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THAT COMMISSIONER DANCLER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO JOIN US TONIGHT.
SO MIGHT AS WELL START THE BALL ROLLING.
UM, SO WE CAN JUST GET ON WITH IT.
SO TONIGHT, SO IF IT'S OKAY, I'LL START TONIGHT.
STONING AND PLANNING, COMMISSION MEETING, AND FIRST THING FOR A TECH STAFF.
AND ALSO I'VE BEEN ASKED TO REMIND EVERYONE TO MUTE THEIR MIKES, EVEN IF THEIR OFFICE IS COMPLETELY QUIET BECAUSE OPEN MICS CAN CREATE AN ECHO CHAMBER.
SO, AND I WILL TRY TO DO THAT TOO.
SO FIRST, TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 16TH, 2020, AND
[Reading of the Agenda]
OUR AGENDA IS A SUCH A ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR JUNE 2ND, 2020.THAT GOES ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, BE ONE.
UM, B ONE REZONING C 14 DASH 2019 DASH ZERO ONE SIX TO SLAUGHTER AND CULLEN.
AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM B TO REZONING.
SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FOUR ONE HOUR STOWERS OR STICKERS AND CHILLER THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
THE THREE REZONING SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FIVE ZERO 3,100 SCOFIELD RIDGE PARKWAY.
THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE SEE 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FIVE FIVE.
THE COOPER TRACK COMMERCIAL, AND THAT IS ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
A B FIVE SITE PLAN S P DASH 2019 DASH ZERO FOUR ONE SEVEN D ADDITIONAL 300 K GROUNDWATER STORAGE TANK IMPROVEMENTS THREE 60.
AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
B SIX SITE PLAN SPC DASH 2019 DASH ZERO FIVE SIX THREE D PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT SERVICES.
AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM B SEVEN SITE PLAN SPC DASH 2019 DASH ZERO ONE 47.
AND THAT IS A CONSENT THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
B EIGHT PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT J DASH 2018 DASH ZERO ONE SIX SEVEN ADDISON SECTION FIVE, A PRELIMINARY PLAN.
AND I READ THE CONSENT AGENDA BEFORE TAKING ROLES.
SO, UM, WHY DON'T I JUST TAKE ROME AND, UM, AND WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN I'LL GROUP THE ITEMS. OKAY.
UH, COMMISSIONER BRAY HERE, COMMISSIONER DANCLER.
SHE TOLD ME SHE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER KING HERE.
L A COMMISSIONER RAY HERE, COMMISSIONER SMITH HERE.
SO, UM, AND WITH THAT, S SORRY TO DO THAT A LITTLE BIT BACKWARDS.
[Consent Agenda]
UM, BUT I READ THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THE ITEMS ARE GROUPED AS SUCH.UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA IS A ONE THE MINUTES AND B TWO BE FIVE AND BE SEVEN, AND BE A COMMISSIONER, A GEARY.
THE MINUTES NEED TO BE CORRECTED TO REFLECT THE VOTING FOR ITEM C.
ONE IN THE COMMISSIONER SAID VOTED IN PAPER.
THE BOOK WAS SIX, TWO, FOUR, THE COMMISSIONER SPOKE PAPERWORK CHAIR, KIELBASA, VICE CHAIR, BARRERA MITAS COMMISSIONER PSYCHE, RED KING AND BANKER.
THOSE VOTING NAMES WERE COMMISSIONER SPRAY SMITH, EVANS, AND RAY.
UM, SO, UH, ANDREW, ARE YOU THERE? AND CAN WE MAKE, CAN WE MAKE, UM, I JUST WANT CONFIRMATION THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CORRECT THOSE MINUTES, NO LONGER MUTED.
THANKS WITH THE AMENDED, THE MINUTES AS AMENDED.
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IS THERE A MOTION TO, UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'D LIKE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS WITH THE PUBLISHER OR ITEMS TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SEVEN, AND EIGHT ARE APPROVED, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? YES.IS THERE A SECOND IN THE MINUTES? OH YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
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ONTO OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM A AND THAT'S B ONE AND THE, AND WENDY RHODES IS THE CASE MANAGER.I'LL BEGIN WITH THE ZONING CASE AT SLAUGHTER AND COLON, UH, C 14 2019 ZERO ONE 62.
THIS IS A PLANET L-SHAPE LOT THAT HAS BOTH ACCESS TO SLAUGHTER LANE AND COLIN LANE.
IT'S HIS OWN COMMERCIAL, UH, COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, UH, WHAT THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY BY TWO CASES THAT WERE DONE IN 2007, THE WESTERN PORTION IS MODERATELY TREATED.
THERE IS A LARGE TREE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE LOT ON SLAUGHTER LANE.
AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MODIFY THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY SPECIFICALLY.
THEY WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE TWO RESTAURANT USES THE RESTAURANT GENERAL RESTAURANT LIMITED FROM THE PROHIBITED YOUTH LIST.
OTHERWISE THE COUNCIL APPROVED CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT INCLUDES A LENGTHY PROHIBITED USE LIST, A 35 FOOT HEIGHT LIMIT VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY AT A PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED.
SO IT'S JUST REMOVING THE TWO RESTAURANT USES FROM THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS ANTICIPATING THAT THIS THE APP THAT THE RESTAURANT WILL BE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE LOT IN FRONT, ON SQUATTER LANE.
HOWEVER, UM, ACCESS FROM THIS SITE WOULD BE TAKEN FROM COLLIN LANE BECAUSE OF THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY SEPARATION.
THIS DISTANCE IS NEEDED BETWEEN DRIVEWAYS CANNOT BE MET.
THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, UH, BASED ON ITS LOCATION ON AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY AND A COLLECTOR STREET.
UH, WE BELIEVE THAT THE RESTAURANT USE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT GRC A LOT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR OFFICE AND RETAIL USES.
AND, UM, THE RESTAURANT USES APPROXIMATELY 240 FEET FROM THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE IN PARK RIDGE SUBDIVISION.
UH, TO THAT END, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS FROM THE PARK RIDGE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION THAT ARE SIGNED UP TO, TO SPEAK.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, UH, AND I, I BELIEVE THAT IS, UH, NICOLE MEAD.
I, NICOLE, YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES, MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, UM, AS WENDY SAID, THE SITE WE ARE HERE ABOUT TONIGHT IS A ONE POINT I'M SORRY.
I HEAR SOME THING IN THE BACKGROUND.
IT'S A 1.27 ACRE SITE THAT IS A SMALLER PART OF THE TRACK THAT I'M SURE YOU WILL HEAR A LOT ABOUT TONIGHT IN THE COMMENTS WE'RE LOCATED ON SLAUGHTER LANE, JUST WEST OF CONGRESS IN SOUTH PARK MEADOWS, JUST TO GIVE YOU YOUR BEARINGS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS RUNNING THE SLIDE.
IF YOU COULD GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE, IT'S JUST A PHOTO OF THE SITE.
UM, JUST TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE AT THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IF SOMEONE COULD GO TO THE THIRD SLIDE, UM, THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN ACROSS SLAUGHTER LANE LOOKING TOWARD THE SITE.
I'M JUST GOING TO PROCEED WITHOUT THE SIDES.
CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT MOVING, UM, OUR REQUEST.
UM, I'M NOW ON SLIDE NUMBER FIVE.
OUR REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE ZONING TO REMOVE, AS WENDY SAID, ONE PROHIBITED USE, WHICH IS RESTAURANT TO MAKE THAT USE PERMITTED.
AND I GUESS TECHNICALLY IT'S TWO IT'S RESTAURANT LIMITED IN GENERAL.
UM, THE SITE IS ZONED GR AS WENDY SAID, AND IT HAS 27 USES
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THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ALLOWED IN GR, UM, BUT WILL BE PROHIBITED ON THIS SITE.AND SO I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ALTER ANY OF THOSE OTHER USES ALSO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN THE SITE WAS REZONED IN 2006, IN ADDITION TO THE USE RESTRICTIONS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED SEVERAL OTHER RESTRICTIONS TO BE ADDED, AND THEY WERE ADDED INCLUDING THINGS LIKE AN UNDISTURBED VEGETATIVE BUFFER, UM, THAT THE SITE WOULD COMPLY WITH SCENIC ROADWAY SIGN RESTRICTIONS THAT THE HOURS OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE LIMITED THAT ANY 24 HOUR BUSINESS WOULD BE AT LEAST 200 FEET AWAY FROM RESIDENCES.
ALL OF THOSE RESTRICTIONS WILL REMAIN IN PLACE AND STILL APPLY TO OUR SITE.
I ALSO NEGLECTED TO LIST IT ON THE SLIDE AND THE SLIDES, BUT THERE ALSO IS A HEIGHT RESTRICTION OF A MAXIMUM OF 35 FEET, WHICH APPLIES TO OUR SITE.
WE KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORS FROM PARK RIDGE ARE HERE TONIGHT AND OPPOSE THE REQUEST, AND WE DO UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERN, BUT WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST TO REMOVE ONE OF 27 PROHIBITED USES REALLY WILL HAVE A MINIMAL IF ANY IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTIAL AREA CLOSEST TO US.
UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY OF WHAT YOU'LL HEAR TONIGHT, I THINK IS THAT ALLOWING A RESTAURANT HERE IS REALLY NOT THE SAME SITUATION AS IT WAS IN 2006, 2007.
AND HERE'S WHY IF YOU COULD GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, PLEASE, THE ZONING CASE THAT WAS DONE IN 2006, UM, WHICH YIELDED ALL OF THESE RESTRICTIONS WITH FOUR VERY DIFFERENT TRACKS, IF SOMEONE COULD FORWARD TO ADVANCE TO SLIDE SEVEN, UH, WHAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, UH, FOR REZONING IN 2007 WERE TWO AREAS THAT MADE UP ABOUT 5.6.
AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THAT SLIDE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN'T.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TWO AREAS THAT ARE SHADED OR THE AREAS THAT WERE REZONED, IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, UM, SINCE THAT TIME, THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN RESET, DIVIDED, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
AND, UH, THE TRACT IN PURPLE IS NOW THE TRACK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S AN ENTIRELY OTHER DEVELOPABLE TRACK THAT IS BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS, UH, AN OPPOSITION.
AND AS WENDY SAID, WE ARE MORE THAN 240 FEET AWAY FROM THEM.
UH, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE CIRCLES THAT YOU SEE TO THE LEFT ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND YOU CAN SEE IN YELLOW, THE AREA THAT WE'RE ASKING TO REZONE, AGAIN, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT TRACK THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD CONCERNS ABOUT WHEN THE SITE WAS REZONED IN 2006, 2007, WE KNOW YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT SMELLS AND NOISE AND LIGHTS, BUT WE WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF RESTAURANTS, UM, IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD UP AND DOWN SLAUGHTER LANE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE WHERE IT DOESN'T SEEM LOGICAL TO US TO PROHIBIT THAT YOUTH ON THIS SINGLE TRACT, WHEN YOU HAVE THAT YOUTH ALL OVER SLAUGHTER AND IN FACT, CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN WE WILL BE FOR THESE REASONS WE ASKED FOR THE COMMISSION'S APPROVAL, UM, OF AGAIN, JUST ALLOWING THIS ONE PROHIBITED USE.
I ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT WE DID GET A QUESTION FROM A COMMISSIONER ABOUT WHETHER WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I MADE CONTACT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN DECEMBER, IN JANUARY.
UH, I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK WITH SUSAN HAMBRIGHT AND, UH, AS THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AT THAT TIME, THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONVEYED THAT IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A RESTAURANT, THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO MEET, UH, THEY FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE ZONING SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED.
UM, BUT WE THINK THAT, UH, THE SCENARIO IS DIFFERENT AND THAT A CHANGE IS WARRANTED AND REALLY WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE IMPACT ON, ON THEM AND ON THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO WITH THAT, UM, COMMISSIONERS, WE REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.
AND ALSO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR IS MICAH KING AND MICAH YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES INTROVERT.
HE'S NOT SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM.
THEN WE'LL GO TO, UM, THOSE WHO ARE SIGNED UP TO, UH, IN, UH, IN OPPOSITION AND, UM, IS THERE A PARTICULAR, IF NOT, I WILL JUST GO WITH, UM, SUSAN HAMBRIGHT IS SIGNED UP FIRST AND SHE'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES UNLESS THERE THERE'S A PREFERRED
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ORDER FOR THE SPEAKERS.I LIVE I'M MUTING MYSELF AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW LONG YOU SAID I HAD SIX MINUTES, UM, AS THE FIRST SPEAKER, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WE HAD UNDERSTOOD THAT WE ONLY HAD THREE MINUTES.
I'VE GOT A PRETTY LENGTHY NOVEL FOR YOU.
SO THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME.
UM, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
MY NAME IS SUSAN HAMBRIGHT AND I'M ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF PARK RIDGE.
WE'RE TRULY DISAPPOINTED TO BE BACK HERE FIGHTING THIS ISSUE THAT WAS SETTLED IN 2007, DESPITE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS, REALLY, NOTHING HAS CHANGED FOR PARKRIDGE SINCE THEN, EXCEPT THAT IN 2015, A NEW ENTITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
AND WE JUST USED THAT ANY RESTAURANT USES CLOSER TO US IN THIS LOCATION, THEY WERE AWARE OF, THEN THAT RESTAURANT USES WERE PROHIBITED AND THAT WE WOULD OPPOSE ANY EFFORTS TO REMOVE THOSE USES.
UM, I REACHED OUT TO APPLICANT AND FINALLY MADE, MADE TOUCH BASES WITH THEM RATHER THAN VICE VERSA.
IN 2007, THE ZONING COMMISSIONERS LED BY THE LEGENDARY BETTY BAKER DID NOT RULE AT THE FIRST HEARING ON THIS MATTER, BUT PUT A COALITION OF PARKWOODS NEIGHBORS, APPLICANT AND THE CITY TOGETHER TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT.
THE 2007 COMMISSIONS IN THE END, AGREED AND DETERMINED AT RESTAURANT USES WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO PARKWOODS RESTAURANT USE WAS NUMBER ONE ON OUR LIST.
WE HOPE THAT YOU AGREE THAT THE HARD WORK THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY ZAP AND THAT THERE IS NO REASON FOR THIS BODY TO QUESTION THAT RULING APPLICANT ADVISED US THAT THE PROPOSED TENANT IS A FRIED CHICKEN, FAST FOOD FRANCHISE CALLED RAISING CANES, WHOSE WEBSITE INDICATES THAT AUSTRIAN AREA LOCATIONS ARE OPEN UNTIL ONE AND 2:00 AM.
AND ONE LOCATION IS OPEN UNTIL THREE 30 IN THE MORNING, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CONDITIONS ON HOURS OF NEWS.
THERE WOULD BE NO REMEDY AVAILABLE.
IF THIS COMMISSION THROWS OUT, BUT 2007 RULING THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THIS PROPERTY IS SUCH THAT IT SITS ABOVE PARK REDS.
SO NO BUFFER CAN ADEQUATELY STOP THE SMELL OF FRIED CHICKEN LIGHT FROM CARS, CIRCLING THE PARKING LOT, OR SOUND FROM THE LOUDSPEAKERS, FROM WALKING INTO OUR HOMES.
I WON'T EVEN START ON THE TRAFFIC ON FLUTTER AND COLLIN, WHICH IS ALREADY ON THE CITY'S TOP 10 MOST ACCIDENT PRONE INTERSECTIONS ON IT'S VERY SAFE, A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT OPENED UNTIL EARLY MORNING HOURS COULD NEVER COMPLY WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCES.
SO FOR THOSE OBVIOUS ISSUES, RESTAURANTS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
EVEN IF APPLICANT AGREED TO REDUCE THE HOURS, THERE COULD BE NO ONE FORCEMENT OF ANY SUCH AGREEMENTS.
IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS PLAN BEING GOOD FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS, BEEN PLEASED HONOR, BETTY BAKER'S LEGACY AND UPHOLD THE 2007 RULING FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
BETTY BAKER WAS NOTHING, IF NOT THOROUGH.
AND SHE COULD READ YOU THE ZONING RULES BACKWARDS WITH HER EYES CLOSED.
SHE KNEW THAT THE 2007 DECISION WAS RIGHT.
WE WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH APPLICANT ON ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE PROHIBITED LIST, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A LIST THAT WAS, THAT WAS, THAT CAME UP BY WAY OF THE CITY RATHER THAN, UH, BY THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS ISSUE IS TERRIBLY IMPORTANT FOR PARKER IS, AND IF YOU CANNOT EASILY VOTE NO TONIGHT, THEN PLEASE DELAY YOUR RULING UNTIL MORE DISCUSSION CAN BE HELD.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AND THEN NEXT STEP TO SPEAK IS STEPHANIE LINDHOLM AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND THEN AFTER HER IS ELIZABETH CARSON, JEAN BARRETT AND KATHERINE FERNANDEZ.
SO, BUT STEPHANIE LYNN HOME YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, JUST REMINDER TO PARTICIPANTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE TO SELECT STAR SIX TOO.
YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
UH, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE LYNN HOME AND I AM THE HOMEOWNER AT 91 21 BY CIRCLE.
I SHARE A BACKYARD FENCE WITH THE PROPERTY OFF COLON AND SLAUGHTER.
UM, AS SOMEONE WHO'S NOW FACING THE POSSIBILITY OF SHARING A BACKYARD WITH THE SMELL OF GREASE PITS AND DUMPSTERS WITH ROTTING FOOD, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY OPPOSED THE REMOVAL OF RESTAURANTS IN THE
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PROHIBITED LIST OF USES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET THAT LIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.AND IT WOULD BE NEGLECTFUL OF THIS COMMISSION TO DISMISS THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST REMOVAL WOULD IN TURN AFFECT.
THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY YOU SHOULD VOTE AGAINST THE REMOVAL OF RESTAURANTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, PROHIBITED BLISS.
