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          IT'S THE CLOCK. 
          I'M 
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GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          TODAY IS TUESDAY, OCTOBER 20TH, 2026. 
          WE ARE IN AUSTIN CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS ROOM 1001. 
          WE'LL START WITH A ROLL CALL. 
          UM, CHAIR HANK SMITH, I AM PRESENT. 
          VICE CHAIR BETSY GREENBERG. 
          PRESENT. 
          SECRETARY RYAN PUZICKI. 
          PRESENT. 
          PARLIAMENTARIAN ALEJANDRO FLORES. 
          DO NOT SEE HER. 
          UH, LUIS OSTELUGO. 
          DO NOT SEE HIM. 
          UH, SCOTT BOONE. 
          PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          DAVID PHELPS. 
          HERE. 
          LONNIE STERN. 
          ANDREW CORTEZ. 
          PRESENT. 
          CHRISTIAN CHEPI. 
          HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND TAYLOR MAJOR. 
          PRESENT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. 
          WE HAVE EIGHT PRESENT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A QUORUM. 
          UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMUNICATION EITHER IN THE ROOM. 
          IS ANYBODY IN THE ROOM TO SPEAK PUBLIC COMMUNICATION? SEEING NONE AND HAVING NONE ONLINE, WE'LL GO TO THE 
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CONSENT AGENDA. 
          CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          ITEM ONE IS THE MINUTES FROM THE REGULAR MEETING ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6TH, 2026. 
          ITEM TWO IS A REZONING CASE, C142026-0054 AT PARK 290 LOGISTICS CENTER. 
          UH, THE REQUEST IS CH-CO TO LI. 
          IT IS NOT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND WILL BE A DISCUSSION ITEM. 
          ITEM THREE IS A REZONING CASE, C142026-0046, HOWARD PLAZA. 
          IT IS AT 3127 EAST HOWARD LANE. 
          IT IS A REQUEST FROM WLO TO GR, AND STAFF RECOMMENDS GR WITH, UH, CERTAIN CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS, A CO AS LISTED IN THE BACKUP. 
          UM, THAT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 6TH, 2026? OKAY. 
          UH, THEN THEY WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          SO AGAIN, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM ONE, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, AND ITEMS TWO AND THREE ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SO MOVED. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          WE ARE APPROVED. 
          SO 
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WE GO TO ITEM TWO, REZONING CASE C142026-0054. 
          PART 290 LOGISTICS CENTER. 
          GOOD EVENING, JONATHAN TOMKOV, UM, THE AUSTIN PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          ITEM NUMBER TWO IS CASE NUMBER C14 - 2026 - 0054 IS A REZONING REQUEST OF 11653 DECKER LANE AND 9921 AND 9931 EAST US HIGHWAY 290 SERVICE ROAD EASTBOUND FROM COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          THE, UH, REQUEST WAS AMENDED ON OCTOBER 15TH. 
          UH, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE ORIGINAL REQUEST OF LIMITED INDUSTRIAL SERVICES, WHICH IS LI, OR THE REVISED REQUEST, UH, TO INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          THE SUBJECT TRACT IS APPROXIMATELY 66 ACRES AND CONTAINS THE PARK 290, UH, BUILDINGS. 
          IT HAS FOUR BUILDINGS TOTALING OVER 70,000 SQUARE FEET OR 700,000 SQUARE FEET OF LEAD CERTIFIED CLASS A INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES CONSTRUCTED IN APPROXIMATELY 2025. 
          IT IS APPROXIMATELY TH - UH, 1000 FEET, UH, SOUTHWEST OF THE INTERCHANGE BETWEEN US HIGHWAY 290 AND SH OR STATE HIGHWAY 130. 
          THERE IS LARGELY UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THE VICINITY, SOME WAREHOUSES AND MULTIFAMILY USES. 
          THE SUBJECT TRACT IS WITHIN THE NORTHEAST DISTRICT PLANNING AREA, WHICH WAS INITIA- INITIATED BY COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER OF 2020 AND IMAGINE AUSTIN ACTIVITY CENTER AND IS LESS THAN A THIRD OF A MILE FROM THE A- AUSTIN MAINER HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. 
          IT IS ALSO LESS THAN A HALF MILE FROM THE PROPOSED WILD HORSE GREEN LINE STATION. 
          STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THE REZONING BASED ON THE PROPOSED ZONING BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE, UH, STATEMENT OF THE DISTRICT SOUGHT. 
          UH, COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY SERVICES, WHICH IS WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY ZONED, UM, IS LO - TYPICALLY LOCATED, UH, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF STATE MAINTAINED HIGHWAYS AND OTHER, UM, MAJOR ROADWAYS. 
          IT IS APPLIED TO SINGER, SINGLE MAJOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS OF A SERVICE NATURE THAT INCLUDE ANY COMBINATION OF OFFICE, RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, AND RESIDENTIAL USES, WHICH IS WHAT WE THINK OUR PRO - UH, STAFF FEELS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SITE. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED ZONING SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF CITY COUNCIL IN 2020. 
          AS MENTIONED, UM, COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO DEVELOP THE NORTHEAST DISTRICT PLAN. 
          THIS WORK CONTINUES TODAY AND STAFF, UH, REVIEWED THE, THE COUNCIL DIRECTION AND COORDINATED WITH THE STAFF WORKING ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PLAN, AND THEY AGREED THAT INTRODUCING LIMITED INDUSTRIAL SERVICES OR INDUSTRIAL PARKS INTO THIS AREA WHERE IT IS NOT CURRENTLY PRESENT 
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COULD UNDERMINE THIS EFFORT AND NOT BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF CITY COUNCIL. 
          UH, GRANTING THIS REQUEST WOULD, UM, SHOULD RESULT IN AN EQUAL TREATMENT OF SIMILARLY SITUATED PROPERTIES. 
          IN 2023, NEXT DOOR TO THIS SITE, UH, THERE'S A THREE MEN MOVERS SITE THAT'S DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT. 
          THERE WAS A REQUEST TO REZONE FROM IRR TO LI. 
          UH, BOTH STAFF, ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL DENIED THAT REQUEST AND THAT PROPERTY WAS ULTIMATELY GRANTED CS, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL SERVICES DISTRICT, NOT AN INDUSTRIAL ONE. 
          AND LASTLY, UH, ZONING SHOULD ALLOW FOR REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED CHCO, WHICH ALLOWS A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THAT REQUEST IS ALSO REASONABLE GIVEN THE EXTENSIVE PLANNING WITHIN THE VICINITY, THE PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC ASSETS AS MENTIONED, THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL AND THE PROPOSED GREEN LINE STATION AT SH130. 
          I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW FOR ITEM TWO FOR DISCUSSION, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, TURNER COOK, WHO'S RECEIVING THREE MINUTES OF DONATING TIME FROM PAM MADEER, WHO IS HERE. 
          AND SO TURNER, YOU HAVE TOTAL OF NINE MINUTES. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, AND THANK YOU, JONATHAN. 
          UM, I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING TIME THIS EVENING. 
          UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL EVENING. 
          I'M SURE YOU GOT OTHER THINGS TO DO WITH YOUR FAMILY OR OTHER COMMITMENTS. 
          UM, SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING US OUT ON THIS CASE. 
          UM, BEFORE I MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I, I WOULD ENCOURAGE DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE BACK AND FORTH, BUT IT HAS TO BE A PRESENTATION. 
          SO WE'LL RUN THROUGH IT AND KEEP NOTES ON THE SIDE. 
          UM, SOME DEL - DEVELOPMENT FACTS THAT, UM, JONATHAN TOUCHED ON. 
          IT IS A FOUR BUILDING CLASS A DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S 762,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          WE DELIVERED IT AND IT'S READY FOR TENANTS SINCE JANUARY OF 2025. 
          WE DO HAVE ONE BUILDING STABILIZED. 
          WE HAVE A TENANT IN IT, AND I'LL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. 
          UM, WE'RE LEED SILVER CERTIFIED, SILVER STANDARD CERTIFIED. 
          WE HAVE EV CHARGING STATIONS AND A WALKING TRAIL ON SITE. 
          UM, I WANTED TO BRING UP THIS MAP HERE BECAUSE I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          IT'S AN OVERLAY OF SOME OF THE ZONINGS. 
          WE'RE OBVIOUSLY LOCATED THERE IN THE CENTER WITH OUR LOGO. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS HAPPENED AROUND THIS 290-130 INTERCHANGE. 
          SOME IMPORTANT THINGS TO POINT OUT. 
          UM, I DID HIGHLIGHT THE, THE QUARTER OR CALL IT A THIRD OF A MILE FROM THE CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY TO THE HIKING BIKING TRAIL. 
          UH, THAT IS AS THE CROW FLIES. 
          IF YOU WANTED TO GET THERE VIA A VEHICLE OR BIKE, UM, NOT TRAVERSING, UH, PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE ARE HALF A MILE AS STATED TO THE FUTURE PROPOSED WILD HORSE STATION, UH, THOUGH THAT'S AS THE CROW FLIES AND ACROSS 130, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE MAP. 
          SOME OTHER THINGS TO HIGHLIGHT ARE JUST KIND OF OUR TRAFFIC PLANS IN AND OUT. 
          WE, WE DON'T WORK, WE'RE, WE'RE AGAINST, UH, 130 AND, AND 290 THERE. 
          ALL OF OUR TRAFFIC COMES RIGHT THERE ALONG THE HIGHWAY AND THE FRONTAGE ROAD, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T PLAN TO GO ANY FURTHER OR DEEPER, UH, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR, OR FURTHER SOUTH INTERFERING WITH THE HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS THE FINAL THING THERE IS THE FUTURE METRO RAIL, THE GREEN LINE EXPANSION, UM, HIGHLIGHTED THERE ALONG THE BIKE TRAIL. 
          ZOOMING IN A BIT, THIS IS OUR SITE PLAN. 
          UM, IF YOU START ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE, YOU CAN SEE OUR FOUR BUILDINGS. 
          THE, THE SMALLEST IN THE LOWER LEFT-HAND SIDE, UM, IS THE BUILDING THAT WE'VE STABILIZED. 
          WE'VE GOT A TENANT IN THERE, BUT THE THREE OTHER REMAIN VACANT AND HAVE BEEN VACANT SINCE 2025. 
          UH, THE, THE ZONING LIMITS OF WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR WERE CH, UH, HOWEVER, YOU CAN SEE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PARK THERE, UM, AND OUR PARK 290 ASSET, UH, BEATS, UH, ALL, ALL OF THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM REQUIREMENTS THERE BY, BY A LARGE SHARE. 
          I REALLY WANTED TO SPEND SOME TIME ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE IT KIND OF TALKS ABOUT, UM, THE HISTORY OF THE PARK. 
          UH, CHCO WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2008. 
          I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ORDINANCE, BUT, UH, IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2008. 
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WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 2021, AND WE COMPLETED OUR ENTITLEMENTS WITHOUT A ZONING CHANGE IN 2023. 
          THE MARKET WAS WORKING THROUGH COVID. 
          THE, THE, THE MARKET WAS SHIFTING AND RESPONDING. 
          WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION WAS IN VERY HIGH DEMAND. 
          WHETHER IT WAS SUPPLIES DIRECTLY RELATED TO COVID RESPONSE OR THE BIGGER E-COMMERCE SHIFT, STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION WAS IN HIGH DEMAND AND CH WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEEDED AT THE TIME. 
          FAST-FORWARD TO TODAY, THREE YEARS LATER, AND WE'VE BEEN DELIVERED SINCE 25 AND ONLY HAD ONE LEASE SIGNED. 
          AUSTIN IS A HUB OF TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION. 
          THE MARKET HAS MOVED. 
          THE TENANTS IN THE MARKET ARE NO LONGER LOOKING FOR LIMITED WAREHOUSING PROVIDED BY CH. 
          THE ONSHORING PUSH MERGES EXCEPTIONALLY WELL WITH AUSTIN'S INNOVATION AND SKILLED WORKFORCE. 
          OUR USE MUST EXPAND AND GROW IN ALIGNMENT WITH AUSTIN AND THE AUSTIN MARKET. 
          WE DID INITIALLY LOOK AT LI AS A NATURAL FIT FOR HAVING ALL THE USES NEEDED, BUT QUICKLY REALIZED THAT THAT WAS INAPPROPRIATE, AN INAPPROPRIATE THOUGH PROCESS, OVERREACHING AND, AND NOT WHAT WE NEEDED FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, IT INCLUDES BASIC INDUSTRY, A RECYCLING CENTER, RESOURCE EXTRACTION, ALL VERY HEAVY USES THAT ARE NOT APPLICABLE FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR OR THE TENANTS IN THE MARKET AT THE TIME, UM, THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO US WITH INTEREST. 
          IP HIGHLIGHTS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM THE INTERESTED TENANTS IN THE MARKET. 
          THE INDUSTRIAL USES OF GENERAL WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION AND LIGHT MANUFACTURING WOULD ALLOW US THE OPPORTUNITY TO GROW WITH AUSTIN AS AUSTIN ADVANCES ITSELF. 
