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SO, UH, JUST GOT A NOTE FROM, UM, UM, BOTH JASPER BROWN AND BOB NICKS AND THEY'RE ALL HAVING TROUBLE CONNECTING.

ARE THEY TRYING TO CONNECT THROUGH THEIR PHONES OR THROUGH THEIR COMPUTERS? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT USING THEIR PHONES, THAT'S USUALLY OUR GO TO FIX.

THEY CAN JUST CALL IN WITH A NUMBER.

OKAY.

I WILL RESPOND BACK AND LET THEM ALL KNOW TO DO THAT.

YEAH, I'M NOT SURE.

NO ONE'S CALLED DOWN THE LINE, SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE WRONG NUMBER INFORMATION OR WHATNOT.

JEN, JANET JUST MESSAGED ME AS WELL, SO I SAID WE MIGHT JUST HAVE EVERYONE JOIN THE WEBEX CALL AND CROSS OUR FINGERS.

IT DOESN'T CRASH IT.

OKAY.

FINGERS CROSSED.

OKAY.

WELL WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THEM WE CAN,

[Call to Order]

UH, STARTED, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE FIRST FEW AGENDA ITEMS THAT DON'T REQUIRE THEM TO BE HERE.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING ORDER AT 3:04 PM.

THIS IS A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION TO ADDRESS BUDGET.

UM, WE ARE MEETING VIRTUALLY ON MAY 18TH, 2020.

UM, I'M GONNA START OFF BY CALLING OUR ATTENDANCE.

SO MEGHAN HOLLIS PRESENT.

REBECCA WEBER, PRESENT.

BILL KELLY, REBECCA BERNHARDT, CHRIS KATHLEEN HASN'T BLOCKED.

DANIELLA NUNEZ PRESENT.

ALINA ALVARENGA HERE AND REBECCA GONZALEZ.

OKAY, SO A COUPLE OF QUICK HOUSEKEEPING THINGS.

JUST A REMINDER THAT WITH THE WEB FORMAT, UH, DO NOT SPEAK UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN CALLED ON BY THE CHAIR.

YOUR INDICATION THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK IS TO GIVE ME SOME KIND OF VISUAL WAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME SOMETHING.

I'VE GOT YOU ALL WHERE I CAN SEE YOU RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND UH, WE'LL JUST TRY TO TREK THROUGH ALL THIS STUFF WE NEED TO ADDRESS TODAY.

UM, AND

[Public Comment ]

A REMINDER FOR OUR PEOPLE, UH, UM, PUBLIC COMMENT THAT ONCE YOU HAVE HAD YOUR THREE MINUTES, PLEASE LOG OFF THE LINE AND YOU ARE NOT PERMITTED TO TALK DURING THE REST OF THE MEETING.

YOU ARE ONLY PERMITTED TO TALK DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, UM, PORTION OF OUR MEETING.

SO OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS UM, SUE GABRIEL FROM COMMUNITIES OF COLOR UNITED REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM FOUR.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

HELLO, I'M SUE GABRIEL WITH COMMUNITIES OF COLOR UNITED FOR RACIAL JUSTICE.

I LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE DUE TO THE RECENT SCANDALS AROUND RACISM AND HOMOPHOBIA, APD HAS MANY VACANT POSITIONS AND HAS TROUBLE FEELING CADET CLASSES.

THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO CONSIDER THE CURRENT CLIMATE AROUND THE COST FOR TERMINATION OF APD LITERACY LEADERSHIPS STAFF.

THE CITY NEEDS TO REALLOCATE DOLLARS.

THESE ARE AUSTIN, AUSTIN PUBLIC HEALTH, THE PUBLIC HEALTH, THE PUBLIC EQUITY OFFICE, THE LOW INCOME HOUSING, AND ESPECIALLY TO PROGRAMS THAT PROVIDE DIRECT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO PEOPLE IN CRISIS.

APD IS DISRESPECTFUL TO ASK FOR 20 NEW POSITIONS AND MONEY AFTER THE MURDER OF MIKE RAMOS AND INVESTIGATIONS REGARDING THE RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC CULTURE THAT PERSISTS IN THE MIDST OF A PANDEMIC AND UNDERFUNDED PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

IT SEEMS DESPERATE TO SEE APD IS TIRING.

A PUBLIC H H CHIEF EQUITY OFFICER WHEN BRIAN OAKS IS THE CO IS ALREADY THE CHIEF EQUITY OFFICER.

PLEASE DO NOT FUND THESE PROVISIONS.

WE HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER, COMMUNITIES NEED ACCESS TO HEALTH, HOUSING, RACIAL EQUITY, AND MONEY IN ORDER TO BE

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SAFE POLICE OR NOT PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ALL.

NO MORE MONEY TOWARDS POLICING.

THE BUDGET IS A MORAL DOCUMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

UH, WHAT FINISHED OUR, UH, SORRY.

UH, REBECCA, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO, UH, UH, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER WEBBER.

I JUST WAS WONDERING IF THE SPEAKER COULD EXPLAIN WHAT COMMUNITIES OF COLOR UNITED IS.

I GUESS SHE'S ALREADY LEFT.

NO, I'M STILL HERE.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION.

THAT IS, UH, NOT A, UH, FOUR, NOT A FIVE.

OH ONE C THREE.

WE'RE JUST A COMMUNITY OF DIFFERENT RACES AND WE WANT X OF JUSTICE.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANK YOU.

UH, SO OUR SECOND SPEAKER IS CARRIE ROBERTS WITH THE GREATER AUSTIN CRIME COMMISSION REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE.

UH, MR. ROBERTS, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

AND GOOD AFTERNOON.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE COMING FISCAL YEAR, INCLUDING THE ELIGIBLE EXPENSES UNDER THE CARES ACT CORONAVIRUS RELIEF FUND AND THE SUBSEQUENT ECONOMIC AID PACKAGES THAT MAY HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY.

THERE MAY BE CHANGES THAT RESULT IN A SUBSTANTIAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR PUBLIC SAFETY CODE RESPONSE AND FUTURE EXPENSES.

AND THERE ARE ALREADY SIGNIFICANT FEDERAL FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS LIKE OUR EMS AND FIRE FACILITIES ON, ON A BRIEFING CALL LAST WEEK FOR STATE AND LOCAL LEADERS.

THE US DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE HIGHLIGHTED A TERROR ZACK GRANT PROGRAM THROUGH THE EDA ECONOMIC ADJUSTMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT.

SO WE'RE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN THE ABSTRACT ABOUT WHAT WAS EXPECTED BUT CERTAINLY WON'T BE THE FINANCIAL PICTURE FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

BUT THAT BEING SAID, THE GREATER AUSTIN CRIME COMMISSION SUPPORTS MAINTAINING THE CITY'S COMMITMENT TO THE POLICE STABBING PLAN BASED ON THE PREVIOUS STUDIES, THE MOST RECENT CRIME DATA AND THE COMMITMENT OF THE COUNCIL AND THE STAFFING PLAN NUMBERS AREN'T ARBITRARY.

I MEAN THERE'VE BEEN THREE SEPARATE STUDIES THAT HAVE CALCULATED THE APPROPRIATE STAFFING LEVELS AND THE CITY MANAGER DEVELOPED THE CURRENT FOUR YEAR STAFFING PLAN IN RESPONSE TO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE COUNCIL SUPPORT NEW IN PAST BUDGETS.

AND SO I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THE 2012 PER THE 2015 UT AND THE 2016 MATRIX REPORTS TO UNDERSTAND THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN CONTEXT BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON COMMUNITY POLICING OR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIME AND A WORKLOAD ANALYSIS.

