* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] EVERYBODY. [CALL TO ORDER] OR AFTERNOON. EARLY AFTERNOON. SORRY. SEE THE, THE CAMERAS COME ON AND YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS. UM, WE HAVE QUORUM. IT'S CURRENTLY FOUR O'CLOCK IN A FEW SECONDS. UM, I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 2ND, 2026. I HOPE EVERYONE HAD A SAFE AND HAPPY HALLOWEEN. UM, IF WE CAN ALL ROLL, WE CAN GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD. CHAIR DRAWN? HERE. COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, NOT CURRENTLY HERE. COMMISSIONER GODWIN? NOT CURRENTLY HERE. OKAY. UH, COMMISSIONER HOLMES? HERE. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER SIERRA AREVALO? PRESENT. UH, COMMISSIONER ALVEY? HERE. UM, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ? HERE. COMMISSIONER EGGER? HERE. COMMISSIONER EDROGO? HERE. COMMISSIONER RUTAN? WAS HERE A MOMENT AGO. UM, DROPPED OFF. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, NOT CURRENTLY HERE. UM, AND WE DO HAVE ONE PERSON POSSIBLY FOR PUBLIC COMMUNICATION IF THEY'VE CALLED ON. SO FAR THEY HAVE NOT. OKAY. SO MAYBE WE CAN CHECK BACK. CAN WE COME BACK TO THAT? YEAH. YEAH. I SUPPOSE. AND I'M PRESENT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TO GET MY CAMERA ON, SO I APOLOGIZE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROUTAN AND GODWIN AS WELL, I SEE. SAW COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT COME UP, SO SHE MIGHT COME IN LATER. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. I CAN PROCEED. COOL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I ALSO [Additional Item] SEE THAT WE HAVE A NEW COMMISSIONER ON BOARD. UM, COMMISSIONER AL - UM, ALVI, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A MINUTE, UH, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND JUST, UH, WHAT BRINGS YOU TO THIS COMMISSION. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, MY NAME IS, UH, MOHAMMED ALVI. UH, HAPPY TO BE ON PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION. UH, PASSIONATE ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY HERE IN OUR CITY OF AUSTIN. UM, FORMERLY USED TO BE AN ATTORNEY WITH, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN LAW DEPARTMENT, SO HAVE, UH, ROOTS THAT TIE BACK TO THE CITY, BUT, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ALVEY AND WELCOME. ALL RIGHT, FIRST, [APPROVAL OF MINUTES] UM, OH, APPROVAL MINUTES. UM, IF EVERYONE TAKE A LOOK AT THEM, UM, AGAIN, REMINDER, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE TO ACTUALLY VOTE ON THEM. UM, SO I WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FOR MEETING OF MONDAY, OCTOBER THE 5TH, 2026. MOTION - I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? I THINK WE HAVE... YEP. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN ALL. YEAH. OKAY. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER ALVI, ARE YOU ABSTAINING OR... OKAY. SO IT'S UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. UH, MINUTES PASS FOR OCTOBER, THE OCTOBER 5TH MEETING. NOW, FIRST, UH, [2. Quarterly Report with Austin Fire. Presentation by Jeffrey Kennedy, Interim Chief of Staff, Austin Fire.] DISCUSSION ITEM FOR THE AFTERNOON IS THE QUARTERLY REPORT WITH AUSTIN FIRE, WITH OUR FRIEND, CHIEF OF STAFF KENNEDY WITH AUSTIN FIRE. TAKE IT AWAY, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT WARM GREETING, UH, CHAIR DURAN. UH, AND MIN - AND, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UM, I AM JEFF KENNEDY SERVING AS THE INTERIM CHIEF OF STAFF FOR AUSTIN FIRE, AND I'M VERY PLEASED THIS AFTERNOON TO PRESENT OUR, OUR QUARTERLY, UH, REPORT TO YOU ALL. UM, WITH THE FIRST SLIDE ON OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME TRENDS, AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE TOP, UM, WE HAVE, UH, REDUCED OUR, UH, RESPONSES FROM, UH, 100,000 TO ABOUT 85,000, AND THAT WAS TO BE EXPECTED WITH THE, UH, CHANGES THAT WERE EVALUATED WITH MEDICAL DISPATCHING. SO THE NUMBER WE WERE GIVEN WAS ABOUT 30,000, SO IT SEEMS TO BE ON POINT, AND WE'RE VERY THANKFUL TO, UH, OUR EMS PARTNERS FOR THAT REEVALUATION AS WELL AS THE, UM, CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER. AND, UH, OUR RESPONSE TIMES STILL ARE TRENDING, UH, IN THE, UH, 10 MINUTE AREA, BUT, UH, DWINDLING. SO, UM, THERE'S IMPROVEMENT THERE AS WELL. NEXT SLIDE. FACILITY IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. UM, SO MOST RECENTLY, SEP - UH, STATION 16, UH, IS UNDERGOING, UH, MOLD REMEDIATION AS WELL AS HAVING THEIR [00:05:01] HEATING, VENTILATION, AND AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, UH, REPAIRED AS WELL AS PART OF THAT MEDIATION. THIS BEGAN ON OCTOBER 24TH AND ENGINE 16 OR STATION 16 WHERE THIS OCCURRED, THEY ARE TEMPORARILY, UH, RESPONDING OUT OF STATION 30 WITH THAT CREW. THIS REMEDIATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETE BY THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER. STATION 21 IS STILL UNDERGOING ITS, UH, MAINTENANCE OR FULL REMODEL, WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO END AROUND THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER AS WELL. UH, ENGINE 21 IS TEMPORARILY RE - UH, RELOCATED AND RESPONDING WITH STATION 19. WITH BOTH OF THESE STATIONS OUT OF SERVICE AND RELOCATION, UH, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES, UH, TO DATE WITH THEIR RESPONSES. AUTOMATIC AID. UM, SO THIS ONE IS... THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, THIS ONE HERE IS, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, I, I WANNA SAY WE HAD A, A VERY GREAT VICTORY HERE RECENTLY. UM, MADER, ESD 12 IS NOW A FULL PARTNER WITH AUTOMATIC AID. UH, FOR YEARS, THEY, UM, WERE NOT INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE, UH, AGREEMENT, AND THEN LATER THEY BECAME PART OF THE AGREEMENT JUST SOLELY WITH THE, UH, M - EMERGENCY MEDICAL RESPONSES. AS OF LAST WEEK, THEY WERE VOTED IN AND THEY WENT LIVE THIS MORNING AS A FULL PARTNER. SO WE ARE VERY PLEASED WITH THAT. AND, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, ONE OF THE RECENT SUCCESSES WITH AUTOMATIC AID WAS WITH, WAS, WAS WITH, UH, EXCUSE ME, ESD-5 MANCHAC, WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO, WITH THAT DEPARTMENT, SAVE A CAT OUT OF A, A, A FIRE THAT HAPPENED EARLY IN THE MORNING. SO, UM, ASIDE FROM THESE TYPES OF SUCCESSES, WE ARE ALSO CONTINUING TO TRAIN WITH OUR ESD PARTNERS, WHICH HELPS MAKE, UH, RESPONSES AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE WHERE WE CAN HAVE GREAT OUTCOMES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS SLIDE HERE IS, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THAT EMS DOES PROVIDE ON OUR OVERDOSE RESPONSES, AND MORE PARTICULAR TO THAT INVOLVING THE ADMINISTRATION OF, OF, UH, NARCAN. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE QUARTER FOUR, THERE WERE 158, UH, DOCUMENTED, UH, RESPONSES. OF THAT, 101 WERE POSITIVE, AND OUT OF THAT, 91 REQUIRED SOME SORT OF ASSISTANCE FROM US OR DIRECT ADMINISTRATION OF NARCAN. INVESTIGATIONS, OUR ARSON TEAM CONTINUES TO BE, UH, ONE OF THE PRIDE AND JOYS OF THE DEPARTMENT, SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CLEARANCE RATE THAT IS HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AT 22%. QUARTER FOUR, UH, THAT NUMBER, 67%, ONLY SPEAKS TO 12 FIRES, SO IT WASN'T, UH, THAT WE HAD, UH, A GREAT NUMBER OF THEM FOR THAT NUMBER TO, TO BE, UH, HIGH AS IT LOOKS, BUT IT IS IN FACT SOMETHING THAT WE WILL TAKE. OF THOSE 12 FIRES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THAT REQUIRED THE RESPONSE OF AN ARSON INVESTIGATOR, UH, EIGHT HAD SOME SORT OF OUTCOME. FIVE WERE, UH, IN ARREST AND THREE WERE DUE TO, UH, WERE GIVEN CITATIONS. SO AGAIN, UH, WE CONTINUE TO TREND ABOVE THE NAT - THE NATIONAL CLEARANCE RATE AND OUR TEAM CONTINUES TO DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. THIS IS A BUSY SLIDE, BUT IT IS ALSO ONE THAT IS, UH, FUN FOR US, PARTICULARLY ME, AS I WAS ONCE PART OF THIS DIVISION'S LEADERSHIP. UM, AS WE HAVE BROADCASTED AND SHOWN OVER THE PAST FEW, UH, REPORTS, WE HAVE, UH, THREE NEW FIREWISE COMMUNITIES THIS YEAR, WHICH BRINGS US TO 28 AT THE CLOSE OF FISCAL YEAR 26. WE HAD A GOAL OF 500, UH, STRUCTURED IGNITION ZONE EVALUATIONS OR SIZES, UH, BUT WE WERE ONLY ABLE TO COMPLETE 427, BUT THAT'S STILL A VERY GOOD NUMBER. AMONGST THAT 427, WE ARE CONDUCTING, UH, SIZES OF FIRE STATIONS. SO IT'S MORE OR LESS NOT DO AS WE SAY, IT'S ALSO DO AS WE DO. SO ONE THIRD OF OUR 54 FIRE STATIONS HAVE RECEIVED SIZE EVALUATIONS, AND THAT NUMBER WILL CONTINUE TO, UNTIL WE REACH ALL, ALL 54. TRAINING CONTINUES. UM, WE HAVE, UH, THE WILDFIRE OR THE WILDLAND, UH, CHAINSAW REFRESHER COURSE, OR THE R2, 212. WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THIS COURSE IS THAT, UH, WE HAVE SENT A NUMBER, ACTUALLY TWO OR THREE OF OUR PEOPLE, UH, UP NORTH IN TEXAS AND SOME OTHER PLACES ACROSS THE NATION TO GET THIS TRAINING AND BRING IT HOME. UM, SO WE HAVE TRAIN THE TRAINERS THAT ARE PROVIDING THIS TRAINING TO OUR FOLKS AT A VERY, VERY REDUCED COST AS FAR AS SENDING THEM OUT THE DOOR. WHAT'S ALSO VALUABLE ABOUT THIS TRAINING IS THAT, UM, IT'S ONE THING TO SOLVE BRANCHES [00:10:01] AND TREES IN A SAFE MANNER, BUT WHEN YOU'RE WORKING ON LIVE TREES, THERE'S A WAY THAT YOU SHOULD DO IT SO THAT THAT TREE IS NOT INJURED OR, UH, IS SUCCUMBED TO SOME SORT OF DISEASE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF VALUE IN THIS TRAINING OTHER THAN, UH, JUST KEEPING YOUR LIMBS, UH, FOR, FOR, UH, IM- IMPROPER PRACTICES. OUTREACH, UM, AGAIN, ANOTHER SPECTACULAR THING FOR US, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THE