          I'D LIKE TO READ THE DEFINITION OF AN INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          IT IS A DI - UH, A DISTRICT DESIGNATED FOR LIMITED COMMERCIAL SERVICES, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT USE, ADMINISTRATIVE USE, OR MANUFACTURING USE THAT MEETS STRICT DEVELOPMENT AND PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON A LARGE SITE. 
          I FEEL LIKE OUR SITE IS AN EXEMPLATORY EXAMPLE OF THAT. 
          GOAL ALIGNMENT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN ASK AND EVERY ASK NEEDS CAREFUL CONSIDERATION. 
          WITH, WITH THAT, WE HAVE REVIEWED THE NORTHEAST DISTRICT PLAN AND FOUND SOME ALIGNMENTS WE'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          RETAINING EXISTING BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS OR EXISTING, UH, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, OUR CURRENT CH, UM, LIMITS THE TENANTS THAT WE CAN TRA - ATTRACT AND KEEP AT PARK 290. 
          IP ZONING LETS US FETCH NEW BUSINESSES IN THE MARKET AND LEADS TO THE CURRENT EMPLOYERS IN THIS DISTRICT, STIMULATING A STRONG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          PARK 290 IS BUILT FOR ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, A CITY TARGET INDUSTRY, PLUS THE WAREHOUSING, DISTRIBUTION, AND LOGISTICS. 
          IP ZONING LETS US DELIVER THE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT THE CITY WANTS TO SEE GROW, GENERATING, UH, AND RETAINING STABLE JOBS. 
          THE NORTHEAST, NORTHEAST PLANNING DISTRICTS HAS FEWER JOBS THAN WORKERS. 
          INDUSTRIAL TENANTS BRING MANUFACTURING, ENGINEERING, SKILLED TRADE, AND LOGISTICS JOBS TO THE AREA. 
          IP ZONING HELPS US CREATE AND KEEP STABLE LOCAL JOBS THROUGH QUALITY TENANTS. 
          I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY. 
          IT ONLY GIVES US LIMITED, UH, GENERAL, OR LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION, WHICH IS TYPICALLY LESS SKILLED TRADES, UH, AS YOU'RE NOT BREACHING INTO THE MANUFACTURING, UM, AND ENGINEERING TRADES. 
          CREATING AND MAINTAINING VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          PARK 290 IS A BEST IN CLASS LEAD SILVER DEVELOPMENT WITH AN ONSITE WALKING TRAIL THAT I FORGOT TO HIGHLIGHT IN THE SITE PLAN AND RUNNING AND CYCLING TRAIL EXTENSIONS ALONG DECKER LANE. 
          THE ZONING, UM, LETS US STABILIZE THE PLAN INDUSTRIAL CENTER AND IT ADDS CONNECTIONS TO THE NEARBY MANGER HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL. 
          AS A CYCLIST MYSELF, I REALLY APPRECIATE A TRAIL THAT YOU CAN HAVE, UM, A LONG DISTANCE AND NOT, UH, BE FACED WITH TRAFFIC. 
          UM, MEETING, MEETING THE DIVERSE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, NORTHEAST PLANNING DISTRICT'S RESIDENTS FACE LOWER INCOMES AND HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT AND INDUSTRIAL JOBS SPANNED MANY SKILL LEVELS. 
          IP ZONING LETS US OFFER SPACE FOR SMALL FARMS THROUGH LARGE OPERATORS BY CREATING JOBS ACROSS ALL SKILL LEVELS. 
          FINALLY, IMPROVING CONNECTIVITY. 
          AS YOU'VE SEEN WHERE IT WAS LOCATED, IT, IT, THE PRODUCT HAS, OUR PROJECT HAS D- DIRECT ACCESS TO 290 AND 130 AND LINKS LOCAL WORKERS TO MAJOR EMPLOYERS ALONG THE FREEWAY CORRIDORS. 
          IP ZONING LETS US KEEP THE TRUCK TRAFFIC ON THE REGIONAL HIGHWAY AND OFF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ROADS WHILE GIVING, UM, 
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WHILE GIVING THE WORKERS A SHORT COMMUTE TO WORK. 
          AS I SWITCH HERE TO THE INDUSTRIAL NEIGHBORS, I'D, I'D LIKE TO TURN THIS PRESENTATION OVER TO RYAN, THE VP OF ASSET MANAGEMENT. 
          I GUESS I FORGOT TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AS TURNER COOK, THE VP OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CENTRAL REGION. 
          RYAN OVERSEES THE SAME REGION AND WILL BE TAKING US THROUGH THESE LAST SLIDES. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN AND I WELCOME QUESTIONS AT THE END AS WE FINISH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE RYAN SOL WHO'S GETTING DONATED TIME FROM JASON BENNETT. 
          JASON, SO RYAN WILL RECEIVE SIX MINUTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          UH, GOOD TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL. 
          UM, LIKE TURNER SAID, I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR LEASING PARK 290, TAKING CARE OF THE ASSET. 
          UM, SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON WHERE WE SIT TODAY. 
          SO TURNER GOT EVERYBODY FAMILIAR WITH GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THIS SITS, UH, A- AS WE'VE WORKED THROUGH THE LEASING ON THIS, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, UM, THROUGHOUT OUR LEASE UP PROCESS IS A NUMBER OF THESE EXISTING CUSTOMERS THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP LOOKING TO GROW ORGANICALLY WITH THE CITY, UM, WITH OUR PROJECT BEING CONSIDERED A- AND WHAT WE'VE RUN INTO WITH A, A NUMBER OF THESE, UM, IS A SITUATION WHERE THE, THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE IS EITHER AMBIGUOUS ENOUGH WHERE TENANTS ARE HAVING TO LOOK ELSEWHERE WHEN THEY'RE PREFERRING OUR LOCATION OR, UM, THE USE DOESN'T CURRENTLY COMPLY EVEN THOUGH THEY, THEY WANT TO BE THERE AND GEOGRAPHICALLY AND FUNCTIONALLY SPEAKING, IT MAKES SENSE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT SITS ADJACENT TO THE APPLIED MATERIALS CAMPUS, YOU'VE GOT AN AMAZON DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, AND I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TYPES OF USERS THAT WE WOULD BE SEEKING TO LEASE TO... 
          I'M GONNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          LET'S SEE. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THIS IS A, A, THIS IS A RELATIVELY COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF EITHER, UH, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS THAT WE'RE WORKING TO SECURE PENDING, YOU KNOW, THE APPROVAL THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASK FROM, UH, FROM THE CITY HERE OR DEALS THAT WE HAVE LOST OR PROSPECTS THAT WE HAVE LOST. 
          UM, GOING BACK TO TURNER'S COMMENTS RELATED TO JUST WHAT'S CHANGED OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS FROM A LEASING STANDPOINT, WHEN WE DESIGNED AND DEVELOPED THIS, THERE WERE A LOT MORE TRANSPORTATION AND LOGISTICS ORIENTED USERS IN THE MARKET, AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST 12 MONTHS IS A SUBSTANTIAL UPTICK IN GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING TO ONSHORE, NEARSHORE, AND PUT LARGE DOLLARS AT WORK IN, IN THE US SPECIFICALLY IN AUSTIN, SPECIFICALLY IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN, GIVEN ITS PROXIMITY TO, UM, JUST BEING ABLE TO GET INTO TOWN AND JUST OTHER INDUSTRY GIVEN THE, THE MAP THAT I HAD JUST SHARED. 
          SO, UH, JUST KIND OF RUNNING THROUGH THIS, A LOT OF THESE USERS THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO LEASE TO, UM, ARE, ARE LOOKING TO CLIMATE CONTROL THE BUILDINGS. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING TO, UM, INSTALL, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT AND HAVE HEAVIER HEAD COUNTS FROM A, FROM A JOBS AND EMPLOYMENT STANDPOINT. 
          AND THESE AREN'T JUST, UM, THESE ARE NOT NECESSARILY, UH, ENTRY LEVEL, UH, SHIPPING AND RECEIVING TYPE OP - EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. 
          THESE ARE ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, MACHINING, YOU'VE GOT, UM, ENGINEERING JOBS, YOU'VE GOT A REALLY WIDE ARRAY WHEN YOU THINK THROUGH WHAT AN ASSEMBLY ORIENTED USER OR A TECHNOLOGY ORIENTED USER, UM, WOULD BE LOOKING TO HIRE FOR. 
          AND I THINK THE WAY THAT WE'VE DESIGNED THIS PARK, UM, HAS REALLY ATTRACTED A LOT OF THESE USERS. 
          AND SO AS WE'VE, AS WE'VE GONE DOWN THE PATH, THAT'S, THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHY WE'RE MAKING THIS, THIS ASK IS TO MEET THE MARKET AND TO MEET THE DEMAND THAT WE'RE, THAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THESE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE SEEKING TO INVEST SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIAL DOLLARS INTO THESE ASSETS AND INTO THE COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY, BOTH FROM A JOB STANDPOINT AND THEN, UH, FROM THE PHYSICAL REAL ESTATE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO INVEST IN AND ULTIMATELY IMPROVING THE TAX BASE. 
          SO ROUNDING THIS OUT, I THINK THE ASK, UM, AND AGAIN, RESTATING WHAT TURNER HAD SAID, THE GOAL WOULD BE TO HAVE, UH, JUST A, A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION WITH, UH, WITH YOU ALL, UH, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE AND TO, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THINKING THROUGH THE, THE BENEFITS HERE FROM A PROPERTY TAX STANDPOINT AS THIS IS STABILIZED AND WE'RE ABLE TO SECURE, UM, YOU KNOW, FULL OCCUPANCY, APPROXIMATELY $3.1 MILLION IN ANNUAL PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, 800 JOBS, I THINK THAT THAT IS REASONABLE TO REALLY ON THE LOWER END, GIVEN SOME OF THE USERS THAT WE HAVE SEEN, 
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GOING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, AND THEN FROM A PAYROLL STANDPOINT, UH, ON A GROSS BASIS, ASSUMING, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY $44 MILLION WORTH OF, UH, INCOME ACROSS 800, 800 JOBS THAT WOULD BE GENERATED. 
          SO WITH THERE, I WILL YIELD MY TIME. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          OH, ONE MORE? OH, THEY TOOK OUT Q&A. 
          OH, THERE YOU GO. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? NO, THAT CONCLUDES SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WANNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          I MOVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED. 
          OKAY. 
          PUBLIC HEARING. 
          IS THERE A, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          SO IF UNANIMOUS, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          NOW WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS. 
          QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR THE APPLICANT OR NOT STAFF OR... 
          YEAH, STAFF OR THE APPLICANT. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, I WOULD... 
          THIS IS JUST KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION FOR STAFF, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS LAID OUT HERE, COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHY OR WHY NOT THIS DOESN'T FIT INTO THE, THE BROADER NORTHEAST PLAN? I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE TOO VAGUE FOR ME TO, TO PIECE IT ALL TOGETHER. 
          THANKS. 
          SURE. 
          UH, JONATHAN TOMKO WITH AUSTIN PLANNING. 
          THE PLAN IS STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, W - ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS EXISTING USES IN THE AREA. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE ACROSS 130 TO THE EAST, UH, THERE'S THE WILD HORSE PUD, WHICH IS PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE AND MULTI-FAMILY ZONING, UH, WITHIN THAT PUD, UH, USES WITHIN THAT PUD, UM, THAT ARE CONNECTED BY MULTI- MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO THERE'S MORE WALKABILITY AND BIKEABILITY. 
          AND AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THERE'S A LOT OF UNDEVELOPED LAND IN THIS AREA, SO IT'S KIND OF QUESTIONABLE IN TERMS OF WHICH WAY IT COULD GO. 
          UM, AND STAFF FELT THAT INTRODUCING THOSE MORE INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USES COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THAT KIND OF WALKABILITY BECAUSE THE SCALE OF THOSE, UM, THOSE USES, UM, BEING MORE, YOU KNOW, NOX-ISH OR IN- INTENSIVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY THE, THE PREVIOUS ZONING CATEGORY THAT WAS REQUESTED, LI IS, IS VERY INTENSE. 
          UM, STAFF LOOKED AND THE NEAREST, UH, LI USE TO THE SITE WAS OVER A MILE AWAY, UH, FURTHER TO THE WEST, UM, AWAY FROM WHERE THE PROPOSED TRANSIT AREA WOULD BE, UM, AND A- AWAY FROM THE TRAIL. 
          UM, SO THERE IS THAT KIND OF EMPHASIS IN DEVELOPING THE PLAN FOR THAT KIND OF MIXED USE AND NOT THESE MORE INTENSE USES BECAUSE WITH THAT UNDEVELOPED LAND, THAT LEADS TO, YOU KNOW, OPENING THE DOOR TO POTENTIALLY MORE OF THOSE USES IN THE FUTURE, UM, WHICH COULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THAT PLAN AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING IT. 
          UM, COLONY PARK AND THE, UH, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY EXPO CENTER ARE OTHER ANCHORS WITHIN THAT PLAN. 
