* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] 5:00 PM [CALL MEETING TO ORDER] UH, AND WE DO HAVE QUORUM. SO I'M CALLING THIS MEETING OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION TO ORDER. UH, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC SPEAKERS? NO, NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OKAY. UM, IN THAT CASE, WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR REGULAR AGENDA. AND I JUST HAVE A NOTE, UM, FOR FOLKS THAT, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DISCUSSION ITEM DISCUSSION ON RESTRUCTURING GREEN CHOICE, UM, WILL NOT BE TAKEN UP TONIGHT. WE'LL, UH, TABLE THAT FOR A FUTURE MEETING DATE. UH, THAT BEING SAID, FIRST ITEM [1. Approve the minutes of the Regular Called Resource Management Commission Meeting on June 16, 2026.] ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UH, FROM THE JUNE 16TH MEETING. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION? MAY I HAVE A SECOND? UH, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, BY CHAIR ROBBINS, AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KENARD, UH, TO ADOPT THE, UH, MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 16TH MEETING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AROUND THOSE MINUTES? HEARING NONE WILL MOVE TO THE QUESTION. ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 16TH, 2026 MEETING. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. I HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, AYE FIVE, SIX, AND AN AYE FROM COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN. UH, THAT'S SEVEN AND THE MINUTES ARE ADOPTED. ALRIGHT, NEXT UP IS [2. Staff briefing regarding the solar permitting process by Richard Genece Vice President, Customer Energy Solutions, Austin Energy.] THE STAFF BRIEFING REGARDING THE SOLAR PERMITTING PROCESS BY RICHARD GENESEE. UM, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I'M RICHARD GENESEE, VICE PRESIDENT OF CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS FOR AUSTIN ENERGY. UM, SO GONNA PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT AND, UH, HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH A VERY, UH, YOU KNOW, A SIX ITEM AGENDA, UH, SIX TOPICS WE'RE GONNA COVER, STARTING WITH OUR CULTURE OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH AUSTIN ENERGY'S COMMITMENTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO, OUR, UM, OUR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IS FOUNDATIONAL TO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AT, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY, PARTICULARLY IN THE SOLAR PROGRAM. UM, CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IS FOUNDATIONAL TO OUR CULTURE. AND THROUGHOUT THE 22 YEARS THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN SOLAR, UM, CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT HAS BEEN AT THE VERY HEART OF HOW AND WHAT WE DO, UH, RELATED TO, UH, THE PROGRAMS, THE PROCESSES, AND HOW WE, UH, ENGAGE WITH, UH, THE INDUSTRY AND WITH CUSTOMERS. NEXT SLIDE. AS WE WORK TOWARDS MEANINGFUL IMPROVEMENTS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY THE HIGH LEVEL GOALS THAT GUIDE OUR EFFORTS. AUSTIN ENERGY HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON IMPROVEMENTS THAT SHORTEN TIMEFRAMES, MAKE PROCESSES EASIER FOR USERS, ENSURE COST OF SERVICE ALIGNMENT, MAINTAINING SAFETY, AND STRENGTHENING COMMUNICATION. ULTIMATELY, OUR PURPOSE IS TO ENHANCE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FOR SOLAR AND BATTERY AND INTERCONNECTIONS WHILE REDUCING COSTS. ACHIEVING THESE OUTCOMES SUPPORTS THE INDUSTRY, THE LOCAL SOLAR INDUSTRY, AND ADVANCES THE CITY'S RESOURCE GENERATION AND CLIMATE PROTECTION GOALS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. CUSTOMER, UH, RE RENEWABLE SOLUTIONS WITHIN CUSTOMER ENERGY SOLUTIONS HOLDS REGULAR MEETINGS TO ENSURE STAKEHOLDERS ARE CONSULTED AND INFORMED TO COMMUNICATE CHANGES AND INITIATIVES, TO PROBLEM SOLVE ISSUES, AND TO REFINE APPROACHES WHILE ENSURING SAFETY, BUSINESS INTEGRITY, AND IMPROVED EFFICIENCY. THESE MEETINGS OCCUR BOTH INTERNALLY AND EXTERNALLY, AND TOUCH ALL STAKEHOLDERS IN OUR SOLAR PROCESS. CRS STAFF PROVIDE SOLAR CONCIERGE STYLE SERVICES CONSULTING REGULARLY WITH CONTRACTORS TO IDENTIFY AND ADDRESS ISSUES AND TO HELP GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT CONCIERGE STYLE, UH, MEETINGS OR CON CONCIERGE STYLE SERVICES MEANS, IT MEANS THAT WE TAILOR OUR SERVICES INDIVIDUALLY TO INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTORS BASED ON WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE'VE MADE, WE'VE MADE, UH, [00:05:02] WE'VE MADE SUCCESSFUL PROGRESS, UH, MEANINGFUL PROGRESS THROUGH MAPPING PROCESSES, DOCUMENTING WORKFLOW, STEP INSTRUCTIONS, REDUCING REDUNDANCY AND BOTTLENECKS, AND IMPROVING TIMELINES. CRS HAS ENABLED THE SCALING OF RESOURCES, ENSURING THAT THE INSPECTION GROUP IS APPROPRIATELY STAFFED UNDER FLUCTUATING DEMAND. FIELD OPS RECENTLY WORKED WITH AUSTIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO RESOLVE LONGSTANDING SHUTDOWN SCHEDULING CHALLENGES, REDUCING DELAYS FROM MONTHS TO SIMPLY DAYS. IN APRIL, CRS ENABLED ELECTRICAL PLAN REVIEW, WHICH CATCHES DESIGN ISSUES BEFORE CONSTRUCTION, REDUCING COSTLY REWORK AND DELAYS AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, ALL SOLAR PLAN REVIEW AND INSPECTION FEES HAVE GONE THROUGH A COST OF SERVICE ANALYSIS AND FEE ALIGNMENT EXERCISE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO, PROACTIVE TRAININGS A CLEAN WEBSITE, IMPROVED CROSS-FUNCTIONAL COLLABORATION FOR EQUIPMENT. UM, THESE ARE SOME OF THE PROGRAMMATIC AND SYSTEMATIC SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE. UM, WE HAVE A, IN TERMS OF HAVING A CLEAR WEBSITE AND EXPLICIT APPLICATION PROCESSES, WE'VE INCLUDED UPDATED PERMITTING GUIDELINES AND INCENTIVES THAT ARE PROCESSES PROCESSED BY A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON THE CRS TEAM. STAFF WHO WILL GUIDE APPLICANTS THROUGH ANY NECESSARY CORRECTIONS THAT CATCHES ERRORS THAT MAY BE MADE IN SELECTING IMPROPER INCENTIVES. MONTHLY CONTRACTOR TRAININGS, WHICH I'VE MENTIONED ALREADY, ARE TAILORED TO MULTIPLE AUDIENCES. TRAININGS ARE ALSO RECORDED AND HOSTED ONLINE FOR EASY ACCESS, SO THAT WAY IF A CONTRACTOR CANNOT ATTEND A PARTICULAR MEETING, THEY HAVE A RESERVOIR OF MEETINGS RECORDED THAT THEY CAN REFERENCE TO REVIEW DIFFERENT, UH, ISSUES AND GET UP TO SPEED ON ALL THE TRAININGS THAT THEY NEED. IMPROVED CROSS-FUNCTIONAL COLLABORATION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE NEW EQUIPMENT. WE CREATED SOLAR@AUSTINENERGY.COM TO PERSONALLY ADDRESS ALL SOLAR CUSTOMER, ALL SOLAR CUSTOMER AND CONTRACTOR QUESTIONS AND ISSUES. THERE ARE ALSO TWO RECENT EXAMPLES OF, UM, SPOCK, UH, UH, ASSIGNMENTS THAT WE'VE DONE. SPOCK MEANING SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT. THIS IS AN