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[00:00:08]

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE ROLL CALL.

JESSICA COLIN, WILLIAM, DON LAYTON.

WELL, MCDANIEL HERE.

YES.

SMITH MICHAEL VON OLIN HERE, MUSK AND JEALOUS.

IF YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO HEAR IT.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW, RIGHT? THANK YOU EVERYONE.

WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

THE,

[A-1 Staff requests approval of June 8, 2020 draft minutes]

UH, THAT'S THE APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT MINUTES FROM JULY, JUNE, 2020.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY, SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY JESSICA AND A SECOND BIBLE COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS STEPHANIE FROM CITY HALL.

WE'VE LOST AUDIO AGAIN.

SO I JUST NEED TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT.

I'M HOPING YOU CAN HEAR ME GET SOMEONE NOD.

ELAINE, DO YOU HEAR ME? YEAH, I MEAN, THEY CAN'T HEAR ME, THE THREE PEOPLE SO WE'LL TAKE A FIRST

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CHAIR.

I APOLOGIZE.

THIS IS STEPHANIE AND CITY HALL.

WE HAVE LOST THE AUDIO.

SO JUST GIVE ME ONE MOMENT.

I APOLOGIZE.

OR JUST SOME HOUSEKEEPING WHILE WE'RE WAITING.

SHE'S GONE IN VERONICA, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE VOTES FOR THE MINUTES, UH, WHEN WE WERE TAKING ROLL CALL AND YOU WERE THERE, SO ARE YOU YES.

YES.

YOU'RE APPROVING.

THANK YOU.

I'M HAVING ACTIVITY ISSUES AS WELL, SO, OKAY.

YEAH, BUT IT'S PRETTY QUICK.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, ELAINE.

SO, UM, WHILE WE WERE WAITING TO GET RECONNECTED ON AUDIO, UM, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ON

[B-2 Staff and Applicant requests for postponement and withdraw of items posted on this Agenda]

THE, UH, SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION THAT ARE RECONSIDERATIONS.

HOW ARE WE HANDLING THE RECONSIDERATIONS? UH, TYPICALLY WE MAKE A DETERMINATION AT THE FIRST OF THE MEETINGS.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO SEE IF WE WANT TO HEAR THOSE OR NOT, OR HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THAT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

WELL, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS WITH A SPEAKER.

YOU KNOW, I THINK IF THERE ARE SPEAKERS WHO ARE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE RECONSIDER MAKING START AT THE TOP OF THE MEETING, AND THEN IT'S A DISCRETION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO TAKE UP ITEMS, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY PULL THOSE FORWARD INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION.

AND THEY'RE ONLY SPEAKING TO THE MERITS OF RECONSIDERATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

SO THAT WOULD BE ITEM E WARREN ABOUT IRELAND.

I TAKE THAT BACK THAT WAY.

IT'S D ONE AND GENE ONE, THE ONE IN GENE ONE AND WE HAVE NOBODY TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF GENE OR SORRY, D ONE.

SO, CORRECT.

UM, SO WE MIGHT JUST WAIT ON THAT ONE UNTIL THE CASE IS READY TO BE HEARD AND WE CAN MAKE A LOAD CONSIDERATION.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO THAT WOULD, UH, HELL HOW WELL HE HANDLED THAT ONE.

OKAY.

CHAIR, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES.

OKAY, PERFECT.

I THINK I HAVE EVERYTHING BACK THAT WE CAN GO FORWARD.

I SHOULD HAVE THE SPEAKERS CONNECTED THROUGH THAT.

I'M GOING TO CALL ON YOU AGAIN.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

WE ARE GOOD TO GO.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE ARE BACK ON BOARD HERE.

SO, UH, UM, FOLKS WERE OFFERING, THEY MADE THE DETERMINATION THAT WE WOULD, UM, UH, ABOUT, UH, ITEM G, G AS IN GOOD, UH, RUN RELATIVE ONLY TO, UM, THE, UM, UH, WE CONSIDERATION HERE.

SO, UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE MR. BLATT SPEAK TO WHY THAT THE CASE SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A, UH, WE'LL RECONSIDER THAT.

SO IT'S MR. BLATT AVAILABLE? I AM.

OH, BEFORE WE DO THIS, UH, I AM ROBIN.

[00:10:01]

OKAY, HOLD ON.

SORRY, GO AHEAD.

WAYNE.

I'M RECUSING MYSELF FROM THIS CASE AND SO I WILL BE TURNING OFF MY VIDEO.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE ONLY 10 OF MEMBERS ON THIS ITEM WITH, UM, MR. HODGE, UH, MICKEY USING HIMSELF.

ALRIGHT, MR. BLACK, GO AHEAD.

UH, AND AGAIN, WE'RE SPEAKING TO WHY THEY SHOULD GET RECONSIDERATION, NOT THE MERITS OF THE CASE BEYOND THAT.

THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE LAST MONTH, UH, WAS, WERE THE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY DID THE SURVEY WATERLOO AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE.

UM, I LISTENED TO THE HEARING AND I WAS, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE LAT LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OR CONFUSION I SHOULD SAY, AND IT WASN'T YOUR FAULT.

IT WAS, UH, THE PERSON THAT, UH, WAS ENGAGED BY WATERLOO.

UH, THE PROPERTY WAS A LEGALLY APPROVED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH AN ACCESSORY APARTMENT, AND IT WAS FULLY APPROVED, UH, TO BE SUCH AND THE DRAWINGS WERE ALL APPROVED AS WELL.

AND THE ERROR IS SIMPLY WHERE THE SURVEY, UH, WHEN THE FORM SURVEY WAS DONE AND WHEN THEY, IT IN THE LAYOUT THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE CONTRACTOR BY WATERLOO WAS EXACTLY WHERE THE PROPERTY WAS PLACED.

AND THEY JUST EITHER IT'S THE PINS WHEN THEY DID THE SURVEY TO TELL THE CONTRACTOR WHERE TO PUT THE PROPERTY.

UM, BUT IT CLEARLY WASN'T THE CONTRACTOR'S FAULT.

AND THE AIR JUST OCCURRED WHEN IT WAS NOTICED WHEN WE WENT TO GET THE FINAL CFO AND THEY NEEDED A, THEY NEEDED A FINAL SURVEY.

AND THAT'S WHEN WATERLOO DETERMINED THAT THEY HAD MADE A MISTAKE WHERE THEY PUT THE PROPERTY ON THE FORM SURVEY.

AND I MEAN, WE, WE, I GUESS WHAT WASN'T REALLY BROUGHT UP, BUT I DON'T THINK AT ALL, WAS THAT WE DO HAVE A MITIGATION IN PLACE WHEREBY IT'S GOING TO COST US 50 TO $70,000 TO FULLY SPRINKLER THE BUILDING.

AND I BELIEVE CLOSE A NUMBER OF THE OPENINGS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, UH, TO ADD TO THE FIRE PROTECTION.

AND, UM, I MEAN, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT, I MEAN, WE WOULD, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE WE CAN DO.

WE CAN NOT MOVE THE PROPERTY.

WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED US TO CONSIDER AS PART OF THE RECONSIDERATION ON THIS? AND AGAIN, IF WE, IF WE CHOOSE TO RECONSIDER, THEN, THEN YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A FULL CASE.

WELL, I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE, THERE, THERE SEEMED TO BE A CONCERN BY THE NEIGHBOR AS TO WHAT THE PROJECT LOOKED LIKE.

UH, IF THE PROPERTY IS KNOCKED DOWN, THE SAME STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE BUILT PLUS OR MINUS, IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME HEIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME LENGTH ROUGHLY.

SO IT, BECAUSE IT'S A VERY NARROW SITE, THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LEEWAY AS TO WHERE THE PROPERTY CAN BE PUT.

AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE SAME SITE AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE AN EYESORE.