          UH, AND THAT'S, AGAIN, AN EMPHASIS ON TRANSIT, AN EMPHASIS, UH, UH, ON THE NEW METRO RAPID THAT GOES OUT TO THE EXPO CENTER. 
          I THINK THERE WAS ALSO SOME, UH, REAL ESTATE TRANSACTIONS TO BETTER UTILIZE THAT LAND AND, UH, PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF DEVELOPERS LIKE THE COLONY PARK MASTER PLAN ITSELF THAT WOULD CREATE MORE MUELLER-ESQUE WALKABLE PLACES, UM, THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE THOSE INTENSE INDUSTRIAL USES AS A PART OF THEM. 
          UM, I GUESS, GIVEN THAT, I GUESS THEIR PREFERENCES FOR INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH WAS NOT IN THE NOTICE, UM, BUT I BELIEVE WE COULD DO IF WE WANTED, UM, WHAT YOU JUST... 
          HOW, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT CATEGORY RELATIVE TO... 
          I MEAN, IT'S STILL AN INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          UH, AS NOTED, THERE ARE, ARE FOUR INDUSTRIAL USES ALLOWED IN INDUSTRIAL PARK VERSUS THE SEVEN IN LI, UH, BUT STAFF STILL REMAINS OPPOSED, UH, SOME OF THOSE CUSTOM MANUFACTURING AND GENERAL WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION, LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND LIMITED WAREHOUSE AND DISTRIBUTION. 
          I CAN READ THROUGH SOME OF THOSE, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, MANUFACTURING, UH, AND PRODUCTION, THINGS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE NOISY OR REQUIRE A LOT OF, UH, CHEMICALS, UM - UH-HUH. 
          THINGS THAT ARE JUST NOT GREAT AND DON'T REALLY KIND OF EXIST IN KIND OF WALKABLE, UM, MIXED USE AREAS LIKE, UH, IS ENVISIONED, I BELIEVE, BY THE PLAN. 
          UH, EAST AUSTIN HAS BORNE A LOT OF THESE INDUSTRIAL USES IN THE PAST, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE IMPETUSES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NORTHEAST PLAN, WAS TO TRY AND, UH, PREVENT THAT KIND OF PROLIFERATION, UM, THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY SO CLOSE TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. 
          YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. 
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I, I MEAN, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE NOXIOUS USE. 
          I THINK GIVEN THAT THE SITE IS LARGELY BUILT OUT, THAT THE WALKABILITY OF IT IS WHAT IT IS AND THAT, UM, SOME USE IS GOING TO GO INTO THOSE BUILDINGS THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE - IT'S TRUE. 
          I THINK... 
          RETAIL OR NEIGHBORHOOD ORIENTED. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          I THINK QUES - STAFF DID ALSO QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHY DEVELOP THAT SITE WITHOUT SEEKING A REZONING AT EARLIER TIME. 
          I GET THAT THE MARKET WAS AT A DIFFERENT POINT, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, STAFF FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE CH AS IT WAS. 
          THE CO ACTUALLY HAD A TRIP COUNT LIMIT. 
          WE DON'T TYPICALLY DO THOSE ANYMORE. 
          UM, BUT - WOULD THAT REMAIN INTACT? I BEG YOUR PARDON? DOES THE CO REMAIN INTACT? IT DOES AT THIS TIME, BUT IT WOULD NOT CARRY FORWARD WITH THIS REZONING. 
          HMM. 
          I SEE. 
          BUT SO WHY, WHY WOULD YOU DEVELOP, I GUESS  THE QUESTION ON, YOU KNOW, IN STAFF'S MINDS, WHY WOULD YOU DEVELOP A S - 700,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY WITH A TRIP COUNT AND NOT SEEK THE REZONING PRIOR TO INVESTING THAT MUCH MONEY IN A PARTICULAR SITE AND THEN COME BACK TO US AND, AND SAY, "HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO SOMETHING MORE INTENSE HERE WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE BUILT, UH, WITHOUT THE REZONING." THANKS. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          YOU MAY HAVE COVERED THIS ALREADY, BUT WHO IS THE TENANT IN THE LEASED OUT SPACE? WHO IS THE TENANT IN THE LEASED OUT SPACE? OH, SURE. 
          UM, THAT IS SPG SPECIAL PACKAGING GROUP. 
          THEY, UM, THEY HANDLE AND DISTRIBUTE CARDBOARD BOXES. 
          IT'S NOT, UH, TERRIBLY SEXY. 
          UM,  THAT, THAT, THAT'S OUR ONE TENANT. 
          UH, WE'VE STRUGGLED TO FIND OTHER LOGISTICS ONLY WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION TENANTS. 
          UH, WHERE THE MARKET, AGAIN, IS REALLY TURNING IS TO MORE ADVANCED MANUFACTURING, UH, SKILLED LABOR, HIGHER EMPLOYEE ACCOUNTS, AND LOWER TRIP, UH, TRIP COUNTS. 
          I, I THINK IT WAS ON THE S - OUR SLIDES. 
          IT MAY HAVE NOT MADE IT TO CITY STAFF, SO MY MISTAKE, BUT WE, WE WOULD BE JUST FINE WITH LEAVING THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          I THINK IT'S 2,000 TRIPS PER DAY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GONNA HAVE LESS TRAFFIC IF THIS WAS GRANTED AS AN INDUSTRIAL PARK, AS MANUFACTURING USERS HAVE LESS TRUCKS AND MORE EMPLOYEES, UH, OPPOSED TO YOUR TRADITIONAL THIRD-PARTY LOGISTICS PROVIDERS. 
          AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING SPACE DO THEY OCCUPY? RIGHT. 
          11% OF THE PARK. 
          IT'S THE SMALLEST OF THE FOUR BUILDINGS. 
          SO ROUGHLY SIX UN - 630,000 SQUARE FEET REMAINS? SE - 715. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IS THE STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION? I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE AERIAL PHOTOS, AND THEY'RE STILL... 
          I THINK... 
          ARE THE BUILDINGS COMPLETE AT THIS TIME? Y- YES, SIR. 
          WE WERE FULLY DELIVERED IN JANUARY OF 2025. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WE'VE BEEN ALMOST APPROACHING OUR SECOND BIRTHDAY SINCE DELIVERY. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN, UH, VERY DILIGENTLY TRYING TO GET THESE BUILDINGS FILLED AND, UM, WHAT... 
          WHEN WE GOT THROUGH ENTITLEMENTS IN 23, THE MARKET WAS SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN IT IS TODAY. 
          AND, UM, I THINK THAT'S GREAT FOR AUSTIN, AND I THINK IT'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LOCAL WORKFORCE TO, TO EXPAND AND HAVE QUALITY JOBS OPPOSED TO STANDARD LOGISTICS JOBS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S NO CHANGES BEING PROPOSED TO THE, WHAT THE BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE? NO, SIR. 
          NO CHANGE. 
          FLOOR PARKING, EVERYTHING IS GONNA STAY EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS. 
          THE ZONING, WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO INSIDE IS GONNA BE DIFFERENT, SO - THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OUR BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY DESIGNED AS A TYPICAL WAREHOUSE. 
          UM, THERE WOULD BE NO CHANGES WE WOULD MAKE. 
          THIS IS LITERALLY ENABLING US TO CATER TO MORE TENANTS THAT MAY HAVE LIGHT ASSEMBLY OR SOME FACET OF MANUFACTURING THAT W- WE HAVE HAD TO TURN AWAY, UM, DUE TO OUR CURRENT ZONING. 
          UM, I'M, I'M KINDA SEEING BOTH SIDES, AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT... 
          I GOT A QUESTION FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE. 
          IS THERE A WAY, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, THAT WE COULD APPROVE THE ZONING THEY'RE REQUESTING IN ANY USES THAT ARE ADDITIONAL USES THAT AREN'T ALLOWED CURRENTLY, WE MAKE THOSE CONDITIONAL, SO THAT IF THEY WANT TO GO TO ONE OF THOSE USES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A STAFF FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          SO THE STAFF GETS THE PROTECTIONS THEY WANT, AND THAT NOTHING'S GONNA GO OUT THERE THAT DOESN'T MEET WHAT THEY WANNA SEE DONE THERE, BUT THE APPLICANT GETS ZONING, GIVES THEM SOME 
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FLEXIBILITY TO AT LEAST MARKET TO OTHER PEOPLE AND GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME THINGS. 
          OR DOES THAT KIND OF MAKE SENSE? YEAH. 
          SO I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE TRIP COUNT WE CANNOT PUT IN A CO GOING FORWARD - RIGHT. 
          EVEN IF WE WANTED TO. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT THERE ARE THE FOUR USES, THE CUSTOM MANUFACTURING, THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING, THE LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND THE GENERAL WAREHOUSING. 
          Y'ALL COULD CHOOSE TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT MAKES ANY OF THOSE FOUR USES CONDITIONAL OR BUY RIGHT AND PUT THAT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY IT HELPS STAFF. 
          WE WOULDN'T AGREE WITH THAT, BUT IF THAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL COULD RECOMMEND IF Y'ALL - I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO... 
          I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN THERE FOR TWO YEARS AND NOTHING'S HAPPENING ON THE LEASING. 
          UM, CLEARLY THEY'RE STRUGGLING. 
          IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO? AND IF THEY HAVE TENANTS WHO ARE JUST NOT SURE THAT THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO UNDER THE ZONING, THEY NEED SOME CLARIFICATION. 
          IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE IT CLEAR WITHOUT CHANGING THE ZONING OR IS THERE A WAY WE CAN DO A CONDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD HELP THEM WITHOUT PUTTING IN THE USES THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE IN THAT ZONE? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I MEAN, SO YOU'RE ALREADY IN CH AND IT'S ALLOWING ALL OF THOSE USES, SO YOU CAN'T NOT - RIGHT. 
          CHANGE THE ZONING TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL USES THAT DON'T ALLOW, THAT AREN'T ALLOWED IN CS, OR CH. 
          RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE CHCO NOW. 
          UM - SO I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE FOUR USES WITHIN THE, THE I, THE IP DISTRICT THAT I MENTIONED, THE, AND I'M HAPPY TO READ A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT THOSE ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEM ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT. 
          LIKE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND GENERAL WAREHOUSING IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER STUFF IS STORED OUT INSIDE OR OUTSIDE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN, YOU KNOW, STORING THINGS OUTSIDE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OF. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD, AGAIN, BE AT Y'ALL'S DISCRETION. 
          AND THEN THE SAME THING WITH MANUFACTURING. 
          THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND CUSTOM MANUFACTURING IS, IS, IS VERY DIFFERENT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD RESTRICT WHAT, WHAT TENANTS MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THAT SITE GIVEN THOSE KINDS OF USES. 
          I MEAN, IF WE GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THOSE USES WITH A CONDI - WITH A CONDITION - THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO STAFF AND TO US AS A DISCRETIONARY DECISION AND WE COULD SAY NO. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULD GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST TRY TO GET A BROADER ARRAY OF TENANTS INTO THE BUILDING. 
          YES. 
          UM, BUT STILL GIVE THE CITY THE PROTECTIONS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          I'M JUST, I'M KIND OF LOOKING TO STAFF TO SEE DOES THAT- THAT IS POSSIBLE. 
          IS THAT AN IN- IN BETWEEN THAT- THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR. 
          WE COULD ALL LIVE WITH . 
          I MEAN, IF WE KEEP THE ZONING THE WAY IT IS AND THOSE BUILDINGS SIT FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, HAVING AN EMPTY BUILDING IS NOT GOOD FOR THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE BUILDINGS WILL DETERIORATE VERY RAPIDLY BY NOT HAVING ANYTHING GOING ON INSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          AND I THINK YOU STILL WOULD BE SETTING THE PRECEDENT OF INTRODUCING A LI OR AN, AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING CATEGORY WITHIN THIS AREA. 
          AND, AND THAT COULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR OTHER CASES IN THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE WOULD BE OPEN FOR, AND I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION GREATLY. 
          UM, I'D ALSO THINK THAT YOU GUYS MENTIONED THAT IT WAS UNDER DEVELOPMENT, YOUR CURRENT PLAN. 
          WE'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN DEVELOPED - RIGHT. 
          FOR, FOR TWO YEARS NOW. 
          AND SO NOT THAT, THAT MEANS A WHOLE LOT, BUT, UM, OPENING, I, AND I UNDERSTAND, TRULY UNDERSTAND THE SETTING PRECEDENTS THAT THIS COULD DO, BUT I, I DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AS THIS IS A DEVELOPED PARK OPPOSED TO AN UNDEVELOPED PARK, UH, OR A GREENFIELD PASTURE THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS. 
          UM, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO STABILIZE WITH REALLY QUALITY TENANTS. 
          I MEAN, WE'VE LOST APPLIED MATERIALS. 
          THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THERE. 
          WE HAD THE WHOLE LIST OF EVERYBODY THAT ALL FIT THE TWO CATEGORIES THAT WE DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          AND WE'RE ONLY LOOKING FOR THOSE FOUR UNDER INDUSTRIAL, WHERE WE ONLY, WE HAVE TWO OF THEM NOW WITH CH. 
