* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] I'M ROSS PUMPHREY, CHAIR [CALL TO ORDER ] OF THE AUSTIN ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION. I CALL THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. IT IS MARCH 25TH, 2026. IT IS 6:01 PM WE ARE AT AUSTIN CITY HALL IN THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ROOM. THAT'S ROOM 1, 1 0 1 AT 3 0 1 WEST SECOND STREET, AUSTIN, TEXAS SEVEN EIGHT SEVEN OH ONE. I WILL NOW CALL THE ROLL. COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN. PRESENT. COMMISSIONER LUNDEN. COMMISSIONER LOWE. HERE. COMMISSIONER LAWSON. COMMISSIONER KING HERE. COMMISSIONER KEEL HERE. COMMISSIONER FIGUEROA HERE. VICE CHAIR SHARKEY HERE AND MYSELF. 1, 2, 3. WE HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT. WE HAVE A QUORUM. UH, NO ONE IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY. UH, THE FIRST ITEM [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ] ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, AND WE DO HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS SIGNED UP. UH, CHRIS FLORES. YOU MAY, UH, YOU MAY SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSION MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CHRIS FLORES, RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 10. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT. UH, I'M SPEAKING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE INITIATE A STUDY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S ETHICAL STANDARDS OF CONDUCT FOR EXECUTIVE LEVEL EMPLOYEES. I SUGGEST YOU CRAFT A CODE OF CONDUCT FOR COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR STAFF TO SIGN RETROACTIVE TO JANUARY, 2026. I READ THE CITY MUNICIPAL, UM, CODE TWO DASH SEVEN DASH ONE, ITEMS A, B, AND C. MY PARK ADVOCATE COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE BEEN STUDYING THE PARKS DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS SINCE 20 23, 3 YEARS NOW, INCLUDING HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUESTS AND TWO MINUTE PLEAS TO MEMBERS OF THE PARKS BOARD AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION. WHAT WE SEE ARE BLATANT ABUSES OF ETHICS. UM, WHAT GOOD IS TWO DASH SEVEN DASH ONE IF IT'S NOT ENFORCED? UM, WE HAVE FOUND SYSTEMIC LACK OF FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY AND DISCLOSURE IN THE JOB DESCRIPTION OF THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR AND PARKS DEPARTMENT EXECUTIVES. THE PARKS DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR WITH ZERO GUARDRAILS ALSO HAS SOLE DISCRETION TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS AND DECIDE WHAT ITEMS TO BRING FORWARD FOR PARKS BOARD REVIEW. THE RESULT OF ZERO GUARDRAILS AND UNCHECKED POWER LEADS TO CORRUPTION. THERE'S NO OTHER WORD FOR IT. MY COLLEAGUE, MS. DIANA PROCTOR, HAS SUBMITTED MANY AUDIT REQUESTS TO THE CITY AUDITOR WITH EVIDENCE OF MALFEASANCE BY THE CURRENT AND PREVIOUS PARK DIRECTORS ACTING AS AGENTS FOR PRIVATE FINANCIAL PARK NONPROFITS. INSTEAD OF REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE OF AUSTIN, A COMPLETE, A COMPLETED CITY AUDIT OF THE TRAIL CONSERVANCY. A PRIVATE NONPROFIT IS BEING WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC BY THE PARKS DIRECTOR MONDAY, MARCH 23. PEOPLE OF ALL TYPES SPOKE BEFORE THE PARKS BOARD PLEADING NOT TO BE ALIENATED FROM OUR PARKS BECAUSE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT STAFF HAVE LEASED THE PARKLANDS TO PRIVATE ORGANIZATIONS. THESE ORGANIZATIONS RANGE FROM SMALL SPORTS LEAGUES TO MA MULTIMILLION DOLLAR BUSINESSES AND ALL ARE PROFITING FROM PUBLIC LAND USE AND CHARGING THE PUBLIC TO ACCESS OUR OWN LAND. I SUGGEST YOU STREAM THE MARCH 23 PARKS BOARD MEETING AND HEAR THE PUBLIC'S CONCERNS FOR YOURSELF. WE URGENTLY NEED YOUR NEUTRAL HELP AND EXPERTISE. THANK YOU. THIS IS, LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET, LET'S GET THAT BITE ON. THIS IS NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED, BUT I WOULD PERSONALLY SAY, COULD YOU SUBMIT A WRITTEN VERSION OF THAT TO US? YES. IS THAT POSSIBLE? YES, I WILL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOR US TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT THAT WOULD BE EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS A COMPLAINT. AND WE DO NOT YET SEE THE COMPLAINANT HERE, SO I WILL, WITHOUT OBJECTION, I WILL LAY THAT ON THE TABLE, THAT AGENDA ITEM, PUT IT OFF TILL LATER, AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF OUR OTHER BUSINESS. [00:05:06] UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA [3. Approve the minutes of the Ethics Review Commission Regular Called meeting on February 25, 2025. ] IS WITH REGARD TO THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 25TH MEETING. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THEM. I HAVE REVIEWED THEM. UH, I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE OR TWO TO LOOK THEM OVER. IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD TIME YET. THEY APPEARED TO BE FINE TO ME. THERE WERE TWO OR THREE MOTIONS ON WHICH THE VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS. UM, BUT PLEASE LET ME KNOW, UM, IN A MINUTE OR TWO THAT YOU'RE, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS. RESPECTFULLY CHAIR, IF I MAY, THIS IS CAROLINE WEBSTER WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT. YOU HAD, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD TABLED THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH WAS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND THE SECOND ITEM IS ACTUALLY THE, THE PRELIMINARY HEARING ITSELF. SO I JUST THANK, DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO, THAT YOU'RE, WE ARE, WE ARE TABLING BOTH THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THE, AND THE HEARING ITSELF TO SEE IF THE COMPLAINANT, UH, SHOWS UP. UH, BEFORE WE'RE FINISHED. THANK YOU. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. SECOND, WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KEEL AND A SECOND BY VICE CHAIR SHARKEY TO APPROVE THE MINUTES. IS THERE ANY DEBATE? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S TAKE THE VOTE. I'LL CALL THE QUESTION ON APPROVING THE MINUTES OF FEB. OH, COMMISSIONER LOW. OH, OH, . I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO TAKE A HALF. I KNOW YOU'RE JUMPING. YOU'RE, THAT'S FINE. UH, WHY DON'T WE RAISE OUR HANDS ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES. ALL OPPOSED? ALL ABSTENTIONS. SO WE HAVE SIX AND ONE, I BELIEVE THERE. SIX DASH ZERO DASH ONE . THE NEXT ITEM [4. Update from Working Group to Review ERC Complaints Process (Commissioners Low, Figueroa, and McGiverin). ] ON THE AGENDA IS AN UPDATE FROM THE WORKING GROUP TO REVIEW THE ETHICS REVIEW COMMISSION COMPLAINTS PROCESS. THIS WILL COME FROM COMMISSIONER LOWE AND HER COLLEAGUES, COMMISSIONER FIGUEROA AND COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN. AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, AS PART OF THAT, YOU MAY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD PEOPLE TO THE WORKING GROUP. OKAY, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. UH, THE WORKING GROUP MET ON MARCH 6TH. UM, SO PRESENT WERE, UH, COMMISSIONER FIRO, COMMISSIONERS, FIGUEROA AND MCGIVEN AND MYSELF, AND ALSO SOON TO BE COMMISSIONER SLIS, UH, JOINED US FOR DISCUSSION. SO, UM, THEY MAY ALSO WANT TO COMMENT AFTER ME. AND, UM, I ASKED THAT YOU GIVE, UH, COMMISSIONER TO BE SICE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AS WELL. SHE'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE. UM, BASICALLY WE WERE KIND OF BRAINSTORMING, BUT, UH, WE DETERMINED THAT THE TWO MAJOR PRIORITIES WOULD BE, UM, A FRAMEWORK, DEVELOPING A FRAMEWORK FOR, UM, COMMISSION INITIATED COMPLAINTS, WHICH THIS COMMISSION HAS ALWAYS HAD THE AUTHORITY TO DO, BUT, UM, HAS NOT EXERCISED THAT