THE FIRST THING IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD FIT INTO THE CRITERIA OR THE PROPERTY OFF COLIN AND SLAUGHTER THAT IT WOULD, THAT WOULD NOT BE DISRUPTIVE TO THIS, THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME DISRUPTIVE SIDE EFFECTS THAT COME WITH A RESTAURANT, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO ODORS EXHAUST FROM CARS, SITTING IN LINE, UH, THE SOUND OF PEOPLE ORDERING THE SOUND OF PEOPLE'S CARS, THE SOUND OF TRAFFIC, THE SOUND OF DUMPSTERS, THE SMELL FROM THE DUMPSTERS, THE PESTS FROM THE DUMPSTERS, FROM THE FOOD.
UM, THE SECOND IS THAT REMOVING ONE ITEM FROM THIS LIST SET THE PRECEDENT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN.
AND I PERSONALLY WOULD BE VERY DEVASTATED TO SEE THE PROTECTIONS OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'VE WORKED SO HARD FOR.
BE COMPLETELY DISREGARDED IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THIS ONE ACTION NOW.
UM, AND IN THE INTEREST OF BEING BRIEF, UH, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD VOTE THE SAME IF YOU LIVED HERE.
IF YOU HAD TO SMELL THE GREASE TRAPS EVERY MORNING, JUST SMELL THE EXHAUST, TO HEAR THE ENGINE, TO SEE THE LIGHTS SHINING THROUGH YOUR WINDOW.
YOU HEAR PEOPLE SHOUTING INTO THE LOUDSPEAKER ABOUT THEIR FAMILY ORDER INSIDE OF SAUCE.
UM, I HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER THIS CHANGE AS IF IT WERE PERSONALLY AFFECTING OR ZEN SPACE, THE PLACE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR MORNING COFFEE AND WHAT YOU CALL YOUR HOME.
UM, AND ON THAT SAME NOTE, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE APPLICANT, UM, WHO USED A CERTAIN TONE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD HEAR FROM US TODAY ABOUT SOUNDS AND SMELLS AND LIGHTS.
AND I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO IMAGINE IF THOSE SOUNDS AND THOSE SMELLS AND THOSE LIGHTS WERE IN YOUR BACKYARD SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE I'M SURE THE TONE WOULD CHANGE WHEN IT AFFECTS YOU.
UM, AND THIS AFFECTS US A LOT.
SO I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY TODAY AND UNDERSTANDS THAT EVERYONE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS AGAINST HAVING THIS BEHIND US.
UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
IT WAS ELSBETH CARSON AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND THEN GENE BARRETT, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONSIDERING MY THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.
MY NAME IS BEN CARSON AND I AM AGAINST THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REMOVE RESTAURANT EXEMPTION.
UH, THIS IS MY FIRST HOME PURCHASE AND I'VE LIVED AT 91 OH NINE VISION CIRCLE FOR 11 MONTHS.
UH, SINCE JULY, 2019, I'VE LIVED IN AUSTIN SINCE 2003 AND RENTED NEARLY 14 DIFFERENT PLACES ALL THROUGHOUT THIS GREAT CITY.
UM, I LOVE AUSTIN AND I LOVE THE PEOPLE I'VE MET HERE.
AND AFTER GRADUATING IN 2007, I WANTED TO STAY AND WORK IN AUSTIN AND MAKE IT MY HOME.
UM, I IMMEDIATELY HAD TO GET A JOB.
AND SO I WENT DOWN A TOWN AND I GOT HIRED AT FRANK AND ANGIE'S PIZZERIA MY BOSSES, LOCALS.
WE SUPPORTED THE MUSICIANS THAT WORK THERE.
HE SUPPORTED ME BY GOING BACK TO SCHOOL, UM, AND BECOMING A TEACHER.
UM, SO I WENT BACK TO SCHOOL TO BE A TEACHER.
AND I WORKED AT A RESTAURANT WHILE STUDENT TEACHING, PAYING TUITION, UM, FOR UT WORKING 30 HOURS A WEEK AT BOOBY HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN FOUR NIGHTS AT THE PEOPLE.
YEAH, I WAS GOING DEEPER INTO THAT TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN AUSTIN AND I WANTED TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY.
AND I WANTED THAT TO ME, COULD BE AUSTIN.
I JUST RECENTLY FINISHED MY 10TH YEAR TEACHING SOCIAL STUDIES TO MIDDLE SCHOOLERS, UM, AT LIVELY MIDDLE SCHOOL FORMALLY FOR MORE.
AND THE LAST THREE MONTHS OF MY TEACHING WAS DONE REMOTELY FROM MY VERY FIRST HOME.
YES, CARDINALS, BLUEJAYS, BUTTERFLIES, VULTURES, EVEN SQUIRRELS IN MY BACKYARD HAVE GIVEN SO MANY SILVER LININGS AND THIS GRAY DESTRUCTION OF THEIR HABITAT CAR TRAFFIC, DUMPSTER PICKUPS, WHICH WE ALREADY HEAR FROM ACROSS THE STREET WOULD IMPACT MY QUALITY OF LIFE NEGATIVELY.
AND I MIGHT BE STILL BE TEACHING MY HOME.
THE REASON I OBJECT THE MOST THOUGH, IS THAT FAST FOOD RESTAURANT PRO, ALTHOUGH THEY PROVIDE VITAL JOBS, THEY DO NOT PAY WAGES THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO LIVE IN AUSTIN BEFORE COVID RESTAURANTS LIKE SONIC AND CHICK-FIL-A, WE'RE STILL HIRING ACROSS THE STREET.
UNEMPLOYMENT WAS AT A RECORD LOW TODAY.
I SEARCHED FOR JOBS IN SOUTH PARK MEADOWS, WHICH IS JUST LESS THAN A MILE.
AND THERE WERE OVER A HUNDRED OPENINGS FOR FRONT AND BACK OF STAFF IN THERE AND A FAST FOOD, CHICKEN PLACE LIKE RAISING CANE.
THE AVERAGE SALARY, ACCORDING TO GLASS DOOR WAS 10 73 AN HOUR, AND CALCULATED FOR FOUR WEEKS.
PEOPLE MAKE BEFORE TAXES, $1,700, AN AVERAGE RENT, ACCORDING TO THE STATESMAN WAS $1,100 FOR A ONE BEDROOM.
HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO PAY FOR FOOD, HEALTHCARE AND JOE AND THE FAMILIES.
IF THEY HAVE JOBS, WE NEED HIGH PAYING JOBS FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT CAN CONTINUE TO AUSTIN TO SUSTAINABLY GROW THE DECISION.
NOT TIL OUR RESTAURANT USED TO BE A LOCAL DECISION TO ENSURE THAT AUSTINITES ARE NOT
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CAUGHT UP IN THE CYCLE OF WORKING MULTIPLE LOW PAYING JOBS JUST TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN AUSTIN.ANOTHER RESTAURANT, ESPECIALLY IN THESE UNCERTAIN TIMES, COVID BANKRUPTING SO MANY LOCALLY OWNED.
AUSTIN RESTAURANTS SEEMS LIKE A WIN FOR PROFITS AND NOT FOR PEOPLE.
PLEASE PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND REJECT THE RESTAURANT EXEMPTIONS.
AND THEN JEAN BART, AND AFTER JEAN BART AS KATHERINE FERNANDEZ, THEN SHIRLEY MASTERSON.
UM, THIS IS JEAN BARRETT AND I LIVE AT NINE OH FIVE SEVEN VISION CIRCLE.
UH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 19 YEARS AND I WAS IN ON THIS, UH, BACK IN 2007 WHEN IT WAS LITIGATED.
AND IT SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WANT, ESPECIALLY DID NOT WANT RESTAURANTS.
UM, NOTHING HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN, EXCEPT, UH, THERE'S A DIFFERENT PERSON TRYING TO SET THIS UP NOW AND, OR THE DEVELOPER, WHAT I MEANT.
UM, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE HE'S AN AUSTIN RESIDENT, THE MAIN THING WE WERE, UM, BUT NOTHING HAS CHANGED, BUT THE IDEA OF HAVING, UH, SPEAKERS AND HEADLIGHTS FLASHING INTO THE BACK OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND CARS AND EXHAUSTS, AND ESPECIALLY IN THE WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING HAVING SPEAKER AND, UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD WANT IN THEIR BAG.
YEAH, I GUESS IT'S JUST THAT I DON'T HAVE A LOT MORE TO SAY ABOUT THIS, EXCEPT THAT NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THIS.
AND I HOPE THAT THE ZONING BOARD WILL CONSIDER THAT.
I KNOW TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF THIS PLACE WERE IN YOUR BACKYARD.
AND NOW CATHERINE FERNANDEZ AND SHIRLEY MASTERSON THAN MEGAN EARHART.
HELLO, MY NAME'S KATHERINE FERNANDEZ.
A VEGAN CIRCLE VISIT WAS UP FOR D THE FATE, HOW YOU PRONOUNCE THAT.
SO, UM, I'VE BEEN HERE 10 YEARS AND I'M RAISING A DAUGHTER WHO PLAYS IN MY BACKYARD OFTEN.
AND OFTENTIMES THE, THE WALK FROM CHICK-FIL-A WILL COME OVER AND YES, IT, THERE ARE OTHER FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS IN OUR AREA.
UM, AND EVERY TIME UNDOUBTEDLY WITH THE REQUEST OF LIKE, LET'S GO GET CHICK FILET, CAN WE GO GET, AND YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE THAT EFFECT.
UM, I, I GUESS I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD.
I THINK I'M REALLY PROUD OF MY NEIGHBORS ALMOST TO TEARS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE IN PARK RIDGE, NEW AND OLD COMING TOGETHER.
BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE CONCERN BECAUSE IT IS TRUE.
I CAN HEAR THE DUMPSTERS BEING EMPTIED IN SOUTH PARK MEADOWS ACROSS THE STREET.
WE DO GET BROADENS FROM ACROSS THE STREET.
SO I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHEN THAT ENTERS TO RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
UM, I DO I HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT HEARING THE, HEARING THE ORDERS THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH ALL THE TIME, THE SMELL, THE LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL, I GUESS, ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED, BUT LOW PAYING WAGES.
SO WE ALREADY HAVE AN IMPLICIT OF THIS IN THIS AREA.
UM, I DO THINK IT WOULD RE REDUCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT I PERSONALLY HAVE IN MY NEIGHBORS PERSONALLY HAVE.
UM, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I GUESS I, I, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL TO ADD TO ANY OF MY OTHER NEIGHBORS THAT DIDN'T GET ALL THE FEELING OF CONCERN THAT WE DO FEEL IN THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M JUST INCREDIBLY PROUD OF MY NEIGHBORS FOR, UH, COMING TOGETHER AND REALLY FIGHTING FOR, FOR WHAT WE WANT.
AND, UM, AND HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF CONDITIONAL USES ON THIS PROPERTY, BUT RESTAURANTS IS OUR NUMBER ONE CONCERN.
AND I THINK IF YOU PERSONALLY LOOK AT THIS, LIKE MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE, HAVE MENTIONED AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR YOURSELF.
UH, MANY OF THESE OTHER CONDITIONAL USE, I THINK WE'D BE ABLE TO WITH, AND WE WOULD UNDERSTAND, BUT RESTAURANTS, ESPECIALLY A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT THAT IS LIKELY TO BE OPEN UNTIL EARLY HOURS IN THE MORNING.
UM, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT, THAT I THINK WILL, I THINK IT WILL REDUCE ALL OF OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION AND THE
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TIME TO SEE AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL DO.OH, UM, SHIRLEY MASTERSON THAN MEGAN EARHART THAN MAGGIE LONG GOWER THAN HAYES'S RODRIGUEZ SHIRLEY MASTERSON, THEN I THINK, WELL, I THINK, AND SURELY MASTERSON THERE.
OR IS THIS MEGAN? THIS IS, THIS IS SHIRLEY.
SURELY YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I JUST WANT TO ADD, UH, AGAIN, TO HAVE FABRY OUR, OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD STANDING UP TO THIS RESTAURANT THAT THEY WANT TO PUT THEIR A GUESS.
WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEIR PLACE IN SOUTH PARK MEADOWS WITH THE REST OF THE BUSINESSES.
I LIVE IN THE FIRST HOUSE ACROSS THE RETENTION POND, AND I THINK I WOULD PROBABLY GET PROBABLY THE WORST OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OPEN AREA BETWEEN HERE AND THERE.
AND I LIVE AT NINE TWO ZERO ONE VISION CIRCLE, THE FIRST HOUSE AS YOU COME AROUND THE CORNER, UH, I OPPOSE THE RESTAURANT AND I'M CONCERNED AS ALL OUR NEIGHBORS ARE.
UH, MEGAN EARHART THEN MAGGIE LONG GOWER, THEN HAYES'S RODRIGUEZ.
AND MEGAN, ARE YOU THERE? HI, THIS IS MEGAN.
UM, SO MY NAME IS MEGAN OR HEART.
UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY MY VERY FIRST ZONING OR COMMISSION OR REALLY ANY TYPE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT MEETING.
SO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR US OUT ON THIS.
I THINK A LOT OF MINE FELLOW NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN BRINGING UP A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE, BUT I DO WANT TO BRING UP A FEW SPECIFIC THINGS.
UM, ONE THIS BEING MY VERY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO BE PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.
AND AS SUSAN POINTED OUT IN 2007, WE DID BRING THIS UP BEFORE AND WE WOULDN'T REALLY WANT TO GO BACK ON, EXCUSE ME, WE WOULDN'T WANT TO GO BACK ON THE DECISIONS THAT WE MADE THERE.
UM, THE NEXT THING THAT I WANT TO BRING UP IS THE APPLICANT BROUGHT UP THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF RESTAURANTS AROUND, BUT SUSAN DID RIGHTLY BRING UP THAT THERE ARE NONE THAT WOULD BE CLOSER THAN THIS RESTAURANT TO US.
AND FINALLY, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FRIED CHICKEN.
WE HAVE 20 FRIED CHICKEN RESTAURANTS IN A HALF, A SQUARE MILE RADIUS OF US.
SO WE DON'T SEE, EXCUSE ME, SORRY.
UM, SO
UM, SO WE DON'T THINK THAT THIS ADDS SUBSTANTIALLY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND AS SO MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE RIGHTFULLY POINTED OUT, WE DO THINK THAT IT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR, UM, QUALITY OF LIFE.
AND AS THE APPLICANT ALSO BROUGHT UP, THERE ARE RESTAURANTS NEARBY THAT HAVE SIMILAR SITES AND SOUNDS, BUT AS MY PHONE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT UP, WE HEAR THOSE ALREADY.
AND SO A RESTAURANT EVEN CLOSER, WE IMAGINE IT WOULD BE ONLY WORSE.
SO I STRONGLY OPPOSE THE REMOVAL OF THE RESTAURANT RESTRICTION.
UM, AND THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU THEN MO MAGGIE LONG HOUR AND THEN HAZES RODRIGUEZ, MCGEE.
OH, THANK YOU FOR HEARING US OUT.
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LONG HOUR AND I ALSO LIVE ON FEIGIN CIRCLE.UM, AS MY NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN SAYING WITH ALL THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE REZONING FOR RESTAURANT USES, UM, I WOULD JUST HAVE TO SAY, I AGREE WITH MY NEIGHBORS AND I'M JUST HERE TO OPPOSE, UM, THEY USED TO HAVE RESTAURANTS AND THE ZONING, SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING US OUT.
AND THEN OUR LAST SPEAKER SIGNED UP IS HAYES'S RODRIGUEZ.
ARE YOU HERE? AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
HELLO? IS THIS RODRIGUEZ? HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES.
I ALSO LIVE HERE ON, UM, BIKING CIRCLE AND, UM, I AM NOT AS CLOSE AS OTHER OF MY NEIGHBORS TO THIS, UM, TO THIS, UH, PLAN THAT IS GOING ON.
UM, I WANT TO BRING OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, VOICE POLLUTION THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT MY JUST E UH, NEIGHBORS RIGHT BEHIND THE RESTAURANT, BUT MORE OR LESS DOWN, DOWN THE LINE, UM, AND BASIS LIGHTING THAT THESE RESTAURANTS DO BRING, UM, AND, UH, TOGETHER WITH A GARBAGE AND, YOU KNOW, TRASH BREAD.
UH, WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL BACKUP BACKYARDS HERE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR KIDS SEE LIGHT BUGS AT NIGHT, YOU KNOW, THOSE WILL GO AWAY EVENTUALLY.
THIS WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR, UH, UH, POINTS WHY WE DECIDED TO BUY, UH, OUR HOUSE, YOU KNOW, UM, IT WAS THE BACKYARD THAT WE HAVE NOW, LIKE, YES, THEY'RE COOKING FUMES, UH, ALSO GOING TO BRING HEALTH PROBLEMS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, THE DOS ODORS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SMELL IT CHICK FILET, THAT'S A CROSS SLAUGHTER.
SO I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW STRONG HE SMELLS.
AREN'T GOING TO BE FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM, UH, ACROSS OUR BACKYARD.
NOW MY, UM, MY MAIN THING HERE, UM, I WANT TO MAKE EVERYBODY THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AS CLOSE AS SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE TO THIS, THIS PLAN.
BUT MY QUESTION IS TO ALL, TO ALL, ALL OF US, INCLUDING, UH, THE COMMISSION, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT OPEN, YOU KNOW, WHO ARE PART OF THIS PROPOSAL, I WANT TO ASK EVERYBODY ELSE, HOW WILL YOU FEEL AS THIS WAS BUILT BEHIND YOUR BACKYARD? HOW WILL YOU, HOW WILL YOU, UM, FEEL F YOU KNOW, THIS WAS YOU AND IN THEIR SHOES.
AND THIS IS WHY I GOT INTO THIS CALL BECAUSE I WANT, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MY NEIGHBORS.