          WE'RE LOOKING TO GET ALL FOUR, UH, WITH THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          AND ANY OF THE OTHER USES OR OTHER USES THAT, THAT FALL OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT COULD BE CONCERNS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS OR FOR CITY COUNCIL, UM, ANY, ANYTHING AT ALL, WE, THAT, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TARGETING. 
          UM, AND WE'RE JUST TARGETING TO BASICALLY HIT THAT PLAYBOOK OF TENANTS THAT WE'VE MISSED OUT ON OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. 
          I'D, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY I'M PRETTY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, GO AHEAD, TAYLOR. 
          JUST, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR POTENTIAL SOLUTION. 
          ARE YOU SAYING GO AHEAD AND GRANT THE APPLICANT THE ZONING THEY'RE SEEKING, RESTRICT THE USES 
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TO THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES, AND THEN FOR THOSE FOUR CATEGORIES THEY NEED TO COME BACK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? BASICALLY, YES. 
          AND I'M NOT, I CAN'T SPEAK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IP AND CHCO BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE COS, BUT THE ADDITIONAL THINGS THAT ARE IN IP THAT AREN'T IN CHCO, THOSE WOULD ALL BE CONDITIONAL. 
          UM, SO THE THINGS THAT ARE IN CHCO THEY CAN DO, CONTINUE TO DO IF IT'S IN LI OR IP. 
          UM, BUT THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ADDITIONAL THAT AREN'T IN CHCO BUT ARE IN IP, THOSE WOULD ALL BE CONDITIONAL USES. 
          SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO STAFF AND TO THIS COMMISSION TO GET APPROVAL WITH A SPECIFIC END USER IN MIND. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, I BELIEVE, EXCUSE ME, THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME'S ES- ES- ESCAPING ME, BUT HE'S ONE OF THE VICE PRESIDENTS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          I THINK HE SAID THEY'RE LOOKING TO ONLY PICK UP TWO ADDITIONAL USES, TWO THEY CURRENTLY HAVE UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING AND THEY WANT TO PICK UP TWO MORE. 
          SO IS IT POSSIBLE TO, INSTEAD OF LIKE TO, TO DO THE ZONING TO IP AND ONLY ALLOW LIKE THOSE TWO ADDITIONAL USES INSTEAD OF ALL THE IP ZONING? LIKE DOES THAT MAKE - THAT, THAT WOULD WORK GREAT FOR US TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, CHAIR MAYOR. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD GO FOR JUST THOSE FOUR. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER USE THAT WE'RE TARGETING OR THAT OUR BUILDINGS ARE SUITED FOR. 
          I MEAN, I DO, I MEAN, IN THE PERFECT WORLD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE BUILT ANYTHING OUT HERE. 
          YOU WOULDN'T HAVE DEVELOPED A SITE. 
          WE COME UP WITH A MASTER PLAN. 
          THE MASTER PLAN CALLS FOR MULTI-FAMILY OVER RETAIL AT THE SITE. 
          UM, TOP OF MY HEAD, DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I THINK THE PLAN IS SAYING. 
          WE WANT THE PLAN TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. 
          THE PROBLEM IS YOU GUYS HAVE BUILT A SITE. 
           YOU'VE GOT BUILDINGS ON THE GROUND THAT AREN'T GONNA CHANGE OR MOVE. 
          UM, SO TRYING TO GIVE YOU A ZONING THAT GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO PUT IN THERE, BUT STILL STAFF WANT SOME RESTRICTIONS AND UNDERSTANDABLY TO NOT ALLOW USES GOING INTO EAST AUSTIN IN THIS AREA THAT WE DON'T, THAT WOULD BE VERY OBNOXIOUS TO THE, THE EAST AUSTIN. 
          AND NOBODY WANTS THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE PROTECT THAT. 
          AND I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY... 
          YOU CAN'T ADD ON USES, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          I MEAN, ONE THING WOULD BE TO DO IS LEAVE IT CHCO BUT ADD USES. 
          YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          UM,  YOU JUST, WE CAN'T ADD USES TO A ZONING. 
          WE CAN LIMIT YOU AND REMOVE THINGS, BUT WE CAN'T ADD THINGS TO IT. 
          FU- FULLY UNDERSTOOD. 
          I MEAN, I, I, I COULD OFFER, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE, AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION, PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATELY, JUST WENT FOR LI NOT THINKING ABOUT IT AND THEN QUICKLY REALIZED HOW THAT WASN'T THE CUTTING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS NOT REALLY CUT TO FIT. 
          NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GET EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND KNOW MORE AND, UM, REALLY A CUT TO FIT APPROACH FOR OUR BUILDINGS FOR EXACTLY WHAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, THAT PIVOT DID HAPPEN LATE. 
          IF, UM, IF THERE'S A NEED TO, TO THINK ABOUT THIS, IF, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL TIME OR IF CITY STAFF WOULD LIKE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS, WE COULD, WE COULD ALSO, UM, COME, COME BACK HERE IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A MINUTE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO YOU'RE NOT IN A DIRE NEED THAT YOU HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL IN TWO WEEKS OR - OH, WE'D LOVE TO. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
           OH, WE, WE'D ABSOLUTELY LOVE TO, BUT, UM, I, I, THIS IS A UNIFIED APPROACH. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF, AND IF - AND KIND OF OUR OPTIONS ARE WE EITHER APPROVE OR DENY YOUR ZONING APPLICATION. 
          UM, IF WE APPROVE IT, I HAVE A FEELING THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS ON IT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE AD HOC BE DOING FROM THE DIAS. 
          YEP. 
          AND IT MAY MAKE MORE SENSE FOR YOU GUYS TO MEET WITH STAFF AND SEE IF Y'ALL CAN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THAT WORKS WITHOUT US THOSE ITEMS ARE. 
          I WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO WORK FURTHER WITH CITY STAFF. 
          UM, I, YEAH. 
          I - OKAY. 
          WE ARE DELIVERED. 
          I GUESS THAT'S THE MAIN MESSAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SOME OF THOSE PLANS ARE FURTHER OUT. 
          DOES THIS STAFF SEE ANY BENEFIT TO SITTING DOWN AND TALKING ABOUT HAVING SOMETHING MORE THAN CHCA ZONING, CHCO ZONING THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO WHAT THEY WANNA DO, BUT PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON THEIR LIKE CONDITIONAL USES OR CONDITIONAL PERMITS FOR THOSE ITEMS? DO YOU SEE A BENEFIT TO THAT? I DON'T THINK STAFF WILL BE CHANGING ITS RECOMMENDATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA COME BACK HERE AGAIN IN A MONTH AND HAVE THE EXACT SAME DISCUSSION - YEAH, IF THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. 
          I DON'T WANNA WASTE SOMEBODY. 
          IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER WITH THEIR HAND UP TWO COMMISSIONERS WITH THEIR HAND UP. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. 
          UM, WHAT WAS DESCRIBED BY THE APPLICANT IS CHANGING MARKET, BUT PLANNING AND ZONING IS LONG TERM, 
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NOT REASONABLY CHANGED WITH RAPIDLY CHANGING MARKETS. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A PLANNING EFFORT GOING ON. 
          UM, MR. TOMKO DIDN'T REALLY FOCUS OR MAYBE DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE RESOLUTION THAT CAME FROM THE COUNCIL THAT DIRECTS THAT PLANNING EFFORT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ADDING MORE INDUSTRIAL AT ALL. 
          AND I THINK THERE'S GENERAL, UM, SUPPORT FOR NOT ADDING ANY MORE INDUSTRIAL USES INTO EAST AUSTIN. 
          UM, THE, THE, THEY'RE SAYING ENCOURAGE THE INTRODUCTION OF DENSER MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TYPES SUCH AS TOWN HOMES, HAVE A MIX OF USES TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, INTEGRATE HOUSING ABOVE COMMERCIAL TO CREATE TRANSITIONS INTO SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          NOTHING ABOUT THE RESOLUTION WOULD MAKE ME THINK THAT THE PLAN THAT'S BEING ENCOURAGED BY THE COUNCIL WOULD SUPPORT THE ZONING CHANGE. 
          IN FACT, THE STAFF IS TELLING US THIS WILL BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO THE PLANNING ACTIVITY. 
          SO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT EVEN THE COMPROMISE THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          OKAY. 
          UNDERSTAND. 
          AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          THE PROBLEM IS THEY BUILT FOUR INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSES OUT THERE ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM - I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THAT'S SPEC - THAT WAS THEIR SPECULATIVE - UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, BUILDING AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING APPLICANTS WHOLE. 
          AGREE. 
          I DON'T AGREE. 
          BUT MY ONLY POINT IS, ARE THERE SOME INDUSTRIAL USES THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT EVERYBODY COULD AGREE TO? BUT LET ME GET TO, UH, COMMISSIONER CHEPI. 
          A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, I'M, I'M CURIOUS THE, UH, GENERAL WAREHOUSING, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE COMPANIES THAT YOU'VE SEEN HAVE INTEREST THERE, UH, BECAUSE GENERAL WAREHOUSING IS MORE OF AN OUTDOOR, UH, WAREHOUSING, WHICH I DON'T THINK GENERALLY FITS WITH ANY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL, UH, USES IN GENERAL. 
          BUT I'M, I'M CURIOUS THE APPLICANTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN, BECAUSE IT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNIVERSAL LAW THAT, UH, THEY'RE NOT COMPATIBLE. 
          A- ABSOLUTELY. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE RYAN UP, OUR VICE PRESIDENT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT, WHO WANTS TO COME SIT BESIDE ME. 
          HE CAN SPEAK TO THE TENANTS IN THE MARKET, UM, BETTER THAN I CAN. 
          C- COULD YOU MAYBE RESTATE YOUR QUESTION SPECIFIC TO THE, THE GENERAL WAREHOUSING COMPONENT? YEAH. 
          I, I GUESS THE CONCERN IS ANY TYPE OF OUTDOOR WAREHOUSING, OUTDOOR STORAGE, UM, I, I DON'T THINK IS GENERALLY FITTING WITH ANY TYPE OF REMOTELY RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT, UH, ESPECIALLY IN EAST AUSTIN. 
          SO I, I'M WONDERING THE TYPES OF TENANTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN HAVE INTEREST IN, UH, GENERAL WAREHOUSING IN PARTICULAR, UH, BECAUSE IT, YES, I, I'M SURE, UH, THERE ARE SOME PARTICULAR, UH, TENANTS THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPLICABLE. 
          SURE. 
          I THINK, UH, THE MAJORITY OF THEM WOULD BE LOOKING TO PRIMARILY PARK, UH, YOU KNOW, EITHER JUST VE- VEHICLES OR, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE OTHER, UH... 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK THROUGH SOME EXAMPLES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE MANUFACTURING USERS HAVE ITEMS WHERE THEY'RE BASICALLY STAGING AND BRINGING THEM INTO THE BUILDING AND, AND TAKING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FROM SMALL PIECES TO ASSEMBLE IT INTO A LARGER COMPONENT OR VICE VERSA. 
          UM, LET ME THINK THROUGH JUST FROM A TENANCY STANDPOINT. 
          JUST LOOKING THROUGH A COUPLE OF THESE, I, I WOULD SAY THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE MAJ- MAJORITY OF THESE TENANTS WOULD BE LOOKING TO, LIKE, UH, BA- BASE POWER, FOR EXAMPLE, OR AN AMERICRANE. 
          THEY WOULD HAVE A SMALL OUTDOOR STORAGE COMPONENT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF THEIR BUSINESS. 
          UM, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, STORING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OVERSIZED TEMPORARILY, AGAIN, WHILE THEY'RE BREAKING IT DOWN OR ASSEMBLING IT AND THEN MOVING IT OFFSITE, NOT NECESSARILY THE LONG-TERM STORAGE OF SOMETHING. 
          OUR SITE IS NOT - OH, I, I'M LOOKING AT THE LIST, UH, THAT YOU GAVE IN THE PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'M SEEING THREE-WAY LOGISTICS, TRAN, UH, TRANSPORTATION FOR GENERAL WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION. 
          YEP. 
          UH, CERONIC TECHNOLOGIES, AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE, AMERICRANE LLC. 
          UH, I, I'M, I'M CURIOUS WHAT, UH, THOSE IN PARTICULAR, UH, WOULD HAVE BEEN. 
          UH, JU- JUST SO I CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE SURROUNDING, UH, CONTEXT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO AMERICRANE IS A, A, A CRATING AND RIGGING COMPANY. 
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THEY STORE, IT'S BASICALLY JUST A, A, A LOGISTICS PROVIDER FOR DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES AND, UM, THEY'RE, UH, LIKE, THEY WOULD PARTNER WITH, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE A DATA CENTER ADJACENT USER, SO THEY'RE CERTAINLY NOT A, A DATA CENTER GROUP, BUT THEY WOULD STORE COMPONENTS THAT WOULD BE GOING TO OTHER PARTS, YOU KNOW, OTHER CONSTRUCTION SITES WITHIN THE BUILDING OR OUTSIDE. 
