* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] UH, IT IS [Call to Order] 2:09 PM WE ARE CONVENING. I'M CONVENING THE MEETING OF THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND YOUR PLAN AGAIN, CHAIR WITH VICE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER COSAR AND AMIR PRETENDERS AND COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON PRESENT VIRTUALLY. UM, [Item 1] WE WILL JUMP RIGHT IN. UH, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVING THE MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 10TH AND FROM THE SPECIAL CALLED MEETING FROM APRIL 30TH. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES THAT WAS, REMEMBER HARPER MADISON MOVES THE MAYOR PRO TEM SECONDS WITHOUT OBJECTION. THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. ALSO, CITIZENS COMMUNICATION WAS OPEN FOR SIGN UP UNTIL NOON ON FRIDAY AS WAS POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE. BUT NO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL COMMUNICATION. [Item 2] LET US MOVE RIGHT INTO ITEM NUMBER TWO. YOU MUNICIPAL COURT RELOCATION PRESENTATION. AND I ASSUME THAT OUR AMAZING IT STAFF HAS MR GALE'S PRESENTATION. OKAY. AND THAT ALEX IS ON THE LINE. I AM HERE. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. I DON'T SEE THE PRESENTATION. ARE YOU GUYS, ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE IT? WE DO NOT SEE IT YET. WE DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION UP YET. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT NOW? OKAY. YES, PLEASE. IT SHOULD BE CALLED, UM, JUDICIAL COMMITTEE PRESENTATION. SORRY. IT PROBABLY WASN'T TITLED, UH, OPPOSITE OF REAL ESTATE SERVICES OR SPOKE COURT RELOCATION UPDATE. BUT, UM, DAVID, FIVE 11, 2020 IT IS UP NOW. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I'M NOT ABLE TO SEE IT ON MY SCREEN. UM, BUT I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND, UH, HOLD ON. I'LL GET IT AND SHARE IT. HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT. THERE WE GO. YEAH. COLLEAGUES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN SEE IT. I CAN'T, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. OKAY. OH YEAH. ALTHOUGH I WILL TAKE THIS TIME TO REMIND EVERYONE ON THE STAFF LINE AND EACH OTHER TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU STAY MUTED IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING. HOPEFULLY WE WON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BUT IT'S FUN HEARING PEOPLE YELL AT THEIR KIDS. JUST KIDDING. OKAY, ALEX, WE CAN SEE THE PRESENTATION NOW. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE IT. I'LL, UH, I'LL, BUT I HAVE MY VERSION UP IN FRONT OF ME. I'LL JUST, UH, OH, JUST, JUST AS A REMINDER FOR STAFF, YOU ARE ON DELAY SO YOU WON'T SEE IT AS QUICKLY AS WE SEE IT. JUST MAKE A NOTE OF WHAT SLIDE YOU'RE ON AND WE'LL JUST SYNCHRONIZE IT UP. THANK YOU. UH, AGAIN. SO, UH, ALEX GAIL, THE INTERIM OFFICER FOR THE OFFICE OF REAL ESTATE SERVICES. I DO, UH, WHAT'S ON THE LINE WITH ME. I THINK IT WAS MARCUS, IT'S A DOOR CHECK FROM OUR OFFICE AS WELL. UM, AND WE WANTED TO GIVE THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT THE UPDATE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT RELOCATION AS WELL AS SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS RELATED TO A RESOLUTION PASSED IN 2018 OF FEBRUARY. UM, THE FIRST SLIDE IS JUST A COUNCIL DIRECTION, UH, WHICH DIRECTED STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IDENTIFYING OPTIONS, INCLUDING ELITES FOR THE MUNICIPAL COURT, UH, DEVELOP RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL COURT SITE AND THEN IDENTIFY OPTIONS RELOCATING DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT. MOVING ON THE SLIDE NUMBER THREE, UM, A QUICK RECAP OF LOOKING FOR THE NEW SPACE FOR THE AUSTIN MUNICIPAL COURT. BACK IN OCTOBER OF 2018, COUNCIL DID APPROVE, UH, STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, AT LEASE AGREEMENT, 10 YEAR LEASE AGREEMENT WITH A 10 YEAR OPTION FOR 96,000 SQUARE FEET AT 6,800 BULLETS IN THE ROAD, UH, KNOWN AS THE BERGSTROM THE TECH CENTER. UM, THE PLAN COMPLETION WAS FOR MARCH 2ND, 2020. UM, THERE WAS PLANNED TO BE FIRST JURY DUTY ON MARCH 23RD, 2020. UH, AND WE HAD ALSO BEEN LOOKING FOR NORTH PAYMENT CENTER, UH, TO RELOCATE THE CURRENT POLICE SUBSTATION, [00:05:01] UH, AS WELL AS A NORTH REGIONAL FACILITY THAT WE'VE, UM, PAUSED ON UNTIL UM, THE LEASE TERM AT THE BURCHAM TECH LOCATION, UH, GETS FURTHER TOWARDS ENDING THAT LIFE CYCLE. UM, NEXT SLIDE FOUR IS JUST SUM UP AN UPDATE OF THE PROGRESS ON THE NEW, THE NEW MUNICIPAL COURT SPACE. THE OCCUPANCY OF THE SPACE HAS BEEN DELAYED DUE TO COBIT 19. UH, AND OF COURSE, MUNICIPAL COURT STAFF IS ON THE CALL AS WELL AND CAN PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL UPDATES. BUT, UM, ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND ALL OF THE PERMITTING HAS BEEN APPROVED. THE MOVING STARTED AT THE END OF FEBRUARY. UH, WE DID RECEIVE THE KEYS, UH, MARCH, EARLY MARCH, UH, AND SMALL GROUPS HAD BEEN, UH, HOLDING OPERATIONS, UH, AT THE OLD LOCATION, UM, UNTIL MARCH 18TH. AND THEN ALL MOVING WAS COMPLETED ON MARCH 19TH. UH, AND OCCUPANCY IS SCHEDULED, UM, FOR THE JUNE 1ST ANTICIPATION OF THE, UH, THE WORK STAY HOMEWORK, SAFE ORDERS BEING ENDED. BUT OF COURSE, ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN CHANGE DUE TO THE DAY TO DAY FLUCTUATIONS OF THE CURRENT PANDEMIC. UM, SLIDE FIVE. THE NEXT SLIDES ARE JUST, UH, SOME PICTURES OF THE NEW FACILITY. SO THEN ON SLIDE FIVE, YOU CAN SEE, UM, IF I'M MOVING TOO FAST, JUST LET ME KNOW TO SLOW DOWN. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LONGER LOOK AT THE PICTURES, UH, THAT IS THE, THE PARKING LOT AND THE FRONT OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT. MOVING ON TO SLIDE SIX IS THE SECURED PARKING THANK UH, AND ENTRANCE, UH, OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT SITE. SO THERE IS SECURED PARKING FOR THE STAFF ON SITE. SLIDE SEVEN IS AN INTERIOR SHOT OF THE COURTROOM LOBBY SHOWING THE THREE, UH, COURTROOMS, UH, ENTRANCES FROM THE, FROM THE LOBBY, A LITTLE BIT OF A WAITING AREA AND, UM, WINDOW INTAKE THERE. SLIDE EIGHT IS COURTROOM, THE INTERIOR OF COURTROOM ONE SHOWING THE BENCHES AS WELL AS THE RAISED, UH, JUDGES BENCH, UH, AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM. UM, SLIDE NINE IS THE FRONT ENTRANCE. LOOKING BACK AT THE FRONT ENTRANCE WITH THE PAYMENT WINDOWS. YOU CAN SEE THEM NUMBERED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UH, FOR INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE PAYMENTS, UM, AT, AT THOSE DIFFERENT PAIN PAY WINDOWS. UM, SLIDE 10 IS THE SUPPORT SERVICES WORK AREA WORK AREA, SO YOU CAN SEE DOES HAVE, UM, THE, THE WORKSTATIONS WITH UH, THE MOUNTED MONITORS AND SUCH FOR THE SPORTS SERVICE STAFF OF THE AUSTIN MUNICIPAL COURT. SLIDE 11. AS A STAFF BREAK ROOM WITHIN THE FACILITY, UH, YOU CAN SEE A BIT OF LIKE A RAISED COUNTER, UM, BREAK BREAK ROOM TABLES AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, REFRIGERATOR VENDING MACHINES, UH, FOR THE STAFF, UH, TO, TO UTILIZE FOR OUR BREAK ROOM SPACE. UM, SLIDE 12 AS A STAFF TRAINING ROOM, UM, FOR US IN MUNICIPAL COURT, THE WHOLE TRAININGS WITH OUR STAFF OF COURSE. AND THEN SLIDE 13 IS, UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE SPACE, SO YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A WAITING AREA, A CONFERENCE ROOM TO THE INTERIOR AS WELL AS, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, WORKSTATIONS AND OFFICES OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE SPACE AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, MUNICIPAL COURT IS VERY PROUD OF THE SPACE AND, UH, OF COURSE IT HAS TAKEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO WORK THROUGH ONCE COUNCIL APPROVED THIS. BUT, UH, OUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, DID A, DID A GREAT JOB ON, UH, GETTING THIS TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND, AND GETTING, UM, THE MUNICIPAL COURT STAFF MOVED IN THERE. UM, OF COURSE THERE'S SOME SMALL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, BUT WE'VE, UH, STILL BECAUSE IT'S NEW, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH A COUPLE OF LITTLE HICCUPS AS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS SPACE, BUT REALLY PROUD OF, UH, WHAT OUR STAFF WORKING WITH THE NEWEST FULL COURT STAFF AND PUBLIC WORKS AND, AND GET, UH, GETTING EVERYTHING PUT TOGETHER IN ORDER TO GET EVERYBODY INTO THIS SPACE. LET ME JUST, ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT COMPONENT? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UM, [00:10:01] IT IS, IT WAS A LONG JOURNEY TO GET HERE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU COUNT THE YEARS WHERE THE COURT WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO GET A NEW FACILITY. UM, IT IS, IT IS EXCITING AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF, OF THE WORK THIS COMMITTEE DID TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE NO FANCY RIBBON CUTTINGS DURING THIS TIME. UM, HOPEFULLY AT SOME POINT WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT WORK. I THINK AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE OR IF OR IF ON A WEBPAGE SOMEWHERE TO HAVE PHOTOS OF WHAT THE FACILITY WAS THAT, THAT WE LEFT SO YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF JUST HOW DIRE THINGS WERE IN THE CURRENT COURT TO SEE, UM, HOW THIS IS BETTER, NOT JUST FOR OUR STAFF, ALTHOUGH IT'S DRAMATICALLY BETTER FOR THE STAFF BUT ALSO FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT IS OFTEN NOT IN THE BEST OF MOODS WHEN THEY HAVE TO COME TO MUNICIPAL COURT. BUT TO HAVE A FACILITY THAT IS CLEAN AND EFFICIENT, UM, CAN AT LEAST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF SAFETY AND CALMNESS IN A, IN A DIFFICULT MOMENT. SO I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THIS FACILITY COME TOGETHER CAUSE MY BARBER MADISON, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? THANK YOU JIMMY. I'M THANK YOU. UH, CHAIR OF PLANNING. AND YOU SAID SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING OF ALREADY, CAUSE I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE BEFORE PICTURES AND THE BEFORE AND AFTER. IT'S REALLY IMPACTFUL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE SAYING TO THE COMMUNITY, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE THIS BETTER FOR THIS SYSTEM AND FOR THIS PROCESS. BUT I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THERE WERE NO TRASH CANS. UM, AND UH, IMAGES NUMBER SEVEN, NINE AND OTHERS LIKE WHERE DO PEOPLE PUT TRASH? SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO SHUT DOWN THE SHOW. SORRY. UM, ALEX. SO GO AHEAD MARY JANE. SORRY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS TRYING TO GET ON MUTED. UM, I CAN'T SEE THE PRESENTATION BUT I DID LOOK AT IT BEFORE THIS. SO I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE WORK AREAS. UM, THOSE PICTURES MAY BE WHEN WE FIRST MOVED IN, BUT ALL OF THE DESKS HAVE TRASH CANS AND RECYCLE THEN UNDER THEM NOW. AND THIS IS ALEX AGAIN AND I KNOW THE PICTURES THERE IS, YOU CAN, THERE'S ONE VISIBLE, UH, AND, AND SEVEN, UH, DOWN BY PORTLAND THREE. UM, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH TRASH CANS, UH, FOR THAT FOR WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S NEEDED THERE. THANK YOU, ALEX. JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE ON SLIDE 14, RIGHT? SLIDE 14. UM, SO JUST TO CIRCLE BACK ON A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT COUNCIL HAD ASKED US BACK IN FEBRUARY, 2018, ITEM TWO, UH, WAS THE FUTURE USE OF THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL COURT BUILDING. UM, WE DID HAVE A STUDY DONE IN 2012 BUT THAT PUT THE CONDITION RATING AT 68% AND 1.7 MILLION IN DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. AND WE CAN, WE HAVEN'T UPDATED THAT, BUT WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT IT IS OF COURSE FALLING INTO SOME MORE, UH, MORE ADDITIONAL DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THAT. AND IN A WORST CONDITION RATING, WE'VE, WE'VE BASICALLY BEEN, UH, WHEN I SAY WE BUILDING SERVICES, WORKING WITH MUNICIPAL COURT, UH, TRYING TO, TO KIND OF BANDAID THAT FACILITY. WE DID HAVE AN UPDATED CVRE REPORT COMPLETED, UH, LAST YEAR, UH, AND IT DID RECOMMEND FURTHER STUDY OF THAT PROPERTY AND, AND WORKING WITH THE APD HEADQUARTERS PROPERTY OF HOW, UH, THAT SITE MAY BE, UH, VISIONED, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO DO SOME SORT OF GROUND LEASE REDEVELOPMENT OR SALE OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND OVERALL BECAUSE THOSE TWO SIDES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE WALNUT CREEK TAX INCREMENT FINANCING ZONE, UH, WE WOULD WANT TO TAKE THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. UH, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THAT BEING SAID, WE, THIS ISN'T ON OUR, UM, IT'S OF COURSE IT'S ON OUR TO DO LIST AS PART OF THAT CBR RE, EXCUSE ME, THAT CBR REWROTE FORWARD. BUT WE, WE'VE, WE HAVE SOME OTHER, UH, UH, FACILITIES THAT WE ARE, HAVE PUT HIGHER ON THE PRIORITY, UH, THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAPITALIZE ON THOSE AS, AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR FACILITIES PLAN. UM, ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT? THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL COURT BUILDING, SORRY, I DON'T MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. AND OF COURSE YOU, YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS AT THE END AS WELL. SO ITEM THREE WAS DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT, UH, AND LOOKING FOR A NEW, UM, FACILITY FOR THEM, WHETHER IT'S A [00:15:01] LEASE OR PURCHASE. UH, WE DID CONSIDER MULTIPLE OPTIONS WHEN LOOKING FOR REPLACEMENTS. I KNOW WHEN WE PRESENTED THAT DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT, UM, LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, AND I THINK IT WAS EVEN BROUGHT UP IN A WORK SESSION AS WELL. UM, BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT SHORT, SHORT AND MIDTERM OPTIONS, UH, WHICH WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING AND NEGOTIATING A POTENTIAL LEASE WITH AN OPTION TO PURCHASE ON EAST SECOND STREET. