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          THANK YOU. 
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LET ME, LET ME START BY DOING A QUICK ROLL CALL. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ACCOMPLISH THE QUORUM. 
          LET'S SEE, KATHY. 
          CONTUSIVE. 
          I SEE AMANDA. 
          ASINA JONATHAN BARONA I'M ON AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU, JONATHAN. 
          UH, MELISSA ROTHROCK. 
          MELISSA IS PRESIDENT. 
          THANK YOU, MELISSA GUY, EVA WHITE  YON STEWART STEYER. 
           LISA. 
          SO ARE YOU LISA AND MELISSA SCRUGGS. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LET'S EAT ONE MORE BODY. 
           SORRY, SCOTT, FOR THE DELAY. 
          OH, NO WORRIES. 
             OKAY. 
          I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE CITIZEN SIGNED UP. 
          SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THIS LINE HERE. 
          SO GIVE ME JUST SUCH A MOMENT. 
          GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          WELCOME TO THE AUDIO CONFERENCING CENTER. 
          PLEASE ENTER A CONFERENCE ID FOLLOWED BY POUND. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          NOW I'M SEEING THAT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM I'D LIKE TO CALL IT. 
           PLEASE WAIT FOR THE LEADER TO ADMIT YOU TO THE MEETING YOU ARE NOW JOINING THE MEETING. 
           OKAY. 
          WE CAN CONTINUE AS NORMAL. 
          OKAY. 
          HEBA. 
          WELCOME. 
          HELLO. 
          ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. 
          IT'S NOW 
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THREE AND THAT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          THE ACTUAL, THE ACTUAL AGENDA SHOULD BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPROVAL OF THE MAY 15TH MEETING MINUTES. 
          WE'LL START WITH, I SEE, UH, UH, BACK TO A STAFF REAL QUICK WITH ANYONE WHO'S SIGNED UP FOR CITIZENS COMMUNICATION OR WERE THEY SPEAKING TO SPECIFIC ITEMS? JERRY? THIS IS JANIE. 
          THEY'RE SPEAKING TO SPECIFIC ITEMS. UM, JEFFREY JACOB. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'S SPEAKING TO ITEM TWO B AND THREE EIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          TO BE IN THREE A ALRIGHTY. 
          AND, UH, UH, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, 
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DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE APPROVAL OF THE MAY 15TH MINUTES? NO, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. 
          THERE WAS NO ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, REVISIONS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YAN WAS AT YOU MOVING OR JONATHAN? JONATHAN. 
          JONATHAN. 
          THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. 
          JONATHAN MOVES. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          SO YOU, SO SECOND HEARING, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS HEARING? NO DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. 
          ONE AT A TIME. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE, AYE. 
          YOU NOT UNANIMOUS THING VERY MUCH WITH MELISSA SCRUGGS OFF THE, UH, AND AMANDA MUSSINO OFF THE, UH, DIOCESE ARE NOT IN THE MEETING CAUSE THE GUYS THE NEXT, OH, OH, I'M SORRY, AMANDA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOSH. 
          SO YEAH, THIS, THIS TECHNOLOGY STUFF I'M TELLING YA. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          ALL RIGHT GUYS, MOVING ALONG HERE. 
          THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS 
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ITEM TWO AND IT'S LITERALLY 
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JUST THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, I THINK BURNS AND MCDONALD WITH SCOTT PASTERNAK AND SETH CUTTING THE GOING TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION ON THAT. 
          IS THAT CORRECT SCOTT? YES, SIR. 
          YUP. 
          SHOULD I JUST GO AHEAD, BEN. 
          JERRY? YES, PLEASE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          THAT SOUNDS SOUNDS GOOD AS A WAIT FOR JUST A MOMENT FOR THE PRESENTATION TO BE LOADED. 
          MY NAME IS SCOTT PASTERNAK AND I'M SERVING AS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS WORK FOR AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRIEFLY MENTION AS AN AUSTIN RESIDENT FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS NOW, I WANTED TO START OFF BY JUST THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES, UM, SAYING THANK YOU TO ALL OF THE OPERATORS, UH, FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN, WITHIN ARR, AS WELL AS ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR SIDE, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE, THAT ARE FACING A LOT OF UNPRECEDENTED CHALLENGES, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE FACING IN TERMS OF, UM, FACING HEAVY WORKLOADS AND JUST FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A WORKING AT HOME I'M BACK IN THE OFFICE NOW, BUT HAVING WORKED AT HOME OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, BEING ABLE TO, TO SEE FROM A SAFE DISTANCE, THE, UH, THE GUYS AND GALS COMING INTO MY HOUSE WEEKEND AND WEEK OUT. 
          SO I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE DOING. 
          UM, AS WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, AS, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S NOT JUST MYSELF, SCOTT PASTERNAK, AND ALSO SETH CUNNINGHAM. 
          SETH IS GOING TO LEAD THE FOLLOWING PRESENTATION. 
          THAT'S GOING TO FOCUS ON OUR WORK ON THE C AND D ECONOMIC STUDY. 
          REALLY ALSO HAVE OTHER KEY MEMBERS OF OUR PROJECT TEAM WITH US HERE TODAY WITH JONATHAN GEISEL'S AND ERIC WEISS AT BURNS AND MAC. 
          AND THEN LARRY SCHOOLER OF CDMP WHO'S LEADING THESE STAKEHOLDER INPUT PROCESS ON THE MASTER PLAN IS ALSO ON THE LINE. 
          SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE THIS WHACK WITH THE FIRST OF THREE UPDATES ON THE ZERO WASTE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND IF YOU'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COVER WITH YOU ON TODAY'S AGENDA. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO START OFF WITH AN OVERVIEW AND WE'LL PROGRESS UPDATE, AND THEN DIVE INTO SOME OF THE KEY ASPECTS OF THE WORK THAT IS ONGOING, WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING FROM THE STAKEHOLDER INPUT PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN SHARE WITH YOU SOME OF THE KEY ANALYSIS AND RESEARCH THAT THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED AND IS ONGOING. 
          AND THEN TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF BIG PICTURE AT THIS POINT 10,000 FOOT KIND OF LEVEL, AS FAR AS THOUGHTS ON ZERO WASTE GOALS AND METRICS, AND THEN WRAP UP WITH ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR US. 
          SO GOING ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE TO DISCUSS THE OVERVIEW AND PROGRESS UPDATE, WE HAVE TWO SLIDES ON THIS. 
          SO THIS FIRST ONE COMMUNICATES FROM A BIG PICTURE PERSPECTIVE AND STAY ON THIS SLIDE FOR A MOMENT. 
          UM, BUT THEN THE FOLLOWING SLIDE WE'LL GET INTO MUCH MORE DETAIL ON A TASK BY TASK BASIS AND ALSO COMMUNICATE OUR SCHEDULE OR THE PROJECT. 
          SO AGAIN, THIS SLIDE BEFORE YOU AS INTENDED TO COMMUNICATE FROM A BIG PICTURE GRAPHIC PERSPECTIVE, UM, OUR PLANNING PROCESS. 
          SO MOVING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT, IT'S IT STARTING WITH, UM, EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ANALYSIS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHICH I WILL GO OVER THAT WITH YOU ALL TODAY. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE TO WORK WITH NOT JUST ARR, BUT ALSO OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AND ENTITIES LIKE SLACK TO LOOK, TO ESTABLISH THE PLAN, GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. 
          UM, AND THEN FROM THAT TO DEVELOP THE PREFERRED STRATEGIES THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS MASTER PLANNING EFFORT, AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE WILL DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN UPDATE FOR ARR. 
          THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE THE TIMING OF WHEN THOSE KEY STRATEGIES WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED AS WELL AS SOME OF THEIR KEY, UH, FINANCIAL ASPECTS. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALREADY DEVELOPED AN OUTLINE OF THE UPDATE FOR THE MASTER PLAN AND LATER WE'LL PROVIDE MULTIPLE DRAFTS TO THE CITY. 
          AND THEN IT YOU'LL SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE A EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT WITH NOT ONLY OUR STAFF, BUT ALSO A NUMBER OF STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC. 
          SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS ONE GIVES YOU A SENSE OF THE KEY TASKS THAT WE ARE COMPLETING AS A PART OF THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN THOSE SIX TASKS OR IDENTIFIED OVER ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          AND THEN THE SCHEDULE IS ACROSS THE BALANCE OF THIS SLIDE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT EACH OF THE DIFFERENT ICONS MEANS, THERE'S A LEGEND THAT COMMUNICATES THAT. 
          SO OUR FIRST TASK WAS TO COMPLETE A RESEARCH AND BENCHMARKING, AND THAT WAS WORK THAT WE DID COMPLETE THE DRAFTS OF AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND THEN FOR TASK NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS, IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW, THIS INVOLVES THE RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS OF 16 DIFFERENT TOPICS, BUT THEY ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY'S RFP FOR THE PROJECT. 
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AND I HAVE A SLIDE LATER THAT WILL IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE 16 TOPICS ARE. 
          ALSO LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, I WILL PRESENT SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE FIRST TASK AND THEN TASK NUMBER THREE IS THE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT EFFORT. 
          WHAT THIS COMMUNICATES IS THAT, UM, WE'VE DONE, UH, EXTENSIVE PLANNING UP TILL NOW AND LATER THIS MONTH IN JUNE, WE WILL START WHERE THE PUBLIC FACING ASPECTS OF THOSE FOCUS GROUPS AND THEN TASK NUMBER FOUR IS THE EFFORTS TO DEVELOP THE OUTLINE WHICH WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR ARR AS WELL AS LATER IN THE YEAR, MULTIPLE DRAFTS OF THE PLAN. 
          UM, IN THE PAST NUMBER FIVE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH THE SQUARES REPRESENTING ARR LEADERSHIP IS WHACK. 
          YOU GUYS ARE THE DIAMONDS. 
          SO TODAY REPRESENTS THE FIRST OF THREE MEETINGS WITH YOU ALL. 
          AND LATER ON, I WE'RE PLANNING TO HAVE SEPARATE MEETINGS, BUT RELATIVELY CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEIR TIMING WITH AR LEADERSHIP AS WELL AS WHACK. 
          SO THAT EVERYBODY'S WELL INFORMED OF OUR PLANNING PROCESS AND AT THE END, UH, TO COMMUNICATE, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS AND FINDINGS TO CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN TASK NUMBER SIX ARE TO START ONGOING EFFORTS FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO IF WE GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS GIVES SOME PERSPECTIVE OF OUR APPROACH FOR STAKEHOLDER INPUT. 
          PLEASE GO TO THE SLIDE AFTER THAT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE BEST, BEST MADE PLANS, RIGHT? SO WE WERE JUST ON, ON THE, AND THAT WAS STARTING POINT OF, UH, REALLY LOOKING TO LAUNCH OUR STAKEHOLDER INPUT PROCESS AND THEN, UM, COVID-19 HEAD. 
          AND SO WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY AND I, AND I THINK VERY SEAMLESSLY WITH THE CITY AND SPECIFICALLY WITH MANY STAFF FROM AR TO REALLY HIT IT, UM, VERY SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, TO CONTINUE STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT, UM, UH, TO DO THIS IN A, IN A VERY SAFE, MEANINGFUL, AND TIMELY MANNER. 
          SO, WHEREAS BEFORE WE HAD VERY MUCH, UH, GETTING OUT INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN TYPE OF A STAKEHOLDER OUTREACH OUTREACH INITIATIVE, UH, BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH, WITH COVID-19, UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE VIRTUAL. 
          AND SO WE ARE PLANNING TO LAUNCH, UH, VARIOUS FOCUS GROUP DISCUSSIONS, UH, VIA VIRTUAL MEETINGS. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HAVING CDMP AS A PART OF OUR TEAM, LARRY, AS AN EXTENSIVE NUMBER OF THESE TYPES OF MEETINGS. 
          AND I THINK FOR THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN FACILITATING A NUMBER OF TRAVIS COUNTY, IN FACT. 
          UM, AND SO IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL ALSO BE HOSTING OTHER VIRTUAL COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, UM, IN THIS MANNER AS WELL. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH AR ABOUT WHETHER WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET BACK TO THE PUBLIC FACING MEETINGS, BUT WHY THIS QUITE HONESTLY, SINCE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMING OF THAT MAY BE, UH, WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THE REMAINDER OF OUR OUTREACH EFFORTS TO BE COMPLETED IN A VIRTUAL MANNER. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAVE A GOOD STRATEGY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          SO GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE OF SOME OF OUR KEY ANALYSIS IN RESEARCH. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT STARTS WITH, WITH THE FOLLOWING SLIDES. 
