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          OKAY, 
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. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
IT'S MAY 15, 20, 26, 3:00 PM WE'RE, UM, CALL A MEETING, THE CPRC MONTHLY MEETING TO ORDER. 
          WE'LL, UH, START BY, UH, START BY, UH, VERIFYING, UM, QUORUM BY GO NAME. 
          UH, CALL YOUR NAME AND PLEASE SAY AYE OR YES, IF YOU'RE HERE. 
          CARLOS GRAVES. 
          PRESENT. 
          DEL OKAY. 
          TERRY FLOOD. 
          CHRISTOPHER HARRIS. 
          AYE. 
          LEE PETERMAN. 
          PETER. 
          GOOD. 
          HE'S NOT. 
          YES, I'M HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          COULD YOU TURN ON YOUR CAMERA? UH, PETERMAN? YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          CELESTA WILLIAMS. WILLIAMS. SORRY. 
          UH, LAURA CORTES. 
          FRANCO. 
          AYE. 
          DEREK EUGENE. 
          PRESENT. 
          MARISSA JOHNSON? I'M HERE. 
          LAUREN PENA? HERE. 
          CATHERINE RUSSELL. 
          HERE. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO I THINK WE VERIFY QUORUM. 
          OKAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION SPEAKERS? NOBODY PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          INTERESTING. 
          OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO START 
          [APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE APRIL 17TH, 2026. 
          AND I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, PLEASE, UH, VOTE ON APPROVAL. 
          SAY, UH, LIFT YOUR HANDS AND SAY, AYE, IF YOU APPROVE THE MINUTES OF APRIL 17TH, 2026. 
          I, THAT'S 1, 2, 3, 4. 
          SO, SO, SO THAT LOOKS LIKE WE MOSTLY APPROVE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE, THAT WAS ITEM ONE. 
          SO, UM, I'M GOING TO, UH, EXERCISE MY CHAIR PRIVILEGE, AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE INSTEAD OF ITEM NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS STAFF RE UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, STAFF BREATHING. 
          WE'RE GONNA, SINCE WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF THE POLICE CHIEF, WE'LL ALLOW, WANNA ALLOW, UH, WE HAVE ITEMS THIS, UM, NUMBER FOUR, 
          [4. Discussion with Austin Police Chief Lisa Davis regarding Community Police Review  Commission, Austin Police Oversight, and Austin Police Department working relations. ]
DISCUSS WITH AUSTIN POLICE CHIEF LISA DAVIS REGARDING COMMITTEE POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION, AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT, AND AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WORKING RELATIONSHIPS. 
          SO, IF YOU, UM, YOUR AGREEMENT, IF POLICE CHIEF, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STEPPING UP, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR JOINING US. 
          THIS IS A, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED THE SECOND TIME WE'VE HAD YOU, UH, COME HERE. 
          SO WE REALLY, UH, VALUE, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE, YOU'RE VERY, VERY BUSY. 
          AND, UH, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SHOWING UP. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION. 
          UM, I'M GOING TO DEFER SOME OF THE DRIVING THIS, THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION TO, UH, COMMISSIONER EUGENE, WHO WAS, UH, PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR COLLECTING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH. 
          SO, UH, WELCOME CHIEF DAVIS. 
          I BELIEVE YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN SOME, UH, QUESTIONS FROM US EARLIER. 
          CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC ON? OH, THANK YOU. 
          WELCOME. 
          CHIEF DAVIS. 
          I BELIEVE YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN A FEW QUESTIONS FROM US EARLIER, BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS, UH, YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US, WE'D WELCOME TO HEAR WHAT YOU YOU'D LIKE TO SAY. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. 
          I APPRECIATE BEING HERE, AND CERTAINLY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GOOD WORK, UM, THAT YOU'RE DOING AND, AND ABSOLUTELY LOOK FORWARD TO, TO WORKING, UH, MORE CLOSELY WITH THIS GROUP, UM, ALONGSIDE, UM, A PO. 
          UH, THIS IS MIKE BERGESON. 
          MIKE IS A COMMANDER HERE WITH THE, UM, AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          HE'S ONE OF MY, MY BEST COMMANDERS, AND HE IS IN CHARGE OF OUR INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS. 
          AND SO HE WORKS VERY CLOSELY WITH, UH, UM, CERTAINLY KEVIN AND, AND, AND GAIL, UH, ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. 
          UM, DID YOU HAVE ANY PREPARED COMMENTS OR REMARKS? I HAVE. 
          I'M READY FOR THE QUESTIONS. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST, UM, YOU CAN GO UP. 
          DO YOU WANT ME TO GO THROUGH QUESTIONS YOU RECEIVED ALREADY? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, SO THE QUESTIONS I RECEIVED, ONE WAS, WHAT DOES, WHAT ROLE DOES THE CHIEF SEE FOR THE CPRC IN ENHANCING PUBLIC SAFETY AND TRANSPARENCY? AND, AND CERTAINLY JUST TO GO WITH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT HERE, UH, OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, IT WAS REALLY ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          AND THIS IS A GROUP THAT, THAT ASSISTS WITH THAT. 
          SO YOU HAVE MY WORD THAT I AM, YOU KNOW, ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOWEVER WE CAN WORK TOGETHER, UM, WITHIN THAT, UH, I AM OPEN TO DO. 
          AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION ON HOW WE CAN DO THAT AND TO ENSURE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GUESS THE BIGGEST, UH, IMPACT, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT IN A LITTLE BIT, IS JUST MORE OF THE TIMELINES. 
          YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY FOR DISCIPLINE THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHEN, WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, DISCIPLINE IS GIVEN OUT AND OR WHEN IT'S EVEN COME TO OUR NOTICE AND WE'RE INVESTIGATING IT, THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY TIMELINES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN. 
          AND SO I THINK IF, IF WE CAN ALL GET INTO A SPACE WHERE WE'RE WORKING WITHIN THOSE TIMELINES AND EVERYONE IS ABLE TO, TO, UM, CERTAINLY BE HEARD ON WHAT MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE OR, OR CERTAIN SOMETHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, I THINK WE COULD ALL BE BETTER OFF WHEN WE, WHEN WE'RE ALL TAKING THOSE, AND CERTAINLY ME AT THE END OF THE DAY, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY BE. 
          SO THE SECOND 
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QUESTION IS, HOW DOES A, B, C, UH, HOW DOES A PD REVIEW ITS TRAINING PROTOCOLS? UH, WHEN IS THE NEXT REVIEW AND HOW, UM, CAN CPRC PARTICIPATE? AND SO, THE TRAINING ACADEMY HAS SEVERAL PROCESSES IN PLACE THAT ENSURE OUR TRAINING IS SAFE, EFFECTIVE, LEGAL, AND MEETS COMMUNITY, UH, NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS. 
          AND CERTAINLY EVERYONE HERE I'M SURE IS, UH, FAMILIAR WITH THE CROW REPORT AND THE WORK THAT THE ACADEMY, UM, HAS DONE WITH THE CROW REPORT. 
          WE RECENTLY HAD, UM, DR. 
          ROBIN ENGLE AND, UM, BARRY DUNN IN, UH, TO COME AND TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, WERE WE STAYING ON TOP OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          BUT TWO, UM, WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH AS FAR AS THE CROW REPORT, AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE ONE IS, UM, GIVING THE CADETS LONGER LUNCH BREAKS. 
          I BELIEVE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT WITHIN A, THE 10 HOUR DATE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER WAS A VIDEO LIBRARY, UM, THAT THEY WANTED BUILT WITHIN THE FACILITY. 
          AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON HOW WE CAN, UH, ACCOMMODATE, UH, A VIDEO LIBRARY FOR THE, FOR THE CADETS THERE. 
          BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE DO THAT WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          THIS COMMITTEE CYCLES THROUGH OUR TRAINING, UH, REVIEWING ON AN AVERAGE OF SEVEN CLASSES PER YEAR. 
          THIS IS A TWO-PART SYSTEM THAT INCLUDES AN IN-DEPTH LINE BY LINE, UH, REVIEW OF ACADEMIC, UM, OF OUR, UH, CLASSES THAT WE'RE TEACHING. 
          AND IT'S ALSO A, UM, LINE BY LINE REVIEW BY ACADEMIC SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON BEST PRACTICES AND RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          ANY OF THOSE UPDATES OR RECOMMENDATIONS BY THIS GROUP GO THROUGH THE, UM, A PO. 
          AND SO AS I'M THINKING OF HOW MORE THIS GROUP CAN BE PART OF THAT, AND, AND, AND GAIL, ANY COMMENT FROM YOU WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, APPRECIATED AS WELL. 
          I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, WHEN THAT GROUP IS GIVING RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES, DIFFERENT THINGS WE CAN DO AS A, AS AN ORGANIZATION, IT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THIS GROUP TO, TO WEIGH IN WITH YOU, UM, ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL. 
          AND SO THAT MIGHT BE A, UM, AN AREA WE CAN DO THAT. 
          WHAT IS THAT GROUP CALLED AGAIN? IT'S CALLED THE PROFESSIONAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO YOU IMAGINE DR. 
          KEVIN FOSTER'S AND THE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WE HAVE WITHIN, UH, THAT ARE TEACHING OUR CLASSES THERE. 
          AND THESE ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, UM, WITHIN THIS. 
          AND WE'RE LOOKING AT BEST PRACTICES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND HOW WE CAN GET BETTER, WHAT DO WE NEED TO BE TEACHING. 
          AND THEY'RE REVIEWING, AGAIN, THEY'RE REVIEWING THE CURRICULUM, UM, LOOKING AT CLASSES. 
          AND, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, WHERE THIS GROUP COULD, COULD WEIGH IN ON THAT AS WELL. 
          UH, THEN THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THIS IS ALSO A, A ORGANIZATION THAT, UH, CAC IS MADE UP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO REVIEW TRAINING GOALS AND PROCESSES TO ENSURE COMMUNITY VOICES REMAIN, UH, AN EXPLICIT PART OF OUR TRAINING. 
          UH, THOSE ARE A ONE YEAR, UM, UH, TERM IN THE CAC. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE A TCO ADVISORY BOARD. 
          THIS IS MANDATED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND THIS BOARD IS MADE UP OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND INTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS. 
          WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD A MEETING, UM, TWO DAYS AGO WITH THAT GROUP AT THE, AT THE ACADEMY. 
          SO THERE ARE MANY GROUPS AND MANY, UM, UM, PROCESSES FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY WITHIN THIS ACADEMY. 
          AND I THINK THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY PLACES, UH, WITHIN THOSE, EVEN THOSE THREE THAT THE, UM, THAT THIS GROUP COULD BE MORE ENGAGED IN. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, I WELCOME THAT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE ACADEMY. 
          AND SO, UM, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT HOW THAT COULD LOOK. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THE TCO ADVISORY COMMITTEE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I BELIEVE I SERVED ON THAT OKAY. 
          20 YEARS AGO. 
          OH, IS THAT RIGHT? IF WE COULD, IF YOU COULD SOMEHOW FIND SOME RECORDS OF THAT, I ABSOLUTELY WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          . 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. 
          I'LL, I'LL ABSOLUTELY LOVE COME FULL CIRCLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THE NEXT QUESTION THAT YOU HAD, AND IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, JUST, JUST PLEASE ASK, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO. 
          AND THEN I BROUGHT MIKE HERE. 
          HE'S, HE'S FANTASTIC AS WELL. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF MCAT PROGRAM? IF SO, CAN YOU SHARE, UM, ANY METRICS ON ITS OWN, ON ITS EFFECTIVENESS? UM, YES, I AM AWARE OF MCAT, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE, THE WORK THAT, UH, MCAT DOES HERE. 
          IT'S A 24 7, UM, OPERATION NOW. 
          SO IMAGINE, UH, WHEN SOMEONE, UH, CALLS 9 1 1, WHAT THAT 9 1 1 OPERATOR IS ASKING, IS THIS A, UM, YOU KNOW, POLICE, FIRE, UH, EMS OR MENTAL HEALTH? AND, UM, THAT PERSON IS ABLE, IT STARTS FROM THERE, THAT C3 CALL, WHERE A PERSON IS ABLE TO GO THERE AND TALK TO, UM, A PERSON. 
          BUT IF WE HAPPEN TO GET, UM, CALLED OUT THE POLICE AND THE OFFICERS ARRIVE, WE ARE ABLE TO CALL AMCO IF WE BELIEVE THAT, THAT THAT PERSON WOULD BE, UM, BENEFICIAL ON THE, ON THE STREET HERE WITH A PERSON, UM, THAT WE'RE INTERACTING WITH. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES HERE. 
          A LOT OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE WITHIN THIS DEPARTMENT ARE, UM, BASED ON MENTAL HEALTH. 
          I DO FEEL VERY FORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE A, A FANTASTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH OUR EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, TRAVIS COUNTY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICE HERE. 
          UM, THEY TAKE A, A GREAT DEAL OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, AND I THINK THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COULD TAKE MORE. 
          UM, I THINK AS WE LOOK TOWARD LEGISLATION, UM, NEXT YEAR, UM, WE ARE THE, WE, WE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN SIGN E EMERGENCY HOLDS ON, UH, DETENTION HOLDS. 
          AND SO YOU IMAGINE SOMEONE HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS WHERE THEY'RE WANTING TO HURT SOMEONE ELSE OR WANNA HURT THEMSELVES TO BE ABLE TO SIGN A 72 HOUR, UM, HOLD. 
          UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS COULD EMS HAVE THAT CAPABILITY? AND SO TO, TO BELIEVE ME, UH, UH, UH, POLICE OFFICERS WOULD MUCH RATHER, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RESPOND TO A MENTAL 
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HEALTH, UH, CALL, WE WOULD MUCH RATHER NOT NOT RESPOND TO THOSE CALLS. 
          IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE THE POLICE OUT OF THAT. 
          THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL FOR THAT. 
          UM, WE'RE NOT MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE TRAINING, BUT WE'RE NOT THE PROFESSIONALS. 
          AND SO TO ADD OTT INTO THAT AND TO THIS IS A CITY THAT THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON. 
          AND I, AND HOPEFULLY YOU'VE HEARD, UH, NO WRONG DOOR. 
          SO NO, WRONG DOOR IS A, A CITY LED INITIATIVE, UM, OUT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND AT, CERTAINLY AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, HIGH UTILIZERS. 
          AND THIS WAS STARTED IN, UM, I BELIEVE BOULDER, COLORADO. 
          BUT IT'S LOOKING AT WHO ARE OUR HIGHEST UTILIZERS, WHO'S USING THE MOST RESOURCES AS FAR AS POLICE, FIRE, EMS, INTEGRAL CARE. 
          AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UM, YOU KNOW, MANY NONPROFITS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          AND SO IF YOU CAN IMAGINE, EVERYONE KNOWS BOB, AND BOB HAS A MENTAL HEALTH, UM, HE'S HAD SEVERAL MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. 
          HE'S FAMILIAR WITH DIFFERENT, WITH ST. 
          DAVID'S, WITH DEL SETON, UH, WITH EMS FIRE, ALL OF US HAVE HAD IMPACT WITH BOB, BUT WE'RE NOT SHARING INFORMATION. 
          AND SO YOU THINK ABOUT THE COSTS OF ALL OF THAT TO THE CITY, TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, TO FIRE EMS, THE TIME THAT'S SPENT WITH THIS PERSON, HOW ARE WE TRULY HELPING, UM, BOB GET THE HELP THAT HE NEEDS? AND SO, NO WRONG DOOR BRINGS EVERYBODY, ALL OF THOSE ENTITIES INTO THE SAME ROOM. 
          AND WE'RE ALL WORKING IN A, A TRULY HOLISTIC WAY TO GET HELP FOR THOSE, UH, FOR THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE HIGH UTILIZERS. 
          AND SO IN THIS CITY, WE HAVE ABOUT 600 HIGH UTILIZERS THAT FALL WITHIN A CATEGORY. 
          AND SO YOU TALK ABOUT THE SIZE OF BOULDER, THEY HAD 50 THAT THEY DEALT WITH. 
          SO WE'RE TAKING IT 50 AT A TIME HERE. 
          AND WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN, UM, SOME GREAT SUCCESSES WITH THIS. 
          WE'RE DOING, UH, PILING IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          WE HAVE OUR CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM, UH, CALLING IT NO WRONG DOORS. 
          AND THIS IS A GROUP THAT, UM, WE HAD, UH, A LADY THAT WAS AROUND, UH, THE MAIN HEADQUARTERS, AND SHE WAS OFTEN IN JUST A DIAPER. 
          SHE WOULD WEAR A DIAPER AND, UM, SLEEPING IN THE GUTTERS AND SHE WASN'T CALLING HERSELF, BUT PEOPLE WERE CALLING ON HER. 
          UH, SHE WAS REFUSING SERVICES. 
          SHE WOULD GET TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEN JUST RELEASE BACK OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS NOWHERE TO, TO, TO BRING HER, UM, TO, AND THIS GROUP, UM, THESE OFFICERS GOT WITH HER, GOT WITH HER, HER MOTHER GOT REENGAGED AND SAID, LOOK, AS IF WE CAN GET HER INTO A BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND SHE STAYS AND CAN GET STABILIZED AND WE CAN GET HER PROBATED, UM, WE'RE WILLING TO GET REENGAGED. 
          AND THAT HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          THEY END UP, UH, GOING UP TO GEORGETOWN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH, SHE STAYED THERE AND NOW SHE'S ON HER WAY TO, TO CERTAINLY THINGS THAT SHE HAS NEVER BEEN OFFERED BEFORE. 
          AND SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND, AND, AND ADDRESSING MENTAL HEALTH, UM, IN THE CITY. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME SERIOUS INROADS, UM, IN THAT, THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS, UH, NO WRONG DOORS. 
          SO MC A T IS EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE WHOLE CONCEPT AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER IN PARTNERSHIP. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          WHAT IS MCAT, WHAT DO THE LETTERS STAND FOR? UM, IT IS THE EXPANDED MOBILE CRISIS OUTREACH TEAM. 
          SO IT'S JUST THAT WHEN AN OFFICER GETS ON SCENE AND SAY THEY'RE DEALING WITH A, SOMEONE WITH A MENTAL HEALTH AND THEY THINK, LOOK, I COULD USE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL HERE WITH ME. 