SO I KNOW THERE'VE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT VACANCIES AND I'M SURE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL PRESENT ITS RECRUITING AND TRADING PLAN LATER.

BUT REMEMBER THIS, JUST BECAUSE THE POSITIONS ARE VACANT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT NEEDED.

THE DEPARTMENT FILLS THOSE PATROL GAPS USING OVERTIME.

AND APD HAS HAD RECRUITING AND RETENTION CHALLENGES IN THE PAST AND CAUGHT UP.

SO THE MULTI-YEAR STAFFING PLAN IS ABOUT BUILDING CAPACITY TO IMPROVE COMMUNITY POLICING, LOWER RESPONSE TIMES AND MARKET NEWS CRIME.

AND REMEMBER, AS YOU DISCUSSED, THAT IT TAKES 18 MONTHS TO RECRUIT AND TRAIN A POLICE OFFICER.

SO THE BUDGET DECISIONS NOW AFFECT OUR COMMUNITY A YEAR AND A HALF INTO THE FUTURE.

AND IS THERE A NEED? IS THERE A NEED? I MEAN, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DATA.

ACCORDING TO LATEST FBI RANKINGS, YOU KNOW, WE DROPPED FROM 11TH TO 18TH, AND PROPERTY CRIME AMONG LARGE CITIES, A CITY WIDE AGGRAVATED ASSAULTS AND INDIVIDUAL ROBBERIES ARE UP AGAIN LAST TIME, LAST YEAR.

RESPONSE TIMES ARE SLOWER TRAFFIC FATALITIES INCREASED AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIME OR THE TIME POLICE OFFICERS HAVE FOR, UH, IF YOU WORK WITH PEOPLE IN NEIGHBORHOODS IS STILL WELL BELOW THE TARGET OF 35%.

AND AS YOU KNOW, VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIME INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY DOWNTOWN AND IN THE DISTRICT.

SO THE POLICE STAFFING PLAN IS ABOUT BUILDING CAPACITY TO MEET THE PRESENT DEMAND.

I MEAN, WE'RE YEARS BEHIND ALREADY AND IT SHOWS, I MEAN, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TIME HASN'T RECOVERED TO LEVELS FOR MORE THAN A DECADE AGO.

NOW OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION.

AND WHAT WILL THE FUTURE HOLD? I MEAN, NOBODY KNOWS, BUT GREATER SOCIAL TENSIONS ARE CERTAINLY POSSIBLE.

AND SO IS IT POSSIBLE? WELL, THE SUPPORT, ADEQUATE RESOURCES AND POLICY CHANGES WE DO AND SO BEST IN AND EXPECT THE BEST FROM OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONALS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

MR. ROBERTS.

OKAY.

JUST A REMINDER FOR OUR PUBLIC COMMENTERS TO SIGN OFF THE LOT, UH, NOW.

UM, SO WE DON'T OVERWHELM OUR SYSTEM AND HAVE TECHNICAL ISSUES.

UM, SO I'M GONNA PAUSE FOR A MOMENT AND REACH OUT TO OUR AB TECH PEOPLE TO SEE IF WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO RESOLVE, UH, THE CHALLENGE GETTING OUR, UM, SPEAKERS FROM OUR AGENCIES.

UH, ON THE LINE.

I CONFIRMED WITH THE CLERK THAT JANET IS ON THE LINE, SO IT IS IN THE LINE.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE ONE.

WHAT

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ABOUT, UM, OUR APD, AFD AND ATC EMS, UM, AGENCY REPRESENTATIVES? UH, NOT THAT WE CAN SEE.

OKAY.

SORRY GUYS.

THE JOYS OF WORKING VIRTUALLY.

THAT'S OKAY.

DO WE NEED THEM TO TAKE UP THE ISSUES? UM, I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RESPOND TO QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE.

I THINK WE WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO NOT HAVE THEM PRESENT, UM, TO, TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS, PARTICULARLY.

UM, ALSO OUR, UM, ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE GOING TO BE ON THE LINE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALSO HERE AND AVAILABLE TO US.

SO LET ME SEND A QUICK EMAIL.

YEAH.

I DIDN'T MEAN THAT WE WOULD TAKE VOTES WITHOUT THEM.

I JUST DIDN'T, WE COULD, WE COULD MAYBE START TALKING.

THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY.

SURE.

I'M JUST, MMM.

OKAY.

WELL WE'LL SEE.

WE'LL, WE'LL LET THEM TRY AGAIN.

I'M GOING TO START MOVING ON TO OTHER THINGS AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO JOIN US AS WE GO.

UM, WE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO NOT HAVE THIS MEETING OR TO NOT, UM, PROCEED WITH THE IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

SO

[Item 1]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES ITEM.

SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS BECAUSE OF THE SHORT TIME PERIOD BETWEEN OUR PREVIOUS MEETING AND THIS MEETING, MS. JACKSON HAS NOT HAD TIME TO REVIEW AND PREPARE OUR MEETING MINUTES FROM MAY 4TH.

SO WE WILL VOTE ON BOTH, UH, APPROVAL OF, UM, MAY 4TH MEETING MINUTES AS WELL AS TODAY'S MEETING MINUTES IN OUR JUNE MEETING.

UM, ARE THERE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT FROM ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

MOVING ON.

UM, SO

[Item 2]

WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER TWO ON, UH, THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, A RECOMMENDATION WAS CIRCULATED TO EVERYONE.

THAT IS A RECOMMENDATION, UH, 20 2005 18 DASH ZERO ZERO TWO, UH, YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE ALL OF THE COPIES OF ALL OF THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS WELL AS ANY RECOMMENDED OR REQUESTED AMENDMENTS IN YOUR EMAILS.

UM, SOME OF THOSE CAME OUT TODAY, SOME CAME OUT RATHER LATE TODAY.

SO I APOLOGIZE IF WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO REVIEW ALL OF THOSE.

UM, AND SO LET'S TAKE UP RECOMMENDATION TWO 0200518002, UH, COMMISSIONER WEBER, THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES YOU'RE MUTED.

OKAY, GOOD.

I MOVE, I MOVE THAT WE, UM, PASS THE RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN.

HEY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER WEBBER.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND? UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HOUSING FLAT? UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON ONCE ON TWICE.

OKAY.

THEN I WILL FIND MY PIECE OF PAPER THAT I HAVE TO NOW TRACK ON PAPER ALL OF OUR VOTES.

SO IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAY.

SO THIS IS, FORGIVE ME FOR MY JUGGLING, UH, AS WE GO GUYS.

UM, SO I WILL DO ROLL CALL VOTES AND UH, THAT'S OUR NEW METHOD OF VOTING.

UM, SO, UH, COMMISSIONER HOLLIS VOTES? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER WETTER? YES.

COMMISSIONER KELLY, YOU'RE MUTED.

YES.

GREAT.

UH, COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT, MR. HARRIS, EMOTION OR HOUSE AND BLOOD? YES.

COMMISSIONER NINETTE? YES.

YES.

AND CURT.

COMMISSIONER ALVARENGA? YES.

ALRIGHT.

AND THE COMMISSIONER GONZALEZ IS ABSENT, SO THAT PASSES.

ALRIGHT, WE

[Item 3]

CAN MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER THREE.

GIVE ME A MOMENT TO MOVE PAPERS.

ALRIGHT, SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, ON ITEM NUMBER THREE, THIS IS OUR ATC EMS, UH, BUDGET REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, OKAY.

THIS, UH, WE HAVE AN ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION, A UN, A FIRST AMENDMENT AND A SECOND AMENDMENT.

