* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] QUORUM PRESENT WITHIN COUNCIL CHAMBERS. [CALL TO ORDER ] I NOW CALL THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER AT 6:01 PM FIRST, LET'S TAKE ROLE. PLEASE LET US KNOW YOU'RE HERE WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, CHAIR WOODS. I AM HERE, VICE CHAIR HANEY. HERE. COMMISSIONER MAXWELL IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. COMMISSIONER AHMED HERE. COMMISSIONER LON IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. COMMISSIONER GANNON HERE. COMMISSIONER BARRERA RAMIREZ. HERE. COMMISSIONER ROJAN. HERE. COMMISSIONER POWELL. HERE. COMMISSIONER BRETTON. HERE. COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE. I AM HERE. AND COMMISSIONER HILLER HERE. THANK YOU, AS USUAL, TONIGHT'S MEETING WILL BE HYBRID, ALLOWING FOR A VIRTUAL QUORUM AS LONG AS THE COMMISSIONER SERVING AS CHAIR IS PRESENT IN CHAMBERS. THEREFORE, WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS HERE AT CITY HALL AND IN ATTENDANCE, VIRTUALLY SIMILARLY, SPEAKERS CAN PRESENT HERE FROM COUNCIL CHAMBERS OR PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS. PLEASE REMEMBER TO SEND YOUR SIGN-IN SHEET TO OUR STAFF LIAISON PER THE CLERK'S GUIDELINES. AND PLEASE HAVE YOUR GREEN, RED, AND YELLOW ITEMS FOR VOTING. AND JUST AS A REMINDER FOR ANY COMMISSIONER IS ATTENDING VIRTUALLY TONIGHT OR IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE REMEMBER THAT OUR STAFF LIAISON NEEDS YOUR SIGN-IN SHEET BEFORE YOU JOIN THE MEETING, VIRTUALLY VIRTUAL COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE REMAIN MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING AND RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED. BUT IF I DON'T SEE YOU, PLEASE DO UNMUTE YOURSELF AND LET ME KNOW. VERBALLY. WE WILL HAVE ASSISTANCE FROM MS. GARCIA IN ANNOUNCING THE SPEAKERS DURING OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. MS. GARCIA, [PUBLIC COMMUNICATION: GENERAL ] DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? YES. CHAIR, WE HAVE PHILIP WILEY. PHILIP, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ARE, UH, ARE YOU GONNA TURN IN THE TIMER? OH, THANK YOU. UH, OKAY. PHILLIP WILEY, DOWNTOWN RESIDENT FOR 34 YEARS. IT'S BEEN THREE MONTHS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, BUT I'M STILL HERE. . UM, I HAVE TWO CHARTS I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT BECAUSE, UM, PEOPLE WORKING ON THE CENTRAL CITY PLAN HAVE REACHED A COUPLE IMPORTANT MILESTONES AND I WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF, OF, OF THAT AND, UH, PROVIDE YOU SOME LINKS TO DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAVE PROVIDED AND THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED BY OTHERS IN THE PAST. UM, UH, BACK IN 2006 AND 2007, THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH A SIMILAR PLANNING EXERCISE. UM, SO I AM INTRODUCING MYSELF AS DATA-DRIVEN NEIGHBOR PHIL. I'M SPEAKING ENTIRELY ON MY OWN BEHALF AND NOT REPRESENTING ANY OTHER GROUPS. UM, AND SO THIS IS MY SUMMER, UH, READING LIST RECOMMENDATIONS. I'D HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO INCLUDE 'EM. THE FIRST IS ON THE CENTRAL CITY OPEN, UM, DISTRICT, OPEN HOUSE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK THAT WAS PUBLISHED, UH, RECENTLY ON MAY 29TH. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN, AN EDITORIAL THAT, THAT I'VE SHARED WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I THINK IT'S AN OUTSTANDING DOCUMENT AND IT REALLY SHOWS, UM, A LOT OF PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN THE CITY AND KIND OF TALKING FRANKLY ABOUT WHERE THINGS STAND AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. SO I WOULD, IT'S ONLY FIVE PAGES. UM, I THINK THAT'S DEFINITELY WORTH THE REVIEW TO, TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE IN TERMS OF THEIR FEEDBACK. THE THE SECOND IS, UH, THE CENTRAL CITY DISTRICT PLAN EXISTING CONDITION REPORT. THIS IS A 125 PAGE DOCUMENT WITH A LOT OF PAGES. AND, UM, AFTER I REVIEWED IT, I DECIDED I WASN'T RETIRING YET. THAT, THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE WAY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS AND, UH, AND I APPRECIATE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, BUT, UH, IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED SUBJECT AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO TELL ANY STORY. UM, THE THIRD THING IS GOING BACK HISTORICAL. UM, THERE WAS A DOCUMENT THAT CAME OUT IN, IN, UH, 2006 THAT I WOULD HIGHLY, HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT. THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION PUBLISHED IT AND THEY SAID, HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO, TO MAKE IT TO, UH, 25,000 PEOPLE IN 10 YEARS. AND OF COURSE, WE DIDN'T MAKE IT. UM, THE FOURTH IS, UH, IS A REVIEW OF THE, UM, CAPITAL VIEW CORRIDORS AND AGAIN, 67 PAGES. NEXT CHART, PLEASE. SO, KIND OF THE PUNCHLINE HERE, UH, FROM FROM THE 2006 DOCUMENT, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, IS THAT IN 1940 WE HAD A ALMOST 13,000 RESIDENTS, AND THAT'S THE YEAR THAT THE TROLLEY CAR WAS DISASSEMBLED. IN FEBRUARY THAT YEAR WAS THE LAST RUN, UM, 14.3% OF THE PEOPLE IN AUSTIN LIVE DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE NOW AS OF THE 20, UH, 20 CENSUS CLOSER TO 1% AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU, MR. WILEY. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS DURING PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? NO. CHAIR. THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON PUBLIC COMMUNICATION. OKAY. THE FIRST ITEM ON [Consent Agenda] [00:05:01] THE CONSENT AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 9TH MEETING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EDITS TO THOSE MINUTES? OKAY, SEEING NONE, THE MINUTES WILL BE ADDED TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND OUR FIRST ACTIVITY TONIGHT IS TO VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEMS THAT ARE CONSENT APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL, POSTPONEMENTS OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, OR NON-DISCUSSION OR NON-DISCUSSION ITEMS. VICE CHAIR HANEY WILL READ THE PROPOSED CONSENT AGENDA AND SPECIFY THOSE THAT ARE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AND NON-DISCUSSION. AFTER THIS COMMISSIONERS, YOU'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST ANY CONSENT ITEMS BE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. VICE CHAIR, WOULD YOU MIND READING THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR US? SURE THING. UM, ITEM NUMBER TWO IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, NPA 2 0 2 3 DASH 0 0 1 4 0.04432 KNUCKLES CROSSING DISTRICT TWO. THAT ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION. NUMBER THREE IS A REZONING C 14 DASH 2025 DASH 6 5 43 0 2, KNUCKLES CROSSING AND DISTRICT TWO. THAT ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION. ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT NPA DASH 2 0 26 DASH 0 0 1 9 0.0 1 37 0 1 SPEEDWAY, 37 0 3 SPEEDWAY, AND 1 0 4 EAST 37TH STREET NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT DISTRICT NINE. THAT ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 14TH. ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS A REZONING C FOUR DASH 2026 DASH 0 2 37 0 1 SPEEDWAY, 37 0 3 SPEEDWAY, AND 1 0 4 EAST 37TH STREET REZONING IN DISTRICT NINE. THAT ITEM IS UP FOR NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT TO JULY 14TH. ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A REZONING C ONE FOUR DASH 2026 WESLEY GROCERY AND KITCHEN IN DISTRICT FOUR. THAT ITEM IS UP FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS NEED TO RECUSE OR ABSTAIN FROM ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? OKAY, MS. GARCIA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS? WE DO NOT. ALL RIGHT. DO ANY COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PULL ANY OF THE CONSENT ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR OTHERWISE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? IS THERE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING? MOTION BY VICE CHAIR HANEY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER POWELL. WITHOUT OBJECTION, THAT ITEM PASSES. AND THIS CONCLUDES THE CONSENT AGENDA. I WANNA RECOGNIZE THAT COMMISSIONER LON HAS JOINED US AS WELL. WE WILL [6. Rezoning: C14-2026-0014 - Wonsley Grocery & Kitchen; District 4 ] MOVE INTO OUR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT CASE. SO THIS IS ITEM SIX. THERE IS A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO POSTPONE TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS JULY 14TH. WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONEMENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT IS CHERYL ERO. CHERYL, YOU'LL HAVE TWO MINUTES. THANK YOU. HI, I'M CHERYL ERO. WE OWN 3 0 6 EAST WALEY DRIVE, WHERE GESNER MEETS WESLEY. UM, I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UM, WE HAD HOPED TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAD MET WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROJECT SITE, THE PROJECT PROPERTY, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING GROUP, WOMAN , I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER TITLE IS. UH, LISA HELEY HAD ASKED TO HAVE IT JUNE 14TH AND TIMOTHY BRAY IS TRYING TO MAKE A MEETING WITH LISA AND KATHY KIDD AND ME AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROJECT PROPERTY SO THAT WE CAN MEET ON SITE AND SEE WHAT THEIR VISION IS AND THEY CAN HEAR OUR CONCERNS AND WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE BEFORE WE AIR IT HERE. SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO POSTPONE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MOVING FORWARD TO OUR SPEAKER IN OPPOSITION OF THE POSTPONEMENT, WE HAVE SOHILL MAGNOLIA. HE'S THE APPLICANT AND WILL BE GIVEN A TOTAL OF FOUR MINUTES OF TIME WITH THE INCLUDED TWO MINUTE REBUTTAL. ALRIGHT, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? I CAN. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UH, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS SOL MCNO. I'M THE APPLICANT FOR THIS REZONING CASE ON EAST WESLEY DRIVE. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK TO DENY THE SECOND POSTPONEMENT REQUEST AND CONSIDER THE PLEA TO ALLOW THE REZONING. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE, UH, I'M SORRY WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MEET IN PERSON, UM, THAT WE ARE NOT OUTSIDERS. UH, THE LANDLORD AND MYSELF ARE LONG TIME LOCALS WHO HAVE LIVED AND BUILT BUSINESSES IN AUSTIN, UH, WHICH HAVE SERVED THEIR RESPECTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, FOR DECADES. IN FACT, I GREW UP ON NORTH LAMAR. SOME OF MY FONDEST MEMORIES ARE, UH, GOING TO SCHOOL THERE, WALKING TO WOOLDRIDGE HIGH SCHOOL, UH, WOOLDRIDGE [00:10:01] ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, UH, BURNETT MIDDLE SCHOOL AND LINEAR HIGH SCHOOL GO VIKINGS. UH, SO TO BE AN EXCELLENT NEIGHBOR, WE IMMEDIATELY AND GLADLY CONSENTED TO THE FIRST, UH, TWO WEEK POSTPONEMENT ON JUNE 9TH. SOON AFTER I PROACTIVELY REACHED OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEAD MS. KATHY VIA FORMAL LETTER AND FOLLOW UP TEXT MESSAGES TO SHARE OUR VISION AND ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS, TRAFFIC, TRASH AND SO ON. UM, THIS IS THE LETTER THAT I HAD, UH, DROPPED OFF WITH HER. UH, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONFUSION OR THE ANXIETY THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT FEEL BECAUSE I BELIEVE, BUT I BELIEVE THE MERITS FOR THE REZONING WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF. UH, HAVING GROWN VERY NEARBY, THIS IS A VIBRANT, VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD OF HARDWORKING FOLKS, BUT IT'S ALSO UNDERSERVED. OUR VISION IS A TRUE NEIGHBORHOOD GROCER WITH FULL KITCHEN OFFERINGS FROM DAILY GROCERY ITEMS TO FRESH FRUITS AND PRODUCE TO A VARIETY OF FRESHLY MADE, UH, FOOD OFFERINGS MADE IN-HOUSE, UH, IN THE KITCHEN, UH, WITHIN THE STORE. SO WE WANT IT TO BE A REAL SOURCE OF GATHERING FOR THOSE LIVING HERE. WE ALSO WISH TO HIRE WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD A BUILT BIAS SERVED BY US PHILOSOPHY, WHICH PLAYS INTO WALKABILITY A KEY COMPONENT IN MY OPINION FOR ME DURING THE DESIGN PHASE. SO THE VISION IS A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY HYPER-LOCAL GROCERY CONCEPT. UH, LASTLY, I WOULD MENTION THAT WE HAVE WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY STAFF FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS. IT WAS OFFICIALLY DETERMINED BY THE TPW THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS NOT REQUIRED. WE ALSO ACCEPTED THE, THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO PROHIBIT ANY SERVICE STATION OR GAS STATION USE AT THIS PROPERTY. SO WE BELIEVE WE HAVE, UH, A UNANIMOUS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR APPROVAL. SO I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE NOT DENY THE REQUEST FOR THIS REZONING OR POSTPONE IT. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. SO JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE ARE NOT TO DELVE INTO THE MERITS OF THE CASE IN OUR DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, BUT WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR ROUND ROBIN Q AND A. SO I HAVE SPOTS FOR EIGHT COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS AT FIVE MINUTES EACH. WHO WOULD LIKE TO START US OFF? YES. COMMISSIONER AHMED. UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANT. THE QUESTION, UH, CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS IF THIS DECISION IS, UH, OR IF THIS HEARING IS POSTPONED BY TWO WEEKS? UH, WELL, THE IMPLICATION I BELIEVE IS JUST, UH, THE TIME THAT WE HAVE SPENT SO FAR, UH, UH, TRYING TO GET THIS PROCESS GOING, UH, WORKING WITH THE CITY. UM, UH, THIS IS NOT TO DELAY OR UNDERMINE, I THINK THE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. UH, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE MADE THE EFFORT TO, UH, REACH OUT TO THEM. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND GATHERING, UH, GETTING EVERY TOGETHER MIGHT BE A BIT OF A CHALLENGE. BUT, UH, THE POSTPONEMENT IS JUST REALLY JUST TRYING TO MOVE OUR, UH, PROJECT ALONG. UH, IT HAS BEEN SORT OF ON THE BACK BURNER FOR A WHILE, SO IT WOULD, UH, BE A SORT OF A FINANCIAL, UH, HARDSHIP FOR US. OKAY. GOT IT. BUT IT DOESN'T THREATEN YOUR ABILITY TO NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IN SOME WAY? UH, BY, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER POWELL. UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF REGARDING COUNCIL SCHEDULING. GOOD EVENING COMMISSION. SHERRY SER WITH AUSTIN PLANNING. PERFECT. PERFECT. SO, UM, KNOWING THAT COUNCIL'S ON RECESS NOW AND THEN THEY HAVE KIND OF THE SPECIALTY BUDGET MEETINGS, RIGHT? IF WE WERE TO HEAR THIS CASE AND MAKE A DETERMINATION, UM, WOULD THIS LIKELY LAND ON THE JULY 23RD MEETING OR WOULD IT POTENTIALLY BE UP TO THE AUGUST 27TH MEETING? I'M TRYING TO THINK THROUGH THAT. WE ARE PROBABLY AT THIS POINT LOOKING AT JULY 23RD. 'CAUSE WE'RE A MONTH OUT, SO WE COULD STILL GET IT IN. UH, ORDINANCE REQUEST ARE DUE ON FRIDAY, SO. GOTCHA. YEAH. OKAY. THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. THANK YOU. THANKS, COMMISSIONER POWELL, OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER ROJAN, UH, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. UH, MR. MAGNOLIA, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. UM, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LETTER TO THE NEIGHBORS. UM, AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, UH, MYSELF AND, UH, TIMOTHY BRA OF DISTRICT FOUR HAVE SPOKEN TO THE NEIGHBORS IN AN ATTEMPT TO HELP THEM THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY NEW TO THESE ZONING CASES AS MOST NEIGHBORS ARE WHEN THEY GET INTO THESE CHAMBERS. RIGHT. I'M SURE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU DO EVERY DAY EITHER. [00:15:01] UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE ASKING FOR IS TO SET UP A MEETING. UNFORTUNATELY, UM, KATHY KIDD IS NOT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADER. UM, THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM THAT OVERLIES THAT, AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET THAT GROUP INVOLVED AND SET UP THE MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE MEETING WITH THE ACTUAL FULL REPRESENTATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO C CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT MEETING WAS NOT ABLE TO TAKE PLACE PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE IF WE ARE, UH, COMMITTING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD SIDE TO HAVE THIS MEETING MUCH PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING HERE, UM, IN OUR CHAMBERS, WHICH WOULD BE JULY SEVEN 14TH. JULY 14TH, WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO A POSTPONEMENT TO ALLOW THAT CONVERSATION TO TAKE PLACE? SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, INSTEAD OF THE JULY 23RD DATE, IT WOULD BE JULY 14TH. IT WOULD BE IN FRONT OF US HERE? YES. OKAY. UH, SURE. I'LL BE, WE'D BE HAPPY TO, I THINK POSTPONE IT A FEW WEEKS, UH, IF THAT HELPS THE NEIGHBORS. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND I WOULD SAY THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THESE CONVERSATIONS TEND, TEND TO HELP THESE PROJECTS AND I THINK IT'D BE ASSISTIVE TO HAVE THAT MEETING PRIOR TO HEARING THE CASE HERE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. I AGREE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER PERIAN? NONE FROM ME. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. SECOND. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. OH, MR. WAIT, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING FOR US? I BELIEVE THE STAFF JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. OBVIOUSLY IF WE DO NOT HEAR THIS CASE UNTIL JULY THE 14TH, IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GO TO COUNCIL UNTIL THE AUGUST MEETING. THANK YOU. AT CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. IT WOULD NOT MAKE JULY 23RD FOR CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL. CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION WITH THAT INFORMATION? SURE. WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, THIS WOULD PUSH YOUR CASE AT TO COUNSEL TO THE AUGUST 27TH. THANK YOU. 27TH MEETING. UM, ARE YOU STILL OKAY WITH THE POSTPONEMENT WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE? UH, HONESTLY, THAT'S A PRETTY TOUGH SPOT GOING, UH, ADDING ALMOST, UH, I BELIEVE MORE THAN TWO MONTHS TO THIS, UM, IS A WAY I CAN THINK ABOUT IT. AND, UH, LET YOU KNOW AT THE END OF THIS MEETING. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION HERE MOMENTARILY ON THIS CASE. OKAY. AND, AND, AND IF YOU, UH, DECLINE TO GO TO THAT DATE, UH, WHAT WILL BE THE OPTIONS? SO JUST PROCEDURALLY, WE WILL MAKE A MOTION TO EITHER HEAR THIS CASE TONIGHT OR POSTPONE IT AND COMMISSIONER TROJAN'S, JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, KIND OF WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON YOU AND YOUR BUSINESS IF WE POSTPONE TO OUR NEXT MEETING, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'LL BE OUR DECISION WHETHER OR NOT WE DECIDE TO POSTPONE OR HEAR THE CASE TONIGHT. OKAY. I, I THINK, UM, IN THE SPIRIT OF, UM, BEING VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS, I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND ACCEPT THE POSTPONEMENT. WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS OR WANT TO BRING FORWARD A MOTION? I'LL MOVE TO, UH, ACCEPT NEIGHBORHOOD POSTPONEMENT. CAN YOU SPECIFY THE DATE TO WHICH WE'LL POSTPONE TWO JULY 14TH. THANK YOU. LOOKING FOR A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROSN. DO WE NEED TO HAVE ANY DEBATE ON THIS ITEM? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? COMMISSIONER POWELL? JUST, JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSN SHARED AND, AND ALSO THINK THAT APPLICANT VERY MUCH, I KNOW THIS IS ADDING, YOU KNOW, GOING FROM A JULY CITY COUNCIL MEETING TO AN AUGUST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I THINK THAT MONTH DELAY IN TIMEFRAME IS GOING TO PAY DIVIDENDS FROM THE CONVERSATION WITH THESE NEIGHBORS. UM, I JUST ENCOURAGE BOTH PARTIES. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A, A REALLY EXCITING POTENTIAL CASE. I REALLY HOPE YOU'LL HAVE WONDERFUL CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 14TH. ANY COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING AGAINST THE MOTION? OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING FOR COMMISSIONER ROEN? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT I, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOU BEING AMENABLE TO THIS AND SHOWING GOOD FAITH. UM, I DO WANNA SAY THAT THE NEIGHBORS VERY MUCH WANTED TO MEET WITH YOU THIS ENTIRE TIME. THIS IS NOT A DELAY ON THEIR PART OR A LACK OF INTEREST IN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. SO, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU BEING AMENABLE TO IT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE OUTCOME OF THAT CONVERSATION. OTHER COMMISSIONER SPEAKING FOR OR AGAINST THE MOTION? OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS CASE UNTIL OUR JULY 14TH MEETING MADE BY COMMISSIONER POWELL, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROJAN. THOSE IN FAVOR, THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM AND TO OUR STAFF LIAISON. WE WILL MOVE TO [Items 2 & 3] OUR ZONING CASE, WHICH IS ITEMS TWO AND THREE, WHICH WE WILL BE TAKING UP TOGETHER. WE WILL [00:20:01] FIRST HEAR FROM STAFF ON THIS CASE. WE MEREDITH PLANNING, AUSTIN PLANNING. EXCUSE ME. ITEM NUMBER TWO IS PLAN AMENDMENT MPA 20 23 0 0 1 4 0.0 4 43 0 2 NOLES CROSSING WITHIN DISTRICT TWO. PROPERTY ADDRESSES ARE 43 0 2, 43 0 4 AND A HALF, AND 43 1 6 KNUCKS CROSSING ROAD. IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING AREA. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM SINGLE FAMILY TO MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE AND IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSION REESE MCMICHAEL AUSTIN PLANNING ITEM NUMBER THREE ON TONIGHT'S PLANNING COMMISSION. AGENDA IS CASE NUMBER C 14 20 25 0 0 6 5, LOCALLY KNOWN AS 43 0 2 KNUCKLES CROSSING. IT'S LOCATED AT 43 0 2, 43 0 4 AND AND 43 16 KNUCKLES CROSSING ROAD. THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED SF TWO CONP, AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MF THREE NP. THIS REZONING REQUEST WAS ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED AT YOUR MAY 12TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE BEING POSTPONED TO ALLOW FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING MF THREE CONP COMBINING DISTRICT ZONING WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY LIMITING THE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS TO 40. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING PATTERN AND EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES, WHILE ALSO ALLOWING FOR ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN THE AREA. THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE STAFF. RECOMMENDATION STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND, UH, AS IS THE APPLICANT WHO YOU'LL HEAR FROM NEXT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO SPEAKERS IN FAVOR OF THIS CASE. WE'LL FIRST BE HEARING FROM THE PRIMARY SPEAKER IN FAVOR, STEWART GERSTACKER. STEWART WILL BE RECEIVING FOUR MINUTES OF DONATED TIME FROM JOSHUA, JOSE. JOSHUA, ARE YOU PRESENT? STEWART? YOU'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF 14 MINUTES. COMMISSIONER WOODS, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. GOOD EVENING. I AM STUART GERSTACKER AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF LOC CONSULTANTS CIVIL DIVISION, AND WE ARE PRESENTING REZONING CASE C 14 20 25 DASH OH SIX FIVE ON BEHALF OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AT 43 0 2 KNUCKLES CROSSING ROAD, MRS. KATE WALKER. WE ARE SEEKING TO CHANGE THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY FROM SF TWO CONP TO MF THREE NP AND WE'RE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS CASE AT THE MAY 12 PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING, WE DEMONSTRATED THAT OUR PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CITY OF AUSTIN POLICY AND THAT STAFF RECOMMENDS THE ZONING CHANGE TO MF THREE CO DASH MP AT THE MAY 12TH HEARING. THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED THAT THEY HAVE SAFETY CONCERNS ABOUT THE KNUCKLES CROSSING ROADWAY BEING TOO NARROW AND SO FORTH. WE WERE THEN TASKED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WORK OUT THOSE SAFETY ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM. UM, IF YOU COULD PUT UP, UH, EXHIBIT A, PLEASE. OKAY. THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING CONDITION OF KNUCKLES CROSSING ROAD AND THE, UH, PROPERTY. AND THAT BIG GREEN STRIP INDICATES WHERE WE'RE PLANNING ON GIVING A 20 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION TO THE CITY. AND THEN JUST TO THE RIGHT OF THE GREEN STRIP, THERE'S A GRAY AREA THAT INDICATES, UH, LET'S SEE, A PROPOSED EIGHT EIGHTY FIVE, EIGHTY FIVE HUNDRED AND FORTY SIX SQUARE FOOT