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[CALL TO ORDER]
IT'S 3 20 26.UM, TO, TO BEGIN WITH, I WANNA CONFIRM QUORUM.
SO IF YOU AND YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, PLEASE, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY, UH, PRESENT.
SO CARLOS GRAVES PRESENT THROUGH DEL PASS.
HE'S GOT, HE'S GOT A, YEAH, HE'S GOTTA BE OVERED.
I'LL, I'LL CONTINUE AND COME BACK TO HIM.
CELESTE WILLIAM AND TERRY FLOOD.
CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, COMMISSIONER FLOOD, IF YOU CAN HEAR US.
I JUST, THAT WANT TO MAKE SURE? I WANT TO GET OUT.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE QUORUM.
WELL, I WANNA WELCOME, UH, GUESS, UM, CITIZENS, UH, THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.
I WANT TO SEARCH, START, SEND OUT SOME GOOD VIBES AND HEALING TO COMMISSIONER, UM, MARISSA JOHNSON, WHO IS, UH, HOSPITALIZED RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, HOPEFULLY SHE'S GOING TO SOME MINOR SURGERY.
SO WE WANNA SEND GOOD VIBES AND HEALING TO HER.
AND, UH, IF SHE'S LISTENING, GET, GET WELL SOON.
SO TO START WITH, I'M GONNA CALL THE ORDER AND SAY THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION.
I WAS TOLD THAT THERE'S NOBODY HERE.
SO I'LL PROCEED WITH, UM, ITEM NUMBER
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]
ONE, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES.SOMEBODY TO MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE 20, THE JUNE 26TH, 2026, UM, MINUTES OF, OF THAT MEETING.
I CAN, UH, MOTION FOR APPROVAL.
ALL, UH, THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES OF A OF JUNE MEETING, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY OR SAY HI.
ANYBODY AGAINST APPROVAL? SO I THINK WE, WE HAVE SIX, SO, OKAY.
UM, WE'LL NEXT PROCEED TO ITEM NUMBER TWO IN THE AGENDA.
THAT'S, UH, THE STAFF BRIEFING.
IS THERE ANY UPDATES FROM THE, THE STAFF REGARDING THE POLICE TECHNOLOGY UNIT, UH, INTERNAL DRIVE FOR THE CPRC? UH, NO.
THERE'S NO UPDATES FOR THE STAFF BRIEFING.
YOU LOOK LIKE A LIGHT AGENDA TODAY.
[3. Staff briefing by Complaint Supervisor Brennan Duran regarding updates related to Austin Police Oversight (APO), including an overview and key highlights; administrative and operational updates; commission support and follow-up; community engagement; policy highlights; and upcoming items and priorities. ]
WE'RE PROCEEDING ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS A STAFF BRIEF BRIEFING.SO AS, UH, DIRECTOR MCKINNON, UH, DEPUTY DIRECTOR MASTERS ARE NOT HERE, I'LL BE GIVING YOU THE STAFF BRIEFING FOR TODAY.
UH, SO THIS, UH, THE LAST WEEKS AND THE FIRST WEEKS OF JUNE HAVE CONSISTED OF ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESSES.
BOTH DEPUTY DIRECTOR, MASTERS AND DIRECTOR MCCANN ARE ON VACATION THIS WEEK.
AS NOTED, A PO AND IAD HAD THEIR MONTHLY LEADERSHIP MEETING ON JULY 7TH TO DISCUSS HIGH LEVEL POLICY, PROCESS AND OPERATIONAL TOPICS.
IAD COMMAND SUPPORTS GRANTING CPRC, ACCESS TO A D SHARED DCF, ALLOWING CPRC TO VIEW IAD CASE INVESTIGATIONS, THUS REDUCING THE TIME IT TAKES FOR CPRC TO GET ACCESS, WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED AS WELL.
UH, DIRECTOR MCKEN AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR MASTERS ATTENDED NAPLES SPONSORED TRAINING REGARDING READING DEATH RECORDS, AUTOPSY REPORTS, TOXICOLOGY AND MEDICAL RECORDS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT RELATED OR CUSTODIAL DEATHS.
WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING OUR 2025 ANNUAL REPORT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A MAJOR PROJECT FOR EACH DIVISION WITHIN OUR
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DEPARTMENT.SOME OF OUR UPCOMING ACTIVITIES ARE GOING TO BE BUDGET DISCUSSION THAT WILL RAMP UP IN AUGUST, POLICY AND RESEARCH, ALONG WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
STAFF WILL BEGIN MEETING WITH VARIOUS BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE A DEMO AND EDUCATION FOR REGARDING THE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING DASHBOARD AS WELL.
AS A REMINDER, ALL COA EMPLOYEES BOARDS AND COMMISSION MEMBERS WERE ADDED TO THE FY 25 26 WORKING SAFETY WITH AI TRAINING.
THIS IS A NEW STATE MANDATED TRAINING COURSE AND THE ANNUAL REPORT CYCLE ALIGNS WITH THE STATE'S FISCAL YEAR.
ALL ENROLLED USERS WILL RECEIVE EMAIL REMINDERS FOR ANY INCOMPLETE TRAINING ASSIGNMENTS AND RYAN WOLF RECEIVE COMPLIANCE STATUS UP REPORTS.
THE WORKING SAFETY WITH IA TRAINING MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO JULY 26TH, 2026.
PLEASE CONTACT RYAN IF YOU NEED ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE ACCESSING YOUR NO BEFORE ACCOUNT, UH, COMMISSION SUPPORT AND FOLLOW UPS.
UM, THE DRAFT FOR THE CPRC ONE YEAR REPORT, UH, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT'S STILL AN ONGOING AND INPROCESS PROCEDURE, UH, DRAFTING A RESOLUTION TO COUNCIL FOR OPEN FEEDBACK WHITEBOARD PROPOSAL AS AN ACTION ITEM PROPOSAL AS AN ACTION ITEM A PD TO DEVELOP A PUBLIC DASHBOARD FOR ITS INTERACTION WITH IS.
AS FOR OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STAFF, I HEAR A COUPLE OF UPDATES AND NOTABLE EVENTS COMING UP ON JUNE, I'M SORRY, ON JULY 11TH.
UM, THE NORTH AUSTIN MUSLIM COMMUNITY CENTER BRISKET AND BRIDGES ON JULY 14TH, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ALSO ATTENDED THE HILLSIDE CONCERT SERIES AT THE PAN AM NEIGHBORHOOD PARK ON THE 15TH.
UH, THEY ATTENDED THE POP-UP RESOURCE CLINIC AT THE MARSHALLING YARD.
AND UPCOMING EVENTS ON THE 21ST, THERE'S THE HILLSIDE CONCERT SERIES, AND THEN AGAIN ON THE 28TH AS WELL.
ON THE 22ND, UH, THERE WILL BE THE JOINT INCLUSION COMMITTEE.
ON THE 25TH, THERE WILL BE DISTRICT SIX, DISTRICT SIX BUDGET MEETING.
AND THEN ON THE 31ST OF JULY, KNOW YOUR RIGHTS PROGRAM RELAUNCH WITH A PRESS CONFERENCE.
AS FOR POLICY AND RESEARCH, THERE IS NO NEW UPDATES FOR THIS MONTH FOR THE COMPLAINT DIVISION.
THE COMPLAINT DIVISION IS STILL RECRUITING FOR ITS COMPLAINT INVESTIGATOR POSITION IN HOPES TO HAVE IT FILLED BY THE END OF AUGUST.
THE POSTING FOR THE COMPLAINT INVESTATE INVESTIGATOR POSITION CLOSED ON JUNE 26TH, AND WE RECEIVED 27 APPLICANTS.
THE APPLICANTS ARE STILL BEING SCREENED AND THE INTERVIEWS ARE SCHEDULED FOR LATE JULY.
BETWEEN JUNE 18TH AND JULY 10TH.
FOUR FORMAL COMPLAINTS WERE FORWARDED TO THE IAD FOUR INVESTIGATION.
NEXT WE HAVE OUR UPCOMING ITEMS AND PRIORITIES, UH, CPRC PROPOSED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER GREAVES THAT SPONSORED THE CPRC YEAR ONE SUMMARY OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CHALLENGES REVIEW AND EDIT OF CPRC, INTERNAL OPERATING PROCEDURES.
DRAFT RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED, RELATED TO ACCESS TO CASE FILES UNDER CITY CODE DRAFT RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD FOR THE COMMISSION BYLAW DISCUSSION AND AMENDMENTS.
PRESENT DRAFT RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR REVIEW BY THE FULL COMMISSION AND CONSIDERATION FOR HANDLING CONFIDENTIAL VERSUS PUBLIC INFORMATION, ENSURING THE COMMISSION MAINTAINS A PROPER SAFEGUARDS WHEN INTERACTING WITH THE PUBLIC.
UH, WE HAVE THAT COMMISSIONER EUGENE SPONSORED RULES AND PROCEDURES ON CASE REVIEW.
CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION RULES AND GUIDELINES, A PD POLICY ON, UH, ON OIS CASES, A PO AND A PD FLOW CHART OF CASE REVIEW PROCESSES AND REPORTING MECHANISMS. COMMISSIONER FLOOD SPONSORED A CODIFIED A PROCESS TO INTERACT WITH A PD AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS A PD INTERACTIONS WITH ICE ON A PUBLIC DASHBOARD.
UH, BRIEFING ON JACQUELINE HARRIS AND THERESA HAYES COMPLAINTS.
HARRIS SPONSORED DISCUSSION ON BURDEN OF PROOF AND PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE OF BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
DISCUSSION WITH LEGAL TO ALLOW BODY CAM RELEASED BY CPRC.
WE HAVE COMMISSIONER PENA THAT SP SPONSORED A DRAFT RESOLUTION TO THE COUNCIL FOR OPEN FEEDBACK, WHITEBOARD DISCUSSION ON THE 3 1 1 AND I REPORT.COM AND DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL LEGAL CONSEQUENCES FOR CPRC, NON CONCURRENCE WITH A PD.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR LAST ONE, WHICH WAS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AS A DISCUSSION FOR A PD TO CARRY INFORMATION TO REFER CITIZENS TO A PO.
AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR STAFF UPDATES RIGHT NOW.
UH, IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET A COPY OF THE, THE UPDATE THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT? CORRECT.
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A REMINDER TO THE COMMISSIONS, SOME OF US ARE SPONSORING SOME OF THESE BILLS.REMEMBER, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU TO PUSH THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE THINGS ARE GONNA STAY ON WEEK AFTER WEEK.
UH, PLEASE JUST REMEMBER, UM, A WEEK OR SO, TWO WEEKS BEFORE THE MEETING, HAPPILY BRING IT TO MY ATTENTION OR TO MAKE SURE CORTES FRANCO'S ATTENTION AND WE MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE AGENDA.
BUT UNTIL THAT'S DONE, SOMETIMES IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO DO PUSH TO ANYTHING ELSE.
YEAH, I I WOULD JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING A COPY MAYBE EMAILED TO US, UH, AT LEAST THE PORTION THAT, UH, AGENDA, FUTURE AGENDA.
SO THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT, DECIDE IF WE WANT TO EXPAND UPON THAT, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT OR, OR NOT.
UM, RYAN, IS THAT SOMETHING WE CAN DO? JUST SEND A COPY OF THE FUTURE AGENDA, EVERYBODY ELSE SO THEY CAN SEE THAT AND MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY WHAT THE ONES THAT THEY SUPPOSEDLY SPONSORING? YEAH, THAT'S MY WHOLE THING.
I THOUGHT THE THING THAT I SPONSORED HAD ALREADY BEEN ACTED UPON, AND WE WERE PAST THAT STAGE BY NOW.
UM, I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE JUST CAPTURING ITEMS AND, UH, NOT MOVING FORWARD.
'CAUSE I WOULD'VE ACTUALLY, UH, ASKED FOR IT TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
BUT YEAH, NOW THAT I KNOW THAT I'M TO, I'LL DEFINITELY BE MORE PROACTIVE JUST TO REMIND YOU.
WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'LL DO IS IF YOU, IF ESPECIALLY IF IT'S SOMETHING LIKE A DRAFT, DRAFT IT AND MAKE SURE WE KNOW YOU, YOU ARE BRINGING IT UP NEXT MEETING.
ME AND ME AND COMMISSIONER CORTES FRANCO DRAFTED IT, UM, AND ALMOST THREE MONTHS AGO.
SO I, I THOUGHT THAT IT HAD MOVED PAST THAT STATE, BUT LIKE I SAID, IT WAS IGNORANCE ON MY PART.
AND NOW THAT I KNOW WHERE IT IS AND THAT IT'S JUST AN, A BRIEFING ITEM, AT THIS POINT, I WILL BE MORE PROACTIVE.
OTHER COMMENTS? NO, THANKS SIR.
SO, UH, WITH THAT SAID, UH, WE
[4. Discussion of ways to ensure the APO-CPRC Case Review File SharePoint has an appropriate number of active cases available for review. ]
WANNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR, DISCUSSION ITEMS. AND ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS BASICALLY, UH, THIS I SPONSORED THIS.ONE IS DISCUSSIONS AND WAYS TO ENSURE THAT A-P-O-C-P-R-C CASE REVIEW FILES, SHAREPOINT HAS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF ACTIVE CASES AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW.
JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND IS, UH, THIS BETWEEN THE JUNE AND JULY, UH, SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE ASKING ANY MORE CASES TO REVIEW.
AND, UH, AND THE ANSWER WAS NO.
AND THE REASON WAS THAT WE DON'T REVIEW CASES UNTIL THEY'RE LOADED ON THE SYSTEM.
THE PRESENT SYSTEM PUTS A LOT OF THE, UM, OWNERSHIP ON THE CHAIR TO ONCE THE WAY IT WORKS IS ONCE A CASE HAS BEEN, UM, UH, THE INVESTIGATION'S BEING COMPLETED, THEN UH, WE ARE TOLD IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE SENT TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, OUR, UH, THE AP APOS RECOMMENDATION.
AND WHEN, THEN AT THAT POINT WHEN WE KNOW IT'S COMPLETE, IS WHEN I AM SUPPOSED TO REQUEST FOR THE STAFF LIAISON TO LOAD IT ON THE SYSTEM.
THE PRESENT PRESENTLY TAKES A COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SOMETIMES IT'S BEEN AVERAGE TWO OR THREE WEEKS TO GET THAT LOADED.
AND SO WHAT THAT DOES IT, IT'S LIKE WE'RE NOT PRIMING THE PUMP TO USE THAT EXPRESSION WHERE WE, THAT WE RUN THE RISK OF DRYING OUT.
AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK.
AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DECIDED TO DO, AND BECAUSE SOME OF THIS IS LEFT TO THE DISCRETIONARY CHAIRS HAVE DECIDED THAT AUTOMATICALLY, ANY, ANY CASE THAT A PO DECIDES IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO FORWARD, WE WANT THOSE IMMEDIATELY LOADED AUTOMATICALLY.
THE THE IDEA THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THAT AS A COMMISSION, WE GET, WE, WE RETAIN THE RIGHT TO REQUEST ANY CASE ALWAYS, BUT THERE'S NO NEED TO SOME OF THE, IF YOU HAVE TO GO FILTER THROUGH A HUNDRED CASES, WHY NOT START WITH, WITH SOME THAT SOMEBODY ELSE THAT THAT'S INVOLVED, THINGS ARE IMPORTANT AND HAVE THOSE ON THERE.
AND, UH, ONCE THEY'RE THERE, THEN THE, THE DIFFERENT GROUPS WILL GET THE ASSIGNMENTS.
UH, AND BASICALLY ASSIGNMENTS HAVE BEEN DONE MORE ROUND ROBIN, YOU KNOW, A B 1, 2, 3 A, B, C GROUPS GET IT.
AND AS, AND AS THEY, AS MORE CASES COME IN, IT'S BEEN, UH, FULFILL.
SO THIS IS ONE WAY WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY KEEP THAT GOING.
BUT I WANTED TO OPEN IT UP THIS FOR DISCUSSION TO SEE IF ANY OTHER IDEAS OF HOW WE CAN KEEP ACCELERATING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THESE CASES LOADED ON THE SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT, UH, NOW THAT THE, THE DIFFERENT, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE GETTING BETTER AT REVIEWING CASES, WE NOW, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE FULLY LOAD THE COMMISSION WITH CASES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S A LONG INTRODUCTION, BUT I NEEDED TO GIVE YOU GUYS SOME IDEA OF THE CONTENTS OF THIS.
I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, THE SHAREPOINT SYSTEMS APPEARS TO BE AT LEAST WORKING SOMEWHAT.
UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS BETTER, MORE CREATIVE IDEAS OUT THERE.
AND I, I THINK WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO WHATEVER MAKES THAT HAPPEN FASTER.
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WAY THE COMMUNITY KNOWS FASTER.AND OFFICERS DON'T SIT IN LIMBO IF, FOR WHATEVER REASON THEY WANTED A REC WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CPRC WAS AS OPPOSED TO A PO OR JUST THE, THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT COMES MONTHS LATER DOWN THE LINE WHEN IT'S MAYBE LESS RELEVANT, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
AND I GUESS I JUST HAD A CLARIFYING QUESTION 'CAUSE I BELIEVE, I THINK IT WAS AT THE LAST MEETING THAT, UM, IT WAS SAID, OUR WORKING GROUPS, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, I GUESS, DISBAND AFTER THE FIRST CASE.
AND WE WERE GONNA CHECK WITH LEGAL AND THE CITY CLERK TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROCESS ON THAT WAS GONNA BE.
SO HAVE YOU HEARD ANY UPDATES ON THE PROCESS OF THAT? ARE WE GONNA MAINTAIN OUR WORKING GROUPS OR ARE WE GONNA GET NEW ONES EACH TIME? THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.
IT, WE, WE, WE INQUIRED AND WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK.
UM, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW, SO, BUT NEXT, NEXT AUGUST WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE, UH, THE LEGAL COME AND THIS IS GONNA BE AN AGENDA.
SO WE'LL GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK SOME OF THESE LE THESE, SOME OF THESE CLAR LEGAL QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE CLARIFIED.
BUT THE, THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT OUR WORKING GROUP PROCESS IS GONNA CONTINUE.
AND THAT, THAT FOR, THIS IS A UNIQUE GROUP, A UNIQUE, UH, SITUATION IN THAT.
BUT, UH, WE'LL GET THE DETAILS WHEN, UH, ATTORNEYS PRESENTED.
AND THAT WOULD BE UNDER, THAT'S AN ALREADY AN AGENDA FOR MY PLANNED AGENDA FOR AUGUST.
AND I GUESS I JUST HAVE A, ANOTHER QUESTION.
UM, SO WHAT IS GONNA BE THE PROCESS AND WHEN ARE WE GONNA START SELECTING NEW MEMBERS? BECAUSE, UM, THERE MIGHT NOT BE, SOME OF OUR WORKING GROUPS MIGHT NOT HAVE THREE PEOPLE AT ALL TIMES.
SO NEW MEMBERS, AS IN LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS, THE ALTERNATE COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOING THROUGH BACKGROUND CHECK RIGHT NOW.
SO ONCE THEY CLEAR THEIR BACKGROUND, WE'LL HAVE THE, UH, CITY MANAGER APPOINT THEM TO THE COMMISSION AND THEN THEY'LL DO THEIR TRAINING.
BUT WHILE THEY'RE DOING THEIR TRAINING, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH THE WORKING GROUPS.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER, ANY, ANY, ANY THINGS ANYBODY ELSE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW WE COULD DO THAT CASE? I, YEAH, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE WORKING GROUPS.
BECAUSE EVEN IF WE DO EXPEDITE GETTING THE CASES IMMEDIATELY, UM, ONCE THEY'RE ADJUDICATED BY THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS, OUR, UM, CONVERSION RATE ON HOW LONG IT TAKES US AS A WORKING GROUP TO REVIEW THOSE AND THEN MAKE THE FULL RECOMMENDATION AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A LAG ITEM BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO ALSO GET IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND THEN BY THAT TIME, OUR RECOMMENDATION STILL MIGHT NOT MAKE IT INTO THE ACTUAL, UM, PROCESS FOR THEM WHEN THEY DO ADJUDICATE OR ANYTHING.
AND SO, IS THERE A MECHANISM TO MAKE THAT MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE SO THAT WE CAN'T SAY IT WAS DELAYED BECAUSE WE GOT THE CASE LATE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA FIX THAT PART.
BUT THEN THE NEXT STEP IS HOW QUICKLY DO WE ANALYZE THE CASE AND THEN PRESENT IT? IS, IS THERE A THOUGHT ON HOW WE COULD MAKE THAT MORE EFFICIENT? I HAVE A THOUGHT.
AND I GUESS, UM, I MEAN, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT.
I I, MY THOUGHT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT WE DO HERE EVERY MONTH IS, UM, A MINIMUM BASELINE.
AND I KNOW THAT WE OFTEN DO A LOT OF WORK, BUT IF WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE TRACK, UH, THAT WE DO OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING EVERY MONTH, THAT WAY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND WE CAN'T GET TO IT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FALL WITHIN THAT TIME WE MEET, UH, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE A USEFUL IDEA TO CONSIDER THAT WAY.
UM, THINGS ARE NOT ON A 30 DAY SCHEDULE ALL THE TIME.
AND I ALSO WANNA SAY, I THOUGHT WE KIND OF HAD GOTTEN INTO THE GROOVE ALREADY THAT EVERY SINGLE MONTH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE TO PRODUCE.
AND WE DID A WONDERFUL JOB AS A COMMISSION DURING THE PAST TWO MONTHS ENSURING THAT THAT HAPPENED.
SO I THINK THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THIS MONTH IS THAT WE WEREN'T GIVEN ANY NEW CASES, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAINTAIN THAT MINDSET THAT EVERY SINGLE MONTH WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING THAT QUOTA OF PRESENTING AT LEAST ONE OF OUR CASES.
BUT EVEN IF WE DO THAT IN THE MONTH, IN THAT TIMELINE, WE'VE SEEN CASES GET ADJUDICATED LIKE 10 DAYS AFTER, UH, AN IA REVIEW.
SO IF WE WAIT UNTIL WE'RE GONNA MEET AGAIN, IT STILL MAY NOT BE THE MOST EFFICACIOUS WAY.
DO WE HAVE A SECONDARY WAY OF, UM, 'CAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE OPEN RECORDS LAWS ABOUT THE FORM AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT TO HAVE AN INTERNAL
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WAY TO MOVE THE CASE FORWARD AND ACTUALLY GET TO BE ABLE TO BE ON RECORD WHILE THE CASE IS STILL OPEN, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE END STATE, NOT JUST THE PROCESS.
'CAUSE THE PROCESS COULD BE EFFICIENT.
WE CAN HAVE THE MONTHLY MEETINGS, WE CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
THOSE ARE ALL THE DOING THINGS, DOING THE RIGHT THINGS.
BUT IF WE'RE NOT DOING THINGS RIGHT AND ACTUALLY GETTING THEM IN FRONT OF THE CHIEF BEFORE SHE MAKES HER DECISION, THEN IT'S STILL NOT THE MOST EFFICIENT PROCESS.
AND I THINK THAT WAS A, AN AGENDA ITEM THAT I HAD BROUGHT FORTH A COUPLE MONTHS BACK FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC FACING COMMUNICATION.
AND SO, UM, HE HAD BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER IN THE MEETING AND I JUST LIKE, YOU DIDN'T REALIZE THAT WE STILL HAD TO, EVEN AFTER I BROUGHT IT UP AND PRESENTED IT, IT STILL NEEDS TO BE, I GUESS WORKED ON AGAIN.
SO I'LL ENSURE TO HAVE THAT PREPARED, WHATEVER THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSED AND TALKED ABOUT.
AND I JUST WANT TO FLOAT YEAH, FLOAT AN IDEA.
I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE SOME OF THESE CASES AND WE, WE PRESENT IT TO A THREE PERSON GROUP OF, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD CONSIDER THE IDEA OF A THREE PERSON GROUP, UH, MAKING SOME TYPE OF DETERMINATION ON THAT CASE, UH, BEFORE WE, UH, PRESENT IT TO THE ENTIRE COMMISSION AS A A POSSIBLE, UH, AROUND FOR SOME CASES THAT NEED TO BE DONE QUICKER.
THAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? BECAUSE THE THREE PERSON GROUP IS ALREADY THE COMMITTEE THAT YOU'RE ON, AND SO ARE YOU SAYING BRING IN ANOTHER COMMITTEE TO REVIEW WHAT YOUR COMMITTEE HEARD AND THEN I THINK WE MAYBE PAST THE, UH, OPEN MEETINGS REQUIREMENT.
AND SO YEAH, IT IS, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS DISCUSSION FURTHER AND REALLY, UM, FLUSH IT OUT.
SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO WORK WITH ME TO DO THAT, AND, UM, I I THINK YEAH, GO AHEAD.
SO I WANNA REMIND USS JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE'RE, WE'RE SOLVING THE SAME PROBLEM RIGHT NOW, THE LIMITATION IS NOT THE WORKING GROUPS BEING ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND ANALYZE A, A, A THING IN TIME AND, UH, ADJUDICATE AND MAKE A DECISION.
RIGHT NOW THE BOTTLENECK IS GETTING ENOUGH CASES LOADED ON THE SYSTEM SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO REMEMBER.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN THE CASE OCCURRED AND HOW FAST UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE, THE CASE IS NOT COMPLETELY REVIEWED.
AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, LOADED ON THE SYSTEM, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
SO I, WHAT I, WHAT I'M REALLY TRYING TO, LOOKING TO SOLVE IS THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH ANY DS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE VOLUME, THE VOLUME OF CASES AVAILABLE TO REVIEW AND WHAT I MEAN BY AVAILABLE TO VIEW LOADED, BECAUSE UNTIL THEY'RE LOADED, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
NO, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M THINKING BEGINNING WITH THE END IN MIND, WE'LL SOLVE ONE BOTTLENECK AND THEN RUN INTO THE VERY NEXT BOTTLENECK.
SO WHY NOT THINK HOLISTICALLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY? I THINK THEY'RE BOTH BOTTLENECKS TO BE HONEST, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, UH, THE ONE BOTTLENECK IS, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET ALL THIS INFORMATION IN SHAREPOINT SO QUICKLY SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND THEN THE NEXT BOTTLENECK IS, WELL, UH, WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL OUR NEXT MONTHLY MEETING.
AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A, YEAH, A SOLUTION TO THAT TO WHERE IF IT GETS, UH, SENT TO A THREE PERSON GROUP, THE THREE PERSON GROUP CAN DECIDE ON IT.
NOW WE COULD LOOK AT IT LATER, MAYBE DISAGREE, BUT AT LEAST THERE'S A DECISION AT SOME POINT BY A THREE PERSON GROUP.
AND, AND I GUESS MY, MY URGENCY IS TO SAY, UM, I, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU GUYS THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM, THAT'S A POTENTIAL PROBLEM, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY POTENTIAL UNTIL IT'S A PROBLEM.
AND UNTIL THEN, THE REAL PROBLEM IS GETTING THE VOLUME OF CASES AVAILABLE.
AND SO I, I WOULD, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SPEND A LITTLE BT USE ON THAT.
I THINK LET'S, WE CAN BRING IT UP, JUST PUT IN AN AGENDA.
WE CAN DISCUSS HOW WE, ONCE THOSE ARE, ONCE WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES, HOW DO WE GET THEM, UH, UM, RESOLVED SOONER? IT'S AN ISSUE.
BUT, BUT I DON'T WANT, I KEEP WANNA REMIND YOU GUYS THAT IT'S A NEW POINT UNTIL WE HAVE CASES.
AND THAT'S WHY, LIKE I SAID, THIS WEEK, THIS MONTH'S FAILURE WAS THE LACK OF, I'M GONNA CHALLENGE THAT THOUGH, BECAUSE THERE WAS A LONG TIME THAT WE HAD LOTS OF CASES.
AND SO WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THIS AND WE ALREADY KNOW.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WANNA BE ITERATIVE AND DO EVERYTHING IN SPRINTS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT IS ALREADY BEEN VALIDATED THAT ONCE WE DO HAVE CASES, WE STILL AREN'T EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IN DOING IT.
I THINK WE'RE, AND SO I THINK WE'RE SPEAKING DIFFERENT THINGS.
IN MY VIEW, WHEN I SAY CASE AVAILABLE, IT'S NOT WHEN WE FOUND OUT THAT THIS OCCURRED AND WE FOUND OUT IT'S BEING INVESTIGATED, AND WE FIND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT IS WHEN IT'S A, WHEN IT'S REALLY READY FOR US TO LOOK UNTIL THAT DAY, UNTIL IT'S LOADED ON THE SYSTEM.
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO AS A COMMITTEE.
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THE, I THINK THE CRITICAL THING, AND BY THE WAY, I AGREE, I DISAGREE IN YOUR ASSESSMENT, THAT THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE HAD LOTS OF CASES AVAILABLE.WE HAD INVESTIGATED A LOT, WE HAD DONE A LOT OF PRIORITIZATION AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TRIAD AGAIN ON PAPER.
BUT UNTIL THOSE CASES ARE LOADED IN THE SYSTEM, THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE.
IS THERE, I GUESS A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION WILL HAVE TO BE ASKED IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT CONTROL DO WE HAVE OVER WHAT SHAREPOINT WE HAVE AND WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT? YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CREATIVE TO ADDRESS IT, RIGHT? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SHAREPOINT THING FOR LIKE A YEAR AND I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING ANYWAY.
UM, IT IS LIKE A BRIEFING ITEM, UM, OVER AND OVER AND THEN THEY KEEP SAYING, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH TO ANOTHER SHAREPOINT, AND THEN IA IA GIVES US ANOTHER PROCESS.
AND SO THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, UM, IF WE CAN AUTO MAKE THAT AUTOMATED, AND YOU SAID THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A HEAVY LIFT, BUT THEN THE FOLLOW ON IS, OKAY, NOW WE'RE THE DOG THAT CAUGHT THE CAR, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? AND THAT'S WHAT THE THING'S GONNA BE IS WHAT'S THE PROCESS TO GET THIS AS EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE? NOT JUST HAVING THE CASES LOADED, AS YOU SAID, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO ADJUDICATE AND DISCUSS THE CASE SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY ACT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
WHY DON'T WE PUT A IT PERSON HERE TO EXPLAIN TO US THROUGH THE CITY'S SYSTEMS COMMISSIONER HOW HARD, SO I JUST WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK FROM, YOU KNOW, CPRC ON THIS AGENDA TOPIC, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE HE PS FEEDBACK ON IT.
UM, SO APOS REFINED THE CASE REVIEW PROCESS GOING FORWARD.
CASE FILES WILL BE UPLOADED TO THE CPRC SHAREPOINT AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, RATHER THAN WAITING FOR CASES TO BE REQUESTED.
UM, THIS APPROACH WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE LEADERSHIP MEETING WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, AND IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE COMMISSION WITH A MORE CONSISTENT WORKFLOW, WORKFLOW AND REDUCE DELAYS.
SO AS THEY BECOME AVAILABLE, I'M JUST GONNA, WE'RE GONNA UPLOAD THEM, IT'S GONNA REDUCE ALL THE DELAYS.
THAT AND THEN, AND THEN WHO WILL BE NOTIFIED THAT THEY'VE BEEN UPLOADED THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR? THE WHOLE COMMISSION.
SO THAT, SO NOW, UM, NOT TO USE YOUR WORDS CARLOS, BUT SO NOW YOUR POINT IS MOOT, RIGHT? IF THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
SO NOW THE OTHER ISSUE IS GONNA BE A REAL THING.
WELL, UM, UM, I, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION WHAT STEPHANIE IS READ, BECAUSE WHAT THE LIAISON IS SAYING IS, IS THAT CODIFIED? IS THAT EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING? YES.
IF SO, THEN I, WE NEED TO MOVE BECAUSE THE CHAIR HAD SOME LATITUDE.
THE CHAIR WAS, UH, WAS, UM, INSTRUMENTAL IN DOING WHAT HE'S DOING.
BUT THESE ARE THAT, SO THE CHAIR SAID THIS, THIS IS ONE WAY WE CAN ACCELERATE WHAT THE CHAIR WAS LOOKING FOR IN THIS ITEM IS LOOKING, CAN SAY THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE AROUND HERE, SMART PEOPLE, MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
SEE IF THERE'RE, AND IF THE SOLUTION IS, LET'S FOCUS ON ONCE IT'S, ONCE THE, THE ONCE THE PRIME IS PUMPED.
ONCE, ONCE THERE'S ENOUGH CASES, HOW DO WE ACT, UH, WORK THOSE, I AM HAPPY TO RESOLVE THOSE, BUT I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU THAT IT'S, IT, WE STILL HAVE THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO SEE, MAKING SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH CASES AVAILABLE.
SO, SO I HAVE A POTENTIAL SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL.
SO RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY WHEN YOU LOG ONTO THE SHAREPOINT AND YOU GET THE DOCUMENTS WE'RE BROKEN DOWN BY WORKING GROUP A, B, AND C.
SO THAT'S THREE SEPARATE FOLDERS.
SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS HAVING A FOURTH SEPARATE FOLDER, AND DURING OUR, OUR A, B, AND C, YOU WOULD ASSIGN US CASES.
AND THEN THAT FOURTH FOLDER, THAT WOULD JUST BE ONES THAT HAVEN'T NECESSARILY BEEN ASSIGNED TO AN EXACT WORKING GROUP, ALLOWING GROUPS THAT HAVE FINISHED AND ARE READY FOR ANOTHER CASE TO GO AHEAD AND GRAB THOSE CASES.
SO IF WE JUST HAVE THAT FOURTH FOLDER WHERE ALL OF THEM ARE LOADED ONTO, WE CAN GO AND WE CAN TAKE THAT INITIATIVE AND GET MORE CASES DONE.
YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S FANTASTIC.
AND THAT'S A LONG KIND OF THING I'M LOOKING FOR.
'CAUSE WHAT THE, JUST ANOTHER REMINDER TO EVERYBODY, EVEN THOUGH YOU GO TO WORKING GROUP A AND YOU SEE TWO CASES, REMEMBER YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ALL THE CASES.
YOU KNOW, THE IDEA ABOUT WORKING GROUP A WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT WALKING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
AND THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN COMMISSIONER EUGENE DECIDES TO PICK ONE CASE TO REVIEW IS THE SAME ONE I PICK.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, MIGHT AS WELL IF HE KNOWS THAT CARLOS IS ALREADY LOOKING AT THAT ONE, HE PICKS ANOTHER ONE.
THAT WAS THE ONLY, THE ONLY REASON.
BUT IN GENERAL, WE HAVE THAT LATITUDE.
AND THE POINT IS, IF WORKING GROUP A FINISHED THE CASE, THEY CAN SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE GOT, LET'S SAY WE WANT ANOTHER ONE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THAT, THAT'S IT.
SO I WHAT YOU, WHAT YOU'RE THINKING IS WHAT I'M THINKING TOO.
I THINK THAT'S THE NATURAL EXTENSION OF, OF THE PRESENT SYSTEM COMMISSION OPINION.
WE ALSO DO HAVE FOUR CASE FILES.
SO WE HAVE THE CPRC CASE REVIEW FILE, THAT'S WHERE I UPLOAD ALL THE CASES.
ALL COMMISSIONERS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FOLDER.
UM, WHEN THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR LET ME KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA TRIAGE THEM, THAT'S WHEN I TAKE 'EM OUT OF THAT FOLDER AND I ASSIGN THEM TO THE SPECIFIC WORKING GROUP.
HOWEVER, ALL COMMISSIONERS HAVE ACCESS TO THAT CPRC CASE REVIEW FILE WHERE ALL THE FILES ARE STORED.
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THAT'S IT.LIKE I SAID, AS YOU, AS YOU'RE GOING AND WE'RE SOLVING THE, THE REAL, ALL THE BIG PROBLEMS, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE NOBODY THINKS I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT NEEDS TO SOLVE IT.
I WANT TO THINK IN OF THE MAIN ONE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IS, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A SHOOTING TODAY AND PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE WANT TO GET ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, WHAT'S THE COMMISSION DOING? WELL, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL MONTHS LATER WHEN IT'S BEEN INVESTIGATED, READY AND LOADED ON THE SYSTEM.
AND THAT LAG IS A IN, IN INHERENT LAG.
THAT'S ACTUALLY FRUSTRATING FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, MYSELF, PERSONALLY, FRIENDS.
'CAUSE I WANT, YOU KNOW, I, SO SOMETHING IS, I WANT TO LIKE TO SEE WHAT CAN WE DO, BUT IN THE NATURE OF THE PROCESS IS YOU WAIT TILL THE INVESTIGATION ARE COMPLETE AND THEN YOU GET TO PLAY YOUR ROLE.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP, SO, UM, UH, YESTERDAY WE WERE ABLE TO MEET ON OUR GROUP 'CAUSE WE WERE DOING GOING OVER LIKE THE ANNUAL REVIEW THAT WE'RE GONNA PRESENT.
AND DURING THAT MEETING IT WAS BROUGHT UP HOW WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THIS COMMISSION WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE OUR INDIVIDUAL PART OUTSIDE OF OPO AND OUTSIDE OF A PD AND THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY MADE AND CREATED, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD A LOT MORE AUTHORITY THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING NOW.
AND IT APPEARS THAT ONE OF THE, I GUESS, SETBACKS IS THEY'RE ALLEGEDLY WAITING FOR FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR US TO GET ACCESS TO THESE DOCUMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK THAT THAT REALLY, IT, IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED DURING OUR ANNUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, DOCUMENT THAT COMES OUT.
BUT ULTIMATELY I FEEL LIKE WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO WAIT FOR OPO OR A PD, THAT'S KIND OF TAKING AWAY THE POINT OF THIS COMMISSION BECAUSE WE SHOULD BE WORKING SIDE BY SIDE BY SIDE AND NOT UNDERNEATH OF YOU GUYS.
SO WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING THAT INDIVIDUAL BOARD IN WHICH THIS WAS CREATED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
SO THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
BECAUSE COULD I SUGGEST NEXT WEEK WHEN WE DO HAVE LEGAL PRESENT? THOSE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTIONS THAT, THAT THAT YEAH, I AGREE.
BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET THE CASES THE SAME TIME THAT A PO GETS THE CASES.
IS THE, IS THAT NOT THE CORRECT PREMISE THAT WHEN THEY GOT THE CASES WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET THE CASES IN REAL TIME? I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THAT'S NOT, SO THAT'S WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S MY FRUSTRATION IS WE'RE GONNA GET THIS YEARLY REPORT RIGHT.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF SAYING WE DID MUCH OF ANYTHING IN A YEAR.
WE, WE, WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT WHEN, WHETHER WE WOULD GET THE CASE WHEN OPO GETS THE CASE OR A PD GETS THE CASE.
AND WHAT WE'VE LEARNED WAS WE DON'T HAVE ANY INVESTIGATIVE RESOURCES.
SO THERE'S NOTHING TO REVIEW WHEN THEY GET THE CASE.
IT WOULD JUST BE A NAME AND A NUMBER.
AND SO UNTIL AN INVESTIGATION IS DONE, THERE'S NOTHING TO REVIEW.
I WASN'T ASKING, I'M NOT SAYING WHEN THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS GETS TO THE CASE.
