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HELLO.

YEAH, DANA, IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE IT, UM, IF YOU'RE, UH, FOLLOWING ONLINE, MAKE SURE YOU MUTE YOUR ONLINE AND WHILE YOU'RE ON THE PHONE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT CAUSES THAT MOST OF THE TIME.

I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.

SORRY.

MY COMPUTER'S FROZEN.

I'M GOING TO DROP OFF ONLINE.

I'M GOING TO LOG IN ON THE PHONE AND THEN I'LL TRY TO REENGAGE ONLINE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

I WANT TO CALL THE ORDER.

WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THE, UH, HOPEFULLY THE FIRST AND THE LAST EVER VIDEO CONFERENCING FOR THE RMC, RIGHT.

ALTHOUGH WE'RE ALL KIND OF GETTING USED TO IT.

I THINK, AT LEAST I AM.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS THE ONLY WAY I GET TO SEE PEOPLE THESE DAYS.

SO IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY'S FACES AND HOPEFULLY EVERYBODY'S GOT A GOOD CONNECTION.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE VIDEO LAGS THE AUDIO A LITTLE BIT, AND SO, UH, IT'S BEST NOT TO WATCH SOMEBODY, THE SPEAKER'S LIPS MOVE BECAUSE, UH, THEY'RE, THEY, THEY LAG THE, UH, THE VOICE.

SO, UM, I'LL CALL THE ORDER THAT THE MEETING.

UH, IT'S MAY 20, UH, MAY 20TH, UH, IT'S NOW THREE.

OH NINE, UH, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT FOUR 30, SO, UH, WE NEED TO PROBABLY MOVE FAIRLY CRISPLY THROUGH, BUT, UH, IT'S A, IT'S A SHORTAGE AGENDA AND I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH IT AND GET EVERYBODY'S INPUT.

UM, VERY WELL.

AND WE WANT TO SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME AT THE END FOR ELECTIONS AND THEN WE WILL ADJOURN.

SO, UM, FIRST STEP ON, UH, ORDER,

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ORDER OF BUSINESS IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? UH, ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? NO.

UH, SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 9TH MEETING.

UH, DO I HAVE A SECOND? THIS IS DANA.

I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU DANA.

SO I HAVE A MOTION INTRODUCED BY MYSELF.

UH, COMMISSIONER DIELMAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER HARMON TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE MARCH 9TH, 2020 A REGULAR AND SPECIAL JOINT COMMISSION MEETINGS.

ALL IN FAVOR? UH, LET'S, UH, DO A RAISE, UH, A SHOW OF HANDS.

UH, THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A LITTLE EASIER THAN EVERYBODY CLICKING THEIR MICROPHONE ON IN FAVOR.

UH, SO I HAVE EYES FROM, UH, NIKAYSHA JAMES, JONATHAN, REBECCA, EVA, YOU RAISING YOUR HAND PAPER OR THERE YOU GO.

LACE LISA, SHANE AND MYSELF.

SO, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UNANIMOUS.

UH, NEXT STEP ON THE AGENDA.

UM, YOU KNOW, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS ON HERE.

JAMIE ON THE AGENDA, DEWEY, UM, THERE, BUT BUTTON THE REMOTE INSTRUCTIONS.

SO THERE'LL BE SPEAKING ON THE ITEM, BUT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

OKAY.

SO YOU'RE GONNA TH THAT SEEMS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I READ IN THE INSTRUCTIONS WHERE THEY BASICALLY WERE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

IS THAT NOT THE CASE NOW? THAT IS WHAT I MEANT TO MEANT TO STAY.

MY APOLOGIES.

I'M SORRY.

EXCUSE ME.

THIS IS MARINA FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND YOU ARE KIND OF THE, WE ARE NOT CONDUCTING CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS DURING VIRTUAL MEETINGS.

THE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE REGISTERED TO SPEAK HAVE REGISTERED TO SPEAK ON CERTAIN ITEMS, BUT THEY ARE ALL TO BE HEARD AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, NOT WHEN YOU TAKE UP THE ITEM.

OKAY.

SO I GUESS IT'S TIME

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NOW FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATIONS.

JAMIE? YEAH.

SO FIRST UP, I BELIEVE WE HAVE PAUL ROBBINS ON THE LINE.

OKAY.

HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE CAN.

GREAT.

UM, GIVEN THE AUDIO PROBLEMS, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, BUT, UH, THE TIME IS FOUR, THREE MINUTES COMMISSION ON PAUL ROBBINS.

I'M AN ENVIRONMENTAL ACTIVIST AND CONSUMER ADVOCATE.

I'M HERE TO PROTEST THE NEW STANDARDS FOR GREEN BUILDINGS ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY AND MORE TO THE POINT, THE PROCESS FROM WHICH THESE NEW STANDARDS WERE CREATED FOR THE LAST 15 MONTHS OR SO, AUSTIN ENERGY'S GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM HAS BEEN REVISING ITS VOLUNTARY RATING SYSTEM FOR RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS.

I SAW IT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE REVISION PROCESS.

I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN CLEAN ENERGY GOING BACK DECADES.

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MORE RECENTLY I WROTE AN EXTENSIVE ARTICLE ABOUT TOXINS EMBEDDED IN COMMON BUILDING MATERIALS AND SAFER ALTERNATIVES.

I ADVISE THAT THE NEW GREEN BUILDING STANDARDS REMOVE TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS WHEN COST-EFFECTIVE ALTERNATIVES EXISTED.

I FELT THAT THE REVISION PROCESS WAS HEAVILY BIASED.

SO I ATTEMPTED TO DO WHAT A LOT OF ADVOCATES IN MY POSITION WOULD DO.

APPEAL IT.

FIRST I WENT TO THE CITY'S ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION, GAVE A PRESENTATION ON THE NEED TO REMOVE TOXIC MATERIALS FROM NEW BUILDINGS AND ASKED FOR THE COMMISSION'S ENDORSEMENT.

THEY VOTED FOR THE CONCEPT OF REMOVING TOXINS FROM NEW BUILDINGS.

UNANIMOUSLY, I WAS SET TO GIVE A SIMILAR PRESENTATION TO THIS COMMISSION HAD ITS APRIL MEETING AT THE SAME, AT THE SAME MEETING, GREEN BOWLING STAFF.

WE'RE GOING TO SOLICIT YOUR INPUT.

THIS IS A ROUTINE FUNCTION OF CITY ADVISORY BOARDS.

INSTEAD, WE FIND THE TYPICAL PROCESS COMPLETELY IGNORED.

THERE WILL BE A STAFF PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT IT WILL NOT BE TO GET YOUR INPUT.

IT IS TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.

I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW IRREGULAR THAT THIS HE IS OR CONDESCENDING.

NOT ONLY AM I PREEMPTED FROM APPEALING TO THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION, BUT THE COMMISSION'S IMPROVED IS PREEMPTED AS WELL.

IF THIS IS THE NEW SHAPE WAS CITY ADVISORY BOARDS, WHY EVEN HAVE THEM AS A WAY FORWARD? I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR THREE THINGS.

FIRST, RMC SHOULD ASSERT ITSELF AS STAKEHOLDERS IN GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM REVISIONS, HENCE FORTH.

THE COMMERCIAL PART OF THE GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM WILL BE UP FOR REVISIONS.

NEXT YOU SHOULD HAVE INPUT.

SECOND, I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO GIVE MY PREEMPTED PRESENTATION ON GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM REVISIONS AT THE NEXT FALL MEETING OF THE COMMISSION AND THIRD THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM REVISIONS THAT HAD JUST BEEN APPROVED WITHOUT YOUR INPUT, THE CONSIDERED TEMPORARY AND OVER THE NEXT SIX TO 12 MONTHS RMC SHOULD ADVISE COUNSEL AND STAFF ON HOW TO IMPROVE THEM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

PAUL.

DO WE HAVE ANY REDIRECTS FOR PAUL OR ANYBODY WANT TO, UM, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR PAUL.

NO, RIGHT.

JAMIE, NEXT SPEAKER.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER AND I DO NOT HAVE CATHERINE.

CATHERINE, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM.

YOU'RE UP.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, RIGHT? DEAR COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

I'M KATHERINE O'TOOLE, FOUNDER OF GREEN FOR A REASON AFTER SEVERE SECOND CANCER DIAGNOSIS, I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE CANCER CAUSING CHEMICALS AND PRODUCTS USED TO BUILD, FURNISH AND DECORATE OUR HOMES AND IT HAS BECOME MY MISSION TO SHARE THIS INFORMATION.

AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING HAS MADE GREAT STRIDES AND IS A LEADING PILLAR IN THE ENERGY AND GREEN MOVEMENT.

AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING HAS PUSHED THE LIMITS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

HOME ENERGY HAS REACHED AMAZING HEIGHTS AND NOW I BELIEVE IT'S TIME FOR THE HEALTH OF OUR HOMES TO CATCH UP.

IN 2017 OVER 5 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES DIED FROM CANCER WITH NEARLY 2 MILLION CASES, NEW CASES ANNUALLY.

ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF HEALTH, LESS THAN 10% OF CANCERS ARE HEREDITARY, WHICH LEAVES US WITH OVER FOUR AND A HALF MILLION CANCERS CAUSED BY ENVIRONMENT AND LIFESTYLE.

IT IS MY BELIEF, IF OUR HOME ENVIRONMENTS WERE HEALTHIER, LIFESTYLES WOULD BE HEALTHIER.

THIS DISASTROUS CONSEQUENCES OF TOXIC CHEMICALS OFFGASSING IN OUR HOMES IS UNDENIABLE, ESPECIALLY AS WE SPEND 90% OF OUR LIVES INDOORS.

OFTEN MANAGING HAS THE POWER TO HAVE MANY PEOPLE AT AUSTIN BE HEALTHIER.

AUSTIN ENERGY HAS THE PLATFORM TO BECOME THE BEACON FOR HEALTHY HOMES IN THE UNITED STATES.

TODAY'S BE THE SHINING LIGHT.

I'VE OFTEN WONDERED IF SOMEONE HAS ADVOCATED FOR NONTOXIC CHEMICALS AND PRODUCTS IN MY HOME, WOULD I

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NOT TO HAVE HAD TO ENDURE THE HORRENDOUS CANCER EXPERIENCE? AND NOW I LIVE WITH THE AFTEREFFECTS FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

I KNOW MANY PEOPLE THROW TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK INTO THE CODES FOR THIS YEAR AND PREVIOUS YEARS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO CODIFY INDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS DUE TO THE LACK OF INFORMATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO WORK WITH AUSTIN ENERGY TO HELP FURTHER THE MARKET RESEARCH TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE FACT BASED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HEALTHIER ENVIRONMENT INDOOR ENVIRONMENTS.

I'M ASKING AUSTIN ENERGY, GREEN BUILDING TO PUSH THE BOUNDARIES FOR EVERYONE, FOR HUMANS, FOR BABIES, ESPECIALLY YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN WHERE HEALTH IS IN YOUR HANDS.

THEY ARE A FUTURE GENERATION AND THEY ARE MOST AT RISK.

SEE THE EXAMPLE FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY FROM A CANCER SURVIVOR WHO WANTS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ILLNESS IN THE UNITED STATES? I WANT TO ADVOCATE FOR EVERYONE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE APPROXIMATELY 20 MILLION CHILDREN IN THIS COUNTRY UNDER THE AGE OF 10 AND THE 7 MILLION BABIES IN UTERO.

PLEASE GIVE THEM THE GIFT OF A HEALTHIER LIFE.

NO ONE WANTS TO SEE A CHILD, ESPECIALLY WITH CANCER.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, KATHERINE.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS FOR CATHERINE? ANY REDIRECT? NONE.

THANK YOU AGAIN, CAPTAIN.

THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS AFTERNOON.

UM, NEXT STEP ON THE AGENDA

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IS NEW BUSINESS.

UM, WE ONLY HAVE ONE RCA ON THE AGENDA AND IT'S FOR, UH, UH, OUR RECOMMENDATION ON AUTHORIZATION AND NEGOTIATION EXECUTION OF A MULTITERM CONTRACT WITH CLEAR RESULT CONSULTING.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON, UH, ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA, UH, ON THE RCA? NONE.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE.

ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA.

AUTHORIZATION AND NEGOTIATION EXECUTION OF THE MULTITERM CONTRACT WITH CLEAR RESULT CONSULTING OR SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY RETAILERS AND SAVINGS PROGRAMS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT TO THAT EFFECT.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU.

SMITTY.

SO, UH, MY SELF COMMISSIONER DIELMAN, UH, HAS MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND, RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND AUTHORIZATION AND NEGOTIATION EXECUTION OF A MULTITERM CONTRACT WITH CLEAR RESULT CONSULTING TO PROVIDE SUPPORT SERVICES FOR ENERGY EFFICIENCY RETAIL INSTANCE SAVINGS PROGRAM FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS FOR A TOTAL CONTRACT NOT TO EXCEED 5 MILLION, $250,000.

UH, THE MOTION IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ALL IN FAVOR? A SHOW OF HANDS.

I HAVE, UH, ANY ABSTENTIONS? SMITTY ABSTAINS.

ARE YOU SMITTY? ARE YOU MOTIONING APPROVAL OR ABSTAINING? APPROVAL.

LOOKS LIKE A MOTION PASSES ON A EIGHT, NINE TO NOTHING.

VOTE COUNT THAT RIGHT TIMMY? YES SIR.

YOU'RE GOOD.

I HAD A POSITIVE, A POSITIVE, UH, VOTES FROM, UM, THOSE PRESENTS.

SO NIKAYSHA, JAMES, JONATHAN, REBECCA, KYEEBA, LISA, SHANE AND SMITTY AND MYSELF.

FORGIVE ME, THIS IS DANA CALLING IN AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

SO IT'S ATTENDANT.

NOTHING BUT AWESOME.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, DANA.

UM, ITEM THREE

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ON THE AGENDA IS A BRIEFING BY AUSTIN WATER TO INCLUDE DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION OF AUSTIN OF WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE, UM, BEFORE, UM, WE HAVE THAT PRESENTATION.

UH, I WOULD ASK, UH, HOW MANY OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE AND KNOW, UM, EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT.

AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.

WE NEED AUSTIN WATER TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY'RE HERE AND THEN GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WITH US.

YES, NO, WE HAVE, UM, WHO'S, WHO'S REPRESENTING AUSTIN WATER TODAY? YES, THIS IS ON THE

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LINE.

OKAY.

AURORA.

UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO, UH, ANY, UH, PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MENTION ABOUT THE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS? SO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT IS LOCATED IN THE DRINK OF WATER PROTECTION ZONE.

ANY, ANY SPECIALS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW? NO, NOT REALLY.

THIS IS JUST CONSISTENT WITH LAST YEAR'S, UH, BRIEFING WHERE WE PROVIDED, UM, THE LISTING OF, UH, PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE.

UH, WE PROVIDED THE MEMO ALONG WITH THOSE EIGHT PROJECTS AND THE MAP OF WHERE THOSE PROJECTS ARE LOCATED AND WE'RE JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

AURORA.

UH, THE ONE QUESTION I ALWAYS ASK, I THINK IS HOW MANY OF THESE PROJECTS ARE NEW TO THE LIST AND HOW MANY OF THEM ARE, UH, ONGOING.

OKAY.

I BELIEVE ALL, ALL EIGHT PROJECTS ARE NEW TO THE LIST BECAUSE IT, THE INTENT OF THIS BRIEFING IS TO PROVIDE AND RECOMMEND NEW PROJECTS THAT ARE IN OUR FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN.

AND SO ALL THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE NEW TO THE CIP PLAN.

OKAY.

GOOD DEAL.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HAVE? OH, DON'T WORRY.

YOU GOT OFF EASY TODAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, JAMIE, ARE WE, UM, ARE WE EXPECTED ACTION ON ITEM THREE OR IS IT JUST A BRIEFING RECOMMENDATION FOR ACTION? THAT'S WHAT IT USUALLY IS.

I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT.

UH, UM, DIDN'T I, I GUESS IT'S NOT A, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE IT, BUT IF IT WAS ACTIONABLE OR NOT.

SO IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS, UM, JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR, WHAT IS THAT WORKING FOR AURORA? IT'S HERE TO, UM, REQUEST THE RECOMMENDATION IF POSSIBLE.

OKAY.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE AS PRESENTED BY AUSTIN WATER.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SMITTY AGAIN, RAISES HIS HAND.

THANK YOU.

SMITTY.

UM, SO COMMIT MYSELF.

COMMISSIONER DIELMAN, UH, UH, HAS MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS LOCATED IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE AS PRESENTED BY, UH, AUSTIN WATER TODAY.

UH, MOTION WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH.

ALL IN FAVOR.

BY SHOW OF HANDS.

I HAVE A, IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY CHAIN, DANA .

UH, I'LL, I'LL, HOW ABOUT IF I ROLL CALL? SHE SHOW AUNT.