EFFORT THAT WE'VE DONE TO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL ON STAFF, UH, COORDINATE ALL ACTIVITY. UM, IN THIS, IN ONE CASE, IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH BASE BATTERY INSTALLATIONS, AND IN ANOTHER CASE, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UH, SOLAR AND MUNICIPAL FACILITIES EFFORT. SO WE'VE DESIGNATED A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT THAT WORKS BOTH INTERNALLY ACROSS MULTIPLE AE DEPARTMENTS AND ALSO EXTERNALLY ACROSS MULTIPLE CITY OF AUSTIN DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THAT THINGS RUN SMOOTHLY. AND THAT'S A RECENT, UH, UH, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE PUT INTO PLACE IN ORDER TO FACILITATE AND STREAMLINE PROCESSES. NEXT SLIDE. SO, AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO PROGRAMMATIC APPROACHES AND MEANINGFUL PROGRESS. WE VALUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND WE'LL CONTINUE WORKING TO MODERNIZE PROCESSES AND SUPPORT THE SOLAR INDUSTRY. AND WITH THAT, UM, NEXT SLIDE. I WILL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. DENNIS. MR. DENNIS, THIS IS ON, YEAH. UM, FOR THAT BRIEFING, I WILL GO TO THE COMMISSION FOR QUESTIONS. I SEE COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, UH, HAS QUESTION. WE'LL DO, UH, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN AND VICE CHAIR ROBINSON, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. THANK YOU. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS PRESENTATION WE HAD, UH, AT THE LAST COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, YOU'RE, WE LOST YOU. WE'RE NOT GETTING AUDIO FROM YOU RIGHT NOW. MAYBE TRY ANOTHER, UH, PHONE LINE OR SOMETHING. IN THE MEANTIME. I'M GONNA GO TO VICE CHAIR ROBIN, YOU GOT ANY FEEDBACK? OKAY, WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. [00:10:05] OH, I WAS WONDERING IF WE'VE GOTTEN ANY, THANK YOU. HAVE YOU HEARD ANY FEEDBACK ON, FROM MR. PIPKIN, MR. LEVE AND THE OTHER AUSTIN CONTRACTORS WHO PRESENTED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DETAIL ABOUT CONCERNS THAT WERE NOT JUST WITH THE AUSTIN PROGRAM, BUT WITH YOUR PARTNER AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES ACROSS THE CITY ON PERMITTING ISSUES IN PARTICULAR NATION ISSUES? ARE THEY, THESE, THE FOLKS WHOM YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS WITH, ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ADVANCEMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE MADE, MR. GENESEE? OR ARE WE GETTING FEEDBACK THAT THERE'S STILL MORE TO DO? WELL, I, I, I WON'T SPEAK FOR, UM, MR. PIKEN OR, OR MR. LEVEQUE. UM, I THINK THEY ARE AWARE OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND WE'D HAVE TO INQUIRE AS TO HOW EFFECTIVE THEY BELIEVE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN. UM, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE ALL OVER THE BOARD, MEANING THAT SOME HAVE OCCURRED AS RECENTLY AS DECEMBER AND OTHERS HAVE OCCURRED, YOU KNOW, EVEN MORE RECENTLY THAN THAT. AND SO, UM, I GUESS WE'D HAVE TO ASK THEM, BUT I WOULD SAY, UM, WE ARE BEGINNING TO SEE A VERY POSITIVE EFFECT FROM THESE CHANGES. AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT, WHAT WORK REMAINS TO BE COMPLETED THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, STAKEHOLDERS FEEL ARE, ARE NOT BEING ADDRESSED AT THIS POINT? , THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THEIR FEEDBACK TO THE COMMISSION, YOU'LL RECALL WAS EXTENSIVELY DETAILED, AND IT WOULD BE GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS USING THAT AS A CH LIST FOR HOW DO WE CHIP AWAY AT THE, THE PROBLEMS THAT OUR CUSTOMERS IN THE SOLAR COMMUNITY ARE SEEING TO MAKE PROGRESS THAT THEY CAN NOTICE AND AND APPRECIATE. AND THAT IS, AS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE, PART OF THE PURPOSE IN PROPOSING A WORK GROUP WITH EEC THAT IS LATER ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, VICE CHAIR ROBBINS, THE PRESENTATION SEEMS SOMEWHAT DEFENSIVE, OVERLY DEFENSIVE, GIVEN THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY HERE, UH, WANTS THE SOLAR PROGRAM TO GO AWAY OR IS NECESSARILY ATTACKING IT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO, I DON'T WANT PUT MR. LEBEC ON THE SPOT, BUT WHEN, UH, THE COMMISSION IS THROUGH, UH, ASKING QUESTIONS OF MR. GENESEE, I WOULD BRIEFLY, I'D LIKE TO GET HIS BRIEF, UH, RESPONSE, IF HE HAS ANY, UM, IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK ON, UH, UM, HARMONY AND DISHARMONY IN WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED, JUST A POINT OF ORDER. WE ARE NOT POSTED FOR THAT. THAT IF WE WANTED TO GET COMMENT FROM PUBLIC OR FROM NOT COMMISSION MEMBERS, WE WOULD'VE NEED TO HAVE HIM SIGN UP FOR THAT. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DO. I, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT, UH, HE COULD WRITE SOMETHING FOR ME TO READ? I'M NOT GOING TO LIKE LOOK AT ANYTHING, BUT DID YOU HAVE A ANOTHER COMMENT? NO, I HAVE. UM, OKAY. I MAY WANT TO READ SOMETHING OKAY. INTO THE RECORD SHORTLY, BUT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. WE'LL, NO, I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. WE'LL GO ON TO COMMISSIONER KENARD. THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH, UH, FOR THE PRESENTATION. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COMMENT A LITTLE BIT ON HOW AUSTIN COMPARES TO OTHER CITIES, EITHER NATIONWIDE OR, OR IN TEXAS IN TERMS OF HOW WE'RE DOING AND WHETHER WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WAYS WE COULD DO THINGS BETTER BASED ON WHAT FOLKS ARE DOING IN LA OR OTHER PLACES THAT YOU MIGHT KNOW ABOUT. YEAH, SURE. I, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, WE HAVE ONE OF THE LONGEST RUNNING, UH, CONTINUOUSLY RUNNING SOLAR PORTFOLIOS, AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE RANGE OF OFFERINGS THAT WE HAVE IN SOLAR. UM, EVERYTHING FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, THE MULTITUDE OF PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE AND THE INNOVATION THAT WE'VE APPLIED. UM, YOU THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE SOLAR STANDARD OFFER, YOU THINK ABOUT SOLAR FOR ALL. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M EXCEEDINGLY PROUD OF THE INNOVATIVE WORK THAT THIS TEAM HAS DONE TO KEEP, UH, SOLAR AT THE FOREFRONT OF ALL OF OUR EFFORTS AND PARTNER WITH THE INDUSTRY AND STAKEHOLDERS TO FURTHER [00:15:01] SOLAR IN THE AUSTIN ENERGY SERVICE TERRITORY. WHEN YOU COMBINE THAT WITH SOME OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE GOALS THAT WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY I'D PUT UP WITH, YOU KNOW, ON A COMPARATIVE BASIS FOR A UTILITY OUR SIZE WITH OUR SERVICE TERRITORY, OUR, I BELIEVE OUR GOALS AS PART OF THE RESOURCE AND GENERATION PLAN 405 MEGAWATTS TO 2035 REPRESENT SOME OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE SOLAR GOALS ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, DEFINITELY WITHIN THE STATE OF TEXAS, BUT I'D SAY, FRANKLY, ANYWHERE WITHIN THE COUNTRY ON A COMPARISON BASIS. UM, SO I, I, THAT'S HOW I THINK WE STA UH, STACK UP, BUT I'D WELCOME ANYONE ELSE'S PERSPECTIVE ON THAT AS WELL. AND, UH, I HAVEN'T ASKED THE TEAM FOR FORMAL COMPARISON, BUT, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. YEAH, THAT'D BE KIND OF INTERESTING. BUT THANKS VERY MUCH, PETER. SURE. SO ARE THERE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? UH, YES. WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER LUKI. THANK YOU. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS A, SOMETHING THAT PROMPTED THIS MOVE TO DO THIS IMPROVEMENT. WERE THERE COMPLAINTS HAPPENING? WERE WERE, UH, SOME, SOME OF THE COMPANIES THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH, THE SOLAR COMPANIES, WERE THEY, WERE THEY, I DON'T KNOW, FALLING OUT OF LINE OR WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING ON BY BEHIND THE SCENES THERE? I, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, COMMISSIONER. I THINK THAT ONE, UM, YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT THE COMMITMENT TO CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT. SO WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WAYS TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS, STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. UM, SO THAT'S ONE. I'D SAY THE OTHER THING IS WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO OPERATE AS ONE CITY, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A, A BIG DEPARTMENT IN A LARGE CITY STRUCTURE, AND YET WE KNOW THAT THE CUSTOMER DOESN'T EXPERIENCE US THAT WAY OR DOESN'T CARE. THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCED US AS ONE ENTITY. AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, UM, SEEKING TO, UH, BE THAT ONE ENTITY TO THE CUSTOMER REGARDLESS OF PART OF THE CITY OR DEPARTMENT OR WITHIN AUSTIN ENERGY. SO THOSE TWO THINGS DEFINITELY WERE PROMPTING, YOU KNOW, US TO CONTINUOUSLY LOOK AT HOW ARE WE, UM, ABLE TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND BE BETTER, UH, PARTNERS WITH CUSTOMERS. I THINK THERE ALSO, HISTORICALLY THERE HAD BEEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT, UH, THE LENGTH OF TIME, UH, CERTAIN PROCESSES WERE TAKING, BUT YOU, YOU HEARD THAT WE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THAT IN, UH, SHRINKING DOWN PROCESSES THAT WE'RE TAKING MONTHS INTO DAYS. UM, AND SO, UM, I FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT. WE'RE NOT SITTING ON LAURELS THOUGH, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE. UH, SO I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL CONTINUE REGARDLESS OF, UH, THE ACTIONS THAT THE RMC TAKES, UH, OR DOESN'T TAKE. UH, WE WILL CONTINUE THAT COMMITMENT TO CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT AND CONTINUE ON THAT JOURNEY TO TRY AND, UH, MAKE THIS THE MOST STREAMLINED, BEST CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE IT FOR SOLAR CUSTOMERS AND BATTERY CUSTOMERS. I HAVE ONE FOLLOW UP. SO COMPARING, LET'S SAY TWO YEARS AGO TO TODAY, WHAT'S THE NORMAL TIMEFRAME FOR A SOLAR SYSTEM TO BE, UH, BOUGHT, APPROVED, INSTALLED, AND TURNED ON? I THINK IT DEPENDS, AND I HATE TO SOUND LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, UH, SYSTEMS OF VARIOUS SIZES, WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL, UM, LET'S TAKE THE REGULAR RESIDENTIAL, LIKE THE, THE NORMAL PERSON WHO'S TRYING TO DO THIS AT THEIR HOUSE. YEAH, I THINK UNDER THE BEST, UH, CONDITIONS, BUT ALL THE STARS ALIGNING, I THINK YOU CAN PROBABLY INSTALL A SOLAR SYSTEM WITHIN A MONTH, RIGHT? UM, MAYBE A, MAYBE A LONGER ADDING BATTERY THREE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, THREE MONTHS FROM SOUP TO NUTS. BUT AGAIN, AS, AS HAS BEEN SAID, THAT GETS, UM, THAT GETS VARIABLE VERY QUICKLY WITH WHAT ELSE DOES IT INCLUDE? DOES IT INCLUDE A BATTERY OR IS IT JUST A SOLAR SYSTEM? UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ELSE IS ON OUR SYSTEM IN TERMS OF THE TRANSFORMER THAT'S GOING TO SERVE, UH, OR THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED WITH THAT SOLAR SERVICE. UM, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO TAKE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. BRILLIANT. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZ. OKAY. YEAH, THANKS FOR THE PRESENTATION. UH, GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE PROGRESS. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. I GUESS FIRST, JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG. SO WE HAD THE SUB CORE MEETING WITH Y'ALL AND LIKE APRIL, WHAT, AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A BUNCH OF PROGRESS LIKE THE DECEMBER, THAT [00:20:01] LAST DECEMBER. SO BEFORE THAT, WHAT, WHICH OF THE STUFF, WHICH OF THE ITEMS THAT, THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT HAD HAPPENED SINCE APRIL OR SOME OF THEM HAD HAPPENED SINCE THEN? OR WHICH WERE, UH, GOING ON BEFORE WE SPOKE LAST TIME? I'M JUST TRYING TO KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG IS WHAT'S NEW. SINCE LAST TIME WE SPOKE, I THINK THE MAJOR THING THAT OCCURRED, UM, AS WE GOT CLOSER AND CLOSER TO DECEMBER, YOU REMEMBER THAT THE RESIDENTIAL TAX INCENTIVE WAS GOING AWAY. SO THERE WAS A, UM, IT NEVER QUITE EMERGED AS THIS HUGE AVALANCHE OF JOBS THAT WE ANTICIPATED, BUT WE WERE ANTICIPATING AN AVALANCHE OF JOBS AS THE RESIDENTIAL TAX INCENTIVE RAN OUT. UM, THAT NEVER QUITE MATERIALIZED, BUT IN THE INTERIM, WE STILL DID WORK ON COLLAPSING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TOOK FOR RESIDENTIAL JOBS TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE ALL CAUGHT UP. THERE WAS NO QUEUE GOING INTO MID TO LATE DECEMBER. THERE WAS NO QUEUE FOR RESIDENTIAL. UM, THAT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER, UH, THINGS, BUT THAT I THINK THAT POINT TO THAT AS THE MAJOR THING WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH, AND THAT WAS WORKING BETWEEN MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS IN AE PLUS A DS, UM, UH, AUSTIN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. YEAH. SO SINCE, UH, WE SPOKE IN APRIL, HAVE, HAVE MOST OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT, THOSE ARE LIKE IN THE LATE LAST YEAR TIMEFRAME, WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS? YES. OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. UM, THEN THE FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS RELATED TO, I GUESS A LOT OF THINGS WERE, UH, SPOKEN ABOUT AT THE MEETING WE HAD, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME THE MOST ARE, I GUESS SOME OF THE, THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS KIND OF HIT ON THE MOST WAS THE COMMERCIAL COORDINATION WITH