UH, WILLIAM, I MEAN, I WISH IT WAS, I WISH THERE WAS AN ANSWER AS TO HOW YOU CAN FIX IT OTHER THAN MAKING IT MORE AND MORE WIRE WITH, UH, WITH SPRINKLERS, BUT THAT'S REALLY ALL YOU CAN DO, BUT IT WASN'T FULLY, FULLY PERMITTED PROJECT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

UH, SO LET'S, WE'LL CLOSE THE HEARING RELATIVE TO RECONSIDERATION AT THIS STAGE.

SO, UM, HE WAS THERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

UH, YES, WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE SOME BORN TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION.

UH, AND, AND THIS WOULD BE ON THE RECONSIDERATION OF, UH, LEE.

WOULD THAT BE, UH, WE'LL BE HERE OPPOSITION AT THIS POINT.

YES.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR YOU.

TAKE US OUT.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

SO WE'LL REOPEN THE HEARING.

SO THIS IS ONLY

[G-1 C15-2020-0020 Durham Trading Partners XII 1401 E. 3rd Street]

RELATIVE TO US RECONSIDERING THIS CASE.

UH, IT, AND, AND IF WE DO, THEN WE'LL HEAR THIS LATER.

SO, UM, WE HAVE BRYCE.

ALISON, ARE YOU AVAILABLE, UH, ONLINE HERE? YES, I AM AVAILABLE.

SO THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE APPLICANT OR MY POLL RIGHT

[00:15:01]

NOW.

WE'RE WE'RE, WE MAY COME RIGHT BACK TO YOU.

UH, BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY, UM, WHY WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT RECONSIDER THIS VOTE.

OKAY.

UM, YEAH, I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED FROM LAST TIME.

THE DENIAL WAS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE SURVEY WAS DONE IMPROPERLY, AND IT WAS A TERRIBLE MISTAKE, BUT IT WAS A MISTAKE.

THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES THAT IT COULD BEEN CAUGHT EARLY ON, AND IT'S REALLY JUST COMES DOWN TO AN ISSUE OF SAFETY AND BEING TOO CLOSE TO MY PROPERTY TO HANDLE FIRE SAFETY.

SO THE REASON THE DECISION HAVE MADE BEFORE NOTHING HAS CHANGED, THERE'S NO NEW INFORMATION TO BE HEARD IN THIS RECONSIDERATION.

UM, THE FACT OF WHETHER IT'S A DUPLEX OR NOT A DUPLEX WAS NOT WHY THIS WAS DENIED.

AND SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY BEARING OR EFFECT ON IT.

UM, BACK THEN, IT REALLY UNFORTUNATELY WAS, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF OF TWO SURVEYS THAT WERE DONE, THE FIRST PROPER SURVEY WAS DONE CORRECTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE THEN THEY DID ANOTHER ONE THAT THE FORUM SURVEY AND SHOWED A DISCREPANCY AND DECIDED TO GO WITH THAT ONE.

UM, BUT THAT ERROR WAS MADE EARLY ON.

UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE, UH, OF THE, UM, THE OWNER BROUGHT UP BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BROUGHT UP BY THE NEIGHBORS EARLY ON.

IT'S DOCUMENTED IN THE, UH, THE DOCS THAT WERE DISCUSSED LAST TIME.

UM, SO THERE'S REALLY NO NEW INFORMATION.

ALL OF THE, UM, THE, UH, FIRE RETARDANT WALLS AND SPRINKLERS WERE DISCUSSED BEFORE AS WELL.

AND, AND THAT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TO PROTECT MY PROPERTY OR TO DEAL WITH, UH, THE ABILITY OF FIRST RESPONDERS TO BE ABLE TO ENTER THE, THE, UH, THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE HOUSES WELL AND FACELIFT.

AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO INFORMATION HERE THAT I'VE SEEN.

I'VE READ THROUGH ALL THE, UH, THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE WAS PROVIDED.

AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WAS NOT DISCUSSED LAST TIME.

OKAY.

CAN WE SAY SOMETHING? CAUSE I WAS, I WAS NEVER THIS ABOUT MR. BLACK, WE WERE MAKING, UH, SO, UH, W WHERE YOU HAD, YOU HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

IF WE CHOOSE TO HEAR, WE CAN HEAR THIS AGAIN, BUT AT THIS POINT YOU HAD TO SPEAK.

OKAY.

SO, UM, WE HAVE, UM, THE, UH, RECONSIDERATION ON ITEM G.

THIS IS THAT WE TOOK LAST TIME.

IS THERE A MOTION? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

YES, SIR.

I WAS JUST ASKING IF WE WERE GOING TO DO ANY DISCUSSION WHERE WE CAN, WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE NEED TO, RELATIVE TO THE RECONSIDERATION ONLY, NOT THE MIRROR, THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MELISSA TO RECONSIDER, UH, IS THERE A SECOND? ANYONE? OKAY.

UH, SO MR. CHAIR ALL SECOND IT JUST TO GET, JUST TO SEE WHAT THE VOTE, UM, IS.

ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MELISSA AND A SECOND BY ROOM.

ALRIGHT.

SO THIS IS A, UH, MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

UH, JASMINE, DID YOU, DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT? OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, UH, ITEM G ONE BY MELISSA HAWTHORNE, THE SECOND BY RON MCMAHON ROLL.

UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.

THIS IS ONLY TO RECONSIDER THE BOAT.

UM, JESSICA, UM, MELISSA.

OKAY.

I I'M WRITING HERE, SO IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER IF YOU, AND THEY'VE ASKED THAT WE ACTUALLY DO.

YES.

OKAY.

WILLIAM ABSTAIN.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, DON LAYTON DOORWAY, I'M GOING TO SAY YES.

UH, WELL MCDANIEL.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

UH, THEY WILL APPROVE IT.

NO.

OKAY.

VERONICA RIVERA? YES.

UH, YASMIN SMITH.

YES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

LIKE ROLLING OVER ACTUALLY, MR. CHAIR, I RUN THROUGH THE PACKAGE IN DETAIL IS WALL AGAIN TODAY.

I DIDN'T SEE ANY NEW INFORMATION AND I KNOW IT'S A TERRIBLE SITUATION, BUT I REALLY CAN SUPPORT THE VARIANCE.

THIS IS WHERE PROFESSIONAL LIABILITY INSURANCE COMES IN.

HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT UP INTO SURVEYOR.

[00:20:01]

IT'S A HOUSE AND SAFETY ISSUE TO GET FIRST RESPONDERS TO THE BACK.

SO I CANNOT SUPPORT REVISITING IT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO NUMBER, UH, KELLY.

NOPE.

ALRIGHT.

AND MARTHA? YEAH.

YES.

OKAY.

OH, I'M SORRY.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE, UH, THREE YES.

VOTES AND ONE, SORRY, WE'LL HAVE FIVE BOATS AND ONE, TWO VOTES.

SO THAT WOULD NOT PASS TO RECONSIDER THE CASE.

SO THE DETERMINATION TO DENY, UM, CASE THE VARIANCE FROM OUR LAST MEETING STANCE.

OKAY.

SO MOVING AROUND,

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WE'RE GOING TO GO AGAIN TO THE SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION.

UH, THIS WOULD BE ITEM C, C AS IN CAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE IN CATS HERE.

UH, THIS IS, UH, CINDY, UH, UM, AND FORGIVE ME IF I PUT YOUR NAME, YOU SEE WHERE BAILABLE CINDY? HELLO, THIS THE CITY HALL TEXT ALUM LINE.

THIS IS A CITY CITY HALL RIGHT HERE.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET IN CONTACT WITH THE SYDNEY.

CAN YOU REPEAT THE NAME? I THINK WE'VE LOST THEM.

I THINK WE HAVE TO GET IN.

THAT'S WHAT? THIS IS.

CTM CITY HALL.

CAN ANYONE HEAR US? HI.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET NEW CONTACT RIGHT NOW.

YOU SAID YOU'RE TRYING TO, IT'S A SPEAKER NAMED SYDNEY.

YES.

A SYMBOL.

OKAY.

A ONE MOMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANKS.