SO NIKAYSHA YOU HAD YOUR HAND RAISED.

JAMES HAD HIS HAND RAISED.

JONATHAN HAD HIS HAND RAISED.

HEY EVA, ARE YOU IN FAVOR AND RAISED? REBECCA'S HAND.

RAISE LISA IN FAVOR AND RAISE SHANE IN FAVOR.

YOU ABSTAINING? UH, YOU'RE ON MUTE.

STILL ON MUTE.

UNMUTE FROM THE WEBEX APP.

THERE YOU GO.

I THINK I JUST HEARD YOU.

YEAH.

NOW YOU'RE UNMUTED.

SHANE.

TRY STAR SIX ON YOUR PHONE.

SHANE, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME NOW? WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I WAS JUST SAYING ALL I'M SAY AND I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE QUESTIONS TO ASK.

REALLY.

UM, NO, NO CONCERNS THOUGH.

UM, YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU SHANE.

SMITTY, I THINK YOU SHOWED POSITIVE.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE THE MOTION PASSES ON A NINE.

YES MA'AM.

FORGIVE ME ONE MORE.

I'M IN FAVOR.

I'M SORRY DANA.

I KEEP FORGETTING BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE YOUR LOVELY FACE, SO I'M TRYING TO WIND BACK ON, BUT EVERY TIME I DO IT CRASHES.

APOLOGIES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO THE MOTION PASSES ON A NINE VOTE POSITIVE ONE AND ONE PERSON THAT'S UH, MR. JOHNSON, UM, ABSTAINING.

SO, UM, MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR,

[Item 4]

A BRIEFING BY AUSTIN GREEN

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BRIEFING BY AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING ON NEW STANDARDS.

HI, THIS IS HEIDI.

CAN YOU BRING UP MY PRESENTATION FOR ITEM FOUR? CAN YOU TELL US WHICH ONE IT IS? YEAH, YEAH.

IS IT THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN REVISION? NO.

IS AUSTIN GREEN EN AUSTIN GREEN ENERGY BUILDING RESIDENTIAL RATING DEVELOPMENT UPDATE.

HOLD ON WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR IT.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO STEP OFF CAMERA FOR A SECOND, BUT I'M LOOKING AT MY PHONE SO I'LL BE PRESENT.

UM, WHAT ITEM IS THE PRESENTATION FOR NUMBER FOUR? I DON'T THINK WE HAVE IT HERE.

I BELIEVE STEPHANIE SAID IT WAS ALL SET UP TO GO.

THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I SAW FROM STEPHANIE AS WELL.

I ONLY RECEIVED TWO DIFFERENT EMAILS WITH BACKUP DOCUMENTS TO BE PRESENTED.

IF IT'S THROUGH BCIC THEN YOU'D HAVE TO ACCESS THEM YOURSELF.

I JUST RE SEND IT TO THE JOSEPH MARINA AND STEPHANIE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A DIRECT EMAIL, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU OR I'M GOING TO STEP OFF CAMERA FOR A SECOND, BUT I'M LISTENING ON MY PHONE SO IT DOESN'T, I MEAN I CAN JUST DO THE VERBAL, BUT HOW DOES, UM, DOES EVERYBODY, DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF THEM? YES.

HI.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

UM, YOU'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT A COPY OF IT, SO IF YOU'LL JUST TELL US WHEN TO SWITCH SLIDES THEN WE CAN JUST SWITCH THE SLIDES AS, AS WE GO THROUGH.

SO SOUNDS, SOUNDS GOOD.

OKAY.

SO, HI, MY NAME IS HEIDI CASPER AND I MANAGED THE RESIDENTIAL TEAM CROSS AND THEN AS SHE COULDN'T BUILDING, IF YOU COULD GO TO SITE TWO PLEASE.

BEFORE I TALK ABOUT THE RATINGS UPDATE, I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR HOW WE USE THEM WITH COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND THE GRANT FROM THE DOE.

AUSTIN DEVELOPED THE FIRST SINGLE FAMILY GREEN BUILDING RATING IN 1991 EVER SINCE THAT TIME WE'VE UPDATED THE RATINGS PERIODICALLY AS ONE OF THE TOOLS WE USE FOR MEETING A VARIETY OF CITY GOALS.

THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THE RATINGS SUPPORT A NUMBER OF CONSERVATION GOALS AND CITY PLANS, WHICH IS THE CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN, THE ZERO WASTE PLAN AND THE RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN.

JUST TO NAME A FEW.

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WE ALSO USE THE RATINGS AND OUR EDUCATIONAL OFFERINGS TO SUPPORT OTHER CITY GOALS AND STRATEGIC INITIATIVES AROUND QUALITY OF LIFE.

THIS INCLUDES PROMOTING HEALTHIER INDOOR AND OUTDOOR ENVIRONMENT, TRANSPORTATION ISSUES, EQUITY ISSUES SUCH AS CONSTRUCTION WORKER SAFETY AND THE LIKE.

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THE RATINGS HAVE BROAD IMPACT, 20 TO 30% OF NEW CONSTRUCTION AND AUSTIN EARNS AN AUSTIN ENERGY RATING.

THIS INCLUDES ALL PROJECTS PARTICIPATING IN SMART HOUSING AND A NUMBER OF ZONING AGREEMENTS INCLUDE GREEN BUILDING.

WE HAVE RATINGS FOR THREE MARKETS, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL.

WE APPLY THE MULTIFAMILY RATING TO LOW AND MID RISE BUILDINGS.

HIGH RISE.

MULTIFAMILY USES THE COMMERCIAL RATING.

THE RATING UPDATES THAT WE UNDERTOOK WERE FIRST SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY.

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THE TEAM STARTED WORKING ON THE UPDATE IN JANUARY OF 2019 WITH AN INITIAL DRAFT GOING OUT TO STAKEHOLDERS IN JUNE OF 2019 STAKEHOLDERS CONSISTED PRIMARILY OF THE ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS, BUILDERS, AND DEVELOPERS THAT WE WORK WITH FREQUENTLY WHO ARE INVESTED IN THE PROGRAM AS WELL AS SOME INTERESTED IN NONPROFITS AND ADVOCACY GROUPS AND IN PERSON.

STAKEHOLDER MEETING WAS HELD LAST SUMMER AND THE SECOND DRAFT ISSUED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.

WE ALSO ADDRESSED THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION EARLY THIS YEAR.

SPECIFICALLY ON THE TOPIC OF TOXICS AND BUILDING MATERIALS.

WE COMPLETED THE FINAL DOCUMENTS ON MAY 8TH AND ANNOUNCED THEIR COMPLETION AND EFFECTIVE DATE ON THE 11TH THE LAST UPDATE OCCURRED IN 2016 AND COORDINATED WITH THE WORK TO ADOPT THE 2015 IECC.

IN ADDITION TO INCORPORATING STAKEHOLDER INPUT.

THIS UPDATE HELPS LAY SOME GROUNDWORK FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE 2021 IECC AND IT REFLECTS CHANGING TECHNOLOGY STANDARDS AND MARKET CONDITIONS THAT HAVE EVOLVED.

WE HAD ORIGINALLY HOPED TO COMPLETE THE UPDATE IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR TO PREPARE THE MARKET FOR LIKELY CHANGES IN THE NEXT ENERGY CODE AND GIVE US PLENTY OF INFORMATION TO INFORM THAT NEXT ENERGY CODE ADOPTION, BUT GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF STAKEHOLDER INTEREST IN A HIGH VOLUME OF ONGOING WORK, WE DID DECIDE TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

GETTING IT UP SOONER THAN LATER ALLOWS US TO DO THAT PREP WORK FOR THE ENERGY CODE GOING FORWARD.

WE PLAN TO INITIATE ANOTHER ROUND OF UPDATES WHEN WE ADOPT THE NEW ENERGY CODE, THE INNOVATION GUIDES THAT WE RELEASED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WRITING.

WE HOPE TO UPDATE MORE FREQUENTLY AS WE STILL HAVE A NUMBER OF IDEAS WE'RE WORKING ON, BUT THAT HAS WEREN'T READY ENOUGH TO INCLUDE YET.

WE INTEND FOR THOSE GUIDES TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND RAPIDLY INVOLVING.

THEN THE READING GUIDES THEMSELVES.

YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

THIS SLIDE GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS WE RECEIVE.

