Apr 13, 2026 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force

NOW WE'LL MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.

[PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ]

WE WILL START WITH OUR REMOTE SPEAKERS.

FIRST UP, WE HAVE, UH, KATINA HARRIS.

HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM.

HELLO, MY NAME IS KATINA HARRIS, AND I LIVE IN THE GARRISON PARK NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MY HUSBAND AND TWO YOUNG CHILDREN.

OVER THE PAST YEAR, I'VE ALSO HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF CO ADOPTING GARRISON PARK THROUGH THE AUSTIN PARKS FOUNDATION.

MY FAMILY REGULARLY USES THE POOL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE FEW AFFORDABLE AND ACCESSIBLE OUTDOOR SPACES IN OUR AREA WHERE FAMILIES CAN GATHER, STAY ACTIVE, AND FIND RELIEF.

DURING AUSTIN'S INCREASINGLY INTENSE SUMMERS, I AM HOPING TO URGE YOU TO INCLUDE FUNDING FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF GARRISON POOL IN THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED THIS POOL AS END, END OF LIFE FACILITY.

AND WITHOUT REINVESTMENT, ITS CLOSURES BECOMING INCREASINGLY LIKELY LOSING.

IT WOULD MEAN LOSING A VITAL COMMUNITY RESOURCE THAT SUPPORTS PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE.

FOR MANY SOUTH AUSTIN RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY FAMILIES WITH, WITH CHILDREN, THIS POOL IS MORE THAN A RECREATIONAL AMENITY.

IT IS ESSENTIAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT PROVIDES SAFE AND AFFORDABLE RELIEF FROM EXTREME HEAT FUNDING.

THIS PROJECT IS ALSO A MATTER OF EQUITY.

AS SOUTH AUSTIN HAS HISTORICALLY FACED DISPARITIES AND ACCESS TO UPDATED RECREATIONAL FACILITIES.

REPLACING THE POOL WOULD ENSURE COMMUNITIES NOT LEFT BEHIND AND CONTINUES TO HAVE ACCESS TO SAFE, MODERN SPACES.

THERE IS STRONG AND GROWING COMMUNITY SUPPORT FOR THIS EFFORT, AND ACTING NOW IS THE MOST RESPONSIBLE CHOICE TO AVOID HIGHER COST AND GREATER DISRUPTION.

LATER.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO PRIORITIZE FUNDING FOR GARRISON POOL SO WE CAN CONTINUE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

MORNING.

FOREVER, UNTIL THE NEXT BOND FUNDING ROUND COMES AROUND.

NEXT WE HAVE JOHN HARRIS REMOTE.

UH, YES.

HI.

GOOD EVENING.

CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME OKAY? YES.

I LIVE AT 2100 LEEWOOD CIRCLE, UH, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST ACROSS THE STREET, UH, JUST ACROSS MANCHAC ROAD FROM GARRISON PARK.

AND I TO AM HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL ABOUT GARRISON PARK POOL.

UM, I I CAME AND VISITED, UH, LAST MONTH'S MEETING, UM, AND MADE SOME COMMENTS.

I'M REALLY TONIGHT JUST WANNA SERVE THIS AS A REMINDER THAT, UH, WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS POOL AND THIS RESOURCE THAT IT IS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TO OUR DISTRICT.

GARRISON PARK POOL IS A DISTRICT POOL, SO IT DOESN'T JUST SERVE OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY AROUND THE PARK, BUT IT IS ONE OF THE FEW DISTRICT POOLS SOUTH OF TWO 90.

BEN WHITE, UH, AND, UH, IS REALLY A VALUABLE RESOURCE.

UM, THE URGENCY IS THAT IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING WITH THIS TASK FORCE, YOU KNOW, UH, ASSIGNING SOME FUNDS TO REPLACING THIS POOL, UH, IN THIS ROUND, WE'RE WORRIED THAT WE'RE GONNA LOSE THIS POOL, UH, FOR SEVERAL YEARS, IF NOT

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UM, IT'S BEEN, UH, SOMETHING NEARING THE END OF ITS LIFE FOR, UH, FOR A WHILE NOW.

UH, I, I THINK IT FIRST HIT AGENDAS IN THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS IN 2017 WHEN IT WAS IDENTIFIED AS, AS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED.

UH, WE'RE NOW AT IN THE 11TH HOUR, AND IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, WE ARE GONNA LOSE THAT RESOURCE.

UH, PROBABLY NOT THIS YEAR, BUT SOMETIME IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO KEEP UP WITH IT AND KEEP IT, KEEP IT RUNNING IN ITS CURRENT CONDITION.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE PARKS DEPARTMENT WOULD DO AN AMAZING JOB IF IT'S GOT TO THE NEXT PHASES OF REALLY IDENTIFYING WHAT THE NEEDS ARE OF THE COMMUNITY TO TURN IT INTO A POOL THAT, UH, IS UPDATED.

AND, UM, JUST REALLY AN EFFICIENT USE OF FUNDS.

IF IT'S JUST REPLACED AS IS, THAT WOULD BE AMAZING.

IF IT'S TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT ENABLES PEOPLE TO COOL OFF AND ENJOY THE OUTDOORS AND BRING THEIR KIDS, THAT'S ALSO GREAT.

UH, SO AGAIN, JUST WANT TO ASK YOU ALL TO PLEASE KEEP THIS AT THE TOP OF YOUR MINDS AS YOU, UH, GET NEAR TO MAKING YOUR DECISION.

OUR NEXT REMOTE SPEAKER IS REBECCA ADELSON.

HI, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, SO, HI, I'M REBECCA ADELSON.

I ALSO LIVE ON LEEWOOD.

WE'VE GOT A LITTLE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD GANG HAPPENING ON THE CALL RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND I WROTE OUT A WHOLE LONG THING, BUT KA AND JOHN SPOKE TO A LOT OF THE POINTS THAT I HAVE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD IN A COUPLE OF THINGS.

BUT I ALSO AM CALLING IN TODAY ON BEHALF OF GARRISON PARK TOOL.

AND, UM, WE RECENTLY MET WITH ONE OF OUR COUNCILMEN AND JUST WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE NEED TO REALLY DRIVE HOME THAT WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR THE DESIRED $30 MILLION THAT SHOULD BE ALLOCATED FOR THE RENOVATIONS OF THIS POOL.

AGAIN, AS A PART OF THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE.

UM, AS THE OTHERS BEFORE ME SPOKE, THIS POOL IS A STAPLE OF OUR AUSTIN LIVING EXPERIENCE.

UM, IT'S WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF OUR HOUSE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT I HAVE OTHER FRIENDS THAT LIVE IN NORTH AUSTIN AND EAST AUSTIN THAT COME FROM ALL OVER THE CITY TO COME TO THIS POOL BECAUSE OF THE CONVENIENCE THAT IT PROVIDES.

NOW, AS A MOM OF TWO SMALL CHILDREN, I TOTALLY AGREE THAT IT NEEDS SOME WORK.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'D SAY THAT IT'S COMPLETELY AT ITS END OF LIFE, BUT FOR THESE PURPOSES, UM, IT NEEDS RENOVATIONS.

UM, WITH THIS POOL, UH, WE WOULD, AGAIN, WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT ON, ON THE BOND PACKAGE.

UH, WE ARE BIG POOL PEOPLE IN GENERAL.

WE LOVE DEEP EDDY, WE LOVE BARTON SPRINGS, BUT NAVIGATING THOSE PLACES ON A SATURDAY WITH LITTLE KIDS AND GEAR AND THE PARKING CHALLENGES THAT ARE ALWAYS FACED IS NOT PRACTICAL.

GARRISON IS AMAZING BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE ISSUES COME INTO PLAY, AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE GARRISON HAS A LOT OF UNTAPPED POTENTIAL.

IT HAS, UH, A UNIQUE POSITION TO SERVE FAMILIES, AND THAT IT IS A HUGE POOL.

THE SPACE AROUND IT IS ALSO EXTENSIVE, AND THERE IS AMPLE PARKING, WHICH IS KEY.

UH, THERE'S, CROCKETT HIGH SCHOOL IS RIGHT NEXT TO IT, SO IN THE SUMMER MONTH, THE PARKING LOTS THAT ARE THERE ARE COMPLETELY EMPTY.

SO WE'RE REALLY WORKING WITH UNTAPPED POTENTIAL AND WITH THE RIGHT INVESTMENT, I THINK THAT IT COULD BE A GO-TO DESTINATION FOR FAMILIES ALL ACROSS SOUTH AUSTIN.

UH, SO THAT'S JUST ON A PRACTICAL LEVEL OF WHY I THINK THAT THIS, UH, CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE HEARD.

AND THEN JUST ON A MORE SENTIMENTAL NOTE, MY THREE AND A HALF YEAR OLD LEARNED TO SWIM AT GARRISON, AND AT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST WEEK, I LEARNED THAT ONE OF MY 60-YEAR-OLD NEIGHBORS ALSO LEARNED TO SWIM AT GARRISON PARK, WHICH I THINK IS INCREDIBLY SPECIAL AND REALLY HELPS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND MAKE IT STRONGER.

IF WE LET GARRISON FALL TO THE WAYSIDE, WE'RE LOSING SO MUCH OF THAT COMMUNITY MAGIC.

UM, THIS POOL IS JUST WOVEN REALLY DEEPLY INTO THE FABRIC OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I CANNOT STRESS HOW MUCH IT DESERVES SOME TLC FROM THE CITY.

UM, SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETING PRIORITIES AT PLAY, BUT THANK YOU, MS. ADELSON.

HOPE YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED.

YES, THANK YOU.

OH, OKAY.

THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH.

OKAY, NEXT REMOTE SPEAKER WE HAVE IS PAMELA VANCE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, MA'AM.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE B TEST MEMBERS FOR THEIR HARD

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WORK.

I KNOW YOU GUYS, UM, AND LADIES, UH, SPEND AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS, AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED.

SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM AND ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, UM, OF THE CARVER MUSEUM IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UH, I DO WANNA MENTION THAT, UH, THE CARVER MUSEUM, WELL, THE AMBASSADORS HAVE PARTNERSHIPS AND COLLABORATIONS WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE TEXAS MUSIC MUSEUM ON 11TH STREET.

AND WE'VE COLLABORATED ON EVENTS THAT HAVE USED THE MUSEUM, UH, IN THE PAST.

THE EXPANSION THAT'S BEING REQUESTED WILL DO A LOT TO HELP MAKE THESE EVENTS MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL.

AND, UM, JUST HOPING THAT YOU WILL DEFINITELY CONSIDER ADDING THE CARVER MUSEUM IN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT WE HAVE DAVID FEATHERSTON.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

I'D LIKE TO THANK THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE FOR ALLOWING ME TO, UH, TO SPEAK THIS AFTERNOON OR THIS EVENING.

MY NAME IS DAVID FEATHERSTON AND I'M PRESIDENT OF THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER MUSEUM AMBASSADORS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE EXPANSION OF THE CARVER MUSEUM BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE 20 20 20 26 BOND PACKAGE.

THE CARVER MUSEUM IS VITAL TO EAST AUSTIN AND THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

THE CARVER MUSEUM AMBASSADORS HAVE BEEN A SUPPORT ORGANIZATION FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

WE RAISED MONEY FOR THE CARVER AND WE DONATE ART AND WE COLLABORATE WITH THE MUSEUM ON NUMEROUS SPECIAL EVENTS.

BUT JUST THIS PAST, UH, EASTER, WE HAD AN EASTER EGG HUNT AND EXTRAVAGANZA FOR OVER 200 KIDS AND THEIR FAMILIES ATTENDED.

WE FED THEM.

WE HAD A LIVE DJ.

WE HAVE LIVE, LIVE A LIVE DRUM, UH, DRUM GROUP THAT, UH, THAT, THAT ENTERTAINED EVERYBODY.

AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A VERY FIFTH OF EVENT, UM, THAT EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY LOOKED FOR, LOOKED FORWARD TO.

UH, WE ALSO HAVE A, UH, WE COLLABORATE ON A PUMPKIN PUMPKIN CARVER EVENT THAT INCLUDES HALLOWEEN COSTUMES AND, AND PUMPKIN, UM, UH, AND JACK LANTER PUMPKINS, UM, CONTEST IN, UH, DECEMBER, WE HOST THE SILVERBELL SOCIAL FOR THE SENIOR CITIZENS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S, UH, THAT HEADLINES, UH, JAZZ SINGER PAMELA HART.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A, A, UH, SANTA SPECIAL WHERE WE HAVE A BLACK SANTA CLAUS COME AND TAKE PICTURES WITH THE, WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CHILDREN.

SO EXPANSION OF, OF THE CARVER WOULD, WOULD ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE TYPE OF EVENTS AND TO EXPAND ON, ON, ON THOSE, THOSE EVENTS.

RIGHT NOW, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, THE CARVER MUSEUM IS DOING A GOOD JOB OF THEIR STRETCH, STRETCH TO THEIR CAPACITY.

AND, AND THEY REALLY COULD, COULD USE THE EXTRA SPACE AND THE FUNDS TO, UH, TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW US TO, UM, TO OPERATIONS.

SO ONCE AGAIN, IT'S VITAL THAT THE CARBON MUSEUM BE INCLUDED IN THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE TO BE A FOURTH AND A RESOURCE IN THE EAST, IN THE EAST AUSTIN AND THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME, UH, TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS EVENING.

OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, NAOMI LACRO.

NAOMI .

UM, OH, HI.

HOW ARE YOU GUYS? UM, MY NAME'S NAOMI.

I LIVE IN THE GARRISON PARK AREA AS WELL ON CANON WOOD.

UM, I HAVE A HOME DAYCARE HERE.

UM, AND EVEN BEFORE I MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULD VISIT THE GARRISON PARK POOL ALL THE TIME.

UM, SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING OF SUPPORT FOR THE POOL.

UM, AS A HOME DAYCARE PROVIDER, IT'S THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE KIDS' DAY WHEN WE GO TO THAT POOL.

UM, BUT I KNOW IT NOT ONLY SERVES THE NEEDS OF, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, UM, BUT ALSO THE GREATER AREA AS WELL.

UM, FOR A LOT OF FAMILIES IT'S THOSE WITHOUT ACCESS TO PRIVATE POOLS OR CAMPS.

UM, IT'S SUPER IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT POOL IN OUR AREA.

UM, SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PRIORITIES, UM, AND I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER GIVING FUNDING TO THE POOL.

OKAY, NEXT WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS.

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AND FIRST WE HAVE AMANI ANNU, YOU CAN COME UP HERE.

HMM.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

I, AND I WANT, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE TIME.

CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON PLEASE? THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS IMANI ANU, AND I WANT TO ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO HAVE TIME TO BE BEFORE YOU AND TO ADVOCATE FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM'S INCLUSION IN THE 2026 BOND.

UH, THAT IS, UH, HOPEFULLY COMING UP.

I ALSO WANNA THANK THIS TASK FORCE.

I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU ON A COUPLE OF OTHER MEETINGS, AND I SEE THE HARD WORK, ALL OF THE LABOR, AND I HEAR ALLUDED TO ALL OF THE EXTRA WORK THAT YOU PUT IN, EVEN ASIDE FROM THESE MEETINGS.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND FOR ENABLING COMMUNITY MEMBERS LIKE ME TO COME AND SHARE WITH YOU OUR, UM, PERSPECTIVES ABOUT WHY WE LIKE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON CERTAIN PROJECTS.

AND SO ABOUT THE CARVER THIS TIME IN SPEAKING WITH YOU, I THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THE CARVER JUST IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE STATISTICS JUST IN CASE THERE ARE MEMBERS, UH, HERE ON THE TASK FORCE OR IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH THE CARVER MUSEUM AND CULTURAL CENTER.

UM, JUST IN THINKING OF, IN BROAD TERMS, IN A RECENT FISCAL YEAR, TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A SENSE FOR THE SCALE AND THE SCOPE OF THE CARVER, ALMOST 73,000 COMMUNITY MEMBERS ATTENDED THE VARIOUS EVENTS THAT THE CARVER PUT ON.

AND THERE WERE AN EXCESS OF 144 DIFFERENT TYPES OF CULTURAL EVENTS, UH, THAT AMOUNTS TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS OF ARTS AND CULTURAL PROGRAMMING.

SO THIS IS TO, UH, SIMPLY SAY THAT THE CARVER IS NOT A NICHE ORGANIZATION.

IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INSTITUTION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS DOING A LOT TO BRING ARTS, CULTURE, HISTORY AND AWARENESS TO EVERYBODY WITHIN THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY.

UH, IT'S A POWERFUL PLATFORM FOR ARTISTS, CREATIVES, AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS.

AS YOU'VE HEARD PAM AND DAVID MENTION, UH, THERE WERE ABOUT 470 CREATIVES WHO HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOWCASE THEIR WORK AND CREATIVITY AT THE CARVER.

AND THERE ARE STRONG PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS TO NAME A FEW THAT YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH.

FUSEBOX FESTIVAL, TORCH LITERARY ARTS, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN BOOK FESTIVAL.

YOU MAY ALSO BE AWARE THAT THE CARVER HAS PROVIDED SPACE AND SUPPORT FOR THE MEXICAN AMERICAN CULTURAL CENTER DURING THEIR LONG EXPANSION AND, UM, CONSTRUCTION PROCESS.

THE PRINCE HALL MASONS ARE ALSO A PARTNER RECLAIM ORGANIZATION.

SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT RELY ON THIS FACILITY TO BE AVAILABLE AND TO, UH, PROVIDE THEIR PROGRAMMING TO THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY, TO THE CONSTITUENTS.

AND AS AUSTIN CONTINUES TO GROW, WE ALSO AM HOPING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO HELP THE CARVER TO GROW.

SO WE'LL HAVE EVEN MORE SPACE FOR ALL OF THESE AWESOME PROGRAMS. UH, CARVER IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT DELIVERS A SIGNATURE EVENT FOR THE OVERALL AUSTIN COMMUNITY, THE JUNETEENTH FESTIVAL BLACK HISTORY MONTH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE CONSIDER THE CARVER .

OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE HENRY.

I DON'T WANNA, HELLO, MY NAME IS HENRY ANTHONY DUCHE.

I'M PART OF THE UNITED WORKERS OF INTEGRAL CARE.

UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

UM, I'M, UH, HERE TO, UH, STATE PLAINLY THAT THE, UM, HOUSING BOND SHOULD CONSIDER, UM, ADDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO ITS, UH, PACKAGE.

UM, THIS GOES BEYOND HOMELESSNESS SERVICES, UM, OF WHICH I, UM, DIRECTLY INTERACT WITH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS AS PART OF AN ASSERTIVE COMMUNITY TREATMENT TEAM.

UM, THE REASON THAT I BELIEVE, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS SO IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE I SEE SO MANY PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THE SYSTEM WITH NO, UM, EXIT STRATEGY.

UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS, UM, UH, RIGHT NOW A SURPLUS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

YET THESE ARE ONLY IN THE, UM, AT LEAST PRIMARILY IN THE 50 TO 80%

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OF MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME BRACKET.

UM, ROUGHLY THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME IN AUSTIN AT THIS TIME IS ROUGHLY $75,000.

UM, THIS MEANS THAT, UM, PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING, UM, THE MINIMUM WAGE OR LESS, UM, WHICH IS MANY OF MY, UM, CLIENTS WHO MAKE, UH, EITHER SOCIAL SECURITY, UM, OR HAVE NO INCOME AT ALL, UM, MEANS THEY HAVE NO ACCESSIBILITY TO HOUSING.

UM, ONE OF THE, UH, THE LAST YEAR OF ECHO, UM, THE, UH, HOMELESSNESS, UH, COALITION, UM, RECOMMENDED THAT A CHANGE IN SERVICE, UH, DELIVERY WOULD GO FROM A LARGE FUNNEL WHERE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO SERVICES AND THE GETTING CASE MANAGEMENT, UM, CONNECTING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS AND THEN GOING TO A SMALL, UM, AMOUNT OF HOUSING.

WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO IS CHANGE THIS WHERE PEOPLE WHO ARE BECOMING HOMELESS, UM, OR ARE, UM, MOVING TO AUSTIN, ARE ENGAGING WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF SERVICES AND ARE ABLE TO GET TO, UM, HOUSING AS A LARGE, UH, SURPLUS, UM, OR A LARGE SUPPLY OF HOUSING AS THE PRIMARY, UH, PRIMARY SOURCE OF, UM, COMBATING HOMELESSNESS.

THIS IS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE SO MANY, UM, PEOPLE IN AUSTIN ARE GETTING PUSHED OUT, UM, DUE TO, UH, CONTINUING HOUSING SUPPLY, UM, OR JUST THE AFFORDABILITY OF, UM, RENT AND PROPERTY TAXES AS THE, UM, CITY CONTINUES TO GROW, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT, UM, WE NEED TO CONSIDER ALL THE PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, NOT JUST THE HOUSING DEVELOPERS THAT WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN INCREASE IN, UM, CERTAIN KINDS OF HOUSING.

UH, THERE'S ALSO BEEN SHOWN THAT, UM, PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, UM, OFTEN KNOWN AS SOMETIMES AS HOUSING VOUCHERS OR SECTION EIGHT HAS A POSITIVE, UM, DOLLAR RETURN, UM, BY HAVING PEOPLE WHO OFTEN TIMES ARE ENGAGED WITH HOMELESSNESS SERVICES AND CRISIS SERVICES SEE A REDUCTION IN THAT.

UM, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS WITH MY CLIENTS.

SO MANY PEOPLE, UM, ARE ARE COMING IN WITH, UH, NO REAL, UH, PLANT.

THEY NEED HOUSING.

THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

HAVE A GOOD ONE.

OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE SYNOVIA JOSEPH.

THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.

I HAVE A TECHNICAL QUESTION.

IS THIS ACTION ARE YOUR DISCUSSION ON ITEM THREE OR PUBLIC COMMENT? WE ARE CURRENTLY IN PUBLIC COMMENT.

MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, I'M OPIA JOSEPH.

MY COMMENTS ARE RELATED TO ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON YOUR AGENDA.

SPECIFICALLY.

AS I ALWAYS TESTIFY, MY COMMENTS ARE IN THE CONTEXT OF TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, WHICH PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN.

I WANNA CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION NORTH LAMAR AND YEAGER AND THE DECADES OF NEGLECT.

I WANNA REMIND YOU OF THE IMAM ISLAM MOSSAD WHO WAS KILLED AT YEAGER AND NORTH LAMAR.

1, 2, 3 0 0 IS THE BLOCK IN FRONT OF NOT YOUR ORDINARY SCHOOL.

YOU'LL SEE DONALD NORTON WAS KILLED THERE IN 2016.

SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER INFRASTRUCTURE, I JUST WANT YOU TO KEEP THIS IN MIND AND YOU'LL SEE THE LADY ON HER WAY TO THE MIDBLOCK STOP, WHICH DOTTIE WATKINS REFUSES TO CLOSE.

AND ON THE LEFT IS A HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

PROPERTY.

ON THE RIGHT IS A METROPOLITAN PARK.

I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE A COMPARISON.

THIS IS AIRPORT BOULEVARD.

THE TERRACOTTA SIDEWALKS LOOK LIKE CLAY.

IT ADDS ABOUT 10% TO EACH PROJECT ACCORDING TO THE ENGINEER.

UH, WILKES IS HIS NAME, NATHAN WILKES.

I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE DRAINAGE AREA ON THE RIGHT SIDE AT THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S NORTH LAMAR.

AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER ON AUGUST 5TH ACTUALLY RODE THE BUS AND DID A RECON WITH ME.

BUT STILL, BURNETT ROAD BEAUTIFICATION HAS BEEN PRIORITIZED.

AT THE TOP, YOU'LL SEE THE DRUG OVERDOSE.

I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT IN 2016, CAPITAL METRO INVESTED ABOUT $9.9 MILLION.

IN THE SOUTHWEST CENTRAL NETWORK, YOU'LL SEE IT'S INFREQUENT, UNRELIABLE, DISCONNECTED NORTHEAST OF US 180 3.