EXCUSE ME, CINDY.

CINDY.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

SO A FEW TIMES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM, ALRIGHT.

SO, UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE THEM DOWN TO ITEM E

[E-1 C15-2020-0029 Ryan Bollom for John S Peet 1711 Waterston Avenue (Part 1 of 2)]

AS IN EDWARD, AND THIS IS OLIVIA RELEASE AND THIS IS ON A C 15 DASH 2020 DASH TWO NINE 1711 WATER, SOME AVENUES OPPOSITION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL TALK ABOUT TWO THINGS FIRST, FOLLOW THE LIGHT.

AND THEN I'LL LIKE, LOOK AT THE HARDSHIP, EXCUSE ME.

CONSCIOUS AREAS.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT SFC IS 5,700 FEET, HER LOSS AND SF 3,600.

AND, UH, APPLICANT'S CURRENT HOUSE IS, UH, 64 OH ONE, I THINK A SQUARE FEET BLOCK.

THERE'S A FAR GREATER DIFFERENCE.

THEY'RE CLOSER TO THREE.

THEY ONLY LOCK 300 FEET TO BE SHORT THAT THE MESS THAT THREE FOR AS, AS AN ASSET FOR THEY'RE OVER 1800 SQUARE FEET.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THE MESSAGE OF THE SMALL LOSS.

WHEN IN REALITY, THEY HAVE A BIGGER LOT THAT REALLY DOES PUT MORE TWO IN THAT STEP THREE.

THOSE ARE, AND THE SETBACKS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR TO GO FROM THREE AND A HALF FEET ON THE SIDE VERSUS SPICY, WE'LL CREATE SOME INCREDIBLE MY DELEGATIONS, I THINK IN THE SENSE OF TRYING TO GET FIREFIGHTERS BACK THERE AND YOU CAN PUT THEM BACK, THERE WAS ONLY THREE AND A HALF FEET ON THE SIDE.

AND THE NEXT THING IS, THEY ASK YOU FOR THEIR INSTANCE OF FIVE FEET, 10 FEET, SOME THAT , UH, FIVE

[00:25:01]

ADDITIONAL FIVE FEET WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR STRUCTURE BECAUSE THAT, UM, THAT SAID BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S NOT REALLY QUITE SEASONED MARRIOTT.

IT USED TO BE AN ANIMAL SHATTER.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE USING IT.

SO IT DOESN'T, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE IT AND TO SEPARATE OUT.

I THINK IT'S REALLY WHAT THE REALIZE THAT THEY REALLY DO COME, COME TO TWO OR THREE.

SO WHEN I SUBMIT MY APPLICATION AND A COUPLE OF MONTHS, I EXPECT TO COMPLY WITH ENOUGH THREE, AND I WAS SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD ALSO, AS NEIGHBORS, THAT THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS A REASON FOR HARDSHIP.

THEY'RE SAYING THAT WHEN HE WAS SAYING, NOT ALL HOMES ARE NEXT TO HIS HOUSE, WELL IN CLARKSVILLE, YOU ARE IN NEXT WOMEN'S CIRCLE HOUSE.

SO THEY BOUGHT THAT HOUSE KNOWING THAT THEY WOULD GO HOME AND THEY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT KIND OF GEOLOGY.

YOU MAKE THE PURCHASE.

THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE IS ONE HOUSE OF JASON TO THEM, 17, 17, THAT IS OVER THE, UH, THE FIVE, THE FIVE, UM, THAT, THAT ISN'T OVER MY ENGINE.

AND IF I REMEMBER MY HISTORY CORRECTLY, WHEN I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE, LIKE THIS WHOLE AREA WAS OWNED BY SQUIRE JOHNSON AND HIS FAMILY, AND WE SLOWLY SOLD PIECES OFF.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF 1731, I SET BACK OUR LEGISLATORS ON THE DEPARTMENTS THAT APPLIED, BUT THAT HOME HAS BEEN THERE 17, 13 BEFORE 1711.

AND SO I'M ASSUMING WHEN IT WAS BUILT, IT WAS LEGAL.

SO I GO BACK TO THE WHOLE IDEA THAT IF WE WILL USE THE, UH, THE SETBACKS ON THE SIDE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TOTAL OF 6.6 FEET BETWEEN BOTH HOUSES.

I DON'T SEE HOW A FIREFIGHTER WITH THE EQUIPMENT INGRID TO GET BACK THERE.

I THINK THAT THERE'S A VERY, VERY DANGEROUS SITUATION AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

IT WAS 34 WHEN HE FIREFIGHTERS RUN 3.3 IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

THEY OFFER SAYING THAT MANY OF THE MEMBERS NEIGHBORING GREENHOUSES AREA ON THIS HILL, THERE ARE MOM CONFORMING.

WELL, WE'RE NOT CONFORMING BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE WERE BUILT.

I HAVE MY NEIGHBOR, THE SOUTH OF ME TO HAVE HALF THE LOCK THAT THEY HAVE AND ALL THE PARKS IS NONCONFORMING TO SOME EXTENT.

SO I DON'T CONSIDER THAT TO BE A HARDSHIP.

THAT'S A REALLY, I'VE NOT CONSIDERED THE BEAUTIFUL TREES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PROTECTED BY THE CITY TO BE A HARDSHIP, EITHER ASK THEM FOR THE VARIANCE.

SO THEY ESSENTIALLY SAYING, SO THEY COULD BE AFFORDED THE SAME RIGHTS AS PEOPLE AND OTHER PEOPLE BEING THEIR NEIGHBORS WHO KNOW SHE'S OVER BY EIGHT INCHES IN THE, IN THE SETBACK, THAT HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT THERE.

THAT PERSON THAT OWNS IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

UM, SO I WILL SEE THEM HAVING A BILL DENIED ANY OTHER RIGHTS AND ANYBODY ELSE AND BUYS INTO A NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE.

UM, THIS ISN'T, THIS IS A WHOLE LAYER WHERE THERE'S LOTS OF NON-CONFORMANCE STRUCTURES, AND WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THEN IT'S MORE TO THE SPIRIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

HE COMPLETELY FILLING UP A LOT IS HAPPENING TOO MUCH IN CLARKSVILLE.

WALK THE CHARACTER OF THE PARKSVILLE.

AND THAT'S NOT NEW, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL CHARACTER OF CLARKSVILLE ANNOUNCING THE COMPLETE BUILDING ON THAT, ON THAT, UM, VERY, UM, SF THREE, CAUSE THEY WERE NOT COMPARED TO NSF FOUR.

SO I'M ASKING YOU TO HOLD THEM TO THE STANDARDS CAUSE THAT'S WHAT SURROUNDS IT.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? YES.

MELISSA, YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF KNOWN, SIR.

DARN IT.

UM, SO IS THIS HOUSE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE OR IS IT JUST ADJACENT TO STORE OBSTRUCTIONS? UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE TRULY ON THE SIDE OF THE DISTRICT, SO YES IT IS PART OF THAT

[00:30:01]

DISTRICT DO NOT KNOW.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT THE OPPOSITION? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE WILL CLOSE THAT PART OF THE HEARING.

UM, AND, UH, WE'VE HAD ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION TO SPEAK AND MOST, UH, CINDY SCHNUR WAS BECOME AVAILABLE AGAIN LAST AB, TEXAS SHE'S AVAILABLE.

NOPE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO, UH, LET'S MOVE TO OUR

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REGULAR AGENDA.

WE WILL MOVE TO, UH, SIGNS NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THIS IS ITEM C ONE C 16 BY 2020, UM, JOE BOUCHER FOR MARK FROSTBURG, UH, AT, UH, 14 TO THREE ONE TANDEM BOULEVARD.

THIS IS A REQUEST OF A SIGNED BEARINGS FROM BLIND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

AND IF, UH, JOEL WAS AVAILABLE AND, AND MR. SHOULD BE SPEAKING, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE.

