* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] SIX O'CLOCK. [Call to Order] SO LET'S START TONIGHT'S AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. AND I'LL FIRST TAKE FIRST. I WANT US ALL, I ACTUALLY WANT TO THANK THE TECH TEAM AND ANDREW, BECAUSE ANDREW NOW HAS PUT THE LIST OF SPEAKERS FOR WHO ARE SIGNED UP ON OUR IT'S INCLUDED IN OUR BACKUP. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING AND POTTING WEBPAGE, AND YOU WILL SEE ALL THE LIST OF THE SPEAKERS FOR TONIGHT AND FOR FEATURE NIGHTS TOO. SO THERE'S NO SURPRISES AND NOW WE'LL TAKE THE ROLE OF COMMISSIONER OR GARY. OKAY. UM, I TAKE THAT AS A YES. OKAY. CONDITION NUMBER, RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER BURROW. RAMIREZ. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER BREAD. OOPS. COMMISSIONER BRAY. YES. OKAY, GREAT. UH, COMMISSIONER DANGLER. I SAW YOUR MAP, YOUR LIPS MOVE, I GUESS THAT COUNTS, UH, COMMISSIONER THE DUNCAN. OKAY. COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER DUNCAN DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ON THAT COMMISSIONER HERE. HEY, I'M HERE JOINED FOR THE LAST COMMISSIONER RAY SMITH COMMISSIONERS. I NEED TO REMIND YOU TO PLEASE KEEP YOUR MIND. YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING. HOW DID I MISS YOU? COMMISSIONER EVANS ANYWAY. OKAY. NO, IT'S NOT. AND OKAY. TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS [Reading of the Agenda] FIRST A ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM MAY 19TH, 2020, AND THEN BE PUBLIC HEARINGS REZONING, SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FOUR SIX JOLLYVILLE APARTMENTS. AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. B TWO IS A REZONING. SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FOUR ZERO NEW LOT. AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM. B THREE IS A REZONING SEE 14 2019 DASH ZERO ONE SIX TO SLAUGHTER AND COLIN. AND THAT, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT TO JUNE 16TH. AND THAT IS ALSO THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR SITE PLAN SPC DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO THREE SIX A A DASH THREE FIVE THREE FIVE TWO ONE CONVICT HILL DAYCARE. AND THAT IS, UM, THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR, FOR APPROVAL B FIVE RESUB DIVISION C EIGHT DASH 2019 DASH ZERO ONE OH 4.08 PARMER CORNERBROOK BROOK SUBDIVISION. AND THAT IS ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR APPROVAL. AND THEN, AND THAT IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE ALSO HAVE NEW BUSINESS AND ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION. SO, UM, DO [Consent Agenda] WE WANT TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? COMMISSIONER SMITH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND SECOND MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EVANS. THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE WAVE YOUR HANDS AND IN FRONT OF YOUR . OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHTY, GREAT. AND NOW WE [Item B1] WILL HAVE THE FIRST ITEM, WHICH IS B ONE C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FOUR SIX. AND SHERRY IS THE CASE MANAGER. SO YES, SIR. MAY I ASK A QUICK QUESTION? YES. A CARE REMEMBERING LAST WEEK WHEN WE HAD A SPEAKER THAT WAS INADVERTENTLY SIGNED UP FOR THE WRONG ITEM THERE SOMEHOW. UM, OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WAS ON THE LINE. ANY OF THOSE CONSENT ITEMS BEFORE WE MOVE ON. THAT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT IDEA. ANYBODY ON THE LINE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON BEFORE, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN ON CLIMATE AT CONVICT HILL DAYCARE THREE, FIVE, TWO, ONE, OR IS THERE ANYBODY ON THE LINE C5, THE RE SUBDIVISION PARMER CORNERBROOK SUBDIVISION ON LINDELL LANE. OKAY. NOT HEARING THEN. OKAY. THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE FIRST CASE. SO THANK YOU. DUNCAN HAS JOINED US. OKAY. GOT IT. LET'S COMMISSIONER DECKING WITH US ON THE BOAT. [00:05:01] OKAY. YEAH. I HAD AN INSTRUCTION. I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE WAITING UNTIL AFTER SIX. O'CLOCK NOT KNOWING NOW I LOOK BACK AND WE GOT IT. THAT MAKES SENSE. WE GOT AN EMAIL AT FIVE 55 CHANGING THE ADDRESS. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED OR AM I JUST NOT UNDERSTANDING VIDEO CONFERENCE ROOM? I'LL LET THE VIDEO PEOPLE HAND HANDLE THAT. IT APPEARED TO ME TOO, BUT GO AHEAD. ANYBODY WANT TO ANSWER IT? I THINK, I THINK THESE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS, BUT JUST AS IT RELATES ALSO TO THE PUBLIC ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH US AND I HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES AND UH, LATER IN THE MEETING, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS OUR MATTEL. MR. BRADY'S JOHN MYTHS ABOUT VIDEO CONFERENCING. I THINK WE CAN DO A LOT BETTER JOB THAN OKAY. NO, I JUST JOINED IT FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. RIGHT. AND NOW YOU'RE JUST IN TIME FOR THE FIRST CASE. AND SO, SO CASE MANAGER IS SHERRY GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM B ONE, WHICH IS CASEY 14 TO 2020 ZERO, ZERO FOUR SIX. JOLLYVILLE ALL APARTMENTS. IT'S LOCATED AT ONE, TWO, ONE EIGHT, TWO JEALOUS OLD ROSE. THE REQUEST IS FROM ZONING TO MS. ZONING, THE STAFF RECOMMEND, AND THAT'S THREE MORE TYPE FAMILY RESIDENTS, MEDIUM DENSITY DISTRICT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS CURRENTLY VACANT 0.7 ACRE TRACT OF LAND THAT FUNDS ON THE DOLLAR BILL LIVE IN THE NORTH, ACROSS JOLLYVILLE ROAD. THERE IS GR AND GRC ZONING DEVELOPED WITH A COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTER. SO LOTS OF THE SOUTH AND THE EAST ARE ZONED AND ARE DEVELOPED WITH DUPLEX RESIDENCES FURTHER TO THE EAST ALONG JOLLYVILLE ROAD. THERE'S ENOUGH, TWO ZONE TRACKS THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH A MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE THE SHADOW OAKS APARTMENTS TO THE WEST THERE'S P D ZONING THAT CONTAINS FINANCE FINANCIAL SERVICES USE AN AUSTIN TELCO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AND THAT THE REZONING TO REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY WITH A MULTIFAMILY USE WITH APPROXIMATELY 20 TO 26 RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS, AND THAT'S THREE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTS, MEDIUM DISTRICT, MEDIUM DENSITY, DISTRICT ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. ATTRACTIVE LAND MEETS THE INTENT AT THE MFD DISTRICT AS IT IS LOCATED ON AN ARCHER, BUT WAY IN AN AREA WITH AVAILABLE COMMERCIAL SERVICES, THE PROPERTY FUNDS ON DISSOLUBLE ROAD, DESIGNATED ACTIVITY QUARTER, AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE ONE 83 AND MCNEIL NEIGHBORHOODS CENTER AS CALLED OUT BY THE IMAGINE AUSTIN CONFERENCES PLANT. AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN, UM, WE CAN HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND MR. DAVID SPANS, AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. USE ME, LET ME CLEAR MY THROAT HERE. SO, UH, GOOD EVENING. UM, ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. UH, THIS IS DAVID SPATCH. I AM THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY AND I MADE THE APPLICATION TO REZONE IT FROM AS MR. RAY, THIS LAYS OUT VERY CLEARLY. THIS IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY . AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU MORE THAN A DOZEN SOLID REASONS TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY. SOME OF THESE WILL BE REPEATS OF MR RADIUS, BUT IT WON'T TAKE ME VERY LONG TO GO THROUGH THIS LIST. UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, AUSTIN TELCO, FEDERAL CREDIT UNION DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH. UM, WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IS MOSTLY THE WATER QUALITY FIELD FOR THE CREDIT UNION. AND THAT WILL NOT BE CHANGED OR IMPACTED ACROSS THE STREET ARE ALL COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND SERVICES, BUSINESSES THAT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH THE NINE 83 AND TO JOLLYVILLE ROAD. UNLESS THE RESIDENCE OF THIS TV BUILT COMPLEX WERE ABLE TO WALK TO MOST EVERY SERVICE, INCLUDING A GROCERY STORE IN A PHARMACY. UM, THERE IS A METRO BUS SERVICE, 0.2 MILES AWAY. AND I THINK IN, IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS IT'S NOT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. AND I BELIEVE THE STAFF HAS OTHER DATA THAT SAYS IT'S 1200 FEET AWAY FROM METRO BUS SERVICE, THE THROUGH 83 ROUTE. UM, I PLAN TO DEVELOP, USE THE SMART DESIGN ALLOWANCE, AND THAT WILL RESULT IN AT LEAST FIVE AFFORDABLE UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY. AND ADDITIONALLY, SINCE THE SITE IS COMPLETELY FLAT, I EXPECT I CAN GO TO ACCESSIBLE UNITS ON THE GROUND FLOOR. ALSO, THE SITE HAS SEVEN MATURE OAK [00:10:01] TREES THAT ARE 40 FEET TALL. IN ADDITION, THERE ARE MORE OAK TREES. I'M NOT ON THIS PROPERTY THAT HELPED BUFFER THE PROPERTY FROM ANY ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. UM, A THREE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING IS LIKELY 30 TO 32 FEET TALL, AND THE NO LADY LOOKS OVER THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE OTHER TREES. THIS STREET, THIS LOCATION HAS A WALK SCHOOL IN THE MID SEVENTIES. THAT MEANS THAT MOST ALUMS CAN BE DONE BY WALKING AND THE PATIENT IS VILLAIN WALKABLE. THERE'S THE PATIENT HAS A BIKE SCORE IN THE EIGHTIES. THAT MEANS THIS LOCATION. YOU HEARD BIKEABLE AS A TRANSIT SCORE IS 40 AND IT'S PRETTY CONVENIENT TO METRO BUS. AS I STATED EARLIER, UM, JADA ROAD HAS A TRAFFIC LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, THE CEMETERY AND BIKE LANES IN EACH DIRECTION. THERE'S A LIBRARY OF 1.1 MILES AWAY. GREAT HILLS PARK IS 1.4 MILES AWAY, AND I BELIEVE THIS IS AN IDEAL SITE FOR MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY, MF THREE. AND HONESTLY, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPATZ AND I SEE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK OPPOSED IS MR. RICK ANDERSON AND MR. RICK ANDERSON, THANK YOU FOR SIGNING UP AGAIN AND FOR SPEAKING AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THANK YOU. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE MY AGE ACTION TO THIS REZONING. MY FAMILY HAS OWNED THE PROPERTY AT 75 OH SIX CHELSEA MORRIS, SINCE THE MID SEVENTIES PRIVACY, THE CURRENT AREAS PROPERTIES AND HAVE BEEN SINCE BEING BUILT IN THE SEVENTIES. SIMILAR SS TO SF RECONSTRUCTION WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM IN THIS AREA. THE INTRODUCTION OF MF THREE HIGH DENSE MEDIUM DENSITY WITH TWO AND STORY CONSTRUCTION WILL CREATE PRIVACY CONCERNS IN BACKYARDS AND WINDOWS FACING THIS PROJECT. THIS WILL AFFECT APPROXIMATELY 15 SF TWO AND ASSET THREE PROPERTY AND ELIMINATE FAMILY PRIVACY. THIS REZONING WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON AND OFF JOLLYVILLE ROAD IN NEGATIVELY AFFECT DRIVERS AND BICYCLISTS. SINCE THERE ARE NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS FOR PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AREAS, RESIDENTS WILL BE AT RISK CROSSING JOLLYVILLE ROAD. THERE'S ONLY ONE MF TO CONSTRUCTION SHADOW OAKS APARTMENT THAT IS A LOW DENSITY PROPERTY. THE INTRODUCTION OF MEDIUM DENSITY CONSTRUCTION, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS 50 YEAR LAND ZONING AND USE PLAN. IT CREATES A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. THIS WILL INTRODUCE A MAXIMUM OF 28 UNITS INTO A 0.78 ACRE AREA, WHICH HISTORICALLY WOULD ACCOMMODATE 7.5600000000000005 UNITS. THIS IS AN INCREASE AT 371% A HUGE INCREASE FOR A SMALL PROPERTY. THE AUSTIN TELCO PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY TWO ACRES AND COULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE FUTURE INTO 72 MF THREE UNITS. GOOD CHANGES PROPERTY FROM A GREEN BELT INTO A CROWDED AREA WITH A HUNDRED PLUS UNITS IN A VERY SMALL AREA IN TODAY'S SCENE, MS. THREE MEDIUM DENSITY HOUSING INTO THIS AREA WILL NEGATIVELY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES, CITY COUNTY SCHOOL AND DISTRICT TAXES. RENT VALUES WILL BE LOWERED AND THE ABILITY TO SELL PROPERTIES REDUCED THIS ALSO WILL REDUCE RE REDUCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ANDERSON AND MR. SPATZ, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO REBUT MR. SPATZ. SURE. COMMISSIONED LIAISON, ANDREW VERA. UH, JUST A REMINDER TO PARTICIPANTS. THEY MAY HAVE TO SELECT STAR SIX 28 . I DID NOT HEAR THAT. ANDREW CHAIR COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW, OR JUST A REMINDER TO PARTICIPANTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO SELECT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE. [00:15:08] OKAY. ME WITH THE BAT EARS AND NOISE GOING ON OUTSIDE. DID NOT HEAR THAT AGAIN. SO COMMISSIONERS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO GET HIM TO HIT STAR SIX TO UNMUTE HIS MIC AND HE'S NOT UNMUTING HIS MIC. SO WE'RE JUST TO THANK YOU. I'M NOT MY PHONE. WASN'T SHOWING ME AS BEING MUTED. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. HELLO. OKAY. THIS IS DAVID. SO I AGREE WITH MR. ANDERSON'S CONCERNS ABOUT PRIVACY. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PROVES THAT ARE, THAT ARE BLOCKING AND SHIELDING ONE BUILDING FROM ANOTHER KELLYVILLE IS AN ARTERIAL ROAD. SO YOU DO EXPECT TRAFFIC ON IT. AND YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE THAT I GOT A DEMOLITION PERMIT FOR, IT WAS BUILT IN 1940. AND AT THAT TIME, I'M SURE JOLLYVILLE WAS VERY, VERY RURAL AT THIS TIME. THAT ERA IS, IS, IS REALLY CLOSE TO APPLE'S CAMPUS AND A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. THAT'S JUST A COUPLE OF MILES FURTHER EAST AND, UM, SIDEWALKS ARE LIKELY TO BE REQUIRED WHEN I BUILD THERE. SO WE'RE GOING TO START TO GET SIDEWALKS ON JOLLYVILLE ROAD. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY POSITIVE FOR THE TAX SPACE. LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S 20 UNITS AT ASSESSED TO 300,000 EACH AT A 2% TAX RATE. THAT'S 120,000 A YEAR OF ADDITIONAL TAX BASIS. UM, AUSTIN IS THE SEVENTH BIGGEST GAP BETWEEN AVERAGE MORTGAGE PAYMENT, AVERAGE RENT IN THE ENTIRE US NUMBER. ONE'S MANHATTAN, NUMBER TWO, SAN FRANCISCO, SAN JOSE IN OAKLAND. AND THERE'S AWESOME AT NUMBER SEVEN, MS. PARTLY BECAUSE IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET MULTIFAMILY BERLIN'S BUILT, UM, ZONING AS YOU WELL KNOW THAT YOU KNOW, IS, IS, UM, A VERY OLD PLAN. UM, SO THIS IS A POSITIVE PROJECT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND, UM, I ASKED FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW, UM, WE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. HEY, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, OR HE RAISED HIS HAND AND SECOND COMMISSIONER SMITH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT'S UNANIMOUS. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO EVEN SEE VERY SMALL INDICATIONS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK. SO WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST, PLEASE GO AND MAKE A MOTION. SAY SOMETHING. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BRAY. SORRY. I JUST HAD A QUESTION. UH, I DIDN'T SEE A MILLION MISSING IT, BUT I'M NOT SEEING LIKE WHERE ON THE PROPERTY, THE APARTMENTS GOING TO BE LIKE WE'RE FLOATING THROUGH THE TREES. UH, CAN THE APPLICANT SAY SOMETHING KIND OF MAYBE GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW MOM. WHERE'S THE DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO BE AND WHERE THOSE TREES ARE AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN A RELIGION. OKAY. CAN YOU, MR. SPANS? YES. OKAY. THE WAY WE, WE SEE TWO POSSIBLE SITE PLANS, BASICALLY, I THINK THERE ARE TWO BUILDINGS. UM, ONE IS KIND OF IN THE BACK CENTER AND ONE IS MORE TOWARDS THE FRONT, RIGHT? WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SEVEN TREES ON THE PROPERTY, THEY KIND OF CONTROL WHERE WE CAN BUILD. AND THERE'S TWO BUILDING PADS THAT WOULD TAKE A THREE STORY, UM, 10 TO 12, POSSIBLY A 14 UNIT BUILDING. AND TYPICALLY I LIKE TO BUILD TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM UNITS THAT ARE A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. SO THE FOOTPRINT OF THOSE, UM, THOSE KINDS OF BUILDINGS WOULD BE, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE 6,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PARKING LOT UNDERNEATH, AND TWO STORIES ABOVE. IS THAT A CLEAR ENOUGH DESCRIPTION? AND MAYBE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO, I THINK THAT MR. LATUS HAS IN THERE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE TREES AND TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. I REALLY ONLY ASSESSED FOUR WATTS EAST. I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, YES, OBVIOUSLY ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES CAN SEE SOMETHING. ALL I CAN SEE IT AS A WHITE SCREEN WITH SEE ONE ON IT. IS THERE SOMETHING I NEED TO DO TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE MATERIAL THAT'S BEING PRESENTED? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I'VE BEEN BECAUSE I'VE BEEN LOOKING ONLINE, I'VE BEEN, I AM USING TWO COMPUTERS. SO IS THERE, I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE SCREEN. YEAH. [00:20:01] I CAN NOT SEE ANYTHING. OBVIOUSLY MY PELVIC CHAMP, BECAUSE YOU'RE STARING DOWNWARD WITH THE ADVANTAGE OF SEEING WHAT THE SITE PLAN IS PROPOSED. WE'RE NOT SEEING THE SIDE PLAN. WE'RE LOOKING AT PAGE 12, BUT THE BACKUP AND WE HAVE OUR BACKUP OPENED IN A SEPARATE WINDOW. OH, WELL, I'M NOT, I'M NOT THAT SOPHISTICATED. FUCK. AFTER THIS META, YOU CAN TEACH ME ABOUT SPRING SHARING. SO I NEED TO, I NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER SCREEN WITH THE BACKUP TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT IN THE SITE PLAN. MMM. I CAN MINIMIZE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE. GO TO MEETINGS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AM I AS THAT? AND THEN YOU CAN, YOU CAN CLICK THE EMAIL FROM ANDREW AND IT'LL OPEN THE BACKUP IN A BROWSER WINDOW AND YOU CAN MINIMIZE THAT ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEN YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK. YOU GOT IT. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE ALMOST THERE. WELL, NO, I'VE GOT THE, I'VE GOT THE ZONING CHANGE A FEW FEET. UH, WHICH PAGE NUMBER? MR. ROBBINS. THANKS. PAGE 12 OF 25. UH, OH, OKAY. YEAH. HE'S NOT GOING TO DO A I PLAN UNTIL HE GETS TO THE POINT WHERE HE CAN DO A SITE PLAN MONEY. NOW, NOW HELP ME GET BACK TO THE PICTURE. SO THE PICTURES ON PAGE 12 AND IT'S, IF YOU LOOK FROM ABOVE ON PAGE 12, YOU CAN SEE THE DARK GREEN. THAT'S WHERE THE TREES ARE BETRAYED AND THE WHITE BASICALLY OPEN AREA. AND SO THOSE WHITE, THE WHITE IN THE CENTER BACK AND THEN TOWARDS THE FRONT IS THE TWO BUILDING PAD SITES. UM, AND BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY AND WHERE GOING CHELSEA LOOK AT HOW MANY OTHER THREES ARE IN BETWEEN MY CREDIT UNION PROPERTY. I JUST TRIED TO GET BACK INTO THE VIDEO PORTION AND THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT. OH, YOU CAN'T. I'VE GOT, I GO BACK AND IT SAYS START ALL OVER. WE CAN SEE YOU. WELL, MAKE SURE YOU DON'T, DON'T GO TO YOUR BROWSER THING AND YOU CAN GO TO THE APP. DON'T I'M ON MY A HOLD ON. I JUST, OKAY, WELL WE CAN SEE YOU SO WE KNOW YOU'RE SELLING YOUR VIDEO, MR. BLAKE. I CAN SEE YOU NOW. THANK YOU, RIGHT. I'M SORRY TO STALL THIS, BUT I NEEDED MORE TRAINING. OKAY. NOW DON'T WE ALL? UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GARY. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR APPLICANT TEAMMATE. WE REFERENCED TO SMART COUNSELING IS TARGETING OR OFFERING. I'M SORRY. YOU BROKE UP AND I COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. OKAY. I'M SORRY. UM, SO YOU MADE REFERENCE TO THE SMART HOUSING. WHAT LEVEL OF BUY ARE YOU WILLING TO OFFER OR PUT ON THE TABLE FOR THIS PROJECT? IS IT 60%? 80%? 30%. I BELIEVE IT IS 80%, I BELIEVE IS THE FIRST FIVE UNITS. UM, MS. SHERRY, MR. ADDIS, IS THAT CORRECT? AS I UNDERSTAND, SMART, FIVE, FIVE UNITS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE AFFORDABLE AT NO MORE THAN 80%. IT COULD BE LOWER, BUT IT CAN'T BE HIGHER. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DANCLER QUESTION FOR STAFF. I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING IN THE BACKUP THAT INDICATES THAT THEY'VE APPLIED FOR HOUSING. UM, MR. RAY, THIS, ARE YOU AWARE OF AN APPLICATION TO THAT EFFECT AN APPLICATION FOR WHAT PLEASE? UH, IT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF, SIR, UH, FOR MR. WEIGHTNESS, UH, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO SMART HOUSING UNITS, BUT OUR BACKUP [00:25:01] DOESN'T, UM, HAVE AN APPLICATION. MAYBE I MISSED IT IN THE TEXT, BUT USUALLY WE GET BACK THAT INDICATES THEY'RE SMART HOUSING. SO I WAS CHECKING THE STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE CASE. THERE IS NO APPLICATION BEEN MADE YET. IF, IF, UM, IS JOHNNY AND PATTON DOES NOT APPROVE MULTIFAMILY THREE, THEN IT'S NOT LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO BUILD SMART HOUSING. OKAY. UM, THESE ARE IN FOOD, WE'VE DONE PRELIMINARY LOOKING AT ARCHITECTURE AND SITE PLANNING. CIVIL ENGINEERING HAS BEEN DONE. WE KNOW WHERE THE SEWER AND THE WEATHER IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, UNTIL WE HAVE A CLOSED ZONING, UM, THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO BE DONE. SO I THINK THE CHALLENGE I HAVE IS WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE COULD FEEL ETHICALLY APPROVED THE REZONING AND NOT HAVE ANY GUARANTEE THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. SO I'M SORRY, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN, I DON'T SEE THAT WE COULD CONDITION THAT. SO, UM, MAYBE AS PART OF EMOTION, WE SHOULD BE, UM, INDICATING IT'S BECAUSE OF OUR BELIEF THAT THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. I LOOKING FOR A LITTLE STAFF HELP HERE ON THE MOTION. SHERRY, WE CANNOT REQUIRE SMART HOUSING STANDARDS THEN CASE THIS WAS NOT A SMART HOUSING APPLICATION. OKAY. AND THE APPLICANT CAN OFFER TO DO IT PRIVATELY, BUT IT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN REQUIRE IN A STANDARD ZONING CASE. OKAY. CHAIR? YES. THIS IS DAVID KING. OH, GREAT. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YES, GO AHEAD, PLEASE. AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT LAST QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER DANCLER, UH, AND, AND, UH, IT'S UH, REGARDING THE SMART HOUSING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UH, UM, THIS, THIS IS NOT A SMART HOUSING APPLICATION, BUT IF THEY WERE TO DO IT, WHAT WAS THE LENGTH OF TIME? UH, WHAT WOULD THE INCOME RESTRICTED PERIOD BE ON? MY UNDERSTANDING IS FOR SMART HOUSING IT'S FIVE YEARS. SO IF IT WERE A SMART HOUSING APPLICATION, COULD STAFF VERIFY IF THAT, UH, AFFORDABILITY PERIOD IS FIVE YEARS, COMMISSIONER KING, THE STAFF DID NOT LOOK AT THIS CASE FOR SMART HOUSING BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A SMART HOUSING APPLICATION. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IF IT'S SMART HOUSING IT'S FIVE YEARS AND, UH, IF IT GETS TAX CREDITS, IT COULD BE LONGER THAN THAT. SO, UH, ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE AND SHARE. I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION IF I MAY, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT SHE, YES. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. YES. UM, I'M TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB OF MUTING. UM, DOES ANYBODY I'LL GET BACK TO YOU? I'LL SEE IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, AND THEN I'LL GET BACK TO THE DAVID. THANK YOU. HELLO CLARIFICATION. AND ONE RELATES TO WHAT COMMISSIONER KING WAS ASKING ABOUT. UM, I GOT, I APPRECIATE THIS COMING BACK. LET ME ASK A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. I THOUGHT THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT FROM ANDREW, I HAD A FAMILY ON THIS CASE. WE WERE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE MARRIAGE OF A OH NO, THAT WAS WRONG. NEVERMIND. THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU WROTE DOWN SCRIPTS, RIGHT? IF THAT COMES UP, YOU'RE WELCOME, RIGHT? YEAH. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THEIR SITE AND IT'S A UNIQUE SITE. IT'S I ALSO THINK THAT THE APPLICANT IS CLEARED JUST RECENTLY. CAUSE I KNOW I SAW IT. I WENT BY A MONTH AGO AND THERE'S A HOUSE ON IT. I WENT BACK A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. IT'S BEEN CLEARED. IT BACKS UP ON ONE OF OUR BETTER PLANNED AREAS. IT'S A, IT'S AT DUPLEXES ON ONE SIDE AND UH, UH, IT'S SORT OF AN INTERESTING AREA. I LIVE IN OAK FOREST, WHICH IS RIGHT BEHIND IT. AND UM, THE, UM, THE THING THAT I THINK BOTHERS ME THE MOST THAT'S ABOUT IT IS A SUITABLE SITE MOLD. I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM WITH MY HEAD, UH, AND THE TELCO A DRIVE THROUGH. SO I'M NOT BALDWIN. UH, AND IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE TELCO SIDE NEXT TO IT, IT'S ALL CUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROMISES, BUT THE TELCO A FACILITY ONLY ONLY TAKES ABOUT A FOURTH OR A THIRD OF THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW IF THE BACK IS DEVELOPABLE IN THE FUTURE. AND IF THIS WOULD SET A PRECEDENT FOR THAT, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT SHERRY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IN A MOMENT. UH, I THINK THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME AND IT'S NOT, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THE CASE YET IS THAT, UH, WE ALWAYS SEE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE [00:30:01] WE'RE APPROACHING PLANNING AND ZONING FROM A, UH, A BOGO BUSINESS SAYING, GOD, I WANT TO GET ONE EXTRA ART. UH, IN LOUISIANA, YOU HAD CALLED IT OWEN YET, BUT IT'S SOMETHING EXTRA. I DON'T SEE WHERE MF THREE IS A VALID REQUEST ON THIS SITE. THERE IS NO MF THREE WITHIN A MILE OF THIS SITE. THE ONLY REAL MUMBLE FAMILY ON JOLLYVILLE IN THIS AREA IS THE SHADOW, WHICH IS A VERY NICE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN SUDDENLY IT'S PUT IN PLACE, WHICH I WANT TO REMIND ALL OF MY FELLOW PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT WE HAVE SOME ELECTIONS COMING UP. UH, SO, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE SAID THAT THE BOTTOM LINE ON THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING ELSE, BUT IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS OF THE FISHERMEN, GET ON THERE. IT'S, IT'S LIKE YOU SHOULD HAVE A 0.7, EIGHT ACRE, UH, MS. TRUE WOOD. TO ME, IT'D BE A MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE ZONING DISTRICT. THE BOTTOM LINE, IT WOULD PRODUCE ABOUT 17 UNITS INSTEAD OF IF IT'S 20, 26, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UH, BUT IT WOULD BE A MORE COMPATIBLE. IT WOULD BE MORE, UH, A BETTER RELATED AS FAR AS THROUGH TRAFFIC IMPACT ON JOLLYVILLE. UH, AND IT WOULD NOT SET A BAD PRECEDENT. I THINK A LOT OF OUR CASES WHERE WE ADD THAT EXTRA MATH, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT WHAT THE REAL DANGER IS, WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT. CAUSE I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT FUTURE ADVOCATES AND STAFF ARE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, OH, YOU GOT THEM AT THREE, THEY'RE GIVING YOU AN MSP HERE. WHEN IT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MSV, IT SHOULD'VE BEEN SOMETHING LAST. I'M SORRY TO TAKE SO LONG ON THAT. BUT I WENT TO GET EVERYTHING OUT. I THINK THIS IS THE SITE THAT IS A PROFIT FROM ALL OF MY FAMILY. I'M GLAD THAT IT'S FINALLY GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. IT IS VERY ACCESSIBLE TO COMMERCIAL AS THE STAFF IS SET IT'S ACROSS THE STREET. UH, BUT, UH, I JUST THINK WE'RE TRYING TO STUFF THE HELL UP ON HIM DOING A DOG, A DOG HOUSE AND PUTTING TOO MANY UNITS IN ONE PLACE. SO I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ABOUT IT. SURE. MAY I FOLLOW UP HERE? COMMISSIONER KING? YES. AND COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. YOU WERE, YOU WERE READING MY MIND BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS HEADED WITH THIS. WHEN I LOOK AT, UH, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING, THEY WANT TO DO, IT'S ABOUT 20 UNITS ROUGHLY THERE. AND, UH, UH, GUESS WHAT IT SAYS UP TO 23 UNITS, SAYS UP TO 36 UNITS. AND SO ANYTIME THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU GIVE A ZONING CATEGORY THAT YOU'RE ENTITLED TO THIS HIGHER NUMBER, YOU ALWAYS TRY TO, AS COMMISSIONER DUNKIN SAYS, SQUEEZE AN ELEPHANT INTO A DOGHOUSE HERE. AND SO I THINK A MORE APPROPRIATE, UH, ZONING CATEGORY, AN MF TOO. CAUSE THAT'S MORE BECAUSE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT, WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TALKING ABOUT ANYWAY, 20, 20 UNITS, THEY ARE AT THIS SIDE. SO THAT SEEMS TO BE FIT THAT SEEMS TO FIT. AND SO, UM, THE, THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS COULD THE STAFF, UH, APPLICANT CLARIFY THE, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LIKE THREE BEDROOMS? ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE TWO BEDROOMS OR ARE THEY GOING TO BE THREE BEDROOMS? OR HOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, I DON'T THINK I CAN ASKED HER THAT QUESTION YET BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE DENSITY AND WHAT WILL FIT. OKAY. AND WITH, WITH THE AMOUNT OF DENSITY, WE'LL GET MORE UNITS. YOU WOULD PROBABLY GET ONE BEDROOMS, SOME, TWO BEDROOMS, AND A TYPICAL, I LIKE TO BUILD TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM FAMILIES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER TIME FOR A MOTION COMMISSIONER EVANS, WHAT IS THE HEIGHT LIMITATION VERSUS JERRY, CAN YOU ANSWER THAT FOR US? YES. SO THE HEIGHT LIMIT 40 FEET OR THREE STORIES. THE HEIGHT LIMIT ON MFC IS 40 FEET. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO HE CAN STILL BUILD WITH HIS PARKING UNDER AND, AND HIS TWO UNITS ARE TWO FLOORS ABOVE, BUT ALSO JUST A, JUST A SLIDE POINT. BUT REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND APPROVED IT AT OUR LAST MEETING. AND WHEN HE A NEIGHBORHOOD, A GENTLEMEN GAME CAME TO SPEAK AND WE FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS ON THE WRONG CASE WHEN HE CAME TO SPEAK, WE BROUGHT THIS CASE BACK ALIVE. SO JUST WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE? THE, UH, EVERYTHING LOOKED OKAY TWO WEEKS AGO AND NOW I'VE DONE. RAY HAD HIS HAND UP FIRST. SO GO AHEAD, MR. BRAY. ALRIGHT. UM, I GUESS I WOULD KIND [00:35:01] OF WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT, WHY HE'S APPLIED FOR MS. THREE INSTEAD OF MSU . THIS IS DAVID THE APPLICANT. I THINK MS. THREE IS APPROPRIATE MEDIUM DENSITY MULTIFAMILY. I BELIEVE MR. RAY, THIS REPORT COVERS THAT VERY CLEARLY. AND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUTTING 17 MINUTES THERE, 2040 MINUTES IS AFFORDABILITY. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. IT'S AFFORDABILITY. IT SPREADS THE LAND COST, THE SEWER COST OF WATER COSTS OVER MORE UNITS. THE SIDEWALK COST. COULD YOU GIVE A NUMBERS ESTIMATE ON THAT? I MEAN, MAYBE YOU CAN'T, BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY BALLPARK FIGURES ON WHAT YOU THINK THE DIFFERENCE MIGHT BE? I THINK THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MF MF THREE, LETS YOU PUT UP TO 50% IN YOUR UNIT UP TO 50% MORE UNITS. SO YOU'RE SPREADING THOSE COSTS, THOSE SIX COSTS, ALL THOSE THINGS DRIVE AWAY ACROSS MORE UNITS, BUT MAKE THEM AFFORDABLE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH. OKAY. UM, WOULD, WHAT OUT CAN BE TO APPROVE MF BREE, BUT RESTRICT THE NUMBER OF UNITS TO 26 AND THAT WOULD GET THE DELIMITATION DOWN THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND IT WOULD GET WOULD BE THERE. CAN'T GET THEIR AD UNITS, BUT WE CAN DO HIM AT THREE LIMIT NUMBER OF UNITS. THAT WILL BE AN OPTION TO DO MS. BREA AND LIMIT THE NUMBER OF UNITS. SORRY, YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION COMMISSIONER SMITH. I'M SURE I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE STAFF POSITIONS. 2016. OKAY. AND SECOND, MY COMMISSIONER EVANS. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, TO MF THREE, BUT A CONDITION TO ONLY ALLOW 26 UNITS. CORRECT. UNLESS SOMEONE HAS A BETTER NUMBER ONE OF THE 26TH, SO YEAH. OKAY. GREAT QUESTION. AND WHO SAID YEAH. OKAY. WHY DON'T I GO I'M ACTUALLY, UM, I WILL GO, OKAY. COMMISSIONER DUNKIN FIRST AND THEN I'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER KING. UH, OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, YOU'RE BASICALLY GIVING HIM WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR. YOU GUYS WERE PLAYING A NUMBER OF SPEEDING. DMS THREE IS A 36 UNITS PER ACRE. HE DOESN'T HAVE A NAME FOR IT. HE HAS POINTS SEVEN, EIGHT OF AN ACRE, WHICH ACTUALLY RATCHETED THEM SET OUT TO 28 UNITS SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THAT ZONING AND LIMIT IT TO 28. I'M TALKING ABOUT TWO UNITS. I JUST DON'T GET CONFUSED BY NUMBERS ON THAT. I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT COMMISSIONER CHANGE APPROACH. AGAIN, THIS WAS A PLACE WHERE FAMILY SIZE UNITS WOULD BE PERFECT. I KNOW THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS AROUND HERE AND THEY HAVE CAPACITY, UH, AND THE LOWER, THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THE BIGGER THE UNITS ARE GONNA BE. HE'S STILL GONNA MAKE MONEY. HE'S JUST GONNA BUILD MORE THREE BEDROOM. THEY EVEN SAID THAT HIMSELF YOU'LL GIVE THE HIGHER ON THAT ARE GOING TO BE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM AND STUDIO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND MS. UH, AND BLESS THEM TO BUILD THEM AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE NEED MORE HOUSING OUT IN THE SECOND EMOTION. THIS IS COMMISSIONER KINGO SECOND. THE MOTION. OKAY. MOTION, A SUBSTITUTE MOTION FOR , UH, MADE BY COMMISSIONER ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR UM, AND IF NOT, WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING, SECOND DUNCAN FOR MF TWO ZONING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THEIR FACE. SO I'M KATIE JOLENE. HOW EMOTIONS I HAD THE MOTION BEING BY BENEFIT AND SECOND BY KEY. OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. YES. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND I'LL COUNT OUT YOUR NAMES. COMMISSIONER TENDON COMMISSIONER DINKLER COMMISSIONER GEARY, COMMISSIONER DUNK, UH, DANK DUNCAN COMMISSIONER. KOBASA IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE'S HANDS I'M MISSING. OKAY. THEN THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. COMMISSIONER RAY COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER RIVER RAMIREZ AND COMMISSIONER BRAY AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. AND SO I DID IS THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THAT'S A FIVE, FIVE STANDOFF. OKAY. SO THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS AND NOW WE'LL VOTE ON THE, THE ORIGINAL MOTION FOR AND LIMITED TO 26 BY COMMISSIONER SMITH [00:40:01] AND, AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EVANS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF WITH THE LIMIT ON 26, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS COMMISSIONER QUESTION. AND THAT'S BEFORE THAT, UM, I KNOW WE'RE LIMITING IT TO 26 UNITS. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ON WHAT ARE WE, WHY DON'T WE FINISH THIS VOTE? CAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. SO IF EVERY COMMISSIONER AT KAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER BURRELL, RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER, BRAY, COMMISSIONER RAY, AND COMMISSIONER EVANS, ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND THEN WE'LL JUST START WITH THIS CLEAN SLATE. AND THAT IS KING DANCLER A GARY DUNCAN AND KOBASA OKAY. NOW, UM, WE CAN DO ANOTHER MOTION AND UM, TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE WHAT'S WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO? BUT GET A RESOLUTION ON THIS SILENCE AND IT'S NOT, THEN WE CAN JUST GUIDE ON WHAT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TWO AND THREE KIND OF SEE I CAN ANSWER THAT. WE WANT INFORMATION. HI. YES, THANKS. OKAY. SO I WAS WE TO KNOW THE HIGHEST REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN TWO AND THREE ARE BOTH 40 FEET. UH, THE SETBACKS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME. THE DIFFERENCE COMES IN AND IMPERVIOUS COVER AND THAT'S TO A ZONING DISTRICT HAS 50% IN IS KIND OF A 55 AND IN BUILDING COVERAGE, IT'S 60 FOR AND 65 FOR MS. THREE. AND THE TWO DOES NOT HAVE A MAXIMUM FOUR TO AREA RATIO DESIGNATION, AND THAT'S THREE HAS 0.75 TO ONE. SO THOSE ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO SPEAK, I JUST HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR SHERRY. IS THERE ANYTHING RELATING TO THE SIZE OF THE UNITS? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE A CERTAIN SIZE? NO, THAT DEPENDS ON THE UNIT ITSELF, WHETHER IT'S ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE AND A HALF. OKAY. COULD YOU ASK THAT AGAIN? COMMISSIONER DENCKLA FOR IT JUST GARBLED, JUST THE SIZE OF THE UNITS, DIFFERENT IN MF TO AN MF THREE. UM, I KNEW IT WAS FOR MF THROWING AN MF FLOOR. SO IS THERE A SIZE DIFFERENCE? YOU SAID IT WAS RELATING TO BEDROOMS. SO WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE UNIT FOR ONE BEDROOM AND A TWO BEDROOM AND MF TWO VERSUS MFC. WELL, I'D HAVE TO PULL THE CODE REQUIREMENTS. I PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT CARES. SO ALL GO THROUGH ALL THE QUESTION. OKAY. IS THERE GOING TO BE AN ATTEMPTED ANOTHER MOTION? YES. MY MOTION IS SIMPLY THAT WE APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. OKAY. GREAT APPROVAL IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF FOR . IS THERE A SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BRAY? MMM. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF MF THREE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER BERRERA RAMIREZ COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER EVANS, AND COMMISSIONER RAY, AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED. AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER KING, COMMISSIONER HANNAH. I MEAN COMMISSIONER DANGLER, COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, AND ANOTHER FIVE FIVE. AND UNLESS WE THINK WE HAVE, WE CAN COME TO SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CALL IT A NO RECOMMENDATION GOING ON TO COUNCIL. UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS ANOTHER IDEA, I GUESS MY POINT I'M KIND OF CURIOUS ON THE FAR, UM, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. [00:45:01] UM, AND IF OUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WELL THE UNIT, THE UNIT COUNT AND ALSO THE FAR, AND I'M WONDERING IS IF YOU DID MF TWO, IF YOU WOULD REALLY GET BIGGER UNITS, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE, UM, IF THEY LIKE ACTUALLY MAYBE I KINDA CONFUSED ON THAT, WHICH ONE TWICE, BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE NO, IS IT, THE MF ALLOWS SLIGHTLY MORE DEVELOPMENT THAT MIGHT ACCOUNT FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKE THE PER THE UNIT SIZE, UM, NOT AS BIG OF A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS JUST LIKE DIVIDING IT BY THE UNIT ACCOUNT. THAT MAKES SENSE. UH, SO I ASSUME THAT'S A QUESTION FOR US, I GUESS I'M JUST KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKING A POINT, YOU KNOW, MY, MY OBSERVATION AND MAYBE SOMEONE KNOWS BETTER THAN I DO. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A QUESTION, BUT JUST A COMMENT THAT SOMEONE CAN, IF SOMEONE HAS A RESPONSE TO, THEY CAN MAKE . OKAY. SO I CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION BETWEEN AND AT, AS FAR AS THE, THE SIZE OF THE BEDROOM, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE. SO I HAD, OKAY, SO FOR MS TO THE MINIMUM SITE AREA FOR A EFFICIENCIES WELLING UNIT IS 1600 FEET MINIMUM SIDE AREA FOR A ONE BEDROOM DWELLING UNIT WILL BE 12, A 2000 MINIMUM SQUARE FEET FOR A TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS WOULD BE 2,400 SQUARE FEET. WHEN YOU GET TO . THE MINIMUM SIDE AREAS FOR A DWELLING UNIT, AGAIN IS 1,200 SQUARE FEET FOR A ONE BEDROOM IS 1,500 SQUARE FEET. AND FOR A TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS, WELLING UNIT WOULD BE 1,800 SQUARE FEET SO YOU CAN DO SMALLER SIZES UNDER MF THREE . OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. SO CHAIR, WOULD THAT INFORMATION IN MIND? MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? UM, OH, GO AHEAD. SO WOULD THAT INFORMATION MIND AND FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET SOME FAMILIES WITH KIDS IN THIS AREA HERE, I THINK THIS, THIS KIND OF HELPS TO JUSTIFY WHY EMF TWO WOULD ACTUALLY BE A BETTER, BETTER ZONING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO THROW OUT THE MOTION FOR , UM, UH, RESTRICTED TO 26 UNITS. YOU HAD THAT BACKWARDS IN THAT TWO, THREE WILL ENCOURAGE WAIT, WAIT. SO W WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THOUGHT THAT SHERRY SAID THAT WE YOU'D GET SMALLER UNITS. THAT'S THE REASON THERE'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF SIDE AREA REQUIRED FOR A GIVEN UNIT SIZE. I SEE. SO I GOT IT NOW. OKAY. I'M WITH YOU. SO THIS MEANS IT'S, IT'S I'M WITH YOU NOW. SO I, I HEAR YOU. SO YOU'RE HAVING TO USE MORE OF THE, UH, MORE OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LESS SPACE FOR THE APARTMENT AT THE UNIT ITSELF. YEAH. I GOT YOU WHERE YOU CAN ACHIEVE YOUR GOAL IF YOU'RE BOTH FOR OUR EMOTIONS. YES. COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. UM, OH, WELL, YEAH. WELL, I'M IT. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER, BUT, UH, IF, IF WE WANT LARGER UNITS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SMALLER DANCER. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S JUST AN ECONOMIC TYPE ISSUE. UH, BUT I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH SENDING JUST THE COUNCIL WITH A FIVE. UH, UH, THERE ARE ARGUMENTS BOTH WAYS, BUT I THINK THAT COMPETITIVE TO CALL IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. IT'S ADJACENT TO DUPLEXES, UH, AND, UH, UH, WE HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS IN THIS AREA, A BIG PORTION OF THE TRACK NEXT TO IT IS DRAINAGE. SO A PERVIOUS AREA IS IMPORTANT, UH, AND IT'S A WELL-TREATED AREA. SO I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE SITES I WILL SUPPORT HIGHER DENSITY IN THE RIGHT PLACE, BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, THE SURROUNDING DENSITIES, UH, THE DRAINAGE NATURE OF THE AREA. WE HAD ABOUT TWO BLOCKS FROM HERE TO HOMES THAT WERE TOTALLY FLOODED A FEW YEARS AGO AND THE CITY HAD TO BUY, OKAY. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT PLAYING GAMES. IT'S NOT AS BAD AS NOW IN YOUR AREA, COMMISSIONER, GARY, BUT WE HAVE PROBLEMS UP HERE AS WELL. UH, SO I JUST THINK WE OUGHT TO STOP PLAYING THE NUMBERS GAME, WHICH IS CONFUSING. I JUST CAN'T GET TO VOTE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT TO BREAK A FIVE, FIVE VOTE DESIGN. WE'VE GOT FIVE OF US THAT WANNA PUSH THE DENSITY AND FIVE OTHERS, AND I'M WORKING CENTERED ABOUT [00:50:01] HOW IT FITS INTO THE COMMUNITY. SO I THINK WE WANT TO JUST MOVE FORWARD AND COUNCIL IN THEIR WISDOM WITH ALL THIS. THIS IS LIKE THE APPLICANT DAVID SAYS, CAN I SPEAK? YEAH, YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD. HE MIGHT AS WELL. NOW WE HAVE CLOSE TO HEARING. I'M SORRY. I'M GOING TO SAY NOW THE PARLIAMENTARIAN HAS SPOKEN UNLESS, BUT CAN I SAY UNLESS YOU'RE OFFERING SOMETHING, UM, LET'S, UH, LET'S SAY, UM, LET'S HAVE MR. SPAN SPEAK. I MEAN, WE'RE SORT OF, WE ARE SORT OF DEADLOCKED IF HE CAN DO SOMETHING TO PUSH US. GO AHEAD. SO I GUESS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS, YOU KNOW, AT AND T WOULD ALLOW 17 UNITS UP TO 17 AND THAT THREE WOULD ALLOW UP TO 28, THEN WAS ONE PROPOSAL FOR 26. UM, I'M PROPOSING YOU SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE AIR AT 23 UNITS, THREE UNITS, IF YOU LIKE. UM, AND IT GIVES ME MORE UNITS TO SPREAD THOSE FIXED COSTS OVER. I'M SURE THERE'LL BE SOME THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATHROOM UNITS THERE, AND THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SOMEONE BUY THE UNITS THERE. AND ALL OF THOSE HOUSING TYPES ARE NEEDED AND LOST HIM HAVING A UNIFORM. I SAID 22 OR 23, I'M KIND OF SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 17 OF . I THINK THAT'S WHEN TWO AND A HALF. SO THIS LAST CHANCE, IF ANYBODY'S WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION LIKE THAT, AND IF NOT, WE CAN JUST GO ONTO THE NEXT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR 24 UNITS. CAN WE HAVE THREE? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. UM, SO, MM THREE WITH THE LIMIT OF 24 UNITS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER SMITH, EVANS, BRAY, RAY, AND MARIA RAMIREZ, AND ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER DINKLER, UH, REVIEW DUNKIN AND ME. SO WE'RE, THAT WAS IT. I THINK I'M GOING TO CALL IT A DAY ON THAT AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. SPATZ, AND WE WILL GO ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, BUT THANK YOU EVERYBODY ALSO FOR TRYING TO WORK OUT SOMETHING HOUSING APPLICATION. OKAY. SO, SO, AND SO THAT'LL GO WITH THAT. SO GOING [Item B2] TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS B TWO, I BELIEVE, AND I HAVE, UM, AND THAT IS THE REZONING, UM, SH HEY, SHERRY OR SHERRY SERRATUS IS BACK ON AGAIN. THIS IS ITEM B2, WHICH IS KC 14, 20, 20 ZERO, ZERO. IT'S LOCATED AT ONE, 1-833-BUCKNER ROAD. THE REQUEST IS FROM THREE ZONING TO GR ZONING. THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR GR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS A 1.3, THREE ACRE VACANT TRACT OF LAND THAT IS LOCATED ON BUCKNER ROAD. A LOCAL ROADWAY. THE PROPERTIES IN NORTH ACROSS BUCKNER ROAD IS UNDEVELOPED AND ZONED WITH DR. DEVELOPMENT RESERVE. THE TRACK TO THE SOUTH IS IN VR AND CONTAINS A MANUFACTURED HOME AND THEN DEVELOPED LAND. THE PROPERTIES TO THE WEST ARE ALSO ZONE D ARE UNDER DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. THE ATTRACTIVE LAND DIRECTLY TO THE EAST IS ZONED TO SF THREE AND CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH STORAGE FURTHER TO THE EAST. SO ALONG BUTNER ROAD, THERE IS A LOT BEND ELLA OCO. IT WAS DONE IN A CASE THAT IN 2008, THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH AN OFFICE USE FOR TIME WARNER OR SPECTRUM CABLE. IN THIS REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO REZONE THE SITE UNDER CONSIDERATION TO THE GR DISTRICT TO DEVELOP AN AUTOMOTIVE SALES USE AT THIS LOCATION, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS OWNING THE PROPERTY DOES NOT MEET THE GR DISTRICT AS IT IS NOT LOCATED ON A MAJOR ROADWAY WHILE THE STAFF HAS SUPPORTED SOME COMMERCIAL USES AND ZONING ALONG BUCKNER ROAD. THOSE TRACKS OF LAND WERE LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF BUCKNER ROAD AND FM SIX 20. THE PROPOSED YOUR COMMERCIAL ZONING REQUEST IS LOCATED ON A DESIGNATED SINGLE FAMILY TRACK NEAR THE TERMINUS OF BUCKNER ROAD, A NARROW 20 FOOT LOCAL ROADWAY. THE PROPERTY. IN QUESTION, IF THAT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS ADJACENT TO A CREEK OR AUTOMOTIVE USES WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE. [00:55:01] THE EXISTING THREE ZONING PROVIDES FOR A TRANSITION FROM THE COMMERCIAL ZONING AT THE INTERSECTION OF AND BUCKNER ROAD TO THE OFFICE, ZONING DOWN TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ALONG BUTNER ROAD, AS IT REACHES ITS TERMINUS TO THE WEST. THE BASIS FOR THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THIS FOLLOWS. THE PROPOSED SETTING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE PERSON PURPOSE STATEMENT. AS THE DISTRICT SOUGHT DID. HERE IS ANY DISTRICT IS DESCRIBED BY THE CODE AS COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL USES SERVING NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMERCIAL AND COMMUNITY NEEDS, INCLUDING THOSE UNIFIED SHOPPING CENTERS AND INDIVIDUALLY, INDIVIDUALLY DEVELOPED COMMERCIAL SITES THAT ARE TYPICALLY REQUIRING LOCATIONS ACCESSIBLE FROM MAJOR TRAFFIC WAYS. THE EXISTING SF THREE SINGLE FAMILY OR FAMILY RESIDENCE DISTRICT IS THE DESIGNATION FOR A MODERATE DENSITY. SINGLE FAMILY. RESIDENTIAL USES SUCH AS A DUPLEX ON A LOT. THAT'S A MINIMUM OF 5,750 SQUARE FEET. AND AS THREE DISTRICT DESIGNATION MAY BE APPLIED TO YOUTH IN AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MODERATELY FIVE LOTS. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON A 20 FOOT WIDE LOCAL COLLECTOR ROADWAY, WHERE IT IS DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE CURRENT ZONING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING, AND HE SAYS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY, THE PROPOSED SHOULD PROMOTE CONSISTENCY IN ORDERLY PLANNING. BUCKNER ROAD HAS A MIXTURE OF USES FROM SINGLE FAMILY OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE AND STORAGE AND AUTOMOTIVE USES. HOWEVER, THE COMMERCIAL USES ARE LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF FM SIX 20 ROAD. THE STAFF HAS CONSISTENTLY RECOMMENDED GR ZONING TO ADEPT AT 500 FEET ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF FM SIX 20 PERMITTING GR ZONING AT THIS LOCATION WILL INTRODUCE COMMERCIAL USES ON ATTRACTIVE LAND THAT IS LOCATED IN AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA WITH LOW VISIBILITY ON A SMALL LOCAL ROADWAY. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS MAINTAINING THIS. THE THREE ZONINGS PROVIDE A TRANSITION ON THIS ROADWAY. THE PROPOSED ZONING SHOULD ALLOW FOR A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY. GIVEN THE MIXED USE CHARACTER OF THE AREA. THIS STAFF BELIEVES THAT SF THREE ZONING WILL ALLOW FOR A FAIR AND REASONABLE USE OF THIS SITE. THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH SOUTH AND WEST AND EAST ARE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY. RESIDENTIAL USES THAT WERE VERIFIED BY T CAB PROPERTY RECORDS. THE STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE RECOMMENDED ZONING DESIGNATION IN THE CODE IN THE CODE REWRITE. AND THIS PROPERTY IS LOOKED TO BE DESIGNATED AS OUR TWO A WHICH EQUATES WITH . THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH SOUTH EAST AND WEST ARE SHOWING AN AF 25 DESIGNATION TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING DR. DEVELOPMENT RESERVE CATEGORY. THE APPLICANT DOES NOT AGREE WITH THIS FAST RECOMMENDATION, AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT, UM, RAMEEN AS A VARI AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. HI STAFF, UM, BASICALLY TO START OUT THIS AREA IS ZONED FOR VR, BUT THEN TRY TO SHOOT. AND BY ANY STANDARD YOU GO BY, IT'S ALREADY BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET THAT IS OWNED BY BUDGET LEASING. THAT IS A VOLVO DEALERSHIP GOING THERE FROM MAJORITY PART OF IT. IF YOU MEASURE THAT STREET, IT IS 0.3 OF AN ACRE. AND LET ME PUT THREE OF A MILE. THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES COME OUT TO ALMOST 0.1 TO NINE OF THE ROADWAY. THAT MEANS IT IS THE MAJORITY OF THE ROADWAY IS BEING USED BY AUTO MECHANICS SHOP SUCH AS, UM, DURING AUTOMOTIVE, UM, UH, AND TWO OF THE DEALERSHIPS AND THEN ANOTHER MECHANIC SHOP PLUS THE VOLVO DEALERSHIP THAT IS GOING RIGHT ACROSS THE ROADWAY, THE PROPERTY THAT IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE ONE, ONE EIGHT, TWO NINE IS BEING ADVERTISED RIGHT NOW, ALL LOOPNET AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO BE LEASED AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THE PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF MY PROPERTY. IT IS, IT IS AN AC COMPANY BY THE NAME OF KENDRA SERVICES AT ONE, TWO ZERO ONE BUCKNER ROAD. THEN THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR TO THAT IS ONE, TWO ZERO ONE FOR THE GEO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES BEING USED AS A COMMERCIAL THAT IS MICHAEL HANEY, UM, CABINET MAKING COMPANY, [01:00:01] WHICH I HAVE SUBMITTED ALL OF THESE PROOFS WITH THEM. YOU CAN SEE IT ON, UM, BASICALLY ON MY, MY, UM, ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT. IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE ONE, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WITH THE CAT NUMBERS, WITH THE TRAVIS COUNTY CAT NUMBERS ON THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT, GOING DOWN, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EVERY PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY'RE BEING USED FOR. UM, INCLUDING THE VOLVO DEALERSHIP, AUTO SALES PLACED ALL THE SERVICE SPACE AND EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE BEHIND ME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE, THE ONLY ONE THAT IS NOT BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL IS THE ONLY PROPERTY ON THAT ROAD THAT IS NOT BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL AND, AND ON THE SOUTH SOUTH EAST AND SOUTHWEST OF IT IS J AND J S, WHICH ARE CONSISTENT OF MOSTLY THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT ON, ON MY, MY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE TWO, UM, PAGE THREE EXHIBIT IS COVERING IT. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IT'S MOSTLY AUTO SALES, UM, TIRE SHOP, UM, MECHANIC SHOP WOLF HEAD SHOP, WHICH IS AN ENGINE REBUILDING COMPANY, AUTOMOTIVE, WHICH IS THE AUTO SALES AND, UH, AND A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IN ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER BODY SHOP CALLED CAPITAL AND, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. UM, MOST OF THIS AREA, IT IS ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT'S ALREADY ALL BEING USED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. IF YOU LOOK AT, IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DECREASE THAT IS BACK THERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP ON PAGE SEVEN OF MY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU WILL SEE THAT J S IT SAYS JS AT THE CORNER IS JUST THIS CLOSE TO THE CREEK THAT ARE MAINLY AUTO SERVICE. AND ALL THE SALES IN THIS PLACE IS AS IT IS MY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. UM, AND ALSO IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, I MEAN, YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT ON PAGE EIGHT AS WELL OF JS, BECAUSE THAT IS ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT GOT LETTERS TO PUT AN INPUT ABOUT THIS REZONING. AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ON PAGE EIGHT OF IT THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP, ALL THE CARS THAT ARE SO CLOSE TO THE, UM, TO THE CREEK THAT IS BACK THERE. AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THE AC COMPANY THAT IS DOING BUSINESS AS KENDRICK AC SERVICES, WHERE THEY HAVE FREON. THAT IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT AC COMPANIES USE AND THE CABINET MAKING BUSINESS THAT IS LITERALLY NEXT DOOR TO ME, AND IS REGISTERED. AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT IF YOU COME DOWN TO YOU GET TO SEE THE PROOF OF THAT IN PAGE 13, ONE, TWO ZERO TWO FIVE, YOU WILL SEE THE SHOP THAT IS NEXT DOOR TO MY PROPERTY, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE ALL THEIR, UM, THEIR VAN, BUT THEY DO THE CABINET THING. THEY, YOU CAN SEE IT ON PAGE 14, THE, UM, WITH THE TRUCK THAT THEY HAUL EVERYTHING OUT AND IN FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY, YOU WILL GET TO SEE THE TRASH THAT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THEY USING IT AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. AND AS YOU COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON MY DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE ADDED, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE, UM, THE ONE, ONE, ONE THAT IS THE AC COMPANY. AND ON PAGE 20 OF MY DOCUMENTS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE NYCLA, HANEY, WOODWORKS WITH THE REGISTERED BUSINESS INFORMATION, THEIR ADDRESS NUMBER AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THE FACEBOOK PAGE, WHICH IS ON PAGE 23. AND THEN ON PAGE 25 IS THE REST OF THE PAGE FACEBOOK PAGE ON PAGE 26, YOU WILL SEE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS ANOTHER COMMERCIAL COMPANY THAT IS PAST MY PROPERTY ON BUCKNER ROAD. AND THEN ON PAGE 20, NO, NO, SORRY. ON PAGE ON PAGE. RIGHT? I LOST, YEAH, THAT, THAT WAS YOUR SIX MINUTES, BUT YOU WILL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK IN REBUTTAL ALSO. AND ACTUALLY YOU ONLY HAVE SOMEBODY SIGNED UP. THERE'S ONLY SOMEBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE PERSON SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, ALTHOUGH I IS JOHN SHEILA. THAT IS CORRECT. I'M ON HERE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY. [01:05:01] UM, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE MYSELF, UH, FOR AN EXCESS OF 25 YEARS, ACTUALLY GOING ON 30. AND, UH, A LOT OF THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALONG THERE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN THERE, UH, DURING AUTOMOTIVE, UH, THE PLACE THAT WAS DIRECTLY BEHIND THERE, WHICH WAS THE GLASS PEOPLE, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE NEXT TO THEM, WHICH WERE AUTOMOTIVE AS WELL. UH, THE GUY THAT HAS THE SHOP BACK IN THERE, HE HASN'T BEEN THERE THAT LONG. HE'S BEEN THERE PROBABLY MORE LIKE 10 YEARS. UM, BUT, UH, I'VE SEEN THAT AREA DEVELOP FOR QUITE SOME TIME. AND I'VE BEEN AWARE OF THE, UM, UH, THE CABINET SHOP FROM THE DAY THAT HE MOVED IN DOWN THERE. UM, HE MOVED IN THERE AND SPECIFICALLY WAS, UH, DOING KEVIN'S BACK THEN. SO FROM THE TIME THAT HE MOVED IN, UNTIL THE TIME AT PRESENT, THEY, THEY DO CABINETS. THEY'RE THE SAME THING WITH, UH, KENDRA BACK THERE WAS THERE A HPAC, UH, COMPANY, AND I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY'S BUSINESS AT ALL. I'M JUST SIMPLY SAYING THAT, UH, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY STATED IS NOT CORRECT. THERE IS NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL OVER THERE ON THAT SIDE NOW ON THE OUTER RACY SIDE, WHICH IS JAZZ TOO LIMITED THAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE I EVER EVEN SHOWED UP, AL HAD THAT, UH, UP AND RUNNING 30 SOME ODD YEARS AGO. SO YES, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF COMMERCIAL IN THAT GENERAL AREA THERE. IT'S NOT SAYING THE FUTURE THINGS WON'T CHANGE JUST LIKE THEY HAVE UP AND DOWN THAT WHOLE STRETCH. WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN OVER THERE, ALL THERE WAS, WAS THE SEVEN 11 ON THE ONE END AND THE SET 11 ON THE OTHER END UP THERE. AND THEN EVENTUALLY THE CHURCH AND THE OTHER PROPERTY CAME INTO PLACE ACROSS THE WAY. AND SO THAT WHOLE AREA IS CONSISTENTLY BUILDING AT THIS POINT IN TIME AND CHANGING WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT WITH A BIG VOLVO DEALERSHIP GOING UP THERE ON THAT CORNER, I BELIEVE THEY HAD THAT WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY GOING ALL THE WAY BACK DOWN TO THAT BACKSIDE WHERE REMAINS APP AND, UH, BEEN A DEALERSHIP. THEY'LL CERTAINLY USE EVERYTHING. THEY GOT TO MAKE THAT WORK. UM, I WOULD SUGGEST TAKING A GOOD, HARD LOOK AT THAT WHOLE STREET. AND, UH, IT'D BE ZONED AS DR. UM, I'D SAY THAT STREET'S FAR FROM BEING A DR. UH, STYLE PROPERTY. I'VE BEEN A CONTRACTOR BUILDER MY WHOLE LIFE, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF STUFF IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE HARRIS MANSION. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH VIC ROSELLE STUFF. WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF STUFF FOR YOU GUYS AS WELL. YEAH. ZILKER PARK. SO I, UH, I DIDN'T KNOW MY WAY AROUND. AND, UH, IF THIS IS ACTUALLY A STREET CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL, I SAY ANY, TAKE A SECOND LOOK. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MR. RAMEEN IS RIVERA. WELL, THERE'S NOBODY HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST, SO THE APPLICANT YOU CAN SPEAK, UM, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL. BASICALLY THIS, LIKE JOHN SAID, THIS IS THE REASON I BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY IS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I'M A SMALL BUSINESS. I CANNOT AFFORD TO GO BUY, ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CORONA, BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, I PUT ALL MY SAVINGS IN IT. AND AS SOON AS I MOVED IN, I'VE HAD NOTHING BUT TROUBLE BY THESE NEIGHBORS THAT I'VE HACKED. AND I PUT ALL MY MONEY AND ALL MY SAVINGS INTO THAT PROPERTY. I CAN NOT AFFORD TO GO BUY A PROPERTY ON SIX 20 OR ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE MAIN ROAD, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE. I'M A SMALL BUSINESS. I CAN AFFORD SOMETHING THAT EXPENSIVE, BUT EVERYTHING ON THAT STREET FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END, TO EVEN THE PROPERTY NICHE STORE, THAT THERE'S MORE THAN A CABLE THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED AS RESIDENTIAL. IT IS NOT BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL. IT WAS BEFORE THAT WAS USED AS A COMMERCIAL AUTO REPAIR PLACE. AND ALL OF IT, EVEN RIGHT NOW, IT'S ON AVOCADOS ON LOOP IT AS AN OFFICE, COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND BUDGET LEASING OWNS THAT PROPERTY. THAT VOLVO IS GOING IN AND HE'S COMING ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK OF IT. AND THEY'RE PLANNING. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NOT DEVELOP THE BACK PART OF THE LOT. AND ALL OF IT IS BECOMING COMMERCIAL. AND EVEN AFTER MY PROPERTY, EVERYTHING OUT THERE IS ALREADY COMMERCIAL AND IS BEING USED. THIS COMMERCIAL, YOU GUYS MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND YOU GUYS MIGHT NOT BE AWARE OF IT, BUT THAT ENTIRE STREET IS BEING USED FOR COMMERCIAL. YOU CAN CALL THE ZONING, WHATEVER YOU LIKE, BUT THEN [01:10:01] PEOPLE ARE USING IT AS A COMMERCIAL. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO USE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT YOU AND THE REST OF THOSE PEOPLE, I'M GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS TO TRY TO GET THE ZONING DONE. SO I CAN DO MY BUSINESS PROPERTY WHERE THE REST OF THEM ARE JUST DOING IT WITHOUT ANY ZONING, WITHOUT ANY PERMITTING. THEY'RE JUST DOING IT UNTIL THEY GET CAUGHT AND THAT THE AC COMPANY AND THAT CABINET MAKING COMPANY, THEY ARE ALSO CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AS WELL. BUT THE ONE THING ABOUT THEM, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS TO GET THIS DONE, I'M BEING IN THE CITY IS GOING AGAINST ME BECAUSE OF IT, WHICH MAKES IT WHERE THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN WITH THINK TWICE BEFORE GOING THROUGH THE CITY AND GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNEL. AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DO WHAT THE REST OF THESE GUYS ARE DOING BACK. THEY'RE JUST DOING EVERYTHING THEY WANT WITHOUT ANY PRIME IT IN, WITHOUT ANY CITY ORDINANCES, WITHOUT GETTING ANY KIND OF PERMITTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THEN THE REASONING. AND THERE WAS EVEN YOUNG PROPERTY THAT IS LIKE, BECAUSE THE SEAT IS NOT THAT WELL FOR ME. AND THAT IS ALSO WAS THIS, WHICH, WHICH YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ON THE SUPPLEMENTS THAT I'VE ADDED TO IT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER KING, I BELIEVE. AND YES. AND WHO'S SECONDING THE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONER, GARY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. AND, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, IT IS COMMISSIONER SMITH, EVANS DUNCAN, A GARY KING, RAY AND BARET AND COMMISSIONERS. UH DINKLER AND BERERRA RAMIREZ ARE, UM, ABSENT FOR THIS VOTE, SO, OKAY. HI, I'M HERE. I'VE JUST LOST. OH, OKAY. WE, YEAH, WE CANNOT SEE YOU. UM, OKAY. SO COMMISSIONER DID VOTE. YES. AND COMMISSIONER BURRELL, WHEREVER RAMIREZ, ARE YOU HERE OR NOT? I HAD TO, UM, DEAL WITH THE BABY, SO I DIDN'T HEAR THE MOTION. SO I'M NOT HERE WHERE I'M ABSTAINING. OKAY. WHAT WAS THE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OH, YES. OKAY. I CAN CLOSE IT. YES. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. SO WE'VE GOT EVERYBODY ON BOARD, SO, OKAY. AND, UM, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO START WITH A MOTION OR AN OBSERVATION COMMISSIONER KING? YES. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOUD JUST GOING TO START OFF BY SAYING, UH, IN OUR LAST CASE, I'M NOT GOING TO REFERENCE THE DETAILS OF THE LAST CASE WE'RE DONE WITH IT, BUT A COMMENT WAS MADE ABOUT WHY WAS THE COMMISSION INCLINED TO DO IT ON CONSENT? AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE'RE INCLINED TO DISCUSS IT. WELL, TO ME, THE POINT IS, IS THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE PUBLIC WHEN WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC THAT CAN CERTAINLY INFORM US AND, AND, AND, AND, AND RESULT IN A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, THEN NOT HAVING THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. SO I THINK PUBLIC COMMENT IS ESSENTIAL ON THESE CASES. AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF STAFF COULD CLARIFY ABOUT, UH, THE, THE, UH, APPLICANT HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMING IN AND FOLLOWING THE PROCESS AND FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURES AND APPLYING FOR ZONING. BUT I WOULDN'T, I UNDERSTAND FROM THE BACKUP THAT THERE WAS SOME ISSUE WITH THIS, WITH THIS PARTICULAR SITE, CAN STAFF RE UH, JUST UPDATE US ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH THIS SITE? I THINK THERE WAS SOME KIND OF AN ENVIRONMENTAL CODE VIOLATION, UH, COULD STAFF MAYBE ADDRESS THAT AND TELL US ABOUT THAT AND WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT ISSUE IS? YES. COMMISSIONER KING, UM, UNDER YOUR ISSUE SECTION ON PAGE TWO OF YOUR REPORT, THERE WAS A ENVIRONMENTAL CODE VIOLATION THAT WAS REGISTERED BY THE CODE DEPARTMENT, AND IT IS CURRENTLY A RED TAG THAT IS ACTIVE ON THE PROPERTY FOR CLEARING OF THE SITE WITHOUT PERMITS. OKAY. AND AS A FOLLOWUP TO THAT, UH, THIS IS, THIS IS MR. WADE, IS, IS THAT CORRECT? SHERRY'S IS HIS ISSUE. THANK YOU, SHERRY. AND, UH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS ISSUE IS, IS IT ASSOCIATED WITH THE CURRENT APPLICANT, THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER? YES. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DUNCAN MADE SURE I HAD JUST HAD A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS. UM, THIS SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE CASES THAT I'VE COMMENTED ON BEFORE, WHERE THE GENTLEMAN WAS. RIGHT. I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS REALLY DROPPED THE BALL IN THIS AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE LEARNED [01:15:02] A LOT, BUT THEY HAD MIXTURE OF ZONING ON THE STREET. I MEAN, THIS AREA OBVIOUSLY HAS NEVER HAD ANY PLANNING. ALRIGHT. IT'S WITH SF TWO GOES TO GR THEN DOWN SF TO THE DVR AS IT LOCO LOC, UH, UH, DR. ALSACE THREE. I MEAN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PATTERN. THERE'S NO LOGICAL PATTERN ON THIS. AND I, I SUPPOSE I WAS WITH THE APPLICANT AND YES, I THINK IT'S SF THREE MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE, IS THE RIGHT APPROPRIATE DENSITY LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL USE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HANDLE THIS CASE TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE EXAMPLE OF, I'VE SAID THIS MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE, WHY DON'T WE GO IN AND CLEAN THE WHOLE AREA UP ZONING WISE? OKAY. CAUSE IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT TWO DEALERS, WHICH HAVEN'T BEEN AT PRINCETON ZONING IN THE SF TWO IS OUT ON THE MAIN STREET. I MEAN, IT MAY NOT BOTHER A LOT OF YOU, BUT UNFORTUNATELY I'M A CITY PLANNER AND IT GREAT SONG MADE TO BE THIS TYPE OF WAY. LOGICAL ADMIXTURE. I WILL CERTAINLY GO ALONG WITH ANY MOTION THAT WILL ALLOW THE GENTLEMAN TO PROCEED WITH SOME TYPE OF USE SWITCHES, WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE USERS THAT HAVE ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES ALONG THAT STREET, WHICH SEEMS TO BE PRETTY GENERALIZED. SO THANK YOU MUCH. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BEAR, WHERE RAMIREZ AND THEN COMMISSIONER BRAY. SO AM I INCORRECT IN THAT THERE WAS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE USES IN PARTICULAR? UM, BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE CORRIDOR IN GENERAL, I, I MEAN, IT'S WHERE IT'S NEXT TO THE CREEK. AND THERE'S LOTS OF, I HEARD SOMEONE MENTIONED LEAD IN THE WATER AND I JUST HAVE ALL KINDS OF SPEAKING OF RED FLAGS GOING UP SAYING, THIS IS NOT A GOOD USE FOR THIS AREA. I'M FINE WITH HIM USING IT, YOU KNOW, AS A SMALL OFFICE, LIKE THE TIME WARNER, BUT TO ME, AUTOMOTIVE USE NEXT TO A CREEK DOES NOT MATTER. OKAY. OH NO. OH, SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND I'VE CALLED COMMISSIONER BRAY. COMMISSIONER BRAY. YEAH. I KIND OF SHARE PRETTY SIMILAR THOUGHTS AS COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ, UM, ABOUT, UH, AUTOMOTIVE USES. UH, I WAS KIND OF ASKED STAFF ABOUT THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT IN TERMS OF LIKE CONSISTENCY OF INDIVIDUALS, LIKE COMPATIBILITY WITH USES. UM, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME, BUT I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL USAGE I A CREEK. AND ALSO LIKE THE FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN RED TAGGED TROUBLES ME AS WELL. UM, SO I W I WOULD, WELL, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO ADDRESS HOW MUCH OF THE CREEK IS A CONSIDERATION HERE. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND ABOUT THE RED TECH ISSUE. YEAH. CAN I GO AHEAD AND RESPOND? OKAY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD. OKAY. AS FAR AS THE RED TAG ISSUE, THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THE PROPERTY OR DOING ANYTHING LIKE THIS, AND I'M LEARNING A LOT AS I'M GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. THE ISSUE WITH THIS, THE REASON THE RED TIDE GOT CREATED WAS BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST MOVED IN, I WAS, I HAD TRAVIS COUNTY, 24 HOURS AFTER I MOVED INTO THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE I'M IN TRAVIS COUNTY. AND I THOUGHT I WAS UNDER THE ETJ. TRAVIS COUNTY CAME OUT AND THEY GAVE ME A SHEET OF PAPER SAYING THAT YOU ARE IN THE TJ, THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO CLEAR THE LOCK COMPLETELY. YOU JUST CANNOT. YOU CAN JUST EVEN LINE UP YOUR CONCRETE PAD, EVEN TO MY CONTRACTOR TO EMPHASIZE ON IT. YOU CAN EVEN RUN UP YOUR CONCRETE PAD, JUST, YOU CAN'T PULL IT UNTIL YOU GET YOUR PERMIT, BUT IN ORDER TO GET YOUR PERMIT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SET PLAN. AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE COST OF EVERYTHING, WHICH I WAS MEETING WITH CONTRACTORS. SO I STARTED TO CLEAR THE LAND TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. TWO WEEKS AFTER I FINISHED THE CLEARING, THE CITY OF BOSTON, YOUR ENFORCEMENT LADY CAME OUT AND TOLD ME, OH, ALL OF THAT STUFF IS WRONG. AND I SHOWED HER THE SHEET THAT THE TRAVIS COUNTY OFFICER HAD PAID ME. AND THAT WAS TWO SATISFACTION THAT SHOWED HER ENOUGH THAT I WASN'T AT FAULT. I DIDN'T KNOW ANY BETTER, CAUSE I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE. AND SHE TOLD ME TO PUT UP A STEEL FENCE AND THEN GO APPLY FOR YOUR PERMITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH I WENT IN HIS OFFICE IMMEDIATELY ALL THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO BE UP TO CODE WITH EVERYTHING AND APPLIED FOR MY PERMITS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND BASED ON WHAT THE LAST CONVERSATION I HAD WITH THE CLOSING ENFORCEMENT LADY, EVEN ON THE DOCUMENT, IT SAYS THAT I AM NOT BREAKING ANY RULES RIGHT NOW. I HAVE TO WAIT. AND THIS REZONING IS THE FIRST PART OF MY PROCESS TO GET ALL MY [01:20:01] PROPER PARAMETERS, TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY. SO I'M BY MY STANDARD, BY THE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT STANDARD, I AM NOT BREAKING ANY RULES. I JUST HAVE TO GET MY PERMITS. AND THIS IS APPARENTLY THE FIRST PART OF THIS. AND IF I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD TRAVIS COUNTY, TRAVIS COUNTY, WHEN THEY COME OUT AND GIVE YOU SOMETHING WRITING, THEY WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN NOT GIVE YOU ANY WRONG INFORMATION. BUT APPARENTLY I WAS WRONG. I MEAN, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO I'M KIND OF LEARNING EVERYTHING AS I'M GOING ALONG. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION FOR SHERRY ABOUT THE AUTO USES. SO AS FAR AS THE PERMIT GO, THE PERMITS THAT WERE APPLIED FOR, FOR THIS PROPERTY, FOR PER RESIDENCE, FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED AS EXHIBIT D AND YOUR BACKUP AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE GR DISTRICT. THIS STAFF IS CONCERNED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH EAST AND WEST ARE ALL DEVELOPED WITH RESIDENTIAL USES THAT ARE VERIFIED BY T CAD RECORDS. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE USES ON A VERY LOW VISIBILITY STREET, ADJACENT TO A CREEK BEHIND THIS PROPERTY. SO THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT RUN OFF INTO THE CREEK AND OF COURSE ABOUT THE SURROUNDING USES AND SURROUNDING ZONING, WHICH IS RESIDENTIAL . OKAY. THANK YOU, SHERRY AND COMMISSIONER GARY. OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO READ INTO THE RECORD. UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. UM, ACCORDING TO THE BACKUP, THIS IS ON PAGE OR MIGHT BE THE OLD, I BELIEVE IT'S PAGE NINE. THE SITE IS LOCATED OVER THE EDWARDS AQUIFER RECHARGE ZONE. THIS SITE IS IN THE LAKE TRAVIS WATERSHED, UH, WHICH IS SPECIFIED AS A WATER SUPPLY, RURAL WATERSHED IN EDC, IN THE DRINKING WATER PROTECTION ZONE IN BASED ON THE INFORMATION OUT TO LOOK AT, UM, THE CITY OF AUSTIN WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE IS NOT AVAILABLE TO SERVE THIS TRACK. SO IN THE FORCE, WHEN I WAS READING EVERYTHING ELSE, I WAS LIKE COMMISSIONER, BUT A SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LED, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A SHOOTING RANGE NEXT DOOR. I WONDERED ABOUT OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY IDENTIFIED BASED ON THE REVIEW OF NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY, BUT OTHER PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, SO I'M CONCERNED IN THIS CREEK APPEARS TO BE AT THE HEADWATERS WHERE THIS LOCATION IS THAT APPEARS TO BE AT THE HEADWATERS. UM, SO NOT SURE WHAT WATERSHED THIS WOULD BE WELL SEE IN THE BACK OF WHICH WATER SHIT. UM, BUT I JUST, I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED. AND JUST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE MAY BE DOING SOMETHING WRONG, SHOULD NOT BE A BLANKET TO SAY THAT ME TOO, I CAN ALSO DO SOMETHING WRONG. AND THAT'S JUST MY PERSPECTIVE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF CODE ENFORCEMENT IDENTIFIED AN ISSUE, IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY AND SOMEHOW, MAYBE THE CITY WORK WITH THE APPLICANT ON DOING SOMETHING ELSE OR LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, DOWN DOWNSTREAM, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE AN IMPACT. I CAN PROMISE YOU NEVER SAID IT BEFORE A WILLIAMSON CREEK. WHEN WE HAVE DEBRIS FROM OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE UPSTREAM, WHENEVER THEY'RE SET UP, LETTING IT BENT BELIEVES ME. WE DID IT IN OUR END OF WHEN I WAS HELPING WITH THE ONION CREEK, UH, FLOODING RECOVERY ASPECT IN 2013, BEING TOLD AFTER I WAS, YOU KNOW, AFTER HELPING PEOPLE CLEAR UP THEIR HOMES AND CLEANUP AS MISSISSIPPI COULD, THAT I NEEDED TO THROW AWAY THE CODING THAT I WAS WEARING, INCLUDING MY SHOES, BECAUSE OF ALL THE CONTAMINANTS THAT WERE IN THE WATER BECAUSE OF THE FLOODING THAT MADE A MAJOR IMPRESSION ON ME. SO I THINK WE NEED A, UM, I'M GOING TO PROPOSE A, NOW MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, GO WITH THE STEPS RECOMMENDATION MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GEARY, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KING TO GO WITH STANK RECOMMENDATION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, OR WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND DO A VOTE. AND I'LL SAY, I AGREE. I'M ACTUALLY SORT OF CONFUSED ABOUT LIKE EVEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE HE DID APPLY FOR A RESIDENTIAL PERMIT. SO I'M JUST, THIS IS A VERY INTERESTING APPLICATION AND INTERESTING DOES NOT MAKE STRAIGHT FORWARD. SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS AND IF NOT, I'LL JUST CALL FOR A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE FOLLOWING STAFF RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. I'M VOTING. I'M VOTING TO SUPPORT [01:25:01] THAT MOTION. OKAY. WAIT, COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER BERRERA RAMIREZ COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER RAY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND COMMISSIONER. KOBASA ALL THOSE OPPOSED TO THE MOTION OR TO A STAFF RECOMMENDATION. COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. MOTION PASSES AND OH, COMMISSIONER DANCLER DID. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T, I CAN'T SEE. I UNDERSTAND THEM. I'M HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY EVEN GETTING RECOGNIZED TO SPEAK BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING MUTED BY STAFF AND I UNDERSTAND THEY DON'T WANT THE BACKGROUND NOISE WHILE I'M SUPPORTING THAT MOTION COMMISSIONER DANCLER YES. OKAY. AND SO YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION AND, OKAY. OKAY. SO MOTION CARRIES AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY. AND ABSOLUTELY COMMISSIONER DINKLER. I CANNOT YOU, UM, JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT AND COMMISSIONER SMITH. YES. I DO KNOW WHY THE VIDEO IS GONE. I'M GOING TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOME ASSISTANCE FROM MY HUSBAND. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SMITH. MY CONCERN IS, I DON'T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE FAMILY BY PHONE, THE ACTUAL USES SURROUNDING IT. I ALSO THINK IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR GR SO I THINK THE APP NEEDS TO COME IN WITH WHAT HE REALLY WANTS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY AND REALLY, BECAUSE HE CAME IN WITH A SINGLE FAMILY APPLICATION, BUT THEY WANTED TO DO COMMERCIAL. SO WE NEED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND COME IN WITH SOMETHING THAT'S REAL. THAT'S WHY I VOTED. OKAY. AND THEN EITHER ONE OF THESE CATEGORIES. OKAY, WELL, I'D LIKE TO FOLLOW UP TOO. IF I COULD ADD THE SAME VEIN AS COMMISSIONER SMITH. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER DUNKIN STARTED THIS PROCESS, BUT THE STAFF REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHAT THEY'VE GOT OUT HERE. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, AGAIN, OF OUR POSTAGE STAMP APPROACH TO ZONING THAT WE DO OVER AND OVER AND WITHOUT LOOKING REALISTICALLY AT WHAT'S GOING ON, JUST LOOKING AT WHAT IS SUPPOSEDLY ON A MAP THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHAT SOMETHING IS ZONE, AND THEN PICKING OUT ONE SITE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A WHOLE STREET FULL OF THINGS THAT ARE BASICALLY A NONCOMPLIANT AND LETTING IT GO, IT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER THIS A GOOD SPOT FOR GR OR NOT AUTOMOTIVE USES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A VERY LARGE DEALERSHIP JUST ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD WHEN THE BIBLE DEALERSHIP IS BUILT. SO THE HAMMER, SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO DO A BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE INEPTITUDE, THAT'S BEEN EXEMPTED IN THE PAST IN DEALING WITH THIS AREA, I THINK IS UNFAIR PUNISHMENT FOR THE APPLICANT AND ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS ROAD. SO IT WAS JUST A STRONG COMPLIMENT. THE STAFF DO SOMETHING LET'S GET THIS SQUARED AWAY SO THAT WE GOT NOT DOING IT LIKE THIS AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. THANK YOU AND COMMISSIONER, ACTUALLY, WE ARE REALLY DONE WITH THIS VERY IMPORTANT COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONER DUNKIN. AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO SECOND WHAT MY COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER HERBERT SAID, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS AREA, THIS IS A BOOMING AREA. IT'S A LONG SIX 20 OUT IN OUR AREA. IT'S ACTUALLY A COMMISSION TO EVIDENCE DISTRICT, NOT MINE, BUT I TRAVELED THAT WAY A LOT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN I LISTEN TO THE FRUSTRATION OF THIS APPLICANT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT HE'S CAUGHT POINT TWITCH COUNTY CITY, WHAT ARE YOUR IN ETJ? A LOT OF THE PEOPLE OUT HERE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, THEY GET REALLY FRUSTRATED, UH, AND, UH, WE'RE IN A GROWTH AREA. I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT STAFF REALLY LEAN OVER BACKWARDS TO TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT. I'LL KEEP HIM, CAUSE I KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. I HAVEN'T, IT GOTTA CONTINUE TO HAVE TO DROP THOSE BOOTS. UH, BOTTOM LINE IS I STRONGLY AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. I DO. OKAY. AND COMMISSION KEEN VERY BRIEFLY. I WILL. AND I ALSO CONFER WITH THE COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND COMMISSIONER EVANS ON THIS. AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SMALL AREA, JOINT PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE, AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET THE BALL ROLLING ON SMALL AREA PLANNING PROCESSES. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED. THAT'S WHAT WOULD HELP ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND GET THIS, HAVE BETTER PLANS AND AVOID THESE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT THIS APPLICANT IS DEALING WITH. SO I I'M JUST ADVOCATING FOR SMALL AREA PLANNING NOW. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND NOW [Item C1] WE'RE ONTO A NEW BUSINESS C ONE AND THAT IS C 14 DASH TWO OH ONE NINE DASH ZERO ONE TWO NINE TEN EIGHT OH ONE WHEN REBEL LOOP DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO RESCIND ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION ACTION FROM MAY 19TH, [01:30:02] UM, RE REGARDING THIS CASE AND CO-SPONSORS KING COMMISSIONERS, KING DUNKIN, AND GARY, AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST IN FAVOR? AND UM, ABOUT THIS CASE COMMISSIONER KING KING, YOU GOT TO UNMUTE AT COMMISSIONER KING. YOU HAVE TO UNMUTE. YES. I'M UN-MUTED. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. UM, YES. AND I'M JUST SAYING, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF THE CO-SPONSORS AND MY CO-SPONSORS COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND COMMISSIONER GARY ON THIS ITEM. AND, UH, UH, SO I ASKED FOR THIS ITEM, WE ASKED FOR THIS ITEM TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE COULD, UH, UH, ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND LET ME JUST START OFF BY SAYING, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE, I'M NOT BLAMING STAFF, I'M NOT BLAMING ANYONE FOR THESE PROBLEMS. THESE PROBLEMS COME WITH THESE ONLINE MEETINGS THAT HAVE, WE'VE HAD TO ABRUPTLY START HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH LITTLE TIME TO PLAN AND NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THESE CHALLENGES. NEVERTHELESS, WHEN WE HAVE THE KINDS OF ISSUES THAT WE HAD IN THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH APPROXIMATELY 80 SPEAKERS AND MANY OF THE SPEAKERS, WE COULDN'T HEAR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS A COMMISSIONER, IF I CAN'T HEAR THE INPUT AND THEN I'M I'M, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION TO HELP INFORM MY DECISION, HELP ME MAKE MY DECISION. AND TO ME THAT THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ME AS A COMMISSIONER, AND IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE PUBLIC EITHER BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY AS A COMMISSIONER, I HAVE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN, SO TO ME, IT'S IT'S AS THOUGH WHEN I DO GET ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION THAT THEY DID INTEND TO COMMUNICATE, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, FOR THESE REASONS, THEN IT'S NEW INFORMATION TO ME. SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT THAT IT'S NEW INFORMATION. IF WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT INFORMATION FOR WHATEVER THAT REASON MIGHT A TECHNICAL GLITCH, WHATEVER THE ISSUE IS, WE, WE DID NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. AND SECONDLY, THE PUBLIC DID NOT REALLY HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO INFORM US AND TO HAVE OUR DECISION BE INFORMED BY THEIR PUBLIC INPUT. SO TO ME, THOSE ARE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES. AND THEN IN TERMS OF NEW INFORMATION, UH, THEY'RE THERE TO ME, I'VE ALREADY DEFINED THAT. I BELIEVE THAT THE INFORMATION WE DID NOT RECEIVE BECAUSE WE COULD NOT HEAR IT. IT WAS AN UNINTELLIGIBLE IS TO ME NO DIFFERENT THAN THE IT BEING NEW INFORMATION BECAUSE WE NEVER RECEIVED IT. AND WE NEVER WERE, HAD HAD A, YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION TO USE IN INFORMING OUR DECISION. AND THEN THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL NEW INFORMATION. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EDUCATIONAL IMPACT STATEMENT. AND NOW WE HAVE THAT, WHICH I THINK IS VERY INFORMATIVE. AND AT THIS POINT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO COMMISSIONER OR GIDDY TO FOLLOW UP WITH ANY ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMENTS SHE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. OKAY, MS. . YES. UM, I BELIEVE, WELL, THE INFORMATION THAT IS NEEDED IS THE REQUEST BY COUNCIL MEMBER KITCHEN REGARDING THIS. AND I WOULD HOPE, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY FOR DISTRICT FIVE, BUT ALSO DISTRICT TWO OF FLOODING IS THE MAJOR CONCERN. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING YOU INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WATERSHED OR THE INFORMATION THAT WATERSHIP WOULD HAVE TO PROVIDE, THAT WOULD BE SPECIFIC TO THIS, UH, PROJECT, AND THEN THE IMPACT DOWNSTREAM, BECAUSE THIS IMPACTS NOT ONLY ONION CREEK, BUT ALSO SLAUGHTER CREEK WATERSHED, UM, KNOWING THE POTENTIAL DAMAGE THAT BUYOUTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. UM, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT ALL OF I'M BEING, YOU KNOW, EXAGGERATING A LOT, BUT THEN IT SEEMS LIKE THE DISTRICT IS GOING TO GET WASHED AWAY PRETTY SOON. SO I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONSIDER AND LOOK INTO GREATER DETAIL, THAT SPECIFIC IMPACT. I KNOW, UM, THE, AS FAR AS RAINFALL IT'S, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER SMITH KNOWS MORE BEING THAT HE WAS IN ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION. UM, BUT BEING ON THE FLIGHT VACATION TASKFORCE, WE KNOW THAT THE RAINFALL IN YOU KEEP IT WITHIN THE PAST 10 YEARS, IT IS MUCH MORE INTENSE. YOU ACCOLADE AT THAT TIMEFRAME COMPARED TO THE PAST 100 YEARS. SO LOOKING AT THOSE IMPACTS TO OUR ENVIRONMENT, UH, THE POTENTIAL NOT ONLY LOSS OF PROPERTY, BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR LOSS OF LIFE IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS MORE CLOSELY. UM, AND IT'S ALREADY, YOU KNOW, VERY CONTENTIOUS IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S GOING TO, I THINK IT MIGHT COUNCIL NEAR PROTIUM GARCIA WERE TO MAKE A REQUEST, UM, TO THIS BODY TO RECONSIDER AN ITEM THAT PERTAINS TO HER DISTRICT. I WOULD HOPE THAT Y'ALL WOULD HONOR IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. IT'S THE FACT THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER HAS REACHED OUT TO US AND YES, THIS RECONSIDERATION THAT PUTS A LOT OF MERIT TO ME [01:35:01] IN THIS CASE. AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER AND THERE, UM, AND NOT TO PUT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN ON THE SPOT. UM, BUT DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE ONE SPEAKER SIGNED UP AGAINST, AND IT IS THE AGENT, UM, DAVID HARTMAN, AND I BELIEVE HE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. SO, UM, BUT SINCE YOU'RE LISTED AS A COSPONSOR, UM, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE GO ON TO COMMIT? OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW, UH, MR. HARTMAN, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES MR. HARTMAN. I KNOW THIS IS A LEARNING PROCESS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. DAVID HARTMAN AGAIN, OPPOSED TO THE ACT OR RESCISSION ACTION. I'M ACTUALLY HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY A DISCUSSION FOR COMMISSIONERS AND STAFF, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT IF STAFF DOESN'T AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD, THAT THE BOOKABLE ARTICLE SEVEN RULES ARE BASICALLY THAT THE REQUEST MUST BE BASED ON QUOTE, NEW EVIDENCE HAS TO BE MATERIAL TO A CORRECT DECISION OF THE COMMISSION. AND THAT WOULD BE A ZONING CASE. AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SETS UP AN ORDER OF PROCESS OF ZONING FIRST THEN AFTER THAT'S COMPLETE SUBDIVISION AND THEN SITE PLAN. AND SO I WOULD OFFER AND SUBMIT TO YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME MATERIAL AND INFORMATION THAT HAS, I'VE SEEN, UM, FLOATING AROUND THAT'S AVAILABLE THAT PERTAINS TO SITE PLAN. THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO THE ZONING CASE. AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO JUST FOCUS ON THE QUOTE UNQUOTE NEW EVIDENCE JUDGE TO ME, MATERIAL TO CORRECT A DECISION OF THE COMMISSION PERTAINS TO THE ZONING CASE AND I'LL STOP THERE AND BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO SPEAK FROM THE COMMISSION AND IF NOT ALL SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE, THERE WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CITY OF SAN LEANNA WHO SPOKE AND THEN HER COMMENTS WERE POSTED TO BACKUP, BUT RUNNING THE MEETING, I AM NOT READING ANY COMMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED DURING THE MEETING. UM, SO I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM OR EVEN QUESTION. AND I THOUGHT SHE WAS A VERY IMPORTANT WITNESS OR, UM, BECAUSE SHE WAS REPRESENTING THE TOWNSHIP THAT IS A MUNICIPALITY AND THEY COULD HAVE HAD AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. AND I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, NOT WHY COULDN'T THE CITY OF AUSTIN DO AN INTER LOCAL WITH THE CITY, WITH THE TOWNSHIP OF SAN LEANNA AND THAT, AND ALSO A LONG TIME AGO, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN OUT OF PRACTICE. UM, THE EDUCATIONAL IMPACT STATEMENT WAS MISSING AND THAT'S JUST LIKE RIGHT HERE. AND WE HAVE RELIED ON THEM IN THE PAST FOR GETTING SIDEWALKS TO SCHOOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO I THINK IF SOMETHING IS MISSING, I MEAN, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. I KNOW IT WAS A BIG DEAL AND SOUTH CONGRESS CASE. UM, SO THAT IS JUST MY 2 CENTS. AND, UM, AND ALSO I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL WHEN A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED US TO TRY TO GET SOME CONSENSUS, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON THE DAYAS HEY, COMMISSIONER SMITH. YEAH. UM, I DID REACH OUT TO SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE WATERSHED. UM, CAUSE I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT DOWNSTREAM ISSUES AND WAS ASSURED BY PEOPLE WAY UP AND THEY WANT HER TO AN APARTMENT DURING THE SUBDIVISION AND SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, THEY WILL TAKE A VERY CLOSE LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE THAT IT TAKEN THE WATER QUALITY AND WOULD NOT APPROVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD HAVE ANY DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS TO FLOODING OR ANY DOWNSTREAM IMPACT TO WATERFALL WATERFALL. THEY WILL BE PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THAT WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE COMING OUT OF THAT. A LOT OF THE AC WE HAVE DOWNSTREAM AND AS A CRITICAL PROBLEM, SOLVES THINGS WERE BUILT IN THE FIFTIES AND SIXTIES, NOT THINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT NOW. AND IN REGARD TO CLIMATE CHANGE, HE SAID HE DIDN'T ADOPT THE NEW STANDARD. UM, LAYMAN'S, YOU'RE ALREADY THERE. HE'S ALREADY THIS YEAR AND THE ATLAS 14, WE HAVE ADOPTED NEW STANDARDS AS REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE IN OUR WATER QUALITY STANDARDS TO DETENTION STANDARDS THAT WILL BE APPLIED TO THIS PROJECT. I WANT TO HEAR THAT. THAT WOULD BE THE CASE IN THIS. THAT'S ALL I GOT. SURE. KING, I SAW YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. I YEAR MUTE. AND CAN YOU SPELL KING [01:40:01] COMMISSIONER KING? YOU'RE STILL, I'M SORRY. I'M THE RIGHT BUTTON HERE. WILL YOU COME BACK TO ME IN JUST A SECOND? I WAS PULLING UP A DOCUMENT THAT I WANTED TO REFER TO. OKAY. AND ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER BRAY? OKAY. WELL, I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE, UH, TESTIMONY FROM, UH, THE VILLAGE OF ST. LENA WAS, UM, THAT THERE WAS, THEY DID HAVE A LETTER IN THE BACKUP BEFORE THE MEETING, UM, THAT I HAD READ. UM, AND I IMAGINE MORE, SOME OF YOU HAD READ, SO I FEEL LIKE THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE GOTTEN SOME OF THE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, UH, OR TESTIMONY MIGHT'VE OFFERED NEW THINGS, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE MOST OF THE TIME, THE TESTIMONY IS MORE ABOUT EMPHASIZING POINTS, NECESSARILY BRINGING UP NEW INFORMATION. UM, AND I WOULD BE JUST IN GENERAL HESITANT, UH, TO DO THIS REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL, UM, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE IRRITATING THE VOTE. I, I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL MEMBER WANTING TO SHUFFLE BACK TO US, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT'S WHAT THE LANGUAGE OF OUR BYLAWS SAY, UH, OR OUR RULE SAY THAT, UH, I ALSO AM SKEPTICAL THAT IF WE ARE DIVIDED AS WE ARE ON THIS, THAT COUNCIL, UH, WHOEVER ON COUNCIL DID INTEGRATE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD NOT TRY TO FIGHT IT AT COUNCIL AS WELL. SO I AM, UNLESS THERE WAS SOME WAY WE COULD FIND A COMPROMISE, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THAT WOULD MORE LIKELY JUST BE THE COMMUNITY AND THE DEVELOPER WORKING TOGETHER TO BRING SOMETHING THAT WOULD JUST GO TO COUNCIL. UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE A PATH FORWARD THAT DOES WHAT KITCHEN WOULD WANT US TO DO THAT I APPRECIATE HER, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTING US TO TRY TO GO AT IT. UM, BUT IN GENERAL, I GUESS ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER GEARY IS, UH, WITH THE EDUCATION IMPACT, IS THERE SOMETHING ON THERE TO, ON THE EDUCATION, BECAUSE THAT IS A NEW DOCUMENT THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE MAJOR ENOUGH TO WARRANT US RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE CASE. THAT WAS ME THAT BROUGHT THAT UP. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM AIKEN SCHOOL. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEN WE CAN CONSIDER LIKE, LIKE THE TIME WITH THE SOUTH CONGRESS THING, WE CAN RECOMMEND SIDEWALKS AND WHATEVER. AND ALSO, BUT THE BIG POINT IS IT IS INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. THEY DID NOT, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO IT, AND THEY DID NOT INCLUDE IT. THEY DID NOT HAVE IT DONE YET. AND SO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY MISSING INFORMATION. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER THERE IS GOING TO HELP IN THIS CASE OR NOT. I THINK IT IS BECAUSE IT'S AKINS HIGH SCHOOL AND IT'S, UM, AND IT IS, UH, IT IS A DOCUMENT THAT I, THAT THE AUSTIN ISD HAS SOME INPUT INTO TOO. SO THAT'S WHY, OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH REAL, PLEASE. THIS MIGHT BE FOR STAFF, BUT I WOULD CALL THE CASE. THEY WERE PUTTING IN SIDEWALKS ALONG ALL THE ROADWAYS ARE RADICALLY, THEY WERE MEETING IT. AND WHAT WAS IN THE AND THEIR BASE CORRECT STUFF. UM, CAN I JUST SAY, I WAS JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. I WAS JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S SOMETIMES VALUE AND PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT AKINS HIGH SCHOOL, SO IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT CAN HAVE SOME WEIGHT OR NOT. UM, BUT, UM, YEAH, STAFF, IF YOU WANT TO ASK, UM, I, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD BE THE STAFF PERSON ON THIS WAITING, WAITING WHILE WE'RE WAITING. AND THAT IS A QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER SMITH ABOUT SIDEWALKS COMMISSIONER DANCLER, UM, HAVING LIVED THROUGH THREE MOVES TO RESEND I'VE. I FIND THIS DISCUSSION FASCINATING BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WHERE WE'VE EVEN HAD COMMENTS FROM THE LEGAL STAFF. AND WE GRANTED A RECENSION MOTION FOR A PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER TWICE. AND THE LAST TIME IT WAS, AND THE FIRST TIME IT WAS SOMETHING I WOULD'VE SUPPORTED, BUT WE SET UP A SPECIAL MEETING. I MISSED IT THE LAST TIME WE DID IT, BASICALLY ON THE PROCESS QUESTION, WHICH WAS, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE MISSING NEW REFORMATION BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T HEAR IT. AND IN THIS CASE, THE SECOND ONE, WE POSTPONED IT BECAUSE THERE WAS A ROBERT'S RULE OF ORDER, PARLIAMENTARIAN QUESTION, WE VOTED ON IT BECAUSE THE RULES SAY TWO THIRDS VOTE TO RESCIND AN ACTION. IT DIDN'T GO FORWARD, NO DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME ABOUT WHETHER IT MET EVIDENTIARY REQUIREMENTS AT ALL. NOW HERE'S [01:45:01] THE THING THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING I WANT TO REMIND SOME OF THE NEW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS, MAYBE A ZONING CASE. AND THE ARGUMENT IS DRAINAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS DEALT WITH AT A SUBDIVISION OR SITE PLAN. GOD, DANG IT. I JUST RACKED OUT. I'M SCREAMING AT MY HUSBAND. I CANNOT, I CANNOT WAIT TILL THEY GET BACK, BUT HERE'S THE THING ABOUT ZONING. ANY USE CAN BE MADE CONDITIONAL, WHICH MEANS THE SITE PLAN COMES BACK TO US AND WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS LIKE DRAINAGE. SO SAYING THIS IS GOING TO PROPERLY DONE AT A SECONDARY LEVEL IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. WE CAN MAKE ALL THESE USES CONDITIONAL. AND I DO THINK WE GOT NEW INFORMATION. WE GOT AN AI. YES. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT DID SHOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS RIGHT IN MANHATTAN. THE IMPACT THERE. I THINK I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEEN I ALSO FOR THE FIRST TIME FOUND OUT THAT THERE WEREN'T CLIMATE CHANGE PLANS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT AFFECTS THE MODELING. UM, I THINK IT'S HIGHLY UNLIKELY. THE ZONING CASE WILL BE HEARD ANYTIME QUICKLY. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA TO TAKE A PRECEDENT, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THOROUGH DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUE BECAUSE WE WEREN'T EVEN ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. UM, I WAS ALSO TIRED BY THE WAY THAT SOME OF THE TRAFFIC ARGUMENTS WERE LAID OUT BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO ASK ABOUT PHASING AND IT WAS A, BUT WE'RE ACTING LIKE WE WERE MAKING IT A CONDITION OF ZONING. WE COULD HAVE FACED THE TRAFFIC, UM, BASED ON, YOU KNOW, UM, NOT ALLOWING SAY THE SECOND, UM, PHASE TO BE BUILT UNTIL THE IMPROVEMENTS WERE MADE AT, UH, ON THE STATE ROAD. OR WE COULD HAVE EVEN SAID, DON'T CONNECT THE WODE TO WADDELL LANE UNTIL BOTH PHASES WERE KEPT. AM I MAKING SENSE? AND THE FACT THAT THE STAFF SAID THAT WAS A CONDITION OF ZONING WHEN TRAFFIC, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PART OF OUR MOTION AS POP PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS WAS NOT REALLY LAID OUT AS CLEARLY AS IT COULD HAVE BEEN. SO I THINK I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. UM, I DON'T, I THINK IT'S A TOUGH CASE. I THINK, UH, COUNSEL, UM, I THINK WE OWE IT TO COUNCIL TO DO THE BEST RECOMMENDATION WE CAN. SO, UM, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THERE'S NO BETTER RAILROAD RAMIREZ. I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. OKAY. WHO ELSE HASN'T SPOKEN YET? AND THEN I'M PRETTY SURE A DUNCAN AND THEN COMMISSIONING . THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUNKIN FIRST AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAY. OKAY. THE REASON I'M NOT THERE YET TO BE CONSIDERATION OF THIS. AND I WAS, I THINK THE ONLY ONE WHO ACTUALLY GO THIS PART, SO I WAS ONLY ASSIGNING THEM AT THE MEETING. THERE'S GOOD PARTS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. OH, AT THE MEETING, I WAS ON THE EDGE. I THINK IF YOU REMEMBER, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT HEIGHT AND I WAS A DISTRICT AROUND 60 FEET AND I WAS TOLD BY ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES THAT THEY WERE GOING TO LIMIT IT TO 48. UH, BUT I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BOTHERED ME IN THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS WAS A PERSONAL THING. WHAT I CONSIDER TERTIARY ISSUES THAT REALLY SHOULD NOT OVERCOME THE OTHER. WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE TERTIARY ISSUES, I THINK THE ENVIRONMENT, A COMPATIBILITY MOBILITY, THOSE ARE MAJOR ISSUES. WE ALL GOT LOOK AT. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THE WIDTH OF BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS. OKAY. QUITE FRANKLY, WITH THE BIKES WENT, THE SIDEWALK SHOULDN'T AFFECT OUR DECISION FOR TIME ON THIS. I MEAN, IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THEM, BUT THEY WILL HAPPEN. AND THEY WILL OCCUR AT THE SITE LEVEL. YEAH. I WAS VERY SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD OVER 80 PEOPLE SPEAK. THEY WERE CONCERNED. I DIDN'T AGREE WITH A LOT OF THEIR REASONS FOR BEING CONCERNED, BUT I FELT LIKE THEY WERE COMPELLED TO SPEND THE TIME WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMITTEE, THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL PERSON THAT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT. UH, AND, UH, SO, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT BOTHERED ME WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL [01:50:01] SITE, THE ORIGINAL PLANS FOR THAT AREA, THIS TRACK WAS SHOWN AS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED NUMBER TWO, THE YEAR I FORGOT THE NAME OF IT, WHATEVER WOOD IT WAS CALLED. AND THE RIDELL CONNECTOR ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THAT. HI, IT'S CHANGED. I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MARKET'S CHANGED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. SO THE FACT THAT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT ONE AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT SINGLE FAMILY I WOULD AGREED WITH ORIGINALLY, CAUSE IT JUST SPILLED ON TO MAKE YOUR UP. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT EXTRA CONSIDERATION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO THOSE 80 PEOPLE. CAUSE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOME AND A LOT OF THEM, UH HUH I WAS AFFECTED. AND A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE IT'S THEIR FIRST HOME, THEY WERE LIVING IN AN AREA AND THEY MOVED INTO IT. ANYHOW. NOPE. RIGHT. WE ARE, WE ARE REHASHING THE ZONING CASE. YES. WE'RE WE'RE REHASHING LEE, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THAT. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT IS A RECENSION COMMISSIONER, IF YOU WILL HAVE TO DEFEND IT. OKAY. LET'S GO ON A BARTER IS I'M ASKING THE CHAIR TO DEFERMENT. IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CORRECT OR NOT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DUNKIN. I WILL ASK YOU WHAT IS, I'M JUST SAYING. I FEEL WE OUGHT TO RECONSTRUCT PERIOD. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER RAY. I'M SORRY. YES. YEAH. I AM. I'M REALLY TORN ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT THE AUDIO QUALITY IS HIGHLY FRUSTRATING. I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT. SO WE MAKE SURE THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE INCLUSIVE. UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THAT ALONE CONSTITUTED SENIOR EVIDENCE UNDER OUR BYLAWS. UM, I THINK REALLY THINKING ABOUT THIS FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, I MEAN TO TAKE A VERY HARD LOOK ABOUT WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE NEW EVIDENCE AND AS MUCH AS YOU KNOW, IT'S CHALLENGING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS THOROUGHLY TWO WEEKS AGO THAT WE WERE ALL PRETTY TIRED AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT MOOD AND KIND OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE WISH WE COULD HAVE HAD, UM, CONSTITUTE FOR WAY NEW EVIDENCE. I THINK WHEN WE CONSIDER THAT TERM, WE OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT ITEMS THAT ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED TO THE FACTS OF THE CASE. LIKE IF A STAFF MANAGER HAD CITED, UM, SOMETHING INCORRECTLY IN THE BACKUP AND THE NEWER UNDER THAT IMPRESSION, WE'VE HEARD THE CASE. UM, SIMILARLY I'M DEEPLY TROUBLED A BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF CLIMATE CHANGE IN OUR WORLD ON A MACRO LEVEL MORE BROADLY. UM, BUT THAT RESOLUTION FROM COUNCIL HAD BEEN PASSED PRIOR TO US HEARING THIS CASE. THAT'S GENERAL CONTEXTUAL INFORMATION. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE WERE GETTING INFORMATION. BUT AS FAR AS THIS PIECE GOES, I DON'T CONSIDER IT TO BE NEED TO REMAIN TO THE POINT OF BEING NEW EVIDENCE. UM, SO THOSE ARE MY POINTS AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK ULTIMATELY FROM MY PROCEDURAL AND SUBSTANTIVE STANDPOINT, UM, WE DON'T WITH OUR ORIGINAL, CAN WE CONCUR WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER RAY JUST SAID? AND I REALLY AM CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO VOTE THERESA IN THIS CASE THAT WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT AND THAT PRECEDENT WILL HAUNT US FOR A LONG TIME. UH, WE'VE HEARD THIS CASE, UH, WE MADE A COMMOTION, WE IMPROVE IT AND THE NEXT MOVE IS TO COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO. AND WE DON'T NEED TO REHEAR REOPENED, REHEAR THIS CASE. I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION TO RESENT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DAN GLOVER. I THINK THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING WITH THAT IS THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE BEEN DOING IT AND YOU CAN'T DO IT. ASK FOR A RECONSIDERATION WHEN IT MAY HELP AN APPLICANT AND NOT ASK FOR RECONSIDERATION, BUT THEN WANT THE RULES FOLLOWED WHEN IT MIGHT. UM, SOME OF THIS IS SUBJECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF FOLKS HEARD MY COMMENT ABOUT THIS COULD BE HEARD AS PART OF THIS. I DON'T KNOW. I'VE HEARD FOLKS WITH MY COMMENT THAT MY THOUGHT STAFF WAS INCORRECTLY TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC. UM, AND I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ENOUGH NEW EVIDENCE TO RECONSIDER IT. I WANT TO ASSIST THE COUNCIL IN HAVING A CASE WITH BOAT TIED UP. SO, UM, THAT'S MY POINT. OKAY. COMING FROM THE BRAY, I WAS GOING TO ASK IF THAT'S LIKE GOING BACK TO MY QUESTION I HAD EARLIER IS [01:55:01] THAT EDUCATION, UM, ASSESSMENT TO BE SOMEWHERE I'M NOT ABLE TO FIND IT. IT'S ONLINE 5:45 PM. IT CAME IN AFTER OUR ZONING CASE. SO WHAT SHE NEED TO DO IS GO TO AUSTIN, TEXAS.GOV/DEVELOPMENT, UH, AUSTIN BUILD THE CASE NUMBER FOR THE ZONING PLAN. I THINK I CAN PROVIDE THAT FOR YOU RIGHT LONG TIME. THAT THAT WAS TO THE BAT ONLINE ON THE FIVE 30. AND I THINK THE STAFF WAS A LITTLE LATE PROVIDING THAT INFO, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET INTO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEMO SAID BECAUSE IT MAY BUILD ON THAT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN SEE FOUR, TWO DASH 2019 DASH ZERO ONE NINE. WELL, CAN I SAY THEN IT IS A HEARING OF THE CASE. IT'S JUST A DOCUMENT FOR ME, IT'S JUST A DOCUMENT THAT'S MISSING AND OUR BARLEY LOANS ARE CLEAVER OR IT'S OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS INFORMATION. AND THAT IS NEW INFORMATION AND WE CAN WAIT. AND IF WE, IF WE RESEND AND IF WE DISCUSS AGAIN, LET ME REMIND PEOPLE THAT I ACTUALLY COMMISSIONERS DON'T REMEMBER, BUT I DID A RECENSION OF EMOTION THAT I HAD VOTED AGAINST ON THE ALLEN ROAD FLAG LOTS, BUT I FELT THAT. AND SO TALKING ABOUT PRECEDENT AND MAYBE I SET THE WRONG PRECEDENT BECAUSE I FELT THAT IT WAS UNFAIR THAT, THAT WE HAD JUST A QUORUM SHOWING UP AT A MEETING AND I'M ALWAYS VOTING AGAINST FLAG LOTS FOR PERSONAL REASONS. AND SO I SAID, WE CAN DO RECENSION AND RECONSIDERATION. AND THE NEXT TIME THOSE PEOPLE DID GET THE FLAG WATTS. AND THAT WAS MY DECISION TO MAKE, I VOTED AGAINST IT. I HAD GOTTEN MY WAY, BUT DECIDED THAT IT WAS MORE FAIR TO HAVE A LARGER MEETING. CAUSE WE ONLY, WE HAD A BARE QUORUM. IT MUST'VE BEEN AFTER A HOLIDAY. AND SO THERE WAS PRECEDENT FOR THAT AND FOR DOING SOMETHING ELSE, I'M JUST POINTING THAT OUT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONER, GARY, AND THEN COMMISSIONER KANE. UM, ONE THING THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT, I HAVEN'T READ IT'S OCCASIONAL INFORMATION, BUT FOR THOSE OF US IN ON THE EAST SIDE OF 35 THAT ARE STUDENTS, MY KIDS, AGAIN, USED TO GO TO AKINS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE PARENTS ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WAS ABOUT THIS. UM, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A CONCERN THAT MAYBE THEY ALSO HAVE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE EDUCATIONAL IMPACTS THAT HE WOULD HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THAT, BUT, UM, THERE'S, I THINK APPEARANCE AND BEING MADE AWARE OF FOR THOSE THAT HAVE THEIR KIDS, MOST OF THEM, OKAY. GET THE BUS TO SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE, BUT OTHERS IT'S GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE. UM, SO I THINK I HAVE THE, MAKING THEM AWARE OF THAT INFORMATION AND WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN. OF COURSE, SCHOOLS HAS TO BEEN IN SESSION FOR AWHILE. SO THAT MAY BE A REASON FOR THEM NOT BEING AWARE, BUT THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO KNOW AS FAR AS BEING INCLUDE INCLUSIVE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF Y'ALL LIVE EAST OF I 35. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE, BUT I KNOW OF THOSE ISSUES THAT WE ENCOUNTER HAVING TO ACCESS WHATEVER WE NEED ON THE WEST SIDE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER. UM, I FORGOT WHO I SAID NEXT. UM, COMMISSIONER KING. THANK YOU CHAIR. YOU KNOW, I, I WENT BACK THIS, UH, WEEKEND AND I, I LISTENED TO THE WHOLE HEARING AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND SO I COULD DOCUMENT AND REALLY UNDERSTAND THE EXTENT OF THE ISSUES AND IT'S PROVIDED IN THE BACKUP HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE, Y'ALL HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE I WENT THROUGH AND DOCUMENT AND I, THERE WERE SEVEN FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT, UH, ISSUES. I MEAN, ISSUES WITH SEVEN SPEAKERS AND THEN A MULTITUDE OF ISSUES WITH, I MEAN, UH, ISSUES WITH, UH, WITH SEVERAL OTHER SPEAKERS. SO IF, IF I, YOU KNOW, I'D LOOK AT MY JOB HERE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND BE INFORMED BY THE PUBLIC. AND IF I CAN'T HEAR THE PUBLIC, THEN I DID NOT RECEIVE THE INFORMATION. AND THEREFORE I'M, I'M REPEATING MYSELF FROM EARLIER, BUT IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE OUR DECISIONS INFORMED BY THE PUBLIC. AND THAT DID NOT HAPPEN [02:00:01] TO A LARGE EXTENT ON THIS CASE. SO I WANT TO SAY FOR THIS INSTEAD OF GOOD PRESIDENT, THAT THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMISSION IS DEDICATED TO AND COMMITTED TO. AND THAT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND IF THERE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES, WE'RE GOING TO GET THOSE ISSUES RESOLVED AND THEN CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO THEREFORE, IF THIS DOES NOT PASS TONIGHT, IF WE ARE GOING TO SET A PRECEDENT THAT DESPITE THESE MULTITUDE OF ISSUES, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T HEAR MUCH, MUCH OF THE TESTIMONY THAT WE, THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC HERE, IF THAT'S THE PRECEDENT WE'RE GOING TO SET, THEN I AM GOING TO USE MY POINT OF ORDER ON FUTURE MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE HAVING SIGNIFICANT DISRUPTIONS AND ASK WHAT THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE STOPPED UNTIL THOSE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO COMPROMISE MY, MY BOTTOM LINE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE OUR DECISIONS INFORMED BY THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER SMITH. I DO NOT APPRECIATE BEING THREATENED BY ONE OF MY PERMISSIONS ON THE DIET. ONE BIT, IF THAT'S THE ATTITUDE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SHARE. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T REALLY, I WOULD HAVE CALLED THEM OUT. I WOULD HAVE CALLED OUT COMMISSIONER KING, BUT I DIDN'T REALLY, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE IT THAT WAY. COMMISSIONER KING, DO YOU WANT TO, WELL, I'M REFERRING TO AN EMAIL THAT FROM ANDREW THAT SAID, THAT REMINDED ME THAT IF I HAVE ISSUES WITH THESE IS THESE KINDS OF ISSUES IN THE FUTURE TO USE POINT OF ORDER COMMISSIONER SMITH. AND I, I WOULD HOPE THAT HAVING SERVED ON COMMISSIONS, YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THAT, YEAH, ACTUALLY WE, YEAH, WE, I COMMISSIONER SMITH. I DIDN'T SEE IT AS PERSONAL. I, I REMEMBER THE EMAIL FROM ANDREW TO, UM, WHY DON'T ANY, I MEAN, I THINK WE WERE PROBABLY STARTING TO GET A LITTLE CRANKY PENCILS, I WOULD SAY, AND IT'S A TIRING THING, SO I'LL LET EACH, WHOEVER ELSE WANTS. I SEE COMMISSIONER EVANS AND, UM, JUST IN REFERENCE, I MEAN, WE'VE HAD THIS EDUCATIONAL IMPACT STATEMENT BROUGHT UP. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT AT THIS TIME, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? OR COULD WE ASK, ARE WE, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? CAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NEW INFORMATION, IF WE'RE TO DELIBERATE THE NEW INFORMATION, THEN THAT IS A HEARING THAT I AM THE PARLIAMENTARIAN. AND SO MY, I READ IT THE SAME WAY YOU DID. THERE WAS NEW INFORMATION THAT WAS NOT PROVIDED PREVIOUSLY. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT WITHOUT OTHER PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO BRING THAT UP. UM, KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MOVED THAT THEY COULD SPEAK ON THE ASCENSION. THE APPLICANT HAS SIGNED UP, BUT IT'S NOT POSTED AS A PUBLIC HEARING SAID, NO, THE THINGS THAT HAVE SPOKEN. SO I THINK WE NEED, I THINK, YEAH. AND LET ME SAY DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION. SO THAT DOES MEAN THAT THERE CAN BE SIGN UPS, BUT, UM, IT WAS ONLY ON THE MERITS OF WHETHER THIS IS NEW INFORMATION OR NOT. AND SO I THINK WE'RE READY. COMMISSIONER DUNKIN. WE HAVEN'T BOOKED HIM ON THE FLOOR, BUT SOMEBODY PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. I THINK THAT'S COMMISSIONER KING. YOU GOTTA UNMUTE PLEASE. UNMUTE DAVID. THERE WE GO. SO, SO LET'S SEE. UH, SO I, I MOVED THAT WE, UH, RESCIND AND RECONSIDER THIS CASE AT THE NEXT ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH IS JUNE, JUNE. I BELIEVE THAT'D BE JUNE THE SIXTH AND THERE'S A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. OKAY. I THINK WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF DISCOUNT COMMISSIONER. WE'VE HAD, OKAY. COMMISSIONER DANCLER I AM, WE'RE NOT POSTPONING IT PAST THAT DAY. I'VE JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. OKAY. THEN ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE RECEPTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. AND REMEMBER IT'S A TWO THIRDS VOTE IS REQUIRED. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, ALL THOSE INVADERS COMMISSIONER DANGLER COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER, DUNKIN COMMISSIONER BERRERA RAMIREZ AND ME. SO THAT IS, I KNOW THE MOTION FAILS BECAUSE WE NEEDED EIGHT VOTES. [02:05:01] BUT, UM, AND SO THAT WAS NOT EIGHT, BUT IT'S ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SORRY, I GOTTA SAY THAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER RAY AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. SO THAT WAS SIX TO, I BELIEVE THAT WAS SIX TO, I THOUGHT WE NEEDED SEVEN VOTES. IT'S TWO THIRDS OF 11. WOULD THAT BE SEVEN VOTES? IT'S SEVEN. THREE. SO IT MEANS IT'S EIGHT. IT HAS TO, YOU HAVE TO ROUND UP. UM, I THINK WE PROBABLY ARE YOU SURE LINGO HAS WEIGHED IN, ON THAT WEIGHING IN ON THIS CHAIR? YEAH. OKAY, ANDREW, BUT WE, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THE, WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THREE VOTES. OKAY. ANDREW WITH THE VACANCY THAT'S SEVEN VOTES. OKAY. SO THAT WAS CHAIR. COULD YOU REPEAT THE VOTE ON THAT PLEASE? ACTUALLY, COULD PEOPLE RAISE THEIR HANDS AGAIN? AND FOR SOME REASON I, I, CAUSE I NEVER COUNT. I'M JUST READING OFF THE NAMES, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. COMMISSIONER. DINKLER COMMISSIONER GEARY, COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER. BERRERA RAMIREZ COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND COMMISSIONER KOBASA. SO THAT IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. UM, AND THEN THOSE OPPOSED OR COMMISSION RAISE YOUR HANDS, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER RAY, AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. AND THAT MAKES FOR YES. AND SO YEAH, I WILL CALL I CAN I JUST SAY, I HOPE THAT BECAUSE OF THIS, THAT THE APPLICANT AND THE, AND THE NEIGHBORS ARE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND COMMISSIONER KING, I, YES, I'LL JUST BE REAL BRIEF. AND UH, TO COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, I DID NOT INTEND THAT TO BE A THREAT WHATSOEVER. I WOULD NEVER DO THAT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ALL I WAS POINTING OUT IS THAT THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ME THAT WHEN WE DO ENCOUNTER THEM, THEN I AM GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DO AS, UH, ANDREW, UH, POINTED OUT THAT WE CAN USE OUR, OUR POINT OF ORDER, UH, A POINT OF PRIVILEGE THERE. SO I, I, I, I, SORRY THAT YOU TOOK IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY I INTENDED IT. AND I, THAT, YEAH, SO, AND THAT SAID, UM, LET'S HOPEFULLY HAVE OUR, UM, OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION REVISION OF THE AUSTIN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. UM, I'M A SPONSOR. AND SO AS COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, [Item D2] BUT THEN D TWO GROUPS WILL MEETINGS FROM VIRTUAL MEETINGS WORKING GROUP, BECAUSE I THINK, I THINK I'M SO GLAD THAT COMMISSIONER KING AND VICE CHAIR BERRERA RAMIREZ PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER BRAY IS ALSO INTERESTED CAUSE I THINK WE DO. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. AND I THINK ACTUALLY SOME OF THE NOT UNDERSTANDING, OR MAYBE TAKING THINGS, SORT OF GETTING A LITTLE HEATED, IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN YOU JUST CAN'T REALLY READ THE PERSON. I MEAN, I'M HAVING TROUBLE SEEING, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE THE BRADY BUNCH IN FRONT OF ME, UM, EXCEPT MORE, UM, SO BACK TO THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS, WORKING GROUP DISCUSSING CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A WORKING GROUP REGARDING ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION, VIRTUAL MEETINGS, UM, WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN, CAN I BE THE MOM? I REALLY LOVE, I WANT TO BE A BLONDE. SO, YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT THESE ROCKETS. SO CAN I BE ADDED LIKE BEING MRS. BRADY? WELL, WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A, CAN YOU CAN BE MRS. BRADY WHO WANTS TO BE ON THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS WORKING AND WE CAN HAVE UP TO FIVE PEOPLE ON IT. UM, SIX WOULD BE A QUORUM. SO COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER BERRERA RAMIREZ COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, AND WHO ELSE? AND COMMISSIONER KING. SO THAT IS FOUR PEOPLE. UM, SO, AND COMMISSIONER GARY, SO FIVE. SO THAT IS FIVE. IF THERE'S ANY OF YOU ALL THAT JUST DIDN'T RAISE YOUR HAND AS QUICKLY. I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE HARD, UM, IF, CAUSE UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER RAY, COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER DINKLER COMMISSIONER SMITH, DID YOU, AGAIN, I THINK JUST A COMMENT. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO ADD THIS COMMITTEE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE MAY BE BACK FEEDING IS A MISSION IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. UM, SO I'M NOT SURE TO EVEN BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING TOGETHER BEFORE, BEFORE WE'RE BACK LEFT, THE GOVERNOR COMES IN PHASES OF MINE OR SOMETHING. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, BUT I WAS ALSO THINKING WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE IN FOR AND THE NEXT YEAR, AND IT'S BETTER PREPARED. SO COMMISSIONER KING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT THERE. AND UH, AND, AND, UH, I SAW THE EMAIL, WE GOT THE EMAIL FROM THE STAFF. I THINK WE ALL DID ABOUT, YOU KNOW, [02:10:01] THE CHANGE IN MAY AFFECT OUR NEXT MEETING. BUT, UH, BUT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING IS IS THAT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE OPTION OF FOLKS BEING ABLE TO DIAL IN. AND, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT WON'T NECESSARILY GO AWAY WHEN EVERYTHING KIND OF SELVES BACK DOWN AGAIN. SO I THINK IT'S KIND OF UNCERTAIN AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS. SO WE MIGHT HAVE A KIND OF A HYBRID SYSTEM HERE FOR, YOU KNOW, A FEW MORE MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD UNTIL, YOU KNOW, TILL IT BECOMES, YOU KNOW, IN PERSON. SO I, I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WILLINGNESS TO HELP OUT THIS AND SHARE. IT LOOKS LIKE IF I COUNTED, RIGHT, WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX. IS THAT WE GOT HERE? IT WAS COMMISSIONER. NO WAS NOT COMMISSIONER DANCLER RIGHT. YOU WERE JUST WANTING TO BE CAROL BRADY. SO YEAH, IT WAS COMMISSIONER GARY. IT WAS COMMISSIONER BRETT. GOTCHA. GOTCHA. AND DUNCAN, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMITTEE THAT I DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE THE QUORUM ISSUE. OKAY. YES. ALL RIGHT. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SHOW THAT VERY STRONGLY, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONERS KEYING IN VERY MIRRORS, PROMOTING OVER AGENDA. AND ESPECIALLY, I COULDN'T PRAY FOR HIS EMAIL THE OTHER DAY, BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS. UM, I DON'T THINK WE ARE. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY, IT'S GOING TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES BEYOND CORONAVIRUS. I THINK WE'RE LEARNING A LOT HERE. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF UPON A DISCUSSION WHICH IS ELIGIBLE HERE. UH, ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE WE SET A COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT HIM TO GET INTO WHAT MY COMMITTEE IS, BUT, UH, I HAVE HAD THE QUESTIONS. MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, WHY ARE WE USING THIS SOFTWARE WHEN THEY'RE ABOUT EIGHT OR NINE OTHERS, INCLUDING ZOOM, WHICH EVERYBODY KNOWS, BUT THAT'S A PROCESS ISSUE, BUT WE'RE NOT WATCHING EVEN THE COUNCIL MEETING. I SEE THAT CROCKETT AND THE ATTORNEY OR SHOW Y CHAT, UH, UH, THE STAFF, UH, WE CAN SEE THEM BECAUSE IT'S A LOT EASIER WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE WHITES OF THEIR EYES. OKAY. UH, OH, I SEE. MAYBE YOU WILL ALL GET IT. AND I DON'T. I SEE, I SEE ONE UP THERE, WHATEVER SHERRY'S TALKING, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT WHY ARE, WHY ARE STAFF NOT LOGGED IN? SO LET ME FINISH SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I AM NOT BECOMING MORE FAMILIAR WITH ZOOM BECAUSE THAT'S MORE UNIVERSALLY USED AND THEY HAVE THINGS LIKE WAITING ROOMS, WHICH FACILITATE THE, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADP PEOPLE LIKE WE HAD LAST WEEK, WHICH BECAME CHAOTIC. THEY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE VIRTUAL BACKGROUNDS, WHICH I KNOW OUR SOFTWARE WILL PROBABLY USE BECAUSE I SEE COUNSELED AND I SEE IT, UH, WITH A, UH, CITY BEHIND HIM AND ONE WITH A BOOKCASE BEHIND HIM. SO I LIKE FOR SOMEBODY TO MAYBE EXPLAIN SOME OF THOSE THINGS, I KNOW SOMETIMES THE OTHER IS, AND I, I WOULD DEFER. I'M SURE IT'S EASIER TO SCREEN-SHARING. I CAN DO THAT ON ZOOM A WHILE AGO, I BECAME VERY AWKWARD. HOW CAN I LOOK AT A REPORT AND THE FACE? THEY JUST, A LOT OF THINGS, JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER EDUCATION. WE MAY NOT NEED A COMMITTEE TO SOLVE IT, BUT WE NEED TO IMPROVE. I MEAN, WE CAN CONTINUE THE WAY WE'RE GOING, UH, AND EXPECT TO HAVE GOOD PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY, OH, COMMISSIONER RAY, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP? UM, BUT THAT'S ALL STUFF FOR YOU TO DECIDE AND FOR YOU TO DISCUSS ON YOUR WORKING GROUP. AND SO THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING. AND IS THERE ONE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO SORT OF BE IN CHARGE TO SET UP THE MEETINGS, ANYBODY WILLING TO DO THAT? OKAY. COMMISSIONER BARRERA. RAMIREZ. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ANDREW. DID WE HAVE A MOTION? UM, OKAY. UM, NO CHAIR. I'M MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS, A WORKING GROUP WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER BRIGHT COMMISSIONER BARRERA, RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER, GIDDY AND COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. OKAY. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER DUNKIN SECONDS. COMMISSIONER KING'S MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S UNANIMOUS. OKAY, GREAT. AND OKAY WITH THAT, THAT IS, [Item E] UM, WE ARE, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO, WHO WANTS TO PRESENT OR WANTS TO ADD A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? AYE. COMMISSIONER BRAY. IT'S SORT OF, AND MAYBE IT'S A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER, BUT, UM, POURED THAT I DID GET TO MAKE EARLIER. UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, UH, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE HAVING A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE KINDA TIRED AT THE END OF THE MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO SAY LIKE, YOU NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I FELT LIKE WITH [02:15:01] THE ITEM ON RETENTION OF THE WHOLE BIT OF IT WAS LIKE JUST, YOU KNOW, BEING TIRED AND NOT, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO MAKE POINTS THAT WE HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE AT THE TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST THINK ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, BE WILLING TO SAY LIKE, HEY, WE'VE, MAYBE SHOULD POSTPONE THE MOTION TILL NEXT WEEK. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A LEGAL THING TO DO, BUT, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKE, MAKE SURE, MAKE SURE, LIKE, WHEN YOU WANT TO BE THOROUGH, BE THOROUGH, DON'T FEEL PRESSURE TO END THE MEETING EARLY. UH, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THE SAME ABOUT IF WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH SPEAKERS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAY, HEY, CAN YOU JUST REPEAT YOUR TESTIMONY AND FIGURE IT OUT? YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE COMMITTEE MEETING. I'M SURE. BUT, AND, UH, I AGREE. I THINK THIS IS REALLY NECESSARY BECAUSE I THINK THE HYPER SYSTEM IS JUST GOING, MAKE IT EVEN MORE COMPLICATED. SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. ANY SUGGESTIONS OR SUGGESTIONS? UM, IF NOT, I THINK WE ARE, I KNOW THERE'S NO COMMITTEE REPORTS OR WORKING GROUPS YET. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING. SO, HEY, THIS IS AN EARLY NIGHT FOR US GIVEN LAST TIME. SO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.