A LARGE NUMBER OF THE COMMENTS REGARDING THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS INVOLVED PROHIBITING SPECIFIC BUILDING PRODUCTS OR MATERIALS WHICH UNDER ADVISEMENT AND CITY ILLEGAL WE CHOSE NOT TO DO AT THIS POINT AND INSTEAD TRY TO ADDRESS MORE OF THESE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE VOLUNTARY POINT AND THE SECOND ROUND OF STAKEHOLDER FEEDBACK.

WE TOOK A LESS FORMAL APPROACH.

THIS RESULTED IN A WIDER RANGE OF COMMENTS WITH THREE PRIMARY THEME COMMENTS REQUESTING THAT WE PRIORITIZE COSTS, FLEXIBILITY AND EASE OF USE OF THE RATING SYSTEM.

COMMENTS ON HOW WE HAD OR HAD NOT ADDRESSED ITEMS FROM THE FIRST ROUND, PRIMARILY PERTAINING TO HEALTH AND MATERIALS AND THEN THOSE ASKING THAT WE BETTER CLARIFY OR DEFINE HOW TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE MEASURES.

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THROUGHOUT THE WRITING PROCESS.

THERE WERE SEVERAL THEMES THAT GUIDED THE WORK MAINTAINING OR IMPROVING EASE OF USE OF THE RATING SYSTEM, WHICH IS A COMMON REQUEST FROM OUR PARTICIPANTS MAINTAINING AFFORDABILITY SO THAT GREEN BUILDING DOES NOT BECOME OUT OF REACH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR DISCOURAGED OTHERS FROM PARTICIPATING IN SMART HOUSING, KEEPING UP WITH UPDATED STANDARDS SUCH AS FEDERAL STANDARDS ON EMISSIONS AND EFFICIENCY, HEALTHY BUILDINGS AND DESIGN BUILDING MATERIALS AND DESIGN.

THIS WAS IN PART DRIVEN BY A SIGNIFICANT INTEREST IN THIS AREA FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS CHANGING TECHNOLOGIES AND LEGISLATIVE CONSTRAINTS.

SHE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE CHOSE NOT TO IMPLEMENT ANY NEW BASIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD PROHIBIT SPECIFIC BUILDING PRODUCTS OR MATERIALS.

THIS SLIDE IS AN EXCERPT OF HOUSE BILL 24 39 THAT WAS PASSED BY THE LEGISLATURE EARLY LAST SUMMER.

IF YOU READ IT, YOU CAN SEE IT IS VERY BROADLY WRITTEN AND THERE'S DISAGREEMENT AS TO HOW THAT'S BEEN APPLIED TO A PROGRAM LIKE OURS.

GIVEN THAT WE ARE EMBEDDED INTO ZONING, UNDER ADVISEMENT FROM CITY LEGAL, IT WAS DETERMINED IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND PRUDENT TO REFRAIN FROM ADDING THESE TYPES OF PROHIBITIONS TO THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RATING AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON PROMOTING THOSE VOLUNTARY POINTS.

THIS IS IN LINE WITH THE RESOLUTION BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION.

IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

GETTING INTO THE UPDATES THEMSELVES FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY WRITING, WE OVERALL NUMBER OF POINTS AVAILABLE REMAINED ABOUT THE SAME, SO WE LEFT THE SCALE THE SAME.

WE RENAMED THE INDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY CATEGORY TO HELP OUR STAKEHOLDERS FELT THIS WAS AN

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EASIER TO UNDERSTAND TERM THAT STARTS TO ADD THAT FOCUS AS A PERCENT OF POINTS AVAILABLE.

THERE IS SLIGHTLY GREATER EMPHASIS ON HEALTH AND MATERIALS IN THIS NEW VERSION OF THE RATING GOING FROM ABOUT 25% OF THE POINTS AVAILABLE TO ABOUT 28% WATER ALSO WENT UP SLIGHTLY AND SITE AND EDUCATION DROPPED.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

I'M JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE BIG CHANGES.

THERE'S A MORE COMPLETE SUMMARY AVAILABLE.

IF YOU'RE INTERESTED.

THERE ARE TWO NEW BASIC REQUIREMENTS IN THE SINGLE FAMILY WRITING THAT WILL BE REQUIRED OF ALL PROJECTS, A DIGITAL VENTILATION CONTROLLER TO PROVIDE FOR BETTER HUMIDITY CONTROL AND AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS MEASURE REQUIRING A DEDICATED 240 VOLT OUTLET TO SUPPORT CHARGING.

WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SIDE PLEASE.

THIS SIDE GOES OVER SOME ADVANTAGE IN WATER CHANGES.

THERE'S NOW MORE DIFFERENTIATION IN THE EFFICIENCY BETWEEN HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS.

SO PER STAKEHOLDER REQUESTS WE ADDED AN EXTRA POINT FOR USING THE MOST EFFICIENT VERSION.

WE ADDED ADDITIONAL POINTS FOR COMMISSIONING THE HPAC SYSTEM AND THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

LED LIGHTING HAS A MUCH LARGER MARKET SHARE THAN IT DID IN 2016 AND HAS COME DOWN IN COST.

SO WE REDUCED THIS TO ONE POINT.

WE ADDED AN ELECTRIC READINESS POINT THAT ALIGNS WITH THE LANGUAGE IN THE 2021 IECC AND WATER.

WE ADDED A POINT FOR LOW FLOW, LOW FLOW KITCHEN AND VARSITY FAUCETS AND PER STAKEHOLDER SUGGESTION PROJECTS WILL NOW RECEIVE POINTS FOR A MAP PREMIUM RATED TOILET INSTEAD OF AN ULTRA HIGH EFFICIENCY TOILET MODEL.

WE ALSO ADDED POINTS FOR HOMES THAT NEED A WATER SINCE LABELED HOME CERTIFICATION.

AND WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE WORST RATING AND THE HER'S H2O, UH, RATINGS AS WELL.

UM, WITH AN IDEA TO GET TO WHOLE HOME PERFORMANCE FOR WATER.

YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

BEFORE I DIVE INTO THE HOUSE AND MATERIALS CHANGES, I WANT TO BRIEFLY MENTION HOW COMPLEX THIS AREA CAN BE AND THAT THERE ARE QUITE OFTEN TRADE OFF AND THE RATING WE TRY TO LOOK AT BUILDING MATERIALS FROM A FULL LIFE CYCLE PERSPECTIVE.

WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS OF A MATERIAL ON ENERGY, CARBON AND HEALTH OVER THE LIFE CYCLE OF THAT MATERIAL? SO TO THE NEXT SIDE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS DIFFERENT MATERIALS AND DIFFERENT SUSTAINABILITY ASPECTS OF MATERIALS.

THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL PRODUCT DECLARATIONS AND HEALTH PRODUCT DECLARATIONS THAT ADD MORE TRANSPARENCY TO THE MARKET.

THESE A FAIRLY NEW OTHER STANDARDS LIKE FLOORSCORE SET LIMITS FOR THE AMOUNT OF VOC THE PRODUCT CANNOT GET .

MANY OF THESE STANDARDS ALSO PROVIDE WEBSITES WHERE YOU CAN SEARCH FOR PRODUCTS THAT HAVE MET THE CERTIFICATION.

THIS MAKES IT EASIER TO VET LOOK FOR AND SPECIFY PRODUCTS THAT MEET CERTAIN THRESHOLDS OF FORMAT.

WE TEND TO TRY TO STRUCTURE POINTS AROUND THESE STANDARDS AS OPPOSED TO CREATING POINTS AROUND PARTICULAR CHEMICALS OF CONCERN.

THOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN AN ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT.

HE COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SOME OF THE SPECIFIC CHANGES WE MADE INCLUDE THIS ALLOWING VINYL PRODUCTS TO BE CONSIDERED DURABLE FLOORING.

ADDING A NEW POINT FOR PAINTS THAT DO NOT CONTAIN EIGHT A NEW POINT FOR LOW EMITTING SEALANTS.

WE UPDATED THE CABINET POINT SO REQUIRE NO ADDED YOUR UREA MATA HIDE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW, I FORGOT TO PUT THIS ON THE SLIDE, BUT ADDED FIVE NEW POINTS FOR YOU SAID PVC FREE AND LOW SMOKE, ZERO HALOGEN BUILDING MATERIALS AND WINDOWS SOURCE WIRING AND SUPPLY PLUMBING.

WE ALSO ADDED POINTS FOR PROVIDING DEDICATED DEHUMIDIFICATION.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO THE MULTIFAMILY RATING, WE ADDED A NUMBER OF NEW POINTS AND THEREFORE CHANGED THE SCALE TO REFLECT THAT A TWO STAR WAS 29 POINTS THAT WILL BE INCREASED IN THIS NEW VERSION TWO 35 AND THE SCALE ADJUSTED UP FROM THERE.