I'M HERE TO SUPPORT MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M HERE TO ASK YOU THE QUESTION, UH, HOW WILL YOU LIKE IT TO HAVE THIS RESTAURANT BEHIND YOUR HOUSE NOW? AND I BELIEVE THEIR SEVERITY OF WHAT THEY GOT INTO THIS CALL, BUT IF WE GOT ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY IN OUR ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD, I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL SUPPORT US WITH HIS DEFICIENT, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, NOT CHANGE THIS ON FOR THIS.
AND I'M SORRY, GETTING A, CAN YOU JUST PICK IT UP? SO, OKAY.
THAT IS OUR LAST SPEAKER, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE BACKGROUND NOISE HERE AND A VERY SMALL HOUSE.
AND SO, UM, NOW THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE, I BELIEVE IT'S THREE MINUTES TO RESPOND.
SO NICOLE, ARE YOU THERE? KAREN NICKEL? I AM AT CAL MEET AGAIN.
UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A BELIEF OR MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME TRACT OF LAND THAT WAS ADDRESSED IN 2007, IF NOT THE SAME TRACT OF LAND SINCE THAT TIME, THE TRACT HAS BEEN SUBDIVIDED.
AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRACK THAT IS NOT IN FACT, IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE RESIDENTS AT PARK RIDGE, THIS, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT PLANNED FOR THE TRACK THAT IS ADJACENT TO PARK RIDGE, BUT IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S A RETAIL DEVELOPMENT THAT A SITE PLAN WAS RECENTLY DONE FOR.
WE ARE 240 FEET AWAY FROM PARK RIDGE.
AND IN FACT, ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, UM, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS POINTED OUT THAT WE WOULD
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BE CLOSER THAN ANY OTHER RESTAURANT IN THE VICINITY.THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF WE WERE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE TRACK THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN 2007 TODAY, THERE ARE TWO OR THREE, I'M LOOKING AT A MAP RESTAURANTS THAT ARE LESS THAN 110 FEET FROM PARK RIDGE.
WHEREAS OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY WOULD BE 240.
AND I JUST WANT THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT IN THE ENTIRE RECORD THAT WE FOUND OF THE DEAL THAT BETTY BAKER NEGOTIATED OR OVERSAW, THERE WAS NOT ONE REFERENCE TO PLANNING PRINCIPLES THAT WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED THE PROHIBITION OF RESTAURANT USE ON THIS SITE.
AND IN FACT, THIS IS THE ONLY SITE THAT WE FOUND ANYWHERE IN THE VICINITY WHERE A RESTAURANT USE WOULD BE PROHIBITED.
SO WE ASK THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT TRACT TO CONSIDER THAT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE DISTANCE BETWEEN PARK RIDGE.
WE ARE NOT ASKING TO PUT THIS RESTAURANT USE IN THE BACKYARDS OF THE FOLKS WHO FOUGHT HARD TO PUT THAT RESTRICTION IN PLACE.
AND THEN ALSO CONSIDER, I THINK THAT IN YOUR BACKUP IS THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING TO AMEND, WHICH ABSOLUTELY ADDRESSES ITEMS LIKE LIGHTING, WHICH CAN NOT BE MORE THAN 20 FEET IN HEIGHT, LIKE PLACEMENT OF DUMPSTERS AWAY FROM RESIDENCES AWAY FROM PROPERTY LINES, WHICH SPEAK TO HOURS FOR DELIVERY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO THIS SITE IS SO HEAVILY RESTRICTED THAT THE, THE CONCERN, EVERY CONCERN THAT WE'VE HEARD WILL BE ADDRESSED.
AND I THINK ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT.
WELL, WE DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH IT.
WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF IT.
SO WE WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO, UM, REALLY LOOK AT THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES AND LOOK AT WHETHER THERE THERE'S A PLANNING REASON WHY A RESTAURANT IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THIS SITE.
UM, AND, AND AGAIN, JUST REALLY LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT THE SITE THAT ABUTTED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, WHEN EVERYONE LOOKED AT THIS IN 2007, AND I'M HERE STILL REMAINING ON THE LINE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MOTION BY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EVANS? HEY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND UNANIMOUS.
AND NOW, UM, FIRST QUESTION'S MOTIONS, WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT TO SAY.
UM, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE, UH, BECAUSE WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY AT THIS POINT, BOUGHT IT, KNOWING THAT THERE WAS A RESTRICTION ON THE, IN RESTAURANTS AT THE SAME TIME.
THIS IS NOT THE TRACK THAT THEY DO.
THE RESIDENT THAT'S BACK 40 FEET.
AND I THINK SEVERAL SPEAKERS TALK ABOUT HOW THIS SITS ABOVE THEIR PROPERTY.
IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T TAKE BELOW THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, AND EVERYTHING HERE GRINDED DOWN TO HIGH 35.
UM, I THINK THERE IS SOME MISCOMMUNICATION AMONG SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY DONATING AND HOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE.
BUT SAME TIME THERE IS A RESTRICTION.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE I'VE HAD ON, ON THIS ONE.
UM, I TEND TO AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT THE, THERE ARE SETBACKS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT ARE STILL GOING TO BE IN EFFECT.
THE LIGHTING IS STILL GOING TO MAKE THE CALL.
THE REGULATIONS ARE STILL GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE, WOULD AFFECT A RESTAURANT, NO MATTER WHAT GETS BUILT THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DUMPSTERS AND I HAVE LIGHTING.
THEY'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
AND THAT'S WHY THE DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT WITH THE HAPPIEST, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CERTAINTY.
NADIA, UH, RAMIREZ, I MEAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SAYING IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A NEW SENSE, RIGHT? THE SMELLS AND THE SIGHTS AND ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD BE A NUISANCE.
BUT WHAT I'M REALLY STRUGGLING WITH IS THAT THEY HAVE A, WENDY'S NOT 250 FEET AWAY FROM THEIR HOUSES TODAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WITHIN EXISTING USES, IT'S ON A MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADWAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT COLON ROAD AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND SAFETY.
AND IT SOUNDS LIKE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HAS SIGNED OFF.
UM, I'M JUST REALLY STRUGGLING WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, IN PLANNING WE THINK ABOUT PUTTING, LIKE, WITH LIKE, AND THERE'S AS SHE MET, I MEAN, ONE OF THE SPEAKERS SAID THERE'S 20 CHICKEN RESTAURANTS IN THE VICINITY.
MAYBE PEOPLE LIKE TO EAT AT CHICKEN RESTAURANTS, AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WHAT PEOPLE LIKE
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TO EAT.AND WE HAVE TO JUST LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE RESTRICTED COVENANT PART BECAUSE THERE THAT'S A PRETTY, YOU KNOW, THAT RUNS WITH THE LAND OVER TIME.
AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO REMOVE THOSE, UM, THOSE PARTS OF THOSE DOCUMENT, ANYTHING FROM THOSE DOCUMENTS.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID GO THROUGH A SUBSTANTIAL PROCESS AND, UH, WHAT IS IT? WE'RE LIKE 13 YEARS LATER LOOKING AT IT AGAIN.
SO I'M, THAT'S, I'M ALSO FEELING, UH, A CHALLENGED COMMISSIONER KING AND THEN COMMISSIONER BRAY.
AND I SHARE MANY OF THE SAME COMMENTS.
I'VE JUST HEARD FROM THE TWO PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS ON THIS CASE, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS, THIS REMINDS ME THAT THIS AREA IS LOCATED IN A, UH, A TOWN CENTER.
I BELIEVE IT'S THE SOUTH PARK, UH, TOWN CENTER, UH, SOUTH PARK MEADOWS TOWN CENTER.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A PLAN, A SMALLER AREA PLAN FOR THIS AREA YET, OR FOR ANY OF OUR OTHER TOWN CENTERS, AS FAR AS I KNOW, OR EVEN OUR REGIONAL CENTERS.
SO I THINK THIS, THAT WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ARE SYMPTOMS OF THE LACK OF SMALL AREA PLANNING AND EVERY ZONING CASE THAT COMES THROUGH FROM THIS AREA BECOMES A ONE OFF BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THEM TO RELY ON EXCEPT A HIGH LEVEL STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT SHOULD BE IN A TOWN CENTER GENERALLY.
AND SO, AND IN THIS CASE, THEN THE FOLKS WHO BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE THE RESIDENTS, THEY DEPENDENT ON THIS RESTRICTION IN, IN, IN, IN PURCHASING THEIR PROPERTY.
AND NOW IT'S SORT OF LIKE THE RUG IS BEING JERKED OUT FROM UNDER THEM.
AND THERE'S NO PLAN THAT JUSTIFIES THIS.
THERE'S NO PLANNING PROCESS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH TO JUSTIFY THIS CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THEM.
SO I, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND THIS IS ONLY CASE WOULD BECOME A PRECEDENT FOR THE NEXT ZONING CASE ADJACENT TO THIS OR NEARBY, OH, YOU GOT THIS, THEY GOT THEIR ZONING APPROVED.
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE OURS? SO I JUST, I, I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH PROVING THESE ONE OBS OWNING CASES SIMPLY BECAUSE WE, WE DON'T HAVE A SMALL AREA PLANNING PROCESS AND THERE'S NO COMMITMENT APPARENTLY FROM THE CITY TO DO THAT.
SO I'M, I'M STRUGGLING TO SUPPORT THIS, THIS REQUEST, EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SITE NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED AND I, THAT WE NEED A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT FOODS AND PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE CHOICES AND OPTIONS, AND WE CAN DISCRIMINATE.
WE SHOULDN'T, I BELIEVE IN ALL OF THAT.
SO I'M STRUGGLING TO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRAY, AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, UM, I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR STEPH, UM, IS THERE A GENERAL GUIDELINE FOR HOW FAR RESTAURANTS SHOULD BE FROM RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES? I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND, LIKE, IS THAT 200 FEET, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A NORMAL AMOUNT OR IS THAT THAT'S THE NORMALLY BIGGER, MORE THAN WE WOULD NORMALLY DO? HELLO? THIS IS WENDY ROSE.
UH, WE DO HAVE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS, BUT, BUT NOT BETWEEN RESTAURANTS AND SINGLE FAMILY, OTHER, OTHER THAN WHAT WOULD BE APPLIED BY COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BRAY? UH, YEAH, AND I MEAN, IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE THAT HAS ANY OTHER, UM, INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
WELL, WHAT IS THE, IS THERE, IS THERE A STANDARD DISTANCE OR I GUESS THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS.
QUESTION WAS JUST, IT HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE JUST WITH LIGHTING AND VEGETATION AND THAT KIND OF STUFF, WENDY.
AND, AND THERE ARE, I MEAN, THERE ARE PROVISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE AND THE 2007 ORDINANCE THAT ACTUALLY GO, GO BEYOND COMPATIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE 50 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER THAT'S ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE.
OF COURSE, THIS, THIS ZONING AREA ORIGINALLY COMPRISED ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF ACRES.
THAT'S ON THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE ORIGINAL ZONING AREA.
SO SOME OF THESE, UM, YES, THERE ARE COMPATIBILITY STANDARDS THAT DO APPLY HERE, BUT THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE IN THE ORDINANCE AND, AND THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, I THINK ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
FIRST OF ALL, A LATER WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT USING THIS DEVICE, BUT I PUT TOGETHER MY APPLICATION PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
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SHARE IT HERE.WELL, THAT'S ALL THAT COULD ANYHOW, LET ME, OH, ALL IT SHOWED WAS, UM, I'VE STRUGGLED WITH, I GUESS I'VE, I, YOU CAN'T SEE THIS, BUT I PUT TOGETHER A MAP OF THE WHOLE AREA.
AND I ALSO ASKED WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, UH, IN THAT TWILIGHT ZONE OF 240 FEET BETWEEN THIS PROPERTY, WHICH HAS BEEN CARVED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL PROPERTY, WHICH WAS SUBJECT TO THE 2007 RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
AND ALL OF IT WAS, I'M NOT SAYING THIS WASN'T, BUT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, MY FIRST INSTINCT, CAUSE I'M GOING TO TALK FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW FIRST.
AND WE, YOU GET TO THE LEGAL, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT.
AND MY COLLEAGUES HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, BUT I'M NOT A LAWYER.
I LOOK TO THE HEAVILY VEGETATED AREA BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE HOMES.
UH, AND I WAS DELIGHTED TO SAY THAT THE CEO DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND NOT ONLY REQUIRED A 40 FOOT BUFFER, IT HAS TO RETAIN NATURAL.
IN OTHER WORDS, THOSE TREES CANNOT BE LEVEL.
YOU CAN HOLD A BUMPER, A PARKING LOT.
WHICH I THINK IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT.
THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO KNOW WAS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON THAT 240 ACRES, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO TONIGHT, IT AFFECTS MATT.
AND I DID HAVE THE APPLICANTS SEND ME A COPY OF THE ENDED OF SITE PLAN, WHICH STAFF CAN TELL ME IF THIS IS WRONG, LET'S SAY IT HAS BEEN APPROVED, WHICH SHOWS A W I W I REALLY WISH MAYBE LATER WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS FROM THE PAST.
I DON'T THINK, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE RED DOT CAN ANYBODY, MAYBE YOU CAN, UH, THERE'S A RED SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT SITE THERE.
THAT IS THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE, UH, ADJACENT TOOL.
THE OTHER PART I LOOKED AT WAS ACCESS.
CAUSE WE ALL LOOK AT THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THIS BEING SO CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION, I FOUND OUT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DENIED ACCESS TO SLAUGHTER AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL THAT STRESS OFF OF THEM, UH, THAT WILL NOT IMPEDE THE TRAFFIC AS FAR AS THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS.
UH, I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN ANY STANDARDS LIKE DAYCARE AND SCHOOLS ON DISTANCE AND CHURCHES AND ALL THAT.
I WILL SAY THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY GOT THE BIGGEST PROLIFERATION OF FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS I'VE EVER SEEN AN AUSTIN AROUND HERE.
IT'S NOT ONLY THE WENDY'S ACROSS THE STREET, BUT AT THE TIME AT ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT WITH A THOUSAND FEET, UH, ACTUALLY RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS CHICK FILET, OF COURSE, THIS WILL SOLVE THE NEVER OWN SUNDAY ISSUE.
UH, BUT THAT'S STILL NOT, UH, A REASON TO CREDIT, UH, NOT TRYING TO BE FACETIOUS.
UH, I'M HAVING, I'M HAVING SOME KIND OF POINT OF VIEW, UH, HAVING TROUBLE DENYING THIS.
HOWEVER, LIKE MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, I ALSO HAVE A TROUBLE, HAVE TROUBLE AND IGNORING THE RULE OF LAW AND RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WAS IMPOSED ON IT.
WHETHER I THINK THAT THAT WAS A VALID RETAINING PERTAINING TO THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS ANOTHER ISSUE.
I'M NOT SURE A LOT OF THE NEIGHBORS ACTUALLY REALIZE THAT, UH, I THEN LISTENING TO THEM AND I LISTENED VERY CAREFULLY.
I THINK A LOT OF THEM FEEL SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT IN THEIR BACK DOOR AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
I MEAN, THERE'S 243 PROPERLY, 40 FOOT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE REMAINING TREES THAT ARE THERE NOW, WHICH ARE THE LIGHT BULB PEOPLE HAVE.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE REQUEST.
I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FACT OF THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, JUST LIKE A COMMISSIONERS, UH, SMITH NEVER BOUGHT A HILL.
THANK YOU ALL SPEAK UP BECAUSE WE DO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, THERE WAS A INFAMOUS, UH, FOREVER, UH, DRIVE THROUGH WITH A SQUAWK BOX.
I MEAN, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN THERE, UM, IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER SINCE BEFORE I'VE BEEN HERE AND IT HAS CAUSED PROBLEMS AND THE APPLICANT, DO YOU KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH THIS, BUT THEN I DIDN'T SEE THE PROLIFERATION OF THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS TOO, BUT I DO COME BACK TO THE, THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T NEGOTIATE A FEW YEARS AGO ON THIS.
AND ALSO I KNOW THAT IT, THAT DRIVE THROUGHS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S NOT JUST PROXIMITY.
IT'S, I MEAN, IT'S MORE THAN PROXIMITY.
IT'S UNFORTUNATELY TOPOGRAPHY AND WHICH WAY THE WIND BLOWS.
AND I EVEN TOLD MICAH KING ABOUT ANOTHER RESTAURANT WHERE
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PEOPLE CROSS THE STREET BECAUSE THE FOOD JUST WILL SMELL SO BAD.UM, AND SO LIVING, HAVING LIVED WITH THOSE ISSUES, I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND I ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD, AND I HAD ASKED THE APPLICANT, CAUSE I HADN'T READ IT AT FIRST THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A DRIVE THROUGH.
CAUSE I THINK A REGULAR RESTAURANT IS A LOT, IS A LOT LESS INTRUSIVE THAN A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, ESPECIALLY CAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN ACCIDENTS ON LAMAR WITH THIS ONE RESTAURANT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LINED UP AND ESPECIALLY DURING COVID WHERE THERE HAS BEEN 20 CARS WHERE THERE'S ONLY PLACES FOR LIKE EIGHT CARS TO LINE UP.
AND I DO, I DO THINK, WELL, THE NEIGHBORS WERE REALLY GOOD TO DONATE SOMETHING WITH BETTY BAKER TAKING THE LEAD.
SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS A DENYING THIS HMM.
UM, MOST OF Y'ALL IN REGARDS TO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT.
AND AGAIN, THE APPLICANT OR WHOEVER BUYS THAT PROPERTY, THEY KNOW WHAT'S TIED TO THAT PROPERTY AND IT'S YEAH.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, REALLY MMM.
MOSTLY LOOKED AT AND I'M NOT JUST OVERLOOKED AND DISMISSED, BUT I THINK IN MERITS CONSIDERATION, STRONG CONSIDERATION.
AND DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO, UH, DID SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION OR MMM.
AND COMMISSIONER KING, SO TO GET THE BALL ROLLING HERE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE REQUEST, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, I STRUGGLE WITH THIS.
