Jul 17, 2020 Design

IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE BOWS ON THE PHONE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT COMMISSIONER FRAIL.

ARE YOU THERE? AUDIO IS NOW WORKING.

OKAY, SO MARK DOWN FRAIL AND COLEMAN.

TO NEW BUSINESS ITEM ONE, A COURTESY BRIEFING OF THE MASTER PLAN FOR JOHN JR.

UH, THANK YOU.

WE'LL GO

[1A. Courtesy briefing of the Master Plan for John Trevino Jr. Metro Park at Morrison Ranch (Charles Mabry, COA and David Malda, GGN)]

JR.

METRO PARK AT MORRISON RANCH.

YES, YES.

CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? YES.

SLIDE FOUR, YOU CAN SEE SOME IMAGES OF ENGAGEMENT HERE.

THIS IS CHARLES MAY I AGREE WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

AND I'M JOINED ON THE PHONE BY DAVID MALDA.

HE'S A PRINCIPAL WITH GGN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE A BRIEFING ON THE JOHN TREVINO JR.

METRO PARK AT MORRISON RANCH MASTER PLAN, AND WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

AND AT THIS POINT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO DAVID, TO RUN THROUGH A PRESENTATION, HIGHLIGHTING THE PLANNING PROCESS AND THE DRAFT MASTER PLAN DEVELOPED FOR JOHN TREVINO, METRO PARK.

GREAT.

THANKS CHARLES.

THIS IS DAVID MALTA.

UM, IF WE ADVANCE THE SLIDE TWO, WE CAN BEGIN.

SO THE PARK IN CONTEXT, IT WAS PURCHASED IN 2003 BY PART AND NAMED IN 2006 AFTER JOHN TREVINO, JR.

UH, WHO WAS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT PERSON FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND WHOSE LEGACY HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN AT THE CORE OF OUR THINKING AND APPROACH TO THIS PROJECT, WHICH I'LL TRY TO UNPACK IT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION.

THE, UM, SITE ITSELF IS ABOUT 330 ACRES OF FORMER RANCH LAND, 5,000 FEET ALONG THE COLORADO RIVER, AND SIGNIFICANTLY TWO THIRDS OF THIS SITE FITS WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN, BECAUSE IT'S A PART OF THE RIVER BASIN.

AND THAT HAD A LOT OF IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN LASTLY, NOTING THE IT'S LOCATION BETWEEN FM NINE 69, UM, OR RATHER AT FM NINE 69, BETWEEN ONE 83 AND ONE 30 IS IN AN AREA THAT'S HISTORICALLY BEEN UNDERSERVED BY PARKS.

AND, UM, THAT WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT MOTIVATOR FOR THE KIND OF PLACE THIS WAS AND THE KIND OF ENGAGEMENT THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND THE PROJECT.

UH, SO IF YOU GO TO SLIDE THREE, THE MASTER PLAN SCHEDULE, YOU SHOULD SEE ENGAGEMENT WAS A PART OF EVERY STEP ALONG THE WAY, RATHER THAN JUMPING RIGHT INTO SAYING, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE HERE? WE TRIED TO DO A LOT OF UNPACKING OF THE SITE ITSELF IN GATHERING STORIES ABOUT JOHN TREVINO JR THE COMMUNITY AND PRIORITIES SO THAT WE COULD DEVELOP A SHARED VISION AND VALUES, UH, THAT COULD SHAPE THEM FURTHER DECISIONS.

THIS IS A SITE THAT MOST PEOPLE WEREN'T VERY FAMILIAR WITH AND IT'S SPECIFIC.

SO IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET AN ACCESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE PLACE TO GUIDE FEEDBACK ON THE PROPOSALS.

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IT TOOK A MULTIPLE FORMS, YOU KNOW, MORE TRADITIONAL SURVEYS OUTREACH.

WE ALSO HAD A SERIES OF SMALL GROUP DISCUSSIONS AND COMMUNITY EVENTS ON THE SITE WITH POTENTIAL PARTNERS FOR THE PARK.

AGAIN, TRYING TO GET PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE PLACE AND BUILD RELATIONSHIPS TO THE PLACE, UH, AS A PART OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZING AROUND THIS PARK, WE HEARD SOME KEY THINGS COME LOUD AND CLEAR ON SLIDE FIVE, YOU SEE TRAILS, NATURE, RIVER ACCESS, FAMILY, HERITAGE.

THESE WERE THE THEMES, KEEP THE PLACE BEAUTIFUL, KEEP IT AS IT IS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND BUILD ON THE QUALITY OF ACCESS TO NATURE AND FAMILY, NOT BIG CONCERT VENUE.

WE HEARD THAT LOUD AND CLEAR, UM, NO SINGLE USE REALLY DOMINATING OR TAKING OVER.

IT'S REALLY JUST ABOUT THE LAND ITSELF AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND GETTING ACCESS TO IT FOR, FOR HEALTH.

UM, SO FROM THERE WE DEVELOPED THREE CORE VALUES OR PRIMARY.

IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE SIX, UM, WHAT WE HEARD SHAPED THESE THREE IDEAS.

ONE WAS ADVANCING THE COMMUNITY, UH, THROUGH THE LEGACY OF JOHN TREVINO JR.

WHAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A PARK THAT TOOK THE ACCESS EQUITY, UM, MISSION OF JOHN TREVINO JR.

AND REALLY BROUGHT THAT INTO THE PRIMARY IDENTITY AND ACTIVITY OF THE PLACE.

HOW COULD WE ALSO REALLY ADAPT AND BUILD ON THIS AMAZING RANCH LAND HERITAGE, NOT JUST ERASE ALL OF THAT, BUT BUILD ON IT.

AND THEN LASTLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE FACT THAT ONE THIRD, THAT THIS SITE IS INFORMER BLACKMAN PRAIRIE, UPLAND CONDITION, TWO THIRDS DOWN IN THE RIVER BASIN.

SO IT'S A REALLY CRITICAL INTERSECTION OF TWO PRIMARY ECOLOGIES IN THE REGION.

THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN THEN TOOK THAT FRAMEWORK AND DEVELOPED AN IDEA OF WHAT WE CALL THE PRAIRIE, WHICH WAS AN UPLAND CONDITION.

AND THEN THE RIVER LEVEL, WHICH IS BELOW WE'LL START WITH THE PRIMARY LEVEL AND DESCRIBE THE KEY IDENTITY ZONES WITHIN THAT AREA.

AND THESE WERE SHAPED BY THE TOPOGRAPHY, THE EXISTING VEGETATION ACCESS, ET CETERA.

SO STARTING WITH THE FIELD ON PAGE EIGHT, I'M SORRY IF I'VE MISSED A COUPLE OF CUES FOR SLIGHT ADVANCEMENT HERE, THE FIELD, UH, OAKLAND LARGE, FORMER PASTURE ON SLIDE EIGHT, WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT SLIDE NINE THAT SHOWS A PROJECTION AND SKETCH FORM OF WHAT THAT WOULD EVOLVE INTO, WHICH WAS REALLY SORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK RESOURCES, PLACES FOR PICNIC, SMALL PLAY AREA FIELD FOR SOME INFORMAL SPORTS.

UM, BUT REALLY ALSO INTEGRATING THAT INTO THIS MORE OPEN FLOWER WILDFLOWER MEADOW AS THE KIND OF HEART AND ANCHOR OF IT ALL, AS WELL AS CONNECTION TO THE TRAILS.

SLIDE 10, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN PLAN FORM WITH SOME OF THOSE ZONES INDICATED PRIMARY ACCESS OFF FM NINE 69 ON THE NORTH AND A POTENTIAL FUTURE ENTRY, WHICH WE THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE OFF THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE PARK ACCESS IS TRICKY.

IT'S A LONG SKINNY SITE, A LOT OF TYPE OF GRAPHIC CHANGE AND REALLY ONLY ONE PUBLIC ROAD ALONG THE NORTH EDGE.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN A PART OF ALL OF THIS.

UH, IF WE LOOK AT SLIDE 11, THE AREA WE'VE CALLED THE RAVINE WHERE YOU START TO SHIFT TOWARDS THE FLOOD PLAIN.

SO WE START TO GET INTO SOME OF THAT TOPOGRAPHY, MORE EXISTING TREE CANOPY, QUITE 12.

IF YOU SEE THERE THAT SKETCH, THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF CHARACTER OF A DISTRIBUTED PLAY, ADVENTURE PLAY, ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION KIND OF DISCOVERY ZONE.

THAT COULD BE SMALLER PIECES CONNECTED BY TRAILS.

SO GO TO SLIDE 13, YOU SEE THAT IN PLAN FORM.

SO WE'RE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THE FIELD.

THEY'RE ALSO NOTING A POTENTIAL FUTURE PROGRAM OF AN ECOLOGY CENTER THAT SITS IN AN OLD CONSTRUCTION SITE, UH, ON THE INTERMEDIATE INTERMEDIATE SLOPE BETWEEN THE UPLAND IN FLOODPLAIN LOOKING THEN IT'S SLIDE 14.

WE SEE AN AREA WE'VE CALLED THE FARM, AND THIS IS REALLY BUILDING ON THE EXISTING BARN.

THAT'S OUT THERE.

IT'S A KIND OF PROMINENT STORY MOMENT WITHIN THE SITE WHERE WE START TO TAPER AGAINST THE RICHES THAT DROP OFF TO THE FLOOD PLAIN.

AND ON SLIDE 15, YOU SEE THE CONCEPT SKETCH OF THAT, WHICH REALLY BRINGS IN THE IDEA OF FOOD DEMONSTRATION, GARDENING, UH, AGRICULTURAL EDUCATION THAT BUILT ON ONE, THE HERITAGE OF THE SITE.

BUT TWO THINGS WE HEARD ABOUT THE FOOD DESERT NATURE NATURE OF THIS PART OF AUSTIN AND THE VALUE OF HAVING THESE KINDS OF RESOURCES AND EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AS WELL AS MORE GENERAL COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES.

AND AGAIN, PLAY, WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO BRING IN MULTIGENERATIONAL COMPONENTS INTO THESE AREAS.

AND THAT'S A HIGHLIGHT THROUGHOUT THE MASTER PLAN, SLIDE 16.

YOU SEE THE SITE PLAN OF THAT AGAIN, STRUCTURING IT AROUND THE EXISTING BARN AND SHOWING A SMALL FIELD THAT COULD BE MOWED FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATELY SCALED EVENTS.

SO THEN ON SLIDE 17, WE SEE HOME, THERE'S AN EXISTING HOUSE OUT ON THE EDGE OF THE LOFT.

IT'S AN AMAZING VIEW TO DOWNTOWN OVER THE RIVER.