UH, DURING THE TIME, AGAIN, THIS TIME, UM, TIMING, THE PRESENTATIONS WE SENT IN A PRESENTATION, CAN WE BRING THAT UP? WE'LL NEED TO BE SURE THAT AB TEXTS ARE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE AT THIS POINT I'M NOT HEARING THEM SPEAKING.

SO IF YOU CAN JUST HOLD THEM FOR A SECOND, ELAINE, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GIVE ANYTHING BACK ON? I AM NOT SURE.

I AM WAITING JUST LIKE YOU GUYS ARE.

OKAY.

SO LET'S JUST HOLD FOR HELLO.

WE'RE NEEDING TO HEAR FROM AB TECH RELATIVE TO, WITH TWO QUESTIONS AT HAND, ONE IS THE ABILITY FOR THE PRESENTATIONS AND TO BE SURE THAT THEY'RE HANDLING TIME, I CAN GO TO THE KITCHEN AND GET A TIMER IF YOU NEED THAT'S IT, THE BREAD IS DONE.

TAKE IT ON.

IF AFRICANS ARE ABLE TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS, IT'S A MOOT POINT.

AGAIN, WE'RE WAITING FOR CITY AB STAFF HERE TO HELP US OUT.

[00:35:59]

DON.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT STOP IS, BUT I SEE A SHARE BUTTON SO I CAN TRY TO SEE IF I CAN BRING UP THE PRESENTATION FOR THE FIRST CASE SINCE YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD WORK.

YEAH.

IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

LET ME TRY THAT.

OKAY.

MR. BOUCHER DIFFICULTY WITH THESE TRYING TIMES, WHEREAS I THINK WE CAN, IF WE COULD GET IT PRESENTED, I CAN, WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT AND WE CAN ALL SEE IT.

HOLD ON.

I DO SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, SITTING HERE SHARING YOUR DESKTOP.

OKAY.

CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT? YES.

OKAY.

JUST TO BE CLEAR, ANYTHING ON THE VIDEO DISPLAY? NO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO, UH, THE SPEAKERS WILL NOT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YES.

YOU CAN JUST TELL ME IF YOU HAVE IT.

LIKE IF YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, JUST TELL ME WHEN TO MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE AND I WILL, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY FIVE SLIDES.

THAT'S RIGHT.

FOR THE SECOND SLIDE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS JOE BOOKER.

I REPRESENTED SOUTHWEST VALUE PARTNERS.

WHO'S THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE TIME TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TODAY.

UM, WE INTEND TO FULLY COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS OF THE PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR SINGULAR SIGN, WHICH IS, IF YOU DON'T MIND GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE SIGN REGULATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

OKAY.

SORRY.

THERE'S A BIT, THERE'S A BIG DELAY.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE Y'ALL SEE WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

WE JUST INSIDE REGULATIONS REALLY PLACE A 12 FOOT HEIGHT NUMBER.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? HOLD ON.

WE'VE GOT A, YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

WAS THAT WRONG AS WELL? ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, MR. BOUCHER.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

UM, THAT LIMIT, IT IS ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE FOR COMMERCIAL SIGNS AS THEY RELATE TO NEIGHBORHOOD FEEDER ARTERIAL STREETS, WHERE THE SPEED IS LOWER TO THE SINUS, CLOSE TO THE DRIVER IS LEGIBLE FOR WAYFINDING.

UM, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTING RELIEF THIS TIME BECAUSE IT'S LOCATED ALONG THE MOPAC EXPRESSWAY AND MOPAC FRONTAGE ROAD, UH, TO ALLOW FOR A 30 FOOT TALL, 284 SQUARE FEET.

UM, WHY WE'RE DOING THAT IS, YOU KNOW, OUR SIGNAGE IS DESIGNED TO ENHANCE THE BIG SITE THAT WE'RE DESIGNING HERE.

UM, IT'S A MIXED USE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, IT NEGATES ANY KIND OF TREE REMOVAL.

IT ALLOWS IMPROVED VISIBILITY DEFINED THAT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS SCULPTURAL.

IT'S ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE.

IT'S VISUALLY ENHANCING.

UM, AND THE GREATER SIGNAGE HEIGHT IS REALLY NECESSARY TO KIND OF ACHIEVE THE THINGS THAT SIGNS ARE SUPPOSED TO ACHIEVE, LIKE SITE IDENTIFICATION, INFORMATION WAYFINDING, UH, HELPING

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PEOPLE KIND OF NAVIGATE.

UM, AND IN THE FOLLOWING EXHIBIT, YOU JUST QUICKLY ILLUSTRATE WHY IT'S APPROPRIATE.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING TO SIGN VARIOUS FOR SOME SORT OF LARGE SCALE MARKETING PURPOSES.

IT'S REALLY BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY AND CONTEXTUAL CONDITIONS.

UM, WE ARE DEVELOPING A SMALL COMMERCIAL FACILITY PLACED UP ON THE ROAD, BUT RATHER THIS BASTARD MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT SET BACK FROM BOAT PATH AND THE SERVICE ROAD, UH, THE DOMINANT SIGN REALLY NEEDS TO BE PLACED AT THE INTERSECTION WAS SHOWN TO PROPERLY BRAND AND PROVIDE THE PROPERLY FINDING, UM, THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE SCALE OF THE ROAD IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE SIGNS AND THE OVERALL SCOPE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, OUR SPECIFIC AND SPECIAL CONDITIONS AT THIS SITE THAT WARRANT A LARGER SIGNAGE SOLUTION AT THE CORNER.

UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING A VARIANCE THAT IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE SHELL STATION, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY.

THE NORTH HAS ASSIGNED THE AREA AND HEIGHT THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.

HE'S GOT TO THE NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE FOUR, FOLLOWING THE EXISTING SIGN WITH STANDARDS.

YOU KNOW, OUR SIGN WOULD REALLY BE RENDERED UNREADABLE AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF ILLUSTRATED IN THE TOP LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE, OF THE SCREEN.

UM, THAT'S A 12 FOOT SIGN AT THIS SCALE OF IT, YOU KNOW, 60 FEET.

UM, IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT, UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT REALLY ERADICATES ABILITY FOR SITE IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION KIND OF POINTING AT THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE TO BE KIND OF AN OBJECT IN SPACE AND IT KIND OF ARCHITECTURALLY APPROPRIATE.

IT'S NOT KIND OF FITTING, YOU KNOW, HITTING YOU WITH SOMETHING THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE OR VISUALLY INTRUSIVE.

UM, AND THEN WE ALSO PUT THAT SAME SIGN IF WE WOULD PUSH IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROAD AND PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.

WE'RE SHOWING THAT IN CONTACT IN THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SCREEN TO SHOW THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, SIZE WISE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SCULPTURAL NATURE, AND IT'S NOT KIND OF ADVERSE TO THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND CONTEXT BY WHICH THIS SIGN IS LOCATED.

THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, SO WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? UH, I SEE KELLY BLOOM.

SO IF THIS IS ABOUT WAYFINDING, UM, GIVEN WHERE THE EXIT RAMPS ON MOPAC ARE, AND THOSE DIRECTIONS YOU'D HAVE TO EXIT NO PACK WELDER BEFORE YOU GOT TO THIS PROPERTY BEFORE YOU WOULDN'T REALLY NEED THE BENEFIT OF THE WAYFINDING SIGN.

SO I DON'T THINK THE PROBLEM YOU'RE SOLVING HERE IS I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SOLVING A PROBLEM HERE.

I DON'T REALLY SEE THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE GIVEN HOW PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY DRIVE IN THE AREA.

OKAY.

UH, MELISSA IN THE WRONG.

SO YOUR PROPERTY SITS ON TANDEM AND THERE ARE LOTS THAT HAVE, BUT MOPAC AND THE EXHIBITS THAT I SEE CLEARLY SHOW TANDEM OUTLINED.

WHAT ARE THE OTHER KNOBS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO MOPAC? SORRY, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE, UM, SO WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR, UM, PACKET, THE LOT IS THERE ARE SEVERAL LOTS, AND THERE LOOKS LIKE THREE LOTS OF JASON TO HAVE THE TREES INTO PROGRESS.