          SO AS, AS WE SAID, PAST NUMBER ONE, FOCUSED ON, UM, SENSE OF BENCHMARKING AND OTHER RESEARCH, UM, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SLOT PART OF THIS SLIDE AND ALL THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED TO AS KEY FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO HELP INFORM THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE. 
          SO THIS NEXT SLIDE SUMMARIZES SOME OF THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE BENCHMARKING THAT WE COMPLETED. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE CITY OF AUSTIN THERE WITH SOME OF THE ONE INCH TEXT. 
          AND THEN ON THE LEFT SIDE, WE CAN IDENTIFY ALL OF THE CITIES THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THIS BENCHMARKING. 
          SO THESE ARE ALL CITIES THAT HAVE, UM, EITHER SPECIFIC, UH, ZERO WASTE PLANS, UM, OR, UM, RECENT INITIATIVES TO HAVE, UH, LOFTY RECYCLING AND DIVERSION GOALS. 
          AND SO JUST LOOKING AT AUSTIN, UM, WE CAN SEE WHAT THEIR, WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE FOR THE CITY, BUT RATHER THAN I GO THROUGH THIS JUST STRAIGHT AWAY FROM THIS SLIDE, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS TO TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THIS SLIDE. 
          AND YES, THIS ONE HERE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO THE FIRST, THE FIRST KEY FINDING COMMUNICATES THAT HAVE THESE 13 CITIES, AUSTIN DIVERSION RATE REALLY TRAILS THE WEST COAST CITIES LIKE LA PORTLAND, SAN DIEGO, AND IN SEATTLE IN TERMS OF WHERE THEY ARE IN TERMS OF THE DIVERSION RATE. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION THAT WE CITIES THAT HAVE DIVERSION RATES HAVE BEEN DOING THIS, UM, LONGER, UM, IN MANY CASES THAN 
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IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          AND THEY ALSO HAD A NUMBER OF MANDATES AND OR ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS IN PLACE AS WELL AS HIGHER LANDFILL TREES. 
          AND ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING FINDINGS THAT I WAS SOMEWHAT INTRIGUED ABOUT IS THE THIRD ONE. 
          AND IN THAT IS THAT CITIES THAT CONSIDER MULTIPLE GENERATOR TYPES AND THEIR DIVERSION RATE CALCULATIONS GENERALLY HAVE HIGHER DIVERSION RATE. 
          SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO BACK THAT PRIOR SLIDE AND I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SLIDE UNDER THE CATEGORY OF WASTE GENERATION CONSIDERED, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN, AS WELL AS THE CITIES WILL HIRE THE VIRGIN LEADS, ALL CONSIDER A SINGLE FAMILY, COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY AND C AND D IN THEIR DIVERSION RATE CALCULATIONS. 
          AND WHAT WE REALIZED THAT THIS, UM, WE THINK NEEDS IS THAT ZERO WAYS TO TRULY BECOME, UM, TRUE FABRIC OF ANY OF THESE COMMUNITIES. 
          SO THAT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU'RE AT HOME OUT AT A RESTAURANT AT A BUSINESS, YOU HAVE THE ZERO WASTE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, OR DIVERSION. 
          AND SO I THINK IT'S A CREDIT TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO BE FORWARD THINKING IN THAT REGARD, AS YOU'LL SEE THAT SO MANY OF THE OTHER STUDENTS THAT HAVE LOWER VERSION RATES HAVE FEWER CHECK. 
          IF WE GO BACK TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'LL WALK THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF THESE ITEMS. AND AS I SAID ON AN ITEM NUMBER FOR A NUMBER OF THESE CITIES THAT HAVE HIGHER DIVERSION RATES WE'LL REQUIRE RECYCLING MANDATES AND ORDER ENFORCEMENTS, AND THEN ALSO MATERIAL PANTS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, AUSTIN DOES HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH IS THERE'S A LACK OF DETAIL ON COMMERCIAL WASTE GENERATION, BUT THIS IS A VERY COMMON DATA GAP AMONGST OTHER CITIES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT LATER IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT THE WAY IN WHICH AUSTIN FRAMED ZERO WASTE AS A VISION IS VERY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH OTHER INDUSTRY AND MUNICIPAL DEFINITIONS. 
          AND AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE TO YOU IN A LADDER SLIDE OF EACH PRESENTATION, WHAT OUR PERSPECTIVE IS IN TERMS OF WHAT ZERO WASTE MEANS, NOT ONLY FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BUT FOR MANY OF THE INSTITUTION WE GET. 
          SO IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND COMMUNICATE SOME OF THE KEY FINDINGS, EXCUSE ME, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, FROM OUR ANALYSIS. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, THE FIRST ONE IS THAT, UM, OUR OPINION THAT SOME COMPLIMENTARY MEASUREMENT METHODS, IDEAS LIKE A DISPOSAL RATE AND A CAPTURE RATE AS POSSIBLY ZERO WEEKS AGO HERE IN THE WEBEX, I'M ON THE WEBEX. 
          AND I CAN HEAR IT. 
           RIGHT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          GO ON. 
          UM, AND SO WITH NUMBER ONE, UH, THAT IT OFFERS A, A MORE COMPREHENSIVE MEASURE OF PROGRESS. 
          AND SO IN OTHER WORDS, RATHER THAN ONLY LOOKING AT THE BIG PICTURE DIVERSION RATE, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT SOME, UM, CITIES, AND, AND I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE, AT THE FRONT END OF THIS, BUT SOME CITIES ARE WORKING AT OTHER TYPES OF MEASUREMENT, UM, EFFORTS LIKE DISPOSAL, RIGHT? RATES AND CAPTURE RATES. 
          A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THIS WOULD BE BOTH SEATTLE AND SAN FRANCISCO. 
          IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE RIGHT THERE. 
          YOU'LL NOTICE WHO'S AT THE VERY BOTTOM IT'S SAN FRANCISCO. 
          UM, WHILE SAN FRANCISCO HAS BY ONE OF THE MOST, UM, SOPHISTICATED ZERO WASTE PROGRAMS IN THE COUNTRY, WE PLACED THEM AT THE BOTTOM BECAUSE RIGHT. 
          THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO PUBLISH A DIVERSION RATE BECAUSE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, WE DON'T THINK THAT THEY DON'T THINK THAT IT'S PARTICULARLY INDICATIVE OF THE PROGRESS THAT THEY'RE MAKING. 
          SO WHILE WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDING THAT TO BE THE CASE FOR AUSTIN, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS IMPORTANT INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH YOU FROM OUR BENCHMARK. 
          SO IF YOU COULD PLEASE GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION SLIDE AND SOME OTHER KEY ISSUES HERE IS THAT THERE'S A NEED TO EVALUATE OPTIONS TO OBTAIN, UM, MORE DETAILED DATA FROM HOLLERS. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO BE A PART OF WHAT WE'RE PRESENTLY DOING UNDER THE TASK TO RESEARCH. 
          AND THEN THE CITY IS EMBARKING SOON ON A WASTE CHARACTERIZATION ANALYSIS. 
          AND SO WE'VE PROVIDED DETAILED RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CITY ON HOW TO COMPLETE THIS MOST EFFECTIVELY BY LOOKING INTO CAPTURE RATES. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO EVALUATE THE CONTENTS OF RESIDENTIAL SET OUTS THROUGH EFFORTS LIKE CART AUDIT, DATA ENTRY, AS WELL AS NOTICES FOR CONTAMINATION. 
          AND SO MIKE TURNER, WHO I BELIEVE IS ON THE CALL TODAY, HIS TEAM AND AR IS LEADING AN EFFORT FOR THAT. 
          AND MIKE ALSO HAS THE LEAD ROLE IN THAT WASTE CHARACTERIZATION EFFORTS. 
          SO WE HOPE THAT OUR ANALYSIS HAS PROVIDED SOME KEY BENEFIT TO MIKE AND HIS TEAM IN THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          SO MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, GIVE ME A MOMENT TO, TO TAKE THIS IN. 
          UM, 
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SO WHAT THIS COMMUNICATES HERE IS EACH OF THE 16 DIFFERENT RESEARCH TOPICS THAT I, THAT ARR IDENTIFIED AS A PART OF OUR TASK TO RESEARCH. 
          SO ROCKET A WALKTHROUGH, UH, ANY OF THESE REALLY, UH, IN ANY DETAIL AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE EFFORTS ARE ONGOING, BUT WE PRESENTED THIS TODAY AS, AS A WORD CLOUD, UH, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE, UH, VERY MUCH REALIZED BASED ON EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH ARR THAT THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INTERRELATIONSHIPS WITH SO MANY OF THESE DIFFERENT TOPICS, BUT IT'S OUR ANALYSIS HERE. 
          THAT'S BEING DONE TO INFORM, UH, THE ZERO WASTE PLAN. 
          SO GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE POLICE. 
          SO ULTIMATELY IN TASK NUMBER FOUR, WE WILL BE UPDATING THE ZERO WASTE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND SO THIS SLIDE SIMPLY COMMUNICATES WHAT THE 25 CHAPTERS ARE FROM THE 2011 PLAN. 
          AND SO WE HAVE DEVELOPED AN OUTLINE THAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO NR THAT COMMUNICATES A SPECIFIC ASPECTS OF THAT PLAN, THAT WE ARE READY TO UPDATE BASED ON THE RESULTS OF TASK NUMBERS, ONE AND TWO. 
          SO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, I WANTED TO JUST WRAP UP THIS PRESENTATION BY PROVIDING SOME PERSPECTIVE ON SOME KEY, ZERO WASTE GOALS AND METRICS IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE VERY MUCH STILL IN THE RESEARCH AND ANALYSIS PHASE OF THIS WORK. 
          SO SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE ARE, ARE REALLY CONCEPTUAL, BUT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THEM WITH WHACK RELATIVELY EARLY IN THE PROCESS. 
          WHAT YOU SEE HERE ARE KEY ZERO WASTE CONCEPTS FROM THE BENCHMARKING THAT WE DID, WE EVALUATED WHAT THE ZERO WASTE VISIONS AND GOALS ARE AMONGST NOT ONLY THE BENCHMARK CITIES THAT HAVE THEM, BUT, UM, INDUSTRY ENTITIES. 
          AND WHAT WE'VE DEVELOPED IS THESE COUPLE OF STATEMENTS THAT WE THINK ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE. 
          SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, I'LL JUST READ THESE VERY QUICKLY. 
          UM, AND THAT IS FIRST OFF THAT ZERO WASTE IS NOT A STATIC DEFINED BENCHMARK OF ELIMINATING LANDFILL DISPOSAL OF THE WASTE, BUT RATHER IT IS A VISION OR A PHILOSOPHY AROUND WHICH COMMUNITIES AND SOCIETY SHOULD DEVELOP AND ADAPT THEIR MATERIALS MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AND CULTURE. 
          ALSO ZERO WASTE IS A VISION OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT FOR AGGRESSIVELY WORKING TOWARD MAXIMIZING USE OF RESOURCES AND MINIMIZING ADVERSE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS AND MATERIAL DISPOSAL. 
          SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF OUR PERSPECTIVES ON ZERO WASTE, AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PLANNING. 
          SO THEN ON THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE LOOKING BACK AT THE 2011 PLAN, UM, AND WHAT THOSE GOALS ARE, WE WANTED TO COMMUNICATE THEM, BUT THEN ALSO PROVIDE SOME PERSPECTIVES IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ALMOST 10 YEARS LATER. 
          UH, SO THE, THE 2011 PLAN DEFINITELY HAD VERY LOFTY GOALS. 
          UM, AND WE DEFINITELY THINK THAT THOSE GOALS ARE, ARE VERY MEANINGFUL, UH, BUT WE WANTED TO PUT THEM IN PERSPECTIVE RELATIVE TO THE 2020. 
          AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, THE GOAL THAT WAS IN THE 2011 PLAN FOR 2020, WHICH WAS DIVERTING 75% OF SOLID WASTE FROM LANDFILLS AND INCINERATORS. 
          SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM HALF OF THIS SLIDE, IN TERMS OF THOSE 2020 PERSPECTIVES, UH, YOUR CURRENT DIVERSION RATE OF 42%, WHILE IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THAT 75% NUMBER, IT STILL ONLY TRAILS OR THE WEST COAST CITIES. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO, THOSE WEST COAST CITIES HAVE A MUCH LONGER ZERO WASTE FOCUS MANDATES AND OR HIGHER LANDFILL COSTS. 