AND I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT SINCE I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU LAST, EVEN THE SOCIAL SERVICES HAVE MOVED FROM WALNUT CREEK TO TERRAZAS.

THEREFORE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN NEED TO GET SERVICES NORTHEAST OF US.

180 3.

I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT VOTERS APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH VOTERS

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ON AUGUST 18TH, 2016.

NORTH LAMAR WAS NUMBER ONE.

BERNARD ROAD AND NORTH LAMAR ARE BOTH TXDOT RIGHT AWAY.

HOWEVER, YOU'LL RECOGNIZE THAT ERIC BAILEY HAS CONTINUED TO USE THE BOND MONEY LIKE A BLANK CHECK.

THAT WAS THE $720 MILLION BOND BACK ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2016.

YOU'LL RECOGNIZE THAT AIRPORT BOULEVARD AND BURNETT ROAD WERE AFTER NORTH LAMAR, BUT THE FUNDS WERE USED THERE.

YOU'LL SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE IN THE DITCH IN ORDER TO PUSH THE BUTTON AT YEAGER AND NORTH LAMAR.

IT IS NOT A DA COMPLIANT.

I'VE WRITTEN TO THE INSPECTOR GENERAL AT THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND ASK THEM TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS ISSUE.

I WANT YOU TO ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THE WALK BIKE ROAD, AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN ON PAGE 37, ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE THE NORTH LAMAR DISINVESTMENT.

I WILL LASTLY ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE THE SLIDE RIGHT HERE IN.

UM, I JUST WANNA ASK THAT HAYDEN WALKER ACTUALLY RECU RECUSE HERSELF WHEN YOU GET TO SIDEWALK ISSUES.

NEXT WE HAVE BARBARA SCOTT, MADAM CHAIR AND TASK FORCE MEMBERS.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE FOR EVERYONE THAT'S SUPPORTING, UH, THE INCLUSION OF A LIBRARY AND PUBLIC HEALTH FACILITY IN THE COLONY PARK LAKESIDE AREA TO STAND UP, UH, THE INCLUSION OF A LIBRARY AND A PUBLIC HEALTH FACILITY.

EACH INCORPORATING CHILDCARE SERVICES AS PART OF THEIR CORE OFFERINGS, WHICH IS FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

STATED COMMITMENTS TO EQUITY INCLUSION AS WELL AS THE COLONY PARK SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES PLAN.

THESE FACILITIES WOULD DIRECTLY ADDRESS LONGSTANDING AND WELL-DOCUMENTED DISPARITIES IN EASTERN TRAVIS COUNTY.

FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS, THE COLONY PARK LAKESIDE AREA HAS EXPERIENCED DISINVESTMENT AND DELAYED FULFILLMENT OF PROMISES TIED TO REDEVELOPMENT AND EQUITY.

THIS COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO BE A FOOD DESERT, A MEDICAL AND HEALTHCARE DESERT, AN AREA WITH INSUFFICIENT ACCESS TO CHILDCARE AND AN AREA LACKING EARLY LITERACY RESOURCES AND YOUTH EDUCATIONAL SUPPORT.

A LIBRARY AND PUBLIC HEALTH FACILITY WOULD SERVE AS CRITICAL ANCHORS TO ADDRESS THESE SYSTEMIC GAPS, PROVIDING EARLY LITERACY, YOUTH EDUCATION, WORKFORCE SUPPORT, PREVENTED PREVENTIVE HEALTHCARE AND CHILDCARE SERVICES IN ONE ACCESSIBLE, TRUSTED LOCATION.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE CITY ALREADY OWNS THE LAND IN THE COLONY PARK LAKESIDE AREA THAT IS ZONED FOR CIVIC USE.

UTILIZING THIS LAND WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE PROJECT COST AND REMOVE A MAJOR BARRIER TO IMPLEMENTATION.

THE OPPORTUNITY EXISTS NOT ONLY TO MEET COMMUNITY NEEDS, BUT TO DO SO EFFICIENTLY AND RESPONSIBLY.

WE ARE ASKING YOU TO HONOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S COMMITMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST FIVE DECADES.

EQUITY AND INCLUSION MUST BE DIS, DIS, DIS, DIS DIS.

IT MUST BE SHOWN THROUGH ACTION.

NOT ONLY POLICY LANGUAGE, THE CONTINUED OMISSION OF ESSENTIAL CIVIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND COLONY PARK LAKESIDE PERPETUATES THE VERY INEQUITIES THE CITY HAS PLEDGED TO DISMANTLE.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE.

WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS.

PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE THIS TO DISENFRANCHISE OUR AREA.

ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

THAT CONCLUDES THEM.

OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM

[1. Approve the minutes of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Regular Called meeting on March 23, 2026.]

UH, THE ITEM IS APPROVED, THE MINUTES OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE REGULAR CALLED MEETING ON MARCH 23RD, 2026.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

SO I MOVED.

WELL SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MINUTES? YES, BEN, ARE YOU WANTING TO DISCUSS THE MINUTES? I WAS SECONDING.

OH, THANK YOU.

HEARING NO DISCUSSION, RAISE YOUR HAND.

EXCUSE ME.

IF YOU APPROVE THE MINUTES, LEAVE THEM UP FOR NICOLE TO COUNT PLEASE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTAINING? THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

RACHEL, ARE YOU GONNA BE VOTING ON THE MINUTES?

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ABSTAINING.

MAKE SURE TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE.

TO ITEM TWO, DISCUSSION OF THE REVISED AND UPDATED WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS.

MOVING ON

[2. Discussion of the revised and updated Working Group recommendations.]

AND I WILL TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO FRANCIS.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I FEEL A LITTLE FAR FROM EVERYONE, BUT, UM, AS WE DISCUSSED LAST MEETING, UM, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF WALK THROUGH THE 20% RECOMMENDATION.

AND SO I HANDED OUT HANDOUTS IN PERSON AND THEN ONLINE, I THINK NICOLE EMAILED, UM, THE PROCESS.

AND SO I'M JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH IT REALLY QUICKLY JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

SO IDEALLY WE'RE GONNA QUICKLY RUN, I'LL RUN THROUGH THE PROJECT PRIORITIES THAT WE PUT FOR THE 20% MOCK PACKAGE.

AND THEN I WAS GOING TO ALLOW THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH B TIF MEMBER IF THEY HAD THOUGHTS TO SHARE FOR TWO TO THREE MINUTES JUST ABOUT THE PACKAGE OVERALL, WHETHER IT'S FOR THE, UM, THE ITEM, THE WORKING GROUPS THAT YOU WERE A PART OF, OR JUST ANY INITIAL THOUGHTS.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA QUICKLY JUST REMIND OURSELVES ABOUT THE SELECTION CRITERIA, WHICH WE AGREED TO AS A GROUP, JUST TO KIND OF GROUND US AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, THINK THROUGH.

AND THEN THE BULK OF OUR, THE REST OF OUR TIME IS REALLY TO TALK THROUGH.

WE'LL DO AN INFORMAL VOTE, NOT AN OFFICIAL VOTE OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THE 20% PACKAGE.

AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF QUESTIONS TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO LEAVE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION.

IF THERE'S ONES WE WANNA MAYBE HOLD TO LATER AND REALLY, UH, DIG INTO SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT, UH, I THINK WE WERE TASKED WITH AND ANYTHING ELSE, UM, WE FIND, UM, IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS.

IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BTF BEFORE WE DIVE IN? AND I'LL TRY TO DO MY BEST, UM, ONCE I CAN YOU LEAVE THIS UP HERE UNTIL I GO THROUGH IT, BUT THEN I THINK I WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE FOLKS ONLINE.

IT'S MY BEST INTENTION TO TRY TO FACILITATE, UM, THE MEETING AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

J HI.

PARKLAND ACQUISITION AT 40 MILLION.

UM, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S POSSIBLE DURING THIS MEETING, BUT COULD WE GET EMAILED TO US THE 15% AND 25% THAT EACH GROUP CAME UP WITH? IT'S WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME TO SEE HOW THE GROUPS PRIORITIZED.

SO ON IN THE MARCH 31ST EMAIL, IT INCLUDED 15, 20 AND 25%.

UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THREE OF THE TASK FORCE WAS I DID NOT RECEIVE AT THAT POINT.

UM, THOSE FROM ANYONE ELSE.

UM, I DO BELIEVE THAT LATER THE FACILITIES AND ASSETS GROUP AND I THINK THAT GOT DISTRIBUTED.

IF IT DIDN'T, WE CAN SEND IT.

OTHERWISE I DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO WE ONLY HAVE 20% FROM WHICH GROUPS? YEAH.

'CAUSE IY YES.

IN TERMS OF FOR, WE HAVE THE 15, 20 AND 25 AND THE, IT WAS SENT OUT ON THE 31ST FROM PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, STORM WATER.

I HAVE IT HERE.

AND FACILITIES AND ASSETS.

I DID NOT GET THAT FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR TRANSPORTATION.

BUT YOU GOT IT FROM TRANSPORTATION NOW.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE STILL DON'T HAVE IT FROM WELL SO, AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING JUST DIDN'T CHANGE FROM OUR ORIGINAL THREE TIERED RECOMMENDATION.

SO THE, THAT WAS, UM, THIS IS THE LOWEST RECOMMENDATION SHOWING ON THE SCREEN NOW, NOT THE MIDDLE ONE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, SO, UM, FOR 20% FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU CAN SEE 105 MILLION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF, OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEN 45 MILLION FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE.

AND THEN UNDER PARKS AND OPEN SPACE 65 MILLION.

AND CORRECT ME IF I SAY ANYTHING WRONG, 65 MILLION FOR BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS.

UH, WITH SPECIFICALLY TO THE CENTRAL MAINTENANCE FACILITY AND THE GIVENS REC SIGNER, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

AND THEN THE AQUATIC PROGRAM AT 20 MILLION.

AND I THINK THAT IS FOCUSED AT GARRISON, BIG STACEY AND CTON.

AND THEN THE PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, UH, TO THE JAMESTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

AND THEN THE RECREATION AND SENIOR CENTER IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, AUGUST GARCIA.

THEN LOOKING AT THE FACILITIES AND ASSETS, WE HAVE THE COLONY PARK PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER, THE NORTHEAST PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER, THE COLONY PARK BRANCH

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LIBRARY, AND THE ANIMAL SERVICE CENTER CAMPUS IMPROVEMENTS FOR TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION.

WE HAVE, OH, I DIDN'T SAY THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY WITH THOSE, I'M SORRY.

UM, FOR THE RECREATION AND SENIOR CENTER IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, THAT WAS 10 MILLION FOR GUS GARCIA.

FOR THE COLONY PARK PUBLIC HEALTH CENTERS, 42 MILLION FOR THE NORTHEAST PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER.

THAT'S 51 MILLION IN THE COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY IS AT 54 MILLION.

UM, WITH A NOTE TO FULLY FUND THIS, THE NUMBER NEEDS TO BE 58.8 MILLION, BUT WE KIND OF LOWER IT JUST FOR THIS DISCUSSION AT THE 20%.

BUT JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE SEES THAT NOTE.

ANIMAL SERVICE CENTER CAMPUS IMPROVEMENTS IS 3 MILLION.

MOVING ON TO TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION.

ONE, ONE POINT ABOUT THAT, FRANCIS IS WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE IF WE COULD BUILD THE LIBRARY AND THE HEALTH CENTER TOGETHER WILL BE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR TRANSPORTATION.

ELECTRIFICATION, LOCAL MOBILITY, NEW SIDEWALKS, THAT'S 65 MILLION.

VISION ZERO PROGRAM, 30 MILLION LOCAL MOBILITY FOR THE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS.

10 MILLION LOCAL MOBILITY URBAN TRAILS, 10 MILLION LOCAL MOBILITY BIKE WEIGHTS PROGRAM, 15, UH, MILLION.

LOCAL MOBILITY TRANSIT ENHANCES PROGRAM, 6 MILLION ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE, 6 MILLION.

AND THEN BRIDGE REHABILITATION AND RECONSTRUCTION RECONSTRUCTION PROGRAM AT 8 MILLION.

AND THEN STORM WATER, WHICH I THINK IS UM, UPDATED TO THIS IS $150,100,000, UH, PER CALCULATIONS.

UM, OPEN ACQUISITION, OPEN SPACE ACQUISITION IS 12 MILLION SMALL SCALE STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE.

ASSET MANAGEMENT IS AT 9 MILLION.

STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AT 14 MILLION.

STORMWATER RESILIENCE PROGRAM AT 3 MILLION.

TANA HILL CREEK BARTHOLOMEW PARK, STORMWATER TREATMENT RETROFIT IS 1.4 MILLION.

WALNUT CREEK NORTH ACRE STORM DRAIN 21,000,200 $50,000.

TANA HILL CREEK, MORRIS WILLIAMS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, 8.5 MILLION FOGGY CREEK KEELAND PARK GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, 1.3 MILLION WALNUT CREEK MCNEIL DRIVE, LOW WATER CROSSING 1.5 COLORADO RIVER CAPEX WATER CONTROL 21,650,000 WILLIAMSON CREEK BRASSY WOOD DRIVE, PHASE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD STORM TRAIN IMPROVEMENTS IS 20 MILLION.

FOGGY CREEK M-L-K-T-O-D, STORMWATER CONVEYANCE IMPROVEMENTS.

PHASE THREE 1.5 MILLION.

AND THEN WALLER CREEK, GUADALUPE STREET, FLOOD RISK PROJECT PHASE ONE THROUGH THREE, WHICH IS 35 MILLION.

ALRIGHT, SO I JUST WANTED TO READ THOSE OUT LOUD FOR THE PUBLIC TO MAKE SURE THEY COULD HEAR.

AND SO AS I MENTIONED, WE WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW EACH BTIF MEMBER TWO TO THREE MINUTE.

YES MARY, TO ANSWER J C'S QUESTION.

WE DO HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION NUMBERS.

THEY WERE INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF OF THE EMAIL ON FRIDAY AND NICOLE IS SENDING THEM, NOW YOU HAVE THE 20%, BUT THIS SPREADSHEET THAT SHOULD HAVE HAD 15, 20, 25 WAS NOT INCLUDED.

ALRIGHT, NOW AFTER READING ALL OF THOSE, WE DID WANNA ALLOW BTF MEMBERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS 20% PACKAGE.

UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DIG IN AND SO ROUGHLY TRY TO STAY IN TWO TO THREE MINUTES.

OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT REALLY TRYING TO CUT PEOPLE OFF, BUT TRY NOT TO BE TOO VERBOSE AND FOR EASE.

I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THOSE ONLINE AND THEN GO TO THOSE IN PERSON IF THAT'S OKAY.

UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO CALL ON IF PEOPLE WANNA VOLUN OR RACHEL, IF YOU WANNA KICK US OFF.

WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS HEARD BEFORE, BUT OUR, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NUMBER IS NOT CORRECT.

THAT'S NOT THE MIDDLE OPTION.

THAT'S OUR LOWEST OPTION.

SO THAT WAS THE 15% NUMBER.

UM, THAT'S IN THERE.

BUT I THINK FOR THE 20% OPTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, I THINK IT HAD TO EQUAL ONE 50.

WE, WE, EACH GROUP, EACH WORKING GROUP WAS TO DO ONE 50, 150 MILLION.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

WELL THEN I'D JUST LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THAT WAS OUR ABSOLUTE FLOOR AND SO THAT'S NOT YES, WE, WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND.

IT'S JUST A STARTING PLACE YEAH.

TO DISCUSS.

SO WHAT WE VOTED TALKED ABOUT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS WAS DOING A 20% OPTIONS FOR THE WORKING GROUPS TO HAVE A STARTING PLACE.

THE IDEA IS THAT WE WANNA GET PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND SO BY NO MEANS ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GONNA DO 20%.

REALLY THIS IS JUST SO WE NEEDED TO PUT STAKES IN THE GROUND, RACHEL, AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS.

SO IT'S NOT SAYING THAT IT CAN'T GO UP OR DOWN, THIS IS JUST WHERE WE'RE STARTING AND WE AGREED AND VOTED TO

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THAT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE, ALRIGHT, WHO LINE WANTS TO SPEAK FIRST ABOUT THE, ANY THOUGHTS? I, I GUESS MY THOUGHTS ARE, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD ALL BE EQUAL.

I THINK A LOT OF THESE BUCKETS HAVE OTHER WAYS OF GETTING FUNDING.

UM, THAT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT SHOULD BE ADJUSTED BY AVAILABILITY OF OTHER TYPES OF FUNDS FOR THE PROJECTS.

UM, COULD YOU DESCRIBE THOUGH, CAN YOU SHARE SOME OF THOSE? BECAUSE I THINK WE WANNA DIG INTO WHAT THAT, WHAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THERE.

WELL, AFTER TALKING TO SOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I WAS TOLD THAT WATERSHED COULD, UM, RECEIVE FUNDING FROM LIKE DEVELOPMENT FEES AND REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE RELYING ENTIRELY ON BONDS FOR THESE PROJECTS.

UM, I'M NOT SURE WHY WE HAVEN'T HEARD A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT, BUT I, UM, AND THEN I, I THINK WE'VE ALSO, UM, WELL, SO WELL THAT, SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN OF MINE IS THAT OUR, HOW MUCH ARE WE LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS CAN GET FUNDED VERSUS SOMETHING LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT HAS NO OTHER WAY OF BEING FUNDED, UH, BESIDES THE CITY.

AND THEN, YEAH, I GUESS JUST MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS HONESTLY 145 OR WHAT, WHAT IS IT, 105 MILLION ACROSS SIX YEARS AS A BOND PACKAGE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ALMOST, IT'S LIKE TWO PROJECTS A YEAR.

SO, UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S A VERY VALUABLE ENDEAVOR TO, TO DO A SIX YEAR BOND AT THAT LOW OF A LEVEL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IT EITHER NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY GO UP OR WE NEED TO DISCUSS IF IT'S, UM, VALUABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BECAUSE I THINK IT IS KIND OF SO LOW THAT IT, IT WILL NOT REALLY HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT IF IT'S SPREAD ACROSS SIX YEARS.

THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REALLY REFLECTS ALL THE FOLKS THAT CAME SAYING THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDED TO BE FUNDED.

'CAUSE IT WILL LOOK LIKE IT'S GETTING MONEY, BUT IT WON'T ACTUALLY PRODUCE VERY MUCH.

ONE THING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION AT THE BEGINNING IS THAT WE DID ASK STAFF TO BE HERE.

UM, AND SO OVER HERE WE DO HAVE STAFF AND SO IF PEOPLE BRING UP THINGS THAT THEY WANT CLARITY FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN STAFF, SUCH AS INFORMATION THAT WAS JUST SHARED, PLEASE LET ME KNOW OR LET, WE CAN HAVE THAT QUESTION.

SO ARE YOU ASKING US TO MAKE NOTE OF THOSE QUESTIONS FOR FOLLOW UP AND YOU WANT US TO GET THROUGH EVERYBODY FIRST OR DO YOU WANNA I THINK WE SHOULD GET THROUGH EVERYONE, THEM AS WE GO.

YEAH, I THINK WE SHOULD WAIT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ROUND.

LET'S GET THROUGH EVERYONE'S, AND THEN I'LL, I'LL MAKE NOTES AND THEN I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN HEAR FROM WATERSHED ON THAT QUESTION IS JUST NUMBER ONE.

IS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE EXTENSION OF OPPORTUNITIES IT PROVIDES.

WHO ELSE ONLINE THERE ARE ANY THOUGHTS? I DON'T WANNA SLEEP OVER YOU, SO IF NO ONE HAS ANYTHING, I'LL JUST, RICH, ARE YOU, DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY? YOU'RE GOOD.

I, I HAVE A QUESTION, FRANCIS.

SO I'VE BEEN CONCERNED, AND ALL THE FACILITIES AND ASSETS WILL HAVE AN OPERATING BUDGET IMPACT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL PUT PRESSURE ON THE CITY'S BUDGET, UH, AS YOU CONTEMPLATE SORT OF THE BOND PROGRAMS COMING ONLINE AT SOME POINT.

SO I'M SENSITIVE TO THAT.

BUT OUT OF ALL THE PROJECTS WE GOT THE, UM, SOME INFORMATION BACK FROM STAFF, SIMILAR RANGES OF O AND M IMPACTS, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM, WHICH IN MY MIND I INITIALLY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ONE OF THE MORE EFFICIENT PROJECTS AS IT WOULDN'T RESULT IN SO MANY FTES.

THE OTHER PROJECTS RESULTS FROM ANYWHERE FROM 12 TO 19 ADDITIONAL FTES, BUT THE O AND M IMPACT WAS IN LINE WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS, UM, EVEN THOUGH IT ONLY NECESSITATE AN ADDITIONAL FIVE FTES.

SO SOME CLARIFICATION THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD FIND A WAY TO OPTIMIZE, UM, THE BUILD OUT OF THE LIBRARY, THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY AND HEALTH CENTER TO, TO FIND CAPACITY IF WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND THOSE ITEMS THAT HAVE OPERATING BUDGET IMPACTS.

AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD IN OUR CRITERIA THAT WE WOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE OPERATING AND LONGSTANDING, UM, O AND M IMPACT.

UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT IS GONNA COME INTO PLAY WITH THIS DISCUSSION.

BUT IF WE'RE ABLE TO OPTIMIZE THE BUILD OUT OF THE, THOSE TWO PARTICULAR PROJECTS, COULD WE FIND A WAY TO BUILD CAPACITY FOR CARVER? UM, AND YOU KNOW, I'M OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I HAVE FAMILY THAT VISITED THIS WEEKEND.

THE FIRST PLACE THEY WANTED TO GO WAS THE CARVER MUSEUM.

SO I UNDERSTAND THE, THE VALUE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ASSET IT

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AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THE O AND M IMPACT IS IN LINE WITH ALL THE OTHER FACILITY PROJECTS, AND WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THOSE ITEMS THAT WILL HAVE OPERATING BUDGET IMPACT, COULD WE OPTIMIZE THE BUILD OUT IN A WAY TO CREATE CAPACITY FOR THAT PROJECT TO ROLL ON SINCE IT, IT IS ONLY ABOUT 12 TO 15 MILLION OR SO.

IF I REM IF I RECALL SINCE 17 MILLION, 17 MILLION, WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER? I THINK ONE OF THE PROPOSALS, THE HIGHER PROPOSAL FOR THAT WAS A $17 MILLION INVESTMENT.

AND THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT, BUT IF STAFF IS THERE, IF THEY COULD CLARIFY WHY THE OM IMPACT WAS FAIRLY THE SAME, BUT THE FTE RANGES WERE VERY SORT OF WIDE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY CARVER WOULD COST ANOTHER, OH, I'M SORRY, A 1.8 MILLION O AND M, BUT ONLY, BUT THAT NOT INCLUDED THE FIVE FTES ASSOCIATED WHERE OTHER PROJECTS COST FROM 1.6 TO 2.2 MILLION AND INCLUDED THE FTES, WHICH WENT UP TO AS HIGH FROM 12 TO 16.

AND IN SOME CASES, KAY, I THINK YOU WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT.

I ACTUALLY WAS JUST GONNA ASK.

I, I SENT OUT AND UPDATED, I HAD, UM, MADE A MISTAKE ON LIKE THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF ALL THE, UM, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS FOR MOST OF THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

AND THEY JUST WEREN'T AS PRECISE AS THE DATA ONLINE COULD BE DOWNLOADED.

SO I MADE A CORRECTION.

I EMAILED THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT AGO.

UH, IF YOU COULD CIRCULATE THAT ONE INSTEAD, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION.

SO THAT WASN'T, BUT THAT WAS FOR YOU.

SO WE WANNA MAKE NOTE OF THE CLARIFYING QUESTION THAT NICOLE HAS AS WELL.

I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL HEARD THAT QUESTION.

UM, ANYONE I WAS CALLING ON RICH WHEN, NO, NICOLE JUMPED IN.

SO RICH, I WAS JUST WANTING TO START WITH YOU.

YOU'RE THE FIRST ON THE SCREEN.

YEAH, I, I JUST HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS I DID BEFORE.