LOOK AT THE OUTLINE OF YOUR SUBMITTAL.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ADJACENT TO MOPAC.

CAN YOU TELL US MELISSA, WHICH SHEET YOU'RE LOOKING AT? ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SCENE? ONE, TWO, I'M LOOKING AT C ONE EIGHT, EIGHT OR .

I MEAN, THERE'S LOTS, THERE'S THE NO STOP DRIVE.

HELLO.

YOU KNOW, MOPAC AND THEN THERE'S THIS NO STOP DRIVE.

AND THEN TANDEM IS IT IS RUNNING HER BUTT NAKED.

YEAH.

ALL OF, ALL OF THE LOTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, BUT I WOULD TRY TO ALL THE LOTS ARE PART OF THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THE LOT LUNA SIGN IS, UH, IS ADJACENT TO MOPAC SERVICE IN TANDEM BOULEVARD FOR TOTAL LOSS AS PART OF

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A MASTER BEDROOM.

SO WHAT GOES ON THERE? OTHER LOTS? UM, IT WILL BE CURRENTLY, THERE'S AN OFFICE BUILDING LOCATED ON A BLOCK, WHICH IS UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER.

UM, THE OTHER, THE OTHER LOTS WILL EVENTUALLY BE DEVELOPED INTO OUR MACY'S OFFICE, UH, WITHIN RETAIL.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE TANDEM SLASH DIGITAL SLASH COMPACT SLASH HP ENTERPRISE PROPERTY, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

IT IS.

SO I WORKED AT THAT SIDE FOR A WHILE.

I DON'T RECALL ANY KIND OF WAYFINDING PROBLEM WITH THE EXISTING SIGNAGE OR LOCATIONS, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE.

SO, SO YOU'LL HAVE TO PARDON ME, BUT THE MAIN ACCESS POINTS WHERE PEOPLE GET TO THAT SITE WERE VIA WELLS BRANCH PARKWAY.

AND, UH, AND THEN THE, AND THEN WHATEVER THE NAME OF THAT NONSTOP LOOP OR NONSTOP PARKWAY THAT WENT BY THE EMPLOYEE, PARKING LOTS, I'M ASSUMING YOU GUYS ARE USING THOSE EXISTING ACCESS POINTS.

YOU'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT ENTRANCES TO THE PROPERTY THAT WILL ALL NEED SIGNAGE.

AND I JUST DON'T RECALL ANY KIND OF WAYFINDING ISSUE, UM, ON THE SITE PRIOR.

SO MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN WHY THAT IS.

AND, AND THE REASON WHY IS, IS THERE'S A LIGHT AT MERRILL TOWN AND, UM, AND THE MOPAC SERVICE ROAD WHERE CARS ARE ALREADY SLOWING DOWN.

SO AT THE INTERSECTION OF NONSTOP, UM, THE SIGN THERE THAT IS, I BELIEVE IN COMPLIANCE WITH EXISTING REGULATIONS, UM, IS, IS SUFFICIENT TO GET PEOPLE TO TURN IN THERE.

NOW, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO TURN INTO MERRILL TOWN AND THEN COMING, WHAT IS CURRENTLY ENTRANCE TO, TO THE SITE, I GUESS YOU COULD PUT ANOTHER SIGN SOMEWHERE, BUT I'M STILL NOT SURE WHY, UM, THE EXISTING REGULATION WOULDN'T BE SUFFICIENT.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SUPPORT THE REG THE VARIANTS, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR REASONS WHY CAN'T WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE THE SOUTHERN MORE DRIVE THE CAMDEN BOULEVARD SITE, UH, AND DRIVE MORE AS THE MAIN ENTRANCE INTO THE, INTO THE CAMPUS FOR THE FUTURE AND ACCORDING TO OUR MASTER PLAN.

UM, SO OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO PUT THE DOMINANT DOMINANT SITE AND DOMINANT SIDE AT THAT CORNER.

WAIT, SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO COMMENT ON TANDEM.

WE'RE TRYING TO COME IN OUT ON TANDEM, OFF OF THE MOPAC.

OKAY.

SO THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO COMMENT ON TANDEM OFF OF IT WE'LL PACK, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGN THERE THAT IS, THAT IS IN COMPLIANCE THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO CREATE A PROBLEM.

UM, AND, AND I GUESS I'M JUST NOT, NOT CLEAR WHY THE, WHY THE EXISTING LOCATION AND SCALE OF THE SIGNAGE IS INSUFFICIENT.

IT DEFINITELY FEEDS INTO THE LANDSCAPE.

WE CAN FIND IT, THAT SIDE WAS VERY, VERY VISIBLE AT ALL, ESPECIALLY AT THE SPEED THAT YOU CAN GO ON MOPAC SERVICE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MICHAEL, TWO THINGS I'D LIKE TO ECHO KELLY'S COMMENTS, NUMBER ONE, PEOPLE NOT MOPAC, YOU KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE A SIGN THAT IS WAY OUT THERE BEFORE THAT EXIT.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE RIGHT PAST IT.

UH, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO LIVE AROUND ANYHOW.

AND AS RAHM SAYS, THERE'S SEVERAL ALTERNATE, ALTERNATE WAYS OF GETTING ONTO THAT PROPERTY.

THE OTHER SIGN THAT, UH, THE EXISTING SIGNAGE CORNER MERITON DRIVING MOPAC SERVICE AND BURNETT ROAD HAS BEEN THERE SINCE THEY'VE DONE BURNETT ROAD.

OKAY.

SO, UM, I MEAN BACK WHEN, UH, 3M USED TO HAVE ME OUT THERE THAT, THAT, UH, SHELL SHELL STATION HAS BEEN THERE.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO COMPARE THAT TO THE OTHER ONE, BUT, UH, ALSO WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR IS HE'S ASKING FOR A SIGN.

IT IS FOUR TIMES, AND THIS IS A SCENIC ROADWAY.

SO I NORMALLY DON'T, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M VERY PARTICULARLY ON SCENIC ROADWAYS, EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T SEE MOPAC AS BEING SCENIC, YOU KNOW, AND THAT CAN BE ARGUED DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHILE YOU'RE DRIVING.

BUT, UM, HE'S ASKING FOR THAT SIGN, THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT ALMOST FOUR TIMES 10 SQUARE FEET, SHORT OF FOUR TIMES OF WHAT'S ALLOWED WHAT'S THERE.

AND THEN HE WANTS TO GO DOUBLE THE HEIGHT ON IT.

I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.

AND I CAN'T SUPPORT IT IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT IF THEY'RE COMING DOWN MOPAC, THEY'RE NOT, THEY, THEY PASS THAT EXIT.

IT'S ALREADY TOO LATE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT.

SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING,

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JUST PIGGYBACK SOME OF THAT.

SO A LOT OF THE RENDERINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE PRESENTATION ARE THE VIEW FOR MOPAC AT THAT IT, WITH THE OTHER SIGNS ALONG THE ACCESS ROAD, THEY'RE NOT VERY BIG EXCEPT THAT THAT FELLOW SIGN WITH MELISSA.

SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

YOU WERE VERY ELOQUENT IN IT.

I THINK THAT, UM, BEING THAT IT'S A MASTER PLAN AND THAT I CAN ONLY SEE THE ONE STRUCTURE AND NOT ANY OF THE STRUCTURES, OTHER STRUCTURES, OF COURSE, OTHER SIGNAGE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, WITHIN YOUR MASTER PLAN THAT I I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT.

UM, YOU DID ARTICULATE IT VERY WELL.

AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MIXED USE BUILDING OR AN OFFICE BUILDING OR WHATEVER IT IS UP ON THAT FRONTAGE ROAD, YOU MIGHT HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A REALLY GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR A WALL SIGN THERE THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE TALLER THAN 30 FEET.