I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DENY AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP THIS LOCATION.
I AGREE WITH OTHER SPEAKERS, OTHER COMMISSIONERS DENIED SAYING THAT THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THAT THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS SITE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE DEVELOPED AND, AND WILL BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO PICK ON CHICKEN RESTAURANTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, I LIKE CHICKEN, YOU KNOW, SO YOU KNOW, IT PERSONALLY, BUT, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, MY MAIN CONCERN IS WITH THE, UH, CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT THEY, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD RELIED ON AND ALSO THE LACK OF ANY PLANNING SPECIFIC TO THIS AREA.
AND, AND AGAIN, I THINK THAT IF WE DID HAVE A PLANNING PROCESS THAT, THAT THAT'S WHERE CHANGE COULD BE DISCUSSED AND NEIGHBORS COULD TALK ABOUT Y'ALL THIS SIDE.
IT'S TIME FOR SOMETHING ELSE TO GO THERE.
AND YES, WE WOULD SUPPORT THAT.
AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH, YOU CAN DO THOSE KIND OF PROS AND CONS AND NEGOTIATIONS DURING A, UH, A SMALL AREA PLANNING PROCESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN THIS AREA.
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET THE RESOURCES TO START THE PLANNING PROCESS.
CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD HELP ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE ISSUES AND THEY WOULDN'T EVER COME TO OUR COMMISSION.
THEY COULD BE WORKED OUT IN THE PLANNING PROCESS.
SO ANYWAY, I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DENY IT, THIS, THIS, UM, UM, THIS REQUEST BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THE NEIGHBORS ON THE, YOU KNOW, UH, HOLDING, UH, PRESERVING THE, THE CON THE CONDITIONAL LOADER.
IS THERE A SECOND TO DENY THE REQUEST? AH, NO SECOND AT ALL.
THE COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR.
UM, THE RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT'S THERE TODAY RUNS WITH THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY, EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY HAS SINCE BEEN SUBDIVIDED.
AND I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT, UH, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, UH, THAT APPLIES TO THIS THE WHOLE FIVE AND A HALF ACRES THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED IN 19 AND 2007, THAT IS NOT CHANGING.
THAT IS REMAINING AS IS THERE'S NO AMENDMENT IN PROCESS OR TERMINATION OF IT.
AND SO OUR VOTING TO, UM, REMOVE ITEMS FROM THAT RESTRICTIVE COVENANT IS LEGAL.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.
CAUSE FOR SOME REASON I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS, NO, THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS THE ZONING CASE.
IT'S JUST TO AMEND THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.
I SEE, I SEE TO REMOVE THE TWO USES SUCH THAT THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED RESTAURANT GENERAL AND RESTAURANT LIMITED, BUT THEY'RE RESTRICTED PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE CABINET THAT DEALS WITH DUMPSTERS
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AND LIGHTINGS.AND THAT'S ALL THAT IS REMAINING WILL REMAIN INTACT ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND I'M GLAD THAT POINT GOT CLARIFIED OR TALKING ABOUT REMOVING IS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.
WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT ON THE SITE.
AND, UH, I SHARE A LOT OF THE FEELINGS THAT THESE PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH SOMETHING.
THEY WENT THROUGH IT A LONG TIME AGO.
UH, GOT A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY PUT INTO PLACE, WHICH BASICALLY DID AWAY WITH ALMOST ANY USE THAT YOU COULD COME UP WITH IF YOU, IF YOU READ THROUGH THAT LIST.
AND I, I'M JUST, UH, I THINK YOU ALL KNOW PRETTY WELL, WHEREAS FAM ON COMMISSION ON THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY ASPECT, I THINK WE SHOULD DO ZONING AND APPLY THE ZONING, UH, AS IT STATES IN OUR CODE, WITHOUT TRYING TO SEE HOW MANY THINGS WE CAN CUT OUT.
I APPRECIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNKIN'S COMMENT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS IS A REASONABLE USE WITHIN THAT, THAT AREA.
AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS TRIED TO MAKE CLEAR TO US IS THAT THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT LOTS AND THIS LOT, OR THIS SITE IS 240 FEET, UH, PLUS, OR MINUS A LITTLE BIT, DEPENDING UPON HOW YOU, HOW YOU DRAW YOUR LINES.
BUT, UH, YOU'VE GOT RESTAURANTS, UH, CLOSER THAN THAT ACROSS SLAUGHTER AND WITHIN DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT OF THESE RESIDENCIES, THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO BUFFER THEM.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS, THIS BUMPER, UH, THE USE IS CERTAINLY COMPATIBLE WITHIN THE AREA.
THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN MAKE A STATEMENT THAT IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE AREA, UNLESS WE WANT TO GO THROUGH AND CLOSE ALL THE RESTAURANTS THAT ALREADY EXIST THERE.
SO, AND, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT THE TOPOGRAPHY ISSUE KIND OF, KIND OF GOT ME AS I READ WHAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US, UH, UH HUH.
BY THE HOMEOWNERS TO STATE THAT, THAT, UH, THIS SIDE IS ABOVE WHEN IT, WHEN IT, WHERE YOU'RE A DIFFERENCE, UH, THE ELEVATION OF THEIR SITE IS, OR THEIR HOMES IS IN A 300 OR 690 FOOT RANGE.
UH, THE SITE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STARTS AT MAYBE SIX 62 AND RUNS UP TO SIX 70 ON THE, THE WESTERN EDGE.
SO WE'VE GOT 20 FOOT OF, UH, BELOW THEIR PROPERTY.
SO IN NO WAY, WOULD THIS BE ADJACENT? ALL THIS SAYS, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF EMOTIONS BY COMMISSIONERS.
IF I CAN JUST REAL QUICKLY, I, THIS IS A, THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.
IF THIS WORD IS JUST FOR THEIR PROPERTY, I WOULD HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING.
BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE 240 FEET AWAY OR MUCH LOWER, AND YOU'RE SUCH A THING CALLED A WINTER ROSE, WHICH IS THE PREDOMINANT WIND PATTERN.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PREDOMINANT WIND PATTERN, AUSTIN IS NORTH SOUTH, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT BLOWING EAST TO WEST.
SO THE PREDOMINANT WIND IS WHAT'S OUT.
A WAVE DECIDES FARTHER AWAY FROM THE QUESTION OF THE RESIDENTS AND STAFF.
I THINK IT'S LOOKED AT THIS QUITE A BIT.
AND AT THIS POINT WHEN WAS KIND OF LINKED WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, A SUPPORT SECOND VOTE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER EVANS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH, THE FOREST STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND COMMISSIONER KING.
YOU KNOW, I, UH, AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY EMOTION, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO COMMOTION TO DENY IT.
CAUSE I THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO HAVE A RESTAURANT USED THERE.
UH, BUT I DO WANT TO, SOME POINTS WERE MADE ABOUT THE ELEVATION OF THIS SITE IS A BELOW THE ELEVATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TO MANY COUNCIL MEETINGS WHERE WE'VE TALKED AT WHERE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT SMELLS FROM RESTAURANTS AND THE SMELLS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE WIND.
AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT IN THE, THE, THE, THE, THE WIND PATTERN CHANGES IN THE SUMMERTIME IN, IN IT, IT'S NOT PREDOMINANTLY FROM THE EAST TO EAST OR WEST EAST.
I KNOW IT, THAT IS IT'S USUALLY FROM THE SOUTHEAST A LOT, OFTENTIMES FROM THE SOUTHEAST, DURING THE SUMMERTIME.
SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY THAT GENERALLY, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SMELLS COMING, AFFECTING THEM.
AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ELEVATION, THE FACT THAT IT'S 20, 30 BELOW, I DON'T THINK IS MATERIALLY GOING TO AFFECT THE SOUNDS AND THE SMELLS THAT MUCH, THEY'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THOSE SIGNS.
NEVERTHELESS, I STILL THINK THAT THIS LOCATION IS, IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR A RESTAURANT.
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UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT, THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS RELIED ON AND, AND, AND WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTIES AND, AND WE NEED A SMALLER, YOUR PLANNING PROCESS.AND THAT'S THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT ANYTHING.
UM, ANY OF THEM, OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, OR WE'LL JUST, WE CAN JUST BOTH COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER, EVAN DUNCAN, SORRY.
OH, KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE.
I DID NOTICE ON THAT SITE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IF THEY'RE, MOST OF THE VEGETATION IS NOT ON THE SITE, MOST OF IT IS ON THE BUDDING SITE.
HOWEVER, THERE IS A BIG, NICE TRAY RIGHT UP ON SLAUGHTER, AND THEN A SMALL CLUSTER IN THE BLACK, UH, BACK PART.
I I'M, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REQUIRE THIS, BUT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM TRY TO RETAIN WHAT'S THERE OF THE VEGETATION BECAUSE 80% OF LEFT SITE IS TOTALLY BARREN AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN IMPEDIMENT DEVELOP.
SO, UH, IF I COULD SHOW IT A BIG, COMFORTABLE ON THAT, UM, I WOULD NOT ABSTAIN.
COMMISSIONER EVANS, I WOULD THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES THAT THE FINAL SITE PLANNING PROCESS, IF THEY FIT WITHIN THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY, THAT YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT THEY'LL BE RETAINED.
YOU AGREE WITH THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH? YEAH.
DID I SEE ANY OTHER HANDS UP? SO, AND THEN, UH, IF THERE, UM, I WAS WONDERING, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT HOURS OF REGULATION? I KNOW SOMETIMES WE DON'T, WE TEND NOT TO DO THAT, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, YES, THIS IS WHEN HE ROSE AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY OUR LEGAL STAFF, NOT TO DO HOURS OF OPERATION IN A, UM, PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT ANYMORE.
THERE'S A COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO STAFF LEGAL STAFF, TO EXPLAIN THAT TO US AT SOME FUTURE DATE.
THE CLOSING, CAUSE I WAS NOT AWARE THAT WE COULD NO LONGER, UH, AT THE CLOSING TIMES, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW.
SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THAN THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER EVANS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SMITH TO, UM, FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS.
IT'S COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, COMMISSIONER BERRERA OR VICE-CHAIR BARRERA RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER, RAY COMMISSIONER BRAY, AND THEN ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
AND THAT'S COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER, GARY AND ME.
SO MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO, UH, NO SIX TO SIX TO THREE.
THANK YOU EVERYBODY FOR PARTICIPATING AND NEXT WEEK.
AND NEXT IS, UM, IS B SIX AND I FORGOT WHO EXACTLY IS THE STAFF PERSON FOR THAT.
AND THAT IS, OH, ANNE, THE SANCTUS SURE COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW RIVERA, LIKE A SIX MINUTE RECESS TO ALLOW COLORS TO UM, OH YES.
A THREE MINUTE RECESS, WHICH MEANS WE WILL GET BACK HERE AND I CAN'T SEE, I CANNOT SEE THE TIME.
SO WE'LL BE BACK AT SEVEN 12 SAYING, OKAY, WELCOME BACK.
AND VICE-CHAIR BERRERA RAMIREZ IS STILL OUT, BUT OH, I GUESS WE SHOULD.
WHY DON'T WE JUST, UM, WAIT ONE MORE MINUTE AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD WITH HEARING, UH, V6.
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OKAY.SO, UM, THE CASE MANAGER IS, AND THE SANCTUS, IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD
THIS IS AMBER SANCTUS GFC, L U R A.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A 25 YEAR DEVELOPMENT PHASE WITH TWO PHASES FOR A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, WHICH PROVIDES A SPECIAL PUBLIC BENEFIT PHASE ONE WITH CONSTRUCT A THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING ASSOCIATED PARKING FIRE ACCESS LANE BIOFILTRATION POND, STORM, WATER MANAGEMENT IMPROVEMENTS AND HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS.
PHASE TWO WOULD CONSTRUCT ANOTHER THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING AND ANOTHER ASSOCIATED DRIVEWAY AND PARKING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE 25 YEARS DEVELOPMENT PHASE PLAN.
BASED ON THE CASE EATING CRITERIA FROM 25 FIVE 21, THE APPLICANT APPLICANT HAS INCLUDED A JUSTIFICATION LETTER EXPLAINING DETAILS.
AND IN SUMMARY, UM, THERE ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES JOBS FOR THOSE, WITH PHYSICAL INTELLECTUAL HEARING AND VISION, VISION IMPAIRMENT, AND ALSO RECRUITS VETERANS WITH HIM WITH WITHOUT SERVICE RELATED DISABILITIES.
AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THIS EXTENDED BASE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO FUNDRAISE THE MONEY OVER THAT AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES.
AND SO, SO IS THAT, UM, JERRY GOLF, UH, BLUE CLARKE, I'M THE APPLICANT, UM, I'M THE DIRECTOR OF IP FOR PTSI OR PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT SERVICES, INC.
UM, UH, LIKE STEPH SAID, WE ARE A NONPROFIT, OUR MISSION IS TO EMPLOY PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
UM, WE DO THAT BOTH THROUGH DIRECT HIRE AS WELL AS, UM, PROVIDE OTHER KIND OF JOBS, SEEKING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE SHE SAID, OUR MISSION IS TO EMPLOY PEOPLE WITH ALL KINDS OF DISABILITIES.
WE, UM, PROVIDE, UH, GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU FIND IT MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND GOOD WORK.
UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HIRE WITH, UH, HIGH WAGES, GOOD BENEFITS.
AND, UM, THAT IS REALLY KIND OF PART OF OUR MISSION.
UM, WE MOVED INTO THE EXISTING PROPERTY, WHICH IS IN THE TWO MILE ETJ FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
UM, BACK IN 2008, UM, THE, UH, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CAMPUS OF OFFICE BUILDINGS AND WE REALLY KIND OF REALIZED THAT THE, UM, THAT WE HAVE OUTGROWN, I MEAN, FORTUNATELY WE'VE OUTGROWN THE EXISTING OFFICE BUILDINGS AND SO WE NEED TO BUILD ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE.
AND THEN WE ARE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL 25 YEARS, UH, FOR THE PHASE TWO WE'VE PLANNED FOR THE PHASE ONE TO KIND OF COVER OUR GROWTH PATTERN, UH, FOR THE NEXT, UH, HOPEFULLY TWO DECADES.
AND THEN, UM, WE'RE HOPING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR CONTINUED GROWTH AND SUCCESSFUL, I MEAN THAT WE NEED THIS ADDITIONAL PHASE TWO, UH, 25 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE BASIS OF WHY WE'VE ASKED FOR THE 25 YEARS PLUS FEMALE PART OF ORDER.
CAN YOU JUST, I HAD TROUBLE HEARING, YOU CAN REPEAT WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAYING FOR ABOUT THE LAST MINUTE OR SO, SORRY.
YEAH, I THINK COMMISSIONER BRAY AND YES, IF YOU COULD SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER INTO THE MICROPHONE, THANK YOU.
LET ME TRY TO GET TO TURN UP MY VOLUME.
UM, SO, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU DIDN'T CATCH, BUT WE ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE MOVED INTO THE EXISTING PROPERTY, WHICH IS IN THE TWO MILE ETJ BACK IN 2008.
UM, THE OFFICE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAD BUILT, UH, WE'VE OUTGROWN THEM.
SO OUR PHASE ONE DEVELOPMENT PLAN CALLS FOR BUILDING A THREE STORY, THREE STORY OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WHICH SHOULD LAST, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD HAVE OUR GROWTH IN IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING 20 YEARS, UM, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE AND THEN, UH, WE ANTICIPATE FURTHER GROWTH.
AND SO WE ASKED TO HAVE A, UH, PHASE TWO DEVELOPMENT FOR AN ADDITIONAL OFFICE BUILDING 25 YEARS FROM NOW, UM, DURING THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLANNING, UH, WE USE THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, EVEN 25 YEARS FROM NOW WITH THIS PHASE TWO THAT WE, UM, HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTED FOR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON THE STATIONS.
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TRYING TO DO OUR SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITH, UH, SOME FORESIGHT.AND SO, AND SO THAT WAS BLUE CLARK.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF IT FOR PCS.
THEN, UM, NEXT WILL BE, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE SIGNED UP IS JERRY GOUGH, YOUR PROJECT MANAGER, AND HE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
SO I AM REAL HERE, HERE FOR KIND OF SUPPORT SERVICES IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON I'M WITH SQUARE ONE CONSULTANTS, WE'RE PROJECT MANAGERS, AND I'M AN ENGINEER FOR SQUARE ONE, AND PTSI IS PROBABLY, UH, THE BEST CLIENT WE'VE HAD AS FAR AS ITS MISSION.
AND WE'VE HAD, WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH NONPROFITS, BUT I REALLY ADMIRE WHAT, UH, BLUE CLARK AND HIS PEOPLE DO AND THEIR HIRING.
AND, UH, THIS NEW BUILDING, UH, IS OUR NEW, IS OUR HEADQUARTERS HERE IN AUSTIN.
AND THEY'RE PLAYING TO GROW HERE IN AUSTIN.
THEY HAVE 1600 EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT TAKE CARE OF HOSPITALS AND GROUNDS AND, UH, HEALTHCARE, AND, UH, DO QUITE A JOB AND HIRE A LOT OF, UH, UH, DISABLED PEOPLE AND VETERANS.
AND SO, UH, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT THEM AND THEY'RE WONDERFUL PEOPLE TO WORK FOR.
AND THEY'RE, UH, WERE DESIGNING THIS BUILDING, UH, ACTUALLY WITH ACCESSIBILITY THAT EXCEEDS ADA STANDARDS AND, UH, BLUE CARTS ARE, OUR BOSS HAS GOT US SOON, A LOT OF, UH, THINGS, THIS BUILDING THAT'S ARE, UH, WORTHWHILE AND GOOD FOR ACCESSIBILITY AND GREEN BUILDING.