REALLY THE, THE THOUGHT HERE SLIDE 18 IS TO TRY TO KEEP IT AS MUCH AS IT IS,

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YOU KNOW, THIS KIND OF MAGICAL PLACE, BIG OLD TREES, WILDFLOWER, MEADOW, ADDING SOME MORE PICNIC AMENITIES AND TRAIL CONNECTIONS, AS WELL AS VEHICULAR ACCESS.

THIS COULD BE AN AREA FOR SMALL EVENTS AS WELL.

UM, THE FLIGHT 19 AND HIGHLIGHT THE IDEA THAT WE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE PROJECT NAMED HERE AS A COMMUNITY'S WALK.

REALLY THE IDEA IS THAT THIS IS A LEGACY TO JOHN TREVINO JR.

IN A MORE EXPLICIT WAY, A ONE MILE LOOP THAT CONNECTS THESE VARIOUS UPLAND PROGRAMS IN UNIQUE ECOLOGIES THAT COULD ALSO ANCHOR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES ABOUT MR. TREVINO AND HIS WORK LEGACY ART OPPORTUNITIES.

IT'S REALLY A, A KIND OF A LIVING MONUMENT AND MEMORIAL.

ALSO SEEING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS AND WALKS IN MEMORIAL.

OUR LAST COMMUNITY MEETING, WE ACTUALLY DID A PORTION OF THIS MODE.

IT CLEARED IT AND DID IT AS A COMMUNITY WALK AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

A POWERFUL MESSAGE MOVING FORWARD ON SLIDE 20.

THEN WE SEE THE FLOOD PLAIN.

SO THAT'S THAT A TOPOGRAPHIC SHIFT WHERE WE DROPPED QUITE A BIT DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF THE RIVER, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, FAIRLY OPEN AND FIELDS, BUT THERE'S THESE INTERESTING FENCE ROWS THAT HAVE HAD A VEGETATION GROWING UP ALONG THEM THROUGH SOME OF OUR PROCESS WE HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THE PRIORITY FOR THIS AREA WAS TRAILS AND REFORESTATION.

THE IDEA OF SHADE, MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED DEGREES WHEN WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING WITH SHADE WAS A HUGE PRIORITY.

AND SO SAYING THAT THIS 200 ACRES COULD BE A PRIMARILY REFORESTATION FOCUSED EFFORT.

UM, SOME INTERESTING POTENTIAL IN TERMS OF PARTNERSHIPS THAT COULD EVOLVE THERE IN TERMS OF TESTING DIFFERENT METHODS OF REFORESTATION, ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY ACCESS TO THE RIVER ON THE SOUTH EASTERN CORNER OF THE SITE, UH, WHERE YOU COULD GET SMALL BOATS, KAYAKS CANOES, ET CETERA, AS WELL AS A FISHING PIER CONSTRUCTED THERE.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TRAILS TRAILS, LOTS OF TRAILS, UH, ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT.

IF YOU FLIP FORWARD AT 22, THE ECOLOGICAL STRATEGY IS KEY.

IT'S A BIG SITE.

IT TAKES A LOT OF MONEY TO DO WORK IN THIS KIND OF SCALE.

SO YOU NEED TO BE STRATEGIC.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STEVE LOW GROUP ABOUT, UM, WRITING INTO THE MASTER PLAN, THE NEED FOR AN ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN AS A KEY NEXT STEP.

SO REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THOSE KEY REALLY THINGS TO DO, TEST MANAGE INVASIVE, ET CETERA, AND THEN SLOWLY START TO BUILD UP THE POTENTIAL OF SOME OF THESE OTHER ZONES LEARNING ALONG THE WAY AND BEING ADAPTIVE AND RESPONSIVE AS WE SEE WHAT WORKS AND WHAT DOESN'T, RATHER THAN TRYING TO SEE THIS AS KIND OF ONE FIXED SOLUTION FOR THE WHOLE SITE THAT HAS TO BE ENACTED AS A WHOLE ALL AT ONCE.

SO IT'S REALLY THAT INCREMENTAL, INTELLIGENT KIND OF STRATEGY, UH, PAGE 23.

NOW WE SEE, UH, JUST THE OVERALL DIAGRAM OF TRAILS HERE.

THE MAIN POINT IS THAT THERE'S A HIERARCHY, LARGER TRAILS, MULTIMODAL TRAILS, AND THEN FINER SCALES OF HIKING AND WALKING PATHS, UH, FOCUS ON THE UPPER JUNCTURE RENOS WALK AS, OR COMMUNITY WALKING, EXCUSE ME, AS BEING ACCESSIBLE.

UM, ON PAGE 24, YOU SEE SOME OF THE IDEAS FOR RECOMMENDED PHASING WITH THE MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE.

REALLY IT'S ABOUT GETTING ACCESS TO THE SITE, GETTING OUT THERE, CLEARING THINGS UP AND BEGINNING THAT ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, UH, AND THEN FUTURE PHASES WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

REALLY THE, THE FEEDBACK WE HEARD WAS FOCUSED ON THE FIELD AMENITIES ON THE NORTH AND THEN GETTING THAT RIVER ACCESS.

AND SOME OF THOSE TRAILS MORE ESTABLISHED DOWN TO THE RIVER LEVEL.

AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE LABELED AS PARTNER PROJECTS ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD ON THAT.

UM, SOME OF THESE OTHER MORE SPECIALIZED ZONES ONCE FUNDING OR PARTNERSHIPS COULD BE ESTABLISHED TO SUPPORT THOSE.

UH, AND THEN 25 IS JUST A CLOSING IMAGE.

UH, ONE OF THE SKETCHES LOOKING ACROSS THE FIELD.

SO, UM, THANK YOU.

UM, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CHAIR.

UH, THAT WAS A LOT TO TAKE IN THERE.

I'VE BEEN ON THE, UH, THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE RIVER, UH, OVER IN THAT AREA, IN THAT VICINITY.

SO I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF FAMILIARITY WITH IT, UM, AND ITS PROXIMITY TO AUSTIN.

UM, IT'S PRETTY FANTASTIC.

I SEE A LOT OF GROWTH IN THAT AREA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, HAVING THE FACILITIES TO SERVE THE POPULATION THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AS YOU MENTIONED, IS, IS PRETTY FANTASTIC TOO.

SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.

UM, THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S SUCH A LARGE SITE AND A DEEP SIDE, AND THERE ARE SO MANY ELEMENTS, KIND OF PROGRAMMATIC ELEMENTS PLANNED TO TAKE PLACE THERE.

AND ASSUMING THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO ARRIVE BY VEHICLE, IS THERE KIND OF AS A ORGANIZATION SYSTEM, AS FAR AS

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ACCESS AND, YOU KNOW, ANY THOUGHT TO HOW TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, THE CARS AND TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE MAY BE GOING TO DIFFERENT, UH, AMENITIES WITHIN THE SIDE AND HOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TRAVELING TO THOSE AMENITIES, WON'T DISRUPT PEOPLE ENJOYING OTHER PORTIONS OF THE SITE.

LIKE, LIKE MELISSA COMMISSIONER ROBLEDO.

CHARLES, I CAN, I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.

UM, MAYBE ONE OF THE MORE USEFUL DOTS, ONE OF THE MORE USEFUL DIAGRAMS WOULD BE ON PAGE 23.

UM, THERE, YOU CAN SEE INDICATED IN YELLOW, THE VEHICULAR ACCESS AND IN THE LOGIC THAT WE'VE APPLIED TO THIS, IT'S, IT'D BE MORE USEFUL TO SEE THIS DIAGRAM WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY TURNED ON, BUT EFFECTIVELY WHERE WE'RE COMING IN OFF FM NINE 69 ON THE NORTH END SIDE, REALLY WANTING TO BRING, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE HEAVIER LIFT OF PARKING TO THAT CORNER OF THE SITE WITH ACCESS TO THE FIELD AREA.

AND THOSE LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A TEAM EVENT THERE'S LARGER FAMILY, PICNICS, GATHERINGS, ET CETERA.

SO THAT KIND OF COMING IN AND OUT CARS CAN STAY AS CLOSE TO THE EDGE AS POSSIBLE.

AND THEN WE'RE ROUTES AROUND TWO ADDITIONAL POTENTIAL CONNECTION POINTS OFF THE, THE WESTERN SIDE THERE, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC ROAD, UM, BUT WE THINK IT'S A HUGE ASSET TO HAVE ANOTHER VEHICLE ACCESS POINT AND THEN KEEPING THAT PARKING WRAPPING AROUND THAT EDGE.

SO THE GOAL HAS BEEN TO MAINTAIN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE PARK.

ONCE YOU COME IN AND PARK, YOU CAN MOVE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING WITHOUT REALLY CROSSING ANY VEHICLE ROUTES.

THOUGH, WE DO STRETCH THAT ONE, UM, YELLOW LINE DOWN SOUTH, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWING THE EDGE OF A RIDGE LINE, UH, DOWN TO THE AREA OF THE FARM IN THE FIELD, UM, WITH SMALLER AND MORE STRATEGIC PARKING.

SO TRICKY IF I CAN'T POINT TO IT, BUT, UM, HOPEFULLY I'M, I'M BEING CLEAR ENOUGH THERE.

SO IT'S REALLY TRYING TO KEEP THE CARS IN THE ROAD COMPONENT AT THE EDGE.

THERE IS ONE INTERSECTION WHERE ESSENTIALLY THE ONE WAY TO GET DOWN TO THE RIVER, UM, WHERE THE YELLOW LINE BECOMES, UH, YOU KNOW, LINED ON JUST THE EDGES, UM, THAT GOES DOWN TO THE RIVER LEVEL.

AND THEN AGAIN, WRAPS MORE AROUND THE PERIMETER, UH, TO KEEP OUT OF THE WAY.

SO THE GOAL IS REALLY TO FOCUS THE CARS ON THE EDGES AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, AND THIS IS THE DISCUSSION AROUND ALL PARKS IN AUSTIN, SUPER FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

WE'VE GOT TO FIND THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION METHODS.

THIS PLACE DOESN'T HAVE IT YET.

IT'S A PRIORITY.

AND IT HAS TO HAPPEN TO MAKE THIS REALLY BECOME, YOU KNOW, AN ACCESSIBLE EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT REALLY, REALLY FANTASTIC PRESENTATION.

THAT'S SUCH AN EXCITING PROJECT.

I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS THERE.

THEY'RE VERY, VERY VARIED.

ONE IS THE, UH, THE LUXURY OF THE SIZE OF THIS TRACK AND WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ARE LOTS OF TRAILS, LOTS OF LENGTH OF TRAILS, BUT I NOTICED THAT THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE TRAIL WAS COMBINED PART OF ME AS A WALKER, LOVES THE IDEA THAT IF YOU HAD THE LUXURY OF SEPARATING THE TWO FOR SERIOUS BIKERS, LIKE SOME OF THEM WE CAN SEE THEIR FACES RIGHT NOW.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO SEPARATE THOSE THAT'S ONE QUESTION.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS EDGES.

