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          IT IS TWO OH FIVE. 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
WE ARE CONVENING THIS MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          I AM CHAIR OF THIS COMMITTEE, COUNCIL MEMBER, JIMMY FLANAGAN. 
          WE ARE ON THE VIRTUAL DYESS. 
          UH, OUR AGENDA TODAY, UH, HAS THREE ITEMS ON IT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY METRICS CENTERED AROUND THE MAYOR PRO TIM'S ITEM 50 FROM JUNE 11TH. 
          WE WILL DIG INTO THE CITY BUDGET, UH, SPECIFICALLY AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL, UH, DO A HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATION ABOUT NINE ONE ONE CALL CENTER DATA, INCLUDING THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS USED BY AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION, AND SOME WORDS FROM STAFF. 
          UH, WE HAVE A PANEL OF STAFF FOR EACH OF THESE ITEMS, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PANEL OF STAFF FOR EACH OF THESE ITEMS. I WILL DO MY BEST TO PULL PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THE MEETING AS WE WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT. 
          UM, AS, AS I ALWAYS LIKE TO START A MEETING WITH, UH, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A TECHNOLOGY CHECK IN, UH, I CAN SEE EVERYBODY ON MY SCREEN. 
          SO IF YOU NEED TO SPEAK, YOU CAN RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          IF YOU FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, YOU CAN ALSO USE THE RAISED HAND FEATURE. 
          THAT'S PART OF WEBEX. 
          I WILL WATCH FOR BOTH. 
          UM, I AM ALSO GOING TO BE MUTING YOU. 
          IF YOU FORGET TO MUTE YOURSELF, PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. 
          IT WORKS BETTER IF YOU STAY MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING. 
          UH, BUT JUST KEEP AN EYE ON THAT TO UNMUTE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU SPEAK, BECAUSE YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND AS, AS A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC, AS WE DO THESE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETINGS, THESE MEETINGS ARE NOT SCHEDULED FOR ACTION. 
          WE DON'T ACTUALLY TAKE VOTES OR WE'RE NOT PLANNING TO TAKE ANY VOTES IN THESE CONVENINGS. 
          THIS IS TO DIG INTO THE WORK THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE, UH, HAS ROUGHLY ESSENTIALLY BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL THROUGH RESOLUTION AND WORK THAT WE KNOW THE COUNCIL WILL BE ADOPTING IN SHORT ORDER, NAMELY THE CITY BUDGET. 
          SO HOPEFULLY TODAY, WHAT WE CAN DO IS DAYLIGHT. 
          THE GENERAL AREAS OF ISSUE, HELP FOCUS, UH, THE WORK OF THE STAFF AND SET UP THE COUNCIL FOR SUCCESS AS IT GOES INTO BUDGET, HEARINGS AND BUDGET WORK SESSIONS OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ON THAT PART OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DIG IN OUR FIRST ITEM, 
          [1. Discussion on safety metrics.]
A DISCUSSION ON SAFETY METRICS. 
          WE HAVE ONE GUEST JOINING US, UH, MS. STYLES, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO CONTRIBUTE. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ADDRESS YOU ALL. 
          UM, HELLO, CHIEF. 
          HELLO, TROY. 
          UH, CHIEF GAY. 
          HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS IN A WHILE. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          FARRAH IS ALWAYS GREAT TO SEE YOU. 
          UM, SO JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT MYSELF, BUT THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW MY NAME IS MIMI STYLES. 
          UM, I GET TO BE THE PRESIDENT AND THE FOUNDER OF MEASURE WHERE RESEARCH, UM, IN PUBLIC EDUCATION ORGANIZATION THAT REALLY LIKES TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY NEEDS THROUGH DATA ACTIVISM, UM, AND THEN ALSO PUBLIC EDUCATION. 
          AND SO OUR MISSION IS TO USE DATA AND EDUCATION TO MOBILIZE COMMUNITIES, TO ELIMINATE SOCIAL DISPARITIES. 
          AND SO BEFORE I GET INTO THE MEAT, WHICH I'M REALLY EXCITED TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE, ON THIS SIDE OF THE DISCUSSION, A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL TO HAPPEN, BUT THAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED THROUGH ITEM 50. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UM, PROVIDE A DEFINITION OF PUBLIC SAFETY THAT YOU MAY, WILL THEN SHARE. 
          YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF I'M SURE. 
          CONSIDERED. 
          UM, BUT JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND MEASURE RECOGNIZES PUBLIC SAFETY AND IT'S APPLIED METRICS HOLISTICALLY, UM, YEAH. 
          FACILITATING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN ORDER TO IMPROVE COMMUNITY RELATIONS AND DECREASE COMMUNITY HARM. 
          AND SO FOR THAT, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, DREAMT UP THIS, THIS, UM, DEFINITION OF WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          WE ALWAYS, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY AND REDEFINING PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND SO FOR US, UM, AND I CAN, I'LL SEND THIS TO YOU LATER, CAUSE IT'S A MOUTHFUL, BUT PUBLIC SAFETY TO MEASURE IS A RADICAL SYSTEMS APPROACH TO THE PROTECTION OF LIFE, HEALTH OR PROPERTY WHEREBY THAT SYSTEM THINK OF A COMPUTER. 