AGAIN, WE RENAMED THE INDOOR ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY SECTION TO HOUSE AND THE HEALTH AND MATERIALS SECTION OF THE RATING HAS SLIGHTLY GREATER EMPHASIS.

NEXT SLIDE.

WE HAVE SEVERAL NEW BASIC REQUIREMENTS IN THE MULTIFAMILY RANTING.

JUST LIKE FOR SINGLE FAMILY, WE ADDED A REQUIREMENT FOR A DIGITAL VENTILATION CONTROLLER AS A STEP TOWARDS BETTER HUMIDITY.

WE ARE REQUIRING EXHAUST FANS VENTED TO THE OUTSIDE AT ALL COOKTOPS.

ALL DUCTWORK REGISTERS AND GRILLS KEPT COVERED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND DEMONSTRATE IRRIGATION WATER DEMAND REDUCTION BY 30% AND WE UPDATED THE RECYCLING CAPACITY REQUIREMENTS TO ALIGN WITH THE RECYCLING ORDINANCE.

IN THE ENERGY SECTION.

WE AGAIN REDUCED POINTS FOR LED LIGHTING AND REMOVED POINTS.

THE STANDARD GOT THE APPLIANCES AS IT'S NO LONGER CLEAR THERE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT TO GAS AS OPPOSED TO ELECTRICITY.

WE HAVE ADDED A NUMBER OF POINTS TO IMPROVE INSTALLATION QUALITY AND AGAIN AN ELECTRIC READINESS POINT TO ALIGN WITH THE 2021 IECC CODES IN WATER.

WE HAVE ADDED A POINT FOR SMART IRRIGATION CONTROLS AND APPOINT FOR WHAT

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ARE YOU MARKING THROUGH PORTFOLIO MANAGER.

OUR HOPE IS TO EVENTUALLY ALIGN THIS WITH THE TOOLS AND REQUIREMENTS COMING OUT OF THE WATER FOOD PROCESS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

FOR HOUSE AND THE MULTIFAMILY RATING, WE ADDED AN AUDITORY COMFORT POINT.

WE ALREADY HAD A NUMBER OF LOW EMITTING MATERIALS POINTS THAT WE HAVE MAINTAINED WHO IS ADDED ONE FOR PAINTS THAT DID NOT CONTAIN APES.

WE ADJUSTED THE COMPOSITE WOULD POINT TO FOCUS ON NO ADDED UREA FORMALDEHYDE CABINET WITH AN ADDITIONAL POINT.

IF ALL COMPOSITE WOODS ON THE PROJECT ARE NO ADDED, YOUR BRIEF AMOUNT OF HIDE HUMIDITY IS A BIG CONCERN AMONGST FOR FAMILY, SO WE'VE ADDED THREE POINTS FOR PROVIDING DEDICATED DEHUMIDIFICATION.

IT'S COSTLY, BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO.

WE HAVE ADDED A NEW DURABILITY POINT IN THE MATERIALS SECTION AND DRAMATICALLY INCREASED THE FLEXIBILITY AND NUMBER OF POINTS AVAILABLE FOR CHOOSING PVC FREE MATERIALS.

TO GO.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

IN THE PSYCH CATEGORY, WE ADDED AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE READINESS SUITE THAT WE HAD ALREADY BEEN AWARDING CURRENTLY AS AN INNOVATION IN THE EQUITY SECTION.

WE'VE ADDED A HOUSING AFFORDABILITY CALCULATOR AND INCREASED THE POINTS AVAILABLE.

THEY ALSO ADDED POINTS FOR PROVIDING FOR ELECTRIC BIKES AND SCOOTERS AS AN ALTERNATE FORM OF TRANSPORTATION.

SO LETTING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

IN ADDITION TO THE POINTS FROM THE RATING CATEGORIES, UH, PROJECTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO SUBMIT OTHER SUSTAINABILITY MEASURES IN THE INNOVATION CATEGORY TO HELP SUPPORT THIS.

WE'VE DEVELOPED INNOVATION GUIDES.

THE GUIDES INCLUDE INFORMATION ON HOW TO DEVELOP AN INNOVATION MEASURE AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF INNOVATIVE IDEAS.

TOPICS COVERED INCLUDE THINGS LIKE MATERIALS, IMPACT ANALYSIS, LIGHTING QUALITY, SMART LEAK DETECTION, BATTERY STORAGE, EMBODIED CARBON REDUCTION AND USE OF NON GREENHOUSE GAS REFRIGERANTS.

THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE LIVING DOCUMENTS THAT WE CAN INVOLVE WITH MORE FLEXIBILITY TO REFLECT CHANGING TECHNOLOGY KNOWLEDGE AND PRACTICES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST.

I BELIEVE KURT AND MYSELF THAT BOTH HERE TO THE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY.

THANKS.

ANY QUESTIONS GUYS? ANY REDIRECTS? I HAVE A QUESTION.

YES.

UM, WHAT PRESENTATION, UM, AND SORRY IF I MISSED THIS EXPLICITLY, BUT I'M ONE OF YOUR LAST SLIDES.

YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU REMOVED THE POINTS OR GAS APPLIANCES.

DID YOU TAKE THE NEXT STEP OF GIVING POINTS FOR NOT USING GAS APPLIANCES AND USING ELECTRIC INSTEAD? UM, WHAT WE, WHAT WE SAID IS PUT IN A POINT FOR ELECTRIC, UH, READINESS, WHICH ADDRESSES THOSE, UM, PROJECTS THAT ARE USING ELECTRIC APPLIANCES NOW AND ONE STOTT, UH, MAYBE USING GAS NOW, BUT PREPARE TO ALLOW THAT CUSTOMER CHOICE IN THE FUTURE.

UM, WITHIN, THERE'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT FOR ALL ELECTRIC, UH, PROJECTS.

BILL SAID JUST BEING ALL ELECTRIC WON'T EARN YOU THE POINT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PREPPED, UM, OR INSTALLED HEAT PUMP WATER HEATERS RATHER THAN ELECTRIC RESISTANCE.

UM, SO THAT CUSTOMERS CAN MOVE TO THAT TECHNOLOGY IF NOW IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY.

SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY.

YOU WERE SAYING THERE YOU CAN GET POINTS FOR MAKING YOUR, THE BUILDING ELECTRICAL CLIENTS READY, WHICH I ASSUME MEANS THERE'S A, AN APPROPRIATE WIRING AND OUTLET AT EACH LOCATION FOR THE CORRECT APPLIANCE THAT RIGHT? YES.

OKAY.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF POINTS FOR WHAT IS ACTUALLY INSTALLED, YOU DON'T GET POINTS FOR GAS, YOU DON'T GET POINTS FOR ELECTRIC RESISTANCE, WATER HEATING, BUT YOU DO GET POINTS FOR HEAT PUMPS THROUGH EITHER HOT WATER OR SPACE CONDITIONING.

YES.

OKAY.

AND WHAT ABOUT, UM, INDUCTION STOVES? YOU GET POINTS FOR THAT? UM, WE, WE DON'T HAVE IT CALLED OUT AS A SPECIFIC, UH, POINT IT, UM, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING SOMEBODY COULD CERTAINLY PROPOSE, SO.

OKAY.

WAS THERE ANY REASON WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE AS PART OF, UH, THE WHOLE, UH, ELECTRIC READY, UM, READINESS MEASURE.

OKAY.

AND I MEAN, I GUESS I SAID IN THE INDUCTION STOVES, BUT REALLY ELECTRIC STOVES IN GENERAL.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T GET A POINT, IS THAT CORRECT?

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NOT ON THEIR OWN.

OKAY.

BUT YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE WANTED TO RECOMMEND THAT WE CAN DO SO.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY YOU WOULD CAUTION AGAINST THAT AGAINST AN, AN INDUCTION STOVE TOP.

OH, WELL, JUST, YOU KNOW, POINTS FOR, YES.

ELECTRIC STOVES, INCLUDING INDUCTION STUFF.

UM, NO, I MEAN I THINK, I THINK OUR LEANING WAS TO, UM, HAVE FOLKS THINK ABOUT IT COMPREHENSIVELY IN TERMS OF THEIR HOME RATHER THAN ON EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLIANCE.

UM, AND, AND IF THEY WERE GOING TO DO AN ELECTRIC STOVE THAT THEY WOULD ALSO DO ELECTRIC FOR YOUR DRYER AND FOR YOUR WATER HEATING.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE WERE LEANING ON IT.

RIGHT.

AND I GUESS HONESTLY THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE AS WELL.

BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S NOT A POINT FOR THAT.

IS THAT CORRECT? OH, IF YOU DO AN ALL ELECTRIC HOUSE, AS LONG AS HE MAKES THE PROVISION THAT YOU HAVE ENOUGH SPACE, JUST PHYSICAL AREA TO DO A HEAT PUMP WATER HEATER RATHER THAN THE ELECTRICAL ASSESSMENTS, YOU GET A POINT FOR THAT.

OKAY.

SO AN ALL ELECTRIC HOME DOES RECEIVE A POINT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

THANKS.

I APPRECIATE IT.

SORRY, IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO GET THERE.

NO, THAT'S OKAY.

THANKS KATIE.

REBECCA, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, I HAVE TO.

UM, AS FAR AS THE INDOOR AIR QUALITY, DOES IT COVER WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PUT IN THE HOME? NOT WHAT THE HOME IS BUILT WITH, UH, LIKE FURNITURE.

CAUSE I KNOW FURNITURE HAS A LOT OF LIKE FLAMMABILITY AND TOXIC MATERIALS THAT ARE PUT INTO LIKE THE STUFFING AND THE COVERING OF FURNITURE.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COVERS FURNISHINGS, TEMP, YOU KNOW, NOT PERMANENT BUT NO.

YEAH, THERE REALLY ISN'T.

UM, BECAUSE FOR THE MOST PART THAT'S NOT PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE WORK.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S REMOVABLE.

SO THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WE TRY AND ADDRESS THROUGH MORE OF OUR EDUCATION INITIATIVES AS OPPOSED TO THE RATING, WHICH IS THE RATING FOR THE BUILDING.

UM, SO THINGS THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE INSTRUCTION AND THE, THE SCOPE, WE DON'T REALLY COVER THOSE.

WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS THAT TRY AND GET TO OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE.

UM, MORE ON THE MULTIFAMILY SIDE.

UM, SINCE THOSE HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT INVOLVED.

BUT EVEN THERE IT'S REALLY TOUGH BECAUSE THE RATING IS A POINT IN TIME, UM, WAITING.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE AWARDING THAT, UM, CONDITIONAL WELL AWARDING A FINAL APPROVAL SO THAT THEY CAN PULL THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.

SO TRYING TO, UM, HAVE MUCH THAT GOES BEYOND WHEN THE BUILDING IS OCCUPIED IS, IS REALLY AN HONOR.

SO SOME, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN COVER WITHIN A BUILDING RATING.

OKAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? IS IT SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL, THE FURNITURE, LIKE HAVING, SO W WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN LIKE, UM, HOME OWNERS, LIKE FURNITURE HOUSE TYPE OF GUY.

UM, NO.

UM, WE ARE ENCOURAGING AND WE AWARD POINTS, UM, FOR, UH, PROJECT, UH, BUILDERS TO PROVIDE THAT MAINTENANCE, UM, DOCUMENT FOR HOMEOWNERS, UM, TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE IN THE HOUSE, HOW TO MAINTAIN THE HOUSE, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THERE TO GET A POINT FOR PROVIDING THAT, THAT DOCUMENT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD GO IN THERE.

IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO GO IN THERE.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, TALK ABOUT, UH, I DID HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

ARE THERE ANY POINTS FOR, UM, LIKE HAVING THE SHADE OF A TREE? THERE'S NOT SPECIFIC POINTS.

HAVING THE SHADE OF THE TREE.

WE DO HAVE POINTS, UM, FOR SINGLE FAMILY IN TERMS OF DOING A SHADE ANALYSIS.

ON THE HOUSE, LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AND HOW YOU'RE POSITIONING ON THE LOT AND DOING A SHADE ANALYSIS.

AND TO THAT POINT IT WOULD INCLUDE TREES THAT CLEAN SO THAT OTHER THINGS LIKE OVERHANGS AND AWNINGS, ET CETERA.

UM, IN THE, IN THE MULTIFAMILY RATING, WE DON'T HAVE THREE STATING AT THE POINT.

OH,

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I GUESS WE SORT OF DO, IT'S AN OPTION FOR LIKE A HEAT ISLAND.

WE'LL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE WAYS YOU CAN ADDRESS HEAT ISLAND AND THE MULTIFAMILY RATING.

OKAY.

BY PLANTING TREES.

YEAH.

BY SHAPE.

MAKING SURE THAT YOU'RE, UM, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YOUR HARDSCAPE IS SHADED BY TREES? YES.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S IT.

THANKS.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.

YEAH, I'M TALKING TO MYSELF.

RIGHT.

WELL I HAD TWO QUESTIONS.

FIRST QUESTION WAS JUST REGARDING THE, UM, THE NEW RATING SYSTEM AS FAR AS HOW MANY POINTS GET ALLOCATED.

UM, WAS THERE ANYTHING DONE TO SEE WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT SHIFT WOULD BE? LIKE HOW MANY OF THE, YEAH.

OF THE CURRENT, IF YOU WERE RATING A PROGRAM OR A BUILDING RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE NEW PROGRAM, UM, HOW MANY WOULD, WOULD SHIFT FROM FIVE STAR, THE FOUR STAR, UM, ET CETERA.

AND LIKE HOW, WHAT KIND OF SHIFT WILL WE SEE? UM, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO SEE LIKE HOW MUCH HARDER, UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED AT HOW MUCH HARDER WOULD IT BE, UM, TO GET TO FIVE STAR, FOUR STAR? UM, NOT IN, NOT TO WHERE I COULD CONFIDENTLY SAY THAT A CERTAIN NUMBER WILL, WILL DROP FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.

UM, BUT I THINK THE MOST, UH, CONFIDENCE THING IS JUST THE, THE, JUST SOME BASIC REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MET.

UM, WE DO LOOK AT THAT, UH, TO TRY AND SO WE'LL TAKE A COUPLE OF SAMPLE PROJECTS THAT, UM, JUST TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THE RATING IS HARDER, BUT, UH, NOT GOING TO BE, UM, OVERLY, UM, SO FOLKS CENTER, UH, HAVE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT IN, UM, SOME OF THE PARTS.

SO THEY, UH, EACH PHASE THREE REQUIRES THEM TO UPDATE ONTO THE NEWEST VERSION OF THE RATING THAT WE DO.

LOOK AT THAT.

SO THAT WE CAN, UM, PREPARE THEM SO THAT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE JUST BARELY MEETING A TWO STAR, NOW WE CAN LET THEM KNOW LIKE, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND SOME EXTRA THINGS TO DO, UM, OR WE'LL LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING.

SO WE DID SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS, BUT IN TERMS OF QUANTIFYING HOW MUCH HARDER IT IS, I DON'T HAVE THAT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

YEAH.

I THINK THAT'D BE FAIRLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE JUST KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, POINT SYSTEMS, OPERATING SYSTEMS AND I REGARD KNOWING THE TYPE OF CHANGE OR IMPACT ON HOW IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER AT THE SAME TIME.

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE DID, WHEN CITY OF AUSTIN DID THE SIDEWALK, YOU KNOW, UM, PRIORITIZATION TO BUILD SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE STARTED DEBATING, YOU KNOW, POINTS AS FAR AS HOW MUCH SHIFTING BETWEEN CERTAIN TYPES OF BUILDINGS.

IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT KIND OF THAT IMPACT.

SO I'D JUST BE CURIOUS TO SEE FURTHER DOWNLINE IF IT WAS A 10% SHIFT, 20% SHIFT, AND UM, JUST ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UH, THE SECOND QUESTION IS JUST REGARDING THE, UM, INNOVATION, UM, KIND OF AS FAR AS ADDING NEW ITEMS, IS THERE GOING TO BE LIKE A SET CADENCE TO THAT AS FAR AS WHEN THINGS, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT, BUT I WAS JUST WANTING TO KNOW IF THE, IF PEOPLE COULD EXPECT A SIX MONTH REVIEW TO W THAT WOULD COME ABOUT OUR A YEARLY REVIEW.

UM, SO EVERYTHING KIND OF WRAPPED UP OR WHAT WAS GOING TO APPROACH GONNA BE RIGHT NOW WE ARE THINKING SIX MONTHS, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE EVER EVER FORMALIZED THAT INNOVATION, UM, AND TRIED TO PUT MORE OUT THERE, UM, OURSELVES RATHER THAN JUST HAVING PROJECTS TURN THEM IN.

UM, THAT MAY TAPER OFF AS WE PUSH A BUNCH OF IDEAS OUT AND NOT, NOT HAVING SO MANY NEW ONES COME IN.