          AND SO AS WE'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON THIS ZERO WASTE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, WE THINK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN THAT LONG TERM ZERO WASTE VISION, SUCH AS THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED ABOVE, BUT TO REALLY FOCUS ON, ON SETTING, UM, MAYBE CHALLENGING, BUT STILL ACHIEVABLE INTERIM GOALS ON FIVE-YEAR TYPE OF A BASIS. 
          AND SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH, UM, ARR AS WELL AS WAC AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO CONSIDER REFINING METRICS AS A PART OF THIS MASTER PLANNING. 
          AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE GETS INTO, UM, SOME PERSPECTIVE ON, UM, ANOTHER CITY IN THIS CASE, SEATTLE, UH, BECAUSE WE THINK THAT IT PROVIDES SOME PERSPECTIVE ON A POTENTIAL PATH FORWARD FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN. 
          SO, SO IN THE CASE OF SEATTLE, THEY'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A VERY LONG TIME, IN FACT, GOING BACK TO THE LATE 1980S. 
          AND SO, UM, CAS CITY OF SEATTLE HAS BEEN ABLE TO, UH, INITIALLY INCREASE THEIR, UH, DIVERSION RATE PRIMARILY THROUGH THE ADOPTION OF RECYCLING PROGRAM, WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS DONE. 
          AND, UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOES HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL YARD TRIMMINGS, UH, PROGRAM, BUT JUST RECENTLY ROLLED OUT THE CITYWIDE ORGANICS PROGRAM, 
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WHICH SEATTLE HASN'T HAD IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE BASED ON, UH, WHAT'S IN THE GREEN COLOR, REPRESENTS THE INCREASE IN ORGANICS, UM, OVER TIME. 
          AND SO WHAT THIS SLIDE REALLY IS COMMUNICATING THAT IT'S BEEN A, A LONG JOURNEY, UH, FOR THE CITY OF SEATTLE, BUT THEY'VE MADE PROGRESS IN, IN NOT ONLY INCREASING THEIR OVERALL RECYCLING RATE TO JUST ADD ABOUT 60% A GOOD OVER THE COURSE OF THAT TIME TO ALSO SET GOALS AND ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS FOR REDUCING THE QUANTITY OF MATERIALS THAT ARE GOING INTO LANDFILLS AS WELL. 
          AND ORGANICS HAS BEEN A KEY PART OF THAT STRATEGY FOR THE CITY OF SEATTLE. 
          SO THEN JUST GOING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE, AND THIS IS THE LAST ONE THAT I'LL WRAP UP WITH, UH, ACTUALLY TWO MORE. 
          UM, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO COMMUNICATE TODAY TO WACK IS TO CONSIDER SETTING GOALS, UTILIZING ALTERNATIVE OR COMPLIMENTARY AND METRICS THAT WE'LL CONFERENCE WITH CAPTURE PROGRESS TOWARDS YOUR WAIST. 
          AND SO SOME OF THOSE GOALS ARE COMMUNICATED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M REALLY LOOKING TO FOCUS ON CONTINUING TO REDUCE LANDFILL TONNAGE, INCREASING THE CAPTURE OF PROGRAM MATERIALS, AND THEN, UM, FOR SOME OTHER CATEGORIES, UM, MAYBE INVOLVING THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR OR OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS LOOKING AT GOALS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON TOPICS SUCH AS INCREASING ACCESS AS WELL AS PARTICIPATION. 
          SO WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ARE JUST NOW PERSPECTIVES OR IDEAS OF WHAT THOSE METRICS MAY HAVE. 
          UH, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, ANYTHING THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO BE FURTHER EVALUATED DURING THE PLANNING PROGRESS PROCESS. 
          AND OUR RECOMMENDATION WILL BE TO ASSESS AND EVALUATE, UH, WHATEVER, UH, GOALS BECOME, UM, TOWARD MEETING THOSE METRICS ON A FIVE YEAR BASIS. 
          SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH AR TO EFFECTIVELY EVALUATE WHETHER THESE ARE THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVES AND THEN WHAT THEIR METRICS SHOULD BE ROUTE THE COURSE OF THE, OF THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE DO HAVE DATA FROM 2015, FROM THAT WASTE CHARACTERIZATIONS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CALCULATE FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THE CAPTURE RATE IS PRESENTLY VARIOUS TYPES OF MATERIALS, AND THEN CAN WORK WITH ARR TO DEVELOP GOALS IN TERMS OF HOW TO LOOK TO INCREASE THOSE CAPTURE RATES OVER THE COURSE OF SAY THE NEXT TIME, THEN MY NEXT NEXT AND LAST SLIDE IS ONE TO REALLY JUST LEAVE YOU ALL WITH SOME, SOME THOUGHTS TO CONTEMPLATE DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS. 
          AND THESE RIGHT NOW ARE SIMPLY QUESTIONS AND IDEAS. 
          THEY ARE NOT YET RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          UM, BUT WHAT WE WANTED TO THROW OUT THERE IS JUST THE, THE IDEA THAT IF AUSTIN IS GOING TO LOOK TO MAKE CONTINUED ZERO WASTE PROGRESS, THAT THERE MAY BE A NEED TO CONSIDER MULTIPLE POLICY DECISIONS. 
          AND SO, UH, WITH THE ROLLOUT OF THE URL, THERE DEFINITELY ARE SOME REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ON THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR LOOKING TO ENHANCE WHAT CAN BE DONE FROM A REPORTING PERSPECTIVE COULD BE VERY MEANINGFUL TO HELP THE CITY BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR PROGRESS AND WHAT PROGRAMS ARE, UH, SUCCESSFUL AND WHAT PROGRAMS COULD POTENTIALLY BE UPDATED OR CHANGED. 
          AND AGAIN, NOT NECESSARILY RECOMMENDING THIS AT THIS POINT. 
          HOWEVER, IF THE CITY DOES WANT TO WORK TO ACHIEVE GOALS SIMILAR TO SOME OF THOSE WEST COAST CITIES, ALL OF THEM DO HAVE ACTIVITIES LIKE MANDATORY RECYCLING PARTICIPATION ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS AND INDOOR BANDS. 
          AND SO, UH, THIS MAY BE A TOPIC THAT THE CITY OF AUSTIN NEEDS TO EXPLORE FURTHER IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THOSE GOALS. 
          SO WITH THAT, UM, THAT WRAPS UP THE PRESENTATION PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. 
          BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR US. 
          YOU'RE ON MUTE STILL. 
          JERRY. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. 
          THIS IS LISA. 
          THIS IS LISA. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          SO, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS FOR THIS PRESENTATION. 
          I, UM, I REALLY ENJOY SEEING THIS SORT OF HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE AND GETTING TO SEE THIS EARLY IN THE STAGE THEY PRESENTATION WHERE YOU REFER TO THE CURRENT DIVERSION RATE OF 42%. 
          WHEN YOU SAY CURRENT, IS THAT JUST ON THE 2015 NUMBERS OR IS IT STILL 42% IN 2020? NO, THAT THAT'S BASED ON THE NUMBERS. 
          THE REASON WHY WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN COMPLETED 
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THAT DETAILED CHARACTERIZATION ANALYSIS. 
          AND, AND SO RIGHT NOW THE CITY IS IN THE PROCESS, I BELIEVE OF STARTING THAT NEXT WEEK ON THE CHARACTERIZATION WORK. 
          SO, UM, HOPEFULLY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS OR SO, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE OF WHAT THE TIME IS THAT WORKS. 
          IT'S, WE'RE NOT PERFORMING THAT WITH THE CITY, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY SOMETIME IN THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS OR YEAR OR SO, I WILL HAVE UPDATED DATA TO THAT 2015 INFORMATION. 
          GREAT. 
          YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GO JUST BECAUSE 2020 WAS ONE OF THE YEARS THAT WAS SORT OF EARMARKED FOR A, I THINK 70% DIVERSION RATE. 
          SO IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN RELATION TO WHAT WAS PROJECTED, UH, OR PROPOSED AT THE VERY BEGINNING. 
          UM, BUT THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I DID COMMISSION ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, YEAH, THIS IS, UH, AMANDA MUSSINO. 
          I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT PRESENTATION. 
          THE FIRST QUESTIONS ARE MORE DETAIL ORIENTED ORIENTED ABOUT SEATTLE. 
          UM, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR GRAPH OF THE TIMELINE OF SEATTLE, UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR DIVERSION, BUT THEN ALSO THEIR WASTE GENERATION OVER TIME. 
          WHEN DID SEATTLE IMPLEMENT THEIR FEES? IS THAT 2002, 2003? DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THERE'S A SLIGHT UPTICK IN THE DIVERSION, THE RED DIVERSION LINE. 
          I'M WONDERING IF THAT MATCHES UP, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU GIVE US JUST, JUST A MOMENT, UM, WITH, WITH HAVING JONATHAN ON THE LINE, WE DO HAVE A WORD DETAILED CASE STUDY THAT WE COMPLETED AS PART OF OUR INITIAL RESEARCH FOR SEATTLE. 
          SO JONATHAN, WOULD YOU MIND TAKING A LOOK AT THAT INFORMATION TO SEE WHETHER WE HAVE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL INCLUDED THERE? SO IF YOU CAN GIVE US JUST A MOMENT TO CHECK AND SEE IF JONATHAN CAN FIND BACK IN, IN A MOMENT WITH THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 
          SO DO YOU MIND? YEAH, WELL, I HAVE A MORE, I HAVE A MORE GENERAL QUESTION, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SEATTLE CASE STUDY. 
          SO WHEN YOU MENTIONED GETTING MORE INFORMATION FROM HOLLERS AND BEING ABLE TO GET MORE DETAIL ON WASTE CHARACTERIZATION, COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PROCESS CHANGE VERSUS HOW MUCH MIGHT REQUIRE PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT OR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL? YEAH, I THINK IT'S MORE OF THE CHANGE IN THE PROCESSES AND IGNORE REQUIREMENTS RATHER THAN AN INCREASE IN PERSONNEL OR EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, WITH REGARD TO THE CHARACTERIZATION WORK, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT AUSTIN IS, IS HIRED OR IS HIRING A CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT YEAH. 
          AT WORK. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, WHICH IS VERY TYPICAL AS FAR AS HOW THAT THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS ARE COMPLETED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT IT'S REALLY JUST A MATTER OF, SO THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THROUGH SAY THAT YOU BORROW IN TERMS OF DATA THAT CAN BE PROVIDED. 
          MMM. 
          AND SOME OF THAT DATA IS, IS MEANINGFUL. 
          THEN ANOTHER CASES THERE ARE GAPS IN THAT DATA. 
          SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'VE RECOGNIZED AND DISCUSSED TO THIS POINT WHERE THEY ARE BASED ON THE TASK ONE RESEARCH RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EVALUATING ADDITIONAL OPTIONS TO ENHANCE THAT DATA COLLECTION SO THAT THE CITY GET MORE COMPREHENSIVE UNDERSTANDING OF SOME OF THOSE WASTE AND RECYCLING GENERATION. 
          AND THIS IS MIKE TURNER QUALITY ASSURANCE DIVISION MANAGER FOR AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY. 
          UM, SOME OF YOU CONDITIONERS MAY REMEMBER I INTRODUCED THE RQS TEAM PART OF QUALITY ASSURANCE, THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY SERVICES TEAM. 
          AND THEN WE'RE DEDICATED TO LOOKING AT, UM, HOW CITIZENS ARE USING ART CARTS. 
          SO THAT'S THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. 
          UM, THE THINGS THAT, UM, MAX IS INTRODUCING WITH THIS MASTER PLAN UPDATE IS DIFFERENT TYPES OF ANALYSIS, SUCH AS A CAPTURE RATE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO THOSE ARE AREAS WHERE WE'RE EXPANDING. 
          UH, WE'LL CONTINUE TO EXPAND OUR CURRENT ANALYSIS BY LOOKING AT SET OUT READY. 
          UM, AND WE'RE ALSO IMPLEMENTING A CUSTOMER PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM WHERE WE'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT THE INDIVIDUAL CARDS AND COMMUNICATING WITH CUSTOMERS AT THAT LEVEL. 
          WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WAYS TO EXPAND LOOKING AT, UM, THE COMMERCIAL SIDE OF WASTE COLLECTION IS A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, A PORTION THAT WE DON'T CONTROL. 
