* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:03] ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE ON THIS MONDAY, MAY 4TH, 2026 AT 6:05 PM UH, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE MARY HAGER? PRESENT FRANCIS JORDAN ON AGUIRE. PRESENT, TINA CANNON. HERE. NICOLE CONLEY. PRESENT. CHARLES CURRY. HERE. RICHARD DE PALMER. PRESENT JC DWYER. PRESENT. ROBERT FIEDLER. HERE. JEREMIAH HENDRICKS. DONALD JACKSON PRESENT. ANDREW COOGLER. HERE. NO. LUGO. GARY MARITZ. PRESENT. LUKE METZGER. KATRINA MILLER. KENNETH STANLEY. PRESENT. RACHEL STONE PRESENT. BEN PRESENT. DAVID SULLIVAN. HERE. HAYDEN WALKER. PRESENT AND KABA WHITE PRESENT. GREAT, THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW WE'LL MOVE ON [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ] TO PUBLIC COMMUNICATIONS. WE'LL START WITH OUR REMOTE SPEAKERS. WE FIRST WE HAVE HEATHER VAN D**E. YOU CAN BRING HER OVER. HELLO? CAN EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YES MA'AM. HI, MEMBERS OF THE BOND ADVISORY TASK FORCE. MY NAME IS HEATHER VAN D**E. I'M ONE OF THE ADOPTERS OF GARRISON PARK. WE ARE ASKING THE TASK FORCE TO SUPPORT A $24 MILLION INVESTMENT IN RENOVATING GARRISON PARK POOL AS PART OF THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, WE'VE SHARED THE MANY WAYS THE POOL AT THE HEART OF OUR COMMUNITY FROM SWIM CLASSES, THE COMMUNITY GATHERING. AND TODAY I WANNA USE MY TIME TO QUICKLY GO OVER SEVERAL KEY POINTS IN SUPPORT OF RENOVATE RENOVATING GARRISON PARK POOL. GARRISON PARK POOL IS ONE OF ONLY FIVE CHARGING POOLS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, ALONG WITH BARTON SPRINGS. AND DEEP EDDY CHARGING AT THESE POOLS HELPS THE CITY OFFSET COSTS AND KEEP OTHER POOLS FREE. HARRISON PARK POOL IS ONE OF THREE 50 METER POOLS, WHICH IS THE OLYMPIC LENGTH IN THE CITY, WHICH IS USED FOR RECREATIONAL AND COMPETITIVE TRAINING AND PROGRAMMING. GARRISON PARK POOL IS ONE OF EIGHT POOLS IN THE CITY WITH THE DEPTH REQUIRED FOR LIFEGUARD CERTIFICATION COURSES. IT'S A KEY SOURCE OF TEACHABLE WATER, WHICH IS LIMITED CITYWIDE. IT'S A FACILITY THAT PROVIDES RELIEF FROM THE LONG HOT AUSTIN SUMMERS. IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 ALONE, THERE WERE ROUGHLY 17,000 POOL ATTENDEES AT GARRISON PARK POOL. IT PROVIDES A LOW COST RECREATIONAL RESOURCE, INCLUDING FOR LAP SWIMMING AND IS THE LOCATION FOR SWIM CLASSES THAT ARE OFFERED TO GREATER SOUTH AUSTIN. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE MANY COMPETING PRIORITIES AND CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY, BUT RENOVATING THIS POOL IS NOT SIMPLY A NEIGHBORHOOD IMPROVEMENT. IT IS AN INVESTMENT IN EQUITABLE ACCESS, PUBLIC HEALTH, WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, AND LONG-TERM RELIABILITY OF AUSTIN'S AQUATIC SYSTEM DELAYING REINVESTMENT WILL INCREASE COST AND RAISE THE LIKELIHOOD OF PROLONGED CLOSURES. WORDS INCLUDING GARRISON PARK POOL AND THE 2026 BOND PACKAGE WILL ALLOW THE POOL TO BE MODERNIZED INTO A SAFE STATE-OF-THE-ART AQUATIC FACILITY THAT CONTINUES TO SERVE AUSTIN FAMILIES FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, YOUR SERVICE, AND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE LISA MUIR. IS SHE WITH US REMOTELY? SHE'S NOT. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS TO SEE IF SHE JOINS. UH, NEXT WE HAVE BARBARA SCOTT WITH TIME DONATED FROM BRIAN DOLE, SO SHE'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF SIX MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. UM, BOND TASK FORCE MEMBERS. [00:05:01] UM, WE ARE GRATEFUL TO BE HERE AND WE CONTINUE TO, UH, ADVOCATE FOR COLONY PARK. UH, THIS LIBRARY HEALTH AND DAYCARE CENTER PROJECT PRESENTS A RARE AND URGENT OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS DECADES OF UNEQUAL ACCESS TO ESSENTIAL SERVICES IN THIS PART OF AUSTIN. SINCE 1972, RESIDENTS HAVE LIVED WITHOUT CONSISTENT ACCESS TO EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING, EARLY CHILDHOOD DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT, LICENSED CHILDCARE, AND NEARBY HEALTHCARE. THESE GAPS ARE NOT ACCIDENTAL. THEY ARE LONGSTANDING AND DEEPLY FELT. THIS PROJECT OFFERS A PRACTICAL FORWARD THINKING SOLUTION. A SHARED MULTI-USE FACILITY WOULD BRING THESE SERVICES TOGETHER IN ONE ACCESSIBLE COMMUNITY CENTERED LOCATION, IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR GENERATIONS. THE NEED IS WELL DOCUMENTED. AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH HAS IDENTIFIED THIS GAP SINCE 2005 AND HAS REPEATEDLY SOUGHT FUNDING TO ADDRESS IT. THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION HAS WORKED WITH THE AUSTIN PUBLIC LIBRARY TO ENSURE THIS COMMUNITY IS INCLUDED IN ITS COMPREHENSIVE STRATEGIC FACILITIES PLAN. THIS IS NOT A NEW IDEA. IT'S A PRIORITY THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, SUPPORTED, AND READY FOR OVER 20 YEARS. FINANCIALLY. THIS APPROACH IS RESPONSIBLE AND EFFICIENT. THE CITY OF AUSTIN ALREADY OWNS THE LAND AND HAS IT PROPERLY ZONED. REMOVING MAJOR BARRIERS TO DEVELOPMENT BUILDING TWO SEPARATE FACILITIES WOULD COST ABOUT $92 MILLION. A SINGLE INTEGRATED FACILITY WOULD COST AROUND 85 MILLION, SAVING AT LEAST 11 MILLION WHILE DELIVERING MORE ACCESSIBLE COMPREHENSIVE SERVICES IN ONE PLACE. THE TRUE VALUE OF THIS PROJECT GOES FAR BEYOND COST. IT'S ABOUT THE REAL DIFFERENCE, UH, IT CAN MAKE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES. IT MEANS CREATING A COMMUNITY WHERE CHILDREN HAVE ACCESS TO EARLY LEARNING PROGRAMS THAT PREPARE THEM FOR SUCCESS. WHERE WORKING FAMILIES CAN DEPEND ON SAFE NEARBY CHILDCARE WITHOUT LONG COMMUTES, AND WHERE HEALTHCARE SERVICES ARE FINALLY WITHIN REACH. THIS PROJECT IS MORE THAN A DEVELOPMENT. IT'S THE CREATION OF A CENTER FOR LEARNING HEALTH AND OPPORTUNITY, AND A PLACE THAT HAS LONG FACED LIMITED RESOURCES. THIS IS THE REALITY THAT A SHARED MULTI-USE PUBLIC FACILITY CAN CREATE. IT WOULD SERVE NOT JUST AS A BUILDING, BUT BUT AS AN ANCHOR FOR COMMUNITY STABILITY AND GROWTH SUPPORTING STUDENTS, FAMILIES, AND SENIORS ALIKE. IN AN AREA, OFTEN DESCRIBED AS PART OF THE EASTERN CRESCENT WHERE DISPARITIES IN HEALTH, EDUCATION, AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY PERSIST, THIS INVESTMENT WOULD REPRESENT A MEANINGFUL STEP TOWARD EQUITY. THE QUESTION IS NO LONGER WHETHER THE SERVICES ARE NEEDED. THE ANSWER HAS BEEN CLEAR FOR DECADES. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER WE ARE READY TO ACT WITH CONFIDENCE, EFFICIENCY, AND CARE. THIS PROJECT IS ALIGNED, COST EFFECTIVE, AND READY TO MOVE FORWARD. IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A LASTING IMPACT WHERE IT'S NEEDED MOST. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT OUR CASE TO YOU. WE HOPE THAT YOU FEEL OUR NEED AS MUCH AS WE FEEL OUR NEED. AND UNTIL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TAKING A SICK RELATIVE ACROSS 180 3 AND ACROSS 35 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE FEEL, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HAD TO DO FOR YEARS AND YEARS. WE HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND AND WILL BE ABLE TO SEE OUR VISION AS WE SEE OUR VISION. I ALSO WANT THE MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS AND SUPPORT THIS PLAN FOR US. IF YOU WOULD STAND, IF YOU CAN'T STAND, RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE MAC BRAZEL. GREETINGS TO ALL OF THE HARDWORKING FOLKS ON THE BOND [00:10:01] ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I KNOW YOU HAVE A DIFFICULT TASK BEFORE YOU AND I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WHILE IT MAY SEEM THANKLESS, MANY OF US IN THE COMMUNITY TRULY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I'M MACK RAGSDALE, BOARD VICE PRESIDENT OF ZILKER THEATER PRODUCTIONS. WE'RE THE FOLKS THAT PUT ON THE SUMMER MUSICAL THAT HAS BROUGHT JOY TO THE HEARTS OF GENERATIONS OF AUSTIN FAMILIES FOR SOME 66 YEARS. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF ZILKER 3 5 1, AN UMBRELLA GROUP THAT IN INCLUDES MANY OF THE ENTITIES IN ZILKER PARK, UH, AND CALL IT THEIR HOME. TOGETHER, WE ADVOCATE FOR ALL THINGS THAT BENEFIT ZILKER PARK, WHICH BY EXTENSION, UH, BENEFITS THE ENTIRE CITY. KNOW THAT ZILKER PARK IS A DISTRICT PARK AT THE VERY HEART OF AUSTIN, LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY. UH, THEY COME HERE TO, UH, SWIM IN BARTON SPRINGS, ENJOY NATURE AND LISTEN TO FREE MUSICALS. I'M HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR INCLUDING AS MUCH MONEY AS WE REASONABLY CAN IN THE BOND PACKAGE FOR ZILKER PARK. FUNDING FOR US IN PARKS HAS BEEN WOEFULLY INADEQUATE OVER THE YEARS WITH MUCH DEFERRED MAINTENANCE PILING UP. IF THE SMALLER BOND PACKAGE OF SOME 400 MILLION IS THE MAGIC NUMBER THAT WILL PASS A BOND ELECTION, THEN WE CAN SUPPORT THAT. I WOULD BE MOST ADVANTAGEOUS TO INCLUDE ONE. THE BARTON CREEK SPILLWAY PROJECT. TWO, THE ZILKER LOOP TRAIL BIKE PEDESTRIAN FOOTBRIDGE PROJECT, THE ZILKER WOODLAND TREE CANOPY EXPANSION PROJECT. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE ZILKER HILLSIDE THEATER RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT. AND LET ME SPEAK ON THAT LAST ITEM 'CAUSE IT'S NEAREST AND DEAREST TO MY HEART. THE CURRENT FACILITIES CONSISTING OF AN OPEN AIR STAGE AND ENCLOSED DRESSING ROOMS WERE BUILT IN 1994. OVER 30 YEARS AGO. THERE WAS A BACKSTAGE EDITION DONE IN 2012, WHICH ADDED ACTUAL BATHROOMS TO THE BACKSTAGE. A GREAT RELIEF TO THE ACTORS WHO PRIOR TO THIS HAD THE TRAIPSES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BARTON SPRINGS BATHHOUSE. THAT PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY A PRO BONO GIFT TO THE CITY OF SOME $1 MILLION VALUE. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE MY ARCHITECTURE FIRM WAS DEEPLY INVOLVED, SO MY OWN BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS HAVE BEEN S SPILLT ON THAT HILLSIDE. NOT MUCH HAS BEEN DONE SINCE THEN. AND, UH, EVERY YEAR MORE AND MORE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE NEEDS COMES UP AND THE VENUE BECOMES MORE AND MORE OBSOLETE AND INADEQUATE FOR ITS INTENDED USE. EARLY BONE PROPOSAL ALLOCATED 5 MILLION FOR THE REBUILD OF THE VENUE, WHICH HAS DISAPPEARED IN THE CURRENT VERSION. WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THAT AMOUNT BE RESTORED AS A MINIMUM AMOUNT TO SAVE THIS VENUE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. I FEAR THAT WITHOUT A SUBSTANTIAL INFUSION OF FUNDING, THIS FACILITY WILL NOT LAST. ANOTHER BOND CYCLE AND ANOTHER CULTURAL ICON WILL BE LOST. I ASK THIS NOT JUST FOR ZILKER THEATER PRODUCTIONS AND OUR PLUS 50,000 PATRONS, BUT ALSO FOR THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT WORK THERE, INCLUDING SHAKESPEARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE MIKE TI IF HE COULD PUT THE OH, THANK YOU GRADINGS TASK FORCE MEMBERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TODAY. LAST MEETING ON THIS PROJECT. UH, MY NAME IS MIKE KTI AND I'M HERE AS, UH, THE, UH, 3 51 BOARD CHAIR. BUT I'M ACTUALLY SPEAKING IN MY INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY. UH, I WANT TO REFER TO SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS THAT FOUNDED THIS TASK FORCE TO TO, TO BE GUIDING SOME OF THE MY, UH, COMMENTS HERE. SO FIRST OF ALL, I DO WANNA URGE YOU TO PASS THE, UH, B TIFFS $400 MILLION, WHAT I'M CALLING THE SUB QUORUM RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB OF FUNDING OUR PARKS AND I COMMEND THAT ONE TO YOU. HOPE YOU CAN RECOMMEND THAT TO COUNSEL. THE MERITS OF A STRONG PARKS BOND PACKAGE ARE MULTIFOLD. UH, FIRST OF ALL, AS YOU KNOW, THE PARKS FUNDS FROM THE 2018 BOND CYCLE ARE EXHAUSTED AND A PR HAS SPENT OR OBLIGATED SUBSTANTIALLY ALL OF ITS PARKS FUNDS. THE RECENT PARKS BOARD RESOLUTION SPEAKS TO THE MERITS OF THIS. I'LL JUST LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO READ. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS IS, UH, REGARDING THE CLIMATE PRIORITIES THAT WERE PART OF THE FUNDING RESOLUTION THAT CREATED YOU. UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE PARKS AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS THAT ARE PART OF THAT SUB QUORUM PACKAGE ACTUALLY RANK IN THE TOP 10 OF ALL THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE CARBON CAPTURE PERFORMANCE, BOTH IN TOTAL CARBON TONNAGE AND I GUESS ON THE TONNAGE PER DOLLAR BASIS, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CHART CORRECTLY. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WHILE YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT THE AUSTIN VOTERS ARE STRONG SUPPORTERS OF OUR PARKS, THE RECENTLY RELEASED FOREVER LAND DOCUMENTARY THAT SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN TALKS ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE BARTON CREEK WILDERNESS [00:15:01] PARK, AND IT RECOUNTS HOW THE PARKS BOND PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY VOTERS IN AUSTIN AT ABOUT 70% VOTER APPROVAL RATING. AND I GATHERED SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS RELATED BOND PACKAGES THAT YOU SEE THERE ALL AT THAT SAME LEVEL. SO PARKS ARE BELOVED AND SUPPORTED. I WON'T BELABOR THE ZILKER PARK PROJECT DETAILS. I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU ABOUT THAT BEFORE. BUT I WILL JUST BRIEFLY NOTE THAT THERE'S A ZILKER PARK, UH, LOOP TRAIL. THERE'S ZILKER PARK SHORELINE RESTORATION AT THE CREEK, THE ZILKER HILLSIDE THEATER RECONSTRUCTION, AND THE WOODLAND TREE CANOPY EXPANSION. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. MY ONE LAST COMMENT TO YOU IS TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, TO COUNCIL ON FUNDING ALTERNATIVES. THIS WAS ACTUALLY IN THE RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THE TASK FORCE AND YOUR FOUNDING RESOLUTION CALLS FOR THIS WITH A REQUIREMENT TO APPOINT, UH, INDIVIDUALS WITH PUBLIC FINANCE EXPERTISE. SO WITHIN YOUR TASK FORCE, UH, RICH DE PALMER AND OTHERS HAVE THIS SORT OF BACKGROUND AND EXPERTISE. AND I HOPE THAT YOU CAN INCLUDE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING, REGULATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS WHERE APPROPRIATE. TRULY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE FLEETWOOD JACOBS. HI Y'ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK AND THOUGHTFUL, MEANINGFUL TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN PUTTING IN AS JUST WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT THAT THERE'S SO MANY WORTHWHILE AND IMPORTANT PROJECTS, AND AUSTIN IS IN GREAT NEED OF THIS BOND PACKAGE. UM, AND FLEETWOOD JACOBS, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ZILKER 3 5 1, A NONPROFIT CONSERVANCY THAT STEWARDS ALL 351 ACRES OF ZILKER PARK. UH, YOU JUST HEARD FROM OUR BOARD CHAIR MIKE TI, BUT I WANNA REINFORCE THE CORE OF WHAT HE SAID. THE SUB QUORUMS RECOMMENDATION FOR A FOCUSED BOND PRAC, UH, PACKAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 400 MILLION WITH AT LEAST 250 MILLION FOR PARKS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MADE THIS CASE CASE CLEARLY AND THEIR RESOLUTION LAST WEEK, AND I WANNA ECHO IT DIRECTLY. THE 2018 BOND FUNDS ARE SPENT OR OBLIGATED. A PR HAS SUBSTANTIALLY EXHAUSTED ITS PARKS CAPITAL WITH ONLY MODEST CONTINGENCY RESERVES REMAINING. THE DEPARTMENT DID NOT RECEIVE A DOLLAR FROM THE 2016 OR 2020 TRANSPORTATION BONDS, NOR FROM THE 2022 HOUSING BOND. SO PARKS HAS BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME. THE 250 MILLION THRESHOLD IS THE MINIMUM THAT ALLOWS A PR TO MOVE BEYOND EMERGENCY STABILIZATION AND DELIVER MEANINGFUL AND VISIBLE IMPROVEMENTS ACROSS THE CITY. AND FOR THOSE TRACKING AUSTIN'S CLIMATE COMMITMENTS, PARKS, AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS, AS MIKE MENTIONED, ROUTE RANK IN THE TOP 10 FOR CARBON CAPTURE PERFORMANCE AND BOTH IN TOTAL CARBON TONNAGE AND A TONNAGE PER DOLLAR BASIS. A ROBUST PARKS AND TRAILS PACKAGE IS ONE OF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE CLIMATE INVESTMENTS THE CITY CAN MAKE. I ALSO WANT TO ECHO MIKE'S CALL FOR THE TASK FORCE TO ACT ON ONE OF THE EXPLICIT DIRECTIVES IN YOUR FOUNDING RESOLUTION. TO INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS ON FUNDING ALTERNATIVES ON ZILKER, SPECIFICALLY THE FOUR PROJECTS THAT BOTH MAC AND MIKE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT. UM, WE, THE, UH, THEY'VE RECEIVED STRONG COMMUNITY SUPPORT DURING THE INPUT PROCESS AND THEY FIT SQUARELY WITHIN THE PROGRAM CATEGORIES BEFORE YOU. THE ZILKER LOOP TRAIL, UH, FITS NICELY IN ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. THE BARTON CREEK SHORELINE RESTORATION AND WOODLAND TREE CANOPY EXPANSION FIT NICELY IN THE PARKS CATEGORY AND THE HILLSIDE THEATER RECONSTRUCTION AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES. WE ARE ASKING THAT THEY BE CARRIED FORWARD EXPLICITLY. THE HILLSIDE THEATER IS HOSTED FREE PUBLIC PERFORMANCES FOR GENERATIONS. IT IS A COMMUNITY FACILITY IN THE FULLEST SENSE. THE ZILKER LOOP TRAIL CLOSES A CRITICAL GAP IN SAFE CAR FREE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE HEART OF THE PARK. AND THEN I GUESS MY LAST TWO SENTENCES ARE NOT GONNA BE SAID, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR DECISIONS. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE SETH JOHNSON. [00:20:06] HELLO TASK FORCE. I'M SETH JOHNSON. UM, I, UH, AM 56 YEARS OLD. I'M A RESIDENT OF LONGTIME RESIDENT OF AUSTIN. THREE YEARS AGO, I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH, UH, PARKINSON'S DISEASE AND MY DOCTOR SAID I NEEDED TO EXERCISE, UH, TO SLOW DOWN THE EFFECTS. AND, UH, SO FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, I'VE BEEN SKATEBOARDING AT OUR AREA PUBLIC SKATE FACILITIES. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT SKATE PARKS AND THE VALUE THAT THEY PROVIDE TO THE RESIDENTS AND THE TAXPAYERS AND PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE PARKINSON'S DISEASE. THE AUSTIN TAXPAYERS HAVE ENTRUSTED YOU WITH DISTRIBUTING THEIR BOND MONEY ACROSS WORTHY PROJECTS, PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA SERVE THE PUBLIC INTEREST EFFECTIVELY AND ARE NOT GONNA BE SPECIAL INTEREST PROJECTS THAT WERE, UH, JIMMIED UP BY, UH, LOBBYISTS OR SPECIAL INTERESTS. UM, SKATE PARKS UNFORTUNATELY, DO NOT, UH, HAVE THAT KIND OF, UH, UH, SUPPORT, UH, IN THIS PROCESS. AS I REVIEW THE, UH, THE THE BOM DISTRICT PARK PROJECT, I SEE THAT THERE'S VERY LITTLE INPUT OR REPRESENTATION OF SKATE PARKS IN THAT, UH, PROJECT DOWN HERE TO ADVOCATE THAT, THAT BE PRIORITIZED HIGHER. UH, THERE'S FIVE PAGES DEDICATED TO BICYCLING IN THAT DOCUMENT AND ONLY ONE PAGE FOR SKATE PARKS, UH, TAXPAYERS THAT HAVE LIMITED, UH, PATIENCE FOR BOND, FOR PAYING BACK BOND PACKAGES. UM, 20 YEARS AGO, HUNDREDS OF SKATEBOARDERS ATTENDED A MEETING JUST LIKE THIS, TALKING TO, TO A BOND COMMITTEE JUST LIKE YOU. AND, UH, IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF SKATEBOARDERS ASKING FOR SKATE PARKS TO BE BUILT THAT WE HAVE A LIMIT NOW TO 10 PEOPLE. THREE MINUTES EACH. IT MAY HAVE BEEN A WISE DECISION, UH, IN THAT BOND PACKAGE. WE GOT ONE SKATE PARK BUILT. IT WAS FUNDED 20 YEARS AGO. WE'VE NOT HAD A SINGLE CITY OF AUSTIN FUNDED SKATE PARK SINCE THEN. IT'S TIME THAT WE, THAT WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. SKATE PARKS ARE, UH, ALL INCLUSIVE VIA THE DEMOGRAPHS HAVE EXPANDED GREATLY OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS. WE'VE SEEN ALL KINDS OF BENEFITS FROM IT, FROM SKATE PARKS, UH, INCLUDING ATTRACTING THE X GAMES HERE FOR THREE YEARS. WE'VE SEEN, UH, NATIONAL PUBLICATIONS COME AND CELEBRATE, UH, YOU KNOW, BIRTHDAYS AND, AND HAVE OTHER, UH, COMPETITIONS. UM, UH, AND I I, I KNOW I'M RUNNING OUTTA TIME. I WANNA SAY THAT UNLIKE, UH, THINGS LIKE RECREATION CENTERS OR CULTURAL CENTERS, WHICH ARE WONDERFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY, SKATE PARKS HAVE NO STAFFING. THEY ADD NOTHING TO THE OVERALL OPERATIONAL BUDGET OF THE CITY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CONCERNED THAT YOU'RE GONNA CRUSH THE CITY BUDGET BY, UH, IMPLEMENTING SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA COST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A YEAR TO IN OVERHEAD. A SKATE PARK IS BUILT ONCE AND IT LASTS FOR 20, 30, 40 YEARS. WE DON'T KNOW YET. THE, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ARE STILL HERE. ANYWAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION AND I, I HOPE THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT SKATE, SKATE PARKS AND USERS, THE MANY USERS THAT USE THEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU NEXT WE HAVE ALYSSA VARGAS. GOOD EVENING TASK FORCE MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ALYSSA VARGAS AND I'M THE ADVOCACY MANAGER FOR AUSTIN PARKS FOUNDATION. YOU MAY HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM ME THIS WEEKEND PROVIDING SIMILAR FACTS AND SUGGESTIONS AS OUTLINED BEFORE YOU TODAY, I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO RECOMMEND THE 250 MILLION PARKS BOND PACKAGE CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE AUSTIN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND PASSED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD A WEEK AGO. FROM TODAY, AUSTIN HAS MADE A COMMITMENT TO ITS RESIDENTS TO MAINTAIN A PARK SYSTEM THAT IS EQUITABLE, WELL MAINTAINED, AND ACCESSIBLE TO ALL. TONIGHT I ASK THAT YOU HONOR THAT COMMITMENT. AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE PARKS DEPARTMENT HAS FULLY SPENT AND ALLOCATED ALL FUNDING RECEIVED IN THE 2018 BOND. AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BEING ON A SIX YEAR FUNDING CYCLE, THE SYSTEM'S UNMET NEEDS CONTINUE TO ACCUMULATE EVEN AFTER ALL THE AVAILABLE FUNDS HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED. IT'S NOW BEEN EIGHT YEARS AND A ROBUST, ROBUST PARKS BOND IS OVERDUE. IN THE INTERVENING YEARS, OUR AQUATIC FACILITIES HAVE CONTINUED TO AGE OUR TRAILS AND PLACE SCAPES HAVE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE AND OUR RECREATION AND SENIOR CENTERS HAVE STRETCHED LIMITED RESOURCES TO SERVE A GROWING POPULATION. EXAMPLES OF THE 140 PROJECTS FUNDED BY THE 2018 BOND DOLLARS INCLUDE THE BEVERLY SHY FIELD, NORTHWEST DISTRICT PARK POOL REPLACEMENT AND DISTRICT SEVEN HIGHLAND NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IMPROVEMENTS IN DISTRICT FOUR, FAR [00:25:01] TENNIS CENTER RENOVATIONS IN DISTRICT NINE, MACBETH RECREATION CENTER, PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENTS IN DISTRICT FIVE, THE ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR THE TILLERY PECAN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK IN DISTRICT THREE, THE WILLIAM CREEK EAST GREEN BELT. IN DISTRICT TWO, THE BRAND NEW COLONY PARK POOL AND DISTRICT ONE TANGLEWOOD PARKS REPLACEMENT PLAYGROUND AND DISTRICT SIX AND THE WALSH BOAT LANDING. IMPROVEMENTS IN DISTRICT 10 PARKS ARE NOT A DISCRETIONARY AMENITY. THEY'RE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SERVE PUBLIC SAFETY AND REQUIRE SUSTAINED PREDICTABLE INVESTMENT TO FUNCTION. AND WHERE OUR NEIGHBORS, REGARDLESS OF INCOME AND ZIP CODE, HAVE ACCESS TO GREEN SPACE, TO RECREATION AND TO COMMUNITY, THEY'RE THE POOLS WHERE KIDS LEARN TO SWIM AND STAY COOL DURING THE TRIPLE DIGIT SUMMERS AND THE GREEN BELTS THAT PROVIDE A WILDLIFE HABITAT, FLOOD MITIGATION, AND A LITTLE BREATHING ROOM IN A BUSTLING CITY, AUSTIN PARKS ARE UNDERFUNDED AND OVERDUE FOR INVESTMENT, MANY PARKS, POOLS, AND RECREATION CENTERS. RISK CLOSURE. IF URGENT FUNDING IS NOT SECURED AND DOES NOT PREVAIL SOON, AGAIN, I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT AT LEAST A 250 MILLION PARK BOND. OUR PARKS AND AUSTINITES WHO DEPEND ON THEM, CANNOT WAIT ANY LONGER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE ENOVIA JOSEPH. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS, I'M XENOBI JOSEPH, I JUST WANNA BE SPECIFIC AND MAKE A COMMENT AS IT RELATES TO YOUR MINUTES. SPECIFICALLY, I'M LOOKING AT THE APRIL 13TH, 2026 MINUTES. IT SAYS, ENOVIA JOSEPH SPOKE TO THE TASK FORCE ABOUT THE INEQUITIES AND SAFETY CONCERNS, THE NORTH LAMAR YEAGER AREA AND THE INEQUITIES COMPARED TO OTHER CORRIDORS. I WOULD LIKE THE MINUTES TO REFLECT THAT. MY COMMENTS, AS THEY ALWAYS ARE, ARE IN THE CONTEXT OF TITLE VI OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964, WHICH PROHIBITS DISCRIMINATION BASED ON RACE, COLOR, AND NATIONAL ORIGIN. SPECIFICALLY, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE FATALITIES LANGUAGE MATTERS AS YOU ARE AWARE, MADAM CHAIR AS A LAWYER. AND SO I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT SAYING INEQUITIES IS FAR DIFFERENT THAN SAYING FATALITIES. ADDITIONALLY, THE CIVIL RIGHTS RESTORATION ACT OF 1987 DEFINE THE WORD PROGRAM TO MAKE CLEAR THAT DISCRIMINATION IS PROHIBITED THROUGHOUT AN ENTIRE AGENCY. IF ANY PART OF THE AGENCY RECEIVES FEDERAL ASSISTANCE. THAT'S FROM T DOTS, FTA, FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION, TITLE SIX RECIPIENTS 2025. ON PAGE THREE, I SPECIFICALLY WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED ON NORTH LAMAR IN THE JAGER LANE AREA ON NORTH LAMAR JAGER AND NORTH LAMAR INTERSECTS THERE. AND YOU'LL SEE NOT YOUR ORDINARY SCHOOL. THIS IS THE IMAM THAT IS MR. NORTON THAT WAS KILLED. AND THE LADY IN THAT ROLLING, IT'S NOT A WHEELCHAIR, BUT HER MOTOR SCOOTER IS ACTUALLY SOMEONE WHO TRIES TO GET TO THE PARK THAT YOU JUST HEARD SO MUCH ABOUT. IT'S NOT ENOUGH JUST TO SAY PARKS. YOU NEED TO HAVE ACCESS THAT'S EQUITABLE AND SAFE. NEXT SLIDE. YOU'VE SEEN THESE SLIDES BEFORE. MY CONCERN IS REGARDING TITLE SIX, SPECIFICALLY AIRPORT BOULEVARD. WHERE WE ARE IN THIS VICINITY HAS THESE TERRACOTTA SIDEWALKS. YOU HAVE SUBSTANDARD SIDEWALKS AND NO PEDESTRIAN HYBRID BEACON IN THE NORTH LAMAR AREA ON THE BOTTOM WHERE IT'S AUGUST 5TH, 2025, WITH THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, MARK ROGERS, WHO ACTUALLY WENT THERE WITH ME. AND ON THE RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM, YOU'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE, IT'S NOT A DA COMPLIANT AT THE TOP. IT'S DRUG OVERDOSES. AND SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT THIS IS NOT HAPPENING FOR WHITE CHOICE RIDERS. THEY WILL NOT GET OUT OF THEIR CAR TO RIDE THE BUS IF THIS IS WHAT THEY SAW. NEXT SLIDE. I WANT YOU TO REMI, REMEMBER THIS IS THE NETWORK THAT WAS CREATED IN 2016. I'M GONNA ASK YOUR VICE CHAIR TO RECUSE HERSELF. SHE'S ACTUALLY THE PUBLIC, UH, INVOLVEMENT MANAGER I UNDERSTAND FROM 2025 FOR AUSTIN TRANSIT PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS THE NETWORK THAT IS THE UNDER THAT UNDERGIRDS THE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM ON THE RIGHT, THE GRAY, IT IS INFREQUENT, UNRELIABLE, DISCONNECTED. IT IS DISCONNECTED BECAUSE THEY TRIPLE COUNT MINORITY RIDERSHIP. THEY INFLATE THE RIDERSHIP. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME, BUT WOULD ASK YOU TO BE ACCURATE WITH YOUR MINUTES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST TAKE A, A QUICK MOMENT TO SAY ON BEHALF OF ALL THE TASK FORCE THAT [00:30:01] WE APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC. WE SEE A LOT OF YOUR FACES, UH, MONTH, WEEK AFTER WEEK. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND BEING ENGAGED. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. MOVING ON TO [1. Approve the minutes of the 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force Regular Called meeting on April 27, 2026.] ITEM ONE. WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE, REGULAR CALL MEDIA ON APRIL 27TH, 2026. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MINUTES? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. ALL OPPOSED OR ABSTAINING? OKAY. THANK YOU. MINUTES ARE APPROVED. MINUTES ARE APPROVED. OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM TWO, [2. Approve final 2026 Bond Election Advisory Task Force recommendations. ] APPROVE THE FINAL 2026 BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE A FEW PUBLIC SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AND WE WILL START WITH MERYL. WHAT IS THAT YOUR, DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY? MM-HMM . HI, MY NAME IS MERYL. I HAVE LIVED IN AUSTIN SINCE 1987 AND LIKE ALL AUSTINITES, WE HAVE LOVED OUR PARKS AND OPEN SPACES SO MUCH THAT THEY ARE NOW IN CRITICAL CONDITION. THEY ARE IN DESPERATE NEED OF A CAPITAL FUNDS INFUSION TO SURVIVE. AND I ASK YOU TO PLEASE VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE $250 MILLION PARKS BOND. LET THE VOTERS CONSIDER THIS IN NOVEMBER. I REALLY STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT VOTERS SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO VOTE ON GIVING THAT CAPITAL INFUSION TO OUR PARKS. UM, TWO AREAS ARE ESPECIALLY NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND ARE EXAMPLES OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE VAST OVERWHELMING NEED IN OUR PARKS. UM, EVERGREEN CEMETERY IS THE FINAL RESTING PLACE OF PROMINENT AUSTIN ELECTED OFFICIALS AND CIVIC AND BUSINESS LEADERS. THE CEMETERY NEEDS BASIC AMENITIES LIKE RESTROOMS AND PAVED ROADS, BUT A 215, UH, OR 2015 MASTER PLAN IS STILL WAITING FOR FUNDING A DECADE LATER. AND WHILE THE CEMETERY'S NOT A PARK, IT IS UNDER THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. THE CITY ALSO LACKS DOG PARKS AND OFF-LEASH AREAS IN EAST AUSTIN, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS. WEST OF I 35 PARD RECENTLY OPENED A NEW DOG PARK AT LITTLE WALNUT CREEK AND HAS AGREED TO DO A DOG PARK PILOT PROJECT AT MUELLER IN ONE OF THEIR CITY GREENWAYS. BUT THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR A PERMANENT DOG PARK UNTIL, AND UNLESS A ROBUST BOND PACKAGE IS PASSED AGAIN, PLEASE GIVE VOTERS A CHANCE TO SHOW OUR LOVE FOR THE PARKS BY SUPPORTING THE $250 MILLION PARK BOND PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE ASHTON CUMBER. SIR, GOOD EVENING BOND TASK FORCE. UH, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. UH, MY NAME IS ASHTON CUMBERBATCH AND I AM PRESIDENT AND CO-FOUNDER OF ECU ADD A TX. WE'RE ONE OF THE PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS THAT MS. SCOTT REFERRED TO. UH, WE ARE A CATALYST FOR THE ACCELERATION OF HOLISTIC, EQUITABLE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE EAST AND CRESCENT. WE WORK IN FOUR AREAS, MIXED INCOME, HOUSING, EDUCATION, CRADLE THROUGH CAREER, ECONOMIC VITALITY, AND COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS. I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE LIBRARY IN AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH AND DAYCARE CENTER THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED FOR, UH, COLONY PARK CONTEXT MATTERS. IN 1968, UM, MS. SCOTT'S PREDECESSOR AS PRESIDENT OF THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION VOICED A CONCERN TO CITY LEADERSHIP ABOUT THE DEARTH OF RESOURCES AND EQUITABLE RESOURCES IN COLONY PARK IN 1999, UH, AROUND 1999, THAT SAME PERSON VOICED CONCERNS TO CITY LEADERSHIP ABOUT THE LACK OF FULFILLED PROMISES TO THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. TODAY, MAY, UH, WHAT'S TODAY, MAY 4TH, 2026? YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE IMMEDIATE PAST [00:35:01] PRESIDENT OF THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TALKING ABOUT THE DEAR OF RESOURCES AND THE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ALSO HAVE AN AUDIENCE, THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE COLLEY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO FOR 56 YEARS, YOU'VE HAD RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LIFE THAT'S NOT JUST SURVIVING, BUT ONE OF THRIVING. THIS HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT THEME FOR MANY OF THE FOLKS IN CONLEY PARK. THE POOL THAT OPENED UP LAST YEAR WAS PROMISED TO THEM 50 YEARS AGO WHEN CONLEY PARK WAS CREATED. SO WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE BOND PACKAGE, I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THE FACT ONE ON THE EDUCATIONAL SIDE THAT EARLY CHILDHOOD MATTERS AS FAR AS PREPARING KIDS FOR KINDERGARTEN. AND IF THEY'RE READY FOR KINDERGARTEN, THAT MEANS THEY CAN START READING BY THIRD GRADE. AND IF THEY CAN READ BY THIRD GRADE, THEY HAVE A GREATER LIKELIHOOD OF GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL. AND WHILE THEY'RE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND, AND, UM, HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'RE NOT LEARNING TO READ. THEY'RE READING TO LEARN. ALRIGHT, VERY IMPORTANT. WHEN WE DID A STUDY IN 2022 ABOUT THE NEED VERSUS THE, UH, SUPPLY OF EARLY CHILDHOOD SPACES, ONLY 20% OF THE NEED WAS MET IN COLONY PARK FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD. ACTUALLY IT WAS 18.9%. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT GAP. YOU CAN HELP WITH THAT. WHEN GAVE AWAY ALMOST 300 COMPUTERS LAST YEAR IN COLONY PARK, WENT DOOR TO DOOR AND TALKED TO FOLKS AND SAW HOW MANY HOUSEHOLDS IN COLONY PARK DID NOT HAVE A COMPUTER. A LIBRARY IS THE MAIN RESOURCE FOR MANY FOLKS WITHOUT A COMPUTER ACCESS TO COMPUTER. PLEASE CONSIDER THIS AS YOU CONSIDER, AND PLEASE VOTE FOR THE BOND PACKAGE TO PROVIDE FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD AND A LIBRARY RESOURCE IN COLONY PARK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS. UM, ZIA JOSEPH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A TECHNICAL COMMENT SPECIFICALLY. THERE'S NOTHING IN BACKUP, AT LEAST THERE WAS NOT BEFORE THE DEADLINE TO REGISTER TO SPEAK. AND SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT YOUR LINKEDIN PROFILE, MADAM CHAIR, SAYS THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC, YOU WANT INPUT AND YOU MENTIONED INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT RESPECTFULLY, YOU HAVE ACTUALLY SUPPRESSED OUR COMMENTS. YOU NO LONGER POST WHAT WE SHOW YOU IN THE BOARDROOM, AND YOU DO NOT POST WHAT WE SAY ACCURATELY. SO IT IS EASY TO SURMISE THAT YOU REALLY DO NOT WANT PUBLIC INPUT. I JUST WANNA CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION SOME COMMENTS FROM ED VINO, THE CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FROM APRIL 15TH, 2026. WHEN HE SPOKE TO THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, HE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THAT HE WOULD BE ASKING COUNSEL FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY AS IT RELATES TO THE BOND. HE SAID HE WAS REFERRING TO COUNCIL MEMBER LANE AND SAID THAT THERE WAS AN IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING FLEXIBILITY IN HOW WE STRUCTURE OUR BOND PROPOSITIONS AND THAT IT WAS OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE PROPOSITION LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACT WITH VOTERS. I JUST WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT SPECIFICALLY STAFF HAS CONTINUED TO UNILATERALLY PLACE U THOSE TERRACOTTA SIDEWALKS SOUTH OF US, 180 3. THEY HAVE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY. AND I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE CONTRACT WITH VOTERS SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CONTRACT AND TO HOLD THE STAFF ACCOUNTABLE. AND SO I WOULD ASK YOU AS YOU DELIBERATE TO RECOGNIZE THAT FLEXIBILITY IS ALREADY THERE AND THAT THERE WAS THE AUGUST 18TH, 2016 BOND ELECTION, NOVEMBER 8TH, 2016, $720 MILLION BOND, MOBILITY BOND. AND SPECIFICALLY NORTH LAMAR WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE. THE STAFF UNILATERALLY USED THAT MONEY FOR NUMBER TWO, BURNETT ROAD AND NUMBER THREE AIRPORT BOULEVARD. AND THEN SUDDENLY THEY HAVE RUN OUT OF MONEY. SO I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT IS PROBLEMATIC IF THE VOTERS SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT DISCRIMINATION IN CERTAIN PARTS OF TOWN, NORTHEAST OF US, 180 3. I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THERE'S A 425 ACRE DEVELOPMENT EAST VILLAGE, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM SAMSUNG. SAMSUNG. THE APPLE HAS NO TRANSIT. AND SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT YES, INFRASTRUCTURE IS NEEDED, BUT THE VOTERS HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN AND THE STAFF HAS NOT LISTENED. AND SO I'M GONNA ASK THIS TASK FORCE, [00:40:01] IF YOU SHOULD PUT THIS FORWARD, TO RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO LISTEN TO WHAT THE VOTERS WANT AND TO RECOGNIZE THE DISCRIMINATION THAT IS NOW BAKED INTO THE CITY WITH THESE TERRACOTTA SIDEWALKS. IF YOU ARE SOUTH OF US TWO 90 ON CAMERON ROAD, IT LOOKS LOVELY. BUT IF YOU GO NORTHEAST OF CAMERON ROAD, NOT SO MUCH JUST PLAIN SIDEWALKS, NO INVESTMENT, AND THE FINISHING TOUCHES LOOK NOTHING LIKE THE REST OF THE CITY. WE SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SEE BASED ON THE SIDEWALK, WHICH SIDE OF THE CITY WE'RE ON, I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE AMANI, ANU, GOOD EVENING TASK FORCE, LEADERSHIP STAFF AND AUSTIN COMMUNITY, MY FELLOW CITIZENS. MY NAME IS IMANI ANU, AND I AM AGAIN HERE BEFORE THIS TASK FORCE TO ADVOCATE FOR FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE CARVER MUSEUM IN THIS UPCOMING BOND. I'VE, AS I'VE SHARED BEFORE, IN PRIOR MEETINGS, I MOVED TO AUSTIN IN 2005 AND AS A BLACK EXECUTIVE COMING TO AUSTIN, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS FOR ME IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO STAY IN THIS COMMUNITY WAS TO FIND OUT IF THERE ARE PLACES WHERE I COULD GET A CONCENTRATION OF PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND MY CULTURE, WHERE MY HISTORY IS AFFIRMED, AND WHERE MY TRADITIONS AND BACKGROUND ARE EXPRESSED ARTISTICALLY. AND THE CARVER MUSEUM IS A PLACE FOR THAT. WHAT I FOUND IN THE 20 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE IS THE CARVER MUSEUM IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT. THIS IS A FACILITY THAT SERVES ALL ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN A CONSISTENT AND RAPID PACE OF GENTRIFICATION IN AND AROUND EAST AUSTIN. THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES AROUND THE CARVER MUSEUM DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE HISTORICALLY BLACK EAST AUSTIN COMMUNITY FOR WHICH THAT FACILITY WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT AND ENVISIONED. AND YET THAT FACILITY CONTINUES TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY THAT LIVES IN AND AROUND ITSELF. AND IT ALSO CONTIN CONTINUES TO BE A CONVENING POINT FOR ALL OF THOSE HISTORICALLY BLACK AUSTINITES WHO HAVE, BECAUSE OF THE COST OF LIVING, BEEN PUSHED FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT FROM THE CENTER, UH, THAT THE 1928 PLAN RELEGATED OUR PEOPLE TOO. SO ALL OF THIS IS TO SAY THAT THE CARVER IS A FACILITY THAT IS SERVING ALL OF AUSTIN. IT HAS BEEN IN THE THROES OF THE NEED FOR INVESTMENT FOR WELL OVER A DECADE AND A HALF. AND LIKE ENOVIA SHARED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY STREETS, THERE HAVE BEEN PROMISES, THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, PROMISES AND COMMITMENTS MADE THAT THAT EXPANSION WOULD HAPPEN AND IT HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. SO I TOO AM ASKING THIS BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE AND STAFF TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND PLEASE SUPPORT THE CARVER MUSEUM. THE AMOUNT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE FACILITIES, UH, RECOMMENDATION OR WAS PRIOR IS $17 MILLION. AND I HAVE HEARD THIS COMMITTEE STRUGGLE THROUGH THIS TASK FORCE STRUGGLE THROUGH LOOKING AT WHERE CUTS CAN BE MADE AND WHERE FUNDS CAN BE REALLOCATED. I WAS ENCOURAGED AT THE LAST MEETING TO HEAR DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE CARVER RECEIVING SOME OF THOSE REALLOCATED FUNDS. AND I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. I'LL BE OPEN AND SAY THAT I WAS ALSO DISTURBED AT THE LAST MEETING AND PREVIOUS ONES. WHEN I HEAR THAT THE LEADER OF THE FACILITIES COMMITTEE, UH, THE SUBCOMMITTEE TASK FORCE SEEMS TO BE MUCH MORE FOCUSED ON OTHER ISSUES, UH, THAT THAT PARTICULAR GROUP, UH, DEALS WITH RATHER THAN FACILITIES RATHER THAN THE CARVER MUSEUM RATHER THAN THE COLONY PARK, UH, LIBRARY AND EARLY EDUCATION FACILITY. AND I WOULD ASK THAT TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THAT THOSE BE ADDRESSED, THAT THERE BE RECUSALS AND THAT THIS COMMITTEE PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING AND, UH, SUPPORT THE CARVER MUSEUM TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS AN UPCOMING BOND. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES SPEAKERS FOR NUMBER TWO. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, SO LAST WE MET, WE WORKED THROUGH THE SPREADSHEETS, WHICH CHANDLER IS GOING TO, I BELIEVE PUT ON THE SCREEN FOR US. UM, WE LEFT THAT MEETING FOCUSING ON THE, THE SPREADSHEET WE LABELED OPTION THREE FOR THE APPROXIMATELY $750 MILLION PACKAGE. AND THE SPREADSHEET WE LABELED SUB QUORUM, I THINK OPTION TWO, WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY 400 MILLION. SO TO FACILITATE HOPEFULLY THIS DISCUSSION, WHICH WILL LEAVE US TONIGHT WITH A, AN, UH, AN APPROVED RECOMMENDATION, I WILL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT FOR APPROVAL. THE SPREADSHEETS IN FRONT OF YOU. [00:45:01] IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO WE CAN NOW DISCUSS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO ADOPT THE FUNDING AS SET FORTH IN THESE SPREADSHEETS. UM, I'M GONNA OPEN IT UP OBVIOUSLY FOR DISCUSSION. I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL, VALUABLE FOR CHANDLER AND I WHO ARE TRACKING THE CHANGES THAT WE MIGHT MAKE, IS IF YOU'RE REALLY SPECIFIC ABOUT A PARTICULAR AMENDMENT TO A NUMBER AND WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT, DISCUSS THAT. IF IT'S, YOU'RE MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION VOTE SO EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR, UH, HEARING ON THEIR ITEM AND THEN WE'LL KEEP PROGRESSING. OKAY. SO I'LL NOW OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND I'M LOOKING AND I SEE KIBA. THANK YOU. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT, IT CAME UP AT OUR LAST MEETING AND, AND AGAIN, UH, I FORGET THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME MENTIONING HERE ABOUT THE, UH, ACTUALLY MAYBE A COUPLE PEOPLE MENTIONED THE EFFICIENCY WITH DOING THE COLONY PARK FACILITIES AS ONE BUILDING. UM, I GUESS THERE WAS A WOMAN WHO SPOKE TO ABOUT IT AS WELL. UM, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO 85 MILLION THERE, BUT I JUST DO THINK IT BEARS DISCUSSION. THOSE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THREE TOP PRIORITIES IDENTIFIED IN THAT GROUP AND IT WAS TWO HEALTH CENTERS IN THAT LIBRARY. UM, I DON'T KNOW, I, I GUESS I JUST DON'T, I DON'T WANT US TO, UH, NOT AT LEAST DISCUSS IF THERE'S A WAY TO, UM, MAKE THAT EFFICIENCY HAPPEN. AND MAYBE IT'S THAT THERE'S PHASE ONE AND TWO OF A COMBINED BUILDING AND WE TRY TO FA FUND PHASE ONE. I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A STAFF PERSON THAT COULD SPEAK TO THAT, BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT SEEMS COMPELLING TO ME. DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION ON WHERE YOU MIGHT FIND FUNDING FOR THAT OUT OF THE BUCKETS THAT WE CURRENTLY SHOW? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING. WE HAVE TO ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT'S THERE FOR THE HEALTH CENTER, RIGHT? UM, OR WE WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE IT. UM, SO I'M WONDERING IF ANY STAFF CAN SPEAK TO, COULD, YOU KNOW, I SEE THAT SOME OF THESE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN LIKE PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE. COULD WE DO THAT HERE? SO THAT, WHAT IS DESIGNED AS A SINGLE BUILDING THAT CAPTURES THAT EFFICIENCY? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES WHO CAN SPEAK TO WHETHER, I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHETHER 42 MILLION WOULD FUND A PHASE? YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS PHILIPPE. GET, I'M, UM, FACILITY MANAGER FOR AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH. UH, IF I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION CORRECTLY, UH, WHETHER 42 MILLION WOULD FUND A PHASE 42 MILLION IS A COMPLETE FACILITY FOR AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH. PROPOSED SERVICES FOR DIFFERENT UNITS AND CHILDCARE THAT'S HERE REPRESENTED BY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. SO, UH, THE 85 MILLION PROPOSAL IS HAVING LIBRARY FAC, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH AND CHILDCARE TOGETHER IN ONE BUILDING. UH, THE SITE THAT IS, UM, OFFERED AS A CITY OWNED, UM, IS, UH, SMALL BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. UH, SO, UH, THE PHASING PROBABLY SOMEBODY FROM CAPITAL SERVICE DELIVERY THAT'S ARCHITECT AND ANSWERING BETTER, BUT THAT WOULD BE VERY CHALLENGING, UH, OKAY TO DO IT IN PHASES. THANK YOU, RICH. YEAH, I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT. AND, AND THIS IS, THERE'S ACTUALLY A COUPLE. ONE IS, HOW DO YOU SEE THAT SPACE CURRENTLY PROGRAMMED OUT ON THE HEALTH SIDE, UH, HEALTH SERVICES SIDE? LIKE WHAT'S THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THEN TWO, I REALLY DO LIKE WHAT WAS SPELLED OUT IN, UM, THE ONE PAGE WHERE WE HAD, AND I TALKED ABOUT ALTERNATIVE DELIVERY METHOD THROUGH PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP ARRANGEMENT COULD SAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS. AND THAT'S, I'M REALLY WONDERING IF WE HAD LEVERAGED THE $42 MILLION, WHICH INCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEALTH FACILITY AND THE DAYCARE CENTER, AND WE ALLOWED THE DEVELOPER, WHICH I BELIEVE IS BRADBERRY DEVELOPMENT AND PUT IT IN THEIR HANDS AND BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE THAT SPEND. AND WE ALLOWED THE ERROR RIGHTS IF THERE'S A A A P THREE OPPORTUNITY HERE. SO, UH, WHEN WE PRICED AND, UH, DID A COST ESTIMATE FOR EITHER SEPARATE PROJECTS OR PROJECTS TOGETHER, WE WENT WITH THE CAPITAL SERVICE DELIVERY. THE CITY HAS A VERY ELABORATE SYSTEM OF LOOKING INTO EVERYTHING, THE VERY EXPENSIVE SYSTEM ABOVE MY PAY GRADE. SO, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WOULD BE NEW TO US AS, AS A DEPARTMENT. WE'VE BILLED FOR THE LAST TWO BONDS, [00:50:01] ALL THE FACILITIES ON TIME WITHIN BUDGET WITH WHATEVER CAPITAL SERVICE DELIVERIES. OUR PARTNER WITH ALL THE EXPERTS, ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS PROJECTED, AND THEY WERE ALWAYS ON THE MONEY FOR THE COST. SO, UH, UH, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. IT IT ON OUR END, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE PROMISE TO THE COMMUNITY, UH, WE CAN DEVELOP, DELIVER THIS COST ESTIMATE, DELIVERS THAT. SO ALL THE SERVICES THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED, AND THERE'S A PRECEDENT FOR IT, WE HAVE A DOVE SPRINGS THAT, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER THAT'S BEEN DEVELOPED WITHIN THE BUDGET AND ON, ON TIME AND IT'S FULLY FUNCTIONING NOW. AND WHAT'S THE SIZE COMPARISON BETWEEN THIS? THE IDENTICAL? SO WE IDENTICAL SIZE. YEAH. SQUARE FOOTAGE ALMOST IDENTICAL. YEAH. THE, THE CHALLENGE HERE IS THE SITE, THE DOVE SPRINGS PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER, UH, THROUGH PARTNERSHIP WITH PAR WAS, UH, GIVEN TO US THROUGH CHAPTER 26. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN SIX ACRES. AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT FULL PUBLIC HEALTH SERVICES AND CHILDCARE CENTER WITH ALL THE REQUIRED PARKING DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITHIN SIX UH, ACRES. THIS SOFTWARE SIZE IS A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THREE ACRES, SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A VERTICAL, WHICHEVER WAY WE DO IT. SO IS IT 12,000, REMIND ME, IS IT 12,000 SQUARE FEET? I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT COLONY PARK WAS. DOES SO, NO. UH, COLONY PARK WITH THE CHILDCARE, UH, CENTER PROPOSED 30,000 SQUARE SQUARE FEET WITH THE CHILDCARE CENTER. OKAY. TINA, AND MAYBE YOU OR MAYBE THE SPEAKER OR THE, THE ORGANIZATION HAS THE ANSWER. HAVE WE TALKED AT ALL WITH TRAVIS COUNTY IN RELATION TO THE, UH, CHILD TAX CREDIT THAT WE PUT FORWARD A COUPLE MONTHS OR A COUPLE LAST ELECTION CYCLE FOR THE DAYCARE CENTERS? QUESTION IS THERE QUESTION, IS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH TRAVIS COUNTY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AS A, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHEN I WISH OUR BOND TASK FORCE HAD MEMBERS FROM A ID TRAVIS COUNTY AND ALL THE OTHER TAXING JURISDICTIONS, SO WE REALLY COULD LEVERAGE ALL OF OUR ASSETS COMBINED. YEAH. UH, BECAUSE WOULDN'T IT BE WONDERFUL TO TAP INTO SOME OF THAT 75 MILLION THAT'S ANNUALLY COLLECTED THROUGH TRAVIS COUNTY FOR THE CHILDCARE TAX CREDIT TO BE APPLIED TOWARD THIS TYPE OF PROJECT? HAS THERE BEEN ANY, HAS THERE, YEAH. HAVE Y'ALL TALKED AT ALL WITH TRAVIS COUNTY TO BE INVOLVED IN THE CHILDCARE PART OF THIS AND PROBABLY IT'S FINE. OKAY. I I DON'T REMEMBER THAT COMING UP IN ANY OF THE PRESENTATIONS. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. , WE'VE BEEN ASKING THIS IN THE BEGINNING. NICOLE, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? YOU BROKE UP. I'M SORRY. I, I, I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN MAKING IT VERY CLEAR AS THE, NOT ONLY AT THE CHILDCARE, BUT DEFINITELY ON THE HOUSING AND HOMELESS STRATEGIES, THAT THERE BE MORE COORDINATED DISCUSSIONS. I'VE EVEN PUT STAFF IN CONTACT WITH COUNTERPARTS AT BOTH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY. SO OBVIOUSLY I, I THINK THAT WE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON. WE HAVE TO, WE OWE IT TO TAXPAYERS TO SEE WHERE WE CAN OPTIMIZE FACILITIES ACROSS ALL THE TAXING JURISDICTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES ARE BUILT IN THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY. AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD ENCOURAGE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE PART OF THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT ULTIMATELY GOES OVER. BECAUSE I, I HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. I KNOW WE'RE IN THE BASE PROPOSALS, IT'S 25 MILLION FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY NEED THE 50 MILLION. AND SO TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S HIGHER, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE AND NECESSITATE THAT KIND OF CROSS JURISDICTIONAL COORDINATION TO GET THESE PROJECTS DONE. BUT I KNOW THAT THAT WAS PART OF OUR INITIAL ASK ABOUT SORT OF COORDINATING A ACROSS ENTITIES AND THEY HAVE CONTACTS. I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO LEVERAGE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. WELL, WE, WE MIGHT CONSIDER, 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA, UM, HAVE THAT TODAY. WE MIGHT CONSIDER MAKING THAT A PART OF OUR, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT BE, UM, YES MA'AM. OKAY. YES MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE POLICY DISCUSSIONS AROUND OPTIMIZING, UM, JURISDICTIONAL RESOURCES IN THAT WAY AND MAYBE HIGHLIGHTING THE PROJECTS WHERE WE SEE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. I SAW DAVE'S HAND UP. YES. YEAH. WELL, WITH REGARD TO THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR A SMALLER AMOUNT AND A LARGER AMOUNT, ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE SMALLER AMOUNT FOR 2026 AND THE LARGER AMOUNT FOR 2028 OR WHAT? NO, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR TASK. I THINK OUR TASK IS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE 2026 BOND AND THE COUNCIL CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THAT. RIGHT. WELL, THE POINT IS THAT, UM, WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE'VE GOT MONEY THAT'S IN BOTH PLACES. AND IF THERE WERE A QUESTION OF DOING A SMALL [00:55:01] BOND, A SMALLER BOND IN 2026 AND A LARGER BOND, MAYBE NOT 2028, BUT 2032, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN UM, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK AND LOOK AT THE 750 MILLION AGAIN LATER. BECAUSE SOME OF IT WOULD'VE BEEN APPROVED IN THE 400 MILLION OR 385 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? I THINK WE'RE STILL KINDA TALKING ABOUT THE FUNDING OF THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY. SARAH, THERE A LIBRARY THAT WE HAVE THE COLONY PARK, UM, HEALTH CENTER IN THE, IN THE PLAN RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHAT THE QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD GET THE LIBRARY COMPONENT FOR, UM, TO MAXIMIZE ON EFFICIENCIES? OKAY. ANY OTHER, UH, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT HEARING A MOTION IN ANY SPECIFIC WAY TO FUND THAT. SO, WELL, SORRY, GO AHEAD. YEAH, SO I MEAN, I GUESS WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT TWO DIFFERENT, UM, OPTIONS HERE. AND SO ONE OF THEM, THE, THE BIGGER PACKAGE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE SHORT ON MONEY ALL ROUND, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE 25 MILLION WHEN WE NEED 50. UM, I WAS GONNA SAY MAYBE THE, SOME OF THE MONEY COULD BE SHIFTED TO AT LEAST LIKE DESIGN PHASE OR SOMETHING OF THE LIBRARY. UM, BUT THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY WORKS IF WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THE 50 INTO HOMELESS STRATEGY. SO I JUST, YEAH, WE'RE IN A BIT OF A BOX. I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, NECESSARILY OUR BEST OPTION TO ABANDON THE LIBRARY, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. I STILL AM WONDERING IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF PHASED APPROACH, BUT I GUESS WE'RE NOT GETTING AN ANSWER THAT HELPS WITH THAT. NICOLE, CAN YOU HELP ME TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYONE ONLINE WHO IS RAISING THEIR HAND? I CAN'T SEE. IF YOU'RE ONLINE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET MY ATTENTION, , I SEE NICOLE, IF YOU, IF YOU, AND PLEASE TURN YOUR CAMERAS ON SO WE CAN SEE IF YOU'RE HOLDING YOUR HAND UP. NICOLE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE PROPOSALS. UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE CARVER MUSEUM AS PART OF THE BASE PROPOSAL, BUT INITIALLY IT WAS 6 MILLION AND NOW IT'S 17 MILLION. I WONDER IF STAFF COULD JUST KIND OF OPINE AS TO HOW THE NUMBERS CHANGE SO DRAMATICALLY. AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS ON HOMELESS STRATEGIES, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A LITTLE BIT JUST PUTTING IN HALF OF IT. I'M NOT SURE THAT THE, I'M HOPING THAT THE PROJECT MAKES, RIGHT? AND SO DO WE NEED TO BE, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT ADVANCING PROPOSAL FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGIES OFFICE OF JUST HALF OF WHAT THE REQUEST IS WHEN WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE ALREADY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, GALVANIZING OUTSIDE PARTNERS TO PAY FOR THE TOTAL COST. OKAY. LET ME, SO YEAH, SO THOSE TWO QUESTIONS ARE MY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. CAN SOMEONE, UH, SPEAK TO THE CARVER COSTS AND THE HISTORY OF THE ORIGINAL COST AND THE 17 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN THERE? NOW? I'M ASKING STAFF. WHILE THEY'RE CONFERRING, COULD I MAKE A SUGGESTION, ? OF COURSE. UM, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE HAVE LESS THAN AN HOUR SCHEDULED FOR THIS MEETING. I'M WONDERING IF WE'RE WILLING TO LEAVE THE BIGGER PACKAGE THE WAY IT IS AND FOCUS ON THE SMALLER PACKAGE. 'CAUSE I THINK POLITICALLY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING AND THAT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT AT THIS POINT. I THINK IT'S CONFUSING TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND WE'RE REALLY SHORT ON TIME. I, I HEAR YOU. I'M HOPING THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE WILLING TO STAY BEYOND THE EIGHT O'CLOCK. YEAH. UM, TO, TO, BUT I HEAR YOU. I DO. LET, LET'S GET ERIC'S ANSWER HERE. OKAY. AND THEN WE'LL, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. YEP. UH, ERIC BAILEY, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF CAPITAL DELIVERY SERVICES. UM, THE DIFFERENCE IN COST THERE FOR THE, UH, ORIGINAL ESTIMATE FOR CARVER VERSUS THE UPDATED ESTIMATE IS, UH, WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AN ERROR IN OUR COST ESTIMATING AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND EVALUATED THOSE SCOPES A SECOND TIME AROUND AFTER THE INITIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND A LOT OF THE INPUT THAT CAME FORWARD ON THE CARVER, WE'VE DOUBLE CHECKED THOSE NUMBERS AND MADE SURE THAT THE NUMBER THAT'S IN THERE NOW AT THE 17 MILLION IS A REALISTIC NUMBER. THAT'S INCLUDES CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THERE'S AN [01:00:01] EXISTING PROJECT AT THE CARVER THAT IS UNDERWAY NOW IN THE DESIGN PHASE. I BELIEVE THEY JUST EXECUTED A, A DESIGN CONTRACT FOR THAT TO GET THAT MOVING FORWARD. AND THAT'S DID THE DESIGN FOR WHICH THE 17 MILLION WILL PAY THE CONSTRUCTION OF? YES. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, LOOKS LIKE MARCUS WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING. HOLD ON. I I DO WANNA ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THIS ESTIMATE TOGETHER, THAT THE 17 MILLION, BUT WE ALSO ADDED THE ONE FOR THE ESCALATION BY THE TIME WE ACTUALLY GET TO CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE TALKING 18 MILLION FOR THIS PROJECT. SO AS WE'RE DOING OUR MATH, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COUNTING FOR THAT EXTRA MILLION AS WE PROCEED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO $18 MILLION, SO IT SHOULD BE 18. SO, SO THREE TIMES AS MUCH AS THE INITIAL ESTIMATE GET, THE INITIAL ESTIMATE WAS THE, THE INITIAL ESTIMATE WASN'T, WAS NOT ACCURATE, JUST FOR CLARITY WAS WRONG. OKAY. OKAY. SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND ON HOMELESS STRATEGIES, DO YOU KNOW IF THIS WILL SATISFY THE NEED OR IS IT 50 MILLION? BECAUSE I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE 50 MILLION WAS THE, THE ACTUAL NEED AND THAT WAS PART OF POTENTIAL OF A HARNESSING ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE AND PRIVATE SOURCES. AND SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS 25 MILLION JUST, IS IT EVEN, UM, FEASIBLE IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO RENDER A PROJECT? APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I'M DAVID GRAY. I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SERVING AS THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S DIRECTOR FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGIES AND OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT. UH, DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THE QUESTION OF, OF COURSE, APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'VE ALL BEEN DOING, UH, FOR THE BETTER PART OF THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. UH, TO, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, $25 MILLION IS, UM, GOOD TO HELP US START WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PLANNING AND PREPARATION WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF, UH, DESIGNING OUT A, A 12,000 BED FAC, SORRY, 1200 BED FACILITY, 12,000 BED FACILITY WOULD BE PRETTY WILD. UH, BUT A 1200 BED FACILITY. UH, AND, AND IT WOULD HELP US, UH, CATALYZE IN A WAY SOME OF THE PRIVATE FUNDRAISING THAT WE'RE DOING. OUR PREFERENCE IS STILL FOR THE $50 MILLION. AND WE KNOW THAT AT $50 MILLION, WE FEEL MUCH MORE CONFIDENT BEING ABLE TO GO OUT AND FUNDRAISE AND RAISE THE REST OF THE MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, 25 MILLION, IT, IT WOULD BE A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US, BUT APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DAVID? UH, GARY? GARY, I DO, FIRST, I, I DON'T HAVE A HAND RAISE OPTION THROUGH THIS LITTLE, UM, TOGGLE, SO I'M JUST GONNA POP, UM, DAVID, THIS THE, THE FACILITY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM IS THAT THE HOMELESS RESOURCE CAMPUS IN SHELTER PROJECT? 'CAUSE WE'VE GOTTEN SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AT OUR LAST TASK FORCE MEETING. WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING? YES, SIR. GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. KIBA, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR YEAH, I JUST WANT, COULD YOU REPEAT WHAT'S THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST? SO THE TOTAL ESTIMATED COST IS IN THE BALLPARK OF $150 MILLION. OKAY. SO EVEN IF THE CITY PUTS IN 50, YOU ARE ONLY A THIRD OF THE WAY THERE. AND YOU THINK OTHER ENTITIES WILL COME UP? I, I DO. SO WE'VE BEEN HAVING GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN CONTRIBUTING TO THIS PROJECT. AND I THINK SOMEBODY ELSE HAD SPOKEN EARLIER ABOUT ENGAGING WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS. WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR PARTNERS AT CENTRAL HEALTH, INTEGRAL CARE, TRAVIS COUNTY, AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN MAKING INVESTMENTS TO THIS PROJECT. YOU KNOW, FOR US, WE SEE THIS AS A WAY, UH, TO REALLY BRING THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IN ON DELIVERING ON HOMELESS SERVICES. UH, OF COURSE, HAVING A THIRD OF THE COST COVERED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN SHOWS THAT WE ARE COMMITTED TO THIS PROJECT AND WE ARE PUTTING SKIN IN THE GAME, BUT ALSO WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT A COMMUNITY ASSET WILL BE FUNDED BY OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS. AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING WITH THOSE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, AS WELL AS OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED FROM THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, POCKETBOOKS, UH, CUTTING A CHECK TO HELP SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANA, WHERE IS THIS PROJECT LOCATED AT, MA'AM? WHERE IS THIS PROJECT LOCATED AT? SO WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF SITES THAT WE'RE SCOUTING, UM, AND, AND A SHORT LIST OF FINAL POTENTIAL LOCATIONS. OF COURSE, ANYTIME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING THE SHELTER, IT'S A CONVERSATION THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE WITH ALL OF AUSTIN AND ALL THE COMMUNITY. WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT TO GO IN WITH A SPECIFIC PREDETERMINED LOCATION WITHOUT ENGAGING OUR CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY ON WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME LOCATIONS IN MIND THAT WE'RE LOOKING, UH, ALL OF WHICH ARE ON CITY OWNED LAND. UH, AND SO NOT HAVING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY WOULD ALSO BE A COST SAVINGS FOR THIS PROJECT. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC LOCATION LIKE EAST OR WEST AUSTIN, NORTH SOUTH. WE, WE HAVE A SHORT LIST OF POTENTIAL SITES, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT PROCESS BY DISCLOSING THAT TONIGHT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. [01:05:01] BEN, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM? AM I RIGHT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, THIS IS ALSO A PROJECT THAT, UH, WOULD ENCOMPASS CO-LOCATION OF MULTIPLE SERVICES, MULTIPLE ENTITIES, AND IN THAT WAY SEEK OUT SAVINGS FOR THE CITY? MAYBE ON THE OM SIDE? YES. YEAH, EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, WE'VE VISITED A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT HAVE THESE TYPES OF CAMPUSES. UH, AND ONE THING THAT WE'VE LEARNED IS WHEN YOU HAVE THE SHARED PARTNERSHIPS ON SITE, UH, NUMBER ONE, THOSE PARTNERS WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO BUILDING OUT THE SPACE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD OUT THE SPACE IN A WAY THAT WORKS FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. BUT ALSO NOW THAT YOU HAVE THOSE PARTNERS ON SITE, THEY CAN ALSO FUND THEIR PORTION OF THE CAMPUS FROM THE OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE SIDE. AND I'LL SAY FROM A CLIENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WITH OUR ARCH H STREET TO MARCHING YARD FACILITIES, WE'RE VERY LIMITED AS TO WHICH SERVICES WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ON SITE. WE'RE HAVING TO SEND PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS ACROSS TOWN BY BUS OR BY VAN TO ACCESS HEALTHCARE SERVICES, SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT, JOB TRAINING SERVICES, ET CETERA. AND WHILE WE'RE STILL HAVING DECENT OUTCOMES, WE KNOW THOSE OUTCOMES CAN BE SIGNIFICANTLY ENHANCED BY HAVING THOSE SERVICES CO-LOCATED ON SITE. SO IN ADDITION TO THE COST SAVINGS FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ALSO JUST MAKES MORE SENSE. SO WE KNOW THAT IT LEADS TO BETTER CHANCES OF SUCCESS TO GET PEOPLE OFF THE STREET IF THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE VITAL SERVICES FROM WITHIN THE CAMPUS ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I, I SEE GARY, I SEE YOUR HAND UP. I'M GONNA CALL ON TINA AND THEN I'LL COME BACK TO YOU, TINA. UM, IF GARY'S COMMENT IS RELATED TO THIS, I JUST WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT ON THE OKAY. ON THE DOLLARS. GARY, DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE FUNDING? I DO. IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WORKING GROUP. UM, IS ANY OF THE 220 MILLION ON THIS SPREADSHEET, DOES IT INCLUDE THIS 50 MILLION? IT DOES NOT. GREAT, THANK YOU. UH, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU. PUT UP AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, MAKE CARVER MUSEUM AT 18 MILLION AND REDUCE HOMELESS STRATEGY TO 24 MILLION. SO CARVER IS WHOLE. IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION TO AMEND? I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION OF FULLY FUNDING CARVER AT 18 FOR, YOU KNOW, ADDING THE MILLION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GONNA COST AND REDUCING THE HOMELESS SERVICES OFFICE TO 24 MILLION. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT? I'M SORRY, EVA? YEAH, SORRY I'M GETTING USED TO THIS DIFFERENT MICROPHONE. UM, I GUESS I, I, I HAD HAD A QUESTION WHEN, I DON'T KNOW IF MARCUS IS THE RIGHT ONE, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING I KNOW WE ARE FOR ANIMAL SERVICES OR JUST FUNDING, FUNDING THE, LIKE DESIGN. I'M CURIOUS WHAT THAT WOULD CAUSE FOR THE LIBRARY. WAIT, I'M SORRY. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT HER MOTION IS? OR JUST THIS IS UNRELATED? WELL, IT'S RELATED IN THE, IF MONEY GOES TO ONE VOTE IS IT DOESN'T GO ANOTHER . WELL, I, I THINK TO KEEP US, I ORGANIZED, I THINK MAYBE WE CALL, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT AND THEN WE CAN CIRCLE BACK TO IF YOU WANNA MAKE AN AMENDMENT, IT'S GERMANE TO THE, TO THE, I'M SORRY. IT'S GERMANE TO THE MOTION BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATING TO THAT, THAT REQUEST YOU MIGHT WANNA DO MAKE A FRIENDLY TO FROM ANOTHER GROUP. BUT IT'S JUST MY ASKING. YOU MIGHT HAVE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO REMOVE IT FROM ANOTHER GROUP. I MIGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAH, I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE CARVER WHOLE. YEAH. AND HOWEVER WE MOVE THAT. YEAH. MARCUS, CAN YOU COME ANSWER A QUESTION, PLEASE? THANKS. YES MA'AM. GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS FOR THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY, IF WE CAN'T FUND THE ACTUAL BUILDING, IS WOULD FUNDING LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, KINDA LIKE WE ARE FOR ANIMAL SERVICES, WOULD THAT HELP MOVE THE BALL FORWARD? AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD THAT PRICE TAG BE? UH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT COST WOULD BE, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, WE ARE DOING SOME PRE-PLANNING FUNDING FOR, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, ANIMAL SERVICES AS PART OF THE CITY STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? WE HAD ANIMAL SERVICES, WE HAD THE HOMELESS SHELTER, AND THEN WE ALSO HAD SOME LAND ACQUISITION FOR FLEET SERVICES CENTER IN THE FUTURE. SO, BUT AGAIN, YES, THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE B TIFF F COULD MAKE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT. WE DO NOT HAVE A DETAILED DESIGN ESTIMATE ANYWHERE IN WITH THAT. AGAIN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED THROUGH THAT WHOLE FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THAT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO, BUT AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT YOU GUYS CAN MAKE AS A RECOMMENDATION TO LOOK INTO. BUT DOES THAT TYPICALLY LOOK AROUND 10% OF A CAPITAL PROJECT? UM, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF IT. SO IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THAT. SO ANYWHERE BETWEEN, IT'D BE 15, YOU KNOW, 20%, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PROJECT AND THE, AND THE SITE AND THE CONSTRUCTABILITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE WITH IT. HAYDEN, I THINK WE, YOU ASK A QUESTION ON THIS OR, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO CHECK MY HEARING AND MY MATH. UM, THERE'S 50 MILLION FOR HSO IN, IN THE SUB QUORUM. WE'RE, [01:10:01] I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 750 MILLION PACKAGE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THE 25 MILLION IN THERE. OH, OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT 18 AND 22 IS 40. NOT, I, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE 50. WHAT ARE YOU ADDING? 18 AND 22? I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT TINA WAS SAYING TAKE 18 MILLION OUT. NO, SHE'S ONLY TAKING 1 MILLION OUT OF THE 25 MILLION THAT'S GOING TO THE HOMELESS SERVICE OFFICE AND ADD IT TO CARVER TO GET THAT TO 18 TO FULLY F****D. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. OKAY. , THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CHECK. , I GUESS I'M JUST QUESTIONING, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING, WE'RE, WE'RE IN ABOUT WHERE WE HAVE MULTIPLE HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS. I WOULD LOVE THE COVER WOULD LIKE IT TO BE WHOLE AS WELL. UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE. I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THIS LIKE, BASIC LITERACY ISSUE THAT WE'RE HEARING, HEARING ABOUT IN COLONY PARK, AND I'M LIKE, BOY, LIKE PEOPLE WITH NO HOME, PEOPLE, KIDS NOT LEARNING TO READ THAT SOUND. THOSE SOUND LIKE PRETTY URGENT ISSUES. SO I'M JUST LIKE, NOT THAT, THAT'S MY HESITATION THERE, BUT THANK YOU BEN. I MAY BE THINKING A LITTLE TOO HIGH, HIGH, YOU KNOW, LEVEL, BUT OUR CEILING HERE IS LIKE THE BONDING CAPACITY OF THE CITY, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK $1 MILLION IS GONNA PUSH US OVER ON THE CREDIT RATING THING. SO MY, I MY SUBSTITUTION, IF IT'S FRIENDLY TO GET US TO THE 18, IT'S JUST WRITE IN 18 AND MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION JUST $1 MILLION MORE BY THAT AMOUNT. AND, AND I THINK THAT OUR CITY CAN, CAN HANDLE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S GONNA COMPLETE THE PROJECT. TINA, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN THAT? I'M HAPPY. ACCEPT THAT. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS, IS I GUESS AMENDED IS TO JUST SIMPLY CHANGE YEAH. THE CARVER TO 18 FROM 17. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? LOOK IT ONLINE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND HOLD IT UP FOR NICOLE. I THINK WE NEED NINE VOTES. IF YOU CAN COUNT THAT FOR ME. IF YOU'RE VOTING ONLINE, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR CAMERA ON. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. CHARLES, IF YOU WANNA VOTE, WE GOTTA SEE YOU. YOU HAVE US ALL? YES. THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. CHANDLER, WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE THAT CHANGE? OKAY. ANY, UH, ANOTHER, ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS PEOPLE WANNA MAKE TO THE 750 MILLION OR WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE SUB QUORUM. 7 51 OH CHAIR. 751. ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S MORE THAN THAT. IT'S LIKE 766. WE ARE 4 25. YEAH. RIGHT. DO WE HAVE TO GET TO 750? NO. OKAY. ? YES. WORK ON THAT HORSESHOE AND HAND GRENADES. CLOSE ENOUGH. UH, YOU WORKING? YEP. NOPE. TURN IT BACK ON. THERE YOU GO. SO I AGREE WITH KAI, BUT THIS IS THE, BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS, THE, THESE THREE, THE 400 AND THE SEVEN 50 ARE BOTH INADEQUATE FOR ALL THE NEEDS YOU TALKED ABOUT. UM, YEAH, I, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, I THINK SOMEONE'S NOT GONNA GET SOMETHING. AND I THINK FOR INSTANCE, ON THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY, ARE WE HELPING MORE PEOPLE BY FULLY FUNDING THAT NOW THAN, OR ARE WE HELPING MORE PEOPLE BY GOING AHEAD WITH $25 MILLION ON THE HOMELESS STRATEGY? MY THOUGHT PERSONALLY IS WE FUND THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DENIED FOR A LONG TIME. GET THE LIBRARY DONE AND LET THE CITY COME BACK WITH IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WITH ANOTHER BOND. I I, I JUST THINK IT'D BE SPLIT EVERYTHING UP. NO ONE GETS, GETS WHAT THEY NEED, LET'S GET IT DONE RIGHT FOR ONE AND OTHER PEOPLE LOSE THAT IT, SOMEONE'S GONNA LOSE EITHER WAY IN THIS. SO IS THERE A, A SPECIFIC DETAILED MOTION IN THAT STATEMENT, INCLUDING WHERE THAT OTHER FUNDING WOULD COME FROM OUT OF THE 750 ISH PACKAGE? WELL, MY MOTION I GUESS WOULD BE TO TAKE ALL OF THE MONEY FROM THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE AND PUT IT INTO THE LIBRARY COLONY PARK LIBRARY THAT WOULD NOT FULLY FUND THE LIBRARY. RIGHT. AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S OUR DIFFERENCE THERE? 25, 35, 15 17 MORE MILLION. UM, THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY WAS 54 MILLION. IF YOU DO IT TOGETHER, IT'S THE, IF WE DO, IF THE TOTAL, TOTAL OF 84 80 5 MILLION TOGETHER. 85 3 TOGETHER, YEAH, 85 3 [01:15:01] TOGETHER. SO YOU'D NEED TO GET 43 5 SOMEWHERE. SO 25 OUT OF HOMELESS STRATEGY. AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN REALLY HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE MATH CHALLENGE THAT I HAVE WITH THAT IS ONE, BOTH THE LIBRARY AND THE HEALTH CENTER CREATE NECESSITATE ONGOING O AND M NEEDS RIGHT. STAFF THAT ARE NOT IN PLACE TODAY THAT THE CITY'S GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT CAPACITY ON HOW TO BRING THE BUILDING UP WITH HOMELESS STRATEGIES. THERE'S INTERMITTENT NEEDS. I MEAN, THERE ARE CONTRACTS THAT TURN INTO A PUMPKIN. AND SO THE CONSOLIDATION SOMETHING IS NEEDED IF WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE PROVIDING HOMELESS SERVICES WITHIN THESE EXISTING SITES, THE COMPLETE CONSOLIDATION OR SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO CONTINUE ON THAT SUPPORT. SO THAT WOULD BE MY PUSHBACK ON UNDERFUNDING. WE'RE ALREADY UNDERFUNDING THE HOMELESS STRATEGIES, BUT TO TAKE IT OUT ALL AWAY, I THINK THERE'S SOME IMMINENT CONTRACT NEEDS AND THERE'S GONNA BE SERVICE GAPS AS OPPOSED TO SORT OF BUILDING SOMETHING THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN STAFFED OR BUILT OUT YET. AND SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY ISSUE. ROB, DO YOU WANNA CLARIFY YOUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND WE CAN TAKE A VOTE? I, I STILL, I AGREE THERE'S A NEED. I, I JUST DON'T THINK FOR, FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY, I DON'T THINK THAT NECESSARILY THIS BOND IS GOING TO FUND IT. SO I GUESS FOR ME, I WOULD TAKE WHAT I, THE 25 MILLION OUT OF THAT, PUT IT IN THE LIBRARY AND IF THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL GAP THERE IS MM-HMM . WHICH THERE WOULD, I WOULD TAKE THE BALANCE OUT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE 220 OUT OF THE DIFFERENT BASKET, I WOULD GET IT FUNDED. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. I'LL, I'LL SECOND. THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. WOULD THIS BE FOR THE COMBINED FACILITY? CORRECT. AT, WHAT WAS THAT, 88 AT COLLEY PARK. 85 MILLION. YES. OKAY, THEN I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? UH, BEN AND I'LL GO AROUND. YEAH, I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SECOND IT AND TO PUT IT IN THE NUMBER SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW ON THIS 7 50, 7 60 OPTION, UH, INSTEAD OF DOING TWO 20, WE'RE DOING 43 MILLION LESS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO IS THAT RIGHT NOW I THINK IT'S LESS BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING 25 FROM HOMELESS. HIS PROPOSAL IS 25 FROM THE HOMELESS STRATEGY AND WE NEED 43 5. SO WHATEVER DIFFERENCE THERE COMES OUT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING YOU NEED 18.1 COMES OUT OF THE 220. I GUESS I'M RECOMMENDING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. SO RIGHT NOW THE MOTION IS TO REDUCE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUCKET AND REDUCE THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE IN SUCH AMOUNTS AS TO FUND THE LIBRARY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SHE ZEROING OUT HOMELESS STRATEGY, ZEROING OUT, THAT'S, THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE, ZEROING OUT HOMELESS STRATEGY ON THE 750 MILLION PACKAGE AND REDUCING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALLOWANCE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? YES, DAVE? WELL, THE TWO BIGGEST ITEMS IN THIS SPREADSHEET ARE THE BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AND LOCAL MOBILITY, NEW SIDEWALKS. WHY AREN'T WE TALKING ABOUT TAPPING INTO THESE LARGE 65 MILLION, UH, BUCKETS INSTEAD OF TAKING MONEY FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE OR, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING? I'M NOT OPPOSED, I'M, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO TAKING IT OUT OF OTHER BUCKETS. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO FUND THE COLONY PARK COMBINATION. AGREE. I AGREE. I DREW IT ON MY GRAPH. I DREW IT ON MY, UH, BOX HERE. SO I AGREE WITH YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ROB PEOPLE IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO AMEND IN JUST A SECOND. I'M GONNA GET A COUPLE MORE PEOPLE WHO'VE RAISED THEIR HANDS. RICH, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP JUST ON HIS MOTION. YES. IT'S, UH, ROBERT, I WANTED TO, AND I CAN REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET SOMETHING DONE, YOU KNOW, CHECK THE BOX AND, AND MOVE ON. UH, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMUNITY, ONE OF THE RELUCTANCES I HAVE IS THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, UNIVERSITY HILLS BRANCH LIBRARY'S 1.9 MILES AWAY FROM COLONY PARK. AND I JUST WONDER, I MEAN, IS THAT, HOW DID DOES THAT AFFECT YOUR VOTE AT ALL? OR, AND THEN IF WE CAN GET SOME OF THESE DONE THROUGH ALTERNATIVE FUNDING, IF WE COULD MAKE THE REQUEST THAT THE FUNDING IS LEVERAGED THROUGH A P THREE [01:20:02] TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PROJECT DONE AND TO GIVE WHOEVER THE WINNING DEVELOPER IS, OR IF IT'S JUST GOING RIGHT TO THE CURRENT DEVELOPER TO LEVERAGE IT, UM, IF THAT IS A SOLUTION, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE OTHER LIBRARY AND WHETHER THAT WOULD BE A SATISFACTORY SUBSTITUTE FOR BUILDING THIS THAT JUST, THAT HASN'T COME UP 50 YEARS. PROMISE ANYBODY ONLINE HAVE A OR ON ICU. KENNETH. YEAH, IT UM, IT, SORRY. STRIKES ME THAT, IS THAT BETTER? OKAY. UH, IT STRIKES ME THAT THERE, UM, ONE ISSUE THAT WE'RE GONNA ENCOUNTER AS WE MOVE TO THE SUB QUORUM PACKAGE ARE SOME OF THE HUGE DISCREPANCIES THAT EXIST BETWEEN THE TWO. UM, AND THIS IS A CHANCE MAYBE TO START NIPPING THOSE IN THE BUTT A LITTLE BIT. I, I, I THINK DAVE BRINGS UP A GREAT POINT, WHICH IS THAT THERE ARE SOME BIG DIFFERENCES IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT FORWARD FOR THE SUBOR BOND AND, UH, FOR THE SEVEN 50 SIDEWALKS. UM, BUILDING RENOVATIONS FROM PLACEMENTS, PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS, ALL AREAS FOR, UH, MOVING STUFF AROUND TO THE 750 MILLION PACKAGE. THAT'S NOT A DIRECT COMMENT NECESSARILY ON THE MERITS OF THE COLONY PARK PROJECT, BUT JUST SAYING THAT I THINK WE CAN THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPANSIVELY, UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME TRY TO BE KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT FUNDING OPTIONS FOR CHANGES AT THE SEVEN 50 LEVEL RIGHT NOW. SO, BACK TO YOU, ROB. I THINK, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO CHANGE WHERE YOU WOULD, UM, SUBTRACT IN ORDER TO FULLY FUND THE LIBRARY FOR YOUR MOTION, RACHEL? I'M FINE TAKING IT OUT OF OTHER BASKETS. HEARING THE DISCUSSION. I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT OF WHICH BASKETS THOSE ARE GONNA BE. SO I GUESS MY MOTION WOULD BE . I, I GUESS I CAN'T REALLY GO THROUGH WITH IT IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE SOME DISCUSSION, I GUESS FIRST, SHOULD WE FULLY FUND IT? AND THE SECOND ISSUE WOULD BE WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? YEAH. CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REQUIRES TWO MOTIONS. YES. OR JUST FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE. WELL, I WOULD ASK SOMEBODY WHO IS ON THE PARKS, UM, PARKS AND OPEN SPACE WORKING GROUP ABOUT THIS BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS. I MEAN, IS THAT, DO WE NEED $65 MILLION FOR THAT OR CAN WE DO PART OF IT AND WAIT TILL LATER WE COULD TAKE THE MONEY OUTTA PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS BUILDING OUT NEW PARKS? WELL THAT'S ONLY 10 MILLION. SURE. BUT IT'S 10 MILLION AND THEN THERE'S FIVE TO, TO BRING THE SEVEN 50 PACKAGE IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR 3D FIVE FOR BUILDINGS RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENT. SO THAT'S FROM 65 AND THE SEVEN 50 TO 60 AT 3 85. SO IT'S 15. I'M ON THE PARKS WORK GROUP AND I THINK THE 65 WAS SORT OF A, A, A BARE BONES TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO THEIR MAINTENANCE FACILITY THAT THEY NEED. UM, YEAH, JUST BASICALLY BECOMES WHAT FACILITIES ON THE EAST SIDE YOU WANT TO CLOSE DOWN FROM LIKE FACILITY REPAIR? UM, I'M SORRY, ARE YOU, IS YOUR MIC ON? YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD TO GET PARK'S, UH, DEPARTMENT'S VIEWPOINT ON THIS AS FAR AS WHAT THAT 65 MILLION IS, BUT IT'S ALREADY BEEN SO BARE BONES AND SO IT'S KIND OF KNOWING WHAT WE'RE IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING BECAUSE IT'S, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN SOUTHWEST TO LOSE. DONALD, YOU'VE YOUR HAND'S BEEN UP. YEAH. GIVEN THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE SOME, UH, DIFFERENCE OF OPINION ON WHERE TO FUND THINGS, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST A SUBSTITUTE FUNDING BUCKET. UM, UH, I, I PROPOSE WE FUND BOTH THE FULL, UH, THE FULL, UM, MULTI-USE CENTER AT 85 MILLION FOR COLONY PARK AND THE HOMELESS STRATEGIES OFFICE AND THE CARVER MUSEUM IN THE SEVEN 50 BUCKET. WE BASICALLY NEED TO COME UP WITH A 43 MILLION FROM THAT. I WOULD SUGGEST TAKING 20 MILLION OFF OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, 5 MILLION OFF OF NEW SIDEWALKS LOCAL MOBILITY, 5 MILLION OFF OF VISION ZERO. THAT'S GETS US TO 30, TAKE ANOTHER 10 FROM WHICHEVER SLOTS IN PARKLAND AND OPEN SPACE MAKE THE MOST SENSE IN THIS CONTEXT. AND THEN MAYBE KNOCK OUT A SMALL PROJECT FROM STORM WATER. WHAT WAS THE LAST, WHAT WAS YOUR LAST COMMENT? A SMALL PROJECT FROM STORM WATER. THAT, THAT JUST TO COVER THE THREE OR JUST, WE HAVE THE EXTRA THREE SINCE WE'RE OVER SEVEN 50 ANYWAY. COULD [01:25:01] YOU, COULD YOU DO THOSE NUMBERS JUST A LITTLE SLOWER? YEAH. COULD YOU REPEAT THEM? SO LET'S REMIND OURSELVES THE, THE GAP WE'RE TRYING TO FILL, WHICH IS 43 5 40 3 MILLION. JUST 43. 43. YEP. OKAY. YEP. SO 20 FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FIVE, UH, UH, 20 FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 10 FROM WHEREVER IS BEST IN PARK LINE AND OPEN SPACE. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT THINGS THINKING ON THAT, BUT THERE'S, I I THINK SOME SHAVINGS FROM THERE IS, IS REASONABLE. UM, FIVE FROM LOCAL MOBILITY NEW SIDEWALKS, FIVE FROM VISION ZERO PROGRAM. THAT SHOULD GET US TO 40. UM, WE CAN EITHER FIND ANOTHER THREE, WHICH MAY BE SOMETHING FROM STORMWATER. THOSE HAVE THOSE SIZES PROJECTS, UH, OR UM, JUST KEEP THE EXTRA THREE. WHAT ABOUT ACQUISITION? THE, UH, A SUGGESTION ON WALNUT CREEK NORTH ACRES STORM DRAIN, THE 7 MILLION ON THAT CAN BE BROKEN DOWN INTO SUB-COMPONENTS. SO THAT MAY BE A PLACE WHERE WE COULD FIND THE THREE. ARE YOU FOLLOWING THIS CHANDLER? JUST SURE AT ALL. OKAY. AND THEN I'M GONNA LOOK UP TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY HANDS UP. YES, BEN, I WOULD SECOND THAT. AND I'VE GOT A COPY HERE TOO. I, I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION ABOUT THE SPREADSHEET. IT SEEMS TO INDICATE THAT WHEN WE GOT IT, IT WE WERE OVER BY 15.4 MILLION. IS THAT THAT IS CORRECT. SO ALL THOSE THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL OVER, WELL NOW WE'RE OVER BY 16.4 MILLION. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. ARE WE PLANNING TO ADDRESS NO, WE'RE NOT. WE'RE PLANNING TO THAT. WE'RE GONNA GET AS CLOSE TO 750 AS WE CAN AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE SUB QUORUM OPTION. OKAY. YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE CHAIR, SORRY. YES, TINA. WE'RE LIKE 30 MILLION OVER FROM STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON LOCAL MOBILITY STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS COMING AT 33 MILLION LOCAL MOBILITY FOR OUR GROUPS COMING IN AT 65. WHICH CATEGORY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? UH, TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION, LOCAL MOBILITY, NEW SIDEWALKS. SPECIFICALLY NEW SIDEWALKS. YEAH. STAFF'S COMING IN AT 33 FOR NEW AND WE'RE COMING IN AT 65. I I, NO, THAT'S HOW MUCH QUESTION, IF THAT'S ACCURATE, WOULD BE NEEDED TO FUND IT TO, UH, MOVE IT FORWARD. I MEAN, EVEN 65 IS SLOWING DOWN THE SIDEWALK DEPLOYMENT FROM TODAY. I I THINK THE STAFF REQUEST WAS LIKE 80 MILLION FOR THAT. YEAH, IT WAS 81. YEAH. CAN I, CAN I ASK, UH, GREEN, DOES RACHEL HAVE HER HAND UP? I THINK SHE'S HAD A HAND UP FOR A WHILE. THANK YOU. UM, I JUST WONDER, I MEAN, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO FULLY FUND THESE PROJECTS AND I DO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE WANNA WEIGH THE, LIKE, POLITICAL, UM, UH, WE JUST OUTSIDE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN. AND SO AS MUCH AS I, YOU KNOW, I DO STRUGGLE WITH THIS LINE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT AT SOME POINT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO NOT NEED A 2028 BOND. AND SO I, IT, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE, WE REALLY NEEDED, LIKE, IT WAS LIKE THE THREE 50 MILLION WAS KIND OF WHAT WE NEEDED TO NOT BE UNDERFUNDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND SO GOING DOWN TO 200 MILLION, I JUST, AT THAT POINT, I, I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE OPENING IT UP TO, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE MORE IMPORTANT PROJECTS TO BE USING THAN KIND OF TIDYING OVER AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BECAUSE IT WILL NEED A BOND IN 2028 IF IT'S FUNDED AT THAT LEVEL. SO, UM, I, I DON'T WANNA LIKE LET OTHER PROJECTS NOT BE FULLY FUNDED WHEN WE ARE NOT ALSO NOT FULLY FUNDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IT'S GONNA NEED MORE MONEY LATER AND THE, WE'RE GONNA NEED THE VOTERS TO WANT THAT LATER. SO I, I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT FOR CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT IS THE REAL CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING HAD IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOUSING. AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK LIKE SAVING A COUPLE MILLION IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUCKET IS NOT GOING TO HELP WHEN, WHEN THE NEED IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, TO BE HIGHER. AND SO IT WILL NEED MORE MONEY NO MATTER WHAT. UH, THANK YOU. UH, JUST TO CIRCLE BACK TO TRY TO KEEP US ON TRACK, I THINK WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION THAT STARTED WITH ROB AND THEN DONALD GAVE US SOME SUGGESTIONS ON HOW WE MIGHT FUND THE GAP. TINA, WERE YOU MAKING A, UH, WERE YOU TRYING TO NO, NO, NO. OKAY. THEN I THINK I'LL JUST RECAP WHAT THAT WAS. THAT WAS THE, UH, A MOTION TO FULLY FUND THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY BY TAKING 20 MILLION FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 10 MILLION FROM THE BUILDING RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENTS OUT OF THE PARKS, 5 MILLION [01:30:01] FROM SIDEWALKS, 5 MILLION FROM VISION ZERO AND 3 MILLION FROM THE WALNUT CREEK NORTH ACRES STORM DRAIN. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT. RAISE YOUR HAND. CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND PLEASE? SURE. I'D LIKE TO, INSTEAD OF TAKING IT FROM BUILDING RENOVATIONS, TAKE IT FROM PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE AT 10 MILLION. AND THAT'S FOR NEW PARK LAND. THAT'S NEW PARK IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S WHAT THAT CATEGORY IS. RIGHT? OKAY. ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? I'D TO SPEAK TO THAT. YEAH, THAT ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT, THAT TO ZERO THAT OUT WITH AS MUCH WORK AS WE'VE DONE AT THIS POINT. UM, I JUST THINK THAT WOULD BE UNFAIR. WELL, I THINK IT WAS ZEROED OUT WHEN WE CAME OUT OF THE WORKING GROUP, BUT I HEAR YOU. YES, BEN. I WOULD ALSO OBJECT TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE COST SAVINGS. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN THIS PUSH FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE CITY USING MORE OF THOSE STUFF THAT IT ALREADY OWNS. AND THIS PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM IS MONEY THAT WOULD LET US BASICALLY TAKE LAND THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT IN PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, YEARS AND DO THE SMALL THINGS THAT IT NEEDS TO TURN IT INTO A PARK AND MAKE IT MORE USABLE. SO I, I PREFER TO STICK WITH WHAT DONALD HAD HAD RECOMMENDED. JUST MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT ACTUALLY MAKING THE PARKS WAS GONNA TAKE A LOT MORE THAN THAT. BUT DONALD, UH, YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY, I HADN'T RECOMMENDED ANYTHING IN, BUT ANY SUBCATEGORY FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, UM, WOULD PARKLAND ACQUISITION KNOCKING 10 OFF OF THAT BE MORE PALATABLE? I MEAN, IT'S AT 50 40 IS NOT MUCH WORSE. SO INSTEAD OF PARK SUPPORT 10 MILLION FROM PARK ACQUISITION GOING FROM 50 TO 40 IN THE $750 MILLION PACKAGE, I, I WILL OBJECT. OBJECT TO THAT. DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION TO CLOSE THAT GAP SOME OTHER WAY? N NO, I, I I THINK THAT WE'RE, EVERY, EVERY, UH, HOPEFULLY EVERY SI IDEA IS GONNA BE OBJECTED TO HERE BECAUSE WE WORKED SO HARD TO GET TO THESE NUMBERS THROUGH THE WORKING GROUP, MANY, MANY, MANY SESSIONS OF WORKING GROUPS. AND WE ALL HAVE OUR REASONS FOR WANTING THOSE NUMBERS TO BE LIKE THEY ARE. I WILL SECOND KAI'S NOTE THAT THE WORKING GROUP ACTUALLY PUT ZERO FOR PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT IT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY. I THINK I'M SEEING HAND UP. I, I'M HAPPY FOR US TO ACQUIRE NEW PARKLAND. I AM, I'M HAPPY FOR US TO ACQUIRE AS MUCH THINGS AS WE CAN AND TRY AND FIX ALL THE BUCKETS WE HAVE. BUT WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY UNDERSERVED. THEY HAVE AN EXISTING FACILITY THAT IS UNDER MASSIVE NEED OF REPAIR AND IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED THAT WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON VERSUS BUYING NEW LAND THAT WILL CONTINUE TO SIT THERE FOR MANY MORE YEARS. BEN, WOULD ANYBODY OBJECT TO SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE IN DOING FIVE FROM EACH CATEGORY TO SMOOTH IT OUT? FIVE. FROM BUILDING, BUILDING AND FIVE AND FIVE FROM PARKLAND. ACQUISITION. ACQUISITION, RICH, THE, SORRY, CAN I JUST ADD THE, THE RATIONALE THERE IS THAT THIS, UH, SMALL AMOUNT FOR PARKLAND ACQUISITION IS THE THING THAT GIVES US CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THINGS WE ALREADY OWN. LIKE A TRAIL THAT CONNECTS TWO THINGS AND, AND, AND IS A MULTIPLIER EFFECT ON THE UTILITY OF STUFF WE ALREADY HAVE. IT ADDS EFFICIENCY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT PARKLAND ACQUISITION, THAT'S BEEN THE, THE MAJOR FOCUS THAT RIGHT NOW IS CONNECTING, DOING THAT TRAIL SYSTEM, THAT ACTIVATION, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, WE WANT TO HAVE THIS REALLY LINEAR PARK SYSTEM. WE WANT TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE METROPOLITAN PARK OR THE, OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK OR THE POCKET PARK. THIS IS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. WE LOST OUR PARKLAND DEDICATION ABILITY, UM, WITHIN A PREVIOUS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. YOU KNOW, AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OTHER BUCKET BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS, THIS IS WHAT, WHAT THE PRIORITIES WAS. GUS GARCIA SENIOR CENTER EXPANSION, DORIS MILLER AUDITORIUM RENOVATION, THOSE WERE THE, THE TOP TWO WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT WAS COMING FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO THE PARKS BOARD. SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING YOU'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF 5 MILLION FROM I I MEAN, ACQUISITION AND THE BUILDING RENOVATION? I AM SAYING THAT I, IT IS GETTING OLD EVERY MEETING THAT PARKS AND REC GETTING CANNIBALIZED BY OTHER THINGS. AND SO, UM, FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDED EV CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE UP TO 13 MILLION ON THIS. YEAH. IF YOU, IF YOU, IF YOU CARE ABOUT THAT GETTING THAT PROJECT, THEN LET'S START LOOKING AT THAT. WE HAVE SOME OTHER ASPECTS ON HERE WITHIN TRANSPORTATION. SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD GO. AND WHEN I LOOK AT, WHEN I TALK TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S THE TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS. WHERE IS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING? IT'S TOO HIGH? [01:35:02] WELL, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I THINK WE JUST SORT OF STRESS TEST THIS. OKAY. SO THE MOTION IS TO FULLY FUND THE CARVER LIBRARY WITH, WAIT, I THINK CALLING YOU CARVER. WHAT DID I SAY CARVER? SORRY GUYS. APOLOGIES. 20 BILLION FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING, 5 MILLION FROM THE PARKS BUILDING AND RENOVATION AND REPLACEMENTS. 5 MILLION FROM PARKLAND ACQUISITION. 5 MILLION FROM SIDEWALKS, 5 MILLION FROM MISSION ZERO, 3 MILLION FROM STORM WATER. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL. HOW MANY WAS THAT? I COUNTED NINE. NINE. HOW ALL OPPOSED PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. SEVEN. ANYBODY NOT VOTING? ABSTAINING? GARY, YOU'RE ABSTAINING. OH, OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES. SO RIGHT NOW WE ARE SITTING WITH A, I'LL JUST CALL IT THE $750 MILLION PACKAGE. CHANDLER IS, UM, KEEPING TRACK OF THOSE CHANGES AT THIS TIME. I THINK WE'LL TAKE UP THE SUBGROUP SUB QUORUM OPTION, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, UM, AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO APPROVE BOTH OF THESE. SO I'LL OPEN UP FOR COMMENTS ON THE SUB QUORUM OPTION. IS THAT UP ON THE SCREEN NOW? OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYONE WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SUB QUORUM OPTION AND ANY, ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO WHAT'S, UH, BEEN MOVED TO ADOPT LOOKING DOWN THIS SIDE? NO DISCUSSION ON THE SUB QUORUM OPTION. OKAY. RON, CAN I HAVE, WELL WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT. WE'RE, THERE'S NO FUNDING FOR THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY IN THIS ONE. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FUND THE COLONY PARK RANCH LIBRARY ON THE SUB QUORUM AND WE TAKE THE MONEY FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION? SORRY. OH, . I DON'T HEAR A SECOND ON THAT ONE. SO ANYONE ELSE WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR A REVISION? BEN? I MOVE WE PENCIL IN OUR 43 FOR COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY. SO WE DO THE COMBINED CENTER IN COLONY PARK 85 MILLION TO REALIZE THOSE SAVINGS AND THEN FIND THAT 43 THROUGH A DISCUSSION OF SEEING WHERE WE CAN PULL IT AS BROADLY FROM THE ONES THAT WE'VE AGREED IN OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATION. SO IT'S NOT IMPACTING ANY WORKING GROUP OR ANY CATEGORY AS DEEPLY. UM, SO YOU'RE JUST SUGGESTING WE TAKE A FEW MILLION MAYBE THINKING BUCKET, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICITY 'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO THE, YOU KNOW, TO THE MARROW. SO I CAN GET A SECOND A LITTLE MORE. ARE YOU JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE JUST INCREASE IT BY 43 MILLION? 'CAUSE I COULD GET BEHIND THAT. THAT WOULD PUT OUR RECOMMENDATION AT 443 MILLION. AND I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF, UM, STOPS BEING THE SMALLER PACKAGE. I I THINK WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE SUB QUORUM REQUEST AND 400 WAS THE TOP OF THE RANGE, RIGHT? SO I THINK KEEPING IT WITHIN THE REALM OF REASON IS, IS A GOOD PLACE TO BEGIN THE, AS MUCH AS I WOULD LOVE TO FIND A WAY TO ADD IT, I THINK EVERYBODY'S TAKEN A HAIRCUT ON THE SMALLER BOND PACKAGE AND RACHEL HAS HER HAND UP HERE. OKAY. UH, RACHEL, THANK YOU NICOLE. MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, I, WELL I WOULD LIKE, SIMILARLY THE MOTION THAT WE, I KNOW THAT THAT CARVER IS NOT ON HERE, BUT I, I WOULD ADD CARVER AND TAKE IT FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE, UM, SECOND AND TAKE THE, I I WAS GONNA SUGGEST TAKE THE REMAINING FUND, GET, GET THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE TO THE 25 MILLION, TAKE THE 18 FOR CARVER AND THE REST TOWARDS THE COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA SUGGEST. SO THAT WOULD, THAT, THAT WOULD GIVE 7 MILLION TOWARDS THE COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. UH, BEN, YOU KIND OF THOUGHT, SO RACHEL, JUST [01:40:01] QUESTION, ARE YOU ENVISIONING THAT THAT'S LIKE THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING OR HOW WOULD WE PITCH THE I THINK SHE'S SUGGESTING THAT'S THE BEGINNING. THINK IT WOULD AND WE START LOOKING FOR OTHER BUCKETS TO PULL FROM. I THINK I, IF I UNDERSTOOD THAT RIGHT, IT WOULD BE THE DESIGN. YEAH. YEAH. IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE THE DESIGN AND THEN SOME, I THINK IT WOULD GET IT, GET IT FURTHER AND IT WOULD MAKE IT A PRIORITY. OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS TO, TO BUILD UPON THAT. I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE 30 MILLION FROM PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS AND PUT IT TOWARDS THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY. UH, THE PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS WAS A CATEGORY THAT WAS ADDED LAST MEETING, UH, AND WAS NOT PART OF THE, UH, ORIGINAL SUB FORM RECOMMENDATION OR WORK. IT WAS THE PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE, I BELIEVE WAS A NOT, I APOLOGIES. IT'S SO, I KNOW IT'S A WEIRD DIFFERENCE THERE, BUT, OKAY. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY STILL ON BEN'S SUGGESTION THAT WE FULLY FUND THE COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS IN WHICH WE DO THAT. THERE'S BEEN THIS SUGGESTION THAT WE ADD CARVER AT THE FULL 18 SUGGESTION OF TAKING 25 MILLION OFF OF HOMELESS STRATEGY, LEAVING 7 MILLION TOWARDS THE FUNDING OF COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS ON THE FUNDING OF COLONY PARK LIBRARY? YES, I CAN CONCUR WITH, UM, I, I CAN SUPPORT RACHEL'S PROPOSAL. LIKE IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO RECOMMEND 25 MILLION IN ONE AND THEN 50 MILLION IN THE, THE, THE LOWEST POSSIBLE OPTION FOR HOMELESS STRATEGIES OFFICE. SO IF IT WORKS UNDER ONE SCENARIO, IT SHOULD WORK ON THE MORE MEAGER SCENARIO. OKAY. I, I AGREE WITH THAT. I GUESS MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE TAKE THE 25 FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY AND THE 20 FROM THE PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THEN WE HAVE ENOUGH TO JUST FUND THE LIBRARY AND, AND, UM, CARVER, RIGHT. LET THEM DON'T THINK THAT MATH'S RIGHT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT 20 PLUS 25 TO FUND, WE'RE TAKING 25 FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE TO FULLY FUND CARVER, WHICH IS, WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. OH, OKAY. I'M SUGGESTING WE TAKE THE 25 PLUS THE 20 AND WE FULLY FUNDED THE COMBINED BUILDING BY DOING THAT. I THINK IT'S THE HIGHER PRIORITY. SO LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOURS. YOURS IS 25 MILLION FROM THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE AND 20 MILLION FROM PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH, I MEAN I GUESS WE TECHNICALLY DON'T NEED 2 MILLION OF THAT, BUT, UH, YEAH. AND RIGHT, SO IT'D BE 18 MILLION FROM PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE 25 FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY OR, UH, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SLICE IT, I GUESS. UM, BUT THAT WOULD COME UP THAT WOULD GIVE US ENOUGH TO JUST FULLY FUND THE LIBRARY. I DON'T WANNA LOSE TRACK OF THE EARLIER I I HEAR YOU. YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AMENDMENT AND THE LIBRARY SCORED SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN CARVER. OKAY. NOT THAT I DON'T WANT CARVER, BUT IT DID SCORE A LOT HIGHER. SO THE EARLIER PROPOSAL KEPT CARVER IN AND I, I WANNA, I WANNA TRY TO DO THIS AS LIKE, MAYBE IT'S SLOW, BUT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS 25 MILLION FROM HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE TO FUND 18 MILLION OF THE CARVER AND 7 MILLION TOWARDS COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. I DID MY MATH. OKAY. BEN, YOU'RE, THIS IS YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION . I'M GONNA DESCRIBE IT THOUGH IN TERMS OF WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE, JUST BECAUSE THIS MOVING AROUND HAS KIND OF GOTTEN HARD FOR ME TO TRACK. BUT WHAT I'M GONNA DESCRIBE INCLUDES THE FUNDING FOR THE COMBINED COLONY PARK CENTER. RIGHT? UM, I'M KEEPING THE NUMBERS SEPARATE SO THAT IT READS 42 AND 43, BUT THEY ADD UP TO THE 85 MILLION. UM, THIS, YEAH. CAN CAN YOU DO THAT ON, ON CHANDLER'S SCREEN BECAUSE SHE'S ACTUALLY SHOWING IT AT TOP, TOP. YOU WANNA RUN IT FROM THE TOP? YEAH. OKAY. UM, I CAN DO THAT. SO THIS, SO ARE WE NOT HEARING RACHEL'S PROPOSAL? SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO A DIFFERENT PROPOSAL? NO, NO. WE, WE ARE, WE ARE STILL ON HER PROPOSAL. I ASKED BEN. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE $7 MILLION IN THE COLONY PARK LIBRARY BASED ON RACHEL'S MOTION. SO I THINK BEN WAS PROPOSING A WAY TO WHICH HIS ORIGINAL MOTION WAS TO FULLY FUND THAT. SO I'M GIVING HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO TELL ME WHERE HE'D GET THAT FROM. I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT ENDS UP AT 400,000 AND FUND 400 MILLION. 400 MILLION, SORRY. YEAH. YEAH. DROPPING IN THREE ZERO. UM, 400 MILLION AND FULLY FUNDS COLONY PARK, BOTH HEALTH CENTER AND LIBRARY. AND 18 FOR CARVER. 25 [01:45:01] FOR THE HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE. OKAY, THIS IS HOW I GET TO IT. STARTING AT THE TOP IN PARKLAND'S AND OPEN SPACE. UH, SIMILAR TO THE OTHER OPTION, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 60 MILLION FOR BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS. 45 FOR PARKLAND ACQUISITION, AQUATICS PROGRAM AT 44 PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM AT 10 PARKLAND, IMPROVEMENTS AT 30. NEXT, NEXT CATEGORY, FACILITIES AND ASSETS. COLONY PARK PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER PORTION 42 18 FOR THE CARVER MUSEUM. 43 FOR THE COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY. KNOWING THAT THOSE TWO COLONY PARK ONES ARE GONNA BE COMBINED, UH, LEAVING THE ANIMAL SERVICES AT 3 MILLION HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE DOWN TO THEIR BARE MINIMUM 25 MILLION. UH, AND DOES THAT GET YOU TO YOUR 400? ANY DISCUSSION ON, ON THAT? YEAH. CHANDLER, CAN YOU GO BACK THROUGH IT ONE MORE TIME? UM, DOES IT MAP THE NUMBERS? YEAH. YEAH. HERE. YEAH, IT WORKS. UH, ALL THE MICROPHONES ARE ON ME. OKAY. UM, SO FOR PARKS, I HAVE A TOTAL OF 189 MILLION WITH BUILDING RENOVATIONS AND REPLACEMENTS AT 60 PARKLAND. ACQUISITION AT 45 AQUATIC PROGRAMS AT 44 PARKLAND. INFRASTRUCTURE AT 10 PARKLAND, IMPROVEMENTS AT 30, THEN TWO FACILITY AND ASSETS. I HAVE A TOTAL OF 131 MILLION COLONY PARK PUBLIC HEALTH CENTERS. 42. AND THE BRANCH LIBRARY IS 43. SO THAT'S FOR A TOTAL OF 85 MILLION. GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER AT 18 ANIMAL SERVICE CENTER, CAMPUS IMPROVEMENTS AT THREE, HOMELESS STRATEGY OFFICE AT 25 MILLION. THEN FOR TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 80 MILLION. SO FOR SIDEWALKS, THAT'S 30. VISION ZERO, THAT'S 16. SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL. EIGHT URBAN TRAILS, EIGHT BIKEWAYS NINE TRANSIT ENHANCEMENTS. THREE. THEN VEHICLE TR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AT SIX. IS THERE A SECOND FOR BEN'S REVISED MOTION? OKAY. DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. OKAY. PROPOSE YOUR AMENDMENT TO BEN. SO MY CONCERN IS WITH THE AQUATICS, BECAUSE THIS AMOUNT WAS REALLY, UH, JUST ENOUGH TO FUND THE HIGHEST PRIORITY POOLS. SO THAT, OR AT RISK OF CLOSING, UM, WHICH I, I JUST DON'T FEEL IS ACCEPTABLE. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE TAKING, UH, WHAT, 21, 20 1 MILLION OUT OF THERE. CAN WE SPREAD THAT OUT AMONGST THE OTHER PARKLAND ACQUISITION, PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS? I JUST, I THINK WE ARE CONSISTENTLY HEARING NOT JUST IN THIS BODY, BUT IN THE CITY, THAT PEOPLE WANT THE POOLS OPEN. PEOPLE NEED THE POOLS OPEN. SO THE 21 MILLION SHORT, WE WOULD DIVIDE THAT AMONG THE FOUR OTHER PARK AND COME BACK TO 65. UM, I'M, I'M SUGGESTING THE THREE, THE THREE PER LAND ACQUISITION PER LAND INFRASTRUCTURE AND IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. ALTHOUGH IMPROVEMENT. IS THERE A SECOND ONE ACTUALLY REPAIR? YEAH. PER, IS THERE IMPROVE A SECOND ON THAT, UH, SUGGESTED AMENDMENT AND MAYBE JUST PER LAND ACQUISITION AND AN INFRASTRUCTURE. SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? ASK A CLARIFYING. ARE YOU SAYING TAKE NOTHING OUT OF AQUATICS? FULLY FUNDED. I MEAN, IT'S NOT FULLY FUNDED. 65 MILLION BACK 60, 65. I MEAN, MAYBE TAKE IT TO 60, BUT EVEN THAT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE RUN THE RISK OF A POOL CLOSING OR SOME SORT OF, SO WE WOULD DISTRIBUTE THE 16 MILLION ACROSS. YEAH. WHICH, WHICH WERE YOUR TWO PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKLAND ACQUISITION. IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT? I'D SECOND THAT. WELL, I CAN, IS THERE NOTHING TO COME OUT OF TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION? THAT'S, THAT'S THE WELL, LET'S JUST WHAT WE NEED IT TO BE. WE GOT A SECOND ON THAT. IF WE CAN JUST, ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT AMENDMENT TO BEN'S SUGGESTION, RAISE YOUR HAND. COULD, COULD I ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? YES. . UM, IT, WE HAD A PRESENTATION AT OUR LAST MEETING, UM, THAT TALKED ABOUT HOW THE PRESS IS MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT CITY PARKLAND THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT HAS NEVER BEEN OPENED AS PARKLAND. AND THE SUGGESTION WAS TO AT LEAST GET TRAILS ON THE GROUND AND GET THOSE OPEN. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY IN BEN'S PACKAGE TO DO THAT, BECAUSE I THINK AS WE LOOK FORWARD TO PUTTING THIS TO A PUBLIC VOTE, THAT'S GONNA BE A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION. AND SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT FROM PARK STAFF IF, WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM AND CAN THEY DO THAT OR AT LEAST GET THAT UNDERWAY SO THAT WE ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO PASS [01:50:01] A BOND WITH VOTERS. SO UNDER KAI'S SUGGESTION, I THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, CHECK MY MATH GOES DOWN TO 12 AND THE PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS GOES DOWN TO 22. WE'RE TAKING 8 MILLION FROM EACH OF THOSE. I WOULD ALSO BE HAPPY TO JUST TAKE IT OUT OF ACQUISITION. I MEAN, TO THIS POINT, I THINK THE OTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THAT IS LIKE, WHY ARE WE CONTINUING TO POUR MONEY INTO PARKLAND ACQUISITION IF WE CAN'T PAY TO DEVELOP IT? I GET THAT IT WILL BE MORE EXPENSIVE LATER, BUT SO WILL EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S NOT UNIQUE TO PARKLAND. I DO BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS STAFF AND THE WORK GROUP'S PRIORITY. SECOND PRIORITY WAS ACQUISITION. IT'S ALSO UNIQUE IN THAT THE SUPPLY GOES DOWN DRAMATICALLY. YEAH, THE PRICE GOES UP DRAMATICALLY. SO CAN WE GET STAFF TO OPINE ON WHETHER OR NOT, I THINK HAYDEN'S QUESTION IS, CAN WE TAKE EXISTING PARKLAND THAT HAS NOT SEEN IMPROVEMENTS, PUT AT LEAST TRAILS AND OR OTHER SORT OF LOWER IMPACT OR COST IMPROVEMENTS. MM-HMM . IF WE LOWER THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS AS I JUST MENTIONED, SO INSTEAD OF 20 FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, IT WOULD BE 12 INSTEAD OF 30 FOR IMPROVEMENTS, IT WOULD BE 22. SOMETHING AROUND THERE. SINCE ACCIDENT RECREATION, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK I WANT TO ADDRESS THE, UM, THE STATEMENT THAT PARKS, UM, THAT WE ACQUIRE, LAND AND PARKS ARE CLOSED. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. AND UH, UH, WHENEVER WE ACQUIRE LAND, THAT IS IMMEDIATELY, UH, OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND IT IS AVAILABLE FOR PASSIVE RECREATION, UH, WITH VERY MINIMAL, UH, INTERVENTION, INTERVENTION UPFRONT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE HAZARDS, FOR EXAMPLE, IMPROVE SIGHT LINES, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN, UM, CREATE, PUT BORDERS, UH, BORDERS SO THAT THERE IS NO, UM, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IN THERE. SO PARKS ARE ALWAYS OPEN. UM, THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE AMENITIES. AND FOR THAT WE NEED, UM, THE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE, UM, INFRA, SORRY, THE PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE. IF WE ARE TO DEVELOP, UM, A NEW PARK, THAT WILL BE THE PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS. SO THIS IS THE FUNDING THAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING NOW. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO GAUGE WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE LESS OF THAT. WE DEFINITELY, AS A CITY, I THINK WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF, UH, UM, DEMAND FOR PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH. DID YOU SAY THAT IT, IS IT PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT DEVELOPS THE NEW PARKS IMPROVEMENTS? SO WE'VE BEEN TAKEN FROM THE WRONG BUCKET. THESE NAMES . SO I GUESS WE HAVE A SECOND ON YOUR MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR? IF I NEED TO REPEAT WHAT KAI, COULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION, THE NUMBERS? YES. SO I, YEAH, I'M GONNA, YEAH. SO INITIALLY YOU ALREADY WERE PROPOSING TO TAKE 10 OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT? AND NOTHING OUT OF IMPROVEMENTS. I LISTED THE NUMBERS I HAD STARTING ON THE LEFT. 60 FROM 60 IN BUILDING RENOVATIONS, 45 AT ACQUISITION, 44 AT AQUATICS, 10 AT INFRASTRUCTURE, AND 30 AT IMPROVEMENTS. OKAY. THEN I, I'M GONNA MAKE MY, I'M GONNA MODIFY MY AMENDMENT. OKAY. AND I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE, INSTEAD OF TAKING THE 10 OUT OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WE TAKE IT OUT OF PARKLAND IMPROVEMENTS. SO THAT ONE. AND, AND THEN ACTUALLY I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE ANOTHER 10 OUT OF THAT BECAUSE WE NEEDED AN, AN ADDITIONAL 16 IF WE'RE NOT TAKING IT ALL OUT OF AQUATICS. SO I'M GONNA MOTION THAT WE TAKE THAT CATEGORY TO 10 AND THEN TAKE PARKLAND ACQUISITION TO 39. DOES DOES THAT MATTER? AND, AND LEAVE PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE AT 20 BECAUSE THAT'S FOR ACTUALLY REPAIRING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, DO YOU KEEP BUILDING RENOVATION REPLACEMENTS AT 60? YEAH. IT WASN'T MESSING WITH WHAT HE PROPOSED THERE, BUT THEN I'M PROPOSING THAT AQUATICS GO TO 60, SO IT'D BE 60 39 60 20 10. DOES THAT ADD UP? IT, IT MAPS. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. OKAY. DOES ANYONE NEED THAT REPEATED? [01:55:01] DOES ANYONE NEED THAT REPEATED BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT AMENDMENT TO BEN'S? CAN WE REPEAT IT ONE MORE TIME? HOW WE ARE THE TOTAL? BEN, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR MOTION? CAN I JUST, SORRY, RACHEL, CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE WE VOTE? YEAH. OKAY. CAN I HAVE DISCUSSION AS WELL? YEP. RACHEL, I, I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY WE CAN ONLY TAKE FROM PARKS AND NOT FROM TRANSPORTATION. WE CAN TAKE FROM OTHERS. WE CAN MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THAT. I THINK I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP US MOVING. I WONDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT, I MEAN, FROM BEN AND TBA WHO ARE MAKING THESE SUGGESTIONS, IS THERE A REASON WE ARE ONLY TAKING FROM PARKS AND NOT FROM TRANSPORTATION AND ELECTRIFICATION? I, I GUESS I'LL, I'LL SPEAK TO MY, UH, APPROACH. I THINK THAT THE PARKLAND ACQUISITION AND, AND BUILDING OUT NEW PARKS IS A NICE TO HAVE. I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVING SAFE SIDEWALKS IS A MUST HAVE. AND I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE OTHER ITEMS DOWN IN THE TRANSPORTATION FIT MORE INTO THE NEED CATEGORY, UH, THAN THAN BUYING MORE PARKLAND. WHICH AGAIN, I LIKE IT. I LOVE THE PARKS, I USE THE PERKS. UH, BUT IT JUST, OKAY, BRIDGE BRIDGE DID YOU WANNA HAVE? YEAH, WELL I'D ACTUALLY ADDRESS WHAT WE WERE ASKED FOR THE SUPPLEMENTAL BOND PROPOSAL, WHICH WAS 250. AND IF WE'RE GONNA DO IT, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. BUT 250 TO 260 MILLION FOR PARK PROJECTS, NOT INCLUDING ANY MAINTENANCE FACILITIES, 50 TO 60 MILLION FOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES SUCH AS LIBRARIES AND CULTURAL ARTS. 75 TO 80 MILLION FOR ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION. SO WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE WHAT WE WERE ASKED FROM THE SCOPE OF COUNSEL OR AT LEAST THE SUBOR. IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, THAT'S FINE. YOU ARE GONNA JEOPARDIZE A BOND, WHICH I'LL BE VOTING AGAINST WITH IN THE FULL RECOMMENDATION. I THINK WE WANNA BE, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S FINE TOO, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU MAY BE HAVING IF YOU'RE GONNA GET REALLY CLOSE, YOU WANT TO GET AS MUCH CONSENSUS AS POSSIBLE. AND ALL I SEE IS A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE REALLY RUNNING WHAT THE BOND PROGRAM'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE A, A RECOMMENDATION OR A COUNTER? MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO GO WITH WHAT THE, THE SUB QUORUM WE ORIGINALLY HAD OPTION WE, WE WORKED ON LAST WEEK. WE'VE MADE SOME SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TODAY. SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES THAT FRANKLY LIKE I'M SURPRISED ABOUT. YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS LISTED AT THEIR PARKS AND RECREATION, THEY ARE MOSTLY FOCUSING ON THE, THE PART OF THE CITY THAT'S BEEN NEGLECTED THE LONGEST. AND YET WHEN WE'RE MAKING THESE CUTS, WE'RE NOT REALIZING IT. UM, SO I, I THINK WE STICK IN LINE WITH WHAT THE COUNCIL MAKES THE RECOMMENDATION FOR OR WHAT THE SUB QUORUM HAS ASKED US FOR AND DO THAT WORK. OTHER DISCUSSION. I SEE. UM, RACHEL'S HAND UP. WELL I THINK THAT'S KIND OF CHALLENGING THAT WE'RE BASICALLY TRADING PARKS VERSUS CARVER AND COLONY PARK. LIKE WHAT? I MEAN THESE ARE ALSO COMMUNITIES THAT, I MEAN WE'VE HEARD TODAY HOW MUCH THESE COMM THESE AREAS HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED. SO IT'S, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY CHOOSING PARKS THAT ARE NOT, THAT ARE IN THOSE AREAS, WHEREAS THESE ARE DELINEATED PROJECTS THAT ARE SPEAKING TO THEIR NEEDS. SO THAT'S KIND OF A TOUGH PIECE TO 0.1 AGAINST THE OTHER. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK BEFORE WE VOTE ON BEN'S REVISED AMENDMENT? BEN, CAN YOU PLEASE? I THOUGHT I HEARD A VOICE ONLINE. NOPE. YES, ME OVER YOU. OH, SORRY ANNA. YES, IT'S OKAY. UM, I JUST WANNA GO ON THE RECORD. I'M GONNA NOT BE SUPPORTING THE SUBC QUORUM PIECE AT ALL. AND I'LL GIVE YOU STARTING OFF WITH EIGHT REASONS. EDWARD JACKSON 32 IN 2013, AND THAT'S WHEN THE ONION CREEK FLOOD WAS FLOWING AT TWICE THE SPEED OF NIAGARA FALLS. JOSEA RODRIGUEZ 31 AND HER EIGHT MONTH OLD BABY JAY TWO UNIDENTIFIED MALES IN 2015. THE FLOOD WAS GOING AS FAST AS 2.5, THE SPEED OF NIAGARA FALLS GUI TORRES 50 FROM DEL VALLEY, EDWARD HERNANDEZ 37 FROM DEL VALLEY TO, HE WAS WITH TWO OTHER MALES AND THEY WERE RESCUED. AND THEN INES ORTIZ GARZA 67. THIS, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, STORM WATER IS TOTALLY LEFT OUT. I BROUGHT MY MAP THAT WE GO BY IN 7 8, 7 4 4, WHERE ONION CREEK LITERALLY GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I CANNOT IN GOOD FAITH SUPPORT THE SUB QUORUM AND THEN GO FACE MY NEIGHBORS IN [02:00:01] DISTRICT TWO AND TELL 'EM I SUPPORTED THIS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THIS WAS ABOUT. WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AT ALL. SO I CANNOT, AND I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE SUB QUORUM PIECE BECAUSE OF THAT. THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH LOST LIVES. UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF THIS OTHER STUFF, IF WE TOOK SOME OF THIS STUFF OUT IN THE SUB QUORUM, WOULD THAT PREVENT THE CATASTROPHIC EVENT? I'VE MENTIONED LONGHORN DAM MANY TIMES. I AM NOW APPROACHING CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND LETTING THEM KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT THEY'VE HEARD ABOUT IT. AND I KNEW ABOUT IT DURING THE FLOOD MITIGATION TASK FORCE MEETINGS THAT WE WERE HAVING IN 2015. AND NOW FOR ME TO GO ALONG WITH THIS, I CANNOT, IN GOOD FAITH ETHICALLY OR MORALLY, I CANNOT SUPPORT THE SUB QUORUM. WE NEED TO STAND WITH THE COMMUNITY AND BE RESPONSIVE TO THEIR NEEDS, ESPECIALLY IF IT COMES DOWN TO THEIR LIVES AND THEIR PROPERTY AND PEOPLE IN, IN ANYWHERE. IF THEIR HOME IS ALL THEY HAVE, AND IF THEY LOSE THAT THEY HAVE NOTHING. IF THEY HAD FLOOD, KNOW THE FLOOD INSURANCE, THEY ABSOLUTELY HAVE LOST EVERYTHING. SO I JUST NEED TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL, I WON'T WASTE YOUR TIME. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW RIGHT NOW. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE SUB QUORUM APPROACH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER, CAN I MADAM CHAIR ON, JUST TO DOVETAIL ON HER COMMENTS, ARE WE TAKING A VOTE ON A SUB QUORUM AS WELL? LIKE WE'RE GOING TO ADVANCE A CONDENSED VERSION OF A, A GROUP OF NOT EVEN MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND, AND SUBMIT THAT AS WELL. WE'RE, WE'RE CREATING, ARE WE SCHEDULED? SORRY, IF, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE GROUP, IF THERE, IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO PUT FORTH THE SUB QUORUM BASED ON A VOTE WHEN WE GET THERE, THEN YES. OKAY. WELL I'M, I'M AGREEANCE WITH NTA. I MEAN, I, I MEAN I DON'T NECESS NECESSARILY THINK THERE WILL CONSIST I'M SORRY, ANNA. SORRY. WAS IT, IT'S ANNA. ANNA. I'M SO SORRY. ANNA . I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT WAS WHAT OUR CHARGE WAS. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK EVERYONE VOTED IN AGREEMENT FOR THAT SUB QUORUM. AND WHY ARE WE, WHY DO WE FEEL COMPELLED THAT WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, FALL INTO THE BUCKETS? IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD JUST THEN, THEN RICH RICHARD IS WHITE, THEN WE SHOULD JUST STICK TO THE BUCKETS. THANK YOU. SO ALL THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, SO I'M IN AGREEMENT THAT THE SUB QUORUM OPTION IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF B TIFF, BUT THAT'S JUST ME. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON BEN'S SUGGESTION TO MODIFY THE SUB SUB QUORUM OPTION? DO WE NEED BEN TO REMIND US WITH THAT? I HAVE QUESTION. YES, SORRY TO INTERRUPT. NO PROBLEM. BUT THE, OR IF, IF, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE SUBOR REQUESTED US TO, TO PUT $250 MILLION FOR PARKS 2, 2 50 TO TWO 60, I THINK TWO 50. TWO 60. AND WHAT IS OUR, THE TOTAL NOW THAT WE'VE MADE THESE REDUCTIONS AND THAT THAT ABOUT 180 SOMETHING. UM, OKAY, I CAN'T SAY IT, IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT I HAVE THE INITIAL TO WHAT BEFORE WE DID ALL THESE CHANGES, IT'S THIS ROW RIGHT HERE, WHICH IS AT 2 25. THEN AMENDMENT ONE, WHICH I HAVE AS BEN'S IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. AND THAT'S WHAT HAS THE A ONE, A TWO IS KBAS AND IT'S RIGHT UNDER HERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. HOW, HOW MUCH IS A ONE, WHICH IS THAT I THINK THE ONE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, BOTH OF THE AMENDMENTS ARE 180 9. 180 9. SO THAT'S LESS THAN THEY ASKED. AND RICH, I GET YOUR POINT ABOUT THE, THE SUB QUORUM DIRECTED US TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I THINK I RECALL YOU SAYING ALSO THAT THE SUB QUORUM REALLY DIDN'T PUT A PENCIL TO THESE NUMBERS. IT WAS SORT OF MAYBE MORE OF A WHAT'S GONNA LOOK GOOD TO SELL THE BOND TO GET THE PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR IT. I'M NOT, I'M COMFORTABLE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE BULLETIN RIGHT NOW ON, ON THE COUNCIL FORUM AND IT'S PRETTY CLEAR. IT, IT'S CLEAR, BUT I I MAYBE I'M MISREMEMBERING THAT THEY WERE CER THEY DIDN'T REALLY CONSIDER IT TOO DEEPLY. THEY WERE NUMBERS. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ANALYSIS WENT INTO THOSE NUMBERS. MAYBE A LOT, BUT, AND IT WASN'T MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL, WAS IT RICH? IT WAS, IT IT WAS ONE SHORT. IT WAS, THAT'S WHY IT WAS SUB ONE SHORT AND THE MAYOR SHORT FIVE. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT A FORMAL RESOLUTION. HAYDEN, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. OH, OKAY. BUT ANYWAY, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING FOR LESS THAN THE TWO 50. I I WAS JUST GONNA POINT OUT THAT WE WERE ALSO FORWARDED THE PARKS BOARD RECOMMENDATION THAT HAPPENED THE OTHER NIGHT. AND THAT WAS ALSO FOR 2, 2 50. YEAH. RIGHT. OKAY. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA VOTE AGAINST ALL THESE AMENDMENT, BOTH THE AMENDMENTS BECAUSE, UM, TO RICH'S POINT [02:05:01] AND, UM, AS RACHEL SAID THAT WHAT ALL THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING IS, IS TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE, THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE BUCKETS. AND UM, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CONSISTENTLY HEARD OVER THESE LAST MANY MONTHS OF BEING TOGETHER THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR IN THIS BOND, UH, PROPOSALS. WE'VE HEARD, UM, WE, WE'VE HEARD MUCH LESS ABOUT THE TRANSPORTATION, UH, PIECES AND WE'VE HEARD NOTHING, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE ELECTRIFICATION PIECES. ALTHOUGH I, WE, I, WE DID SEE THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT WE'VE HEARD PERSON AFTER PERSON AND GROUP AFTER GROUP TALKING TO US ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF FUNDING, PARKS, PARK, GRANT ACQUISITION REPAIRS TO BUILDINGS AND, UH, SO THAT I'M GONNA BE VOTING NO TO ON, ON THESE AMENDMENTS. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. IS THAT TINA'S HAND UP THERE? YES. UH, SO ARE WE ADVANCING THE FULL SEVEN WHATEVER WE AT 7 65 AND THE 400, OR ARE WE DOING THE 400? I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAD A STRAW POLL CONSENSUS, WE'D KNOW WHERE WE'RE SPENDING OUR TIME AND ENERGY PENCILING. BUT IF THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD, THE SMALLER BOND AT THE SUB QUORUM LEVEL, WHICH AGAIN IS NOT A DIRECTIVE BY COUNSEL AND QUITE HONESTLY A LITTLE IN THE NINTH INNING THROWN TO US ON A MESSAGE BOARD BECAUSE THE POLITICS OF IT ARE HARD. I GET IT. BUT ALSO DON'T PUT THAT ON THE BOND ADVISORY TASK FORCE WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR A YEAR AND A HALF IN THE OPEN MEETINGS, IN THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE OPEN HOUSES, TAKING ALL THE SURVEYS. I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE KIND OF HITTING THE BRAKES. GRANTED WE HAVE OVER 10 BILLION UNMET NEEDS. WE'RE NEVER GONNA GET ALL THE WAY THERE. UH, BUT I, I MEAN, I STRUGGLE WITH, WITH TRYING TO DO QUICK MATH, UH, IN THE NINTH INNING FROM A COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD POST. I I HEAR YOU. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE TAKEN AN OFFICIAL, OFFICIAL POSITION, IT SEEMED IN THE LAST MEETING THERE WAS APPETITE FOR, FOR CONTINUING A DISCUSSION OF AND BEING RESPONSIVE TO THE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE. UM, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. WE, WE COULD DECIDE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT FORWARD THAT WE, WE WILL GET, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE ON IT SHORTLY HOPEFULLY. AND WE MAY NOT AGREE TO DO THAT, BUT THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. BEN, ARE WE READY TO VOTE ON YOUR, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF COMMENTS MADE. I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN. OKAY. I THINK WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND WE'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT OUR VARIOUS TOPICS. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF FROM STAFF. AND THE FIRST THING THAT'S CLEAR AND WE ALL AGREE ON IS THAT THE NEEDS IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTSTRIP OUR DEBT CAPACITY. WE HAVE MORE NEEDS VERY DEEPLY FELT THAN WE CAN AFFORD TO DO ALL OF IT. SO WE'RE FORCED TO LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE CAN AFFORD AND SEE HOW WE WOULD DO IT. THAT'S WHY I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF A SEVEN 50 ISH, SEVEN 60, YOU KNOW, 7 66, 4 25 IS WHAT WE JUST LANDED ON. UH, BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE SOME WHO ARE SAYING, THIS IS TOUGH, LET'S NOT DO IT AT ALL AND PUNT IT ANOTHER TWO YEARS. AND I ALSO THINK THAT WE SHOULD ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF, OKAY, IF WE WENT WITH SOMETHING SMALLER, WHAT COULD WE DO NOW? AND, YOU KNOW, THEN DO SOMETHING LATER TO MEET SOME OTHER NEEDS. UH, I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M NOT, UH, I'M NOT BEHOLDEN TO THE HARDEN THE NUMBERS THAT I LAID OUT THERE. I WAS JUST TRYING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING THAT GOT US TO SOME OF THE SAVINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. BUT MY PREFERENCE WOULDN'T BE FOR THE SMALL ONE. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO GO, TO GO, GO BIG EARLIER NOW AND HANDLE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT. THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO, WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO THERE, HERE'S SOME THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO FOR 400 MILLION . YEAH. UH, I SHARE THE, THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE KIND LATE CHARGE HERE. AND I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN I THINK THAT ALIGNS WITH, UH, ANNA HAS BROUGHT UP THAT NOT ONLY WAS IT A LATE CHARGE, UH, IT WASN'T LIKE GIVE US A 400 MILLION PACKAGE, IT WAS ALREADY BROKEN DOWN INTO THESE CERTAIN AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN CATEGORIES, UH, THAT LEFT OUT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. SO, YOU KNOW, I I SHARE THAT CONCERN. I THINK IF IT HAD COME EARLIER AND IT WAS MORE OPEN-ENDED, THEN I WOULD FEEL VERY DIFFERENT ABOUT IT. UM, ONE THING THAT I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANNA POINT OUT IS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE AMENDED THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE TOTAL, BUT WE WERE AT 180 5 IN OUR BIG PACKAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHERE WE LANDED, BUT I DON'T THINK WE ADDED TO IT. SO IT'S KIND OF, WHAT'S THAT 1 7, 1 75. [02:10:01] SO AT 1 75 IN THE BIG PACKAGE, IT MAKES LITTLE SENSE TO ME THAT WITH A SMALLER BUDGET WE WOULD PUT MORE INTO THAT CATEGORY. LIKE WHERE, WHERE'S THE LOGIC THERE? UM, AND I THINK IT JUST COMES FROM GETTING THESE NUMBERS FROM THE SUB. SO THAT IS PR I THINK SUPPORTS TAKING SOME OFF OF THAT CATEGORY BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GETTING US BACK TOWARDS WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY AT IN OUR LARGER PACKAGE. GOOD POINT, RICH. YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE PURPOSE WAS FOLLOWING THE DIRECTION OF THE REQUEST AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO. BUT GIVEN THAT WE COULDN'T DO THAT, I THINK WE JUST REMOVE THE SUB QUORUM ALTOGETHER. 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T, WE COULDN'T DO IT. RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE GOING LOWER THAN WHAT IT IS, SO WE FAILED TO DO THAT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND SEE WHERE WE, IF WE CAN LAND ON SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS ON THE FULL PACKAGE AND LET COUNSEL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. OKAY, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE A VOTE ON THE CURRENT BEN AMENDMENT TO THE SEB QUORUM OPTION. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE REVISED S SORRY, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE. A ONE ON THE SPREADSHEET ABOVE. SO MY MOTION TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT. VOTE HIS FIRST AND THEN, YEAH. YEAH. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF BEN'S AMENDMENT. RAISE YOUR HAND. EIGHT. OKAY. THAT MOTION FAILS. SO WE ARE BACK TO THE SUBC QUORUM OPTION TWO THAT WE AMENDMENT STARTED WITH. OR WE CAN, UH, HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO BEN'S MOTION. THIS FAILED HIS HIS FAILED. YEAH. ANYONE WANTS TO, OR WE COULD JUST MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, ABANDON THE SUB QUORUM AND ADOPT THE, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I WERE YOU MOTIONING SHE'S MOTIONING TO ABANDON THE SUB QUORUM. I WAS GONNA MOTION TO DO KAYA'S NUMBERS. IS THERE A SECOND TO KAYA'S MOTION TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUB QUORUM? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THE MOTION TO ABANDON THE SUB QUORUM AS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE B TTIP DISCUSSION? BEN, I THINK THE RISK WE RUN WITH THIS IS THAT THEY LOOK AT THAT 2 7, 2 50 OR 7 50, 7 60 NUMBER AND SAY, NOPE, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT DESPITE THE RECOMMENDATION. AND GO AND, AND SAY, LEAVE IT FOR TWO YEARS. SOME OF US WON'T EVEN BE AROUND. UH, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO DOUBT THEY WILL NOT DO $750 MILLION. BUT WE DID NOT MEET, WE DID NOT, WE DID NOT MEET WHAT WAS ASKED. SO, SO LET'S DO SET, LET'S DO THE SEVEN 50, WHAT WAS ACTUALLY PART OF THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND THEN THEY'LL GO AHEAD. THEY'RE GONNA CHANGE THE BONDS UP ANYWAYS. WE ARE A DATA POINT, A MAJOR DATA POINT, BUT WE ARE A DATA POINT. AND THEN THEY'LL GO AHEAD AND FINALIZE IT BASED UPON THE STAKEHOLDER. I THINK THERE'S VALUE IN OFFERING A, HEY, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THE FULL BLOWN ONE, WHICH WOULD YOU STRONGLY RECOMMEND AS IT COVERS THE NEEDS AND YOU ARE GONNA GO SMALLER, HERE'S MAYBE A MORE NUANCED WAY THAT CAN CAPTURE SOME THINGS, SOME, YOU KNOW, CAPTURE SOME DEEPLY FELT LONG, NEGLECTED PARTS OF THE CITY WITH THE UNANIMOUS VOTE. THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE. YOU, I THINK YOU'RE FAR FROM UNANIMOUS VOTE, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TEST THAT THEORY. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WASN'T MAKING AMENDMENT MAKE I MAKE ALSO MAKE, I WAS NOT MAKING A MOTION. I ALSO WAS NOT JOKING. I WAS JUST SAYING WE COULD DO THAT. I, SO YOU DID NOT MAKE A MOTION. I TO I DID NOT MAKE A MOTION. I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION. BUT I AM WONDERING IF, I MEAN, DO WE EVEN JUST KIND OF STRAW A POLL? LIKE ARE WE DOING ALL THIS WORK FOR NOTHING? STARTING, STARTING TO WONDER LIKE, WELL IF I WILL SAY FROM THE STORMWATER PERSPECTIVE, BASED ON WHAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SUB QUORUM, ABSOLUTELY. STORMWATER DID ALL OF THIS FOR NOTHING. ABSOLUTELY. SO, I MEAN, THIS WAS MY POINT AT THE BEGINNING WAS THAT ARE WE LISTENING TO WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM COUNCIL AND POLITICS AND OR ARE WE GOING ALONG WITH OUR INITIAL THING? BECAUSE WE ARE HEARING FROM THE SUB QUORUM THAT THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED RIGHT NOW IN FUNDING STORMWATER OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER PIECES OF THIS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO STAY EXACTLY WITH THE SUB QUORUM. I MEAN, THERE'S NO POINT IN A SUB QUORUM TELLING US WHAT THEY WANT AND THEN WE JUST VOTED IN. EXACTLY. THEY CAN DO THAT AT CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT US. SO IF WE'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH THIS AT ALL, THEN WE ARE THEN THERE IS NO POINT. WE CAN JUST LET CITY COUNCIL DETERMINE IT. BUT IF WE WANNA WEIGH IN, I [02:15:01] THINK WE CAN WEIGH IN ON A $400 MILLION BOND AND WE CAN WEIGH IN ON A SEVEN $50 MILLION BOND AND GIVE IT TO COUNSEL AND LET THEM TAKE OUR CONSIDERATION. THEY CAN STILL DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. SO WE MIGHT AS WELL GIVE OUR THOUGHTS FORWARD. DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I, I AGREE WITH YOU, RACHEL. I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO, BUT IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, BOTH PACKAGES AND ESPECIALLY THE SUB QUORUM ONE, AT LEAST WE'RE REPRESENTING TO THEM OUR EVALUATION OF WHAT THE INPUT WAS AND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. AND WE'RE AT LEAST MAKING THAT WE'RE AT LEAST REPRESENTING THE PUBLIC THAT'S ALSO SPENT A LOT OF TIME COMING TO THESE MEETINGS. I, I I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT. WE MOVE FORWARD A SEVEN 50 AND A 400. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? I JUST DON'T WANT US TO BE LEFT OUTTA THE CONVERSATION. TO RACHEL'S POINT, ALL IN FAVOR OF MOVING TWO RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD WITH THE SEVEN 50 AND THE 400 LEVEL. RAISE YOUR HAND. IS THAT RACHEL? 'CAUSE YOUR HAND UP. I CAN'T. YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS. YES, IT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S A LITTLE DARK. ALL OPPOSED. CAN YOU MARK, ARE YOU MARKING WHO'S OPPOSED DOWN? YES. OKAY, HOW MANY WERE IN FAVOR? 11. THAT MOTION PASSES. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE SITTING WITH THE ORIGINAL SUB QUORUM OPTION TWO. AND I WILL ENTERTAIN, UM, IF THERE ARE ANY, THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE. A MOTION TO AMEND BEN, I MOVE. WE GO WITH THE NUMBERS THAT KIVA LINED OUT ORIGINALLY THAT ALLOWS US TO COVER THE, THE, UH, CENTER IN COLONY PARK, INCLUDING BOTH A HEALTH CENTER AND A LIBRARY AND CARVER MUSEUM DOLLARS. AND HOW ARE YOU PAYING FOR THAT? ALRIGHT, SEE IF I GOT THE NUMBERS RIGHT. STARTING AT THE TOP IN PARKS 60 39, 60 20 10. IS THAT, WERE THOSE YOUR NUMBERS? YES. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THEN YOU HAD CUT HOMELESS STRATEGY IN HALF, RIGHT DOWN DOWN TO 25? YES. IS THERE A SECOND, CHERYL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT PROPOSAL? JOE'S ABSOLUTELY AGAINST IT. WE'RE FURTHER AWAY FROM WHAT THAT SUB QUORUM DIRECTIVE IS. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING PARKS AND REC ADVOCATES TO GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THIS BOND, I BELIEVE. YEAH. I I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I THINK THAT IT HAS BEEN KIND OF AN UNBALANCED MATH, BUT I DUNNO HOW TO GET THE MATH. IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT, IF WE'RE GONNA GO BUY THE SUB QUORUM, RIGHT? THEY PUT 50 IN FACILITIES AND ASSETS AND WE HAVE CURRENTLY 95 OR WHATEVER NOW THE NEWER NUMBER IS, AND PARKS HAS BEEN UNDERFUNDED FOR SO, SO LONG. UH, I I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST MAKE IT FOUR 50 INSTEAD OF 400 AND JUST ADD THESE THINGS IN AND THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT SECOND. SO, UH, LET ME JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. ADDING THE 50 DOES WHAT RACHEL, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, YOU'LL BE ADDING 45, RIGHT? LET'S, YEAH, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE MATH, BUT WHATEVER. TAKING THE 25 AWAY FROM HOMELESS SERVICES TO FUND THE OTHER PIECES AND THEN WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO INCREASE WOULD JUST ADD IT TO THE TOP OF THE BOND TO COVER THE LIBRARY AND THE CARVER WITH HOMELESS STRATEGY AT 25? YES. OKAY. CAN Y'ALL QUICK DO THAT MATH? WELL THEN BASICALLY IT'S, THAT'S 43 PLUS THE CARVER, RIGHT? 4 61. THAT ADDS WE GO TO 4 61. DID I NOT ALREADY? MINUS THE 25. OKAY, SO 4 36. 4 36 MM-HMM . IS THERE A, UH, A SECOND FOR RACHEL'S AMENDED SUGGESTION? I SECONDED. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? WE WOULD BE FUNDING THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE AT THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT IN THE SUB QUORUM. WE WOULD BE FUNDING THE COLONY PARK BRANCH LIBRARY. WE WOULD BE FUNDING THE CARVER AT 18 AND REDUCING HOMELESS STRATEGY TO 25 MILLION. SO I'M NOT LIKE NECESSARILY [02:20:01] OPPOSED TO THAT, BUT WE DID NOT VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT WAS ON THE TABLE ALREADY. OKAY, LET'S GO BACK. THAT WOULD BE YOUR MOTION THAT BEN, IT MOTION. BEN'S MOTION. MY SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT, WHICH WE CAN WITHDRAW IF YOU WANT, BUT I THAT'S YOU WANNA WITHDRAW? I THE CONVERSATION MOVED ON. I'M, I'M HAPPY TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT WAS. I APPRECIATE THAT. SO YOU WITHDRAW. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NUMBERS SUMMARIZED, NOT LIKE THE MOVING THE NUMBERS AROUND, BUT JUST GIVE THE, THE TOTALS ACROSS THE OKAY. ACROSS THE TOP. BUT YOU NEED TO WITHDRAW YOUR MOTION. YEAH. YEAH. I WITHDRAW MY MOTION. MOTION WITHDRAWN. I LIKE WHAT THEY SAID. SO NOW WE HAVE THE MOTION FROM RACHEL THAT HAD A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF RACHEL'S OF THE REVISED SUB QUORUM. OPTION TWO AS RACHEL PRESENTED IT, RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. UNLESS I'M WRONG. I THINK WE NOW ALL, ALL OPPOSED. SORRY. AND ANY ABSTENTIONS? YOUR ABSTAINING. DID THAT MOTION PASS? NICOLE? 11? THAT MOTION PASSES. RIGHT? SO AT THIS POINT WE HAVE AN APPROVED $750 MILLION PACKAGE AND AN APPROVED SUB QUORUM PACKAGE. I THINK THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF ITEM TWO. BEN, COULD WE GET THOSE NUMBERS RESTATED? JUST YES. CAN I ACTUALLY, CHANDLER, YOU WANNA READ THEM OUT? YES, I'M GONNA READ THEM OUT. OKAY. SO FOR PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, WE HAVE BUILDING RENOVATIONS REPLACEMENTS AT 60 PARKLAND. ACQUISITION AT 50, AQUATICS WILL BE AT 65, THEN PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE WILL BE AT 20 PARKLAND, IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE AT 30. AND THAT'S FOR A TOTAL OF 2 25. MM-HMM . IS THAT ALL GOOD? MM-HMM . OKAY. FACILITIES AND ASSETS. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 1 31. THAT'S WITH THE JOINT COLONY PARK BRANCH AND PUBLIC HEALTH. UH, LIBRARY AND PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER. THAT'S 85. AND THEN THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER AT 18 ANIMAL SERVICE CENTER IMPROVEMENTS AT THREE. HOMELESS STRATEGY AT 25 FOR TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION. WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 80 MILLION LOCAL MOBILITY, OR SORRY, SIDEWALKS AT 30, VISION ZERO AT 16. SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL AT EIGHT. UM, URBAN TRAILS AT EIGHT, BIKEWAYS AT NINE, TRANSIT ENHANCEMENTS AT THREE. AND VEHICLE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE AT SIX. AND THAT GIVES US A GRAND TOTAL OF 4 36. OKAY. UH, ITEM THREE. UH, KABA HAS SOME, SORRY, KABA. UM, NOTHING, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUB QUORUM, BUT I, I'M REALIZING THAT I THINK AS WE WERE AMENDING THE BIG PACKAGE BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUING CONFUSION ABOUT THE DIFFERENT PERKS CATEGORIES THAT WE WERE TAKING, AND I THINK MAYBE CAN WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS BACK UP WHERE WE LANDED? I THINK WE MAY HAVE ZEROED OUT THE MONEY FOR ACTUALLY REPAIRING THINGS IN PARKS INADVERTENTLY NO PARKLAND INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S UP THERE. WE HAVE PARKLET AND INFRASTRUCTURE AT 10 AND WE DON'T HAVE IMPROVEMENTS ON THERE. OKAY. SO WE ZEROED OUT AND, OKAY, NEVERMIND. WE DID IT RIGHT ON THAT. AND WHEN WE JUST, I HAVE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. QUESTION. THANK YOU. AM DOUBLE CHECKING. DID WE JUST NOW VOTE ON THE SUB QUORUM? WE DID JUST VOTE ON THE SUB QUORUM. OKAY. THEN CHANGE MY VOTE TO, NO. OKAY. WE JUST VOTED ON AN AMENDMENT TO IT. THAT'S WE VOTING THE FINAL AMENDMENT. VOTING. OH, I THOUGHT WE WERE VOTING ON THE FINAL PASSAGE. WE VOTE ON THE FINAL PACKAGE. YEAH. YEAH. I THOUGHT WE YEAH, THOUGHT WE VOTED ON THE FINAL. THAT WAS THE VI VOTE ON THE FINAL PACKAGE FOR SOME FORM. OKAY. SO THEN IF THAT WAS THE VOTE ON THE FINAL PACKAGE, THEN, THEN HOW'S THE VOTE ON THE FINAL PACKAGE? BECAUSE IT WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE PACKAGE AND THE RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT, BUT WE AMENDED THE PACKAGE AND APPROVED THAT CHANGE TO 4 36. WE APPROVED THE CHANGE, BUT THEN WE STILL NEED A FINAL VOTE ON THE PACKAGE AS AMENDED. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DID. YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE AMEND IT. AND I'M SORRY JUST TO KEEP IT CLEAN. YEAH. UH, I MOTION THAT WE TAKE A FINAL VOTE ON BOTH PACKAGES AS THEY HAVE BEEN DECIDED TONIGHT. CAN WE VOTE ON, IS THERE A SECOND? SEPARATE SECOND. WE'RE VOTING ON BOTH PACKAGES. CAN WE VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY? WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON 'EM ONE AT A TIME. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU MODIFY YOUR MOTION TO VOTE ONE AT A TIME PLEASE? I MOTION, MOTION [02:25:01] THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE, UM, A LARGER ONE JUST IN CASE. YEP. ID MOTION THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE LARGER ONE FOR APPROXIMATELY 767 MILLION. THERE A SECOND. SECOND. CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? IF WE APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION APPROVING THE SUBC QUORUM OPTION. I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO APPROVE? BECAUSE WE, BECAUSE THEORETICALLY IF WE APPROVE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE ARE THEN NO LONGER WE DISSOLVED. I WOULD WITHDRAW MY MOTION TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE VOTE TO APPROVE THE BOTH OF THEM. UH, THE, THE 400 AND WE CAN DO THE SUB QUORUM ONE FIRST BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT YEAH. THE THE ONE FOR. WHY IS IT THAT WE GIVE BOTH FOR THE SUB QUO AND THAT DOESN'T DISSOLVE US? BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CHARGES FOR THE SEVEN WAS THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT. RIGHT? UM, I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE AS THEM TOGETHER. YEAH. TO BE SAFE. THE PACKAGE. YEAH. I THINK, I DON'T THINK WE'RE DISSOLVED INSTANTANEOUSLY. IT'S LIKE AT THE END OF THE MEETING WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE, WE QUITE FRANKLY MIGHT IN FACT DO THAT. MM-HMM. WE'VE BEEN WARNED OF THAT FAILED. YEAH. OKAY. LAST, LAST TIME. OKAY. I WITHDRAW MY PRIV PREVIOUS MOTION. OKAY. UM, CAN WE, CAN WE SPLIT THE, SPLIT THE MOTION OR IS THAT GONNA DO IT TOO? I THINK YOU HAVE TO DO IT TOGETHER. OKAY. UH, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE BOTH ITEMS OR BOTH BUDGETS AS DECIDED TONIGHT. ANY SECONDS? SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? YES. CAN YOU CLARIFY THE NUMBERS? PLEASE? CAN, CAN PLEASE CLARIFY THE NUMBERS FOR THE TWO PACKAGES WE'RE VOTING ON. YOU WANNA JUST PULL UP THE SPREADSHEET OF THE 700? CAN Y'ALL SEE THE SPREADSHEET ON THE SCREEN? YEAH, THE, THE GROSS AMOUNTS. THE GROSS AMOUNTS AMOUNT. THE GROSS AMOUNTS, THE LARGER NUMBER WAS 767 MILLION. APPROXIMATELY. THE, THE SMALLER WAS 4 36. 4 36. BEN, I WAS GONNA GIVE HIM THE EXACT NUMBER. OH, THE, THE LARGER ONE OF WAS 7 66 4 25. THE SMALLER ONE. 4 36 MILLIONS. I WAS, I RAISED MY HAND TO SAY COULD WE ADD A COMMENT THAT WHILE WE'RE PUTTING BOTH FORWARD, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THE LARGER OF THE TWO. I DON'T THINK WE COULD SAY THAT THE BODY WOULD'VE TO VOTE FOR THAT. YES. I WANNA INCLUDE THAT IN THE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD, ADD THAT, I'LL SECOND THAT. SO HOLD ON. , I THINK THE CURRENT MOTION IS TO VOTE TO ADOPT THE TWO PACKAGES THAT WAS SECONDED. AND ARE YOU OFFERING AN AMENDMENT TO THAT MOTION THAT YOU'D LIKE THE MOTION TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF BOTH WITH A STATEMENT THAT WE SUPPORT THE LARGER, IS THAT YOUR SUGGESTION THAT WE HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR THE LARGER ONE? OR THAT WE'RE SATISFY TO YOUR MOTION? DONALD CAN CLARIFY THAT. CAN WE CLARIFY THAT WE'RE SATISFYING THE COUNCIL, UM, MANDATE TO SET, WHICH IS UNDER VERSION THE SEVEN 50 AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY WE'VE ACCOMMODATED A SUB QUORUM OF RECOMMENDATIONS. I MEAN, 'CAUSE LIKE ONE IS ACTUALLY OFFICIAL AND ONE IS NOT. I MEAN, WE'RE DOING THIS, UH, AS AN OPTION. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE SATISFYING THE MANDATE UNDER OPTION ONE OF THE FULL PACKAGE RECOMMENDATION. THEN SUBSEQUENTLY A SUB QUORUM HAS MET AND DECIDED AND WE ARE OFFERED THAT AS A, AN ALTERNATIVE. I JUST ACCEPT THOSE AS, CAN I JUST ACCEPT THOSE AS AMENDMENTS TO MY BASE MOTION? OR DO WE NEED TO VOTE? THOSE MEANING BOTH BEN'S SUGGESTION AND NICOLE'S, I SEE NICOLE'S AS JUST CLARIFYING WHAT BEN WAS SAYING, BUT CAN YOU RESTATE WHAT YOU THINK THAT YOU NOW, YOUR MOTION NOW SAYS. I, I'LL RESTATE MY, I MOTION THAT WE MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT BOTH THE, UH, 765 POINT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, OR 66, UH, UH, VALUE, UH, THAT WE WERE IN KEEPING WITH OUR ORIGINAL CHARGE AND DUTIES AS THEY'VE BEEN EXECUTED OVER THE PAST, UH, COMMISSION OR TASK FORCE TERM, UH, AS WELL AS APPROVE THE SMALLER RECOMMENDATION, UH, AS GUIDED BY SUB QUORUM DIRECTION WITH A STRONG PREFERENCE FROM THE TASK FORCE THAT COUNSEL, UH, MOVE FOR THE LARGER AT THIS TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. THE DISCUSSION OF THAT , I ACTUALLY JUST [02:30:01] WANTED TO, UH, REQUEST THAT ONCE WE HAVE, ASSUMING WE ADOPT THESE, THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH AND, UH, MAKE ACCURATE THE VARIOUS PERCENTAGES AND THE, UH, GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTIONS AND OR GREENHOUSE GAS NUMBERS. SOME OF THEM ARE NOW INCORRECT AND ONE OR MORE OF THESE, LIKE CAN WE, IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT WORK HAPPENING? NOT IN THIS MOMENT, BUT THE, THE, THE DOLLARS WOULDN'T CHANGE, BUT WE'D MAKE SURE THOSE NUMBERS ARE ACCURATE BEFORE WE SUBMIT. OKAY. ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? AS A MOTION, WILL YOU ACCEPT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO YOUR MOTION? YES. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? WELL, ANA DISCUSSION. I HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DONALD'S MOTION. OKAY, SO WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE VOTING ON COUNCIL RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, AS FAR AS WHAT THE COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO DO, AND I THINK WHAT I NEED TO POINT OUT IS THE QUORUM DOES NOT EQUAL THE COUNCIL. SO FOR ME, I, I'LL I'LL BE VOTING THE WAY THE COUNCIL DIRECTED, NOT HOW THE QUORUM DIRECTED BECAUSE TECHNICALLY ANYBODY THAT IS A PART OF THIS BODY THAT WAS APPOINTED BY A PERSON THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THAT QUORUM, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S INTERESTING. SO IT'S YEAH. HESITATE YOU PICKED UP. I HEAR YOU ON THAT. I, WHAT I WOULD HESITATE IS THAT IF WE PASS THE BIGGER ONE AND THEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND THEY GO, EH, AND THEY GO WITH THEIR MADE UP BUCKETS. THIS BODY HAS NO INFLUENCE IS MY ONLY CAUTION WITH THAT. TRUE. CAN YOU SEND BOTH THOUGH, BUT HAVE SEPARATE ACTIONS? BECAUSE NOT EVERY, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY PERSON VOTED FOR THAT SUBOR PACKAGE IN POTS. I MEAN, I MEAN IT KIND OF BOXED THEM IN THE CHAIR, NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL AT LEAST. SO IT'S NOT A FULL COLLECTIVE. OKAY. RICH, BUT IT SUB SUB I GOT AT FIVE. SORRY, A SUB QUORUMS ALWAYS FIVE. IT CAN'T BE SIX. IT CAN'T BE A MAJORITY. THAT'S WHY IT'S A SUB QUORUM, RIGHT? WELL THEY COULD HAVE TAKEN IT TO A VOTE. WELL, THEY CAN ALSO COMMENT ON THAT MESSAGE BOARD FOLLOWING THAT. THAT'S TRUE. IT'S A GOOD COMMENT. SOMEBODY COULD HAVE COME IN AND MADE IT A, A FULL QUORUM. SO I, I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON MY ORIGINAL CLAIM AND MAYBE SUPPORTED BY OTHERS AS FAR AS ONCE WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DISSOLVE. SO ME, I PULLED THE RESOLUTION AND I FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE AT EASE. SO ME READ IT TO EVERYBODY, BE IT. 