UH, I'VE

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HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE SECOND AMENDMENT THAT CAME OUT ABOUT 10 MINUTES BEFORE THE MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT.

IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR EMAIL INBOXES THAT CAME FROM COMMISSIONER WEBBER.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS THE SAME AS THE FIRST AMENDMENT CIRCULATED, BUT IT ADDS DOLLAR AMOUNTS INTO IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? COMMISSIONER WEBER? YES.

CHEERS.

SO I TOOK YOUR AMENDMENT.

I ESTIMATED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FROM OTHER BUDGETS ITEMS SUBMITTED BY EMS. SO I TOOK THE COST FOR AN FTE FROM THEIR CURRENT REQUESTS.

AND THEN I TOOK THE COST FOR AN AMBULANCE FROM THEIR BUDGET, FROM THE BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR.

AND SO IF ANYONE WANTS NEEDS TO, UM, TELL THEM THE EXACT PAGES WHERE I FOUND THOSE THINGS SHOT ME AND I CAN SEND IT TO YOU OR, OR JUST ASK HERE, I GUESS, AND I'LL TELL YOU WHERE TO FIND IT.

AND SO PHILOSOPHICALLY I TOOK MEG'S AMENDMENT AND I PUT THE DOLLAR FIGURES IN AND WHAT I CAME UP WITH WAS AN ADDITIONAL $2,348,000 THAT I'M PROPOSING.

WELL, I GUESS IT MEG THAT THE CHAIR IS PROPOSING, BUT THEN I'M PROPOSING THAT WE PUT THE ACTUAL DOLLAR FIGURES INTO THE AMENDMENT AND ALSO THE RATIONALE THAT I PUT THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING COMMISSIONER WEBER.

SINCE I KNOW PEOPLE MAY NOT HAVE HAD TIME TO FULLY READ AND ABSORB EVERYTHING WE'VE DONE TODAY, WE'VE HAD SOME, SOME THINGS COMING OUT, UH, LAST MINUTE TODAY.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO, UH, SUGGEST THAT WHAT WE DO IS, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE REVISED, UH, RECOMMENDATION WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER WEBER'S AMENDMENTS.

SO IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE HEARING THAT? COMMISSIONER ROBERT? WELL, SHOULD I MOVE? I WASN'T SURE IF I CAN MOVE FOR IT NOW GIVEN THAT THERE'S LIKE AN EARLIER VERSION, BUT I GUESS IF YOU WITHDRAW THOSE I CAN MOVE FROM MINE.

YEAH, LET'S, LET'S DO IT.

WORDS.

LET'S PROCEED THAT WAY THOSE TWO WILL BE WITHDRAWN AND WE WILL PROCEED WITH THE REC RECOMMENDATION AS POSED BY COMMISSIONER WEBER.

OKAY.

SO I MOVE FOR MY RECOMMENDATION.

OKAY.

SO THE, UH, RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN BY COMMISSIONER WEBBER IS, UH, UH, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THAT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER NUNEZ SECONDS OF THAT.

OKAY.

AND, UH, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, EITHER OUR AGENCY REPRESENTATIVE OR, UM, OUR ASSOCIATION REPRESENTATIVE, WHAT I WILL DO IS TRY TO GET THEM ON MY CELL PHONE AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEEK FEDERAL WORK ESSENTIALLY.

CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID SEND AN UPDATED NUMBER TO JANET, SO I THINK SHE'S FORWARDED THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE'RE GETTING PEOPLE TO LOG ON.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND EMAIL IT TO YOU AS WELL.

SO IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE QUICKER CONTACT, I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM LOGGED ON RIGHT NOW.

I HAVE THREE PEOPLE, SO, SO SORRY FOR THE DELAY IN INTERRUPTION, BUT WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

ALL RIGHT, GIVE ME TWO SECONDS.

I'M MULTITASKING AS YOU'RE TALKING.

UH, ALRIGHT.

SO HOPEFULLY I CAN GET THIS EVERYONE AS SOON AS YOU SEND THAT TO ME.

UM, YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR PERMISSION OR WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU'RE MAKING TODAY AT INCLUDES, UM, INFORMATION THAT WE JUST RECEIVED FROM EMS. IS THAT CORRECT? JUST SELENA.

HI, I'M REBECCA.

OKAY.

SO LENA, YOU'RE ON.

SO SELENA, SELENA, THE COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER ALVARENGA, UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YOU KNOW WHAT I DID IS I TOOK THE CHAIRS, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS, I UNDERSTAND IT, UM, TOOK WHAT THE DEPARTMENT ASKED FOR AND THEN ADDED ONTO IT.

WHAT'S THE D UH, THE ASSOCIATION WAS ASKING FOR AND I DOLLAR FIGURES IN WHAT THE ASSOCIATION WAS ASKING FOR.

AND THEN I INSERTED SOME PARAGRAPHS THAT REGARDING THE RATIONALE FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS.

AND, GREAT.

THIS IS VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE I'M HEARING PEOPLE, EXCUSE ME EVERYONE, I'M SORRY THE MEETING IS GOING, WE ARE GETTING CALLERS JOINING THE LINE, BUT IF YOU PLEASE JUST STAY ON MUTE.

THE MEETING IS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR THE MEETING AS IT'S GOING ON.

OKAY.

SO IF YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PHONE THAT

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NIGHT, YEAH, JUST MAKE SURE YOU PUT YOUR PHONE ON YOU.

IT IS RUNNING ON ATX N THERE IS A DELAY SO YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE CONFUSED THERE.

OKAY.

I'M GOING TO TURN OFF THE VOLUME ETF AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN ON THE VOLUME.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER WATER.

GO AHEAD.

SO, UM, MR ALVARENGA, DID YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT THAT I SENT 11 MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING STARTED? AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO IF Y'ALL LOOK AT IT, I, I RED LINED IT.

I RED LINES THE CHAIRS VERSION.

SO I UH, AS YOU CAN SEE IF Y'ALL LOOK IT, I JUST, I CHANGED, I EDITED A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT AT THE TOP AND THEN I ADDED NUMBER SIX, SEVEN AND EIGHT AND THE NUMBER SIX IS A REQUEST FOR SIX ADDITIONAL UM, FTES TO STAFF THE PARAMEDIC CONSULT LINE THAT I DESCRIBED ON THE SECOND PAGE AND TALK ABOUT HOW GREAT IT'S BEEN.

AND THEN I ALSO ASKED FOR 12 ADDITIONAL FTES SO THAT TWO DEMAND UNITS CAN BE CONVERTED TO 24 HOUR UNITS AND HELP WITH THE DOWNTOWN CALLS.

AND THEN I'VE ASKED FOR TWO ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE FOR 24 ADDITIONAL FTES TO ADD A SECOND AMBULANCE IN WHAT IS RIGHT NOW AND OPEN BAY, SO IT COULD HOUSE AN AMBULANCE AT TWO STATIONS THAT ARE SERVICING, UM, LARGE PORTIONS OF HISPANIC POPULATION IN AUSTIN, WHICH AS EVERYONE KNOWS, IS BEING DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTED BY THIS CRISIS.

SO, UM, IT'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED FOR TWO POINT $3 MILLION, BUT I, I STAND BEHIND IT.

I THINK LIKE THIS, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPEND ON EMS IS SAVING LIVES RIGHT NOW AND SENDING US ALL MONEY.

SO, UM, WITH THAT, I WILL, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR ALVARENGA.

YES, YOU DID.

THANK YOU.

AND JUST TO GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND AMENDMENTS THAT I PUT TOGETHER, UM, THAT WAS, THAT'S NOT JUST ME, THAT'S ME.