I'M SAYING WHEN THEY DO, WHEN THEY FINISH THE INVESTIGATION AND THEY SEND IT TO OPO, UM, YES.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WE'RE GETTING IT.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO YEAH, WE'RE GETTING IT NOW WHEN OPO GETS, YEAH.
NO, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN A YEAR AGO, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I THINK THINGS ARE, THINGS ARE MOVING ALONG AND I THINK WHENEVER WE DO PRESENT THIS, WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB IN THE WORKING GROUP YESTERDAY WORKING ON IT.
I THINK EVERYTHING WILL BE SET IN A FINE TIMELINE.
BUT OVERALL, I DO WANNA SAY THAT IT MIGHT APPEAR THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT MUCH DONE.
BUT I THINK WE REALLY HAVE COME A LONG WAY IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND WE'RE ABOUT TO GO EVEN FURTHER.
I THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE AND THIS COMMISSION'S REALLY GONNA COME TOGETHER.
YEAH, I MEAN I, I, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, THAT MOVEMENT.
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE CITIZENS VOTED ON THIS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO.
AND SO WE DO NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE.
LIKE I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAKING A PLAN TO MAKE A PLAN SO THAT WE CAN PLAN FOR THE NEXT PLAN.
AND SO AT, AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHY I, UM, I WENT ON VACATION AND I JUST TOOK A STEP BACK JUST TO SEE IF THE, UH, PASSION AND DESIRE WAS STILL THERE.
AND I HAD SOME COMMISSIONERS THAT I TOLD I WOULD, UH, NOT LEAVE THEM HANGING, BUT I DO WANT TO FEEL LIKE I'M MAKING PROGRESS.
I DO WANT THE CITIZENS TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
AND I THINK WE GOT THE NEW COMMISSIONERS ON BOARD WHO DO HAVE THE SAME INTENSITY AND PASSION AND COMMITMENT.
AND SO I THINK THINGS ARE GOING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT I DO FEEL THE PUBLIC'S FRUSTRATION, UM, ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.
'CAUSE I'VE HAD SOME INDIVIDUALS CLOSE TO ME INVOLVED IN SOME THINGS.
AND, UH, THOSE THINGS, YEAH, THOSE THINGS THEY WERE INVOLVED IN AFFECTED ME.
AND THE, THE PROCESS TO GET THE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY STILL FELT REALLY HARSH.
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EVERYBODY'S EFFORT THAT'S HERE NOW.I FEEL LIKE WE GOT THE RIGHT TEAM TOGETHER AND I APPARENTLY WE'RE GETTING MORE NEW COMMISSIONERS AND I REALLY JUST LOOK FORWARD TO REALLY BEING ABLE TO DO THE WORK AND HAVING SOMETHING TO SHOW FOR IT THE NEXT TIME WE DO AN ANNUAL REPORT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW MORE THAN POLICE COMPLAINTS, SO MM-HMM
SO FOR INSTANCE, UM, IN ORDINANCE TWO 15 DASH FOUR D, IT SAYS WE CAN ADDRESS OTHER DEPARTMENT ACTIVITIES OF PUBLIC CONCERN.
I DON'T THINK WE'VE TRIED TO DO THAT TODAY, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE MECHANISM FOR DOING THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE TO REALLY ADDRESS IT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON THE AGENDA.
BUT PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS BRING PUBLIC COMMENT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN HEAR ABOUT IT AND THEN GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA.
OR WE COULD PROPOSE THAT SOMETHING BE ON THE AGENDA DURING THE INTERIM.
SO RECENTLY SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, THERE WAS AN OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING.
WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT IT IS THIS LATE TO DO A PUBLIC COMMENT? IT WOULD'VE TO BE EITHER, WE COULDN'T, WE CAN'T RESPOND TO A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IF WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.
WE COULD CALL IN, UH, PEOPLE TO, UM, UH, UH, SPEAK ON IT AND WE WOULD HAVE TO INITIATE PUTTING THAT ON THE AGENDA.
I THINK HE'S ASKING IF HE WANTS TO, IF HE CAN SPEAK.
NO, I THINK I WANNA STICK TO THE, TO THE, UH, COMM COMMISSIONER EUGENE, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ON YOUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE AS AN ATTORNEY.
WHAT WOULD THEY SAY IF WE DID BRING THEM IN AND THE INVESTIGATION IS STILL ONGOING? WOULD THEY JUST SAY THAT'S AN OPEN INVESTIGATION? I CAN'T COMMENT ON THAT.
I WANNA MAKE, I WANT TO CAUTION YOU.
IS IT, I WANT TO CAUTION THIS ORDER, ORDER.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN THE, THE, THE THING OF THIS, OF THIS, UH, DISCUSSION.
REMEMBER THERE'S A PROCESS, FOLLOW THAT, BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND WE CAN, WE CAN TACKLE THAT.
AND, AND BY THE WAY, THE, WE, WE WILL HAVE LEGAL PRESENT IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE, INSTEAD OF VOICING THEM HERE, MAYBE BRING THEM
WELL, NO, I WOULD RATHER TALK TO, UH, COMMISSIONER TO HAVE THAT, UM, UNDERSTANDING, JUST BECAUSE LEGAL'S GOING TO REPRESENT WHO LEGAL REPRESENTS WELL, AND SO, CAN I SAY IT AGAIN? THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED, I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF THE SUBJECT HERE.
I WANT TO STICK TO THE SUBJECT.
AND NORMALLY I DIG, I DIGRESS.
ANY MORE ITEMS, ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY RE UH, ADDRESSING WAYS TO ENSURE THAT A-P-D-C-P-R CASE REVIEW FILES SHAREPOINT AS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF CASE? YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS LEE.
UM, I, I'M, I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, IT, IT STARTED OUT ROUGH, BUT THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS, AS, AS COMMISSIONER PENA SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE SOLVED ALL THE CASES IN THERE.
WE'VE GOTTEN TOGETHER, WE'VE DONE PRETTY MUCH WHAT IT IS.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS.
NUMBER ONE, WE'RE COMMUNICATING MUCH BETTER.
AND NUMBER TWO IS THE WAY SOME OF THE INFORMATION IS PUT ONTO THE SHAREPOINT SITE MAKES IT MUCH EASIER TO REVIEW WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH FOUR HOURS OF, YOU KNOW, A POLICEMAN DRIVING HIS BO YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HIS BODY CAM DRIVING UP TO THE CAR.
IT, IT IS, IT IS ORGANIZED A LOT BETTER SO THAT WE CAN, I THINK, ADJUDICATE MUCH FASTER.
AND I, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR MYSELF, I'M CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET MORE CASES AND I, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE, THE PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, THE TRIAGE AND LOADING AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF WHERE THE BOTTLENECK IS.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK OUR WORKING GROUP ANYWAY, I THINK IS READY, READY TO GO.
AND, AND THAT WAS WHAT PROMPTED MY, MY CONCERN THAT YOU GUYS ARE HUNGRY AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FOOD.
UM, UH, UH, YEAH, ONE LAST COMMENT.
UH, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORA, I, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST, UM, THAT YOU CONSIDER MAYBE, UM, REVIEWING SOME CASES TOO THAT WILL, THAT WILL STRENGTHEN YOUR, YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE PROCESS.
AND MAYBE YOU MAY SEE WHY SOME OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS FEEL THAT THIS, THE SYSTEM IS NOT AS MESSED UP AS, AS YOU MAY THINK.
I DIDN'T SAY THE SYSTEM WAS MESSED UP.
I'M SAYING THAT THE OUTCOME AND THIS EFFICIENCY IS NOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN BE IMPACTFUL.
THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN, WELL, YOU CAN HAVE A GOOD SYSTEM ALL DAY, BUT IF IT GOES NOWHERE, THEN IT IS STILL, IT, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE.
WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IF YOU WERE RESPECTFULLY CONSIDER MY SUGGESTION AND OH YEAH.
AND, UH, MAYBE, MAYBE TAKE, TAKE A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, DO SOME REVIEWS YOURSELF THAT WOULD MAYBE GIVE YOU A A YEAH.
YEAH, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT LIKE I SAID, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PROCESS, NOT JUST, YAY, WE'RE GOOD AT REVIEWING CASES.
ANY MORE THINGS? I JUST WANNA SAY, IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO TELL US WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE DO HAVE EMAILS
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THEY CAN EMAIL US AT.UM, ARE THEY ON OUR WEBSITE OR EMAILS? YES, THEY ARE.
I ALSO HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I JUST WASN'T READY TO HAVE HIM DRAFT SOMETHING UP.
I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT BEING HEARD, SO FEEL FREE TO WRITE DOWN WHAT YOU'RE THINKING AND EMAIL US IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT OUR, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS IS THE PROCESS.
[5. Discussion of APD General Orders 902.7 and 902.9 related to administrative investigations. ]
ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE.THIS IS DISCUSSIONS OF A PD GENERAL ORDER 9 0 2 0.7, ESPECIALLY 9 0 2 0.9 RELATED TO ADMINISTRATIVE INVESTIGATION.
UH, IT WAS FORWARD TO US SOME, SOME OF LIKE A SUMMARY OF WHAT'S ON THE GENERAL ORDER.
YOU CAN FIND OUT, UH, UM, THE GENERAL ORDER IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, BUT THE PURPOSE, BECAUSE IT, IT CAME UP IN LAST MEETING THAT SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY WE'RE USING MAY NOT BE THE RIGHT ONE AND SO FORTH.
AND I DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANNA MAKE THE MEETING, UH, IN, YOU KNOW, A CLASS, UH, YOU KNOW, TUTORIAL FOR US.
BUT THIS IS A FRESH OPPORTUNITY.
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE, UH, CONCERNING THAT DOCUMENT, DO WE THINK WE, WE, UM, UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BETTER WHAT THE TERMINOLOGY IS AND HOW TO BETTER USE IT AND SO FORTH.
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA.
THIS IS WONDERFUL, UM, TO UNDERSTAND AND BE MADE AWARE OF.
I, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE WITH EXPERTISE AND BACKGROUND GO OVER IT WITH US, BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT'S VERY HELPFUL AND IT GIVES US, WE, WE, IN OUR WORKING GROUP, WE TRY TO DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK FOR HOW TO EVALUATE CASES, BUT IT, IT GIVES IT TO US RIGHT HERE.
WELL, MR. DURANG IS PRESENT RIGHT NOW.
HE, IF HE THERE, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY IF, IF YOU HAD SOME, SOME QUESTIONS THAT HE'S, HE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT SO HE COULD HOPEFULLY, UM, THAT WAS PART OF WHAT I WAS HOPING THAT, UH, IF YOU GOT TO IT AND YOU HAD STILL SOME QUESTIONS, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, I I, I HAVE ONCE TO START WITH, AND MAYBE TO WARM IT UP, I WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S SOME, SOME SENSE SAYS HERE THAT IT IS NOT THAT AI, THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS AI, NO INTERNAL AFFAIRS
DID I UNDERSTAND THAT? CORRECT.
IS THAT, AND CLARIFY WHO DOES THEN THAT IS CORRECT.
IT'S UP TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE THAT WOULD MAKE THE DISPOSITION AT THE END.
SO FOR THE PROCESS IN THE INVESTIGATION, THEY WOULD ACT FOR JUST COMPLETING THAT INVESTIGATION AND THEN THE DISPOSITION IS LEFT AT THE END FOR THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT MAYBE, MAYBE INAPPROPRIATELY ONE OF US SAID LIKE, YOU KNOW, AI'S DISPOSITION, INTERNAL AFFAIRS DISPOSITION AND THAT WAS WHAT YOU'RE, THEY'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY.
SO BASICALLY INTERNAL AFFAIRS DOES THE INVESTIGATION AND THEN THEY PASS IT UP TO THE CHAIN AND THE CHAIN OF COMMAND WOULD MAKE THE DIS THE DISPOSITION.
AND THEN IN THE CASE OF A PO, WE CAN SAY THAT A PO IS MAKING, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU MAKE, WHEN YOU SEND SOMETHING, YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DIS THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND DISPOSITION, RIGHT? TYPICALLY FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HOURS, I GUESS TO HELP IN THAT CONTEXT.
THE COMPLAINTS DIVISION WOULD ACT AS, LET'S SAY THE INVESTIGATIVE ENTITY SUCH AS INTERNAL AFFAIRS, AND THEN OUR DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND OUR DIRECTOR ARE THE ONES WHO WRITE THE DISPOSITIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND I, AND I CAN SEE WHERE IT MAKES SOME SENSE THAT INTERNAL AFFAIRS IS NOT, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY CAN STATE THE STICK TO THE FACTS AND THAT THE DATA AND THE, THE INVESTIGATION AND LET THE UPPER CHAIN DECIDE.
WE COME TO CONCLUSIONS MM-HMM
UM, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RESULT OF THE INVESTIGATION AND CONCLUSION.
UM, ANY OTHER, ANYBODY ON ANY ISSUES WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WAS SPECIFIED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LANGUAGE AND SO FORTH.
I KIND OF, I LOVE THAT, YOU KNOW, TRY TO BE PRECISE AND NOT MESS THINGS UP.
I, AND I LIKE THAT IT, IT PROVIDED A LOT MORE CLARITY TO US.