BUT, UM, RIGHT NOW THE THOUGHT IS SIX MONTHS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

THANKS JANE.

YEAH.

HI.

UM, THANKS LEO.

AND UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH HEIDI AND, UH, FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE WITH US.

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UM, MY QUESTION ACTUALLY IN LEO, MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M IN THE RIGHT SPACE HERE, BUT I THINK MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY MORE PROBABLY FOR THE COMMISSION AND DISCUSSION OF OUR PURVIEW RELATED TO THIS PROCESS, UM, THAN THE PRESENTATION ITSELF.

IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK THAT NOW OR SHOULD I WAIT A BIT FOR THAT TYPE OF A QUESTION? UH, LET'S SEE.

LET'S ASK THE QUESTION.

IF WE CAN'T ANSWER IT WELL I KNOW JAMIE WILL JUMP IN AND MAKE A CITIZEN'S ARREST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

RIGHT.

OKAY, GREAT.

THANKS.

UM, SO I, I APPRECIATE THIS.

THIS PROCESS IS QUITE COMPLICATED AND IN TERMS OF RMCS PURVIEW, UM, REGARDING KIND OF THE ENERGY AND WATER CONSERVATION, I THINK OUR ROLE IS QUITE CLEAR.

UM, I'D LIKE TO, I GUESS GO BACK IN AND PERSONALLY THANK PAUL AND CATHERINE FOR THEIR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION COMMENTS EARLIER IN, UH, IN THE MEETING.

UM, AND MAYBE GET A FEEL FROM THE CONDITION, UM, THE TOPIC OF TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS AND IMPLICATIONS ON HEALTH.

MY, MY QUESTION IS I'VE ACTUALLY, I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT OUR BYLAWS TO SEE IF I COULD, I COULD, UH, MAKE SENSE OF WHAT OUR ROLE IN THAT DISCUSSION MAY BE AS THE RESOURCE MANAGEMENT COMMISSION.

AND I WANTED TO MAYBE JUST GET A FEEL FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

DO YOU FEEL THAT SPECIFICALLY TOXIC BUILDING MATERIALS AND, AND THAT, UM, TOPIC AREA OF EXPLORATION IN THIS PROCESS IS APPROPRIATE SCORE, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION BY THIS COMMISSION? OR ARE WE LIMITED TO MORE ENERGY AND WANTS OR CONSERVATIONS AND KIND OF OUR TRADITIONAL, OUR TRADITIONAL LANE, SO TO SPEAK AS A COMMISSION.

AND I, I APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.

UM, I'LL START AND THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR, YOU KNOW, OTHER, OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, UM, ARE SOME OF YOU IS, CAN BE RATHER BROADLY INTERPRETED.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF MATERIALS THAT ARE RELATED TO ENERGY EFFICIENCY, WATER CONSERVATION, UM, SOLAR, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS THAT I THINK THAT ARE RELATED TO THINGS THAT WE DO.

AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE USE OF PRODUCTS OR MATERIALS THAT ARE RELATED TO THOSE MEASURES AND OBSERVATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN IT CERTAINLY WOULD BE UNDER THE PURVIEW.

WE CAN ENCOURAGE THE USE OF LESS TOXIC MATERIALS TO ACCOMPLISH ENERGY EFFICIENCY GOALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, SO, SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A SUBJECT OF INTERPRETATION THAT'S A GRAY AREA.

I THINK.

UH, THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS OF IS, IS, LIKE HEIDI SAID, IS THAT WE DON'T, UM, GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE IN CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW, UH, OR THAT WE'RE IN POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW OR THAT WE'RE REDUNDANT WITH STATE LAW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF THIS DURING THE PANDEMIC, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF INFIGHTING BETWEEN THE GOVERNOR AND THE MAYOR.

AND I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN AVOID SOME OF THAT STUFF, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, IT WOULD BE TO OUR ADVANTAGE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE TO THE CITY'S ADVANTAGE.

SO THAT'S MY TAKE.

THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

SO, UM, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT? I'LL, I'LL SHUT UP AND, OR I'LL RECOGNIZE YOU AND THEN, UH, AND THEN MUTE MYSELF AND LET YOU SPEAK.

ANYBODY ELSE? NOBODY.

I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE.

I'M DESTINED TO BE THE ONLY ONE TALKING YOU AND DAN.

DANNY, YOU AND I ARE THE ONLY ONE TALKING TODAY.

SO JAMIE, WHAT I, UH, LET ME ASK YOU, UM, HOW WOULD YOU READ, HOW WOULD YOU READ THE BYLAWS OR WHAT WOULD YOUR RECOMMENDATION BE? MR. CHAIR, I THINK YOU STATED IT VERY WELL.

THE BYLAWS AND HIS LOOKED AT THEM HERSELF.

TALK ABOUT ENERGY AND WATER CONSERVATION.

THEY DON'T GO INTO BUILDING CODES OR TOXIC MATERIALS CURRENTLY.

OKAY.

WELL I DO THINK, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

UM, UH, OKAY.

UH, DANA, WERE YOU TALKING AND CUT YOU OFF? MAYBE TEVA HAD A COMMENT.

UM, I THINK, WELL YOU WERE KIND OF GETTING AT THIS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO SPEAK IN GENERAL PATIENTS ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE TOXIC, PERHAPS IT WOULD BE, BUT, UM, IN THIS CONTEXT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, PRODUCTS, MATERIALS THAT ARE IN USE IN THE CONTEXT OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

SO, IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, THAT PUTS IT INBOUNDS BECAUSE IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON

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WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AT ALL BECAUSE THIS PROGRAM IS AT LEAST IN WORDS, PRETTY ABOUT ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

GREAT.

AND THAT, AND THAT, AND THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE PAPERS THAT I THINK, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S RELATED TO THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, I THINK THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, IT'S, I THINK IT'S ALLOWABLE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK THINGS LIKE, UM, IN, IN PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN KINDS OF INSULATION MAY BE MORE TOXIC THAN OTHERS.

AND IF WE'RE ENCOURAGING, YOU KNOW, UH, HIERARCHY VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE OF THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, THEN WE COULD CERTAINLY A PINNED, UH, A STATEMENT ABOUT, UH, TOXIC, THE TOXICITY OF THE MATERIALS YOU USE TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS.

SO, OH, Y'ALL, SMITTY.

SMITTY.

GO AHEAD.

SO, AND I THINK I, UH, THIS WAS TOUCHED ON, UM, I WILL REINFORCE IT THAT THE LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, A BILL WAS PASSED THAT, UM, LIMITED TO SOME EXTENT HOW PRESCRIPTIVE ANY CITIES COULD BE IN TERMS OF THEIR CODE ADOPTION.

UM, AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE COLVIN VIRUS, UH, CASES AND IN PREVIOUS, UH, LITIGATION, UH, AROUND THESE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WE ARE FAR BETTER OFF DOING A POINT SYSTEM.

WE'RE FAR SAFER I GUESS IS THE WAY TO SAY IT.

UM, TO NOT NECESSARILY CALL OUT A PARTICULAR KIND OF PRODUCT OR A PARTICULAR CHEMICAL COMPOSITION, UM, AS BEING, UM, PROHIBITED BUT TO DO WHAT THE CA, WHAT THE STAFF IS NOW DOING IN TERMS OF GIVING POINTS AND A RATING SYSTEM FOR THOSE THINGS THAT HAVE THE CHARACTERISTICS, UH, OF NON TOXICITY THAT WE USED SUPPORT.

UM, WE HAVE DONE TREMENDOUS THINGS IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN BY DEVELOPING THIS GREEN BUILDING CODE.

IT'S BEEN USED AS A MODEL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, UH, AND PROBABLY IN OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL.

UM, AS A WAY OF TRANSFORMING BEHAVIOR, UPPING THE ANTI ANTI AMONG BUILDERS.

AND, UM, AS YOU'VE SEEN, IT'S WIDELY BEEN WIDELY ADOPTED IN THE CITY AND IT'S BEEN REMARKABLY SUCCESSFUL IN TERMS OF REDUCING ENERGY USE.

I FOR THAT REASON, WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO PUT A MORE PRESCRIPTIVE THINGS IN THIS CODE.

UM, AND CAUTION YOU AT THIS MOMENT THAT, UM, BOTH THE CITY OF AUSTIN IS UNDER A MICROSCOPE, BUT WITH THE DOMINANCE OF THE SUPREME COURT AND THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE BY PARTICULAR POLITICAL PARTY, ANYTHING THAT AUSTIN DOES THAT MIGHT TRIGGER A RESPONSE COULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT, UH, UNINTENDED AND UNNECESSARY RAMIFICATIONS.