AND THAT THAT'S REALLY ALL I'VE GOT, UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
AND THEN THERE'S PETER DIGIORNO, OR I'M SORRY, DWAYNE, UH, UM, SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR.
HE'S YOUR ENGINEER AND HE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS PETER
UH, FOR THIS SITE AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ONGOING, UM, AS MENTIONED BY ADAM BLUE AND, AND JERRY, UH, PTSI IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WHOSE MISSION IS TO ENHANCE THE LIVES OF, OF PEOPLE WITH, WITH EVERY TYPE OF DISABILITY, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, UH, VETERANS AND FAMILY, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE JUST TO ASK THAT THE CITY PARTNER WITH PTSI AND THEIR MISSION BY EXTENDING THE PHASE, UH, THIS, THIS PHASE REQUEST, UH, FOR THE SITE PLAN.
UM, ALSO AS PTSI CIVIL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.
I CAN'T REALLY HEAR, I'M SORRY.
I CAN'T REALLY HEAR PRETTY GOOD.
UH, I WAS JUST STATING THAT I'M ALSO, UM, SINCE I'M A PTSI CIVIL ENGINEERING CONSULTANT, I'M HERE TODAY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE.
AND THEN KEVIN CLOUD IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK IN FAVOR AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, UH, IN CLOUD.
ARE YOU THERE? KEVIN CLOUD? HELLO.
WELL, YOU WERE THE LAST WEEK OR SIGNED UP IN FAVOR.
AND THEN AS THE NOVIA, JOSEPH IS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AGAINST, AND ZENOBIA, YOU WOULD HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS ON ZENOBIA JOSEPH.
MY COMMENTS ARE SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE SPECIAL PUBLIC BENEFIT.
I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE NONPROFIT ACTUALLY HIRES DISABLED INDIVIDUALS, BUT AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WILL
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BE BUILT OVER A 25 YEAR PERIOD, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS.IF IN FACT IT IS TO TRAIN INDIVIDUALS AT THAT SITE.
I DID WANT TO CALL TO THEIR ATTENTION THAT AFRICAN AMERICANS WHO LIVE IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN ON THE 60 MINUTE BUS ROUTE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THEIR SITE.
I DID WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL TO THE LANGUAGE THAT'S AT THE BACK OF THE JUSTIFICATION LETTER.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PHASE SITE PLAN REQUEST IS TO PROVIDE CERTAINTY THAT THIS PROJECT WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO UNDERGO DESIGN MODIFICATIONS AS A RESULT OF CHANGES TO CITY REGULATIONS OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THE AMOUNT OF TIME IS REQUESTED BECAUSE FUNDRAISING IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE MULTI PHASES OF THE PROJECT.
AND SO IT ALMOST SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ANY TYPE OF FUNDRAISING PLAN TO SHOW WHY THIS IS A DEMONSTRATED REASONABLE NEED FOR 25 YEARS TO BUILD TWO, THREE STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE OFFICE SPACES.
SO IF THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN THAT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, IT DOES SPECIFY IN THE LETTER.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROJECT IS NOT WITHIN THE ZONING JURISDICTION.
HOWEVER, IT IS A LONGTERM PROJECT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PART, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S GREATER THAN 10 ACRES, BUT I DID EXTENSIVELY LOOK AT THE, THE WEBSITE AS IT RELATES TO WHO GETS HIRED.
AND I DID HAVE SOME ISSUE WITH THE FACT THAT THE IMAGES SHOWED THAT THE PREDOMINANTLY OFFICE JOBS WERE WHITE PEOPLE THAT WERE PICTURED AND THE PEOPLE WHO WERE OUTSIDE AND DOING THE MANUAL LABOR WERE AFRICAN AMERICANS AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.
AND SO THAT IS WHY I FRAMED MY COMMENTS AS IT RELATED TO DISPARATE IMPACTS UNDER TITLE SIX OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964.
I'M SURE IT'S AN UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE, BUT CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THEIR WEBSITE AND THE VIDEOS AS WELL, ILLUSTRATE THAT THAT IS WHO GETS THE INSIDE JOBS AND WHO'S OUTSIDE.
I ALSO SEE THAT 80% OF THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE SIGNIFICANT DISABILITIES, BUT AGAIN, UM, THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND LASTLY, I WASN'T SURE WHY ALL SAINTS PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH APPEARED ON THE SECOND PAGE BECAUSE THERE'S NO REFERENCE TO THAT IN THE ACTUAL LETTER.
UH, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GLADLY ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.
AND NOW THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO REBUT.
UM, YEAH, I, I, I, I HEAR WHAT THE, UH, THE, THE PERSON AGAINST THE, THE MOTION HAS DESCRIBED.
UM, CCSI IS, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN WITH CCSI FOR 11 YEARS.
UM, IT'S, UH, ONE OF THE MOST DIVERSE WORKFORCES I'VE WORKED.
UM, WE HAVE, UM, AFRICAN AMERICAN WOMEN, TWO OF THEM ARE IN OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP.
UM, WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, HISPANICS IN OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP AND IT'S NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, BOAST ABOUT PER SE, BUT IT'S A VERY DIVERSE COMPANY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE, UH, I GUESS THE QUESTION AT HAND, THE, UH, PHASING PLAN, IT IS OFFICE BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE SUPPORT OUR MISSION.
I THINK ALL OF THE PCC CORPORATE, UM, STAFF IS REALLY TO KIND OF SUPPORT STAFF FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO, UM, AT OUR JOB SITES AND OUR MISSION.
UM, WE DON'T DO A LOT OF, UH, OUR MISSION WORK HERE IN AUSTIN.
UH, WE DO SOME, UH, WITH, UH, STATE USE PROGRAMS, UM, AND, UH, BUT MOST OF OUR WORK IS, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY KIND OF OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.
UH, HOWEVER WE DO, UH, SPEND A LOT OF RESOURCES ON SUPPORTING OTHER LOCAL NONPROFITS, UH, IN THE AUSTIN AND SAN ANTONIO AREAS.
AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE, UH, THE FACT THAT THE, THIS IS REALLY OFFICE BUILDINGS, UM, KIND OF BESIDE THE POINT, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS HOW WE SUPPORT OUR MISSION AND HOW WE SUPPORT, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE.
AND NOW, IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? UH, MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRAY IS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EVANS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
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UH, WELL, JUST GO AHEAD, WAVE YOUR HANDS.SINCE I DIDN'T SEE ANY OTHER HANDS, I THOUGHT I WOULD RAISE MINE.
I DON'T ALWAYS WANT TO GO FIRST.
BUT I, I DO THINK THAT, UH, MS. JOSEPH BROUGHT UP SOME IMPORTANT CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS HERE.
UH, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO, W I WONDER IF THE APPLICANT CAN GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHY IT'S GOING TO TAKE 25 YEARS TO RAISE THE FUNDS TO BUILD THESE THREE BUILDINGS.
AND THE OTHER QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO, FOR STAFF TO ANSWER IS, UM, IF WE GRANT THIS, THIS 25 YEAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT PHASE, WILL THE PROPERTY OWNER, COULD THEY TURN AROUND AND SELL THIS PROPERTY 10 YEARS FROM NOW, 15 YEARS FROM NOW WITH THESE GRANDFATHERED ENTITLEMENTS, COULD THEY SELL THEM? DOES ANYTHING PREVENT THEM FROM FLIPPING THIS PROPERTY LATER ON WITH THESE GRANDFATHERED ENTITLEMENTS, TO SOMEONE ELSE DOWN THE ROAD WHO COULD THEN UTILIZE THESE, ESSENTIALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS DOWN THE ROAD 25 YEARS, YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE MORE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO THIS AREA.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY DOING WITH THIS IS SAYING, WELL, NO, NO, WE'RE GOING TO LOCK YOU IN WITH THE REGULATIONS AS OF TODAY.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE OVER TIME OUR REGULATIONS GENERALLY IMPROVE.
THEY GET BETTER, THEY DO THINGS THAT ARE, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT FIT OUR COMMUNITY VALUES AS THEY CHANGE OVER TIME.
SO I WORRY ABOUT LOCKING, UH, THIS, THIS, THIS AREA INTO THESE REGULATIONS AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, UH, AND WONDER WHAT KIND OF GUARANTEE DO WE HAVE THAT THIS, THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE BUILT AND, AND UTILIZE FOR THIS NONPROFIT PURPOSE AND NOT FLIPPED LATER ON, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST SAY, WELL, WE DECIDED TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND TAKE THE PROFITS, AND THEN NOW WE'LL GO DO THE PROJECT WE DECIDED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO HERE.
CAN THE, CAN THE APPLICANT AND STAFF MAYBE ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS FIRST? I GUESS I WOULD GO WITH STAFF.
STAFF IS, AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE SANCTION.
SO, UM, THE SITE PLAN IS WHAT WOULD BE PHASED FOR 25 YEARS.
SO ONLY WHAT IS A PERMANENT WITH THIS SIPHON WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE BUILT ON THIS SITE IN THE FUTURE.
UM, SO IF THEY SOLD THE PROPERTY, YES, THAT SITE PLAN WOULD STILL BE VALID, BUT IF THEY TRIED TO CHANGE ANYTHING, THEY WOULD HAVE, IF THEY ARE ADDING ANY BUILDING, OR IF THEY'RE ADDING ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SUBTRACTING SQUARE FOOTAGE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME IN FOR REVISION, WHICH WOULD THEN BRING THEM INTO WHATEVER CODES ARE IN PLACE AT THAT TIME.
SO SINCE THIS IS ETJ AND DOESN'T HAVE ZONING, IT IS NOT UNDER OUR CODE, BUT SAY IN 10 YEARS, IF THIS LAND WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY AND ZONING CAME ONTO IT AND THEY, UM, THEN TRIED TO DO A REVISION, THOSE NEW QUOTE CODES, UM, WOULD APPLY.
SO, UM, PTSI BEING A NONPROFIT.
WE ARE DIRECTED BY OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
UM, WE DID A PRETTY EXTENSIVE, UM, I GUESS, ANALYSIS OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE ON NOW, UM, EXISTING, YOU KNOW, OTHER EXISTING PROPERTIES.
WE JUST, WE, WE LOOKED AT WHETHER OR NOT IT MADE SENSE TO STAY WHERE WE'RE AT OR MOVE, AND, UH, REALLY EVERYTHING KIND OF POINTED TO THE BEST THING FOR PCS AND OUR MISSION IS THEY WHERE WE'RE AT AND FURTHER DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.
SO WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING THIS LOCATION LONG TERM.
UM, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LIVING SITUATION OF OUR EMPLOYEES, UM, THIS IS A VERY CENTRAL LOCATION.
AND SO IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, PIZZA HAS COMMITTED TO STAYING HERE THE TERM, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE, WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME.
WE'VE BEEN HERE, YOU KNOW, WORKING HERE SINCE 2008.
UM, WE HAD THE FORTUNE OF, UH, GROWING FASTER THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING PHASE ONE IS VERY EXPENSIVE AND VERY TIME CONSUMING.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN DOWN THE ROAD.
AND CHAIRMAN FOLLOW UP QUESTION, SIR.
AND IS THIS MR. CLARK? WAS THAT MR. CLARK? YES, SIR.
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APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERING MY QUESTION.AND COULD YOU CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THEN I UNDERSTAND NONPROFITS, MANY OF THEM THEY DO.
IT DOES TAKE TIME TO RAISE MONEY.
UH, BUT COULD YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT INTO WHY YOU EXPECT A 25 YEAR PERIOD FUNDRAISING? DOES FUNDRAISING GO ON THROUGHOUT THAT 25 YEAR PERIOD? UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT, WHY IT TAKES 25 YEARS? WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE 25 YEARS SO THAT THE 25 YEAR TIMEFRAME IS, IS WE LOOKED AT OUR GROWTH, UM, YOU KNOW, CHART KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE STARTED BACK IN, IN 2008, WHEN WE MOVED INTO THE PROPERTY, WE HAD BEEN, UH, LEASING SPACE OVER OFF OF MOPAC BEFORE THEN.
UM, AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'VE REALLY, YOU KNOW, OUR GROWTH HAS EXPLODED.
UM, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DID WE MOVE IN, IN 2008, BUT WE ALSO HAD TO, UM, REMODEL AND A WAREHOUSE TO ADD MORE OFFICE SPACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS THIS, THIS IS, UH, FORTUNATE FOR THE COMPANY GOOD FOR OUR MISSION.
UM, WE'RE PROVIDING WAY MORE JOBS TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.
AND SO THE, UH, REALLY THAT TIMELINE, WE REALLY CHARGED OUR GROWTH OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, THE LAST 12 YEARS AND, UH, KIND OF TOOK A FORWARD LOOK AND LOOKED AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE 25 YEAR TIMELINE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WELL, THEN I'LL STEP IN BECAUSE WHAT STRUCK ME WAS THE REQUEST FOR SUCH A LONG 25 YEARS FOR, UM, FOR ESSENTIALLY TWO BUILDINGS.
AND THEN ALSO IT IS PRETTY IT'S ADJACENT TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CHANGING ANNEXATION, HOW THAT'S GOING TO GO, BUT I JUST THOUGHT 25 YEARS, AND WE'VE SEEN SITE PLANS FROM CHURCHES AND THINGS BEFORE WHERE THEY'VE NEVER ASKED FOR 25 YEARS.
SO THAT JUST MADE ME A LITTLE CAUTIOUS.
SO I WAS HOPING THAT, OR I WAS THINKING THAT SOMETHING A LITTLE LIKE 10 YEARS WOULD SEEM TO BE MORE FAIR.
AND, UM, I'M LIKE YOU CAN, UM, CHEER KILL BOUNCE, UM, LOOKING AT THE PROXIMITY THAT THIS PROPERTY IS TO, I BELIEVE IT'S SLAUGHTER CREEK AND JUST SOUTH IS BEAR CREEK AND TONYA CREEK.
AND THAT'S ABOUT ONE DAY FOR THE NERVE.
AND JUST WONDERING, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF AUSTIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HAVING TO PAY ATTENTION TO ATLAS 14 AND DISTRICT TWO IS WAY DOWNSTREAM OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR ONION AND SLAUGHTER.
AND SO I JUST WONDERED IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVEN THE APPLICANT OR EVEN THE COUNTY, CAUSE IT'S PART OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE KENYA, NO, YOU CAN'T READ THEIR SCHOOLS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN THAT, HOW CAN, HOW CAN THEY ADAPT? AND THERE, IF IT'S 25 YEARS, THEY GET GRANDFATHERED AND THEY, DON'T WHAT THEY HAVE NOW IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
AND NOT JUST WORRY ABOUT THOSE LONGTERM IMPLICATIONS, LISTENER SMITH.
UM, THIS SIDE IS ACTUALLY THE, BETWEEN WHAT'S AS FAR AWAY FROM OUR SECOND GRANDFATHER, I FELT UNSAFE.
UM, AND SO I THINK ONE POINT CHANGES AND THE BLOOD REGULATIONS AND JUST EVERYTHING RELATED TO HEALTH AND SAFETY CHANGES.
IT APPLIES TO THE SIDE
I WANT THIS GRANDPA WILL BE ANNEXATION AND TURN MY PROFITS AND TAX CREDIT BY.
AND I CANNOT PROMISE I WILL BE VERY UNHAPPY.
WHAT MADNESS YOU HAVE TO STICK BUDDY PROVIDED SERVICES.
SMITH, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AND SPEAK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? EXCUSE ME.
IF FOR SOME REASON WE CAN'T HEAR IT, YOUR GUARD, YOUR, YOUR MESSAGES.
I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
UM, THIS SIDE IS, CAN YOU HEAR ME BETTER NOW? OKAY.
THIS SIDE IS ON A DIVIDE BETWEEN TWO BASINS AS FAR AWAY FROM CREEK, AS YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET, UM, YOU GET GRANDFATHER HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUE.
AND SO THAT THE FLOODPLAIN CHANGES THE BLOOD REGULATION CHANGES AND THE FIRE CODE CHANGES AND SEPARATELY RELATED SAFETY, IT WOULD APPLY TO THE SIDE NO MATTER WHERE YOU'RE AT
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SIMPLY CAN'T GRANDFATHER AROUND HEALTH AND SAFETY, THAT'S STATED IN THE BACKUP TABLE.WE'LL BACK THAT UP WITHOUT A LONG TIME.
UM, IN YEARS PROBABLY SHORT, UM, MAYBE SOMETHING ON A 20 YEARS WOULD BE BETTER, BUT WHAT ABOUT IS A LONG TIME NOW? 40 YEARS, A REALLY LONG TIME, 25 YEARS IS A LONG TIME AND SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT SHORTER, 40 YEARS, OR MAYBE MORE EASY TO DIGEST SOMETHING A LITTLE SHORTER THAN 25.
I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THIS CASE WITH A 20 YEAR TIME, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND IS THAT, THAT'S THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER EVANS MOTION BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EVANS TO, UH, GRANTED 20 YEAR EXTENSION, UH, COMMISSIONER BRAY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR WITH THE APPLICANT, IF THAT WOULD BE SO LIKE, NO, IT MAKES SURE THAT'S NOT LIKE ON THE CUSP OF, YOU KNOW, IS THAT FIVE YEARS, UH, INTERFERING WITH THEIR TIMELINE OR IS THAT A REASONABLE THING TO THEM?
UM, I THINK 20 YEARS IS REASONABLE.
YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T QUITE MATCH WITH OUR CALCULATIONS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S THE FUTURE.
SO, UM, 20 YEARS OF SUSCEPTIBLE TO US AND WE APPRECIATE COMMITTEE, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS, AND I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO, TO GO WITH THE 20 YEARS AND APPRECIATE MR. SMITH MAKING THAT, UH, THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I JUST, UH, AND I DON'T WANT TO COME OFF SOUNDING WRONG, BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR FAILURE TO APPLAUD THE EFFORTS OF A NONPROFIT, DOING HER DARNDEST TO TRY TO KEEP THEIR EXPENSES AT A MINIMUM CONSIDERING WHAT THE SOFT COST ARE FOR ENGINEERING, MR. SMITH, DIDN'T ADDRESS THAT VERY WELL FOR US.