UH, COMBINING THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, UM, AND THE COMMENTARY FROM OUR PREVIOUS TWO DISCUSSIONS AT THE MAY MEETING AND MARCH MEETING OF BUDGET AND THE COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS WITH REQUESTS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS AND REQUESTS FROM OUR, UH, AGENCY ASSOCIATION, UM, UH, LEADERSHIP.

SO, UH, OUR, UM, UH, PRESIDENTS OF OUR, UH, UNION ASSOCIATIONS.

SO I COMBINED KIND OF THE COLLECTIVE FEEDBACK TO TRY TO PULL IT INTO A SINGLE DOCUMENT TO GIVE US A STARTING POINT ON ALL OF THIS AND ORGANIZE THINGS A LITTLE SO THAT WE COULD ADDRESS THINGS IN THE TIME WE'VE BEEN ALLOCATED.

UM, IT WAS JUST ME TRYING TO ORGANIZE EVERYTHING FOR US, UM, AND, AND GIVE US A PLACE TO START FROM.

SO, UH, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER WEBER FOR ADDING THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO GO AND RESEARCH THIS MORNING.

UM, I HOPE YOU GUYS CAN TELL THAT I'VE PUT IN QUITE A FEW HOURS OVER THE LAST WEEK TRYING TO PULL THIS TOGETHER AND GET US ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OR AT LEAST GIVE US A LITTLE PUMPING OFF POINTS SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE PARENTS AT ANY OF THEM TODAY.

UH, WHOEVER'S JUST CALLED, PLEASE MUTE YOUR LINE.

I KNOW THAT OUR AGENCY REPS ARE STARTING TO CALL IN, SO WE'RE GONNA GET SOME FEEDBACK HERE AND THERE AND I APOLOGIZE.

OUR FUN TECHNOLOGICAL WORLD WE'RE OPERATING IN.

ALRIGHT.

DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON A RECOMMENDATION? THE RECOMMENDATION.

THAT'S THE FLOOR.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OUR ATC EMS AGENCY REP OR OUR UNION REP? OKAY, GREAT.

UM, SO THE ONLY THING THAT I WILL SAY IS, UM, I BUILT IN, WHEN I WROTE, UH, THE, UH, AMENDMENT THAT COMMISSIONER WEBER HAS INCORPORATED, I BUILT IN SOME PRETTY SERIOUS JUSTIFICATION FOR WHERE THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT THE UNION REPS, UM, HAVE ASKED US TO ADD IN, ARE COMING FROM.

I THINK THEY ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE, UH, COBIT 19 CHALLENGES WE'RE HAVING, BUT ALSO GIVEN THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE HAVING IN OUR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND OUR HOMELESS, UH, COMMUNITY.

UM, I, I THINK THIS IS ABSOLUTELY A JUSTIFIABLE ASK, UM, FROM OUR, OUR, UM, ATC EMS REPRESENTATIVES.

I DO WANT TO GIVE, UM, UH, SELENA FROM ATC EMS, UH, THEIR UNION REP AN OPPORTUNITY JUST TO GIVE US A QUICK

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OVERVIEW OF WHY THEY'RE ASKING, UM, FROM THE UNION'S PERSPECTIVE FOR SOME OF THIS ADDITIONAL FUNDING AND JUST GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO, UM, EXPLAIN WHY, WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM AHEAD OF US.

UH, TAKING UP THIS MOTION FOR A VOTE.

SO, UH, SELENA, ARE YOU ON THE LINE STILL? AND I KNOW THERE'S A DELAY SOCIAL, IT'LL TAKE HER A SECOND.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? I SHOULD BE ON, YES, WE HIRE YOU.

YOU DON'T HEAR ME NOW? OKAY, PERFECT.

SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME SPEAK.

UM, PRIMARILY THE THING THAT I WANT YOU ALL TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE AMENDMENT, WHAT THE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED AND SO THERE WERE NO ADDITIONS ONCE COBIT REALLY STRUCK, BUT WE HAVE COMPLETELY CHANGED THE WAY WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WHEN IT COMES TO OUR WORKFLOW.

UM, RIGHT NOW, ONCE WE'RE, ONCE WE'RE GEARING UP FOR A CALL, WE'RE HAVING TO PUT ON PPE, UM, AND THEN WE'RE HAVING TO STOP IT AFTER A CALL, WHICH CAN TAKE QUITE A LONG TIME.

UM, WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO DECONTAMINATE OUR AMBULANCES IF WE'VE TAKEN A COBIT .

UM, SO FOR ALL THESE REASONS AND CHANGE OUR CLOTHES, UM, IF WE HAVE TO TAKE A SHOWER AND SO OUR CALL VOLUMES ARE TAPE OR THE CALL LINK IS TAKING LONGER THAN EVER BEFORE.

UM, OUR CALL VOLUME HAS BEEN PRETTY STEADY.

UM, THERE'S BEEN A DROP IN NORMAL CALLS BECAUSE OF THE SHELTER IN PLACE, SO PEOPLE AREN'T OUT GETTING A CRACK, DIDN'T, PEOPLE WEREN'T OUT.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, BEING HURT ON 36TH STREET, UM, AND OUR CALL BY MYSELF PRETTY BECAUSE WE HAD A LOT OF KOBE CALLS.

AND SO ONCE WE REMOVE THE SHELTER IN PLACE, IT IS VERY REASONABLE, UM, THAT OUR CALL VOLUME IS GOING TO INCREASE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOW GOING TO BE OUT DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE DOING BEFORE SHELTER IN PLACE.

AND I ANTICIPATE AN EVEN HIGHER RISE, UM, DUE TO MORE COBIT, UM, THAN WE WERE SEEING BEFORE BECAUSE OF THE SHELTER IN PLACE.

SO BECAUSE OUR CALLS ARE GETTING LONGER BECAUSE I ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL HAVE A HIGHER CALL VOLUME VERY SHORTLY.

UM, AND BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SUCH A SUCCESSFUL, UH, PARAMEDIC CONSULT LINE THAT HAS ACTUALLY KEPT A THOUSAND PEOPLE FROM GOING TO THE ER BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY STABLE AND ALL THEY NEED IS TO GET A COBIT TEST OR SOME OTHER RESOURCE.

UM, SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ASPECTS OF MY REQUEST IS ONE, TO ACTUALLY FUND THE PARAMEDIC CONSULT LIFE.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE BE ASSIGNED FOR THAT LINE AND THAT INCLUDES OUR, UH, AND THAT INCLUDES OUR COMMANDERS AND OUR DESIGNATED MEDICAL OFFICER'S ACTUALLY ASSIGNED TO A COMMANDER, SO THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY ABLE TO FULLY DO, UM, THEIR MEDICAL OFFICER DUTIES RIGHT NOW.

SO I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE PARAMEDIC CONSULT LINE.

UM, THEY ALSO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GOING TO THE HOSPITAL AND USING THE VALUABLE RESOURCES FROM GETTING COBIT OR GIVING PEOPLE COVET IN THE HOSPITAL.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ASPECT IS ADDING THE NECESSARY RESOURCES FOR WHEN OUR CALLS, WHEN OUR CALL VOLUME DOES GO UP.

UM, AND THAT INCLUDES THINKING ABOUT OUR CALL IS GETTING LONGER AND SO AMBULANCE IS BECOMING MORE UNAVAILABLE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, SELENA, FOR PROVIDING THAT PERSPECTIVE.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR MANY COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHT, GREAT.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THOSE TO A VOTE.

SO MEGAN, HOLLIS? YES.

COMMISSIONER WEBBER? YES.

COMMISSIONER KELLY? YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT? YES.

COMMISSIONER HARRIS? BLOOD.