UH, SO I'M WONDERING, ONE OF THE CASES THAT WAS REVIEWED, NOT BY OUR WORKING GROUP, BY A DIFFERENT ONE, WAS A DIFFERENT DISPOSITION OR RECOMMENDATION THAN WHAT, WHAT OPO AND, AND IA AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAD HAD MADE.
HOW DOES, HOW DOES OUR RECOMMENDATION GET FED BACK AND WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT GO? DID IT GO ANYWHERE AFTER THE LAST MEETING OR IS IT JUST OKAY, WE DON'T AGREE AND NOTHING EVER GETS DONE.
WELL THAT'S THE WAY I, THE WAY I SEE IT IS WHAT, WHAT'S EXPECTED FROM US AFTER WE'VE DELIBERATE AND SO IS THAT WE DRAFT A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION AND THEN THAT'S WHAT WILL BE SENT TO THE CHIEF POLICE RIGHT NOW PRESENTLY, BECAUSE ALL THE CASES WE HAVE LOOKED AT ARE ONES IN WHICH THE CHIEF ALREADY HAS MADE A DISPOSITION.
'CAUSE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE CURVE IT SOUNDED LIKE A MUTE THING TO GIVE IT TO HER EXCEPT AS FEEDBACK.
SO SHE COULD SEE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT, HOW THEY WOULD'VE LOOKED AT IT.
AND I STILL WANTED TO PUSH THAT, BUT WHAT WE'RE
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LACKING IS THAT LAST STEP WHERE AFTER WE DID COMPLETE, SENT A FORMALLY SENT SOMETHING TO THEM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO WORK ON.DOES THAT ANSWER? YEAH, I THINK THERE'S THE INTERNAL PROCESS AND THEN THERE'S, UH, MORE OR LESS, I THINK THE PUBLIC PROCESS, WHAT THE PUBLIC SEES IS GONNA BE MORE OR LESS THE SAME MINUS WHATEVER CONFIDENTIAL WE NEED TO REDACT OUT, YOU KNOW, SO I, I THINK PART OF IT IS ALLOWING THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND A PO TO SEE WHAT WE THINK AND WHETHER THAT'S RELEVANT OR NOT.
AND, UH, UH, THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE FOR THE MOST PART THE SAME THING.
UM, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE, THE BIGGEST CHECK ON OUR POWERS THAT WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
OKAY, SO MAYBE AS I READ THIS, THE, YOU KNOW, UH, UM, ITEM G, WHICH IS ALTERNATIVE DISCIPLINE AND LAST CHANCE AGREEMENT, THAT IS, THAT IS JUST PART OF, THAT'S NOT, UM, SEE IF I CAN FRAME THIS QUESTION CORRECTLY.
ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD WAS, UH, LAST WEEK, WELL, WE UNDERSTOOD THE DIS POSITION AP A P'S POSITION.
WE MAY HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? IS THERE A, DOES THAT FALL IN, IN ANY, I MEAN, DOES THAT, DOES THERE, IS THERE A, WHICH IS THE RIGHT, I GUESS SUB PLACE IN THE GENERAL ORDER THAT IS DESIGNED FOR QUOTE UNQUOTE AN ALTERNATIVE? SEE FROM, FROM THE GENERAL ORDER, IT TO ME THAT GENERAL IS WRITTEN FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR A PD, RIGHT? THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY TOOK EXACTLY WHAT, HOW TO GO ABOUT HOW TO GO ABOUT, UH, DOING THE INVESTIGATION AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW THE, THE CHIEF AND THE, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND DISPOSES OF THAT, RIGHT? WHAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME IS THAT FOR NOW, FROM FROM C PRCS VIEW, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE ARE, WE WE'RE TRYING TO COME INTO THIS KIND OF FOLLOWING, UH, THE GENERAL ORDERS, BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT ALTERNATIVES WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US.
TO US MAYBE THE BEST WAY OF SAYING IT, IF WE'RE GONNA BE PART OF THIS AND TRY TO INTERSECT AND GIVE ADVICE TO CHIEF OF POLICE IN TIME THAT SHE CAN CHANGE HER THINGS, IT WOULD BE CLEAR TO UNDERSTAND IN THE GENERAL ORDER, WHICH WOULD BE THE PLACE IN WHERE WE COME IN.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU COME IN AS ALTERNATIVE AS A, YOU KNOW, A, A A COUNTER OFFER AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE, THE PROPER, UH, DISPOSITION OF THE PROPER PEN PENALTY? IT'S NOT, THAT'S, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME HOW WE, WHERE WE WILL FALL IN TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL ORDER PROCESS CHAIR.
UH, IT'S, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.
SORRY, HE WAS ABOUT TO ASK EVERYONE TO SEE IF, YEAH, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY TO, TO UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION MORE, TO BE IN LINE WITH, LET'S SAY THE, WHAT A CLASSIFICATION MIGHT BE, AND YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT IT'S A, AN APPROPRIATE, I GUESS, LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE TO OFFER, IS THAT WHAT YOUR QUESTION'S ASKING? YEAH.
WHAT HAPPENS IS, THE WAY WE ARE, WE UNDERSTAND IT'S GONNA WORK IS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT THE, WE WILL LOOK AT THE CASE AND COME UP WITH OUR PERCEPTION OF WHAT THE PROPER DISPOSITION, UH, PUNISHMENT OR WHATEVER IT SHOULD BE, RIGHT? IT'S NOT, AND AND, AND WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO INTERSECT IT AND COME IN BEFORE THE CHIEF OF POLICE ACTUALLY MAKES, UM, A RECOMMENDATION, RIGHT? IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF WE UNDERSTOOD IN THE PROCESS OF GENERAL WHAT'S THE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE RIGHT PACE WHERE, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PACE AND THE APPROPRIATE FORM IN WHICH WE DO THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S POSSIBLE, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT EVEN WITHIN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, THEY HAVE A, A, A MECHANISM WHERE THEY ALL SEE THIS INVESTIGATION.
DIFFERENT OFFICERS MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION, THEY MAY, THEY MAY HAVE A WAY OF GIVING THEIR SUGGESTION TO THE CHIEF AND BEFORE SHE DE MAKES A DECISION, IT ALMOST SEEMS THAT FOR US IT'S A SIMILAR PROCESS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO IN, TO CATCH HER BEFORE SHE MAKES THAT DEPOSITION.
AND BE NICE TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE PRESENT GENERAL ORDER, HOW THAT'S DONE.
SO WE COULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT.
THAT'S MY, SO FOR WHAT I CAN TELL YOU JUST TO, IT'S PROBABLY EASIEST THING IS IN THE GENERAL ORDERS IS A DISCIPLINE MATRIX THAT KIND OF GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE RANGE OF PUNISHMENT BASED ON AN OCCURRENCE OR IN A GENERAL ORDER.
IT'S NOT AN NON-INCLUSIVE, BUT IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO START TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA.
AND AGAIN, SOME, UM, SOME DETAILS OF THE INVESTIGATION MIGHT BE PERTINENT TO KIND OF SAY, WELL, MAYBE IT'S, UM, LESSER OR MORE BASED ON THE FACTS, BUT AT LEAST THAT, THAT LIST IN THE GENERAL ORDERS IS GONNA BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.
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AND I'LL SAY, I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW THE GEN, HOW IT APPLIES TO THE GENERAL ORDERS, BUT BROAD, MORE BROADLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I THINK THAT IT'S UP TO US REALLY AS A COMMISSION WHAT WE WANT TO, UH, RECOMMEND OR BE LOOKING FOR.YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THEIR PERSPECTIVE, UH, OR AT LEAST AT UPD 'CAUSE THEY'RE OFFICERS, AT LEAST THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING.
AND THEN WE HAVE A PO, WHICH IS MORE OF A CIVILIAN ORGANIZATION, AND WE'RE LIKEWISE A CIVILIAN ORGANIZATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE BRING FORTH GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE INSIGHTFUL FROM A CIVILIAN PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT'S THE VALUE IT BRINGS.
I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING MORE THE GENERAL ORDER SIDE OF THINGS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, AND MAYBE IN, AND THIS IS MAYBE JUST CARLOS, BUT IN MY MIND THERE'S A EXISTING SYSTEM IN WHICH I'M SURE THE, THE PERSON, YOU KNOW, THE BOX STOPS HERE, THE CHIEF CHIEF OF POLICE DECISION, BUT SOMEHOW THERE'S A SYSTEM WHERE THIS PERSON TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE A THE RECOMMENDATION OF OTHERS WHO ARE SMART ENOUGH TO LOOK AT THE SAME DATA AND MAYBE COME WITH SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT CONCLUSIONS, SO FORTH.
I SEEM, SEEMS, SEEMS TO ME WE FALL IN THE SAME CATEGORY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IN OUR OWN PERSPECTIVE AND WE WANT TO INTERCEDE AND SAY, NO, I THINK THAT A, B, C SHOULD BE THE PUNISHMENT OR WHATEVER.
AND IT'D BE NICE IF, IF THERE'S A FLOW TO FIT IN NATURALLY THERE SO THAT SHE HAS HER OTHER OR OFFICERS AND SO FORTH.
AND THIS COMMITTEE OF MAY BE COMMISSION OF MAY BE RECOGNIZED.
MR. CHAIRMAN, AT WHAT POINT IS OPOS DECISION, UM, SUBMITTED IN THE PROCESS? LEMME SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
SO LIKE I SAID, WE WAIT UNTIL WE GET THE INVESTIGATION BACK, AND THEN AFTER THAT WE SUBMIT OUR DIS OUR DISPOSITION AND RECOMMENDATIONS BASED OFF OF THAT TO, TO THE CHIEF CHIEF OF POLICE OR THE OFFICER CHAIN OF COMMAND, DEPENDING ON THE, ON THE CASE.
SO I, I WOULD SUGGEST OUR RECOMMENDATION FOLLOW THE SIMILAR PROCESS AS OPOS, WHOEVER YOU SAID, EITHER THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE, DEPENDING UPON WHAT LEVEL THE DIS THE DISCIPLINE DECISION IS GOING TO BE MADE.
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT PROACTIVELY TO KNOW WHAT LEVEL IS GOING TO BE MADE AND, AND WHAT, AND HOW MUCH LEEWAY OR LEAD TIME DO YOU HAVE? AND I ASKED THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS CHRIS THAT MENTIONED THAT APOS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS US, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE CITY EMPLOYEES OF, THEY'VE WORKED FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
WE'RE A CITIZEN COMMISSION, SO THAT'S WHY THEY EVEN HAVE THE ATTENDANCE RIGHTS IF I'M READING THE GENERAL ORDER.
SO COMMISSIONER FLO, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION? MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE KNOW WHEN THE, UH, WHAT LEVEL THE DETERMINATION'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE SO THAT WE KNOW WHO TO SAY? OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
DO, WOULD WE LIKE THE STAFF TO ANSWER IT? YES.
SO WHEN YOU RECEIVE THE INITIAL CASES, UH, AFTER THE INVESTIGATION, IT SHOULD HAVE A LEVEL OF WHAT THE CLASSIFICATION IS.
AND AGAIN, I, I ADVISE Y'ALL TO READ THE DIS OR THE GENERAL ORDERS SO YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT THOSE, UH, PUNISHMENT RANGES MIGHT BE.
AND THEN FROM THERE, THAT'LL ACT AS A CATALYST TO SAY, WELL, WE'VE RECEIVED THE CASE.
WE UNDERSTAND AT WHAT POINT IT'S ALREADY DONE PAST THAT, UM, INITIAL INVESTIGATION.
IF I, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY A MORE, MORE RELEVANT TIME TO START DRAFTING YOUR OWN RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT POINT.
SO THERE, THERE'S AN INDICATOR INDICATES THAT SAYS LEVEL OF CLASSIFICATION, AND THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE WOULD KEY ON TO KNOW HOW, WHERE TO WHERE TO SEND OUR DETERMINATION, RIGHT? AND THAT'LL JUST DEPEND ON, UH, THE LEVEL OF CLASSIFICATION OF, UH, CLASS B OR CLASS A OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF ONE, TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE OF THE RELATIVE DISCIPLINE TO THAT AS WELL.
SO, UM, AGAIN, BASED OFF THE GENERAL ORDERS, MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD PLACE FOR Y'ALL TO START.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S VERY PERSUASIVE.
I THINK IT, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL ORDERS AND HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE THAT'S HOW OFFICERS BELIEVE FOR THE MOST PART, THEY'RE GOING TO BE DISCIPLINED AND WHAT THEY SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.
I JUST DON'T WANT US TO THINK THAT THAT IS WRITTEN IN STONE IF THERE'S SITUATIONS WHERE WE NEED TO CONSIDER OTHER THINGS.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THE COMMISSION OR A CIVILIAN ORGANIZATION IS, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, ARE WE MISSING, UH, THE ENTIRE QUESTION ALTOGETHER IN SOME CASES? I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ALL THE TIME.
I'M JUST SAYING GENERALLY, UM, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL ORDERS, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, UM, ACCEPTED POLICE PRACTICES.
UM, BUT WE SHOULD ALWAYS CONSIDER IF IT MAKES SENSE WHEN THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE WE SHOULD BE GOING, OKAY, WHY ARE WE DOING THAT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.
MR. PEN, I INTERRUPTED YOU SOON EARLIER, SORRY, BUT GIVE YOU THE FULL BACK.