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE LAST, UM, JUDICIAL COMMITTEE UPDATE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE. AND AS FOR THE LONGTERM, WHAT WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING IS OF COURSE A PURCHASE OF, UH, OF, OF THE LEASE FACILITY AS THE LONGTERM OPTION. UH, AND THEN POTENTIALLY THE ACQUISITION FOR BUILDING A LOAN FACILITY, UH, POTENTIALLY CO-LOCATED WITH OTHER, UH, SERVICES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT DOES HAVE THAT JURISDICTION THAT THEY FALL IN. UM, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF COURSE, ARE THE, THE INCREASED COSTS TO PURCHASE, BUILD AND LEASE. UM, SO ALL THOSE THINGS WE'VE HAD TO BE LOOKING AT, UH, AS YOU LOOK AT DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT PRICES, UH, WHEN LOOKING TO, TO BUY, UH, EITHER A LAND AND BUILD OR BUY A FACILITY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURTS, SPECIAL NEEDS, UM, SPECIFIC FUNCTIONS THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO HAVE. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, COURTROOMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEN THERE ISN'T TYPICALLY A SITE AVAILABLE, UH, THAT WE CAN JUST TAKE OVER. UH, AND, AND WE'LL BE READY TO BE USED, UH, FOR THAT DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT. SO FOLLOWING ON TO SLIDE 16, UH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN PURSUING IS THAT LEASE AGREEMENT ON EAST SECOND STREET. UH, IT DOES HAVE A PURCHASE OR WHEN NEGOTIATING AN OPTION TO PURCHASE THAT. WE HAVE BEEN, UH, IN MULTIPLE MEETINGS. OF COURSE A WEEKLY STAFF HAS BEEN MEETING, UH, WITH THE LANDLORD ON THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURTS DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. UH, THE FACILITY WOULD BE ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH A MODERN DESIGN. IT WOULD BE A 10 YEAR, UH, NEW, THE TERM OF AGREEMENT WOULD BE A 10 YEAR TRIPLE NET LEASE WITH A PURCHASE OPTION, BUT WOULD BE A TURNKEY FACILITY. SO AS PART OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT, THE LANDLORD WOULD DO THE FULL BUILD OUT AS UH, AS REQUIRED BY, UH, DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURTS DESIGN REQUIREMENTS. THE FACILITY WOULD HOUSE UP TO, WOULD HAVE UP TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET WITH ALL THE AMENITIES THAT YOU WOULD NEED. UH, IT'S, UH, IT WOULD BE A THREE STORE BUILDING WAS UNDERGROUND PARKING AND OF COURSE IT WOULD BE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AS THE CITY SHUTTLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING, UH, WITH ALL THESE NEWER FACILITIES THAT WE'RE BRINGING ON, UH, AT BEN WHITE, AT BERGSTROM TECH, UM, THE BRODY OAKS LOCATION, BASICALLY HAVING A CITY SHUTTLE CONNECTING ALL OF THOSE TO CITY HALL, UM, AND UH, THE LIBRARY AND ALL THOSE OTHER FACILITIES, UH, AS WELL AS EVEN WITH, UH, THE PERMITTING AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER AT THE HIGHLAND MALL, LACEY STREET. UH, AND THEN SLIDE 17, JUST TO GIVE A, AN UPDATE OF THE TIMELINE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. UH, OF COURSE WE'RE CURRENTLY NEGOTIATING, UH, THOSE, UH, THOSE LEASE TERMS. WE'RE HOPING TO GET TO A FINAL DESIGN, WHICH WOULD THEN ALLOW US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE, WHAT THE COSTS WOULD BE. UH, ONE THING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS BECAUSE THIS IS, UM, BASICALLY BUILD OUT OF, OF THE FACILITY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COSTS. WE DO EXPECT THE COST TO BE, TO BE, UM, TO REFLECT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, FOR, FOR THIS LANDLORD TO DO THAT BUILD OUT, THERE'S GOING TO BE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND IT'S GOING TO BE, UH, YOU KNOW, A 10 YEAR LEASE. AND SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE A COSTS, UH, FOR THE SLEEVES FOR THEM TO DO THE BUILD OUT FOR THAT. WE ANTICIPATE, HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THOSE FINALIZED DESIGNS TO HOPEFULLY GET SOMETHING ON, UM, THE COUNCIL AGENDA AND, AND BY THE END OF JUNE, UH, THAT WE COULD GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TO, UM, SEE IF THEY APPROVE US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS NEW SITES. UH, WE WOULD THEN EXECUTE THE LEASE IN JULY, 2020, UH, ASSUMING WE DO GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL IN JUNE, UM, THE, THE DEVELOPER SLASH LANDLORD OWNER WOULD, UH, GO THROUGH THEIR PERMITTING PROCESS, GET THE PERMITTING AND AUGUST, 2020 AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE ANSWERED IS ESTIMATED AT 1218 MONTH CONSTRUCTION [00:20:01] PERIOD, WHICH PUTS YOU OUT TIL ABOUT FEBRUARY, 2022 WITH, UH, A POTENTIAL MOVE IN. AND MARCH, 2222 SO YOU'RE ALMOST AT A FULL TWO YEARS, UH, ESSENTIALLY FROM THIS PRESENTATION. UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY 20 MONTHS OR SO, OR 22 MONTHS ESSENTIALLY, UH, FROM, FROM THIS PRESENTATION IF EVERYTHING OF COURSE GOES TO PLAN A, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, UH, AS A POTENTIAL MOVE IN FOR DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT. UH, AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE IS OF COURSE IT'S JUST THE JURISDICTION WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE LAST PRESENTATION AS WELL. UM, BUT WITH THAT, THAT WAS THE END OF THE PRESENTATION AND WOULD BE OPEN TO ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS. UM, ALEX ON YOUR, IN YOUR TIMELINE WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT LEASE NEGOTIATIONS, FINALIZING DESIGN, THEN GETTING COUNCIL APPROVAL IN JUNE. ALRIGHT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THERE ARE STILL SOME FOLKS WITH SOME RESERVATIONS. JUDGE COFFEY HAS SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE, ABOUT THE SIDE. I'VE SHARED WITH YOU MY RESERVATIONS. I KNOW SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE. MMM. IT IS, IT IS DIFFICULT AS YOU HAVE SAID BEFORE IN THIS, IN THIS COMMITTEE TO FIND THE RIGHT LOCATION DOWNTOWN AND DOWNTOWN HAS HIGHER COSTS THAT ARE, ET CETERA. BUT IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE, THE ITEM, WHAT IS THE ITEM THAT WOULD COME TO THE COUNCIL MEETING IN JUNE? SO IT WOULD BE BASICALLY A NOT TO EXCEED COST AND THE TERMS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO NEGOTIATE UP TO THIS POINT OR UP TO THAT POINT IN JUNE. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT, BUT WE TRY TO GET THE AGREEMENT, UH, AT LEAST CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A TERM SHEET OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE DEAL MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH DOING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITY AND THE LEASE, UH, FOR THAT 10 YEAR LEASE WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND SO BASICALLY BRINGING, UM, THOSE TERMS AND THAT NOT TO EXCEED COSTS. COMING TO COUNCIL AND SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE RCA WOULD, WOULD ASK FOR IS APPROVAL TO, UH, NEGOTIATE MEXICAN CUTIE A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER. OKAY. UM, I, I WANNA KEEP TALKING ABOUT THIS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT JUDGE COFFEE OR YOU ARE TALKING TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL WHO MAY NOT BE TRACKING THIS AS CLOSELY AS THE COMMITTEE IS SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IN ADVANCE AND DON'T FIND OURSELVES IN THAT SITUATION WHERE THE COUNCIL FEELS LIKE WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE SO MUCH WORK HAS GONE INTO IT ALREADY. THAT WAS, REMEMBER COSTAR. REMIND ME. SO, UM, WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE, THE POTENTIAL OF THE BOTTOM OF THE FAULT, THE CHALLENGE, WHAT THE LATEST CHALLENGE THAT WE FACED WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE COULD ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THIS INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING WHILE WE WERE DOING CONSTRUCTION AT THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. WAS THAT THE LATEST MAJOR CHALLENGE THAT WE FACED IN THAT DISCUSSION OR WAS THERE A DIFFERENT ONE? I FORGET. I FORGET. JUST CAUSE IT FEELS LIKE SO MUCH HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN. NO, I AGREE. AND I, THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. THE OTHER CHALLENGE I THINK TOO WAS, WAS THE, THE FOOTPRINT AS WELL. I THINK THE SIZE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THE SPACE I THINK. AND OF COURSE I KNOW, UH, PETE VALDEZ AND JUDGE COFFEE CAN HOP ON, BUT FOR SOME REASON I WANT TO SAY WE WERE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY 25,000 SQUARE FOR THE PROGRAMMATIC THINGS THAT DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT NEEDED. AND I THINK THERE WAS A CHALLENGE WITH THAT FIRST FLOOR OF THE FALL TO MEET THAT AS WELL AS YES. YEAH. OUR, OUR MINIMUM WOULD BE 20,000 SQUARE FEET. OUR MINIMUM, THE MINIMUM AMOUNT THAT WE WOULD NEED WOULD BE 20,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THE BOTTOM FLOOR OF THE FOLK IS HOW BIG I'D HAVE TO GO BACK. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER AND BE INCORRECT, BUT YOU KNOW, FROM MY, MY REMEMBERING OF WHAT WE DID IS THAT I THINK IT WAS AROUND A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT THE PROGRAMMATIC REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR DOC. UM, AS WELL AS JUST THE CHALLENGES OF PUTTING BACK IN THERE WHILE THE, WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION WAS GOING ON AS WELL AS, UM, JUST SOME OF THE, THE UH, THE PUSHBACK THAT I'VE JUST, YOU KNOW, HEARD AND I KNOW OF COURSE COUNSEL CAN, CAN REDIRECT US, BUT JUST FROM THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION WANTING TO USE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, THE HISTORICAL [00:25:02] ARTIFACTS AND ARCHIVES OF, OF THIS CITY. OH, I MEAN IN THE END, RIGHT? WE ALL, WE HAVE TO ARBITRATE THAT IF THE, I THINK WHERE WE LEFT OFF, IF I REMEMBER IT RIGHT, IS THAT WE WANTED TO SEE THE SIDE BY SIDE COSTS BECAUSE IF, IF, IF WE CAN SOLVE THE STAGING ISSUE, UM, THROUGH ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, THAT MIGHT STILL BE MUCH LESS MONEY THAN POTENTIALLY HAVING TO BUILD A BUILDING ENTIRELY FROM SCRATCH, LEASE IT, AND THEN LONGTERM LOOK AT BUILDING ANOTHER BUILDING OR LEASING ANOTHER BUILDING OR EXCITING TO STAY THERE. AND IF WE'RE JUST BUILDING THIS NEW BUILDING AND DECIDING WE'RE GOING TO STAY THERE, THEN WE SHOULD DISCUSS THIS AS THE PERMANENT HOME FOR THE DECK, NOT AS A SHORTER MIDDLE TERM THING. SO AGAIN, I FEEL I WOULD REALLY WANT LAID OUT FOR US THE COSTS VERSUS THE COST OF DOING IT THIS WAY COMPARED TO THE COST OF FIGURING OUT HOW TO FIT IT IN THE BOTTOM OF THE FALL. UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE MIGHT BE ADDITIONAL COSTS, WE MIGHT HAVE TO LEASE SOME LAND NEARBY OR LEASE A PARKING LOT NEARBY FOR STAGING OR DO OTHER THINGS. I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE ARE WAY MORE COMPLICATED CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT OCCUR ALL ACROSS THE CITY ALL THE TIME. MORE COMPLICATED THAN FIGURING OUT HOW TO RETROFIT THE TOP END BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME. SO I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO KNOW. BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE IS A COST OF HAVING TO DO THIS TWICE AS OPPOSED TO JUST ONCE ON A CITY OWNED AND IT'S GOTTA. THERE'S GOTTA BE SOME COST SAVINGS ABOUT IT BEING ALREADY OUR LAND AND ARE ALREADY A BUILT BUILDING RATHER THAN SOMEBODY ELSE'S LAND AND A NEW BUILDING. SO ANYWAY, YEAH, IF WE JUST FIT AND IF WE JUST CAN'T DO IT, THAT'S FINE. BUT IF IT'S A POLITICAL QUESTION OF PEOPLE DISAGREE ABOUT WHERE IT SHOULD BE, THEN WE SHOULD HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US. COUNCIL MEMBER IS MICHAEL COFFEE. UM, I, MY NAME'S MARIA, I JUST WANT TO, YEAH, MY NAME MARIE IS THE WAR. UH, EACH OF THE FLOORS, THE BUILDING ARE ABOUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET ROUGHLY. UM, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN ABOUT 4,900 SQUARE. WHAT WAS THE IDEA WE'VE HAD IS TRYING TO PUT ALL OF OUR GROUP TOGETHER BECAUSE RIGHT NOW OUR CASE MANAGERS ARE HAVING TO WORK IN ANOTHER ROOM, ASIAN. UM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT HAS TO BE, THAT WOULD BREAK SOME EFFICIENCIES FOR US TO DO THAT. UM, I JUST WANTED TO SORT OF GIVE Y'ALL SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, MY BIGGEST CONCERN, THE BUILDING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ON THE EAST SIDE IS WONDERFUL FOR ALL OF THEM. THINGS THAT WE NEED EXCEPT FOR THE LOCATION I THINK IS DIFFICULT. UM, IF THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT THIS COURT EXPANDING THE BIGGER PARTS OF THE CITY, THAT MAY NOT MAKE AS MUCH DIFFERENCE. BUT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE ARE MUCH CLOSER INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREAS AND ARE NOT EASILY ABLE TO MOVE. NOW IF WE'VE GOT A SHUTTLE SYSTEM GOING, IT CAN PICK EVERYBODY UP AND MOVE EVERYBODY EFFICIENTLY. MAYBE THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT PROBLEM. THAT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THEORY YEARS AGO AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION. I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT MORE RECENTLY. ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT INFLAMMATION IN A COUNCIL MEMBER FLAT AGAIN AND CONCERN BROUGHT UP CONCERNS. I HAVE NO, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S THE DOWNTOWN AUSTIN COMMUNITY COURT AND HAVING IT IN THE ACTUAL DOWNTOWN AREA MAKES SOME SENSE. SO AGAIN, MR GAIL, IF, IF, IF, IF WE, EVEN IF WE HAD TO LOOK AT, OKAY, WHAT IS BUILDING OUT 14,000 SQUARE FEET LOOK LIKE AND THEN STILL LEASING OUT ANOTHER TWO OR 3000 SQUARE FEET FOR CASE MANAGERS OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE COST COMPARISONS. IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE MAKING A DECISION BASED ON MULTIPLE OPTIONS. AND SO IT'S, IT'S HARD TO MAKE A JUDGMENT AND WE CAN EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT. I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE OF COURSE MORE TIME BECAUSE WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS GET WITH PUBLIC WORKS AND GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE COSTS WOULD BE TO DO THAT WORK AT, UH, AT THE FALK AS WELL AS, UH, THE TIMELINE, UH, FOR THEM TO GO OUT TO BID AND HAVE THAT WORK COMPLETED AS WELL. UM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, WE REAL ESTATE, I HAVEN'T ENGAGED ANYBODY. I DON'T THINK, [00:30:01] UH, ANYBODY ELSE HAS DONE THAT WORK EITHER JUDGE COFFEE. DOES THAT SEEM WORTH IT TO YOU FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO MOVE INTO THE FALL CONSTRUCT? YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTH IT. I KNOW REAL ESTATE HAS DONE A LOT OF WORK AND THEY'VE DONE SOME GREAT WORK FOR US. WHAT I THOUGHT FOR A LONG TIME BLOCK LOCATION OR HELL SOUTH BUILDING WAS ANOTHER LOCATION THAT EVER BECAME ELIGIBLE. THAT WOULD BE MORE IDEAL OF A LOCATION. I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO KNOW NOW. HONESTLY. AND OF COURSE, I KNOW YOU ALL ARE AWARE AND WE CAN, WE CAN TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, UH, IT JUST MAY HURT OUR NEGOTIATIONS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF COURSE WE CAN DO THAT. BUT, UM, WITH THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING TO GET US TO THIS POINT WITH THIS, THIS LEASE, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY JUST HAVE TO ALMOST START ALL OVER AGAIN TO WANT TO GO BACK AND DO THIS WORK ON THE FALL TO SEE IF, UH, WHAT THE COST AND TIMELINE WOULD BE FOR THIS TO BE A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT AT FAULT. THAT WAS WHEN HARBOR MADISON, DID YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I THINK FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, MOST OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE FACT THAT I ALWAYS KEEP COMING BACK TO, IN MY MIND'S EYE, IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ASSUME THAT THE DOWNTOWN CITY CENTER IS THE PLACE TO HOUSE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY COURT, UM, UH, PLACES LIKE THE ARCH, ET CETERA. I MEAN I STILL KEEP FINDING MYSELF IN THIS PLACE WHERE I JUST WONDER IF FOR THE LONGTERM GREATER GOOD OF ONE WHAT IT IS THAT WE HOPE TO EXECUTE BY WAY OF HAVING THESE SYSTEMS IN PLACE AND UH, PROXIMITY TO THE DOWNTOWN CITY CENTER. I ALWAYS WONDER IF THIS IS, UM, WHERE WE NEED TO KEEP FOCUSING OUR ATTENTION OR IF WE NEED TO BE THINKING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION WHY, HOW, WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST INTEREST. BUT I THINK SOME OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M GOING TO BE AN ANSWER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. UM, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY ENOUGH ON THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE SOME PRETTY HEAVY AGENDA ITEMS AND I WANT US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO FULLY, UM, TALK ABOUT, THANK YOU JUDGE COFFEE. UH, ALEX FOR BEING ON THE CALL. I THINK FOR MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THIS DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY COURT TOPIC, UM, I HAVE HEARD STAFF SAY BOTH CAN LOOK AT THAT AND IF WE'D LOOK AT IT, IT'S GOING TO DISRUPT ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WE'RE DOING. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT, WE BETTER BRING AN IFC TO A COUNCIL MEETING BECAUSE IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT STAFF'S NOT GOING TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN. THIS STAFF IS, FEELS THAT THEY'VE BEEN DIRECTED TO GO A CERTAIN DIRECTION AND THEN WE COULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING THEM. BUT, UM, OR WE CAN BRING AN IFC. I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I THINK THERE'S STILL TOO MANY QUESTIONS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT LET'S, UM, LET'S, LET'S PUT THAT ON OUR LIST AS COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR OUR OFFLINE WORK. UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON [Item 3] TO ITEM ITEM NUMBER THREE. UM, CHIEF MANLEY, CHIEF GAY. UH, THIS IS OUR BRIEFING AND UPDATE ON THE RACIAL DISPARITY RESPONSE TO THE DRUG REPORT ON RACIAL PROFILING DATA. GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, YES. OKAY. UH, IF IT MEETS YOUR NEEDS, I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH OUR RESPONSE TO THE 14 RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IN THE RACIAL PROFILING REPORT, UH, AS OUTLINED IN THE MEMORANDUM THAT I BELIEVE EACH OF YOU RECEIVED EARLIER TODAY. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I'M SEEING HEAD NODS FROM MY COLLEAGUES THERE. PRETEND I HAD A QUICK, YEAH, THE MEMO IS DATED APRIL 23RD BUT WE JUST GOT IT WERE WHERE YOU RESCINDED OR IT WAS NOT IN FACT SET UNTIL THIS MORNING. I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION. YOU ALL RECEIVED A COUPLE OF MEMORANDUMS FROM ME. ONE BEING THE CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE SEARCH DATA THAT CAME UP IN OUR LAST MEETING WHERE WE IDENTIFIED THE PERCENTAGE OF ARRESTS FROM TRAFFIC STOPS THAT WERE A RESULT OF AN ARREST. AND SO I THINK BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN MY DEPARTMENT AND COO AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEMO IS BEING SENT. I THINK THERE WAS MAYBE SOME COMMUNICATION ISSUES THAT THERE WERE TWO MEMOS AND NOT ONE. AND SO THAT MIGHT'VE LED TO PART OF THIS DELAY. OKAY. [00:35:01] OKAY. OKAY. SO I WILL DO, I'LL GO AHEAD. YEAH, YEAH. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, TRY TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS, BUT I'M SURE THERE ARE GOING TO BE QUIET. OKAY, SURE. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL JUST JUMP THROUGH. SO SOME OF THEM, OBVIOUSLY YOU ALL CAN READ. I DON'T WANT TO JUST READ TO YOU, BUT, UH, ON RECOMMENDATION TWO, I WOULD JUST HIGHLIGHT THAT WORKING IN THIS AREA OF PROPORTIONALITY IS NOTHING NEW TO THE DEPARTMENT. WE IN FACT DID PARTNER WITH CENTER FOR POLICING EQUITY BACK IN 2016 AND HAVE BEEN BOTH LOOKING AT AND TALKING ABOUT THIS AND ADDRESSING IT SINCE THAT TIME. UH, BUT THE JOINT REPORT DID TAKE OUR DATA TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND AS WE STATED AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THAT WORK AND PUSH THIS DATA FURTHER TO HOPEFULLY FILL IN MORE OF THE BLANKS AND ANSWER MORE OF THE QUESTIONS LIKE THE OTHER MEMO THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED THAT IDENTIFIED THE SEARCH DATA DID FOR US. UM, WE, WE ACKNOWLEDGE, UH, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE OUTCOMES OF MANY OF OUR ACTIVITIES DO RESULT IN DISPARITY AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING AWAY WITH THAT DISPARITY, ESPECIALLY THAT THAT IS THE RESULT OF OFFICER DISCRETION. IN OTHER WORDS, OFFICERS ARE MAKING CHOICES THAT ARE LEADING TO THE DISPROPORTIONALITIES. AND SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN IMPORTANT TO HEAR THAT COMMITMENT AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO DOING THAT. UM, LOOKING AT NUMBER FIVE, JUST TO KIND OF STAY ON TRACK WITH YOU, WHEN WE LOOK AT FUTURE REPORTING, WE AS A DEPARTMENT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REPORT THE STATE MANDATED AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I EXPECT THAT THE OPO WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH BOTH THE EQUITY OFFICE AND THE OFFICE OF INNOVATION TO PRODUCE A REPORT SIMILAR TO THE ONE LAST YEAR. AND WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE WITH THEM IF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES EXIST. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT GROUPS THAT DO THIS TYPE OF ANALYSIS BUT TO A MUCH DEEPER LEVEL. AND TO THAT END, I'VE ACTUALLY SHARED SOME REPORTS THAT WERE CONDUCTED BY A RESEARCH FIRM, UH, WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE HERE IN AUSTIN. I'VE SHARED SOME REPORTS THAT I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL FOR US THAT THEY DID ON A FEW OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS, ONE OF WHICH ACTUALLY FOUND DISPROPORTIONALITY AND ONE THAT DID NOT. SO, UH, THEY, THEY'RE EXPERIENCED IN THIS AREA AND THEY TAKE THE DATA TO A MUCH DEEPER LEVEL THAN EVEN THE JOINT REPORT DID. I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. UH, LOOKING AT ITEM SIX, UH, WE, WE DO REQUIRE OFFICERS TO DOCUMENT THE INDIVIDUALS RACE AND GENDER AND OUR IN OUR DOCUMENTATION. SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE. UM, THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, WE DO THINK THAT OVERSIGHT TOOLS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO EXPAND ON THE TOOLS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN DO AN EARLY IDENTIFICATION OF OFFICERS WHO MAY BE AT RISK OR BIAS BASED BEHAVIORS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT SOLUTION MAY LOOK LIKE AND WHAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE THAT WE COULD USE. UM, WE'RE LOOKING, THERE'S A COUPLE OF ITEMS HERE ON BIAS TESTING. WE'VE BROUGHT BIAS BASED TRAINING INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DOES A FAIR AND IMPARTIAL POLICE TRAINING AND WE CONTINUE TO OFFER THAT TYPE OF TRAINING FOR OFFICERS. WE EXPECT EVERYONE THAT COMES INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HAVE BIASES AS WE ALL DO. WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THEIR BIASES AND THAT WE HAVE TRAINED THEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY TO NOT ONLY BE AWARE OF THEM BUT TO ENSURE THAT NONE OF THEIR ACTIONS ARE BASED UPON THEM. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONTINUING UP TO FOCUS ON. THAT KIND OF FEEDS INTO ITEM NUMBER 10 WHERE WE LOOK AT, UH, FLAGGING OFFICERS THAT MAY BE, UH, SET FOR INTERVENTION. WE DO HAVE A GAP SYSTEM HERE AT THE DEPARTMENT THAT TRACKS CERTAIN PARTS OF OFFICER CONDUCT WITH THAT GOAL OF EARLY IDENTIFICATION. AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, UM, TO HOPEFULLY ENHANCE THAT SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN BE BETTER AT PREDICTING THIS. BUT WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A GUIDANCE ADVISORY PROGRAM THAT TRACKS, AMONG OTHER THINGS OFFICER'S USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS, UM, AND COMPLAINT DATA SO THAT WE WOULD GET AN EARLY IDENTIFICATION IN THOSE AREAS. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, OUR SUPERVISORS DO RANDOM AUDITS OF ALL OF OUR OFFICERS WORK, THEIR BODY WORN CAMERAS AND IN CAR CAMERAS. AND SO TO THAT END TOO, WE EXPECT, UH, THAT WE WOULD BE PROACTIVE IN IDENTIFYING OFFICERS. UH, I THINK ITEM NUMBER 11 TO IDENTIFY A BIAS BASED COUNTERING POLICIES, PRACTICES, METHODS, PROCESSES, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES. WE ARE REGULARLY LOOKING AT OUR POLICIES AND TRYING TO ENSURE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING BEST PRACTICES. I THINK THIS ONE ALSO ALIGNS WITH YOUR RESOLUTION ITEM 66 THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO ADDRESS, UH, AS WE WORK TOWARDS HOLDING THE FUTURE POLICE ACADEMY CLASSES. AND I THINK IT ALSO ALIGNS WITH SOMETHING I'M LOOKING TO DO, [00:40:01] UH, AS A RESULT OF THE TATUM REPORT AND BRINGING IN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WHO HAS A SIGNIFICANT EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA OF BIAS, UH, WITHIN, UH, WITHIN A LARGE STATE OREGON ORGANIZATION IS WHERE THIS PERSON WORKS AND KIND OF TACKLING SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND, UH, WE ARE AGAIN, WORKING WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE ON THAT PART OF THE PROJECT AND PUTTING THAT IN PLACE. RECOMMENDATION 12, THE COMPREHENSIVE RACIAL HISTORY OF POLICING CURRICULUM AND THE CONNECT TRAINING ACADEMY, UH, CHIEF OF STAFF BRIGADE DID A LOT OF WORK ON THIS WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND THE EQUITY OFFICE AND THAT PROGRAM IS READY TO GO AND WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE NEXT CADET CLASS. UH, AS IT IS, IT IS FINALLY COMPLETED. THE LAST TWO ITEMS HERE. UH, WE, WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH EQUITY OFFICE AND OFFICE FLEET OVERSIGHT WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR TRAINING AND OUR CURRICULUM IN THESE AREAS AND TRYING TO GARNER THEIR EXPERTISE AND GUIDANCE AS WE SELECT WHAT WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD IN THESE CRITICAL AREAS. AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING ADDITIONAL TRAINING IN THIS AREA AS EITHER WE IDENTIFY OR IDENTIFY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE EQUITY OFFICE. AND, UH, AGAIN, WORKING TO INCLUDE THAT IN OUR ANNUAL STRATEGIC PLANS FOR TRAINING. UH, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE VARIOUS TRAININGS THAT WE PUT OUR OFFICERS THROUGH EACH YEAR. SO THAT WAS ABOUT AS QUICK AS I CAN GO THROUGH, KIND OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WILL STOP AT THAT POINT AND, UH, UH, RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND HAVING THAT REAL BRIEF, UM, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE VERY COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO ADDRESSING, UM, SOME OF, UM, WHAT WERE CERTAINLY ISSUES OF CONCERN AND CONSIDERATION FOR ME. I STILL KEEP FINDING MYSELF BACK TO THIS PLACE WHERE LIKE AS A FRIDAY, YOU KNOW, A PRESS DAY WHERE NOTHING GOT PICKED UP. WE GOT DROPPED THREE BOMBSHELLS BY WAY OF PD. AND SO I JUST, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT I'LL BE DELIVERING FOLKS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE WEEK. UM, IN TERMS OF RESPONDING TO QUESTIONS, ONE OF THEM THAT I STILL DON'T HAVE A GOOD ANSWER TO IN MY MIND'S EYE. AND I'M HOPING THAT WHILE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO OUR CHIEF, UM, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO THIS QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SO LIKE YOU JUST BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, TRAINING MODULES AND PARTICULAR CONSIDERATION AROUND WHAT, WHAT SPECIFIC THINGS WE NEED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT OUR, UM, CADETS ARE LEAVING WITH. UM, THIS QUESTION ABOUT DEESCALATION KEEPS COMING UP, AND THIS MAY NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I FIGURED, I FEEL LIKE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, RIGHT? SO IF I'M ABLE TO GET THAT QUESTION ANSWERED AND I'M, IF I'M ABLE TO OFFER SOMETHING IN THE WAY OF RESPONSES TO THE COMMUNITY THAT KEEPS ASKING ME, YOU KNOW, AT WHAT POINT DO WE HAVE A REAL, UM, COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION AROUND DEESCALATION TRAINING? SO I GUESS MAYBE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, UM, AND I DON'T REALLY THINK THIS IS NECESSARILY GOING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT LEADS US TO A BETTER OFFLINE DISCUSSION AND A BACK AND FORTH WHERE I CAN MAKE SURE I'M ANSWERING IT MORE SPECIFICALLY, BUT DEESCALATION, UH, IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TRAINED IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR DECADES. IT'S JUST NEVER BEEN CALLED NECESSARILY DEESCALATION AND IT'S NEVER REALLY HAD IT IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AND IT'S THE BUZZ WORD IN THE INDUSTRY AND ALL OF THAT. WE, WE'VE TAUGHT THIS FOR DECADES. IT'S JUST NOW MUCH MORE STRUCTURED AND ORGANIZED. I KNOW THE QUESTIONS ARE, WHERE DOES IT SHOW UP IN THE ACADEMY? IS IT INTERWOVEN IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE TRAINING? AND I THINK THAT'S THE PART, MAYBE YOU AND I, IF IT MEETS YOUR NEEDS, I CAN WORK OFFLINE WITH YOU TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA OF HOW WE INTEGRATE DEESCALATION THROUGHOUT THE ACADEMY TRAINING. YES. I THINK, I THINK GIVEN THE, THE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIMITED ACCESS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION VERY DIRECTLY. YES, THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A REALLY GOOD START TO A LONG CONVERSATION IS WHAT I SUSPECT. OKAY. I WILL, I WILL HAVE MY STAFF START PUTTING TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT JUST KIND OF OUTLINES HOW DEESCALATION IS WOVEN THROUGHOUT THE TRAINING. I WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO THAT VERY MUCH. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT A WHOLE BUNCH. UM, BUT, UM, RECOGNIZING THAT IN LIKE THE CASE WITH MIKE RAMOS, YOU KNOW, THAT STARTED WITH UM, THE DEPLOYMENT OF A NONLETHAL ROUND. I'M GETTING VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON WHY THAT HAPPENED. AND SO, UH, EITHER HERE OR ANOTHER PLACE, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT HOW AND WHY THAT HAPPENED AND WHY THAT [00:45:01] WAS APPROPRIATE. SO I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, CHIEF. SURE. AND JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS, WHAT I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRAINING AND THE EXPECTATION BUT NOT THE ACTUAL PACE BECAUSE THAT CASE AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE IS UNDER MANY INVESTIGATIONS, RIGHT? YES, OF COURSE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR PRETEND? SO UNDER RECOMMENDATION THREE, UM, THE RESPONSES, ADDITIONAL DATA AND ANALYSIS IS NECESSARY TO DETERMINE HOW OFFICER DISCRETION, PROCEDURES AND SOCIETAL FACTORS CONTRIBUTE TO THESE DISPROPORTIONALITIES. SO DOES THAT, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SURE. SO IT, SOME OF THE OUTCOMES ARE DRIVEN BY OFFICER DISCRETION. WHEN OFFICERS ARE FACED WITH A SITUATION AND THEY HAVE A CHOICE, DO I DO A OR B? WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND ARE WE CREATING DISPROPORTIONALITY IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION, BUT WE DON'T DECIDE WHEN WE GET A NINE 11 CALL, WE DON'T DECIDE HOW MANY NINE 11 CALLS MAY COME FROM ONE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY VERSUS ANOTHER PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THEREFORE IMPACT THE NUMBERS OF INTERACTIONS AND THEREFORE THE POTENTIAL NUMBERS OF OUTCOMES. AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING THERE AND OUR COMMITMENT IS AS WE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE THE DISPROPORTIONALITY GO TO ZERO, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE AREAS WHERE IT IS DRIVEN BY OFFICER DISCRETION. BUT WE WANT TO DO THE WORK TO IDENTIFY, AND THIS IS AS I MENTIONED, I'VE SHARED TWO STUDIES WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE ON UH, JUST A CONSULTING FIRM THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT DOES THIS KIND OF WORK, WENT INTO TWO DIFFERENT POLICE DEPARTMENTS LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THEIR TRAFFIC STOP DATA TO UNDERSTAND DISPROPORTIONALITIES AND WHAT CAUSED THEM. AND IN ONE DEPARTMENT THEY FOUND PROBLEMS. AND IN THE OTHER DEPARTMENT THEY FOUND THERE WERE CAUSATIVE FACTORS OUTSIDE OF POLICE DISCRETION THAT LED TO IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS DOING THAT DEEPER DIVE INTO THE DATA AND THAT MORE THOROUGH ANALYSIS. AGAIN, THE JOINT REPORT GAVE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD BEEN GIVING IN OUR, UM, STANDARD STATE MANDATED REPORT. WE WANT TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL TO DIG INTO THAT. AND SO DOES THAT SAY THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, CAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MEMO SAYS, IT JUST SAYS ADDITIONAL DATA ANALYSIS IS NEEDED. IT DOESN'T SAY IF THAT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS. CORRECT. MY INTENTION IS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. WHAT I'M DOING RIGHT NOW IS GATHERING THE BASE INFORMATION SO THAT I CAN PUT FORTH A RECOMMENDATION. THIS MIGHT BE A LARGE ENOUGH PROJECT THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. UH, AFTER HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DIGEST THESE REPORTS AS WELL AS TO LOOK AT WHAT'S OUT THERE IN THIS AREA. THERE ARE GROUPS LIKE PERK AND ALL THAT THAT DO THIS KIND OF WORK REGULARLY, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT WHO'S WORKED SPECIFICALLY ON THIS STUFF WITH TRAFFIC STOP DATA. SO MY INTENT A MAYOR PRO TEM IS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. I JUST, I DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY POTENTIALLY WE MIGHT BE BEFORE YOU ASKING FOR A CONTRACT OR SOMETHING. BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE STAGES OF IDENTIFYING WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. OKAY. MMM. SORRY. LOOKING FOR MY QUESTIONS. UM, WELL THE, WELL WE ALSO KNOW WHAT THE REASONS FOR THE STOPS. I DON'T THINK THOSE ARE THOUGH. THAT IS PART OF IT, THE INFORMATION GIVEN, IS THAT RIGHT? DO YOU, DO YOU MEAN LIKE WHAT THE VIOLATION WAS? WAS IT SPEEDING VERSUS STOP SIGN VERSUS DEFECTIVE TAILLIGHTS? YES, YES. LET ME LOOK AND SEE WHETHER THE DATA WE HAVE NOW, I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL NOW, BUT LET ME SEE IF THE DATA IN THE WAY WE HAVE IT IS IF WE ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT AND THEN IF NOT, OBVIOUSLY WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THAT. UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DATA DRIVEN DEPARTMENT AND THE MORE DATA THE BETTER WE COULD FILL IN THE BLANKS. I AM NOT CERTAIN THAT WE HAVE IT TO THAT GRANULAR LEVEL RIGHT NOW. OKAY. UM, AND HAS THERE HAS BEEN ANY COST ESTIMATES ON THE RACIAL EQUITY TRAINING FOR ALL APD EMPLOYEES? UM, SO THERE'S JUST NOT BEEN PERSONNEL, I'M SORRY, INCLUDING CIVILIAN PERSONNEL. OH, OKAY. SO WE'VE NOT LOOKED AT THIS POINT TO BRING ANYTHING NEW IN AS FAR AS WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO BRING IN AND THEN WE ESTABLISH A COST. WHAT WE'VE DONE RIGHT NOW IS WE BUILT, FIRST OF ALL THAT HISTORY OF COURSE THAT WILL BE TAUGHT IN THE CADET CLASS SO THAT ALL OF OUR NEW OFFICERS UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND COMMUNITIES [00:50:01] AND WE CONTINUE TO TEACH THE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL POLICE TRAINING TO ALL CADETS THAT ALL OF OUR INSERVICE OFFICERS WENT THROUGH. WE PUT THE ENTIRE COMMAND AND EXECUTIVE TEAM THROUGH THE UNDOING RACISM TRAINING AND THE ENTIRE TRAINING KADRA THROUGH BEYOND DIVERSITY TRAINING, THE LEADERSHIP OF OUR TRAINING ACADEMY AND THEY CURRENTLY ARE BUILDING A BEYOND DIVERSITY PROGRAM THAT WILL BE ROLLED OUT TO ALL CADETS AS WELL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE ON THIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC GROUP RIGHT NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE WITH AN ESTABLISHED COST. IS THERE A PLAN TO, TO, SO THE DATA ANALYSIS FOLKS, ARE THEY CIVILIAN, ARE THEY A SWORN STAFF? MY DATA ANALYSIS TEAM ARE CIVILIANS. ARE THEY GIVEN ANY OF THE TRAINING, THE EQUITY, THE UM, THE RACIAL EQUITY TRAINING. THEY DON'T GO THROUGH THE TRAINING THAT THE CADETS WENT THROUGH. I'LL HAVE TO CHECK SOME OF OUR CIVILIAN LEADERS JOINED US IN SOME OF THESE TRAININGS THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALONG THE WAY. BUT I'D HAVE TO GET A LIST. I WANT TO BE SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTIONS SO I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMPILING THE INFORMATION, SOMETIMES IT ADDS A LEVEL OF CONTEXT THAT, UM, HELPS AND, AND REPORTING INFORMATION. UM, AND IF I MAY, JUST TO THAT POINT, I AGREE AND WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF HIRING A CHIEF DATA OFFICER IN THE DEPARTMENT. AND THIS WILL BE SOMEONE AT A, AT AN EXECUTIVE LEVEL POSITION. BASICALLY AT A HIGH LEVEL POSITION THAT WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA OF DATA AND DATA ANALYSIS SO THAT WE UH, THAT WE DO THE MOST AND THE BEST THAT WE CAN WITH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE. AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE THAT RACIAL EQUITY LENS AS WELL. YES. OKAY. AND THEN WHERE ARE WE IN CONTRACTING WITH THE, THE OUTSIDE ENTITY TO ANALYZE DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES AND PRACTICES? IT WAS A PART OF COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON'S RESOLUTION. THIS IS FOR RESOLUTION 66. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER BUT WE'RE GOING TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE ENTITY TO ANALYZE DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES AND PRACTICES. YES. I THINK THAT ONE WAS 66 AND IT WAS RELATED TO THE UPCOMING CADET CLASS AND ALL OF THAT. I KNOW I'VE GOT THE PROCEDURE WITH ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE WITH BOTH INTERNAL, EXTERNAL STAKEHOLDERS ON VIDEO REVIEWS AND THE LIKE. AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. I'LL, I'LL HAVE TO SPEAK TO, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT ON ACTUALLY THAT OUTSIDE CONTRACT TO BRING SOMEBODY IN. OKAY. MY LAST QUESTION IS OF THE, OF THE, WHAT WAS IT, 13, 14 RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THOSE, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL EITHER HAVE THE DATA AVAILABLE OR THE, I MEAN, KIND OF THE ANSWER SO TO SPEAK, BUT I KNOW NOT EVERY RECOMMENDATION RESPONSE IS REALLY AN ANSWER, AN ANSWER, SO TO SPEAK. BUT WE'LL DO, YOU KNOW WHICH OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE IN A PLACE WHERE THERE'S A FULL RESPONSE, UM, BEFORE THE NEXT CADET CLASS STARTS? MMM. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. CAUSE SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM ARE JUST, WE ARE ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS AND WE ACKNOWLEDGED THINGS. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THERE. SO REPORTS THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THESE EXTERNAL DEEPER DIVES INTO THE DATA, OBVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD NOT BE COMPLETED BEFORE A JULY CLASS. UM, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WOULD GO INTO DOING THAT TYPE OF A REVIEW, THE TRAINING ON THE ITEM NUMBER 12, RACHEL EASTERN POLICING THAT IS DONE, IT'S READY TO GO. MMM. AND THE DEVELOPING TRAININGS OR LIKE ONGOING TRAININGS ON RACIAL EQUITY AND THE WHY THAT THAT IS AN ONGOING EFFORT. SO THAT'S NOT ONE THAT WOULD BE COMPLETED AT ANY POINT. WE WOULD ALWAYS BE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES EITHER ON OUR OWN OR IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE AND OFFICE POLICE OVERSIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. TERRIBLE. HERE I CAN PROVIDE A QUICK UPDATE ON THE RESOLUTION 66 QUESTIONS THAT THE MAYOR PORTEND HAD. RIGHT. UH, SO MAYOR FOR TEMPORARY ARIANO AGAIN, SO, UH, WE'RE PRETTY MUCH FINALIZED ON THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR ISSUING A SOLICITATION, WHAT WE WOULD CALL A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION STATEMENT. [00:55:01] UH, AND WE ANTICIPATE SENDING THAT OUT HERE IN MAY. SO THE REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS IS GOING TO BE SENT OUT IN MAY. IF I THINK I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, THAT IS CORRECT, YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S LIKE MAY AS IN LIKE A MONTH FROM RIGHT NOW. YES. FLIPS LATER ON THIS MONTH. YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. YOUR AUDIO IS PRETTY GARBLED, SO I KNOW SOME OF US ARE STRUGGLING, BUT UM, PROBABLY SIMPLER TO SAY IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS RATHER THAN ONCE IN THE MONTH OF MAY. I WOULD SAY, AT LEAST FOR MY PART ON THIS, UM, IT IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND I KNOW FOR THE REST OF US THAT THIS NOT JUST BE A REPORT THAT ACKNOWLEDGES CHALLENGES OR THAT ACKNOWLEDGES WORK THAT SHOULD BE DONE, BUT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING THIS WORK DONE. AND I KNOW CHIEF THAT YOU AGREE WITH US ON THAT AND SO, UM, I THINK YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE THIS COMMITTEE CONTINUE TO PUT THIS ON OUR AGENDA AND HOPE TO SEE SOME VERY CLEAR CONCRETE PROGRESS ON THESE ITEMS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. ABSOLUTELY. THAT WAS A GOOD START. CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR UM, BEING HERE TODAY. UM, W WHAT'D YOU DO? WE KNOW WHO WOULD BE TEACHING THE, UH, RACE AND HISTORY AND POLICING COURSE. OH, WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU. IT'S GOING TO BE OBVIOUSLY MEMBERS OF MY COD DROUGHT AT THE TRAINING ACADEMY. UM, THAT WILL BE THE INSTRUCTORS ON THIS TOPIC AND I'LL CHECK TO SEE THE UH, EXTENT. I KNOW WE'RE BRINGING IN COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO ASSIST TEACHING THE ACADEMY AS PART OF OUR CULTURAL COMPETENCE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S IN THIS TOPIC AREA. BUT LET ME CONFIRM THAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN MY LAST COMMENT HERE, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT WHEN WE HAVE ONE OF THESE ITEMS COMING UP, JUST EVEN IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE MEMO THE NIGHT BEFOREHAND TO