YES.

COMMISSIONER NUNEZ? YES.

AND COMMISSIONER ALVARENGA? YES.

UH, COMMISSIONER IS ABSENT, SO THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING RIGHT ALONG.

THIS MIGHT BE A RECORD FOR US BEING AHEAD OF SCHEDULE.

UM, THANKS Y'ALL.

I'M REALLY SORRY IT WAS LATE AND I JUST, CAN I JUST SAY CHAIR, I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK IT GOES THERE.

WE'RE ALL SO GRATEFUL.

UM, THANK YOU.

I JUST DID NOT WANT US TO GET BOGGED DOWN AND NOT KNOWING WHAT WE WERE VOTING ON.

I FIGURED THIS WOULD AT LEAST STREAMLINE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.

ALL RIGHT, SO

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LET'S MOVE RIGHT ALONG TO, UH, ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE COUNCIL INITIATIVES AND OTHER BUDGET ITEMS UNDER REVIEW.

UM, SO, UH, THIS IS THE ITEM THAT, UH, SUE GABRIEL COMMENTED ON EARLIER, JUST TO HELP EVERYONE MAKE THAT CONNECTION, UH, AS, UH, QUIT.

UM, I GUESS, UH, RIGHT.

WE WOULD DO THIS.

UH, WE DO HAVE BACKUP MATERIALS THAT WERE SENT

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OUT EARLIER.

WE HAVE, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION SENT OUT VIA A POWERPOINT FROM THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENTS.

AND THEN, UM, WE ALSO HAVE AN EMAIL FROM KEITH GAYE THAT INCLUDES, UH, SOME RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS WE HAD IN OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT ATTRITION RATES.

SO THAT WAS SENT IN RESPONSE TO, I BELIEVE SOME OF COMMISSIONER HARRIS HAS QUESTIONS IN OUR LAST MEETING.

UM, AND SOME OF THAT INFORMATION, THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ALSO INCLUDED IN THE POWERPOINT ON ATTRITION RATES.

UM, SO FOR THIS ITEM WE HAVE BOTH A RECOMMENDATION AND AN AMENDMENT THAT, UH, ARE ON THE TABLE.

UM, SO WE WILL START WITH RECOMMENDATION, UH, SIX ZERO TWO ZERO ZERO FIVE ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ZERO FOUR.

UM, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION TO CLARIFY, THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS NOT INCLUDING THE 5.5 MILLION, IS THAT CORRECT? SO THIS IS THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION.

WHAT WE WILL DO IS, UM, ONCE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR THIS RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN INCORPORATE THE AMENDMENT DURING OUR DISCUSSION AND EMBED THAT INTO THIS RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WE CAN PASS IT WITH THE AMENDED RECOMMENDATION.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY.

SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR A RECOMMENDATION? TWO ZERO TWO ZERO ZERO FIVE ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ZERO FOUR I DON'T HAVE EMOTION BUT UH, AND I'M SORRY I CANNOT FIND THE EMAIL FROM UH, MAY.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT SOMEONE SEND ME A COPY? AND SO IT CAME FROM UH, JANET, SHE FORWARDED IT TO US EARLIER.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE, IT'S THE EMAIL THAT HAS THE POWERPOINT IN IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT BELOW THAT, IT INCLUDES THE FORWARDED EMAIL AS WELL IN THIS, IT'S ALL IN THE SAME EMAIL.

OH, I SEE.

THE INFORMATION BELOW HAS THE ATTRITION RATE INFORMATION.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, ZERO, ZERO, IS THAT THE ORIGINAL, IS THAT THE RECOMMENDATION WE VOTED ON LAST TIME? UH, IT'S, NO, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UM, DIFFERENT FROM THAT.

DOES THIS OMIT THE 13 LOOKS MORE? NO, THAT'S IN, UM, ITEM ZERO ZERO SPOT.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

I SEPARATED THEM TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON US.

YEAH.

SO THIS, THIS IS ONLY IN THAT ORIGINAL BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT WE GOT THE ITEMS, UH, COUNCIL INITIATIVES.

AND THEIR BUDGET ITEMS UNDER REVIEW.

SO THIS IS THE VIOLENT CRIME IN AUSTIN WITH THE, THAT SALARY INCREASE THE FORCE OF MAN FEES, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REPLACEMENT AND THE HILO REPLACEMENT, BUT NOT THE 30 ADDITIONAL SWORN RIGHT.

THAT'S IN A RECOMMENDATION ZERO ZERO FIVE BECAUSE THAT'S IN THE BASE BUDGET.

SO WE'RE BASE BUDGET AND ZERO ZERO FIVE.

THAT'S OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

ZERO ZERO FOUR ADDRESSES, UM, THE, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT WERE NOT IN THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECTED BUDGET THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER HOLLIS? YES.

I JUST WANT TO INFORM YOU THAT KEN CASSIDY IS ON THE LINE.

IS THERE A QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD OR CANNED CASSIDY? AUSTIN POLICE ASSOCIATION.

THANK YOU.

PERFECT.

I'M GLAD WE WERE ABLE TO GET HIM ON THE LINE.

UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, WE NOW HAVE KEN CASSIDY FROM THE AUSTIN POLICE ASSOCIATION ON THE LINE, UH, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM.

OKAY.

SO ANY, UH, DISCUSSION MOTIONS, ET CETERA.

DO WE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE REVISED UM, RECOMMENDATION WITH THE AMENDMENT?

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I'M SORRY, I'M STILL CONFUSED.

CHAIR.

I'M REALLY SORRY.

SO JUST POINT OF ORDER PLEASE.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW OR ARE YOU STILL WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MOVE FOR SOMETHING? I'M WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MOVE FOR SOMETHING.

I CAN DO SOMETHING RIGHT THAT THERE ARE THREE VERSIONS OF 0.04 THAT HAVE CIRCULATED.

ONE INCLUDES A SINGLE LINE ITEM OF 5.5 MILLION FOR ADDRESSING VIOLENT CRIME.

ANOTHER ONE INCLUDES FIVE LINE ITEMS STARTING WITH 5.5 MILLION FOR VIOLENT CRIMES.

AND GOING THROUGH THE LAUNDRY LIST THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WITH THE HELICOPTER AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A THIRD ONE.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THERE SHOULD BE TWO.

THERE SHOULD BE THE ORIGINAL.

UM, THAT WAS A ZERO ZERO FOUR WITH THE FIVE LINE ITEMS. AND THEN THE UH, AMENDMENT REMOVED THE FUNDING FOR THE 5.5 MILLION FOR ADDRESSING VIOLENT.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

SORRY.

OKAY, SO THERE'S EITHER, SO THERE'S TWO KIND OF PROPOSED MOTIONS.

NEITHER OF THEM ARE YET ON THE TABLE.

ONE HAS FOUR LINE ITEMS AND ONE HAS FIVE LINE ITEMS. THERE YOU GO.

DRESSING VIOLENT CRIME.

THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT.

OKAY.

AND I'M NOT HEARING THAT ANYONE WANTS TO MOVE FOR ANY OF THEM, BUT MAYBE I'LL JUST BE FINE.

SOMEONE WILL.

OKAY.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME KIND OF DISCUSSION SLASH MOTION TO DO SOMETHING WITH THESE ITEMS BECAUSE WE ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL ON THESE FIVE ITEMS. I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES MISSIONER HALLS AND FLUFF.

DO WE NEED TO TO MOVE FOR THIS UNOFFICIAL UM, DOCUMENT BEFORE THE AMENDMENTS I GUESS WOULD BE MY QUESTION FOR ANY AMENDMENTS OR ADDED? UH, YES.