I, I THOUGHT THE 20% WAS GONNA BE A DATA POINT AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS GONNA BE THE STRATEGY TO SET THE BOND.

UM, PERFECT.

DISAPPOINTED.

I'D LIKE TO, BEFORE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING, COMING TOGETHER WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, RICH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO HEAR OR CLEAR, HEAR YOU CLEARLY.

OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

'CAUSE YOU'RE OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

SO COULD YOU I'M IN PERU RIGHT NOW.

OH, THERE WE GO.

THAT'S, UM, OKAY.

GOT A SHOT.

THEY MAKE HENRY BETTER.

SO THE, I MEAN JUST, I JUST STILL HAVE CONCERN AT THE 28% METHODOLOGY.

I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE WAND, BUT I MEAN, EVEN THINK, LIKE ON WATERSHED WE WENT UP TO GET TO THAT 20%.

WE WENT UP TO THE, I THINK ONE 50.

I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT AT ONE 20.

I COULD BE WRONG, WAS LOOKING FOR IT ONLINE.

UM, AND THEN JUST TO ACROSS THE BOARD JUST KIND OF FELT LIKE WE WERE ELEVATING SOME THINGS UP AND, YOU KNOW, PRESSING SOME THINGS DOWN BASED UPON THE EASE OF 20% AS THE STARTING LINE, RATHER THAN GOING BACK TO WHERE WE ORIGINALLY, YOU KNOW, HAD, WHICH WAS WHAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS TO GET TO, TO 700 OR SEVEN 50 MILLION.

BUT WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S IT.

I, AND WHEN I LOOK AT PARKS AND REC AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE, THE STRONG INPUT.

UM, I PROMISE I DID NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GETTING THE GARRISON COMMUNITY OUT AND, UM, ADVOCATING AND, BUT IT'S BEEN NICE TO HEAR, YOU KNOW, AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT GARRISON AND WE, WE LOOK AT THE OTHER PARKS WITHIN THE SYSTEM, BIG STACY WAS, YOU KNOW, ALSO PART OF IT.

MARTIN, YOU KNOW, HAS SOME MAJOR ISSUES MEAN TOTAL WE HAD, YOU KNOW, $52 MILLION.

IT WASN'T WITH RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ULTIMATELY CAME WITH BECAUSE WE WERE BEING SENSITIVE.

BUT THE REALITY IS, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS THAT THE NUMBERS WE HAVE A POOL IS GONNA CLOSE DOWN OVER THE, OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS WITH THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE.

WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY.

AND I KNOW, I MEAN, I'M JUST TALKING TO SOMEBODY WHO SERVED ON THE BOARD FOR SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS WHO SERVED ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE AQUATICS MASTER PLAN, YOU KNOW, ALMOST EIGHT YEARS AGO.

AND WE'RE JUST GONNA SEE SOME MAJOR CHALLENGES.

UM, I DON'T KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL SEE HOW WE GET THROUGH THE REST OF IT.

I DID HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I PUT THROUGH FORWARD THROUGH PARKS AND REC ON POLICY.

PART OF IT WAS LIKE ON S PCS, ENERGY SAVINGS, PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING IN ORDER TO GET THE HIGHEST PER HIGHER PERFORMING BUILDINGS.

SO WHATEVER THOSE BUILDINGS COME FORWARD, WHETHER IT'S CARVER OR IF IT'S COLONY PARK OR ANY OTHER FACILITY THAT WE'RE LAYING IN ESPC ON TOP OF IT, TO BRING THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE'RE LOOKING AT LEAST PURCHASE AGREEMENTS FOR SOLAR ON TOP AS WELL, SO WE CAN BE ABLE TO PROTECT THE CAPITAL BUDGET COMING THROUGH A BOND.

SO IT CAN BE REALLY EXPENSIVE WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

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I'M GONNA BE QUIET NOW.

THANKS RICH.

AND I JUST WANTED TO READ OUT LOUD 'CAUSE I, I WANTED TO PULL IT UP FOR THE 15% SCENARIO FOR STORM WATER.

THAT WAS $112.5 MILLION AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO, RICH? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ORIGINAL SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS PRIOR TO GOING TO THE 15, 20 AND 25% METHODOLOGY THAT WE TALKED.

IT TALKED ABOUT 60 MILLION.

IT WAS WHAT? ONE 60? OH, IT WAS ONE 60.

OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE SAYING IT WAS LESS THAN ONE 50.

I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE 20.

UM, THAT WE WENT OUT FROM THE LAST ONE.

BUT I, I COULD BE WRONG.

BUT RACHEL, THIS IS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE VOTE A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO.

DO WE CONTINUE WITH THAT? WHAT WE THINK BASED UPON NEEDS ARE? OR DO WE COME UP WITH THIS 2020, UH, 20 15, 20 20 5% METHODOLOGY? OKAY.

SO EVEN FOR US, YOU KNOW, SAME THING.

I DID NOT PUSH FORWARD A 15% RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT'D BE CATASTROPHIC.

CATASTROPHIC FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

AND AT THAT POINT I JUST WOULDN'T VOTE FOR THE BOND.

SO, OKAY.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT QUESTION ABOUT STORMWATER.

ALRIGHT, NICOLE KIBA, DO YOU WANNA I WANNA, OH NO, BEN, SORRY I SKIPPED OVER BEN.

BEN'S THE NEXT SQUARE.

SORRY.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SHARE, BEN? ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA KEEP MOVING.

I, GO AHEAD.

UH, I THINK THAT, UM, ONE, ONE ASPECT THAT I THINK SHOULD BE MENTIONED IS ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, WE'RE STILL INCLUDING THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE'S MONEY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK REALLY DOES BELONG TO FACILITIES.

IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, BUT UM, YOU KNOW, I ALSO WILL ECHO SOMETHING THAT, UH, WAS SAID EARLIER THAT FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS I'VE HEARD DISCUSSION WITH DIFFERENT COUNCIL OFFICES THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER MECHANISMS FOR FUNDING THEM, WHETHER IT'S FEES TO, TO FUND, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR VERY NECESSARY STORM WATER.

UH, AND ACTUALLY FINDING A MORE RELIABLE WAY OF FUNDING THAT STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE OR, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTIFICATE OF OBLIGATIONS FOR SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE NECESSARY AND, AND MAY HAVE OTHER FOLLOW ON REPERCUSSIONS IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THEM.

UM, SO I THINK THAT CHANGES THE NUMBERS.

I MEAN, IT WOULD LOWER OUR, OUR CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, OUR DEBT CAPACITY.

BUT, UM, IT WOULD ALSO CHANGE THE NUMBERS AS WE DIVIDE IT UP BETWEEN THESE WORKING GROUPS.

THEY'RE CONSIDERED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

RACHEL, WERE YOU GONNA RESPOND TO THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE COMMENT? 'CAUSE I DID WANNA, I WOULD LIKE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE NICE TO CLARIFY FOR SOME OF US WHO MAYBE ARE A LITTLE LESS FAMILIAR.

WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL ALONG.

LEGALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING CANNOT INCLUDE A FACILITY.

IT'S A DIFFERENT THAT ALL OF THE OTHER BONDS ARE NON-TAXABLE.

THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ARE TAXABLE BONDS BY LAW IN THE STATE.

THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED, UM, PUBLIC FACILITIES.

SO THE, THE HOMELESS OFFICE REQUEST WILL NOT BE IN THE SAME BUCKET AS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT WON'T, IT WON'T LOOK LIKE THAT IN THE BOND LANGUAGE.

IT WILL NOT BE ON THE SAME BOND.

SO IT IS A, A FACILITY.

UH, SO CONTINUING TO KEEP IT, I UNDERSTOOD THAT WE WERE EVALUATING IT, BUT IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT IS NOT GONNA GO TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE LEGALLY LIKE THAT.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE KEEP SHOWING IT, UM, WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

'CAUSE LIKE IF WE END THE MEETING AND SAY IT'S PART OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, IT'S NOT GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT TO THE VOTERS OR BE SPENT THAT WAY.

THEY AREN'T NECESSARILY TALKING ABOUT THIS EVEN THOUGH WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO CONSIDER IF THAT, IF WE WERE TO MOVE THAT, I MEAN THAT'S LESS DOLLAR, SO IT'S NOT REALLY 150 MILLION TOWARDS HOMELESS, LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS CLEAR.

IT'S JUST THAT SHOULD WE USE THAT BUCKET OF MONEY FOR FACILITIES IN GENERAL FOR THE STRICT STRATEGY OFFICE? I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T EVER GOTTEN CLEAR.

I I UNDERSTAND THAT IT ISN'T, IS NOT USED TO BE AFFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BUT IS IS IS SOMETHING THAT THIS GROUP RECOMMENDS.

I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T.

I'M ASKING IS THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S COMING OUT OF A WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION? WELL, SO THE 350 MILLION THAT WE WERE WEIGHING AS THE DEPARTMENT'S REQUEST DID NOT INCLUDE THAT 50 MILLION FROM HSO.

IT CAME, THAT CAME LATER AND IT WAS NOT.

SO IT, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS THE WHOLE TIME, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT BELONGS, BUT IT WILL NOT BE, IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT WILL NOT BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FUNDS.

AND I DO THINK WHEN PEOPLE COME AND SAY WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING,

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SO I'M NOT SURE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM FACILITIES, BUT IT JUST SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED THAT IT IS NOT PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUCKET.

CAN I CLARIFY AND SAY THAT WE DID HEAR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE HOMELESSNESS OFFICE AND I THOUGHT IT SURFACED AS A PRIORITY OF THE WORKING GROUP THAT EVEN THOUGH FROM A PROPOSITION LANGUAGE IT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE UH, OF COURSE THE ATTORNEYS HAVE TO WEIGH IN HOW IT'S PACKAGED, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CROPPED UP AS A PRIMARY RECOMMENDATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

YEAH, CERTAINLY.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT, THAT IT SHOULDN'T, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT BEING PRESENTED ACCURATELY IN TERMS OF IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOLLARS, SO.

SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN DO.

YEAH, I'M A LAWYER.

I DON'T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THINGS IN WAYS THAT THEY ARE LEGALLY INACCURATE.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, NICOLE, I'M SURE YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY.

IT'S JUST LIKE, IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY.

IT'S NOT GOING TO APPEAR ON THE BALLOT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY.

IT IS NOT GOING TO GO TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I WOULD JUST LIKE US TO DISCUSS IT WHERE IT SHOULD BE.

IT IS GOING TO CREATE STAFF NEEDS.

I IMAGINE IT'S JUST NOT THE SAME ANIMAL.

SO YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE NUMBERS CHANGE.

I MEAN OUR BOTTOM RECOMMENDATION WAS 105 AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE FOR THE, UM, WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT NEEDS TO LIKE BE DEDUCTED FROM FACILITIES 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T ANALYZING IT.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT YEAH, WE GOT IT IN TERMS OF, BECAUSE THAT JUST MEANS THAT ACTUALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AT ONE OH 5 MILLION AND THAT 45 MILLION IS A PART OF FACILITIES AND THAT IS NOT A 20% PACKAGE.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO JUST MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD.

UM, YEAH, SO I GUESS, UH, YEAH, SOME GENERAL THOUGHTS.

UM, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, RACHEL, ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GET TO AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER ON THAT, BUT JUST WE'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE, THERE IS NEED AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ALSO ABOUT THE KIND OF TECHNICAL, UM, ISSUE OF FACILITIES VERSUS NON FACILITIES.

SO WHEN WE WRITE UP OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS, UH, ASSUMING THAT STAYS IN THERE, WHICH I HOPE IT DOES, I AM, I'M ALL FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A FACILITY, UH, NOT PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOND.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, NICOLE'S BEEN BRINGING UP THIS, THIS ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, THE O AND M ON FACILITIES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M NOT SURE TOTALLY WHAT TO THINK BECAUSE THINGS MIGHT, MIGHT CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, BUT DOESN'T, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT REALLY A TON OF REASON TO EXPECT THAT THINGS WILL IMPROVE, UH, AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD NEED TO.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK HAVING THREE NEW, UM, SIGNIFICANT FACILITIES IS A CHALLENGE.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE GENERAL OPERATING BUDGETS, UM, AREAS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO PUT MORE MONEY, UM, ONE, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, IN IN THE NAME OF, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS REDUCTION ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING, UH, IS BY FAR OUR MOST COST EFFECTIVE, UH, STRATEGY ON THIS LIST FOR DOING THAT.

UM, AND YOU CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, SEE THAT IN THE NUMBERS.

UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, YOU KNOW, USING, UH, THAT BUMPING THOSE THAT NUMBER UP ENOUGH TO, UH, BASICALLY OFFSET THE REST OF THE EMISSIONS, UH, FROM THE REST OF THE PACKAGE.

WHICH I THINK WOULD BE, I, I FORGET MAYBE, I THINK LUKE HAD DONE THE MATH AND IT WAS MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE 15 MILLION INSTEAD OF SIX OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHATEVER THE NUMBER, UM, EXACT NUMBER IS, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S OUR MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO ACTUALLY GET TO A, UH, NET ZERO GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, UH, BOND.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE CAN COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER 9 MILLION OR SO, UH, FROM OTHER PLACES, THAT THAT SHOULD BE A PLACE THAT IT SHOULD GO.

THE OTHER ONE I WOULD KIND OF PUT IN THE, UH, CATEGORY OF CLIMATE ADAPTATION, UM, IN THE AQUATICS PROGRAM.

UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST, I THINK WITH OUR SUMMERS GETTING HOTTER AND HOTTER, UM, THE IDEA OF CLOSING POOLS JUST FEELS UNACCEPTABLE TO ME.

UM, PEOPLE NEED THAT PLACE TO BE ABLE TO GET OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING ACTIVE AND NOT BE OVERHEATED.

UM, IT'S, IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE, HAVE KIDS OUTSIDE RUNNING AROUND AND DOING STUFF WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED DEGREES.

UM, BUT SWIMMING IS

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UM, SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE 20 MILLION IS UNFORTUNATELY JUST FAR FROM ADEQUATE.

AND, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE HAD TO, UH, CUT ONE OF THE BIG FACILITIES AND PUT THE MONEY INTO AQUATICS AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING, UH, WHILE I THINK THOSE FACILITIES ARE IMPORTANT, UM, AND NEEDED, I, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER BALANCE.

JEREMY.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD RIGHT NOW.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

AND ANDREW, I'M NOT TO ADD EITHER, I'M JUST LISTENING.

OH, YOU'RE ONLINE.

OH, SORRY.

IT SAYS NAME ONLINE AS WELL.

SORRY.

THAT'S WHY I GOT THE, OKAY.

WELL WE CAN ACTUALLY START WITH YOU.

YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T, UH, WE'LL GO, 'CAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA GO AROUND THE ROOM.

THAT WAS EVERYBODY ONLINE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE INITIAL 20% PACKAGE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? UM, I'M STILL KIND OF, OBVIOUSLY A NEW JOINER AND STILL CATCHING UP AND WHATNOT.

I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SENTIMENT AROUND IT NOT BEING A GOOD IDEA TO JUST DO A FLAT 20% ACROSS THE BOARD.

TOTALLY GET THAT.

I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO, IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG PROBLEM WHEN IT COMES TO, UM, PICKING THESE FLAT PERCENTAGES AS A BASELINE MEASURE VERSUS TAKING IT ALL AT ONCE AND GOING PRETTY MUCH ITEM BY ITEM AND, AND ASSESSING SOME KIND OF, UM, UTILITY OR, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, NECESSITY AND SUCH.

UM, I THINK AS WE TALK ABOUT THEM IN MORE DEPTH, I'LL GET A BETTER IDEA.

UM, I STILL HAVE A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DOING, A LOT OF LEARNING TO DO, BUT, UH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

THOSE WOULD BE MY INITIAL THOUGHTS.

HAYDEN? I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD.

UM, I GUESS THE ONLY THING IS, UM, ON THE TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP, UM, SPREADSHEET, WE DID CALCULATE, UM, THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND TRANSPORTATION IS THE LARGEST PIECE OF OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

IT'S 30% OR MAYBE A LITTLE HIGHER BY NOW.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT AS WE WORK TOWARD THINKING ABOUT A CARBON NEUTRAL BOND, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY LOWER SOME OF THOSE HEAVIER CARBON INVESTMENTS WITH LOCAL MOBILITY THAT, UM, OFFSETS SOME OF THOSE CARBON HEAVY PROJECTS.

JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, 'CAUSE ARE YOU SAYING THAT IF WE INCREASE SPENDING ON TRANSPORTATION OR WERE YOU SAYING IF WE DECREASE SOME OF THE PROJECTS? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M HEARING IT CORRECTLY.

YEAH, I'M JUST, I'M SAYING THAT THERE'S LOCAL MOBILITY PROJECTS THAT HELP GET PEOPLE OUT OF CARS.

MM-HMM .

UM, HELP REDUCE OUR CARBON IMPACT.

AND SO WE NEED TO BALANCE, I THINK THEY'RE A GOOD TOOL FOR BALANCING OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE CARBON HEAVY.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST MAKING SURE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPPORTUNITY TO, YOUR SUGGESTION IS INCREASING SOME OF THE LOCAL MOBILITY PROGRAMS YEAH.

I JUST HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS.

UM, I THINK IT'S VERY INTERESTING THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED $0 FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S SOME MAGIC SOLUTION OUT THERE THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

UM, ALSO, I'M OF THE OPINION, GIVEN THE BUDGETARY ISSUES THAT WE SHOULD SPEND ON THE ASSETS WE HAVE MAKING IMPROVEMENTS OR BETTERING THOSE AS OPPOSED TO NEW FACILITIES, INCLUDING THE POOLS, INCLUDING CURRENT PARKS.

AND, UM, LASTLY, I'D ALSO NOTE THAT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION ON FACILITIES AND ASSETS WAS A THIRD OF THE 150 MILLION THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN OUR, UM, INITIAL RECOMMENDATION.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE STAFF'S INPUT ON WHY THEY TOOK THAT APPROACH.

THANKS.

YOU'RE SAYING, SAY THAT, SAY THAT LAST ONE ONE MORE TIME.

THE, THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR NEW FACILITIES AND ASSETS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'VE PUT FORTH AND JUST SORT OF THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THAT.

COULD YOU KNOW THE, THE DISCREPANCY OFFHAND THAT THE, THE NUMBERS, SO IF YOU INCLUDE THEIR BUDGET FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE, THEY CAME IN AT 58, 50 8 MILLION IF I HAVE THE NUMBERS RIGHT, SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.

THEY HAD THE HAMPTON LIBRARY AND SOME FLEET LAND ACQUISITION AND, UH, WE'RE AT ONE 50.

I GUESS I, I'VE HEARD A FEW TIMES THAT THERE MAY BE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR SOME OF THESE PROJECTS.

JUST MAKE SURE YOU ALL HEARD THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT.

ALL RIGHT, ROBERT, UH, HI.

A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

UM,

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SO SINCE THIS IS SUCH A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THE FULL NEEDS REALLY ARE, AND WE'RE CUTTING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOSING SO MUCH LESS THAN A LOT OF THESE PLACES NEEDS, IF THOSE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDING ARE THERE, SOMEBODY SHOULD MAKE IT KNOWN TO US, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE SOURCES ARE SO WE CAN MAYBE GET REALLOCATE SOME OF THIS MONEY TO PROJECTS THAT NEED IT.

UM, THAT'S ONE POINT.

UH, THE OTHER THING IS THESE ARE SMALL NUMBERS COMPARED TO WHAT THE NEED IS.

20 PERCENT'S NOT MUCH.

I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT FROM STAFF IF WE CAN, ARE SOME OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE ALLOCATED MONEY TO WORTH DOING AT THOSE ALLOCATION LEVELS? FOR EXAMPLE, GARRISON POOL, IF IT'S A $20 MILLION BOND, WHAT'S THAT GONNA GET THEM IF THEY NEED 30 OR, OR, OR, OR SO IS THERE ENOUGH OR ARE THERE OTHER SOURCES OF FUNDINGS WHERE THEY CAN, THEY CAN FINISH IT? I'D RATHER SEE US MAKE ALLOCATIONS THAT ARE GONNA GET PARTICULAR PROJECTS DONE THAN TO JUST HAVE STARVATION NUMBERS GIVEN TO A VARIETY OF PROJECTS AND, AND SORT OF SET THEM UP FOR FAILURE.

UM, AND ALONG THOSE LINES, I AGREE WITH KABA.

YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IS EV CHARGING, LET'S REALLOCATE AND MAYBE SOME THINGS JUST DON'T GET IT THIS YEAR.

YOU KNOW, I WANNA SEE THE GUS GARCIA, UH, FACILITY BUILT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE ALLOCATED TO THAT IF THERE'S FUNDING THAT CAN, UH, FROM OTHER SOURCES THAT COULD HELP OUT WITH OTHER THINGS.

SO I GUESS I'M JUST UNCLEAR ON, ON THAT ASPECT OF IT, AND I'D LIKE, I'D LIKE TO GET SOME IN INPUT FROM STAFF ON THAT.

THANK YOU, DAVE.

HAS BEEN TO, TO TRY TO SUPPORT THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY, UM, DEMANDS THAT WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO TAKE UP, UH, THINKING A LOT ABOUT, UM, WHICH OF THESE, UH, PROJECTS WOULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL FTES? WHAT ARE THE O AND M COSTS? AND THAT'S A QUESTION WE'VE BEEN ASKING, UH, VERY, VERY CONSISTENTLY AS WE'VE BEEN EVALUATING THESE PROJECTS AND HEARING ABOUT THEM.

UM, ONE THING THAT I WENT OVER WITH CITY STAFF, AND I'LL MENTION THAT I SERVE ON THE HOUSING INVESTMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR THE CITY, WHICH LOOKS AT THE REQUESTS THAT COME IN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WELL, WE DID SOME CALCULATIONS ON HOW MUCH, UH, $1 MILLION GIVES US IN TERMS OF HOW MANY, UM, OWNER OWNERSHIP HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE OHDA.

WE GET, WE GET ABOUT SEVEN, UM, UNITS FOR A MILLION DOLLARS, AND FOR RENTALS WE GET ABOUT 17.

AND SO WITH THE 105 MILLION, UM, WE'D GET ABOUT 1700, UH, RENTAL UNITS.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW THE CITY SPENDS BETWEEN 60 AND $80 MILLION A YEAR ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND WE HEARD WHAT THE REASON WHY THERE WAS A ZERO WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS A 160 MILLION THAT HADN'T BEEN SPENT YET.

BUT THAT MONEY IS SCHEDULED TO BE SPENT BEFORE BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

AND SO, UM, WE ARE, WE'LL, WE WON'T HAVE ANY MONEY IF WE WENT WITH ZERO FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO, UM, THE POINT IS, WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

OTHER, OTHER, UM, WORK GROUPS HAVE SPECIFIC LIBRARIES OR, UH, SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER, BUT WE HAVE MONEY FOR, UH, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY OR FOUNDATION COMMUNITIES OR CARITAS OR GROUPS LIKE THAT.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PROJECTS THEY'RE GONNA BE BRINGING FOR FORWARD TO US.

SO WE NEED MORE THAN 105 MILLION, UM, OR EVEN 150 MILLION IN THE REQUEST.

THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS FOR 350 MILLION, AND WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA GET THAT.

BUT THE POINT IS, WHEN THE SURVEYS WERE DONE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITIZENS TOLD US WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS AT THE TOP OF THE RANK OF WHAT THE REQUEST, WHAT, WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE.

UM, THE OTHER POINT I'LL MAKE ABOUT THE FACILITIES IS THAT WE DID LOOK ABOUT WHERE THERE WERE GAPS FOR THINGS LIKE LIBRARIES AND, AND, UH, HEALTH CLINICS, WHICH IS WHY COLONY PARK IS RIGHT AT THE TOP OF OUR LIST TO DO BOTH OF THOSE.

AND BY COMBINING THEM, WE CAN SAVE MONEY INSTEAD OF DOING TWO SEPARATE PROJECTS.

SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'LL SAY ABOUT THE FACILITIES THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THANKS, DAVE.

GARY, I, MY FOCUS IN LOOKING AT, AT ALL OF THESE NUMBERS

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ALSO, THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD WE BUY OR DO NOW, AND WHAT IS THE COST OF IT TODAY VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE THE COST.

UM, THE NEXT TIME THERE'S A BOND CYCLE OR THE TIME AFTER THAT, THERE'S A BOND CYCLE, PARTICULARLY THINKING ABOUT IF THE ACQUISITION OF LAND AND THE FAST RISING PRICES AS WELL AS THE DWINDLING SUPPLY AT THE TIME TO INVEST IN PARK LAND ACQUISITION, FOR EXAMPLE, IS NOW, IN MY OPINION, VERSUS PUSHING THAT OFF TO, TO SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD OR 12 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.

ALSO, THIS, THIS IDEA OF KIND OF A BACK TO BASICS BOND IS, IS PRETTY IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND THERE, EVERYONE'S GOT THINGS THAT ARE OF HIGH PRIORITY TO THEM, BUT, UM, WE HAVE A, A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT AND RECOMMENDING THAN WE, WE STARTED WITH IN THIS.

AND SO WHAT ARE THE KIND OF ESSENTIAL THINGS THAT WE WANT TO RECOMMEND TO GET THROUGH THESE NEXT SIX YEARS? NOT TRYING TO ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, SOME IDEAS OR POLICY, BUT REALLY GET TO BASICS, UH, THE THINGS THAT ARE, ARE NEEDED AND THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ASKED US ABOUT, THE THINGS THAT THEY TOLD US THAT THEY NEEDED.

SO FOR ME, THOSE TOPICS ARE PARK LANE ACQUISITION, WHICH I MENTIONED.

UM, CERTAINLY SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO, ON THE AQUATIC SIDE, SOME REC SENIOR CITIZENS CENTERS WHERE THEY'RE NEEDED.

WE'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THOSE.

UM, BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THAT.

URBAN TRAILS.

PEOPLE ASK FOR URBAN TRAILS, AND THEY'RE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR THAT, UM, BRIDGES STREETS AND SOME MONEY FOR SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THE BASIC THINGS FOR ME, THE MEAT AND POTATOES THAT, UM, THAT I, I, I'M GONNA BE LOOKING FOR HOW TO, HOW TO PUSH THOSE THINGS FORWARD IN WHATEVER THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WE GET.

THANK YOU TO, UM, THE MOST IMMEDIATE THOUGHT IS THAT, UH, TIGHT BUDGETS, UH, SUCK.

AND THIS IS HARD .

UM, AND I SECOND THAT.

YEAH, THESE ARE ALL, UM, GOOD PROJECTS.

EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IS SOMETHING THE CITY NEEDS AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY NEED.

I THINK BASED ON WHERE THINGS ARE AT, WHAT I WOULD, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING, UH, A DECENT AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AT THE ONE 50.

I'LL ALSO NOTE THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE'S PROPOSAL, THOUGH I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

UM, IT, IT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT I THINK WILL TAKE A LOT OF, UH, PLANNING, SITE IDENTIFICATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT MAY HOLD UP ACTUAL EXECUTION FOR A LITTLE WHILE, THAT IN A WAY THAT MIGHT MAKE IT MORE CONDUCIVE TO A CO IN THE FUTURE THAN BOND FUNDING.

I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT AND, AND SEE HOW IT LOOKS IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.

UM, I DO THINK THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD GET THE A, A FULL ONE 50 THOUGH, UM, FULL KIND OF NEBULOUS CONCEPT THERE.

BUT, UH, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

WE'VE HAD A TON OF PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT IT.

UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BELOW 50% AND BELOW 30%.

MFI REALLY IS ESSENTIAL IN THE CITY.

UM, ALL THESE INVESTMENTS ARE GREAT, BUT IF FOLKS CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT YOU.

WHAT'S, WHAT'S KIND OF THE BENEFIT? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME MORE FUNDING FOR PARKS.

I THINK, UH, BOOSTING THE AQUATIC FUNDING PROGRAM TO MAKE SURE WE CAN COVER SOME OF THE ESSENTIAL, UH, UH, POOLS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED WOULD BE VALUABLE.

UM, I LIKE THE PROPOSAL TO TRY AND INCREASE THE, THE TGS BY BOOSTING ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK, AND FOLKS CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT MIGHT REPLACE SOME FEDERAL MONEY THAT WAS LOST, UH, LAST YEAR.

SO I THINK THAT'S A LOT OF VALUE TO IT.

I WILL SAY I HAVE A, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED STILL.

I, AND, AND I JUST WANNA DIG INTO IT MORE LATER ON SOME OF THESE GHG CALCULATIONS, JUST BECAUSE I'M NOTICING THAT THE STORM WATER, UH, SECTION SEEMS

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TO BE THE RADICALLY HIGHEST GHG EMISSIONS CATEGORY, WHICH I DIDN'T EXPECT, UM, BECAUSE IT'S DEALING WITH STORMWATER.

BUT, UM, I'M SURE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH THE METHODOLOGY ON THAT AGAIN.

UM, IF THERE'S POTENTIAL TO TRIM, UH, IN TRANSPORTATION OR STORM WATER IN VARIOUS WAYS TO COVER SOME OF THOSE OTHER COSTS, LIKE BOOSTING THE, UH, EV CHARGING OR BOOSTING AQUATICS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE.

BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT WOULD WIND UP BE, UH, YOU KNOW, WASN'T ON THOSE WORKING GROUPS.

I'M NOT SURE WHICH AREAS WHICH OF THESE PROJECTS MAY BE, UH, TRIMMED WITHOUT MAJOR, UH, MAJOR CONCERNS.

SO I THINK THAT'S IT.

AND LUKE DID THE, DID HE FIGURE, DID HE DO THE GHG CALCULATIONS? IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

AND LAST I HEARD, I THINK WE WERE STILL WAITING ON A CAR TO, UH, TO VERIFY THEM, BUT YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THOSE TODAY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT IF WE CAN GET THROUGH A LOT TODAY, I JUST WANNA SAY IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN ALSO LIKE P UH, PIECE OUT TODAY, BUT MAYBE HAVE THEIR EXACT NUMBERS BY THE NEXT MEETING.

UM, AND LUKE DID JUMP OFF, SO I DON'T, HE CAN'T REALLY A KAI, UNLESS YOU WANNA SPEAK TO IT.

YEAH, YEAH.

UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T GO BACK AND I, I DID DOWNLOAD ALL THE DATA AS WELL.

UM, SO I WOULD HAVE TO, I DID NOT DOUBLE CHECK EVERY ONE OF THESE NUMBERS, BUT I, I THINK LUKE GOT IT RIGHT.

UM, HE WAS TAKING THE, THE NUMBERS DIRECTLY FROM THE TABLEAU THAT WE, UM, GOT THE PRESENTATION FROM A CAR.

UM, AND I'VE PUT THAT INTO ONE, UM, DOCUMENT AND CAN SEND IT AROUND TO EVERYBODY AS WELL.

BUT I THINK THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS SIMPLY THAT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCRETE IN THESE PROJECTS, AND THAT'S DRIVING THE, YOU KNOW, EMBEDDED CARBON EMISSIONS.

UM, THERE ARE WAYS TO DEAL WITH STORM WATER THAT DON'T INVOLVE SO MUCH CONCRETE.

AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WATERSHED DOES SOME OF THAT.

UM, IF WE CAN MOVE MORE IN THAT DIRECTION, IT'LL HAVE LESS GREENHOUSE GAS IMPACT.

AND IF WE CAN MAKE A COMMITMENT TO USE LOW CARBON CONCRETE FOR THOSE PROJECTS, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO MITIGATE.

COMMIT HARD TO HAVE ANYTHING SUPER NOVEL TO ADD.

UH, I THINK AFTER SO MANY, UH, FOLKS CHIMED IN, BUT I JUST, I WANNA SAY I, I THINK I PROBABLY MORE SHARE A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEAR EMERGING FROM THE TASK FORCE.

SO, UH, QUESTIONS AROUND, UM, THE, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, QUESTIONS AROUND POTENTIAL, UM, ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF FUNDING FOR STORMWATER PROJECTS.

UM, AND, UH, THOSE I THINK ARE PROBABLY THE TWO BIGGEST ITEMS THAT I, I, I'D LOVE CLARITY ON AS WE ENGAGE IN THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION.

AWESOME.

C NO COMMENT.

OH, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS? OH, OKAY.

UM, FOR MYSELF, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD MOSTLY, 'CAUSE I'M FACILITATING, I DO WANNA JUST MENTION TOO, WHEN WE DID THE IN-PERSON OUTREACH BACK IN THE NOVEMBER DECEMBER, NOT ONLY DID WE HEAR ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UM, AS SOMETHING THAT WAS SUPER IMPORTANT.

SO THE IDEA OF LIKE, NOT EVEN PROVIDING A LOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING KIND OF GO BOATS TO WHERE IF THERE WAS EVEN DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING A POSSIBILITY.

SO I WANNA TAKE TIME NOW TO KIND OF GO AHEAD AND GET STAFF ANSWERS FOR THAT.

I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THAT MIC WORKING? BECAUSE I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE, I MEAN, I CAN GET UP.

I CAN, I CAN GO SIT.

I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION, IF WE WANNA KIND OF GO IN ORDER, UM, REALLY I THINK THE WATERSHED AND DEVELOPMENT FEES WAS THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I, IS IT NOT ON? OKAY.

AS YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE, UH, CONCRETE, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IS THE CONCRETE AND REBAR, A LOT OF LARGE PIPE TO MOVE A LOT OF WATER, RIGHT? UM, SO THEY ARE COSTLY PROJECTS AND SO OTHER WAYS THAT WE HAVE FUNDING, UM, THAT NOT ALWAYS GO TO PROJECTS, BUT WE HAVE OF COURSE OUR DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE.

SO THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT FEES IN TERMS OF WATERSHED, THE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE, AND I THINK ONE THING THAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE HOW VIABLE IS THAT OPTION, RIGHT? OR THE REASON THAT THERE'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL IS BECAUSE THAT TAKES A LONG TIME, ALL THAT KIND OF, SURE, YEAH.

I'LL TALK.

I'M JANAE SPENCE, UH, AUSTIN WATERSHED PROTECTION ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OVER PROJECT DESIGN AND DELIVERY.

UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN PAY FOR PROJECTS JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS, UH, YOU KNOW, A GOOD FLARE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS.

SO OF COURSE WE HAVE BONDS, UM, FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE AFTER OUR FLOODS IN 2013 AND 2015 RECOMMENDED USING BONDS JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR PROJECTS ARE VERY LARGE SCALE.

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AND SO THAT, UH, MAYBE SOME OF THE FEES THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS COST TO, UH, THE RESIDENTS AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PROPERTIES.

UM, SO YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, ADJUST THOSE FEES.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE THE FEES FROM DEVELOPERS THAT WERE MENTIONED, BUT THAT'S REALLY JUST TO MITIGATE THEIR IMPACT.

SO THE FEES, THEY CAN ONLY QUALIFY FOR THOSE FEES IF LIKE PAYING FEE IN LIEU, BASICALLY, IF THEY CAN'T PROVE THAT THEY CAN MITIGATE IT WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, IDEALLY THEY'RE DOING IT AND THEY'RE NOT, UH, GIVING US THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO GO TRY TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM.

BUT IDEALLY THAT THEY CAN, UH, MITIGATE THE PROBLEM BY DETAINING THEIR OWN WATER, UH, TREATING THEIR OWN WATER, THOSE KIND OF THINGS ON SITE.

UM, SO THOSE FEES, WE CAN'T, UH, JUST CHANGE THEM.

WE, THEY HAVE TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE IMPACT THEY'RE MAKING AND IT HAS TO BE RELATIVE TO THE IMPACT THEY'RE MAKING.

AND THEN THE FEES, UH, THAT WE GATHER ARE EITHER FOR THE FEE IN LIEU OR FOR OUR REVIEW TIME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? OH, SURE.

JUST, I MEAN, UH, JUST IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, YEAH.

HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IN DEVELOPMENT FEES AND HOW MUCH OF THE 150 MILLION THAT WOULD BE BONDED COULD YOU REPLACE WITH THAT? UH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

IT VARIES EASIER TO YEAR, DEPENDING ON, UH, THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE COME IN OR THAT COME IN.

NOW THE FEES THOSE GO THAT ARE FOR REVIEW GO DIRECTLY TOWARD JUST THE REVIEW.

SO THERE'S NO FUNDING OF THAT THAT COULD BE USED FOR PROJECTS, THE AMOUNT THAT CAN BE USED FOR PROJECTS.

UM, IT'S REALLY JUST TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.

I THINK MOST WE WOULD GET PER YEAR IS LIKE, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK THESE NUMBERS AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU, BUT JUST GIVING A NUMBER FOR BALLPARK AS WE'RE TALKING, LIKE ONE TO 2 MILLION, IT'S NOT A LOT.

THANK, BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TOO.

ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE DEVELOPMENT FEES ARE USED FOR THE PROJECT? THEY'RE LIKE THE AREAS IN WHICH THE PROJECT IS HAPPENING AND NOT CANNOT BE USED ANYWHERE? CORRECT.

YEAH, THAT'S A, ANOTHER GOOD, UH, CLARIFICATION.

SO WHEN THEY PAY THE FEES TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND SO IT HAS TO BE USED WITHIN THE SAME WATERSHED, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR THE FEE, YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE NOT CAUSING, UH, THAT IMPACT AND THAT IT COULD BE BETTER USED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE WATERSHED THAT HAS FLOODING.

NOW, A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE, UH, EXTENSIVE FLOODING AND A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PROVE YOU'RE NOT GONNA CAUSE AN ISSUE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE SO MUCH ISSUES IN THOSE WATERSHEDS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF TIMES IT IS WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCRETE, OLDER PARTS OF AUSTIN WHERE, UH, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE REGULATION BACK IN THE DAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING UP TO SPEED.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN, DON'T THEY HAVE TO BRING EVERYTHING UP TO CODE? THEY DO FOR THEIR OWN STUFF, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT FOR OUR ROADS, OUR BRIDGES, LIKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE DETAINING THEIR OWN WATER, IF WE SAY YOU HAVE TO UPGRADE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CHASE THAT PIPE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE RIVER FROM WHEREVER THEY ARE LIKELY TO GET IT ALL UP TO CODE.

SO THEY REALLY JUST HAVE TO MITIGATE THEIR IMPACT, WHICH IS USUALLY DONE ON SITE.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE DRAINAGE FEES THAT EVERYONE PAYS.

WAS THE WATER BILL? YEAH.

HOW, WHAT'S THE BALLPARK AMOUNT THAT COMES IN EVERY YEAR FROM THAT? AND IS THAT ALL SPOKEN FOR OR IS THERE, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT ALLOCATED? COULD IT SUBSTITUTE FOR BOND MONEY OR COULD IT FILL THE GAP? SO THE, SO THE AVERAGE COST I THINK TO THE RESIDENT IS AROUND 14 TO $15.

THAT'S LIKE AVERAGE, UM, ACROSS OF WHAT PEOPLE PAY.

THE AMOUNT THAT COMES IN THAT WATERSHED HAS FOR BUDGET IS ABOUT 122 MILLION.

AND OF THAT WE HAVE, SO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR ALL THE SALARIES.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT MONEY GOES TO FOR PROJECTS.

WELL, WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND THAT'S ABOUT 22 MILLION NOW.

THAT'S NOT JUST FOR PROJECTS, IT'S ALSO FOR CARS FLEET, IT'S FOR ANY ASSET.

UM, SO LIKE OUR, UH, FUSE EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS IF WE HAVE TO REPLACE ANYTHING ON THAT.

SO IT'S NOT, IT GOES TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

UH, WHAT I'VE AVERAGED OUT LOOKING IN THE FUTURE IS ABOUT 15 MILLION PER YEAR.

THAT COULD BE FOR PROJECTS.

UM, WHAT WE ASK FOR HERE IS MAINLY FOR LARGER SCALE PROJECTS, BECAUSE WITH THAT MONEY OF THE 15 MILLION, WE DO A LOT OF THE SMALLER THINGS WE CAN DO WITH IDIQ, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE, UH, FAMILIAR WITH INDEFINITE DELIVERY, INDEFINITE QUANTITY, ANY OF THE QUICK THINGS THAT WE CAN REACT QUICKLY TO.

THAT'S REALLY WHAT THAT 15 MILLION GOES TO RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN THE LARGER SCALE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BIGGER IMPACT, LONGER TERM INVESTMENT IS WHAT WE COME TO, UH, FOR BONDS USUALLY.

APPROVED TO BE INCREASED BY CITY COUNCIL.

HAYDEN, I THINK YOU HAD YOUR END UP.

MY QUESTION WAS SIMILAR.

I GUESS, UM, MAYBE IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO CLARIFY THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE POTENTIALLY MODIFIED TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS BOND PROJECTS RIGHT NOW.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT COULD BE

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ANY OTHER, UH, RICH? YEAH, SO I'D LOVE THIS DISCUSSION.

UM, AND UH, AND I COULD, I FEEL LIKE WATERSHED LOVES THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL AND I THINK THAT SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WILL LOVE THIS DISCUSSION.

YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE BECOMES, I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS OR CHALLENGES THAT JENA HAD BROUGHT UP.

ONE, DEALING WITH THAT PART PAST INFRASTRUCTURE NEED CAN HAVE THE FEE TO BE ADDRESSED FUTURE.

BUT EVEN WITH THAT QUESTION, WHEN WE ADJUST THAT FEE, HOW MUCH IS THE TAXPAYER WILLING TO GO TO ACTUALLY MEET THE NEEDS FOR THE CITY? LIKE WHAT THE, WHAT IS THAT REAL TRUE COST? SO, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY WHEN WE SEE FEES GOING TO CITY COUNCIL, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A BUCKLING BECAUSE THEY DO GET PEOPLE WHO CALL BECAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN MAYBE IT'S THAT $15 FEE GOES UP, JUST LET'S JUST PRETEND WE'LL SAY IT'S $35 A MONTH NOW.

AND HOW IT IN IMPACTS FOLKS ACROSS THE COMMUNITY.

SO THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT WERE CHALLENGED.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE GONNA MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, WE'VE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS IN PARKS AND REC THAT'LL, THAT'LL KEEP GOING FORWARD ON POLICY.

WATERSHED HAS EXACT SAME THING.

JANAE AND KELLY AND MARCUS AND, UH, OR MAY NOT MARCUS THE CFO.

WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT DISCUSSIONS, UM, IN THE PAST AND REALLY TRYING TO COME UP WITH THEM, TRYING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.

AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE LOOKING ABOUT DOING IT, BUT HERE'S THE THING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T SHORTCHANGE WATERSHED, AND THIS GOES TO, I'M ACTUALLY, WE'RE TALKING TO COUNCIL AT THIS POINT 'CAUSE THERE'S, EVEN IF WE RAISE THE FEE, WHICH THE FEE WILL COME UP DURING THE BUDGET SESSION, RIGHT? I MEAN, WHEN NOT BUDGET, WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR BUDGET DURING THE SUMMER AS THE CITY GOING INTO NEXT FISCAL YEAR, THAT'S WHEN THOSE FEES ARE SET.

WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE A, UH, A RATE CASE THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE APPLIED OR NOT, THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AND STILL GONNA TAKE TIME FOR THOSE FEES TO COME IN.

SO WE HAVE REAL CHALLENGES NOW THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND ACCOUNTING FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

BUT I'D LOVE THE DISCUSSION.

THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT.

THANK YOU FOR ADDING THAT CONTEXT.

RICH.

KENNETH, COULD, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT, YOU SAID 15 MILLION PER YEAR POTENTIALLY FOR, UM, FOR, FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

CAN YOU JUST TALK A LITTLE BIT KIND OF HOW YOU GOT TO THAT NUMBER AND, AND WHAT THAT IS? YEAH, SURE.

SO OF THE 22 MILLION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THAT'S OUR CIP TRANSFER, EVERY YEAR WE KIND OF GO THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, WHERE ALL DO, DOES THAT MONEY NEED TO GO? UH, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THE WALLER, UH, TUNNEL CLEAN OUT THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

IT GETS FULL OF SEDIMENT, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT'S MOVING ALL THAT WATER.

SO OUR, UH, DOWNTOWN, UH, PROPERTY ZONE FLOOD.

AND SO THAT'S A PRETTY HEFTY PIECE OF THAT AND THAT'S JUST A MAINTENANCE THING THAT HAS TO GO.

UM, THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THAT OR LIKE I MENTIONED THE FUSE EARLY WARNING SYSTEMS. UH, WHEN WE HAVE TO BUY NEW VEHICLES, THAT COMES OUTTA THAT AS WELL.

SO OF THAT 22, WE USUALLY HAVE ABOUT, UH, 16 OR 17, UH, 16 OR 17 IN THE YEARS.

WE DON'T DO THE CLEAN OUT AROUND 15 IN THE YEARS THAT WE DO THE, THE CLEAN OUT 'CAUSE IT'S EVERY OTHER YEAR.

SO, UH, JUST OVER 15 MILLION IS KIND OF THE AMOUNT THAT I'M BUDGETING.

15 TO 16 PER YEAR.

THAT IS PROJECTS I CAN DO.

UM, YES WE COULD SPEND SOME OF THAT ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS, BUT UH, YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE COST OF THIS.

IT WOULD BE MAYBE THE ONLY THING WE COULD DO FOR THREE YEARS TO DO ONE OF THESE PROJECTS.

UM, ALSO THAT WOULD MEAN I CAN'T DO ANY OF MY SMALL SCALE PROJECTS FOR THAT YEAR, WHICH HAVE BIG IMPACT ON INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS OR A FEW GROUPS THAT ARE REALLY TRYING TO GET SOME OF THOSE SMALL THINGS MOVED FORWARD.

TO PAY FOR THESE NEW BUILDINGS AS THEY COME ONLINE? I'D LOVE TO HEAR STAFF'S SORT OF PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR WATERSHED? NICOLE? I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FOR WATERSHED.

UM, AS I ADDED UP ALL THE FACILITIES ONES THAT SORT OF SURFACE TO THE TOP AS A PRIORITY RIGHT NOW, THE O AND M IMPACT IS AROUND 7.2 MILLION AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 15 FTES FOR ANIMAL SERVICES.

SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE FEES, IT'S LIKE THINKING ABOUT A TAX RATE INCREASE AS WELL, RIGHT? ARE WE PUSHING A BURDEN WHERE I DON'T, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT FROM A SCENT PERSPECTIVE, LIKE, 'CAUSE JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, IF WE RECOMMEND A PROPOSAL, DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY NECESSITATE A LOOK AT FEES AS WELL AS A TAX RATE INCREASE? WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, UM, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY 7.2 MILLION IN, IF THE RECOMMENDATION KIND OF GOES AS WELL, NOT NECESSARILY 7.2, YOU COULD BACK OUT CARVER AND UM, ANIMAL SERVICES.

I STILL DON'T REALLY KNOW THE TOTAL O AND M IMPACT IN THAT, BUT WHAT THAT WILL WITH, COULD THAT CONVERSATION BE HELD TOGETHER FOR THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW THEY WOULD APPROACH ABOUT THE TAXPAYER IMPACT WITH COUPLED WITH THE FEES AND THE POSSIBILITY OF EITHER ONE IN TAX RATE INCREASE OR A LOSS OF SERVICES AS TO MAKE CUT

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I THINK THE FINANCE, WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO WALKED OUT OF THE ROOM.

, I'LL LET YOU, I JUST, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO, YOU KNOW, ARE WE, WAS OUR NEXT, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS WOULD BE BE RECOMMENDING A PACKAGE THAT INCLUDED A PRESSURE TO THE O AND M BUDGET AND IT DISPLACES A PROJECT THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE BE SORT OF BUDGETARY NEUTRAL AND TO SORT OF MEET THIS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGE APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF SORT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, CHARACTERIZING SPECIFIC PROJECTS BASED UPON IMPACT ON THE OPERATING BUDGET OR NO, YOU KNOW, MINIMAL IMPACT OR SOME IMPACT OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR STAFF UNDER, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY THINK COULD HAPPEN OR THEIR PERSPECTIVE AS TO WHAT KIND OF PRESSURES ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AS IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUPLING FEE INCREASES WITH A POSSIBLE CUT, EITHER A CUT TO SERVICE OR A, A POSSIBLE TAX RATE CHANGE.