          UM, THREE-WAY LOGISTICS WOULDN'T HAVE ANY SORT OF OUTDOOR STORAGE COMPONENT OTHER THAN HAVING, LIKE, A, A TR, A TRUCK AND A TRAILER THAT WOULD BE PARKED THERE, UM, WHICH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WOULD BE APPROVED UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF JUST, UH, THE, UH, YOU WANT ME OUT HERE? YEAH, UNDER THE CHCO ZONING. 
          UM, AND THEN CERONIC WOULDN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR STORAGE COMPONENT AT ALL. 
          THAT WOULD JUST BE EFFECTIVELY GENERAL WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THE SPACE. 
          SO I BELIEVE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY COMPLY, POTENTIALLY COMPLY UNDER THE CHCO ZONING. 
          BUT THERE'S ENOUGH AMBIGUITY WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO COME AND ASK, GIVEN A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM TENANTS TO BEGIN WITH. 
          YEAH, AND THIS IS ALREADY BUILT OUT, SO I WOULDN'T EXPECT, UH, HUGE POTENTIAL MODIFICATIONS TO, UH, TO THE CURRENT SITE. 
          UH, THAT BEING SAID, I, I DO THINK, UH, SOME OF THESE ADJACENT USES, I, I, I COULD SEE BEING MORE NOXIOUS, MORE CONCERNING IN MY OPINION. 
          SO, UM, I MEAN, TO ME, I, I THINK IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE MORE GOING FOR, AT LEAST THIS, THIS IS, UH, WHAT I'M MORE, MORE HEARING IS, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CLARITY AND THEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE, THE OTHER TENANTS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED THERE ARE THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING, UH, USE, YOU'RE NOT PARTICULARLY LOOKING FOR GENERAL WAREHOUSING, UH, USE OTHER THAN THE CLARITY THAT WOULD COME FROM THAT. 
          IS THAT ROUGHLY RIGHT? I THINK, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND I GUESS, LIKE, THE OTHER FACET OF THIS BEING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WITH THE AMBIGUITY SIDE OF THINGS, LIKE, YOU COULD HAVE A TENANT THAT HAS A VERY SMALL COMPONENT OF, LIKE, THEY COULD NEED A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF STORAGE OUTSIDE FOR, YOU KNOW, A, A SMALL PORTION OF THEIR OVERALL BUSINESS THAT'S SCREENED, THAT'S AWAY FROM PUBLIC VIEW WITH THE WAY THAT THESE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED. 
          UM, BUT BECAUSE OF HOW THE ZONING SITS TODAY, IT ADDS THAT AMBIGUITY AND R- R - ENDS UP GENERATING AN ISSUE WITH, WITH THE LEASING SIDE OF THINGS, BECAUSE THESE TENANTS ARE TRYING TO MAKE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR DECISIONS, AND AT THIS POINT, THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM A LOT MORE QUICKLY THAN MAYBE THEY DID IN THE PAST. 
          THIS IS JONATHAN WITH AUSTIN PLANNING. 
          I JUST WANNA INTERJECT THAT STAFF HAS CONVENED A LITTLE BIT AND IS OPEN TO A POSTPONEMENT, UM, ON THIS ITEM. 
          I WILL SAY ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT'S REALLY STANDING OUT TO ME AS LOOKING AT THESE USE D - UH, DEFINITIONS IS SOME OF THIS CLARITY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SEEK THAT'S MAKING THIS SO CHALLENGING IS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A CODE THAT'S 40 YEARS OLD. 
          AND WHEN YOU HAVE CUSTOM MEM - MANUFACTURING DESCRIBING A, A KILN AND A FIVE HORSEPOWER ENGINE - YES. 
          I MEAN, HOW DO YOU SQUARE ANY OF THESE USES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE WORLD TODAY THAT ALL THESE CITIES ARE HAVING TO GRAPPLE WITH, WITH DEFINITIONS LIKE THAT? I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PREDICTABILITY ON THIS CASE ALONE. 
          THAT PREDICTS, THAT AFFECTS PREDICTABILITY ON ALL OF OUR CASES. 
          YEAH. 
          I - MAKES IT VERY HARD FOR US AS STAFF TO WORK WITH A CODE THAT'S THIS OUTDATED. 
          I, I APPRECIATE COMPLETELY. 
          I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DOING THIS LONGER THAN 40 YEARS, SO I STARTED THIS BEFORE AUSTIN HAD A CODE. 
           AND, AND SO I HOPE THAT WILL BE ELEVATED AND - I'VE LIVED THROUGH EVERYTHING, BUT - AND THAT WE WILL GET SOME, UH, SOME HELP IN UPDATING THIS. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          IS THERE A WAY THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS -  WE CAN REWRITE THE CODE?  AND TALK AND COME UP WITH SOME CLARITY AND REDO THE WHOLE CODE IN TWO WEEKS. 
           UM, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T WANNA SEE SOMETHING THAT'S... 
          I DON'T WANNA PROVE SOMETHING THAT GOES INTO EAST AUSTIN THAT CAN BE NOXIOUS AND NOT WHAT WE WANNA SEE PUT INTO EAST AUSTIN. 
          I DON'T THINK THE APPLICANT WANTS THAT EITHER. 
          WE DO NOT. 
          BUT THEY CAN'T MARKET WHAT THEY'VE GOT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT SOME CLARITY AND SOME ABILITY TO SEE SOME THINGS. 
          BUT IS THERE A WAY TO GET IN BETWEEN? MAYBE. 
          UM, BUT IF WE CAN HAVE A POSTPONEMENT, WE'RE NOT GONNA MEET AGAIN UNTIL NOVEMBER- NOVEMBER 17TH. 
          17TH. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A MONTH. 
          UM - MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION - SURE. 
          UH, OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE WE LIKELY, UH, POSTPONE THIS ITEM? GO FOR IT. 
          SO, SO MY QU - MY QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT IS, WOULD YOU GUYS BE IN FAVOR OF A ZONING CHANGE TO INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT RESTRICTS THE USES TO THE FOUR USES YOU WANT, BUT ALL FOUR USES WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, MEANING YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BODY, AND I THINK COUNCIL, TO GET PERMISSION SPECIFICALLY FOR ANY ONE OF THOSE FOUR USES. 
          I, I THINK THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D WANNA WORK MORE CLOSELY WITH CITY STAFF TO DEFINE THE USES. 
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I MEAN, GENERAL WAREHOUSING, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A GRAIN SILO, WHICH I THINK IS LISTED. 
          AND CUSTOM MANUFACTURING SOUNDS LIKE AN ETSY SHOP, UH, WHICH OUR BUILDING'S A LITTLE TOO LARGE TO SUPPORT, UH, AN ETSY SHOP. 
          UH, I, I, I THINK WE COULD COME TO THAT ON THE TWO USES THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE IF WE WERE PUSHED, YOU KNOW, TO THE SIDE THIS EVENING. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF FURTHER IF, IF YOU GUYS COULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. 
          UM, AND I, AND I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO MOVE THIS, THIS FORWARD, ASSUMING THAT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER WITH, YOU KNOW, A WIN-WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY. 
          I, I, I WOULD HATE, I, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE AGAIN, THERE ARE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD TENANTS THAT OFFER EXTREMELY WELL-PAID ENGINEERING, SKILLED LABOR, MANUFACTURING JOBS THAT WE ARE NOT CAPTURING RIGHT NOW THAT I THINK WOULD DO THE NORTHEAST PLANNING AREA DISTRICT VERY, VERY WELL. 
          THE, AS YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY SEEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN HERE, THE LOGISTICS PROVIDERS, WH- WHILE THEY WILL FILL A BUILDING AND, AND, AND, AND STAFF SOME JOBS, THOSE JOBS ARE NOT THE, THE BEST JOBS. 
          THE, THE, THE JOBS THAT COME WITH THE USES THAT WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE ARE THE SKILLED LABOR, THE ENGINEERING, THE, THE, THE TRADESPEOPLE, THE HIGHER PAYING, HIGHER WAGE, MORE STABLE JOBS. 
          AND SO I, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THIS A WIN-WIN. 
          WE CAN HOPEFULLY FILL OUR BUILDINGS WITH SOME REALLY QUALITY TENANTS, AND THEN IN TURN, I, I THINK IT'LL EMPLOY A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH SOME STABLE JOBS THAT, THAT'LL COME WITH SOME LONG LEASE ROLES, UM, THAT WE DON'T SEE FROM, FROM THIRD-PARTY LOGISTICS USERS. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I CERTAINLY DON'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE BODY, BUT I THINK IF Y'ALL WENT BACK, TALKED TO STAFF, SAID, "HEY, HERE ARE OUR USES, LET'S GO THROUGH STAFF INITIONS," WE CAN DEFINITIVELY WEED OUT CERTAIN THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE CONCERNS. 
          I THINK IF Y'ALL CAN DO THAT, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY WELL RECEIVED BY THE BODY. 
          UH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF MY ANTICIPATION. 
          SO I- I- IF Y'ALL CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN, IT'LL BE... 
          I THINK IT'LL INCREASE YOUR ODDS OF KIND OF GETTING A, A VOTE OF APPROVAL THAT YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR. 
          I, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPEN DISCUSSION. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF. 
          UM, IN THE APPLIED MATERIALS PUD, WHAT ARE THE... 
          IS, IS GENERAL WAREHOUSING OR, YOU KNOW, A WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION LAND USE WITH SOME OUTDOOR OPERATIONS PERMITTED IN THAT PUD? I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT SITE SPECIFICALLY TO SEE WHAT IT'S ZONED AND, AND SEE WHAT THEY, THEY'RE DOING SPECIFICALLY. 
          IT'S NOT THE ONE I KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT, UH - THAT'S NOT ONE OF THE USES THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONING. 
          SO, SO THE TWO THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN CH ARE CUSTOM MANUFACTURING AND LIMITED WAREHOUSING, WHICH IS INDOOR WAREHOUSING. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND FOR - TWO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THAT THEY WOULD BE GRANTED TODAY IF YOU WERE TO GRANT, UH, THE INDUSTRIAL PARK DISTRICT WITHOUT A CO ARE LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND GENERAL WAREHOUSING. 
          GENERAL WAREHOUSING IS OUT, ANYTHING KIND OF OUTDOORSY IN TERMS OF WAREHOUSING AND STORING STUFF OUTSIDE. 
          AND LIGHT MANUFACTURING IS USE OF THE SITE FOR MANUFACTURE PREDOMINANTLY FROM PREVIOUSLY PREPARED MATERIALS OF FINISHED PRODUCTS OR PARTS, INCLUDING PROCESSING, FABRICATION, ASSEMBLY, TREATMENT, AND PACKAGING OF PRODUCTS AND AN INCIDENTAL STORAGE AND SALES, UH, OF DI - AND DISTRIBUTION OF THE PRODUCTS. 
          THIS IN - EXCLUDES BASIC INDUSTRIAL PROCESSING. 
          SO THAT IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE, VERY BROAD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHERE A LOT OF THEIR POTENTIAL TENANTS WOULD BE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE LOOKING TO STORE THINGS OUTSIDE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE A LEED CERTIFIED SILVER BUILDING OF THAT MASSIVE SIZE. 
          YEAH, AND THAT'S KIND OF EXACTLY MY POINT IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YES, THERE ARE SOME USES THAT ARE BEING REMOVED AS PART OF THE, THE MOVING AWAY FROM THE CH, BUT THE FACT IS THAT YOU'VE GOT 700,000 SQUARE FEET OF, YOU KNOW, SPACE WITH LOADING DOCKS AND, YOU KNOW, VERY LIMITED OFFICE SPACE. 
          NONE OF THOSE USES, NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTED, UM, BUILDINGS ARE GONNA BE USED FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE, UM, LIKE HOTELS OR, YOU KNOW, AUTOMOTIVE WASHING OR LIKE ANY OF THE OTHER USES THAT ARE PERMITTED IN THE CH ZONING CATEGORY. 
          UM, AND SO IT REALLY BOILS DOWN TO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHT - MANUFACTURING. 
          LIGHT MANUFACTURING AND LIGHT, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION. 
          AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE GENERAL AND, UM, I GUESS LIMITED IS, OR, UM, IS THAT THERE'S SOME OUTDOOR COMPONENT TO IT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AROUND THE SITE, INCLUDING THE AREAS THAT ARE LOCATED IN THE ETJ 
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AND PERHAPS PART OF A PUD, UM, AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE AMAZON WAREHOUSE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST SOUTH OF THIS AND YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLIED MATERIALS JUST NORTHEAST OF THIS, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S COMPARABLE USES. 
          UM, SO I, YEAH, I, I'M INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT COME, WHAT Y'ALL COME BACK WITH IN A COUPLE WEEKS IF WE DECIDE TO - I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GRANT WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY AND JUST ADD LIGHT MANUFACTURING AS WAS PROPOSED EARLIER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT PUTS US IN THIS CHALLENGE IS THAT YOU'RE OPENING THE DOOR TO THESE OTHER USES UNLESS YOU RESTRICT THEM IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GRANT THE LIGHT MANUFACTURING. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, UH, IF IT WERE... 