I NOTICED THAT, OF COURSE WE'VE GOT THE COLORADO RIVER EDGE, BUT WHEN YOU HAD THE GOOGLE EARTH IMAGE UP THERE, IT LOOKED LIKE I WASN'T.

I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME INTERPRETING WHAT THOSE OTHER EDGES LOOKED LIKE.

I SAW SOME RESIDENTIAL, BUT I SAW SOMETHING THAT LOOKED LIKE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL MAYBE.

AND THEN MY THIRD QUESTION IS THE RIVER AS AN AMENITY, I SEE A TRAIL GOING DOWN THERE, BUT MY GUT TELLS ME THAT THE RIVER IS GOING TO BE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT VISIT THE SITE ABSOLUTELY WANT TO GET TO AS PART OF THIS EXPERIENCE.

AND I JUST, I SAW JUST A TRAIL, JUST A LINE, BUT ARE THERE ANY STOPPING POINTS OR JUST TALK ABOUT THE RIVER AT THE END? IT JUST LOOKED LIKE IT WAS UNDERREPRESENTED IN THE DIAGRAM.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALL GOOD QUESTIONS.

CHARLES, DO YOU WANT ME TO DROP IT ON THOSE OR DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO SAY? WELL, I CAN, I CAN SAY A FEW THINGS.

THIS IS CHARLES MAYBERRY, AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE TRAILS, UM, AT THIS POINT, I MEAN, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS DIAGRAMMATIC.

AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE DEVELOP THESE TRAILS IN THE FUTURE, UM, WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.

AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SPACE OUT THERE AND I TAKE IT, THERE ARE SOME ADVANTAGES TO HAVING BIKE TRAILS AND PEDESTRIAN ONLY TRAILS.

AND SO WE'LL, WE'LL DEFINITELY

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TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS A PARKS DEPARTMENT, UM, IN THE FUTURE, UM, REGARDING HEDGES, THE PROBABLY BE THE AREA TO THE EAST IS, UH, IS MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT I THINK THERE IS SOME, YOU KNOW, I THINK UP ON FM NINE 69, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE MAY BE A JUNKYARD OR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S THERE ON THE WESTERN EDGE.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCHOOLS AND THERE'S ALSO A GREENBELT.

IT CONNECTS TO THE PARK AND IT'S, UH, SO WALNUT CREEK AND COLORADO RIVER GREENBELT.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER A HUNDRED ACRES OF PARKLAND AND THAT'S GREENBELT.

SO IT WILL BE, UH, BETWEEN LEAVE PRIMARILY UNDEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, WE'LL A TRAIL STREET.

I WAS AT A ALL IN THOSE.

UM, AND I'LL JUST COMMENT A LITTLE ON THE RIVER.

UM, YOU KNOW, THE RIVER IS, IS VERY DIFFERENT HERE FOR US AS A PARKS DEPARTMENT.

UM, MOST OF OUR RIVER FRONTAGE IS ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE, WE CALL LAKES HERE.

UM, THEY'RE DAMNED UP AND THE RIVER IS NOT MOVING AT THOSE POINTS.

SO THIS IS A, IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT USE, I THINK AT THIS POINT.

UM, AND, AND WHAT, WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS.

WE HAVE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES ALONG THE RIVER.

SO WE'D LIKE TO CREATE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR RIVER TRAILS ON THIS, THIS DOWNSTREAM PART OF THE COLORADO RIVER.

WE HAD A BOMB DISTRICT, HARD CRUSHES, FURTHER UPSTREAM THAT WE'RE GOING TO MASTER PLAN.

AND LATER THIS YEAR, UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE A RIVER CONNECTION THERE AND THEN A RIVER CONNECTION HERE.

AND THERE'S, UH, ANOTHER, UM, TAKE OUT COIN TO A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN DOWNSTREAM.

SO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THESE POINTS ALONG THE RIVER THAT PEOPLE CAN STOP, UM, OR PUT IN KAYAKS CANOES, UM, AND TAKE OUT A PIECE POINTS ALSO.

AND IT IS A, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO GET DOWN TO THE RIVER IN THIS PARK, WITHIN THE PARK.

THERE'S ONLY A SINGLE ROAD THAT GOES DOWN TO THE RIVER.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAD WITH DEVELOPING THAT LOWER PORTION.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE REASON IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THE REASON IT'S ATTENDED THAT IT'S IN A FLOOD PLAIN, BUT ALSO THAT IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET TO.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF PEOPLE DOWN IN THIS AREA WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO GET OUT EASILY.

SO IT'S, IT IS DIFFICULT ACCESS.

UM, SO WE DO HAVE POTENTIAL ACCESS ON SOME COUNTY ROADS TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, HAVE PLANNING EXERCISE LEFT TO TAKE ON WITH THE COUNTY IN THE FUTURE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE, DAVID.

I THINK THAT COVERS MOST OF IT THAT THE TRAIL DISCUSSION IS A GOOD ONE.

UM, THE MULTIMODAL TRAIL GUIDE IS WHAT WE HAD GOTTEN SOME SERMON ADVISING ON HOW TO, YOU KNOW, SET UP SOME OF THOSE TRAILS SO THEY COULD SINK IN CHARACTER.

SO I AGREE WITH YOU, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE SHARED TRAILS GET TRICKY.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A DIVIDED WITHIN, WITHIN A SPACE, BUT AS CHARLES NOTES, THAT'LL GET MORE PLANNING IF YOU FLIP TO PAGE SEVEN, THAT DOES ILLUSTRATE A COUPLE OF KEY THINGS THAT I COULD HAVE ARTICULATED MORE CLEARLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT LEVEL, YOU KNOW, THAT LABEL RAVINE FROM THE PRAIRIE LEVEL DOWN TO THE RIVER IS SOMETHING LIKE 40 PLUS FEET OF GREAT CHANGE.

AND THEN, UM, WHERE YOU SEE THE NOTE OF RIVER ACCESS ON THERE, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS SORT OF A, A LINE THAT, UM, HAS A PATH ALONG YET.

THAT'S ANOTHER 15 FEET OF DROP.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OLD AREAS THAT THAT AREA, WHICH IS FULLY FORESTED, UM, IN CONTRAST TO THE AREA TO THE NORTH, WHICH IS OPEN FIELDS, THAT AREA IS BACK IN LIKE THE FIFTIES.

I THINK IT WAS THE RIVER ACTUALLY RAN ALONG THAT EDGE.

SO IT SPEAKS TO THE REALITY THAT THIS IS A VERY DYNAMIC RIVER IN THAT ZONE FLOODS REGULARLY, THE FLOOD PLAIN FOREST AREA.

APPARENTLY HASN'T FLOODED FOR A WHILE WITH THE DAM CONSTRUCTION, BUT EASILY COULD, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, RELEASE OF WATER, BUT THAT LOWER AREA, WHICH IS KIND OF THE RIVER'S EDGE IS ACTIVELY FLOODING IN A DYNAMIC, YOU KNOW, LIVING RIVER.

THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

UM, I'VE GOT JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

UH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MY GOODNESS FOR BEING SO JUST WITH IT AND YOUR PRESENTATION SO CONCISE, IT'S VERY APPRECIATED.

UM, I AM GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, AND I KNOW THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT TRAILS LATER AS

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CHARLES MABRY KNOWS.

I THINK TOWN LAKE IS AS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF, UM, PEOPLE AND BIKES.

IT'S GETTING REALLY HAIRY ON THAT TRAIL IN TERMS OF, UH, TRAFFIC.

UM, AND THEN I'M JUST CURIOUS, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T REALLY IN YOUR SCOPE CHARLES, OR FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BUT IF THERE'S ANY PLAN IN THE FUTURE WHERE THIS PARK WILL TIE INTO EAST LAKE, BUT THAT WOULD BE MORE OF AN EAST WEST CONNECTION I REALIZED.

UM, AND THEN I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE FARM.

I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY IT WASN'T UNTIL ABOUT LAST YEAR, I STARTED TO LEARN ABOUT JOHN TREVINO.

SO I'M REALLY THRILLED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AND, UM, TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HIM AND HIS LEGACY.

AND IN CLOSING, I'LL JUST SAY THAT, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE RENDERINGS BEING VERY SOFT AND INCLUSIVE.

THAT'S JUST A DESIGN THING OF, UM, IT REALLY FEELS INCLUSIVE FOR, FOR FOLKS, BUT, UH, YEAH, THERE ARE AN EAST WEST CONNECTION POTENTIALLY HAPPENING THERE.

CHARLES THERE IS, WE HAVE, UH, THE PARKS HARVIN HAS LONGTERM PLANS TO, TO HAVE A TRAIL ALONG THE RIVER AND NOT ONLY HAVE THESE, THESE CONNECTIONS BY BOAT BETWEEN THESE PARKS, BUT ALSO EVENTUALLY AN URBAN TYPE TRAIL.

UM, SO I THINK ON ONE OF THE SLIDES, I WAS TRYING TO FIND IT IF, IF, IF THE SLIDE IS STILL UP 23, BETH ILLUSTRATES THE SOUTHERN RIVEREDGE CONNECTIONS, CHARLES.

IF, IF, IF THAT'S SO I CAN BE PULLED UP, HE CAN SEE SOME, SOME FUTURE CONNECTIONS TO, UH, TO URBAN TRAILS ALONG THE RIVER.

AND, AND WE'RE STILL WORKING ON SOME PROPERTY ACQUISITIONS ALONG THE RIVER TO MAKE THIS A REALITY, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY CLOSE, UM, TO HAVING THE PROPERTY TO MAKE A FULL CONNECTION TO ONE 83.

SO YEAH, THE, THE LOGIC TO THAT WE TRIED TO BUILD IN AND IT'S ON OTHER DIAGRAMS PROBABLY MORE CLEARLY THAN PAGE 23 IN THE REPORT, BUT FM NINE 69 WOULD GET AN EAST-WEST BIKE TRAIL.

AND THEN THE RIVER EDGE WOULD GET AN EAST WEST BIKE TRAIL, WHICH WOULD CONNECT IN.

AND THEN WE REUSE THE OLD ROADS, WHICH WE THOUGHT WERE BETTER AS A MULTIUSE TRAIL, THEN VEHICULAR GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE PARK.

SO THAT WOULD CONNECT THOSE TO THE UPPER FM NINE 69 AND THE RIVER TRAIL THROUGH A COMBINATION.

IT WOULD BE SHARED AT, WITH A ROADWAY IN THAT ZONE THAT GOES BETWEEN THE LEVELS, BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO GET THROUGH THERE WITHOUT MASSIVE REGRADING AND DAMAGE.