I'M SURE, BUT THE EXPANSE THAT THEY'RE SAVING RIGHT NOW BY DOING THIS AT THIS TIME, GIVES THEM A HEADS UP ON GETTING THAT SECOND BUILDING IN PLACE SHOULD THEIR GROWTH ACHIEVE IT.
AND RATHER THAN LOOKING AT IT WITH SOME SUSPICION, WE SHOULD BE APPLAUDING SOMEBODY WHO'S WILLING TO THANK THIS BARN IN ADVANCE AND TALKING ABOUT THIS TIMEFRAME.
IT'S JUST, I WANT TO USE A WORD, BUT I WON'T.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, I MEAN, LOOK AT HOW OLD OUR SUBDIVISIONS ARE.
LOOK AT, LOOK AT SOME OF THE PUDS THAT WE HAVE AROUND HERE AND HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN IN PLACE.
AND THIS IS FOR FOLKS WHO ARE GOING TO MAKE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN THEY FINALLY DEVELOPED THIS LAND.
SO LET'S NOT PUNISH A NONPROFIT BY GETTING DOWN INTO THE WEEDS ON SOMEBODY WHO'S TRYING TO THINK AHEAD.
THANK YOU, KING
I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE.
I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT, THAT, UH, BUT MY, MY QUESTIONS WERE NOT TO BE CRITICAL OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHATSOEVER, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE NONPROFIT MODEL IS BECOMING A MORE PREVALENT MODEL THESE DAYS.
AND, AND SO NOW I, I DO THINK IT IS VALID TO SAY, WELL, WHAT IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT JUSTIFIES THIS? WHAT IS THE PUBLIC BENEFIT? AND I THINK, I THINK, UH, UM, MS. JOSEPH HAD A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT CONVINCED, YOU KNOW, I, I HEAR YOU, UH, ABOUT THE MR. EVANS ABOUT, UH, THIS NONPROFIT, TRYING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE IN ITS BEST INTEREST, AND I'M NOT OPPOSING THAT AT ALL WHATSOEVER, BUT, BUT I AM BEEN TRYING TO DO IS UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS AND, AND, AND SO FAR, I'M NOT SURE I SEE THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT JUSTIFIES A 25 YEAR, UH, GRANDFATHERING HERE OF THE, OF THE REGULATIONS.
AND, UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS.
I, I'M NOT CRITICAL OF THE NONPROFIT OR THEIR WILL, THEIR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO DO WHAT THEY THINK IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST AT ALL.
BUT I'M HERE TO LOOK AT THE INTEREST OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE IN THIS AREA IN SPECIFIC.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T SEE, I'M NOT SURE I'M YET CONVINCED ABOUT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS.
SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS SUGGEST THAT WE, WE GO WITH A TENURE, UM, TIMEFRAME, UH, FOR THIS, AND THEN THEY CAN COME BACK FOR ANOTHER 10 YEAR EXTENSION.
AND THAT WAY THEY CAN GET WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THE FIRST BUILDING ON THE GROUND.
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STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND GET AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION OF THAT.SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE CERTAINTY IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.
THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, I WOULD OFFER AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
BY ARE ACTUALLY, WE DON'T DO FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS, COMMISSIONER, KEYSTONE AMENDMENT OFFERED TO, FOR IT TO BE A TENURE SITE, A SITE PLAN PERIOD, A 10 YEAR.
IT TOOK TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT PHASE, FOLLOWED BY, AND THEN THEY COULD COME BACK AND ASK FOR ANOTHER TENURE EXTENSION TO THAT, OR A 15 YEAR, WHATEVER THEY NEED.
I'M JUST GOING TO SAY 10 YEARS.
10 YEAR, UM, DEVELOPMENT PHASE, UM, OFFERED BY COMMISSIONER KING.
AND I WILL SECOND THAT, AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE, WELL, FIRST OFF, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO IT, BUT THERE, I MEAN, THIS IS A, THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY BIG NONPROFIT.
AND I THINK BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD IS A NONPROFIT, BUT I ACTUALLY THINK WE GRANT EXTENSIONS ALL THE TIME.
AND SO IF THEY'RE HAPPY, IF THEY'RE NEEDING TO COME TO IT FOR AN EXTENSION, THEY COULD COME FOR AN EXTENSION.
AND I WOULDN'T EVEN SPECIFY, I THINK 10 YEARS IS, IS A GOOD, IS A GOOD PERIOD OF TIME.
AND THEN COME BACK IN 10 YEARS.
UM, BUT I DID SEE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD $120 MILLION IN ANNUAL REVENUE OR SOMETHING LAST YEAR ON THEIR WEBSITE.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S, AND I JUST DON'T LIKE THIS DISTINCTION BETWEEN NONPROFITS AND FOR PROFITS, I THINK JUST ADHERE TO THE RULES AND 10 YEARS.
I MEAN, WE ARE CUTTING THEM SOME SLACK, SO, BUT ANYWAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, IF NOT, WE CAN VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT OR A 10 YEAR BY COMMISSIONER KING SECONDED BY ME, UH, FOR 10 YEARS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OR COMMISSIONER VICE CHAMBER.
I JUST HAVE TO SAY I'M, I DON'T KNOW.
IS THERE A STANDARD THAT WE USUALLY, UM, RANT IS THERE I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THESE EXTENSIONS? WE HAVE, WE HAVE GRANTED EXTENSIONS FOR A LOT OF, I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE ONES THAT WE'VE GRANTED AND WE COULD LOOK IT UP LATER, BUT ALSO WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF NONPROFITS COME THROUGH HERE AND NOT ASK FOR 25 YEARS.
I REMEMBER THE AUTISM CENTER, ALL SORTS OF AUTISM, HORSE, RIDING RANCH, ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
THIS IS A REAL NEW THING TO SEE 25 YEARS.
AND I'LL GO TO A COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND THEN COMMISSIONER BRAY.
I'M JUST GOING TO RESPOND TO THE MISSION.
UH, BUT, UH, IT, YES, IT IS, UH, UH, COMMON TO GIVE EXTENSIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS SOME TYPE OF ECONOMY DISRUPTION, BECAUSE ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT HAVING A LONG RANGE PLANS IS THAT WE GENERALLY KNOW IN PHASES WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, AND, UH, INCREMENTALLY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN 25 YEARS IS AN EXTRAORDINARY AMOUNT OF TIME.
I THINK THAT THAT'S A PRETTY OBVIOUS, I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN GIVING PROFIT OR NONPROFIT FOR GETTING YOUR MOUTH WHAT IT IS THAT LONG.
UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT AGAINST THIS.
I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONDITIONER.
KING'S COMPROMISE FOR 10 YEARS.
I, WHAT I HATE ON THIS IS I SEE US GETTING INTO ANOTHER NUMBERS GAME, WHICH WE OFTEN DO.
UH, AND, UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE UNREASONABLE, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, WE DON'T WANT TO GO CRAZY EITHER.
CAUSE THIS COULD SET PRECEDENT FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, UH, DOWN THE FUTURE.
AND THEY'LL SAY, WELL, YOU GAVE 25 YEARS TO BE SC OR WHATEVER IT IS.
WELL, ANYHOW, THAT'S MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ON IT.
I GUESS I WOULD, UH, I ECHO WHAT, UH, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ SAID THAT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE EXTENSION PROCESS AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO LEARN HOW EXPENSIVE AND CUMBERSOME THAT PROCESS IS TO GET AN EXTENSION.
LIKE, DID YOU HAVE TO DO A SITE PLAN OR IS IT JUST, THEY JUST SEND AN APPLICATION TO THE CITY? WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL?
COULD THEY JUST APPLY FOR SOMETHING UNDER THE NEW, UNDER THE NEW RULES FOR AN EXCEPTION? UM, COULD OUR CASE MANAGER, UM, RESPOND TO THAT? ANNE, COULD YOU ANSWER THAT? YES, THIS IS,
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AND TO THANK THE CITY OF AUSTIN.SO FOR AN EXTENSION, THEY DO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE SITE PLAN DIVISION AND SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION AND GO THROUGH ANY REVIEW CYCLE.
HOWEVER, IT IS A LESSER FEE AND IT IS A MUCH QUICKER PROCESS.
THEY ONLY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THAT IN TIME BEFORE THEIR ORIGINAL SITE PLAN EXPIRES.
AND SO SOME FOLKS KIND OF LATE IN THE GAME AND IT CAN SOMETIMES CAUSE THEM ISSUES TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS QUICKLY ENOUGH, BUT IT IS A MUCH SHORTER A SITE PLAN PROCESS, AND IT IS CHEAPER AS WELL.
AND THEN I SAW COMMISSIONER EVANS.
TOOK ANOTHER CLICK TO GET IT DONE.
I KNOW WE'VE GOT THIS SUBSTITUTE MOTION UP, BUT I WONDER WHETHER WE MIGHT CAN SPEED THE PROCESS ALONG IF WE WOULD, UH, MAYBE GO BETWEEN WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER KING WOULD LIKE AND WHAT MR. SMITH HAS COME UP WITH AND, AND, UH, TOUCH BASE WITH THE APPLICANT AND SEE IF THEY COULD LIVE WITH AN INITIAL 15 YEAR PROCESS.
UM, UH, BLUE, CLARK, ARE YOU THERE?
UM, YEAH, SO, YOU KNOW, 15 YEARS SPLITTING THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T QUITE MEET HER MATH, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ARE, UH, APPRECIATIVE OF, OF ANY EXTENSION Y'ALL CAN GIVE US, BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS FOR US AND WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO SAVE OURSELVES SOME MONEY DOWN THE ROAD.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE ALSO, WE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO MAKING SURE THIS PLAN IS SOUNDS, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MADE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENT IS IN THE ONION CREEK WATERSHED WE'VE LEFT THE WATER CREEK WATERSHED ALONE.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE WE APPRECIATE ANY CONSIDERATION.
SO THEN, UH, WE COULD MAKE ANOTHER AMENDMENT.
UM, ARE YOU PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT COMMISSIONER EVANS? YES.
AND I THINK COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, I ACTUALLY A SECOND.
AND I WAS GOING TO SAY IN SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN FOR 15 YEARS AND I WILL WITHDRAW THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE I CAN SUPPORT THIS IF, IF, IF, IF, IF MY SECOND IS OKAY WITH IT.
SO THEY ARE JUST, SO WE HAVE THIS MOTION FOR 15 YEARS, UM, SPLITTING, SPLITTING THE BABY WATER OR WHATEVER.
I ALSO SAW COMMISSIONER RAY RAISING HER HAND.
DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, CAUSE YOU RAISED YOUR HAND BEFORE ME.
NO LONGER SUPER TOPICAL, BUT JUST AS SOMEONE THAT WORKS IN THE NONPROFIT SECTOR, THIS IS A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
I'M FIGHTING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES IS A REALLY IMPORTANT TOPIC BENEFIT AS WELL.
SO I ALSO HAD A, UH, I WANT TO STEP TO KIND OF CLARIFY.
I MEAN, AS I SAID, IT WAS A SMALLER FEE, UM, IN A SHORTER PROCESS, BUT CAN THEY QUANTIFY THAT POSSIBLY ARE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE 75%, 25% OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
IF HE GAVE ME THREE MINUTES, I CAN PROBABLY GOOGLE IT.
WHAT THEY ARE RIGHT THERE IN THEIR HANDS.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY SEES ON A SMALLEST PIECE OF THE WHOLE THING, A BIGGER CONSULTANCY ATTORNEY, THE ENGINEER THERE, EVERYBODY ELSE YOU GOTTA HIRE
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AND YOU COULD BE PROBABLY 50 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WITHDRAWN PLAN.AND WITHOUT QUANTIFYING THAT NUMBER, I CAN ASSURE YOU, IT WILL INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER TIME.
THE THINGS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE LATELY HAVE JUST BEEN FATHOMABLE TO DO ANYTHING.
SO I'M ON FOLKS, LET'S SAY THESE PEOPLE SOME MONEY, IF WE CAN, THIS IS ANDREW SANCTUS.
UM, THE FEE IT LOOKS LIKE IS AROUND $3,200 FOR JUST THE EXTENSION.
AND SO THAT IS, UM, THEIR CURRENT FEES ARE AROUND 40,000, I BELIEVE FOR THE CITY.
AND SO NOT A SMALL PERCENTAGE, BUT AGAIN, IT PROBABLY WILL MOST LIKELY GO UP OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER EVANS, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR YES.
AND NOW, UM, THAT IS THE END OF OUR, OF OUR, OF OUR CASES.
AND THEN GOING ON TO, UH, SEE NEW BUSINESS, UM, D ITEMS FROM THE CONVICT, FROM THE COMMISSION REVISION, A D ONE REVISION OF THE AUSTIN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING THERE? UM, I KNOW, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, ANYTHING? NOPE.
THEN, UM, E FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. AND I'D LIKE TO PUT THAT AT THE END ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WHY DON'T
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WE GO TO OUR COMMITTEE REPORTS AND WORKING GROUPS AND SEE IF ANYTHING FROM THERE WILL BECOME A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND FIRST CODES AND ORDINANCES DURING COMMITTEE.TOMORROW AT ONE O'CLOCK AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE NOW AND SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE.
THEN THE HIGHLIGHT OF TONIGHT, THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS WORKING GROUP.
AND THANK YOU TO VICE-CHAIR BERRERA RAMIREZ COMMISSIONERS, A GARY DUNCAN, KING AND BRAY.
I PRINTED OUT YOUR COMMENTS, BUT LET YOU TAKE IT AWAY.
ANDREW, CAN YOU PULL IT UP? AND I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN ABOUT THIS, BUT HE DID MOST OF THE FIRST SLIDE.
SO DO YOU WANT TO START WITH THOSE, JIM? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.
YEAH, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, BUT IT GETS RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SAY THAT THIS WAS ONE OF THE BEST, UH, WORKING GROUPS I'VE EVER BEEN ON.
I WOULD, I'M JUST SO PROUD OF, UH, OF NIGERIA AND MY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
CAUSE THAT'S WHEN I GOT INTO THIS, I HAD REALLY HAD SOME FRUSTRATIONS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I VOLUNTEERED TO DO, UH, THAT WAS TAKEN UP THE QUESTION BY THE COMMUNITIES ARE DOING, UH, AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE I, WHEN I STARTED THIS AND I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE FRUSTRATED WITH THE WAY WE'VE BEEN APPLYING VIRTUAL CONFERENCING, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 WEEKS.
CAUSE IT WAS 10 WEEKS AGO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, MOVED US IN THIS DIRECTION.
UH, I WAS FIRST OF ALL, PLANNING SOON AND I WILL SAY UP FRONT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS BOOM.
I THINK THAT IT WAS HOW WE WERE JUST UNPREPARED.
SO FIRST OF ALL, I LOOKED AT, UH, ALBUQUERQUE DENVER, AND I THINK THIS WAS INTERESTING.
THIS WAS A HEADLINE THEY'RE USING ZOOM AND LEFT THE FIRST TIME THEY USED IT WAS OKAY.
SO WE WEREN'T THE ONLY ONES THAT WERE HAVING PROBLEMS ON THIS.
I NEED TO SECOND ONE AND WE'LL GO QUICKLY.
DO I MOVE IT OR DOES SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE TO MOVE IT FOR ME? THAT'S OKAY.
UH, AND THIS JUST SHOWS ONE THING I DID NOTICE ON THIS AND EVERYBODY, BUT US, WE ARE ACTUALLY, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S EASIER TO READ IT.
I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED ON HOW TO HAVE LIGHTING.
UH, I THINK THE YELLOW BOX AROUND IT, THIS MAY SOUND MANUAL, BUT COLLECTIVELY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IN COMMUNICATION.
AND THE OTHER THING YOU LOOK UP INTO THE UPPER CORNER, UH, THEY HAVE, UH, WINDOWS, WHICH SHOW AGENDAS AND THE SHOW STAFF SITTING AROUND AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING NOW, THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE, UH, AS, AS
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A COMPASSIONATE ABOUT CITY COUNCIL, JUST THE OTHER DAY, I SHOWED YOU THE EXAMPLE, IT JUST LOOKS DIFFERENT.I'M GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA WE'RE ON CISCO WEBEX.
UH, THIS WAS OUR LAST MEETING WHEN WE DID THE JOLLYVILLE APARTMENTS.
WE WERE ALL LOOKING AT THAT, UH, GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
UH, SO, SO WHAT I FOUND IN FOR WHICH ALSO YOUR CISCO WEBEX, WELL, THE MOST CONSISTENT WITH A LOT OF THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SO THAT WAS IMPRESSED WITH WAS HOW MUCH BETTER THEY DID AT COMMUNICATING UPFRONT GIVING INSTRUCTION, UH, SETTING IT UP.
THIS WAS THE WEBSITE FOR, FOR, WHEREAS FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN YOU SAY HIPS VERSUS GOSPEL MEETINGS, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT OF TRAINING OR THAT TYPE OF A PREP.
AND I THINK THAT'S PARTIALLY, AND IT'S NOT JUST US.
I MEAN, IF ANYBODY SAYS IT, ZAP IS COMPLAINING, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS.
AND THEY'VE HAD ACTRESSES THAT WE HAVE I FOUND OUT, WHICH IS KIND OF HARD TO BLEAK.
THEY USE MICROSOFT TEAMS HAVE THAT ON THEIR WEBSITE.
THEY SHOW BEST VIRTUAL MEETING INSTRUCTIONS.
AND THESE INSTRUCTIONS ARE NOT JUST FOR US, THEY'RE FOR THE CITIZEN, BECAUSE THE BASIC PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO MAXIMIZE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M THE SORT OF THE OLD FOGY IN THE GROUP AND IT'S NEW TO ME, BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT ACTUALLY, AFTER WE GET OVER THIS CORPORATE PROBLEM, UH, THERE'S SOME RESIDUAL BENEFITS THAT WE'LL PROBABLY BE DOING IN THE FUTURE AND USING VIRTUAL CONFERENCE WHERE YOU CAN SAVE US TIME AND MONEY AND UH, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, IT GOES AN EXTRA PLEASE.