THING THAT, UH, I'M MOST EXCITED ABOUT, BUT, UM, STARTING TO THE TOP RIGHT, WE'VE, UH, DONE MORE THAN 60 EVENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 26, AND OF THOSE, UH, INCLUDES THE, UH, WILDFIRE SYMPOSIUM IN AUGUST, ON AUGUST 5TH WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. UM, THE ONE THAT I WAS SPEAKING OF IS THE NOVEMBER 7TH FIRST ANNUAL EMBER BASH FAIR. UH, WE ALWAYS HAVE, UH, CAMPAIGNED ON NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER, BUT THE, UH, EMBER BASH IS GOING TO BE THE KICKOFF FOR NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER. AND WHAT'S, UH, GREAT ABOUT THIS IS IF YOU GO TO THE ATEX WILDFIRE HUB, YOU WILL FIND THAT, UM, THERE'S A, A, A LINK THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE BROCHURE. THIS WILL BE HELD THIS SATURDAY AT THE VIRGINIA BROWN RECREATION CENTER FROM 10:00 AM TO 3:00 PM. AND SO THIS WILL BE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARKS AND REC DIVISION OR DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE, UH, THE TEAM FROM THE CLIMATE ACTION AND RESILIENCE TEAM. UH, THERE'LL BE FOOD GAMES AND, UM, I'VE GOT IT ON GOOD ACCORD THAT, UH, SMOKEY BEAR WILL PROBABLY MAKE AN APPEARANCE THERE AS WELL. SO, UH, WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. AND THEN CONTINUING ON WITH, UM, THE THINGS THAT ARE EXCITING, THE BOTTOM RIGHT, YOU SEE THE COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN. UH, IT HAS FINALLY BEEN APPROVED AND ADOPTED NOT ONLY BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT ALSO BY TRAVIS COUNTY. SO THIS HAS BEEN MORE THAN A YEAR OF WORK BETWEEN, UM, THE COUNTY, THE CITY, AND, UH, A LOT OF OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS TO UPDATE THE 2014 COMMUNITY WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLAN. AND HALF OF IT WAS FUNDED BY A GRANT FROM THE TEXAS FOREST SERVICE, AND THEN, UH, AUSTIN FIRE KICKED, UH, UH, AUSTIN FIRE AND THEN, UM, TRAVIS COUNTY, UH, SPLIT THE COST FOR THE SECOND HALF. SO IT WAS ABOUT 400 THOU - 400 SOMETHING THOUSAND DOLLARS, BUT WE WERE PROUD TO NOT ONLY COME UNDER BUDGET, BUT ALSO WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT IN ABOUT A YEAR AND TWO OR THREE MONTHS. SO WHAT'S NEXT FOR IT IS THAT ON NOVEMBER 6TH, WHICH WILL BE THIS FRIDAY, WE'LL HAVE THE COALITION IMPLEMENTATION KICKOFF. AND WHAT THAT WILL CONSIST OF ARE THE NINE DIFFERENT BODIES WITHIN THE WILDFIRE COALITION FOR TRAVIS COUNTY, AND WE WILL, UH, BASICALLY WORK OUT THE, UH, SPAN AND CONTROL AND THE DIVISION OF LABOR ON HOW WE'RE GONNA MANAGE THE CWPP MOVING FORWARD. UH, AS TERMS OF THE, THE, UH, GRANT, WE HAVE TWO REPORTING PERIODS. BY MARCH OF 27, WE NEED TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE ON THE PLAN, AND THEN BY, BY MARCH OF 2028, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ANOTHER UPDATE. AND SO WHAT WE'RE BUILDING INTO THIS PROCESS ALONG WITH THE, THE GUIDELINES OF THE, OF THE, UH, THE GRANT IS THAT EVERY YEAR WE WILL ASSESS, UH, PER THOSE NINE COMMITTEES I TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHERE WE GOING ON PLAN, WHERE WE ARE ON THE PLAN, AND THEN LOOK FOR, UH, EVERY FIVE YEARS TO REALLY, UH, DIVE DEEPLY FOR AN UPDATE. AND SO AFTER THE KICKOFF ON NOVEMBER 6TH, AGAIN, WHICH WILL BE THIS FRIDAY, WE WILL HAVE ON MONDAY, DECEMBER THE 7TH, THE SIGNING CEREMONY. AS PART OF THE COMPLETION FOR THE CWPP, THAT WILL INVOLVE THE SIGNATURE OF OUR MAYOR, THE COUNTY JUDGE, THE COUNTY FIRE MARSHAL, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF, AS WELL AS THE TEXAS FOREST SERVICE REPRESENTATIVE AND A FEW OTHER PEOPLES, UH, PEOPLE. AND SO WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT, AND THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY HEADQUARTERS BUILDING THERE IN THE MUELLER DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN, UH, WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE OF SPECIAL EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS QUARTER FOUR. UH, THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT SPEAKS TO THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, WHICH WAS VERY, VERY, VERY BUSY. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS, IF YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE TRADE SHOWS, THE 66 WEST CAMPUS FRATERNITY AND SORORITY EVENTS, AS WELL AS THE 81 OUTDOOR EVENT PERMITS, THIS TIME LAST YEAR, THOSE WERE HALF THAT NUMBER, IF NOT THREE QUARTERS. SO IT HAS INCREASED AND PICKED UP FOR ALL OF US IN PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT, UH, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS AND THE IMPACT FOR AUSTIN FIRE FOR QUARTER FOUR. THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE IS A DATABASE THAT HELPS US KEEP TRACK OF THE, UH, THE, UH, 38,000 OR SO FIRE ALARM SYSTEMS OR FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND OTHER SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS IN, UH, COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ACROSS THE CITY. AND SO THE NUMBER ITSELF, 38,820, [00:15:01] DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT THAT'S HOW MANY BUILDINGS ARE OUT THERE, JUST MEANS HOW MANY SYSTEMS ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE SYSTEMS WITH TWO, EXCUSE ME, BUILDINGS WITH TWO OR THREE SYSTEMS. AND SO QUARTER FOUR, UH, 77% OF THOSE BUILDINGS TRACKED WITH PROVIDING US, UH, DOCUMENTATION THAT THEIR SYSTEMS ARE WORKING AND ARE, UH, UP TO CODE, AND THAT OTHER 30, OR 20 SOME ODD PERCENT, UH, EITHER, EITHER HAVEN'T REPORTED YET OR WILL PROBABLY BE SOMEONE OR AN ORGANIZATION, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, AN ENTITY THAT WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH. COMMUNITY OUTREACH, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE FOR THIS FREE SMOKE ALARM INSTALLATIONS, WE, UH, FELL SHORT OF OUR GOAL OF 20, OF, UH, OF 1,200, BUT, UH, 989 I'LL TAKE ANY DAY. UM, AND THEN FOR OUR FIRE SAFETY TRAINING, UH, FOR QUARTER FOUR, THERE WAS 262, BUT FOR THE YEAR, WE HIT A NUMBER OF ABOUT, UH, 1100, AND THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY VISITING HOMES, BUT, UH, PUBLIC EDUCATION EVENTS WITH SCHOOLS, AND THEN ALSO, UH, ANY REQUESTS FOR FIRE, FIRE EQUIPMENT, FIRE ENGINES, FIRE LADDERS FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS. SO OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH REMAINS ROBUST. NEXT SLIDE. SEPARATIONS. SO, UM, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING OKAY. AS YOU CAN SEE FOR, UH, THE CALENDAR YEAR THROUGH THE, UH, THE END OF NEXT WEEK, WE ARE AT 39 THAT HAVE RETIRED AND 18 THAT HAVE RESIGNED. UM, THE NEXT FEW SLIDES WILL BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE JOY TO THAT OTHER THAN THE RETIREMENTS, UM, ON HOW WE'RE DOING WITH OUR RETENTION AND OUR RECRUITING. BUT 39 AND 18 ARE OUR NUMBERS THROUGH, UH, NOVEMBER 14TH, WHICH WILL BE PROJECTED AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK. RECRUITING. LATERAL RECRUITING IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PICKED UP THE LAST FEW, UH, YEARS, AND, UH, WE JUST FINISHED A CAMPAIGN THAT NETTED US ABOUT 100 APPLICANTS. UH, WHAT'S INTERESTING ABOUT THE LATERAL CLASS, IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE, IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE FULL SIX MONTHS OF OUR TRAINING, UH, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THE REQUIRED, UH, CERTIFICATIONS TO BE A FIREFIGHTER IN THE STATE. SO FOR THE CITY THAT, UH, DOES SAVE US MONEY. AND SO WITH THE RECRUITING EFFORT FOR LATERALS, WE'RE EXPECTING TO START A NEW CLASS, UM, IN FEBRUARY. AND, UM, WE DID SOME RECRUITING WHILE, AND I'LL, I'LL MENTION SOME OF THAT ON, ON OUR, ON OUR LAST SLIDE. BUT AS FAR AS TRADITIONAL RECRUITING GOES, UH, WE HAD 4,500, UH, CANDIDATE INTEREST CARDS. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING RIGHT NOW TO OPEN UP OUR APPLICATION PROCESS NEXT MONTH WITH A TESTING PROCESS IN FEBRUARY OF 2027, AND HOPEFULLY A CLASS OF ABOUT 50, UH, STARTING IN JULY OF NEXT YEAR FROM THIS TRADITIONAL GROUP. PASS THE TORCH IS OUR, UM, CIVILIAN CLASS THAT MEETS ON SATURDAYS. THEY JUST GRADUATED ABOUT 35 PEOPLE. I WAS HAPPY TO HAVE BEEN THERE AT THAT GRADUATION TO SHAKE HANDS AND MEET A NUMBER OF THOSE FOLKS THAT SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THAT PROGRAM. AND AS YOU SEE, OUR NEXT CLASS WILL BE IN THE SPRING OF 2027. THE EXPLORERS IS OUR YOUTH PROGRAM, WHICH IS, UM, A PART OF THE, UH, THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA PROGRAM. UH, THEY WERE JUST IN SAN ANTONIO WITH THE COMPETITION WITH, UH, THE SAN ANTONIO FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND, UH, OUT OF FIVE CATEGORIES, THEY PLACED FIRST OR SECOND AND THREE. SO, UM, VERY STRONG GROUP OF, OF, OF YOUNG CANDIDATES AND, UH, IT WAS A VERY FUN TIME. CADET CLASSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN, UH, WE HAVE, UM, CLASS 142, WHICH IS OUR TRADITIONAL CLASS OF, OF, OF CADETS. THEY'RE LOOKING TO GRADUATE IN 2027, JANUARY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, WE, WE'VE HAD SOME ATTRITION MOSTLY DUE TO, UH, ACADEMIC REASONS. CLASS 143 IS OUR LATERAL CLASS. THAT GROUP WILL GRADUATE NEXT WEEK, NEXT FRIDAY, AND SO WE'VE ONLY LOST ONE OUT OF THAT CLASS. AND THEN CLASS 144 WILL START IN MIDDLE OF DECEMBER, AND AGAIN, IS ANOTHER ONE OF OUR TRADITIONAL CLASSES. AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE RECEIVING THEIR, UH, CONDITIONAL LETTERS OF, OF, OF EMPLOYMENT, UH, HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. SO WE'RE EXCITED THAT OUR, UH, CADET, UH, POOL CONTINUES TO GROW AND THAT, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR NEXT PLAN FOR, UH, NEXT YEAR AS WELL. AND THEN OUR LAST SLIDE, THE ONE THAT I WANNA BRAG ABOUT A LITTLE BIT IS, UH, WE HOSTED THE WOMEN IN FIRE CONFERENCE, THE INTERNATIONAL WOMEN IN FIRE CONFERENCE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE SEPTEMBER 16TH THROUGH 19TH. AND, UH, THEY'RE, AS YOU CAN SEE ALSO, THERE WERE, THERE WERE OVER 600 ATTENDEES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WITH A PORTION OF THEM BEING DOWN THERE IN THAT PICTURE. UM, [00:20:01] WHAT WE ENJOYED MOST ABOUT THIS, IT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS OF PLANNING, AND OUT OF THIS PLANNING, UM, THIS WAS ONE OF THE MOST, OR ACTUALLY THE MOST ATTENDED TO THIS POINT IN THE, IN THE HISTORY OF THIS, THIS, UH, CONFERENCE. SO NOT ONLY WERE WE PROUD OF THAT, BUT IF YOU JUMP DOWN TO THE THIRD BULLET, YOU SEE THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL ATTENDEES THAT PRAISED THE AFD INSTRUCTORS. UM, I LIKE TO, UH, LOOK AT OUR DEPARTMENT AS A DESTINATION. WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT INSTRUCTORS ACROSS ALL DISCIPLINES, AND THIS WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THEM OFF. IN THIS STATEMENT OF SOME PEOPLE FEELING THAT THIS IS SOME OF THE BEST TRAINING THEY'VE EVER HAD OR RECEIVED WAS ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY NOTED THAT A LOT OF THE INSTRUCTORS THAT THEY WERE REFERRING TO WERE ALSO FEMALE INSTRUCTORS AND WERE ALSO WITH AUSTIN FIRE. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND THEN, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE BRINGING EVERYBODY TO US, WE DECIDED TO POACH A LITTLE, SO WE DID RECRUIT AND, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT WE WILL GET, UH, SOME LATERAL CANDIDATES HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE FROM THIS EVENT. BUT, UH, KUDOS TO, UH, DIVISION CHIEF, UH, CARRIE STEWART, WHO WAS ONCE IN THE WILDFIRE DIVISION, WHO IS NOW IN THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE. SHE AND HER TEAM DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WITH, UH, ALONG WITH OUR EDUCATION SERVICES DIVISION OF HOSTING THIS. ALTHOUGH THE, UM, THE BODY OF WOMEN IN FIRE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE AUSTIN AREA, UH, THEY, UH, POSTED MOST OF THEIR CLASSES UP IN ROUND ROCK AT THE KALAHARI, THINKING THAT IT WAS PART OF AUSTIN. AND BY THE TIME WE ALL FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, WE COULDN'T UNDO THE DEAL. SO, BUT ALL THE TRAINING HAPPENED AT SHAW LANE HERE IN AUSTIN, AND, UM, IT WAS, UM, VERY PRODUCTIVE AND A GREAT TIME FOR EVERYBODY. AND, UH, THAT CONCLUDES OUR QUARTERLY REPORT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. UH, YEAH, KUDOS ON THE WOMEN FIRE CONFERENCE AND THE PRAISE YOU RECEIVED, UM, KALAHARI IS THE ONE, SO I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR - ... LIKE THEM CAMPING OUT THERE. UM, AND ALSO, I, I LOVE THE, UH, NORMAN RO- ROCKWELL S. CAT, SAVING CATS OUT OF TREES, GIVE THEM OXYGEN. THAT'S A REALLY HEARTWARMING, HOR - HEARTWARMING PICTURE, SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. UM, I DO HAVE A, A QUESTION, IT'S ON YOUR RESPONSE TIME, WHICH AGAIN, GREAT WORK ON, ON GETTING, TRAINING IT DOWNWARD, UM, AND ACKNOWLEDGING THAT MORE WORK STILL NEEDS TO BE DONE. WHAT WOULD YOU S - WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS, LIKE, A COUPLE OF YOUR HURDLES INTO, TO GETTING THAT RESPONSE TIME TO WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE? YES. O- ONE OF THE HURDLES IS THE CONNECTIVITY IN SOME OF THE AREAS IN TOWN WITH ALL THE CONSTRUCTION, ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS, AND OF COURSE, UM, THE, THE, THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS. AND, UM, DENSITY IS ANOTHER, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, AUSTIN HAS GROWN. SO WHEN YOU PUT ALL OF THOSE VEHICLES ON THOSE ROADS THAT ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND CONNECTIVITY HAS BEEN, UH, CHALLENGED WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS, THAT DOES INCREASE RESPONSE TIME. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING ON OUR OWN THROUGH THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS IS WE'RE EVALUATING HOW FAST OUR FOLKS ARE GETTING INTO THEIR GEAR AND OUT OF THE STATION, WHICH CAN HELP SHAVE OFF A FEW SECONDS AS WELL, UM, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A STANDARD ON HOW WE WANT AND HOW FAST WE NEED OUR PEOPLE OUT THE DOOR, WHICH IS IN SOME CASES A MINUTE OR LESS, A MINUTE AND A HALF OR LESS. SO, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT IN, IN THAT, THAT NUMBER. BUT WHAT AFFECTS IT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IS THE, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTALS OF, OF ROAD CONNECTIVITY AND, AND DENSITY. THANK YOU, CHIEF. OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR THE COMMISSION? VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ? THERE. UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, I HAD A, I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION FOR, UM, SOME POLICE LAST WEEK AND JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, THAT WE ARE TRACKING AND FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORTS, THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT THE CITY IS TRACKING FOR THE DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH OUR QUARTERLY REPORTS, UM, FOR... YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB. UH, I THINK YOU HAVE MOST OF THEM. THE TWO THAT I DID NOT SEE TRACKED DIRECTLY WAS, AGAIN, IN RESPONSE IN, WHEN IT COMES TO RESPONSE TIME. THE RESPONSE TIME METRIC, UM, THAT'S IN THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE ONES THAT YOU PRE- PRESENT TO US, AND WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVING FORWARD, UM, BECAUSE THE ONE IN THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES IS A PERCENT OF EMERGENCY INCIDENTS WHERE AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN CALL RECEIPT AND ARRIVAL OF AFD UNIT IS EIGHT MINUTES OR LESS. UM, SO WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT IF POSSIBLE. AND THEN THE OTHER, UM, METRIC THAT I DIDN'T SEE PRESENTED WAS THE OVERTIME RELATED ONE. YES, MA'AM. WE WILL HAVE THOSE NEXT TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. [00:25:03] ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. COMMISSIONER RUTAN OR COMMISSIONER ALVI, IF YOU CAN TURN YOUR CAMERAS ON, SEE IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR COMMENT ON. UM, I WAS JUST CURIOUS ON THE RESIGNATIONS, UH, ON THE SEPARATIONS, UH, IT IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN IT HEAVEN. DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE, IS THAT JUST RANDOM NOISE? IS THAT ANY KIND OF A TREND THAT YOU NEED TO BE, OR THAT WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT? NO, WE, I, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT RANDOM NOISE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT IS NOT A TREND THAT WE ARE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THEM STILL REMAIN WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TAKING OPPORTUNITIES TO RETURN BACK HOME OR, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO BE IN, UH, TO RETURN BACK HOME BECAUSE OF FAMILY ISSUES OR OPPORTUNITIES TO RETURN BACK HOME BECAUSE OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY WANTED TO BE A PART OF. OKAY. DO YOU GET ANY SENSE THAT, LIKE, AS WE TRY TO RECRUIT MORE BROADLY AND GET LATERAL RECRUITMENT, IS THAT POTENTIALLY RAISING SOME OF THAT LOSS COMPONENT OR... NO, SIR. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, UM, OUR ATTRITION WHEN IT INVOLVES LATERALS IS LITTLE TO NONE, UH, BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT AND WE'RE PROBABLY MORE WHAT THEY WANT COMING IN OUR DIRECTION, COMING FROM WHERE THEY WERE, UH, KIND OF IN REVERSE OF SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE'VE LOST PEOPLE GOING BACK HOME TO THE JOBS THAT THEY WANT, IF YOU WILL. GOT IT. THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER? OH, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ? UH, A SECOND FOLLOW UP, AND I, I KNOW WE'RE NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WILDFIRE, UM, BUT I KNOW THAT LAST TIME WHEN WE HAD THE WILDFIRE PRESENTATION, UM, WE HAD ASKED SOME QUESTIONS AROUND DEVELOPING SOME NEW METRICS FOR THE WILDFIRE TEAM TO BE TRACKING. UM, THE, THE REPORTS HAD FELT KIND OF SIMILAR. UM, WE GET THEM BIANNUALLY. I THINK THEY HAD STARTED TO FEEL REALLY FLAT AND SIMILAR FROM REPORT TO REPORT. HAVE YOU GUYS MADE ANY PROGRESS WITH REGARDS TO ADDRESSING SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL CHANGED METRICS FOR THAT? SO WE HAVE DEFINITELY HAD THE CONVERSATIONS ON, UH, AGREEING WITH THE CHANGES. WE JUST HAVEN'T, UH, DONE ANY RESEARCH ON WHAT THAT WOULD BE AND THEN HOW SOME OF THAT SEPARATES FROM WHAT WE'VE BEEN, UM, UM, WHAT THE RESOLUTIONS HAVE SAID FOR US TO, UH, REPORT ON. BUT, UH, WE DID NOT WALK AWAY FROM HERE AND IGNORE IT. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AS WELL WHAT WOULD BE FRUITFUL TO REPORT OUTSIDE OR ON TOP OF THOSE, THOSE METRICS. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. CHIEF KENNEDY, THANK YOU FOR AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. UM, BEFORE MOVING ON, I WANTED TO ALSO THANK APD, EMS, AND AFD FOR ALL THE GREAT WORK Y'ALL DID ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. UH, LADDER 36 CAME OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST, AND, AND CERTAIN EMS, UM, UH, LIKE EMTS CAME OUT TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST MADE, MADE ALL THE KIDS NIGHT WITH THE, THE LAT - WITH THE FIRE TRUCKS AND EMS AND AMBULANCES AND ALL THAT. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THAT YOU DID FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. THANK YOU, SIR. OUR PLEASURE. AND, UM, THERE'S A GREAT VIDEO OUT THERE ABOUT SAVING A RACCOON THAT HAD HIS HEAD TRAPPED IN A TREE AS OF LIKE THREE OR FOUR DAYS AGO. OKAY. WELL, YOU CAN SAY, SAVE FOR THE NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT THEN. YES, SIR. OKAY. UM, MOVING ON [3. Discussion of sexual assault data with the Sexual Assault Response and Resource Team (SARRT). Presentation by Marcy Alonzo, Co-Chair, SARRT.] TO THE NEXT, UH, TOPIC, DISCUSSION OF SEXUAL ASSAULT DATA WITH THE SEXUAL SPONSOR, SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE AND RESOURCE TEAM. SART, UH, PRESENTATION BY MARCY ALONSO, CO-CHAIR OF SART. THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS MARCY ALONZO. I AM THE AUSTIN TRAVIS COUNTY SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE AND RESOURCE TEAM, OR SART COORDINATOR. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME AND THE REST OF US HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE INSIGHT ON OUR COMMUNITY RESPONSE TO POST-PUBESCENT ADULT SEXUAL ASSAULT. I DO WANNA HIGHLIGHT, UM, OUT OF THE GATE THAT NO SINGLE AGENCY HANDLES SEXUAL ASSAULT RESPONSE ALONE. THE AUSTIN TRAVIS COUNTY SART ALIGNS MEDICAL, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND PROSECUTORIAL WORKFLOWS. WITH ME TODAY ARE REPRESENTATIVES FROM VERA... VARIOUS AGENCIES [00:30:01] IN, THAT I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT IN CASE YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THEM AFTER. SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA START OFF WITH APD'S DATA, AND WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT DATA FROM JANUARY 2026 UNTIL JUNE 2026. SO, UM, THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT CONTINUES TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF TRAINING AND APPLYING A TRAUMA-INFORMED RESPONSE TO REDUCE RE-TRAUMATIZATION. THE NUMBERS, AS YOU SEE, HAVE REMAINED CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE SIX-MONTH PERIOD. UM, APD AND THE TRAVIS COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CONTINUED TO WORK TOGETHER ON CASE STAFFING AND HANDLING PROCEDURES. FROM APRIL TO JUNE, THEY STAFFED 96 CASES. IN JULY TO SEPTEMBER, THEY STAFFED 119 CASES, WHICH IS AN INCREASE FROM THE PREVIOUS MONTHS. UM, AND THIS DATA CAN BE FOUND IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENTS. UM, THIS ALLOWS FOR, STAFFING CASES ALLOWS FOR EVIDENTIARY REVIEW PRIOR TO FILING. DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, THERE WERE TWO CASES THAT WENT TO TRIAL, ONE IN APRIL, WHICH WAS A SEXUAL ASSAULT, WHICH, UM, RESULTED IN AN ACQUITTAL. AND THEN ANOTHER IN JUNE, WHICH WAS A BURGLARY OF A HABITATION OF SEXUAL NATURE, WHICH RESULTED IN A GUILTY OUTCOME. SO THE DA'S OFFICE CONTINUES THEIR COMMITMENT TO TRANSPARENCY BY PUBLICLY REPORTING ON ADULT SEXUAL ASSAULT PROSECUTION RATES MONTHLY. THE GOAL, OF COURSE, IS ALWAYS TO GET JUSTICE FOR SURVIVORS. SOMETIMES THAT MAY MEAN GOING TO TRIAL. OTHER TIMES, IT MAY BE GETTING A PLEA DEAL. DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, THERE WERE 50 CASES THAT RESULTED IN PLEAS. THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE SEXUAL RELATED OFFENSES AND OTHERS WERE FAMILY VIOLENCE RELATED OFFENSES. SO FOR OUR FORENSIC NURSING SERVICES DURING THE FI- FIRST FIVE MONTHS OF 2026, SAFE WAS AVERAGING ABOUT 45 TO 50 MEDICAL FORENSIC EXAMS, WHICH IS MEDICAL CARE OR EVIDENCE COLLECTION PER MONTH FOR AUSTIN TRAVIS COUNTY SURVIVORS. THE NUMBERS FOR SAFE REFLECT AN OVERALL SNAPSHOT OF SERVICES, NOT JUST MEDICAL COLLECTION. AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW, ON MAY 20, ON MAY 7TH, 2026, SAFE SENT NOTICE TERMINATING SAFE'S ASSAULT, SEXUAL ASSAULT FORENSIC EXAM SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY AND WITH THREE MAJOR HOSPITAL GROUPS NOTING THEY WOULD CEASE PROVIDING FOREXI - FORENSIC EXAMINATIONS AT LOE'S HOUSE EFFECTIVE JUNE 8TH. IN JUNE, WHEN SAFE'S CONTRACT CANCELLATIONS WENT INTO EFFECT WITH HOSPITALS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE SAW A TRANSITION, UM, WITH BRAVE ALLIANCE REPORTING MORE FORENSIC EXAMS. SO WE WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE NUMBERS WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE ARE NOT APPLES TO APPLES. UM, THE DATA DOES NOT EXPLICITLY SHOW THAT THERE WAS A DECREASE IN EXAMS. SO OUR HOPE IS THAT IN FUTURE REPORTS, UM, WE'LL HAVE ADVANCEMENT IN THIS AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS DATA COLLECTION IMPROVEMENTS. SO THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF EXAMS HAS REMAINED STEADY AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE DATA FOR JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST. SO SAFE CONTINUES TO BE THE PRIMARY TWENTY FOUR SEVEN CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNITY ADVOCATE SUPPORT TO SURVIVORS IN AUSTIN, TRAVIS COUNTY. UH, COMMUNITY ADVOCATES ARE ADVOCATES THAT ARE NOT TIED TO A SYSTEM, UH, SUCH AS LAW ENFORCEMENT OR PROSECUTION. THEY WORK FOR USUALLY A RAPE CRISIS CENTER AND ARE CONFIDENTIAL AND SUPPORT THAT SURVIVOR. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY OF THESE, UM, RESPONSES THAT ADVOCATES DID WERE FOR MEDICAL VERSUS NON-MEDICAL ACCOMPANIMENTS, YOU CAN SEE THE DATA HERE AND HOW THAT BREAKDOWNS, BREAKS DOWN IS THAT MEDICAL IS RESPONDING TO A SEXUAL ASSAULT FORENSIC EXAM. IT COULD BE RESPONDING TO A STRANGULATION ASSESSMENT. IT COULD BE HIV OR PREP VISIT AND, AND ANY OTHER MEDICAL, UH, CARE THAT'S RELATED TO THE ASSAULT. SO NON-MEDICAL WOULD INCLUDE RESPONDING TO VICTIM INTERVIEWS WITH ANY, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, WITH THE DAS OR WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEYS FOR PROTECTIVE ORDERS. SO THESE NUMBERS REFLECT AND DO NOT REFLECT IN INDIVIDUAL CLIENTS, THEY REFLECT THE NUMBER OF ACCOMPANIMENTS. SO, UH, OUR GOAL MOVING FORWARD IS TO STRENGTHEN THE COLLABORATION ACROSS THE PARTNERS AND THE AGENCIES AND TO ALIGN ON ESSENTIAL ROLES. AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS HARD WORK AND IT IS GONNA BE DIFFICULT. EACH PARTNER DOES OPERATE UNDER DIFFERENT MANDATES AND PRESSURES. AND SO WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THIS IN ORDER TO BUILD STRONGER CO- COORDINATION AND IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME AND TRUST. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY ADDRESSING GAPS IN COMMUNICATION PATHWAYS AMONG MEDICAL PROVIDERS, ADVOCACY PARTNERS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PROSECUTORS, AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS. THESE [00:35:01] GAPS CREATE OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT SURVIVORS AND ACKNOWLEDGING THOSE RISKS IS NECESSARY FOR US TO IMPROVE THE SYSTEM. SO RIGHT NOW, MUCH OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING CENTERS ON DEVELOPING SHARED DEFINITIONS AND CONSISTENT DATA COLLECTION PRACTICES. SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE COUNTING THE SAME THINGS, THAT IT MEANS THE SAME THING SO THAT IT CAN BE REFLECTED IN THAT DATA. SO AS A COMMUNITY, WE ARE EXPLORING A MULTI-PROVIDER MODEL TO EXPAND THE CAPACITY. THIS APPROACH HAS REAL POTENTIAL, BUT IT ALSO CARRIES RISK. UH, WITHOUT STRONGER REFERRAL SYSTEMS, WARM HANDOFFS, AND SURVIVOR-CENTERED ADVOCACY EMBEDDED THROUGHOUT, WE RISK INCONSISTENCIES AND FRAGMENTATION. SO WE ARE APPROACHING THIS WITH CAUTION AND TRANSPARENCY. ACROSS ALL OF THIS, OUR COMMITMENT IS TO ENSURE EQUITABLE ACCESS TO EXAMS AND ADVOCACY REGARDLESS OF PROVIDER OR LOCATION. ACHIEVING THAT CONSISTENTLY IS CHALLENGING, BUT IT DOES REMAIN OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES. SO OUR WORK STARTS AND ENDS WITH SURVIVORS. SO DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, UM, AND FOR DOING JUST INCREDIBLE WORK AND JUST KUDOS ON TRYING TO GET LIKE A CONSISTENT LANGUAGE AMONG ALL THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THIS. UM, A LOT CAN GET LOST IN THE WEEDS, SO I APPLAUD THAT EFFORT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS? VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ. UM, I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT TO, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE THE MONUMENTAL FEAT THAT IT IS, UM, TO PRESENT A COHESIVE SINGULAR PRESENTATION ON ALL OF THESE VARIOUS DATA POINTS. UM, WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT FRAGMENTED, UM, DATA POINTS FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES FOR A REALLY LONG TIME, AND THIS IS A HUGE STEP TOWARDS THE REPORTING ECOSYSTEM THAT I THINK WE EVENTUALLY WANT TO HAVE AND FINESSE. SO THANK YOU. THIS IS AMAZING. UM, BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT STUFF NEUTRALLY LIKE THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL SO THAT WE CAN, UM, ASK DISCERNING QUESTIONS AND, UM, AND SO I, I JUST WANTED, I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. UM, THE, THE ONE PIECE THAT, UM, I WAS GETTING TO APPRECIATE WHEN WE HAD THE VARYING AGENCIES IS WHEN WE DID TALK ABOUT RISKS, UM, AND CONCERNS, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY MOVING FORWARD. I THINK YOU TALK, YOU SPOKE TO SOME OF THAT JUST WITH REGARDS TO THE DATA AND THE COLLECTING AND THE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TRANSITION. ARE THERE ANY OTHER RISKS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE TAPPED INTO? I THINK, UM, AS THE YEAR HAS PROGRESSED AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE GOT IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR, IT IS LOOKING TOWARDS BUILDING A MULTI-PROVIDER SYSTEM AND WHAT THAT IS GOING TO ENTAIL. UM, IS THERE GOING, HOW DOES THAT DISPATCH WORK? WHICH AGENCY GETS CALLED WHEN? SO THERE IS A PROCESS THAT SART IS WORKING ON TO VET ANY PROVIDERS. SO ONCE THAT IS ROLLED OUT, I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IRONING OUT THOSE QUESTIONS OR KINKS. RIGHT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? UM, YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. AND, UM, AND I, I FEEL LIKE I DON'T WANNA OPEN A CAN OF WORMS. AND AT THE SAME TIME, UM, I, I HAVE READ RECENTLY, I THINK, UM, THAT, UH, THE SAFE ALLIANCE IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY BE, AGAIN, PROVIDING FORENSIC NURSING CARE OR WANTS TO, OR SOMEPLACE IN BETWEEN THOSE TWO. ANYWAY, UM, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR PLACE TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION. SO WE DID ALSO LEARN THAT INFORMATION. I THINK WE LEARNED FROM SOCIALS AND THE NEWS, AND THEN SAFE ALSO SENT US, UH, AN EMAIL, UM, ALERTING US THAT THIS WAS HAPPENING. BUT I DO HAVE SOMEONE FROM SAFE HERE THAT MAY BE ABLE TO, UM, GIVE US A LITTLE MORE FEEDBACK OR PROGRESS UPDATES. YES. OKAY. HEY, Y'ALL. UM, MY NAME IS ALLIE SUSAN. I'M THE VP OF PROGRAM, UH, IMPACT AND INNOVATION AT SAFE. AND SO YES, UM, SAFE IS PURSUING A SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH A FORENSIC NURSING ORGANIZATION TO BE [00:40:01] ABLE TO PROVIDE FORENSIC EXAMS. UM, THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE TWENTY FOUR SEVEN RIGHT NOW. THAT KICKOFF IS GONNA HAPPEN JANUARY 3RD. WE'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR FULL-TIME NURSES IN PERSON AT ELOISE HOUSE, UM, THAT WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE EXAMS. AND WE REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH SART AND WORKING WITH THE OTHER PROVIDERS IN THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT RESPONSE LOOKS LIKE SO THAT IT'S NOT CONFUSING AND IN RECOGNITION THAT IT WAS VERY CONFUSING FOR ALL, UM, COMMUNITY PROVIDERS, SURVIVORS, AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? NOPE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS, UM, NEXT ITEM HAS BEEN [4. Approve a recommendation to Council regarding public safety surveillance technology and data sharing and the TRUST Act. ] A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF MONTHS IN THE MAKING AND, UM, I'VE READ IT. UM, IT'S VERY ROBUST AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO GIVE COMMISSIONER RUTAN AND COMMISSIONER, UM, BERNHARDT THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF WALK US THROUGH IT, UM, POINT ANYTHING OUT THAT WE SHOULD REALLY FOCUS ON OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. I THINK I'M GONNA PUNT THAT TO COMMISSIONER RUTAN. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. COMMISSIONER RUTAN? UM, SURE. AND I THINK PROBABLY THE MOST FRUITFUL WILL BE IF WE HAVE, UH, ANY DISCUSSION IN, IN GENERAL, BUT, UM, JUST KINDA WALKING THROUGH, I THINK THE BACKGROUND ON THIS IS, UH, COUNCIL PASSED THE TRUST ACT, I THINK WAS A IMPORTANT, UH, STEP AND BROUGHT TOGETHER A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED, UH, A LOT OF DIFFERENT NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN, UH, A WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS FROM, UH, PEOPLE WORKING ON FRONT LINES OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO CIVIL LIBERTIES ADVOCATES, TO CITY TECHNOLOGY, TO LAW. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH IN TERMS OF HOW TO BEST STRUCTURE AND TRY TO S - FIND THE APPROPRIATE BALANCE BETWEEN A LOT OF THESE COMPETING, UM, INTERESTS AND GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND IN THE TIME SINCE THAT'S PASSED, WHERE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF IMPLEMENTATION WORK BEING DONE, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS SUCH AS, UM, SOME HAVING INFORMATION PUBLICLY AVAILABLE, UM, IS A ONGOING, UM, GOAL, AND A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS ARE STILL FIGURING OUT SOME OF THE INVENTORIES AND SOME OF THOSE IMPLEMENTATIONS. I THINK WE'RE ALSO SEEING, UH, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS IN TEXAS AND THROUGHOUT WITH THE RAPID ADVANCEMENT OF A VARIETY OF THINGS FROM AUTOMATED LICENSE PLATE READERS TO JUST AI IN GENERAL. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO STRENGTHEN AND TO TIGHTEN UP SOME OF WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENTION OF THE TRUST ACT. UM, AND A LOT OF THIS IS ALSO CLARIFYING THINGS I THINK WAS PERHAPS INTENDED, BUT PERHAPS NOT AS EXPLICIT THAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST, UH, FEW, FEW MONTHS. UM, I'M HAPPY IF FOLKS WANNA GO THROUGH ITEM BY ITEM, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT OR IF WE JUST WANNA LEAVE IT THERE AND JUST HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, FOR ANY DISCUSSIONS. UM, I'M ASSUMING EVERYBODY HAS THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF THEM. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT BEFORE THE MEETING OR DO WE WANNA GO OVER IT A LITTLE BIT RIGHT NOW? VICE CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? I'VE READ THE RECOMMENDATION, UM, IN ADVANCE, UM, AND ALSO FEEL LIKE IT'S PRETTY THOROUGH. IT IS, IT IS LENGTHY. I DO, I DO... IF WE, IF WE NEED TO TAKE A MINUTE TO READ, UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL, BUT, UM, IF NOT, THAT'S FINE AS WELL. UM, I DID WANNA BRING UP THE FACT THAT THE TECHNOLOGY COMMISSION HAS ALSO SORT OF ISSUED AN, A S - UH, IS THAT RIGHT, A, A RECOMMENDATION SPECIFICALLY HAVING TO DO WITH LICENSE PLATE READERS? UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S ALSO HAPPENED SINCE THIS HAS BEEN WRITTEN. BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME. AND, AND AS WE JUST GO, SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST ITEM WHICH RESPONDS TO EXTERNAL SURVEILLANCE DATA, I THINK IS, UM, INFORMATION THAT IS IN THE TRUST ACT, BUT SOME, THERE'S SOME CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN SOME PREVIOUS PRESENTATIONS THAT PERHAPS THERE MIGHT, MIGHT BENEFIT FROM HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY OF WHAT IS INCLUDED. SO THE FIRST ITEM JUST SPECIFIES AS FAR AS EXTERNAL SURVEILLANCE DATA THAT ANY TIME THAT ANY CITY DEPARTMENT IS OBTAINING ANY TYPES OF STANDING, RECURRING, OR IS NOTED IN THEIR FUNCTIONAL EQUIVALENT ACCESS TO ANY SURVEILLANCE INFORMATION [00:45:01] BY OTHER ENTITIES. SO EXAMPLES OF THIS MIGHT BE, UM, ACCESS TO A CAMERA SYSTEM ON A PRIVATE, UH, COMPANY. SO WHETHER THAT IS AN ENTITY SUCH AS A HOME DEPOT OR AN HEB OR ANYBODY ELSE WHO MIGHT HAVE THEIR OWN FORM OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS THAT OFTEN THERE IS SOME ABILITY FOR DATA SHARING, UM, JUST CLARIFIES THAT ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THE TRUST ACT APPLY TO ANYTHING THAT IS A STANDING OR OCCURRING PROCESS. IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY, UH, HAVE TO APPLY TO SOMETHING THAT IS DISCREET EVIDENCE FOR A PARTICULAR INCIDENT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS WOULD NOT PROHIBIT, UM, IF THERE WAS A PARTICULAR INCIDENT THAT REQUIRED A LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN A PARKING LOT WITH SOME SURVEILLANCE, THE ACCESS TO, UM, CAMERA DATA WOULD BE THE USUAL PROCESS THERE. THIS IS JUST SPECIFYING THAT IF THERE IS AN, A LONG ONGOING PROCESS THAT, SAY, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY FLAG A CITY DEPARTMENT WITH SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY WITHOUT THAT INTENTIONALITY RESPONDING TO AN INCIDENT THAT THAT IS COVERED UNDER THE TRUST ACT. AND WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THAT IT JUST HAS TO BE, UH, REVIEWED BY COUNCIL, THE PRIVACY IMPACT AND THE LIKE HAS TO BE, UM, IN A PROCESS THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY TO SEE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THOSE AGREEMENTS CAN'T HAPPEN, BUT IT JUST HAS TO BE, UH, APPROVED AND DISCUSSED. AND THAT'S THE PRIMARY, UH, COMPONENT ON THAT FIRST SECTION. UM, UH, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION OR, OR ANY WORDING ISSUES IN THAT, IN THAT FIRST ASPECT? COMMISSIONER SIERRA REVALO? YES. CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY, JUST IN THE BROADEST STROKES, WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THE TRUST ACT, NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF THESE EXTERNAL SURVEILLANCE DATA? SO IN THE CONTEXT OF THE, WELL, WE'LL CALL IT THE, THE AVERAGE SURVEILLANCE DATA, WHAT ARE THE BROAD STROKES OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE TRUST ACT AND HOW THAT WOULD THEN BE APPLIED TO THE EXTERNAL DATA? SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT LAYERS TO THE TRUST ACT. IT'S A FAIRLY LARGE DOCUMENT. I'M CERTAINLY NOT A, A LAWYER OR A EXPERT ON THERE. I THINK ACTUALLY ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ONGOING PROCESSES AS THE CITY IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT IT IN ALL THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. BUT AT THE, AT THE SIMPLEST IT IS THAT IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF A RECURRENT USE OF, UM, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT, UM, ANY TECHNOLOGICAL ASPECTS, WHETHER THAT IS AI, CAMERAS OR ANYTHING THAT IS A ONGOING PROCESS, IT REQUIRES BOTH