POWER. UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, WE DISCUSSED WAYS TO EXPEDITE THE ENTIRE COMPLAINTS PROCESS, UM, AND HOPEFULLY FIND WAYS TO EXPEDITE BY, UM, WELL, PERHAPS BY PEOPLE WAIVING CERTAIN RIGHTS OR CERTAIN PROCEDURAL, UM, MATTERS. UM, IT MAY INVOLVE, UH, REQUESTING CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE CERTAIN ACTION. IT MAY REQUIRE CHANGING OUR BYLAWS AND OR OUR OPERATING RULES OR NOT. SO WE HAVE THEM ALL ON THE TABLE. AND, UM, AS SUCH, UH, THERE ARE THREE OF US ON THE WORKING GROUP. WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD COMMISSIONER SOLIS IF WE CAN DO THAT NOW. AND SHE WILL BECOME OFFICIAL AT THE MOMENT SHE QUALIFIES OR HOWEVER WE CAN DO THAT. UM, AND BEYOND THAT, I DEFERRED MY COLLEAGUES IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY WANNA ADD. , CHAIR HUMPHREY, CAN YOU, OH, SORRY. CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON, PLEASE? YEAH, I GOTTA GET IN THAT HABIT. UM, ON THE QUESTION OF, WE PROBABLY CANNOT ADD A COMMISSIONER WHO'S NOT FULLY, UH, QUALIFIED IS PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD, UH, TO BE COMMISSIONER. UH, BUT WE CERTAINLY RECOGNIZE THAT, THAT THE WORKING GROUP IS FREE TO INVOLVE ANY CITIZENS IN ITS DELIBERATIONS. MM-HMM . AND SO WOULD IT BE OKAY IF WE THEN PUT OFF A FORMAL APPOINTMENT OF THAT PERSON AS A COMMISSIONER UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? UH, THAT'S FINE WITH ME. MAYBE MY COLLEAGUES WANNA COMMENT AND IF WE GIVE, UH, SOON TO BE COMMISSIONER ALI, AN OPPORTUNITY TO [00:10:01] SPEAK ALSO, I, UH, COMMISSIONER FIGUEROA. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, FIRST I JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK COMMISSIONER LOWE FOR HER LEADERSHIP AND GETTING THIS TOGETHER. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT HAS TRANSCENDED MULTIPLE COMMISSION MEMBERS, UM, AND OVER TIME, SO, UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LOWE FOR GETTING THE BALL ROLLING. I THINK JUST IN TERMS OF BACKGROUND, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CONCERNED AS THEY GO THROUGH THE COMPLAINT PROCESS THAT THERE ISN'T, UM, A WAY TO EFFECTUATE CHANGE, UM, IN A, IN A WAY THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. AND THERE'S ALSO THE PROBLEM OF INCONSISTENT ENFORCEMENT AMONG DIFFERENT, UM, COMPLAINANTS. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE PROCEDURAL IN NATURE AND MANY TIMES THOSE PROCEDURAL, UM, MISTAKES ARE ACROSS THE BOARD. AND IT SEEMS TO BE KIND OF ARBITRARY THAT ONE MEMBER GETS, UM, YOU KNOW, REBOOTED IN SOME WAY, EITHER WITH A LETTER OR WITH A, WITH A STATEMENT AND OTHERS DON'T. UM, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE CREATIVE AND THINK OF WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, UM, IN A WAY THAT'S FAIR AND THAT IT'S, UM, CONSISTENT, UM, WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THERE MAY BE SOME, UM, BYLAWS AND, AND OTHER LAWS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO TAKE UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, SO TO SPEAK. SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LOWE, AND, UM, I'M EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCGIRN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? DITTO. OKAY. . AND, UH, I WILL INVITE THE, UH, COMMISSIONER TO BE ESE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. CHAIR. I APOLOGIZE AGAIN FOR INTERRUPTING IF I MAY. UM, SO THE ITEM THAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY DEALING WITH IS ITEM FOUR, THE WORKING GROUP UPDATE. SO I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULD CONCLUDE THAT BEFORE YOU [5. Change in membership to the Working Group to Review ERC Complaints Process (Commissioners Low, Figueroa, and McGiverin). ] GET TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE CHANGE IN THE MEMBERSHIP TO THE WORKING GROUP. UH, I I WASN'T SEEING THIS AS A CHANGE IN THE MEMBERSHIP. I WAS JUST SEEING, SEEING THIS AS SOMEONE ON THE WORKING GROUP BEING ALLOWED TO MAKE BRIEF COMMENTS. OKAY. IS THAT OKAY? FAIR. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO, UH, AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FIGUEROA FOR EXPLAINING SOME OF THE BACKGROUND AND COMMISSIONER LOW FOR, UM, BRINGING FORTH THIS INITIATIVE THAT I UNDERSTAND HAS SURVIVED SEVERAL, UM, COMMISSIONER APPOINTEES, UM, AND MAYBE EVEN SEVERAL ROUNDS OF COUNCILS . SO, UH, WAY TO PLAY THE LONG GAME. I, I APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS ISSUES WITH THE, JUST AS SOMEBODY WHO'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE 13TH JUROR COMING INTO SOMETHING THAT HAS, THAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF PREVIOUSLY. UM, LIKE SOME OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO STREAMLINE, UM, THIS PROCESS IS TO IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY. I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES IN THE HIGH VOLUME TIMES, THESE MEETINGS WILL GO UNTIL MIDNIGHT HAVE TO STOP AND THEN START BACK UP AT ONE O'CLOCK AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, 1201. AND IF WE ARE TRYING TO BE A TRANSPARENT ORGANIZATION, ORGANIZATION THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, TAKES THESE ACTIONS IN THE LIGHT, LIKE HOW, HOW GREAT IS TO DO THAT AT ONE 30 IN THE MORNING? ? UM, I WILL NOT BE WATCHING AT THAT TIME. AND SO, UM, UH, ADDITIONALLY THE ABILITY TO, UM, TO HAVE GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY BECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION, IF SOMEBODY, IF THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO MAKE A DECISION, UM, WHO IS WATCHING US AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT COMMISSIONER FIGUEROA BROUGHT UP, THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE ARE KIND OF LIKE LOOKING AT, WANTING TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR BETTER USE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S TIME EFFORTS AND ENERGY. UH, WE HAVE EXPLORED SEVERAL OPTIONS AND, UM, NONE OF THE OPTIONS ARE EXCLUSIVE OR ARE OFF THE TABLE. UM, I THANK YOU SO MUCH TO, UM, ALAN, WHAT IS YOUR OFFICIAL TITLE? LIKE WHAT DO I CALL YOU HERE? ALAN BORQUE. I'M OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO THE ERC. OKAY. THANK YOU TO OUR COUNSEL, MR. QUEZ, UH, FOR CHATTING WITH ME BEFORE. UM, UH, UNFORTUNATELY 'CAUSE I'M NOT OFFICIALLY COMMISSIONED. I, UM, MY EMAIL THAT I SENT HIM AND, UH, DID NOT GET ANSWERED, UH, NEVER WENT OUT. IS LIVING IN THE BLACK VOID OF SPACE. SO, UM, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT LOGISTICALLY AND LEGALLY OF COURSE WITH, YOU KNOW, EITHER THROUGH COUNSEL OR, UM, IN WITHIN OUR OWN BYLAWS, WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE. 'CAUSE WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE AN OFF RAMP FOR SOME OF THESE COMPLAINTS THAT ARE PERHAPS, UM, FIRST TIME OFFENDERS WHO, UM, DON'T MAKE A DOUBLE COPY OF SOMETHING OR DON'T FILE A DOUBLE COPY OF SOMETHING. THIS, THIS SEEMS, YOU KNOW, SMALL. UM, AND, UH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO, [00:15:01] TO OFF RAMP AT THAT POINT. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE I I, I TOLD ELLEN, I WAS LIKE, EVEN EVERY DOG IN THE STATE OF TEXAS GETS A FREE BITE. I THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IF WE, IF IT'S LIKE MY BAD, I MADE A MISTAKE, I'M AWARE OF IT NOW AND I WON'T DO IT AGAIN. UM, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF PROCEDURAL, NO LEG CONTEND, YOU KNOW, UH, OUNCE MUNICIPAL TICKET FEE WINDOW , UM, OFF RAMP FOR THAT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S AN IDEA THAT WE MAY BE DISCUSSING. UM, UH, THE OTHER OPTION IS TO WAIVE SOME OF THE PROCESS THAT PEOPLE MAY BE HAVING. LIKE, WE'RE NOT GONNA I AGREE. LIKE, LET'S NOT HAVE THE PRELIMINARY, LET'S JUST GO STRAIGHT. UM, SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH, UM, WITH COUNSEL TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS LIKE SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE. AND I'M REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK THAT THE CO, THAT THE WORKING GROUP HAS ALREADY PUT IN BECAUSE, UM, ALL I DID WAS TAKE NOTES. UM, NO, THEY, THERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT, UM, AND, AND KIND OF, UM, UH, A LOT OF TIME, ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER LOWE, UM, AND, AND COMMISSIONER FIGUEROA PUTTING INTO LIKE, THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE IDEAS AND HOW WE CAN BETTER USE ALL EVERYBODY'S TIME, ENERGY, AND UM, AND CREATE MORE TRANSPARENCY AND A BETTER PROCESS. SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK MEMBER WITH WORKING EMAIL. YES. THANK YOU. . BEFORE WE GO BACK TO WHAT WAS TABLED EARLIER, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE REQUESTS FOR WHAT CAN BE ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA? UM, COMMISSIONER LOWE? UH, YEAH, MR. CHAIR. UH, AS TO NUMBER FIVE, CAN I JUST FLOAT THE IDEA SINCE I KNOW WE HAVE YET TWO MORE COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE NOT HERE YET. UH, CAN I JUST FLOAT THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD WELCOME THEM TO ALSO JOIN THE WORKING GROUP? YES. UH, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE, UH, I THINK AT LEAST 11 APPOINTED MEMBERS NOW, UH, EVEN THOUGH, UM, UH, ONE OR TWO OF THEM MAY NOT HAVE GONE THROUGH THE FULL TRAINING PROCESS YET. SO IT'LL BE WONDERFUL TO HAVE A FULL COMPLIMENT OF COMMISSIONERS. UM, RIGHT. SO IN, IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THAT WOULD BE [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ] A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? YES. ANY OTHER REQUESTS OR SUGGESTIONS FOR A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY. THE CHAIR NOTES THAT, UM, THE COMPLAINANT THAT FOR THE, FOR THE PRELIMINARY HEARING WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TODAY HAS NOT APPEARED. UM, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO FIND NO REASONABLE GROUNDS TO PROCEED TO A FINAL HEARING. SO MOVED, MOVED BY VICE CHAIR SHARKEY. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER KEO. ANY DISCUSSION? WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR OF FINDING NO REASONABLE GROUNDS TO PROCEED TO A NO REASONABLE GROUNDS TO PROCEED TO A FINAL HEARING. MAY, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES. WHILE WE'RE STILL IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE, IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM THE COMPLAINT THAT THE COMPLAINANT DIDN'T APPEAR ON AT THE, OUR LAST MEETING? THIS IS A DIFFERENT COMPLAIN. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT COMPLAINTS, CORRECT? YES. THIS IS DIFFERENT. OKAY. IS, IS THERE ANY KIND OF MECHANISM LIKE WE DO IN THE CIVIL COURT SYSTEM FOR VEXATIOUS LITIGANTS? UH, IT, IT SEEMS A TERRIBLE WASTE OF CITY RESOURCES TO PAY OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE HERE, STAFF AND THE TIME OF THIS COMMISSION FOR THIS SORT OF THING. UH, UNFORTUNATELY IT'S CAROLINE WEBSTER LAW DEPARTMENT. WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR DISCUSSION ON THAT, BUT I, UH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD GO ON A FURTHER AGENDA. BUT JUST TO ANSWER FACTUALLY, CURRENTLY NO, THERE IS NOTHING CITY CODE THAT ADDRESSES THAT. THANK YOU. UH, SO THE VOTE, YOUR QUESTION IS CALLED ON, UM, FINDING NO REASONABLE GROUNDS THAT A VIOLATION OCCURRED AND THEREFORE NO FINAL HEARING. ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED, ALL ABSTAINING. UH, THE VOTE WAS UNANIMOUS UNLESS I HAVE FORGOTTEN SOMETHING. I BELIEVE THAT I COULD SAY THAT. UH, WITHOUT ANY OBJECTIONS. WE WILL ADJOURN ANY OBJECTIONS. WE ARE ADJOURNING AT SIX 20. THANK YOU EVERYONE. WELL DONE . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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