UH, THE ONE THAT I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD TO PUT IT, I HAVE YOUTUBE UP THERE BECAUSE I COULDN'T FIND WHAT PLATFORM THEY WERE USING.
BUT IF I WOULD RECOMMEND ANYBODY TO GO TO NASHVILLE, ESPECIALLY THE URL I'VE GOT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THEY HAVE A VIDEO, WHICH IS REALLY BASIC.
I HIGHLIGHTED ONE AND IT'S REALLY SIMPLE.
IT DOESN'T, WE'VE GOT TO STOP, WHICH START REMEMBERING IT.
WE'RE NOT JUST TALKING TO OURSELVES, WE'RE TALKING TO A MILLION PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PARTICIPATING.
AND IT GOES THROUGH VIEW, WATCH FEEDBACK, AND IT GOES TO THESE THINGS.
AND THEN YOU SEE THE EXAMPLE THERE THAT THEY PUT A LOT OF THINGS ON THERE.
THEY HAVE THE WINDOWS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE OTHERS.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS QUICKLY AND GET TO THE MEAT OF IT.
THE NEXT PLACE I FOUND THIS GOOD.
ONE OF THEM, I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHERE I GOT IT FROM WAS HOW TO I HAVE TO THIS DISTRICT, WHAT WE GOT AN INSTRUCTION A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT, LOW ANGLES WERE UNFLATTERING.
USE YOUR LIGHT CORRECTLY, AVOID CLUTTER.
THESE ARE TRAININGS, THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF.
UH, I THINK IT CAN HELP ALL OF US, UH, NEXT PLEASE.
WHEN I GOT TO AUSTIN AND WE'RE USING THE CISCO WEBEX, NOW MY WEBSITE AND I WILL STAND CORRECTED IF I COULDN'T FIND IT.
BUT QUITE FRANKLY, I COULDN'T FIND ANYTHING ABOUT GETTING INTO A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT OR THE INSTRUCTIONS RIGHT THERE.
THESE WERE THE PRE COVID INSTRUCTIONS AND IT BASICALLY, I CUT THE MIDDLE OUT, BUT IT GOES A WHOLE LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT'D GO THROUGH, THERE IS I COULD FIND NOTHING ON THE CITY OF BOSTON'S WEBSITE, WHICH REALLY INSTRUCTED EITHER US INTERNALLY OR THE CITIZENRY ON HOW TO EFFECTIVELY USE ALL OF THIS.
AND IT'S BEEN 10 WEEKS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THE STAFF, THE MANAGER TO PROCEED ON THIS.
I DON'T WANT TO EDITORIALIZE TOO MUCH, BUT I KNOW WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
NEXT, BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE I DID FIND, AND I FELT REAL GOOD ABOUT THIS, THAT OUR LIBRARY HAS BETTER INFORMATION ON VIDEO CONFERENCE.
I THINK THAT THE CITY GOVERNMENT DOES GOVERNMENT DOES, UH, IT GOES THROUGH, BUT I THINK IT'S DESIGNED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S DECIDED TO WHERE, WHEN YOU COME IN AND USE THEIR FACILITIES, YOU CAN USE IT TO, TO VIDEO CONFERENCE WITH YOUR HUSBAND AND FATHER THAT'S ENOUGH.
WE GOTTA SIGN OR, YOU KNOW, SO I'M REALLY PROUD OF OUR LIBRARY.
AND MOVING FORWARD ON THIS, I JUST WENT TO THE CITY WAS LAGGING SO FAR BEHIND NEXT PLACE.
UH, AND THIS WAS JUST AN ARTICLE THAT I PUT THIS IN BECAUSE THIS CAME OUT ON MARCH 31ST.
THIS IS WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED US THAT'S 10 WEEKS AGO.
AND THERE WERE SOME INTERESTING QUOTES IN HERE, UH, THAT, UH, BUT THE OVERRIDING IMPORTANCE OF THIS, THIS WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE HEALTH MONITOR, UM, THAT, THAT THERE'S GOTTA BE A DIFFERENT WORLD AND WE NEED TO ACCEPT IT, BUT, UH, WE'LL GIVE COPIES OF ALL THIS.
NEXT PLACE I WANT TO GET TO NOT YOUR SPACE.
CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING.
UM, SO WE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE, I DID SEE AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR MEETING TODAY WAS AN AGENDA SCREEN, WHICH I THINK WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE.
AND I THINK OTHER DOCUMENTS LIKE MAPS AND THE SPEAKER LIST DURING THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE HELPFUL.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT AS A GROUP,
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UM, A DYNAMIC SPEAKER LIST THAT SHOWS WHO'S NEXT IN THE QUEUE, I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL THOSE CALLERS.SO THE CHAIR DOESN'T HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REPEAT WHO'S NEXT, UM, WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UH, ALSO WE'D LOVE, WE LOVE TO SEE WENDY AND ANDREW AND ALL THE STAFF.
AND, UM, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY WERE ON THE SCREEN AND WE COULD ACTUALLY INTERACT WITH THEM INSTEAD OF HAVING BEEN, THEY HAVE TO SCRAMBLE FOR THEIR PHONE AND UNMUTE.
UM, IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO SEE THEM FACE TO FACE.
WE THINK THAT THERE COULD BE BETTER DIRECTIONS TO CALLERS ABOUT IN WRITING AND ABOUT THE SPECIFIC COLLIN NUMBER THAT THEY HAVE TO USE IN CASE THEY GET DROPPED FROM A CALL.
IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS WAY AND GIVING AS MUCH DIRECTION AS POSSIBLE.
THAT'S CLEAR WOULD BE, WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, HAVING, AND AS JIM MENTIONED BETTER USER-FRIENDLY INSTRUCTIONS ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, WE ALSO THOUGHT THAT THE 24 HOUR SIGN-IN WAS, UM, KIND OF AWKWARD AND THAT IN THE PAST YOU COULD JUST COME TO THE MEETING AND SIGN UP TO SPEAK RIGHT AWAY.
AND SO MAYBE GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THAT WAY AND HAVING PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO SIGN UP BY THE MORNING OF THE MEETING AT 9:00 AM.
WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT AS THESE ONLY REQUESTS ARE HAPPENING, PEOPLE HAVE A LEARNING CURVE TO HOW TO SIGN UP, TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY.
AND SO MAYBE IN THE, IN THE NOTIFICATION FOR THE ZONING REQUESTS, WE COULD ADD THESE DIRECTIONS TO THAT NOTIFICATION SO THAT PEOPLE ARE CLEAR THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN UP A DAY BEFORE THE MORNING OF TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS HOW THEY CAN GET INVOLVED.
SO, UM, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT LATE BACKUP ITEMS THAT, UM, THEY SHOULD BE PULLED, ESPECIALLY IF SPEAKERS DON'T HAVE TIME TO SIGN UP, TO SPEAK ON THOSE ITEMS AND THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SIGN UP LATE.
UM, NUMBER NINE IS WE, THE ZAPS SHOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO POSTPONE ITEMS WITH LATE BACKUP AS NEEDED.
AND WE USE THIS, UH, THE FOLKS IN THE, UM, ON THE COMMITTEE THAT USE THIS TODAY.
UH, SO THE POINT OF ORDER WHEN YOU CAN'T HEAR, UM, IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL EXPERIENCING DIFFICULTIES HEARING.
AND IF WE CAN JUST SPEAK UP WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE CAN'T HEAR AS IT'S GOOD, UM, NUMBER 11 SPEAKER TIMES SHOULD BE ADDED.
IF, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE IS, IF WE CAN'T HEAR THEM FOR A MINUTE, THEY SHOULD GET THAT MINUTE ADDED BACK TO THEIR TIME AND THEN THE VALUE OF THIS AND THE LONGTERM.
SO IF SOMEONE LIVES A FAR ACROSS TOWN, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE OUT OF TOWN, UM, THIS WOULD BE VALUABLE, I THINK, IN THE FUTURE, UH, FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY VERSUS HAVING TO COME TO CITY HALL.
SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE IDENTIFIED AS SPECIFICALLY WITH PARTICIPATION.
SO THOSE COLORS THAT HAVE TO HOLD FOR A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, AND THE CONNECTIONS MAY GET DROPPED AND IT'S CHALLENGING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THE QUEUE.
SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALL CLARIFIED AND THEN THE CITY EVIDENTLY CALLS THESE COLORS.
AND SO, AND THEY GIVE THEM A SHORT PERIOD, YEAH.
TIME WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO CALL.
SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY SAY IT WILL ALSO HAVING TO BE ON HOLD FOR A LONG TIME, HOURS AND HOURS ON END MAY BE REALLY CHALLENGING FOR FOLKS.
SO SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE WITH THE QUEUE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
AND THEN WE REALLY THINK THAT THE WHOLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO AUTOMATICALLY MUTE AND UNMUTE SPEAKERS, UM, AS OPPOSED TO THE SPEAKER HAVING TO DO IT THEMSELVES.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT WE THINK THAT WOULD HELP GO A LONG WAY, UM, DURING THESE MEETINGS.
AND THEN ALSO ENSURING THAT ALL INSTRUCTIONS ARE AVAILABLE IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.
I KNOW THAT SOME OF THEM ARE AVAILABLE IN SPANISH AND ENGLISH, BUT WE HAVE A GROWING ASIAN COMMUNITY WE MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDER.
SO MAKING SURE THAT AT THE TIME GATE, EVERYONE CAN GET INVOLVED IF THEY WANT TO.
I THINK THE LAST SLIDE, UM, IS ABOUT JUST, UH, THE WEBEX, UM, HOW WE USE IT TODAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, I HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH ZOOM AND MICROSOFT TEAMS. I USE IT ALL THE TIME FOR WORK AND YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR BACKGROUND AND BLURRY BACKGROUND.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO.
UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT FROM OUR, OUR SHARE FROM OUR SCREENS DIRECTLY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I COULD HAVE JUST PULLED THIS UP AND BE CHANGING MY OWN SLIDE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, SAME WITH STAFF OR AN APPLICANT BEING ABLE TO PRESENT OR CONTROL THE SCREEN.
UM, AND THIS IS, THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE COMING FROM EARLIER TODAY, COMMISSIONER BRAY, UM, CREATED A WEBEX MEETING AND WE ALL KIND OF PLAYED WITH THE SOFTWARE AND WE BECAME AWARE THAT THERE IS A POLLING FEATURE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO VOTE.
SO IF WE COULDN'T, FOR WHATEVER REASON HERE, THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, VOTE THAT WAY AND, AND CAPTURE THE VOTE.
UM, SO WE THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A NICE THING TO ENABLE.
AND THEN ALSO THE CHAT FEATURE IS, IS NICE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THINGS DURING THE MEETING.
AND THEN THIS, I NOTICED TONIGHT, I HADN'T SEEN IT IN PREVIOUS WEEKS, BUT WE DO HAVE A BLUE BOX AROUND THE SPEAKER, UM, WHICH I FEEL LIKE IS A NEW THING, OR IT WASN'T
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HERE LAST WEEK, BUT THIS WEEK THE SPEAKER WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.UM, SO WE CAN CROSS THAT ONE OFF AND I THINK THAT'S IT.
SO, UM, LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AND NEXT STEPS.
HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THAT.
AND I REALLY SUPER APPRECIATE IT.
AND I HAD SENT A, I WANT TO ACTUALLY JUST ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ANDREW, IN RESPONSE TO AN EMAIL THAT I HAD SENT AFTER THE 84 SPEAKERS ON THAT ONE CASE THAT HAS ACTUALLY PUT UP, UM, THE SPEAKER LIST.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT'S ON, IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S AS PART OF THE BACKUP AND I ASKED HIM TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S GOOD, BUT I, UM, JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH AND FURTHER, UH, ACTIONS, COMMENTS FROM YOU, ALL ACTION ITEMS FOR, TO BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR AS NEW BUSINESS.
I'LL GO FIRST TO, UM, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.
UH, I DRAG MORE ADDITION HEARING SOME OF OUR CONFLICTS, BUT, UH, AS I STARTED EARLIER, I LEARNED A LOT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ON THIS COMMITTEE, BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INDICTMENT OF, UH, OF OUR IMMEDIATE STAFF, UH, RECORDING.
I THINK THEY ARE WORKING THEIR TAILS OFF AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I THINK IT'S A MUCH BIGGER THING.
I THINK THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE HIGHER UPS.
I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, THIS CITY AND THIS CITY ADMINISTRATION IS BEING FACED WITH PROBABLY TWO OF THE BIGGEST CRISES THEY'RE EVER GOING TO BE FACED WITH, UH, WITH THE CORONAVIRUS AND WITH PUBLIC HEALTH, THE PUBLIC SAFETY.
I MEAN, THAT'S NO BIG SECRET, BUT THAT MAKES IT EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMUNICATION WITH OUR RESIDENTS.
AND WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB OF THAT.
THERE'S SOME LITTLE STUFF THAT I THINK WE CAN DO.
I MEAN, THE RING AROUND THE BOX WAS MY, THE THING THAT I THINK MAYBE EVEN EMBARRASSED, BUT THAT MENTIONED THE ISSUE OF THE STUDENTS TALKING AT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE ONLY GROUP THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, I KEEP LOOKING AT, LET'S SEE ONE, OKAY.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THIS, BUT COMMUNICATION IS 70% BODY LANGUAGE AND EYE CONTACT.
AND IT REALLY IS GOOD TO HAVE THAT.
I THOUGHT I SAW I'M SOMEBODY YOU'RE IN THE HEADLIGHTS, I BELIEVE WITHOUT SAYING, UH, BUT HE'S STILL, YOU CAN SEE HIM, YOU KNOW, HE'S NOT OUT PLAYING GOLF, UH, COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, YOU ACTUALLY CUT OUT FOR A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE GOOD, UH, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S MY, UH, SPECTRUM DOESN'T SERVE ME WELL UP HERE IN THE NORTHWEST, BUT ANYHOW, NO, I DIDN'T MEET, BUT I THINK SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GET SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION IN CITY HALL.
AND I GIVE IT A G COREY AND ANDREW AND SHERRY AND WINDY THE RESOURCES AND THE DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS SO CRITICAL.
AND I'M SORRY, I JUST WANTED TO AMPLIFY MY FRUSTRATION BECAUSE I KNOW IT CAN BE DONE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ZOOM, NOT HAVING THE CAPABILITIES.
I MEAN, UH, A WEBEX, UH, UH, TIM SHOWED US THAT TODAY.
UH, SO ANYHOW, I I'M INTERESTED IN SOME VIOLENT NON COMMITTED MEMBERS, TOP NINE WORKSHOP MEMBERS, UH, IN COMMENTING.
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ANY ACTION ITEMS TO PUT ON THE AGENDA? COMMISSIONER KING? I, YOU KNOW, I WAS ON THE WORK GROUP, SO I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, BUT NO ONE ELSE WANTED TO SPEAK, BUT I'LL SO I'LL, I'LL JUMP IN RIGHT NOW.SO, UH, BUT I TOO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT WEREN'T ON THE WORK GROUP TO HEAR WHAT YOU THINK, BUT LET ME JUST, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT ABOUT, UH, BEING ON HOLD FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU KNOW, I DID, I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, UH, UH, W WHEN WOULD THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE MEETING AND ONE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND, AND BOTH OF THOSE MEETINGS, I WAS ON HOLD FOR MULTIPLE HOURS.
I WAS ON HOLD FOR THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN HOURS.
AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS, YOU KNOW, I COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOCKED ON YOUR PHONE, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING YOU'RE STUCK THERE.
AND YOU PRAY THAT YOU DON'T, YOU LOSE CELL SERVICE BECAUSE IF YOU GET DISCONNECTED FROM A QUEUE OF 300 SPEAKERS, AND YOU'RE THE 100 SPEAKER, GUESS WHAT YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE QUEUE.
AND SO THIS IS NOT A TRIVIAL ISSUE OF, OF BEING ON HOLD FOR A LONG TIME AND BEING SUBJECT TO THE DROP CALLS FROM AT AND T THEY'RE WELL KNOWN FOR DROPPING CALLS AND THAT'S ENSURE ENOUGH, I HAD SEVERAL DROP CALLS.
AND SO GUESS WHAT I GOT BACK AT THE END OF
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THE QUEUE.I'M NOT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ME CAUSE I CAN DEAL WITH THAT.
I HAVE THE TIME AND I CAN DIAL BACK IN.
AND THE OTHER THING IS I HAVE UNLIMITED MINUTES ON MY PHONE, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO AND HOW MANY OF OUR FOLKS THAT WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING HAVE THE TIME TO SIT DOWN FOR FIVE HOURS ON THEIR PHONE, WAITING ON HOLD AND BURNING UP ALL THEIR MINUTES.
SO THIS IS A VERY, TO ME IT'S ALSO AN EQUITY ISSUE OR AN INEQUITY ISSUE HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS PROCESS WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
I CAN, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT STRATEGY FOR, FOR THE CITY GOING FORWARD.
IT SHOULDN'T JUST BE DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THERE SHOULD BE A STRATEGY THAT WE IMPLEMENT AND, AND, AND, AND FUND GOING FORWARD.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND WOULD SUGGEST IF THE COMMISSION IS WILLING TO DO THIS IS TO SEND THIS PACKAGE OF IDEAS AND RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, HEY, PLEASE CONSIDER THESE.
AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, WE'D HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU IDEAS AND STRATEGIES TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, BUT TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS AN IMPORTANT INVESTMENT AS COMMISSIONER DUNCAN SAID, NOT JUST FOR NOW, BUT FOR THE FUTURE FOR OUR CITY.
AND THIS CITY WE KNOW IS A HIGH TECH CITY.
WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE CAPABILITY.