          SO WE USE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BURNS IT BACK IS RECOMMENDING THOSE PARTICULAR PROCESSES THAT WE CAN USE TO IMPLEMENT. 
          SO WE CAN GET A BETTER VIEW OF WHAT THE MARSHALL CALLERS 
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ARE DOING AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          AH, SURE. 
          I'LL GO. 
          I'M WONDERING IF, AS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS, A LOT OF THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING DONE, UM, LOOKING AT RAW DATA, UH, OF COURSE, AND STATISTICS AND PUTTING METRICS OUT THERE, WHICH GREAT. 
          UM, IS PART OF IT ALSO GOING TO INCLUDE SOME OF THE MOTIVATION LEVELS. 
          ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? IS THAT PART OF THE SCOPE IN TERMS OF WHETHER I'M FOCUSING ON THE CITY ARE WELL-INFORMED AS TO THE BENEFITS OF RECYCLING THAT WE, IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS CERTAIN TYPES OF CONCERNS THAT THEY HAVE, OR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, IS THERE, IS THERE A LACK OF MOTIVATION OF SOME SORT, ARE WE GOING TO GET ANY, ANY INFORMATION LIKE THAT AND, AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF SOME OF THOSE FACTORS MIGHT BE RELATIVE TO THE MORE, I GUESS, LOGISTICS AREAS THAT I THINK HAVE BEEN THE FOCUS OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SO FAR? OKAY. 
          THIS IS MIKE TURNER AGAIN FROM QUALITY ASSURANCE. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, HAPPENS IN AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY IS THE QUALITY ASSURANCE DIVISION PARTNERS WITH THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES DIVISION. 
          AND SO STRATEGIC INITIATIVES IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EDUCATION AND OUTREACH AND GINA MCKINLEY COULD SPEAK MORE TO THAT. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE RQS TEAM, THE RESIDENTIAL QUALITY SERVICES TEAM IS TO TAKE THAT DATA, WHAT WE SEE IN OUR CARTS AND COMMUNICATE THAT WITH THE CUSTOMERS, UM, AND SET A BASELINE. 
          AND SO A LOT OF THINGS ARE, ARE ON HOLD UNTIL WE CAN DO THIS INITIAL, UM, CAPTURE RATE STUDY. 
          SO WE CAN SET A BASELINE AND THEN STRATEGIC INITIATIVES WORKING WITH US AND OTHER PARTNERS WILL, UM, CONTINUE TO SEE AN EDUCATION OUTREACH TO THOSE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE USING OUR SERVICES. 
          AND THAT WAY WE CAN MONITOR IF THAT EDUCATION OUTREACH IS SUCCESSFUL BY MONITORING, IF DIVERSION INCREASES OR CONTAMINATION GOES DOWN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          SO IT'S A PARTNERSHIP IS EDUCATION AND ANALYSIS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          SO YES, THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES, BUT I THINK MR. SPIKES HAD SOME INPUT HE WANTED TO GIVE. 
          YEAH, JUST, JUST QUICKLY. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, UM, YOU KNOW, IN COMPASSION TO THE SYSTEM IN SEATTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IS THAT ANY SYSTEM YOU'RE GOING TO HIT A POINT AT WHICH, UM, THE VERSION KIND OF RUNS INTO A WALL. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH IS IMPLEMENTING BANDS AND, UH, PUSHING THE BAR THAT WAY, WHERE YOU IDENTIFY THOSE CRITICAL ITEMS THAT ARE STILL REMAINING IN THE WASTE STREAM. 
          AND HOW DO YOU GET THEM OUT? UM, THOSE COULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE COMPOSTING PROGRAM THAT REALLY GOES, UH, ADDING FOOD WASTE TO COMPOSTING, RATHER, WHICH REALLY GETS AT SOME OF THE HEAVIER ITEMS THAT ARE REMAINING IN THE WASTE STREAM. 
          UM, THE NEXT PHASE OFTENTIMES IS, UH, FORCING, UH, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS, UH, BAG, BANS, BANDWIDTH, TELEPHONE BOOKS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT, UM, WERE REALLY SUCCESSFUL IN MOVING THE BAR. 
          AND OFTENTIMES THOSE THINGS ARE ONLY IN PLACE FOR A VERY SHORT OF TIME BEFORE THEY BECOME THE NORM. 
          AND THEY BECOME THE NEW WAY OF DOING BUSINESS OFTENTIMES, AND PEOPLE CAN IMAGINE NOT HAVING DONE IT FOR, UM, HERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE IN HOW WE PUSH THE BAR AND PUSH THE ENVELOPE IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS. 
          UM, I THINK FOR SURE THE EDUCATION COMPONENT IS HUGE UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ARE, WHAT THE GAPS ARE, WHAT PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING TO OR NOT, WILL ALL BE CRUCIAL, UM, ASPECTS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK AS WE GO FORWARD TO REALLY DIG INTO THE DATA AND THE NUMBERS TO SEE WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST APPROACH FOR US GOING FORWARD. 
          AND, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE, UH, THOSE THINGS RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS PART OF THAT DEVELOPING THAT MASTER PLAN THAT HELPS US AND GUIDES US ALONG THAT WAY. 
          THANKS EVERYONE HERE LOOKS LIKE KATHY WANTS TO BE GOOD. 
          I DO. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          OH, GREAT. 
          SCOTT. 
          I'M SO GLAD THAT THIS IS HAPPENING NOW. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          UM, I, UH, WHEN YOU SAY MANDATE, DOES THAT MEAN IT'S A LAW AND PEOPLE WILL BE FINE? 
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IS THAT AS OPPOSED TO AN SCOTT SCOTT, SCOTT, RIGHT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO KATHY, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S JUST A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. 
          AND SO ANYTIME THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING THE ORDINANCES IN PLACE IN A MATTER OF THAT WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS WOULD BE WITH THAT. 
          UM, IF ANY, BUT I THINK IN ORDER TO REALLY LOOK AT MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, THOSE COULD BE SOME OF THE TOUGH DECISIONS THAT THE CITY WOULD NEED TO MAKE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, ARE YOU GOING TO A HELP IN KNOWING WHAT THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT IS THE POLICY OR EVEN THE CITY'S PROPENSITY FOR DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S ALL A PART, A PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS AND OUR, I THINK OUR ROLE IS TO HELP THE CITY AND BY THE CITY, BOTH AR STAFF SWAG CITY COUNCIL, TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO REACH CERTAIN GOALS, WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF PROGRAMS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE? AND THEN IF THE CITIES, AND THIS IS ALL HYPOTHETICAL, BUT IF THE CITY SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T THINK THAT WE WANT TO QUITE GO TO THAT, THAT LEVEL, BUT THAT'S OKAY TOO. 
          BUT IF YOU, IF THAT'S A DECISION THAT IS PAID AND THEN WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT, THAT ADJUSTMENTS ALSO BE CONSIDERED TO WHATEVER THE GOALS, SO THAT THERE'S A RECOGNITION THAT WANTS TO GO AND ENHANCE. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO HEAR A PESSIMISTIC. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO APPEAR AS REALISTIC. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, IF THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO GO FOR MORE, UH, ENFORCEMENT, I WOULD HATE TO ON SOME OF THESE THINGS, KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, RHINO SCENIC CLUB GOALS. 
          DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WELL, WHEN YOU SAY TO DO SOME OF THESE THINGS WELL, AND THEN TELLING PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, OH, YOU KNOW, THIS, MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T THROW THIS AWAY. 
          YOU SHOULD PUT IT HERE. 
          I JUST WONDER HOW, HOW MUCH SOMETHING LIKE, THAT'S GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF, IF THERE'S NOT MANDATES. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT ARE DOING THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF EFFORTS, LIKE THE ONES THAT MIKE TURNER DESCRIBED IN TERMS OF CART AUDITS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THOSE EFFORTS, THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW EFFORT. 
          SO THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF DETAILED DATA OUT THERE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT YOU ASKED, DID ACTIVITIES ONE, TWO, AND THREE, AND HERE'S EXACTLY HOW IT CHANGED THEIR PERCENTAGES, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE CITIES OUT THERE THAT ARE, THAT ARE DEFINITELY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND I THINK IT ALSO GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT IAN POSED UP A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO IN TERMS OF, OR WE'RE LOOKING AT BEHAVIOR CHANGE AS WELL. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS, WAS ANSWERED, THERE ARE, THERE IS A TASK TO RESEARCH EFFORT THAT IS ONGOING RIGHT NOW ON, ON THAT TOPIC IN TERMS OF MESSAGING OUTREACH AND EFFECTING BEHAVIOR CHANGE. 
          SO MORE TO COME ON THAT TOO. 
          SURE. 
          I DON'T WANT THAT TO COME UP ON THE CONTAMINATION RATE FOR ORGANICS. 
          CAN YOU TELL A DIFFERENCE WITH CITIES THAT DON'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT POLICIES AS OPPOSED THAT ONES THAT DO IN TERMS OF JUST, ARE YOU TALKING FOR RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL OR EITHER ONE, EITHER ONE REALLY? YEAH. 
          I THINK HAVING, HAVING SOME TYPE OF A STRICT OVERSIGHT IS REALLY CRITICAL TO REDUCING CONTAMINATION, WHETHER IT'S FOR RECYCLING OR FOR ADVANIX. 
          UM, AND IT'S EVEN AS IMPORTANT AS IT IS ON THE RECYCLING SIDE. 
          IT'S MORE CRITICAL ON THE ORGANIC, UM, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF PROGRAMS REALLY FOCUSED ON GOING AFTER THE FREE CONSUMER ORGANIC MATERIALS AND REALLY GOING AFTER LARGE QUANTITY GENERATORS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR KIND OF YOUR BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK IN TERMS OF HIGH QUANTITY VOLUMES, UM, LESS GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO HOPEFULLY CONTROL WHAT'S HAPPENING FROM A CONTAMINATION PERSPECTIVE. 
          I THINK IF YOU WANT, UM, 
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JONATHAN HAS BEEN ABLE TO RESEARCH THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE CITY OF SEATTLE, IF YOU KIND OF CHIME IN ON THAT WE COULD DO SO BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MANDATE FOR IT. 
          YES. 
          MA'AM JONATHAN, YOU ALL CAN SEE THIS PDF, CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          GREAT. 
          SO SHOWING SAME VERSION OF THE GRAPH, UH, IN SCOTT'S PRESENTATION, UM, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN 2003, THE MANDATORY RECYCLING WAS IN EFFECT FOR COMMERCIAL FOR COMMERCIAL, OR WAS THE MANDATORY IN 2003 WAS MANDATORY IN PLACE FOR ALL RECYCLING, JUST COMMERCIAL, JUST COMMERCIAL. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHEN, UH, WHEN IT WENT INTO EFFECT FOR RESIDENTIAL, JUST ON BRIEF RESEARCH, UM, THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES SPU, THE CITY OF SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT, UM, HAD THAT IMPLEMENTED JANUARY 1ST, 2006, 2006. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          CAUSE YOU CAN SEE THE INFLECTION POINT OF THE GRAPH RIGHT AT 2003, BUT NOT FOR 2006. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO QUICK QUESTION HERE. 
          I MEAN, KATHY, YOU'RE REFERRING TO, AND I GUESS KEN, TO SOME DEGREE, YOU ALSO REFERRING TO, UH, THE CARROT VERSUS A STICK QUESTION. 
          I MEAN WE, AND AGAIN, AS A QUICK EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH, AS FAR AS THE RECYCLING CHALLENGES ARE OUR BAG BAN. 
          I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S THE LOCAL POLITICAL WILL VERSUS THE PUBLIC POLICY CHALLENGES OF THE STATE THAT WE LIVE IN. 
          AND, UH, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, WHAT WE DO HERE IN AUSTIN TO BENEFIT OUR, OUR, OUR CITIZENS, OUR ENVIRONMENT IS ONE THING, GETTING IT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CHALLENGE. 
          I'M OPEN TO THESE CHALLENGES. 
          WE'VE OBVIOUSLY DONE IT BEFORE WITH THE BAG BAN AND WE WERE RELATIVELY SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE HAD OTHER COMMUNITIES JOIN US AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          WE WERE OVER RED ON THAT AS A RESULT, BUT, BUT THE EFFORT IS THERE AND THE EFFORTS SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS. 
          AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SCOTT, I, THE OTHER QUICK QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, UM, ON THE ACTUAL MASTER PLAN, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT'S TASK NUMBER FOUR ON TASK FOR, UH, I GUESS IT'S ITEM NUMBER 25, THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY SCOPE RIGHT NOW, WHAT EXACTLY WILL THIS SCOPE INCLUDE? SO WE USE, WE DIDN'T HAVE A TASK WITHIN PASS NUMBER TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF VARIOUS ARR PROGRAMS. AND SO AI COMPLETED FINANCIAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT COSTS FOR SEVERAL OF THE KEY PROGRAMS. AND SO BASED ON, ON THAT, AS WELL AS ON CITY, BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE US WITH DIVERSION DATA FOR THOSE PROGRAMS, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THOSE PROGRAMS TO LOOK AT ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF FUNDS ANS DIVERTED RELATIVE TO THE COST. 
          NOW THERE WILL BE SOME PROGRAMS THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GET INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL ON THAT ARE STILL VERY IMPORTANT PROGRAMS THAT ARE FOCUSED MORE ON REUSE IN CIRCULAR ECONOMY TYPES OF THINGS. 
          BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT ADA IS THERE, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT MORE DETAILED FINANCIAL ANALYSIS. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT. 
          AND OTHER REAL QUICK QUESTION HERE, THE, UH, UH, WHAT DOES THAT, UH, I GUESS BACK TO SEATTLE'S A HISTORY OR, UH, GOD PAY J TEAM, DOES THAT INCLUDE RESIDUALS OR WAS THAT TAKEN OUT OF THESE CALCULATIONS? THE RESIDUAL AMOUNTS? YEAH. 
          THESE NUMBERS SHOULD REFLECT THE NET MATERIAL. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY SOLD AS COMMODITIES. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WHAT'S BROUGHT UP THE SCALE. 
          YEAH. 
          NOT, NOT THE GROSS AMOUNT. 
          THANK YOU, SCOTT COMMISSIONER, IF I MAY. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE POINT TO THE, TO THE QUESTION ABOUT, UH, THE RECYCLING FOR SEATTLE, JUST BECAUSE I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT SYSTEM. 
          UM, THE, IN 2006, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO, UM, PREVENT ANY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER FROM HOPPING OUT OF THE PROGRAM. 
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UM, SO THAT THE CITY HAD A PRO RECYCLING PRO PROGRAM. 
          WELL BEFORE A RESIDENTIAL PROGRAM, WELL BEFORE 2006, BUT AT THAT POINT, UH, IT WAS REQUIRED THAT EVERYONE, BECAUSE IN THE PROGRAM WITHOUT SOME SORT OF SPECIAL EXEMPTION AND ESPECIALLY EXEMPTION THAT MIGHT BE QUALIFYING AS A SALE, IF YOU WERE A SEASONAL RESIDENT AND YOU WERE ONLY IN THE CITY FOR A, SAY FOUR OF THE YEAR, FIVE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, UM, THIS SPECIALIZATION MIGHT SAY THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY, UH, FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE, UM, THERE'S A PATIENT IN THE SYSTEM. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          YEAH. 
          THE COMMENTS, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE WORK SO FAR. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE, UM, I'VE BEEN PRETTY HEAVILY INVOLVED IN WORKING ON THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN UPDATE AND, UH, HAVE I'M SERVING ON THE STEERING COMMITTEE, BUT I'VE ALSO BEEN, UH, ENGAGING IN AS PART OF THE, UH, CONSUMPTION ADVISORY GROUP. 
          AND, UM, ONE OF THE GOALS THAT I THINK IS VERY LIKELY TO BE INCLUDED IN THE CLIMATE PLAN IS, UM, SHE'LL RECOMMEND, UH, INCLUSION OF AN OVERALL, UM, UH, WHAT ARE WE CALLING IT, WASTE GENERATION GOAL, AS OPPOSED TO JUST A DEAD VERSION GOAL. 
          UM, SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, UH, DOESN'T THE ANSWER TO THIS WILL BE YES, BUT SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ELABORATE A LITTLE AS YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE LOOKED INTO AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THAT IN OTHER AREAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT SEATTLE GRAPH, ONE OF THE THINGS I DO NOTICE IS THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, WHILE THE, THE DIVERSION RATE, MAYBE IT'S GOING UP ROLL DISPOSAL RATE AMONGST THE THREE CATEGORIES OF ORGANICS RECYCLING AND LANDFILL ACTUALLY BUMPED UP A LITTLE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, JUST LOOKING AT THAT FROM A KIND OF OVERALL ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE IDEAL SCENARIO. 
          UM, WE ACTUALLY WANT TO USE LESS MATERIAL AND THEN JUST KIND OF A COMMENT, UM, YOU WOULD PUT FORTH A SLIDE WITH TWO BULLET POINTS ON IT THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LAID OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, VISION RELATED TO ZERO WASTE. 
          AND THE SECOND BULLET HAD SOMETHING LIKE, UM, UH, INCREASED USE OF RESOURCES. 
          I THINK THE INTENTION THERE IS PROBABLY, UH, INCREASED, UH, EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES. 
          UM, I DO THINK THAT, THAT, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO CONVEY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE USING ACTUALLY ONE OF THE USING FEWER RESOURCES OVERALL AND REUSING MORE. 
          AND SO I THINK YOU'LL GET THAT, BUT JUST, UM, I THINK IMPORTANT TO CONVEY THAT THAT, UH, YEAH, THAT CIRCULAR NATURE IS IMPORTANT. 
          UM, SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT AROUND THE, UM, WASTE GENERATION. 
          YES I DO. 
          AND WHAT YOU DESCRIBED IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH OUR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH AR IN TERMS OF BROADENING THOSE METRICS TO INCLUDE THINGS LIKE GENERATION GOALS, AS WELL AS FOR MATERIALS THAT ARE A PART OF DIVERSION PROGRAMS TO MORE CLOSELY EVALUATE HOW MUCH OF THOSE MATERIALS WERE BEING CAPTURED OR DIVERSION. 
          WE HAD RECYCLED MILLS AS WELL IN THE PLACES THAT, UM, HAVE HIGH DEPRESSION RATES. 
          ARE THEY ALSO TRACKING THAT WASTE GENERATION? AND WHAT DO THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE? YEAH, THEY'RE, I THINK MORE OF THEM ARE STARTING TO, UM, YOU TAKE CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, LIKE I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY METRICS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO REFERENCED SLIDE 18 FROM THE CITY OF SEATTLE. 
          AND I DIDN'T GO THROUGH THIS AND IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT A DECISION THAT WAS MADE IN 2007 BEFORE THE CITY OF SEATTLE WAS TO HAVE TARGET FOCUSED DIRECTLY ON REDUCING LANDFILL AUTONOMY AT THAT TIME WAS TO REDUCE IT BY 1% MAYBE WOMEN. 
          SO YOU'RE CORRECT THAT THEY'VE SEEN A PICK IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, AS IN TERMS OF THE LANDFILL DISPOSAL, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, STARTING IN 2007, THEY DID REALIZE SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THAT OVERALL LANDFILL AND THERE, AND THERE COULD BE, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS THE CASE, BUT, UM, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, UM, OVER A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE SPIKES FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UH, FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT. 
          SO I THINK MR. SNIPES HAS HIS 
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HAND RAISED. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          I ACTUALLY WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT AND YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO ATTRACT GENERATION GOALS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED IN SEATTLE ABOUT, UM, THE DATA FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, IT WAS ACTUALLY A FALSE READ TO SOME DEGREE AND IT HAS TO DO A GREAT DEAL WITH WHAT AUSTIN IS EXPERIENCING AS WELL, WHICH IS THE UNPRECEDENTED GROWTH IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO WHAT WE REALIZED AFTER NOT IN BACK THROUGH THE NUMBERS, THAT SOME OF THOSE, UH, THE GENERATION NUMBERS OF THEIR PARENTS, THAT THE NUMBERS WENT UP WAS JUST BECAUSE IT WAS SO MANY NEW RESIDENTS IN THE CITY. 
          SO MEANT SO MUCH GROWTH IN THE CITY. 
          SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY THAT IT REALLY DROVE THOSE NUMBERS UP. 
          AND SO THAT WAS A MEASURE OF THAT, THAT APPEARED THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHILE RECYCLING AND DIVERSION IN GENERAL, THAT GENERATION WAS UP AS WELL. 
          AND SO, UM, WHEN I LEFT, THERE WERE QUITE, THAT WAS QUITE A BIT OF WORK BEING DONE TO TRY TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH OF THAT WAS JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, THERE'S JUST MORE PEOPLE IN THE CITY NOW. 
          AND, UH, TO A GREAT DEGREE, THERE'S A TON OF WASTE THAT WAS GENERATED AS A RESULT OF CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY WAS CARVED THAT OUT. 
          AND, AND WE NEVER SETTLED ON A GOOD WAY TO CARVE THAT OUT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE WERE ALSO WORKING ON WHAT IS THE RIGHT LEVEL OF WASTE THAT YOU SHOULD SEE BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT THE CITY HAD SEEN. 
          SO, UM, IT'S ONE OF THOSE TRICKY SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S HARD TO PARSE THAT OUT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          AND I DO THINK, UM, I'M NOT REMEMBERING THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I THINK THAT GROUP, WE LOOKED BACK AT SAN FRANCISCO AND, UM, AND WE'RE TYING INTO A PER CAPITA SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YES, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          MORE PEOPLE IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO, UH, YOU KNOW, AVOID, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S PRODUCING THEIR, THEIR WASTE. 
          SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, WHATEVER I'M JUST FLAGGING IT SO THAT Y'ALL CAN MAYBE TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE GOALS. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT INVOLVED, UM, AND HOPEFULLY THERE, THOSE DRAFT GOALS ARE MAKING THEIR WAY UP THE CHAIN TO YOU ALL, BUT, UM, JUST WANTED TO FLAG IT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ALSO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE DATA TO THAT CONVERSATION. 
          AND THIS IS MY CHARTER FROM THE QUALITY ASSURANCE DIVISION. 
          AGAIN, IF YOU RECALL, LAST YEAR WE GAVE, UM, THE WAC, UH, UPDATE ON, UM, THE CURBSIDE COMPOST PROGRAM, ANY ILLNESSES THAT WE CAN, DIFFERENT CURBSIDE COMPOST. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOWED IS THAT THERE IS A TREND WITH THE AREAS THAT THE ROUTES THAT HAD CURBSIDE COMPOST, UM, EVEN THOUGH THAT POPULATION IN THOSE AREAS INCREASED, UM, BY SEVERAL PERCENTAGES, UM, SIGNAGE GOING TO THE LANDFILL IN THOSE AREAS WERE DOWN. 
          SO, UM, WE ARE DOING THAT CORRELATION OF DATA AND ANALYSIS NOW, AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THOSE PLANS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, REPORT THAT INFORMATION OUT, KIND OF TO KIND OF TIE THE DATA TOGETHER. 
          THEY HELP TELL THE STORY OF HOW EFFECTIVE A PROGRAM IS OR ISN'T COMMISSIONERS. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, JUST A QUICK REMINDER HERE, WE HAVE A HARD STOP AT TWO 30. 
          SO WE HAVE ABOUT 30 MINUTES LEFT. 
          I MEAN, HAVING SAID THAT, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK DECISION HERE. 
          DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS ITEM TWO B, WHICH IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY ON THE C AND D DIVERSION REQUIREMENTS, WHICH WOULD BE SCOTT AND SETH AGAIN? OR DO WE WANT TO JUMP INTO A ITEM A, TO C, WHICH IS A QUICK UPDATE ON THE, UH, F 20 BUDGET BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT COMMISSIONERS? I WILL MENTION THAT OUR PRESENTATION FOR THE CD ECONOMICS IS HAVING HEARD THAT, THEN PERHAPS WE CAN JUMP ON THAT IF THE COMMISSION WOULD ALLOW, WOULD ALLOW, I THINK THAT'S FINE TO DO THAT, 
          [Item 2B]
SCOTT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO DEFER ON THAT ONE TOO. 
          SETH CUNNINGHAM, WHO'S SERVED AS OUR PROJECT MANAGER ON THAT WORK, BUT IF YOU CAN PLEASE GO AHEAD AND BRING UP THAT POWERPOINT AND THEN SETH CAN JUMP RIGHT INTO IT. 
          YEP. 
          CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YES, UH, WE'RE DOING ON THE ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY FOR A C AND D VERSION REQUIREMENTS. 
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UM, I'LL TRY TO COVER EVERYTHING, BUT GET THROUGH IT, UM, IN THE TIMELY MANNER, UM, GIVEN OUR TIME CONSTRAINTS, BUT HERE'S WHAT I WANT TO COVER TODAY. 