          I'LL GET YOU IN JUST A SECOND GREEN - MS. GREENBERG. 
          IF IT WERE UP TO ME TODAY, I, I THINK WE, WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BUT IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GET YOU UP ZONED, BUT RESTRICTED BACK TO WHERE SOME USES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE, WE WOULD ALL AGREE WITH ARE APPROPRIATE FOR EAST AUSTIN ON THIS SITE. 
          I THINK MAYBE WE CAN GET TO, MAYBE WE CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH A TRY. 
          COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. 
          OOP, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          YOU'RE MUTED. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM - THERE WE GO. 
          SO NOW I'M UNMUTED. 
          YES. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT HAS DESCRIBED CUSTOM MANUFACTURING AS AN ETSY SHOP, WHICH I THINK OF AS LIKE ARTS AND CRAFTS, OR SOME PEOPLE DO, UM, 3D PRINTING AND SELL THINGS ON ETSY. 
          COULD WE GET A EXPLANATION FROM STAFF ABOUT CUSTOM MANUFACTURING, BECAUSE I'M SURE IT'S MORE THAN JUST WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR AN ETSY SHOP. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I THINK WHERE THAT MAY HAVE COME FROM IS THE DESCRIPTION OF CUSTOM MANUFACTURING AND THE CODE IS A LITTLE OUTDATED. 
          YES. 
          I, I WILL, I WILL READ IT IF THAT'S HELPFUL. 
          UM, USE OF A SITE, UH, OF, UH, FOR ONSITE PRODUCTION OF GOODS BY THE USE OF HAND TOOLS, DOMESTIC MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT NOT EXCEEDING FIVE HORSEPOWER, OR A SINGLE KILN NOT EXCEEDING 12 KILOWATTS, AND THE INCIDENTAL SALE OF THOSE GOODS. 
          THIS INCLUDES CANDLE MAKING SHOPS AND CUSTOM JEWELRY MANUFACTURING. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE AN ETSY SHOP. 
           AND SO, YEAH, UH - I KNOW SOME JEWELERS THAT WOULD NOT DESCRIBE THEMSELVES AS CUSTOM. 
          I MEAN, AS ETSY. 
          I THINK THE SCALE IS A LITTLE BIT VAGUE IN THAT LANGUAGE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE OUTDATEDNESS OF THE CODE. 
          I ABSOLUTELY DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYBODY BY THAT. 
          I WAS JUST, CUSTOM MANUFACTURING SEEMS VERY BROAD AND LIMITLESS, YET THE CURRENT CODE REALLY SIMPLIFIES IT ALMOST TO EXAMPLES OF CANDLE MAKING, WHICH SEEMS RELATIVELY BENIGN. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, THAT, THAT WAS MY POINT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THAT WAS MISTAKEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'VE BEEN JOINED ON THE DICE BY A STAFF PERSON WHO I SEEM WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          HI, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UH, ERIC THOMAS WITH AUSTIN PLANNING. 
          WE JUST WANTED TO SORT OF, UM, CLOSE OUR STAFF REMARKS WITH A, A COMMITMENT THAT IF IT'S POSTPONED THIS EVENING, WE WILL WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS TO TRY TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND AND COME UP WITH A REASONABLE SOLUTION. 
          WE CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT WE WILL COME TO AN AGREEMENT, UM, BUT GIVEN THAT WE JUST RECEIVED THE AMENDED REQUEST LAST THURSDAY, WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THAT MUCH TIME TO CONSIDER IT AND MEET WITH THE APPLICANTS TO GO OVER ALL THE DETAILS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING. 
          UM, SO I THINK JUST WITH SOME MORE TIME, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S A REASONABLE CHANCE THAT WE COULD COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF, UM, ALTERNATIVE, UM, AMENDED REQUEST OR, OR SOMETHING TO BRING BACK IN A MONTH. 
          NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER 17TH WOULD BE APPROPRIATE? YES. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OR DO I HEAR A MOTION? I'LL, I'LL, I'LL MOVE TO, TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE 17TH OF NOVEMBER, MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I HEAR A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN... 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED? IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          WE WILL SEE YOU ON THE 17TH AND GOOD LUCK. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. 
          YOU BET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON. 
          NEXT CO - CASE ITEM THREE, REZONING C142026-0046, HOWARD PLAZA AT 3127 EAST HOWARD LANE. 
          UH, IT IS A REQUEST FROM WLO TO GR. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS GR WITH CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. 
          SHERRY SERWAITIS WITH THE AUSTIN PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANTED TO ASK IF YOU COULD CLARIFY WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THE PREVIOUS MOTION. 
          OBVIOUSLY... 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PUZYKI. 
          SO, UM, THIS IS ITEM NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS KC1420260046 HOWARD PLAZA. 
          AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, ME TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION TONIGHT SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY HAD A PRESENTATION ON THIS ON AUGUST THE 4TH, BUT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY GO AGAIN, OVER IT AGAIN REALLY QUICKLY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. 
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JUST WANTED SOME DIRECTION HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED. 
          OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT AND THE INTERESTED PARTIES. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANNA SEE A PRESENTATION? RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU WANT A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF. 
          I'M SEEING NONE. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS. 
          WE HAVE THE APPLICANT, PETER FAHM. 
          PETER, YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          I WANT TO SAY THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HEARING, BUT THE SECOND TIME I DO A RESORT. 
          AND ALL I DID MYSELF, SO IN THIS ONE. 
          THE FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY TO EVERYONE, THE CITY, AND SIT DOWN HERE, LISTEN A LONG TIME, LONG TIME SO FAR. 
          SO I WANT EVERYONE TO GET TIRED READY. 
          SO I WANT SOCCER. 
          MY NAME IS PETER PHAM AND I AM A GRO CONTRACTOR AND I AM THE OWNER. 
          SO, UM, THE REASON I'M ASKING FOR REZONE BECAUSE IT, WHEN I BOUGHT THE LAND, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS SO FAR, UNDER OUR CITY LIMIT, THE TRAFFIC COUNTY. 
          AND WHEN A CITY ABOUT COUPLE YEAR AGO IN, IN MY LOT TO THE CITY CONTROL IT. 
          SO AT THAT TIME, AND MY AGENT, SOMETIME HE DO, HE DO A WLO OR JOINING. 
          SO CITY ALLOW ME TO DO THE FIRST TIME YOU CAN PICK THE JOIN IF YOU WANT TO. 
          BUT AT THAT TIME, I DON'T PAY ATTENTION. 
          BUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN REJOIN? WHAT, WHAT IS IT? IT DOES STUDY LEARNING. 
          SO ANYWAY, AFTER I HAVE ANOTHER SUPERDIVISION AND I HAVE A LOT A LOT ONE, LOT TWO, A LOT TWO, I ALREADY HAVE MEET YOU AND UNDER REVIEW THE CITY RIGHT NOW. 
          I BELIEVE IS MAYBE ONE MORE MONTH WE FINAL APPROVAL. 
          AND WHEN I LOOK BACK TO THE JOIN I HAVE, WLO, WILL BE LINE MANUFACTURING AND WAREHOUSE SOMETHING. 
          AND I, I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR THAT LOCATION TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S MY LINE MANUFACTURING IN THE NIGHTTIME. 
          IF THEY WORK TOO SHIP, THE COMPANY THEY DO IT, THEY MAKE IT NOISY. 
          AND I AM THE OWNER FOR MANUFACTURING ABOUT 35 YEAR IN AUSTIN. 
          THEY CALL IT MANUFACTURING, PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURING. 
          AND I DO ALL COMPONENT FOR UPLINE MATERIAL AND OIL FUEL. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          ALSO IN THE OUTSIDE OF PARKING LOT, IF THEY OVERLOAD, THEY CAN PUT OUTSIDE THE NIGHTTIME AND DAYTIME AND TRAFFIC AND THAT I'M THINKING I SHOULD BE REJOINING IT FOR THE 13 FOR ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT AREA. 
          THE SECOND THING IS NOT WORRY ABOUT EVERYTHING COMPLAIN LATER ON. 
          ALSO, WHEN I BOUGHT THAT LOT, IT ONLY I AM THE ONE RIGHT THERE AROUND FIVE MILES, SIX MILE, NOBODY BUILD YET. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I WANT SUBMIT REZONE FROM WRO TO GR. 
          SO I'M ASKING YOUR GUY REVIEW AND APPROVE FOR ME SO I CAN MOVE FORWARD. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NOW WE'RE SWITCHING OVER TO THOSE IN OPPOSITION. 
          OUR PRIMARY SPEAKER IS NICHOLAS GRAHAM. 
          NICHOLAS, YOU HAVE SIX MINUTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          MY NAME IS NICK GRAHAM AND I LIVE ON HALSTADT DRIVE. 
          MY REAR PROPERTY LINE ADJOINS THE TRACK THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          AS MANY OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, I SPOKE LAST MONTH AT THE HEARING, SO TONIGHT I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT A LITTLE BRIEF. 
          I'LL GO OVER THE SITE, A SHORT HISTORY OF SOME ZONING REQUESTS IN THE AREA, UH, WHICH APPEAR IN THE STAFF REPORT, AND THEN THREE POSSIBLE COURSES OF ACTION THAT I'LL REQUEST FROM THE COMMISSION. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE TRACK THAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. 
          UH, IT'S 8.4 ACRES. 
          IT'S LONG AND NARROW AND ITS ENTIRE EASTERN EDGE, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO, IS SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, UH, WHICH INCLUDES MY HOME. 
          BUILDING FOUR, WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED 
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IN THE PHOTO THERE, IS THE CLOSEST ONE TO THE HOMES ON HALSTADT DRIVE. 
          IT'S ABOUT 155 FEET FROM THE FENCE LINE AND IT WAS APPROVED AS A DAYCARE CENTER AS THE LOW INTENSITY BUFFER TO THOSE HOMES TO THE EAST IS PART OF THE LATEST APPROVED SITE PLAN. 
          THE BOTTOM PHOTO THERE IS ACTUALLY A VIEW FROM MY HOUSE LOOKING AT BUILDING FOUR. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE JUST HOW CLOSE IT IS TO THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. 
          SO TODAY IT'S ZONED WHERE HOUSE LIGHT OFFICE AND USES SUCH AS INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, RESTAURANT GENERAL, OR CLUB AND LODGE ARE NOT ALLOWED. 
          SO HERE'S, UH, JUST A QUICK HISTORY OF SOME ZONING REQUESTS AROUND THIS TRACK. 
          ALL OF THESE, AGAIN, ARE INCLUDED IN STAFF'S REPORT. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2008, CANTARA ACROSS HOWARD LANE ASKED FOR SINGLE, SINGLE FAMILY PLUS A GR TRACT, BUT THE CITY GRANTED SINGLE FAMILY ONLY. 
          2015, CANTARA MIXED USE ASKED FOR LRMU AND IT GOT LRMU WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          IN 2017, UH, THE TRACK THAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONING WAS REQUESTED AND INSTEAD THIS COMMISSION IN THE CITY SET THE LIMIT AT WAREHOUSE LIGHT OFFICE. 
          AND THEN IN 2022, THE SAME OWNER, MR. PHAM, ASKED FOR GRMU ON THE LOT DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE LARGER, UH, HOWARD PLAZA DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND STAFF RECOMMENDED LRMU AND WROTE THAT LRMU IS THE MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING DE- DESIGNATION ADJACENT TO EXISTING LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          SO THIS COMMISSION AGREED 7-0 AND THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT 11-0. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, EVERY REQUEST HERE HAS COME BACK LOWER THAN ASKED OR WITH, UH, CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          SO THE THREE REQUESTS THAT I HAVE FOR, UH, STAFF TONIGHT, UM, SIMILAR TO THE REQUEST THAT I MADE LAST MONTH WOULD BE THE SIMPLEST KEEP IT AS WAREHOUSE LIGHT OFFICE, WHICH WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE DECISIONS THAT THIS COMMISSION AND STAFF HAVE RECOMMENDED OVER THE YEARS. 
          UH, THE SECOND WOULD BE IF YOU DO APPROVE THE GR, UM, WITH STAFF'S CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, WHICH THEY'RE RECOMMENDING 15 PROHIBITED USE CASES, I WOULD ALSO REQUEST THAT STAFF ADD, OR, OR THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION ADD THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, PROHIBITED USES TO THAT CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          AND THOSE REQUESTS ARE INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, THEATER GENERAL, I'M SORRY, THEATER AND RESTAURANT GENERAL. 
          AND THE REASON IS THEY HAVE THE SAME ASSEMBLY AND ALCOHOL PROFILE. 
          SO ALCOHOL, LARGE CROWDS COMING AND GOING LATE AT NIGHT, NOISE IN THE PARKING LOT, NOISE COMING FROM BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE SAME LOGIC THAT STAFF USED IN APPLYING, UH, THE PROHIBITION TO USES SUCH AS CLUB AND LODGE IN THEIR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          UH, MY KIND OF 2B ASK AS I WOULD CALL IT WOULD BE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PROHIBIT THOSE USES OUTRIGHT HERE TONIGHT, TO AT LEAST MAKE THOSE THREE USES CONDITIONAL AS PART OF THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY SO THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO ACTUALLY COME BACK TO YOU TO THIS COMMISSION AND SPECIFY IF THEY WANNA PUT, YOU KNOW, INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT OR A THEATER OR A RESTAURANT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC SITE PLAN. 