AND SO, UM, I'M HERE ADVOCATING STRONGLY THAT WE REALLY, THAT WE REALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, MAKING THIS A, A ROBUST, UH, VIRTUAL MEETING, UM, UH, PROCESS FOR OUR, FOR OUR, UH, CITY HERE.
AND, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ACTION ITEMS, COMMISSIONER EVANS? I AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER DUCT AND KING HAVE JUST SAID THAT WE REALLY NEED TO GET THIS IN THE, AND THE HANDS AND A BEAR KARATE GROUP OR WHATEVER WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY THAT CAN THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATE AND SEE IF THERE IS A WAY TO COME UP WITH A, AN APPROACH THAT WORKS.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THE IDEA OF HAVING A ZOOM MEETING WITH US AND A HUNDRED FOLKS WHO WANTED TO PARTICIPATE, NOBODY WILL SEE A PICTURE OF ANYTHING ON THE SCREEN.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF LOGISTICS TO, FOR, BUT THERE HAS GOT TO BE SOME, SOME METHODOLOGY THAT CAN BE DEVELOPED TO, UH, TO DO THIS.
AND I KNOW MANY COMPANIES, PRIVATE COMPANIES HAVE GONE TO VERY LARGE TOWN HALL MEETINGS, VERY LARGE PRESENTATIONS, AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE SOLVED THAT PROBLEM.
SO I THINK WE, WE STARTED THE FIRST SOLUTION, THE EASIEST WAY TO PUT SOMETHING OUT AND TRY TO GET IT WORKING.
AND THEN WE HAVE PROVEN BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH IT AND LET'S GO FORWARD.
LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T GET SOME ATTENTION ON THIS.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S KINDA INTERESTING, THE IDEA THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE POTENTIAL INNOVATION MEETING WISE, UH, IN THE FUTURE, IF IT FOLKS WHO HAVE DIFFICULTY TRAVELING TO, UH, TO CITY HALL AT A, AT A WAY TO, TO PARTICIPATE, UH, I'D LIKE TO CAUTION AGAINST THAT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE DON'T FIND OUR DECKS BACK SO BAD THAT WE NEVER GET ANYTHING.
SO PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE AND IF THEY FIND A SYSTEM THAT THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND PUT IT INTO A QUAGMIRE, IT CAN HAPPEN.
SO WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET OURSELVES JUST TOTALLY BOGGED DOWN.
BUT YEAH, I SUPPORT, I THINK Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB ON IDENTIFYING THE ISSUES AND GOING THROUGH THINGS.
AND I SAW SOMEBODY ELSE'S HAND UP, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO THAT WAS.
UM, AND SOME, UH, I WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, I AGREE ABOUT VIDEO TESTIMONY, I THINK, BUT MR. EVANS SAID ABOUT HAVING A HUNDRED PEOPLE'S SCREENS UP, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T SEE ANYTHING, BUT IF WE HAVE MAYBE JUST A PURCHASE TESTIFYING, I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, AND I THOUGHT THAT THIS, I DIDN'T BRING UP IN THE WORKING GROUP, BUT PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF BOTH CALLING IN OR JOIN ANY WEBEX.
LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO JOIN WEBEX NECESSARILY BECAUSE LIKE, THAT MIGHT BE COMPLICATED FOR SOME PEOPLE LIKE OTHER OPTION, BUT I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE PEOPLE TESTIFYING.
UM, I ALSO WAS GOING TO VOLUNTEER IF, UH, WE WANT TO DO, LIKE, I COULD SHARE A SCREEN AND HAVE LIKE PUBLIC TESTIMONY OF I'D BE WILLING TO LIKE, DO THE LOGISTICS OF THAT IF I, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE FOR THE CHAIR TO DO THAT.
BUT ALSO MAYBE YOU'RE HANDLING A BUNCH OF THINGS.
SO IT MIGHT BE EASIER JUST FOR SOMEONE ELSE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND ALSO WE PLAYED AROUND WITH THE CHAT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY, UH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL USEFUL FOR THINGS LIKE ASKING YOU TO SPEAK OR VOTING ON MOTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY, UH, I THINK WE'RE REALLY SMOOTHED TODAY.
SO I THINK WE'LL BE DOING RAISING HANDS IS GOOD, BUT WHENEVER THERE'S PROBLEMS,
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UM, WE COULD HAVE CHATTED IT BACK UP TO VOTE ON THINGS CAUSE YOU, IF YOU CAN SAVE THE RECORD, UM, OF THE, OF THE CHAT, UH, LIKE AS A TEXT DOCUMENT.SO IT'S FOR PUBLIC RECORDS THAT CAN EXIST.
I LIKE, I AGREE WITH DAVID, WE SHOULD FORWARD THIS TO COUNSEL COMMISSIONER.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT QUICK.
I DID MENTION IT EARLIER BECAUSE IT MAY NOT FIT MAKES ME MORE OF A COSMETIC, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I FOUND INTRIGUING DOING A WORKSHOP OR WORKING GROUP MEETING WAS WE WERE ON ZOOM TO START OUT WITH AND WE WERE ABLE TO SWITCH TO WEBEX WHEN WE WERE ON ZOOM.
EVERY ONE OF US HAD A VIRTUAL BACKGROUND AND, UH, IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THAT THE REST OF YOU DIDN'T SEE THIS WELL, UH, I HAD MY SOUTH SEAS ISLAND, WHICH I DREAM UP A NOTCH.
I HAD THE AURORA BUTLERY ALICE, UH, TO HIM HAD A BEAUTIFUL SUNSET.
AND ANNA WAS IN SAN FRANCISCO PLAYING UNDER THE GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE.
AND IT WASN'T DISTRACTED WAS IT WAS IT WASN'T CLUTTERED.
SO MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF I PURSUED MY BLOOD THAT CAN ALSO GIVE YOU A VIRTUAL BACKGROUND.
WELL, I KNOW WHAT JAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO'S HAD THREE OR FOUR SINCE HE STARTED.
SO I'D LIKE MAYBE TO HAVE INSTRUCTIONS ON THAT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLUFFING MY, UH, MY WALL, ANYHOW, THAT'S IT A CONDITIONER KING.
SO ONE OTHER, ONE OTHER ASPECT OF THE VIRTUAL MEETINGS THAT I WANTED JUST TO BRING OUT AND, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, BECAUSE I GOT, I RECEIVED AN EMAIL EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THIS AND THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THESE, UH, THE PROCESS TO, YOU KNOW, SIGN UP TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE VIRTUAL MEETINGS IS THAT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE AN EMAIL ADDRESS AND A PHONE NUMBER.
BUT, AND AS I THINK IT WAS POINTED OUT EARLIER THAT THAT, THAT IT CAN BE DIFFERENT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS.
AND THAT WAS POINTED OUT IN THIS EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC, THAT WHEN THEY TESTIFIED AT ONE COMMISSION, THEY WEREN'T REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN EMAIL ADDRESS OR A PHONE NUMBER.
THEY, THEY WERE, THEY WERE, THEY WERE GIVEN A PHONE NUMBER AS THE COMMISSIONER BRAY HAD HAD SUGGESTED HERE THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU CAN GET A PHONE NUMBER THAT YOU CAN JUST CALL IN.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL GIVE YOU THE PHONE NUMBER AND YOU JUST CALL IN AND TO THAT NUMBER.
AND SO THEREFORE YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE YOUR, YOUR PHONE NUMBER OR YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS PEOPLE COME IN TO SIGN IN FOR OUR IN PERSON MEETINGS AT THAT KNOCK AT CITY HALL, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS OR PHONE NUMBERS EITHER.
SO NOW I DID ASK THE, UM, THE ATTORNEY FOR THE, FOR OUR ZAP COMMISSION ABOUT, ABOUT THIS.
AND HE, HE SAID TO ME, MY ONLY BACK AND SAID YES, THAT WE ARE COMPLYING BY, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING THEM TO PROVIDE AN EMAIL ADDRESS.
AND A PHONE NUMBER IS, CAN, IS WITHIN THE LAWS OF THE, OF THE FOUR FOR OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS, OR, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT FOR TEXAS, THAT IT FALLS WITHIN THE REGULATION.
SO I JUST WANTED TO CHECK TO MAKE SURE WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING A PERSON'S PERSONAL PHONE NUMBER AND PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESS SOMEHOW IS OUTSIDE THE RULES, THEY'RE IN IT.
AND THE ATTORNEY SAID, IT'S NOT OUTSIDE THE RULES THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE LAW ON THAT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT COMMUNICATED IN CASE PEOPLE HAD QUESTIONS OR OTHER FOLKS HAD QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT HAVING TO PROVIDE THEIR PERSONAL EMAIL ADDRESSES AND PHONE NUMBERS WHEN THEY PARTICIPATE IN A VIRTUAL, VIRTUAL PUBLIC MEETINGS.
AND THEN, UM, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, BUT WE'RE NOT POSTED FOR, I REALIZED WE ARE NOT POSTED FOR, UM, ACTION ON THIS ITEM.
SO WE WILL ACTUALLY NEED IN ORDER TO DO SOMETHING.
UM, OUR PARLIAMENTARIAN IS NOT HERE, SO WE, I THINK WE NEED TO ACTUALLY BE POSTED AT THE NEXT MEETING AND FOR ACTION.
AND SO, UM, THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST DO, UM, HAVE IT POSTED, UM, VIRTUAL MEETINGS, WORKING GROUP, UM, COMMISSIONER SMITH, THINK WE CAN PASS THE INFORMATION ONTO HIGH TEA
REMEMBER THEY ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB.
AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE DISSEMINATED, UM, JUST VERY FAR AND WIDE.
AND ESPECIALLY, I, I BELIEVE ACTUALLY COUNCIL COULD USE THE, COULD USE THIS TOO.
CAUSE, UM, I'VE HEARD FROM STAFF MEMBERS ABOUT HAVING TO WAIT FOR
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SIX HOURS TO SPEAK AT A S AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING.AND SO THINKING ABOUT EVEN HAVING THE PUBLIC AND THE STAFF, EVERYBODY, JUST THE HANDHOLD, UM, THAT SEEMS A WASTE OF TIME.
UM, SO SHALL WE POST IT, THEN WE'LL POST IT FOR OUR NEXT AGENDA AND, UM, THE COMMISSIONER DUNCAN? WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN IS I SAID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 10 WEEKS INTO PROBLEMATIC, I GUESS I JUST KIND OF ANOTHER TWO WEEKS KIND OF BOTHERS ME FOR PROCEDURAL THING.
I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS, RIGHT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEND THIS MESSAGE OUT MUCH FASTER.
I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, THE COUNCIL MEMBER ALTAR AWARE OF OUR CONCERNS.
AND QUITE FRANKLY, I'VE TALKED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
THEY HAVE HAD EVEN MORE DISASTROUS MEETINGS AND WE HAVE, OKAY.
SO I FELT KINDA GOOD AFTER I HATE TO SAY THAT.
UH, BUT NO, THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND REDO THE WHOLE AGENDA.
AND I'M NOT SAYING IT WAS JUST THE VIRTUAL CONFERENCING, BUT I THINK IT'S THE TRANSITION TO THAT DISCUSSING THE PROBLEM.
SO WE NEED TO DO THIS ASAP IS ALL I'M SAYING.
SO IF WE GOT ANY IDEAS, GO AHEAD AND POST IT, BUT JUST DON'T LET IT DOWN THE VINE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MOVE, MOVE, MOVE FORWARD.
I'M JUST A LITTLE ANXIOUS ON THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE AROUND COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULDN'T SEND IT OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT.
SO, UM, I WOULD SAY THAT WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO RIGHT NOW.
UH, UM, I BELIEVE WE COULD SEND IT TO, DIDN'T HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
SO ANDREW, ANDREW, HELLO, ANDREW COREY FOR SENDING OUT THE INSTRUCTION SHEET, THE FOURTH OF NIGHT'S MEETING WAS HELPFUL.
I CHIME IN TOO, AND I KIND OF SEE THAT THE CHANGES ARE ALREADY OCCURRING.
AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN'S EARLIER THAT THIS IS NOT, I'M NOT COMPLAINING.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE COMPLAINING AT ALL ABOUT STAFF, NOT DOING THE JOB, BUT THIS IS, THIS IS ALL JUST COME UPON US ALL HERE ALL AT ONCE.
MY CAREER WAS IN IT, AND I UNDERSTAND IT TAKES TIME TO GET THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT ARE RELIABLE AND SCALABLE AND DO EVERYTHING THEY'RE DESIGNED TO DO PROPERLY.
AND SO I APPRECIATE, UH, THE SITUATION THAT STAFF IS AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET ALL THIS PUT TOGETHER AND MEET ALL OF OUR HIGH EXPECTATIONS HERE AND THE PUBLIC EXPECTATIONS AS WELL.
BUT, AND I THINK STAFF ARE ALREADY LISTENING AND TAKING ACTION ON.
AND COMMISSIONER EVANS, YOU JUST DID A QUICK SEARCH AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE ONE WEBEX VIRTUAL BACKGROUNDS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR IOS RELATED DEVICES.
SO THOSE OF US WHO HAVE PCS ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL AND STAFF, SO THAT THEY SUPPLY US WITH A NEW MANAGER, WHATEVER AROUND FOR ME, OPEN OF APP.
I HAVE, I WISH I COULD JUST SEE COUNCIL SIGNING OFF ON THAT NOW, BUT WHY, SO WE'RE GOING TO THEN LEAVE IT AT THIS, THAT WHATEVER ANDREW CAN DO RIGHT NOW WITHIN HIS PURVIEW, WITHIN OUR PURVIEW, WE'LL DO.
AND THEN WE WILL HAVE POSTED AS AN AGENDA ITEM UNDER, UM, ITEMS FROM THE CONVENTION OR NEW BUSINESS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, UH, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PERIPHERAL MEETINGS WORKING GROUP.
THAT SOUNDS, AND I THINK WE CAN CALL IT A NIGHT.
ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? UM, IF NOT, UM, ALL RIGHT.
ARE YOU SAYING, OR ARE YOU JUST WAVING GOOD NIGHT? ANOTHER ONE AGENDA ITEM I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER FOR A FUTURE MEETING IS WHETHER WE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.
UM, THERE'S KIND OF BEEN LIKE A DELUSION OF CIVIC PARTICIPATION AROUND THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW,
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UM, BECAUSE OF OUR, UM, CURRENT LIKE MOMENT OF RECKONING NATIONALLY.AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ZAP TO WEIGH IN AS WELL, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE SEE SOME OF THOSE INEQUITIES JUST IN OUR OWN WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF HAS LIMITED CAPACITY, HOW CAN THEY IMPLEMENT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE JUST MADE ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, VIRTUAL MEETINGS BECOMING MORE INCLUSIVE? SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAD PLANNED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THIS YEAR OR WHERE THAT STOOD, BUT, UM, I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF OTHERS WOULD BE BEHIND IT.
AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER RAY, I, AND I WILL SECOND HER, OR I'VE, CO-SPONSORED THAT ITEM WITH HER AS A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE HER POINT THERE, AND THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY OUR WINDOW OF TIME.
AND, YOU KNOW, I DO, WE DID RECEIVE EMAILS EARLIER ABOUT FROM, FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE SAYING, HEY, COMMISSION COMMISSIONS, PLEASE CHIME IN ON THE BUDGET.
AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
I UNDERSTAND THE CLOCK IS TICKING.
WE HAVE CASES TO GO AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME.
AND, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE TOO THAT THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO WORK GROUP AND TO LOOK INTO THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROCESS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, BUT, UH, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME, BUT I'M WILLING TO SPEND TIME AND BE ON A WORK GROUP TO KIND OF COMPILE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND BRING THEM BACK TO THE FULL COMMISSION IN AS QUICK A TIME AS WE CAN.
UM, UH, SO I'M WANTING TO THROW MY HAT IN THE RING ON THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER RAY, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF TIMELINE THAT WE HAVE ON, UM, GIVING INPUT TO THE BUDGET? OR DOES ANYBODY, UH, CHAIR, I BELIEVE THAT, UH, THEY NEED OUR INPUT AT THE END OF MAY.
I THINK IT'S AT THE END OF MAY.
SO WE MAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN OUT OF THE, THE TIMEFRAME FOR THAT, BUT THEY STILL HAVEN'T, THEY STILL HAVE NOT HAD THE BUDGET AND IT'S STILL ASKING, LET ME, I'LL, I'LL CHECK MY EMAIL REAL QUICK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE ASKING FOR INPUT BEFORE, BY THE END OF MAY, BUT I'LL CHECK MY EMAIL, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GO AHEAD AND PUT TOGETHER SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND SEND THEM IN BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T THE BUDGET HASN'T GONE TO COUNCIL OR ANYTHING YET.
SO THE FIRST BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING IS THE 23RD OF JULY.
THIS SURVEY FOR THE PUBLIC IS OPEN THROUGH EARLY JULY.
SO IT SEEMS AS THESE DEADLINES HAVE BEEN EXTENDED A LITTLE BIT MORE GENEROUSLY THAN IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE WOULD STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO AND MEANINGFULLY.
OKAY, THEN, UM, UH, WE'LL HA WE'LL PUT ON, UH, THE NEXT AGENDA TO, UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT A WORKING GROUP, UM, FOR INPUT TO THE BUDGET? DOES THAT ALL WORK WITH YOU ALL? YES.
SO, AND THE STATION IMPOSSIBLE ACTION OR HOWEVER THE WORDING IS, AND ANDREW WILL WORDSMITH IT FOR A WORKING GROUP ON THE, ON INPUT ON THE BUDGET.
COMMISSIONER RAY, AND ANY OTHER NEW VISITS? UM, COMMISSIONER KING, YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING OR NO, I JUMPED UP AND STARTING TO WORK ON THE BUDGET ALREADY.
THEN WITH THAT NOTE, I CAN SAY THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED TO WORK ON THE BUDGET.