AND, AND THAT'S, I JUST WANNA HAVE SOME CONTEXT AND SOME SENTIMENT OR SOME KIND OF INSIGHTS FROM STAFF AS TO HOW THAT COULD BE, HOW THAT COULD INFORM OUR WORK.

YEAH, AND I THINK WE WERE GONNA, THE N THE NEXT TOPIC WAS GONNA BE THE O AND M DISCUSSION, BUT I, I AM SO SORRY.

I, I GUESS I WOULD, I I'M NOT, I'M SORRY THAT IF I'M TAKING US OFF TRACK.

NO, NO.

I'M SAYING THAT WAS GONNA BE THE NEXT DISCUSSION, BUT I WANTED, BEN DID YOU RAISE YOUR HAND 'CAUSE YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON NICOLE'S? I I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE STORM WATER BEFORE WE MOVED ON.

UM, IF THE, UM, THAT WAS NOT A DIG AT NICOLE.

I I AGREE WITH A LOT WHAT SHE WAS SAYING.

UM, THE, UH, THE QUESTION I HAD HAD TO DO WITH, UH, AM I RIGHT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THERE THE, THE FEE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMEHOW TIED OR PROPORTIONAL TO HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVER, UH, SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE.

SO LIKE IF I HAVE A SMALL LITTLE HOUSE, NOT A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS COVER, MY FEE IS NOT AS BIG AS, SAY SOMEONE WHO HAS A LARGE BUSINESS WITH A HUGE PARKING LOT THAT'S SENDING A LOT OF STORM STORM WATER DOWN, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET TOWARDS MY HOUSE.

UM, AND THAT THAT'S A WAY THAT MAYBE WOULD PROPORTIONALLY PUT MORE OF THE BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE CAUSING MORE OF THE STORM WATER.

UH, CORRECT.

I'M JUST WONDERING LIKE HAS THE WRITTEN DISCUSSION ON THE LEGAL, IS THERE A NEXUS LIKE PARKLAND DEDICATION? THERE HAS TO BE A, A NEXUS IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT CALCULATION? YEAH.

SO IT'S PART OF YOUR IMPERVIOUS COVER ON YOUR PROPERTY AND ALSO THE PERCENT OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AS PART OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, IT'S NOT THE SAME ACROSS RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL, ALTHOUGH THERE'S A, A LOT OF DIFFERENT LITTLE TWEAKS TO THE, UH, CALCULATION, BUT CORRECT IMPERVIOUS COVER.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE HOPE IS THAT IT'S INCENTIVIZING, UH, LESS IMPERVIOUS COVER THAT IS, UH, CONTRIBUTES TO THAT STORM WATER AND UH, WATER POLLUTION.

AND IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF FORTITUDE FOR REPEATED PAPERWORK, YOU CAN ALSO GET A DISCOUNT WITH A RAINWATER COLLECTION.

BUT YES, APPRECIATE THAT.

A LOT OF PAPERWORK.

SO JANAE, IF WE WERE GONNA TRY TO HAVE THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE TO ACTUALLY MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR, UH, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT PERCENTAGE INCREASE OF THE FEE WOULD BE? UM, WELL I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU MEAN TO MEET THE KIND OF FULL AMOUNT THAT WE PUT OUT WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING WITH THIS GROUP, UH, THE QUESTION WAS REALLY HOW MUCH WOULD COULD YOU BE ABLE TO DELIVER IN THE SIX YEARS AND WHAT'S THE KIND OF FULL PACKAGE? AND THEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE ONE 50 THAT WE, UH, YOU KNOW, AS STAFF KIND OF RECOMMENDED ALTOGETHER FOR THE ONE 50, YOU KNOW, YOU DIVIDE THAT BY THE SIX YEARS AND THEN THAT'S KIND OF HOW MUCH TO, UH, MAKE UP FOR WHAT WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN THROUGH THE BOND.

UH, I'D HAVE TO DO THE CALCULATIONS TO SEE WHAT THE AMOUNT OF INCREASE WOULD BE, UH, TO GO EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT TO JUST BE LIKE THE FULL REALM OF PROJECTS THAT ARE READY.

UM, BUT YEAH, WE COULD, WE COULD DO THOSE CALCULATIONS.

DO YOU THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE, WOULDN'T THAT FEE ACTUALLY, YOU HAD THE CALCULATIONS? I MEAN YOU THINK THERE IS THAT EXACT NEXUS WHERE, YOU KNOW, MY ROOFTOP BASICALLY I'M SUB BEING SUBSIDIZED OR COMMERCIALS BEING SUBSIDIZED, WHAT THE REAL COSTS ARE.

AND I MEAN, I THINK I WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE GEO BOND WE'RE WE'RE PAYING ONE WAY.

YOU'RE GONNA BE THROUGH GEO, YOU KNOW, OR SUPPLEMENTING THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE GETTING THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR FEES THROUGH GEO.

SO IT'S LIKE, MIGHT AS WELL JUST HAVE MORE TRUTH IN ADVERTISING.

THIS IS WHAT THE COST IS, HERE'S WHAT THE FEE IS, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW, WE NEED AS A CITY.

UM, BUT YOU THINK LEGALLY, I MEAN, HAVE YOU HEARD ANY, I CAN'T RECALL, AND THIS ISN'T ME TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT SURE.

OR ANYBODY ON THE DEPARTMENT OF THE SPOT.

THIS IS REALLY TRYING TO REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, I, I SAW ONE, UH, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR POLITICAL ORGANIZATION THAT I, I I DISAGREE ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING.

UM, GO AFTER UTILITY FEE OR GO SOME GO GO AFTER SOME SORT OF FEE.

UM,

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I THINK YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE IS VERY SPECIFIC OF WHAT THINGS CAN BE PAID FOR WITH THAT.

UM, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ALL SPENT ON THAT, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACE IS ONE YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE ANY OPEN SPACE THAT YOU BUY HAS A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH DRAINAGE BENEFITS, WATER QUALITY BENEFITS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

UM, BUT I, I DON'T FORESEE ANY OTHER LEGAL TYPES OF THINGS WE WOULD HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT.

WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE FUNDING IS WITHIN THAT, UM, AND THAT WE COULD SHOW THAT.

AND WE HAVE A GREAT WATERSHED DEPARTMENT, Y'ALL, I GOTTA SAY I LOVE MEETING WITH THESE FOLKS.

15, IT WOULD REQUIRE 15, UM, FTES, THE COLONY PARK, HOSPITAL LIBRARY AND NORTHEAST HOSPITAL EACH RANGE.

THEY, THEY, I, I MEAN I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ALRIGHT, RICH, WE CAN'T, I'LL JUST SHUT, WE DON'T, WE WE COULD GUSH BUT WE DON'T TECHNICALLY HAVE THE TIME.

UM, I I, I DO THINK THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE O AND M AND I FEEL LIKE DIFFERENT PEOPLE UM, BROUGHT UP DIFFERENT THINGS AND I THINK WHAT'S HARD FOR ME IS I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHO FROM THE CITY STAFF CAN COME UP.

IS IT MORE THAN ONE PERSON? BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK NICOLE AND A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS, I'M WONDERING IF, IF IT'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AND I THINK THE QUESTIONS THAT I GATHERED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO, I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONSIDERING THE OM EFFECTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT AFFECTS HOW WE RECOMMEND PROJECTS AND THAT'S SOME OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, WE MIGHT NOT RECOMMEND THE PROJECTS.

AND SO I'M NOT SURE WHO WANTS TO COME UP HERE BECAUSE I THINK THE FIR THIS WAS COMING UP, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CARVER MUSEUM AND TALKING ABOUT, AND NICOLE IF YOU WANNA KIND OF REPEAT THAT ONE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CARVER AND I THINK IT LEADS INTO SOME OF THE OTHER QUESTIONS AS WELL.

I DON'T KNOW IF SHE MIGHT BE DRIVING, BUT I THINK SHE WAS ASKING ABOUT SIMILAR, THEY HAVING SIMILAR OWEN M COSTS AND SEEING IF THAT IS 'CAUSE WE COULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND, I THINK SHE WANTED TO CONFIRM FOR THE FTE IF THAT WAS CORRECT, SO THAT IF WE DECIDED TO PUT ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER THE CARVER, WE HAD ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE O AND M FOR CARVER MUSEUM.

THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE, BUT I THINK GO, YEAH.

SO FOR THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS, UH, ERIC BAILEY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES, GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE TONIGHT.

UM, FOR THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS ON THE CARVER, WE'D HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP AND SEE, I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IN, OH, THANKS CHANDLER.

UM, IN, IN GENERAL IT COMES, COMES YOU HAVE TO ANSWER WHERE IT COMES TO UM, THE OPERATING IMPACTS OF THE FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL SITUATION THAT THE CITY FINDS ITSELF IN, IN RELATION TO THE TRE THAT DIDN'T PASS, WHICH WAS FOR OPERATING DOLLARS AS WELL AS THE MAYOR'S PLAN, AS WE'RE BUDGETING FOR A NO NEW REVENUE BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR IS WHAT HE'S MOVING FORWARD WITH.

AND THAT MEANS NO ADDITIONAL POSITIONS.

THE LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS BUILD A NICE NEW FACILITY, NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAFF AND OR CLEAN IT.

UM, WHICH IS WHY THE INITIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION REALLY FOCUSED ON PROJECTS THAT EITHER HAD SMALL ZERO OR SMALL OPERATING IMPACTS.

NOW AGAIN, THAT IS THE INITIAL DRAFT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

IF THIS GROUP THINKS THAT WE SHOULD DO NEW FACILITIES, UM, THAT IS GREAT AND THAT IS WELL WITHIN Y'ALL'S ABILITY TO DO THAT.

BUT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT COMES WITH THAT IS THE ONGOING REOCCURRING EXPENSE FOR KEEPING THOSE FACILITIES OPERATING AND MAINTAINED.

IT'S NOT JUST THE, YOU KNOW, $50 MILLION FOR A NEW LIBRARY, IT'S, YOU'RE ALSO COMMITTING TO THE ONGOING COST TO STAFF, CLEAN, MAINTAIN, KEEP THE POWER ON, KEEP THE AC RUNNING, ALL THE OTHER RECURRING COSTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT, THAT NEED TO BE ADOPTED AS A PART OF THE CITY'S OPERATING BUDGET.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE STAFF WAS.

AND AGAIN, AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN.

THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM STAFF IS AN INITIAL DRAFT RECOMMENDATION TO GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, GOING FROM A $4 BILLION NEEDS LIST TO A $750 MILLION BOND IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS LIKE I SAID THAT STAFF DID IS LIKE, WELL LET'S LOOK AT WHAT MINIMIZES OPERATING IMPACT OR HAS LITTLE OR NO OPERATING IMPACT.

AND THAT'S WHY THOSE FACILITIES AND THINGS AND WHAT WAS IN THAT LIST IS IN THAT LIST.

I DUNNO IF THAT DIRECTLY ANSWERS THE QUESTION, BUT NICOLE IT HELPS, IT HELPS.

I GUESS I HAVE THE QUESTION ON CARTER STAFF GOT BACK AND SAID THE OPERATING IMPACT WOULD BE ABOUT 1.8 MILLION MM-HMM .

AND THAT DID NOT INCLUDE FIVE ASSOCIATED FTES.

UM, THE REMAINING PROJECTS AND THERE WASN'T A, UH, THERE WASN'T AN IMPACT PROVIDED.

UH, FOR ANIMAL SERVICES JUST

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AND THERE THEY RANGE FROM 1.6 MILLION TO 2.2 MILLION AND THEY ALL INCLUDED THE FTES.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND CARVER BECAUSE IN MY NOT MIND, ESSENTIALLY IT WAS REHABBING A SPACE AND SO I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD HAVE MORE EFFICIENCY, BUT IT HAD AN OM O AND M COST OF 1.8 MILLION THAT EXCLUDED FTES.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THE OTHER FACILITIES WOULD COST LESS TO OPERATE FROM AN O AND M PERSPECTIVE AND THEY HAD RANGED FROM 12 TO 16 FTES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE NEW FACILITIES.

SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF STAFF MIGHT HAVE, IF THERE ARE DIFFERENT APPROACHES, MAYBE CERTAIN STAFF JUST CALCULATED THE FT IMPACT WITHOUT THE OM IM IMPACT CARVER, IN MY MIND, FIVE FTES IS A LOT LESS, A LOT, A LOT MORE AFFORDABLE, BUT THE O AND M IMPACT ALREADY CAME BACK AS 1.8.

SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY AND MAKE SENSE OF THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THOSE PROJECTS WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT A PLACEHOLDER ON THE O IMPACT FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES IS ABOUT 7.2 MILLION.

AND SO I JUST WONDER WHERE WOULD YOU MAKE THE CUTS TO ACCOMMODATE THAT OR WHAT WOULD BE, AS YOU THINK ABOUT FEES AND TAX RATE INCREASES, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN FOR THE TAX TAXPAYER.

AND I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING TO ALLOCATE OUR SEVEN 50 TOWARDS THOSE PROJECTS LIKE STAFF INITIALLY RECOMMENDED THAT HAD LITTLE TO NO OPERATING IMPACT.

AND I KNOW THAT'S A LOT COMING AT YOU, BUT IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THE NUMBER OF SPEED 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T JIVE WITH WHAT I INITIALLY THOUGHT.

YEP.

IN TERMS OF THE CARVER IMPACT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

YEAH, LET ME TALK TO SOME FOLKS HERE AND, AND I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

'CAUSE I, I AGREE WITH YOU AS WE LOOK THROUGH THE NUMBERS, UM, HERE, LEMME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

YEP.

SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I THINK AS A GROUP WE SHOULD STOP HERE AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE O AND M UM, THING.

'CAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT WAS JUST SHARED BECAUSE AM I HEARING THAT WE, IF WE RECOMMEND NEW BUILDINGS, THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE O AND M AND I JUST WANNA SAY, YOU KNOW, I'VE ONLY BEEN IN AUSTIN FOR 14 YEARS AND SO I'M, I'M UNDER, I'M THERE ARE, WHEN I THINK ABOUT, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE HEALTH CENTER FOR COLONY PARK AND THE LIBRARY OR ARE THEY RECOMMENDING US NOT, I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M ASKING A DUMB QUESTION, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IF THEY'RE SAYING LIKE, THAT'S A NEW FACILITY, CORRECT.

MARY, THIS IS MAYBE MORE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

WELL, YES, I THINK THOSE ARE NEW FACILITIES AND IF YOU'RE ASKING WHAT'S IN THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION IS NOT COLONY PARK, NOT NORTHEAST PUBLIC HEALTH, NOT THE PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER AND COLONY PARK OR THE LIBRARY.

I GUESS SINCE WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT IN A REAL WAY, I MEAN THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO DO THAT AT THIS MOMENT AS OPPOSED TO DELAYING IT, I THINK.

WHAT ARE PEOPLE'S THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT THAT? UH, DAVE? WELL, THE THING IS, WE ARE A GROWING CITY AND WE THINK THAT THERE ARE MORE CITIZENS HERE PAYING TAXES.

SO WE THINK THAT THERE SHOULD BE MORE MONEY TO PAY FOR NEW FACILITIES.

I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY SIMPLE, I'M, I'M BEING VERY SIMPLE ABOUT THIS, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE, THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES INVOLVED.

SO IF WE HAVEN'T HAD A BOND ELECTION IN EIGHT YEARS AND WE HAVE ONE IN 20 28, 20 26 OR IN 2028, UM, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO COVER HIGHER COSTS BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE CITIZENS PAYING TAXES FOR O AND M.

SO, AND DEPENDENT ON LEGISLATIVE CHANGES AS WELL.

OTHER THOUGHTS? UH, EVA THEN RICH? YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S LOGIC IN WHAT, JUST WHEN WHAT DAVE JUST SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT SAID OBVIOUSLY LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN A GREAT FINANCIAL POSITION AS A CITY RIGHT NOW.

UM, SO IT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FEELS A LITTLE RISKY.

UM, I I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S, OR YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE TIMING WOULD BE IF STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.

BUT, UM, ON THOSE, ON THOSE NEW FACILITIES, THOSE THREE NEW FACILITIES IN PARTICULAR THAT ARE IN THE FACILITY WORKING GROUP KIND OF SCENARIO, UM, I DO HAVE SOME CONCERN.

BUT, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION IS LIKE, UH, HOW MANY YEARS OUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TIL THAT O AND M IT'S, CAN STAFF SPEAK TO THAT? I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION.

DOES THE, THE O AND M HITS WELL AND IT'S ALSO A, A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THESE FACILITIES OPEN, RIGHT?

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SO, UM, YOU KEEP SO, OH, SORRY, ERIC BAILEY AGAIN.

UM, SO SPEAKING TO, YOU KNOW, PROJECT TIMELINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT OBVIOUSLY DEPENDS ON WHERE THE PROJECT IS IN THE EXISTING TIMELINE.

BUT IF YOU'RE STARTING FROM SQUARE ZERO, UM, GENERALLY THE SORT OF INITIAL PRELIMINARY PLANNING IS SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR.

DESIGN IS ONE TO TWO YEARS, THEN CONSTRUCTION, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY, UM, YOU KNOW, TWO TO THREE YEARS BEFORE YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE.

AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT IT IS, PROBABLY ANOTHER TWO TO THREE YEARS UNTIL THE PROJECT IS ACTUALLY COMPLETE.

OBVIOUSLY THAT COMES WITH A LOT OF CAVEATS DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

BUT WHEN THOSE OPERATING IMPACTS ARE GOING TO HIT IS GOING TO BE IN AN OUT YEAR, THAT IS A, I MEAN, THAT'S A VALID POINT.

UM, HOWEVER, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE FUTURE, SO, YEAH.

AND SO WE'RE SAYING, JUST TO MAKE SURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, LIKE THERE IS SOME POSSIBILITY THAT IF WE RECOMMEND NEW BUILDING PROJECTS, THAT IF THE OPERA O AND M ISN'T THERE, THAT THE CITY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE FACILITIES OR THAT WE CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A VERY, VERY BASIC LEVEL.

YEAH, YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AT THIS POINT.

UM, IT'S SOMETHING WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WORST CASE SCENARIO IS WE BUILD A FACILITY AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO OPEN IT.

AND SO WE WANNA AVOID THAT AT ALL COSTS, RIGHT? UM, AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE CALCULUS AS WE DO THESE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WHEN STAFF CAME FORWARD WITH THAT INITIAL DRAFT RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE REALLY EMPHASIZE PROJECTS WITH NO OR VERY LOW OPERATING IMPACT.

'CAUSE WE KNEW REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FINANCIAL FUTURE LOOKS LIKE, WE'D BE ABLE TO COVER THOSE COSTS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD.

UM, YEAH.

AND SO THAT WAS SORT OF OUR THEORY BEHIND THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING SPEC, ESPECIALLY BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT FINANCIALLY AS A CITY.

MARY, I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, UM, O AND M NEW AND THE, THE NEW FACILITIES VERSUS OLD FACILITIES.

DID THAT COVER SOME OF YOUR, I THINK YOUR QUESTION WAS NEXT ON MY, ON MY LIST.

I THINK IT WAS MORE OF A COMMENT.

ABOUT THAT.

UM, WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

ARE WE GOING THERE? OH YEAH.

FOR, I'M SO SORRY.

SO CAN WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO COULD SPEAK TO THE FUNDING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YES.

AS LONG AS WE CIRCLE BACK AROUND, UH, OH, SORRY.

RICH DIDN'T, RICH DIDN'T GET TO ANSWER, ASK HIS QUESTION, DID MAKE HIS COMMENT.

SORRY, THAT WAS MY FAULT.

NO, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

UM, THE, ONE OF THE, I GUESS THE HEADLINE IS THE STATE OF TEXAS IS KILLING LOCAL, LOCAL COMMUNITIES, UM, WITH THEIR BURDEN OF, FROM SB TWO IN 2019 WHEN WE, IF WE WERE AT AN 8% ON M AND O LIKE WE WERE PRIOR IN 2019, THESE CHALLENGE, THESE DISCUSSIONS WOULDN'T BE HAPPENING.

IT IS SOMETHING WHERE THAT WE HAVE TO, TO DEAL WITH, BUT IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.

THAT'S THE REAL CHALLENGE.

UM, WHEN WE HAVE OUR LABOR CONTRACTS ARE SET, WE HAVE MANDATES ON POLICING, WE HAVE INFLATIONARY COSTS, WE HAVE, UH, DROPPING PROPERTY TAXES, I MEAN OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

AND SO THE PROPERTY TAX THAT WE'RE COMING COLLECTING, UM, IT IS A CHALLENGE.

AND SO DO WE JUST SAY NO MORE EVER, WE'RE NEVER BUILDING FOR NEW EVER AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE ECONOMIC CONDITION WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER.

IT'S JUST I WANT EVERYBODY TO KIND OF REALLY BE FRAMED WITH WHAT, WHY WE'RE IN THIS POSITION WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE IF, LIKE, IF STATEMAN STATE STATEMAN IS WATCHING, I MEAN, TEXAS STATE GOVERNMENT IS KILLING OUR LOCAL CITIES.

NOT GOING BIG ON A TON OF NEW FACILITIES, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT'S RISKY.

CBA, YEAH.

HEAR THAT.

UM, I GUESS THE ONLY THING THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, AND THIS KIND OF, UM, TIES A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT DAVE BROUGHT UP, LIKE IT DOES FEEL A LITTLE UNFAIR, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, IF THE CITY WOULD MAYBE NOT PROVIDE ANY SERVICES TO SOME AREAS, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE NEEDING TO USE THE, THE TAX REVENUE THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE BASICALLY TO DO, IT'S NOT EXACTLY O AND M, BUT LIKE SOME OF THE, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE CAPITAL NEED SEEM TO HAVE COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF A LACK OF ROUTINE O AND M.

UM, AND I'M THINKING STREETS AND BRIDGES, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT STORM WATER HERE ON THIS MEETING.

UM, SAME THING FOR PARKS, RIGHT? SO WE'VE DEFERRED ALL OF THESE ROUTINE, UH, MAINTENANCE INVESTMENTS, UH, THAT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE COMING FROM A LOT OF THEM FROM FEEDS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BALANCE COME FROM THIS GROUP, HOPEFULLY OF LIKE

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UM, LIKE RIGHT NOW THERE ARE, THERE, THERE ARE A FEW, UM, NOT JUST IN THE FACILITIES WORKING GROUP, BUT THERE IS, THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER, YOU KNOW, ONE IN HOUSING AND I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, CENTER, UM, PROPOSAL IN THE PARKS PROPOSAL.

UM, I'D LIKE TO NARROW THAT DOWN MAYBE, BUT ALSO MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE KIND OF TRUTH IN ADVERTISING WITH THE FEES AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, RE RECOMMENDING SOME OF THE FEES GO TO AN ACTUAL APPROPRIATE LEVEL.

'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S MORE FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.

THANKS.

SO I THINK THE QUESTION THAT WE WANTED TO, UM, GO BACK TO IS HOUSING.

I FORGET THE SPECIFIC QUESTION, I THINK, RIGHT? THE, THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION BEING ZERO AND THE OBVIOUS NEED THAT WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT.

UM, SO MY NAME IS NICOLE JOCELYN.

I'M THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER OVER REAL ESTATE FOR AUSTIN HOUSING.

UM, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES.

THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, BUT I CAN SPEAK TO THE, THE SPEND PLAN THAT AUSTIN HOUSING HAS, HAS RESPONDED WITH.

SO WE'RE IN YEAR FOUR OF OUR SPEND PLAN FOR THE 350 MILLION BOND THAT WAS PASSED IN 2022.