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YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT WAS, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS COMMISSION AND WE STARTED REVIEWING CASES THAT THERE WAS, I GUESS, UM, FOUR DIFFERENT FINDINGS THAT WE WOULD FIND THAT'S GONNA BE SUSTAINED, EXONERATED, UNFOUNDED, OR INCONCLUSIVE.AND AT THAT TIME THERE WASN'T, UM, I GUESS ANY SPEAK OF US TALKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF, UM, PUNISHMENT THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THE OFFICER.
AND SO I THINK IT WASN'T UNTIL THE LAST MEETING WHERE THAT CAME UP AND THAT WAS AN OPTION.
SO I DO WANNA SAY, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND US PUTTING TOGETHER A SEPARATE WORKING GROUP TO COME UP WITH OUR OWN SET OF GUIDELINES IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOMMENDING THOSE THINGS.
BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S GONNA BE THREE DIFFERENT WORKING GROUPS AND EACH WORKING GROUP HAS A DIFFERENT SET OF GUIDELINES, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE ACROSS THE BOARD.
SO I DO RECOMMEND CHAIR THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND APPOINT A WORKING GROUP TO SET UP THAT SET, UH, SET OF GUIDELINES SO THAT ALL THREE WORKING GROUPS AND ALL COMMISSIONERS ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
MY QUESTION IS, UM, IF A PO IS THE ONLY CONNECTION TO THE POLICE CHIEF THAT ACTUALLY CAN BE IN THE ROOM AND GIVE ADVICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, AND SOMETIMES THINGS MOVE FASTER, BUT A PO ALSO REPORTS TO US AS THE C-F-P-R-C.
HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT FLOW BETTER SO THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY AND CAPABILITY TO GIVE INPUT? COULD WE THINK OF A HYBRID MODEL ALMOST WHERE WE TIE IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEIRS SINCE THEY DO HAVE ACCESS? AND WE DO NOT, AND WE DON'T, WE ARE NOT, UM, IN THAT PROCESS AS FAR AS BEING IN THE ROOM.
SO WAS THAT, WAS THAT A QUESTION? YEAH, THAT WAS A QUESTION TO THE CHAIR.
UM, HOW CAN, BECAUSE WHAT I'M STARTING TO UNDERSTAND IS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE CODIFIED BY THE VOTE THAT WAS PASSED TO BE AN ORGANIZATION, WE STILL DON'T HAVE MUCH WEIGHT.
AND HOW CAN WE BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE IN PRESENTING OUR FINDINGS IF WE CAN'T BE IN THE ROOM WHEN THE DISCIPLINE MEETINGS HAPPEN OR THE DISMISSAL REVIEW HEARINGS HAPPEN WHILE A PO CAN, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN USE A PO AS THE CONDUIT SO THAT OUR VIEWS CAN STILL GET EXPRESSED IN REAL TIME AS WELL? IF I, IF I WANT TO, IF I'M TO UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, YOU ARE, ARE YOU ASK, ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU TRYING TO BE PART OF THE A P'S PROCESS IN DOING THE INVESTIGATION BECAUSE THEY, THEY MAKE THEIR DISPOSITION? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M JUST SAYING.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS, BECAUSE A PO REPORTS TO THE FINDINGS TO US ANYWAY, CAN IT BE BIDIRECTIONAL AND WE CAN HAVE A PO BE OUR LIAISON BECAUSE WE WE'RE USING THEIR LIAISON.
HE'S IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW, UH, RYAN.
UM, CAN WE HAVE, USE THEM TO GET OUR MESSAGE CONVEYED IN A MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE MANNER? BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACE FOR US RIGHT NOW, LIKE WE, AND IT EVEN SAYS IN THE LAWS THAT THE, BASICALLY IS SAYING THAT THE CHIEF HAS THE ULTIMATE DECISION AUTHORITY, BUT A PO DOES HAVE A ROLE.
CAN WE USE THAT AS NOT EVEN LEVERAGE, BUT TO EVEN THE PLAYING FIELD, IF YOU WILL.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I, WE, WE, WE TEND TO BE GETTING OUT OF, WE'RE GOING OUT A LITTLE BIT OUTTA THE ROLE OF WHAT THIS SESSION WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT.
THIS IS ABOUT DISCUSSING THE SPECIFICS OF THE GENERAL ORDER AS PER SE.
ANY YEAH, I'M ANY SUGGESTIONS ORDER TOO.
THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO ASK A QUESTION.
I ANY SUGGESTION YOU HAVE ABOUT HOW HE'S CHANGED THE PROCESS AND WHAT AND WHAT THING.
I THINK THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
SO WHAT IS THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW? SO THAT'S NOT A SUGGESTION ABOUT HOW WE CHANGE IT.
I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF, WHAT OUR ROLE IS BASED ON WHAT THIS GENERAL ORDER IS.
MY EXPECTATION IS WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT WRITTEN INTO THE GENERAL ORDER.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND.
MY EXPECTATION IS THAT JUST AS A PO, AFTER THEY CONCLUDE THEIR INVESTIGATION, THEY MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WILL BE FORWARD TO CHIEF OF POLICE.
WE ARE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME THING.
INDEPENDENT? NO, THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME, LIKE I SAID, BECAUSE IT LITERALLY IS IN, THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN THE ROOM.
WE ARE NOT, IT IS NOT THE THE SAME.
THEY, THEY, WHILE THEY, THEY ARE, UH, INVESTIGATED BODY ALSO.
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INTERNAL AFFAIRS FINISH THEIR INVESTIGATION.PASSER CHIEF, THE, THE PASSENGER CHAIN, A PO PARTICIPATES IN THAT INVESTIGATION.
AND THEY TEND TO ISSUE AT THE END, A THIS THEIR RECOMMENDATION, THIS DISPOSITION OF WHAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE.
AT THAT POINT, WE GET TO SEE BOTH.
WE GET TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE INVESTIGATION, AND THEN WE DO OUR REVIEW.
WHEN WE DO OUR REVIEW, WE GET A CHANCE THERE AFTER OUR REVIEW AND SEEING WHAT THEY SUGGESTED TO SAY, WE AGREE, DISAGREE, AND, OR WE WOULD WANT TO CHANGE THIS, THIS, AND THAT.
THAT'S OUR CHANCE TO MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
AND THE IDEA IS TO GET THAT IN FRONT OF THE CHIEF OF POLICE BEFORE SHE MAKES HER FINAL DISPOSITION.
JUST LIKE A PO IS TRYING TO DO.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM TO THEM.
THEY HAVE, THEY ALSO HAVE A BOTTLENECK TRYING.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS SO THAT IF WE ARE BOTH EXPERIENCING THE SAME BOTTLENECK, WOULD IT BE SMART TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT ACTUAL BOTTLENECK IS SO THAT WE CAN RESOLVE THAT BASED ON THE RULES? THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE RULES, WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO REVIEW ANY INVESTIGATION OF DEATH AND CUSTODY, SERIOUS BODILY INJURIES, SERIOUS MISCONDUCT AFTER THE COMPLETION OF ANY INVESTIGATION AND PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF DISCIPLINE.
SO ACCORDING TO THE RULES, WE CANNOT BE A PART IN THE ROOM.
WE, WE WE'RE NEVER GONNA BE ABLE TO BE IN THE ROOM.
I UNDERSTAND THAT
AND SO I'M SAYING SINCE WE HAVE THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM ANYWAY, IS IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE MEETING THAT WE CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS SO THAT SINCE THEY DO HAVE THE AVAIL ABILITY TO BE IN THE ROOM, THAT WE CAN USE THAT TO ALSO MAKE OUR POSITION KNOWN, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M, I'M GONNA BE FORCED TO DO THIS AGAIN.
BUT WE ARE, THE, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM IS TO DISCUSS THOSE NA, THE NARROW ITEMS IN THE GENERAL ORDER TO TRY TO, TO CLARIFY OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE EXISTING PROCESS AND THE EXISTING ORDER, NOT TO ANY SUGGESTIONS OR ANY IDEAS ABOUT HOW THINGS COULD BE CHANGED.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OUT OF, COMMISSIONER AGREES.
I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NEXT PROCESS IS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.
I KNOW THAT YOU LIKE TO STAY ON TRACK, AND I KNOW THAT YOU THINK REALLY LINEARLY.
AND I KNOW THAT IT MAY IRRITATE YOU, BUT EXACTLY.
AND SO I'M GOING TO DIGRESS RIGHT NOW.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU, AND I'LL SAY I'M SORRY AS CHAIR, I'LL SAY I, I WANT TO STAY WITHIN THE, THE, YOU'VE MADE THAT VERY CLEAR.
SO THEN IF I MADE IT VERY CLEAR, THEN PLEASE RESPECT THAT JOY.
WELL, PLEASE RESPECT ME TOO, BECAUSE I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
WILL, WILL YOU PLEASE CHAIR, WILL, WILL, CAN WE PLEASE FOCUS THE, OUR ATTENTION ON THIS? AND I THINK I SUGGESTED THAT NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE THE, THE, THE BENEFIT OF HAVING, UH, LEGAL PRESENT.
AND WE CAN MAKE ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND HOW THINGS COULD BE CHANGED OR NOT.
YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT WE ARE HAVING TO GO BACK CHAIR, CHANGE THE CHAIR, AND I HAVE NO URGENCY FOR, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE RESPECT FOR THAT CHAIR.
THE RESPECT THE CHAIR IS NOT SHOWING RESPECT EITHER.
I ASK THAT YOU, I, I DIGRESS AND I SAY THAT.
UM, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, SPECIFICALLY, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS SPECIFICALLY DIRECTED, EXCUSE ME, WHAT TO THIS ITEM, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I, SORRY.
IS THERE A PROCESS THAT IF A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC IS BEING DISRUPTIVE, THAT THEY CAN BE REMOVED? UH, OR I, I'M, I'M FINE.
THIS, I, I MEAN, I, I'M JUST SAYING, IS THERE A PROCESS? WELL, WE JUST HAVE TO JUST REMEMBER TO DECORUM.
SO EVERYONE HERE, JUST STAY ON TOPIC.
LET'S GET THROUGH THIS AGENDA.
SO WE COULD EITHER STAY ON THIS TOPIC OR WE'LL MOVE INTO THE NEXT ITEM.
WE MADE COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE CHAIR.
SO CAN I STAY ON TOPIC AND DISCONTINUE IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER EUGENE, SPECIFIC TO THE THIS TOPIC? UH, PLEASE MAKE THOSE NOW THE REST OF YOU.
AND IF THERE'RE NOT, I'D LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO, TO END THIS, UH, SECTION, PLEASE.
[6. Update from the CPRC Year in Review Working Group regarding preparation of the Commission's Year in Review report. ]
TO NOW ITEM NUMBER SIX, WORKING GROUP UPDATES.UH, ANY UPDATES FROM THE WORKING GROUP CPRC YEAR REVIEW WORKING GROUP REGARDING THE PREPARATION OF THE COMMISSION'S YEAR IN REVIEW REPORT? MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? YES.
UH, WE MET YESTERDAY, COMMISSIONER HARRIS AND COMMISSIONER PENA AND MYSELF AS THE, UM, WE'RE CALLING IT AN ANNUAL REPORT WORKING GROUP.
UH, WE HAD A VERY GOOD, UH, COMPREHENSIVE MEETING.
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UH, WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS FOCUS ON AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS, HAVING AN INCLUSIVE PROCESS THAT WOULD SOLICIT THE VOICE FROM ALL COMMISSIONERS.UH, WE CAME UP WITH A TABLE OF CONTENTS THAT I WILL REVIEW.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO DISTRIBUTE IT.
UH, WE ALSO CAME UP WITH A TIMELINE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PRODUCE AND VOTE ON A ANNUAL REPORT BY NOVEMBER.
AND BASICALLY THAT PROCESS WOULD START TODAY.
UH, THERE'S NO NOTHING TO VOTE ON RIGHT NOW.
WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE.
UM, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS RIGHT NOW, THIS IS, THIS IS NOTHING, NONE OF THIS IS IN STONE.
SO THIS IS SUBJECT TO THE WILL OF THE, OF THE BODY.
BUT WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS, UH, AND NOT NECESSARILY IN THIS ORDER, BUT A SECTION THAT WE DEAL WITH, THE CASES THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED, UH, THE PROCESS FOR REVIEWING THOSE CASES, A HISTORY OF THE COMMISSION, UH, SPECIFICALLY OUTLINING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE PRIOR, UH, CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AND OUR COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION AND ITS SCOPE AND PURPOSE.
UM, SOLICIT RECOMMENDATIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
UH, UH, SOLICIT THEIR PERSONAL FIRST YEAR REFLECTIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS THEIR FIRST YEAR OR WHATEVER PERIOD THEY'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WHAT ARE THEIR REFLECTIONS ON THAT, ON THAT PERIOD.
WE ALSO DISCUSS HAVING, UH, KIND OF A LEGISLATIVE AGENDA OR LEGISLATIVE INSIGHT OR STATUS OR RECOMMENDATION, MAYBE LESS LEGISLATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.
UM, UH, THEN HAVE SOME QUANTITATIVE INFORMATION FROM OPO, LIKE THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, THE NUMBER OF CASES THAT WE REVIEWED, UM, THE NUMBER OF, UH, PUBLIC TESTIMONIES THAT WE'VE HAD, ET CETERA.