          AND AS PART OF THAT SITE PLAN, UH, THIS COMMISSION AND STAFF HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECOMMEND, UH, ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS IN TERMS OF HOURS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UH, AND THEN AGAIN, IF STAFF FEELS, UH, OR THE COMMISSION FEELS THEY'RE NOT READY TO APPLY ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS, UH, INDICATED ABOVE TO POSTPONE SO THAT, UH, WE COULD POTENTIALLY WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH STAFF, UH, IN THE MEANTIME. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WITH, UH, OPTIONS 2A AND 2B, IF YOU DO APPROVE GRCO, I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU KEEP TODAY'S WAREHOUSE LIGHT OFFICE BUILDING HEIGHT, SETBACK, AND IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITS. 
          UM, THOSE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED, SO I IMAGINE THE APPLICANT WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          IT WOULD JUST PROHIBIT ANY FUTURE OWNERS FROM, UH, SHOWING UP AND PUTTING, YOU KNOW, A 60-FOOT BUILDING 15 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, WHICH GR WOULD PERMIT. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK HERE AGAIN AND FOR CONSIDERING MY PERSPECTIVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW WE HAVE THE APPLICANT REBUTTAL. 
          HELLO. 
          WITH MY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND BUILDING FOR WITHIN 25 YEAR IN AUSTIN, AND WITH THE WAY TO PROVIDE THE BUILDING, AND WHEN I DECIDE TO BUILD THAT BUILDING, I ALREADY THINKING ABOUT MOVE FAR AWAY FROM ANYTHING, IF ANYTHING, 
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WHAT HAPPENED. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY AND BY BUILDING NUMBER FOUR, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT BUILDING, ABOUT 160 FEET LONG, AND FOR THE SETBACK, IT, I SET BACK 30 FEET RIGHT TO THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT'S AS IS RIGHT NOW. 
          FOR THE SAFETY, I BELIEVE WILL BE SAFETY. 
          FOR THE ROOF, FOR THE BUILDING, WE ARE NOT HIGH MORE THAN 18 FEET HIGH. 
          ALSO, IT, WHEN WE BUILD THAT CONSTRUCTION BUILD ON THE DRAW APPROVAL BY THE CITY DEVELOPED, THAT BUILDING WILL BE A VERY HEAVY DUTY WALL. 
          IT WILL BE JUST THREE TO ONE INCHES LAYER BY THE STUCCO. 
          AND INSIDE WE HAVE SPRAY FORM WITH NINE INCHES AND HALF ON THE CEILING AND FOUR INCHES IN THE WALL BESIDE US ONE WITH THE DOUBLE DRY WALL FOR THE FIRE BREAK. 
          AND THE WINDOW WILL BE, IS AROUND DOUBLE PLUS WITH ONE INCHES. 
          I BELIEVE WE TESTING WITH THE SHOWER, WE ARE PAST THAT'S THE WAY CITY REQUIREMENT. 
          FOR THE ALCOHOL, FOR SURE, EVEN IN THE, THE ALCOHOL WILL BE ALLOWED INSIDE, NOT OUTSIDE THE PARKING LOT FOR SEWER, WITH THE WEATHER OVER IT. 
          THAT HERE, IT HOT. 
          NOBODY DRINK OUTSIDE. 
          AND USUALLY INSIDE FOR THE OUT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE BUILDING FOUR, IF INTEND TO MOVE IN TO THE, TO IN THE ENTIRE, THERE WILL BE NOTHING. 
          I'M WORRIED ABOUT CONCERNS OUTSIDE FOR THE NOISY BECAUSE 130 FEET. 
          NOW, WE JUST TALK ABOUT BUILDING ONE, MEANING TWO, IN THREE, BE FAR AWAY FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE CARRY. 
          ABOUT 1,500 FEET, 1,100 FEET. 
          AND BETWEEN THAT ONE, THAT'S A LOT TOO. 
          THAT MAKE YOU. 
          AND I BELIEVE IT NOT TAKE TO CONCERN ABOUT THE NOISY IN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S, I BELIEVE IT, BECAUSE WHEN I BUILD, I ALREADY KNOW WHAT, HOW I'M BUILDING. 
          AND ALSO I PROTECT FAR AWAY FROM THERE AND THE TREE GROW UP FOR US FOR, FOR THE PROOF OF SOUTH TOO. 
          SO I BELIEVE WILL BE NOT HAPPEN LIKE THAT. 
          IF I NEED TO GET ENGINEERING TO PROTECT IT, SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT CONCLUDES SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, QUESTION, WELL, UH, DO WE WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. 
          WE WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC... 
          WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 
          YOU NEED TO TURN YOUR MIC BACK ON. 
          AND TAYLOR MAJOR, IF YOU'RE GONNA PARTICIPATE - QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WELL, WE, THE PREVIOUS CASE, DO WE NEED TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? OR DID WE NOT CLOSE IT? I'M HEARING FROM STAFF WE DIDN'T CLOSE IT, BUT WE'RE GONNA HEAR IT ON THE MICROPHONE HERE. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. 
          UH, WE DID NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE JUST POSTPONED THE CASE LAST TIME. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK YOUR NAME FOR ME? NO, I MEANT THE PREVIOUS CASE THAT WE JUST HEARD, ITEM TWO. 
          DID WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YEAH, WE DID. 
          YES. 
          WE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE PROBABLY NEED A MOTION TO REOPEN THAT ONE, BUT MY QUESTION ON THIS CASE IS, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT, WHAT IS THE, WHAT ARE YOU USING THE OUTDOOR PAVILION FOR OR WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE USING THE OUTDOOR PAVILION FOR? COME UP, COME ON UP TO THE. 
          WE WILL NOT DO OUTDOOR FOR INTIMATE OUTDOOR. 
          JUST FOR THE LANDSCAPING, FOR BEING ENJOYING THAT, BUT NOT MUSICAL, NOTHING TO DO OUTSIDE THE BUILDING. 
          JUST INSIDE ONLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THERE WILL BE NO OUTDOOR. 
          NO. 
          SO THE PAVILION IS FOR NOTHING EXCEPT LOOKS? Y - JUST LOOK FOR THE LOOK AND MAKE SURE IT FOR LANDSCAPING, THE MALL'S OUTSIDE FOR LANDSCAPING. 
          7200 SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR PAVILION JUST FOR WHAT? WE, WE HAVE OUTDOOR OPEN ABOUT IT. 
          LET ME SEE. 
          6,000 SQUARE FOOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S PRETTY GOOD TOO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE. 
          OKAY. 
          DO WE WANNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE? 
          [01:15:01]
DO I HEAR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. 
          SO MOVED. 
          DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECONDED. 
          MOVED AND SECONDED. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          AYE, IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          UM, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. 
          QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS FOR STAFF AND/OR THE APPLICANT? IS THE APPLICANT... 
          MR. STAFF, IS THE APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED SO FAR?  YES, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT. 
          SO WE GOT... 
          SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO JUST THREE OTHER ITEMS. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, IS THE APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE THREE ITEMS? MR. PAN, THEY'RE ASKING A QUESTION. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          NO WORRIES. 
          THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH MAKING, PROHIBITING INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, PROHIBITING RESTAURANT GENERAL, OR PROHIBITING, UM - MOVIE THEATER. 
          MO - THEATER. 
          THEATER. 
          UH, USES ON THE SITE, OR WOULD YOU BE IN AGREEMENT IF THEY MADE THEM CONDITIONAL USES WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A CONDITIONAL USE SITE PLAN? FOR SURE, NO DEAR. 
          FOR SURE, NO RESTAURANT. 
          NOT FOR SURE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT EVERYTHING GOING THERE. 
          ALSO, THE WAY WE BUILD RIGHT NOW, IT CANNOT MAKE THE RESTAURANT INSIDE. 
          SO NO RESTAURANT. 
          NO. 
          AND NO THEATER? NO. 
          WHAT ABOUT INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT? INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          WE, WE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, IF WE ARE DO THE WEDDING VENUE, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE WE DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE DON'T DO ANYTHING SPARK OR EVERYTHING IN THERE. 
          SO WE COULD DO PROHIBITING RESTAURANT GENERAL, PROHIBITING THEATER AND CONDITIONAL ON AN INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, AND THAT WOULD GET - SO I DON'T KNOW THE WORD IN- INTER - INDOOR, INTIMATE, THAT WHAT IS IT IN THERE, BUT WHEN I SIT DOWN WITH THE REZONE, THE FIRST TIME BEFORE I DO REJOIN, I ASKED, I AM, IF I DO PICKLEBALL OR I DO WEDDING VENUE, WHAT THEY BELONG TO, WHAT IS IT? AND THEY SAID, "OKAY, YOU NEED TO LOOK ON GR JOIN." SO I LOOK ON GR JOIN IN THERE. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE CALLED A WEDDING VE - UH, VENUE. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYTHING CALLED A PICKLEBALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S CLEAR THE INDOOR INDOMAN. 
          THEY SAID THAT INCLUDE IN THERE. 
          SO THAT MEAN THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          SO WHERE WOULD INDOOR VEN - INDOOR WEDDING FIT IN PICKLEBALL? THAT WOULD BE INDOOR, A WEDDING VENUE THAT WOULD BE INSIDE WOULD BE CONSIDERED INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          WE, HE MET WITH THE, OUR LAND USE DEVELOPMENT CENTER. 
          AND THEN ALSO IF YOU DID INDOOR SPORTS AND RECREATION, THAT'S WHERE PICKLEBALL FALLS NOW. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AS A NEWER USE. 
          IS INDOOR? SPORTS AND REC. 
          IS THAT ALLOWED IN - SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE GR USES AS THE FIRST DISTRICT THEY'RE PERMITTED IN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO. 
          AND THEY'RE NOT CO'D OUT YET? NO, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT YOUR, YOUR REQUEST. 
          YOU AGREE WITH THE CO, THE STAFF'S PUT ON, YOU AGREE WITH ADDING IN THEATER AND RESTAURANT GENERAL. 
          UM, YOU'RE NOT SURE ABOUT INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE YOU MAY NEED THAT SO WE COULD DO A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, A CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH SIMPLY MEANS IF YOU WANT TO DO AN INDOOR WEDDING VENUE, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK FOR US SPECIFICALLY ON THAT BUILDING AND SAY, "THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHAT I WANNA DO ON THAT." AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT. 
          YOU'D GO TO STAFF FIRST AND THEN COME TO THE COMMISSION SECOND. 
          SO, SO YOU MEAN THAT INDOOR, INDOOR INTENT IS, IS THE BIG WORD? RIGHT. 
          IT'S A VERY BIG WORD. 
          SO THE WAY YOU REQUIRE, I CAN PUT ON THE PAPERWORK IS I WILL NOT DO THE RESTAURANT, GENERAL RESTAURANT. 
          WHAT MEAN GENERAL RESTAURANT? MEAN THE BIG RESTAURANT OR WHAT YOU MEAN THAT? A RESTAURANT GENERAL USE IS A RESTAURANT THAT SERVES ALCOHOL. 
          OH. 
          NOW WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT'S LESS THAN 50% OF THE RECEIPTS THAT IS ALCOHOL SALES BECAUSE IF IT'S MORE THAN 50, 51%, THAT BECOMES A COCKTAIL LOUNGE. 
          BUT YES, IT JUST MEANS A RESTAURANT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE SALE, SALE OF ALCOHOL WITH - OH, I SEE. 
          SO YOU COULD DO A RESTAURANT, UH, BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS YOU CAN'T DO A RESTAURANT GENERAL, UM, AND YOU CAN'T DO THEATER, MOVIE THEATER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO DO INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN AND FILE A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, AND GO BACK BEFORE STAFF FOR THAT AND COME BACK BEFORE US AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHETHER YOU CAN DO A INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT OR NOT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT PROHIBITING IT, WE'RE JUST MAKING IT A CONDITION. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, YOU'RE FINE. 
          IF YOU DO WANT IT, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT MEANS IF WE PUT RIGHT, UH, IF WE, ON THE, ON THE PAYROLL REJOIN, I PUT, UH, IS THE IND- INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT MEAN THE WEDDING VENUE AND PICKLEBALL. 
          IF WE CAN DO BOTH LIKE THAT OR NO? YOU... 
          [01:20:02]
TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          PICKLEBALL YOU CAN DO INDOOR. 
          YOU CAN DO AN INDOOR PICKLEBALL, NO PROBLEM. 
          IF YOU WANNA DO AN INDOOR WEDDING VENUE, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE STAFF AND GIVE THEM A SITE PLAN SAYING, "THIS IS WHAT WE WANNA DO. 
          VISIT WITH THEM, MADE RECOMMENDATION." THEY'D MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO US AND WE'D HEAR THAT SPECIFIC CASE FOR A WEDDING VENUE HERE. 