          SO WHEREBY THAT SYSTEM, UM, IS A UNIT TOTALLY DEPENDENT ON EACH COMPONENT RESULTING IN THE OBLIGATION OF DANGER TO THE PUBLIC AND RESULTING IN THE RESTORATIVE COMMUNITY HEALING REQUIRED TO UNDO INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. 
          AND SO THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING BEYOND ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, SO PUBLIC SAFETY IS FOUNDATIONAL TO AMERICAN SOCIETY. 
          UM, IT HAPPENS BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE, UM, UH, YEAH, IT'S BASED IN PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN, UM, THE PUBLIC AND THE INSTITUTIONS AND INSTITUTIONS 
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AS MUTUAL STAKE HOLDERS IN MAINTAINING A SAFE AND FUNCTIONAL COMMUNITY OR COMMUNITIES. 
          I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHY I MAKE THAT PLURAL. 
          AND SO DEFINING A PERFORMANCE MEASURE IS ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT, UM, FOR, FOR MEASURE AS WE KIND OF THINK THROUGH THIS WORK. 
          AND SO I WAS INSPIRED BY THIS WOMAN AND AUSTRALIA, UH, YEARS AGO AND HER NAME IS STACEY BARR, ONE OF THE MOST FORWARD THINKING, UM, PEOPLE WHEN IT COMES TO PERFORMANCE MEASURE CREATION. 
          UM, AND AS YOU KNOW, IN AUSTRALIA, THEY THINK VERY LEAN. 
          AND SO I LOVED HER APPROACH AND I ACTUALLY APPLIED THAT TO THE WORD THAT WE DO WORK AT MEASURE BACK IN 2015. 
          AND SO ACCORDING TO HER, A PERFORMANCE MEASURE IS A QUANTIFICATION THAT PROVIDES OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE TO THE DEGREE TO WHICH A PERFORMANCE RESULT IS OCCURRING OVER TIME. 
          AND SO AGAIN, WE, SO THINKING THROUGH THAT FRAMEWORK, UM, THIS IS SORT OF THE WAY THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH SOME OF THESE IDEAS THAT I'LL PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. 
          AND SO COUNCIL'S DECISION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 50, REALLY. 
          FETTES A NEW MANDATE FOR THE CITY OF DEVELOP A TRANSFORMATIVE APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY, JUST LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DEFINITION THAT I GAVE A MINUTE AGO, SO MEASURE BELIEVES THAT ALL SYSTEMS OF SYSTEMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY MUST COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER WITH ONE ANOTHER, I'M SORRY, IN ORDER FOR THOSE GOALS TO BE REACHED, BUT FOR THIS BREAK TODAY, I'LL JUST FOCUS ON HOW APDS METRICS SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE OF THIS TRANSFORMATION. 
          SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE ATTENDING THAT DON'T KNOW JUNE 11TH, THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THE FAULT JUSTICE RELATED POLICY GOALS OR THE SAFETY OUTCOME OF STRATEGIC DIRECTION, 2023, ZERO RACIAL DISPARITIES AND MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS ZERO RACIAL DISPARITIES AND, UM, AND CITATIONS AND ARRESTING RESULTING FROM MOTOR VEHICLE STOPS BY 2023 ZERO USE OF FORCE INCIDENTS BY 2023, ZERO DEATHS AT THE HANDS OF APD OFFICERS BY 2023. 
          I LOVE MEASURES LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, AND SO MEASURE RECOMMEND LOCAL GOVERNMENT LEADERS STRATEGICALLY ALIGN THESE LONGTERM 2023. 
          YOU CAN, THAT'S KIND OF RELATIVELY LONGTERM, BUT, UM, COMMUNITY IMPACT GOALS TO AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S CURRENT PERFORMANCE METRICS AS A RESULT, THE CITY COULD ACHIEVE DATA INFORMED, UM, UH, BALANCED BY USING APDS METRICS TO CREATE SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT COMMUNITIES IN AUSTIN. 
          AND SO WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE LIVED EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN AUSTIN, UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT IT, JUST BEING ONE ABOUT IT AND NOT JUST BEING ONE COMMUNITY AND THAT THERE'S SEVERAL COMMUNITIES IN AUSTIN, RIGHT? DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHERE YOU LIVE. 
          UM, AND SO MEASURE RECOMMENDS DATA AND METRICS ALWAYS BE DESEGREGATED BY RACE, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, AND ALSO CITY DISTRICT LOCATION JUST TO GAIN, UM, MORE AT AN EVEN MORE EQUITY DRIVEN INSIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AFTER REALLY DIGESTING METH, I REALIZED THAT I LINING THE GOALS THAT ARE SET AND RESOLUTION 50 WILL ACTUALLY BE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT A RADICAL OVERHAUL TO THE CURRENT PERFORMANCE MEASURES CAPTURED BY APD GOALS PROVIDED IN THAT RESOLUTION CALL FOR A DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY THAN CURRENT OPERATIONS. 