          UM, THEY'RE ABLE TO CALL THEM AND THEY RESPOND OUT. 
          AND THAT'S AVAILABLE 24 7. 
          YEP. 
          I THINK IT'S BEEN UPDATED WHERE, UH, THEY CAN BE DISPATCHED DIRECTLY YES. 
          BELIEVE NOW. 
          YES. 
          AND NOT WAIT FOR AN OFFICER TO BE ON SCENE. 
          THAT AND MENTAL HEALTH, AND CERTAINLY WHEN YOU'RE TAKING MA MAKING SURE THAT'S NOT SOMEONE THAT YOU KNOW, HAS A WEAPON OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE DANGEROUS, THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, SEE SUCCESS WITH THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A, A, A CITY THAT DEALS WITH A LOT OF MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, UM, ON A DAILY BASIS FOR SURE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, WITH REGARD TO APDS DISCIPLINARY PROCEDURES, WHAT ARE THE VARIOUS OPTIONS FOR DISCIPLINING OFFICERS FROM LEASE TO SEVERE DETERMINATION? AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO JUMP IN HERE AND TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, I HAVE, I HAVE THE LIST HERE, SO I'LL START, AND THEN AT ANY POINT YOU WANTED TO JUMP IN OR IF YOU FEEL LIKE I'M LEAVING SOMETHING OUT, BECAUSE YOU ARE DEFINITELY THE PROFESSIONAL WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTIGATING THESE THINGS. 
          SO WE START WITH, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT DISCIPLINE, CERTAINLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEALING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, FROM A, A LARGE DEGREE, RIGHT? WE'RE DEALING WITH, UM, VERY MINIMAL, UH, THINGS THAT MAYBE A, A FRONTLINE SUPERVISOR CAN CATCH. 
          AND WHETHER THAT'S AN ORAL REPRIMAND OR THAT'S, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY AS A FRONTLINE SUPERVISOR, I'M ABLE TO CATCH AND, AND, AND MOVE A PERSON AWAY FROM, FROM THAT BEHAVIOR AND, AND MENTORING. 
          I, I THINK THERE'S ABSOLUTELY POWER IN THAT. 
          AND FROM SOMEBODY THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, CAME ON IN 1992, AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE MENTORS THAT YOU'VE HAD, UM, IN THIS JOB, YOU MAKE A LOT OF MISTAKES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU TALK ABOUT MISTAKES OF THE HEART AND OF THE HEAD, AND, UM, HOW DO YOU MENTOR THESE YOUNG KIDS TO, TO, TO MOVE 'EM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION? SO THAT FRONTLINE SUPERVISOR, UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO CRITICAL, UM, IN THE ROLE OF POLICING, BUT WE START WITH THAT ORAL REPRIMAND. 
          UM, INFORMAL DISCIPLINE CAN BE, UH, FIELD NOTES, ORAL COUNSELING, TRAINING. 
          WE DO A LOT OF, UM, EITHER ONE-ON-ONE TRAINING, INFORMAL TRAINING, IF WE SEE SOMETHING, UM, UM, EVEN TRAINING FOR A WHOLE, UM, GROUP OF OFFICERS, UM, THAT ARE ON A SHIFT TOGETHER. 
          IF WE FEEL LIKE THAT WHOLE GROUP COULD USE SOMETHING, WE'LL BRING OUT, UM, THE ACADEMY STAFF AND THEY CAN DO SOME TRAINING THAT WAY, OR THE SUPERVISORS CAN REQUEST CERTAIN TRAINING. 
          IF THEY'RE SEEING A DEFICIENCY IN ONE AREA, THEY CAN ASK THE ACADEMY TO COME OUT AND DO SOME TRAINING SPECIFICALLY. 
          UM, 
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AGAIN, THOSE COUNSELINGS. 
          AND THEN THE, THE ORAL REPRIMANDS WHEN IT STARTS GETTING INTO THE, THE, UH, DISCIPLINE AS FAR AS GOING HIGHER UP, WE DEAL WITH WRITTEN REPRIMAND, SUSPENSION, UM, EDUCATION BASED DISCIPLINE IS ONE TO FIVE DAYS. 
          UM, AND THEN ACTUAL DAYS OFF SUSPENSION. 
          AND THEN, UM, THAT'S UP TO 15 DAYS. 
          AND THEN A MUTUALLY AGREED TEMPORARY SUSPENSION OF 16 DAYS TO 90 CALENDAR DAYS. 
          AND YOU, ONCE I'M DONE HERE, IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHAT THAT ABSOLUTELY, THAT DIFFERENCE IS, THAT'D BE GREAT. 
          AND THEN DEMOTION, INDEFINITE SUSPENSION AND, UM, ALTERNATIVE DISCIPLINE AND LAST CHANCE AGREEMENTS. 
          UM, I THINK I'VE GIVEN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, ONE LAST CHANCE AGREEMENT BASICALLY SAYING, UM, ON TOP OF THIS SUSPENSION, IF THIS HAPPENS AGAIN, YOU WILL BE TERMINATED. 
          AND SO, UM, I HAVE GIVEN ONE OF THOSE. 
          AND DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT IS AS FAR AS HOW THAT DISCIPLINE GOES? SO I'M SURE YOU'RE ASKING THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE LEVELS OF DISCIPLINE, BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR, FOR DISCIPLINE AFTER YOU REVIEW A CASE. 
          AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ARE, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME, UM, POLICY VIOLATION, WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S THE ISSUE BEHIND THE POLICY VIOLATION. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY INCUMBENT UPON THE COMMANDERS TO KNOW THEIR OFFICERS AND KNOW THEIR HISTORY AND WHAT KIND OF TRAINING THEY'VE RECEIVED. 
          UM, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WITH THAT IS, IF, IF AN OFFICER, FOR EXAMPLE, MAKES A MISTAKE AND THE, AND THE NEXT OFFICER MAKES THE SAME MISTAKE, IS IT A TRAINING ISSUE OR IS THERE, IS THERE SOMETHING MORE TO IT WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY NEED TO RECEIVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? SO IT'S NOT JUST BASED ON THE INCIDENT, IT'S BASED, UH, ON THE, ON THE ACT, IT'S BASED ON THE INCIDENT AND THE OFFICER AND THE TOTALITY OF CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO DISCIPLINE, WE HAVE FORMAL VERSUS INFORMAL DISCIPLINE. 
          EVERYTHING ABOVE A WRITTEN IS FORMAL DISCIPLINE. 
          EVERYTHING UNDER IS INFORMAL DISCIPLINE. 
          AND IT REALLY RANGES BASED ON, BASED ON WHAT WE'VE GOT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE IMPLEMENTED A FEW YEARS AGO IS EDUCATION BASED DISCIPLINE. 
          SO IF WE SEE SOMETHING WHERE WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS OFFICER NEEDS TRAINING, BUT THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST ONE-ON-ONE COUNSELING, THEY NEED MORE THAN JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, SHIFT LEVEL TRAINING WHERE THE SERGEANT COMES IN AND READS POLICY TO THEM, THEY NEED TO GO OUT TO THE ACADEMY. 
          THEY CAN SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA GIVE THIS OFFICER, UM, UH, A FOUR DAY E EDUCATION BASED EBD DISCIPLINARY, UH, DISCIPLINE FOR THIS VIOLATION. 
          UM, THAT FOUR DAY IS NOT THE, UH, THE EQUIVALENT OF A FOUR DAY CLASS. 
          IT JUST MEANS IN LIEU OF GETTING A FOUR DAY SUSPENSION, WE'RE SENDING THIS OFFICER TO TRAINING IN ORDER TO CORRECT THEIR BEHAVIOR. 
          AND OF COURSE, OUR DISCIPLINARY MATRIX IS, UH, IS PROGRESSIVE. 
          SO IF THAT OFFICER RECEIVES A WRITTEN REPRIMAND FOR SOMETHING, THEY CAN RECEIVE A, A THREE DAY EBD FOR THE NEXT THING, OR A FOUR DAY EBD FOR THE NEXT THING AFTER THAT. 
          UM, SO IF, IF YOU WERE TO GIVE EDUCATION BASED DISCIPLINE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND THE CLASS WAS A TWO DAY DRIVING CLASS, BECAUSE THIS PERSON UNFORTUNATELY KEEPS BACKING INTO POLES, UM, THAT WOULD SATISFY THE FOUR DAY EDUCATION BASED DISCIPLINE. 
          BUT, UM, WHEN IT COMES, COMES TO 15 DAYS, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY THE MAXIMUM, UH, SUSPENSION, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALLOWED UNDER, UH, CIVIL SERVICE HERE IN TEXAS. 
          WE HAVE, UH, A 16 TO 90 DAY AGREED SU AGREED SUSPENSION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE, THE OFFICER TO RECEIVE MORE THAN THAT 15 DAYS. 
          BUT THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO IT, AND THAT THEY WON'T TRY AND ARBITRATE IT, OR THEY WON'T TRY AND FIGHT IT DOWN THE ROAD. 
          IF THEY TAKE UP TO A 15 DAY SUSPENSION, THEY CAN TAKE THAT TO ARBITRATION AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET THAT OVERTURNED AS THROUGH A THIRD PARTY. 
          BUT THAT DOES TAKE SOME TIME. 
          BUT WE HAVE CERTAINLY DISCIPLINED UP TO 90 DAYS BEFORE. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S, UM, AND THEN AT THAT POINT, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ARBITRATE IT IF THEY'VE NOT AGREED ON IT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY IF THAT WASN'T CLEAR. 
          OH, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I THINK THERE'S MORE TO BE SAID. 
          I'M HAPPY TO TALK MORE IN DEPTH. 
          BUT, UM, THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? OKAY. 
          I, I DO HAVE A, A COMMENT. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER VICE FCO. 
          UH, FIRST I WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT AS A COMMISSION WE NITPICK AT THE POLICY VIOLATIONS. 
          SO I KNOW THE POSITIVE WORK THAT A PD DOES. 
          I WANNA START OFF WITH THAT. 
          AND WITH THAT, WITH THAT IN MIND, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THOSE INFORMAL, INFORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S BEHIND THOSE POLICY VIOLATIONS. 
          WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THOSE INFORMAL ANDAL REPRIMANDS. 
          IS THERE METRICS ASSOCIATED WITH, I'VE HAD THIS OFFICER THAT'S HAD SEVERAL MINOR ORAL, UH, REPRIMANDS THAT'S NOT BEEN DOCUMENTED. 
          IS THERE SOME, IS THERE SOME SORT OF ASSESSMENT OR METRIC SO THAT IT BECOMES, IT'S NOT JUST TO THIS LEVEL THAT IS NOW FORMAL, BUT IT'S HAPPENED SO MANY TIMES INFORMALLY AND SMALL, THAT DOES, IT EVENTUALLY BECOMES A FORMAL YEAH. 
          REPRIMAND. 
          I THINK, I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO RECOGNIZE THAT EVEN THE INFORMAL IS DOCUMENTED. 
          SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WHEN I, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF A FRONTLINE SUPERVISOR AND WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH THINGS THAT BEFORE THEY CAN BECOME PROBLEMS, I WANT A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND I WANT A LOT OF MENTORING FROM THOSE FRONTLINE SUPERVISORS FOR THESE YOUNG OFFICERS. 
          BUT ANY, ANY DISCIPLINE, EVEN INFORMAL IS DOCUMENTED. 
          AND SO TO YOUR POINT OF IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME DOES IT RISE TO A WRITTEN REPRIMAND? YES. 
          AND SO THAT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT BEHAVIOR THAT WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD BY THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU CLARIFIED THAT. 
          YEP. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NEXT QUESTION IS, DO, LET ME GET MY READERS ON 'EM. 
          SORRY. 
           DUTIES OF POLICE 
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CHIEF OF ORDINANCE REQUIRES THE POLICE CHIEF TO PROVIDE A PUBLIC WRITTEN RESPONSE TO ANY OFFICER DISCIPLINARY DECISION THAT DOES NOT FOLLOW AN ISSUED RECOMMENDATION OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, SAYING THAT BY ISSUING A DISCIPLINARY DECISION ON A CASE BEFORE THE CPRC HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW SAID CASE AND HENCE BEFORE THE CPRC CAN ISSUE ANY RECOMMENDATION FOR OFFICER DISCIPLINE ON THE CASE THIS SECTION OR OF THE ORDINANCES IN EFFECT RENDERED UNENFORCEABLE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO KIND OF WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE IT OUT. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE ON A TIMELINE, I THINK BY THE TIME WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH ALMOST 30 DAYS, JUST 30 DAYS, I THINK. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? THAT, THAT WE CAN DISCIPLINE ONCE, UM, ONCE WE'RE, ONCE THE DISCIPLINE'S BEEN HANDLED OUT, THERE'S LIKE A 30 DAY TIMELINE? IS THAT CORRECT? I, I, I BELIEVE IT'S DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT, UM, FROM, FROM THE TIME THE POLICY VIOLATION COMES TO OUR ATTENTION, WE, WE HAVE THAT FULL 365 DAYS BY CONTRACT MM-HMM . 
          TO GET IT, TO GET IT CLOSED OUT. 
          AND SO, UM, ONCE WE'VE FINISHED THE INVESTIGATION, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, I, I CAN ELABORATE. 
          THE CONCERN, UH, WE HAVE IS THAT IF YOU FOLLOW THE FULL, UH, THE, THE LANGUAGE OF THE, OF THE CODE IS THAT IT SEEMS THAT BY ISSUING YOUR DECREE OR YOUR DECISION MM-HMM . 
          BEFORE WE HAVE A CHANCE TO GIVE OUR RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S AN EASY WAY OF, OF NOT, NOT, NOT GETTING AROUND THE, THE, THE, THE CODE. 
          AND THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT BASICALLY THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, UM, I WANT TO CLARIFY THIS, YOU WANNA TRUST BUT VERIFY. 
          OH, FOR SURE. 
          AND SO PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT THIS, AND BELIEVE ME, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND ANY CODE. 
          AND SO I, I THINK GAIL, HOWEVER WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK IT'S A CONVERSATION WE CAN HAVE. 
          AND SO THE, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR THE CPRC TO ACTUALLY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO THE CHIEF MAKING A DECISION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO I THINK WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, UM, THE COMMISSION HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE DISCIPLINE IS ISSUED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOW ARE WE ENSURING THEN, IF WE HAVE A TIMELINE THAT WE'RE UP AGAINST, RIGHT. 
          WITH THE HOW ARE WE ENSURING THAT YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE DISCUSSION WE, YEAH. 
          WELL, IT'S A LITTLE MORE SUBTLE THAN THAT BECAUSE BASICALLY THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE POLICE CHIEF, IF OUR RECOMMENDATION DEFERS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU WANT, YOU HAVE TO WRITE A WRITTEN MM-HMM . 
          PUBLIC WRITTEN EXPLANATION OF WHY YOU CHOSE TO 'CAUSE THAT BASED, YOU KNOW, THE BOX OFFICER, YOU'RE THE DECIDER, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          RIGHT? OUR RECOMMENDATION, JUST A RECOMMENDATION. 
          BUT IF YOU, IN IN THE EVENT THEY'RE DIFFERENT, YOU GET TO SAY WHY MM-HMM . 
          WELL, ONE WAY OF AVOIDING THAT IS BY ISSUING IT BEFORE WE EVER HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THIS. 
          AND I GUESS WHAT WE WANT IS JUST, I GUESS SOME, UH, REASSURANCE THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR, THAT'S, THAT YOUR INTENTION IS TO TRY TO, TO ALLOW ABSOLUTELY. 
          FUNCTION THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I DON'T WANNA SEE THOUGH, IS A, IS AS WE'RE DEALING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROCESS. 
          AND, AND GAIL, I MEAN, YOU HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT. 
          I, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO TRYING TO GET AROUND THIS. 
          WE, THIS IS THE WAY IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          THIS IS THE WAY IT WILL BE. 
          BUT I WANNA KEEP IN MIND TOO, THAT YOU'RE HAVING WITH, WE NEED TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE ABLE TO, TO, TO GET THIS DISCIPLINE DONE AND NOT WAIT MONTHS AND MONTHS WHEN AN OFFICER'S RUNNING TO GET THAT DONE, THEY, THIS IS, THIS WEIGHS VERY HEAVY ON THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND THEIR FAMILIES. 
          AND SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A, UM, UH, A PROCESS WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST RATHER QUICKLY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S HERE YOU HAVE 30 DAYS OR YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT PROCESS, COUNT ME IN AND WE'LL SIT DOWN AND WE'LL TALK AND, AND FIGURE OUT HOW THAT THAT'S GONNA WORK. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT ANSWERED THAT FIVE. 
          CAN YOU GIVE US A, A REASSURANCE? I THINK YOU ASKED THAT ON THAT, SO YES, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEN, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT A PD AND CPRC COULD DO TO FACILITATE COMPLIANCE? AND, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA WORK TOGETHER TO, TO ENSURE THAT THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, IS BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY AND CERTAINLY TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO SERVE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE'RE AS TRANSPARENT AND, AND, AND THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY HERE. 
          SO COUNT ME IN AND, AND GAIL, PLEASE MAKE SURE I'M PART OF THOSE MEETINGS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE MY WORD, I'LL BE THERE AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW, TOGETHER, AND MIKE IS, IS FANTASTIC AS WELL. 
          SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE CAN WORK WITH THEN, UM, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO MOVE RATHER QUICKLY. 
          AND IF WE NEED TO PICK IT UP ON OUR END, WE'LL DO THAT ON OUR END AS WELL. 
          UM, AND, AND WE'LL JUST SEE WHERE THIS GOES, BUT I THINK AS LONG AS WE'RE, I THINK WE'RE ALL WANTING THE SAME, THE SAME THING HERE. 
          AND IF WE CAN KEEP MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, I THINK WE'RE, WE'LL ALL BE WE'LL ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE SOLICITED AND PREPARED QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GIVING YOUR ATTENTION TO THAT. 
          UM, I THINK YOU'VE PROVEN YOU'RE SKILLED AND ADEPT ENOUGH TO MAYBE TAKE A FEW IMPROMPTU QUESTIONS. 