          AND THE APPLI - AND THE PRO - NEIGHBORS WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GIVE THEIR OPINION ON WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO AS WELL. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SITE PLAN READY. 
          WE HAD A BUILDING BUILD READY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO WHAT I NEED TO DO, REDO THE SITE, UH, PROVIDE A SITE PLAN AGAIN AND PROVIDE A BUILDING PLAN AGAIN? SO IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THE COMMISSION CHOOSES TO MAKE THIS A CONDITIONAL USE - RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AS PART OF THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND COUNSEL ALSO AGREES - UH-HUH. 
          AS PART OF THEIR CONDITIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WAS YOU WOULD HAVE TO FILE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE SITE PLAN REVIEW THAT THEN THE SITE PLAN GROUP WOULD THEN BRING THAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. 
          THEY WOULD NOTIFY IT - UH-HUH. 
          AND BRING IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION, AND THEY COULD ADD CONDITIONS ONTO THE INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT USE. 
          AND IT WOULD BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING WHERE NEIGHBORS COULD COME AND SPEAK FOR IT. 
          SPEAK FOR THE... 
          RIGHT. 
          SO YOU CAN BUILD YOUR SITE PLAN EXACTLY THE WAY YOU HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU CAN GO OUT AND YOU CAN DO THAT IF WE APPROVE THE CASE, THE PROJECT, AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT. 
          WHAT YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IS A WEDDING VENUE IN ONE OF THE BUILDINGS UNTIL YOU - UNTIL I HAVE A, ADDITIONAL STEP. 
          UNTIL I SUBMIT THE PEOPLE UP. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'D BE ANOTHER STEP TO DO A WEDDING VENUE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, LET ME ASK THE NEIGHBOR A QUICK QUESTION. 
          UM, ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT A WEDDING VENUE ANYWHERE ON THE PROPERTY OR JUST BUILDING D? UH, I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE BUILDING FOUR. 
          THERE'S A WEDDING VENUE. 
          UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING CLOSEST TO HOWARD LANE IS QUITE A BIT FURTHER FROM - OKAY. 
          FROM THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON HALSTADT DRIVE. 
          UM, THAT SAID, I KNOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, SOME APARTMENTS AND THINGS BEING BUILT CLOSER TO HOWARD LANE, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THEM. 
          BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK AS LONG AS IT WAS IN BUILDING ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD, I'D PROBABLY BE LESS CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          BUILDING FOUR, I THINK I'D BE OPPOSED TO IT. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE ON BUILDINGS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, BUT NOT ON ONE?  NO. 
          THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO THIS WOULD BE TO HAVE THE APPLICANT GO AND DO A FIELD NOTE DESCRIPTION OF A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE SITE - I DON'T WANNA GO THERE. 
          WHERE THAT CONDITION WOULD ONLY APPLY TO THAT SPECIFIC TRACT. 
          WE WOULD PULL IT OUT AS SEPARATE TRACKS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN - I DON'T WANNA DO THAT. 
          UH, WE, WE GOT OTHER, UH, PEOPLE WHO WANNA SPEAK, BUT I, THAT'S TOO MUCH OF A NIGHTMARE. 
          SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE, IT WOULD BE FOR THE ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          ENTIRE PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT BUILDING HE DID IT IN, HE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THAT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE SITE PLAN. 
          AGREE. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CHEPPEY. 
          UH, I'M, I'M WONDERING WHY WE'RE, UH, CONSIDERING THIS, UM, CONDITIONAL USE. 
          IT, IT SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING ON DOING PICKLEBALL ON THE SITE, INDOOR PICKLEBALL OR IN, UH, AN INDOOR WEDDING VENUE. 
          AND IT, IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME TO, UH, MAKE HIM GO THROUGH A, A BUNCH OF HOOPS TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMISSION WHERE, UH, WE WILL POTENTIALLY APPROVE IT IN ONE OF THREE BUILDINGS IF THE NEIGHBORS ARE SO HAPPY AT THAT TIME TO, TO, UH, BE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I, I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH AN INDOOR WEDDING VENUE, UH, NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY. 
          I DON'T SEE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH, UH, A, UH, A- ANY SORT OF INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT, UH, NEXT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD AMENITY. 
          THIS IS A, UH, GR, THIS IS, UH, COMPATIBLE WITH, UH, A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS NOT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I MIGHT ADD, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I, I MYSELF WILL NOT, UH, SUPPORT ANY MOTION THAT INCLUDES CONDITIONAL USE ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S JUST AN ABSURD THING TO ADD A CONDITIONAL USE FOR. 
          FAIR ENOUGH. 
          COMMISSIONER GREENBERG. 
          UM, THERE WAS ONE OTHER CONDITION. 
          YOU, YOU LISTED THE THREE, BUT THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION IS TO CON - RETAIN THE WLO SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          IN REGARDS TO BUILDING HEIGHT SETBACK AND - FAR, WHATEVER, ALL SETBACKS, ALL OF THE WLO SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          YEAH, MINE WASN'T A MOTION. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO GET OPTIONS ON THE TABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT YOU ASKED THE APPLICANT, "ARE YOU OKAY WITH WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS?" YES. 
          OR THE NEIGHBOR WANTS, AND THERE WERE FOUR THINGS - YES. 
          TO PROHIBIT THESE THREE USES, TWO OF WHICH HE'S OKAY WITH, AND ONE 
          [01:25:01]
I BELIEVE NOT. 
          BUT YOU DIDN'T ASK, OR MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO, ABOUT THE WLO SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. 
          I WILL ASK FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DO IT. 
          WHICH ARE DIFFERENT FROM GR. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU OKAY IF WE LEAVE THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE BUILDING SETBACK IN THE IMPERVIOUS COVER AS THEY WOULD BE IN THE WLO ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU, SITE PLAN, UH, COMPLIES WITH? IF I'M DO - IF I DO... 
          I DID SIT DOWN REZONE OVER HERE BEFORE I DO. 
          IF I WANT PICK ONE OR TWO OR THREE OR ONE OR TWO, DO WLO AND TWO AND THREE DO PICK A BAR AND WEDDING MANUAL. 
          I HAVE TO GO THE WHOLE PROCESS. 
          IT HAVE TO GO SUPERDIVISION. 
          NO SUBDIVISION. 
          UH, THEY REQUIRE ME I HAVE TO DO SURVEY, SUPERDIVISION, A DIFFERENT LOT BEFORE I CAN REZONE IT. 
          AND I SIT DOWN, I'M ASKING THEM THAT. 
          AND EITHER WAY, I GO ALL FOUR, ALL THE WHOLE TIME BUILDING THE LOT WITH THE GR. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING RIGHT THERE. 
          BUT IF I HAVE BEEN IN ONE WITH WETLAND VENUE, IT SHOULD BE NOT TWO AND THREE AND FOUR DO THE SAME WAY. 
          IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. 
          SO HOWEVER IT'S A GR, IT LISTS ON THE LID AND I JUST FOLLOW THAT ONE. 
          BUT FOR SURE, IT CANNOT FOLLOW ALL IN THERE BECAUSE GOT TOO MANY THING IN THERE. 
          ONLY THING YOU PICK FOREVER EASY AND WORK WITH AROUND NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          BUT E- EVEN I HAVE A OVERLAY AND OUTDOOR INTER- INTERMIT, I DON'T, I DON'T NEED THAT ONE ANYWAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO - ARE, ARE YOU OKAY KEEPING THE BUILDING HEIGHT REDUCED, THE BUILDING SETBACKS INCREASED, AND THE IMPERVIOUS COVER DECREASED AS, AS YOUR SITE PLAN COMPLIES WITH TODAY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN, UH, INCREASED, UH - OKAY. 
          SO UNDER THE GR DISTRICT - UH-HUH. 
          THE HEIGHT LIMIT WOULD BE 60 FEET. 
          60 FEET? YES. 
          SO IT WOULD BE GREATER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW UNDER WLO. 
          THEY WANT TO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO KEEP THE HEIGHT SINCE THE BUILDINGS ARE ALREADY BUILT. 
          NO. 
          I JUST KEEP EXACTLY LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T WANT MORE UP AND MOVE DOWN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S THE SITE WOULD BE BEST WAY TO DO IT. 
          THE MORE YOU GO HIGH, THE MORE YOU GET DIFFICULT. 
          SO YOU'RE OKAY KEEPING THE BUILDING HEIGHT - YEAH. 
          THE SETBACK AND THE IMPERVIOUS COVER - YEAH. 
          THE WAY THEY'RE PRINTED. 
          YEAH, THE WAY ASK IT RIGHT NOW WITH THE SALARY APPROVAL. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I MAKE A MOTION? IS THAT OKAY? YES, SIR. 
          I MOVE TO, UH, APPROVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT ALSO ADD MOVIE THEATER AND GENERAL RESTAURANT TO THE CO, AND TO ALSO MAINTAIN THE, THE CURRENT RESTRICTIONS ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT AND BUILDING SETBACK. 
          OKAY. 
          DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECOND. 
          WE HEAR A MOTION, SECOND. 
          DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. 
          SO WE WOULD BE BASICALLY APPROVING STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, GRCO, BUT WE'D BE ADDING TO THE CO THEATER AND RESTAURANT GENERAL - AS PROHIBITED USES. 
          AS PERMITTED, AS PROHIBITED USES. 
          YES, PROHIBITED USES. 
          AS PROHIBITED USES. 
          I'M LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          PROHIBITED USES. 
          THEN WE'D BE KEEPING THE BUILDING HEIGHT, THE SETBACK, AND THE IMPERVIOUS COVER LIMITATIONS AS THEY ARE IN WLO. 
          YES. 
          SO YOU WOULD JUST STATE THAT YOU WOULD LIMIT THE SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO W- WLO. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER BUILDING STANDARD BESIDE, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S FAR OR ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE THAT WE WANT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO. 
          AND - THAT'S THE MOTION AND SECOND. 
          AND SO, UM, CLARIFY, WOULD THE INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT STILL BE A CONDITIONAL USE AS PART OF THE CO? NOT WITH THIS MOTION. 
          YOU'RE SAYING NO. 
          WITH THIS MOTION - WITH THIS MOTION, NO. 
          WITH THIS MOTION, THE ANSWER'S NO. 
          SO ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ARE WE READY TO VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AS STATED. 
          WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX YESES. 
          ALL THOSE OPPOSED? WE HAVE TWO OPPOSED, SO THE MOTION PASSES SIX TO TWO. 
          SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING YOU WOULD WANT TO ACCEPT THE, UH, INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED. 
          I, I WOULD SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND IT'S PASSED. 
          THAT'S PROBABLY OUR BIGGEST CONCERN, IS THE INDOOR, INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND BUILDING. 
          YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          WE GO TO C - THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION WE'RE MAKING TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS CASE WILL GO FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL HAVE THE, THAT'S WHERE THE FINAL SAY SO. 
          OURS IS A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          VERY GOOD, PRESIDENT. 
          I APPRECIATE BOTH OF Y'ALL'S INPUT. 
          UH, IT WAS VERY GOOD INPUT. 
          I FELT LIKE WE, WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, MOVING 
          [DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS ]
ON. 
          DISCUSSION AND ACTION ITEMS. DISCUSSION AND ACTION TO APPROVE THE 2027 ANNUAL SCHEDULE OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IS THERE ANY NEED TO DISCUSS THE 
          [01:30:01]
SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR? MOVE TO APPROVE THE SCHEDULE FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          DO I HEAR A SECOND? SECONDED. 
          MOTION AND SECOND. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          WE LOST COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, JUST FYI. 
          UM, SO SHE IS NO LONGER ON THERE, SO IT PASSES WITH A SEVEN TO ONE UNANIMOUS VOTE. 
          UM, 
          [PERMANENT COMMITTEE UPDATES ]
PERMANENT COMMITTEE UPDATES, CODES AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE. 
          THAT IS COMMISSIONER GREENBERG, FLORES, OR STERN, NONE OF WHICH ARE HERE. 
          UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE, UM, WE HAVE A NEW CHAIR. 
          UH, IT WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND COMMISSIONER GREENBERG IS NOW THE VICE CHAIR. 
          UM, WE DID HAVE A MEETING. 
          UM, WE GOT SOME UPDATES, UH, BUT NO ACTION IS NEEDED. 
          WE GOT SOME UPDATES ON THE, WHERE THEY'RE AT IN THE PLANNING COMMIT - COM - ON THE COMING UP WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THAT PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD. 
          UM, SMALL AREA PLANNING AND JOINT COMMITTEE. 
          WE HAVE A MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH, SO - NOVEMBER 4TH. 
          UPDATES NEXT MEETING. 
          FUTURE AGENDA 
          [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS ]
ITEMS. WE ARE GONNA HEAR ABOUT TIAS ON THE NOVEMBER 17TH MEETING, AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NOVEMBER 2ND, 3RD MEETING, UM, OR A NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE THE NOVEMBER 3RD BECAUSE IT'S ELECTION. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE THE NOVEMBER 2ND. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING. 
          UH, SO OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 17TH. 
          UM, ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS? WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED. 
          IT IS 7:32. 
          THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH.
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