UM, SO THOSE WOULD BE THE, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE, UH, TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR AN ANNUAL REPORT.
AND THEN WE CAME WITH A TIMELINE THAT I DO BELIEVE HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED, UM, UH, WHICH BASICALLY WOULD START WITH WHERE WE MET YESTERDAY.
UH, WE, WE HAVE CREATED A COMMISSIONER INPUT FORM, BUT IT'S STILL IN DRAFT FORM.
HOPEFULLY WE'D BE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT TODAY FOR OKAY.
FOR COMMISSIONERS TO TAKE A LOOK AT.
AND THEN THAT WOULD BE DUE BACK, UM, AT THE NEXT, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
BUT BASICALLY GOING DOWN THIS, THIS TIMELINE WOULD ALLOW US TO SOLICIT INPUT FROM ALL COMMISSIONERS.
WE'D HAVE TWO REVIEW SESSIONS WHERE WE WOULD REVIEW THE INITIAL DRAFT AND THEN A SECOND DRAFT.
AND THEN WE COME BACK AND BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT BY NOVEMBER AT OUR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 20TH OF, UH, 2026.
UM, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT, IT WAS, IT CAN IT, IT CAN START TODAY ONCE WE GET OUT THE COMMISSIONER INPUT FORM AND MAKE A REQUEST TO OPO FOR THEIR QUANTITATIVE INFORMATION.
THAT, THAT'S, I, THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.
UM, UM, ONLY PRACTICAL PROBLEM WE HAVE, AND THIS IS A, A STATUTORY THING, IS THAT THAT REPORT IS DUE THE 31ST OF JULY, 2026.
AND THE EXPECTATION IS THE CHAIR AND OUR VICE CHAIR WILL SUBMIT THAT TO, UH, YEAH.
AND SO WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS IF, IF WE CAN GET ANYTHING YOU HAVE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO, UM, TRY AWAY OF ACCELERATING THAT AND GETTING AS MUCH AS YOU HAVE IN THE, IN THE SYSTEM.
BECAUSE I THINK THE DATE IS, IS, UH, STATUTORY.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT.
STATUTORY REQUIRE, IT DOES SAY REPORT AT LEAST ANNUALLY TO THE PUBLIC ON THE RESULTS OF ITS ACTIVITIES RELEASING TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES AND THE PUBLIC AT THE SAME TIME.
SO IT, I DON'T SEE A SPECIFIC DATE.
IT JUST SAYS AT LEAST ANNUALLY.
SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS.
UM, WE JUST RECEIVED A NEW IMPLEMENTATION FOR THIS YEAR, 2026.
UM, NOW IT'S GONNA BE AN ONLINE SUBMISSION, AND IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ACTUAL REPORT THAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SEND.
UM, SO THE CHAIR'S GONNA SUBMIT A, IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A ONLINE WEBSITE, THE BOARD'S COMMISSION'S WEBPAGE.
IT'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT THE CHAIR IS GONNA HAVE TO ANSWER.
UM, I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE MORE ON THE SUBJECT.
I JUST GOT NOTIFICATION OF THIS YESTERDAY.
SO I'M GONNA HAVE A MEETING WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR ON MONDAY, AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO WORK IT OUT.
SO WHATEVER YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHATEVER THE WORKING GROUP HAS NOW, JUST IN THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA HELP HIM FACILITATE THROUGH THESE QUESTIONS.
THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE ONLINE SYSTEM.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S COMING FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE OR THE CITY.
IT'S COMING FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
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BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THEY ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
YOU CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN STILL DO OUR PROCESS, CALL IT WHATEVER WE WANT TO CALL IT.
BUT I THINK THIS PROCESS IS GONNA BE MORE INCLUSIVE AND GIVE OPPORTUNITY, GIVE COMMISSIONERS A CHANCE TO REALLY EXPRESS THEIR INTEREST.
I, I ABSOLUTELY WANT THAT TO CONTINUE.
IT'S GONNA BE A JULY 31ST, 2026 REPORT.
IT'S GONNA COME IN AND IT'S GONNA PROBABLY NOT HAVE ALL YOUR FEEDBACKS.
UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S PER, IT'S A PERSONAL PROBLEM FOR ME.
'CAUSE I, I HAD SOME PERSONAL TIME.
I WASN'T EXPECTING TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S, IT HAS TO BE DONE IN TIME AND BETWEEN COMMISSION WITH THE, UH, VICE HERE.
AND I, WE WILL HAVE TO GET THAT, UH, THAT DONE.
AND COMMISSIONER EUGENE, I LIKE THIS TIMELINE.
UM, A PO WAS REVIEWING IT YESTERDAY, SO THIS IS A PERFECT TIMELINE.
THE DATES WILL HAVE TO CHANGE.
SO IT'S GONNA BE JULY 20, 25TH OF JULY 12.
THIS IS GONNA BE FOR NEXT YEAR.
IT'S GONNA BE JULY, 2026 TO JUNE OF 2025.
SO WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ADJUST THE TIMELINE FOR NEXT YEAR'S REPORT.
CAN I MAKE A MOTION? NO, IT'S CAN'T.
WELL, MY, MY QUESTION IS, WE CAN, I GUESS, UNILATERALLY AGREE TO WRITE A DRAFT TO THE, UM, CITY CLERK AND REQUEST AN EXTENSION.
WITH ANY CITY PROCESS, WITH ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE PRODUCED, YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST AN EXTENSION.
SO I THINK IF WE UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUSLY DO THAT, THAT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE.
SO THE EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED YESTERDAY, I DO WANT TO READ IT FOR VERBATIM.
CAN YOU SEND IT TO US? I CAN SEND IT TO YOU.
SO AS THIS SPECIFIC DEADLINE IS DETAILED IN CODE, THERE IS NO ABILITY TO EXTEND OR WAIVE THE DEADLINE.
PLEASE NOTE THAT AFTER THE DEADLINE PASSES, WE ARE REQUIRED TO SEND A REPORT TO THE CITY AUDITOR OUTLINING ALL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT FAILED TO FILE.
SO WHAT, WHAT DID YOU JUST READ TO US? SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS PART OF, OF CITY CODE 2 1 4 6.
AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU SO THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS A NEW PROCESS THAT WAS SENT TO ME YESTERDAY.
UH, THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED TO THE CITY ON IN SOMETIME IN JUNE.
AND I WASN'T PART OF THAT COMMUNICATION.
AND SO WHEN I WAS ASKING FOR A TEMPLATE SO THAT WAY I COULD SEND TO THE WORKING GROUP, THEY NOTIFIED ME OF THE NEW PROCESS.
BUT WHAT YOU READ TO US WAS, UH, SO THE REPORT FOR CONSEQUENCES, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GONNA READ WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT ARE THEY REQUESTING FOR THE REPORT? YEAH.
SO THERE'S SOME QUESTIONS IN HERE THAT THEY HAVE THAT I'M GONNA SEND TO THE COMMISSION.
IT'S A QUESTION HERE, BUT THE REPORT DOES HAVE TO BE, WELL, THE CHAIR, THE VICE CHAIR WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT IT BY, BY JULY 31ST FOR THIS YEAR TO COMPLY WITH THIS.
AGAIN, I REALLY THINK THAT YOU CAN DISPUTE THAT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T GIVEN THAT INFORMATION IN THE TIME PERIOD THAT, WHAT IS IT? SEVEN DAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE INTRODUCED WITH THAT INFORMATION.
AND SO SINCE IT DOESN'T MEET THAT REQUIREMENT, I JUST WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU CHALLENGE THAT.
WELL, MY INCLINATION RIGHT NOW IS I WILL, I WANT TO GO AND LOOK AT THAT QUESTIONNAIRE AND SEE WHAT WE DID AND, AND VERIFY THAT SOME OF THE INFORM THE STUFF THAT, THAT YOU, THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER WILL NOT ANSWER SOME OF IT ALREADY.
I'M PRETTY SURE THAT, UH, SOME OF THE CONCERNS, THE TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO GO AND, AND, UH, THERE'S SOME TIMING ISSUES OF COURSE, THAT, WHICH YOUR TIMER WOULD'VE BEEN, GIVE US SEVERAL WEEKS TO GO AND EACH MEMBER PUT THEIR, THEIR THING THAT MAY HAVE TO BE, UH, MEET JOHN JULY 31ST DATE.
BUT I, I HAVE TO SEE THE, THE, UH, THING.
I JUST, MY INTENTION IS, UH, IF, IF, LET'S GO, LET'S GO.
AND ONCE THERE'S A PROCESS, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO FOLLOW IT.
GIVE IT A SHOT, TRY TO FOLLOW IT.
UM, SO, SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S DUE AT THE END OF JULY.
WE'RE AT A MEETING WHERE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
SO WE, WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO IT IS APPRO IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS THOSE QUESTIONS UNDER THIS TOPIC IF WE COULD RECEIVE THEM.
SO CAN YOU SEND 'EM TO A, TO A NOW, CHRIS, DO YOU WANT 'EM NOW? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
AND IF WE DON'T CHALLENGE IT NOW, WE MAY BE WAIVING IT.
NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T RESPOND BY THE 31ST, BUT THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO DISPLACE THIS PROCESS.
OH, I, I, YOU AND I ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON, ON, ON AGREEMENT.
I WANT, WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT WHEN EVERYBODY'S CHANCE TO, TO PUT THEIR FEEDBACK IN.
BUT, UM, FACED WITH THE JULY 31ST THING, I NEED TO
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LOOK AT THAT TOO FOR BEFORE WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AND CHALLENGE IT.SO I DON'T, I, MY MY INTUITION IS NOT TO CHALLENGE SOMETHING THAT, THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE TIME LIMITS THAT PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GIVEN.
BUT I SAID IT'S, I, I LIKE TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE AND IT THAT INVOLVE FOR ME PERSONALLY, SINCE IT'S THE CHAIR IS SUPPOSED TO DO IT, I LIKE, I NEED TO, I LIKE TO SEE THAT.
AND THAT'S, UM, SO YOU SHOULD BE GETTING RICK EMAIL SHORTLY.
AND THEN WHEN YOU SCROLL DOWN, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A SET OF, UH, 13 QUESTIONS THAT IT'S GONNA BE ASKING THE CHAIR TO ENTER ANSWERS IN, INTO THE ONLINE SYSTEM.
AND THE QUESTIONS ARE TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE QUESTIONS, UH, SHOULD BE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR.
THERE'S THEIR NEW STATUS, A QUESTIONNAIRE.
UM, IT'S VERY POSSIBLE OTHER COMMISSIONS HAD TROUBLE PUTTING THEIR THING TOGETHER, AND THAT'S WHY THEY, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
BUT, UH, AND, UH, ISSUE WOULD BE, COULD THOSE QUESTIONS BE ANSWERED WITH THE INFORMATION YOU PUT TOGETHER? OKAY.
'CAUSE I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY LYING.
UH, YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO READ QUESTION? I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT QUESTION.
ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT QUESTIONS.
NAME OF BOARD OR COMMISSION? ONE.
HAS THE BOARD OF COMMISSION'S ACTIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR COMPLIED WITH CITY COUNCIL DIRECTORS AND BYLAWS? THIS SHOULD ADDRESS ALL ELEMENTS OF THE BOARD'S MISSION STATEMENT AS PROVIDED IN THE RELEVANT SECTIONS OF THE CITY CODE.
HOW MANY RECOMMENDATIONS DID YOUR BOARD OR COMMISSION APPROVE? FOUR.
PLEASE LIST THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBERS.
WHICH RECOMMENDATIONS ARE CLOSELY ALIGNED TO THE ORGANIZATION'S CORE MISSION AND WHY? SIX.
WHICH RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ADJACENT TO THE ORGANIZATION'S CORE MISSION AND WHY? SEVEN.
PLEASE SHARE ANY FURTHER CONTEXT THAT COULD SUPPORT OR EXPLAIN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THERE AN, IS THERE ANOTHER BODY THAT OVERLAPS WITH THE ROLE AND WORK OF THE BOARD COMMISSION YOU SERVE? MM-HMM
A, AA? IF YES, WHICH BODY A B, PLEASE EXPLAIN THEIR ALIGNMENT.
DO THE BYLAWS NEED TO BE UPDATED? NINE A.
IF YES, WHAT WOULD THE AMENDMENT AND WHY? 10.
ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, HOW ENGAGED ARE THE BOARD OR COMMISSION MEMBERS? 11.
ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, HOW ENGAGED IS THE COMMUNITY? 12.
DO YOU SEE ANY GAPS IN IMPORTANT POLICIES THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY COVERED BY A BOARD OR COMMISSION? A 12 A.
LIST THE BOARD'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR.
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? YOU ARE ALREADY, SO THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS FOR LIKE AN AUDIT REPORT.
THIS IS A AUDIT TYPE DOCUMENT FOR INTERNAL REVIEW FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO MEASURE ITS METRICS AND HOW WELL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE DOING.
WHAT WE WANNA PUT TOGETHER IS SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN EXPRESS WHAT WE ARE DOING TO OUR PUBLIC.
THERE THERE ARE LITERALLY TWO, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN WITH THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY NEW COMMISSIONS THERE'S BEEN WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT THIS IS OUR, OUR FIRST LIKE, FULL YEAR ON THE COMMISSION.
SO THESE QUESTIONS ARE KIND OF BIASED.