          SURE, ABSOLUTELY. 
          YEAH. 
          SURE. 
          UH, SO 
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I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE REMAINING COMMISSIONERS FOR SOME QUESTIONS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MOST IMPORTANT. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO SPEAK WITH YOU. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, AND IF YOU CAN'T ANSWER IT, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND UNDERSTAND, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO REGARDS OF, UM, POLICE BEING PUNISHED OR PROSECUTED BY THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY SAY SO WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO SAY, LOOK, I REALLY DON'T AGREE WITH THEM BEING PROSECUTED ON THIS. 
          HOW MUCH OF A WORKING RELATIONSHIP DO YOU GUYS HAVE? AND HOW MUCH INFLUENCE CAN YOU HAVE ON THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S, UH, DECISIONS? YEAH, I, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN I GOT HERE, IT WAS, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IT WAS, UM, NOT A MANDATE, BUT IT WAS CERTAINLY CLEAR THAT, THAT THAT WAS A, A RELATIONSHIP THAT NEEDED TO BE MENDED. 
          AND I THINK I'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT. 
          UM, THE DA AND I MEET MONTHLY, AND WE TALK REGULARLY. 
          UM, I THINK ANYTIME YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS, AND THERE ARE TIMES, CERTAINLY WE ARE, WE'RE NOT GONNA AGREE. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. 
          AND I THINK, UM, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I THINK SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THERE'S HAS NOT BEEN AN OFFICER THAT'S BEEN INDICTED. 
          UM, BECAUSE I THINK WHEN YOU CAN START LOOKING AT WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR TRAINING? WHAT ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, UM, HOW ARE YOU HOLDING OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE? WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHAT'S YOUR TRANSPARENCY? ARE YOU GETTING IN FRONT OF THESE THINGS? UM, AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF IT. 
          UM, THESE OFFICERS NEED TO BE TRAINED IN DEESCALATION, AND WE'RE DOING THAT AT THE ACADEMY. 
          THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE AT THE ACADEMY USING ICA, UM, YOU KNOW, THESE OFFICERS AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU THINK ABOUT THE, THE AMOUNT OF CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THE AMOUNT OF INTERACTIONS THAT THESE OFFICERS HAVE ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY. 
          THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          NOW, ARE, IS THERE AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT? OF COURSE THERE ARE, OF COURSE THERE ARE AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT. 
          UM, AND, AND SO AS WE'RE LOOKING AT TRAINING, WE'RE LOOKING AT DEESCALATION HOW WE CAN DO BETTER. 
          UM, YOU THINK ABOUT DEESCALATION AS FAR AS PEOPLE WITH KNIVES AND BATS AND EMPTY HANDS, CERTAINLY NOT WITH A GUN. 
          THAT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT, UM, DIFFERENT THING, BUT TRULY CAPTURING AT THE ACADEMY THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERY HUMAN LIFE, THERE'S VALUE IN EVERY HUMAN LIFE YOU'RE GONNA GET OUT OF THIS ENCOUNTER ALIVE, AND I'M GONNA GET OUTTA THIS ENCOUNTER ALIVE. 
          AND THAT'S BEING TAUGHT THROUGH WRAPPING PROCEDURES AND POLICIES ALL WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK. 
          AND I THINK IT'S CHANGING THAT NARRATIVE, UM, AND HOW WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE MORE, GETTING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECT, ALL OF THAT. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S CHANGING AS FAR AS, UM, HOW WE'RE OPERATING NOW. 
          THE DA HE'S, HE'S COMING FROM A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, HE'S LOOKING AT THINGS AND, AND, AND SOMETIMES A DIFFERENT LENS. 
          UM, BUT IT REALLY IS ABOUT HOW WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND HE'S SEEING THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE ADAPTING AND, OR THAT WE'RE ADOPTING AT THE ACADEMY, AND WE'RE DOING THESE THINGS. 
          UM, AND, AND CERTAINLY WORKING WITH YOU, WORKING WITH THIS GROUP, THAT'S A, THAT'S ANOTHER THING OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE DA'S OFFICE CAN CERTAINLY, UM, POINT TO AS WELL. 
          SO THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. 
          THAT RELATIONSHIP IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, ARE WE ALWAYS GONNA AGREE? NO. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL BE RESPECTFUL AND, UM, HE'LL, HE'LL ALWAYS HEAR MY OPINION AND, AND, AND I'LL HEAR HIS THAT'S GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I GUESS, I, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          UM, HI, I'M, I'M KATHY RUSSELL. 
          I'M, UH, JUST A CITIZEN, SO PARDON ME IF I'M NOT GREAT AT LEGAL JARGON. 
          BUT, UM, UH, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, A CURRENT CASE IN, IN OUR GROUP THAT WE'RE REVIEWING IS, UH, IN REFERENCE TO, UH, UH, AN ICE CASE, UH, AND TO AN ICE DETA, UH, DETAIN HIM. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT WE OBSERVED IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE THAT WE'RE REVIEWING IS THAT THERE WAS SOME LACK OF CLARITY, AT LEAST IT SEEMED TO US ON THE OFFICERS ON PROCEDURES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, PROCEDURES, AND I GUESS I'LL JUST SAY PROCEDURES ON COMMUNICATING WITH ICE, ALSO ON, UH, THE TYPE OF WARRANT RIGHT. 
          THAT COMES FROM ICE. 
          YEP. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, A IS IT JUDICIAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE? I BELIEVE THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, AS FAR AS WE UNDER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS ARE IN, IN FLUX, UH, WITH SB FOUR IS THAT, UH, WITH, UH, WHAT IS REQUIRED OF AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY INTERACT WITH ICE? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S CHANGING OR, UH, IN SOME LITIGATION. 
          AND, UM, MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES AT FACE VALUE, WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, WHAT DOES A PD DO TO KEEP THE OFFICERS WHEN IT'S A SITUATION LIKE THAT THAT'S CHANGING OVER TIME? WHAT DOES A PD DO TO KEEP THOSE OFFICERS UP TO DATE? YEAH. 
          WHEN IT'S CHANGING FROM MONTH TO MONTH, WEEK TO WEEK? YEAH, FOR SURE. 
          AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH SENATE BILL BEFORE THE, THE CURRENT SENATE BEFORE, UM, IS FROM 2017 IS THE ONE WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITHIN. 
          I THINK THE OTHER 2023, UM, IS, I DUNNO IF IT WAS APPEAL OR NOT APPEALED, BUT I THINK THE, THE COURTS ARE RULING ON THAT NOW. 
          UM, WHICH KIND OF PUTS IT, UM, WILL ARREST ON STATE, STATE CHARGES IF YOU CAN PROVE THAT, THAT THEY'RE, UM, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. 
          SO 
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ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TO DO IS, IN FEBRUARY OF 2025, OVER 700,000 ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS WERE PUT INTO THE SYSTEM BY, BY THE DEPARTMENT OF WHOLE NAME SECURITY. 
          AND SO THOSE WERE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS THAT OFFICERS HAD NEVER SEEN. 
          UM, WE WERE DEALING, AND, AND IF YOU WOULD RUN THE INDIVIDUAL, IT WOULD COME UP LOOKING BASICALLY THE SAME, AND IT WOULD SAY ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, IT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, A CRIMINAL WARRANT, BUT IT WOULD SAY, CALL ICE, AND IT WOULD GIVE A PHONE NUMBER TO CALL. 
          AND SO, CERTAINLY WORKING WITH CITY LEGAL AND HOW DOES, HOW DOES WORKING WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF SENATE BILL FOUR AND STAYING WITHIN THE, THE LAW THERE, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE? AND SO AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF TIMES OFFICERS CALL, AND IT CERTAINLY AFTER, UM, KAREN AND HER DAUGHTER GENESIS, THE, THE RUN OVER THE HONDURAS, UH, HONDURAN FAMILY, UM, THAT IS KIND OF THE CATALYST FOR, FOR THAT WHOLE CONVERSATION. 
          AND SO, UH, IMMEDIATELY PUTTING THE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS INTO, UM, OUR GENERAL ORDERS ON WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, HOW THAT'S DIFFERENT, AND HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT, UM, PUTTING THE, UM, UM, THE OFFICER HAS TO NOTIFY A SUPERVISOR AND THEN THE, UH, WATCH THE WATCH COMMANDER. 
          AND SO AT THAT POINT, AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, THE, YOU KNOW, A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE, UM, YOU KNOW, CAME AND SAID THAT WE WERE IN VIOLATION. 
          AND SO KIND OF WORKING WITHIN THAT. 
          AND I DO FEEL LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AT ALL OF THE, THE, THE POLITICS OF ALL OF THIS, UM, THE OFFICERS STILL, I WEEKLY, WE HAVE A COMSAT MEETING WEEKLY, WE GO OVER THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, AND THOSE NUMBERS HAVE NOT GROWN. 
          UM, WE'RE TALKING A VERY SMALL NUMBER, UM, I THINK FOR THE WHOLE, FROM 23 TO 25, WE'RE TALKING SEVERAL YEARS. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S, WE'VE CALLED ICE MAYBE SEVEN TIMES, AND THEY'VE RESPONDED THREE. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING, THESE ARE VERY SMALL NUMBERS. 
          AND SO I THINK THE, THE, UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A ABSOLUTELY FEAR IN, IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THIS IS A GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ALREADY FEARFUL OF POLICE AND THEY DON'T WANNA CALL THE POLICE. 
          THEY UNDER REPORT. 
          WE KNOW THAT. 
          AND SO TRYING TO GAIN, UH, TRUST WITH, YOU KNOW, VULNERABLE POPULATIONS IS HARD. 
          AND THIS MAKES IT EVEN MORE CHALLENGING. 
          UM, SO TO STAY WITHIN THE LAW AND STILL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, OFFICERS AREN'T ASKING IMMIGRATION STATUS. 
          UM, WHEN THOSE, WHEN THOSE DO COME UP, WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM A, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE WAY WE'RE GONNA OPERATE WITHIN THE SYSTEM, BUT IT IS RARE, AND WE ARE NOT BEING ASKED, YOU KNOW, ICE IS NOT CALLING US TO COME AND DO OPERATIONS WITH THEM. 
          THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, WE LOOK AT THAT WEEKLY, AND THEN WE GIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, QUARTERLY IT'S GIVEN ON A, UM, PUBLIC INFORMATION HERE. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S, UM, ON THE BOARD HERE TO COUNCIL. 
          SO I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S ALL MORE ABOUT THE TRAINING OFFICERS GET, UM, IN-SERVICE TRAINING. 
          AND SO WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE IMMIGRATION, UM, WHAT THOSE RULES ARE AND HOW TO ACT WITHIN THEM. 
          BUT IT IS, IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT CHANGES. 
          AND SO TO CHANGE A POLICY WITHIN A FEW MONTHS FOR OFFICERS, IT DOES GET, YOU KNOW, IT CAN GET CONVOLUTED. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THOSE SUPERVISORS WHO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT, TO TALK TO THE OFFICERS AND THOSE FRONTLINE SUPERVISORS WHO ARE GIVING THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. 
          I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CASE THAT THE FELLOW COMMISSIONER WAS SAYING, UM, IT DID APPEAR THAT OFFICERS IN THE FIELD WERE, AND I GET IT, LIKE, IT, IT'S BEEN CHANGING QUITE A BIT, AND SOMETIMES THESE, THESE GENERAL ORDERS CAN GET A LITTLE COMPLICATED, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          I IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE FOR OTHERS, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I, I, I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST LIKE WHEN I SEE MULTIPLE OFFICERS IN THE SAME INCIDENT ALL DOING THE SAME THING, AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THEY MAY BE VIOLATING GENERAL ORDERS. 
          LIKE I, MAYBE THERE'S COMMUNICATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, BUT, UM, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I JUST, YOU'D HAVE TO GIMME SOME CONTEXT BEHIND THAT. 
          WELL, UH, I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THERE, MULTIPLE OFFICERS THAT ARE ALL DOING THE SAME THING, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING WHERE GENERAL ORDERS ARE BEING MADE CLEAR TO THEM. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S, OH, I THINK, I THINK I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO I THINK MY POINT IS THAT IT'S SO RARE THAT IT HAPPENS, THAT THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND CERTAINLY, UM, THE FACT THAT THE, THE ADDING 700,000 OF THESE ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS THERE, AND AGAIN, UH, KAREN AND, AND GENESIS, THAT WAS A CATALYST OF THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN HERE, HERE IT IS. 
          AND THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED BEFORE, AND NOW WE HAVE TO PUT THIS, THESE GENERAL ORDERS IN. 
          AND SO FROM FEBRUARY TO, I BELIEVE THAT WAS, UH, WHAT JUNE OR JULY THAT, THAT HAPPENED. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, IT IS TO, TO REMEMBER HOW RARE THE OCCASION IS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          NO, I DEFINITELY AGREE. 
          I JUST, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT WAS JUST A MOMENT IN TIME WHERE WE SAW SOMETHING HAPPEN THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN VERY OFTEN. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          I AGREE. 
          AND, UM, IT JUST, IT, IT MADE ME WONDER LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHY DID THESE OFFICERS NOT KNOW THAT THIS MAY NOT HAVE BEEN GENERAL ORDERS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, WHAT IS APDS POLICY TO, 
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UH, RESPONDING TO REQUESTS FOR ASSISTANCE FROM ICE? SO WE HAVE TO CALL, THAT'S THE LAW. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE'VE SEEN IS IF ICE IS SAYING, UM, THEY WANT TO RESPOND, IF IT'S NOT WITHIN, PARTICULARLY WITH PROTESTS AND AND SUCH WITH PROTESTS. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PROTESTS HERE MM-HMM . 
          AGAINST ICE, AND, UH, A PD HAS TAKEN THE SIDE OF ICE. 
          I DON'T, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THAT THERE ARE ARRESTING PROTESTERS? WE'RE NOT ARRESTING PROTESTERS. 
          I NEED TO, THAT'S NOT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC PERSON OR, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC PERSONS, BUT I MEAN, THIS IS, UM, UM, ANYHOW, YOU KNOW, I, IT IT'S BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, A PD HAS COME DOWN HARD ON PROTESTERS. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          THAT IS NOT TRUE. 
          WE'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH PROTESTERS. 
          THERE WAS ONE ON THE HEAD WITH A RUBBER BULLET ABOUT A YEAR AGO, SHOT IN THE HEAD WITH A RUBBER BULLET PROTESTOR. 
          YES. 
          DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, GAIL? I DO NOT. 
          I'M, I'M NOT CLEAR ON WHAT IS BEING REFERENCED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL GET MORE SPECIFIC YES, PLEASE. 
          ON THIS. 
          AND THEN, UM, I WILL, NEXT TIME YOU'RE HERE, I'LL ASK YOU ABOUT IT. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S AN, THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT. 
          AND I THINK AS, AS WE START WORKING MORE TOGETHER, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GENERALITIES, UM, TO SAY SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING VERY FACTUAL BEFORE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS BEING SAID. 
          BUT WHAT IS YOUR POLICY WITH REGARDS TO IF ICE IS REQUESTING SUPPORT IN A PROTEST SITUATION, WHAT IS AD'S POLICY ON THAT? WELL, THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, THE PROTEST, ARE YOU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU SAYING IF ICE DECIDES TO COME IN MASS TO A PROTEST THAT'S, THAT'S TAKING PLACE? NO. 
          IF THERE, IF THERE'S A PROTEST THAT IS TAKING PLACE, AND JUST AS, AS ANY ORGANIZATION MIGHT REACH OUT TO THE POLICE TO SAY, WE'RE HAVING A DISTURBANCE, DOES A PD HAVE A SPECIFIC POLICY ON THAT? WELL, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU IF I, IF WE WERE HAVING A PROTEST AND WE'RE FACILITATING A PROTEST, WE HAVE A DIALOGUE TEAM THAT WORKS WITH PROTESTERS BEFORE A PROTEST EVEN BEGINS TO ENSURE, TO FACILITATE IF THEY WANTED TO MARCH. 
          WHERE ARE YOU PLANNING ON GOING? LET'S, LET'S CLOSE DOWN STREETS. 
          THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST TWO YEARS, AND THE PROTESTS THAT WE HAVE HAD, HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL FROM THE NO KINGS PROTEST TO ICE PROTESTS TO PALESTINE, WHATEVER THE PROTEST IS, WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          AGAIN, PEOPLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TO, TO PROTEST HERE, AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT THAT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU'RE DAMAGING PROPERTY, THROWING THINGS, THAT'S WHEN POLICE HAVE TO INTER INTERVENE. 
          AND BELIEVE ME, WITH THE DIALOGUE POLICING TEAM THAT WE HAVE HERE, WE'VE MADE THOSE INTERACTIONS AND THOSE RELATIONSHIPS WITH, WITH, UM, ORGANIZERS. 
          THEY'RE CALLING US TO SAY, THIS PERSON'S IN, IN THIS GROUP, THEY DON'T BELONG WITH US, AND THEY'RE STARTING TROUBLE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE, HOW FAR WE'VE GOTTEN WITH THESE GROUPS, IS WHERE THEY'RE ABLE TO, THEY WANT TO PEACEFULLY PROTEST. 
          THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE HAVE TO COME AND INTERVENE WHEN PEOPLE ARE THROWING THINGS OR DAMAGING PROPERTY. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT, UM, CERTAINLY THROUGH THOSE. 
          BUT, UM, ICE COMING TO A, A PROTEST, I'M JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT I'M SEEING. 
          UM, IF ICE WERE TO GO IN AND START MAKING ARRESTS AT A PRO, AT A MASS, YOU KNOW, AT A PROTEST, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD CERTAINLY NOT CATCH ME. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED BY THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE POLICE WERE FACILITATING THESE, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALWAYS HERE AND, UM, WHEN THESE PROTESTS ARE TAKING PLACE. 
          SO I DON'T SEE THAT BEING, UM, AN ISSUE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICERS I'VE SEEN AT THE PROTESTS HAVE BEEN VERY RESTRAINED. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE DEFINITELY, UH, NOT, NOT ALWAYS, BUT ALMOST ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, OBVIOUSLY IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE, BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE TRAINING THAT THEY GET IS PRETTY GOOD. 