OKAY, THEN I'LL MOVE.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS SENT OUT A ZERO ZERO FOUR WITH THE FIVE LINE ITEMS, UH, BY COMMISSIONER HALLS AND BOOK.

DID WE HAVE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND THAT JUST TO GET SOME DISCUSSION GOING AND GET US MOVING FORWARD.

ALRIGHT.

ANY DISCUSSION? ALRIGHT, COME IN.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER WEBBER.

ALL RIGHT, Y'ALL JUST ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER.

DO WE NOT NEED TO LIKE PASS THE BASE BUDGET BEFORE WE ACT? WE TALK ABOUT AD ARM NOW WE EXPLAINED THAT LINE ITEMS FOR US TO VOTE ON.

OKAY.

SO THE BASE BUDGET IS IN THE ITEM FIVE.

OKAY.

TO SEPARATE, THEY ARE DIVORCED FROM EACH OTHER.

ALL RIGHT.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER HARRIS.

SURE.

THANK YOU.

UM, YOU, YOU ALL KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY NORMAL TIMES.

I SERIOUSLY QUESTION THOUGH, BETWEEN MORE POLICE AND MORE SAFE AND, AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIGH AND LOW CRIME AREAS ISN'T THE NUMBER OF POLICE WITH THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO THESE COMMUNITIES AND THE RELATIVE HEALTH AND, AND OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE TO THE PEOPLE IN THOSE ROLES DURING THIS PANDEMIC, THE RESOURCE HEALTH DISPARITIES IN OUR COMMUNITIES ARE ONLY, HAVE ONLY BEEN AMPLIFIED AND THE SAFETY OF FOUR COMMUNITIES IS WORSE DESPITE A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN CRIME OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT BUDGETS WILL LOOK LIKE MOVING FORWARD.

UH, BUT IT'S LIKELY THAT MANY DEPARTMENTS WILL HAVE TO STOP FOR CUTS, BUT THOSE THAT DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE HEALTH OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND TO THIS CRISIS SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE IN TECHIE.

BUT, UM, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I READ VERY MUCH WITH THE INCREASES PROPOSED MESS.

WHAT IF ANY DEPARTMENT SHOULD FACE CUTS? IT'S ONE THAT SEEN IT.

SERVICE REQUESTS, INCLUDING NINE 11 CALLS AND OVERALL CRIMES REALLY SLASHED IN WHICH ALREADY TAKES UP OVER 40% OF THE BUDGET THE AIR FOR I, UH, AUNT BO WON'T VOTE FOR ANY INCREASE, UH, TO THE POLICE BUDGET.

UM, AND REALLY JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY'S ONGOING OBLIGATIONS ARE MET WITH PERSONNEL ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS.

UM, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S IT.

I'LL STOP THERE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER HARRIS.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER BUMPER.

YOU'RE MUTED.

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SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SUGGEST, UM, TO COMMISSIONER HOUSING FLICK THAT WE AMEND THIS.

UM, I COULD VOTE FOR THIS IF IT ONLY INCLUDED THE LINE ITEM AT NUMBER FOUR.

AND HERE'S WHY.

I UM, I LARGELY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HARRISON BROAD STATEMENTS ABOUT WHERE WE SHOULD BE INVESTING OUR MONEY RIGHT NOW AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE INVESTING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND KEEPING PEOPLE HEALTHY AND IN PROVEN, UH, PROGRAMS TO HELP OUR VULNERABLE POPULATIONS AND PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS.

AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD BE INVESTING MILLIONS IN AUSTIN, TRAVIS COUNTY EMS AND NOT IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THE REASON THAT I WOULD SUPPORT, UM, 1.5 MILLION, WHICH IS A LOT FOR THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT PAY OFF TO THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND MORE TRANSPARENCY.

SO, UM, WE SHOULD NO LONGER BE HAVING, UM, A THIRD PARTY INVESTIGATOR COMING BACK TO THE CITY AND SAYING, I REALLY COULDN'T INVESTIGATE SOMETHING BECAUSE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T SAVE THE RECORDS.

SO I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT ONE POINT $5 MILLION IF THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, AS THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN HAVE MORE TRANSPARENCY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT 1.5 MILLION IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR THOSE.

SO, UM, IF ANYONE KNOWS, I'D LIKE TO.

SURE.

SO THAT'S AN TO REPLACE THE CURRENT RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CHIEF GAY ON THE LINE YET, BUT I'VE ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE BECAUSE THIS IS MY AREA OF ACADEMIC EXPERTISE.

SO I WAS VERY, VERY INTERESTED IN THOSE FROM A NERD POINT OF VIEW.

UM, THE EXISTING RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS ANTIQUATED.

THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.

SO THE ABILITY TO, UM, CONNECT THE RECORDS ACROSS DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS HONOROUS, UM, TIME CONSUMING AND SOMETIMES IMPOSSIBLE.

UM, PREVIOUSLY IN MY RESEARCH LIFE REQUESTING DATA, WE HAD TO PULL IT FROM MULTIPLE SYSTEMS AND THEN USE STATISTICAL TECHNIQUES TO MATCH ACROSS, UH, INFORMATION BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT, UM, PIECES OF THE RMS WERE NOT TALKING TO EACH OTHER.

AND SO IT JUST MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO PULL THE INFORMATION OUT OF THE RMS. UM, FRANKLY, UM, IT FEELS LIKE GOING BACK TO THE LATE SEVENTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES IN A COMPUTER SYSTEM TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU GUYS.

UM, IT'S, I THINK THAT IS AN AREA THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED BOTH FOR THE PRESERVATION OF RECORDS AND A SAFE WAY, BUT ALSO IN A WAY THAT WILL REDUCE THE TIME TO, FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE RECORDS.

AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A NEW RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UM, WILL ALLOW FOR EASIER, UM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, RELATIONSHIPS WITH RESEARCHERS.

UM, AND OTHERS WE MAKE DATABASE DECISIONS TO BE ABLE TO PULL THAT DATA OUT, ANALYZE IT SO THAT WE ARE BETTER EQUIPPED AS A CITY TO MAKE EVIDENCE BASED DECISIONS IN POLICING RATHER THAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE TRADITIONAL VICTORIAN POLICING APPROACH, WHICH IS JUST DO WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.

THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.

COMMISSIONER WEBER.

SO I'M EVEN MORE PERSUADED HAVING HEARD THAT.

AND Y'ALL, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW LIKE DR HOLLIS, THIS IS HER AREA OF EXPERTISE.

SO, UM, AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT EVEN AS WE VOTED, UM, I THINK A SEVEN FIGURE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL LAST YEAR FOR EMS TO UPDATE IT'S RECORD KEEPING.

THIS TO ME SEEMS LIKE MONEY VERY WELL SPENT.

VERY MUCH SO.

UH, COMMISSIONER KELLY, A COUPLE OF THINGS IS CHIEF GAY ANYA ARE ON THE, ON THIS MEETING.

DID WE KNOW? YEAH, I'M ALONE.

YES, I AM ON.

MMM.

I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE LACK OF RESOURCES FOR A VARIETY OF COMMUNITIES IN AUSTIN.

UM, I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO OUR LACK OF PUBLIC HEALTH AND THE IMPACT THAT KOBE HAS HAD ON THAT, THAT HAS EXACERBATED THAT SITUATION.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER MONEY THAT WE DON'T WANT APPROVED FOR APD TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE.