OF ROADWAY EXPANSION, WHICH IS GONNA BE NECESSARY IN ORDER TO INSTALL A, UH, DECELERATION AND RIGHT TURN LANE, AND THEN ALSO A LEFT TURN LANE. UH, COULD YOU PLEASE EX, UH, TAKE THAT ONE DOWN AND PUT UP EXHIBIT B? OKAY. EXHIBIT B DEMONSTRATES THAT WITH THE 20 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY DE UH, DEDICATION, THERE'S ROOM TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK THAT'S WELL REMOVED FROM THE, UH, FROM THE EDGE OF THE ROADWAY, POTENTIALLY A BICYCLE BRIDGE OVER THE CREEK. POTENTIALLY THE SIDEWALK COULD COME UP AND SHARE THE EXISTING ROADWAY BRIDGE. UM, ALSO WE RECOMMEND THAT THE SPEED LIMIT AROUND THE CURVE ON KNUCKLES CROSSING BE CHANGED TO 25 MILES AN HOUR FROM 35 MILES AN HOUR, BECAUSE THE INSIDE RADIUS OF CURVATURE ON THE ROADWAY [00:25:01] IS ONLY 382 FEET. AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA, MANUAL TABLE THREE 10 FOR A 30 MILE AN HOUR ROAD, YOU NEED 525 FEET MINIMUM INSIDE RADIUS. AND SO 350 FEET MINIMUM INSIDE RADIUS IS WELL WITHIN WHAT'S, WHAT'S THERE. AND 25 MILES AN HOUR WOULD DEFINITELY MAKE THAT A SAFE RETURN. UM, AND COULD YOU PUT UP EXHIBIT THREE PLEASE? OKAY. THIS IS A CLOSEUP SHOWING THE BEFORE AND AFTER WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING UP ON TOP. IN THE BEFORE YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S, UH, UH, JUST TWO LANES, BASICALLY, UH, NORTH, SOUTH LANES ON KNUCKLES CROSSING ROAD. AND THEN IN THE AFTER IMAGE YOU CAN SEE THAT BOTH OF THOSE LANES WILL BE PRESERVED AS THROUGH LANES. WE'RE PROPOSING A 416 FOOT DECELERATION AND RIGHT TURN LANE UP TO THE EDGE OF OUR PROPERTY, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LONGER THAN THE 204.77 FOOT DECELERATION LANE THAT THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS HAVE ALREADY HAD APPROVED. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING TO EXTEND OUT THE LEFT TURN LANE SO THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM NOT ONLY FOR PEOPLE MAKING A LEFT TURN COMING INTO THE PROPERTY, BUT ALSO FOR PEOPLE MAKING A LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF THE PROPERTY. THERE'S PLENTY OF STORAGE SPACE NOW, UH, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT THIS AND THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THIS. UM, WE PROVIDED E EXHIBITS, THESE EXHIBITS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM AND WE MET WITH, UH, LAUREL FRAN VIA ZOOM ON FRIDAY, JUNE 5TH. SHE INDICATED DURING THIS MEETING THAT SHE LIKES THIS PLAN AND WOULD LOVE FOR THIS PLAN TO BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA A LOT SAFER. UH, IF YOU COULD PLEASE DISPLAY, UH, THE ZOOM VIDEO CLIP ONE. ALL RIGHT. UM, THIS IS, THIS IS A GOOD PLAN THAT WOULD SOLVE PROBLEMS. HOWEVER, A BIG PART OF IT IS ON THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO DO THINGS RIGHT. WHAT I WANNA KNOW IS, HAS THE CITY OF AUSTIN AGREED TO DO THOSE THINGS? UH, I'VE, I'VE, OKAY, SO SHE'S INDICATED THAT SHE'S, SHE'S, SHE'S HAPPY WITH THE DESIGN AND HER CONCERN IS WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? WHICH IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO GET WORKED OUT AT THE SITE PLAN LEVEL, NOT AT THE ZONING LEVEL. UH, IF YOU COULD PLAY VIDEO CLIP TWO, PLEASE. UH, I'VE, I'VE USED THIS ROAD FOR OVER 40 YEARS AND I'VE BEEN TO MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY CITY MEETINGS ABOUT DOING IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS. YOUR PROPOSAL IS THE BEST OPTION I'VE SEEN. HOWEVER, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY HAS ABSOLUTELY AT THIS POINT, NO MONEY, NO INTENT TO DO CONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA. SO, TO HER ISSUES WHAT, AGAIN, HAVE NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SAFETY, SHE'S JUST CONCERNED WITH WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR WHAT. AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT AT THE, UH, SITE PLAN LEVEL. AND IF YOU COULD PLAY THE THIRD, THIRD ZOOM CLIP, PLEASE. AS I SAID, I LIKE THIS PLAN. I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS PLAN TO BE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE THIS, UH, WHOLE AREA A LOT SAFER FROM THIS, FROM THE CITY. UH, THE WHOEVER'S HERE FROM THE CITY, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? OKAY. BUT IN SPITE OF OUR HAVING ADDRESSED THEIR SAFETY CONCERNS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM STILL OPPOSES REZONING. WE MET FACE TO FACE WITH LAURA FRAN AND THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM ON MONDAY, JUNE 8TH. JUNE 8TH, EXCUSE ME, DANIELLE WITH TRANSPORTATION. AND SOPHIA MORALES WITH ENT, VANESSA FUENTES OFFICE WERE BOTH IN ATTENDANCE AT THIS MEETING. DURING THAT MEETING, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM REMAINED OPPOSED TO THE ZONING CHANGE AND JUST KEPT QUIBBLING WITH US ABOUT NONSENSE ISSUES THAT HAVE NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SAFETY. IT WAS A VERY FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE WHEN PRESSED, THEY FINALLY ADMITTED THAT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS OR ANY OTHER ISSUES BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED AT ALL. OKAY. WHICH IS DISHONORABLE BECAUSE THEY'VE REPRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT SAFETY IS THE ISSUE THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH. AND THEY'VE ADMITTED TO US THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT AT ALL. THEY JUST DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY DEVELOPED. UH, SO THEY'VE DISHONORED THEMSELVES. THEY SAID IT WAS ALL ABOUT SAFETY, BUT THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT TRUE SINCE WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL THE NECESSARY CITY OF AUSTIN POLICIES AND CODES AND SO FORTH. AND SINCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM HAS SAID THAT THIS PROJECT WOULD MAKE THE AREA A LOT SAFER AND STAFF AGREES, WE HEREBY RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION GRANT OUR REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IN FAVOR IS KATE WALKER. KATE, YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES. [00:30:07] KATE WALKER. OKAY. MOVING FORWARD TO OUR SPEAKERS AND OPPOSITION. WE'LL FIRST BE HEARING FROM OUR PRIMARY SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION, ANA PADILLA. SHE'LL BE JOINING US VIRTUALLY. ANA, YOU'LL HAVE 10 MINUTES. UM, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ANNA PADIA. I AM REPRESENTING MCDOWELL HOUSING PARTNERS, THE DEVELOPER AND OWNER OF ECOS CITY HEIGHTS, LOCATED AT 4,400 NOLES CROSSING ROAD, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. I AM HERE THIS EVENING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE AGENDA ITEMS NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE. OUR, OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS A EQUAL ACCESS. THE PROPOSED SITE AT 43 0 2 NOLES CROSSING IS LOCATED ON A CURB ALONG THE ROAD THAT IS ALREADY IN NEED OF IMPROVEMENT. SHY DISTANCE OF A CURB IS VERY LIMITED. AND INTRODUCING A NEW DRIVEWAY IN THIS LOCATION CREATES AN UNSAFE CONDITION FOR BOTH VEHICLES TURNING IN AND OUT OF THE SITE. AND FOR TRAVELING ON NOLES CROSSING, I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW THE ATTENTION TO THE STANDARDS. THE CITY APPLIED TO MCDOWELL HOUSING PARTNERS. WHEN WE DEVELOP ECO CITY HEIGHTS, THE CITY REQUIRES THAT OUR DRIVEWAY ACCESS DEPOSITION AS FAR SOUTH AS POSSIBLE TO MAXIMIZE SEPARATION FROM THAT SAME CURVE. EVEN WITH THAT ACCOMMODATION, WE WERE REQUIRED TO FUND SIGNIFICANT OFFITE ROAD IMPROVEMENT AS A CONDITION OF PERMITTING, INCLUDING A DECELERATION LANE AND ROAD WIDENING AT OUR EXPENSE. THE APPLICANT'S ON ROADWAY EXHIBIT REVEALED SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT DEFICIENCIES IN THEIR PROPOSED PLAN. THE PLAN PROPOSES TO STRAIGHTEN AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALONG NOLES CROSSING, BUT A WATER MEETING AND BOLT LOCATED IN THAT DRIVE OF WAY PHYSICALLY PREVENT THIS FROM BEING ACCOMPLISHED. AS SHOWN, THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY DESIGN REQUIRES A TURNING RADIO THAT EXTEND BEYOND THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY FRONTAGE, WHICH IS NOT ACHIEVABLY WITHIN THEIR OWNERSHIP. THE CURVE AT HAS A MEASURING INSIDE TURNING RADIO OF 382 FEET. UM, PER THE CITY OF AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA, MANUAL TABLE THREE 10 A 30 MILE PER HOUR ROAD REQUIRES A MINIMUM HORIZONTAL RADIO OF 525 FEET. THE APPLICANT'S OWN EXHIBIT ACKNOWLEDGE THIS EFFICIENCY BY PROPOSING A SPEED LIMIT REDUCTION TO 25 MILES PER HOUR, WHICH ITSELF REQUIRED A MINIMUM RADIO OF 350 FEET. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SHIFT THE MAJORITY OF THE REQUIRED INFRASTRUCTURE COST TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN, INCLUDING, UM, FIVE EIGHT 8,543 SQUARE FEET OF ROLLWAY EXPANSION ON KNUCKLES CROSSING, UM, THE BICYCLE BRIDGE AND THE INSTALLATION ON THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNAGE. WHEN MHP DEVELOPED CITY HEIGHTS, WE WERE REQUIRED TO FUND ALL OFFSIDE IMPROVEMENT AT OUR OWN EXPENSE. THE CITY, UH, THE CONS SHOULD APPLY THE SAME STANDARDS HERE, UH, WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. WE HAVE THE REQUISITE EXPERIENCE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINT IN THIS CORRIDOR DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF ECO CITY HIGH ON THE EJECTION PER PARCEL. WE WERE UNABLE TO UTILIZE THE WORK WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES IN THE AREA WHICH MATERIALLY REDUCED OUR DEVELOPER FOOTPRINT. LOOKING AT A MAP OF 43 0 2 NOLES CROSSING SIMILAR ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES APPEAR TO BE SCATTERED DIAGONALLY ACROSS THE SIDE. WHILE WE UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT DOES NOT PROPOSE TO DISTURB THESE FEATURES, THEIR PRESENT RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE SITE IS ACTUALLY BILLABLE AND WHETHER THE PROPOSED DENSITY IS ACHIEVABLE. UM, WE RESPECTFULLY, UH, REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DECIDE THE ZONING CASE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. OUR NEXT SPEAKER AND OPPOSITION IS LAUREL FRAN. LAUREL WILL BE RECEIVING FOUR MINUTES OF DONATED TIME FROM JOHN SERMON. JOHN, ARE YOU PRESENT? LAUREL, [00:35:01] YOU'LL HAVE FOUR MINUTES, OR MY APOLOGIES, YOU'LL HAVE EIGHT MINUTES. COMMISSIONERS, I'M LAUREL FRAN REPRESENTING THE SOUTHEAST COMBINED NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM LOS ARBUS AND KENSINGTON PARK. LOS ARBUS AND KENSINGTON PARK ARE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SIT ON EITHER SIDE OF THE SHARP CURVE AT EAST ST. ELMO AND KNUCKLES CROSSING. WE ARE OPPOSING THE REZONING OF 43 0 2 KNUCKLES CROSSING BASED ON TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS AT THE MAY 12TH PLANNING COMMISSION. WE REFERRED TO THE PLAN THAT A, THAT THE APPLICANT'S TEAM HAD SENT US FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WOULD SUPPORT A SAFE DRIVEWAY ON KNUCKLES CROSSING. I STATED THAT THE PLAN WAS GOOD, BUT IT IS UNREALISTIC BECAUSE IT RELIED ON THE CITY TO DO THE WORK AND PAY FOR THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. THIS COMMISSION DIRECTED US TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT PLAN. AND SINCE THEN WE'VE MET THREE MORE TIMES. THE MEETINGS HAVE INCLUDED DANIELLE MORIN, PROJECT MANAGER WITH THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND SOPHIA MORALES WITH DISTRICT TWO, WHO BOTH VERIFIED THAT THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO IMPROVE KNUCKLES CROSSING TO SUPPORT THE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. THE DEVELOPER OF THAT LAND WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING TRAFFIC SAFETY WHERE THAT PROPERTY IS LOCATED. THE APPLICANT HAS TOLD US THAT SHE WON'T BE THE ONE DEVELOPING THIS PROPERTY. SHE WANTS TO SELL IT AND LET SOMEONE ELSE DEVELOP IT, REZONING IT AS MULTIFAMILY WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MAKE MORE MONEY FROM THE PROPERTY, BUT IT WOULD NOT PROVIDE ANY GUARANTEE OF TRAFFIC SAFETY. OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS TRAFFIC SAFETY BUILT INTO ANY PLAN FOR A DEVELOPMENT AT THAT PROPERTY. WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT NORMALLY A DRIVEWAY AND TRAFFIC CONCERNS WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE SITE PLAN AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED WHY WE'RE ADDRESSING IT DURING THE REZONING HEARING. WE NEIGHBORS WON'T HAVE ANY SAY ON THE SITE PLAN. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TAKE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUE INTO ACCOUNT. AT THIS STEP OF THE PROCESS, A COUPLE COMMISSIONERS HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS SHARP CORNER OF EAST ST. ELMO AND KNUCKLES CROSSING AND UNDERSTAND HOW DANGEROUS IT IS FOR DRIVERS AND BIKE RIDERS. WE ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DENY THIS REQUEST FOR REZONING. THERE IS NO REASON FOR REZONING IT AT THIS TIME. THE APPLICANT CAN SELL THAT PROPERTY AS IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, AND IF WHOEVER BUYS IT DECIDES TO APPLY FOR MULTI-FAMILY REZONING, WE CAN WORK WITH THEM THEN TO ENSURE TRAFFIC SAFETY FOR ALL DRIVERS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE'LL NOW BE HEARING FROM THE APPLICANT FOR A FOUR MINUTE REBUTTAL. OKAY. WE WERE TASKED AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT WE CAME TO WITH DEALING WITH THE SAFETY ISSUES ON THIS PROJECT. AND WE'VE DEALT WITH THOSE SAFETY ISSUES AND THE, THE ZOOM FOOTAGE I SHOWED EVEN INDICATES THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH THE SAFETY ISSUES, BUT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ECHOS COMING IN OPPOSING THE PROJECT AND THEY OBVIOUSLY OPPOSE THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE COMPETITION BECAUSE WE HAVE ENOUGH MUCH NICER PIECE OF LAND THAN THEY HAVE. UM, HANG ON A SECOND HERE. COULD YOU PUT EXHIBIT, UH, UH, B BACK UP ON THE SCREEN PLEASE? OKAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE RAISING ISSUES ABOUT STRAIGHTENING OUT THE SIDEWALK THAT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE ZONING. THAT WAS JUST A SUGGESTION TO SHOW HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THIS. I DON'T SEE HOW HAVING A WATER METER WITH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE WATER METER IS INSIDE OF A CEMENT, UH, UH, CANISTER IN THE GROUND THAT'S STRONG ENOUGH THAT YOU COULD PARK A FIRETRUCK ON TOP OF IT. UH, AND SO IF THE SIDEWALK WERE TO RUN OVER THE TOP OR WHETHER WEREN'T TO RUN OVER THE TOP, I DON'T SEE THAT THAT'S EVEN RELEVANT. AS FAR AS THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, THE WAY I HAVE THIS EXHIBIT SHOWN, THE EDGE OF THE DRIVEWAY APRON ACTUALLY COMES ACROSS THE EDGE OF WHERE OUR PROPERTY LINE IS. AND IN ORDER TO CORRECT THAT, THE DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO BE SHIFTED UP ABOUT 16 FEET. AND I'VE INDICATED THERE'S A 335 INTERSECTION SITE DISTANCE FROM THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY APRON, AND I'VE SHOWN THE DOTTED LINES WHERE THE, WHERE THAT WOULD END UP MOVING TO. AND IT'S STILL WELL WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE DRIVERS WILL STILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. [00:40:01] AND YOU KNOW, THE THING THAT I FIND REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THIS IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS OVER AT, UH, ECHO CITY HEIGHTS HAVE COME IN CHIMED IN, UH, INDICATING THAT THEY'RE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT AND THEY'RE BRINGING UP THE EXACT SAME ISSUES THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM WAS BRINGING UP WITH US DURING OUR NEGOTIATIONS. AND I GET THIS REALLY FUNNY FEELING LIKE ECHOS IS OFFERING THE NEIGHBORHOOD TEAM MONEY TO OPPOSE THIS, THIS ZONING CHANGE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DISCLOSED THAT THEY'RE ACTING AS AN AGENT OF ECHOS. THEY'VE DISCLOSED THAT THEY'RE ACTING AS A, AS AN AGENT FOR THE NEIGHBORS. UH, PAST ENGINEERING STUDIES HAVE INDICATED THAT THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT THERE'S NO SIDEWALK. THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS THAT ARE SERVED BY SOME OF THE STUDENTS HAVE TO WALK AROUND THAT TURN TO GET TO THE ELEMENTARY, INTO THE MIDDLE SCHOOL UP THE ROAD OF MENDEZ IS ONE OF THE SCHOOLS. UM, I REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY WOULD OPPOSE THIS PROJECT UNLESS THEY WERE DOING IT FOR MONETARY REASONS. AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING SAFETY ISSUES IS ABSURD. THE, THE DECELERATION AND RIGHT TURN LANE IS DESIGNED FOR A 30 MILE AN HOUR STREET, WHICH EVEN THOUGH THAT'S AN EXCESSIVE SPEED, WHEN YOU LOOK AT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOW LONG OUR DECELERATION IS COMPARED TO THE TINY LITTLE ONE THAT WAS SUFFICIENT FOR ECHOS, I I REALLY CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PEOPLE