          UM, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE, UM, YOU KNOW, AN OVERVIEW OF HOW MANY HOURS A PD GETS IN TRAINING VERSUS OTHER AGENCIES IN TEXAS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE A PD IS NO SLOUCH, AND IT COMES TO TRAINING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT MAY NOT BE THINGS WE CAN IMPROVE UPON, BUT, UH, NO, THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. 
          BUT OUR SRT OUR, OUR, OUR, UM, OUR RESPONSE TEAMS TO, UM, LARGER PROTESTS, THEY DO A FANTASTIC JOB. 
          AND AS AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH WHAT NO KINGS, WE HAD OVER 20,000, I MEAN, 30,000 PEOPLE HERE THAT WE MARCHED FROM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE FACILITATED NOT ONE ARREST. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD A REALLY GOOD RECORD. 
          UM, AND, AND TO SPEAK TO WHAT OCCURRED HERE BEFORE I GOT HERE, I CAN'T SPEAK TO, BUT CERTAINLY THE WAY THAT 
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WE'RE LOOKING AND THE WAY WE'RE MEASURING SUCCESS IN THESE, I THINK WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND CHIEF DAVIS, I JUST WANNA THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AND ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK YOU'RE DOING A REALLY GREAT JOB, UM, ANSWERING THEM. 
          AND I JUST HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS KIND OF A BROAD LEAD WAY, AND THERE'S POSSIBLY MORE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO ASSIST YOU MM-HMM . 
          AND SO IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT YOU THINK THAT WE COULD BE DOING THAT MIGHT ASSIST YOU GUYS FURTHER? UM, ALSO AS FAR AS LIKE TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY HOW TO SUPPORT YOU? YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I REALLY DO. 
          AND I THINK THAT COULD GO A LONG WAY AS WE'RE STARTING THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, THE DISCIPLINE, HOW CAN WE EXPAND THAT INTO, TO THOSE FAR REACHING? I, I, I DON'T THINK THIS BOARD IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UM, THE DISCIPLINE. 
          IT IS TRULY ABOUT MAYBE HOW WE REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, HOW DO WE, UM, MAKE THE COMMUNITY AWARE OF THE, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE, ARE BEING MADE. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, THROUGH THAT, THAT LENS OF TRANSPARENCY. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M OPEN TO THAT. 
          I SENT YOU A NEWS ARTICLE OKAY. 
          ABOUT THAT PERSON WHO WAS HIT WITH A RUBBER BULLET. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HAPPENED BACK IN 2020. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IT WAS PROBABLY BEFORE YOUR TIME. 
          UH, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC PLEASE? UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE, UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO SEND IT THROUGH MY CITY EMAIL, SO I, SO IT WAS SENT THROUGH MY PERSONAL EMAIL. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU WOULD LOOK AT THAT MM-HMM . 
          AND READ THROUGH. 
          THAT HAPPENED BACK IN 2020, UH, I'M AWARE, THE 2020. 
          UM, AND, AND I KNOW SOME OF THOSE CHARGES ARE STILL PENDING, UM, WITH THE DA'S OFFICE MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I'M SURE IT'S, IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE CASES. 
          SOME OF THEM I DO BELIEVE ARE IN THE COURTS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          UM, IT'S, UM, CONCERNING THE, THE GENERAL ORDER. 
          AND SINCE PART OF OUR OBLIGATION, OUR ROLE IS TO REVIEW, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO, THE DISCIPLINE, THE COMMISSION TO DO IS AFTER WE READ THE CASE, IS TO LOOK AT THE ALLEGED POLICY VIOLATION MM-HMM . 
          AND TRY TO MAKE A DECI ASK OURSELF, IS THAT THE RIGHT VIOLATION? OR THERE OTHERS, BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THE POSSIBILITY OF THE, AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS FALLS INTO TRUST, BUT VERIFY, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE MAY BE, UM, SELECTING VIOLATIONS THAT ARE MORE DEFENDABLE OR SOME THAT MAY BE OF LESSER CONSEQUENCE. 
          SO FOR YOU TO KNOW, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THOSE AND SAYING, FOR DO I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER CODE THAT'S MORE SERIOUS THAT CAN BE VIOLATED? AND WE ARE HOPING BOTH A PO AND, AND A PD, UH, PASS THAT BY YOU. 
          SO BE AWARE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT EVEN THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE ON WHAT AND HOW TO ACCUSE WHAT ACCUSATIONS TO MAKE WE'RE, UM, TRYING TO BE THAT'S FINE. 
          WE WELCOME OVERVIEW. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION TO CLARIFY. 
          WHEN WITH THESE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANTS FOR, UM, UNDOCUMENTED, THUS, COULD YOU SPEAK ON WHAT AUTHORITY THAT GRANTS A PD AND IF THAT GRANTS THE AUTHORITY TO DETAIN THIS INDIVIDUAL, IF YOU KNOW THE THREE OUTTA SEVEN CASES THAT, THAT IMMIGRATION WAS CALLED, HOW DOES THAT WORK ON YOUR END? IF YOU COULD HELP UNDERSTAND? SO THE PERSON HAS TO BE DETAINED, AND SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WITNESSES, AND WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT CALLED THE POLICE. 
          THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE DETAINED. 
          AND, AND SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IT IS MOSTLY WHEN YOU'RE IN THE, IN THAT WHOLE GRAPH, IT IS USUALLY THAT THERE'S ALREADY A WARRANT, UM, FOR ANOTHER, UM, YOU KNOW, CRIME AND THE PERSON'S GOING TO JAIL. 
          AND SO IMMIGRATION WOULD PROBABLY BE AT THAT POINT CALLED, UM, FROM THAT. 
          BUT, UM, THAT, WHAT, WHAT WAS THE SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION? I'M SORRY. 
          IF THIS ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, UM, GRANTS YOU THE AUTHORITY OF IPD TO DETAIN, BUT I THINK YOU CLARIFIED THAT IT HAS TO HAVE ANOTHER CASE ATTACHED TO IT, RIGHT? AND SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, UM, THERE'S A CALL FOR SERVICE FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, BURGLARY INSIDE WHAT, WHATEVER WE'RE STOPPING AND WE'RE DETAINING THAT PERSON, THAT HER PERSON IS NOT FREE TO GO, AND THEN THAT PERSON HAS A, AN ADMINISTRATIVE WARRANT, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD BE CALLING. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'VE SAID TOO IS ALSO WITH THE FLEX, GIVEN THE FLEXIBILITY THAT, AND WE, WE'VE KEPT THIS IN THAT THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHEN OFFICERS DO NOT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CAPACITY TO STAY, UM, IF ICE DETERMINES, THEY DO WANT TO SHOW UP. 
          AND SO WE HAVE SAID, LOOK, WE WILL LEAVE. 
          AND WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT SEVERAL HOURS WHEN THAT OFFICER CAN, THAT OFFICER WILL CALL THE NUMBER FROM ICE AND SAY, I STOPPED THIS PERSON AT FIRST IN CONGRESS. 
          UM, THEY ARE, I AM NO LONGER THERE. 
          THEY ARE NO LONGER THERE. 
          JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. 
          AND SO THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM, UM, UH, THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE WAS MORE OF IN A, IN A, A SITUATION LIKE THAT, IT WAS ABOUT MORE ABOUT, UH, IDENTIFYING PEOPLE THAT MAYBE HAVE COME FROM WISCONSIN AND NOW THEY'RE IN, IN AUSTIN. 
          AND SO IT'S NOT SO MUCH AS THEM COMING TO PICK THAT PERSON UP, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE THAT INTEL THAT THAT PERSON HAS MOVED FROM ONE PLACE TO ONE PLACE. 
          SO THAT I, I THINK, UH, ALLOWING US TO KEEP THAT FLEXIBILITY MATTERS, UM, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED AS EVERYONE KNOWS. 
          AND SO, UM, TO NOT, TO NOT HAVE THAT, UM, WHERE WE HAVE TO STAY AND WAIT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HOUSTON AND 
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DALLAS, CERTAINLY, UM, I THINK US HAVING THAT WAS A WIN. 
          AND, UM, IT AGAIN ALLOWS US THE FLEXIBILITY WHILE STILL STAYING WITHIN THAT SENATE BILL, UM, FOUR AND MAKING THAT CALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I CAN TELL THAT, UM, UM, OFFICERS, UH, DON'T LIKE TO SIT AROUND AND WAIT FOR 40 MINUTES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          THEY DON'T, I, OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND HONESTLY, I TRULY, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL AND, AND, AND CERTAINLY WITH GAIL. 
          GAIL IS, UM, YOU KNOW, A FANTASTIC PERSON AND, AND I VALUE THE WORK THAT SHE DOES AND CERTAINLY ALL OF HER TEAM. 
          UM, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER AND, AND HOW WE CAN EVEN, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT, USE THIS GROUP TO, TO, TO THE BENEFIT OF THE DEPARTMENT AND CERTAINLY THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY. 
          SO THANK YOU MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, NEXT WE GO TO, UH, JUMP BACK TO ITEM NUMBER TWO AND THE AGENDA, WHICH IS, UH, STAFF BRIEFING. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          UM, IN TERMS OF POLICE TECHNOLOGY UNIT UPDATES, THERE ARE NO UPDATES RELATED TO THAT. 
          JUST WANNA POINT OUT SOME OF THE KEY HIGHLIGHTS FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE OVERSIGHT OFFICE. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ON MAY 6TH. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          NOW, THAT'S, YEAH. 
          YES. 
          FOR THE, FOR ITEM NUMBER TWO, THERE'S NO UPDATES FOR ITEM NUMBER THREE. 
          [3.  Staff briefing regarding updates related to Austin Police Oversight, including an overview and  key highlights; administrative and operational updates; commission support and follow-up;  community engagement; policy highlights; and upcoming items and priorities from Director  Gail McCant.]
WE'LL PROCEED. 
          THANKS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT THAT ON MAY 6TH, WE HAVE A COMPLAINT SPECIALIST, JACK, JACK, JACQUELINE ALONZO, WHO COMPLETED THE, AND GRADUATED FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S LEAP ACADEMY. 
          THIS IS THE LEADERSHIP, EDUCATION AND PUBLIC SERVICE, UM, GROUP. 
          UM, IT'S IN ITS 35TH YEAR, AND IT'S CALLED LEAPS. 
          UH, IT'S THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S PREMIER LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM FOR EMERGING LEAD LEADERS. 
          SO THIS WAS AN EIGHT MONTH COHORT, SO JUST WANTED TO CONGRATULATE JACKIE AND PROVIDE FOR YOU INFORMATION REGARDING, UH, OTHER TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES THAT OUR STAFF ARE ENGAGED IN. 
          SO, WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          UH, WE CONTINUE TO, UH, MEET IN TERMS OF THE 2027 BUDGET, HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ME, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IN THE EVENT THAT THERE ARE ANY CHANGES THAT WILL IMPACT OUR OFFICE OR THIS COMMISSION. 
          WE'LL BE SURE TO UPDATE YOU ON THAT. 
          A PO AND A PD, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DIVISION. 
          OF COURSE, WE HAD OUR MONTHLY LEADERSHIP MEETING JUST DISCUSSING, UM, POLICY, PROCESS AND OPERATIONAL TOPICS. 
          NOTHING SIGNIFICANT COMING OUT OF THAT MEETING. 
          UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A PO TO REACH OUT TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS REGARDING, UM, THEIR CASE REVIEW PROCESSES. 
          AND SO WE HAVE DONE THAT. 
          WE DID HEAR FROM ONE, UM, COMMISSION THAT IDENTIFIED THAT THEIR PROCESS, THEIR COMMISSION PROCESS IS A BIT DIFFERENT. 
          THEY, THEIR COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO, UH, LOOK AT CASES TO, TO DO CASE REVIEW. 
          AND SO WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR FROM TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMISSIONS. 
          AND AS WE GET THAT INFORMATION, UH, WE WILL CONNECT YOU WITH THOSE COMMISSIONERS. 
          BUT CURRENTLY, THE ONE COMMISSION THAT WE SPOKE WITH, UH, STATED THAT IT'S COMMISSIONER'S AUTHORITY DOES NOT INCLUDE CASE REVIEW. 
          WHAT COMMISSION IS THAT, UH, FORT WORTH. 
          SO WE WANTED TO START JUST WITH OUR JURISDICTION HERE IN TA IN IN TEXAS. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OFFICES OVERSIGHT FACILITIES DID MENTION THAT SAN DIEGO, UH, COMMISSION HAS THAT AUTHORITY. 
          AND SO WE WILL REACH OUT TO THAT OFFICE, BUT WANTED TO JUST START WITH, UH, WITH THE TEXAS OFFICES FIRST. 
          SO WE ARE, LOOK, WE ARE, UH, MAKING REQUESTS TO DALLAS FORT WORTH, UM, HOUSTON, THOSE ARE THE THREE OFFICES THAT WE REACHED OUT TO UPCOMING ACTIVITIES. 
          UH, ON JUNE 6TH, WE WILL HOLD OUR QUARTERLY GROUP WORKING GROUP MEETING AND PROVIDE COMMUNITY PRESENTATION OF OUR OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING DASHBOARD. 
          AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT, UH, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT DASHBOARD FOR THIS COMMISSION, PROBABLY IN YOUR JUNE MEETING. 
          IF, IF, UM, WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE, THE COMPLAINTS TEAM WILL ATTEND TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, UH, LATER THIS, UH, MONTH IN MAY. 
          IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATIVE AND OPERATIONAL UPDATES, UH, WE WANNA JUST REMIND COMMISSIONERS THAT THE CYBER SECURITY AWARENESS TRAINING IS TO BE COMPLETE BY MAY 31ST. 
          REMIND YOU IF YOU NEED ASSISTANCE WITH THAT, PLEASE REACH OUT TO, 
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TO RYAN. 
          UM, ALL THE NEW COMMISSIONERS HAVE COM, UH, COMPLETED THEIR TRAINING WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT ON MAY 11. 
          THANK YOU FOR THOSE NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT ATTENDED THAT TRAINING. 
          WE ARE SCHEDULING, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER TRAININGS FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO THE NACO TRAINING, UH, WILL BE SCHEDULING THAT IN THE COMING MONTH, AS WELL AS THE A PO OVERVIEW AND LEGAL TRAINING FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. 
          STAFF COMPLETED INTERVIEWS FOR OUR TWO VACANT POSITIONS. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD TWO VACANT POSITIONS. 
          WE EXTENDED JOB OFFERS FOR THE ROLE OF THE POLICY ANALYST AND THE COMPLAINT DIVISION SUPERVISOR, UH, BRENNAN DURAN, WHO HAS BEEN ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS AND SERVING AS THE INTERIM COMPLAINT SUPERVISOR, WAS SELECTED AS THE COMPLAINT PERMANENT COMPLAINT SUPERVISOR. 
          UH, BRENNAN WILL ASSUME THIS ROLE ON MAY 17TH, AND THEN ON MAY 31ST, SARAH RODRIGUEZ, WE'LL START HER ROLE AS POLICY ANALYST. 
          SO I WANNA JUST CONGRATULATE BOTH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS ON THEIR SELECTIONS. 
          UH, A PO REQUESTED IAD DOWNLOAD THREE CASES TO THE SHARED, UH, DIGITAL CASE FILE FOLDER. 
          UH, ONE DOWNLOAD WAS COMPLETED IN 11 WORKING DAYS, AND SIX DOWNLOADS WERE COMPLETED IN 13 WORKING DAYS. 
          THE CASE HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CPRC DESIGNATED REVIEW GROUPS. 
          AS A REMINDER TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS, A PO HAS STARTED THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS FOR ALTERNATE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. 
          WE DID HAVE TAKE SOME THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TODAY IF COMMUNITY MEMBERS WANTED TO MEET WITH COMMISSIONERS TO DO THAT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING WILL ALSO BE AVAILABLE AFTER THIS MEETING. 
          THE TIMELINE FOR MOVING FORWARD, UH, IN TERMS OF THE RECRUITMENT PROCESS IS MAY 22ND IS THE DEADLINE BY MIDNIGHT. 
          APPLICATIONS WILL CLOSE, UH, JUNE. 
          THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE WILL QUALIFY THOSE APPLICATIONS JUNE OR JULY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC DATE, BUT WE'LL MAKE THE, THE SELECTION. 
          AND THEN IN AUGUST, WE'LL START THE TRAINING FOR ALL THE NEW ALTERNATE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE SELECTED. 
          UM, DO YOU, HOW MANY APPLICANTS DO WE HAVE IN THE POOL NOW? DO YOU KNOW? 11. 
          11, UH, 11 APPLICANTS CURRENTLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT NUMBER WILL INCREASE BY MAY 22ND. 
          LAST MEETING I MENTIONED THAT, UM, THERE WERE SOME ISSUES AS, YOU KNOW, IN MARCH, THE CITY TRANSITION TO A NEW WEBSITE PLATFORM. 
          AND THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH, UM, BROKEN LINKS FOR THE CPRC WEBSITE. 
          JUST WANT TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE RESOLVED, UH, ALL THOSE ISSUES. 
          BUT IF INDIVIDUALS ARE HAVING ANY ISSUES, PLEASE REACH OUT TO US. 
          SO WE HAVE RESOLVED THAT ISSUE AND THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE REMAIN THERE, THERE ARE NO BROKEN LINKS REMAINING IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          AGAIN, JUST AS A REMINDER OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE BASED ON A CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC INFORMATION AND MARKETING MANAGER, SARAH, THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, COMMISSIONERS TO ENGAGE LONG TERM. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUSINESS CARD, STILL OPPORTUNITY TO GET BUSINESS CARD ALSO PARTICIPATING IN THE IAP TWO TRAINING. 
          WE HAVE HAD SOME COMMISSIONERS REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE TO SCHEDULE THOSE TRAININGS. 
          WE ARE STILL AVAILABLE TO SCHEDULE THOSE TRAININGS IF COMMISSIONERS ARE INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          WHAT TRAINING IAP? YES. 
          I THINK YOU ACTUALLY REACHED OUT IN TERMS OF THAT. 
          YES. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS IAPT TWO? AND SO, UM, THE IAP TRAINING, IT'S A, UM, WIDELY RECOGNIZED TRAINING AND IT'S CONSIDERED THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARD FOR PUBLIC SECTOR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES. 