SO I ACTUALLY FEEL LIKE WITHOUT THE INFORMATION ON THE MASTER PLAN, THAT I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE, AND IF YOU HAD THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE, I WOULD CONSIDER POSTPONING THE CASE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT.

BUT AT THIS POINT I PROBABLY COULDN'T SUPPORT THE VARIANCE ON THE INFORMATION.

YEAH.

AND, AND, AND AGAIN, TO JUST PIGGY BACK SOME OF THE BACK TEETH FOR ME TO REALLY MAKE A TERMINATION ON THIS, I WOULD WANT TO SEE A VIEW OF THAT CORNER, UM, FROM THE SERVICE ROADS.

UM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THAT'S REALLY THE TELLING PART.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FROM THE SERVICE ROAD ON SOUTHBOUND SIDES.

UH, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT IN THE, UM, FINDINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS EXISTING TREES, IT'S WHERE TO GO IN THE FACILITIES.

UH, BUT IT WOULDN'T, THEY WOULDN'T OBSCURE THE SIGNAGE HERE.

I DON'T THINK AT ALL.

SO LIKE, I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST A DESIRE TO BE, UM, BIGGER THAN WHAT THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS.

SO MELISSA, WAS THAT A MOTION IF, UM, IF THE APPLICANT HAD INFORMATION ON THE MASTER PLAN ON WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE ADJACENT TO THE FRONTAGE, I'D BE WILLING TO MAKE A POSTPONEMENT.

IF, IF NOT, I JUST THINK IT'S A LITTLE TOO EARLY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YES.

MA'AM I BELIEVE WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT SQUARE AREA YOU WERE ASKING FOR? YOU LET HER IN 84 SQUARE FEET, YOU SAID 284, CORRECT.

DID YOU SAY 284? YES, MA'AM THAT'S.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S NOT, WHAT'S ON YOUR APPLICATION.

IT'S JUST 204.

OKAY.

AND IF I CAN CONTINUE, UM, IN THE SAME SLIDE, I KNOW IT SAYS IT'S AT 30 FEET INSTEAD OF SQUARE FEET.

IS IT ALSO REFLECTING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU SEE? AND IF SO, IS IT THE TWO 84 YOU'RE SAYING NOW, OR THE TWO 47.87? I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

THE IMAGE ON THE SCREENING SCALE ON THE APPLICATION AND APPLICATION MIGHT BE MORE SPECIFIC.

OKAY.

SO THAT WOULD BE TWO, TWO 48, 48.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE.

SO THE DEMONSTRATION ON THAT LAST SLIDE IS THE SIZE, THE, UH, 30 FEET INSTEAD OF 12 FEET.

AND THE AREA CHARACTER BE TWO 47.87, RATHER THAN AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT IS CORRECT.

INFORMATION WAS SHOWING YOU NEED TO TURN OFF YOUR MICROPHONE IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING.

SO, BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LOT

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OF ECHOING.

OKAY, MICHAEL, GO AHEAD.

THEY'RE NOT IN SERVICE, AWESOME PROBLEMS SO I CAN COUNT THE VOTES ALREADY.

AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BUY THE DAPPER ONCE THEY DEVELOP THOSE LOTS, BECAUSE THAT'S ALSO PART OF THEIR MASTER PLAN.

I'D RATHER WAIT UNTIL THAT COMES AND JUST I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION TO DENY BY MICHAEL BYRNE.

OLIN.

WE HAVE A SECOND WRONG.

IS THAT A SECOND? IT IS, YES.

ALRIGHT.

WE HAVE A SECOND BY NICKNAME, DANIEL.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, WAS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY.

UH, AND IF WE DIDN'T DO SO ALREADY, WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, SO, UM, WE HAVE A MOTION OR BY MICHAEL GRANOLA TO DENY A SECOND BY RON MCDANIEL.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLE, JESSICA.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

UM, MELISSA? NO.

ALRIGHT.

WILLIAM? YES.

UM, DON, UH, YES.

UH, ROM YES.

ALRIGHT.

UH, DARRYL APPROVE IT.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

UH, VERONICA RIVER.

YES.

YES.

UH RASMAN YES.

MA'AM.

YOU NEED TO TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE PLEASE.

SORRY, I'M HEADED.

OKAY.

SORRY.

I'M HAVING LAG TIME.

I'M NOT AFRAID.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

KELLY BOON? YES.

ALRIGHT.

AND MARTHA? YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, WE HAVE, UM, CAN, UH, AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO DENY AND ONE VOTE AGAINST, UH, SO THE MOTION OR THE REQUEST FOR THE VARIANCES DO NOT.

ALRIGHT.

CAN I JUST MAKE SURE THAT MY VOTE WAS YES, IT WAS.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, SO, UH, THAT'S ITEM C ONE, UH, LET'S MOVE

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ON TO ITEM D.

THIS IS A SIGN RECONSIDERATION.

UM, AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, SO I GUESS THE FIRST, THE FIRST QUESTION FOR US, DID WE ALREADY, UM, JUST MAKE THE DECISION TO RECONSIDER THIS ONLY Y'ALL HAVE NOT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST DETERMINATION.

SO, UH, SO IF WE COULD GET, UH, UH, MATT WILSON, UH, TO JUST SPEAK TO WHY, UM, IT SHOULD BE RECONSIDERED.

ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S UH, THIS IS MATT WILSON THINKING COMMISSIONERS.

UH, SO THE REASONING FOR THE RECONSIDERATION OF THE CASE REQUEST TONIGHT IS DUE TO A NEW INTRO PROVIDED BY THE OWNER.

UH, NUMBER ONE, BEING THAT, UM, THE TWO ELEVATIONS THAT WERE VIEWED LAST TIME, UM, THE NUMBER TWO PRIORITY OF THE TWO ELEVATIONS WAS APPROVED AND WE'D REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION, UH, TO IF THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE ONE SIGN GRANTED FOR IT TO BE THE WEST VERSUS THE SOUTH.

UH, AND NUMBER TWO, UM, WE BRING TONIGHT, UH, VISIBILITY PHOTOS FROM THE NORTH AND SOUTH ON BURNET ROAD TO HELP BETTER EXPLAIN THE REQUEST FOR TWO SIGNS.

SO THAT'S THE REQUEST TONIGHT FOR RECONSIDERATION IS, UH, NUMBER ONE FOR THE WEST ELEVATION TO BE CONCERNED PRIMARY, UH, AND NUMBER TWO FOR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW THE PHOTOS, TO CONSIDER THE IMPORTANCE FOR IT TO THE A WALL SIGNS.

OKAY.

AND THOSE WERE THE, UM, THE TWO PHOTOGRAPHS, ONE SHOWING LOOKING OVER THE TOP AT SEVEN 11 AND MCDONALD'S AND THE OTHER ONE LOOKING OVER SHARPE BASING THEIR LITTLE STRIP CENTER.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS NOT OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, HEARING RELATIVE TO THE RECONSIDERATION.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MICHAEL GRANOLA,

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MR. CHAIR? I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT LOOKING AT OUR, OUR DECISION ON JUNE 8TH, WE DID GRANT HIM THE SOUTH BUILDING ELEVATION AND WE DENIED THE WEST.

HE'S NOW TELLING US THAT THEY WOULD PREFER IF THEY ONLY GOING TO HAVE ONE THAT THEY HAVE THE WEST CORRECT.

AND NOT REALLY THE SOUTH.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, AND I'M ALL FOR GIVING THEM THAT ONE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS OUT IN THE DOMAIN THE OTHER DAY WITH MY MASK ON, OF COURSE, BUT I WAS OUT THERE.

AND, UH, SO IF THEY WANT TO ALTERNATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REVISIT AND OPEN UP, UH, RECONSIDER THE CASE I'M FOLLOWING WITH GIVING HIM THE WEST ELEVATION, BUT I'LL STATE MY POINT RIGHT NOW.

I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO GO MUCH FURTHER THAN THAT ON SUPPORT IN ANYTHING ELSE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

AND MELISSA, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING I'LL SECOND.

OKAY.