THERE'S A PRIVACY IMPACT STATEMENT AS WELL AS AN ASSESSMENT, AND THEN THAT HAS TO BE, UM, IT'S CALLED A, A PIA, PRIVACY IMPACT ASSESSMENT, A SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY, AN SUP WITH A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT HAS TO DO WITH, LIKE, SHARING RULES, RETENTION, AUDIT TRAILS, UM, AND THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY, UH, BY, BY, BY COUNCIL AT, AT, AT SOME LEVEL THROUGH THE DEPARTMENTS. UH, AND, BUT THAT APPLIES TO ANYTHING THAT'S A RECURRING PROCESS. AND SO THE INTENTION OF THIS FIRST PART IS JUST TO CLARIFY, LIKE, IF IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT THE CITY HAS A CONTRACT, WHICH IS WHAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST OBVIOUS PART IN THE TRUST THING IS SAY A- AFD HAS A CONTRACT WITH A PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY SURVEILLANCE, THAT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT HAS TO BE, MEET ALL THESE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS. BUT IF THERE WAS NO MONEY EXCHANGED AND IT WAS JUST, HEY, AFD, APD HAS ACCESS TO ANY PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY ON A PRIVATE COMPANY, UM, OR OTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THAT ALL THE SAME PROVISIONS SHOULD APPLY EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A OFFICIAL MONEY OR CONTRACT EXCHANGE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER EDGAR, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? MY, MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW, HOW DOES THIS HINDER OUR POLICE FORCE FROM ACTUALLY DOING THEIR JOB? UM, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THE CIVIL LIBERTIES CONCERN, BUT, UM, I'M, HAVE, HAVE... BEFORE WE VOTE, HA - DID IT, DID WE, WAS THIS CHECKED OUT, COMMISSIONER OTTANA, WITH, UH, APD ABOUT WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE IN HELPING SOLVE CRIME BY USE OF CAMERAS LIKE FLOCK? UH, I WOULD CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY INPUT IF IT IS AVAILABLE TO BE STATED. I KNOW THERE HA - ARE... IT IS A COMPLICATED ISSUE IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY HOW WE DISCUSS THESE ISSUES AND WHAT, UH, DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVES ARE ALLOWED TO SAY, BECAUSE SOME OF THIS TIES INTO HOW CITY LEGAL INTERPRETS, UM, ANY, UM, ASPECT OF THE TRUST ACT. WITH THAT CAVEAT, IF, IF ANYBODY FROM APD WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON IT, I WOULD BE WELCOME THAT. I THINK THE, IN THIS FIRST ASPECT, WHAT WE TRY TO BE VERY CLEAR ON IS JUST THAT IF YOU HAVE A ONE-TIME INCIDENT, SO RESPONDING TO ATTEMPTING TO, UM, UH, DEAL WITH AN INCIDENT THAT THAT IS EXEMPT. UM, HOWEVER, JUST THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE A, A WORKAROUND BY NOT HAVING AN ACTIVE CONTRACT THAT ALLOWS THE SAME EFFECTIVE, UM, UH, ACCESS, UH, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS [00:50:01] THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IS THAT THE INTENTION OF THE TRUST ACT COULD BE SUBVERTED THROUGH NOT HAVING AN ACTIVE CONTRACT FOR AN ONGOING PROCESS, BUT HOPEFULLY BY PROVIDING THE PROVISION FOR ACCESS IN MORE OF AN EMERGENCY CASE OR A ONE-TIME USE CASE, IT WOULD SEEK TO HAVE THAT, HAVE THAT BALANCE, WHICH ISN'T THE ORIGINAL TRUST ACT, IS TRYING TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE EXIGENT SORT OF IMMEDIATE RESPONSE USE VERSUS THE ONGOING ROUTINE AUTOMATED SURVEILLANCE ASPECTS, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMENT IF ANYBODY FROM, UM, WHO'S PRESENT FOR APD HAS, IS ABLE TO COMMENT ON, ON THEIR THOUGHTS. CHIEF ROGERS? LEE ROGERS, UH, EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT CHIEF WITH APD. UM, SO THE TRUST ACT IS HERE. IT WAS, IT WAS PASSED. UH, WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING, UH, WITH ATS, UM, TO EVALUATE ALL OF THE EXISTING SYSTEMS THAT WE HAD, AND THEN WORK THROUGH ATS OF THE TRUST ACT FOR ANYTHING, UH, THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S ABOUT THE, THE EXTENT OF IT. UM, DO YOU HAVE SOME, MS. COMMISSIONER? OKAY. UM, I'M TRYING TO, OR - I THINK, I THINK CHAIR, I THINK, UH, VICE, VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ HAS. YES. VICE CHAIR RAMIREZ. SO, UM, JUST RESPONDING AND STACKING A LITTLE BIT ON, UM, COMMISSIONER AGERS', UH, COMMENT. UH, WE DID, WE DID GET A PRESENTATION FROM THE COMMUNITY WITH REGARDS TO POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO STRENGTHEN, UM, THE TRUST ACT WHERE, WHERE THE COMMUNITY FELT LIKE THERE WERE POTENTIAL VULNERABILITIES THAT COULD BE EXPLOITED. UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS RECOMMENDATION IS AN ATTEMPT TO RESPOND TO THAT COMMUNITY CONCERN. WE DID ALSO INVITE APD MORE THAN ONCE TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT ANY ALPR, UM, PROGRAMS THAT THEY WERE WORKING ON DEVELOPING OR UPDATE US ON ANY OF THOSE PLANS, AND THEY SAID THEY WERE NOT READY, SO THEY WERE GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY TO BRING THAT INFORMATION TO US. UM, AND THIS IS US, UM, DOING OUR BEST TO PUT IN OUR TWO CENTS AHEAD OF ANY OF THOSE PROGRAMS BEING DEVELOPED, AS OPPOSED TO PROGRAMS BEING DEVELOPED AND US NOT HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO VOICE OUR CONCERNS. SO I THINK IT, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CHICKEN AND EGG, UM, AND THIS IS US MAKING OUR BEST EFFORT TO SORT OF, UM, LET COUNCIL KNOW HOW WE FEEL IN ADVANCE OF ANY NEW POTENTIAL PROGRAMS BEING ONBOARDED. UM, I WILL SAY THAT, AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD THIS, UM, TO THE RECOMMENDATION AS IS, BUT ONE OF MY ONGOING CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO TECHNOLOGY IS THE USE OF, UM, PERSONAL DEVICES, UM, AND HOW THOSE ARE BEING LEVERAGED BY, UM, DEPARTMENT STAFF, UM, WHILE OUT IN THE FIELD. UM, I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, UM, AUSTIN FIRE WAS USING META GLASSES, UM, AND POSTING TO SOCIAL MEDIA WHILE ON CALL. YOU COULD HEAR RADIO, UM, IN THE BACKGROUND OF THOSE CALLS. UM, THERE HAS BEEN A MARKED SHIFT IN AUSTIN FIRE'S SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS AND THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THAT IS BEING POSTED AS THEY RESPOND ACTIVELY TO INCIDENTS. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT KIND OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY, GRANTED IT IS CONSUMER AND NOT A CONTRACT THAT THE CITY CARRIES, UM, WITH META, BUT I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT THAT ISN'T BEING ADDRESSED MORE DIRECTLY, AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN A CARVE OUT IN THE EXISTING TRUST ACT FOR THOSE TYPES OF TECHNOLOGIES. SO THAT'S AN ONGOING CONCERN OF MINE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, AND I, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO ADD IT HERE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO VOICE THAT ONGOING CONCERN OF MINE. AND, AND CHRISTIAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR CONCERN, BUT I THINK THAT THE, THE PROVISION HERE TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT IT IS ALLOWED IN TERMS OF RESPONDING TO INCIDENT IS PROBABLY ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT POPULAR WITH SOME CIVIL LIBERTIES ADVOCATES SINCE IT'S TRYING TO SEEK A BALANCE THERE, BUT RATHER MAKING CLEAR THAT THE PROACTIVE USE OF TECHNOLOGIES MAY BE ALLOWED, BUT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME APPROVAL PROCESS, UM, AS ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE TRUST ACT. COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? UM, I'M, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS ALLEVIATES YOUR CONCERNS ALSO, COMMISSIONER EGGERT, BUT, UM, IT IS CERTAINLY TRUE THAT NOTHING THAT WE DO IN THIS COMMISSION IS BINDING ON ANYBODY. IT'S, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION AND, UM, AND I, I, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NEVER BEEN IN THE POSITION OF, OF CITY COUNCIL OR ANYBODY ELSE JUST READING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND SAYING, "THAT SOUNDS FABULOUS. LET'S JUST DO EXACTLY THAT." UM, SO THIS IS A BIT [00:55:01] OF AN ITERATIVE PROCESS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S HOW POLICY IS MADE, THAT FOLKS PUT OUT PROPOSALS AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, HEAR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK BEFORE THE FINAL DECISION. COMMISSIONER EGGERT? UH, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY, AND I, AND I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, I JUST, UM, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS BY SAYING, UH, AS, UH, VICE CHAIR SAID, UH, WE GAVE APD A CHANCE, BUT THEY WEREN'T READY TO WEIGH IN. AND BEFORE WE PASS ANYTHING, I, I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER A PROCESS, EVEN IF IT'S ITERATIVE, TO ALLOW THOSE THAT HAVE TO USE IT TO COME BEFORE US AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. AND, UM, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, IT, IT, IT'S NOT IN THE BEST SPIRIT OF COOPERATION AND CREATING BEST PRACTICES, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. UM, AND, AND, UM, I, I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO HAVE HAD, UM, IF THEY WEREN'T READY TO ASK THEM TO BE READY BY A PARTICULAR DATE TO COME BACK WITH SOME OF THEIR THOUGHTS BEFORE WE CONSTRUCT AN ENTIRE RESOLUTION. UM, I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR SOME CLARITY HERE, TOO, IN THAT WE HAVE HAD ONGOING POLICY DISCUSSIONS AT THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL, IN