          AND SO IT'S THIS TRAINING THAT WE WANTED TO PROVIDE COMMISSIONERS AS YOU START TO DO YOUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WORK. 
          AND SO THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE. 
          YOU WOULD REACH OUT TO SARAH PERALTA TO HELP SCHEDULE THIS, UH, TRAINING IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN OFFERS THIS TRAINING IN-HOUSE. 
          AND SO, UH, SARAH CAN HELP YOU COORDINATE A SESSION, UH, AT, AT A TIME THAT'S CONVENIENT FOR YOU. 
          I WILL SAY, UM, JUST IN, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR, UM, BENEFIT, IT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE MORE COMMISSIONERS TAKE THAT TRAINING, THE BETTER. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST THAT MIGHT ENTAIL, BUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE ABILITY, YOU KNOW, THE SKILLS NEEDED TO GET INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY AGREE . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S AN IN-HOUSE TRAINING OFFERED BY THE CITY. 
          UH, IT'S AT A REDUCED COST. 
          UH, IT WOULD BE AT A REDUCED COST FOR YOU. 
          UM, WE WOULD LOOK AT YOUR BUDGET AND, UM, PROVIDE THE, THE FEES RELATED TO THAT. 
          I THINK WE'VE HAD TWO COMMISSIONERS. 
          SARAH? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
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HI COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M SARAH PERALTA, PUBLIC INFORMATION MARKETING PROGRAM MANAGER. 
          UM, YES, SO IT IS AN EXCELLENT TRAINING. 
          UM, IT IS THE TRAINING. 
          I SEND ACTUALLY OUR COMMUNICATION STAFF AND COMMUNICATIONS STAFF THROUGHOUT THE CITY ATTEND. 
          UM, IT'S SO GREAT THAT THE CITY IS ACTUALLY, HAS AN IN-HOUSE TRAINER FOR THIS. 
          UH, HE WORKS IN PARKS. 
          HE'S BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR MANY YEARS. 
          HE'S AN EXCELLENT TRAINER AND RESOURCE. 
          UM, I ACTUALLY WOULD LOVE IT. 
          RIGHT? SO, SO THE WAY IT'S OFFERED TO THE CITY IS PEOPLE CAN SIGN UP FOR THE CLASS. 
          UM, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER PENA HAS REACHED OUT AND IS INTERESTED IN WHEN THE OFFERINGS THAT THEY OFFER THIS KIND OF FOR CITY WORKERS TO, UM, ENROLL IN. 
          BUT I SPOKE TO THE TRAINER. 
          HE SAID HE WOULD HOST A TRAINING FOR Y'ALL AT YORK CONVENIENCE, AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE, UM, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A PRETTY GOOD RATE THAT WE COULD GET. 
          SO IF WE COULD AGREE ON A DAY TO SCHEDULE THAT, IT IS AN ALL DAY TRAINING. 
          IT IS DURING THE DAY, SO YOU WOULD, IF YOU'RE WORKING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A DAY OFF. 
          IT WOULD BE DURING THE WEEK. 
          BUT IT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE COMMUNITY DOES, UH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS DONE AT THE CITY. 
          UM, DIFFERENT TACTICS, DIFFERENT STRATEGIES OF HOW TO BUILD THOSE MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIPS TO THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY, REALLY EXCELLENT TRAINING. 
          UM, IT IS A PART OF A CERTIFICATION. 
          THE CERTIFICATION IS THREE COURSES LONG, SO IT IS MORE THAN JUST THIS ONE PARTICULAR CLASS, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT WAY FOR Y'ALL TO GET STARTED TO UNDERSTAND IT, LIKE HOW WE APPROACH OUR WORK. 
          SO, UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING Y'ALL ARE INTERESTED IN, WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK THROUGH SCHEDULING, UH, WITH HIM, WITH Y'ALL TO FIND A DATE TO AGREE ON TO GET THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE AN ALL DAY OBLIGATION. 
          UM, YOU, YOU CAN'T, UH, KIND OF JUMP IN AND OUT, JUMP IN AND OUT. 
          BUT, UM, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK, I THINK THAT'D BE AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY FOR Y'ALL TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY, BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. 
          PERFECT. 
          SO I CAN HAVE, WE'LL HAVE RYAN REACH OUT AND IDENTIFY SOME DATES THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS MAY BE AVAILABLE TO TAKE THAT TRAINING. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH, AND I THINK THE CURRENT OFFERINGS THAT HE HAS ARE STARTING THIS SUMMER. 
          UM, AND I, I SENT THOSE OVER TO COMMISSIONER PENA. 
          THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT ABOUT THOSE. 
          SO THANK YOU, SARAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE IEPT TRAINING? ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS THAT OUR TEAM IS DOING. 
          MAY 4TH, WE DID A PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION, MAY 6TH, HUMAN RIGHTS IMPACT REVIEW AND REPORT MAY 6TH. 
          ALSO, WE DID A PRESENTATION FOR THE COMMUNITY FOCUS GROUP FOLLOW UP. 
          WE, THERE IS A POPUP RESOURCE CLINIC ON MAY 20TH, STILL FINALIZING DATES FOR SEVERAL OTHER ENGAGEMENTS WITH THE NORTH AUSTIN, UM, MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTER, INTEGRAL CARE BLACK MEN'S HEALTH CLINIC, AS WELL AS CENTER FOR CHILD PROTECTION. 
          AND MORE RECENTLY THIS WEEK WE, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          AND WE'LL PRE DO A PRESENTATION ON THE 2024, UH, ANNUAL REPORT, AS WELL AS A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OF THE 2025 ANNUAL REPORT. 
          SO I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER THAT WE WILL LAUNCH THE OFFICE INVOLVED SHOOTING DASHBOARD, UM, EARLY NEXT WEEK, HOPING TO GET ON THE AGENDA FOR JUNE SO WE CAN PROVIDE A DEMONSTRATION FOR THE CPRC. 
          UM, AND SO THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT TOOL. 
          BUT IT WILL LAUNCH NEXT WEEK, UH, EARLY NEXT WEEK. 
          AND SO, UH, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT. 
          UH, AS I NOTED EARLIER, UM, BRENNAN WAS, UH, SELECTED AS THE COMPLAINT SUPERVISOR AND SO WE ARE BACK FILLING BRENNAN'S POSITION. 
          SO HE WILL START THE RECRUITING FOR THE NEW VACANT COMPLAINT INVESTIGATOR POSITION, UH, IN THE COMING WEEKS. 
          SO WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED AS WE START TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE AGENDA ITEMS, THE PROPOSED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, FOR DISCUSSION. 
          I CAN, UM, PROVIDE THOSE FOR YOU IF YOU'D LIKE. 
          UH, WE HAVE SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS HERE THAT HAVE, UH, PROPOSED AGENDA ITEMS. COMMISSIONER GREAVES, THE CPRC, YEAR ONE SUMMARY OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS REVIEW AND EDITS OF THE CPRC INTERNAL OPERATING PROCEDURES. 
          DRAFT RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO ACCESS TO CASE FILES UNDER CITY CODE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD FOR THE COMMISSION BYLAW DISCUSSION. 
          PRESENT DRAFT RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR REVIEW BY THE FULL COMMISSION CONSIDERATION OF HANDLING, HANDLING CONFIDENTIAL VERSUS PUBLIC INFORMATION. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER EUGENE SPONSORED EDUCATION ON A PD DISCIPLINE MATRIX AND POLICY RULES AND PROCEDURES ON CASE REVIEW. 
          CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION, RULES 
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AND GUIDELINES, A PD POLICY ON OIS CASES AND A PD AND OPO FLOW CHART OF CASE REVIEW PROCESSES AND REPORTING MECHANISMS. COMMISSIONER FLOOD SPONSORED RECOMMENDATIONS TO A PD TO DEVELOP A DASHBOARD ON ICE INTERACTIONS. 
          CODIFY A PROCESS FOR TO INTERACT WITH A PD AND COMMUNITY INTERESTS, A PD INTERACTIONS WITH ICE ON PUBLIC DASHBOARDS. 
          AND A BRIEFING ON JACQUELINE HARRIS AND THERESA HAYES. 
          I THINK WE PROVIDED INFORMATION, UH, AT A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO REGARDING THAT. 
          THERE WAS, THESE CASES WERE STILL ACTIVE AND THERE WERE SOME LITIGATIONS, UH, RELATED TO THAT. 
          AND THEN COMMISSIONER PENA DRAFT A RESOLUTION TO COUNSEL FOR AN OPEN FEEDBACK WHITEBOARD PROPOSED AS AN ACTION ITEM AND IN DISCUSSION ON 3 1 1 AND I REPORT.COM HOW TO MAKE THE WEBSITE EASIER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR TRAINING. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THESE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY'RE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED THEIR CYBER TRAINING AND ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU COMPLETE THOSE TRAININGS. 
          IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT YOU COULD LOSE ACCESS TO, UM, TO, TO YOUR EMAIL, TO ANY, UM, UH, SYSTEMS RELATED TO THE CITY. 
          AND SO IT'S GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT. 
          WE USE EMAILS WITH COMMISSIONERS TO COMMUNICATE, COMMUNICATE. 
          AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU COMPLETE THAT TRAINING. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF NOT COMPLETING THAT TRAINING. 
          YOU DEFINITELY COULD LOSE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE PROVIDED FOR YOU LOSE ACCESS TO YOUR ABILITY TO DO CASE REVIEWS. 
          AND SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          AND SO WE ARE ASKING MAY 31ST IS THE DEADLINE THAT YOU DEFINITELY COMPLETE THAT CYBERSECURITY TRAINING FOR US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT, UM, NEXT WE'LL 
          [5. Discussion of Commissioner Review Working Groups A, B, and C experiences reviewing case  files ]
GO TO, UH, ITEM DISCUSSION ITEM FIVE. 
          THIS IS JUST A GENERAL, UH, OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE, UH, WORKING GROUPS JUST TO GIVE ANY, JUST GENERAL FEEDBACK, UM, ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING, ET CETERA. 
          UH, WE WILL HAVE SOME SERIOUS DISCUSSION IN THE CASES LATER, BUT, UH, JUST LOOKING FOR, UH, JUST HOW THINGS ARE GOING. 
          WE'VE HAD SOME PUSHBACK ON PEOPLE SUGGESTING MAYBE WE, WE DO THINGS. 
          AND I GUESS MY MY GENERAL FEELING IS THAT WE'RE JUST STARTING TO MAKE PROGRESS IN THE WORKING GROUPS, AND I WANT TO HOPE CONTINUE, BUT I WANT TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS TO, TO SEND SOME FEEDBACK ON HOW IT, HOW IT'S GOING SO FAR. 
          AND IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR, UM, UH, BEST PRACTICES THAT WE CAN SHARE AMONG, AMONG EACH OTHER. 
          I THINK, UH, GROUP B WOULD LIKE TO BE GRANDFATHERED INTO OUR CURRENT PROCESS NO MATTER WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE. 
          , I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I CAN SPEAK FOR, FOR GROUP C. 
          UH, WE'VE, UM, NEWLY FORMED GROUP C UM, BEEN PLEASANTLY SURPRISED HOW THINGS HAVE WORKED OUT THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE TO, TO MEET AND DISCUSS, UH, OUR CASES. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO, TO SHARE WITH THE, THE BIGGER GROUP, UH, THINGS. 
          UM, ONE, ONE THING, AND YOU HEARD ME MENTION THAT TO THE POLICE CHIEF EARLIER, IS THAT I, I'VE TRIED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE AWARE THAT WE ARE PART OF OUR, UH, RESPONSIBILITIES ARE TO, TO DOUBLE CHECK AND SEE IF WE BELIEVE THE CHARGES ARE THE RIGHT ONES TOO. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE PERSONALLY TRIED TO GO THROUGH THAT GENERAL ORDER. 
          I DUNNO IF ANYBODY, ANY ONE OF YOU TRIED. 
          IT'S VERY, IT'S A LOT. 
          AND BEFORE I FINISH THE FIRST TIME, IT CHANGED AGAIN. 
          SO IT, THERE'S, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY DOES, CAN GUARANTEE EXPLAIN THAT WHOLE DAY AND NOT VIOLATING ONE OF THOSE. 
          YEAH, THAT'S THE FIRST. 
          I RESPECT THE POLICE FOR THAT. 
          WELL, THAT'S KINDA WHAT WAS MY CONCERN. 
          IT'S JUST 700 PAGES. 
          YEAH, WELL, THAT, THAT WAS A CONCERN I WAS TRYING TO ADDRESS AS LONG, BUT IT'S STILL OUR JOB TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE WE READ THE CASE, IS THIS THE APPROPRIATE CODE AND MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT IT'S, YEAH. 
          SO YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, I, I KNOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO KIND OF BE THE, UH, PEOPLE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND ALL THAT, BUT I, I FEEL BAD FOR THE OFFICERS SOMETIMES BECAUSE THE GENERAL ORDERS ARE YEAH, IT'S A BIT MUCH. 
          AND WHEN THEY CHANGE AND IT, IT, IT'S SUCH A SUBTLE CHANGE AND DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT WILL END UP IN THE MEDIA. 
          UH, YEAH, I FEEL BAD FOR 'EM SOMETIMES. 
          . 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK FOR, UM, WORKING GROUP A, UM, MR. PETERMAN, HE'S ON THERE. 
          UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, LAST WEEK TO MEET AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY DOWN HERE. 
          I THINK THINGS WENT REALLY EFFICIENTLY. 
          UM, WE SAT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. 
          BOTH OF US HAD ALREADY KIND OF LOOKED OVER THE CASE BEFOREHAND. 
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SO IT WAS REALLY NICE TO GET TOGETHER AND CONFER AND, AND WORK LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY VERY HELPFUL TO BE SIDE BY SIDE IN PERSON, AND IT WAS GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD ON? YEAH, YEAH. 
          I THINK, UM, WHAT I HEARD, UH, DURING OUR TRAINING ON MAY 11TH WAS THAT THEY'RE GONNA, UH, I GUESS RE-LOOK AT, AT A BETTER ORGANIZATION OF SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE TO REVIEW. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S GONNA HELP TREMENDOUSLY BECAUSE I KNOW, AND YOU PROBABLY ALL PROBABLY HAVE THE SAME THING. 
          YOU READ SOMETHING AND, AND THEN YOU READ THE NEXT ONE AND IT'S 99% THE SAME. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE THE FINAL. 
          UH, I THINK THEIR, THEIR COMMITMENT TO ORGANIZING, UH, IS GONNA HELP OUR REVIEW PROCESS SIGNIFICANTLY, IN MY OPINION ANYWAY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, NOT WORRY SO MUCH ABOUT DASH CAMS OF, YOU KNOW, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, JUST DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD FOR 15 MINUTES, UH, TO, TO A CERTAIN SITE RATHER THAN GET IN THE MEAT OF THE STUFF, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REVIEW. 
          SO I'M, I'M ENCOURAGED WITH THAT. 
          AND AGAIN, YEAH, IT WAS GREAT GETTING TOGETHER WITH LAUREN, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT MORE OFTEN AND, YOU KNOW, KNOCK THESE THINGS OUT BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVEN'T BEEN REAL PLEASED WITH MY OWN AND OUR TEAM'S, YOU KNOW, PERFORMANCE TO DATE. 
          SO, UH, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING MUCH BETTER IN THE FUTURE. 
          CAN ME OFFER SOME CONTENTS TO THIS? UM, IT TURNS OUT THAT ONE OF THE CONFLICTS THAT WERE, THAT OCCURS SINCE WE ARE BEING KNOW THIS, THESE, THESE CASES ARE BEING COPIED INTO THIS DIRECTORY, RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT, THERE'S ALWAYS THE BIGGER CONCERN ABOUT INDEPENDENCE AND WHETHER IT IS BEING CHOSEN, THE SELECTIVE THINGS ARE BEING CHOSEN TO SEE THAT VERSUS WHEN YOU GET TO SEE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, ONE OF THE REASONS WE ASK FOR EVERYTHING, BUT THE PRICE YOU PAY FOR THAT IS THAT . 
          UM, YOU GET EVERYTHING. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, I'VE COME, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT I, NO, UM, WE WERE ADVISED ORIGINALLY THAT MAYBE, UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT A POI MEAN THE AUSTIN POLICE OFFICER HAD, COULD DO TO MAYBE PRIORITIZE AND SHOW WHAT WE, WHAT THEY BELIEVE ARE THE TOP THINGS TO DO. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU LIVE BY, BY EXPERIENCE AND YOU START TO UNDERSTAND THE VALUE BEHIND THAT. 
          SO I, I'VE GRADUALLY COME TO AGREE AS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I'M GONNA SEE EVERYTHING, WHAT DOES IT HURT? IF IT'S FILTERED FIRST BY SOMEBODY WHO THOUGHT THAT THESE ARE THE FIVE THINGS I SHOULD SEE FIRST AND MAKE MY LIFE EASIER. 
          SO YEAH, IT'S, UM, YEAH, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT. 
          LIKE, YEAH, YEAH, SEEING EVERYTHING IS ITS OWN SET OF PROBLEMS, BUT I THINK IT'S A GOOD SET OF PROBLEMS TO HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT THEY'VE ADDED NAMES TO THE BODY-WORN CAMERA FILES. 
          THAT MAKES OUR JOB A LOT EASIER SORTING OUT WHO SAID WHAT, WHO WAS SEEING WHAT . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, SO NOW WE 
          [6. Summary, deliberation, and recommendation from the Commissioner Review Working  Groups on cases 2019-0792, 2025-2113, 2026-00114, 2026-00134, 2026-0053, and 2025 2678. The Community Police Review Commission will determine whether to endorse or not  endorse each working group’s recommendation.]
MOVE ON TO THE DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEM. 
          UH, THIS, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS NEW GROUNDS, UM, FOR SOME OF US, THE, UM, THE LAST MONTH, THE BOTH, ALL THREE WORKING GROUPS WERE ABLE TO, UH, REVIEW SOME OF THE CASES AND GET TOGETHER AND DO SOME DELIBERATIONS. 