SO WHAT WAS THAT EMOTION MICHAEL SAID TO RECONSIDER IT? YES, SIR.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THEM THE WEST ONE AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY MICHAEL TO RECONSIDER AND A SECOND BY MELISSA WRITING ALL THIS STUFF DOWN.

OKAY.

SO LET'S, THIS IS JUST TO RECONSIDER D ONE AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY DO THAT RIGHT AFTER THIS, IF IT PASSES.

UH, JESSICA.

YES.

ALRIGHT, MELISSA.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, WILLIAM HODGE? YES.

I'M LATE MOREL.

YES.

RON MCDANIEL.

SORRY.

I WAS ON MUTE.

SURE.

OKAY.

UH, DARRYL PRUITT.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

UH, VERONICA? YES.

ALRIGHT.

UH, YOU ASKED ME YES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MICHAEL.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

KELLY.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

AND MARTHA, OKAY.

MARTHA IS NOT AVAILABLE, BUT THAT IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN THAT'S 10 VOTES.

SO THAT'S ENOUGH TO, UM, UM, DIESEL RECONSIDERATION.

ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL OPEN THE COUPLE OF CLEARING BACK UP.

THIS IS ON THE ONE, UH, TO THE MERITS OF OUR RECONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS MATT WILSON.

AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECONSIDER THE CASE VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

UM, AND, AND I'LL JUST STATE AGAIN ON THE RECORD THAT, UM, FOR VISIBILITY'S SAKE, THE WEST ELEVATION IS THE FIRST PRIORITY, UH, OF THE TWO WALL SIGNS THAT WE, UH, ASKED FOR CONSIDERATION OF BOTH SIGNS TONIGHT.

UM, THE VISIBILITY STUDY SHOWED THAT, UM, BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE GOING TO BE HEAVILY USED TO FIND THIS HOTEL DEPENDING UPON WHERE TRAFFIC'S COMING FROM, WHERE YOU'RE TRAVELING FROM.

AND, UH, WE FEEL THAT IT IS IMPORTANT, UH, SPECIFICALLY SINCE A MONUMENT IS NOT APPROVED, UH, FOR THIS AREA.

AND THERE ARE EASEMENTS ALONG THE FRONT THAT DO NOT ALLOW FOR A FREESTANDING MONUMENT, UH, THAT THE TWO WALL SIGNS WOULD BE CRUCIAL FOR MOTORISTS SAFELY FINDING THE HOTEL, UH, SPECIFICALLY THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS, BEING A HOTEL WHERE THERE'S NEW CUSTOMERS DAILY ATTEMPTING TO FIND THE HOTEL SAFELY, UH, SIGNAGE IS IMPORTANT.

UH, SO WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR BASIC IDENTIFICATION TO, UH, CONFIRM ARRIVAL AT THE DESTINATION.

AND, UM, THE, AGAIN, THE WEST BEING THE FIRST AND THE SOUTH BEING THE SECOND, UH, THAT THE TWO PHOTOS PROVIDED, UM, SHOW, UM, WHAT WOULD BE COMING FROM, UH, THE DOMAIN OR FROM THE NORTH AND SHOWING THAT WEST ELEVATION SIGN A AND THE SECOND ONE BEING THE SOUTH, IF YOU WERE TO TAKE A BREAKER LANE OFF OF MOPAC AND THEN TRAVEL DOWN AND TURN NORTH TO FIND THE HOTEL, UH, COMING FROM THE SOUTH.

SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE TWO PERSPECTIVES SHOW, UH, IN ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORING HOTELS RESIDENTS IN THE HOME TO HAVE, UM, TO WALL SIGNS AS WELL, UH, FOR IDENTIFICATION THAT ARE JUST LOCATED JUST TO THE NORTH.

UH, SO THAT'S THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS THOSE TWO SIGNS AND I'D BE HAPPY TO CHANGE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY.

UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT.

OKAY.

WELL, I HAVE ONE, SO, UH, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT.

IT SOUNDED LIKE

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THAT YOU SAID THAT IF WE WERE GOING TO, AS WE DID LAST TIME APPROVE ONLY ONE SIGN THAT YOU WOULD PREFER THE WEST-FACING SIGN TO BE THE ONE THAT WE WOULD APPROVE.

THAT IS CORRECT.

YEAH.

THE WEST FACE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT VISIBLE FROM BOTH SIDES.

UM, NOT NECESSARILY AS MUCH COMING FROM THE SOUTH, BUT THAT GIVES US THE BEST CHANCE IF THERE WAS ONLY TO BE ONE A PRAIRIE, JUST BECAUSE OF THE SET BACK INVOLVED BEING AROUND 500 FEET FROM BURNET ROAD.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

WAS THERE A MICHAEL, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION MR. CHAIR, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE WEST SIDE.

UH, ONE THING ABOUT WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED ALSO IN THAT DOMAIN AREAS IS THE SITE SIGNAGE IS VERY GOOD.

THE OTHER HOTELS THAT WERE THERE, THAT WAS PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN AND THEY WERE APPROVED BEFORE THE SIGN, THIS, UH, THIS NEW ORDINANCE WAS UPDATED.

UH, SO, BUT, UH, UH, I THINK, UH, MOVING IT TO THE WEST, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO IMPROVE.

UH, JUST BASICALLY WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT IT IS YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE A SIGN, THE SIGN ONLY ON THE WEST.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND DARYL? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ONLY APPROVING SIGNED, IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE 217 SQUARE FEET IS WHAT THEY'VE ASKED FOR.

IS THAT RIGHT, MICHAEL? CORRECT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WEST ONLY WITH THE STATED SIZE THAT IS IN THE APPLICATION AND THE SECOND BY DARYL, REALLY ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WAS SORRY, I WAS NOT HERE LAST MONTH.

UNFORTUNATELY, PROMISE I WASN'T HAVING ANY FUN.

UM, SO THE DOMAIN ACTUALLY IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE FEW PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT ZONED L I PDA, AND IT ACTUALLY HAS ITS OWN SIGNED REGULATIONS.

AND THEY, THE UNO SIGNS THAT ARE OVERLAID IN THIS AREA, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IS MADE FOR STUDENTS AND WALKING AND, AND PEOPLE ON THE STREET.

AND THIS WHOLE AREA KIND OF GOT THE SIGN REGULATIONS PUT ON TOP OF IT.

AND IT'S 1400 ACRES AND IT'S 1400 ACRES PROBABLY BEFORE ITS TIME, BECAUSE IT'S NOT AS DENSE AND IT'S WALKABLE AS SAY CAMPUS AREA.

SO I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING BOTH THE SOUTH AND THE WEST SIDE, BUT I WILL BE WITH THE MAJORITY OF THEM.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, JESSICA.

I AGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER HAWTHORNE, THIS NEW HOTEL, I MEAN, THESE HOTELS ARE POPPING UP ALL AROUND THERE BECAUSE OF THE NEW STADIUM AND THIS PARTICULAR HOTEL IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE STADIUM.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE PLEAT.

YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE IT FROM THE PARKING.

HONESTLY, I KNOW IT ORIGINALLY THAT'D BE TO GO WITH ONE SIGN, BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN OKAY WITH BOTH SIDES.

THAT AREA IS GOING TO CHANGE VERY, VERY QUICKLY.

UM, PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANT TO BE STAYING THERE AND IT SHOULD BE EASIER FOR THEM TO FIND IT.

IF BOARD MEMBER OF OUR NOLAN IS OPEN TO IT, I'D BE OKAY WITH THOSE SCIENCES DEPENDING ON HOW EVERYONE ELSE FEELS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, MICHAEL, I SEE YOU WAVING YOUR HAND THERE.

AND ACTUALLY, UH, COMMISSIONER CALLING UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES I WOULD BE, WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO KEEP THEM LIE.

THAT PART OF BURNETT IS GETTING DEVELOPED LIKE CRAZY.

UM, AND IT THERE'S SIGNS POPPING UP LEFT AND RIGHT.