THE, UM, UH, COMMISSION PROCESS, UM, REGARDING THE LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY, WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS AND, AND WHICH THE CITY FOR A TIME AUTHORIZED AND THEN STOPPED AUTHORIZING. UM, I THINK PART OF THE CONCERN WITH, OR THE CONCERNS THAT MOTIVATE THIS RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IN, IN GENERAL, HISTORICALLY, UM, THERE IS NO PROCESS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO COME TO THIS COMMISSION AND SAY, "HEY, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY AND WE WANNA HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT LIMITS NEED TO BE ON IT." IN GENERAL, THE PROCESS IS A CONTRACT GETS SIGNED AND THE TECHNOLOGY STARTS BEING USED, AND NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS MUCH OF A SAY AT ALL ABOUT WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION IS BEING COLLECTED, HOW IT'S BEING STORED, AND HOW IT'S BEING SHARED, WHICH IS THE HISTORY FOR WHY WE GOT THE TRUST ACT, BECAUSE WE HAD A TRUST PROBLEM. UM - AND, AND I DO WANNA BE CLEAR, THIS DOES NOT APPLY JUST TO APD, BUT THIS IS FOR ALL CITY AGENCIES, AND IT ALSO DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE USE OF ANYTHING. IT JUST ASKS THAT ANYTHING GETS A- APPROVED THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS A CONTRACT. SO IF A AGENCY BELIEVES THAT IT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC, THEY JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS WITH, UM, THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. IN OTHER WORDS, HAVE IT, HAVE TO MAKE AN AFFIRMATIVE CASE FOR USING IT AS OPPOSED TO THE DEFAULT BEING TO ALLOW THE USE IF IT IS NOT A, NOT A, A ACTUAL CONTRACT. SO, UM, JUST A DIFFICULT SITUATION. I'M TRYING TO READ THE ROOM A LITTLE BIT, AND I, I SEE COMMISSIONERS EGGERS', UM, UH, POINT OF TRYING TO GET, GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO PRESENT AND GET US THE INFORMATION. UM, UH, DO WE WANNA... AND I'M GONNA NEED COMMIS... OH, I'M GONNA... LET ME FINISH THIS. I'LL GET TO YOU, VICE CHAIR, BECAUSE I'LL NEED YOUR HELP ON THIS, IS THAT, DO WE WANNA TAKE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS? 'CAUSE I KNOW ALSO THAT I THINK COMMISSIONER TAN INVOLVED THEIR COUNCILPERSON, UM, TO KIND OF LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE AND EDIT IT, UH, SOMEHOW. UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW... AGAIN, READING THE ROOM, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF DISCUSSION AMONG NEW COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVEN'T HAD, UH, LIKE, ALL THE BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED. SO, UM, VICE CHAIR AMIDAS. I WAS JUST GONNA DO A MOTION TO, UH, ADOPT AND, UH, AND SEE IF ANYBODY HAS ANY AMENDMENTS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO BRING FORWARD. SO I JUST LIKE TO BRING FORWARD A MOTION TO TAKE A VOTE. DO, DO WE WANNA VERY QUICKLY JUST RUN THROUGH THE OTHER ASPECTS JUST SO FOLKS HAVE THAT SUMMARY? I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO DO EITHER IF YOU WANT A MOTION TO VOTE, BUT... I DON'T THINK - UNLESS EVERYBODY HAS - I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS. A CHANCE TO READ, TO READ IT AND DOESN'T WANT TO. I MEAN, I THINK WHEN WE HAVE A MOTION, THAT'S WHEN WE GET TO DISCUSS, SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WAY WE DO IT. YES. COMMISSIONER ROUTAN. YEP. YEAH. SO MOTION TO, UM, OPEN THE FLOOR FOR A VOTE AND/OR DISCUSSION. SECONDED. GREAT. DO WE HAVE ANY POTENTIAL AMENDMENTS? ANY DISCUSSION, ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON ITEMS? [01:00:01] UM, I WANNA CLARIFY SOME, I WANNA CLARIFY SOMETHING WITH COMMISSIONER RUTAN, UM, BECAUSE I HAVE TO SAY I REVIEWED THIS, BUT IT WAS SEVERAL WEEKS AGO AND MY BRAIN HAS BEEN A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PLACES SINCE THEN. UM, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAY THAT THIS DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROHIBIT ANY TECHNOLOGIES. IT JUST CREATES A PROCESS THROUGH WHICH THAT THEY NEED TO, UM, GO BEFORE THE SAME PROCESS THAT A, AN ACTUAL CONTRACT WITH THE CITY WOULD GO. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THAT'S FOR THE, THE FIRST ASPECT OF IT, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT ALL THAT SHOULD BE - OKAY. UNDER THE SAME PROCESS. IS THERE ANY PART OF THIS THAT SAYS TO APD OR ANY OTHER PART OF THE CITY, THESE ARE THE TECHNOLOGIES YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY NOT ALLOWED TO USE EVER? UM, CERTAINLY ON THIS RECOMMENDATION, THAT'S ALSO NOT PART OF THE TRUST ACT. THE IDEA BOTH BEHIND THE TRUST ACT FOR THIS IS THAT THERE'S CERTAIN POTENTIALLY HIGH RISK, UM, TECHNOLOGIES AND WE MAY CHOOSE TO DO THOSE AS A COMMUNITY. WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A PROCESS TO, UM, ADOPT THOSE, BUT THEN ALSO TO HAVE A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE DATABASE THAT GETS INTO THE SECOND COMPONENT ON THERE WHERE EVERYTHING IS POSTED SO THAT WAY OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN REVIEW WHAT, WHAT HAS BEEN ADOPTED AS WELL. UM, AND AS INCLUDED PART OF THAT, AS PART OF THE TRUST ACT INCLUDES AN AUDIT TRAIL, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHO IS ACCESSING, UM, BECAUSE WE DO KNOW NATIONWIDE, THEY'RE HAVING A LOT OF CONCERNS WITH SOME OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES OF GETTING ACCESS BY, UM, INDIVIDUALS, UM, NOT THROUGH THE COURSE OF THEIR REGULAR EMPLOYMENT. UM, AND SO THERE'S A PROCESS THAT'S INVOLVED IN THERE. BUT NOTHING THAT WE ARE DOING HERE, NOR IN THE ORIGINAL TRUST ACT SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS ANY TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. IT JUST MAKES IT, UM, HAVE TO BE A INTENTIONAL PROCESS. UM, I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT ADDRESSES ANY OF COMMISSIONER EGGER'S CONCERNS. N- NOT REALLY. I, I JUST, I THINK, I FEEL, I, I, I FAIRLY FEEL THAT IF WE'RE, THAT WE SHOULD HAVE ASKED APD TO COME BACK TO US. AND I, I GET WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT I ALSO THINK SO ONLY HAVING PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMMUNITY CONCERNS, WHICH ARE IMPORTANT, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB, IS TO HEAR THOSE AND TO TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT WE ALSO HAVE, UM, AFD AND APD AND EMS HERE, AND I THINK WE OWE OUR, THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. AND I'M, I GUESS I'M CONFUSED ABOUT... OKAY. I'M, NEVERMIND. I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN IN THE SENSE THAT IT, IT SEEMS THAT WE WANNA HEAR FROM THEM WHEN WE WOULD BE TYING THEIR HANDS IN SOME WAY THAT HAS A PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT. AND I'M NOT HEARING THAT AS WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. COMMISSIONER? YEAH, JUST TO PULL ON THIS THREAD, I'M, I'M CURIOUS FOR, UH, FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO PERHAPS ARTICULATE WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE IDEAL VERSION OF THE ARGUMENT SUCH THAT A CITY AGENCY, BE IT THE PD, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR ANY OTHER AGENCY, WOULD NOT BE ON BOARD WITH EXPLAINING TO COUNCIL AND ITS CONSTITUENTS WHY THEY NEED ACCESS TO USE A PARTICULAR TECHNOLOGY? WHAT IS THE THEORETICAL REASON THAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT BASIC PROCESS OF TRANSPARENCY, KNOWING THAT ONCE YOU GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU COULD THEORETICALLY HAVE ACCESS TO USE ANY TECHNOLOGY THAT IS APPROVED THROUGH THAT PROCESS? THAT, THAT'S NOT MY OBJECTION. MY OBJECTION IS, IS THAT WE, THAT WE GOT NO INFORMATION AT ALL FOR, FROM, FROM ANY OF THEM. AND WE, WE A- ASKED FOR IT. THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T READY TO DO IT. WE RUN AHEAD AND DON'T ASK THEM TO COME BACK AND TALK TO US. IT'S NOT, IT, IT'S NOT AS YOU FRAMED IT. SO THAT, THAT'S REALLY MY OBJECTION. THERE WAS A CALL FOR A MOTION TO VOTE, VOTE. I MEAN, IT'S OKAY, BUT I FEEL IT, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION ALSO TO THOSE THAT ARE SITTING HERE AND TO REPORT TO US QUARTERLY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON AN ISSUE. THAT'S ALL. UH, CAN I, I, I, THE ONLY THING THAT'S CONFUSING ME ABOUT YOUR CONCERN, AND I AGREE WE CAN ADJUST ALL VOTE AND, AND PUT IT TO BED, IS THAT WE INVITED APD TO COME AND PRESENT ON THE LICENSE PLATE READERS ISSUE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, AND THEY WEREN'T READY TO. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY VOTING ON THE THING WE ASKED THEM TO COME TALK TO US ABOUT. SO IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND CALL FOR THE VOTE IF WE CAN. SECOND. [01:05:02] OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? UH, COMMISSIONER RUTAN, ARE YOU ABLE TO GET YOUR CAMERA ON? UM, I BELIEVE MY CAMERA IS ON. IT'S SHOWING ON FOR ME. OH, IT'S NOT ON FOR US. UM, IF YOU WANNA GIVE IT ANOTHER TRY. AND THEN WE'VE GOT... IS THAT FIVE IN FAVOR? OH. NO, NOT. ALMOST, ALMOST GOTCHA. FIVE. THERE WE GO. ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE WE GO. TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. ALL AGAINST? ONE. AND I'M GONNA ABSTAIN FROM IT. OR, I'M SORRY. AND, UH, COMMISSIONER ALVI, WERE YOU AGAINST OR ABSTAINING? I'M GONNA ABSTAIN AS WELL. OKAY. SIX. YEP. WELL, RECOMMENDATION PASSES, UH, UH, WITH SIX VOTES. AND, UM, JUST, I APPRECIATE THE LIVELY DISCUSSION, AND COMMISSIONER EGGER, YOUR CONCERNS. I SHARE THEM AS WELL, UM, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. AND VICE CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP NAVIGATING THESE WATERS. UM, THAT WAS OUR DISCUSSING ACTION. UM, FUTURE AGENDA [FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] ITEMS, WE HAVE, UH, THE EMS QUARTERLY REPORT, UM, NEXT MONTH, UH, WITH SOME MAYBE TALK ABOUT PENSIONS. UM, WE SENT APD A, A REQUEST FOR, LIKE, MENTAL HEALTH PROTOCOLS AND, AND, LIKE, OR PROCEDURES AND PROTOCOLS WHEN DEALING WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET, UM, SOME, UH, COLOR ON THAT. AND POSSIBLY MAYBE A TRAVIS COUNTY DEFENDER'S OFFICE WILL COME TO, UH, FOLLOW UP ON AN ITEM FROM A PREVIOUS MEETING. UM, TOMORROW IS ELECTION DAY. I WON'T BEMOAN ANYONE WITH THE CLICHE, THIS IS THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME, BECAUSE I'VE LIVED THROUGH 25 OF THOSE ALREADY. UM, BUT I WILL SAY THERE IS A LOT OF HEAVY IMPORTANT STUFF LOCALLY THAT I FEEL, UM, YOUR VOICE AND VOTE GETS THE MOST, UH, EFFECT OUT OF. SO, UM, I ENCOURAGE THOSE THAT HAVEN'T TO GO AHEAD AND, AND VOTE TOMORROW. UM, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. AND, UH, VICE CHAIR? UM, JUST DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM REQUESTS FROM THE FLOOR? I BELIEVE THAT I SAID THAT I WAS GONNA GET Y'ALL A, UM, REQUEST FORM REGARDING THE PRO- PROGRESS IN THE CADET TRAINING ACADEMY GENERALLY. IT'S JUST BEEN ON MY TO-DO LIST FOR A WHILE, AND I SWEAR I'M GONNA DO IT. UM, I, I WILL PIGGYBACK ONTO THAT REQUEST AND BE YOUR SECOND. IF WE CAN ALSO ADD, UM, A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FROM APD ON THE NEW, UM, COMPACTED LATERAL TRAINING, UM, MODEL THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING, THE NEW LATERAL TRAINING PROGRAM IN ADD - OKAY. AND THEN, UM, I WILL LOOK THROUGH OUR, UM, HISTORICAL MEETINGS AND SEE WHEN WE ARE DUE FOR ANOTHER WILDFIRE UPDATE, UM, AND JUST SOME OF OUR MORE REGULAR SORT OF ROTE. UM, I WILL, I WILL GO THROUGH AND LOOK THROUGH SOME OF THOSE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S COMING UP DUE. I, I, MIGHT BE TIME FOR, UM, PLANNING AT LEAST FOR, UM, WEATHER RELATED, UM, UPDATES, UM, TO SHELTERING AND SUCH. UM, THAT USUALLY IS IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, BUT IT NORMALLY TAKES A LITTLE TIME TO PLAN. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. COMMISSIONER ROUTAN? DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT, I KNOW HAS BEEN SCHEDULED YET FOR REPORTING BACK ON THE AUSTIN FIRST PILOT. DO WE HAVE THAT PLANNED OR? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT PLANNED YET, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO GET THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WRAPPED NOW, RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT, THAT THE AUSTIN 1ST PILOT IS COMPLETE NOW? THAT IS CORRECT. THE AUSTIN 1ST PILOT IS COMPLETE. THAT WOULD BE GREAT THEN. I LOOK FORWARD, WE CAN, UH, TALK THROUGH THAT IN OUR PLANNING MEETING. I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WITH MY STAFF WHAT [01:10:01] OUR RAMP UP TIME OF PULLING THAT PRESENTATION WOULD BE, BUT I'LL, I'LL ADD TO MY LIST. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THANKS, CHIEF. GO AHEAD. AND ONE OTHER QUESTION TOO. I, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE PLANNING MEETINGS OR WHATNOT, BUT I KNOW AT MULTIPLE SESSIONS THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS RAISED ABOUT THE INCREASE IN, UM, A VARIETY OF TRAFFIC STOPS AND ENFORCEMENT AND SOME OF THE DRUG OFFENSES. I, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IMPACT, UM, WHETHER THAT'S A RETURN TO BASELINE. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE WORTH HAVING SOME KIND OF A DISCUSSION LINKAGE IN TERMS OF FIGURING OUT A LITTLE BIT OF THAT BALANCE OF SAFETY FROM THE ENFORCEMENT VERSUS ANY POTENTIAL ADVERSE IMPACTS OF SOME MORE, UH, POPULATIONS BEING EXPOSED TO THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CYCLE, IF THAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT FOLKS ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME WE HAVE THE APD QUARTERLY, IT, IT COMES UP AND I THINK IT'S LOOSELY ADDRESSED, BUT IT MIGHT BENEFIT FROM A DEDICATED, UM, DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THOSE BALANCING THE, THE COMPETING COMMUNITY NEEDS. THANK YOU. I HAVE WRITTEN THAT DOWN AND AGREE. COMMISSIONER, UH, BERNHARD. SINCE, SINCE WE HAVE TWO MONTHS UNTIL APD'S NEXT QUARTERLY REPORT, I GUESS I WANTED TO PUT IT ON OUR RADAR TO MAYBE CHECK IN... COULD WE HAVE A CHECK-IN AT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE'LL BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE DATA PRESENTATION, UM, ALONG THE LINES OF COMMISSIONER SIERRA AREVALO'S CONCERNS? AND I'M AFRAID SOMEBODY'S GONNA ASK ME TO ARTICULATE THOSE AND I'D REALLY RATHER HAVE HIM DO IT. SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT CENTERED AROUND PROVIDING COMPARATORS WITH OTHER MAJOR CITIES. AND THE BIGGEST HURDLE WITH THAT IS GOING TO BE WHEN DO OTHER CITIES REPORT OUT? HOW DO THEY CAPTURE THEIR DATA? AND SO WE, WE... I TOOK THOSE NOTES. WE WENT BACK. I, I TALKED TO THE DATA AND ANALYTICS FOLKS. THEY ACTUALLY SIT IN THE BACK AND TAKE NOTES AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS TO TRY TO, TO BE PREEMPTIVE. UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST HURDLE IS, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THAT WHEN WE TRY TO LOOK AT PEER CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. I THINK ALSO IT WAS A RAW COUNT VERSUS PERCENTAGE COUNT AS WELL, IF I'M CORRECT. UH, COMMISSIONER SIERRA REVELO, DO YOU REMEMBER? YEAH, THE, ONE OF THE SPECIFIC ASKS, UM, I DON'T THINK THE CITY COMPARES, UM, BUT, UH, I WAS TALKING ABOUT REPORTING NOT JUST THE RAW FREQUENCIES, WHICH I THINK IS WHAT'S BEEN IN THE REPORTS FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION, WHICH IS JUST THE NUMBER OF GIVEN INCIDENTS THAT OCCUR, BUT RATES, UH, AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT RATES SHOULD WE USE. YOU CAN USE PER 10 HUN - 10,000 PER 100,000 AND THE CITIES THAT I THINK THE APD HAS SUGGESTED AS THEIR COMPARISON CASES PROBABLY PROVIDE REALLY GOOD EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF POPULATION BENCHMARKS THAT WOULD BE REASONABLY REPORTED IN SUCH A THING. UM, SO YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT FREQUENCIES VERSUS RATES. UM, I THINK THE QUESTION CAME UP LAST TIME, DO YOU, SO DO YOU JUST WANT THE RATES AND NOT THE FREQUENCY? THE SHORT ANSWER IS BOTH IS BETTER FOR INTERPRETATION OF THESE THINGS, EASY ENOUGH TO ADD A RATE IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THE FREQUENCY. UH, I WILL ADD ONE THING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION LAST TIME. UM, I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR CLEARANCE RATES, AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF REPEATED, UH, REASONS WHY, BECAUSE CASES CAN EXTEND FOR A LONG TIME AND CLEARANCE CAN BE CLEARANCE BY ARREST. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER WAYS TO GET CLEARANCE. I AM SYMPATHETIC, MORE SYMPATHETIC THAN MOST AS TO THE SPECIFICS OF WHY CLEARANCE RATES CAN BE DIFFICULT TO CALCULATE. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MEANS THAT WE JUST DON'T REPORT ANY CLEARANCE RATES. UM, IN FACT, GIVEN THAT THE APD HAS DONE SUCH A GREAT JOB IN RECENT YEARS CLEARING HOMICIDES, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT A SPOTLIGHT ON, JUST HOW HIGH OUR CLEARANCE RATES ARE FOR THINGS LIKE HOMICIDE, UH, PARTICULARLY IN RECENT YEARS. SO I'LL JUST, UH, ECHO WHAT I'VE ASKED, UM, PRIOR REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APD FOR SEVERAL YEARS, WHICH IS BASIC CLEARANCE RATES FOR... I KNOW THAT WE DON'T USE THE UCR CATEGORIES ANYMORE, BUT HOMICIDE, RAPE, AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, ROBBERY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE STUFF THAT WAS ALL PART OF UCR PART ONE. I KNOW THAT THESE ARE NOW CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS, BUT YOU TAKE MY POINT, CLEARANCE RATES WOULD BE GREAT. WE'RE ALL GONNA BE, BREAK EVERYBODY'S HEART. I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU. WE'LL GET IT DONE. THA- THANK YOU. I THINK IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CLEARANCE RATES AND, AND, AND I THINK IF WE FOCUS IN ON CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS, A LOT OF THE CONCERNS MAYBE ARE LESS SUBSTANTIAL THAT, LIKE, THAT'S REALLY WHAT PEOPLE WANNA KNOW IS SORT OF WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME. UM, AND I, AND I KNOW, [01:15:01] AND THIS IS PROBABLY DATED, BUT THE FBI DOES, I THINK, WHEN THEY DO THEIR SORT OF NATIONWIDE ASSESSMENTS, USE A RATE OF SORT OF CRIME PER 100,000, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER. THANK YOU, CHIEF. I APPRECIATE IT. I SAW THAT COMMISSIONER ALVEY HAD SOMETHING AS WELL. THANK YOU. YES. UH, I'D REALLY LIKE SOME INFORMATION, UM, ON TRAFFIC OFFENSES, UH, TRAFFIC RELATED STOPS THAT ARE NOT JUST, UM, IN RELATION TO DRUG OFFENSES, BUT JUST AS A WHOLE IN GENERAL. I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, SPEEDING, LANE CHANGES, ET CETERA, JUST, JUST TO CAPD'S ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SECOND THAT, AND THEN I'LL WORK WITH YOU TO GET AN AGENDA ITEM, UH, SET UP. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? NOPE. WELL, THANK YOU EVERYONE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UH, ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 5:16. UM, THIS MONDAY, WE JUST WISH EVERYONE A, A HAPPY THANKSGIVING AT THE END OF THE MONTH AND, UM, GO AND VOTE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.