          AND THE IDEA BEHIND THIS NEXT SECTION IS THAT WE'LL TRY TO SUMMARIZE THE CASE AND, AND GIVE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THEN WE GET AS A GROUP TO SUPPORT, NOT SUPPORT, VOTE ON SUPPORTING OR SUPPORTING THEIR RECOMMENDATION. 
          AND THERE'S A REMINDER THAT AFTER, UH, ASSUMING YOU KNOW, THE, YOU COME TO SOME CONSENSUS, IT'S STILL THE EXPECTATION THAT, THAT THE WORKING GROUP IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY DRAFTING THAT OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION AND HANDING IT TO THE CHIEF, UH, POLICE CHIEF. 
          UH, BEAR IN MIND THAT SOME OF THESE ARE MAYBE COME IN AFTER SHE HAS ALREADY DICTATED, BUT THE EXERCISE IS STILL GOOD BECAUSE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IT DOES, IT DOESN'T HURT FOR THEM, FOR THE CHIEF TO SEE HOW WE WOULD'VE, UM, CONCLUDED ON THOSE THINGS. 
          AND HOPEFULLY IT PREPARES THEM FOR THE, THE ISSUE THAT YOU HEARD WE'RE GONNA HAVE IS THE TIMING AND HOW WE WORK ABOUT US GETTING THE CASE IN TIME, REVIEWING IT IN TIME, SO THAT WE CAN BE EFFECTIVELY GIVE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE SHE HAS TO DO THE RULING. 
          SO WE WANT, I HAVE THESE LISTED, I DON'T KNOW, GROUP A, DO YOU WANT TO START? SO WHAT I'LL ASK IS MAKE SURE YOU JUST SAY THAT THE, THE CASE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, YEAR END CASE, SO THAT FOR FUTURE CONTENTS, EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT CASE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WORKING GROUP A WAS ABLE TO COMPLETE, UM, SEVERAL CASES. 
          WE'D ACTUALLY KIND OF BEEN WORKING ON 'EM FOR A WHILE. 
          AND SO IT WAS NICE TO FINALLY GET A CONSENSUS AND GET THAT IN. 
          UM, FOR THE FIRST 
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CASE, IT'S GONNA BE CASE NUMBER 20 19 0 7 9 2. 
          IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE, UM, THERE WAS A, BOTH OF THE, THE ISSUES WAS A FIREARMS DISCHARGE SITUATION FOR ONE POLICE OFFICER, AND THE SECOND WAS THE USE OF TASER. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE TWO POLICY, UM, ITEMS THAT WE WERE REVIEWING. 
          AND SO WE DID SPEND SIGNIFICANT TIME LOOKING OVER THE POLICE FOOTAGE, READING THE REPORTS, READING THE INVESTIGATION FROM BOTH IA AND, UH, OAPO. 
          AND SO, UM, AFTER LOOKING AT THAT, AND ALSO ANOTHER THING THAT I, I DO WANNA ADD INTO THERE, UM, I WAS ABLE TO TAKE A, UM, COMMUNITY POLICE ACADEMY WITH THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO IN THIS PARTICULAR RESPONSE TO SOMEONE, UM, THAT WAS HAVING A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, I WAS AWARE OF THE TRAINING THAT THE OFFICERS HAD HAD IN THAT SITUATION. 
          AND SO FROM THE THREE OF US ALSO AGREEING WITH THE REPORT FROM IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND A PO AND THAT TRAINING THAT I HAD, WE BELIEVED THAT THE POLICY WAS NOT VIOLATED. 
          UM, AND SO WE ALL THREE AGREED ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WAS THAT IN AGREEMENT WITH A PO AND, UH, AND A PD? I THINK ON THAT ONE, THEY STILL HAVEN'T. 
          UM, FOR THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A, OKAY, SO, UM, OH, IT IS CLOSED. 
          IT'S ALREADY CLOSED. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CLOSED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S CONCURRENT WHAT YOU JUST, PERFECT. 
          SO I GUESS, UM, MAYBE THE WAY TO DO IT'S, I'D LIKE TO, A MOTION FOR US TO, UH, AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF VOTE. 
          WHO AGREES WITH THE WORKING GROUP A'S RECOMMENDATION FOR CASE 2 0 20 19 0 7 9 2? RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          PERFECT. 
          YOU WANNA DO, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE TOO? WE HAVE THREE. 
          UM, UM, I GUESS I'LL DO THIS ONE AND THEN HE CAN DO THE LAST ONE. 
          YEAH, I'M IZE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          . 
          UM, AND THEN THE NEXT CASE THAT WE WORKED ON WAS CASE NUMBER 2025 2,113. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT REALLY SURROUNDED AN OFFICER THAT WAS HAVING A PERSONAL ISSUE IN HIS OWN HOME LIFE, AND THERE WAS A COMPLAINT MADE FROM SOMEONE THAT WAS CLOSE TO HIM. 
          UM, AND, AND SO WHAT ENDED UP BEING THE ALLEGED POLICY, UH, VIOLATIONS WAS THE SUBMITTED STORAGE OF EVIDENCE PROHIBITED USES OF DEPARTMENT TECHNOLOGY, AND THE RESPONSIBILITY TO KNOW AND COMPLY WITH TEXAS PENAL CODE SECTION 22.04. 
          AND THE GENERAL POLICY, UM, FOR THE FIRST ONE WITH THE SUBMITTING STORAGE OF EVIDENCE, THAT WAS AN ALLEGATION THAT HAPPENED QUITE SOME TIME AGO, AND IT WAS INCONCLUSIVE. 
          THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, SAID THAT IT WAS INCONCLUSIVE. 
          WE AGREED WITH THAT. 
          UM, FOR THE, THE OTHER THREE POLICY VIOLATIONS, INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, CAME BACK WITH UNFOUNDED, AND WE ALSO AGREED WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT, THAT CASE DID NOT, IT WAS A COMPLAINT, BUT IT DIDN'T INVOLVE USE OF FORCE. 
          NO, SIR. 
          THIS WAS JUST, UM, AN ALLEGED ALLEGATION FROM A CLOSE FAMILY MEMBER, UM, THAT WAS SAYING THAT THERE WAS MISCONDUCT, AND AGAIN, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DID FOUND THAT IT WAS UNFOUNDED AND INCONCLUSIVE. 
          IS THIS A CASE THAT, UM, A PO HAS CLOSED ON OR HAS MADE A DECISION ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? ALRIGHT. 
          WAS, WAS THERE A RECOMMENDATION OR WAS INCURRENCE WITH, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS? IT WAS IN CONCURRENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS IN CONCURRENCE WITH THE, UH, INTERNAL AFFAIRS AS WELL. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, UH, I LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN, UH, WILL VOTE ON APPROVING THE WORKING GROUP'S A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE AGAINST, I GUESS THOSE AGAINST ABSTAINING. 
          PERFECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ONE. 
          AND THEN, UM, MR. PETERMAN, DID YOU WANNA DO THE LAST ONE? I KNOW I TOLD YOU I WASN'T GONNA TALK THE WHOLE TIME AND GIVE YOU SOME  SOME TIME TO DO IT TOO. 
          WELL, I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU TALKING, BUT NO, I, I CAN TAKE THE LAST ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE LAST CASE IS, IS 2026 DASH 0 1 1 4. 
          AND THIS IS, IS REALLY A, A DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE AND, AND A CONFLICT. 
          UH, THERE IS, THERE'S SOME EVIDENCE THAT, THAT, UM, A GENTLEMAN AND THEN HIS, HIS EX-PARTNER, UH, BROKE UP, UH, THAT HE ACCUSED 
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OF, HE ACCUSED HER OF TAKING THE KEY TO HIS APARTMENT, UH, ADA, AND GOING IN UNDER THE GUISE OF TRYING TO FIND OR GET SOME OF HER STUFF OUT OF THERE. 
          UM, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, THERE WAS, UM, AN ALLEGATION OF, OF HIM ATTACKING HER, UH, AT, AT THAT TIME IN A SEPARATE SEPARATE INSTANCE. 
          AND THE, THE COMPLAINT WAS THAT THEY REALLY, THE COMPLAINANT DID NOT FEEL LIKE THE, THE POLICE THAT WERE CALLED REALLY ADDRESSED THE, IN THE INCIDENT AS THEY WOULD LIKE, THEY WANTED HIM TO, UH, THE POLICE OFFICER TO, TO TAKE THE KEY FORCIBLY FROM, FROM THE, THE EX-GIRLFRIEND. 
          AND, AND THEY, YOU KNOW, HE, HE SUPPOSEDLY HAD, UM, DONE REPEATED COMPLAINTS THAT HE WASN'T GETTING RESPONSE BACK FROM, FROM A PD LIKE HE, LIKE HE EXPECTED, UM, THE, THE POLICE OFFICER AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, A PO AND, AND I REALLY SAID IT'S MORE OF A CIVIL MATTER THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OFFICER INSTRUCTED HIM TO, UH, EACH TO AVOID EACH OTHER. 
          AND THERE IS REALLY NO EVIDENCE OF HER TAKING THINGS. 
          THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT SOME OF HIS CLAIMS AS WELL. 
          SO THEY DIDN'T, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO, TO REALLY SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS A POLICY VIOLATION AT ALL. 
          AND WE, WE REVIEWED IT AND AGREED THAT IT DIDN'T SEEM TO BE SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, A, AN EGREGIOUS POLICY VIOLATION AT ALL. 
          UH, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN THAT WE HAD THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO THIS GENTLEMAN WHO WAS, WHO MADE NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS AND DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HE WAS GETTING THE, THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSE THAT HE SHOULD. 
          BUT, UM, IT REALLY WASN'T, YOU KNOW, DIDN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF ANY KIND OF POLICY VIOLATION. 
          IT WAS MORE OF A, LIKE A DOMESTIC, DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE. 
          SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS WE CONCURRED WITH, WITH A PO, AND, AND THEY CAN STEP IN HERE TOO, UH, AND I, ON THAT, YOU KNOW, ON THE INVESTIGATION. 
          AND THEN I JUST WANNA ADD FOR YOU GUYS THE THREE POLICIES THAT WERE, UM, ALLEGEDLY VIOLATED. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE 3 0 1 2 IMPARTIAL ATTITUDE AND COURTESY. 
          SO HE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY THE OFFICER RESPONDED TO HIM. 
          AND THEN 4 0 1 2 INITIAL RESPONSE AND INVESTIGATION, AND THEN THE FOLLOW UP INVESTIGATION. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PENA. 
          I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH THAT, THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DO IS JUST MAKE SURE WHICH CODES ARE BEING, UH, ACCUSED ANY FURTHER, ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SO ONCE AGAIN, UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION HERE TO AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF WORKING GROUP A ON THIS, ON CASE 2 0 2 6 0 0 1 1 4. 
          UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          ANY, ANYONE OPPOSED? I GUESS NO. 
          OKAY. 
          UNANIMOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WORKING GROUP B, WOULD YOU NOT GO? I, I COULD, YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY. 
          BEFORE WE GET TO WORKING, COULD, COULD YOU CLARIFY? IT'S COMMISSIONER PENA PETERMAN, AND WHO'S THE THIRD IN DE WORKING GROUP DE PASS. 
          OH, THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          YES. 
          AND IN WORKING GROUP A IS COMMISSIONER RUSSELL, UH, COMMISSIONER HARRIS AND COMMISSIONER, NO, OR B, SORRY, THAT WAS A B I'M ABOUT, ABOUT TO, MAYBE YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY LET YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO GROUP B IS, UH, MYSELF, UH, DEREK, EUGENE, AND, UH, CHRIS. 
          UM, AND I AM FORGETTING YOUR LAST NAME RIGHT NOW, HARRIS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          TALK TO HIM ALL THE TIME. 
          UM, SO, UH, OUR CASE THAT WE REVIEWED WAS CASE NUMBER, UH, A PO 2 20 26 DASH 0 0 1 3 4. 
          UM, THE ALLEGATIONS, UH, ARE, UH, THE VIOLATIONS WERE, UH, UH, FROM, UH, THREE 30 OF THE GENERAL ORDERS, UH, THREE 30 DASH FOUR IMMIGRATION STATUS INQUIRIES, AND ALSO, UH, 3 18 3 4, UH, ICE RETAIN, UH, ICE DETAINER REQUESTS. 
          UM, THIS WAS A CASE WHERE, UH, I BELIEVE THE OFFICERS WERE CALLED FOR, UH, WELL, THEY WERE CALLED, UM, PERIOD. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS AN, UH, THERE WAS A WARRANT FROM ICE FOUR FOR ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND, UM, THEY DID DETAIN THE INDIVIDUAL, UM, FROM UNDERSTANDING, UM, AND, UH, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME PRESENTING, SO, PARDON ME, . 
          UH, SO 
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WE HAD ASSESSED THAT, UM, UH, WE, AFTER REVIEWING THE, THE EVIDENCE, UH, WE, WE CONCLUDED THAT, UM, THAT IT WAS, UH, THAT THERE WERE MULTIPLE OFFICERS THAT, THAT, UH, MADE THE SAME DECISION, UM, THAT IT TO, TO OURSELVES. 
          IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. 
          IT WAS, UH, AND I, I SORT OF ARTICULATED THIS TO THE POLICE CHIEF THAT THERE WAS A, A LACK OF CLARITY WITH THE, UH, ATTENDING OFFICERS. 
          AND, UM, FROM WHAT WE REVIEWED, WE DID NOT FIND IN THIS CASE THAT THERE WAS A, WE DID NOT CONCLUDE THAT THERE WAS A VIOLATION. 
          UM, OUR CONCLUSION WAS, AND OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, ARE THAT, UH, ARE THAT, UM, UH, WE RECOMMEND COMING MORE REPLACE OF, OF LOOKING AT THE TRAINING AND INFORMATION DISSEMINATION TO THE OFFICERS. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WHILE THERE WERE, WHILE THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE VIOLATION, THAT WERE SOME VIOLATIONS OF THE GENERAL ORDERS IN TERMS OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS OF, UM, UH, ANYTHING PUNITIVE, UM, OUR, OUR, OUR RESPONSE WOULD BE MORE OF A TRAINING. 
          UH, AND LOOKING AT AND LOOKING AT, UH, SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT I WAS QUESTIONING, UH, THE POLICE CHIEF ABOUT, ABOUT THE POLICIES WITH HOW WE WORK WITH, WITH A PD WORKS WITH ICE AND DETAINEES OF THAT NATURE. 
          AND I, I, I WAS JUST GONNA ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I PLEASE DO. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK I WAS THE ONE THAT KIND OF, UH, TRIED TO ARTICULATE A LOT OF THIS. 
          UM, AND I THINK PART OF IT IS, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL ORDERS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE CHANGING A LOT, UH, SOMETIMES, BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS AS IMPORTANT AS ICE, I FEEL LIKE THE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD, I DON'T HAVE THE FULL UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT, UH, THOSE GENERAL ORDERS SHOULD BE MADE PRETTY CLEAR TO THE OFFICERS, BECAUSE IF THERE'S MULTIPLE OFFICERS ON THE SCENE THAT ARE DOING THE SAME THING, IT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT EITHER THE GENERAL ORDERS AREN'T MADE VERY CLEAR, OR THERE'S NO ENFORCEMENT OF THE JOURNAL ORDERS. 
          AND, UH, MY, YEAH, THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          GENERALLY, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, UH, QUESTION WITH, UH, REGARDING THE CASE FROM A PO AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS, IS THIS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE NO POLICY VIOLATION? AND IS THIS CASE ALREADY CLOSED, OR IS IT STILL PENDING? YEAH, THIS, THIS CASE IS RESOLVED. 
          I THINK THE CONCLUSIONS OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND A PO IS THAT TWO OF THE OFFICERS, THE PRIMARY OFFICERS DID VIOLATE POLICY, AND THE DISCIPLINE WAS ACTUALLY, THERE WAS NO DISCIPLINE. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS TRAINING. 
          AND I THINK AS YOU GUYS DELIBERATE, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE, I MEAN, YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE CLEAR ON. 
          AND THE EXAMPLE I'LL USE IS, INITIALLY YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T SEE A POLICY VIOLATION, I'M SORRY, AND THEN THERE WAS SOME SMALL POLICY VIOLATIONS. 
          WHAT I'LL SAY IS, IT'S OKAY TO SEE A POLICY VIOLATION AND STILL RECOMMEND THE DISPOSITION BE TRAINING THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, NOT ONLY WITH A PD, BUT WITH A PO AS WELL. 
          SO I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK, WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T A BIG DEAL AND HE REALLY, HE OR SHE SHOULDN'T GET FIRED. 
          IT SHOULD BE A TRAINING ISSUE. 
          IT CAN STILL BE A SUSTAINED VIOLATION WHERE YOU SEE, YEAH, THIS HAPPENED, IT'S AGAINST POLICY. 
          HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT'S NON EGREGIOUS AND WE THINK TRAINING IS THE BEST OPTION, THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          THAT, THAT'S, SO JUST REALIZE THAT WE CONCLUDED. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, UH, THERE WERE FIVE OFFICERS INVOLVED. 
          TWO OF THEM, THE DIS THE FINDING FROM A PO AND A PD WAS THAT THEY VIOLATED POLICY, AND THE DISPOSITION WAS TRAINING THAT THREE OF THE OFFICERS WERE EXONERATED, ARE UNFOUNDED, THAT THEY DID NOT VIOLATE ANY POLICIES. 
          AND, AND I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. 
          SO WAS IT A, AN INTENTIONAL POLICY VIOLATION, OR IS IT JUST ARISING FROM A NEW SITUATION THAT THEY HAD TO NAVIGATE? WE, WE FELT THAT IT WAS ARISING FROM THE, THE, THE LADDER OF THE TWO THAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IT WAS, UH, BECAUSE I WITNESSED, AND ALSO THEY WITNESSED, WE SAW MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE THE OFFICERS WERE REACHING OUT TO THEIR SUPERIOR OR TO THE RECOMMENDED REPRESENTATIVE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON HOW TO PROCEED. 
          AND IT WAS BRIEF, IT WAS A BRIEF CONVERSATION, BUT NONETHELESS, EVEN THE SUPERVISOR DIDN'T FLAG THIS AND SAY, HEY, THIS GENERAL ORDER, BE CAREFUL HERE. 