WOULD COME IN AND PRETEND LIKE SAFETY IS AN ACTUAL ISSUE. AND IN THE REALITY, MONEY IS AN ISSUE. ECHOS DOESN'T WANT US TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THE COMPETITION. AND I HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE AND DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'VE OFFERED COMPENSATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IN ORDER TO, IN ORDER TO HELP THEM BLOCK THIS PROJECT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CONFORMED WITH ALL THE CITY CODES AND ALL THE CITY POLICIES, THE LANDOWNER IS ENTITLED TO EQUAL TREATMENT. AND JUST BECAUSE THE, OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS THIS, YOU KNOW, HUGE CORPORATION HEADQUARTERED IN FLORIDA, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT. I MEAN, MY ATTITUDE IS, SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT EVEN HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH SAFETY. IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH POLICY. IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH CODE. IT'S JUST AN EXCUSE TO TRY TO BLOCK THIS PROJECT. NOW THE OWNER OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN REZONING FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS AND SHE'S ALREADY $90,000 OUT OF POCKET. MR. ECKER, THAT'S YOUR TIME, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY AT THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE SOME COMM I'M SORRY. ONE MORE TIME. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY AT THE MICROPHONE BECAUSE SOME COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU DURING OUR ROUND. ROBIN, YOU WANT ME TO STAY HERE? YES, PLEASE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S TAKE A VOTE TO CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING. LOOKING FOR A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GANNON. SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER TROJAN. WITHOUT OBJECTION, THAT ITEM PASSES. WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR ROUND ROBIN ON THIS ITEM. SO I HAVE SLOTS FOR EIGHT COMMISSIONERS AT FIVE MINUTES EACH. COMMISSIONER GANNON, PLEASE START US OFF. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE. SO WE SAW A PROPOSAL HERE FOR, UH, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE KNUCKLES CROSSING TURN THERE THAT INCLUDED A LARGER DECELERATION LANE, UH, SIDEWALKS, UM, AND UH, A SLOWER TRAFFIC SPEED IS, IS AND I AM, AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, UH, THE CITY, UH, DOES NOT HAVE ANY PLANS TO IMPLEMENT THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? UH, YES. SORRY, TRANSPORTATION. SORRY, THIS IS FOR TRANSPORTATION. WELL, IT, I WOULD SAY IT'S FOR UH, IT IS FOR TRANSPORTATION, BUT YOU MIGHT WANNA STAY UP THERE 'CAUSE I PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR YOU AS WELL. APOLOGIES. COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? SURE. UM, I GUESS FROM FROM TRANSPORTATION, WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR KNUCKLES CROSSING FROM THE CITY'S SIDE? GOTCHA. SO DANIELLE MOORE IN TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, THERE WAS, UM, A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT THAT WAS DONE A FEW YEARS AGO, WHICH DID OUTLINE SOME IMPROVEMENTS FOR KNUCKLES CROSSING. UM, WHICH INCLUDE A SHARED USE PATH, SOME WIDENING OF THE ROADWAY. UM, HOWEVER THERE IS NO FUNDING TIED TO THAT. UM, SO WE HAVE THAT AS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY UNDERSTANDS IS NEEDED IN THIS AREA. BUT THERE IS NO CURRENT FUNDING ALLOCATED FOR THAT PROJECT. OKAY. REALISTICALLY, IS THERE, IS THERE ANY DATE THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT IT BY? UM, I I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN IT. I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A FUTURE BOND PROJECT. OKAY. AND, UM, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN THAT TURN, UH, HAS A RADIUS THAT'S TOO SMALL FOR THE SPEEDS THAT ARE ALLOWED ON THE, ON THE STREET, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SLOW THE TRAFFIC DOWN JUST BY UH, REDUCING THE [00:45:01] SPEED LIMIT THERE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR A BOND? NO, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT FOR A BOND. UM, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE CITY DID REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT FIVE MILES PER HOUR A YEAR OR TWO AGO. UM, THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN SPEED MANAGEMENT TO LOWER. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE DO IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE TIED TO A DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. UM, CITIZENS CALLING 3 1 1 DEFINITELY HELP. SO WE GET THOSE SERVICE REQUESTS, UM, YES, SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT. AND WE RECEIVED A, UM, A REPORT FOR THE CRASHES AT KNUCKLES CROSSING. UH, JUST READING THROUGH IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS A HIGH FREQUENCY AREA FOR CRASHES AND IT LOOKS LIKE CARS JUST DRIVING STRAIGHT OFF THE CURVE. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT, IS IT A HIGHER THAN NORMAL? I DON'T READ A LOT OF CRASH REPORTS, SO JUST READING THIS ONE I WAS, I WAS PRETTY AGHAST. YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DID NOT SEE, UM, A CRASH REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED FOR BACKUP, BUT, SO I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS HIGHER THAN OTHER AREAS, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN WITH THE NEIGHBORS. THERE'S 12 CRASH REPORTS HERE, INCLUDING, UM, UH, THERE ARE SOME WITH SEVEN INJURIES, THREE INJURIES, THERE'S ONE WITH ONE INJURY. UM, AND THIS IS LOOKING BACK AS EARLY AS, UH, FEBRUARY OF 2010. SO IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO ME, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A LOT BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT DATA WOULD HELP. LIKE I SAID, THE MORE REQUESTS FROM CITIZENS WE GET TO LOWER SPEED LIMITS, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S TIED TO DATA WOULD HELP. UM, BUT AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE TIED TO THIS SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. AND THEN I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, AND I APOLOGIZE, I FORGET YOUR NAME. UH, THE STAFF IN CHARGE OF THIS REZONING . SO, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN BY THE APPLICANT THAT, UM, WOULD FALL ON THE CITY'S SHOULDERS AS PROPOSED. IS THERE A WAY TO ATTACH THOSE REQUIREMENTS TO A REZONING SO THAT ANYONE WHO DID WANNA DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO INSTALL THE SIDEWALK, WIDEN THE STREET AND UNDERTAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE, UH, WERE SHOWN AS A SUGGESTION BY THE APPLICANT? UH, SOME OF THE, UM, DISCUSSION AROUND TRANSPORTATION AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND SUCH NIGHT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE FEATURED IN A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. UM, I THINK THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YEAH, YEAH, THAT DOES. SO, SO ESSENTIALLY THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE SAW ARE A SUGGESTION FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, FOR WORK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE CITY. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, I, I'M NOT AWARE OF IF ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD'VE TO BE DONE BY THE CITY. UH, BUT THEY WOULD GENERALLY BE WORKED OUT AT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW STAGE. OKAY. OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS COMMISSIONER GANNON, OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? YES. COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE? YES. UH, QUESTION FOR A TD OR TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORK STAFF, I GUESS OF IT'S AROUND THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. IF WE CAN JUST STEP THROUGH WHEN A SITE PLAN IS SUBMITTED, UH, TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW IT AND PROVIDE COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THE SITE PLAN IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL. IS THAT THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. MY UNDERSTANDING? CORRECT, YES. WHEN A SITE PLAN IS FILED, IT COMES TO OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, WE REVIEW IT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIES WITH THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL AND ANY, UH, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, TRANSPORTATION ITEMS AND THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. WOULD Y'ALL ISSUE THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT OR THE APPROVAL FOR THE DRIVEWAY LOCATION? CORRECT. AND ANY OTHER OF ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER THAT'S A RIGHT TURN DECELERATION LANE OR LEFT TURN LANE, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN COMMENTS? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND IF THEY'RE PART OF THE SITE PLAN COMMENTS OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OF, UH, WOULD BE NECESSARY. RIGHT. AND AND HOW DOES THE FUNDING BETWEEN, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICANT AND THE CITY, UH, IF YOU COULD DISCUSS HOW THAT WORKS, IS THIS SUBJECT TO ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY? HOW ARE WE, HOW WOULD WE, HOW WOULD WE ADJUDICATE WHO PAYS FOR WHAT IF IT'S IN THE SITE PLAN? HELLO, MY NAME'S JUAN VALERA, SUPERVISING ENGINEER. SO AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN WE WOULD RUN ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY. UM, WE, UH, THERE IS, THIS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE STREET IMPACT FEE AND AT THAT TIME THAT WOULD BE CALCULATED [00:50:01] AND ANY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE DEVELOPER, UH, WANTED TO BUILD WOULD BE TAKEN OUT OF THAT STREET IMPACT FEE AS A CREDIT. AND SO WE WOULD WORK IT OUT AT THAT TIME. IF IMPROVEMENTS ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO BUILD THE SITE WITHOUT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS? UH, IN OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S A TURN, TURN LANE IS NECESSARY MM-HMM . UH, AND THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, THE IMPLICATION IS THAT TURN LANE WILL BE BUILT WITH THE SITE. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE? YEAH, I GUESS I HAVE A COUPLE MORE. UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A SPEED PROBLEM. I KNOW I DON'T WANNA DIVE TOO MUCH INTO ENGINEERING 'CAUSE WE'RE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS HERE, NOT ENGINEERS, BUT OF, I'M CURIOUS IF CITY STAFF HAS LOOKED AT OTHER WAYS TO REDUCE THE TRAVEL SPEEDS THROUGH THAT CURVE OR ALTERNATIVE INTERSECTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT MIGHT MITIGATE SOME OF THE RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH LEFT TURNING VEHICLES. IE LIKE HAS ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT BUILDING A ROUNDABOUT AS A MEASURE OF, YOU KNOW, TO IMPROVE ACCESS AND SPEED CONTROL AND ADDRESS SOME OF THESE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE HIGH SPEED VEHICLES AND THE TURNS? I'M CURIOUS IF THERE'S BEEN ANY THOUGHT TO THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT ORIGINAL, UM, PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT WAS AN EFFORT TO DO THAT, TO LOOK AT THIS AREA AND IDENTIFY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED FOR SAFETY AND MOBILITY. UM, BUT SPECIFIC, LIKE TO A ROUNDABOUT OR SPECIFIC TO ADJACENT TO THIS SITE, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING HAS BEEN DONE. AGAIN, NOTHING HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. WE'RE JUST AT THE ZONING STAGE. UM, BUT ANY FUTURE, LIKE I SAID, ANY FUTURE BOND PROJECTS, UM, AS WE, AS OUR STREET IMPACT FEE PROGRAM EVOLVES, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT. UM, AND AGAIN, THE DATA THAT WE HAVE ON FILE HELPS INFORM THOSE FUTURE PLANS. UM, BUT AGAIN, ADJACENT TO THE SITE AND SITE SPECIFIC, UM, THOSE ANALYSES HAVE NOT BEEN BEEN RUN. OKAY. I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS RELATED TO THE ABILITY OF PROVIDING A SAFE DRIVEWAY ACCESS OF IF WE MEET THE TRANSPORTATION CRITERIA MANUAL AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES ON THE SITE PLAN THEN OF IF THERE ARE A REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T BUILD A DRIVEWAY. SO I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WHEN THE SITE IS SUBMITTED, IF IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE TCM AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEN YEAH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT. WE WOULD MOST LIKELY APPROVE IF IT FOLLOWS CODE, UM, AND IF WE FEEL THAT IT COULD OPERATE SAFELY. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED THAT DEEPLY INTO THE SITE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE SITE PLANNING QUESTION. EXACTLY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANKS COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE, OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER BREIRA RAMIREZ. MY QUESTION IS, UH, FOLLOWING UP ON, UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN AND THE STREET IMPACT FEE. SO IF, UM, AS YOU SAY IN THE SITE PLAN AND PER THE TCMA DECELERATION LANE IS REQUIRED TO, UM, TO HAVE A SAFE DRIVEWAY, UM, WOULD THE COST TO CONSTRUCT THE DECELERATION LANE BE REMOVED FROM THE STREET IMPACT FEE OR IS THAT ADDITIONAL UH, ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY THAT'S REMOVED? THAT'S CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE FEE THAT COST WOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE STREET IMPACT FEE. SO IT WOULD BE GIVEN AS A CREDIT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. BUT BUT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BUILD IT BECAUSE IT'S THE SAFE RIGHT THING TO DO, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND JUST IT, IT, THIS IS IN THE ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY CF. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS COMMISSIONER BAR RAMIREZ. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES, COMMISSIONER ROJAN. I THINK THIS BEARS REITERATING BECAUSE I THINK IT GETS TO THE HEART OF WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ASKING AND WHAT THE NEIGHBORS ARE ASKING. IF A DRIVEWAY IN THIS LOCATION IS DEEMED UNSAFE AND A TURNING LANE IS REQUIRED TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THIS, IS IT FEASIBLE THAT THIS PROJECT IS BUILT WITHOUT THAT IMPROVEMENT BEING MADE? CAN THIS PROJECT BE BUILT WITH THE CITY AND THE OWNER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND US ALL KNOWING THIS IS AN UNSAFE CONDITION? IS IT POSSIBLE FOR THIS BUILDING TO STILL BE BUILT AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS NOT COMPLETED? I THINK WHEN WE DO REVIEW THIS, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT SAFETY AND WE WOULDN'T ALLOW AN UNSAFE [00:55:01] SITUATION TO, TO GO FORWARD. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS IF, IF IT IS DEEMED AN UNSAFE CONDITION AS IT IS TODAY, IF IT'S DE DEEMED THAT IT'S A SAFE CONDITION WITH THIS MODIFICATION, THAT WOULD BE A REQUIREMENT OF THE CFO FOR THIS PROPERTY? THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY ONLY QUESTION. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS, I'LL JUST PICK UP ON THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING AND I'M SORRY IF IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE ASKING THE SAME QUESTION OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT I THINK IT REALLY DOES GET AT OUR DECISION MAKING AROUND THIS. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY ASPECT OF THIS. SO IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THIS ROAD IS ALREADY UNSAFE AND PERHAPS THIS ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY IS CONTRIBUTING TO THAT UNSAFE CONDITION, BUT PART OF WHAT IT MAKES THE ROAD UNSAFE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND SO THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME PART OF THAT IMPROVEMENT FEE, BUT THE CITY HAS NO MONEY EARMARKED FOR THAT. HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS INSTANCE? I DID RUN A PRELIMINARY ROUGH PROPORTIONALITY FOR THIS AND IN THE CALCULATIONS IT LOOKED LIKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE BUILT, UM, WOULD BE ABLE TO BE REQUESTED BY US. UM, THAT WAS WITH A, UH, NO REAL FINALIZED DESIGN, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A COMFORTABLE, UH, MARGIN THAT IT COULD GET BUILT. SO THERE IS POTENTIALLY MONEY THAT COULD COVER THE CITY'S PORTION OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO IMPROVE KNUCKLES CROSSING TO MAKE IT SAFE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT? CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, IF NOT, I'M LOOKING FOR MOTION. I'M SO SORRY MR. ACKER FOR KEEPING YOU UP HERE. I, I THOUGHT WE MIGHT HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. LOOKING FOR A MOTION MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE MOTION. I RECOMMEND STAFF APPROVAL. OTHER, UH, LOOKING FOR SECOND, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER AHMED. WE WILL MOVE INTO DEBATE FOR THIS MOTION. COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION? UH, JUST, JUST BRIEFLY. I THINK THAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO, UH, YOU KNOW, REFLECT ON THE ZONING CHANGE FOR THIS PROJECT AND I THINK THE CONDITIONS OF THAT ZONING CHANGE THROUGH THE STAFF'S REPORT RIGHT HAVE BEEN MET AND IT'S AN ACCEPTABLE CHANGE. I THINK AS ALWAYS, IT'S GOOD THAT WE ARE BUILDING MORE HOUSING IN AUSTIN AND UH, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO MAYBE DON'T LIKE MORE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSING, BUT IT IS STILL OUR MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR US TO DO THAT. THERE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE WORKED THROUGH, AROUND ACCESS CLEARLY, BUT I KNOW THAT, UH, THAT IS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR CRITERIA MANUALS AND WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. THANKS, COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE, ANY COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING AGAINST THE MOTION? I, I'M, I AM GONNA TAKE A, AN AGAINST SLOT. I'M VERY CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS CASE. I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE THAT THESE ARE GENERALLY ISSUES THAT ARE SORTED OUT AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. I CERTAINLY TRUST OUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF TO ENSURE THAT ANY SITE PLANS THAT MOVE FORWARD WITHIN THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE SAFE. I'M SO UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS DRIVEWAY LOCATION ON THIS STREET THAT WE ALL AGREE IS OBJECTIVELY DANGEROUS AND I WAS READY TO OPPOSE THIS CASE. AND THEN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE, THERE IS FUNDING POTENTIALLY TO MAKE ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD LIKE TO SEE TO KNUCKLES CROSSING CHANGES THINGS. I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS. UH, I'LL, I'LL LOOK FOR OTHER SPEAKERS FOR OR AGAINST, UH, COMMISSIONER PEREIRA RAMIREZ. I'LL SPEAK FOR, I MEAN, I THINK THE, JUST TO CLARIFY MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, WHEN THE SITE PLAN GOES THROUGH, STAFF WILL REVIEW AND CONSIDER KNUCKLES CROSSING IN ITS CURRENT STATE AS AN EXISTING CONDITION, WHICH MEANS THE DESIGN HAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXISTING CURVE. IT'S ALREADY KNUCKLES CROSSING. THIS PORTION OF KNUCKLES CROSSING IS IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S ROADWAY CAPACITY PLAN FOR WIDENING. SO MEETING THE WIDENING IS SOMETHING THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO DO AS PART OF THEIR SITE PLAN, AND THAT WIDENING WOULD MAKE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE DECELERATION LANE, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT SAFE. SO I THINK THE, THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS COMING FROM THE DEVELOPMENT WOULDN'T, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE FUNDING. [01:00:01] IT WOULD COME DIRECTLY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY WOULD HAVE, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO WIDEN AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BUILD A DECELERATION LANE TO MAKE THE DRIVEWAY SAFE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION. IS, IS MY UNDERSTANDING FOR, SO FOR THAT REASON, I'M VOTING FOR IT. THANKS, COMMISSIONER BREWER, RAMIREZ. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER SPEAKING AGAINST ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING FOR COMMISSIONER AHMED? YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE, UH, THAT SAFETY IS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE FOR EVERYONE HERE ON THE COMMISSION. AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF THE NEED FOR MORE HOUSING OBVIOUSLY AND SOME OF THE MERITS OF THIS PROJECT, THAT'S WHERE ALL OF THE QUESTIONING REALLY WAS, UH, FOCUSED ON. AND UH, TO ME IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS WON'T BE ABLE TO BE CONSTRUCTED UNTIL THOSE SPECIFIC, UH, SAFETY CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED DURING SITE PLAN AND THE FACT THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CITY FUNDS COMING IN. AND THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE IS EVEN WITHOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS A VERY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION. WE WENT THROUGH THE REPORT, THERE'S BEEN A HUGE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS THERE OVER THE LAST, UH, WHAT, 12 YEARS, 13 YEARS OR SO. AND SO IF THIS IS THE CATALYST THAT CAUSES US TO HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, THAT'S ANOTHER BIG PLUS BECAUSE IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE'RE NOT GONNA SEE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS ROADWAY UNTIL THERE'S A BOND. SO IT MAY, UH, IT MAY BE EVEN WORSE IN SOME WAYS, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S NO CATALYST TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENT. THANK YOU. THANKS COMMISSIONER AHMED, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING AGAINST OR JUST WANNA VERBALLY STRUGGLE WITH THIS? COMMISSIONER GANNON? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL VERBALLY STRUGGLE WITH THIS 'CAUSE I WAS ALSO, UH, UH, CONCERNED THAT THIS IS NOT A GREAT SPOT FOR HOUSING, UH, RIGHT ON A DANGEROUS CURVE, UH, WITHOUT A MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT THE CURVE GETS BETTER. UM, BUT IT DOES SOUND LIKE, AND IT WAS, IT WAS VERY REASSURING TO HEAR THAT, UM, FROM A PRELIMINARY CALCULATION, UH, THERE WOULD BE FUNDS AVAILABLE FROM THE CITY SIDE, UM, TO HELP IMPROVE THIS, THIS CURVE. AND I, I, I WANNA, UH, REFLECT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT THIS MAY BE THE THING THAT, UH, INITIATES, UM, A BETTER STREET THERE. SO I, I FEEL LIKE I'VE, I'VE BEEN ONE OVER, UM, MYSELF, SO, UH, WE'LL BE SUPPORTING THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. THANKS COMMISSIONER GANNON, OTHER COMMISSIONERS SPEAKING AGAINST ONE MORE SLOT AGAINST, OKAY, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE. WE HAVE A MOTION. UM, I APOLOGIZE. UH, CAN YOU REMIND ME, COMMISSIONER SKIDMORE MOTION, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION SECONDED BY I COMMISSIONER AHMAD. THANK YOU. UH, THOSE IN FAVOR? 2, 3, 9 OPPOSED? AND ABSTAINING. OKAY, SO THAT PASSES 9 0 2. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO OUR SPEAKERS AND APPLICANT AND OUR STAFF AND TRANSPORTATION STAFF IN PARTICULAR FOR HELPING US THROUGH THIS COMPLICATED CASE. LET'S [PERMANENT COMMITTEE UPDATES ] MOVE INTO OUR PERMANENT COMMITTEE UPDATES, CODES AND ORDINANCES, JOINT COMMITTEE. UH, WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING ON JULY THE 15TH. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE. WE HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED, BUT, UH, WE'LL NOT BE MAKING QUORUM, SO WE'LL BE MEETING AGAIN NEXT QUARTER. JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. WE WILL BE MEETING MANATA. ALL RIGHT. SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE. UH, I'LL BE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER THE NINTH. WONDERFUL. HOW ABOUT ANY UPDATES [WORKING GROUP UPDATES ] FROM OUR URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES? UPDATE WORKING GROUP. NO UPDATES. YOU'RE NOT IN THE WORKING GROUP. , WRONG WORKING GROUP. I THOUGHT I WAS IN A DIFFERENT ONE. . THAT'S OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE, UH, COMMISSIONER GANNON. ANY ANY UPDATES FROM THAT WORK? NO UPDATES. . WE'LL SEE. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO. GOT IT. TAKEN CARE OF. UH, ANY FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY, SEEING NONE, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT 7:05 PM THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT EVERYBODY. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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