          I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE, BUT THEIR LITTLE SYMBOLS ARE COLOR CODED IN TERMS OF THE TOPICS. 
          UM, AND EACH, EACH SLOTS HAS ONE OF THOSE IN THE TOP RIGHT CORNER. 
          UH, SO NEXT SLIDE, YOU HAVE ALL GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE STUDY. 
          UM, ONE, THE LOOK AT THE, THE IMPACT OF, OF, OF THE ORDINANCE ON HOUSEHOLD AFFORDABILITY AND PARTICULARLY LOOKED AT THE EMPATH TO GO ON FROM THE 50% DIVERSION REQUIREMENT, WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE REQUIREMENT. 
          EVERYTHING WAS NEEDED TO GO UP TO 75% REQUIREMENT. 
          WE ALSO LOOKED AT, UM, THE, UM, ONE TO ASSESS THE CAPACITY OF THE LOCAL REUSE MARKETS, AS WELL AS, AS THE CA UH, MATERIAL MARKET AND PROCESSING CAPACITY FOR ADDITIONAL C AND D RECYCLING IN TERMS OF GOING FROM THE 50 TO THE 75% REQUIREMENT, AND THEN JUST PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER THAT SHOULD OCCUR. 
          THE INCREASED REQUIREMENT ON OCTOBER ONE, 2020, UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE OUTREACH AND DATA ANALYSIS, WE INTERVIEWED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF SENIOR RELATED ENTITIES, CITY DEPARTMENTS, HOLLERS, PROCESSORS, ASSOCIATIONS, UM, SUCH AS THE, UM, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, GENERAL CONTRACTOR ASSOCIATIONS AND OTHER ASSOCIATIONS AND OTHER, UH, NON GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS. 
          UH, WE ANALYZED DATA THAT WE COLLECTED FROM, UM, AUSTIN RESOURCE RECOVERY, AS WELL AS AUSTIN GREEN BELTING AND THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE TOOK THAT DATA TO QUANTIFY WHAT THE COST PER SQUARE FOOT BY PROJECT AFTER WOULD BE FOR BOTH DISPOSAL AND DIVERSION. 
          SO WE COULD COMPARE THE, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF INCREASING DIVERSION ON THOSE, UM, FOR THOSE PROJECTS. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE  SO THIS IS THE INITIAL DATA THAT WE EVALUATED IN TERMS DIVERSION PERCENTAGES, AND THE BLUE BAR SHOW DATA THAT WE RECEIVED THROUGH THE C AND D ORDINANCE PROGRAM AND THE GREEN BARS THROUGH THE AUSTIN GREEN BIT ENERGY BUILDING, OR AUSTIN ENERGY GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM. 
          AND THEN WE SHOW THE THRESHOLDS FOR 50%, 75% DIVERSION. 
          AND SO INITIALLY THIS WAS WITHOUT THE SPRAY PROMISING DATA THINKING THAT A LOT OF THE PROJECTS WERE ALREADY NEARING THE 75% DIVERSION REQUIREMENT. 
          UM, HOWEVER, UM, NEXT SLIDE, THE, THE ISSUE THAT WE KIND OF UNCOVERED WITH FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY, UM, AS WELL AS LOOKING AT SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DATA IS THE ACTUAL REPORTING RATE THROUGH THAT THE ORDINANCE PROGRAM WAS RELATIVELY LOW OR HAS BEEN RELATIVELY LOW. 
          AND SO OUR CONCERN WITH THAT DATA IS NOT, IS THAT IT MAY NOT COMPLETE, UH, PAINT, A COMPLETE PICTURE OF WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE ACTUALLY DOING FROM A DIVERSION PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, I MEAN, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENTENCE, WE SAW THAT JUST THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS REPORTING WAS 163 PROJECTS AND 2018 AND 73 PROJECTS AND 2019. 
          AND SO OUR POTENTIAL CONCERN WITH THE DATA IS, ARE ONLY THE GOOD PROJECTS ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PERFORMING WELL, THE ONES REPORTING AND THAT PERHAPS, UM, IF YOU LOOKED AT ALL THE PROJECTS THAT NEEDED TO, IT SHOULD BE, UM, REPORTING WITH, FOR THE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, WOULD THOSE RESULTS LOOK THE SAME? UM, AND IN TALKING WITH AR STAFF IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING AN ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM SO THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, HOPEFULLY A GREATER RESPONSE RATE ON THAT, UM, THE C AND D PROGRAM SO THAT THE DATA IS, UM, MADE MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE PROJECTS ACROSS THE CITY AND IN THE DEMOLITION COMPONENT IS ONLY BEEN REQUIREMENT'S SINCE, UM, JUST THIS PAST OCTOBER. 
          AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE BULK OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE DID WAS IN EARLY 2020. 
          SO AT THAT POINT, THE, THE, THE DEMOLITION PART OF THE PROGRAM HAD ONLY BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LOWER SIX MONTHS. 
          SO THERE'S REALLY JUST NOT A LOT OF DATA YET ON THE DEMOLITION SIDE, UM, OF THE C AND D ORDINANCE NEXT LINE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF THE ECONOMIC IMPACT, WE LOOKED AT SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY AND NON-RESIDENTIAL, WHICH COVERED BROAD RANGE OF, OF COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL TYPE FACILITIES, BEIJING TO SEE THAT THE, ON THE LEFT, THE NET COST IMPACT PER SQUARE FOOT ON PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT'S ONLY GOING FROM THE 50% DIVERSION RATE TO 75% 
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DIVERSION RATES. 
          SO WE LOOKED AT THE, THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF OUR GENERATION, RIGHT FROM PROJECTS OR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF MATERIAL GENERATED. 
          AND IF YOU LOOKED AT DIVERTING 50% OF THAT VERSUS DIVERTING 75% OF THAT, UM, WHAT THE NET COST IMPACT PER SQUARE WAS. 
          AND SO YOU CAN SEE IT, IT'S A PRETTY SMALL AMOUNT RELATIVE TO THE OVERALL COST OF, OF CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION, UM, IN THE AUSTIN AREA. 
          I MEAN, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, FOR EXAMPLE, MIGHT BE IN THE A HUNDRED TO $200 PER SQUARE FOOT RANGE. 
          AND THE, THE NET COST OF GOING FROM 50 TO 75% DIVERSION, YOU KNOW, A FEW CENTS PER SQUARE FOOT. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO NOW WE'RE TRANSITIONING TO, UH, THE REUSE MARKETS AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REUSE, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, TYPICAL TYPES OF PROJECTS OR TYPICAL TYPES OF MATERIALS THAT WERE TARGETED FOR USE GENERALLY THINGS LIKE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND CABINETS, LIGHT FIXTURES, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT, UM, GOOD BRICK AND SOME PLUMBING FIXTURES, BUT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, ARE SOME OF THESE MATERIALS IN SOME CASES, NOT REALLY SUITABLE FOR REUSE AND NEW, UM, NEW, NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR LIKE EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE SINGLE PANE ALUMINUM WINDOWS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE SAME TYPE OF, OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY AS NEWER WINDOWS. 
          AND YOU GET SAME THING WITH SOME OF THE TOILETS AND OTHER PLUMBING FIXTURES IS, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE THE RIGHT KINDS OF EFFICIENCY FOR THOSE THAT YOU WOULD WANT AND A NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. 
          UM, AND THEN WE SPENT SOME TIME TALKING WITH ONE PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION ON THE REUSE CYCLE, THE REUSE PEOPLE, UM, AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY DO WHAT THEY CONSIDER SOFT STRIPS OF RESIDENTIAL, MAINLY RESIDENTIAL FACILITIES OR HOMES, OR SAY WHERE THEY GO IN AND TRY TO GATHER AS MUCH OF THE REUSABLE MATERIALS I CAN BEFORE. 
          UM, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IS EITHER RENOVATOR OR DEMOLISHED OR MOVED. 
          UM, AND SO JUST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, UM, THEY'VE COMPLETED 25 OF HIS SOFT STRIP PROJECTS AND 28 RELOCATIONS WHERE THEY COMPLETELY RELOCATED A HOME TO A NEW, UM, LOCATION. 
          UM, SO OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THAT, THAT BUILDING WAS TO BE USED INTO THAT CASE, BUT THE SOFT STRIPS TYPICALLY YIELD THREE TO SEVEN TONS OF MATERIAL FOR EACH PROJECT. 
          NOW, THE PRIVATE SIDE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE CONTRACTORS ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO DO THIS MORE ON AN OPPORTUNISTIC BASIS. 
          THEY'RE GOING INTO A PROJECT AND SEE A LOT OF VALUE IN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BEFORE THEY DEMOLISH IT. 
          THEY'LL TRY TO, UM, REMOVE THAT THE MATERIALS THAT HAVE VALUE, UM, AND REUSE THOSE, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, PROBABLY DONE ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST DEPENDING ON PROJECT BY PROJECT. 
          NEXT LINE CURRENTLY, THERE'S A LIMITED REUSE OUTLETS IN THE CITY. 
          UM, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS, IS THE DOMINANT, UM, OUTLET CURRENTLY. 
          AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IN SOME LANDFILLS THEY'LL HAVE A SMALL REUSE AREA. 
          THERE USED TO BE A REUSE STORE, UM, OF OVERALL 20 TO 22. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, REALLY IS THE MAIN ONE THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED THIS CURRENTLY IN OPERATION, AND THEY'VE BEEN EXPANDING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT VOLUME TO HANDLE AN INCREASE IN REUSE, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE CITY WERE TO CONSIDER SOMETHING LIKE MANDATORY DECONSTRUCTION, I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO MOVE, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THEIR STORES WOULD BE SUFFICIENT, UM, FOR A LARGER SCALE MANDATE ON DECONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT I THINK THEY CERTAINLY HAVE CAPACITY TO TAKE MORE MATERIAL THROUGH THEIR STORES THE NEXT LINE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ENCOURAGING DECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE A BENEFIT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IT'S FOCUSED ON SINGLE FAMILY PROJECTS, BUT IF, IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE, UM, VOLUNTARY INCENTIVES FOR DECONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, THAT MAYBE THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MATERIAL THAT'S REUSED AND DOCUMENTED FOR REUSE MAYBE IS WEIGHTED A LITTLE HIGHER OR COUNTED A LITTLE HIGHER TOWARDS A DIVERSION REQUIREMENTS, UM, PERHAPS REBATES OF PERMITTING FEES OR OTHER, UM, INCENTIVES WEDDED TO THE, THE VOLUME OR VALUE OF THE SALVAGE MATERIAL. 
          NEXT ONE. 
          SO IN TERMS OF KIND OF MOVING OVER TO RECITE THE RECYCLING SIDE OF THINGS, UH, THIS CHART, UM, PER TABLE KIND OF SUMMARIZES THE KEY MATERIALS THAT ARE RECYCLED AND WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION OR DEMOLITION, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, A DRYWALL, LISTEN THAT MAY WEIGH IN OR NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS DEMOLITION, THERE IS DRYWALL NPR DEMOLITION PROJECTS, BUT AT THAT POINT IT'S PAINTED HAS WALLPAPER ARE THINGS THAT MAKE IT REALLY DIFFICULT TO RECYCLE. 
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AND SO MOST RECYCLERS DON'T WANT THAT MATERIAL FROM DEMOLITION, BUT THERE IS MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO RECYCLE IT FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION WHERE IT'S, OR IT'S CLEAN DRYWALL AND CONCRETE, CARDBOARD, METALS, PLASTIC ALL HAVE REALLY HIGH, UM, UM, AND, UH, DEMAND FOR THE MARKETS. 
          WE LISTED UNTREATED LUMBER AND GYPSUM AS MEDIUM. 
          UH, WE FOUND THAT RIGHT NOW, MAJORITY OF THAT MATERIAL IS BEING USED IN COMPOST OPERATIONS. 
          AND THERE IS, SEEMS TO BE SOME, UM, SOME LIMIT ON, UM, THAT IS A VERY LOCAL MARKET. 
          IT'S JUST TO HAVE A BROADER OF A MARKET AS THINGS LIKE PLASTIC AND METALS, BUT STILL HAS A GOOD LOCAL MARKET. 
          AND THEN SHINGLES, THIS IS ONE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME, UM, STRAP FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT REALLY ON THE DEMOLITION SIDE OF THINGS, THERE USED TO BE A BETTER MARKET FOR THE SHINGLES. 
          FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, UM, THERE WAS A CHANGE WITH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TCQ OR TEXTILE IN TERMS OF WHAT, UM, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED AND SOME OF THE ROAD PROJECTS, BUT THEY USED TO BE USED MORE IN ROAD PROJECTS. 
          AND SO THE DEMAND FOR THAT HAS FALLEN, UM, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UM, IN GENERAL DEMOLITION JUST CREATES ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES FOR RECOVERING MATERIAL ONE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOTTEN THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, 30, 40, 50 YEARS OLD, AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH THINGS LIKE ASBESTOS LEAD PAINT AND OTHER MATERIALS, AND IT'S JUST, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION AND YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF SCRAP MATERIALS, UM, VERSUS DEMOLITION MATERIALS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT TOGETHER, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT TO SEPARATE THOSE MATERIALS. 
          THEY'RE JUST DIFFERENT CHALLENGES DOING WITH, WITH DEMOLITION VERSUS NEW CONSTRUCTION NEXT LINE. 
          SO SOME SORT OF ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES WITH MATERIAL HANDLING, YOU KNOW, IN AN IDEAL WORLD, YOU'D HAVE A ROLL OFF BOX FROM A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. 
          EVERYTHING WOULD GO IN THERE HAVE, WOULD GO TO FACILITY AND ALL THE MATERIALS GOOD TO SEPARATE IT OUT. 
          BUT MOST OF THE PROCESSORS THAT WE'VE TALKED TO JUST, JUST TAKING THAT KIND OF ONE BAND APPROACH, OR JUST TOO MUCH CONTAMINATION, AND IT'S TOO HIGH OF A COST TO SORT THROUGH THAT. 
          IS THERE AN IDEAL WORLD TO HAVE IT AT LEAST TWO TYPES OF CONTAINERS, ONE THAT'S BOUND FOR THE LANDFILL AND THE ONE THAT WOULD BE COMMINGLED RECYCLABLES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD GO TO THE RECYCLING PROCESS OR TRY TO MINIMIZE CONTAMINATION. 
          THEY'LL, THEY'LL TURN, UH, CONTAINERS AWAY TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONTAMINATION DISTRACT THOSE TO THE LANDFILL. 
          SO I THINK OUR ROLE FOR THE CITY IN THAT IT'S JUST PROVIDING MORE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, EDUCATION OUTREACH RELATED TO BEST PRACTICES ABOUT CONFIGURING JOB SITES, WAYS TO REDUCE CONTAMINATION, AND ALSO JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS REALLY RECYCLABLE AND WHAT IS BEST TO GO IN THE LANDFILL CONTAINER. 
          NEXT LINE YOU WANT. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE COVERED AS WELL IS JUST THERE'S, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A ISSUE ON THE HAULING SIDE OR THE PROCESSING CAPACITY OF THE 58 ACTIVE SANDY HOLLERS, UM, IN THIS CITY, UH, FOUR OF THOSE EITHER OWN OR OPERATE A C AND D RECYCLING FACILITY. 
          AND IN GENERAL, THEY'RE NOT OPEN FACILITIES, OPEN MARKET FACILITIES. 
          THERE'S A FEW OF THEM WE TALKED TO THAT HAVE ARRANGEMENTS WITH OTHER HOLLERS. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S A MUCH MORE LIMITED NUMBER OF HOURS THAT ARE REALLY HAVE ACCESS TO C AND D RECYCLING. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT CREATES SOME ISSUES. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE, UH, JOBS THAT COME UP, THERE'S SOME HOLLERS JUST, JUST AREN'T ABLE TO BID ON THOSE JOBS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE RECYCLING FACILITY. 
          SO I THINK HAVING OPPORTUNITIES TO SUPPORT THOSE HOLLERS AND FIND OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER ACCESS FOR C AND D RECYCLING, UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAYBE YOU LOOKED AT IN THE ZERO WASTE PLAN NEXT LINE. 
          SO NEWS BAR, OUR KEY FINDINGS REALLY THERE'S, THERE'S MINIMAL IMPACT ON HOUSEHOLD AFFORDABILITY RELATED TO THESE AVERSION REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, YOUR DEMOLITION PROJECT HAS ONLY BEEN PART OF THE C AND D ORDINANCE OCTOBER ONE, 2019. 
          SO WE'VE GOT A LIMITED, UM, YOU KNOW, TIME TO COLLECT DATA FROM HERE FROM, FROM DEMOLITION PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OVERALL THERE'S JUST THE, THE, THE REPORTING PERCENTAGE IS RELATIVELY LOW, UM, FOR THE OVERALL C AND D ORDINANCE PROJECT. 
          AND I THINK, UM, HAVING OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UM, HAVE THAT ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM IN PLACE AND REVIEW THAT DATA, IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND OVERALL, THE PROCESS WE TALKED TO THOUGH, DID FEEL LIKE THEY HAD THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON MORE MATERIAL. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE JUST MENTIONED, THE THIRD PARTY HAULERS STRUGGLED TO COMPETE ON SAN DIEGO AND DETROIT HAD PROJECTS. 
          UM, LAST SIDE IS, IS KEY FUNDING OR SIZE THIS RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          SO BASED ON THAT, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER ONE, 2020, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO DECIDE TO WHETHER OR NOT 
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TO, UM, HAVE THAT BE A TIME WHERE PROJECTS WOULD HAVE TO BE INCREASED FROM 50% TO 75% DIVERSION. 
          OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, UM, TO CONSIDER DELAYING THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A PHRASE TO APPROACH WHERE A LOT OF TIME FOR THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT ITS ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM AND HAVE A CHANCE TO BETTER SEE HOW PROJECTS ARE PERFORMING WHEN MORE PROJECTS ARE REPORTING. 
          AND ALSO JUST HAVE MORE TIME TO STUDY DEMOLITION. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS AND DEMOLITION PROJECTS ARE VERY DIFFERENT, BUT THE ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY TREATS THEM THE SAME. 
          UM, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT THAT KNOW GENERATION RATE FROM OUR AVERAGE BASIS BASED ON A NATIONAL STUDY WAS, YOU KNOW, A FEW POUNDS PER SQUARE FOOT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR IT WAS KIND OF IN THE 60 TO 80 POUNDS PER SQUARE FOOT FOR DEMOLITION. 
          AND, AND JUST THE TYPES OF MATERIALS ARE GETTING ARE DIFFERENT. 
          SO THERE ARE REALLY VERY DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          I THINK HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO STUDY THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S SPEED, DIFFERENT CRITERIA FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS DEMOLITION. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, AND THEN JUST KIND OF GOING BACK TO YOUR SUPPORTING GENERATORS TO REDUCE CONTAMINATION, UM, THAT OF LOAD THEY'RE GOING TO THIS C AND D WE'RE TALKING FACILITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES TO, UH, GET ACCESS FOR, UM, C AND D HOLLERS TO RECYCLING FACILITIES. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IS THE CONCLUSION OF MY PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I KNOW WE ARE SHORT ON TIME, BUT IF THERE'S OPEN IT UP, I'LL JERRY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO, UM, IN TERMS OF DEFINING TIME FOR QUESTIONS OR HYDRAULIC TO HANDLE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUICK QUESTIONS FOR SETH OR SCOTT? I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION SINCE WE'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND A DELAY PUNCTUALLY AT LEAST ARE TO THE, UM, THE FACT THAT WE GOT, UH, REPORTING. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY A DROP IN THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS REPORTING, BUT DIDN'T MENTION WHAT PERCENTAGE THAT IS. 
          YOU SAID 163 ON SLIDE 660, 40 TO 73. 
          IS THAT A, IS THAT 1% REPORTING OR I DON'T HAVE THAT EXACT DATA, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THE 30 TO 40% RANGE. 
          UM, SO IT'S, YEAH, IT'S NOT 1%, UM, CAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALL, UM, FOR AWHILE, NOT ALL PROJECTS HAD TO RE REQUIRED. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, FOR RESIDENTIAL IT'S ONLY PROJECTS THAT WERE 5,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATA THERE ON THE REPORTING. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE JUST IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK OR DELAY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY JUST HAVE A MORE CONCRETE ACTION PLAN AS TO WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DELAY IT AGAIN. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION IN THE THING, WHEN YOU SAY HOW, HOW MUCH OF IT GOES AWAY. 
          UM, I MEAN THAT UNDERSTANDING IS ON THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, THAT THAT'S A PROGRAM KIND OF RIGHT. 
          CURRENTLY IN AN UNDER DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED MAYBE SOMETIME LATE THIS YEAR, EARLY NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, WAIT 20, 20 OR EARLY CALENDAR YEAR 2021. 
          UM, I MEAN, I WOULD THINK IT'D BE REASONABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON, AND WHAT, AT WHAT POINT WILL START OF ENFORCEMENT, DO PROJECTS HAVE TO COMPLY? IS IT AT THE DAY THAT ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM STARTS? IS THAT ONLY PERMITS THAT ARE, OR, UM, ISSUED AFTER THAT DATE? I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, UM, I THINK FURTHER CONSIDERED, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, ACTING ONLY ON A FEW MONTHS OF DATA I THINK IS POSSIBLY PRETTY MATURE. 
          I THINK HAVING, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY TO TOGETHER, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE PROJECTS TAKE MORE THAN A YEAR TO COMPLETE. 
          UM, I THINK HAVING A YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA AS A REASONABLE, UM, AMOUNT OF TIME TO EVALUATE IT. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU SAY YEARS WORTH OF DEBT, YOU MEAN POST, UH, ENFORCEMENT IMPLEMENTATION AND I GUESS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU ARE, THE HA NOT COUNTING DATA YOU ALREADY HAVE. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I THINK THE, I MEAN, THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT THE PERCENTAGE OF PROJECTS THAT ARE REPORTING GOES UP SIGNIFICANTLY AFTER THAT PERIOD. 
          UM, AND THAT YOU'D HAVE MORE REPRESENTATIVE PROJECT DATA. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU HEAR YOU, IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE MORE DATA, I GUESS. 
          I THINK THE FLIP SIDE, WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE, I GUESS, DRAWBACKS TO THAT. 
          UM, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, JUST NOT GETTING MORE DIVERSION. 
          UM, BUT ALSO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S KIND OF BENEFITING THOSE WHO, YOU KNOW, AREN'T, YOU KNOW, AREN'T MAYBE MAKING AS MUCH OF AN EFFORT. 
          SO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME ACTORS WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY, UM, MAKING, MAKING A FULL 
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EFFORT AND SOME BOOKS LIKE FROM THE DATA THAT'S BEING REPORTED DOING PRETTY WELL. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, JUST IN TERMS OF KIND OF LIKE IT, TO ME THAT SAYS THIS IS POSSIBLE AND YOU JUST HAVE FOLKS WHO HAVE PRIORITIZED IT AND, AND THOSE WHO HAVEN'T AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE, THE BENEFIT OF A, OF A REGULATION IS THAT IT JUST, IT DOES KIND OF LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD FOR EVERYBODY. 
          UM, SO JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS, AS A WHATEVER AFFECT YOUR, UM, HOW ALSO, UM, JUST TO KIND OF SEPARATE NOTE MISTAKEN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE, UM, NEW, UM, AUSTIN GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM CHANGES, UM, OR PERHAPS INCORPORATING IN REQUIREMENT OR A DECONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING. 
          AND SO, I DUNNO IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. 
          UM, I CANNOT HAVE TO GO AND LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE GREEN BUILDING REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE DID LOOK AT THE DATA THAT WAS REPORTED, BUT DIDN'T LOOK INTO THE DETAILS OF THOSE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I, YOU, BUT I DON'T THINK IN FACT, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE, UH, GREEN BUILDING FOLKS NOT TOO LONG AGO AND THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED, BUT I DON'T THINK ANY DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE JUST YET, UH, REAL QUICK HERE. 
          I MEAN, THE, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OF PROJECTS THAT REPORT IT, I LOOK AT A 163 IN 18 AND 73 IN 2019. 
          THAT'S A VERY, VERY LOW NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT AS YOU STATED PARTICIPATED. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT WAS A, I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED, IT'S EXTREME, IT'S ALMOST NOT. 
          NON-EXISTENT LIKE MY QUESTION TO YOU, SETH IS WHEN YOU COMPILED THIS INFORMATION, DID WE GET WITH THE, UH, I MEAN, DID WE GET WITH THE AGC, THE HBA? I MEAN, WHAT, UH, WHAT GROUPS WERE PARTICIPATING IN THIS, PROVIDING YOU WITH THE INFORMATION? WELL, SO WE, WE DID REACH OUT TO THOSE ORGANIZATIONS AND WITH THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, WE WEREN'T GETTING, UM, THE PERMIT TYPE DATA. 