WE HAVE COMMITTED $202 MILLION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS TO DATE.

SO THAT INCLUDES THE, UM, LAST A HFC BOARD MEETING WHERE WE AWARDED $22 MILLION TO NEW PROJECTS OUT OF THAT 2022 GEO BOND BUCKET.

UM, SO WE HAVE $144 MILLION LEFT TO, UM, APPROPRIATE FOR OR TO COMMIT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.

WE WERE ORIGINALLY ENVISIONING A FIVE YEAR SPEND PLAN FOR THAT 2022 BOND.

WE HAVE NOW RE-ENVISIONED THAT INTO A SIX YEAR SPEND PLAN THAT GETS US THROUGH 2028.

UM, AND THAT THAT'LL JUST RESULT IN A REDUCED AMOUNT OF AWARDS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT YEAR.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE TWO ROUNDS OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE ACCEPT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROPOSALS FOR GAP FINANCING.

WE ALSO USE THOSE FUNDS TO ACQUIRE LAND AND DEVELOP THAT LAND FOR THE AUSTIN HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION.

AND WE ALSO DEDICATE A PORTION OF THOSE FUNDS TO HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS. SO WE HAVE A SPEND PLAN THAT GETS US THROUGH TO 2028, THAT THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE 2022 BONDS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE HAVE OTHER FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE CAN UTILIZE FOR THOSE GAP FINANCING REQUESTS, INCLUDING PROJECT CONNECT AND OTHER GEOGRAPHICALLY SPECIFIC FUNDING SOURCES THAT COULD GO TO PROJECTS IN THEIR GEOGRAPHY TO FOLLOW.

SO, SO I WAS WRONG.

I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA RUN, WE WERE GONNA SPEND THAT MONEY THIS YEAR BY THE END OF THIS YEAR.

UM, WE HAVE ALL OF THE, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE FULL 350 MILLION APPROPRIATED IN HOUSING'S BUDGET.

WE HAVE $50 MILLION LEFT THAT NEED TO BE APPROPRIATED.

SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEND THAT MONEY WITHOUT A BUDGET AMENDMENT.

UM, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT LEVEL OF REQUESTS IN THE, THE NEXT YEAR.

SO WE HAVE 144 MILLION THAT ARE, THAT ARE UNCOMMITTED FUNDS.

BUT AT THE RATE THAT WE'RE GOING, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS.

I THINK THIS LAST ROUND OF GAP FINANCING REQUESTS IS, WAS LIKE A $68 MILLION NUMBER.

WE AWARDED A NUMBER.

YEAH, I THINK WE AWARDED A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 30 MILLION.

WE ROUTINELY GET A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN REQUESTS EVERY YEAR OVER OUR DIFFERENT FUNDING CYCLES.

UM, SO THIS'LL, WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO STRETCH IT.

UM, BUT IT, IT WILL STRETCH TO 2028.

CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP? YEAH.

SO, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT YOU HAVE SOME AMOUNT OF FUNDING NOT GREAT THROUGH 2028.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE 2026 BOND, YOU WILL NOT HAVE MONEY FOR THE FOUR YEARS.

IF YOU'RE ON THE, YOU KNOW, THE SIX YEAR CYCLE YOU WOULD RUN, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE ANY FUNDING.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE CYCLES ARE.

SO IF THIS IS, BUT IF WE, IF WE VOTED IN 2026 ON A BOND THAT DID NOT INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AFTER 2028 FOR THOSE FOUR YEARS TILL THE NEXT CYCLE, THEN THERE WOULD BE NO BOND FUNDS.

THERE WOULD BE OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY RESTRICTED.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

BUT ALSO 105 MILLION OR 150 MILLION COMPARED TO THE RATE AT WHICH WE'RE GETTING REQUESTS.

AND, AND WHAT WE'RE AWARDING WOULDN'T GET US IN THAT SIX YEAR TIMELINE EITHER.

SO MAYBE ERIC BAILEY, CAN YOU COME BACK UP AND JUST TALK TO US ABOUT THE THOUGHTS THAT THE CITY HAS ON, UH, FUNDING THOSE GAPS? AND MADAM CHAIRPERSON, COULD WE ALSO, UH, GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE GEOGRAPHICALLY RESTRICTED FUNDING THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE?

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CAN YOU, COULD YOU HELP US WITH THAT? YEAH, THANK YOU.

UM, SO YEAH, IN TERMS OF THE, THE HOUSING BOND, IT WAS, UM, REALLY ABOUT THE FUNDING THAT THEY HAVE THAT'S AVAILABLE, WORKING WITH THEM ON A PLAN, UH, TO STRETCH THAT AS FAR AS IT CAN GO.

AND AGAIN, UM, THE PRIORITIZATION THAT WE PUT FORWARD, AGAIN FROM THE INITIAL DRAFT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, FOCUSING ON, UH, THE INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE OF PROJECTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, UH, IS THE, WHAT WE WENT FORWARD WITH, UH, IN TERMS OF THAT INITIAL DRAFT RECOMMENDATION.

SO, SO THERE IS NOT SOME OTHER TYPE OF FUNDING THAT IS IN THE WORKS, OR MY EXPERTISE IS VERY MUCH NOT IN HOUSING, SO WE'D HAVE, I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO OUR HOUSING FOLKS ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, OTHER FUNDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BECOME AVAILABLE.

SO, OKAY.

SO AS OF RIGHT.

I'M SORRY TO BE LIKE, I, I JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SAY THINGS, THEY TALK ABOUT THINGS, APPARENTLY THERE IS SOME SOLUTION THAT, AND I'M NOT HEARING THAT WHAT THAT IS.

MAYBE THERE ISN'T ONE.

YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE OTHER FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR HOUSING INVESTMENTS.

SO WE DO HAVE THE, UM, COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR PROJECT CONNECT JUST PROVIDED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS OF THE SPEND PLAN FOR ANTI DISPLACEMENT FUNDS FOR REAL ESTATE.

THEY'VE DEDICATED $46.5 MILLION OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS FOR, UM, ACQUISITION DEVELOPMENT AND GAP FINANCING FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN A MILE OF THE PHASE ONE AND PRIORITY EXTENSION LINE.

UM, SO THAT'S A, A SPECIFIC GEOGRAPHY.

WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT MEET THAT GEOGRAPHY BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT FUNDING SOURCE TO INVEST IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING, UH, BUCKETS LIKE THE UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY THAT SPINS OFF FUNDS THAT GET INVESTED INTO OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHY.

WE HAVE THE HOMESTEAD PRESERVATION DISTRICT TAX INCREMENT REINVESTMENT ZONES.

UM, WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE CURRENTLY THAT, THAT HAS ABOUT $16 MILLION IN IT, FOUR PROJECTS IN THAT GEOGRAPHY.

IT'S, IT'S GENERALLY EAST AUSTIN, I BELIEVE COUNCIL IS ALSO CONSIDERING ADDING NEW HPD TOURS GEOGRAPHIES TO OUR MAP, WHICH WILL THEN ALSO BE, UM, SPINNING OFF FUNDS THAT COULD BE INVESTED IN THOSE GEOGRAPHIES.

AND THEN WE HAVE A SMALL BUCKET OF FEDERAL FUNDS THAT CAN GO TO PROJECTS BY COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION.

SO WE HAVE HOME FUNDS FROM HUD.

WE HAVE A ABOUT 1.3 MILLION AVAILABLE.

AND THOSE FUNDS, WE GET NEW FUNDS EVERY YEAR THROUGH OUR, OUR HUD FORMULA GRANT.

YOU MENTIONED 40, UM, 46 FROM THE CAC MM-HMM .

THE UNIVERSITY OVERLAY.

IS THERE A NUMBER TIED TO THAT ONE? YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE $4.9 MILLION IN THE UNIVERSITY NEIGHBORHOOD OVERLAY.

AND THEN YOU SAID 60 MILLION IN THE HOMESTEAD REINVEST 16.

THAT'S WHY I WAS LIKE 60.

UM, BUT ALSO REALLY HARD TO SPEND IN THAT GEOGRAPHY.

BUT, AND THESE NUMBERS ARE ALL ON OUR, ON THE AUSTIN HOUSING'S WEBSITE IN OUR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ASSISTANCE FUND, UM, WEBSITE.

WE UPDATE THAT WITH EACH OF OUR FUNDING ROUNDS OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH.

BUT THESE ARE ALL, UM, THESE WERE ALL KNOWN SOURCES BEFORE Y'ALL MADE YOUR REQUEST FOR THE 350 MILLION, RIGHT? THAT THESE WERE NOT, THESE ARE NOT NEW.

THESE ARE NOT NEW FUNDING SOURCES.

THIS IS ALL, THIS WAS ALL CONTEMPLATED BEFORE THEIR SPEND, ORIGINAL SPEND PLAN.

I THINK IT'S JUST HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW THOSE NUMBERS AS WE CONSIDER THE NUMBER THAT WE WANT TO RECOMMEND FOR, FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

BECAUSE THE SPENDING RATE IS IN THE AREA OF 60 TO $80 MILLION A YEAR.

AND SO OVER SIX YEARS, THAT'S $360 MILLION, RIGHT? THAT'S 60 MILLION A YEAR.

AND THAT'S JUST ON GAP FINANCING.

THAT'S NOT ACCOUNTING FOR HOME REPAIR NEEDS AND ACQUISITION.

MM-HMM .

AS WELL AS THE POSSIBILITY OF DISPOSING OF ASSETS TO KIND OF DEFRAY SOME OF THOSE COSTS FROM SORT OF ONE TIME POSSIBILITY, ONE TIME COST FROM THE FACILITIES, UM, COMPONENT.

CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO MADAM CHAIR? AND I KNOW I DON'T, RACHEL AND, AND OTHER ATTORNEYS.

I, I UNDERSTAND THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE HOUSING, THE HOMELESS SERVICES, AND MAYBE STAFF CAN FOLLOW UP WHEN THEY GET BACK TO US ON THE CARVER AND ANIMAL SERVICES.

BUT FOR THE HOMELESS SERVICE CENTER, AS IT WAS SORT OF PRESENTED, IS THAT THERE WOULD BE POTEN, THERE WAS A NEED TO CONSOLIDATE SITES AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND THAT THERE COULD BE SOME OPTIMIZATION IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO REALIZE SOME EFFICIENCIES THROUGH THE CONSOLIDATIONS OF HOMELESS, THE HOMELESS SERVICES SHELTER, UM,

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BUT IF STAFF COULD CONFIRM THAT AS WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE WANNA TAKE UP THAT DISCUSSION, WHETHER IF IT'S IN THE AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING WORKER GROUP, WHICH WE KNOW THAT TECHNICALLY IT DOESN'T ALIGN OR FACILITIES.

BUT I DO THINK THOUGH THE, THE ENTIRE BTF COULD BENEFIT FROM UNDERSTANDING THE NECESSITY, AS I UNDERSTAND, IS THAT THOSE CONTRACTS ARE COMING TO, UM, CLOSE AND THERE'S A, A NEED TO, TO FIND NEW SITES AND SUPPORT SERVICES.

AND THERE COULD BE EFFICIENCIES THROUGH CONSOLIDATION AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, THE ASSET DISPOSAL, UM, TO DEFRAY SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

AND SO STAFF COULD SPEAK TO THAT.

I THINK THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AS WE KIND OF FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE WANNA ULTIMATELY RECOMMEND.

GO AHEAD.

HI, I'M SHELLY KILDAY.

I AM WITH THE FINANCIAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND I AM THE ONE WHO SPOKE TO THE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS, UH, WORKING GROUP ON THIS TOPIC.

UM, WE ARE ACTIVELY CONSIDERING DOING A, A NEW HOMELESS SHELTER CAMPUS WHERE WE CONSOLIDATE OUR TWO DOWNTOWN SHELTERS AND ALSO THE MARSHALING YARD.

UM, THIS FUNDING WOULD PARTIALLY FUND THAT WE ARE ACTIVELY EXPLORING DOING A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, SO LEVERAGING PRIVATE DONATIONS, CORPORATIONS, UH, PHILANTHROPY IN ADDITION TO USING DOWNTOWN SITES TO FUND THE PROJECT.

SO BOND FUNDING WOULD BE JUST A PART OF THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MM-HMM .

SO THAT THE PLANNING OF THAT IS NOT BEGUN IN TERMS OF DESIGN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.

NO.

AND SO THE, THE EFFICIENCIES THAT NICOLE IS TALKING ABOUT, IS THAT A PART OF THIS WHOLE CAMPUS THING? YES.

THE, THE DOWNTOWN SHELTERS HAVE REALLY EXCEEDED THEIR USEFUL LIFE.

THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE TO RUN.

UM, THE MARSHALING YARD IS KIND OF MUCH TOO BIG IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S A WAREHOUSE, SO IT'S NOT EFFICIENT.

UM, IN TERMS OF RUNNING IT AS A SHELTER, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES.

SO BOTH IN STAFFING, UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVING TO THE ELEVATORS GO OUT AND REPLACE 'EM AT HIGH COST EVERY TIME.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF, I, I DON'T KNOW IF NET WE ARE GONNA SAVE MONEY, BUT WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO MORE WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, NICOLE? I WANTED TO LET YOU FOLLOW UP WITH ANYTHING.

AND I'M HAPPY TO, TO TALK MORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT WHEN I, WITH ANY OF THE OTHER BIFF MEMBERS WHO WEREN'T PART OF THAT SUBCOMMITTEE.

IF YOU WANNA KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS PROJECT, I'M HAPPY TO TALK, I'LL JUST REACH OUT.

AND, AND THAT WAS, IF YOU COULD CLARIFY, AND THIS GOES BACK TO MADAM CHAIR'S QUESTION, THIS, THAT WAS PART OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF UH, SORT OF THE BARE BONES SORT OF NEED TO GO PROJECTS, CORRECT? NO, I DON'T HAVE ALL MY SPREADSHEETS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT, UM, I'M, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL, UM, STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

IF I'M NOT CORRECT, IF YOU COULD JUST CONFIRM THAT IS YES.

THE ANSWER IS YES.

I JUST GOT CONFIRMATION.

EQUITY AND ACCESS? DOES THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM SERVE HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED POPULATION AND DISINVESTED NEIGHBORHOODS? DOES THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM SERVE A DOCUMENTED SERVICE GAP? IS THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM ACCESSIBLE TO ALL? DOES THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM ADDRESS ESSENTIAL HEALTH AND LIFE SAFETY? AND THEN THE NEXT PIECE DOES THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM RECEIVE PUBLIC SUPPORT? AND I KNOW THROUGH, WE JUST GOT A REPORT FROM THE CPI O'S OFFICE, BUT I THINK WE DO HAVE BETWEEN OUR INFORMATION AND THE GROUP'S INFORMATION, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION AND PARKS WERE SOME OF THE CONSISTENT CATEGORIES THAT RING TIDE.

I THINK THE ONLY OTHER STAFF QUESTION I HAD, ROBERT, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING WANTING FROM STAFF.

DID YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT YOUR, IT WAS AROUND O AND M COSTS, I BELIEVE.

DID YOU GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED FROM STAFF AT NO.

OR HITTING THE EIGHT O'CLOCK? UH, I DID.

I THINK MY, ONE OF MY MAIN QUESTION WAS IF THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES OF, RIGHT, WE, AND WE TALKED OF MONEY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, SO THANK YOU.

SO, UM, IT IS 8 0 9 AND WE HAVE GOTTEN, WELL, FIRST OF ALL I WANNA SAY I APPRECIATE EVERYONE HAVING THE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION.

THIS IS WHAT I THINK WE, WE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THIS IS TO GET YOU ALL'S THOUGHTS.

AND I FEEL LIKE THE BTIF MEMBERS WHO FELT THE NEED HAVE SHARED IT QUITE A BIT AND WE'VE DISCUSSED, BUT WE ARE AT 8 0 9 AND SO I DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO KIND OF TREK OUT THE REST OF THE TIME IF WE WANNA KEEP MOVING FORWARD THAT I'M GONNA KEEP MOVING US ALONG.

SO IF PEOPLE NEED TO GET WATER OR SNACKS, IT'S THERE.

SO WE JUST WENT THROUGH STEP ONE THAT I BUDGETED 45 MINUTES FOR.

UM, I DO THINK IN THE ENTRANCE OF TIME WE WERE GONNA JUST KIND OF WALK THROUGH THIS SELECTION CRITERIA.

UM, IT IS IN FRONT OF EVERYONE THAT'S HERE AND I THINK THAT IT IS ON, UM, IN THE EMAIL.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE BIG FOUR BUCKETS ARE THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, IS THIS PROJECT OR PROGRAM RECOMMENDED BY STAFF? DOES THIS PROGRAM PROVIDE GAP FUNDING TO COMPLETE A PREVIOUS BOND PROJECT? IS 2026 BOND THE ONLY AVAILABLE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM? AND DOES THE FUNDING FROM THE V OPEN UP OTHER NON-CITY RESOURCES OF FUNDS FOR THE PROJECT OR PROGRAM THAT WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE AVAILABLE FOR

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AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS, AS WE THINK ABOUT, UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORT.

AND I'LL ALSO A LOT OF TALK ABOUT ACQUISITION.

AND THEN LASTLY, AND I THINK SOMETHING THAT IS DEEPLY IMPORTANT IS THE ENVIRONMENTALLY BENEFICIAL THINKING ABOUT THE CARBON IMPACT AIR, WATER AND LAND POLLUTION IMPACT AND THE GREEN CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES MAXIMIZE AND OR WILDLIFE BENEFITS.

AND SO WE KIND OF WANTED TO JUST BRING THOSE UP AS WE KIND OF DID AN INFORMAL VOTE, UM, TO GAUGE SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE PACKAGE.

I DO THINK, UM, WHAT MIGHT BE USEFUL IS IF WE VOTE FOR THEM IN THE FIVE BUCKETS VERSUS ONE PACKAGE.

I THINK PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED SOME, HES, I ONLY REASON WHY I'M, I'M JUST, I ACTUALLY AM ASKING FOR NODS OR NO, THAT'S A BAD IDEA.

BUT IT MIGHT BE USEFUL IF ANY OF THE BUCKETS PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN OR IF WE WANNA DO THE WHOLE THING.

MARY, THAT WAS, I THINK WE SHOULD BE MINDFUL OF WHAT'S HELPFUL FOR US.

YEAH, I'LL GET UH, A CALL ON IN JUST JUST A MOMENT.

I THINK I'M HESITANT TO TAKE A VOTE GIVEN THE DISCUSSION.

AGREE.

IT FEELS LIKE, I AGREE.

LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, MOVEMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SATISFIED WITH THE EQUAL BUCKETS AND I DON'T, I DON'T, I WANNA BE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IT WAS NOT OUR INTENTION TO TRY TO GET APPROVAL THAT WAY.

THIS WAS THE WAY WE KICKED OFF THE DISCUSSION, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY, UH, ALL THE INPUT.

BUT I THINK IT'S CLEAR THERE ARE SOME AREAS AND I THINK IT'D BE MORE USEFUL PROBABLY TO SPEND TIME WITH ATTACKING THAT.

THE QUESTIONS.

YES, AND I HAVE THE QUESTIONS ALREADY.

I THINK I GOT OUT OF THE HOUR DISCUSSION I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS, BUT I THINK I GOT OUT OF ENOUGH TO ASK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

AND I THINK WHERE I THINK WE SHOULD START, I DO THINK THERE, OH, EVA, GO AHEAD.

BEFORE I, I DIVE INTO THE QUESTIONS FOR TWO OPTIONS AND I DIDN'T ENTIRELY UNDERSTAND, SO I WAS JUST HOPING FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE WENT FORWARD, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT GONNA DO, I DO THINK WE DON'T NEED THE, I THINK THE VOTE WAS REALLY GONNA HELP IF WE DIDN'T GET THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION, BUT WE GOT THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION.

SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO AN INFORMAL VOTE BECAUSE I THINK WE CAN TEASE OUT SOME OF THE P THE DISCUSSION.

AND SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO DO AN INFORMAL VOTE THOUGH WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO START TO IDENTIFY PIECES WHERE THERE IS CONSENSUS AND WHERE THERE IS A NEED TO, UH, HAVE A LOT OF CHANGE.

AND I THINK I WOULD LIKE US TO START OFF WITH SOME AREAS OF CONSENSUS IF WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ANY.

AND SO LOOKING, AND I DON'T NECESSARILY, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THE WHOLE PACKAGE, LIKE THE WHOLE 20%.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I THINK THERE ARE THINGS ON, ON SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE DO KIND OF AGREE AND I THINK WE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK, RIGHT? AND SO I DO WANT TO KIND OF DO THAT IN EACH GROUP, LIKE WHERE WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A LITTLE CONSENSUS, WE CAN CHANGE THE NUMBER, RIGHT? BUT I DO THINK WE WANNA START SAYING, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE'D LIKE TO BE ON THE PACKAGE.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? I FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

JC DO YOU HAVE NO.

I THINK WE SHOULD, THAT'S WHAT I'M, THIS NUMBER, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT THAT, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M ABOUT.

SO STARTING, AND I THINK THIS IS, I MEAN I THINK THIS, I I THOUGHT THAT OUR NEXT STEP WAS GOING TO BE MAKING MOTION AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING WE SHOULD DO THIS TODAY.

UM, ALL FOR WRAPPING UP.

UM, BUT MAKING MOTIONS TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE 20% PACKAGE.

UM, WELL WE'RE NOT GONNA DO A FORMAL VOTE IN ANY WAY OR CAPACITY.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GO AHEAD MARY, IF YOU WANTED TO, UH, I THINK RIGHT, WE HAVE A, THIS ITEM AS A DISCUSSION ITEM.

SO WE CAN'T ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, APPROVE.

BUT IF WE WANT TO DO, IF YOU WANNA, UM, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD TAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND YOU COULD SAY,

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THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO.

WE'RE ABOUT TO I, SO WE WERE GONNA HAVE AN INFORMAL VOTE IF WE NEEDED IT.

IT DOESN'T, WE JUST AGREED WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE AN INFORMAL VOTE.

I THINK WE HAD ENOUGH DISCUSSION TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH EACH BUCKET AND TALK ABOUT CHANGES AND HERE WHERE THERE'S CONSENSUS AND WHERE THERE IS DISAGREEMENT AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS RIGHT NOW.

AND I KNOW IN THE INTEREST OF TIME WE WERE HOPING TO TRY TO GET OUT OF HERE BY NINE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD 45 MINUTES TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THIS.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I I THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE DIVE IN? OKAY.

I WAS JUST SAYING IT'S FITTING THAT WE START WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING 'CAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

AND SO I THINK FROM ALSO LOOKING AT THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION AND THINKING ABOUT WE, I THINK THERE IS CONSENSUS THAT WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS PACKAGE.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE THAT'S KIND OF FEELING LIKE WE DON'T NEED IT.

I THINK THAT'S VERY CLEAR BASED ON WHAT THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND THE GROUP HERE, I THINK I THINK WE SHOULD DIVE INTO THAT AND JUST BE SURE THAT THAT CHECK THAT THAT ASSUMPTION, THERE WERE A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANYONE NECESSARILY VOTE, UH, SAY THAT THEY WOULD PREFER TO NOT HAVE MONEY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK TO NOT HAVING MONEY IN THE BOND FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS OUT ON THAT DISCUSSION.

SO AC AN OPPORTUNITY.

I THINK, UM, AARON, DOES THAT INCLUDE THE HOMELESS SERVICES SHELTER AS WELL OR IS THAT GONNA BE TAKEN UP AS A SEPARATE A PROPOSAL PROPOSAL? I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BE 150 MILLION.

AND FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE, WHETHER THAT GO UNDER FACILITIES OR UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT THAT BE 50 MILLION THE SECOND.

SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA DO THOSE ONE AT A TIME.

SO I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW DECIDING THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD AT LEAST BE 150 MILLION, DO WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT BLOCK OF MONEY? AND FOR THOSE WHO MAYBE AREN'T, WHO AREN'T NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN THAT AND TRY TO MAKE THESE SHORT AND TO THE POINT, NOT JUST YOU KABA, BUT JUST TO ALL OF US.