SO, UM, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S AN UPPER TRAIL, A LOWER TRAIL AND A LINK BETWEEN OKAY.

THAT'S WONDERFUL.

AND MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, JUST INCLUDING THAT BROADER, UM, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, I HAD ONE THING.

UM, I SAW THAT.

AND WHAT IS IT, THE FIELD YOU'RE, UM, ACCOMMODATING SPACE FOR ART INSTALLATIONS.

UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE VISION OF WHAT THAT IS YET? IS THAT GOING TO BE A PART, YOU KNOW, PERMANENT ART OR, UH, YOU KNOW, A ROTATING THING OF COMMUNITY ARTISTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THE, THE LABEL THAT YOU'RE NOTING THERE ON SLIDE 10, WE HADN'T GOTTEN TO ANY SPECIFICITY ON THE NATURE OF THE ART BEYOND THE NOTION THAT ANYTHING ALONG THAT, UM, COMMUNITY'S WALK OR THE TREVINO WALK WOULD, UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO CONNECT TO THAT STORY AND SUPPORT THAT STORY.

UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THROUGH THE ENGAGEMENT, A STRONG INTEREST ON THE COMMUNITY'S STORY AND, UM, PRESENCE OF THAT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, OUR, THAT THAT'S REALLY WHERE THAT WAS COMING FROM, BUT WE, I DIDN'T GET INTO A DEEPER LEVEL OF SPECIFICS ON ART.

SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT A MORE PUBLIC WILL BE DONE FOR THAT PIECE? YEAH, I REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A FRAMEWORK AND GUIDANCE FOR, FOR WHAT WE HEARD AND HOW THAT RELATES TO THE PLACE, BUT EVERYTHING WE'LL NEED MORE ENGAGEMENT.

THEY'LL JUST SAY, I LIKE THAT IDEA

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OF ROTATING ART MAY.

THAT CAN BE A PRETTY UNIQUE THING IF WE WERE ABLE TO PULL THAT OFF.

COMMISSIONERS, ANY FINAL COMMENTS? OKAY.

I GUESS THAT IS IT.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANKS FOR THE GREAT COMMENTS.

[1B. Courtesy briefing for the Arts in Public Places Program by the Cultural Arts Division within the Economic Development Department (Sue Lambe, COA and Curt Gettman,)]

ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM ONE B COURTESY BRIEFING FOR THE ARTS AND PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM BY THE CULTURAL ARTS DIVISION WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CAROL.

THIS IS KIRK ATMAN FROM ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, AND WE DO HAVE A, A VERY SHORT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.

SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU.

WE HAVE PREPARED TODAY, A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE ART IN PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM AND THE UPCOMING AIPP PROJECT ASSOCIATED WITH THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER WAREHOUSE AND MARSHALING YARD.

UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS KIRK ATMAN.

I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE AIPP, UM, PORTION OF THE PROJECT WITH ME TODAY IS, ARE IN PUBLIC PLACES, PROGRAM MANAGER, SUE LAMB, SITE TWO.

HI EVERYBODY.

UH, SO I'M SORRY.

BACK ONE BACK TO THE BLUE ONE THAT SAYS MUNICIPAL CODE AT THE TOP.

WE'LL BE RELEASING A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS TO LOCAL ARTISTS IN THE COMING WEEKS WITH A GOAL OF HAVING AN ARTIST, A RECOMMENDATION BY THE SELECTION PANEL APPROVED BY THE AIPP PANEL AND ARTS COMMISSION.

UH, THE CITY OF AUSTIN WAS THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS TO ESTABLISH AN AIP PROGRAM BY ORDINANCE BACK IN 1985, REQUIRING A MINIMUM 1% OF ELIGIBLE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, PROJECT CONSTRUCTION BUDGETS BE SET ASIDE FOR THE COMMISSIONING OF PUBLIC ART IN 2002 THROUGH CITIZEN, UH, INITIATIVE COUNSEL UPDATED THE ORDINANCE TO BE A MINIMUM OF 2% FOR PUBLIC ART ORDINANCE.

IF YOU'RE PLAYING ALONG IT'S CHAPTER SEVEN DASH TWO IN THE MUNICH COACH SLIDE THREE.

SO THE, UH, THE INVESTMENT IN AUSTIN AS A CREATIVE CITY HAS YIELDED OVER 300 ARTWORKS, UM, FOR THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES COLLECTION SINCE 1985 WORTH OVER $16 MILLION.

IT'S A MUSEUM WITHOUT WALLS IN THE CITY FREELY AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS 365 DAYS A YEAR.

AND HERE'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE, UH, IN THE RECENT PAST.

UM, OUR WORK IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SD TWENTY-THREE OUTCOME FOR CULTURAL, LIFELONG LEARNING, WHICH ENCOURAGES DIALOGUE WITHIN AND BETWEEN COMMUNITIES, ADVANCES, PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, CREATIVE EXPRESSION.

NEXT SLIDE STAFF IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON OVER 70 PROJECTS FROM PERMANENT TEMPORARY, TEMPORARY COMMISSIONS, OUR WORK DONATIONS AND LOAN ON CITY, PROPERTY, AND REPAIRS TO OUR AGING COLLECTION.

NEXT SLIDE, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE AIPP PROJECT FOR THE FORTHCOMING AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER WAREHOUSE.

THE MARSHALING YARD YOU SEE HERE THAT THE BUDGET, THE PROJECT BUDGET FOR THAT IS 100,000 WORKING WITH THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER WITH THE PROJECT DESIGN TEAM.

THE SOUTH FACING WALL HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A MURAL OR SIMILAR WALL BASED OUR WORK.

HOWEVER, THE SELECTED ARTISTS, INEVITABLE SELECTED ARTISTS WILL WORK WITH COMMUNITY TO DETERMINE THE LOCATION AND MEDIUM FOR THE ARTWORK FOR EVERY AIPP PROJECT.

WE DEVELOP GOALS TO HELP THE SELECTION PANEL CHOOSE AN ARTIST FOR THE COMMISSION AND ASPIRE ART, THE ARTIST AS THEY WORK WITH COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP THEIR DESIGN FOR THIS PROJECT, THE GOALS INCLUDE, UH, BEING MINDFUL OF THE VALUES OF THE MONTOPOLIS COMMUNITY AND INSPIRING CURIOSITY AND IMAGINATION IN AN APPEALING WAY.

UH, THIS PROJECT, THE SPONSORING PROJECT IS CREATING AN ADDITIONAL $500,000, UM, OF, UH, ELIGIBLE, UH, PUBLIC FUNDS, UH, WHATEVER THE, UH, UH, FOR, UM, SORRY.

I HAD A HANDWRITTEN NOTE HERE TO MYSELF, UH, AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE EXPANDED AS FOR FUTURE PROJECTS WORKING WITH AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER.

UH, THE DETAILS OF THAT ARE YET TO BE DETERMINED.

NEXT SLIDE,

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BY SEPTEMBER, ONCE UNDER CONTRACT, THE ARTISTS WILL ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND DEVELOP A DESIGN FOR THE ARTWORK.

ONCE THE DESIGN IS APPROVED, THE ICE WE'LL BE ABLE TO START FABRICATING IF, IF THAT'S, UH, IF THIS HAS A PHYSICAL COMPONENT OF THAT NATURE, AND THEN INSTALLING ONCE THE WALL IS READY TO RECEIVE ARTWORK, UH, THIS SHOULD FALL AROUND SPRINGTIME.

IF EVERYTHING STAYS ON SCHEDULE, UH, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE ARTWORK FULLY INSTALLED BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

AND WITH THAT, SEE, WHEN I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, I'VE GOT A QUESTION RIGHT OFF.

SO YOU, YOU PRESENTED THIS, UH, MARSHALING YARD PROJECT, AND THAT WAS ONE THAT WE HAD CONCERNS WITH.

UM, INITIALLY, AND I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THE ARTIST WILL BE ABLE TO SELECT THE LOCATION OF THE ART.

UM, HOWEVER, THE WAY THIS WAS PRESENTED TO US AND THE WAY YOU ARE PRESENTED IT NOW IS THAT THE ART WAS GOING TO GO ON THE WALL OF THIS BUILDING.

PART OF OUR CONCERN WAS THAT, UM, THIS IS OFF A, ESSENTIALLY A DEAD END ROAD TO A WAREHOUSE THAT NO ONE'S EVER GOING TO SEE.

AND WE SAW A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR AN AREA WHERE THE FUTURE URBAN TRAIL IS GOING TO BE ON THIS PROPERTY TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE, UH, PUBLIC USERS IN THAT WAY.

SO COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW THE ART LOCATION IS ACTUALLY SELECTED? SURE.

HI, CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME? THIS IS SUE LAMB.

THE, UM, THE ARTWORK LOCATION IS, IS ONE THAT WE, UM, CAME UP IN CONVERSATION, UM, WITH, UH, WITH THE DESIGN TEAM AND NOTHING IS, IS, IS ABSOLUTELY NAILED DOWN.

IT'S JUST THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A SECURE SITE.

UM, THERE'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT WHERE THE ARTWORK CAN GO AND STILL REMAIN PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE.

AND, UH, OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE TRAIL, UM, COULD BE, UH, MANY YEARS OFF.

SO RATHER THAN, UM, DESIGNED TO A TRAIL THAT, UH, THAT ISN'T THERE YET, UM, WE DECIDED TO PARSE OUT A PORTION OF THE AVAILABLE BUDGET AND FOCUS ON THAT WALL AND WITH REGARDS TO, UM, CURRENT VISIBILITY OR, OR, UH, PROJECTED VISIBILITY.

WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH OUR MURALS IS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY CREATE EXCITEMENT FOR A DISCOVERY LOCATION.

FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE A MURAL ON WOOD HOLLOW DRIVE UP NORTHWEST, AND WE DO, UM, IT'S AND IT'S TUCKED AWAY, BUT IT'S, UH, IT'S VERY LOVED BY THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY AND RECEIVES, UH, UM, A LOT OF, UH, OF, UH, VISITORS THAT THEY GO AND ENJOY THE ARTWORK.

BUT IS THIS, UM, I GUESS PART OF ME QUESTIONS TOO, THAT THIS, I ASSUME THIS IS A SECURE FACILITY AND YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC AT THE BUILDING, UH, TRYING TO ENGAGE THIS ART PEDESTRIANS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD.

WHEN YOU HAVE 18 WHEELERS COME ON ABOUT TO BE FAIR.

IT WOULD PROBABLY NEVER BE A GREAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, UM, BUT IT WOULD ACTIVATE THE SITE AND THEY IMMEDIATE, UM, COMMUNITY WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S THERE, THERE, THERE'S NOT TWO NEIGHBORHOODS TUCKED BACK BEHIND THE FACILITY.