          WE WERE GETTING JUST THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THE ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF THE CHALLENGES OF MEETING OR NOT MEETING IT. 
          UM, AND SO WITH ADC, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THEY REACHED OUT TO SOME OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND GATHER SOME FEEDBACK AND PROVIDED THAT TO US, BUT WE WEREN'T TRYING TO COLLECT DATA FROM THOSE ORGANIZATIONS IN TERMS OF GENERATION READINESS AND COST, THINGS LIKE THAT AGAIN, BUT THEY'RE A GREAT SOURCE. 
          I MEAN, SINCERELY GUYS, THEY ARE THE FOOT SOLDIERS OUT THERE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT COULD BE, COULD BE ENCOUNTERED IN PROVIDING THESE TYPES OF SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, GUYS, THIS IS THIS AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO RECONVENE THE A C AND D SUB COMMITTEE. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AT PERHAPS OUR NEXT MEETING TO SEE IF WE CAN'T ACCOMPLISH THAT, OF GETTING THE SUB COMMITTEE BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. 
          AND I THINK I'M SORRY. 
          YES, YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          PLEASE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          JEFF JACOBY, JEFFREY. 
          HELLO, JEFFREY JACOBY. 
          HELLO, GIVE ME A SECOND. 
          LET ME CHECK ON THE SPEAKER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS SCOTT FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH. 
          I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY WHO'S LOGGED ON AND I DON'T THINK I SAW SOMEBODY WITH THE NAME OF JEFF JACOBY STOLE THE LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO C AND THEN WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIVE MINUTES LEFT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, 
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COMMISSIONERS A BOY. 
          AND LET ME DEFER TO YOU CAN PLEASE, AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL BUDGET ITSELF IS CONCERNED, THAT GOES TO COUNCIL ON, UH, IS IT, UH, AUGUST? 
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I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN AUGUST, I, YOU KNOW, I I'D LIKE TO SAY A MILLION THINGS ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT THERE'S REALLY NOTHING TO SAY. 
          THAT MAKES ANY SENSE. 
          I MEAN, THESE ARE SUCH A UNCHARTED WATERS. 
          NOW. 
          I KNOW EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE FACING CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO FINDING DOLLARS AND CENTS AND MORE MAKING SENSE OF WHAT, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING HERE. 
          YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE TO THIS DAY, I KNOW THE STATE OF TEXAS IS GOING TO GO THROUGH A LEGISLATIVE SESSION BEGINNING IN JANUARY, WHERE THE TALK IS NOT NICE AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. 
          AND A LOT OF TIMES THAT FILTERS DOWN TO US AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          AND HERE, CAN I, AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO FACE WITH, UH, WITH OUR DEPARTMENT, BUT HAVING SAID THAT I HAVE ABSOLUTE FAITH THAT STAFF AND OUR, UH, OUR COMMUNITY WILL RALLY BEHIND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. 
          AND WE'LL GET, UH, WE'LL GET THIS PROGRAM ROLLING ALONG IN AUGUST. 
          WE SHOULD HAVE, OR PERHAPS IN JULY, BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL, WE SHOULD HAVE, WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING IF THE, UH, BUDGET OFFICE WILL ACCEPT THE, UH, ORIGINAL INCREASES THAT WE WERE SEEKING. 
          AND THAT, UH, IS I'M REFERRING TO THE $4 INCREASE IN THE, UH, IN THE CUSTOMER SERVICE OR THE BASE RATE, I SHOULD SAY. 
          I MEAN, AND THOSE ARE DOLLARS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO REPAY OURSELVES FOR THE ROLLOUT OF A LOT OF THESE PROGRAMS, ALL THE DIFFERENT COSTS. 
          SO I WOULD LOVE TO MAYBE IN JULY HAVE AN UPDATE ON IF ANY PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE TO THAT AND DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AND LIKE, TO INCLUDE THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR 20 BUDGET DISCUSSION BACK ON THE, UH, A JULY MEETING AND COMMISSIONERS THERE TOO, WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE A JULY MEETING IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, BUT, UH, IF THE WILL OF THIS COMMISSION BE, AND KNOWING THAT WE DO HAVE SOME CHALLENGING TIMES AHEAD OF US, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, IF WE COULD PERHAPS PLAN ON A GATHERING SOMETIME IN JULY, JUST TO, TO CONTINUE THIS, THIS PROCESS HERE. 
          I'M OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I SUPPORT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, JOHN. 
          GREAT. 
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AND THEN THE OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEM, I THINK A, CAN AN IN YOUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT, YOU WERE GOING TO DISCUSS THE ACTUAL, A HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE, UH, UH, REOPENING OR REUSE OF THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT IN ITSELF IS, UH, SOMETHING PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE AS A STANDALONE AND, UH, IN JULY AND GET, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS IN THEIR COMMISSIONERS AND THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT THAT, UH, ADDRESS THE, UH, A LOT OF THESE, UH, A LOT OF THESE ITEMS. AND AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE THOSE AS DISCUSSION ACTION ITEMS IN JULY. 
          WE, UH, WE CHOOSE TO DO SO. 
          I THINK THE END, THE DIRECTOR'S REPORT, THE TIMELINE IS LAID OUT IN THERE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING, AND THEN BEING FULLY OPEN, UH, ON JULY 6TH. 
          THANK YOU, KEN. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? I 
          [Item 4]
GUESS I HAVE A, MAYBE A REQUEST FOR NEXT MEETING. 
          UM, THE, AS I RECALL THE, UM, UH, INCREASE IN REQUIRED, UH, RECYCLING CAPACITY IS SCHEDULED TO GO INTO EFFECT. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER 1ST FOR MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS. 
          AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT IS BEING DONE TO REACH OUT TO ALL OF THOSE, UH, PROPERTY OWNERS, MANAGERS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT AHEAD OF TIME AND TAKING ACTION, BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, UM, PROPERTIES THAT I'VE SEEN RECENTLY, WHICH ISN'T A LOT, JUST THE ONES NEAR ME. 
          UM, I HAVEN'T SEEN LIKE A FLURRY OF CONSTRUCTION OR ANYTHING TO CHANGE WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING. 
          SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HAPPENING. 
          GOOD, GOOD THOUGHT. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          THIS IS JAMIE CTU. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THE SPEAKER HAS HUNG UP. 
           HELLO? THE SPEAKER HAS HUNG UP. 
          YES, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          COULD WE LOOK INTO A FUTURE DATES? PRETTY PLEASED. 
          AND CAN I, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          AND 
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JUST, UH, WE HAVE ON THE SCHEDULE OF JULY 8TH, WE NEED 20 WONDERFUL JULY 8TH, 2020 COMMISSIONERS. 
          IS THAT GOING TO WORK? WELL, WE WILL SEE BASED ON SCHEDULING AND HOW VIDEO CONFERENCING GOES BACK, PUSHED OUT SLIGHTLY, BUT FOR NOW WE HAVE JULY EIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COULD, COULD I ASK, HI, THIS IS AMANDA. 
          MUSSINO SORRY. 
          I DON'T HAVE VIDEO. 
          COULD I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT WHY WE CONTINUE TO BE LIMITED TO THE HOUR AND A HALF? CAUSE I THINK THE LAST TWO MEETINGS HAVE SHOWN US. 
          IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT FOR OUR BUSINESS. 
          SO WHY CAN'T WE MEET IN THE EVENING AT OUR NORMAL TIME FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME? YES, THIS IS MY CHARTER. 
          AND THEN IT'S DIRECTED BY THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHO MANAGES ALL THE MEETINGS FOR COUNCIL AND COMMISSIONS. 
          SO IT'S REALLY A TIME MANAGEMENT THING AND A RESOURCE THING WITHIN THE CONSTRUCT TO HAVE THESE WEB MEETINGS. 
          SO IT'S YOUR OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY THAT DON'T TAKE PLACE WHEN WE HAVE TO MEET IN PERSON AND IT CAUSES SERIOUS TIME CONSTRAINTS. 
          THAT'S ONE REASON WHY JAMIE HAD MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE JULY, APRIL ON THE DOCKET, BUT THAT COULD CHANGE BASED ON THE NEEDS OF COUNCIL AND OTHER COMMISSIONS. 
          IS IT, IS IT LIKE THE BANDWIDTH OF THIS SOFTWARE? YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T HAVE AS MANY SIMULTANEOUS SESSIONS OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING PHYSICAL SPACES. 
          IT'S JUST A LITTLE FRUSTRATING THAT, UM, DESPITE THAT WE SEE MORE RESTRICTED THAN WE WERE WHEN WE WERE MEETING IN PERSON. 
          YES. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF WEBEX AND WEBEX HAS CAPABILITIES. 
          IT'S THE OVERALL MANAGING THAT ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS GOES IN BED, GOES INTO SETTING UP THESE WEB MEETINGS AND RESOURCES. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THAT'S CORRECT. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          THE TEAMS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE ACTUAL SYSTEM ARE WORKING ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S SOME SUPPORT ISSUES WITH THE PROGRAM TO INCLUDE OFFICE SPACE, SUCH AS COUNCIL CHANGE BECAUSE IT'S BEING USED AS WELL TO MANAGE A LOT OF, UM, IV ACTIVITIES. 
          UM, THIS IS KIVA. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT MIGHT BE THE REALITY OF HOW THINGS ARE SET UP RIGHT NOW, BUT I GUESS I WILL JUST KIND OF SECOND MADE THIS FRUSTRATION, UM, AND MAYBE REQUEST THAT, REALIZING THAT MAYBE PROBABLY NOBODY ON THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT THAT THIS BE CONVEYED. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THIS COMMISSION WOULD MAYBE LIKE SOME MORE TIME AND I SUSPECT THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          UM, AND MAYBE THE PROCESS COULD BE ALTERED SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE DOING THIS FOR ANOTHER YEAR. 
          SO WE HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION. 
          THIS IS MIKE TURNER WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND YOU'RE CORRECT THAT MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE MADE THAT SAME REQUEST. 
          THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE HAD THEM FIND GENDER. 
          SO THE ORIGINAL AGENDA, WASN'T MUCH SMALLER TO GIVE MORE TIME A LOT OF TEACHERS TALKING POINTS, BUT, UM, TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS REQUESTED OF US TO BE COMMUNICATED, WE ADDED ITEMS TO AGENDA. 
          SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO HAVE A MORE CONDENSED AGENDA THAT WAY WE COULD GIVE THEM A SPEAKING TIME INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. SO WE ARE VERY SYMPATHETIC, THE NEED TO HAVE FOR DISCUSSION. 
          SO THAT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO GET MORE TIME POSSIBLE, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MICROPHONE. 
          SO YOU COULD HAVE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY THERE. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE WORKAROUNDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, AND WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          IN FACT, UH, KATHY, GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, MAYBE INSTEAD OF SUGGESTING MEETING EVERY TWO WEEKS, I WONDER IF EVERY THREE WEEKS WE COULD MEET THAT WAY WE COULD COVER EVERYTHING WE NEED TO STAFF, OR I CAN CHECK WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT THEY RUN A TIGHT SCHEDULE. 
          UM, SO I WILL GET BACK TO YOU. 
          I WILL HAVE AN UPDATE BY EMAIL NEXT WEEK. 
          YOU KNOW, JAMIE, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, IF WE COULD FIND, UH, OP ALL, UH, OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD BE UTILIZED, IT'D BE WONDERFUL. 
          WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE PRETTY DARN QUICK. 
          AND I, AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS PROBABLY AGAIN, A VERY UNORTHODOX WAY TO GET TOGETHER AND TRY TO CONDUCT BUSINESS, BUT NONETHELESS STAFF, YOU DID A GREAT JOB COMMISSIONERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE PATIENTS AND A BOY UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN. 
          THAT'LL BE SOON. 
          I HOPE, BUT I'LL ENTERTAIN IT. 
          I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION GERMAN. 
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JOHN, DO YOU WANT TO YAWN MOTION? DO I HEAR A SECOND? THIS IS JONATHAN. 
          THANK YOU, JONATHAN. 
          THANK YOU ALL I HEARING NO DISCUSSION. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          JUST HANG UP. 
          BYE BYE. 
          HAVE A GREAT SAFE WEEK. 
           MOUNTAIN JUSTICE. 
          .
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