THE METER SETTING AND NOT DSD, UH, A DS AND THE KIND OF DELAYS THAT THAT CAUSES. HAS THERE BEEN ANY WORK ON THAT SINCE THEN? WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? YEAH, I WOULD SAY, UM, AND I, I'D ASK VAL TO, UH, YOU KNOW, JUMP IN HERE AS WELL, BUT I'D SAY PLAN REVIEW WAS A BIG, UH, ACCOMPLISHMENT SINCE THEN THAT OCCURS WITH US. BUT THINK ABOUT THIS, THAT MEANS THAT BEFORE WORK EVEN COMMENCES ON A JOB, WE'RE REVIEWING EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE AND ANTICIPATING AND BEING ABLE TO CATCH PROBLEMS THAT OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T GET CAUGHT UNTIL HALFWAY THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY THROUGH THE JOB. AND SO I THINK THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT, UM, DEVELOPMENT SINCE THE TIMEFRAME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED PLAN REVIEW? I MEAN, IT'S APRIL THING. OKAY. SO, YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS JUST, SO YOU SAID THAT, UH, WAS IT SPOCK SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT? YEP. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED AT FOR, FOR THESE COMMERCIAL INSTALLS THAT THEY, THOSE STAKEHOLDERS WERE HAVING TROUBLE WITH? WELL, IT, I'D SAY SPOCK WAS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE NEED, THE COMPLEXITY AND THE SCALE OF BOTH PROJECTS. I ALLUDED TO THE BASE, UH, YOU KNOW, INSTALLATIONS. UM, THERE'S BASES GOT 2000, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, JOBS IN QUEUE THAT THEY CLAIM ARE READY TO COME ONTO OUR SYSTEM. SO THAT WAS GONNA BE A, WE KNEW A BIG SCALE OF PROJECTS, UH, BOW WAY OF PRO OF PROJECTS COMING TOWARDS US. SO WE HAD TO GET AHEAD OF THAT. SO WE NEEDED SOME COORDINATION THERE. AND THEN THE SOLAR ON MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, UH, EFFORT, UH, REMEMBER THAT IS LIKE A HUNDRED LOCATIONS, SOLAR LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE WE ARE GOING TO, UH, INITIATE, UH, SOLAR ON THROUGH ONE OF TWO MODELS. EITHER THE, UH, CITY IS GONNA OWN THAT SOLAR OR THROUGH SOLAR STANDARD OFFER. IT'S GONNA BE A THIRD PARTY OWNERSHIP MODEL, BUT IN EITHER CASE, IT'S GONNA REQUIRE A LOT OF COORDINATION AND WE NEEDED A SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT THERE AS WELL. SO, UM, THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, RELATIVELY RECENT EFFORTS WHERE WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR COORDINATION. AND YEAH, I THINK IT ALSO WILL HELP WITH RESPECT TO STAKEHOLDERS, BUT THE REAL DRIVER AND IDENTIFICATION OF THE NEED WAS THE COMPLEXITY AND THE VOLUME OF THE WORK, UH, IN THOSE TWO PROJECTS. OKAY, COOL. THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT. SO THE, THE ISSUES THAT STAKEHOLDERS WERE HAVING WITH THE COMMERCIAL, UH, INSTALLS AND THE DELAYS WITH A A DS ON THAT, THAT HASN'T KIND OF RISEN TO THE LEVEL OR THE VOLUME THAT SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT WOULD BE USED FOR THAT, OR I GUESS IT'S KIND OF, WELL, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I, I HAVE NOT HEARD THE VOLUME SINCE THE INITIAL EXPRESSION OF THE, THAT ISSUE. MM-HMM . UH, FROM STAKEHOLDERS, IF THERE STILL IS A PROBLEM RELATED TO THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND [00:25:01] THAT MORE, OR DI DIG INTO THAT MORE, BECAUSE I THINK THE VOLUME ON THAT HAS DIED DOWN WITH THINGS LIKE DEVELOPERS BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CUSTOMER FACING PORTAL NOW WHERE DEVELOPERS CAN SEE THEIR PROJECTS RUN THROUGH THE, UH, AUSTIN ENERGY AND THE CI CI, UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN'S SYSTEM, AND SO THEY CAN SEE IT, RIGHT? ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS THAT HAVE BEEN WITH DEVELOPERS BEFORE THEN WAS, I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF MY PROJECT AND I'VE GOTTA CALL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITHIN AUSTIN ENERGY JUST TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHERE MY PROJECT IS. WELL, THAT PROBLEM DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE MADE A CUSTOMER FACING PORTAL WHERE THEY CAN LOOK UP THAT INFORMATION IN REAL TIME. GREAT. 24 HOURS A DAY, FOLLOW ALONG. YEAH. COOL. THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. UH, VICE CHAIR ROBBINS, UM, DAVID LEVEQUE HAS, UH, GIVEN ME, EXCUSE ME, DAVID LEVEQUE HAS GIVEN ME A FEW, UH, COMMENTS THAT I WANT TO READ IN THE RECORD. UH, I'LL BE BRIEF. THE INSTALLATION I STARTED IN NOVEMBER HAS BEEN STUCK IN POST INSTALLATION PERMIT PAPERWORK FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. I LIKE THE SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE TWO PROGRAMS MENTIONED. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. I HAVE NOT STARTED ANY NEW PROJECTS SINCE CHANGES. I'M ABOUT TO, AND WOULD LIKE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF AT EACH STEP FOR POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS. FINALLY, I'M INTERESTED IN THE WORKING GROUP THAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO HELP PUT MORE STATISTICS AND CLARITY AROUND THE PROCESSES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. GENESEE ON THE BRIEFING? UM, THANK YOU MR. GENESEE FOR THAT PRESENTATION. UM, THIS WILL, UH, LEAD NICELY INTO OUR ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS [3. Approve the creation of a working group focused on Local Solar + Battery permitting and installation processes.] THE CREATION OF A WORKING GROUP FOCUSED ON LOCAL SOLAR AND BATTERY PERMITTING AND INSTALLATION PROCESSES. UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO OPEN DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I SO MOVE. SECOND. OKAY. MOVED AND SECONDED. UM, DISCUSS SECOND. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN. UM, YOU WERE A LITTLE LATE ON THAT ONE. DID I HEAR A FOURTH? I HEAR YOU. . OKAY. , UH, COMMISSIONER LUKI. OKAY. THANK. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, SO FOR DISCUSSION ON IF, IF COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PRIMARY MOTION, I WILL WITHDRAW MINE. I, AS LONG AS THIS GETS MOVING, LET'S GO. OKAY. NEVERMIND. SO IT'S MOVING. UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE WORKING GROUP COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR ROBBINS? GO AHEAD. UM, WE NEED TO GET ON WITH IT. UM, UH, I REINFORCE AGAIN THAT, UM, I CERTAINLY, AND I DON'T BELIEVE ANYONE ON THIS COMMISSION IS AGAINST, UH, SOLAR ENERGY AT, AT, AT ALL, AT ALL. WE SIMPLY WANT TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER. UM, AND JUST FOR THE NOTING THAT UNDER NEW BUSINESS, I WILL BE ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION ON THE NEXT AGENDA THAT, UH, GOT LEFT OFF OF THIS ONE BY, UH, I'LL JUST SAY, UM, UNFORTUNATE ERRORS. AND THAT WOULD BE THAT WE NEED TO ASK COUNCIL TO ASK VARIOUS CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT INTERFACE WITH SOLAR TO BE PART OF THIS WORKING GROUP. UH, I HAVE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION FOUR YEARS. I KNOW GOOD AND WELL THAT WE CANNOT ORDER SUCH THINGS, BUT WE CAN ASK COUNSEL TO ORDER SUCH THINGS. SO UNDER NEW BUSINESS, I WILL BE BRINGING THIS UP. OKAY. UH, AND AS YOU WILL RECALL, COMMISSIONERS LAST, UH, MONTH, WE DID HAVE A BRIEFING ON THE SOLAR PERMITTING AND INSTALLATION PROCESS BY THIS SPECIAL GUEST. UM, AND THEN WE HAD THE BRIEFING TONIGHT, UH, FROM AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF. SO I THINK THAT KIND OF SETS THE STAGE FOR, UM, WHAT THE, UM, CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS ARE. SO, UM, UNLESS THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION, [00:30:02] I THINK WE CAN, UH, VOTE TO, UH, APPROVE THE CREATION OF THE WORKING GROUP. SO, UM, ALL IN FAVOR OF CREATING THE WORKING GROUP FOCUS ON LOCAL SOLAR AND BATTERY PERMITTING AND INSTALLATION PROCESSES. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. I HAVE COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN AND I HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 HERE. UM, THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION IS ADOPTED, SEVEN ZERO. UH, AND SO I MAY I YES. COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, GO AHEAD. UM, IN THE INTEREST OF THANK YOU, IN THE INTEREST OF GETTING THIS GROUP MOVING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, HOW QUICKLY CAN WE DETERMINE WHO IS GOING TO BE ON THIS GROUP FROM THE RMC AND INVITE OUR COLLEAGUES FROM THE EUC TO JOIN US SO WE CAN GET GOING? I'D RATHER THIS NOT WAIT YET ANOTHER MONTH TO BEGIN WORK. YES. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND ALSO, I, I FAILED TO MENTION THAT THIS ITEM, A PARALLEL ITEM WAS ADOPTED BLESS YOU. AT THE, UH, EUC LAST NIGHT. SO, UM, SO THERE WERE, SAY AGAIN, SAY HAD THREE . OKAY. SO THEY HAD THREE COMMISSIONERS FROM THE EUC THAT VOLUNTEERED FOR, UH, THIS WORKING GROUP. SO, UM, MAY BY SHOW OF HANDS, COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN SITTING ON THIS WORKING GROUP FROM THE RMC GOT 1, 2, 3. OKAY. I'M A MAYBE. OKAY. WE'VE GOT THREE AND A POSSIBLE, UH, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, LUKEY, SCHWARTZ, AND POSSIBLY ROBBINS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. GREAT STUFF. IT'S, UH, IMPORTANT WORK. SO, UM, EXCITED TO SEE THAT BALL START ROLLING. UM, UH, UH, AN ADMINISTRATIVE QUESTION. YES. CAN WE COORDINATE THIS THROUGH MS. GOODWIN OR IS, OR CAN WE COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE E WITH THE EUC OR HOW DO WE GET THIS GOING? WE, YES, WE CAN COORDINATE THE MEETING AND THE ROOM RESERVATION AND WE THANK YOU. CONTACT THE OTHER THANK YOU MS. GOODWIN. UH, MS. EVERHART SAYS, MS. EVERHART ANSWERED THAT THEY CAN, UH, COORDINATE WITH THE EUC MEMBERS AND DO ROOM RESERVATIONS, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEP. UM, AS A REMINDER. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. UM, MOVING ON. THE NEXT ITEM [4. Approve the Annual Internal Review of the Resource Management Commission for July 2025 through June 2026.] ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM NUMBER FOUR, APPROVE THE ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION FOR JULY, 2025 THROUGH JUNE, 2026. CAN WE BRING THE DRAFT DOCUMENT UP ONTO THE SCREEN, PLEASE? AND WHILE THAT'S COMING UP, I'LL JUST REMIND, COMMISSIONER, THIS IS AN ANNUAL, UH, REPORT THAT EACH COMMISSION IS ASKED TO SUBMIT. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A, A DIFFERENT METHOD FOR SUBMITTING IT THIS YEAR. UM, THERE'S A, SEE THIS A FORM THAT WILL BE, THAT I WILL INPUT FOLLOWING OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT. UM, BUT I HAVE CIRCULATED THIS DRAFT TO THE COMMISSION FOR YOUR, UM, REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION, AND WE CAN, UM, TALK ABOUT IT IF WE CAN HAVE A, A MOTION AND A SECOND TO OPEN DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. SO, MOVE, COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZ MOVED AND, UH, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN SECONDED. OKAY. AND WE HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN. UM, SO I WILL JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. I DO SEE YOUR HAND. COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN. UM, SO JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, THIS ASKS IF WE DID, UH, THE ACTIONS THAT WE DID COMPLIED WITH OUR BYLAWS AND, UH, COUNCIL DIRECTIVES, WHAT, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS WE PASSED AND HOW CLOSELY ALIGNED THEY WERE TO THE ORGANIZATION'S CORE MISSION. AND THEN FINALLY, UH, THE, UH, IF THERE'S OVERLAP WITH ANOTHER COMMISSION, HOW ENGAGED ARE COMMISSIONERS AND THE PUBLIC, AND THEN OUR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE, THE UPCOMING YEAR. UM, AND SO WITH THAT, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH EVERY SINGLE THING HERE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. AND I ALSO WILL, UH, I ALSO WILL NOTE THAT, UM, VICE CHAIR ROBIN DID HAVE A, UH, SUGGESTED EDIT. UM, THEN I WILL READ INTO THE RECORD, UM, IN A MOMENT. UM, BUT I DO SEE COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, SO I'M GONNA GO, UH, TO HER FIRST. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT SUMMARY OF OUR WORK FOR THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMPILING IT. I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT IT IMMEDIATELY. THANKS. THANK YOU. VICE CHAIR ROBBINS. UM, HAVING DONE SIMILAR WORK, UH, I KNOW HOW [00:35:01] MUCH TIME AND BOREDOM IT TAKES TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TOGETHER. I, UH, WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE CHAIR FOR, UH, DOING THIS. UH, I, UH, HAVE ONE AMENDMENT. UH, I'VE, UH, ASKED MS. GOODWIN TO CIRCULATE IT TO, UH, ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, I'M, I'M BASICALLY TRIED TO BRING IN A LITTLE HISTORY, UH, TO SHOW, UH, HOW UNIQUE WE ARE, UH, IN A, IN A SHORT ENTRY PARAGRAPH. OTHER THAN THAT, UH, I'M PERSONALLY FINE WITH WHAT'S IN HERE. THANK YOU. UH, YES, COMMISSIONER KENARD, I'VE GOT SOME SORT OF BROADER REFLECTIONS THAT, THAT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE A BETTER TIME THAN NOW TO JUST SORT OF SAY THIS. UM, ONE THING THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT WE'VE GOT QUITE A NARROW, UM, OR AN ARGUABLY NARROW DEFINITION OF RESOURCES WITH RESPECT TO DIFFERENT END USES. SO WE FOCUS RIGHTLY ON COMMERCIAL AND, AND RESIDENTIAL ENERGY USE. UH, WE DON'T REALLY TALK ABOUT, OR WE HAVEN'T TALKED IN THE LAST YEAR ABOUT TRANSPORTATION ENERGY USE. AND THE RECENT, UM, FAILURE, I SUPPOSE, OF THE CAP METRO BIKE SHARE SCHEME IS ON MY MIND. THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN SCOPE, BUT THAT HAS KNOCKED OUT A LARGE PORTION OF TRANSPORT PROVISION IN THE CITY AND