SO WHERE I SHARE CONCERNS AND FOR, FOR, FOR THE, BASED ON ABOUT TOXICITY IN BUILDINGS BASED ON FAMILIAR HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF MY FAMILY, UM, THE ACTIONS, THE TACTICS THAT BUILDING CODES THAT THEY HAD UNFORTUNATE RESULTS ARE IN BUILDING MATERIALS AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY RESULTING, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF TRYING TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO GET TOXINS OUT OF OUR BUILDINGS.

UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.

WE DON'T, UM, SEEK THE PERFECT FOR THE GOOD ENOUGH AND THE TRANSFORMATIVE, WHICH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

THANK YOU.

SMITTY I THINK WAS WELL SAID.

UM, DANA, DID YOU GET THE INPUT THAT YOU NEEDED? YES.

THANK YOU.

I THAT, THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

UM, I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR PERSPECTIVES.

UM, AND KIND OF HELPS ME, UH, JUST THINK ABOUT, UM, OUR PARTICIPATION IN THIS PROCESS.

UM, AND I JUST TO TO, UH, KIND OF SHARE MY 2 CENTS, 2 CENTS.

I KNOW PAUL, UM, HAS, HAS COME TO US A COUPLE OF TIMES, UM, SUGGESTING THAT RMC, UM, UH, SEEK TO BE MORE ACTIVE,

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UM, IN, IN THIS PROCESS.

AND I THINK IT'S, HEIDI SHARED WITH US, IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WAS A QUITE A, UM, A FEW ROUNDS OF INPUT GATHERING.

UM, AND SO JUST, I, IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO CONSIDER PERHAPS BEING A BIT MORE ACTIVE IN THE NEXT, NEXT ROUNDS OF STANDARD SETTING, UH, TO THE EXTENT THAT IT, THAT THE COMMISSION AGREES AND HENCE, OKAY.

OKAY.

I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S WELL NOTED AND I THINK THAT, UM, HEIDI, KURT, I THINK YOU HEARD WE'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN FUTURE STAKEHOLDER DISCUSSIONS AND, AND HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THAT.

SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER HEIDI.

YEAH, THIS IS, UH, WE'RE HAPPY TO, WE'RE HAPPY.

WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON THAT, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

OKAY, GREAT.

THAT LOOKS LIKE, OKAY.

UM, JENNY, WAS THIS, UH, WAS THIS UP FOR ACTION OR WAS IT STRICTLY A BRIEFING? IT'S STRICTLY A BRIEFING.

MR. CHAIR.

OKAY.

THANK YOU JAMIE.

SO, UH, IF THERE IS NO MORE QUESTIONS ON, UM, OR NO MOTIONS OR ACTIONS, OH, IT'S NOT ACTIONABLE.

SO, UM, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER FIVE ON

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THE AGENDA.

I WANT TO DO A REAL QUICK PROCESS CHECK.

WE'VE, UH, IT'S ABOUT FOUR OH NINE ON MY COMPUTER, UH, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE ABOUT 21 MINUTES LEFT BEFORE OUR WINDOW IS CLOSED.

AND SO WE ONLY HAVE, UH, THREE OTHER ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

ONE OF THOSE IS AN UPDATE, UH, FROM THE, UH, COMMUNITY ACTS OR THE ACCESS TO SO WORKING GROUP.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A, UM, UH, THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD PROGRESS THERE.

I WAS VERY PLEASED TO READ THE, THE INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS SENT OUT AND THEN WE HAVE ELECTION OF OFFICERS AND, UH, THEN DISCUSSION OF FUTURE FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. SO, UH, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE AND, UH, WHO'S GONNA LEAD THAT? YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU, SHANE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I HAD THIS SEPARATE MEETING ON MY PHONE IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS INTO THE COMPUTER AS WELL.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD REALLY FAST THAT AND I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING.

THEN I REMEMBERED THAT SHORTLY AFTER I CAME ON LAST SUMMER, WE SORT OF UPDATED, UM, NOT THE BYLAWS.

I THINK JUST SORT OF THE MISSION AND PURPOSE OF THE RMC AND TO REALLY EXPLICITLY, UH, THINK ABOUT AND LOOKING TO EQUITY ISSUES.

SO I THINK PARTICULARLY GIVEN THOSE CHANGES THAT IT REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, NOTWITHSTANDING, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT IN VIOLATION WITH STATE LAWS, YOU SAID, I MEAN, ANY SORT OF EFFICIENCY MEASURE RELATED TO ENERGY OR, UH, WATER AND OTHER THINGS AREN'T REVIEWED, BUT IT REALLY IS NOW, UH, WITHIN OUR PURPOSE THAT WE SHOULD REALLY BE INTENTIONALLY LOOKING OUT FOR HEALTH AND OTHER IMPACTS THAT RELATE TO EQUITY.

OKAY.

YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

THANKS.

THANK YOU SHANE.

I APPRECIATE THAT APPROACH.

I APPRECIATE THAT REMINDER.

I THINK IT'S, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, IT'S A GOOD THING TO, TO, TO UH, BRING UP MMM.

CONTINUOUSLY BECAUSE WE TEND TO TEND TO DROP OFF THE RADAR SOMETIMES.

SO, UH, ITEM FINES.

UM, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THIS ONE ON? UM, DO YOU WANNA KEEP THIS UP? EITHER WAY? I CAN GIVE AN OVERVIEW.

SURE.

I CAN HEAR YOU.

YEAH.

I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THIS ITEM.

JUST WANTED TO WAIT THAT UP.

OKAY.

THANK YOU JONATHAN.

SO JONATHAN IS RECUSING HIMSELF FROM THE CONVERSATION AND UM, UH, WILL REJOIN US DURING ELECTION.

SO, UM, I, I JUST, BEFORE WE GOT STARTED, UM, THE WORKING GROUP HAD HAD DEVELOPED THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN WE HAD THEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR OUR, I GUESS IT WAS OUR JOINT MEETING ON MARCH 9TH AND WE DIDN'T GET, HAVE TIME, UH, TO TAKE IT UP THAT EVENING.

UM, AND SO WE DID SEND THEM ALONG JUST SINCE WE DIDN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WAIT AND, AND DEFINITELY, UM, WE'RE PAST THE TIME WHEN THEY MIGHT BE USEFUL.

DID SEND THEM ON TO AUSTIN ENERGY, UH, STAFF JUST AS A, FROM QUINN AND FOR THAT MATTER.

STAFF IS INVOLVED IN THE WORKING GROUP.

SO IN ANY CASE, IT WAS PASSED UP THE LADDER, UM, ON A KIND OF, I GUESS, LESS OFFICIAL, UH, WAVE FROM THE WORKING GROUP.

SO FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.

UM, AND ALSO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE THE VERSION THAT WE FORWARDED TO ALL Y'ALL IS THAT VERSION WHICH YOU WILL NOTICE, DOESN'T SAY THE RMC RECOMMENDS.

UM, SO I DID SEND TO JAMIE AND I'M NOT SURE IF

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YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEND IT OUT TO EVERYBODY.

THERE IS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VERSION THAT ACTUALLY HAS THAT LIKE RMC RECOMMENDS LANGUAGE, ALL THE CONTENTS THE SAME.

JUST WANTED TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.

THANKS.

THANKS FOR THAT.

UM, THAT INTRODUCTION, I'M NOT USING IT.

RIGHT.

YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.

GREAT.

THANKS.

UM, AND YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, OVERVIEW AND AS I SAY, UM, KIND OF A THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, UM, IN THIS PROCESS AND TO, UH, THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, REBECCA AND SHANE HAVE BEEN, UH, QUITE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL AS AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF THAT, UH, TIM AND MARY AND SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF, UM, THAT WERE PART OF THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN INSTITUTE, UH, EVENT, IF YOU'LL RECALL FROM, FROM LAST FALL.

UM, I THINK THAT THIS PROCESS, UM, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO MANY OF THESE PROCESSES, I THINK WE ALL PROBABLY IT NOT EVERYBODY GOT EVERYTHING THAT THEY WANTED, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE CAME UP WITH A SOLID SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS, UM, THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SUPPORT AND ARE VERY COMFORTABLE PROPOSING, UH, TO THE RMC FOR, UH, FOR ACTION TODAY, UH, IN, IN THIS MEETING.

UM, SO IT'S KIND OF, I MENTIONED, UH, THE LANGUAGE.

UM, WE, THERE WAS AN EMAIL THAT JAMIE