          NONE OF THAT HAPPENED. 
          ALL THE OFFICERS APPEAR TO THINK THAT NOTHING, UM, WAS IN VIOLATION OF GENERAL ORDERS. 
          SO, UH, YEAH. 
          SO IF WE ARE GONNA FIND ANYONE RESPONSIBLE, I, I SPEAK FOR MYSELF, 
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I'LL SAY, I WOULD JUST GO UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AT THAT POINT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          YES. 
          ONCE AGAIN, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION OF WORKING GROUP, UH, B ON THIS CASE. 
          UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          JUST A POINT. 
          SO IS THE RECOMMENDATION NO VIOLATION, BUT WITH TRAINING, OR WAS IT VIOLATION WITH TRAINING SO THAT YOU AGREED WITH THEM, CORRECT. 
          YES, WE AGREED WITH THEM. 
          THE VIOLATION WITH TRAINING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, SORRY. 
          YEAH, AND ACTUALLY, AND CLARIFY, UM, REGARDLESS OF AGREE OR NOT, WHAT WE WANT TO VIEW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO VOTE ON IS WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO, AND I, DO I HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN? ARE WE STILL ALL IN, IN AGREEMENT WITH WORKING GROUPS? OKAY, PERFECT. 
          SO NOW, UH, WORKING GROUP, UH, C HAD, UH, TWO CASES, UH, YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST? I'LL GO FIRST WITH CASE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          YEAH, THE FIRST CASE, CLEARLY, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS NEW, NEW GROUNDS FOR US. 
          SO WE HAVE DIFFERENT STYLES OF PRESENTING, UH, WORK. 
          UH, CASE 2, 0, 20, 25, 26, 78, IMPROPER CONDUCT. 
          IN MY CASE, I LIKE TO, UH, REVIEW THE COMPLAINT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY THE COMPLAINT WAS THAT THERE WAS AN OFFICER THAT WAS POSTED COUNTLESS INSTAGRAM TIKTOKS VIDEOS ON SOME MEDIA WHILE IN AUSTIN POLICE, WHILE IN AUSTIN, POLICE UNIFORM AND PATROL VEHICLE, AND ONE OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS, HE STATED HE'S GOING TO CONDUCT A BEAT DOWN AND PUT ON A, PUT ON A FACE MASK WITH THE POLICE INSCRIBE ON IT. 
          POLICE AUSTIN, POLICE INSCRIBE ON IT. 
          UM, HE ALSO REMOVES HIS NAME TAG, AND THEN THE, THE, THIS IS THE COMPLAINANT, RIGHT? SO THIS IS, I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS AND CAUSES DISCREDIT TO THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          THIS CONDUCT IS CLEARLY IN VIOLATION OF APDS GENERAL ORDER. 
          UH, IT COMPROMISES DEPARTMENT OF REPUTATION, PROFESSIONALISM OR MISSION, USES DEPARTMENT MATERIAL OR CREDENTIALS TO PERFORM, UH, PERSONAL GAIN, ENCOURAGES UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY OR DAMAGES TO DEPARTMENT'S CREDIBILITY. 
          EMPLOYEE MUST CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER TO IDENTIFY THEMSELF AS A A PD, PERSONAL, UH, PERSONAL ON PERSONAL ACCOUNTS. 
          INAPPROPRIATE IDENTIFICATION CAN BLUR PROFESSIONAL BOUNDARIES AND IS DISCOURAGED UNLESS CLEARLY LAWFUL AND APPROPRIATE. 
          SO THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS ACTUALLY, UH, OR EXCERPT OF THE COMPLAINANT ITSELF, EXCEPT MAYBE TAKING OUT THE OFFICER'S NAME. 
          IT'S NO, NO NEED FOR THAT. 
          SO, UM, WE HAD THE, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE, THE VIDEO WE COULD GET ON, YOU CAN GET YOURSELF ON, UH, INSTAGRAM OR WHATEVER AND SEE IT YOURSELF. 
          SO I, THIS FOLLOWS A LITTLE BIT SOMEWHAT THE, THE, UH, THE PROCEDURE. 
          A PO USUALLY GOES AND ASKS SOME QUESTIONS. 
          SO FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHAT'S THE EXTERNAL OR INTERNAL COMPLAINT? IT WAS AN EXTERNAL, UH, COMPLAINT, A PO. 
          THIS WAS NOT, UH, AUSTIN POLICE. 
          THE COMPLAINTS WR RIGHT WRITTEN UP WERE POLICY 900.3 0.2, WHICH ACTS, UH, BRINGING DISCREDIT UPON DEPARTMENT AND POLICY 9 72 0.4, WHICH IS PROHIBIT PROHIBITED SPEECH AND EXPRESSIONS AND CON, UH, AND CONDUCT. 
          WAS THE, WAS IT AN IMPARTIAL INVESTIGATION? WE BELIEVE THE ANSWER WAS YES. 
          DID IT, DID IT READ LIKE A, YOU KNOW, DEFENSIVE STATEMENT? WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT YES, WE ONLY GOT, WE ONLY GOT TO REVIEW AUDIO AND THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE INTERVIEW ITSELF. 
          THE, UH, THE, USUALLY IN THE, IN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UH, INVESTIGATION, THERE'S ALSO A VIDEO. 
          SO WE CANNOT, WE WON'T, BUT WITH THE AUDIO AND TRANSCRIPTS ARE, ARE SOMETIMES GOOD ENOUGH. 
          THE ACCUSED OFFICER, UH, READS A STATEMENT AFTER A BREAK, AND HIS AUSTIN POLICE ASSOCIATION ATTORNEY ALSO READS A STATEMENT STATING HIS POSITION THAT DID NOT SEEM TO THINK THAT THERE WAS MUCH WRONG WITH THE INSTAGRAM TIKTOKS, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT DID NOT RECEIVE, UH, IT ACTUALLY RECEIVED SOME PO POSITIVE REVIEWS. 
          THE OFFICER DOES NOT SEEM TO THINK THE VIDEO IS A DISCREDIT TO THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, IT WAS DONE WITH THE GOAL OF PUTTING A PD IN A GOOD LIGHT AND A KIND OF A REACHING OUT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN, TEXAS, WHERE IT'S JUST ITS OWN WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PERCEPTION IS NOT REALITY. 
          WHATEVER THESE PEOPLE EXPERIENCE ARE WITH, WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE TO DRIVE THE COMMENTS. 
          THAT WAS THE COMMENT ON THE, UH, ATTORNEY. 
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SO WHAT WAS LEFT OUT, THE SUMMARY OF SIGNIFICANT, UH, DURING THE INTERVIEW WE HAVE, WE HAVE CONCERNS REGARDING, UH, THE GENERAL CODE THAT WERE SELECTED AS POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS, UM, REPORTING A MINOR CODE VIOLATION OR DEFENSIBLE CODE INSTEAD OF A MORE, UH, SERIOUS ONE IS A PRACTICE WE WANNA DISCOURAGE SPECIFICALLY. 
          WE, UM, WE WEREN'T, WE SURE WEREN'T SURE WHY THE OFFICER, WHY WE DID WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT CONSIDERED 8 0 4 0.2 0.5, WHICH IS, UH, PROVISION, UH, PROVISIONS APPLICABLE TO BOTH ON-CALL AND TAKE HOME VEHICLES BECAUSE THAT CAR WAS ACTUALLY SHOWN. 
          UM, AND B, EMPLOYEES SHALL NOT USE THE VEHICLE IN A MATTER NOT PATRONIZED BY BUSINESS. 
          THAT MAY BRING DISCREDIT UPON THE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IF VEHICLES WILL NOT BE USED FOR ANY COMMERCIAL OR BUSINESS PURPOSE, AND ON 900.3 0.6, EMPLOYEES WILL REMAIN NEUTRAL IN ALL SITUATIONS, NEVER RENDERING AN OPINION AS TO THE QUALIFICATIONS OF ANY CANDIDATE, POTENTIAL CANDIDATES OR ISSUE WHILE IN UNIFORM OR ON DUTY. 
          SO FROM, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS ACTUALLY SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THERE ARE OTHER POSSIBLE CODES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED NOW ISSUES WITH THE INVESTIGATION. 
          DID INTERNAL AFFAIR, UH, DO, DO A, A FACTUAL FINDING? I DIDN'T ANSWER TO US WAS YES, THERE, IT WAS VERY FACTUAL IN FINDING TIMELINES. 
          WE THOUGHT IT WAS A REASONABLE TIMELINE, INVESTIGATION, SCOPE OF THE INVESTIGATION. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHO DETERMINED THE SCOPE OF INVESTIGATION? WE BELIEVE IT WAS A PO DETERMINED THE SCOPE OF MPA IN THE INVESTIGATION EVIDENCE PRESENTED THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INTERVIEW, TRANSCRIPTS OF THE INTERVIEW, BUT ONLY THE AUDIO AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, NOT THE VIDEO ITSELF WAS MADE AVAILABLE, AND THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, UM, BUT, BUT, BUT WE FELT THAT THE AUDIOS CRIPTS WERE, WERE ADEQUATE ENOUGH FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE POSITION OF THE OFFICER. 
          AND, AND OUR IMPRESSION, THEY, THEY NOT BELIEVE THAT IT SEEMED, THAT THEY WERE NOT, THEY DID NOT REGRET THE, OR BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY VIOLATION. 
          HOW DID A PO FAIR DOING THE INTERVIEW AND QUESTIONING? I BELIEVE, UH, FINE AFTER, UH, AFTER THE BREAK, THE OFFICER WERE ALLOWED, WAS ALLOWED TO MAKE THE READ A PREPARED STATEMENT, AND HE WAS ABLE TO, TO SAY THAT HE JUST WANTED TO, TO CLARIFY SOME ANSWERS, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME QUESTION DURING THE INTERVIEW, WHETHER HE WAS SORRY OR NOT OF FOR THE POSITION. 
          BUT AFTER THE BREAK, THEY CAME BACK STRONGLY THINKING THAT THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE, WITH THEIR POSITION. 
          SO FOR US, 9 7, 4 0.4 PROHIBITIVE SPEECH EXPRESSIONS AND CONDUCTS, WE BELIEVE THAT YES, THERE WAS A VIOLATION. 
          UM, TO ME, DEPARTMENT SAFETY, PERFORMANCE AND PUBLIC STRESS NEEDS, THE FOLLOWING IS PROHIBITED SPEECH OR EXPRESSIONS MADE PURSUANT TO AN OFFICIAL DUTY THAT TENDS TO COMPROMISE OR DAMAGE THE MISSION FUNCTION OF REPUTATION OR PROFESSIONALISM OF THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ITS EMPLOYEES. 
          AND B, SPEECHES OR EXPRESSIONS THAT WHILE NOT MADE PURSUANT TO AN OFFICER'S DUTY, IS SIGNIFICANTLY LINKED TO OR RELATED TO AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TENDS TO COMPROMISE OR DAMAGE THE MISSION FUNCTIONS REPUTATION OF PROFESSIONALISM OF AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO WE THOUGHT THAT THAT INDEED 9 74 POINT FOURS, UH, WAS, WAS VIOLATED. 
          AND WE DID THAT BASED ON THE INSTAGRAMS AND TIKTOK VIDEOS AND INTERVIEWS OF THE OFFICER. 
          AND WITH REGARDS TO 900.32 ACTS BRINGING DISCREDIT UPON THE DEPARTMENT, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT ALSO WAS VIOLATED, UH, THIS IS CONDUCT OF PERSONAL, OF PERSONAL BOAT ON DUTY OR OFF DUTY MAY REFLECT DIRECTLY UPON THE DEPARTMENT. 
          EMPLOYEES MUST CONDUCT THEMSELF AT ALL TIMES A MATTER WHICH DOES NOT BRING REPROACH, DISCREDIT, OR EMBARRASSMENT TO THE DEPARTMENT OR TO THE CITY. 
          AND THEN A EMPLOYEES WILL NOT COMMIT ANY ACTS, WHICH TEND TO DESTROY PUBLIC CONFIDENCE IN OR RESPECT OF THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS, UH, PREJUDICIAL TO THE GOOD ORDER EFFICIENCY AND DISCIPLINE OF THE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND ONCE, ONCE AGAIN, ALL OF THIS IS BASED ON THE VIDEO ON THE, THE, UH, INTERVIEWS AND THE TIKTOK VIDEO. 
          SO YEAH, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS WAS ALREADY, UH, UM, YEAH, WHERE IT WAS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FROM OUR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS, UM, EDUCATION OR SOME CLASSES IS WHAT MAYBE WAS, WAS, WAS, UM, SUGGESTED. 
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AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE INCLUDED MAYBE ONE TO THREE DAYS OF SUSPENSION TO ENSURE THAT OFFICER UNDERSTANDS THE SEVERITY OF THE VIOLATION. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, WE, I MAY, MAY HAVE MISSED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THIS IN FRONT OF THE POLICE CHIEF IN TIME, BUT, UH, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHY I THINK WHERE WE BELIEVE THAT MAYBE IT'S, UM, IT, IT RENDERED A LITTLE MORE SEVERITY, UH, AND THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE THAN JUST, UH, TAKING SOME MORE CLASSES TO LEARN TO DO BETTER VIDEOS OR SOMETHING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, WHAT WAS IT THAT, UM, SO OBVIOUSLY HE POSTED STUFF WITH, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT ASSETS MORE OR LESS, AND IN A POLICE, IN A, IN AN OFFICE POLICE CAR AND IN UNIFORM AND UNIFORM. 
          YEAH. 
          OTHER QUESTION? AND AGAIN, HE WAS SAYING HE WAS GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN A BEAT DOWN AND WEAR A MASK. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT HAPPENED WAS, UM, I MEAN, THE, TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE CONTENTS, THE, UH, YOLANDA SALDIVAR, WHO WAS THE, THE PERSON THAT KILLED, UH, THE TETANO, UH, SELENA ANO MUSIC PLAYER, SELENA  WAS BORN, WAS BEING RELEASED. 
          AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE OF COURSE, UPSET ABOUT THAT. 
          AND SO WHAT HE DID IS A, A TIKTOK KIND OF, YOU KNOW, HUMOR FORM ABOUT HIM GOING AND DOING A BEAT DOWN, IMPLYING THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE THINGS IN HIS OWN HAND. 
          AND IT WAS DONE IN TRUTHFULLY, IN HUMOR, HUMOROUS FORM. 
          IT'S A JOKE CLEARLY. 
          BUT THE QUESTION WAS HOW DOES THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, A LOT OF MINORITIES WHO ARE AFRAID OF SOMETIMES POLICE TAKING THINGS IN THEIR OWN HAND, THAT'S IT'S P BRINGS PTSD TOO IN A, ANYWAY, SO REGARDLESS, AND THAT WAS THE, THE, THE THING. 
          SO, AND THERE WAS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS MENTIONED IN THEIR SKULL, SKULL SKULLY, WHICH IS A WORD I DID NOT KNOW BEFORE, AND THEY WERE PUBLICLY POSTED THIS ALL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN GOOGLE THIS RIGHT NOW YOURSELF. 
          IT'S ALL POSTED, PUBLICLY POSTED. 
          THAT WAS IT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICER'S NAME AND EVERYTHING ON, SO, SO WE, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE A SECOND AND PULL UP THAT? NO, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, UH, OKAY. 
          IT'S NECESSARY. 
          I MEAN, WITHOUT, WITHOUT DIVULGING ANYTHING, UM, CONFIDENTIAL. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M WELCOME TO TAKE APOS INPUT. 
          I, IT DOES SOUND EGREGIOUS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THIS OUR, OUR AS FROM A COMMUNITY PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO SHARE, AT LEAST WITH THE A A PD, THAT WE THOUGHT THIS, THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE THAN A SLAP IN THE HAND, WHICH IS WHAT I SOMETIMES LOOK AT TAKING A CLASS OR TAKING A COURSE. 
          SO THAT'S FINE. 
          AND, AND IT'S ONE OF THE DEFENSE WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PERSON THAT COMPLAINANT HAD SEEN IT AND THEY WERE TALKING, YOU KNOW, NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON IT, BUT THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE WHO POSITIVELY COMMENTED, MY PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO, IT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE GIVE YOU LIKES OR NOT. 
          IT SHOULD BE WHETHER THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR SOMEBODY WEARING THE, THE UNIFORM OF AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO, I MEAN, NPO, WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MANY SPECIFICS, DO YOU WANNA CORRECT US AND WHAT WERE, YOU KNOW, THE DETAILS THAT WERE, THAT WE SAID, OR I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW? DID, DID, CAN WE ASK, DID YOU ALL, HAVE YOU ALL EVALUATED THIS CASE AND HAD A RULING? YES. 
          YES. 
          AND WE RECOMMENDED ONE TO THREE SUSPENSION DAYS AND, UM, A PD RECOMMENDED TRAINING. 
          YES. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE IF HAD WE GOTTEN THIS IN TIME IN FRONT OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE BEFORE, MAYBE IT WOULD'VE BEEN A CHANCE FOR THAT. 
          SO IT, IT BRINGS TO THE POINT OF WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE A ROLE IF WE CAN GET THE TIMING RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, SOMETIMES PEOPLE POST STUFF ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS, OR, YOU KNOW, THERE SQUAD CARS IN IT OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT YEAH, IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE, YEAH. 
          COULD HAVE SUSPENSION BEING ADDED ONTO THIS PENALTY. 
          ARE WE STILL WITHIN THE, I, YOU KNOW, TIMELINE? THIS IS MY PERSONAL VIEW, NOT A LAWYER, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE DOUBLE JEOPARDY. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT NOT GETTING THERE IN, IN TIME IS THE PRICE WE PAY, BUT, BUT I THINK IT'S, THERE'S STILL VALUE FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND A PD AND INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO GET AND A POA, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN POLICE OFFICER TO SEE WHAT, HOW THE, THE PERSPECTIVE AND THE VIEWS OF, OF CIVILIANS, UH, ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          SO THERE THAT, YEAH. 
          AND I JUST WANNA CLARIFY FOR THE REST OF US, THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST CASES THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN AGREEMENT WITH, UM, A PO, BUT NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH INTERNAL AFFAIRS. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT IS CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT JUST COMES TO SHOW THE COMPLEXITY OF GETTING THESE CASES, UM, AND NOT SO MUCH IN AGREEMENT WHERE THE VIOLATION WAS THERE, BUT THE PUNISHMENT, THE PUNITIVE PUNISHMENT. 