MEANT THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SHIFT FROM USING THOSE ELECTRIC BIKES TO, TO CARS. IT DOESN'T QUITE FEEL LIKE IT'S IN, IN THE SORT OF THE ETHOS OF THE, OF THE COMMISSION, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'VE NOTICED THAT AND THAT WE IN AUSTIN AND IN TEXAS IN GENERAL, USE A WHOLE LOT OF ENERGY ON TRANSPORTATION. AND I'M AWARE THAT THERE ARE OTHER COMMISSIONS THAT SORT OF COVER THIS, BUT, UM, YEAH, JUST WONDERED IF ANYONE HAD ANY REFLECTIONS ON THAT OBSERVATION. YEAH. YEAH. AND IN SO FAR AS, UH, THE MODE SHIFTING THAT YOU MENTIONED, UM, DEFINITELY CONTRIBUTES TO OUR, UH, OUR ENERGY USE, UM, CITYWIDE FOR SURE. YEAH. UM, VICE CHAIR ROBBINS, UM, OF COURSE, YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, THAT, UH, TRANSPORTATION IS A HUGE SHARE OF ENERGY. UM, AND, UH, IT WOULD MAKE OUR MEETINGS A LOT MORE INTERESTING. ON THE OTHER HAND, UH, WE, IF, UH, OUR AGENDA WERE WHAT WE ASKED FOR, UH, WE WOULD HAVE QUITE A LOT ON OUR PLATE AS IT IS. AND, UM, JUST TO, TO ADD A TOUCH OF THREAD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE HAD TO TAKE UP THE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM . YEAH. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY A PROPOSAL TO EXPAND OUR SCOPE, BUT JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT RESOURCES ARE BROADER THAN WHAT WE TALK ABOUT FOR SURE. AND I'LL JUST ALSO MENTION THAT, UM, THE URBAN TRANSPORTATION COMMISSION DOES HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE THAT SITS ON THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE. AND THE JSC IS THE BODY WHICH ADVISES ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, EFFORTS TO ACHIEVE NET ZERO BY 2040. SO, UM, THERE'S DEFINITELY A LOT OF OVERLAP MM-HMM . ACROSS SOME OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS OF, UM, DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS AND OF THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF, UM, FEED INTO THAT. SO, UM, YES, URBAN TRANSPORTATION PROBABLY DOES, IS THE ONE THAT MOST CLOSELY WOULD TAKE UP SOMETHING, UH, LIKE WHAT YOU, YOU MENTIONED. AND THEY DO ALSO, UM, SUPPORT THE, THE JSC, SO THAT, WHICH DOES IN TURN LOOK AT EMISSIONS AND CLIMATE EQUITY AND SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES. AWESOME. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR SUSTAINING MY, UH, SURE. THOUGHTS, OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS ON THE REPORT? COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZ? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO THANK YOU FOR PUTTING IT TOGETHER. I, IT'S A LOT, THERE'S A LOT IN THERE, AND I COULD TELL IT WAS A LOT OF WORK, SO, WELL, THANK, THANK YOU. AND, UH, I HAVE TO THANK, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEAR. UM, THERE ARE COMMISSIONS THAT, THAT PUT THESE TOGETHER AND DON'T HAVE, BUT MAYBE ONE OR TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY CONSIDER. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO THE WORK THAT YOU ALL BRING TO THE TABLE. UM, OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST, UM, TALK A BIT ABOUT, UH, QUESTION EIGHT, WHICH IS, IS THERE ANOTHER BODY THAT OVERLAPS WITH THE ROLE AND WORK OF THE BOARD OR COMMISSION? SO IF WE COULD JUST SCROLL, UH, TO NUMBER EIGHT ON [00:40:01] THE SCREEN, PLEASE. THANK YOU. UM, SO, AND IF YOU GO DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH THERE. SO, UM, WE PUT THAT THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION OVERLAPS, AND, UM, THERE'S A PARAGRAPH THERE. I'M NOT GONNA READ THAT ONE, BUT I WILL READ FOR THE RECORD. UM, THE AMENDMENT. UH, ACTUALLY, DO YOU WANNA MOVE TO AMEND FORMALLY? UH, I WOULD LIKE TO BY THE BOOK TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, MOVE TO AMEND PART EIGHT. UM, WOULD THIS BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? THIS WOULD BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. OKAY. UH, DO YOU WANT TO READ IT INTO, SURE. OKAY. SO THE AMENDMENT IS TO REPLACE THE PARAGRAPH THAT'S THERE WITH THE FOLLOWING. THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION BEGAN IN 1978 WHEN CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT RENEWABLE ENERGY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY WERE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH ATTENTION BY OTHER CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WATER EFFICIENCY WAS ADDED IN THE EARLY 1980S FOR THE SAME REASON THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION REVIEWS AND ANALYZES ALL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OF THE ELECTRIC UTILITY, INCLUDING ELECTRIC RATE STRUCTURE, FUEL COSTS, AND CHARGES, CUSTOMER SERVICES, CAPITAL INVESTMENTS, NEW GENERATION FACILITIES, SELECTION OF TYPES OF FUEL, BUDGET, STRATEGIC PLANNING, REGULATORY COMPLIANCE, BILLING PROCEDURES, ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION POLICIES MAY HAVE THE INTENT OR EFFECT OF PROMOTING OR DISCOURAGING ENERGY CONSERVATION, AND MAY INFORM SELECTION OF RENEWABLE ENERGY SOURCES AND ALTERNATE ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES, WHICH WERE PART OF THE ORIGINAL PURVIEW OF THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZ HAS SECOND IT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT AMENDMENT? I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH, I GUESS NOT HEARING ANY DISCUSSION, I'LL, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING THE AMENDMENT AS I JUST READ INTO THE RECORD, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALRIGHT. THAT IS SEVEN ZERO, THE AMENDMENT PASSES. UM, OKAY. I DID WANNA JUST FLAG, FLAG THIS. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN. I JUST WANTED TO FLAG NUMBER 10 AND 11. ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, HOW ENGAGED ARE THE BOARD COMMISSION MEMBERS? AND NUMBER 11, ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, HOW ENGAGED IS THE COMMUNITY? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE'RE PRETTY ENGAGED TONIGHT. I MEAN, THAT COULD EVEN GO UP FROM EIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY, YOU KNOW, STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT THAT NUMBER, WHAT THOSE NUMBERS SHOULD BE. I'M OPEN TO , WHATEVER. I, I DIDN'T WANT TO ARGUE WITH YOU. IT, IT'S NOT A HANGING MATTER, BUT, UH, I'M PRETTY AMAZED AT HOW ENGAGED PEOPLE, UH, ARE HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M, I WOULD RATE IT HIGHER, BUT IT'S NOT WORTH ARGUING ABOUT. OKAY. I'M FINE WITH THAT. COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, I SEE YOUR HAND. IS IT UP AGAIN OR STILL UP? THANK YOU. UM, IT, IT IS, IT IS UP FOR THE MOMENT. I WAS, AND THIS IS BACK ON TOPIC, I GUESS IT WAS ITEM EIGHT. OH, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T SEE YOU THERE. COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE, YOU'RE BREAKING UP. I'M NOT ABLE TO HEAR YOU. EFFICIENCY. OKAY. CAN YOU TRY THAT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE? I, I, I GOT THE END TAIL END OF THAT. OKAY. QUE QUESTION EIGHT WAS APPARENTLY DESIGNED TO SEE COMMITMENTS, AND IT MIGHT BE WORTH FINDING, EMPHASIZING IN, UH, THAT YOUR ANSWER TO QUESTION EIGHT, THAT WE COVER WATER AND WASTEWATER AS WELL AS CITY, SO THAT THESE CAN'T DO OUR JOB AS CURRENTLY . OUR, OUR ARE ARE YOU SAYING THAT, UH, WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE WATER AND WASTEWATER IN THIS? UH, YES, BECAUSE EUC DOES NOT DO THIS. AND, AND I SUSPECT THIS QUESTION IS INTENDED TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO COMBINE COMMISSIONS AND, UH, REDUCE REDUNDANCY. AND, AND OUR SCOPE DOES NOT COMPLETELY BECAUSE OF WATER AND WASTEWATER. WE DO NOT FULLY PARALLEL THE EUC. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO DRAW THE DISTINCTION MORE EXPLICITLY. OKAY. UM, WE HAVE ALREADY PASSED THE, UH, [00:45:01] WE'VE ALREADY ADOPTED THE AMENDMENT AS READ, BUT IF WE WANT TO PROPOSE ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO SUPERSEDE THAT WE CAN DO THAT, UH, I KNOW WOULD BE A MOVE TO RECONSIDER. OKAY. A MOVE TO RECONSIDER, UH, THE RESOLUTION JUST PASSED THE AMENDMENT. MM-HMM . I MOVE TO RECONSIDER THE AMENDMENT JUST PASSED. IS THERE A SECOND? UH, COMM, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK SECONDS. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO SECOND, UH, RECONSIDER THE AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST, UH, ADOPTED. UH, IS THERE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE? IS THERE A, IS THERE ANOTHER COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, DO YOU HAVE PROPOSED LANGUAGE? UH, I WILL REREAD WHAT, UH, THE INITIAL, THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THAT AMENDMENT SAID THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION BEGAN IN 1978 WHEN CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THAT RENEWABLE ENERGY AND ENERGY EFFICIENCY WERE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH ATTENTION BY OTHER CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. WATER EFFICIENCY WAS ADDED IN THE EARLY 1980S FOR THE SAME REASON. UH, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, YOU'RE MUTED. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE RESPONDING. SO SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO WRITE IT TO PUT IT IN CHAT, BECAUSE CONNECTIVITY IS SO BAD HERE. I I'M NOT IN, BUT I, I JUST WANT TO, TO BE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT, I'M TRYING TO BE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT WE WATER EFFICIENCY OPERATIONS, ET CETERA. AND THE EC DOES NOT DO THIS, SO I'M TRYING TO PUNCH UP THAT THERE IS OVERLAP BETWEEN EC AND THE RMC. OKAY. IF HE WANTS SOME OF THAT LINE, PLEASE GO FOR IT. MAYBE A FINAL SENTENCE AFTER EVERYTHING WE HAVE THAT EXPLICITLY SAYS THE EUC DOESN'T HAVE ANY PURVIEW OVER WATER OR WASTEWATER AND WASTEWATER. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK IT JUST NEEDS A FINAL, JUST ONE MORE SENTENCE RIGHT AT THE END, JUST TO TOTALLY NAIL IT SHUT. OKAY. I'M GONNA TYPE WHAT YOU JUST SAID. EUC. SO IT'S THE EUC HAS NO PURVIEW OVER WATER OR WASTEWATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT CHAIR DAVIS. OH, I'M SORRY. YES. HANG ON. SO OUR PURVIEW IS WATER CONSERVATION. WATER CONSERVATION. YES, MA'AM. YES. IT'S OKAY TO SAY WHAT YOU, YOU SEE DOESN'T HAVE PURVIEW OVER THERE, RIGHT? WATER, WATER CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT. YEAH, THAT'LL DO. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SCHWARTZ, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO LIST EVERYTHING THAT UC DOESN'T DO, BUT WE ALSO, THE GAS SERVICE IS THE OTHER BIG THING THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO LAY OUT WHAT DIFFERENTIATES US MM-HMM . WE COULD INCLUDE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO. UM, UH, OH, OKAY. I'LL, I'LL JUST OFFER THIS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. KIND OF WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY HEAD ABOUT THIS QUESTION. WHEN IT'S ASKING ABOUT OVERLAP, AS COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN POINTS IT OUT, THIS COULD BE, UM, POTENTIALLY LOOKED AT TO SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONSOLIDATION. UM, I THINK, UH, A YEAR OR SO BACK THERE WAS A CONSIDERATION ABOUT COMBINING ZERO WASTE WITH THIS COMMISSION. AND BOTH OF OUR COMMISSION SAID THAT'S, WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO THAT IS DEFINITELY ONE, UM, ONE VIEW OF THIS ITEM. UM, AND I THINK FOR ME, THE OTHER THING I WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT HERE IS THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT DO, SOME AREAS THAT DO OVERLAP. UM, AND THAT DO, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY COME AT IT FROM A, A BIT OF A DIFFERENT VIEW FROM THE EUC, BUT MAYBE THERE ARE TOPICS THAT SHOULD COME TO BOTH THE EUC AND THE RMC. UM, AND YOU, WE HAVE A, A SPECIFIC PURVIEW. THE EUC HAS A SPECIFIC PURVIEW, BUT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS THAT DO, [00:50:01] UM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THAT INTERACT, GEE, I WISH THE UTILITY THOUGHT THE SAME WAY. SO, UM, SO I, I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW. I I HAVE NO PROBLEM INCLUDING THE, THE ADDITIONAL, UM, SENTENCES ABOUT EUC NOT HAVING PURVIEW OVER WATER CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT OR GAS UTILITY MATTERS. UM, IF IS, IF THAT'S SORT OF A, A WAY OF SAYING WE'RE NOT ADVOCATING FOR CONSOLIDATION MM-HMM . UM, WHAT DO, WHAT DO, WHAT DO FOLKS SAY THAT FEELS REALLY SAFE TO ME? I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE BEING EXTRA SAFE BY ADDING THAT SENTENCE IN ANY WAY. YEAH. OKAY. UM, AND THE, THE BULLET POINT, ASK THE ALIGNMENT, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHWARZ WAS SAYING, ASK FOR EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT ALIGNED. UM, BUT I THINK LISTING THOSE TWO IS, IS REASONABLE. OKAY. SO I HAVE, UM, HOW ABOUT THIS? THE, A EC HAS NO PURVIEW OVER WATER CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT NOR GASSED UTILITY MATTERS ISSUE ISSUES. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN, ARE YOU, IS YOUR HAND STILL UP? UH, I'M SORRY. IT IS NOT. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO IT HAS BEEN MOVED TO RECONSIDER THE AMENDMENT THAT WE PASSED PREVIOUSLY. UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UH, PUT THIS TO A VOTE. AND WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON NOW IS THE AMENDED AMENDMENT, WHICH WILL CONSIST OF, UH, THE AMENDMENT THAT WE JUST PASSED, PLUS THE FOLLOWING SENTENCE. THE EUC HAS NO PURVIEW OVER WATER CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT NOR GAS UTILITY ISSUES. UM, SO I MOVED TO AMEND THE, UH, ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT AS, AS JUST DESCRIBED. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SIX HERE AND POSSIBLY AND SEVEN. YES. SEVEN ZERO. THAT AMENDMENT PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UM, AND JUST THANK YOU. GOING BACK TO THE SCALE OF ONE TO 10, UM, I, I, I REALLY FEEL LIKE I'M REALLY FEELING A 10 OF ON HOW ENGAGED THE BOARD OF COMMISSION IS. WHY I, I MOVED TO AMEND A SECOND. NUMBER 10 TO TEXT 10. I'M HAPPY TO SECOND. OKAY. 10. COMMISSIONER, WHY STOP THERE? NOTHING WRONG WITH ALL IN FAVOR. GRADING YOUR OWN HOMEWORK? YES. UH, ALRIGHT. PLEASE RAISE HAND. I THINK EVERYONE IS IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO, TO CHANGE THE SCALE OF ONE TO 10. ON NUMBER 10 TO 10. YES. COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN? YES. OKAY. THAT AMENDMENT PASSES TOO. AND THEN HOW ENGAGED IS THE COMMUNITY? I HAD, I HAD SIX. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA BE A SEVEN DEPENDING ON THE TOPIC. OKAY. YEAH, WE'VE GOT NO PUBLIC SPEAKERS TONIGHT, SO MAYBE THAT KEEPS US AT SIX. . WELL, UNLESS I HEAR A MOTION TO CHANGE IT, WE CAN MOVE ON. HEARING NONE. OKAY. UM, LAST CALL FOR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. UM, GOING TO VOTE ON ADOPTION OF THE IN ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT AS AMENDED. ALL IN FAVOR? SEVEN. ALL OPPOSED? ZERO. THE, UH, THE ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW IS ADOPTED. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UM, I WILL SEND OVER THE, UH, REVISED, WELL, ACTUALLY NO, I JUST HAVE TO PUT IT INTO THE, UH, THE LITTLE FORM, SO I'LL DO THAT TOMORROW AND I WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF IT. YES MA'AM. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE END OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE UP GREEN CHOICE THIS MONTH. WE'RE GONNA TABLE THAT FOR A FUTURE AGENDA TOPIC. UM, AND FOR, [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ] AND NOW WE'VE MOVED INTO FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, I DO HAVE ONE, WHICH IS, UM, I'M CURIOUS. I THINK SOME [00:55:01] FOLKS HERE KNOW THAT THE, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION LAST NIGHT, UM, RECEIVED A STAFF BRIEFING ON THE RESOURCE GEN CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN. AND MUCH OF IT, UH, LOOKED LIKE IT HAD TO DO WITH, UH, ENERGY EFFICIENCY, DEMAND RESPONSE, THERMAL STORAGE, LOCAL SOLAR, SOLAR STANDARD OFFER, BATTERY STORAGE, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT HERE. AND SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THIS COMMISSION GET A SIMILAR BRIEFING. UM, GOOD, GOOD IDEA. OKAY. UM, YES. VICE CHAIR ROBBINS, I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS. FIRST, AS I ALLUDED TO PREVIOUSLY, UM, I WISH TO PLACE, UH, A RESOLUTION ON THE NEXT AGENDA, ASKING CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE RELEVANT CITY DEPARTMENTS TO STREAMLINE SOLAR PERMITTING. BE A PART OF OUR WORKING GROUP. I WILL SUBMIT LANGUAGE SHORTLY. I AM ASKING, I AM TELLING STAFF IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THIS WORDING, I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THEM AS SOON AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE SO THAT THERE IS NO DELAY AND THAT THIS WILL BE PLACED ON THE NEXT AGENDA. SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE UP DISTRICT CHILLING. AGAIN, I KNOW WE PASSED A RESOLUTION. I BELIEVE THERE'S SOME NEW INFORMATION, UH, THAT I HAVE, UH, STUMBLED ON THAT, UH, YOU ALL WILL FIND INTERESTING. UM, THIRD, UM, I WOULD LIKE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO TAKE UP THE ECONOMICS OF BATTERY STORAGE. SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT I'M A TROLL ON BATTERIES. I AM NOT. I THINK WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AS A COMMISSION, WHAT THE ECONOMICS ARE SO THAT WE CAN, ONE, HELP THE CONSUMER, THE RATE PAYER. AND TWO, UH, IF POSSIBLE, GET MORE STORAGE. IF WE CAN PROVE BATTERIES ARE MORE ECONOMIC THAN THEY APPEAR, WE CAN ASK FOR MORE STORAGE AND MAYBE ELIMINATE SOME OF THE GAS PLANT. AND FINALLY, AND MOST IMPORTANT, AND FOR THE NEXT AGENDA MEETING, I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE UP WHO CONTROLS OUR AGENDA AND TRANSPARENCY. WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT COMMISSION. WE SET OUR OWN AGENDA. WE ARE GOVERNED BY THE CITY CODE, NOT BY AUSTIN ENERGY'S EXECUTIVES, WHO BY FIAT WANT TO KEEP THINGS OFF OF OUR AGENDA. AND WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN AIR DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. I MEAN, UNLESS SOME GRAND RESOLUTION COMES ABOUT IN THE NEXT MONTH, WHICH I DON'T THINK IS GONNA HAPPEN, WE NEED TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THE CITY CLERK HERE. AND I THINK IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE LAW NEEDS TO BE INVOLVED, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A CIVIL VIOLATION OF THE CITY CODE. SO CHAIR, MADAM CHAIR, I'M ASKING THAT OUR NEXT AGENDA INCLUDE THIS. WHAT I HAVE SAID IS RATHER BROAD AND, UH, FRANKLY A BIT ANGRY. BUT I WILL TRY AND DISTILL IT SO THAT IT IS SIMPLER AND LESS ANGRY AND, UM, UM, POSSIBLY STREAMLINED FOR DISCUSSION. UM, I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. ARE THERE OTHER AGENDA TOPICS FOR FUTURE AGENDA THAT FOLKS WANNA SEE? OKAY, UH, COMMISSION. UH, JUST FINAL NOTE. I MAKE IT A POINT NOT TO SCREAM OR SWEAR AT MEETINGS, AND I HAVE MANAGED TO FOLLOW THAT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE MEETING. SO JUST, JUST SAYING COMMISSIONER SILVERSTEIN. MADAM CHAIR. YES. THANK YOU. THERE ARE SEVERAL, A COUPLE OF THE TOPICS THAT, THAT, UM, VICE [01:00:01] CHAIR ROBBINS HAS RAISED. I, I THINK THEY'RE ALL IMPORTANT AND WORTH DISCUSSING, AND I AM PARTICULARLY CONCERNED THAT WE WRITE THESE AGENDA ITEMS AS BROADLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT ITEMS, SO THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO RAISE TO BE SUPPRESSED BECAUSE OF INADEQUATE POSTING. SO I WILL WORK WITH, UM, I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND VICE CHAIR ROBBINS AND, UM, ANYONE ELSE WE NEED TO WORK WITH, WHICH MAY INCLUDE, UM, MS. EVERHART TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS IN THIS, EACH OF THESE TOPICS IS INCLUDED AND CANNOT BE SUPPRESSED BY CITY STAFF OR OR COMMISSION STAFF. I MEAN, AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF BECAUSE OF INADEQUATE POSTING LANGUAGE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UM, AS A REMINDER, THE ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE SEND THEM, UM, TO ME AND TO MS. GOODWIN AND, UH, HAVE CO-SPONSOR COS THIS CO-SPONSORS AS WELL. ALL RIGHT? OKAY. UH, I THINK THAT IS ALL WE HAVE FOR THIS EVENING. UM, SO, UH, WITH THAT WE WILL ADJOURN. IT IS 7 0 7. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.