UM, AND THE, UH, IF, IF THIS ROAD, UH, EVER PUNCHES THROUGH TO THE, UH, TO THE MORE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THIS COULD BE A PASS THROUGH AREA.

SO, UM, WHO ACTUALLY SELECTS, IS IT, IS IT A PP FOLKS? IS IT THE ARTIST? IS IT THE DESIGN TEAM WHO ACTUALLY SELECTS WHERE THE ART IS GOING TO GO ON ON ANY SPECIFIC PROJECT? SO WHO SELECTS, UH, WHO'S PART OF THE, UH, THE SELECTION OF THE ARTIST OR WHO MAKES THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF PLACEMENT PLACEMENT PLACEMENT? UH, THAT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD BE THE ARTIST, UH, THE, OUR IN PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM WORKING WITH THE, UM, THE CONVENTION CENTER AND THE DESIGN TEAM TO, UH, TO, UM, FINALIZE A LOCATION.

SO IT'S A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, AND I'M NOT TALKING SPECIFICALLY ON THIS PROJECT, BUT ANY PROJECT THAT HAS A VP OF PRODUCT X IT'S.

YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, ESPECIALLY ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SIDE, IT'S USUALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, THE ARTIST AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE USER DEPARTMENT, UH, AND MAKE A FINAL DETERMINATION, THE PLACEMENT.

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I WAS HOPING TO SPEND SEE HI.

HI.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN A LITTLE BIT AND SAY THAT, UM, WHILE WE HAVE, UM, THE PROJECT DESIGN TEAM AND THE SPONSOR DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER IN THIS CASE, AND WE HAVE, UM, CITIZENS REPRESENTED ON THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES PANEL AND THE ARTS COMMISSION.

WE ALSO MAKE A REALLY DEEP, UM, EFFORT TOWARDS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON EVERY PROJECT THAT ART IN PUBLIC PLACES DOES.

AND THIS ARTIST WILL BE EXPECTED TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY IN THE VICINITY OF THIS SITE AND ALSO THE USER GROUP.

HOWEVER, WE DETERMINE THAT TO BE AN AND WORK WITH THEM AS WELL ON WHAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS, WHERE THE PLACEMENT COULD BE AND WHAT THE MEDIUM OF THE WORK WOULD BE.

JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

BUT, UM, MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT OUTSIDE OF OUR PROGRAM.

THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW.

UM, MR. COLEMAN, THIS IS MORE OF A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT AND SPECIFIC TO THIS PROJECT, BUT I THINK IT DOES HAVE SOME RELEVANCE.

Y'ALL DO INCREDIBLE WORK.

I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS ON SOME OF THE PUBLIC PROJECTS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND THE PIECES ARE AMAZING.

SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S TAUNTED ME AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT A LITTLE BIT, AS I ALWAYS HOPED THAT THIS PROGRAM WOULD EVOLVES FROM ART IN PUBLIC PLACES TO ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED PROJECTS.

AND I'VE SEEN OTHER PROJECTS WHERE THE NEED FOR SPACE IN PLACE, EVEN IN AN ARTISTIC WELL ARTICULATED FORM WAS ALMOST HIGHER THAN THE NEED FOR A PIECE OF ART OR IN COMBINATION OF THE TWO.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, I'VE SEEN BEAUTIFUL ART INSTALLATIONS OUT WHERE NO ONE REALLY CAN ENJOY IT, CAUSE IT'S SO HOT WHEN THEY, WHAT THEY REALLY NEED IS A SHADE STRUCTURE WITH MAYBE, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CRITICAL AT ALL.

I'M JUST SAYING, JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT SOME OF THIS ART IS SO FANTASTIC AND ONLY REACHES A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF PEOPLE FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR INVESTMENT.

WHEN I SEE A LOT OF POTENTIAL, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY USERS WILL BE OUT THERE, BUT THOSE PEOPLE MAY NEED A PLAZA.

WHAT THEY, THEY LESS EXPENSIVE PIECE OF ART.

I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY.

AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT TO LOOK BROADLY ABOUT THIS HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE REALLY HAVE.

SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T FULLY GET TO APPRECIATE IT, OR CAN WE BANK IT AND USE IT ON 250 OR $500,000 INSTALLATIONS IN PUBLIC SPACES WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT ART.

LIKE SOME OF OUR SISTER CITIES DO HOUSTON, WASHINGTON, D C THE LIST GOES ON CHICAGO.

YOU KNOW, WHEN ARE WE EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD? AND $15 MILLION ART INSTALLATION IS EVERY SINGLE PROJECT HAS TO TAKE PLACE BY.

I REALIZED THAT CODE.

I REALIZE ITS MANDATE.

I REALIZE YOUR HANDS ARE DRY, BUT AGAIN, THE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT PORTION OF THIS IS CAN WE POTENTIALLY MAKE A MOVEMENT HERE TO LOOK BROADER? THAT'S MY THOUGHT, CAN I, THIS IS THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT.

UM, THAT'S A GREAT THOUGHT.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS SUE LAMB WITH THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES PROGRAM.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT TYPICALLY THE LARGE SCALE PIECES THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING SUCH AS AT MILLENNIUM PARK, UM, WHICH HAS THE LARGE SCALE, UM, CLOUD GATE BY INITIAL REPORT, WHICH HAS LOVINGLY CALLED THE BEAN.

THAT WAS A $30 MILLION PIECE, I THINK WHEN IT WAS FIRST, UM, CONSIDERED.

AND I THINK IT ENDED UP BEING CLOSER TO 15 MILLION THAT WAS PRIVATELY FUNDED.

UM, ART AND PUBLIC PLACES HAS A VERY SPECIFIC MISSION.

WE HAVE, WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY 2% OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FUNDS THAT WE CAN USE FOR, UM, ART.

AND SPECIFICALLY THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT THE ARTWORK BE AT IN OR NEAR THE SITE, THAT'S CREATING THE FUNDING.

AND IF WE FIND THAT THE FUNDING IS AT A SITE THAT IS NOT AS VISIBLE, SUCH AS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY AT THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER SITE FOR THE MARSHALING YARD, THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARSE OUT SOME OF THAT MONEY TO A SITE THAT MIGHT BE MORE VISIBLE AND MORE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THIS BUDGET IS SPLIT, WHY WE'VE DONE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AT THIS SITE, AND THAT WILL PUSHING, UM, THE HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO A SITE THAT WILL HAVE MORE VISIBILITY.

UM, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOUR POINT OF VIEW AS, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING ABOUT ART AND PUBLIC PLACES.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TOO.

I KNOW, YOU KNOW THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT CONCEPT AND WE DO WORK TO INTEGRATE THE ARTWORK FULLY SO THAT IT CAN BE MORE EXPRESSIVE AND MAYBE EVEN SERVICE SITE USE OR SOME ECOSYSTEM SERVICE.

UM, SO I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND, UM, I ECHO SOME OF THEM AND SOME OF THEM, I WISH WE HAD THE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHAT YOU'RE EXPRESSING,

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I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC ART IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY FUNDED THROUGH THIS ORDINANCE, BUT IT HAS, UM, A HIGHER PURPOSE SUCH AS THE $23 MILLION AUSTIN.

THAT'S ON THE, UM, THE CAMPUS AT UT, UM, BY ELLSWORTH KELLY.

SO THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LISSA.

YOU'RE ON MUTE.

I SUE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLEARING THAT UP.

UM, I, I THINK I CAUGHT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE CONVERSATION THAT 400,000 WAS GOING TO GO OFFSITE AND A HUNDRED THOUSAND ONSITE.

I AM GOING TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT EVERYONE SAID WHEN WE SAW THIS SITE.

UM, I'M JUST GOING TO BE REALLY FRANK.

IT, IT BREAKS MY HEART TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHILE BEING PAINTED FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO BE COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY HONEST, BECAUSE IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO ANYTHING PUBLIC.

IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS NOT ADJACENT TO PEOPLE.

AND SO WHEN WE SAW THIS THE FIRST TIME, I THOUGHT, OKAY, WELL, THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE IT AS IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN 71 OR ONE 83, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DRIVING ON THESE SUPER HIGHWAYS AND IT'S JUST LIKE, WHOA, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY AN EXPERIENCE.

AND THEN, UM, AT THIS FIRST INITIAL AND SO, UH, DISCUSSION, I THOUGHT, WELL, HECK, WELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE TO THE PUBLIC, THEN WHY DON'T YOU DO SOMETHING ON THE ROOF SO THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LIKE FLYING OVER AUSTIN, MAYBE GET MORE EXPOSURE TO IT.

BUT WHAT I REALLY LIKED THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THAT INITIAL MEETING IS IF IT'S POSSIBLE VERSUS JUST, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL SAYING JUST A PAINTING ON A WALL, BUT IT, MAYBE THE ENGAGEMENT COULD BE WITH THE, UM, TRUCKERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THE YARD AND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE VISITING.

AND THE, LIKE IN THAT VISITOR'S PLAZA AND THAT VISITOR STATION THAT MAY BE SOME SORT OF ARTISTIC, SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN THERE SO THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE GETTING TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT AUSTIN, THAT THEY'RE HAVING A MUCH MORE DESIRABLE EXPERIENCE.

UM, AND I ONLY SAY THIS AGAIN, BECAUSE THIS IS SO UNIQUE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN IT IS THAT YOU GET A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A BIG DEAL OR NOT THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT IF IT COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT THAT ART COULD REALLY BE EXPERIENCED AT THE PEDESTRIAN HUMAN SCALE.

UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE THE PROFESSIONALS, BUT IT'S JUST, IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO THINK ABOUT THAT WALL BEING PAINTED AND REALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT, BEING A SERVICE TO NOBODY.

SO NOBODY LIVES THERE OR CLOSE TO THERE.

I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

I, I THINK ONE OTHER, IF I COULD, ONE OTHER THOUGHT THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN MADE VISIBLE TO YOU ALL YET IS THAT THAT, UH, FACILITY WILL SERVE AS AN EMERGENCY RESIDENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FLEEING HURRICANE SUCH AS KATRINA.

SO THERE WILL BE POTENTIALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE, UM, USING THAT SITE, YOU KNOW, AT A MORE HUMAN SCALE AND THEY WILL BE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY TRAUMATIZED AND, AND, UM, RUNNING FROM SOMETHING DEVASTATING.

AND SO ONE OF THE THOUGHTS WAS THAT WE WOULD RAP IF WE WERE TO USE THAT WELL, AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A FOR SURE THAT WE WOULD USE IT, BUT IF WE WERE TO USE THAT WALL FOR THE, UM, THE CANVAS FOR THE, FOR THE ARTWORK, WE COULD WRAP THAT, UM, MURAL AROUND ANOTHER, UM, ANOTHER CORNER SO THAT IT WOULD BE AT THE ENTRANCE AND PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPERIENCE IT MORE.

UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THOUGHTS BEHIND, UM, USING THE, YOU KNOW, PAINTING THAT, THAT BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH AS KNOWING THAT THAT, UM, WOULD BE USED IN THAT WAY IN THE FUTURE.

UM, AND THANK YOU.

WE WERE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE WERE TOLD THAT THAT FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY BE PLAYING AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THAT AND THAT EVEN MORE, UH, I GUESS I FEEL LIKE BUILDS MY CASE OF IT BEING SOMETHING THAT THE HUMAN SCALE MEANING WHERE YOU'RE SITTING DOWN, LIKE IF THOSE, THESE PEOPLE AT FLEET AND IT'S TRAUMATIC THAT YOU'RE SITTING THERE.

AND NOT JUST THAT, IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT A WALL.

I DON'T, I'M SO SORRY, BUT THAT'S, THAT MAY NOT BE AN OPTION.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

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YEAH, I DO.

UM, THIS IS BOTH REAL.

UM, MY CONCERN WAS, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE AND SHARING ABOUT A COUPLE OF PLACES.

UM, MY, MY QUESTION AND CONCERN WAS WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED TO US, THEY, UM, THEY WERE PRESENTING IT, THAT THEY HAD, UM, LOWERED THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING REQUIRED CARDS IN PUBLIC PLACES BECAUSE OF THE SITE BEING SO, UM, LESS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE, UM, WELL, AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND NOW LEARNING THAT THIS COULD ALSO BE A YOUTH AT THE SHELTER, UM, AND EVEN LIKE VISITORS, LIKE TRUCK DRIVERS AND THE, THE FUTURE TRAIL ALONG, UM, THIS, THIS PROPERTY, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A REAL DISSERVICE TO OFFER TONIGHT TO LIMIT THE FUNDING.

UM, AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF, HAS THE FUNDING, UH, IS THIS ON PAR WITH TYPICAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR THE FUNDING THAT'S TAKEN FOR PUBLIC PROJECTS? AND I'D ALSO BE INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS PER YEAR, UH, OR IN, UH, USUALLY LIVE, UH, REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT GOES TO PUBLIC ART.

SO JUST THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, BRO.

UM, THE, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT TOTAL 2% WAS NOT REDUCED IN ANY WAY.

UM, THE, THE AMOUNT OF SPLIT BETWEEN THIS PROJECT, WHICH WE'VE PUT A HUNDRED K TOWARDS AND ANOTHER 500,000 HAS BEEN HELD BACK TOWARDS TO BE PLACED AT A SITE THAT IS MORE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE AND ACCESSIBLE, HOPEFULLY 365 DAYS A YEAR, UM, WHICH IS ALWAYS OUR GOAL.

AND SO, UM, SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MORE, UM, UM, EASILY ENJOYED BY THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL.

SO, UM, TYPICALLY WE DON'T EVER EXPERIENCE A REDUCTION IN OUR 2% BECAUSE IT IS A REQUIREMENT BY ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE.

AND, UM, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED ME TO RESPOND TO? OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

WELL, SO MY OTHER, UM, WELL, I GUESS IT'S WHEN, UH, WHEN THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE THAT, THAT, UH, SPLITTING UP THE FUNDS, WHICH A LARGE MAJORITY OF IT IS GOING OFF SITE.

I'M WONDERING HOW, W WHAT GOVERNANCE, WHERE IT'S ALLOWED TO GO.

IS IT STILL GOING TO BENEFIT THIS COMMUNITY FOR INSTANCE, WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, A COMMUNITY THAT LIKELY DOESN'T TYPICALLY SEE PUBLIC ART AND INVESTMENT IN THERE, UM, IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S, YOU KNOW, MORE SUBURBAN AND THE, EVEN THE REASON WHY THIS WAREHOUSE OR THE, YOU KNOW, THIS MARSHALING FIELD IS GOING THERE IS PROBABLY BECAUSE THE LAND IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST MORE AFFORDABLE.

SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW, UM, THAT THAT PROCESS GETS A SOCIETY LIKE IT.

WELL, WILL THIS GO INTO LIKE A ADJACENT TO A DOWNTOWN HIGH RISE, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO SEE HIM ON A DAILY BASIS, AREN'T GOING TO BE FROM THIS COMMUNITY, OR EVEN IN THE ECONOMIC REALM OF, OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE AROUND FLOOR.

UM, SO DETERMINATIONS ARE, UM, SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE PRICEY PANEL IN THE ARTS PENSION ADVICE, UM, SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU ARE SITTING ON THE DESIGN SESSION, UM, WE'VE WORKING WITH THEM FOR PITT, UM, WELL, BE HIRED IN THE SUITE OF THE CONVENTION CENTER HOLDS BECAUSE THIS FUNDING INKS FROM AN AUSTIN CONVENTION, THE CONVENTION CENTER PROJECT, UM, THE BOND FUNDS THAT WERE USED, THE FUNDING THAT'S USED, UH, HAS TO BE AT IN OR NEAR ONE OF THEIR SITES.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO BE THINKING THAT THROUGH AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

I DEFINITELY TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY, UM, NEEDING ACCESS TO ART.

AND, UM, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO, UM, LIMIT ACCESS TO ART FROM THIS, BY THIS COMMUNITY IN ANY WAY.

SO, UM, IT JUST MAY, MAY BE THAT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NOT AS ACCESSIBLE AS IT SHOULD BE, AND WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES.

UM, BUT MAYBE NOT, WE JUST WERE HOLDING BACK THIS, UM, OTHER PORTION OF THE FUNDING $500,000 TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT THAT HIGHEST AND BEST USE.

AND WE DO NOT HAVE THAT FIGURED OUT YET.

I, I, IT IS CONCERNING TO ME THAT, I MEAN, WE, BESIDES THIS YEAR, WHICH OF COURSE IS IMPACTING LOTS OF BUSINESSES.

THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT.

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UM, I MEAN THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER BRINGS IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR.

SO TO DIRECT THE MAJORITY OF THESE PUBLIC ART FUNDS TO, OR THIRD, YOU KNOW, THE INTEREST OF CONVENTION GOERS, WHICH ARE USUALLY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD TO GO TO CONVENTIONS WITH, UM, THERE ARE SOME FREE EVENTS OBVIOUSLY, BUT I STILL, UM, I STILL THINK IT'S A LITTLE CONCERN TO SEE THE, UM, EXTRACTION OR THE DISPLACEMENT OF THESE FUN.

SO I THINK I'D JUST RECOMMEND LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE CLEANER AND PERHAPS BRINGING THAT, THAT ISSUE TO THE, UH, THE ARTS AND PUBLIC PLACES FOR MEMBERS SO THEY CAN PERHAPS DISCUSS IT.

THIS IS REALLY THE MOST EQUITABLE USE OF THE FUNDING.

WE'LL DEFINITELY BRING THAT TO THEIR ATTENTION.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I HAVE A COUPLE REAL QUICK QUESTIONS AS TO WHY DID THIS PARTICULAR ART IN PUBLIC PLACES INSTALLATION COME BEFORE COMMISSIONS? I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN AN OTHER ONE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, AND WE'VE SEEN MANY OTHER PUBLIC PROJECTS.

WHY DID THIS ONE? I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'RE HERE BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE YOU REQUESTED US TO COME, UM, THAT THE AUSTIN CONVENTION CENTER GAVE A PRESENTATION AND THE ARCHITECT SHOWED AN ART IN PUBLIC PLACES.

UM, STAND-IN ON A BUILDING AND THAT RAISED SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU SO THAT, UM, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU ASKED US TO COME SO THAT YOU COULD ASK US THIS QUESTION.

YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT.

WE HAD, WE HAD INVITED THEM, UM, PARTLY FOR THAT PROJECT AND FARLEY, JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE PROGRAM A LITTLE BIT MORE, JUST REDUCE THE, UH, PROJECTS WITH, WITH THE PPP PROJECTS.

RIGHT? THANK YOU.

I THANK YOU FOR COMING.

IT WAS GREAT TO GET THE UPDATE I REALLY WANT TO, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING FULLY AWARE.

DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, I JUST WANTED TO, UH, SUPPORT WHAT COMMISSIONER FRAIL, WHAT BOSE SAID SO ELOQUENTLY, BECAUSE HE BRINGS SO MANY THINGS TO LIGHT UP.

I HAD NOT THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.

OF COURSE, THE CONVENTION CENTER MONEY, BUT TO KEEP THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER OF MAYBE YES, LOOKING AGAIN AT THAT POLICY, BECAUSE THAT REALLY DOESN'T FEEL AS EQUITABLE.

AND IT'S NOT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER, WHICH IS REALLY HARD TO SAY, BUT IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE, IF YOU NEVER BRING IN ANY MONEY, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THIS PUBLIC ART CLOSE TO YOU POTENTIALLY DUE TO HOW THE MONEY'S RAISED.

UM, JUST MAKES MY HEART SAD IS ALL AND LOVE WHAT YOU DO LOVE WHAT YOU DO.

THANKS, RIDERS IT AGAIN.

CAN I JUST SPEAK TO THE EQUITY ISSUE JUST REALLY QUICKLY? THIS IS SUE LAMB.

AGAIN, I JUST WANTED YOU TO, TO KNOW THAT, UM, THE ART IN PUBLIC PLACES PANEL AND THE ARTS COMMISSION, HIGHLY VALUES EQUITY AS DOES THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS PART OF, UM, WHICH WE ARE A PART OF.

AND, UM, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A STATE, UH, COMMITMENT TO EQUITY STATEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, UM, PANELS WORK.

SO WE ARE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON RACIAL EQUITY AND, UM, WE ABSOLUTELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE DO IS THROUGH THE RACIAL EQUITY LENS.

SO PLEASE, PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT WE ARE WORKING ON THAT HARD.

COOL.

UM, SO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A POINT.

I MADE THE SAME POINT WHEN WE HAD THE INITIAL PRESENTATION FOR THIS PROJECT AND FOR THIS PROPOSAL.

UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYONE HAS TOUCHED ON THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY WITH OUR, WITH THE ART THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO THINK OF THINGS IN CONTEXT AS WELL.

AND KNOWING THAT THERE IS KNOWING THAT THERE IS A FUTURE TRAIL, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A SATELLITE VIEW, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THIS PARTICULAR TRAIL AND TO THIS PROPERTY.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I FLOATED THE IDEA OF EVEN JUST HAVING LIKE AN ARCHWAY THAT WAS REALLY ORNATE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EXTENT.

SO I GUESS I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DIALOGUE HAS OCCURRED WHERE THAT SUGGESTION WAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT, BUT, UM, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ARE STILL HEAVILY CONSIDERING PAINTING A WALL.

DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON DOWNTOWN PAVERS.

THANK YOU FOR

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THAT COMMENT.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, UM, THAT CONCEPT OF THE GATEWAY, BUT, UM, PLEASE KNOW, AGAIN, THAT THIS CONVERSATION HAS EVEN EVEN STARTED YET WITH THE ARTIST OR THE COMMUNITY.

LIKE THEY, THEY NEED TO TELL US WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE SEEKING.

AND WE ALSO NEED THE ARTISTS TO WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEIR INSPIRATION IS.

UM, THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOLVING PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN THOUGHT OF YET.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE NEVER BEEN.

UM, WE COULDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO THINK OF THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF WORKING WITH ARTISTS.

AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO TRUST IN THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE, AND JUST BECAUSE STAFF IS TALKING ABOUT A MURAL DOES NOT MEAN THAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IF THIS IS WITHIN THE ARTISTS, UM, PURVIEW TO DETERMINE ALONG WITH THE ART AND PUBLIC PLACES, PANEL AND COMMUNITY, AND OF COURSE, PROJECT STAFF, UM, THE DESIGN TEAM AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

DID YOU HAVE SOME YEAH, CHAIR OFF AFTER ONE, ONE COMMENT, I GUESS, FOLLOWING UP ON THAT WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE INPUT OF THE ARTIST AND FURTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY GUIDING WHAT'S REALLY FINALLY HAPPENS.

AND I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

YOU KNOW, ONE THING I RECALL FROM THE EARLIER PRESENTATION ON THIS FACILITY IS SAID OUT IN THE PARKING LOT, OR KIND OF BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND ADJACENT TO THE MAIN BUILDING, I THINK THERE WAS A PAVILION SPACE.

UM, BUT THE IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A LOT OF 18 WHEELERS LINED UP HERE.

YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THEM OBVIOUSLY MAY STAY ON THEIR TRUCKS WHILE THEY IDLE AS, AS TRUCKERS OFF AND DO, BUT THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SPACE FOR TRUCK DRIVERS TO COME AND, UH, AND CONGREGATE OR RELAXED, UH, AT THE FACILITY.

AND SO PERHAPS THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE ARTIST, YOU KNOW, STARTS TO LOOK AT AND TAKES INSPIRATION AND SAYS, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT, IF THERE'S A WAY TO DO A MURAL HERE OR SOME, SOME SORT OF ART ELEMENT, YOU KNOW, THAT PAVILION OR CANOPY BECOMES AN ART ELEMENT IN OF ITSELF, YOU KNOW, AND STARTS TO ABSORB THE FUNDS FOR ART AND MAKES THAT REALLY THE SPECIAL PLACE.

UM, SO HOPEFULLY WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS APPROACH TO BE DIALED IN A LITTLE BIT INTO WHAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, THE COMMUNITY AND THE ARTIST AND ART IN PUBLIC PROGRAMS, UH, UH, DEPARTMENT ALL THINKS IS GOING TO BE A GOOD APPROACH.

SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT IDEA OUT THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU, SUE.

THANK YOU, CARA.

REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY.

THANK YOU FOR COMING AND PRESENTING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM ONE C

[1C. Discussion and possible action on Downtown Pavers.]

UM, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, DID YOU HAVE ANY UPDATE ON THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER? UH ROBLEDO AND I WALKED THE GENERAL VICINITY OF THE TWO PROJECTS THAT WE'LL HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING.

AND SINCE I'VE BEEN DOMINATING THAT DIALOGUE FOR SOME TIME, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HEAR FROM HER FIRST THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S YOU FINISHED? YEAH, NO.

AND ACTUALLY, UM, SO IT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL TO WALK THIS RADIUS DOWNTOWN AND TO HEAR FROM ANNE THAT HISTORY OF, UM, SOME OF THE GREAT STREETS AND SOME DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS THAT WE TALK ABOUT IN DESIGN COMMISSION, BUT THEN TO BE ON THE GROUND, I WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY.

THIS IS REALLY, REALLY SINKING IN.

SO I TOOK SEVERAL PHOTOS OF SOME DIFFERENT EXAMPLES, BUT, UM, I DID NOT GET THAT READY IN TIME.

I JUST REALIZED I'VE JUST PUT THAT TOGETHER TODAY SO THAT HOPEFULLY WHEN WE HAVE A FOLLOWUP DISCUSSION, I THOUGHT IT WOULD JUST BE VERY GOOD TO HAVE A VISUAL.

AND THEN MAYBE EVEN FOR THE SUPER NERDS THAT ARE OUT THERE TO GO ON A WALK THROUGH, YOU KNOW, NOT A QUORUM, BUT TO FEEL THE SITE, UM, WAS REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE BEING ON GROUND HELPED ME UNDERSTAND SOME OF MY CONFUSION, UM, REALLY WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THE BERLEY MARKS PROJECT.

AND, UM, WHEN,

[01:05:02]

FOR MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN THE PUBLIC'S LANDSCAPE THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR BY THE TAXPAYERS IS INSTALLED, BUT THEN FOR IT TO BE REMOVED BY A PRIVATE PARTNER, UM, IS THAT REALLY OKAY SINCE THE PUBLIC PAID FOR IT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S HELPFUL OR NOT.

I AM.

UM, BUT I WILL GET THOSE PHOTOS TOGETHER IN THOSE DESCRIPTIONS.

IT WAS, IT WAS JUST REALLY HELPFUL TO WALK THE SITE.

IT WAS REALLY GOOD.

I'LL, I'LL RESTATE AND RE SUMMARIZE WHAT, UH, WHAT I THINK IS GOING ON HERE.

GREAT STREETS DID NOT TACKLE THE GROUND PLANE ISSUE THOROUGHLY OR, WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT, UM, JANA MCCANN COULD ELIMINATE IF WE WANTED HER TO, BUT THIS MUCH, I DO KNOW THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT INSTALLED THOSE GREAT STREETS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW THAT ARE BEING IMPROVED WITH NEW BUILDINGS THAT WAS INSTALLED AS CIP PROJECTS, TAXPAYER FUNDED INSTALLATIONS IN RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT HAVE BELONGS TO THE PUBLIC, BELONGS TO THE CITY OF AUSTIN, BELONGS TO ALL OF US ON THIS CALL RIGHT NOW.

SO THE THOUGHT THAT WE ARE ALLOWING AS A, AS A CITY FOR THAT TO BE REMOVED FOR AN EXPRESSION BY AN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT SETS A PRECEDENT THAT I THINK IS THE BASIS FOR OUR CONCERN.

AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IN COMMISSIONER, WORLD BALLATO'S EXPERIENCE WHEN WE WALKED IT, THAT HER OPINION SHIFTED MORE TOWARDS MY CONCERN BY REALLY SEEING THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALLOWING AGAIN, PERSONAL SINGULAR EXPRESSION BY A DESIGNER AND OR CLIENT IN ALL OF OUR RIGHT OF WAYS FROM HERE ON OUT, IF WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT AS IT.

AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AS A, AGAIN, WE'RE ALL DESIGNED PROFESSIONALS IN SOME MANNER OR ANOTHER, BUT, UM, THE, THE SURFACE WHERE PEOPLE WALK IS A SIGNIFICANT UNIFYING ELEMENT, AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE TREES ARE, IN MY OPINION, THEY WORKED TOGETHER AS A WHOLE TO SORT OF HAVE CONTINUITY IN EVERY OTHER ELEMENT.

AND TO LET THE SURFACE JUST GO TO WHOMEVER FOR WHATEVER IS A HUGE MISTAKE AND WILL UNRAVEL THE VERY THING THAT THE GREAT STREETS PROGRAM IS ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH.

ARE THERE ISSUES SURROUNDING THIS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE? ABSOLUTELY, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE UNSURMOUNTABLE.

AND, UM, I THINK, I DON'T THINK IT OPENS UP THE CAN OF WORMS THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT EVERYTHING AT THE CITY OF AUSTIN HAS A CAN OF WORMS. EVERYTHING HAS RAMIFICATIONS.

SO THIS DOESN'T SCARE ME AS A, AS A PROFESSIONAL.

I JUST THINK WE NEED TO HUDDLE ON THIS, TAKE SOME ACTION ON IT AND, AND TRY TO, IF WE AGREE UPON IT, RESOLVE THIS MATTER IN SOME WAY.

AND I AM NOT COMMISSIONER ROBLEDO, YOU MAY MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE, BUT WE WERE COMING UP WITH, I THOUGHT SOME PRETTY SIMPLE WAYS TO REMEDY THIS.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE OVERLY COMPLEX OR RESTRICTIVE.

WE CAN GO INTO THAT LATER IN OUR, IN OUR GROUP.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I'VE FOUND REALLY INTERESTING WAS BECAUSE I'M DEFINITELY NOT WANTING TO QUOTE UNQUOTE, OPENED UP THE PANDORA'S BOX, BUT AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IDEAS, OF COURSE, WITH YOU GUYS WITH URBAN DESIGN, THAT EVEN EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT MAY BE, THOSE COULD BE OPTIONS BECAUSE THEY ALREADY EXIST VERSUS COMING IN WITH AN ENTIRELY NEW DESIGN LANGUAGE.

SO NOT TO RUIN EVERYBODY AND NOT TO LIKE, OR I'M SURE IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL CHALLENGING, BUT THERE ARE SOME REALLY GREAT SOLUTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT EXISTS TO SAY, OKAY, CAN IT MAY BE B YOU'RE PICKING FROM A, B AND C THAT SOMEWHAT TIE IN THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM THE WALK WAS SEEING THESE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.

AND, UM, AND I KNOW IT'S A BIGGER ISSUE IN TERMS OF OVERALL DESIGN, BUT AS YES, AS A CIVILIAN, UH, JUST THE CART BLANCHE OF LETTING PEOPLE PATCHWORK THE LANDSCAPE, IT'S AS GOOD AS I STATED INITIALLY, I DO BELIEVE THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.

IT'S THE, IT'S THE LONG TERM RESOLUTION THAT IS ISSUE.

NUMBER ONE THAT MAY TAKE SOME TIME AND SOME EFFORT, BUT THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE IS I THINK THERE IS A BASIS, IF NOT IN LEGALITIES, CERTAINLY IN PRACTICALITY THAT YOU CAN'T REMOVE SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU,

[01:10:02]

PERIOD.

I MEAN, I ASSUME THAT IS THE, OBVIOUSLY THE PRACTICALITY OF DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY IS THAT ANY, ANYTHING IN THAT PUBLIC RIGHT-AWAY WOULD BE DESTROYED DURING CONSTRUCTION ANYWAYS, SO THEY'RE ALLOWING THEM TO REMOVE IT AND REPLACE IT.

BUT TO YOUR POINT, THEY'RE NOT REPLACING IT WITH THE SAME THING THEY REMOVED.