'CAUSE I WANT YOU ALL TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. I STILL THINK WE DO THE FIRST ONE, IF WE'RE GONNA DO 'EM SEPARATELY, WE DO THE BIGGER ONE FIRST, JUST IN CASE BE IT FOR THE RESOLVED. THE CITY MANAGER IS DIRECTED TO IDENTIFY STAFF RESOURCES TO SUPPORT THE TASK FORCE WORK AND TO PROVIDE IN INFORMATION SUFFICIENT TO THE NEEDS OF THE TASK FORCE AND TO SUPPORT THIS SUPPORT WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE TASK FORCE HAS SUBMITTED ITS FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AT WHICH TIME THE TASK FORCE SHALL DISBAND AS ITS WORK IS DEEMED COMPLETED. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. I, I FEEL, AND I'D AL ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT IT SAYS RECOMMENDATIONS. YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S OKAY. . OKAY. UM, OKAY, SO CHANDLER NOTED TO ME, DONALD, THAT A NUMBER YOU SET OUT LOUD AT SOME POINT IN YOUR MOTION WAS NOT THE ACTUAL NUMBER. SO, UM, WOULD YOU RESTATE YOUR MOTION WITH THE, THE NUMBER THAT'S UP THERE? ? UM, OKAY. , KEEP GOING. MOTION. HUNDRED THOUSAND OFF. TWO. I HAVE 4 25. MOTION TO APPROVE. FOUR. UH, BOTH BOND REC, BOTH LEVELS OF BOND RECOMMENDATIONS DETERMINED THIS EVENING, INCLUDING A, A AMOUNT FOR 766.525 MILLION AND A AND A LEVEL RESPONSIVE TO A SUBOR OF COUNSEL REQUEST FOR, UH, TO THE TUNE OF 436 MILLION WITH STRONG PREFERENCE FROM THE TASK FORCE TO ADOPT THE LARGER BOND. SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? JUST CLARIFYING THAT THE 77 THOU 700,000 NUMBER DOESN'T PUT US OVER THE BONDING CAPACITY. IT DOES PUT US OVER THE BONDING CAPACITY, SO THEY'RE GONNA KICK IT OUT ANYWAY. WELL, THEY'LL MODIFY IT. OKAY. RICH ADDED DEFERENCE TO ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAS A, A STRONG AND RIGHTLY SO ETHICAL STANCE ON THE SUB QUORUM, UM, [02:35:01] MEMBER OF JACKSON. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TO SPLIT IT UP AND HAVE IT WHERE WE GO LARGER AND DO THE VOTE WITH THE EXACT SAME STATEMENT ATTACHED TO IT? ATTACHED TO IT. AND THEN DO THE SECONDARY SUB QUORUM OR SECOND VOTE ON A SUB QUORUM. YOU WANNA SPLIT IT? YES. GO AHEAD AND SPLIT IT ONE, ONE MORE TIME. DONALD, WE'RE GONNA TAKE IT ONE VOTE AT A TIME. YOU WOULDN'T IT, IT'S THE MEMBER'S OPTION, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE, UH, MEMBER GURES POSITION. JUST A QUESTION. HOW WOULD THAT BE MATERIALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE VOTES WE DID LIKE 20 MINUTES AGO? MAYBE JUST CLARIFICATION. LET'S JUST DO IT. YOU'RE ASSUMING SO THE SUB WILL FAIL. DONALD, DO YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR MOTION? YEAH, . OKAY. OH, SOMEONE ELSE CAN DO IT IF YOU ARE RETIRED . I, I I ACTUALLY JUST HAVE TO LEAVE FAIRLY SOON. OKAY. UM, UH, MOTION TO APPROVE THE TASK FORCE RECOMMENDATION FOR $766,525,000 FOR THE BOND AT, GIVEN THE PARAMETERS DETERMINED, UH, TODAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND HOLD IT UP TO BE COUNTED. 6 8, 9, 10, 11 12, 13, 14. OKAY, HOW MANY IS THAT? THAT'S 16. CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE? I CAN'T HEAR. RACHEL, HOW ARE YOU VOTING FOR? SHE'S GOT HER HAND UP. OKAY. WE'VE GOT SIX. OKAY. SIX. ALL IN FAVOR ON THAT ONE? HOW MANY WAS THAT? THAT'S THE 17 WE HAVE. OKAY. ALL OPPOSED, UNANIMOUS THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY, DONALD, I RECOGNIZE YOU. GREAT. UH, I MOTION TO ALSO APPROVE A RECOMMENDATION FOR A SMALLER BOND FOLLOWING, UH, REQUEST FROM A SUB QUORUM OF CITY COUNCIL TO THE TUNE OF 436 MILLION WITH THE, NOTING THE STRONG PREFERENCE FROM THE TASK FORCE THAT COUNSEL USED THE GO WITH THE, UH, LARGER BOND. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. ADD THAT IT EXCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE STORM WATER AS ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS AS TO WHY WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT. FULL. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, MOTION. RAISE YOUR HAND. 10 13TH. OKAY. ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. LOOKS LIKE GARY. CHARLES, ANA. IS THERE ANYONE ABSTAINING? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THAT MOTION PASSES. OH, SORRY. ABSTENTION. CAN I, YOUR ABSTAINING? YEP. THAT MOTION PASSES. OKAY. ITEM THREE. [3. Approve the Policy recommendations to be included in the Bond Election Advisory Task Force final recommendation.] WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR SPEAKING PUBLIC COMMENT ON ITEM THREE. OKAY. ITEM THREE, PUBLIC COMMENT. UH, MS. JOSEPH, DO WE HAVE A POLICY RECOMMENDATION ITEM WE'RE TAKEN UP AS WELL? I RECEIVED A COUPLE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS, SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE. OKAY. IF WE WANNA PUT THEM FORTH. THANK YOU, DONALD. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS ITEM? YES. MS. JOSEPH? UH, NO. I THINK YOU ARE ALLOWED TO GO. YOU HAVE TO GO FIRST. UH, WE WERE ON ITEM TWO. I'LL DEFER THAT. SORRY. SHE WANTS TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS CAN HAVE THE DI THE DISCUSSION AND THEN SHE CAN MAKE HER COMMENT. I THINK THE PUBLIC COMMENT COMES FIRST. WE'D LIKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST, JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT ARE THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS I'LL DEFER TO THE CHAIR. UM, SO THIS ITEM THREE, APPROVE THE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE. FINAL RECOMMENDATION. WE WILL HAVE THEM PROPOSED AND DISCUSSED. [02:40:01] SO ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED? JUST IF THERE ARE SOME POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS OR CAN WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TO KNOW? , YOU KNOW, TO KNOW HOW TO GIVE A PUBLIC COMMENT ON THEM BEFORE YOU DISCUSS THEM. CAN WE FIND WHAT THEY ARE? SO I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE ONES THAT I HAVE RECEIVED SO FAR. ONE IS TO BE SURE THAT WE, I CAN READ 'EM TO YOU. YOU WANT ME TO READ 'EM TO YOU WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR HER PROPOSAL? SURE. AND THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, APPRECIATE THAT. THERE MAY BE SOME YEAH. LITTLE BIT O OKAY. CONVEY, BUT WE APPRECIATE THE TRANSPARENCY AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. SURE. AND THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT FOLKS JUST BRING UP DURING THE MEETING, BUT, UM, THIS IS FROM CHARLES CURRY. SO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, HE SAYS, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK WE SHOULD RECOMMEND A COUNCIL THAT THE SUBMISSION TO VOTERS SHOULD INCLUDE WHAT THE CITY HAS CALLED CONTRACT WITH THE VOTERS. THAT SPELLS OUT IN SOME DETAIL THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN EACH PROPOSITION AND THE TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THE PROJECTS WOULD BE COMPLETED. HE SAYS IT'S ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT NOW THAT MORE DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TOWARD A LUMP SUM AMOUNT FOR A BROAD CATEGORY OF PROJECTS. UH, TINA CANNON HAD A POLICY RECOMMENDATION. DO YOU WANT ME TO READ YOURS OR DO YOU WANNA SAY IT? UH, NO, GO AHEAD. SEE WHAT I SAID. OKAY. , I I I, I'M AFRAID NOW THAT I MAY HAVE LEFT IT ON THE PRINTER OF MY OFFICE IF I'M NOT, CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? SURE. IS THIS FOR LIKE, TO GO ALONG WITH OUR BOND RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. OR JUST GENERALLY RE OKAY. YES, I HAVE TO LEAVE, BUT I HAVE MANY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEXT BOND ADVISORY TASK FORCE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT SOMEWHERE. SHE CAN SEND THEM TO MY, I'M SORRY. YOU CAN SEND 'EM TO NICOLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN WOULD THOSE BE, UM, CONSIDERED VOTED ON THIS EVENING TOO? THOSE ARE NOT GONNA BE CONSIDERED AND THEY WON'T BE IN THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MAKE IF THEY DON'T, THAT THEY'RE NOT TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SHARING THE TWO. YOU UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE MORE THERE. THEY COME UP TONIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. TINA, DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? YEAH, MINE WAS MORE ABOUT COLLABORATIVE BODIES ON THE CREATION OF THE NEXT BOND ELECTION ADVISORY TASK FORCE TO INCLUDE OTHER TAXING ENTITIES SO THAT WE CAN COLLABORATE ON PROPERTIES, ON BUILDINGS, ON ASSETS, UH, IN A, IN A MUCH MORE STREAMLINED WAY. I LOST MY NOTES. OKAY. ARE WE READY FOR THE PRESENTATION? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS ANOVIA JOSEPH, UH, MADAM CHAIR. RESPECTFULLY, I, UH, DO QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT YOU, UH, POSTED THIS MEETING PROPERLY SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP MATERIALS TO EVEN REFER TO. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE AFFORDABILITY PROVISION 5 5 1 0.141. AS IT RELATES TO MY SLIDES, I JUST WANT YOU TO REMEMBER, UH, SPECIFICALLY, UH, TO INCLUDE PROJECTS LIKE THE SENIOR CENTER FOR GUS GARCIA. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER MS. NAOMI AND MS. BLUE ACTUALLY SPOKE TO YOU BACK IN 2025. I'M GONNA ASK THAT KABA WHITE RECUSE HERSELF FROM THIS DISCUSSION WHEN YOU GET TO IT. UH, SPECIFICALLY THE HISTORIC INEQUITIES HAVE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BY THE CITY AND THE AUSTIN STRATEGIC MOBILITY PLAN WALK BIKE ROAD 2023 ON PAGE 37. AND SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE DISCRIMINATION OCCURS AND THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING OUR SENIORS FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. NEXT SLIDE. UM, STAY THERE FOR A MINUTE. THE $80 MILLION SEEMS DISTURBING TO ME. I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE RESEARCH SPECIFICALLY TO RECOGNIZE TITLE VI. ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING THESE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO ACTUALLY CO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE MINORITY POPULATION OR THE UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES AND SEE IF IT COMES ANYWHERE NEAR TO $80 MILLION. KIBA HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE $10 MILLION FOR OUR SENIOR CITIZENS, BUT NO PROBLEM WITH $80 MILLION FOR WHITE PEOPLE DRIVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES. NEXT SLIDE. I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE WHAT GUS GARCIA LOOKS LIKE. AND I WANNA INVITE THE COMMISSION AND KAVA WHITE IN PARTICULAR TO GO TO THE SHOWER. IT IS INADEQUATE. THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE. IT IS DIRTY. YOU PUSH THE BUTTON, YOU ARE SUDS UP AND IT'S 30 SECONDS THAT THE HOT WATER IS ON SUBSTANDARD. YOU HEARD FROM THE PARKS RECREATION EARLIER. THIS IS WHAT GUS GARCIA LOOKS LIKE. IT IS A COMMUNITY HUB USED EVERY SATURDAY MORNING FOR THE FOOD PANTRY. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS WHAT DISCRIMINATION LOOKS LIKE. YOU CAN SEE ONCE AGAIN NORTH LAMAR UP ON THE LEFT. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, THAT'S SOUTHEAST AUSTIN, THAT'S STANE AND SOUTH FIRST. IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT, THIS IS WATERLOO PARK. IT'S A BRAND NEW SHELTER. YOU WILL NOT SEE ANY OF THESE SHELTERS NORTHEAST OF US, 180 3. SO I JUST NEEDED TO GIVE YOU A FEW VISUALS SO THAT YOU COULD SEE SPECIFICALLY WHY YOU NEED TO FUND SPECIFIC PROJECTS [02:45:01] AND TO PUT THE CONTRACT WITH VOTERS IN ANY RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU ACTUALLY PUT FORTH BEFORE COUNCIL. I ALSO WANNA JUST DOVETAIL OFF MYSELF AND SAY, ONCE AGAIN, THE PUBLIC DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY COULD SPEAK BEFORE YOU TOOK ACTION ON THIS ITEM. AND SO I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING, REPOST THE ITEM, HAVE A SPECIAL CALLED SESSION, AND ACTUALLY ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GLADLY ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME. KAI, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M JUST WONDERING IF YOU'RE AWARE THAT THE MONEY FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVATE CITIZENS DRIVING ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND IT IS SOLELY FOR CITY OF AUSTIN FLEET. ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE CITY HAS ONE POT OF MONEY. AND EVEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT IS DISCRIMINATORY. I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND TO TRAVEL IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. YES, THE CITY DOES HAVE FACILITIES ON CAMERON ROAD AND THEY HAVE FACILITIES NORTHEAST OF US, 180 3. YOU'LL SEE SPECIFICALLY THEY HAVE JUST PUT A SLIVER OF TERRACOTTA SPECIFICALLY BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THEIR BUILDING RIGHT THERE AT CROSS PARK AND CAMERON ROAD. SO I AM AWARE THAT THEY HAVE FACILITIES IN THAT PART OF THE CITY, BUT I WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE DISCRIMINATION OCCURS AND I WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME TO THAT SIDE OF THE TOWN AND I WILL GLADLY ESCORT YOU TO SEE THE THINGS THAT I SEE IN REAL TIME. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU. OH, BEN, DID YOU HAVE A COM QUESTION FOR DEDO? I JUST WANTED TO THANK, UH, CHAIR CHAIRPERSON WHITE FOR POINTING OUT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIFICATION OF LARGE FLEET VEHICLES. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE GARBAGE TRUCK THAT PICKS UP, UH, MY GARBAGE ON THE EAST SIDE AND THE GUYS WHO ARE MY FELLOW UNION MEMBERS, UH, DRIVING THOSE TRUCKS RIDING ON THE BACK OF 'EM. THEY LOOK LIKE US . THEY NEED THOSE AC THEY NEED THOSE NEW TRUCKS WORKING AND THE CITY'S NOT GONNA BUY THOSE NEW TRUCKS UNTIL THEY HAVE THE CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE TO CHARGE 'EM UP. SO I APPRECIATE YOU ADDING THE CLARIFICATION. UM, I ALSO APPRECIATE COMMENTS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT THINGS THAT YOU OBSERVE THE CITY. YOU KNOW, I ALSO THANK YOU FOR AND, AND I HAVING A PICTURE FOR THE, OF A BUS STOP THAT I USE QUITE FREQUENTLY. THANK YOU. YEAH, NO, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. I JUST WOULD SAY THAT WE ALSO WOULD LIKE ELECTRIC BUSES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. AND WHEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND CAPITAL METRO HAVE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, AND THEN THESE INEQUITIES CONTINUE AND THEY HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED MARCH 4TH, 2021, THEY APOLOGIZE TO BLACKS. I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE THEY HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THE DISCRIMINATORY IMPACTS THAT THEY'VE DONE TO BLACKS AND PEOPLE IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN. BUT YET, AND STILL EVEN WITH THE FUNDING, THEY'VE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO CORRECT IT. AND SO IT IT'S JUST DIFFICULT. AND I DON'T MEAN TO BE LONG-WINDED. I KNOW YOUR MEETING'S BEEN GONE LONG, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO RECOGNIZE YOU'RE ASKING ALL OF THE TAXPAYERS TO FUND WHATEVER IT IS YOU PUT FORWARD, BUT YET THESE INEQUITIES ARE DECADES IN THE MAKING AND THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGED IT AND YOU NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT AS WELL. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TAKE ACTION. OKAY, I KNOW WE ARE RUNNING, UH, LONG AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S PATIENCE, BUT AT THIS TIME, YOU KNOW, WE, PART OF OUR, UM, PLAN WAS TO SUBMIT NOT ONLY THE APPROVED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PACKAGES, BUT ANY POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS WE WANTED TO ADD, UH, WITH THOSE. AND SO I WILL TAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS ONE AT A TIME AND WE'LL VOTE ON THEM IF WE WANNA MAKE THEM AS PART OF OUR SUBMISSION. SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO DISCUSS A POLICY RECOMMENDATION? TINA, I SEE YOUR HAND, UH, MOVE THAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT THEY ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION, UH, FROM REPRESENTATIVES OF OTHER JURISDICTIONAL TAXING ENTITIES, UH, OPERATING WITHIN OR OVERLAPPING IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UH, TO BE A PART OF THE STRUCTURE OF A FUTURE BOND ADVISORY TASK FORCE. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? NICOLE? DISCUSSION OR JUST SECONDING? YES. I I WANNA SECOND IT, BUT COULD I, COULD YOU AMEND IT TO SAY THAT THEY PROACTIVELY PURSUE PARTNERSHIPS WITH TAX AND JURISDICTIONS TO CO-LOCATE SHARE OR JOINTLY DELIVER FACILITIES AND SERVICES TO OPTIMIZE TAXPAYER RESOURCES? SO, SO ACCEPTED . THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. PEGGY, RAISE YOUR HAND UP. OKAY. MS. MAKING ANY OPPOSED? [02:50:01] NICOLE, YOU'RE OPPOSED? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. RAISE YOUR HAND UP. OKAY. THANKS THAT THAT PASSES. OKAY. ANY OTHER POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE TASK FORCE RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL THAT THEY INCLUDE CONTRACT WITH THE VOTERS, UH, IN THE WHATEVER BOND ELECTION THEY CALL A SECOND FOR THAT. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE DEFINE WHAT THAT IS? THE CONTRACT FOR THE VOTERS? CHARLES, DO YOU WANNA DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? THE CONTRACT WITH THE VOTERS IS A PRACTICE THE CITY HAS USED IN THE PAST WHERE THEY EXPLAIN SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSITION, SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT THE PROJECTS. AND ALSO, UM, IN SOME CASES THEY INDICATE THE LENGTH OF TIME IN WHICH THE PROJECTS WOULD BE COMPLETED. THE PURPOSE OF IT IS SO THAT VOTERS HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, PARTICULARLY IF IT'S A BROAD CATEGORY, WHAT PROJECTS WOULD BE INCLUDED. AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE THE SENIOR CENTER GUESS GARCIA. SO IF THERE'S A, IF IT'S A PROGRAMMATIC BUCKET OF DOLLARS, THE CONTRACT WITH VOTERS TELLS US, TELLS THE PUBLIC WHAT PROJECTS COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT YES PROGRAM. IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A, UH, LONG LIST. IT'S, UH, BUT IT COVERS, YOU KNOW, THE, SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED. IT JUST GIVES MORE TRANSPARENCY TO THE BOND ELECTION. ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT BEN? YES. MY DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT THE PRO PROGRAMMATIC DOLLARS. YEAH. UH, I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONTRACT WITH THE VOTERS THAT OUTLINES THE, THE NAMED PROJECTS. BUT ALSO WHEN YOU HAVE PROGRAMMATIC DOLLARS, GIVE AN EXAMPLE OR TWO OF WHAT TYPES OF THINGS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN VISUALIZE WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE VOTING ON. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS FOR PROGRAMMATIC DOLLARS ALSO INCLUDE, UH, EXAMPLES OF TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE FUNDED BY THOSE PROGRAMMATIC DOLLARS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING CHARLES? I THINK THAT'S IT. IT'S THE SAME THING. OKAY. IN MY OPINION, IT'S THE SAME THING. YEAH. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION? RAISE YOUR HAND. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO HAVE THE CONTRACT WITH THE BUDGET. IT'S TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL HAVE A CONTRACT WITH VOTERS. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION PASSED? NICOLE, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP WITH A POLICY. YES. UH, THIS IS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY. UM, THE COUNCIL SHOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER AFFORDABILITY OF BOND FUNDED CAPITAL EXPANSION. IT SHOULD NOT RESULT IN A REDUCTION IN THE CORE SERVICE LEVELS TO AFFORD THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS OF ANY PROJECTS. AND IT SHOULD HAVE A DETAILED OPERATING COST ANALYSIS AND REVENUE TO SUPPORT SUCH FACILITIES, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH BOND PROGRAMS. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT? RICH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME BUT YOU'RE NOT RAISING THE HAND. DO YOU WANNA DISCUSS THAT? I KNOW, I'M TRYING TO, ONE, IT'S ALWAYS NERVE WRACKING TO ARGUE AGAINST A MEMBER CONLEY MM-HMM. . BUT THE, I I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THE END RESULT IS. SO IS THIS TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE PROJECTS AGAIN AND FOR THEM TO PULL OUT THE M AND O AND TO MODIFY WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION IS? OR LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE END GOAL? YES. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO ANYWAY, RIGHT? YEAH. I PRESUME THAT THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THIS AND GO WITH WHAT WE RECOMMEND THEY'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY NEED TO HAVE A HIGHLY DETAILED DISCUSSION ON THE COST IMPACT. BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS TO SEE MY SERVICES CUT TO AFFORD SOMETHING THAT IS BEING AFFORDED OUT OF THIS BOND PROGRAM. SO I'M ASKING THEM TO DO SOME DUE DILIGENCE AND IDENTIFYING SORT OF THE FUNDING SOURCES FOR THESE O AND M COST IMPACTS FOR THESE FACILITIES AND REALLY HAVE A DETAILED DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE OPTIONS ARE BEFORE THEY'RE PLACED BEFORE VOTERS. I THINK VOTERS IN, YOU KNOW, AFFORDABILITY IS SOMETHING THAT TAXPAYERS ARE INTERESTED IN. YEAH. I, I THINK, BUT I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS CUT AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THESE BOND PROJECTS. SO I GUESS NOW I'M HEARING YOU'RE SAYING PUTTING IT TOGETHER PRIOR TO IT GOING TO THE BOND. AND FOR ME IT WOULD BE PRIOR TO THE CAPITAL SPEND BECAUSE WE MAY BE IN A DIFFERENT POSITION FOUR YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GONNA SELL THAT DEBT TO HAVE THAT PROJECT DONE. SO IS IT SOMETHING WHERE PRIOR TO THE, THE CAPITAL SPEND THAT WE CAN DO THE ANALYSIS? THEY [02:55:01] CAN DO IT NOW? I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'VE DONE THUS FAR HAS NOT BEEN AS DETAILED AS I WOULD LIKE. AND IT'S BEEN SORT OF HAPHAZARD. I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN NUMBERS CHANGE THREE TIMES WITHIN, YOU KNOW, MATTERS OF WEEKS. SO I HOPE THAT WHEN THEY TAKE UP THIS DISCUSSION, IT'S A CAREFUL DISCUSSION ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM PUT THAT IN FRONT OF MIND AS OPPOSED TO US SORT OF BUILDING OUT A PROJECT THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD AND THEN WE'RE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL TO SATISFY, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 65 NEW POSITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH SOME OF THESE JUST OFF THE CUFF. SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AFFORDABILITY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PLAN IS TO ENSURE FOR, YOU KNOW, ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND AFFORDABILITY. ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO CUT PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AFFORDABLE? IS THERE A REVENUE SOURCE? ARE THEY AUTOMATICALLY DISCUSSING THIS WITH A TAX RATE INCREASE? BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. YEAH. MY, MY CONCERN REALLY IS THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GONNA SEE A BIG NUMBER AND NOT THE INCREMENTAL NUMBER. AND THAT'S GOING TO NOT REALLY, REALLY BE REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THIS BOND IS. BUT I CAN APPRECIATE THE MOTION. AND WE HAD A SECOND, WE HAD DISCUSSION. YOU ARE YOU ADDING SOMETHING OR DISCUSSION? DISCUSSION. I WOULD SUPPORT THIS. UH, WELL, LEMME PHRASE IT THIS WAY AS IT STANDS, I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS. BUT IF IT WERE TO INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT TALKS AND WALKS THROUGH THE SAVINGS THAT ARE REALIZED, THERE'S, THERE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING CAPITAL SPEND ON THAT ARE GOING TO SAVE US MONEY ON THE M AND O SIDE. AND I THINK THAT HAS TO BE PAIRED. YOU CAN'T JUST PRESENT THE M AND O NEGATIVE IMPACTS WITHOUT THE POSITIVE SAVINGS. AND IF THOSE ARE JOINED TOGETHER, THEN, THEN I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF WHAT YES. EXERCISE DETAIL, COST ANALYSIS. YES. ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT INCLUDES OFFSETS, RIGHT? WE TALKED ABOUT WITH EVEN HOMELESS SERVICES, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OPTIMIZATION THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAILS OF ALL THE BOTTOM LINE IMPACTS. SO I THINK IN GOOD CONSCIOUS THEY SHOULD CONSIDER THE BOTTOM LINE IMPACTS BOTH TO THE GOOD AND, AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, POSITIVE ATTRIBUTES AND WAYS TO DEFRAY COSTS ALL OF THAT. BUT WE DIDN'T GET INTO THOSE DETAILED COST ANALYSIS. AT LEAST I DON'T THINK WE DID. SO JUST JUST SO I CAN BE CLEAR, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA LITERALLY, UM, APPROVE THESE AND STAFF AND I ARE GONNA LI LISTEN TO THE RECORDING OF THIS AND TYPE UP THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I WANNA BE SURE THAT I AM CAPTURING WHAT WE'RE SAYING. AND I, WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING IS YOU WANT TO STRONGLY, YOU WANT THE COUNCIL TO STRONGLY CONSIDER A COST ANALYSIS AFFORDABILITY WITH A COST ANALYSIS FOR EVERY PROJECT. IS THAT THAT'S RIGHT. DETAILED COST ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE BOTTOM LINE IMPACT SO THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT AT A POINT WHERE SERVICE LEVEL SERVICE LEVELS ARE COMPROMISED ACROSS THE CITY. RIGHT. JUST TO PAY FOR THIS PROJECT. WE'VE GOTTA ROB PETER. OKAY. SO THEY DO NEED TO GO THROUGH A DETAILED COST ANALYSIS AND I DON'T THINK WE SUFFICIENTLY DID IT THROUGH THE WORKING GROUPS. UH, THAT'S MY OPINION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY REC. CHARLES, DID YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION? YEAH, I, THE CITY RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY UNDERGOING COST OF SERVICE STUDY FOR WHAT THEY, THE CITY CANNOT AFFORD TO CONTINUE THEIR CURRENT, UM, SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL WITH THEIR CURRENT REVENUE MODEL. IT DOESN'T BALANCE. SO THERE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME REDUCTIONS OR CHANGES IN SERVICE WHETHER THIS, WHETHER THEY HAVE THE BOND ELECTION OR NOT. I, I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR HOW YOU'RE, HOW THIS RECOMMENDATION DEALS WITH THE WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE CURRENT FINANCIAL CONDITION OF THE CITY. I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS. I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THEY, THEY SHOULD, I THINK THEY SHOULD ASK FOR SOME DETAILED COST ANALYSIS ASSOCIATED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE CONCURRENTLY WHILE THEY'RE MAPPED WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO SORT OF BALANCE OUT THE ENTIRE CITY'S BUDGET. EITHER WAY I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE A DETAILED COST UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPACT OF, OF THE PROJECTS ON THE TOTAL CITY'S BUDGET WHEREVER THEY'RE AT IN THEIR BUDGETING PROCESS. AND I AGREE WITH THE DETAILED COST ANALYSIS. THE, THE WHERE, WHERE I TAKE EXCEPTION WITH WHAT YOU SAID WAS THAT NO OTHER SERVICE WILL BE IMPACTED. SERVICES ARE GOING BE IMPACTED WHETHER WE HAVE A BOND IT BE THAT WAY. OKAY. YEAH. GOOD. THANK YOU. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU DON'T WANNA POSITION WHERE YOU [03:00:01] ARE ROBBING PETER AND YOU DIDN'T TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT FRONT. AND SO YES, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REDUCE SERVICES TO, TO MAKE SPACE FOR THESE PROJECTS, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE DETAILED COST ANALYSIS THAT THEY CAN MAKE THOSE TRADE OFFS AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY'RE HAVING THEIR BUDGETARY DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. THAT'S A THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. SIX, EIGHT. HOW MANY WAS THAT? THAT WAS EIGHT BECAUSE WE, HOW MANY OF US ARE ON THE DAIS RIGHT NOW? I 13. FOUR ONLINE AND 13. YEAH. FIVE ONLINE. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? I THINK THAT PASSES ANY OTHER POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? BEN . SORRY, KEN. SORRY. IT LITTLE GETS A LITTLE CONFUSING. I HAD MY HAND AS WELL. OKAY, GO PLEASE. NO, JUST, JUST IN LIGHT OF, OF ANNA'S, UM, UH, COMMENTS TONIGHT AND THE FACT THAT THAT STORMWATER DIDN'T MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF THE SKINNY, UH, QUORUM, UM, OR UH, UH, WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING IT. THE, THE, THE, THE SMALLER RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO ENCOURAGE THE CITY, UH, TO LOOK VERY STRONGLY AL AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR, UH, STORMWATER, UH, AND WASTEWATER ABATEMENT, INCLUDING, UH, UM, CHANGES TO THE DRAINAGE UTILITY FEE, UH, AND THE ASSESSMENT OF THAT FEE. SECOND, ANY DISCUSSION, I'LL JUST SAY THAT NO MATTER WHAT, THE DUFF WILL NEVER BE ADEQUATE. YOU WILL NEED BOND MONEY FOR A LOT OF THESE PROJECTS. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. CAPEX, THAT PROJECT WATER QUALITY AND THE TUNNEL THAT'S GONNA BE GOING, I ASSURE YOU THAT PEOPLE, MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE CONCERNED IF THAT TUNNEL ENDED UP ON THE WEST SIDE BECAUSE ALL OF THAT WATER QUALITY PIECE PIECE THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH IS GONNA BE ON THE EAST SIDE. HOW UNFAIR IS THAT? AND ACTUALLY IT'S SAYING, IT'S ACTUALLY A SUBTLE DIFFERENT MESSAGE THAT AGAIN, EAST AUSTINSON CONTINUES TO EXPERIENCE AND ALL. SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I CANNOT SUPPORT AGAIN, ETHICALLY, MORALLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ONLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF WHERE YOU'RE AT DETERMINES HOW YOU'RE TREATED. AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND I'M NOT WILLING TO SETTLE ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS. I THINK THE POLICY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE FUNDING FOR STORMWATER, UH, PROJECTS. CAN WE JUST CALL OUT THE DEAF THAT THAT'S FINE. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOST EXHAUSTIVE KIND OF COMPREHENSIVE LANGUAGES. YEAH, I MEAN WHAT WOULD YOU SAY INSTEAD? I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, WE MAKE A REC WE WE MOVE TO, FOR THEM TO DO, UM, MODIFY THE, THE AUSTIN'S RANGE UTILITY FEE WHERE IT REFLECTS CLOSER TO THE TRUE COST OF SERVICE. I, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION. RAISE YOUR HAND. SORRY. FOUR, SEVEN. WE NEED MY BOND MONEY. YOU DO NEED BOND MONEY. BUT THIS IS BOTH END A LOT. BOTH END, YEAH. YES. AND SO I HOPE THIS DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE'RE SETTLING AND WE WON'T GO FOR BOND MONEY IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? DEBT IS NOT ENOUGH. 12 THE DEFICIT, A 30 YEAR PLUS DEFICIT. WE NEED BOND MONEY. THAT POLICY PASSED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? BEN? I RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY WHEN COMMUNICATING TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO VOTERS REDOUBLE THEIR EFFORTS TO DISCUSS TWO, THE COST IN TWO WAYS. ONE, THE, THE DOLLAR COST TO THE MEDIAN VOTER. SO NOT AN AVERAGE, NOT AVERAGING ME AND MIKE DELL, BUT YOUR YOUR YOUR MEDIAN VOTER. THE THE TYPICAL MONTHLY COST. DON'T GIMME THE BIG NUMBER. GIMME HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA BE MONTHLY. 'CAUSE I PAY A MONTHLY MORTGAGE AND THAT'S WHERE MY TAXES ARE DRAWN OUT OF AND HOW MUCH THAT'S GONNA BE. RIGHT. UH, GIVE IT TO ME IN A, IN A DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT I CAN, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW MANY TRIPS TO P TERRY'S IS IT GONNA BE FOR ME TO, TO DO THIS? AND WHAT DO I GET IN EXCHANGE FOR IT, RIGHT? YEP. UH, AND THEN THE OTHER COST IS TO TELL THE VOTERS, COMMUNICATE TO THEM THE COST [03:05:01] OF INACTION. WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T DO THESE FLOODING MITIGATION PRO INFRASTRUCTURE? WHAT IS, WHAT IS THE RI IMMEDIATE RISK? WHAT IS THE CARRY ON SOME OF THE CARRY ON EFFECTS? LIKE EVERYONE'S PAYING HIGHER FLOOD INSURANCE, RIGHT? UH, ON THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THE, THE, THE, THE COMMUNICATE THE COST OF INACTION AND HOW, HOW MANY YEARS HAVE BEEN DELAYED ON X NUMBER OF THINGS. AND I THINK THAT TYPE OF COMMUNICATION TO VOTERS WILL ACTUALLY HELP THEM BE BETTER INFORMED WHEN DECIDING HOW THEY ARE GONNA VOTE FOR OR AGAINST ANY SECOND. SECOND THAT POLICY. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? CAN WE ADD, UM, ACTIONS THAT COUNCIL OR EVEN COMMISSIONS MAKE THAT CAN ACTUALLY CAUSE HARM? SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I GOT MY FLOOD INSURANCE NOTIFICATION, NO NOTICE AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT INCREASED COST. DID THESE EVENTS HAPPEN? IT HAD A LIST OF THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENED THAT COULD RESULT IN A HIGHER BLOOD INSURANCE COST. ONE OF THEM WAS NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSALS TO DEVELOP TO THE DEGREE THAT THERE'S NOT EVEN A SETBACK, I MEAN THAT YOU COVER THAT ENTIRE GROUND A HUNDRED PERCENT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A, A COSTLY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. SO SOMETIMES THESE DECISIONS WILL CAUSE HARM. SO THE THING ABOUT THAT IS STOP HARMING, STOP, YOU KNOW, DO NO HARM. SO THAT WOULD BE MY COMMENT TO THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S YEAH, THEY NEED A, OH, EITHER THAT OR DEVELOPMENT STARTS PAYING FOR ITSELF. 'CAUSE UH, RIGHT NOW THE TAXPAYERS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GETTING, ARE GETTING STUCK WITH THAT BILL THAT IS BEING CREATED BY CERTAIN ACTIONS. I THINK THAT WAS ADDRESSED BY THE EARLIER POLICY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE DUFF. UM, THAT'S TIED TO IMPERVIOUS COVER. NO, NO. THE DUFF, AS LONG AS YOU CONTINUE TO BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD AND NOT FIX THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE DOVE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO KEEP UP. IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE. SO THE DO WILL NOT FORGET THE D AT THAT POINT WHEN YOUR INTENTIONAL, WHEN NOW WHEN YOU KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED ACTUALLY LIKE AN ENVIRONMENTAL OFFICE OR DEPARTMENT OR SOMETHING THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL ENVIRONMENTAL COST IS TO ALL THIS. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WATER, IT'S ABOUT HEAT ISLANDS. YOU KNOW, WHEN ALL YOU'VE GOT IS CONCRETE, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TREES ANYMORE. SO LET ME JUST ASK THE, THE, THE TWO COMPONENTS HE HAD WAS THE MONTHLY COST AND THE COST OF AN ACTION. AND ARE YOU SUGGESTING YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXPANDING ON WHAT COST OF AN ACTION COULD INCLUDE LIKE OR COST? WHAT? TELL ME HOW YOU WOULD MODIFY THAT. IT'S MORE LIKE ALSO LOOK AT THE, THE COST OF CERTAIN ACTIONS, THE HARMS OF CERTAIN ACTIONS YOU ALL. SO YEAH, THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT I DO KNOW THAT IF YOU BUILD BUT YOU DON'T MITIGATE FULLY, THEN YOU'RE CAUSING A PROBLEM. IF YOU BUILD UPSTREAM, GUESS WHAT? THE PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM ARE THE ONES THAT SUFFER. AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE IN EAST AUSTIN, WE'RE THE ONES, AND THIS IS AUSTIN IS UNIQUE. YOU REALLY CANNOT COMPARE AUSTIN TO OTHER CITIES BECAUSE WE'RE IN FLAT FLASH FLOOD ALLEY. IF OTHER CITIES HAD THE SAME TOPOGRAPHY AS WE DO, THEN WE COULD HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE COULD COMPARE AND STUDY. BUT WE DON'T, WE'RE UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S, YEAH, IT'S MORE LIKE SOME ACTION IS CAUSING HARM AND, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE NEED TO LISTEN AND LOOK AT ACTUALLY LISTEN TO ACTUAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS AND, AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. SO AGAIN, SAYING THE DUFF WILL FIX IT. NO, IT WON'T. AS LONG AS HE CONTINUE TO DO HARM, IT'S NOT, IT'S GONNA MAKE IT WORSE. I'M TRYING TO, UM, HEAR YOU AND WONDER IF YOUR POLICY RECOMMENDATION MIGHT BE A SEPARATE POLICY RECOMMENDATION THAN, THAN HIS, WHICH WAS TO COMMUNICATE COST ON A MONTHLY BASIS AND COST OF INACTION. AND WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS WE NEED TO DO ENVIRONMENTAL WELL THERE'S A COST TO CERTAIN ACTIONS, JUST LIKE THERE'S A COST TO INACTION, THERE'S A COST TO CERTAIN ACTIONS. BUT BOND PROJECT ACTIONS OR JUST ACTIONS GENERALLY. AND HOW DOES THAT, HOW WOULD JUST ACTIONS GENERALLY. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING, THEN THIS IS GONNA, IT'S GONNA GET WORSE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, RECOGNIZE THAT IF YOU DO CERTAIN THINGS, YOU'RE DEFINITELY GONNA MAKE IT WORSE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE, IF THE, IF THE POLICY IS TO HAVE COUNSEL IN THEIR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE BOND PROJECT, [03:10:03] THE REQUEST IS WHAT'S IT GONNA COST IN DOLLARS PER MONTH FROM ME? AND IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, DETERMINE IT. WHAT'S THE COST OF NOT DOING ANYTHING? WHAT'S THE COST OF NOT FIXING THE LONGHORN DAN, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I'M TRYING TO, HOW THEY WOULD ARTICULATE THAT FINAL PIECE THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT'S COMMUNICATED TO THE BOND VOTERS WHEN THEY GO TO LOOK AT THIS PACKAGE. IT'S SUCH A NUANCED QUESTION. IT'S KIND OF, IT'S TO BE ABLE TO CALCULATE ALL THE POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY COSTS. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S GO ALONG WITH THE PROJECT. IF, IF, IF IT IS, IS IT YOUR DESIRE THAT THIS IS PART OF THE COMMUNICATION OUT TO THE BOND POTENTIAL VOTERS? OR IS IT A PROCESS QUESTION? I GUESS IT'S MORE LIKE EDUCATING EVERYBODY, INCLUDING OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE THAT GET APPOINTED. UM, YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN SECTOR OR CERTAIN GROUPS REPRESENTED AND THERE'S NO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ISSUES THAT VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES, THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, DISCRIMINATED AGAINST HISTORICALLY, IF THEY'RE NOT AT THE TABLE, OBVIOUSLY WE BECOME PART OF THE MENU. SAME AS PEOPLE THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE DONE TO THEM. IF SOMEBODY THAT WAS A TRUE ENVIRONMENTALIST WAS THERE SPEAKING AND LISTENED TO, THEN SOME OF THIS DAMAGE WOULDN'T HAPPEN. YOU KNOW? SO IT SEEMS LIKE SOMETIMES IT'S ONLY CERTAIN GROUPS ARE REPRESENTED AND MAYBE THIS IS MORE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S, I HEAR, I THINK I'M HEARING YOU JUST A GENERAL YEAH. ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION COMPONENT IN RESPONDING. YEAH. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK CERTAIN GROUPS ARE IN, YOU KNOW, LEFT OUT. LET, LET'S, UM, CAN WE JUST PAUSE ON THAT? I THINK IT COULD BE A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION, A POLICY RECOMMENDATION AND VOTE ON THE ONE ON THE TABLE, WHICH IS BEN'S ON THESE TWO COMPONENTS OF THE COST. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION. RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL OPPOSED TO THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION. RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT APPEARS TO HAVE PASSED. OKAY. DO YOU WANNA UM, TRY ANOTHER, UH, ONE MORE TIME TO TO NO, I'M SORRY. THIS IS NO, NO, NO, IT'S FINE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW. YEAH, YEAH. UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF HOW TO SAY THIS AS DIPLOMATIC AS I POSSIBLY CAN. 'CAUSE I ALREADY HAVE NOT SAID IT DIPLOMATICALLY . SO, UM, YOU NEED TO SERVE IS TO SERVE THE PUBLIC. AND WHEN YOU SERVE THE PUBLIC, TRULY YOU'RE REPRESENTING AND SERVING EVERYBODY. YOU'RE NOT JUST SELECTING AND LISTENING TO CERTAIN VOICES. SO WHEN THEY SAY COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THEY REALLY NEED TO MEAN AND TRULY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, SO FOR EXAMPLE, HYPOTHETICALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, FOR THE NEW HOMELESS SHELTER'S GONNA BE AT, BUT IF YOU JUST PLOP IT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND ACTUALLY DON'T GET THE INPUT OF THE RESIDENTS THERE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA SET THAT HOMELESS SHELTER FOR FAILURE AS WELL AS THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS FOR FAILURE. SO THAT'S PART OF LIKE, YEAH, THEY, AND THEY NEED TO BE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY, NOT BE SELECTIVE AS TO WHO THEY'RE LISTENING. AND TECHNICALLY, LIKE THE POLITICAL STUFF NEEDS TO STAY OUT. IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT DOING THE RIGHT THING, YOU KNOW. RICH, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY REQUIRE HOLISTIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. ANA, WOULD THAT COVER IT OR NOT JUST CAPITAL PROJECTS. IT'S JUST LIKE ANY PLANNING, YOU KNOW, UM, I DON'T, WELL I DON'T WANNA JUST SAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GEAR IT TOWARDS THE RELATION TO THE BOND. YEAH. OR OKAY, THEN THAT WOULD WORK. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT FOR US? RICH REQUIRE HOLISTIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. YEAH. FOR OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS. I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN'T FAIRLY ARGUE THAT SOMETIMES THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DOESN'T GO HOW WE WANT IT, HOW WE EXPECT IT WITHIN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. YEAH. UM, AND USUALLY IT'S FUNDING RELATED AND TIME, BUT IT IS WHAT, IT'S THE O SO THE ONE RECOMMENDATION I DO HAVE, CAN WE VOTE ON, CAN WE VOTE ON THANK YOU CHAIR ON A, ON HIS RECOMMENDATION TO REQUIRE, HOLD ON. I WROTE IT DOWN. REQUIRE HOLISTIC COMMUNIC AGENT ENGAGEMENT FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS BEFORE CAPITAL PROJECTS, OR REQUIRE HOLISTIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR, FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THE BOND. LET'S UNDO THAT FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS AND THE BOND. DOES THAT, DID I SAY THAT RIGHT? ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? [03:15:01] THANK YOU. OKAY. RICH, YOU HAD A RECOMMENDATION? YEAH, I, I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I'LL HAVE NOW IS, UM, REVIEW ENERGY SAVINGS, PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING OPPORTUNITIES FOR F FACILITY RENOVATIONS VALUED OVER $5 MILLION. ANY SECOND ON THAT? JUST FIND THAT THAT'D BE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO AN ESPC TO MAKE THE RENOVATIONS BASED UPON THE UTILITY SAVINGS. IS THAT A STAFF RELATED COST OR IS THAT AN EXTERNAL COST? YEAH, 5 MILLION WOULD BE WHAT THE CAPITAL PROJECT WOULD RIGHT, RIGHT. COME OUT TO BUT TO DO THE ANALYSIS IS THAT, WELL, THE ANALYSIS WOULD BE PART OF THE ESPC, SO IT'D PAY FOR THROUGH THE UTILITY SAVINGS AND THEN YOU WOULD DO THE IMPROVEMENT. SO THIS, THIS ACTUALLY HELPS, THIS HELPED A LOT FOR ME WHEN I, ON THE A ISD BOND. 'CAUSE WE, WE HAD A REALLY GREAT CFO AT THE TIME AND, UM, AND SO WE DID THIS AND SO A ALLOWED OF ME TO GO INTO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY, WHICH IS TRUE, TRY TO MITIGATE THE AMOUNT OF SPEND THAT WE'RE PUTTING ON A, A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. AND SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR OTHER THINGS. AND THIS WAS ALTERNATIVE FUNDING. AND SO WHAT IT IS, YOU DO A DIRECT AND ENGINEERING STUDY, THEY LOOK AT WHAT THE SAVINGS IS BASED UPON MAKING IMPROVEMENTS SUCH AS WINDOWS AND MM-HMM . UH, INSULATION AND WHATNOT. AND THEN, UH, SO DOES IT ADD TO THE PROJECT COST? NO. 'CAUSE IT'S PAID THROUGH, THROUGH THE UTILITY SAVINGS. SEPARATE BUCKET OF MONEY DOESN'T TOUCH IT. MATTER OF FACT, THE CITY OF AUSTIN, THE ONE WHO'S WHO TOLD ME THAT YOU CAN EVEN DO THIS ON NEW CONSTRUCTION, YOU DO IT TO CODE, CODE BASED ON HIGH PERFORMANCE AND YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING. I DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW IT'S DONE. I JUST WANNA KNOW, DOES IT COST MORE? DOES IT COST ANY MONEY? CAN YOU REPEAT? JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS. RICK , CAN YOU REPEAT THE RECOMMENDATION? RICH REVIEW? LET'S HOPING SOMEBODY ELSE HAD RUN IT DOWN. UH, REVIEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING FOR ALL FACILITY RENOVATIONS OVER $5 MILLION. I'LL SECOND THAT. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, ONE MORE QUESTION. WHERE'S THE 5 MILLION? IS IT JUST AN ARBITRARY NUMBER OR IS THAT AN A ISD STANDARD? THAT WOULD BE NO, IT'S A, IT'S REALLY, IT'S A AR IT'S RELATIVELY ARBITRARY, BUT IT'S WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT PROFORMA, MAKE IT SENSE. YOU'D WANT A LARGER PROJECT, BUT AT 5 MILLION, IT'D BE SAY 15 YEARS, YOU WOULD USE A UTILITY SAVINGS TO PAY IT BACK. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HEARD OF THE PACE PROGRAM? YES. OKAY, SO THIS IS PACE. OKAY. BUT IT'S DONE THROUGH THE ENERGY SAVINGS PERFORMANCE CONTRACTING VERSUS ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE. WHAT PACE DOES, YEAH, I JUST HEARD THAT 5 MILLION IS GONNA, 5 MILLION IS NOT LIGHT UP A BUNCH OF FIRES. $5 MILLION IS BEING PAID FOR FROM THE UTILITIES. THAT WOULD'VE GONE JUST TO THE UTILITY INSTEAD OF IT'S GOING TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE FROM THE SAVINGS, WHICH HAS TO BE GUARANTEED BY STATE LAW. YOU'RE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY. OKAY. SAVING ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY, RAISE YOUR HAND. TALK ME INTO IT, RICH. THAT POLICY, IT'S ONLY AFTER NINE. VOTE FOR IT. IT'S A GOOD, IT'S A GOOD BASELINE FOR SURE. THANK YOU. ANY OPPOSED? THANKS. ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, BEN? BEN? MY, MY SECOND AND FINAL ONE IS, SO JUST AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COSTS, UH, TO THE, TO THE VOTER, EXPLAINING IT TO THEM, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, UH, CITY COUNCIL HAVE STAFF INCLUDE NOTES WHEN THEY SEND US INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, PRIORITIES. BOTH NAMED PROJECTS AND CATEGORIES ON, ON OPPORTUNITIES OF, OF SAVINGS LIKE THIS, CAPITAL EXPENDITURE IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE REVENUE CAPS WAY. OUR, OUR YEARLY BUDGETS ARE, AND THINGS THAT ARE SHIFTING COSTS, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAPITAL EXPENDITURE WILL END UP SAVING US MONEY IN THE BIG PICTURE. AND, UH, THIS GOES TO THE INTERLOCAL COOPERATION. IF US SPENDING MONEY IN CAPITAL EXPENDITURE HERE, SAVES US MONEY AT THE CITY, BUT ALSO MAYBE OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT PARTNERS, THAT'S VALUABLE INFORMATION. BECAUSE I PAY ONE TAX BILL, I PAY ONE TAX BILL, AND INCLUDED IN THAT ARE THE BIG FIVE AND THEIR DEBT SERVICE AND THEIR OPERATIONS. SO IF THERE ARE NOTES ON, HEY, THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, LOOKS LIKE IT'S A BIG PRICE TAG, BUT THIS IS CAPITAL EXPENDITURE THAT'S GONNA ALLOW US TO SAVE MONEY ON THIS OTHER SIDE, THAT IS USEFUL FOR FUTURE APPOINTEES IN DECIDING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THIS IS FOR, UH, SUGGESTION FOR FUTURE TASK FORCES THAT, THAT'S INFORMATION THEY SHOULD HAVE. FAIR ENOUGH. YES. YEAH, NO, MADAM CHAIR. UM, CAN I ALSO MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT, UM, THERE WAS THE DECISION MA MATRIX THAT THE MAYOR PUT OUT. UM, A LOT OF THOSE POLICY IDEAS ARE CAPTURED HERE, INCLUDING THE LEVERAGING OF REVENUE SOURCES AND ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. [03:20:01] SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT AS YOU FRAME SOME OF THESE POLICY STATEMENTS. OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF BEN'S POLICY REGARDING, UM, CAN, CAN I SUMMARIZE IT? YES. MM-HMM . I WAS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, UH, INCLUDING NOTES WHEN THE STAFF GIVES US, UH, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT IT BE TIED TO EACH ONE LIKE THAT, THAT GRANULAR LEVEL, UM, IF POSSIBLE. OKAY. IS OKAY. SO IS THIS ONLY ABOUT SAVING MONEY OR COULD IT BE, COULD IT INCLUDE SAVING PROPERTY OR SAVING LIVES? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S ALSO THE PUBLIC, THERE'S A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT, BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SAVING MONEY ON THIS ONE, RIGHT? I THINK THIS ONE IS IN ORDER TO, TO ANALYZE THE BENEFIT OF A PROJECT AND IN LOOKING AT THE COST, WHAT, WHAT POTENTIAL, UH, SAVINGS, LIKE OPERATIONAL MAINTENANCE, SAVINGS YOU MIGHT GET AFTER SPENDING THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT POLICY IS ON. THAT'S ONLY ABOUT MONEY THEN. YEAH. THIS NOT PRECLUDING THOSE NOTES. NO. I LOVE THOSE NOTES, BUT I'M SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING THE FINANCIAL NOTES. ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT POLICY RECOMMENDATION. RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? I SEE JC OKAY. THAT PASSES. ANY OTHER POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS? OKAY, WE ARE, UM, WITHOUT OBJECTION. WE ARE, I'M SORRY. ONE, ONE, UH, ONE THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR FOR YOUR HARD WORK. YOU'RE WELCOME. AND SHEPHERDING US THROUGH ALL OF THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND TO CITY STAFF FOR SHOWING UP AND STAYING LATE WITH US ALL THE TIME. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS. THANKS. YEAH. AND ALSO PASS ON TO FRANCIS. WE'RE SORRY THAT SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT SHE ALSO HELPED OUT A LOT. FOR SURE. ABSOLUTELY. WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT FRANCIS EITHER. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR DEDICATION OVER THE LAST, I THINK IT'S 18 MONTHS AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. 9 27. DONE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.