AND WITH THE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING FROM THE STADIUM AND IT'S, IT'S OVER HERE IN MY NECK OF THE WOODS SORTA IT'S, IT'S JUST ALL SIGNAGES IS GOING OUT ON SCENIC ROADWAYS AND IN AREAS WHERE WE'RE GETTING SO MUCH LIGHT POLLUTION, UM, I CAN WALK OUT ON MY DRIVEWAY AND I CAN'T SEE THE STARS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH LIGHT OUT.

AND SO I'M TRYING TO GIVE PEOPLE SOMETHING, SOME RELIEF, BUT NOT JUST, JUST GIVE UP, PUT EVERYTHING OUT THERE.

THE OTHER THING IS, IS WITH MODERN DAY TECHNOLOGY AND AN IPHONE, OR EVEN MY ANTIQUE SAMSUNG FIVE THAT I HAVE, UH, I CAN GPS THE PLACE AND GET THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M STANDING ON IT.

SO I'M SORRY.

I, I DON'T WANT TO ACCEPT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AT THIS STAGE.

AND, UM, IS, UH, LESS THAN A YEAR AGO, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED, UM, UH, CHANGES TO THE,

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YOU KNOW, UM, ORDINANCE AND, AND IN PARTICULAR ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, TO BE IN NORTH BERGEN GATEWAY AND OTHER AREAS OF TOWN, THE SAME REGULATIONS THAT WERE BEING USED AT THE UNIVERSITY WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE IN WRITING THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEY ARE RECTIFYING THAT AT, UH, COACH AND ORDINANCES RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT ONLY HAS TO DO WITH ILLUMINATION.

IT HAS, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UM, UH, SIZE OF SIGNS AND OTHER RESTRICTIONS THAT YOU KNOW, WOULD PUT ON THERE.

SO, UM, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UH, YEAH, VERONICA, LET ME THEN ASK THE APPLICANT.

UM, DO YOU NEED TO HAVE BOTH SIGNS WITH HER? UM, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A WEST SIGN LIT.

WHAT DO YOU NEED THE SOUTH SIDE? THIS IS MATT WILSON, AGAIN, APPLICANT.

UM, WE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE TWO SIGNS IF IT COMES TO A POINT TO A POINT WHERE ONE OF THEM CANNOT BE ELIMINATED, THAT WOULD BE BETTER OFF BECAUSE WE FEEL THAT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE TO SEE THOSE ELEVATIONS TO GET TO THE HOTEL.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS, MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS THAT ARE FINDING THIS BUSINESS ARE AFTER IT'S DARK.

UM, SO ILLUMINATION IS KEY FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE BUSINESS FOR PEOPLE FINDING THE HOTEL SPECIFICALLY SENT IT'S SET SO FAR OFF WHERE SOME OF THE OTHER HOTELS ARE RIGHT UP AGAINST BURNET ROAD, AND IT'S HARD TO MISS THEM.

WE'RE BEHIND A PRETTY LARGE OFFICE BUILDING, UH, WITH COMPETING TREES AND NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS.

SO, UH, THE FACT THAT, UM, THE BUILDING SETBACK, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THOSE TWO SIGNS TO BE SEEN.

OKAY.

YEAH, MICHAEL, THAT I CAN, I CAN GO FOR WITH GIVING THEM THE TWO SIGNS HAVING THE WEST SIDE.

UM, I THINK THAT'S SPLITTING THE BABY A COMPROMISE VERONICA, AND I CAN SUPPORT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT AMENDMENT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT.

OKAY.

SO, SO WE HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO ALLOW BOTH SIGNS WITH THE SOUTH SIGN, NOT BEING ELIMINATED, THE WEST SIDE, BEING ELIMINATED, AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY DARYL DURAL.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? UM, I MEAN, I GUESS SO, UM, I'M LOOKING AT THIS WEST ELEVATION VERSUS THE SOUTH HERE, AND I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEAK UP DARYL.

I'M SORRY.

I THINK, I THINK, I THINK MICHAEL'S CONCERN ABOUT THE LIGHT POLLUTION AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WHILE IT MAY, PEOPLE ARE NOW CONCERNED ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, REGULATIONS, THE FACT IS CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, IMPOSE THOSE ON, ON THE, ON THESE TRACKS OF LAND.

SO I'M NOT, I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY THINKS THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.

UM, AS LONG AS THE SOUTH ELEVATION IS NOT ILLUMINATED.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO, UH, DO THE MOTION TO ARREST ONLY, UH, THAT SIGNS ON WEST AND SOUTH WAS, UM, SOUTH NOT ILLUMINATED.

AND, AND HONESTLY, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, ON, UM, THE PRESENTATION WITH, UH, UH, THE SOUTH ELEVATION, AND YOU'RE SEEING THAT SOUTH SIGN, I THINK IT'S GOING TO GET MISSED MOST OF THE TIME TO BE HONEST, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY, MY OPINION ABOUT THAT.

UH, AND, AND AGAIN, IT SORT OF FLIES IN THE FACE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HONOR, YOU KNOW, SEWING REGULATIONS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE SHITTY OR NOT, YOU KNOW, UM, IF PEOPLE COME BACK TO US AND ASK, YOU KNOW, ABOUT SCENIC ROADWAYS, WELL, I DON'T THINK IT SCENIC, YOU KNOW, SO ALL BLAH, BLAH.

SO ANYWAY, I JUST, I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S A GOOD CALL, BUT, UH, UH, BUT THAT IS THE MOTION.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ALLOW SIGNS ON BOTH THE WEST AND THE SOUTH WITH THE, UM, SOUTH SIDE, NOT BEING ELIMINATED.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND CALL THE ROLL.

YOU WANT THE FINDINGS FIRST SEMESTER? I'M SORRY.

YES, THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THE VARIANCE IS NECESSARY BECAUSE OF STRICT ENFORCEMENT OF ARTICLE PROHIBITS ANY REASONABLE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SIGNS ON THE SITE.

CONSIDERING THE UNIQUE FEATURES OF THE SITE, SUCH AS DIMENSION, LANDSCAPING,

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TYPOGRAPHY, BECAUSE THE PROPOSED SIGNS AT THE LOCATION ARE IN LINE WITH THE EXISTING SIGNS IN THE NEIGHBOR OF BUSINESSES AND ARE APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING.

AND THEN I'M GOING TO SKIP THE, OR, OR, AND JUST GO TO GRANTING THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT PROVIDE THE APPLICANT WITH A SPECIAL, SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, NOT ENJOYED BY OTHER SIMILARLY SITUATED OR POTENTIALLY SIMILARLY SITUATED BECAUSE DUE TO THE NATURE, DUE TO THE NATURE OF THIS HOTEL BUSINESS, THERE WOULD BE CUSTOMERS LOOKING FOR THIS LOCATION AT NIGHT.

I'M JUST GONNA LET IT GO WITHOUT ILLUMINATED SIGNS AND NO MONUMENT PYLON.

IT WOULD BE VERY HARD TO FIND THE LOCATION.

THIS IS A GROWING AREA NEAR THE DOMAIN.

IT WOULD BENEFIT ALL TO SEE THE LOCATION.

OKAY.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN CYCLE? OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, SO WE HAD THE FINDINGS, WE HAD MOTION TO APPROVE AS I SPOKE.

IT HAD A SECOND BITE DARRYL.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE ROLE, JESSICA.

YES.

OKAY, MELISSA? YES.

WILLIAM.

YES.

I WILL GIVE A RELUCTANT.

YES, I'M WRONG.

AND EVEN MORE RELUCTANT.

YES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, DARRYL.

A RELUCTANT, YES.

OKAY.

UH, VERONICA? YES.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

UH, YES, MA'AM RELUCTANT.

YES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

MICHAEL? YES.

OKAY.

KELLY? NO.

ALRIGHT.

AND MARTHA? YES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

YOU GOT YOUR VARIANCE, UH, RECONSIDERATION.

UM, SO CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

LET'S MOVE

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