I THINK, I THINK HOPING

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THAT THAT MONEY MIGHT GO TO PUBLIC HEALTH IS GREAT, BUT HOPE IS NOT, I DON'T THINK INAPPROPRIATE WAY TO TALK ABOUT BUDGETS.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF GAY SINCE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE IS SOME CONCERN HERE ABOUT THESE FIVE ITEMS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S SOME, SOME MOVEMENT TO TO NOT APPROVE FOUR OF THEM.

UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, I MEAN I ASSUME THE BUDGET PROCESS IS PRETTY SYSTEMATIC AND INFORMED.

UH, THEY DON'T JUST MAKE THESE NUMBERS UP.

SO CHIEF GAY, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THESE FIVE ITEMS AND, AND PROVIDE SOME JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY, UM, YOU ALL NEED THESE ALLOCATIONS? ABSOLUTELY.

I, I'M ACTUALLY, UM, I'M GOING TO LET MICHELLE SORT OF GO OVER THE, THE BUDGET ITEMS AND THEN, AND THEN THE JUSTIFICATION THAT WE WROTE UP AND THEN I'LL ADD TO THAT.

SO MICHELLE, WILL YOU GO OVER THOSE FIVE PLEASE? ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S JUST MICHELLE SCHMIDT, SHE'S ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THE FIVE ITEMS ARE THE 5.5 MILLION FOR ADDRESSING VIOLENT CRIME IN AUSTIN.

THAT INCLUDED 24 NEW POSITIONS, UM, TO CREATE METRO TACTICAL TEAMS AND TO CREATE AN OVERTIME FUND FOR THOSE TEAMS TO WORK, UM, ON THE WEEKENDS TO ADDRESS VIOLENT CRIME.

AND IT ALSO HAD SOME, UM, BUDGET LINE ITEMS FOR EQUIPMENT LIKE, UM, CAMERAS AND LICENSE PLATE READERS AND LIGHT SETS.

THE NUMBER TWO ITEM ON THERE WAS THE CADET SALARY INCREASE.

THAT WAS A MARKET STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY THE CITY'S CORPORATE HUMAN RESOURCE DEPARTMENT AND FYI 19.

AND THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO INCREASE THE CONDUCT SALARY FROM $40,000 TO $50,000.

AND, UM, WE HAVE NOT BEEN FUNDED FOR THAT.

AND IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A COMPETITIVE BASE AND RECRUITING CADETS TO THE ACADEMY, UM, THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION BY CORPORATE HR D.

THE NEXT ITEM IS THE FOUR CIVILIAN FTES, WHICH INCLUDED THE FIREARMS EXAMINER.

UM, THIS IS THE TECHNICIAN THAT WOULD ENTER INTO THE NATIONAL INTEGRATED BALLISTIC INFORMATION NETWORK KNOWN AS NIVEN.

UM, THIS IS TO DO DATA BASED SEARCHING FOR UM, FIRE BALLISTICS, UM, FOR ADDRESSING GUN CRIME.

THERE'S A REQUEST FOR TWO CRIME ANALYSTS TO ENTER DATA, SOME SEXUAL ASSAULT REPORTS INTO THE FEDERAL VIOLENT CRIME APPREHENSION PROGRAM KNOWN AS BY CAP.

UM, THIS IS MANDATED BY TEXAS STATE LAW AND WE CURRENTLY AS OF SEPTEMBER 1ST OF 2019.

SO IT'S A PRETTY NEW MANDATE AND UM, WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A BACKLOG OF 5,000 CASES WITH AN ESTIMATE OF APPROXIMATELY 300 NEW CASES ANNUALLY.

UM, THE LAST REQUEST ON THAT IS FROM A BUSINESS PROCESS CONSULTANT TO UM, BASICALLY DO PR, UM, BUSINESS PLAN, MEET PLANNING AND PERFORMANCE TARGETS IN RELATION TO STRATEGIC DIRECTION, 2023, UM, IN AN EFFORT TO INCREASE ACCURACY AND TRANSPARENCY AND THE METRICS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THE FOURTH ITEM IS THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

I THINK YOU GUYS, UM, HAD A VERY GOOD DECK, UM, DESCRIPTION OF THAT SO I WON'T, I WON'T ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THAT ONE.

UM, THE FIFTH ITEM IS THE HELICOPTER REPLACEMENT.

THIS PARTICULAR HELICOPTER IS 19 YEARS OLD.

IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET PARTS FOR IT BECAUSE, UM, THEY ARE NOT MANUFACTURING PARTS ANYMORE.

AND SO THE PARTS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE VERY SCARCE TO DO ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE ON IT.

UM, AND SO IT'S A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT.

THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE ON THERE, WE WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO THE NEW REPLACEMENT HELICOPTERS.

SO THIS HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TREATMENT THAT TO GET TO THE 1.27, FIVE NUMBER, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TRADE IN VALUE, UM, AS WELL AS NOT HAVING TO PURCHASE THE EQUIPMENT.

SHE'S DAYS YOU WANT TO ADD ANY ADDITIONAL JUSTIFICATION? NO, I THINK THAT, UH, THAT COVERED IT.

I, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT WE ARE EVIDENCE-BASED, UH, POLICING DATA DRIVEN.

UH, WE, WE HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM ZERO TOLERANCE INITIATIVES.

UH, I ONLY WANTED TO MENTION THAT CAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS, UH, WRITTEN IN SOME OF THE RATIONALE.

UH, BUT THAT'S, UH, REALLY ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU.

UM, SO THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER WEBER AND I, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE, UH, WE ASKED COUNCIL TO GIVE APD CADETS A PAY RAISE, I THINK LAST YEAR.

UM,

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I NO LONGER THE PORT THAT I SUPPORTED THAT LAST YEAR AND I DON'T ANYMORE GIVEN THE CURRENT CLIMATE AND IF ANYONE IN THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING THE ACADEMY.

SO LIKE IF I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, EXPOUND ON THAT.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR BECAUSE I, I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK EVERYONE HERE THAT MAYBE CHRIS WASN'T WITH US AND DR. KELLY WHO WASN'T WITH HIS VOTED FOR THAT.

I THINK SO.

I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE I'VE BEEN WITH YOU LONGER THAN THAT, BUT I WASN'T HERE YET.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, I WANT TO, UM, FIRST IN RESPONSE TO THAT, MY BIGGEST CONCERN AND NOT APPROVING THAT IS OUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT A HIGHER, UM, QUALITY CANDIDATES TO BE CADETS IS GOING TO BE DIMINISHED BY THAT.

SO I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'LL END UP WITH MORE OF THE SAME OF WHAT WE'RE GETTING INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO RECRUIT PEOPLE POTENTIALLY WITH, UM, COLLEGE BACKGROUNDS, WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT THE RESEARCH BASED SHOWS MAKES PEOPLE LESS LIKELY TO TAKE THE KINDS OF ACTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS WITH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

UH, THE CHICANA RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER ROBERT AND, AND THAT IS A VERY ELOQUENT, UM, EXPLANATION OF MY MINDSET LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, BETTER CANDIDATES WAS WHAT WE WANTED.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK, UH, NO RECRUITING SHOULD BE GOING ON BECAUSE HIS ACADEMY HAS BEEN INDICTED, UM, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE TRAINING.

AND WE HAVE A CITY COUNCIL WHO IS ASKING FOR AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF CHANGE AND MOVEMENT BY JULY.

AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN BY JULY.

AND SO JUST TO RESPOND TO WHAT THE CHAIR IS SAYING, OF COURSE, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, WE WANT TO BE RECRUITING THE BEST PEOPLE THAT COME TO OUR CITY AND HELP KEEP US SAFE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE SHOULDN'T BE SPENDING ANY MONEY ON THAT UNTIL THE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS ARE FIXED.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER KELLY.