UH, EVEN DOWN TO THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN VERY BIG TREES BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH SMALL TREES.

UH, SO IT'S, IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REDUCING THE PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A TREE THAT COULD GROW, BUT TO COME BACK WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN THE ORIGINAL INTENT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

UM, SO UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE RUNNING LOW ON TIME ON THIS MEETING, BUT WOULD YOU WOULD, UM, YOU ALL BE WILLING TO CRAFT SOME LANGUAGE TO BE ABLE TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION FOR NEXT TIME THAT WE CAN DISCUSS? AND BECAUSE I I'M TOTALLY SUPPORTIVE OF, UM, APPROVING SOME RESOLUTIONS TO SEND THE COUNCIL, I'LL SEE IF WE CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES.

I THINK, I THINK OUR RESTART, WE STARTED ON OUR SITE VISIT WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE AND YES WE CAN.

THERE'S SOME DRAFT LANGUAGE AND SEND IT TO AARON SO WE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO EVERYONE, UH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

THAT WILL BE BEST.

WE CAN DO IT IF I CAN, IF I CAN QUICKLY JUST CHIME IN REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME.

SO YEAH.

UM, I WAS AT CITY CITY STAFF.

WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN ONGOING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LAW DEPARTMENT, UM, WITH THIS ISSUE.

AND I, UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T PROVIDE THE DETAILS, BUT I'M SO FAR FROM WHAT WE'RE TOLD IS IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE AS COMMISSIONER COLEMAN STATED IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE.

IT IS MORE OF A PRACTICALITY ISSUE.

UM, SO THE CHALLENGE WITH THIS IS THAT IN THE STANDARDS FOR GRAY STREETS, THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING THAT'S SPECIFICALLY STATE WHAT CAN BE REPLACED AND THE TYPE OF PAVERS AND ALL THAT.

SO IT LEAVES A LOT OF ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION.

SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO COME IN AND RIP OUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE PAVERS AND REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING ELSE, AS LONG AS THEY ARE WITHIN THE GREAT STREET STANDARDS, THEY ARE CONSIDERED COMPLIANT.

SO LEGAL, UH, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT STATE, IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE, UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE STANDARDS.

AND THEN AS FAR AS WE KNOW AT STAFF, THERE ISN'T ANY OVERARCHING CITY ORDINANCE OR, OR POLICY THAT STATES THAT THEY HAVE TO REPLACE.

UM, IT LIKE FOR LIFE, FROM WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

SO WE ARE CONTINUING DISCUSSIONS.

WE ARE TRYING TO CRAFT SOME SORT OF CATALOG WHERE, UH, THIS IS LONGTERM THAT WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF PAPER MATERIALS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE FROM.

THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE STANDARDS.

AGAIN, THIS IS LONG TERM IN THE SHORT TERM, WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON A WRITTEN POLICY THAT STATES SIMILAR TO WHAT ANNE'S CONCERN, SORRY, COMMISSIONER, COLEMAN'S CONCERN IT TO HAVE THEM REPLACE WHATEVER THEY, WHATEVER WAS THERE.

THERE WAS A CIP PROJECT.

THEY HAVE TO REPLACE IT WITH WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.

UM, WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF DISCUSSING HOW THAT'S GOING TO COME ABOUT.

UM, BUT TO YOUR SIT, JUSTIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD STAFF THAT JUST THAT THE COMMISSIONER DOES IS TO WRITE A LETTER TO COUNCIL, UM, TO GET THE BALL ROLLING SO THEY CAN GET THEIR EYES ON IT.

THEN COUNCIL WILL GIVE US THAT DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED SO WE CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS BECAUSE, UM, IT, IT, I, IT ADMITTINGLY, I WOULD SAY THAT, YEAH, THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCREPANCIES THAT WE'RE FINDING WITHIN THE GRADE THREE STANDARDS, AND PERHAPS THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE THE IMPETUS FOR US TO BEGIN REVISING AND UPDATING A LOT OF THOSE STANDARDS.

I, UM, I DON'T HAVE, I WASN'T IN THAT MEETING, THIS WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED DOWN TO ME, BUT I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU, UM, SOMETIME EARLY NEXT WEEK AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

AND, AND TO HIS POINT, UH, COMMISSIONER COLEMAN, UM, YOUR LANGUAGE DOESN'T NECESSARILY REALLY NEED TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

JUST, JUST IDENTIFY IT AND KNOW THAT, UM, SOME, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND AS AARON SAID, I THINK WE CAN GET COUNCIL TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION, AND THEN WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AT THAT POINT TO PROVIDE SOME INPUT ON, ON SOLUTIONS.

UM, SO I'M, I'M GLAD Y'ALL ARE DOING THAT.

THAT'S FANTASTIC.

I'VE GOT TO ASK, JUST CAUSE I'M CURIOUS, DID YOU ASK IT ABOUT LEGAL AS A CODE ISSUE OR AS A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE?

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IT'S NOT CODE, I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE OR EVEN THE, THE GUIDELINES OF GREAT STREETS, BUT THE ISSUE IS, YOU KNOW, CAN I REMOVE A BUS STOP THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PUT IN MY OWN DESIGN OF A BUS STOP? THAT'S THE QUESTION? IT MEANS, YOU KNOW, JUST CURIOUS.

RIGHT.

A APPROVAL OF THE JUNE 22ND MEETING MINUTES.

UM, WELL RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

SO WE'LL GO TO THESE NEXT COUPLE ITEMS REAL QUICK ITEM TWO,

[2A. Approval of the June 22nd meeting minutes;]

UM, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE SECOND? THERE'S THE SECOND ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ANYONE ABSTAINED THAT WAS EVERYONE.

HEY, THOSE ARE APPROVED ITEM TO BE

[2B. LiaisonReports: report from collaborative commissions from their most recent meeting]

THE LIAISON REPORTS.

I'M SURE FRANCO'S NOT HERE.

UH, VICE CHAIR.

HER NOW WE'RE BLAIR.

DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO, YEAH.

SO DOWNTOWN COMMISSION MET TODAY.

SUPER INTERESTING.

THEY WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE QUESTION OF EXPANDING THE DOWNTOWN CONVENTION CENTER AND REALLY MEANING JUST LIKE WITH THE PANDEMIC ENDEMIC HAPPENING, WHAT IS DOWNTOWN'S EXPOSURE TO THESE CHANGES AND SO FORTH.

SO I JUST FOUND THAT REALLY INTERESTING IN HOW THEY WANT IT TO BE ON TOP OF BEING INFORMED OF LIKE THE HEALTHY STREETS INITIATIVE.

SO IT WAS MORE LIKE BROADER STUFF, BUT THAT'S ALL.

THREE EIGHT CHAIR ANNOUNCEMENTS.

AND, UH, FOR ME THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, UH, WE, WE'VE JUST FOCUSED ON THE, MAINLY ON THE CLIMATE PLAN REVISION AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO GET, BRING A BRIEFING TO DESIGN.

UM, OKAY.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY THREE B ITEMS FROM COMMISSION MEMBERS

[3B. Items from Commission Members;]

FOR SURE.

COLUMN.

UH, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON OUR PRESENTATION ON FUNCTIONAL GREEN? HAS THAT BEEN SCHEDULED THERE? SO, UM, I SPOKE TO JORGE ABOUT THAT.

I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE.

UM, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON WHEN THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

UM, APPARENTLY THERE'S SOME LEGAL ISSUES AND WITH THE NEW CODE THAT IS BEING ARE TRYING TO BE IMPLEMENTED, WE AREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, AN ANSWER AS TO WHEN WE CAN HAVE THAT SCHEDULE.

UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT JORGE HAS BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH, WITH OUR ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, JERRY.

UM, THIS WAS INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED DOWN TO HIM, WHICH WAS PASSED ON TO MEET HOPEFULLY, UM, WE'LL HEAR SOME CHANGES IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, BUT AS OF NOW, THERE'S SOME SORT OF ISSUES IN TERMS OF LEGAL WITH THE NEW CODE WHERE WE AREN'T ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY SORT OF BRIEFING, IF ANYTHING, TIE TO THE NEW CODE THAT IS TRYING TO BE PASSED.

FINANCIALLY AS WITH SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES.

I ASSUME THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE LAWSUIT AND THE CURRENT APPEAL PROCESS THAT'S TAKING PLACE.

UM, THAT BEING SAID, I I'VE BEEN TOLD, UH, THE STAFF WAS GOING TO RELEASE A THIRD DRAFT VERY SOON, UH, BASED ON COUNSEL'S LAST MEETING.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I'LL LOOK OUT FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE.

WE'LL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO TRACK THAT COMMISSIONER COLEMAN.

UH, THERE'S A, WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET, UH, BRIEFINGS ON THE COMMISSION, BUT THAT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM, BUT, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT LAWSUIT, I MEAN THAT NEW CODE, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON.

SO WE'VE GOT SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THAT.

UH, DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING MISSING OR MINORS? YEAH.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE KIND OF A THOUGHT THAT I'VE HAD, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME OR VENUE FOR IT, BUT I KNOW THAT A LOT OF US HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALL CONVERSATIONS WITH DEVELOPERS IN THOSE WORKING COMMISSIONS.

UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN PAINFULLY AWARE OF IS THE STRUGGLE THAT A LOT OF OUR LIVE MUSIC VENUES ARE EXPERIENCING

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UM, AND I JUST TO VOICE THAT, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US WITHIN THE DESIGN COMMISSION TO, UM, BE PROACTIVE AND ADVOCATE FOR MUSIC VENUES, PERHAPS AS PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR MEETING THE DESIGN STANDARD.

SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO, UM, TAKE THAT AND PUT IT INTO ACTION, BUT I JUST, IT'S SOMETHING I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT A LOT.

UM, YEAH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT.

UM, I GUESS THE PRACTICALITY OF THAT WOULD BE TO MAKE ANYTHING ENFORCEABLE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE SOME KIND OF CURRENT ORDINANCE CODE, UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY RECOMMEND, UM, ITEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I WAS THINKING SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE APPROVED, EVEN IF WE WERE TO SAY, HEY, A COMMUNITY BENEFIT COULD BE ADDING A SPACE THAT IS CONVERTIBLE, UH, AT ANY POINT IN TIME TO A MUSIC VENUE.

YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT CAN BE COOL.

SO THAT'S ALL I LIKE TO DO.

UM, DID ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY.

I THINK MUSIC VENUES ARE ALREADY IN THE URBAN DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR, UH, UH, SORRY IN THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT.

JUST, NOBODY DOES THEM.

NOBODY DOES THEM, I GUESS THEY DON'T HAVE THE DEDICATED SPACE, BUT THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

DISCUSS MORE OPTION.