AND I ALSO WANNA POINT OUT, OUR COMMISSION IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT THERE ARE, BECAUSE OURS IS THE ONLY ONE WE'RE APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER.
AND SO I THINK THE CRITERIA FOR THIS, AND AGAIN, I AGREE THIS IS MORE OF AN AUDIT TYPE THING, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BIASED TOWARDS OUR PARTICULAR GROUP BECAUSE OF THE WAY OF US BEING, YOU KNOW, JUST IN OUR FIRST YEAR AND BEING A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMISSION, THEY NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, LIKE MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE FOR ANY OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, I WOULD PUT IN A, BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED TO GO INTO DETAILS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY IF THIS IS GOING TO BE GOING
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TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S GONNA MAKE US LOOK DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER COMMISSIONS.AND AS WE HAVE MENTIONED IN THE PAST TWO MONTHS, WE REALLY STEPPED OUR GAME UP AND WE'VE BECOME EFFECTIVE.
SO THIS IS BIAS AND IT JUST DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OUR WORK PERMISSION TO BE RECOGNIZED.
WHERE DOES THIS INFORMATION GO, UH, TO COMMISSIONER PENA'S POINT? WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY GET THESE RESULTS? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT IS THIS INFORMATION USED FOR? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S USED IN THE AUDIT FORM TO SEE IF WE'RE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE, AND THEN IF NOT TO MAKE PLANS OR RESOLUTION TO EITHER, UM, DISBAND OR MERGE OR ELIMINATE, BECAUSE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IS LOOKING AT, DO OTHER PEOPLE IN YOUR AREA DO THE SAME TYPE OF WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO WHAT IS, WHAT IS THIS DATA BEING GATHERED FOR? IS MY QUESTION.
SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING WITH THE, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO GET THIS NEW PROCESS DOWN, AND THEN I'M GONNA MEET WITH THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR NEXT WEEK.
UH, SO WE CAN PROVIDE FEEDBACK ONCE OUR MEETING'S FINISHED.
AND I'M GONNA EMAIL THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
MAY, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED MM-HMM
SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS, AND IT SAYS IT, IT SAYS, PURSUANT TO SECTION OF THE CODE, A BOARD CHAIR MUST CONDUCT AN ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW, INTERNAL REVIEW OF THE BOARD AND PREPARE AN INTERNAL REVIEW REPORT.
I FEEL THIS IS SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
I, SO WE CAN CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION ON DOING THIS.
AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TIMELINE FOR NEXT YEAR.
'CAUSE THE QUESTIONS WE ARE LOOKING INTO ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY RELATED TO WHAT THIS REPORT IS, IS ABOUT.
SO I SAY WE, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU TO GET THIS SUBMITTED, BUT WE CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT YEAH.
AND I, AND I WANT TO, I THINK THAT'S PERFECT.
WE, WE WILL FILL OUT THE JULY 31ST THING AND GET THAT DONE.
BUT THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE SHOULD STOP.
I THINK I SAID THAT LIKE HALF AN HOUR AGO.
WE SHOULD STOP THIS PROCESS, IS THAT THIS IS THE PROCESS WE WANT TO FOLLOW.
THIS IS GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERY SINGLE COMMISSION WHEN SOMEBODY DECIDES NOT THAT THE CHAIR'S GONNA BE GONE.
WE HAVE THOSE FEEDBACKS FOR THE REASON WHY IT SAYS THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING TO DO.
BUT WE WANNA MAKE EVERYBODY AWARE THAT WE HAVE THAT 31ST JULY 30.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL SESSION FOR JULY 31ST TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION BEFORE IT GETS SENT.
IF WE HAVE A 5:00 PM DEADLINE, WHICH WILL BE END OF THE DAY OF JULY 31ST, THAT WOULD GIVE US TWO WEEKS, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING YOU GUYS SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION AND WE HAVEN'T APPROVED IT.
WE NEED TO SET A SPECIAL MEETING TO APPROVE THAT BEFORE IT'S SUBMITTED.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
SO I'M CALLING, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR ANOTHER MEETING ON JULY 31ST.
WHAT, WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IS THAT? THAT'S NEXT.
YEAH, THIS IS, UM, ANY, OH, ARE WE GONNA CALL FOR DISCUSSION? WELL, I, THE, I AM I'M GONNA OVERRULE THAT.
I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND AS IT'S, I'LL SUBMIT TO JULY 31ST AND YOU GUYS CAN CONTINUE TO PROCEED THAT I BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE, THE, THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU SAW THAT WERE THERE, THEY'RE NOT QUESTIONS THAT ARE NOT THAT IMPOSSIBLE TO ANSWER IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS.
THEY'RE GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WAS DONE AND WHAT WAS, UH, WHAT CAN BE, WHAT IS, UM, WHICH THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION.
AND I THINK THAT IT'S OUR, UH, IT'S BETWEEN THE, IT'S BETWEEN THE, THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND CHAIR TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS YOU, AS YOU POSE THEM.
I SEE YOUR ORIGINAL SUGGESTION ABOUT CONTINUING WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO DO AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
BUT I DO NOT WANT TO MISS THE JULY 31ST DATE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S, IF IT'S THE BURDEN IS ON THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M GONNA, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, THAT IS, UH, COMPLETE.
AND AS CHAIR, I'M NOT GONNA, I REFUSE TO, UH, UM, NOT FULFILL MY DUTY AS FULFILLING, WHICH IS TO FULFILL THAT, THAT, UM, QUESTIONNAIRE.
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? I MEAN, I HAVE THE SAME, I HAD THE
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VERY SAME CONCERN AS COMMISSIONER PENA THAT THIS WOULD BE SUBMITTED WITHOUT IT BEING APPROVED BY THE BODY, WHICH, WHICH ALSO GIVES YOU PROTECTION, UM, UH, AS THE CHAIR, UM, DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT BEING SUBMITTED, BUT JUST IN TERMS OF PROCESS, I MEAN, IT, THE CITY SHOULD NOT REQUIRE A PROCESS THAT DOES NOT ALLOW INPUT OR A VOTE FROM THE ENTIRE BODY, UM, ON SOMETHING THAT'S BEING SUBMITTED.I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S UNFAIR TO YOU.
AND I THINK IT'S AN, IT'S AN UNFAIR PROCESS.
I, WELL, LIKE I SAID, THE, ONE OF THE LAIES OF THE CHAIR, GOOD OR NOT, IS TO BE ABLE TO DIRECT THE AGENDA.
AND I, UM, I, UM, WILL I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION, A PARLIAMENTARY INQUIRY.
IF THIS MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND IT'S BEEN SECOND, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE CHAIR CAN VETO IT.
I THINK THAT UNDER ROBERT'S RULES, SHE MAY BE RIGHT.
AND THIS, THIS BOARD IS GOVERNED BY ROBERT'S RULES.
THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S NOT AN AGENDA.
I CAN, UM, I CAN, I HAVE THE LATITUDE TO DIRECT IT AND, UM, UNTIL FOR THE NOTICE, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO DO.
I THINK FOR JUST, UM, TRANSPARENCY AND COMMON, COMMON DECENCY, I GUESS IS WHAT I SEE PEOPLE OBJECTING TO, IS NOT THAT YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY THAT'S NOT BEING QUESTIONED.
IT'S ABOUT, IT'S SO MUCH SUBJECTIVITY TO WHAT YOUR RESPONSE COULD BE.
THAT'S WHY WE WANT UNANIMOUS CONSENT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY JUST LOOKING AT THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAVE TODAY, WE DON'T ALL SPEAK FROM THE SAME PERSPECTIVE OR VIEWPOINT.
AND SO IF WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME RESPONSES THAT ARE ALIGNED TO ALL OF US AS OPPOSED TO YOU WIELDING THAT AUTHORITY, UM, I JUST THINK IT WOULD MAKE IT A MORE INTENTIONAL AND DELIBERATE DOCUMENT.
'CAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT THE CITY DOES NOT KNOW WHAT OUR JOB IS.
AND SO THAT'S NOT REALLY THE REASON THAT THIS, UH, REPORT IS BEING ASKED FOR.
AND I KNOW THEY KNOW EVERYBODY THAT THEY'RE ASKING WHAT THEIR ROLES ARE.
THIS IS NOT JUST THAT LEVEL OF QUESTIONNAIRE.
THERE'S AN INSTATE TO IT, AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE GONNA PROCEED ANYWAY WITH IT BEING A UNILATERAL DECISION.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY, I CHECKED RECORD, I CHECKED THE ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, AND SINCE THERE WAS A SECOND, THE CHAIR IS NOT ALLOWED TO VETO IT.
AND WE ARE GOVERNED BY ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, BUT HE, HE, HE, UH, MAY, MAY RECOGNIZE THE CHAIRMAN.
UM, UH, SHE DOES HAVE A POINT.
IT'S, IT WAS NOT ON THE AGENDA TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE THING AGAIN.
AND I SAID THE LATITUDE IS MY LATITUDE AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE, MAYBE IT'S APPROPRIATE THING TO GIVE AN EXPLANATION, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO RISK MEETING THE DEADLINE.
AND, UM, WHETHER YOU AGREE OR NOT WITH THAT, WITH THAT, AT LEAST YOU'LL KNOW WHAT MY THING.
I DON'T HAVE THE, THE, THE FATE THAT IN A WEEK WE WILL HAVE THE BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE WOULD BE, THIS WILL BE REVIEWED AND DONE IN CH IN, IN, IN TIME FOR THAT TO BE, FOR THAT THIS, THAT DEADLINE TO BE MET.
I, I, SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY WHAT I'M SAYING.
I, I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ANY INPUT ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M SAYING THE INFORMATION THAT YOU INTEND TO UNDERSTAND, SUBMIT, WE SHOULD VOTE ON.
I, I'VE JUST, I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID AND I'VE JUST, I'VE DECIDED THAT WE'RE GONNA END THIS SUBJECT NOW.
THERE'S NO, NO VOTING ON, ON THE, ON THE ISSUE, THE INTENTIONS THAT BY JULY 31ST THERE IS GOING TO BE SUBMITTED.
YOU'LL SEE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, AND, UH, WE WILL MEET THAT DEADLINE.
AND I, AND I, I GIVE YOU MY REASON, I DON'T HAVE FATE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO, AS A GROUP, BE ABLE TO, TO DO THAT IN TIME SO THAT, AND I DON'T WANNA DISMISSING IT.
SO WE CAN, UH, WE CAN, THEN YOU HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE THE, THE PROCEDURE.
YOU CAN ALWAYS, UH, LATER, UH, UM, IN ANGER DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE CHAIR.
BUT FOR NOW, I'M GONNA CALL THIS, THIS, THIS POINT ON WHAT WE DECIDE IS THAT THAT PROCESS WILL CONTINUE AND THE JULY 31ST AND JULY 31ST, THERE WILL BE A SUBMISSION TO THE CITY AND TIME.
AND THIS, THIS, UH, COMMISSION WILL NOT BE DE DELINQUENT ON, ON MEETING THEIR, UH, ITS OBLIGATION ON THAT, THAT THING, UNFAIR OR NOT FAIR.
AND I'M PUTTING THE BURDEN, THE BURDEN'S ON ME TOO.
WELL, I THINK WE'VE REACHED THE END.
AND, UM, IT IS FOUR 30 IN TIME TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING UNLESS
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
THERE'S ANY OTHER ITEMS TO DISCUSS.[01:30:01]
UM, SO IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION.I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE, UM, ACTUALLY BEING ARRESTED BY THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR RECORDING THE AUSTIN POLICE.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING PUT ON THE AGENDA, OR IF WE CAN GET CLARIFICATION AS TO WHAT THE EXACT POLICY IS FOR RECORDING THE POLICE, BECAUSE I DO HAVE CONSTITUENTS THAT ARE CATCHING FELONY OBSTRUCTION CHARGES FOR RECORDING AUSTIN POLICE.
UM, AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS WAS JUST A SINGLE INCIDENT, BUT, UM, AFTER SOCIAL MEDIA HAS COME OUT, IS, UM, NOT JUST A SINGLE INCIDENT AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.
RYAN, YOU GETTING IT? MM-HMM
YES, THAT'D BE SOMETHING FOR FUTURE AGENDA ITEM.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, UH, ME AND COMMISSIONER FRANCO'S, UH, RESOLUTION OR SOLUTION, WHATEVER IT WAS THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, UM, TODAY, UM, TO HAVE IT ADDED AS AN AGENDA ITEM SO THAT IT DOESN'T KEEP GETTING CARRIED FORWARD.
MAY I BE RECOGNIZED, MR. CHAIR? MM-HMM
FOR FUTURE AGENDA? FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE PROCESS FOR DIS CONSIDERING AND DISCUSSING, UH, CURRENT EVENTS AND ISSUES OF PUBLIC CONCERN AND, AND COMMISSIONER PENN THAT MAY INCLUDE WHAT YOU'RE BRINGING FORWARD.
IT, IT, IT, IT'S A SUBSET OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
LIKE HOW DO WE GET ON THE AGENDA, CURRENT ISSUES TO DISCUSS.
YOU GOT A SPECIFIC ISSUE?
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I LIKE THE, IT'S, UM, YOU SHOULD CLOSE THIS MEETING.