BUT HOW DOES NOT FUNDING THAT FIX THE PROBLEMS THERE? I MEAN I, I WANT US TO BE CLEAR THAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE WE'RE PUNISHING PEOPLE.

I MEAN, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.

I DON'T THINK, UH, WE, WE MAY HAVE NEGATIVE PERCEPTIONS ABOUT APD.

UH, AND THERE'S PLENTY TO BE MEANT TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

I HAVE TO BE THE FIRST TO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK OUR DECISIONS SHOULD BE PUNISHMENT BASED.

UH, I THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED UPON WHAT DOES THE EVIDENCE INDICATE? WHAT IN THE WORLD IS PUNITIVE ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M SAYING I DID NOT TRUST THE LEADERSHIP OF APD TO TRAIN POLICE OFFICERS IN THE WAY THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS ASKED THAT THEY BE TRAINED.

THEREFORE THEY SHOULD NOT BE TRAINING POLICE OFFICERS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NOT PUNITIVE.

WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT? IT'LL BE A WAKE UP CALL AND MAYBE THEY'LL DO WHAT COUNCIL HAS ASKED THEM TO DO.

THE COMMISSION, I CAN RECOGNIZES COMMISSIONER BERNHARDT.

SO I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REASONING FOR OPPOSING THE PAY RATES THAT I THINK I VOTED FOR IN THE PAST.

UM, WHICH IS THAT, UH, IN 2019, WHEN THEY DID THAT STUDY ON SALARIES, WE WERE IN THE HOTTEST JOB MARKET THAT WE COULD IMAGINE HERE IN AUSTIN.

AND, UH, IT'S NOT THAT JOB MARKET IN AUSTIN OR TRAVIS COUNTY RIGHT NOW.

SO EVEN IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT RECRUITING, IT'S NOT THE SAME SITUATION.

AND APD IS UNBELIEVABLY WELL COMPENSATED.

YOU'RE NOT A CADET FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

YOU END UP BEING A VERY HIGHLY COMPENSATED POLICE OFFICER VERY QUICKLY ON, ON A TRAJECTORY WHERE YOU MAKE SIX FIGURES IN, YOU KNOW, NOT A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

BEING A CADET IS A VERY SHORT PART OF YOUR CAREER AT APD.

SO I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SHORT CHANGING OURSELVES IN TERMS OF RECRUITS IN THE CURRENT JOB MARKET THAT WE'RE IN, IN THE WAY THAT YOU'RE IMAGINING, CONSIDERING IT'S 20, 20, NOW IT'S NOT 2019 THINGS ARE REALLY DIFFERENT AND THEY'RE REALLY MESSED UP.

UM, AND I AM ALSO NOT OPPOSED TO SENDING A PDF MESSAGE ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I'M REALLY FRUSTRATED WITH APD.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

UM, I, I'D LIKE REAL QUICK AND THEN I'LL GO TO THE COMMISSIONER HARRIS.

UM, I KNOW WE HAVE KEN ON THE LINE FROM THE APA AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT ON THIS AS WELL.

UM, SO THAT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE HEARING, UM, KIND OF MULTIPLE PERSPECTIVES ON

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THIS AND MAKING THE MOST INFORMED DECISION WE CAN POSSIBLY MAKE.

UM, SO KEN, ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE? JANET, DO YOU KNOW IF KEN CASSIDY IS STILL ON THE LINE? HELLO? THERE HE IS.

YEAH, PRETTY GOOD.

THANKS.

OKAY.

UM, I AM NOT DISAGREEING WITH ANYBODY ON THIS PANEL AS FAR AS THERE ARE SOME SERIOUS CONCERNS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND UM, HOWEVER WE DO NOT NEED TO PUNISH PEOPLE.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED PAYING OUR NEW HIRES, UH, $50,000 A YEAR COMPARED TO 40,000, CAUSE WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD COME TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN FOR $40,000.

UM, I'M APPALLED AT SOME OF THE THINGS I'M HEARING.

UM, YOU'VE ALREADY INDICTED OUR ACADEMY.

WHEN WE HAVE A PHD PROFESSIONAL OUT THERE WORKING THAT IS NOT, SOUNDED THE ALARM ON ANYTHING.

THERE'VE BEEN NOTHING BUT ACCUSATIONS AND NOTHING'S BEEN HEARD.

UM, I, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED PEOPLE OUT OF PARKS AND LAKES ORGANIZED CRIME DIVISION, HIGHWAY ENFORCEMENT TO MOVE THEM BACK TO PATROL BECAUSE THE DEPARTMENT NOT WANT TO SPEND THE OVERTIME.

UM, WE REALIZED THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO HIRE THESE 30 BODIES THIS YEAR, BUT WE DO BELIEVE WE WILL BE NEXT YEAR AND WE NEED THAT MONEY TO PAY OFFICER'S OVERTIME SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE PEOPLE TO WORK AT ZILKER PARK OUT ON LAKE AUSTIN AND ORGANIZED CRIME DIVISION AND IN HIGHWAY ENFORCEMENT TO HAVE THEM LEAVING THEIR JOBS, GO TO BACKFILL PATROL.

SO, UH, THE CITY MADE A COMMITMENT LAST YEAR TO, FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS TO HIRE 30 NEW FTES EVERY YEAR.

AND IN MY OPINION, THAT NEEDS TO BE ON IT.

AND AS FAR AS THE HELICOPTER GOES, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A 30 YEAR OLD HELICOPTER OUT AND SO ON.

WHAT IS THE PARKING MALFUNCTIONS? WHEN A HELICOPTER CRASHES AND WE HAVE TWO DEAD BODIES.

SO WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE WE CRITICIZE AND DON'T VOTE FOR THINGS THAT ARE BEING ASKED.

WELL, BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING ASKED FOR FOR A GOOD REASON.

AND I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, KEN.

I APPRECIATE YOU BEING AVAILABLE.

UH, I'M GOING TO GO TO COMMISSIONER HARRIS BECAUSE HE WAS SEEKING RECOGNITION A FEW MOMENTS AGO AND THEN I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER WATER.

YEAH.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IN REFERENCE TO THE CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING ABOUT THE TRAINING ACADEMY, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I AGREE VERY MUCH SO WITH COMMISSIONERS, WEBER AND BERNARD ON THIS, ON THIS ITEM.

I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR, TO YOUR CONCERNS, CAN WE SPEAK, KELLY, WE'VE HAD SOME TENSION PROBLEMS RIGHT AT THE ACADEMY.

LIKE WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF FOLKS WHO'VE ACTUALLY BEEN DROPPING OUT.

AND SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY IN THE ACADEMY, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THEY DIDN'T, THEY WEREN'T OFFERED ENOUGH TO MAKE IT.

RIGHT.

AND SO WHAT WE HEARD FROM SOMEBODY X X THAT WERE, WAS THAT IT WAS PARTICULARLY EXCAVATE TO HAD HAD THIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE THAT WAS COMING TO POLICING LATER IN LIFE THAT WERE MORE, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, OF A PROFESSIONAL MIND.

UH, AND THOSE FOLKS ARE THE ONES WHO WERE AFTER SEEING AND ENCOUNTERING THE ACADEMY LEAVING.

SO IT, IT'S, I THINK IT'S VERY MUCH A, UM, THAT THE ISSUES WITH THE ACADEMY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE, UM, ANY SORT OF POTENTIAL PAY INCREASE BUT ENSURE THAT THE TYPE OF RECRUITS THAT THINKING WILL BE ENTICED BY ADDITIONAL MONIES, UM, WILL IN LARGE PART, UH, ACTUALLY STICK WITH THE ACADEMY.

UH, AND,