REVIEW AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO MAKE THIS TIME REALLY PRODUCTIVE AND THEN REALLY HIGHLIGHTING ON THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, WHICH ONES YOU AGREE WITH ENTIRELY, WHICH ONES YOU GENERALLY AGREE WITH BUT MIGHT HAVE SOME MODIFICATION TO OR DISAGREE WITH WOULD BE WOULD BE HELPFUL JUST BECAUSE LIKE THE MAYOR PRO TEM WHEN I WAS READING THROUGH THEM, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GENERALLY AGREE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT, BUT IT'S HARD FOR ME TO TELL SOMETIMES FROM THE MEMO WHERE THE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE BETWEEN THE REPORTS RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT ACTIONS YOU'LL BE TAKING. AND SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE REALLY CLEAR AND I KNOW YOU'LL HAVE A LOT GOING ON, BUT IT'S JUST MUCH EASIER ON THESE COMMITTEE HEARINGS TO AT LEAST HAVE BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT THE NIGHT BEFOREHAND. ABSOLUTELY. AND IF I MAY GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS QUESTION, I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FEEDBACK THAT WE WILL IN FACT ACTUALLY HAVE OUTSIDE. WE WILL HAVE BOTH A COMMUNITY MEMBER AS WELL AS OUR OWN. DR VINOBA, THE PROFESSIONAL THAT WE'VE HIRED INTO THE ACADEMY TEACHING ON THAT IS THE RACIAL HISTORY OF POLICING COURSE. IF I CAN JUST PIGGYBACK ON A COUNCILOR CONCERNS, COMMENTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OTHER, SAY WE, I WAS ON MY STAFF CALLED THIS MORNING WITH MY STAFF WHEN THE MEMO LITERALLY CAME IN AND WE WERE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PLAYING TO PREPARE FOR THIS JUDICIAL MEETING AT THAT POINT. AND THEN IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS WE'RE, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ISSUES AND TIMELINES AND WHEN SOMEONE GOT SOME INFORMATION AND HOW IT WAS USED AND BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WELL THIS MAKES IT SEEM THAT WE RECEIVED THIS LETTER, THIS ON APRIL 23RD, UM, WHEN IN FACT THAT'S A, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CLARITY I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T WRONGLY SAYING THIS MEMO'S DATED WRONG CAUSE IT'S NOT THE DATE THAT THAT RJ, OUR JUDICIAL COMMITTEE AND I, AND MAYBE I JUST WANT TO CLEAR THAT PART UP IF I'M STILL WRONG, OUR JUDICIAL COMMITTEE DID NOT RECEIVE THIS MEMO UNTIL TODAY AND IT'S DATED APRIL 23RD. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY TO CORRECT THAT AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, AND JUST THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S GOOD. IT'S BETTER FOR US. WE, WE, WE CAN ASK MORE INFORMED QUESTIONS WHEN WE HAVE THE INFORMATION SOONER. SO I TO UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT GOING ON. LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE [Item 4] NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS ALSO FOR CHIEF MANLEY AND GPA ABOUT BODY CAMERA POLICY. CERTAINLY DON'T, AND THIS IS THE CRITICAL INCIDENT, THE PUBLIC RELEASE OF THE VIDEOS AND THIS POLICY HAS NOW BEEN SIGNED INTO EFFECT AND THE POLICY AS YOU ALL WELL KNOW IS THE PRODUCT OF A LOT OF, I GUESS ENGAGEMENT AND WORK WITH BOTH COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, INTERNAL MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION HAS PLAYED A ROLE AS WELL. [01:00:01] INITIALLY WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BRING THIS POLICY BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION ONE MORE TIME, UH, PRIOR TO IT GOING INTO EFFECT. HOWEVER, WITH ALL OF THE COBIT RESTRICTIONS ON SOME DELAYED MEETINGS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DELAY THE POLICY UNNECESSARILY. AND GIVEN THAT I ACCEPTED, I BELIEVE ALL BUT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, THAT WERE LAST GIVEN TO US BY THE WORK GROUPS, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO SIGN IT INTO PLACE. AND THEN WE WILL BE GOING BEFORE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION AT THEIR JUNE MEETING WITH THIS POLICY TO SHOW THEM, UH, THE, THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND WHAT THE POLICY OUTLINES. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN GIVE YOU A HIGHLIGHT REAL QUICK OF THE POLICY AS IT IS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. UH, IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO GO OVER IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. I HAD, I SAW THE MEMO, BUT THE MEMO WAS UNCLEAR WHAT THE POLICY WOULD BE. SO IF YOU COULD DO THAT PLEASE. CERTAINLY. SO THIS POLICY ESTABLISHES THE PROCEDURES AND THE CRITERIA BY WHICH WE WILL DO VIDEO RELEASES FOR CRITICAL INCIDENTS. WE FIRST OFF DEFINE CRITICAL INCIDENTS SO THAT IT'S UNDERSTOOD WHEN WE WILL BE UTILIZING THIS PROCESS. UH, OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS, UH, TO INCLUDE UNINTENTIONAL DISCHARGES AS WELL THAT ARE, THAT ARE IN THE COURSE OF DUTY, NOT ON THE FIRING RANGE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT UH, THOSE, ANY USE OF FORCE THAT RESULTS IN DEATH OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY AND THEN ALL DEATHS WHILE AN ARREST OR DETAIN HE IS IN THE CUSTODY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEN ANY OTHER ENCOUNTER WHERE I AS THE CHIEF FEEL THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO DO ONE. SO JUST TO SHOW HOW COMPREHENSIVE IT IS, THOSE ARE THE, UH, THOSE ARE THE INSTANCES IN WHICH WE WILL LOOK TO DO THESE VIDEO RELEASES. WE'VE SET THE TIMELINE ON THIS AT 60 DAYS. THE GOAL WILL BE TO GET THESE VIDEOS PRODUCED AND OUT WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THE INCIDENT. AND IF I DO NOT THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET THE 60 DAY DEADLINE, THEN AT THE 45TH DAY I WILL BE PUTTING OUT AN EXPLANATION FOR WHY I DON'T THINK THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THAT DEADLINE. AND I'LL TOUCH HERE IN A MINUTE ON SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO A RELEASE WITHIN THAT TIMELINE. THIS COVERS MULTIPLE VIDEO SOURCES, THE BODY WORN CAMERA, THE IN CAR CAMERA AS WELL AS THIRD PARTY VIDEOS THAT WE MIGHT COME IN POSSESSION OF DURING THE INVESTIGATION SUCH AS BUSINESS OR PERSONAL RESIDENCE SECURITY FOOTAGE. SO IT INCLUDES ALL OF THAT AND WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO WITHHOLD ANY VIDEO IF THERE IS A IS A LAW OR A COURT ORDER THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ITS RELEASE. SO THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE POLICY TO THAT THE EXPECTATION IS, AND THE PLAN IS THAT WE WILL RE ROUTE WE RELEASED THESE UNLESS WE'RE PROHIBITED BY COURT ORDERS OR LAW IN ANY OF THESE CASES. WE ALSO HAVE A SECTION THAT IDENTIFIES PROTECTING THE IDENTITY OF THOSE INVOLVED TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE WITNESSES OR THE PERSON ON WHOM FORCES USED OR JUVENILES ESPECIALLY THAT WE WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT WE, UH, EITHER BLUR THE IMAGE, CHANGE THE VOICES, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO HANDLE THAT WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE DEPICTION OF THE EVENT ITSELF. UM, WE DO HAVE A SECTION IN HERE THAT ALLOWS FOR A DELAYED RELEASE AND A DELAYED RELEASE WOULD BE IF IT WAS NECESSARILY TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF SOMEONE WHO WAS INVOLVED, IF IT'S NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE INVESTIGATION OR THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OR ANY CONFIDENTIAL SOURCES OR UM, OR ANY OTHER INVESTIGATIVE TECHNIQUES. THE ALSO REQUIRES US TO MAKE NOTIFICATIONS OF ALL OF THOSE WHO MIGHT HAVE AN INTEREST PRIOR TO ITS RELEASE. THE GOAL BEING WITHIN 48 HOURS PRIOR TO ITS RELEASE. AND THAT WOULD BE NOT ONLY TO THE OFFICERS INVOLVED BUT TO THE PERSON ON WHOM FORCE WAS USED. IF THAT PERSON IS DECEASED TO THEIR FAMILY MEMBER, IF THEY ARE REPRESENTED BY ATTORNEYS, THE NUMBER, THE NOTICE WOULD GO TO THE ATTORNEY. OR IF IT IS A JUVENILE, THEN THE NOTICE WOULD GO TO THE LEGAL GUARDIAN. SO THAT IS THE POLICY. UH, IN A NUTSHELL, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS THAT THESE VIDEOS BE RELEASED WITHIN 60 DAYS. WE'RE FOLLOWING KIND OF A TEMPLATE THAT WE'VE SEEN USED IN OTHER LARGE DEPARTMENTS, BUT MOST NOTABLY LOS ANGELES, WHERE THEY GET THESE VIDEOS OUT AND THEY'RE CRITICAL INCIDENTS REGULARLY. AND IT'S MEANT TO EDUCATE AND INFORM THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT HAPPENED, PROVIDE THEM WITH THE VIDEO THAT WE CAN, THAT DEPICTS WHAT HAPPENS. AND THEN ANYTHING THAT WE THINK MIGHT BE EDUCATIONAL AS COUNCIL MEMBER MADISON MENTIONED EARLIER, THE USE OF A LESLIEVILLE SHOTGUN SINCE IN THIS MOST RECENT INSTANCE IT WAS USED, WE WOULD HAVE A SECTION THAT WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT WEAPON, WHAT IT DOES, WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS AND WHAT OUR POLICY, SO THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN SIGNED INTO EFFECT AND IT IS PART OF OUR POLICY NOW. ANY QUESTIONS [01:05:02] THAT'S PROBABLY HAPPENED. MADISON ONE WAS, I'M SORRY, I THINK I ACTUALLY WAS SECOND TO DELI. I'LL DEFER TO HER AND THEN, AND THEN I, YES, I DO HAVE A QUESTION AFTER THAT. RIGHT. MAY PRETEND. SO DO WE A COPY OF THAT NEW, UH, POLICY IS THAT, IS THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION NOW? IT IS. AND I CAN MAKE SURE WE GET A COPY OF THAT OVER TO YOU. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, WELL HERE'S SOME CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX, SO GENERAL ORDER I BELIEVE IS NINE OH THREE. UM, AND, AND WE, WE EFFECTIVELY, THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THE PENALTY FOR VIOLATING THE BODY CAM POLICY. UM, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SURE. SO OUR MATRIX HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF VIOLATIONS. THE VIOLATION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ACCIDENTAL. IF AN OFFICER INTENTIONALLY DOES NOT ACTIVATE THEIR CAMERA OR INTENTIONALLY TURNS OFF THEIR CAMERA. AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS. THIS IS, I TURNED MY CAMERA OFF WHEN I WENT INTO THE BATHROOM AND I FORGOT TO TURN IT BACK ON OR I FORGOT TO TURN IT ON WHEN I WAS OUT OF MY VEHICLE AND IT WASN'T ON. AND SOMEONE CAME UP TO ME AND WE BEGAN A POLICE INTERACTION. THESE ARE THOSE UNINTENTIONAL AND WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE MATRIX. UH, THE INITIAL VERSION WAS TO HAVE OUR POLICY MIRROR HOW WE HAD BEEN HANDLING THESE OUT IN THE FIELD, UH, OUT IN THE VARIOUS COMMANDS ACROSS THE CITY. AND THE INITIAL VERSION, I WILL TELL YOU WAS INCORRECT. AND WHEN THE OFFICE POLICE OVERSIGHT BROUGHT THAT UP TO US, WE DID IN FACT MAKE A CHANGE. AND WE NOW HAVE A POLICY THAT THE FIRST OCCURRENCE, AGAIN IF IT'S THESE MINOR ONES WHERE WE BELIEVE IT TRULY WAS ACCIDENTAL, THERE WILL BE A CONDUCT COUNSELING WITH THE OFFICER. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IT WOULD MOVE INTO THAT ORAL COUNSELING REALM. AND THEN IF THERE WERE TO BE A THIRD AND THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES WRITTEN OR ABOVE. ALL OF THESE ARE SUBJECT TO AGGRAVATING OR MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COULD CHANGE THAT DISCIPLINE IN EITHER DIRECTION AS ARE REALLY ALL OF THE VIOLATIONS, NOT ONLY IN THE MATRIX BUT BUT IN THE, IN THE DEPARTMENT. SO THAT IS HOW WE'RE HANDLING IT. THIS, THIS LINKS ALSO TO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT ARE IN POLICY NINE OH TWO. AND AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE POLICE MONITOR ON THIS ISSUE AND WE'RE ON A TIMELINE NOW TO WORK THROUGH SOME OF OUR, UM, JUST TO NINE OH TWO THAT, UH, THE OPO WANTS AND THAT WE WANT, THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS IN THE PAST, IF AN OFFICER HAD A MINOR POLICY VIOLATION OUT IN THE FIELD, THE SUPERVISOR MAY JUST HANDLE THAT AND THEN IT WOULD NEVER NECESSARILY MAKE ITSELF INTO OUR TRACKING SYSTEM. IT WOULD BE IN THAT SUPERVISOR'S FILE THAT THEY COUNSEL THIS OFFICER ON THIS DATE FOR THIS ISSUE. AND THEN IF THAT OFFICER TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER SHIFT OR THAT SUPERVISOR TRANSFERRED, THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT THAT WOULD EVER BE MAINTAINED IN, IN AN AREA WHERE WE WOULD COME ACROSS THAT AGAIN. SO WE'VE NOW UPDATED OUR POLICY THAT WOULD REQUIRE ALL OF THESE, EVEN THE MOST MINOR VIOLATIONS, WE'LL GET AN ID NUMBER AND WE'LL GO INTO OUR TRACKING SYSTEM SO THAT BOTH US AND THE POLICE MONITOR ARE AWARE OF ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN THE SYSTEM. AND THEN THIS WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER TRACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE. AND AS I SAID, JUST SPECIFIC TO YOUR QUESTION ON BODY WORN CAMERA, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS THE POLICY TO WHERE, AGAIN, UNLESS THERE'S AGGRAVATING OR MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES, THE FIRST VIOLATION WOULD BE THAT CONDUCT COUNSELING WITH THE IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR. SECOND ONE WOULD BE THAT ORAL COUNSELING, AND THEN THE THIRD WOULD BE WRITTEN FOUR OR ABOVE AT THEM. BUT EACH, BUT EACH OF THOSE IS DOCUMENTED. SO THERE'S DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY GOT THE FIRST ONE IN THEIR, IN THEIR FILE. IS THAT RIGHT? THERE WILL BE NOW UNDER THIS NEW PROCESS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE IN THE PAST THERE, THERE LIKELY WOULD HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTATION, BUT IT MIGHT'VE BEEN IN THAT SERGEANT'S FILE OUT ONE OF THE SUBSTATIONS, NOT CENTRALIZED IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS WITH THE POLICE OVERSIGHT WHERE BOTH BOATS, BOTH TEAMS HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA. SO THE, SO EVEN THOUGH WRITTEN AN ORAL IS JUST, I GUESS A TYPE OF, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, DEGREE OF A PROPER MAN, BUT WHETHER IT'S WRITTEN OR ORAL, AN ORAL REPRIMAND IS, IS DOCUMENTED IN A FILE, CORRECT? YES, IT IS. OKAY. UM, AND THEN W UM, WAS THERE, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR CHANGING THE LIKE AS FAR AS COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS INVOLVED IN THE UPDATES TO THREE OH THREE AND THREE OR FOUR THREE OH THREE AND THREE. [01:10:01] OH FOUR. ARE YOU NOT, ARE YOU