          SO CAN WE PULL THE NOTE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND HAVE THEM EXPLAIN WHY THEY DIDN'T SUSPEND HIM? HAVE A BRIEFING MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          WE SPECIFICALLY SET OUR, YOUR PROTOCOLS SO THAT, UH, YOU'LL ADVISE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND A PD WHEN THEY NEED TO BRIEF OR THEY NEED TO ADDRESS 
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THESE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE DO WANNA GIVE 'EM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO REPAIR. 
          WE DON'T WANNA PUT 'EM ON THE SIDE. 
          AND, AND THAT'S SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY IN LOGISTICS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THIS, IDENTIFY WE WANNA BRIEFING REQUEST ONE, GET IN TIME, AND THEN STILL MEET THE TIMING IN SO THAT WHEN WE DO VENDOR OR, OR VIEW, IT'S GOT, GETS IN TIME. 
          'CAUSE THE, THE, THE, THE POINT OF POLICE CHIEF MADE EARLIER IS THE SAME. 
          THIS OFFICER IS WAITING FOR A THING FOR SOMETIMES A LONG TIME. 
          SO ON THE, ON, ON THE OTHER SIDE, FOR THE MORALE OF THE POLICE FORCE, THEY WANT A DECISION MADE SOON. 
          SO WE, HOW WE, HOW WE BALANCE THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE TO FACE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'VE TALKED WITH, WE HAVE IDEAS FOR THAT. 
          SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE DEFINITELY HAVE IDEAS. 
          THE BRIEFINGS, THE EASY ONE, WE'LL JUST ASK FOR A BRIEFING. 
          AND MAYBE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, UH, PUTTING DISCUSSION WITH A PD AND A PO AS PART OF THE, ALONG WITH THE CASE NUMBER, THEN THAT WOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION OR MAY WANT TO, RIGHT. 
          NOT NECESSARILY. 
          SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT STRATEGIES TO MOVE THAT FORWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          FINE. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF, IF, IF THE BIGGER BODY WOULD AGREE WITH, UH, WORKING GROUP C'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE. 
          RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WOULD AGREE. 
          COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? YES. 
          THE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING IF, IF THE, IF THE CPRC, SAME THING WE DID BEFORE, DO YOU AGREE OR, OR YOU IN FAVOR OF THE WORKING GROUP C RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE, WHICH IS YES, THERE WERE VIOLATIONS AND YES, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A COUPLE DAYS SUSPENSION. 
          AND IF YOU ARE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          NEXT, THERE'S ONE MORE CASE THAT WORKING GROUP C LOOKED AT. 
          IT'S, UM, CASE 20 26 0 0 5 3. 
          UH, THIS IS A, A DOMESTIC. 
          PARDON? SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          THIS IS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASE. 
          UH, POLICE WERE CALLED, UH, WHEN ONE WOMAN CALLED IN AND SAID THAT ANOTHER WOMAN AND HER GOT INTO A FIGHT, UH, THE OTHER WOMAN'S SON TRIED TO BREAK IT UP AND GOT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND WAS ATTACKED. 
          UH, THE WOMAN THAT CALLED HAD MADE THE ACCUSATION OF THE POLICE OFFICER THAT HE WAS RUDE AND DID NOT DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. 
          UM, WE WENT AND WE REVIEWED THE BODY WORN CAMERA, AND, UM, I DID NOT FIND THAT TO BE TRUE THAT THE OFFICER HANDLED THIS PROFESSIONALLY AND IMPARTIALLY. 
          UH, THERE WAS ALSO AN ACCUSATION THAT HE DIDN'T, UM, A A APPARENTLY, ACCORDING TO GENERAL ORDERS, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT WHEN THERE IS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES THAT SOMEBODY GETS ARRESTED, UH, THAT, THAT HE HAD MADE THE WRONG CHOICE OF THE PERSON TO ARREST. 
          AND, UH, I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THE WOMAN THAT MADE THE CALL AND THAT WAS EVENTUALLY ARRESTED, THEIR STORY CHANGED SEVERAL TIMES OVER. 
          AND SO I BELIEVE THE OFFICER MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE. 
          UH, SO THE, THE ACCUSATIONS WERE A VIOLATION OF 4 0 1 0.2 RESPONSE TO INVESTIGATION. 
          I BELIEVE THE OFFICER DID THE RIGHT THING, AND HE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED THIS. 
          UH, THE OTHER AC ACCUSATION WAS 3 0 1 0.2 IMPARTIAL ATTITUDE. 
          AGAIN, UM, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE OFFICER VIOLATED ANY OF THE GENERAL ORDERS. 
          AND, UM, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE, THE, UH, THE COMPLAINTS BE NOT SUSTAINED ON EITHER ACCOUNT. 
          ONE, ONE THING I'LL ADD TO IT WAS THAT, UH, ONE COULD SEE THIS IS ONE OF THE CASES WHERE WE HAD, THERE ARE A LOT OF POLICE, POLICE OFFICERS CAME, AND SO THERE'S TONS OF BODY CAMERA AND FOOTAGE, 90, 90 MINUTES EACH, AND SOME WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH ALL, I GUESS MANY OF THEM JUST HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, THE, THE CASE. 
          THERE WERE JUST ANOTHER OFFICER ON THERE, ONE OR TWO WOULD'VE SUFFICE, BUT YOU COULD SEE THE FACE AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE INJURY OF BOTH THE COMPLAINANT AND THE OTHER, AND THE, THE, THE YOUNG MAN AND THE STORY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THE OFFICERS COLO TALKING TO EACH OTHER AND SAID, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, HER, HER, HER, UH, DESCRIPTION DOES NOT SEEM TO MATCH UP WITH THE EVIDENCE WE 
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RECEIVED. 
          AND, UH, SHE ALSO COMPLAINED ABOUT EMS THAT WERE, THEY ALSO WERE THE, THEY WERE ALSO DISRESPECTFUL AND EMS TRIED THAT EMS HAD ACTUALLY OFFERED TO TAKE HER TO THE HOSPITAL, AND SHE, SHE DECLINED. 
          SO AT THE END IT WAS, IT WAS EASY TO SEE THAT THE LANGUAGE THE OFFICERS USED SEEM, SEEMED RESPECTFUL IN HER OCCASION. 
          YES. 
          SO THOUGHT, THOUGHT THAT WAS, UM, I'D LIKE TO ADD TOO, THAT THERE WAS AN OFFICER WHO, UH, WHO CHASED DOWN THE GENTLEMAN INVOLVED IN THIS VERY GOOD. 
          AND I THINK HE DID A PARTICULARLY GOOD JOB OF COMFORTING THIS INDIVIDUAL AND EVEN WENT TO THE HOSPITAL TO TAKE THE REPORT WITH HIM. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, UM, THIS, THIS CASE WAS ISSUED PRIOR, BUT TO US HAVING NAMES OF OFFICERS, SO I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OF THE OFFICER THAT WAS THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, HE DID A GOOD JOB. 
          UM, I THINK THIS COMMITTEE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, IF WE SEE SOMETHING MM-HMM . 
          THAT'S OF SOMEBODY DOING A GOOD JOB, WE SHOULD SAY SOMETHING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER, YOU IDENTIFY THE OTHER GROUPS FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU IDENTIFY WHO'S ON GROUP C? OH, SORRY. 
          YES. 
          GROUP C IS COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS. COMMISSIONER, UM, JOHNSON JOHNSON AND COMMISSIONER GRAVES. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, ENOUGH, OKAY. 
          SAME THING. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE WHO, UM, WHICH, HOW MANY OF US AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF WORKING GROUP, WHAT, WHAT WAS, UH, A P'S RECOMMENDATION? NOT TO, NOT TO, NOT TO, UH, WE DID NOT SEE A POLICY VIOLATION ON THAT ONE. 
          YEAH, NO, NO VI NO POLICY VIOLATION. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE AGREE WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT, THAT, THAT ENDS THIS, UH, PRESENTATION. 
          LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE A QUITE A, QUITE A FORMAT YET. 
          SOME OF US, UH, ARE TRYING TO MAYBE DESCRIBE THE, THE CASE AND, AND THE VIOLATION ITSELF. 
          UM, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'S LIKE I SAID, WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE'LL LEARN TO, TO, TO CONDUCT THIS AND, AND KEEP PRIVACY, UH, THE, THE PRIVACY OF THE OFFICERS AND, AND THE VICTIMS IN, IN CHECK WITH THAT. 
          UM, YEP. 
          WE GET 
          [7. Election of Community Police Review Commission Officers ]
TO DISCUSSION. 
          UH, ACTION ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS ELECTION OF THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSIONS OFFICER. 
          THE, THE TWO POSITIONS, UH, RIGHT NOW, UH, THAT ARE UP ARE THE CHAIR, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW PRESENTLY MR. GRAVES AND THE VICE CHAIR, WHICH IS, UM, LAURA CORTES FRANCO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST DO A MOTION TO LET YOU GUYS JUST KEEP, KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND IF YOU WANTED THAT MOTION. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT A ? I SECOND. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. 
          SO WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO, WOULD YOU WANNA RESTATE YOUR MOTION? YOU NEED TO NOMINATE AND GET A SECOND? YEAH. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND JUST RENOMINATE LIKE CARLOS GREAVES AND LAURA FRANCO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST SAY FOR CHAIR CARLOS GRES. 
          AND THEN, AND WE VOTE FOR IT. 
          NO, VICE CHAIR CARLOS GREAVES FOR CHAIR. 
          AND DR. FRANCO FOR VICE CHAIR. 
          I SECOND THAT. 
          I THINK WE CAN DO THAT ONE MOTION IF WE AGREE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, LET'S VOTE ON IT. 
          THOSE IN FAVOR OF FOR CHAIR CARLOS GRAVES AS CHAIR AND LAURA CORTES VANCO AS VICE CHAIR. 
          PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          CONGRATULATIONS, CHAIR . 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          THAT WASN'T TOO BAD. 
          OKAY, WELL, GOOD. 
          UM, NEXT, I GUESS WE 
          [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
WILL GO TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. ARE THERE ANY THINGS WE WANT TO ADD TO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? I THINK WE'VE GOT NO, WE HAVE A LONGER LIST. 
          IT GETS LONGER. 
          I WANT TO, TO REMIND YOU GUYS BETWEEN NOW AND AND OUR MEETING AND JUNE, PLEASE TRY TO DO ONE OR TWO OF THOSE. 
          UH, UH, ALONG WITH THE REVIEWING THE NEW CASES. 
          WE JUST GOT SOME NEW CASES TOO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST GOT THOSE A COUPLE DAYS AGO, SO WE HAVE TO START GETTING THOSE. 
          OH, AND CARLA, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WORKING GROUP A DOESN'T HAVE ANY MORE CASES ANYMORE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO REFILL THOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL DO THAT. 
          I DO WANNA, AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE FUTURE, 'CAUSE ARE WE THERE YET? DISCUSSION ITEM? YES. 
          YES. 
          WE'RE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LIKE TALK WITH CITY LEGAL ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THE STUFF I LOOK AT IS, UM, UH, I GUESS THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT IS SENSITIVE. 
          UM, IT 
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WOULD BE COOL IF, UH, IF, IF CITY LEGAL GIVES US THE GREEN LIGHT TO ALLOW SOME OF THE BODY CAM FOOTAGE WE SEE TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC IF, IF POSSIBLE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THERE MAY BE SOME, UM, BARRIERS TO THAT, BUT, UM, IF WE GET A GREEN LIGHT AND NO ONE SEES A PROBLEM WITH IT, WHAT, OKAY. 
          MAKE SURE, I MEAN, JUST TESTING FOR UNDERSTANDING. 
          SO YOU ARE ASKING IF IN THE PROCESS OF DOING OUR REVIEWS, WE SEE SOME OF THE BODY CAMERA VIDEOS THAT WE CAN REQUEST THAT THOSE WOULD BE, THAT THE POLICE RE UH, RELEASE THOSE TO THE PUBLIC. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, WHATEVER. 
          UM, OBVIOUSLY WE GOTTA WORK OUT THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT SOMEHOW, WHATEVER THE MOST EASIEST SOLUTION  IS TO, UH, TAKE WHAT WE SEE. 
          AND I KNOW SOME OF IT GETS WRAPPED UP IN THE COURT, SOME OF IT IS PENDING LITIGATION THAT MAY PREVENT US FROM DOING THAT. 
          UM, THAT A PO CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT IF I'M IN INCORRECT. 
          BUT, UM, IF IT ISN'T, UM, A ISSUE FOR THE CITY, I IT MAY BE, UH, RELEASING PART OF IT, THE REDACTED VERSION THAT CAN BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          BUT I I, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, TESTING FOR UNDERSTANDING, ISN'T IT, THERE MUST BE A, AN EXISTING PROCESS RIGHT NOW. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT OCCASIONALLY WE DO SEE THE AUSTIN POLICE RE RELEASE TO THE PUBLIC SOME PORTION OF, OF A VIDEO. 
          SO THERE'S SEEMS LIKE THERE'S ALREADY SOME PROCESS. 
          YEAH. 
          IF WE, IF WE DID DO THAT, WE'D PROBABLY HAVE TO BE A LITTLE SELECTIVE, BECAUSE THERE'S, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THAT COULD BE INCORRECT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE REDACTION OF THIS MATERIAL CAN BE A LITTLE TIME CONSUMING SOMETIMES. 
          SO IT WOULD BE LIKE, HEY, IT'S THIS CASE. 
          WE, WE CAN, UH, 'CAUSE THE NPO CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, , YOU KNOW, THE, UH, AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT CAN RELEASE FOOTAGE SOMETIMES. 
          UM, NOW THERE ARE LOTS OF LEGAL THINGS TO CONSIDER, OBVIOUSLY, BUT WHENEVER LEGAL GIVES YOU THE GREEN LIGHT AND YOU WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE PUBLIC ABOUT, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE, THIS IS WHY WE THOUGHT THIS. 
          I THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE, AND SO THE INFORMATION, SIR, THAT YOU'RE SEEING RELEASED IS THOSE IS, UH, BODY-WORN CAMERA RELATED TO CRITICAL INCIDENTS, RIGHT? SO OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, THERE'S A TIMEFRAME IN WHICH THE CHIEF HAS TO RELEASE INFORMATION OR BODY-WORN CAM RELATED TO CRITICAL INCIDENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BUT THE CASES THAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY REVIEWING THAT INFORMATION IS NOT RELEASED PUBLICLY IN TERMS OF BODY-WORN CAM. 
          BUT IT'S JUST THOSE CRITICAL INCIDENTS THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER GREAVES IS SPEAKING OF THAT HE'S SEEN RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THE PUBLIC DOES HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST ANY BODY-WORN CAM, UH, UNDER THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, UH, REQUEST VIA PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST IN TERMS OF BRIEFINGS. 
          UH, IF YOU'RE REVIEWING, UM, BODY-WORN CAM AND WE'RE DOING A BRIEFING, THOSE BRIEFINGS WOULD HAPPEN IN CLOSED SESSION. 
          AND SO THEREFORE, AS YOU'RE REVIEWING THE BODY-WORN CAM WITH A PO OR INTERNAL AFFAIRS, THAT WOULD BE ENCLOS SESSION AND THEREFORE THAT INFORMATION WOULD NOT BE SESSION. 
          I SHOULD CLARIFY, UH, MY, MY THOUGHT HERE WAS IT WOULD BE STUFF THAT THE PUBLIC COULD GET ACCESS TO ANYWAYS IF THEY REQUESTED IT. 
          AND SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GONNA BE SOME STUFF WE CANNOT RELEASE. 
          I I GET THAT. 
          BUT IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC COULD GET ACCESS TO, ACCESS TO IF THEY REQUESTED IT ANYWAYS, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST RELEASE THAT PROACTIVELY. 
          WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL HERE TO TALK THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          I WANNA COULDN SAY THAT THIS IS THE FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO I THINK IN ESSENCE, YES, WE CAN INCLUDE THIS IN A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND THIS WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME CONVERSATION WE'D BE HAVING. 
          GREAT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          SO YEAH, BRING, BRING IT FORWARD, HAVE THE DISCUSSION ITEM READY, AND IT COULD EVEN BE A RECOMMENDATION BASED ON WHAT WE COME UP WITH THE CASES. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I'M JUST, I, I WANNA, I FORGOT TO ASK AT THE TIME, IF THERE WAS ANY FEEDBACK THAT A PO HAD FOR US IN THE WAY THAT WE PRESENTED CASES. 
          IS THERE ANY PLACE WHERE YOU THINK WE CAN IMPROVE? DID WE DO TOO MUCH? NOT ENOUGH. 
          JUST PROVIDE SOME HELPFUL FEEDBACK. 
          WE WANNA PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA. 
          NO. 
          THINK DO REAL QUICK. 
          I, I, I THOUGHT IT WENT WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AS LONG AS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WENT WELL, BRITTANY. 
          I THINK IT'LL BE A PROCESS THAT Y'ALL KIND OF YEAH. 
          GET A BIT MORE PRACTICE IN AND JUST FINDING WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK AS FAR AS MAKING Y'ALL'S RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO FUTURE AGENDAS. 
          ANY, ANYTHING? UH, COMMISSIONER GREAVES? YEAH. 
          IF YOU, IF THE COMMISSION IS IN AGREEMENT WITH IT, WE'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE JUNE MEETING. 
          A DEMONSTRATION OF THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING DASHBOARD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. 
          THAT, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YES, DEFINITELY. 
          OKAY. 
          [01:55:01]
OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS BEFORE I SUGGEST ADJOURN? ADJOURNMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, IT'S MAY 15TH, 2026. 
          IT IS 4:55 PM AND I GUESS THIS MEETING OF THE CPRC IS ADJOURN. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS IT OKAY IF WE START THE POST MEETING GREET AT FIVE O'CLOCK? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO IF YOU WANNA STAY BACK, SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THE MEETING AND GREET, WE'RE GONNA KICK THAT OFF AT ABOUT FIVE O'CLOCK.
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