GO AHEAD KABA.

I'M NOT AGAINST IT, BUT FOR ME, I, I HAVE TROUBLE VOTING FOR PUTTING MORE MONEY UNLESS I KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.

SO I, I WOULD, IT WOULD HELP ME IF I, IF IT WAS A PROPOSAL TO TAKE FROM A CERTAIN PLACE, WE HAVE TO START WITH IDEAS AND THEN WE, WE, WE WILL GET THE NUMBER.

I THINK RIGHT NOW WE WANNA GET CONSENSUS AND WE WILL WORK ON GETTING, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET ME ON BOARD.

NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND.

I'M JUST EXPLAINING WE HAVE TO PUT STAKES DOWN AND THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP ADJUSTING NUMBERS.

WE WILL, THE MATH WILL MATH, BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT IT.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON AN AMOUNT OF MONEY BESIDES 150? I KNOW 350 MILLION WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE GROUP, FIRM GROUP, BUT WE'RE NOT, I THINK THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY ON THE TABLE.

IF YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE FUNDS.

BUT WE HEARD TONIGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO 2028 AND 150 MILLION WOULD GIVE US ANOTHER TWO YEARS SO THAT THIS GETS US TO 2030 AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION TO GO OUT FOR A SEPARATE BOND, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

SO FOR RIGHT NOW WE CAN PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 150 MILLION AND WE CAN ADJUST IT AS WE WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE OTHER NUMBERS.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT SEPARATE DIFFERENTLY? I GUESS MY THOUGHT, I AGREE WITH KAI, BUT WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? ARE, ARE WE GONNA STICK WITH THE 20% OR ARE WE GOING TO TAKE THAT FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE? I THINK I ALREADY HEARD, AND I THINK RICH CAN HELP WITH SOME OF THIS.

I THINK THERE IS ALREADY SOME ABILITY TO MAYBE SHRINK STORM WATER JUST A LITTLE BIT BASED ON SELECTING THE PROJECTS.

AND I THINK THAT ALSO WILL HELP WITH SOME OF THE, UH, EMISSIONS.

SO I MEAN I THINK WE COULD, THERE IS SOME MOVE, WE ALREADY KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MOVEMENT IN STORMWATER IF WE, IF WE SO CHOOSE AS A GROUP.

SO I ALREADY THINK WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PLACES WHERE WE COULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BASED BECAUSE I THINK STORMWATER HAD TO STRETCH TO GET TO ONE 50.

YEAH, I MEAN I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO REALLY BE CAREFUL.

THAT'S REALLY, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE THEM LURCH.

I DON'T WANT TO LIKE FORCE IT WHERE COUNCIL, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE JUST MADE IT UNSAFE FOR THE CITY, UM, BY NOT FUNDING ANYTHING.

AND THEN I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION

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I, I THINK IN ORDER TO PAY FOR OTHER THINGS, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY ONE, AND AGAIN, I'M, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY NOT THE MOST INFORMED PERSON IN THE WORLD, BUT ONE THING THAT I DID FIND MAYBE NOT TOTALLY NECESSARY HONESTLY IS THE EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, CONTRARIAN POLITICALLY INCORRECT BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE ESG IMPACT IT HAS, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

THERE'S TONS OF CHARGING STATIONS IN THE CITY.

UM, AND PEOPLE CAN BUILD SOME, YOU KNOW, OF, OF COURSE THEY HAVE THE FUNDS TO CHARGE AT HOME AND SUCH.

UM, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA STEP ANYBODY'S TOES.

THAT'S JUST ONE THING THAT I, OFF THE BAT, HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE LIKE A VERY GOOD, LIKE, UM, I MIGHT HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THAT PERSONALLY, BUT I OPEN MEETING, CORRECT.

UH, CORRECTED ON THAT .

EVA.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO OFFER A CLARIFICATION ON THAT.

UM, THE EV CHARGING IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OWNED FLEET.

UM, AND THE INTENTION WOULD ALSO BE TO RECOMMEND PRIORITIZING THE HEAVY DUTY FLEET ELECTRIFICATION, WHICH HAS NOT.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT THING.

THE, THE CITY'S BEEN MOVING FORWARD WITH FLIGHT DUTY, UH, CARS AND TRUCKS AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SAVING THE CITY A LOT OF MONEY.

UM, SO THAT'S I THINK SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO, THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT O AND M COST.

UM, WHILE THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ON ITS OWN, UH, IS A COST, IT IS WHAT ENABLES THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE PURCHASES AND THOSE SAVE THE MONEY.

SO AGGREGATED THOSE INVESTMENTS, UH, SAVE THE CITY MONEY, UH, NOT JUST EMISSIONS, BUT ALSO CASH DOLLARS.

AND WE'RE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK TO YOU ALL'S POINT ABOUT WHERE WE'RE THE 45, IF WE GO TO ONE 50, THAT MEANS WE'RE LOOKING FOR 45 MILLION IN THE EV CHARGERS, JUST 6 MILLION.

I WOULD PROPOSE WE DON'T FUND THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE AT THIS POINT, GIVEN THAT IT'S NOT IN DESIGN AND IT IS STILL BEING, UH, DISCUSSED IN TERMS OF ALTERNATIVES, PHILANTHROPIC ALTERNATIVES, AND THEN THAT WOULD GO AHEAD.

WE'RE BOUNCING BETWEEN A COUPLE OF TOPICS HERE, BUT, UM, BUT ON THE TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP, ONE OF THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, I DON'T THINK IT WAS PARTICULARLY RESOLVED, IT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESOLVE IT NOW, WAS WHETHER THERE WERE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE, UM, ELECTRIC CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE IT WAS, BUT MAYBE THERE WAS.

UM, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR CRITERIA HERE, STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS SIGNIFICANT AND WE JUST DIDN'T, COULDN'T SEE THAT IN OUR, UM, IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THAT LINE ITEM TO ANDREW'S POINT ABOUT, UH, MAYBE SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET SOME INPUT INTO THAT IF WE COULD.

I KNOW WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT PHASE HERE, BUT THAT WAS AN UNANSWERED QUESTION IN THE WORKING GROUP.

DID YOU ALL NEVER GOT ANSWERED.

WE HAD A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ABOUT WHETHER IT WAS ACTUALLY ANSWERED OR NOT.

YOU, IT DOES NOT SHOW.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR SPREADSHEET, WE'RE NOT SHOWING ANY STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT LINE ITEM, BUT THERE WAS A BELIEF THAT THERE WAS, IT WAS REFLECTED IN OTHER THINGS WITHIN CITY.

THE FUTURE ONCE, I MEAN THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE PRETTY ENORMOUS DETAILS AND IT'S, IT'S AN, IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT CONTROVERSIAL PROJECT.

SO WE'RE, OKAY.

SO I DO THINK SOMEONE JUST BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF NOT KEEPING THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHETHER IT'S UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR IN FACILITIES.

BUT I DIDN'T REALLY NECESSARILY HEAR THAT TONIGHT, BUT I'M, I'M NOT SO SURE.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY PAUSE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF FELT WAS NECESSARILY DUE TO, YOU KNOW, CURRENT SITUATIONS, CIRCUMSTANCES BEING CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, UP AGAINST THE WALL IN TERMS OF PROVISION OF SERVICES.

IF THEY COULD JUST CLARIFY THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN HONESTLY, I MEAN EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING IS HAS TO BE A CONSIDERATION WHEN WE HAVE INFINITE NEED AND A FINITE RESOURCES.

WE'VE GOTTA REALLY BE THOUGHTFUL.

IT LOOKS LIKE DONALD HAS A THOUGHT.

YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT, ABOUT THIS AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ANSWERED.

IT, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE, THE FACILITY IS STILL BEING, UH, PLANNED AND IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A SITE HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE CONSOLIDATED RELOCATION, WHICH TO ME DOESN'T, I MEAN, IT'S STILL AN ESSENTIAL THING TO DO, WHICH I RECOGNIZE, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT THAT, GIVEN THAT BEING, IF THOSE ARE, IF THOSE ARE THE, IF THOSE ARE THE CASES THAT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT MORE APPROPRIATE TO LOOK AT THROUGH LIKE A CO IN

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SO, UM, WITHOUT KNOWING, WITHOUT HAVING LIKE A SITE IDENTIFIED, WITHOUT HAVING A PLAN OR DESIGNS OR ANYTHING, IT SEEMS EARLY IN THE STAGE TO RIGHT TO INCLUDE IT, ALLOCATE THAT MUCH BOND CAPACITY GIVEN HOW MUCH WE'VE GOT WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK COULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED THROUGH OTHER, OTHER FINANCING NEEDS IN THE, IN THE FUTURE THROUGH COS OR SOMETHING ALONG WITH THE LEVERAGED, UH, PHILANTHROPY.

BUT THAT'S, I DON'T WANT, THAT'S A KIND OF A BROAD QUESTION.

IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S A FEASIBLE OR MAKES ANY SENSE.

I CAN I CAN I DO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION ON THAT? DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD, WELL SHELLY, ARE YOU ABOUT TO, ARE YOU ABOUT TO LEAVE? NO.

CAN WE ASK? CAN YOU, CAN YOU, I JUST WANNA, I WANTED SOME, A QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT THE STRATEGY OFFICE, UH, JUST SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THIS GOING AND THEN RICH, I'LL, I PROMISE WE'LL GET TO YOUR QUESTION.

I THINK HOW MUCH, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE, NICOLE'S QUESTION WAS, IS THERE AN URGENCY GIVEN THE EXPIRATION OF SOME CONTRACTS RELATED TO THE HOMELESS SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE? SHE'S STATING THAT WAS THE CASE.

THE URGE THERE IS URGENCY AND THAT WOULD BE WELL, IT HAS TO DO WITH THE USE OF THE MARSHALING YARD.

OH, BECAUSE THE CONTRACT ENDS AND THEY'RE NOT RENEWING, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC.

SO I WOULD RATHER GET BACK TO YOU WITH THE ANSWER.

OKAY, THAT'S FAIR ON THAT.

BUT YES, THERE, THERE IS URGENCY.

COULD, UH, COULD, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? AND I WOULD PRESUME, AS YOU IMAGINE DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL SITE LOCATIONS IS, IS IT'S IT'S VERY TIGHT TO THE CHEST.

VERY BECAUSE IN, AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT LEVEL OF ANY, LIKE EVEN YOU COMMITTING THAT THERE'S A SITE IN PLACE COULD THROW THINGS OFF THE RAILS.

SO I JUST, WE JUST TREAD LIGHTLY.

THAT'S ALL I'M SUGGESTING, MADAM CHAIR.

ANYTHING ELSE? OH YEAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

SO I THINK, UM, MARY HAD SUGGESTED THAT, AND I GUESS I WAS, I FEEL LIKE SOME PEOPLE WERE NODDING YES, BUT THEN I'M, I HEAR THERE'S SOME CONCERN, SO I I, WE REALLY DIDN'T GET TO THE ANSWER ABOUT WHETHER WE'D BE INTERESTED IN NOT HAVING THAT IN THE PACKAGE.

SO I GUESS RICH, I'LL LET YOU KIND OF CHIME IN.

YOU WERE NEXT AND THEN RACHEL.

YEAH, IT WAS JUST, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HATE SETTING MONEY ASIDE FOR PLANNING, WHICH I, I DON'T AGREE WITH, BUT MAYBE THAT'S THE COMPROMISE IN THIS INSTANCE THAT THERE'S SOME SET ASIDE EITHER FOR FEASIBILITY STUDIES FOR THE CONSULTANT OR GOING TO, YOU KNOW, INITIAL DESIGN, UM, CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.

I, I THAT WOULD BE WHAT I'M PROPOSING.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE RICH IS SAYING WE HE IS INTERESTED IN KEEPING IT ALL RIGHT RACHEL.

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.

I'M, I'M INTERESTED IN SHRINKING IT DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY.

SORRY.

AND, AND SAVINGS, JUST THE MONEY FOR FEASIBILITY OR DESIGN, HOW, WHATEVER IT IS.

AND SO THAT WAY THE THE, THE GROUP CAN CONTINUE THEIR WORK AND LOOKING AT HOW THEY'RE GONNA PUT THIS THING TOGETHER, WHAT THAT PERFORMER LOOKS LIKE.

WE CAN GET, SEE IF WE CAN GET NEW NUMBERS.

AND RACHEL, YEAH, I JUST WAS ALSO UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IT WAS OF GREAT URGENCY AND THAT'S WHY IT KIND OF POPPED UP AND WAS A MAJOR NEED ALL OF A SUDDEN.

UM, SO I JUST, I DO WANNA GET THAT INFORMATION BACK BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION.

SO I FEEL LIKE WE NEED A, A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOMELESS, HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE AND EVEN THINKING ABOUT IF WE CAN TO RICH'S POINT, IF WE COULD JUST HELP SUPPORT THE PLANNING PART, WHAT WOULD THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT BE? IT'S GOOD DATA TO HAVE AT LEAST OKAY.

BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS ABOUT IN OR OUT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, CONFIRMING THE URGENCY AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SITE DETAILS OR THAT, THAT ARE GONNA MAKE US ALL SORT OF COMFORTABLE, BUT MAYBE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MEET HALFWAY AND DO THE FEASIBILITY AS RICH SORT OF PROPOSED AS A SORT OF IN LIEU OF, OR RECOGNIZING THE NEED BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS, WE DON'T WANT THE SERVICES TO GO AWAY.

UM, BUT WE DEFINITELY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THOUGHTFUL AND ALSO THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES ON THE ASSET PIECE.

YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF COULD THERE BE SOME REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES, UM, FROM THIS AND, AND SORT OF CONSERVATIVE BUT REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT THEY COULD BE.

AND OPEN SPACE, ARE THERE ANY THOUGHTS AROUND ANY CHANGES TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACE? AND THAT COULD BE, IF YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND WE, THAT WE SHOULD AS A BTF INCREASE IT SLIGHTLY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, MOVING ON TO PARKS AND OPEN SPACE.

I THINK IF, UM, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO PIECES OF THE PARK AND OPEN SPACE.

SO I DO THINK, UM, IN TERMS OF ADJUSTMENTS TO PARK

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UM, I THINK THOSE, UM, IDEAS CAN BE PROPOSED NOW, KABA, UM, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD INCREASE THE AQUATICS, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY AT LEAST DOUBLE IT.

UM, THE NUMBERS THAT WE KEEP HEARING MAKE ME THINK MORE THAN DOUBLE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

UM, SO, UH, I GUESS WHATEVER, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM, BUT I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE INCREASED.

UM, I'M ALSO NOT SOLD ON THE 10 MILLION FOR THE, UM, FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.

WHAT WE WERE TOLD IS THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE SPACE BEING MADE AVAILABLE MOST OF THE TIME NOW, THE SUMMER SEEMS TO BE A STICKING POINT, BUT THE MULTIPLE OTHER SPACES, UM, NOT AT THE REC CENTER, BUT OTHER SPACES IN THE AREA HAVE BEEN OFFERED FOR THOSE SENIOR ACTIVITIES.

UM, AND I REALIZE THEY, THEY MAY NOT BE THE DREAM, YOU KNOW, UH, BUT I THINK A, A LOT OF DREAMS ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO BE SET ASIDE OR DEFERRED RIGHT NOW.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TO MY EYE, IF IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITY SPACES BEING MADE AVAILABLE, I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING.

SO I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE ANOTHER 10 MILLION THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR POOLS.

I WOULD, I WOULD PUT IT THERE.

UM, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER PLACES I'D RATHER PUT IT AS WELL.

SO FIRST, SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TOTAL OPPOSITE DIRECTION OR NOT.

WAIT, THERE'S TWO THINGS I WANNA FOLLOW UP HERE FOR THE AQUATICS.

IS THERE LIKE ANOTHER, WHAT'S THE NEXT, I JUST WAS ASKING FOR THE COM UH, WORKING GROUP.

IS THERE ANOTHER POOL THAT WOULD BE NEXT IN LINE? IF YOU ALL HAVE THAT DOLLAR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL WOULD HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD, BUT IT'S LIKE THERE ANOTHER POOL THAT WOULD BE NEXT IN LINE, GARRETT.

WELL, IT, IT IS BEST TO BRING IN STAFF AND HOW THEY WOULD PRIORITIZE IT, HOW I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN IN JUST MY MEMORY OF IT.

SO, AND WHAT CAME FROM, UH, CAPITAL RIVER SERVICES, GARRISON'S 30 MILLION, BIG STACY'S 10 MILLION AND MARTIN WAS 12 MILLION.

BIG STACY DOES BECOME AN ENVIRONMENTAL 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY, WE WERE HEATING THE POOL AND IT WOULD NO LONGER NEED TO EAT THE POOL AFTERWARDS.

UM, BUT GARRISON AND TO ME MARTIN SEEMED TO BE PRETTY IMPORTANT.

SO IT SOUNDS, AND I, I WOULD DIVERT TO STAFF, SO I'M GONNA LET STAFF SPEAK, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE EVEN THE POOLS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR LIST ARE NOT FUNDED TO THE RECOMMENDATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

HI, UH, LIANA VOCA, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, UH, AUSTIN PARK CENTER CREATION.

WE HAVE, UM, AS GUIDANCE THE AQUATIC PLAN THAT, UH, COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AND THE, BASED ON THAT AND THE, UM, ANALYSIS AND THE EVALUATION OF THE POOLS AT THE TIME, WE HAVE A LIST OF POOLS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO FAIL, UH, WITHIN THE, THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

UH, AND IT'S A WONDER HOW THEY HAVEN'T FAILED ALREADY.

SO WE KNOW THAT THE NEXT UH, PULL UP ON THAT LIST IS GARRISON POOL, WHICH IS A DISTRICT POOL.

UH, WE, UM, HAVE ALSO IDENTIFIED IN THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED THAT CTAN IS ALSO A FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.

BIG STACY HAS, UH, ISSUES AND OF COURSE THERE IS THE UNPREDICTABILITY THAT AT ANY GIVEN POINT, SOME OTHER POOL FOR SOME REASON, UM, MAY FAIL AND WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT WORK DONE TO BRING IT BACK OR WE WILL HAVE TO CLOSE IT.

SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE, UM, PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE AMOUNT FOR AQUATICS, WE ARE INCLUDING A PORTION OF THE FUNDING THAT COULD BE USED FOR CRITICAL FAILURES THAT COULD BE, UM, ADDRESSED THROUGH REPAIRS AND NOT A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF THE POOL.

AND SO THEN MY QUE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS, IS THAT SOME OF THE AQUATIC, UH, NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE ONLY FUNDS A PORTION.

WOULD IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO FULLY FUND THE POOLS WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS PRIORITIES OR ADD A DIFFERENT ONE? I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE GARRISON ONE ISN'T FULLY FUNDED AT THE MAX AMOUNT THAT IT NEEDS PER SE.

AND I THINK, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE QUESTION.

IF WE'RE WE WERE GOING TO ADD MORE MONEY TO WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, WOULD IT BE BETTER TO FUND WHAT THE

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TOP THREE FIRST OR TO ADD AN ANOTHER POT OF MONEY FOR A DIFFERENT POOL, JUST YOUR BEST RECOMMENDATION? NO.

SO DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING FOR GARRISON, WHICH IS A LARGE POOL REPLACEMENT, WE ARE ESTIMATING THAT WE WILL NEED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 24 MILLION POOLS ARE, WE USUALLY TRY TO, UM, ADJUST THE SCOPE TO THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE.

BUT WITH A POOL IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

WE CANNOT HAVE HALF OF A POLL.

UM, THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO FUND.

SO IF THE FUNDING COMES FOR 20 MILLION, THAT MEANS THAT GARRISON WILL PROBABLY WANT, WILL NOT MOVE FORWARD AND WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT POLL AND WE WILL HAVE FUNDING FOR CRITICAL FAILURES.

UM, IF THE FUNDING COMES AT 30 MILLION, THEN GARRISON COULD MOVE FORWARD AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDING FOR TO SEE HOW WE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT THROUGH THE, UH, THE YEARS OF THE BOND.

DOES THAT MAKE, YEAH.

THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, ONE, ONE SLIGHT THING, AND THIS IS PICKING UP WHAT RICH'S RECOMMENDATION WAS, AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THEY ONLY RECOMMENDED 25 MILLION FOR THE HOMELESS SHELTER.

SO WE COULD ACCEPT STAFF'S INITIAL RECOMMENDATION AND BUY OURSELVES SOME BREATHING ROOM JUST AS A COMMENT.

AND THEN, SO THAT WAS TO HANDLE THE POOL.

AND THEN JUST FOR THE GUS GARCIA DISCUSSION, I THINK FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND OBVIOUSLY I WAS NOT ON THE FACILITIES WORK GROUP LIKE YOU WERE , BUT I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FUNDING THINGS NORTH, NORTH OF 1 8 3, I THOUGHT IT WAS TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING TO HELP SUPPORT THE SENIOR SERVICES AS STILL CONTINUING TO ALLOW IT TO FUNCTION A LITTLE BIT BETTER BETWEEN IT BEING MULTIUSE, LIKE TO HELP IT BE MORE MULTIUSE.

IS THAT NOT CORRECT IN WHAT THE FUNDING IS FOR? I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WAS ACTUALLY IN THE PARKS WORKING GROUP, JUST FYI OH, PARK LINE.

UM, BUT IT, IT IS FOR BUILDING A, A PHYSICALLY NEW EXTENSION TO THE BUILDING.

SO I FORGET IT.

IT WAS PRETTY BIG.

UM, MAYBE SOMEBODY REMEMBERS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT, UM, SORRY, I CAN, AND IT WAS, THE ORIGINAL REQUEST WAS 30 SOMETHING MILLION, RIGHT? FOR THAT I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I KNOW IT WAS MORE THAN WE, WHICH PROJECT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GUS GARCIA.

I WAS JUST TRYING TO CONFIRM THAT IT WAS TO HELP IMPROVE THE CURRENT, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT CURRENTLY OPERATES, BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS WAS TO HELP IT OPERATE BETTER.

AND THAT WAS, I I GOT CONFUSED ON WHICH GROUP WE WERE ON.

MY APOLOGIES.

AND SO WE WERE JUST CONFIRMING WHAT THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR 30 MILLION AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING FOR 10 MILLION.

YEAH, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IT WASN'T JUST LIKE ADJUSTMENTS OR RENOVATIONS TO THE BUILDING.

IT WAS BUILDING A NEW EXTENSION.

SO THE GAS GARCIA RECREATION CENTER HAS A LOT OF, UM, IT, IT SERVES A LARGE AREA, UM, THAT IS IN NEED OF THOSE FACILITIES.

WE KNOW FOR, WE HAD A FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT IDENTIFIED THAT THE SENIOR CENTER IN NORTH AUSTIN IS A CRITICAL NEED FOR THE CITY.

UM, AND UM, THAT'S WHY THAT IS OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SENIOR CENTER.

THE ESTIMATE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 MILLION.

AND THE PROJECT IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE CAN ADJUST SOMEWHAT THE SCOPE IF WE HAVE SOMETHING CLOSER TO 20 MILLION RATHER THAN 30.

BUT THIS IS AN ADDITION.

SO THIS IS A WING THAT'S GONNA BE ADDED PRIMARILY BECAUSE THE SENIORS FIND IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, FOR EXAMPLE, DURING THE SUMMER TO FIND SPACE TO USE IN DIRECT CENTER OR THERE ARE OTHER, UM, EVENTS AND FUNCTIONS THAT, UM, RELOCATE THEM AND THEY DON'T HAVE MANY ALTERNATIVES IN IN THAT AREA.

NOW, WHEN WE ARE SUGGESTING FOR AN EXTENSION SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 20 AND 30 MILLION, 10 MILLION WILL NOT BE FEASIBLE.

AND THIS IS NOT A INNOVATION PROJECT, THIS IS A, A NEW WINK FOR THE SENIORS.