MEETING NINE OH TWO AND NINE. OH THREE I HAVE MS THROUGH IS IS 303 THAT THE CURRENT APD BODY-WORN CAM POLICY. OH, I'M SORRY. OKAY. UM, WELL THE UH, THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX THAT WE DID NOT, UH, GO TO, UH, NECESSARILY COMMUNITY MEETINGS ON THE DISCIPLINE MATRIX ITSELF. WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED ON LOOKING AT THE PAST HISTORY AND WHAT DISCIPLINE HAD BEEN IN THOSE CASES. AND AGAIN, TRY TO MAKE SURE OUR POLICY WAS REFLECTIVE OF THAT BECAUSE WE FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE. AND THEN WE, AGAIN, BY THE CHANGES WE MADE TO POLICY NINE OH TWO, EVEN THAT FIRST MINOR VIOLATION OF AN INADVERTENT MISUSE OR NON-USE OF THE CAMERA WILL BE DOCUMENTED IN THE, IN THE SYSTEM. AND SO FOR 300, THREE ON THREE OR FOUR, WHAT WAS THE COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDER PROCESS INVOLVED IN THAT UPDATE COUNCIL MEMBER? I'LL HAVE TO CHECK AND FIND OUT. UH, CHIEF OF STAFF, GAY, UH, IS THE ONE THAT DOES MOST OF WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY GROUPS THROUGH BOTH OUR FREEDOM CITIES, WORK GROUPS AS WELL AS SOME OTHER. AND I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK AND NOT GIVE YOU ACCURATE INFORMATION SO I WILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU OFFLINE AS FAR AS THE INPUT THAT THEY HAD TO THIS PROCESS. OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, I'M SORRY, I'M GOING BACK TO NINE OH THREE. UM, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE OPO IS ALIGNED WITH THE 903 CHANGES NOW? NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE OPO AGREES WITH THAT. AND SO THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE STILL HAVING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS WELL, UH, AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE AT WITH BOTH NINE OH TWO AND NINE OH THREE, WE'VE HAD I THINK PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS AND WE ARE ON A TIMELINE WITH, UH, THE POLICE MONITOR RIGHT NOW WHERE OVER THE NEXT, UH, ROUGHLY, I THINK WE HAVE FIVE WEEKS LEFT. WE'RE ON A TIME SCHEDULE WHERE WE ARE MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT THE POLICIES AS WELL AS ANY AREAS OF DISAGREEMENT SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOWARDS AGREEMENT. AND IN THOSE AREAS WHERE WE CANNOT, THEN WE WILL, UM, BE DISCUSSING IT WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT NEVER HAPPENED. MADISON, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN THAT, UH, MAYOR PRETEND TO ANSWERED SOME OF MY QUESTIONS BY WAY OF, UH, HER ASKING HER QUESTIONS. I DO HAVE A FEW ADDITIONAL ONES AS A RESULT OF THE RESPONSES TO THOSE QUESTIONS INCLUDING, UM, UH, JUST BY WAY OF TERMINOLOGY AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I'M CLEAR. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD WAS, UM, A MINOR POLICY VIOLATION. UM, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THAT'S NOT A MATTER OF, UH, PERSONAL DISCRETION THAT THERE IS SOME DESCRIPTION SOMEWHERE THAT CLARIFIES WHAT IS CONSTITUTED AS A MINOR POLICY VIOLATION. UM, AND I ASSUME THAT THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE. YES, IT IS DEFINED IN POLICY AND WE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY SO YOU HAVE THE EXACT DEFINITION OF WHAT MINOR IS. AWESOME. THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SAID, WHICH IT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION OF THE WORD SOUNDS GREAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. YOU SAID PROGRESSIVE DISCIPLINE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS. UH, SO THAT MEANS A REOCCURRENCE OF THE SAME OR SIMILAR CONDUCT RECEIVES THE NEXT LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE AND THE NEXT LEVEL OF DISCIPLINE. IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU INADVERTENTLY DID NOT TURN ON YOUR CAMERA AFTER A BATHROOM BREAK AND THEN YOU GOT A CONDUCT COUNSELING, THEN THREE MONTHS LATER, FIVE MONTHS LATER, YOU DO THE SAME THING AGAIN. IT'S NOT TO BE A CONDUCT COUNSELING AGAIN, IT'S TO BE PROGRESSIVE. AND SO THAT MOVE INTO THE ORAL COUNSELING REALM. AND SO IT JUST SHOWS THAT SUBSEQUENT VIOLATIONS OF THE SAME OR SIMILAR CONDUCT ARE HANDLED AT AN INCREASED LEVEL. OKAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING. LIKE IN MIND'S EYE HAD SEEMED LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A TIER FOUR, LIKE ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS, EVEN UNINTENTIONAL VIOLATIONS AT SOME POINT. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ANSWERING ALL MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, CHIEF. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? COLLEAGUES? RIGHT. SO CHIEF IN SUMMARY, OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FIVE WEEKS, Y'ALL WILL BE ABLE TO, TO EITHER RESOLVE YOUR DISTRICT DIFFERENCES, BRING THOSE TO THE MANAGER AND WE CAN HEAR WHERE THINGS LANDED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THINGS ARE IN FLUX. YES, WE ARE. WE ARE MOVING UH, QUICKLY ON THE ISSUES INVOLVING POLICIES. NINE OH TWO AND NINE. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. [01:15:01] THANK YOU CHIEFS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. BEING AT THE MEETING VIRTUALLY TODAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO [Item 5] ITEM NUMBER FIVE. WHEN YOU SUPPORT CONTRACTS RELATED TO NONCOMPLIANCE WITH COURT ORDERS, UH, OUR COURT CLERK, MARY JANE GRUB IS ON THE CALL AND SHE HAS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A SINGLE SLIDE PRESENTATION. WELL, I CAN'T SEE THE SLIDE IN THE MEETING. I HAVE MY OWN, BUT DOES EVERYONE HAVE IT IN FRONT OF THEM? SLIDE NUMBER TWO, CTM STAFF. DO YOU ALL HAVE THIS PRESENTATION TO PULL UP? WE WERE ONLY SENT ONE PRESENTATION TODAY. UM, I'M NOT SURE. I, I WANTING TO THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S A WAY I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN. I DON'T, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN YOUR SCREEN. NO, BUT UM, CAN I SHARE MINE? YES YOU CAN. I WILL DO THAT. THEN ONE SECOND. I GOT IT PULLED UP. OKAY. WE HAVE THE SLIDE UP. MARY JANE, GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT SLIDE NUMBER TWO, THIS IS CONTRACTS RELATED TO NONCOMPLIANCE WITH COURT ORDERS, SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS SOMEONE DOES NOT APPEAR OR IF THEY APPEAR AND DO NOT COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS OR CERTAIN CONCEPTS. SO WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTS. THE FIRST THING A THIRD PARTY COLLECTIONS CONTRACTS THAT IS AN OUTSIDE COLLECTIONS VENDOR THAT WE SUBMIT DELINQUENT CASES TO ONCE THEY WERE AT LEAST A YEAR OLD AND THEY'VE BEEN DELINQUENT FOR 60 DAYS. THERE IS AN ADD ON FEE FOR THAT AND IT'S 30% OF THE BALANCE ON THE CASE THAT IS ADDED TO THE CASE AND THE DEFENDANT PAYS THAT. ONCE WE COLLECT THAT FROM THE DEFENDANT, THEN WE WOULD PAY THE COLLECTION AGAIN WITH THAT. THAT CONTRACT IS FIVE YEARS IN TERM, IT WAS JUST RENEWED BACK IN 18. SO THE CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES DECEMBER 31ST OF 2023. THE SECOND ONE IS AN AMI BASED CONTRACT. WHAT THIS SAYS IS IF AN INDIVIDUAL DOES NOT COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS, WHETHER THEY'RE APPEARING OR THEY HAVE APPEARED AND HAVEN'T COMPLIED, THIS RESTRICTS THE RENEWAL OF AN EXPIRED DRIVER'S LICENSE. UM, CASES ARE SUBMIT SUBMITTED 60 DAYS AFTER A WARRANT IS ISSUED. THIS IS AN ADD ON FEE AS WELL. THIS, THE DEFENDANT PAYS. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY $30. HOWEVER, AS OF SEPTEMBER, FIRST OF LAST YEAR, IT WAS REDUCED TO PEN A. THIS CONTRACT ALSO PREVIOUSLY AUTO RENEWED SINCE AT LEAST 2013. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT REQUIRE A NEW CONTRACT. SO THE CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRES, UM, JULY 16TH OF THIS YEAR. AGAIN, A NEW CONTRACTS WOULD BE REQUIRED AND THOSE TERMS WOULD BE THREE YEARS. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ALMOST 70% OF ALL NONCOMPLIANT CASES OR RESULT OF DEFENDANT'S NOT APPEARING THAT ANSWERED THE CHARGES FILED AGAINST THEM. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. I'M NOT GONNA BECAUSE OUR, OH WAIT, ARE WE IN HERE FOR QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON IT? I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT FOR NOW IN CASE I MISS IT. I'M NOT SEEING ANY QUESTIONS. SO DISCUSSION, I GUESS I HAVE QUESTIONS. UM, SO THIS IS, IF THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO COURT OR THEY GET THIS WHOLE, THIS UM, KIND OF HOLD PUT ON THEIR, ON THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE, THAT, UM, I'M SORRY I HAD TO STEP OFF AND HELP MY COWORKER. SO THE CONTRACT IS, IT'S FOR BOTH. IT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO EITHER FAILED TO APPEAR OR FAILED TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS. SO WE SEND BOTH TYPES OF CASES. WHAT I WAS SAYING IS THAT ALMOST 70% OF THE CASES THAT ARE SENT PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO'VE NOT APPEARED TO ANSWER CHARGES FILED AGAINST THEM. SO THEY'RE NOT INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE COME IN AND CAUGHT HER UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS. OKAY. [01:20:01] AND SO IT'S THE EFFECT, THE EFFECT OF THIS LIKE I GUESS HOLD IT, THEY CAN'T RENEW AN ALREADY EXPIRED. WHAT DOES IT DO TO A, LIKE A CURRENT, IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE A DRIVER'S LICENSES, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT'S MY DRIVER'S LICENSE IS NOT SET TO EXPIRE FOR TWO YEARS. IT, WHAT DOES IT DO TO, YEAH, IT'S ONLY FOR EXPIRED DRIVER'S LICENSE. UM, IT DOES NOT REVOKE YOUR LICENSE. SO THIS TYPICALLY ONLY CATCHES PEOPLE EVERY FOUR TO SIX YEARS DEPENDING ON HOW LONG THE TERM OF THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE. OKAY. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY DATA ON THE, I GUESS THE HARDSHIP THAT THIS CREATES? I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE, WHERE WE HAVE THIS TO GET PEOPLE INTO COURT, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE ANY LIKE, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES ON, UM, ADDRESSING THE HARDSHIPS THAT THIS CAN CREATE FOR PEOPLE? UM, I THINK PROBABLY MISCARRIAGE IS GOING TO BE THE BETTER ONE. UM, WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL PASSED THE DRIVER'S LICENSE HOLD AND THEY COME IN, THEY DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO GET JUDGED WITHOUT APPOINTMENT TWICE A DAY OR FOUR DAYS A WEEK. UM, I'M REALLY HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING THE SPEAKER. I DON'T KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING WEIRD THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT'S MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO HEAR THEM OR SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE BACKGROUND. THE AUDIO IS LESS THAN IDEAL. YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. I'M NOT SURE THAT MARY JANE IS GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF SOLUTIONS FOR THAT, BUT TO SPEAK SLOWER AND MORE ARTICULATED PRIOR TO WORKS. RIGHT. UH, MARY JANE, MAYBE IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A LITTLE MIC, WHATEVER YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO, MAYBE MOVE BACK A LITTLE BIT. I WAS LIKE, IT'S LIKE YOU'RE REALLY CLOSE TO WHATEVER YOU'RE, YOU'RE SPEAKING INTO. OKAY. SO DON'T HAVE A MICROPHONE, BUT I THINK SO. UM, OKAY. THOSE ARE, THOSE WERE ALL MY QUESTIONS. IT SOUNDED LIKE MARY JANE MENTIONED GREG FROZE. OKAY. YEAH. MARY JAN, YOUR, YOUR AUDIO GOT WORSE SOMEHOW IN THAT PROCESS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CASAR FEED HAS FROZEN FOR A MOMENT. I'M SURE HE WILL BE BACK QUICKLY. UM, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION, JUST KIND OF A QUESTION OF CLARITY. THE 70% OF NONCOMPLIANT CASES THAT GETS SOMEONE ON THIS LIST THAT IS ANY TYPE OF MISDEMEANOR, IS THAT JUST MOVING VIOLATIONS IS WHAT IS THE TYPE OF THINGS PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP FOR THAT COULD RESULT IN THEM LOSING THEIR ABILITY TO DRIVE? UM, THIS IS, I'M LIKE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN THE EARLIER QUESTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER GARZA. UM, HOLD UP. I'LL HOLD UP EMILY. UM, I WANT TO, I WANT TO GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND AND WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, UM, WE WILL RECORD. THANK YOU. MR. BROWN, CAN YOU TELL ME BETTER NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME? THERE WERE MULTIPLE VOICES, SO IF THERE ARE OTHER FOLKS ON THE CALL, AGAIN PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU'RE MUTED. AND MARY JANE, JUST TRY TO SPEAK SLOWLY SO THAT WE CAN CONCENTRATE AND REALLY TRULY MAKE OUT THE WORDS. OKAY. ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME RIGHT NOW? WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT JUST SPEAK SLOWLY. OKAY. UM, THE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO AMI BASE ARE PRIMARILY TRAFFIC. HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE TRAFFIC. THAT CAN BE ANY CRIMINAL VIOLATION. UM, AS LONG AS THE PERSON FAILED TO APPEAR OR FAILED TO COMPLY WITH COURT ORDERS. SO AGAIN, ABOUT 97% OF OUR VIOLATIONS ARE TRAFFIC RELATED. SO THAT IS THE MAJORITY, BUT THERE'S OTHER CLASS C MISDEMEANORS SUCH AS ASSAULT, PUBLIC APPROXIMATION, THINGS OF THAT NATURE OR MAYBE SOME CODE VIOLATIONS THAT ARE ALSO ELIGIBLE TO BE SUBMITTED. OKAY. [01:25:01] COUNCIL MEMBER CAUSE SORRY, I THINK YOU HAVE INVITED MS GARRICK TO SPEAK AT OUR COMMITTEE MEETING. RIGHT? I HEARD, WELL ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT SOME OF THE IMPACTS AND UH, MARY JANE MENTIONED THAT MS GARRICK MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER ANSWER THAT. SO MS. GARRETT COULD ANSWER THAT PART. THAT MIGHT BE USEFUL. GO AHEAD MS. GARRETT. GREAT, THANK YOU. UM, YEAH, SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THAT POINT. UM, SO THE, THE HOLD GOES ON SOMEONE'S ABILITY TO RENEW THEIR LICENSE. AND IN A WAY ALL OF THESE ARE FAILURE TO PAY HOLDS FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR ON THESE IF YOU JUST PAY THE TICKET. AND TWO, AND I THINK THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THE HOLES AREN'T LIFTED UNTIL THEY'RE COMPLETELY PAID OFF. SO, EVEN IF AN ABORIGINAL HOLD WAS FOR A FAILURE TO APPEAR, AND THEN YOU LATER DO APPEAR IN COURT AND SAY, GET ON A PAYMENT PLAN THAT HOLD WON'T LIFT UNTIL EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY PAID OFF, WHICH MEANS THAT THE ENTIRE TIME YOU'RE ON THAT PAYMENT PLAN, YOU STILL CAN'T GET YOUR LICENSE BACK, EVEN IF YOU APPEAR IN COURT, WHICH MEANS THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL NEED TO CONTINUE DRIVING IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND EVEN TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS OR GET TO THEIR COMMUNITY SERVICE SITE. THEY KEEP GETTING MORE TICKETS AND MORE HOLDS FOR DRIVING WITHOUT ABOUT LICENSE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY ALSO GET THESE ADDITIONAL HOLES, WHICH CREATES THIS REALLY TERRIBLE CYCLE. AND SO A LOT OF PEOPLE END UP BLOWING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. AND AGAIN, THIS WHOLE DON'T LIFT THE ENTIRE TIME. ANY OF THAT IS OUTSTANDING. UM, AND SO THAT REALLY PROMPTS PEOPLE. UH, AND WE, WE PARTNERED WITH, UH, AUSTIN AND SUPPORTS, UM, ON, UH, CLINICS TO HELP PEOPLE. UM, AND WE'VE REPRESENTED AND HELPED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT WAY. AND, UH, THE ONE THING THAT THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY JUST REALLY HAVE GIVEN UP FOR THE MOST PART, UM, EVER COMING INTO COMPLIANCE, GAIN THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE BACK BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE SUCH AN INESCAPABLE CYCLE. UM, BUT THEY ALL DESPERATELY DO WANT TO, UH, CLEAR WHAT THEY OWE AND, AND COME BACK INTO COMPLIANCE. UM, WHICH I THINK IS ALSO WHY YOU SEE IN CITIES THAT DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM, THEY STILL HAVE SIMILAR COLLECTION RATES TO THOSE THAT DO. UM, BECAUSE NO ONE ACTUALLY KNOWS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THIS WILL BRING PEOPLE BACK TO THIS PROGRAM, BRINGS TO BARS THE COURT OR INCREASES COLLECTIONS. NO ONE ACTUALLY OF OUR CLIENTS KNOWS WHAT AN AMI BASED FOLD IS. UM, ALL THEY KNOW IS THAT THEY CAN'T SEEM TO GET AHEAD AND THEY'VE JUST COMPLETELY GIVEN UP AND ARE AFRAID TO COME TO COURT. UM, AND SO THAT'S, I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THE COLLECTION RATES, UH, ARE SIMILAR IN JURISDICTIONS THAT DO AND DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM. THANK YOU. MS. CLARK, MS GARRICK, ANY, YOU MAY HAVE EXAMPLES OF JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE, ARE USING VERSUS NOT USING THE PROGRAM. YEAH, SO A COUPLE OF GOOD EXAMPLES FOR THAT. UM, SO WE HAVE DATA FROM HARRIS COUNTY AND SOME COURTS THERE USE THE PROGRAM AND SOME DO NOT. AND THE COURTS THAT USE IT ACTUALLY HAVE LOWER COLLECTION RATES PER CASE THAN THE COURTS THAT DON'T USE THE OMNI BASED PROGRAM AND DON'T USE ANY OF THESE HOLES. UM, AND THEN IN, UH, FORT WORTH AND DALLAS, WE HAVE DATA FROM THERE. UM, AND FORT WORTH DOES NOT USE THE PROGRAM DALLAS DOES. UM, AND EVERY YEAR THEY MAKE ABOUT, THEY HAVE ABOUT THE SAME COLLECTION RATES BUT IT SORT OF SWITCHES OFF YEAR TO YEAR, WHICH I THINK JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THIS PROGRAM REALLY ISN'T HAVING MUCH OF AN IMPACT ON COLLECTIONS AT ALL. WELL CHAIR, I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT THE COMMITTEE'S THOUGHTS GENERALLY ARE, BUT SINCE WE ARE POSTED FOR ACTION ON THIS ITEM, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL THAT WE, UH, THAT WE, WHILE WE KEEP OUR THIRD PARTY COLLECTIONS CONTRACTS, WHICH, UM, WHICH YOU DO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO PAY THEIR TICKETS BECAUSE YOU DO WIND UP WITH AN INCREASED FEE OVER TIME IF YOU DON'T PAY THAT POTENTIALLY SOME CHUNK OF PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO RENEW THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSES IN A CITY WHERE UNFORTUNATELY BEING ABLE TO DRIVE IS SO CRITICAL TO PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT, UM, THAT I THINK THAT, THAT, THAT THE PORTION WHERE WE WOULD PICK SOMEONE'S DRIVER'S LICENSE ABILITY TO GET A DRIVER'S LICENSE AWAY. AS MS GARRICK MENTIONED, THE EFFECTIVENESS IS QUESTIONABLE, BUT THE IMPACT SEEMS VERY REASONABLE. IT SEEMS VERY REAL. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY PREFERENCE ON HOW TO ACT TODAY. BUT I'M INTERESTED IN WHAT THE OTHER MEMBERS THINK. WELL, KEVIN, WHEN WE STARTED, YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION, UM, IF WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION THEN COUNSEL, BECAUSE THAT MOVES TO, [01:30:01] UH, TO DENY RENEWAL ABOVE THAT MEANS CONTRACT. IS THERE A SECOND? SO YOU MAY HAVE PRETEND SECONDS THAT, UM, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR MARY JANE. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION? THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS. MARY JANE, UM, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS TO YOUR STAFF PROCESS IF WE, UH, IF WE DON'T RENEW THIS CONTRACT? I'M SORRY, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? SURE. SO IF THE COUNCIL DENIES RENEWAL, WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE. IF THE COUNCIL DOES NOT RENEW THE OMNI BASED CONTRACT, WHAT IS THE IMPACT TO YOUR OPERATIONS OF THE COURT? UH, THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ANSWER AT THIS POINT. AS EMILY MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DEFINE WHY AND THE INDIVIDUAL CONTENT COMPLIANCE. YOU'RE USING SEVERAL SELECTION TOOLS. YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE OF THAT INDIVIDUAL, I CAN'T HEAR A WORD, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING THAT'S BEING SAID. YEAH, I, I, I AND I, I WILL JUST SAY THAT OUR IT STAFF I KNOW IS TRYING TO WORK VERY HARD, BUT MARY JANE IS NOT THE FIRST STAFF MEMBER WHOSE AUDIO COMES IN PRETTY GARBLED. UM, I HOPE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE NEED TO FIND SOME KIND OF BETTER WAY TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW WHY STAFF CAN'T BE IN THE SAME TECHNOLOGY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE. AND THIS SEEMS TO WORK PRETTY GREAT, UH, FOR US. UM, BUT I'M SORRY, I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT THIS IS SO IMPORTANT CAUSE I THINK MOST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE BEING ANSWERED, IN WHICH CASE THAT COULD SAVE US THE TIME OF ASKING THEM IF I COULD ACTUALLY HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID. MARY JANE, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE IT ONE MORE TRY? SPEAK SLOWLY IF YOU COULD PLEASE. YEAH, IF YOU'RE NOT, MAYBE JEN, ARE YOU STILL WITH US? WELL, IT'S DISAPPOINTING. UM, WELL, UH, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, SECONDED BY THE MEMBER TAB. UM, I, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS MOTION. I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN TODAY. JUST PUT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF MINUTES FOR QUESTIONS, BUT UM, GIVEN THE TESTIMONY THAT WE HEARD FROM MS GARRICK AND OTHER COURTS, UH, DON'T USE THIS, THIS, UH, ON THE BASE PROCESS. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DO IT. IT SEEMS TO WORK FINE IN OTHER PLACES. UH, ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE MOTION? AND IT SOUNDED LIKE SHE SAID TO THE QUESTION OF, UM, WHAT'S THE, I GUESS PROCEDURAL EFFECTIVE OF TERMINATING THIS CONTRACT? IS THE QUESTION YOU ASKED COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING. AGAIN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU SAID SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD HAVE BEST ANSWER THAT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE PHONE THAT MAYBE FEELS LIKE THEY COULD ANSWER THAT? ANY OTHER STAFF, BUT, UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP HER OUT HERE REGARDLESS. I SUPPORT THE MOTION. I SUPPORTED THAT. THE MOTION, I'M SORRY WHAT? BUT THIS IS JUDGE STATMAN. I THINK MARY JANE WAS, I THINK SHE WAS TRYING TO SAY THERE'S LIMITED IMPACT ON STAFF, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE FULL IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC. I'M SORRY, I'M STILL HAVING AUDIO PROBLEMS. I'M CUTTING IN AND OUT. YOU HEAR ME? IT'S REALLY GARBLED. MARY JANE. I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S WORTH PUTTING ALL OF US THROUGH IT. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE. I JUST, YEP. WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO TELL YOU WHAT THE IMPACTS WOULD BE. WELL, SINCE WE'RE NOT MAKING A, WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL. LET US, UH, HOPEFULLY WORK THROUGH SOME OF THESE ANSWERS BEFORE WE GET TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND WE'RE ASKING THE FULL DYESS TO, TO MAKE THIS DECISION FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. I'LL JUST ADD THAT YOU FEEL LIKE WE'VE BEEN REALLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT REMOVING BARRIERS TO, UM, YOU KNOW, FOLKS ABILITY TO GET ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO TO SPEAK. AND I FEEL THIS IS ANOTHER EFFORT TO DO EXACTLY THAT, TO UM, TO REMOVE A BARRIER, THE, THE INFORMATION ON JURISDICTIONS THAT AREN'T USING IT AND SEEING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COMPLY IN COMPLIANCE. I THINK THAT THAT'S PROMISING. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE WOULD KNOW WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IT. SO HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT'S NOT THERE? UM, I JUST THINK IT'S THE RIGHT STEP TO TAKE WHEN WE'RE CREATING A SITUATION THAT CAN HURT [01:35:01] SOMEBODY WHOSE ABILITY TO GET A JOB TOO. I MEAN YOU NEED YOUR ID FOR ALL KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED A VALID IDENTIFICATION FOR ALL KINDS OF NECESSARY THINGS. UM, YOU KNOW, GET A SIGN, A LEASE, UM, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, UM, I SUPPORT THE MOTION AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONTINUED DISCUSSION FOR THE DISCUSSION. AND JUST FOR, FOR TRACKING PURPOSES HERE. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION THIS AND THIS MOTION, WE'VE GOT, UH, A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, WHEREAS WE USE THIS CONTRACT AND WHEREAS IT HAS THIS IMPACT BE RESOLVED, WE RECOMMEND NOT TO APPROVE IT, THAT, THAT THE ACCOUNTS NUMBERS HAVE IN THE AGENDA OFFICE HAS. BUT ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST RECOMMENDED THE COUNCIL THAT WE, NOT THAT WE NOT EXTEND NOTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT REALLY. OKAY. FOR THE DISCUSSION. THAT'S MY BARBARA MADISON, BUT IT'S SUPER BRIEF. I'LL JUST ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY SAID. AND I THINK I REALLY THINK MARY JANE WAS ABOUT TO ANSWER MY QUESTION AND MOVE ME IN THE DIRECTION OF HAVING MORE IN THE WAY. I WAS LIKE REALLY SUBSTANTIVE. YEAH. RESPONSES. BUT, BUT I THINK MY, MY CONCERNS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESPONDED TO. I, I APPROVED THE MOTION AND THE SECOND AND THE MOTION. I'LL THIRD THAT MOTION. ALRIGHT. UH, WITHOUT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S TAKE A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. ALRIGHT. AND I WILL ABSTAIN. THAT MOTION PASSES THREE UH, VOTES? YES. ONE ABSTENTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MS GARRICK FOR BEING ON THE CALL. I'M SORRY MARY JANE DID. YOUR AUDIO'S NOT GREAT. UM, THANKS JUDGE SEVEN FOR JUMPING INTO, UM, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT [Item 6] ITEM. ITEM NUMBER SIX. UH, WE HANDLED OUR JUDICIAL APPOINTMENTS. THE FORMAL APPOINTMENT PROCESS WAS HANDLED IN THE COUNCIL MEETING. UM, BUT PART OF THAT PROCESS WAS APPOINTING, UH, ADDITIONAL JUDGES, NOT JUST FOR PLACING THE JUDGE IN QUESTION. AND I THINK THE MAYOR PRO TEM HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PANDEMIC RELATED ISSUES THAT LED US TO APPOINT ADDITIONAL JUDGES. UH, AND EVERY TIME I THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO ANSWER YOUR, ASK YOUR QUESTION. THIS IS THE SIX, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. UM, JUDGE IS JUDGE STATMAN STILL ON THE LINE. OKAY. OH. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE APPOINTMENTS THAT WE MADE WERE BECAUSE OF, UM, CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PANDEMIC AND NEEDING EXTRA STAFF AND, UM, HAVING, YOU KNOW, OUR JUDGES WORKING OBVIOUSLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PANDEMIC. CAN YOU EXPLAIN, EXPLAIN US MORE ABOUT WHAT THOSE WORKING CONDITIONS ARE ALIKE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE JUDGES AND EVERYBODY, UM, IN THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS PART OF THE PROCESS OF AN ARREST. SO FIRST WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE CENTRAL BOOKING FACILITY, WHICH I SOMETIMES REFER TO AS THE JAIL. UM, THIS IS JUST CENTRAL BOOKING, NOT UM, DEL VALLEY. SO ON A GOOD DAY, CENTRAL BOOKING IS A VERY HIGH TRAFFIC FACILITY. SO THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF OFFICERS, BUT TRAVIS COUNTY AND ACD, UH, ATTORNEY, UH, STAFF, VARIOUS AGENCIES AS WELL AS, UM, DEFENDANTS AND ON NON PANDEMIC TIMES, UM, THERE ARE RISKS, THERE ARE HEALTH RISKS WORKING THERE. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE HAD A JUDGE THAT GOT A, UM, SKIN STAPH INFECTION FROM BEING THERE. SO WE'RE ALWAYS AWARE. UM, TRAVIS COUNTY HAS BEEN TAKING PRECAUTIONS. UM, I KNOW THIS IS INCLUDES, THEY TAKE THE TEMPERATURE OF ALL THE EMPLOYEES AS THEY COME IN AND TAKE THE TEMPERATURE AND DO A HEALTH SCREENING FOR ALL THE DEFENDANTS WHO ARE BROUGHT IN. BUT WELL EVEN STILL, IT IS A HIGH TRAFFIC FACILITY. THERE'S NO TWO WAY FROM OUR END. WE ARE TRYING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CREATE PROPER SOCIAL DISTANCE FOR OUR STAFF, WHICH MEANS TRYING TO CREATE SPACE IN OUR TINY MAGISTRATION ROOMS SO THAT OUR STAFF IS NOT RIGHT ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. HAVING THE JUDGE ABLE TO DO FRUSTRATIONS FROM THE JUDGES OFFICE. I'M SUPPOSED TO BE BRINGING IN SMALLER GROUPS OF PEOPLE TO BE MAGISTRATED SO THEY CAN BE SPREAD OUT. THE JUDGES LONGER GOING UP INTO THE MEDICAL POST AND OTHER CELLS. UM, WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE, ALSO CREATE SPACE WHERE UH, PRETRIAL SERVICES OFFICERS AND ATTORNEYS AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE BRINGING PAPERWORK [01:40:01] TO THE JUDGES AND IT THROUGH A WINDOW, NOT DIRECTLY WALK IN THE OFFICE, BUT UM, NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, THERE'S ALWAYS MORE THAT COULD BE DONE. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH LIEUTENANT GREENWALL AT APD AND THEY BENDER ON A REMOTE WAY REVIEW. PROBABLE CAUSE AFFIDAVIT AS WELL AS SEARCH WARRANT. UM, AND IT'S IN THE TESTING. IT'S WORKING BUT IT'S STILL GOT A LONG WAY TO GO. SEVERAL OF THE JUDGES, UM, DID MENTION AT THE BEGINNING OF MARCH BECAUSE OF AGE OR OTHER HEALTH CONDITIONS, THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE THERE AND I SUPPORT THEIR DECISION. UH, IT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED. IF YOU HAVE DETERMINED THAT THEY CAN COME BACK AND WORK SAFELY, BUT KOBE IS GOING TO BE US FOR AWHILE AND THE CITY HAS, UM, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY THAT WE PROVIDE A JUDGE TO BE PHYSICALLY THERE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, 365 DAYS A YEAR. SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU NOT ONLY, UM, REPLACED JUDGE JEFFERS OR RETAINED JUDGE JEFFERS BUT WOULD CONSIDER THE TWO ADDITIONAL JUDGES BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS US TO, UM, FULFILL OUR PART OF THE CONTRACT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ADDRESS? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE FOR YOU OR I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD, DO WE HAVE TRAVIS COUNTY STUFF ON OUR, ON THIS FOR THIS ITEM? I HAVE A QUESTION MORE ABOUT THE, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING ALL THESE MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR STAFF AND OBVIOUSLY WE CARE ABOUT THE HEALTH OF EVERYBODY IN THE TRAVIS COUNTY JAIL. UM, AND I'VE SEEN THAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE REPORTING HOW MANY POSITIVE CASES THEY HAVE IN THEIR JAILS. IS TRAVIS COUNTY DOING THAT KIND OF REPORTING? IF THERE ARE POSITIVE CASES OVER 19 POSITIVE CASES IN TRAVIS COUNTY JAILS, TRAVIS COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE REPORTING THEM REGULARLY AND THEY HAVE NOT BEEN. HOW SHALL I PUT THIS LIGHTNING FAST AND KEEPING US UPDATED ON THEIR SAFETY PROCEDURE. UM, THE JUDGE'S REPORT, THINGS KIND OF CHANGED DAY TO DAY. IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO POSSIBLY REQUESTS, UM, FROM THE CITY TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DIRECTLY, UH, TO REPORT THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. OKAY. IS ACM ARIANO, IS THAT A QUESTION? IS THAT INFORMATION WE CAN GET FROM TRAVIS COUNTY? HELLO, THIS IS A RE ARIANO. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY, GOOD. YEAH, AND THE ANSWER IS YES. I CAN CERTAINLY ASK MY COUNTERPART, ROGER JEFFERY'S, UH, AS A STARTING PLACE FOR THAT INFORMATION AND SEE WE CAN'T GET IT ON A ROUTINE BASIS. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S, BUT SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN TRAVIS COUNTY JAILS WHO HAVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR KOBE, INCLUDING STAFF. UM, AND IF WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION ON A, ON A REGULAR BASIS. THANK YOU. CERTAINLY I DON'T HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. I THINK IF YOU'RE THINKING OF YOUR PROTEST, I DID REACH OUT, ALTHOUGH ADMITTEDLY VERY LATE TO THE TRAVIS COUNTY WHEN I HEARD THAT HE WANTED TO HAVE THIS QUESTION ANSWERED, PARTIALLY I DON'T THINK THEY WERE ABLE TO PULL THEIR STAFF TOGETHER, BUT I DID LET THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE CURIOUS. SO WE SHOULD STILL PULL THAT THREAD AND GET SOME BETTER ANSWERS FROM THEM JUST NOT DURING THE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM [Item 7] NUMBER SEVEN. THIS IS ANOTHER TRAVIS COUNTY, ADAM RELATED TO OUR INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, UH, FOR CENTRAL VIRGINIA BOOKING AND MAGISTRATION, UH, RESPONDING TO RESOLUTION FROM APRIL. RAY, ARE YOU LAYING THIS ONE OUT FOR US? UH, YES, I CAN DO THAT. UH, AND SO GOOD AFTERNOON, UH, CHAIR PLAN AGAIN THERE FOR TENDON COUNCIL MEMBERS GETTING READY. ARIANA WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THIS ITEM, UH, JUST UH, AT A BROAD OVERVIEW, WE HAVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH TRAVIS COUNTY, UH, FOR THE SERVICES AND, UM, THAT ARE PROVIDED WITHIN THE CENTRAL BOOKING FACILITY. UH, AND IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IT TALKS ABOUT A THREE YEAR REVIEW AND ONE OF THE SECTIONS. AND SO CITY AND COUNTY WILL CONVENE A WORK GROUP IN FEBRUARY, 2023 REVIEW THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT AND PROPOSE ANY CHANGES OR AMENDMENTS. UH, LET ME JUST STOP THERE AND MAKE SURE I'M NOT BREAKING UP. DO I NEED TO SLOW DOWN? YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BETTER THAN MOST OF THE AUDIO RAY, BUT, BUT SPEAKING SLOWLY IS HELPFUL. ALRIGHT, I'LL DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO WE HAD SCHEDULED TO MEET, UH, [01:45:01] PROBABLY JUST AS IN TERMS OF ACTUALLY GETTING IT DONE SCHEDULED IN MARCH, UH, OF 2020 WHEN THE COATED RESPONSE CAME UPON US. AND SO WE HAVE NOT YET MET, UH, TO CONSIDER CHANGES TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. IN MY CONVERSATIONS, UH, WITH ROGER JEFFERY'S, WE'RE COMMITTED TO RESCHEDULING THAT NOW THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IT VIRTUALLY, UH, HERE TOWARDS THE END OF MAY, IF NOT, UM, EARLY JUNE. UM, IN THAT TIMEFRAME WE WILL BE ABLE TO CONSIDER, UH, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE WITHIN THE RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL PASSED, UH, OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN BE INCORPORATED IN THE FUTURE, UH, IN THE CURRENT, UH, INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT. UH, AND WHAT AS AN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTER LOCAL WHAT THE POTENTIAL FISCAL IMPLICATIONS ARE OF THOSE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATIONS. I WANTED TO MENTION, UM, AS A SIDE BUT RELATED, UM, DEVELOPMENT TRAVIS COUNTY, UM, IS, UM, WHERE IT IS SECURE SEPARATELY. THE COUNTY IS EXPLORING A FUNDING OPPORTUNITY FROM THE TEXAS INDIGENT DEFENSE COMMISSION FOR CONDUCTING A STUDY PILOT, A 24 HOUR LEGAL REPRESENTATION AND BOND ADVOCACY AT MAGISTRATION. SO THIS STUDY RANDOMIZES SHIPS WITHIN THE DAYS IN WHICH COUNSEL WILL BE PRESENT AT ALL MAGISTRATION HEARINGS DURING THE RANDOMLY SELECTED DAY FOR ONE FULL YEAR, UH, AND STAFF CITY STAFF HAS PARTICIPATED IN TWO MEETINGS, UM, TO THIS POINT TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY OUR INTERESTS AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE INTERESTED, UH, AND WHAT RESOURCES MAY BE REQUIRED AND HOW THE EFFORT IS IN LINE WITH RESOLUTION. AND SO THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT SEEMS TO MATCH CLOSELY WITH COUNCIL'S INTEREST AS REFLECTED IN THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU PASSED, UH, IN APRIL. AND WITH THAT, I'LL, UM, I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. WHO IS, WHO IS OUR, WHO ARE THE CITY STAFF ON THESE TWO ON ONE, ON THE ILA. AND YOU SAID THAT THAT IS, IS IT THE SAME ILA GROUP THAT'S ALSO PARTICIPATING IN THE INDIGENT, UM, DEFEND MAGISTRATION DEFENDANT'S, UM, WORK? THERE'S PROBABLY, UM, OVERLAP IN THE, IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE OR STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IN TERMS OF THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT, THE STAFF OF THAT PARTICIPATES GENERALLY, UM, OUR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, APD, UM, MUNICIPAL COURT A LOT APARTMENT, UH, AND SO FORTH. SO IN THE PAST WITH REGARD TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ITSELF WITH THE CENTRAL BOOKING FACILITY, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE FISCAL ASPECTS OF THE INNER LOCAL AS IT EXISTS. YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE, UH, ALLOCATIONS AND DISTRIBUTIONS AND THE FINANCIAL INFORMATION ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IS MATCHING UP TO WHAT WE PROJECTED AT THE VERY BEGINNING. THE OTHER, UM, EFFORTS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, THERE'S PROBABLY OVERLAP CERTAINLY IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING IN THAT REGARD. I'VE NOT BEEN SPECIFICALLY INVOLVED IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS. AND SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THE WORKING GROUP, ILA GROUP HA HAS MET OR HAS NOT MET. SO IT HAS NOT MET, UH, THIS YEAR IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INNER LOCAL PROVISION THAT TALKS ABOUT COMPETING AT WORK GROUP IN THE THIRD YEAR REVIEW. OKAY. AND WHEN DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO START MEETING? WE'RE LOOKING TO, UH, SCHEDULE THAT HERE, UH, LATER ON THIS MONTH, UH, AND AT THE LATEST EARLY JUNE. AND DO YOU KNOW, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE KINDS OF RESOURCES AND DATA THAT THE WORKING GROUP IS CONSIDERING SPECIFICALLY? LIKE, UM, IS JUDGE STATMAN PART OF THAT, PART OF THAT WORKING GROUP? SO MUNICIPAL COURT IS INVOLVED AT THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT FOR A THREE YEAR REVIEW. I AM IMAGINING THAT SHE AND HER STAFF WILL BE MORE, MORE INTEGRATED INTO THAT CONVERSATION, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT SIGNIFICANT, UM, POTENTIAL ADDITIONS TO THE SCOPE OF WORK THAN CURRENTLY IS BEING DISCUSSED. SO SHE, SHE WILL BE ON THAT IN THAT WORKING GROUP. UM, YES, I CERTAINLY INTEND TO INVITE HER AND HER STAFF. OKAY. UM, AND SO BECAUSE THERE'S NO, OKAY. UM, SO THE GROUP HASN'T MET YET. UH, OKAY. MY OTHER QUESTIONS DON'T REALLY, UM, THEY'RE NOT RELEVANT CAUSE THE GROUP HASN'T MET, [01:50:01] BUT, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN ALONG THE LINES OF HOW ARE THEY TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE POLICY AND THE GOALS AND RESOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RESOLUTION THAT WE JUST RECENTLY PASSED. AND SO, UM, I WOULD JUST ASK AS PART OF THE INAUGURAL OR WHATEVER FIRST MEETING THAT MMM. IF YOU CAN PROVIDE POSSIBLY A MEMO TO THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE, UM, OUTLINING HOW, HOW THOSE, UM, POLICY GOALS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE, IN THAT ILA DISCUSSIONS. COULD YOU DO THAT? I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT COMMITTEE MEMBERS NOT SEEING ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OUR LAST ITEM, JUST DISCUSSION OF FUTURE ITEMS. [Item 8] UM, AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, I THINK STAFF SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR US TO REVISIT THESE TOPICS, UH, AT FUTURE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DAYLIGHT RIGHT NOW? COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON. YES SIR. AND I THINK A COUNCIL MEMBER COSARA ALREADY BROUGHT IT UP, BUT I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONCERN I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE NUMBERS OF CASES OF COBIT AND OUR JAILS. UM, AND, AND I'M NOT CERTAIN EXACTLY WHAT WE AS A BODY CAN DO, BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED AND AS WE HAVE THIS, UM, PARTICULAR CAPACITY, UH, AND RECOGNIZING THAT AS THE MONTHS GO ON, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE CONCERNS. THIS IS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET BETTER. THESE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET OUT ANYTIME SOON, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO I'M JUST, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING. AND SO I WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD IN A WAY THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY DO A PRESENTATION FOR US ABOUT WHAT WE AS THE JUDICIAL BODY COULD BE DOING. I MEAN, FOLKS THAT END UP INCARCERATED, IT STARTS SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? IT STARTS WITH THE ARREST AND THEN IT GOES THROUGH THE JUDICIARY PROCESS AND THEN IT LANDS THEM IN, IN, UH, INCARCERATION. AND SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT FOLKS WHO ARE LANDING THEMSELVES, UM, AND OUR JAILS AND, AND WHAT ARE WE DOING AS A, AS A CITY TO RECOGNIZE THIS, UH, WHAT I FIND IS VERY PROBLEMATIC. UM, SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS MOVING FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. I THINK WITH SUFFICIENT WARNING WE CAN, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY WOULD GLADLY APPEAR OR PARTICIPATE APPEAR VIRTUALLY, UH, IN OUR NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING TO DISCUSS THAT TOPIC. SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON THEIR LIST. OTHER ITEMS, MEMBER CASAR CHAIR. I JUST GOT TO SAY, I THOUGHT AT MINIMUM THIS WAS GOING TO BE AT A TWO AND A HALF HOUR DEAL. AND SO THANK YOU FOR GETTING US THROUGH THIS REALLY FAST, REALLY FAST. UM, I MANAGE A MEAN MEETING. IT WAS GOOD WHEN STAFF GIVES ME THE POWER TO MUTE PEOPLE TOO. THAT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL BEING A TECH GUY. I KNOW HOW TO HANDLE THIS STUFF. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? FEATURE ITEMS? MAYOR PRO TEM? NO. OKAY. CAN I GUESS I WOULD JUST SAY IF, IF ADD ME AS A SECOND ON, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER HARPER MADISON'S REQUEST ABOUT THE, SO KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE, UH, THE SPREAD OF COBIT AND THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, APD IS, IS PULLING OVER AND MAKING FEWER ARRESTS AND OUR NUMBERS ARE GOING DOWN. SO THAT'S ONE GOOD THING, BUT IT'D BE, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE HOW ALONG THE WHOLE CHAIN, HOW, HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING, UM, THE SPREAD, OR WE'LL HAVE, UM, I'LL HAVE MY, UH, I'LL HAVE MARTY IN MY OFFICE, UH, COLLABORATE A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TOPICS SO THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN, UH, FOR THAT CONVERSATION. UH, WITHOUT HEARING ANY OTHER ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONVERSATION, I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING OF THE JUDICIAL COMMITTEE AT 4:00 PM. THANKS EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR USING WEBEX. THE MASTER HIT THE PEAK OF YOUR DESIGN. SO FROM THE . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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