AND A LOT OF OUR ACTIVE MEMBERS ARE ACTUALLY IN THE SENIOR PROGRAM THERE.

SO I THINK, CAN I ADD TO THAT? GO AHEAD.

WELL, WE'RE ON IT.

UM, SO JEREMY HENDRICKS HERE AND I'M UH, ACTUALLY PRESIDENT OF THE WINDSOR HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT TO JUST NORTH OF GUS GARCIA REC CENTER.

SO WE ACTUALLY MEET THERE, UM, DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, WE'RE OFTEN KICKED OUT OF, UH, BEING ABLE TO MEET THERE ACTUALLY THOUGH, BECAUSE OF THE SAME REASON.

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SO WHEN THEY'RE HAVING THE YOUTH PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED, AND THEY DO ALL AGES AND EVERYTHING FROM CULINARY TO ART PROGRAMS, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, IT'S AMAZING, UH, FACILITY.

BUT THE SENIORS, THE SENIOR, UH, NUTRITION PROGRAM, UH, THE SENIOR EXERCISE PROGRAM ALL CEASES.

AND SO WE HAVE A HIGH POPULATION OF SENIORS IN THIS AREA.

AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, WE DON'T HAVE A LIBRARY, WE DON'T HAVE A POOL, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER FACILITIES IN THIS AREA.

GUS GARCIA IS REALLY OUR ONE OUTPOST.

AND SO IT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED THAT WE, UM, INCREASE THAT.

AND TO HEAR THAT THE 10 MILLION SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH MAKES ME, UH, AS SOMEONE SAID EARLIER, THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO PUT MORE FUNDING THERE TO REALLY SERVE THIS UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY UP HERE AND FAST GROWING BECAUSE PIONEER HERE, PIONEER HILLS IS GROWING RIGHT ACROSS THE SAW HERE, LIKE CRAZY.

AND UM, THOSE FOLKS ARE ALSO USING THAT SAME FACILITY.

YEAH, IN THE FIRST HALF WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO I KNOW THAT SOMEONE WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE TAKE IT OFF.

I DO THINK WE ARE AT A POINT WHERE IT SOUNDS LIKE 10 MILLION ISN'T ENOUGH AND SO WE EITHER WOULD NEED TO FUND IT AT 20 MILLION OR IT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WHERE WE WOULD TAKE THE BUCKET OF.

SO I DO THINK IT'S WORTH US GOING AHEAD AND CHECKING THE PULSE HERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA WASTE OUR TIME.

HOW, I MEAN, THIS IS THE KIND OF POINT WHERE WE CAN DO JUST AN INFORMAL VOTE JUST SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD TRACK OF WHERE WE ARE.

GO AHEAD, GARY.

SO I, I'LL, I, I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT ADDING TO THE, THE REC, SENIOR CITIZEN IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, UM, AS WELL AS TO AQUATICS.

AND I'LL JUST ADD THE THIRD, UM, IN, IN THE, FOR THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE WOULD BE, UM, PARKLAND ACQUISITION.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE VALUE PROPOSITION FOR ACQUISITION DOLLARS TODAY VERSUS EIGHT YEARS OR 16 YEARS FROM NOW.

AS WELL AS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I BELIEVE SCORES REALLY HIGHLY IN THE, WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR, UM, DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT O AND M AND FTES REALLY ASSOCIATED THOSE KIND OF COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH ACQUISITION OF PARK LAND SPACE.

AND I THINK, UM, AND ANYONE, AND MARY YOU WANNA CHIME IN HERE TOO.

I DO THINK THERE ARE PLACES THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

I MEAN, I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS O AND M AND WE HAVE FOUR FACILITIES THAT ARE NEW.

AND SO BEFORE WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT TODAY BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, THIS IS, IS PROBABLY WOULD NEED TO BE MAYBE DISCUSSION ITEM ONE NEXT TIME.

BUT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING AND IS THAT THERE IS SOME DESIRE TO UP PARKS AND OPEN SPACES AND POTENTIALLY WE ARE HAVE TO CONSIDER WHICH FACILITIES AND ASSETS WE'D WANNA MOVE FORWARD.

'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WITH THE O AND M DISCUSSION IF WE WANNA KEEP ALL FOUR.

I'M JUST PUTTING THAT, I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT I THINK THAT'S, IF I'M HEARING, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THIS IS A POTENTIALLY A BIG DISCUSSION POINT.

IS THAT, WELL, I, I FRANCIS IF I MAY, I MEAN, WELL I THINK IT, ONCE WE GET CLOSE TO WHERE WE WANNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ONN IMPACT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST IS PART OF ADVANCING THAT DISCUSS IS ADVANCING THAT INFORMATION ALONG WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL.

BUT UM, LIKE JUST LOOKING AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? THE AQUATICS DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OM IMPACT, RIGHT? 'CAUSE YOU'RE REDOING THEM AND MAKING THEM BETTER AND THE, THERE'S NO IT, AT LEAST FROM THE INITIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT I IN FOLLOW UP, IF WE COULD HAVE FOR THE, UM, GUS GARCIA, THE REC CENTER, IT DOES HAVE AN O AND M IMPACT.

AND SO IF WE COULD KNOW THAT AS WELL AS WE, YOU KNOW, , DO YOU HAVE THAT? ALL THE THINGS? DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW? NO, I'M SAYING IF STAFF COULD PROVIDE THAT AS IF, AS WE'RE GETTING FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS ASKED.

IF THEY COULD GIVE US THE O AND M IMPACT OF THE EXTENSION OR THE ADDITIONAL, UH, SPACE AT GAS GARCIA, WHAT THE OWN, THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE COST WOULD BE AND STAFF IMPACT THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

BUT THE AQUATICS SPACE INDICATE WOULD NOT HAVE AN O AND M BUDGETARY IMPACT.

JUST FYII THINK WE HAVE A STAFF COMING UP HERE.

THE ESTIMATED, UH, COST FOR I AND M FOR GAS GARCIA IS 1.365 AND THAT INCLUDES SEVEN NEW FTES FOR UH, OPERATING THE EXTENSION, THE EXPANSION WING.

AND YOU'RE CORRECT, IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF A POOL.

SO AT LEAST AT THIS POINT IT IS UH, NEUTRAL.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S A GREAT POINT.

THANKS NICOLE.

UM, ADVOCATED FOR AND GOT MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO DO A TEMPORARY BUILDING AT GUS GARCIA.

AND THEN WELL PARKLAND ACQUISITION DOESN'T HAVE O AND M, SO I JUST WANNA, SO CAN I ASK A, A QUESTION OF STAFF? SORRY, THAT I JUST THOUGHT OF.

GO AHEAD.

SO, UH, JEREMY HENDRICKS AGAIN, SO A FEW, UH, WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS WE ACTUALLY CHEETO,

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THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE.

THAT WAS, I DON'T REMEMBER, SEVEN, 8 MILLION LET'S SAY IT, BUT STAFF CAN MAYBE CLARIFY THAT THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE YET.

SO IS THAT BEING THOUGHT ABOUT AS FAR AS SUPPLEMENTING THAT FUNDING TO BE COUPLED WITH WHATEVER WE COULD GET HERE TO GET US TO THE POINT THAT MAKES IT, THAT A VIABLE, UM, NEW PROJECT SINCE THAT HASN'T BEEN BUILT YET? THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT CAME TO MIND.

SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE CAN HAVE SOME KIND OF A TEMPORARY FACILITY? NO, THE TEMPORARY BUILDING HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AT GUS GARCIA.

IT JUST HASN'T BEEN INSTALLED YET.

IT WAS IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE.

UM, AND IT, AGAIN, IT WAS OVER FIVE, LESS THAN 10 I THINK MILLION, UH, FOR A TEMPORARY BUILDING FOR THE SENIORS IT WASN'T GONNA BE ENOUGH.

BUT I'M SAYING SINCE THAT HASN'T ACTUALLY BEEN BUILT, BUT IT WAS BUDGETED FOR, CAN THAT BE COUPLED WITH FUTURE BOND MONEY TO GET US TO THE POINT TO ACTUALLY DO GUS GARCIA LIKE WE WANT OR GET US TO THE 20 MILLION ET CETERA.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT TEMPORARY FUNDING WAS FOR PORTABLES AND IT WAS CLOSE TO 500,000.

SO WAS THAT ALL THAT IT WAS? YES.

AND OKAY, WELL, SO I GUESS THE QUESTION REMAINS THOUGH, THAT'S 500,000, 500,000, COULD THAT MONEY, SINCE IT HASN'T BEEN DONE, COULD IT BE COUPLED WITH FUTURE BOND MONEY TO GET US CLOSER TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE? YES.

WE ARE ACTUALLY USING THAT FUNDING TO HAVE THE DESIGN FOR THE FACILITY SO THAT WE MOVE FORWARD.

I HAVE SOMETHING REALLY QUICK, JUST KIND OF FURTHER TO THAT TYPE OF, OF THINKING.

UM, WHEN I LOOK AT THE 20% RECOMMENDATION FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, I COMPARE IT TO THE STAFF INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, UH, BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS OR WHAT ARE CALLED BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE 20% RECOMMENDATION, UH, THE 20% RECOMMENDATION, $10 MILLION MORE THAN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO I WOULD JUST, I'D JUST BE CURIOUS IF MAYBE SOMEBODY ON THE, THE PARKS, UH, AN OPEN SPACE TASK FORCE OR A, A BREAKOUT GROUPING, TALK TO THAT $10 MILLION DELTA.

I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO SEVERAL THINGS.

ONE, THE MAIN PIECE OF THAT, BUT IS THE, IS THE CENTRAL MAINTENANCE FACILITY.

AND IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE SOMEONE DISCUSS THE MINIMUM, I THINK THE MINIMUM ON THE, THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY WAS 55 MILLION AND WE ADDED ADDITIONAL 10 FOR GIVENS REC CENTER AND OTHER LARGE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NECESSARY IN SOME OF THE OTHER EXISTING BUILDINGS.

GARY DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? OKAY.

AND GIVENS IS AN, IS A PLACE IN WHICH WE WOULD BE IMPACTING WHEN WE THINK ABOUT EQUITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

CORRECT.

IS THAT WHY YOU ALL ADDED THAT? OR IS IT MORE ALSO HAD A CRITICAL, I BELIEVE ROOF ISSUE.

CRITICAL BUILDING ISSUE.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO ASK.

SO IF I COULD JUST, I, I'VE BEEN PLAYING WITH THESE NUMBERS AS WE GO AND IF WE WERE TO FUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT 150 MILLION HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE AT 25 MILLION FULLY FUND GUS GARCIA AND MOVE THE AQUATICS PROGRAM TO 30 MILLION, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A, UH, WE'RE ABOUT $40 MILLION OVER.

SO JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVING THINGS, I KNOW WE'VE ONLY GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE CATEGORIES, BUT JUST KIND OF WRAP.

AND THAT'S 79, THAT'S 790 MILLION, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? RIGHT.

790 100,000 RIGHT NOW.

DONALD.

UM, I WAS JUST HOPING, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE NEXT CATEGORY.

UH, COULD, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEONE FROM THE FACILITIES WORK AND ASSETS WORKING GROUP COULD SPEAK TO THE, THE NORTHEAST PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER AND THE LEVEL OF URGENCY.

WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE OTHERS, BUT, AND I WAS JUST READING THROUGH THE DESCRIPTION OF THAT PROJECT AND IT SEEMS LIKE THOSE ARE HAPPENING IN AN EXISTING FACILITIES.

SO IT'S A CONSOLIDATION PLAN BUT, AND REQUIRES PURCHASE OF SUBSTANTIAL ACREAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO JUST IN TERMS OF URGENCY AND, AND WHERE THAT IS.

BUT, BUT BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THAT, ARE WE, CAN WE WRAP PARK LAND UP AND MOVE ON TO FACILITIES? AND I SAID I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S HAND WAS RAISED.

'CAUSE I, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I DO THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE DISCUSSION.

BUT IF, WAS THERE ANYTHING PRESSING FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE ONLINE? 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOOD HERE.

BACK IN 2010, WE RUN A TERRO, UH, EPIDEMIOLOGY, UH, MORTALITY, UH, SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH STUDY.

I THINK YOU WERE WALKING UP TOWARDS HERE.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

UH, MY NAME, I'M A FACILITIES PLANNING MANAGER WITH AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH.

AND I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS FOR THE URGENCY FOR NORTHEAST PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER, UH, FOR BOTH OF OUR PROPOSALS.

UH,

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AND WE FOUND OUT THAT THOSE FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS IN OUR CITY, UH, HAVE HUGE DISPARITIES, ESPECIALLY IN THE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND LOW INCOME CLIENTS.

UM, NUMBERS WERE STAGGERING THREE TIMES THE, THE AVERAGE.

UH, AND SO WE DECIDED THAT TO PROPOSE FOUR FACILITIES, DOVE SPRINGS, MONIS, COLONY PARK, AND, UH, RUNDBERG AREA NORTHEAST CENTER.

SO IN 2012, UH, WE RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL APPROVED, UH, THAT WAS A MONIS CENTER.

UM, WE BILLED IT IN TIME WITHIN BUDGET, UH, WITHIN SEVEN YEARS FROM THE BOND TO OPENING THE FACILITY IN 2018.

OUT OF THOSE THREE REMAINING, WE RECEIVED, UH, ONE PROPOSAL THAT WAS DOVE SPRINGS.

WE BUILT IT WITHIN SIX PLUS YEARS, AGAIN WITHIN TIME IN THE BUDGET.

SO NOW TWO REMAINING ARE COLONY PARK AND THE NORTHEAST OR BERG AREA, UM, SITUATION THERE IN TERMS OF MORTALITY, UH, SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH, UM, ACTUALLY WORSENED BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE OUR CLIENTS MIGRATED FROM.

GENTRIFIED AREAS, MORE AFFLUENT AREAS AND FOCUS THERE.

UM, AND FOR THEM TO REACH, UM, OUR CLOSEST CENTER, ESPECIALLY IF YOU, UH, CALCULATED THEY GO BY BUS, UM, IT'S OVER HOUR OF TRAVEL TIME ONE WAY.

SO, UH, UH, WE BELIEVE IT'S VERY URGENT AND, UH, THAT WOULD KIND OF ANSWER THAT.

I WANNA TAKE MY, UH, OH, DID YOU WANNA ASK HIM ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH.

UH, WHEN I SAY, WHEN I SAY URGENCY, I MEANT MORE SPECIFICALLY WHEN I WAS READING THE DESCRIPTION.

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROGRAMS THAT THAT WOULD HOUSE ARE CURRENTLY HOUSED IN OTHER FACILITIES.

SO, SO THEY'RE NOT, IT'S, IT'S, SO IT WOULD BE A CONSOLIDATION TO REALIZE THIS PLAN OF WHICH YOU'VE BUILT TWO CENTERS ALREADY AND CURRENTLY PROPOSING FUNDING FOR THE OTHER TWO.

IS THAT CORRECT? UH, PARTIALLY.

UH, SO SOME PROGRAMS WOULD CONSOLIDATE AGAIN TO SAVE FUNDING ON THE LEASE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE IN THE NORTH AREA.

UH, SOME WOULD BE BRAND NEW, UH, IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO REALLY MINI MINIMIZE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THIS PROPOSAL AND MAXIMIZE THE SERVICES.

UH, I'M NOT GONNA PONTIFICATE TOO MUCH, BUT PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF OUR CENTERS RIGHT NOW ARE LIKE 60, 70 YEARS OLD.

SO IF ANY OF THESE IS APPROVED, UH, IT WILL PROBABLY SERVE ALL THE WAY TO THE NEXT CENTURY.

SO IT, IT'S A REALLY GOOD KIND OF LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.

I WANNA TAKE OFF MY, UH, TRYING TO MANAGE DISCUSSION TO GIVE MY OPINION.

I THINK OF ALL OF THE GROUPS BACK IN THE EARLY WHEN WE GOT THE PRESENTATIONS THE HEALTH CENTERS GOT, WHEN IT COMES TO THE PEOPLE, THE, THE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE GOTTEN MONEY FROM PREVIOUS BONDS THAT GOT SOME OF THE SMALLEST AMOUNT AND WERE THE MOST EFFICIENT AND MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

AND I JUST, IT, I GET THE O AND M DISCUSSION.

AND SO I'M NOT SAYING WE DON'T NEED TO BUILD 'EM, IT'S JUST REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT POTENTIALLY THESE WOULD PROBABLY GET BUILT, GET DONE, WELL SERVE A HUGE PURPOSE IN THE EAST SIDE AND WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO HIRE STAFF.

I THINK THAT'S JUST REALLY FRUSTRATING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE HEALTH GROUP REALLY SHOWED HOW MUCH THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN AND WHEN THEY DID GET MONEY, THEY USED IT REALLY, REALLY, REALLY WELL.

UM, AND WE FUNDED A LOT OF TRANSPORTATION AND SOMEONE WHO WORKS IN IT.

I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT, BUT, UM, THAT'S A LITTLE FRUSTRATING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE HAS THOUGHTS, BUT I MEAN, I THINK ONE WE WANTED TO MOVE INTO THE FACILITIES AND ASSETS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, UM, DIFFICULT DISCUSSION IF WE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE WE REALLY CAN, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW.

AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAT ON THE COMMITTEE CAN SPEAK TO IT OR WHAT NICOLE'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH THE O AND M.

BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WOULD WE REALLY WANNA PROPOSE FOR NEW FACILITIES IF WE, IF THEY CAN'T REALLY BE RUN, I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THE QUESTION THIS GROUP HAS TO REALLY WRESTLE WITH.

UM, IS THAT, I MEAN, I THINK I DON'T, MAYOR IF YOU WANNA START, WELL I WAS ACTUALLY JUST GONNA SAY I WAS LOOKING AT THE CLOCK AND WE'RE PUSHING NINE O'CLOCK.

OH.

SO I THINK THAT MAYBE THAT'S A PLACE TO START PAUSE AND START AT THE NEXT TIME.

I AGREE.

'CAUSE THAT'S LIKE THE WHOLE PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION.

OF STAFFING THE BUDGET IS GONNA BE DOING.

ARE WE GETTING WELL, YEAH, I MEAN I'M, I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE LIKE MAKING THAT KIND OF STATEMENT THAT THEY AREN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO STAFF THESE POSITIONS.

LIKE I JUST DON'T THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION AS THE BOND TASK FORCE TO DETERMINE WHAT KIND

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LIKE IT, THAT JUST SEEMS REALLY OUTSIDE OF OUR, I I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT WE DON'T WANNA ADD A BUNCH OF FA STAFF POSITIONS, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN REALLY SAY THAT IT'S THAT EXTREME.

AND, AND RACHEL, I AGREE WITH THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE OF COURSE I'M ASKING, I'M FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT GUS GARCIA IS NOT OPERATING AT MAX CAPACITY STAFF RIGHT NOW.

AND SO THE SEVENTH THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE SENIOR EDITION, UM, THEY, THEY DO A LOT WITH LESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND SO NOT SERVING THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN MAKE IT ON A DETERMINATION BASED ON.

AND I'M ASSUMPTIONS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T FUND IT BECAUSE I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.

WAIT, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY.

I WASN'T SAYING THAT.

I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO DECIDE LIKE I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT SOME OF THE O AND M COSTS FOR THE NEW BUILDINGS AND I WAS SAYING WE NEED TO WRESTLE WITH IT.

I WASN'T SAYING THAT THE, FOR SURE WE WON'T, THE CITY WON'T HAVE MONEY FOR IT, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO CONSIDER BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED WITH PREVIOUS BONDS WHERE PROJECTS WHERE MONEY IS SITTING THERE BECAUSE THE CONDITIONS ARE NOT, WERE NOT THERE TO USE THE MONEY AND IT'S STILL SITTING IN A HOLD.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT HERE AS WELL.

THAT'S ALL I WAS WANTING US TO DISCUSS IT.

I WASN'T TRYING TO MAKE A STATEMENT, RACHEL, IS THAT I THINK MARY'S POINT IS THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD STOP AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND START THERE FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

SO I WASN'T MAKING A DECLARATIVE STATEMENT THAT WAS REALLY TO START DISCUSSION.

AND SO I THINK BECAUSE IT'S NOT, AND IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE A LITTLE TIRED, I THINK WE SHOULD KIND OF END HERE AND I THINK I'LL GO, I TOOK A BUNCH OF NOTES.

I KNOW MARY PROBABLY TOOK SOME NOTES AND IF ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO SEND THEM OUR WAY SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THE QUESTIONS FROM STAFF THAT WE DID NOT GET ANSWERED TODAY.

AND I DO, I WILL TRY TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE A LOT OF THE INPUT THAT WE HEARD BECAUSE I THINK THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE WANTED US ALL TO TALK ABOUT IT IS THAT WE KIND OF NEED TO COME BACK WITH SOME THINGS IRON, UH, SOME THINGS SUGGESTED FOR THE DISCUSSION THE NEXT TIME AROUND TO THAT POINT.

THEN ONE MORE THING FOR YOU, UM, FRANCIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AND THAT WOULD BE, I'M JUST STILL HAVING A HARD TIME WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND, UM, BOTH THE COLONY PARK HEALTH AND, UH, COLONY PARK HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER AT 32,000 SQUARE FEET.

THAT'S BEING DONE BY CENTRAL HEALTH AND THE PROGRAMMING NEEDS FOR HERE AND HOW THAT PROGRAMMING CAN'T BE CONSOLIDATED.

AND, AND SO THAT'S, IF WE CAN JUST GET SOME ADDITIONAL STAFF HAS PRESENTED SOMETHING IN THE PAST AND IT JUST DIDN'T STICK.

UM, IT FELT LIKE THERE WAS AN OVERLAP WHEN I WAS JUST DOING MY OWN RESEARCH.

AND SO I PLAN ON GOING TO DO SOME VISITS ON SOME OF THE OTHER CENTRAL HEALTH FACILITIES AS WELL AS GOING TO DEAF SPRINGS.

SO IF I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND IT, I THINK THERE, THAT'S PART OF THE FOLLOW UP THAT I KNOW I ASKED ABOUT.

UM, THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT CAN THEY CONSOLIDATE THE LIBRARY WITH THE HEALTH CENTER AND MAYBE GET A BETTER EFFICIENCY THERE WITH THAT NUMBER AS WELL.

BUT, UM, IS I AM ASSUMING THAT'S SOME OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT RICH? NO, YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY THE FOLLOW UP AND I IT IS JUST YOU THE FOLLOW UP JUST TO MAKE ME BETTER UNDERSTAND, FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, AND THEN CLARIFYING THE CARVER, UH, ESTIMATE AS WELL AS, UM, THE GUS GARCIA, I MEAN ALL THOSE THINGS.

I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DON'T ENHANCE SERVICES FOR EVERYONE, THAT THIS BOND HAS TO JUST BE ABOUT BARE BONES AND FIXING THINGS THAT ARE BROKEN AND THAT WE SHOULDN'T TRY TO ADDRESS ENHANCING SERVICES AND SUPPORT FOR ALL.

BUT WE SHOULD BE COGNIZANT OF THE AFFORDABILITY DISCUSSIONS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL AND WHAT THOSE REMEDIES ARE GONNA BE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE US DOING, GOING BACK TO SORT OF A TIERED APPROACH, THIS IS BARE BONES AND THIS IS BARE BONES WITH ENHANCEMENTS THAT ARE CRITICALLY NEEDED.

SO, UM, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF NOTES.

WE CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW THE VIDEO, BUT IF YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS LIKE IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU DO, IT WOULD NOT HURT TO JO.

JOT THEM DOWN IN AN EMAIL WHILE YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT 'EM AND SEND THEM TO NICOLE SO WE CAN BE SURE WE CAN TRY TO GET ANSWERS AHEAD OF TIME AND DISTRIBUTE THOSE TO THE BEST WE CAN.

UM, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, I, WE, WE NEED TO MOVE TO TABLE DISCUSSION ITEMS THREE AND FOUR.

SO I, I MOVE TO TABLE DISCUSSION ITEMS THREE AND FOUR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ON THIS YOUTUBE.

YEAH, THANK YOU.