          SO SINCE THE GOALS AND RESOLUTION 50 ARE CENTERED AROUND ERADICATING RACIAL DISPARITY BY 2023, THEN METRICS CAPTURED BY APD WILL NEED TO ALIGN TO MEASURE THESE OUTCOMES STRATEGICALLY. 
          AND SO I STAYED UP LAST NIGHT DOING SOME BRIEF ANALYSIS, BRIEF ANALYSIS ON JUST A FEW OF THE METRICS ON APDS PERFORMANCE MEASURE WEBSITE, AND MANY OF THEM POINT TO POSSIBLE AND CONSISTENCIES AND DATA CAPTURED. 
          UM, AND THEY POINT TO OPPORTUNITIES TO TELL A BETTER STORY THROUGH PROFESSIONAL MEASURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND SO AS ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION, WE RECOMMEND THAT MORE ANALYSIS AND RESEARCH BE CONDUCTED BY AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION TO FULLY ASSESS THE CURRENT METRICS. 
          AND OF COURSE INVOLVE THE COMMUNITY IN THE PROCESS. 
          SO JUST A VERY QUICK SHORT LIST OF 
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A COUPLE, UM, THAT I'VE, THAT I PULLED OUT, UH, THE FIRST ONE WAS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. 
          IT WAS UNDER THE TRAP OF THE ENFORCEMENT METRIC AND IT MEASURES TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THERE WAS A COUPLE THAT TO WATCH. 
          TWO OF THEM REALLY STOOD OUT. 
          THE FIRST ONE WAS THE NUMBER OF DWI ARREST AND, AND THE, AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE, THE RATE OF SERIOUS INJURY PRODUCING CRASHES FOR 1000 POPULATION, BUT THOSE SHOULD BE MEASURED TO CORRELATE. 
          SO INSTEAD OF MEASURING THE RATE OF SERIOUS INJURY, SO INSTEAD, SORRY, THEY, YOU SHOULD MEASURE THE RATE OF SERIOUS INJURY PRODUCING CRASHES AS A RESULT OF A PERSON DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ALCOHOL. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD PRODUCE, UM, UH, YOUR ABILITY TO REALLY ASSESS THIS AS A PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. 
          ANOTHER OTHER ONE WAS, UH, UNDER THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT METRIC AND WAS THE NUMBER OF CITATION VIOLATIONS ISSUED BY APD. 
          AND SO THIS ONE, AGAIN, IF ALIGNING TO THOSE GOALS SHOULD REPORT THIS METRIC WITH DIS-AGGREGATED DATA THAT SHARES THE DEMOGRAPHIC COMPOSITION OF THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE CITATION AND WHICH DISTRICT THEY, THAT CITATION WAS GIVEN. 
          THOSE KINDS OF MAPS WILL REALLY HELP US TO UNDERSTAND EQUITY. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER WAS, UM, UH, UNDER THE PATROL METRIC. 
          AND SO THIS WAS THE NUMBER OF ARRESTS BY APD. 
          AND SO THIS ONE ONLY REPORTS DATA FROM 2019. 
          SO WHILE THE DEPARTMENT, UH, SAYS, AND ON THAT, ON THE WEBSITE, THAT THIS IS A NEW METRIC, I DO BELIEVE THAT HISTORICAL DATA SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO BE INCLUDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING, UM, COMPARISON DATA, UM, UNDERSTANDING SOME BENCHMARKS. 
          AND ADDITIONALLY, APD SHOULD ALSO REPORT THIS METRIC WITH DIS-AGGREGATED DATA THAT SHOWS THE DEMOGRAPHIC COMPOSITION OF THOSE WHO WERE ARRESTED, AND THEN WHICH AGAIN, CITY COUNCIL THAT THAT ARREST TOOK PLACE, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN, I THINK I STARTED MY WORK AROUND THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS DATA, UM, BACK IN 2015. 
          AND SO MEASURING COMMUNITY SATISFACTION RATE IS SO COMPLEX AND IT SHOULD BE APPROACHED LIKE THAT AS WELL. 
          AND SO THERE'S SEVERAL VARIABLES THAT MEASURE RECOMMENDS BE CONSIDERED WHEN DETERMINING COMMUNITY APPROVAL, THE METHODOLOGY OF HOW THE DATA WAS COLLECTED, WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE DATA, SET THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THOSE WHO WERE SURVEYED, WHAT DISTRICT THEY LIVE IN, UM, AND MORE SHOULD BE REALLY TRACKED WITH THIS INDICATOR WHO GOT THE SURVEY, WHO DIDN'T GET THE SURVEY IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, OVER X AMOUNT PERCENT APPROVED, UM, OF, OF APS OPERATIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THE DATA COMPRISING, THIS WAS UNDER SPECIAL OPERATIONS AND THE DATA COMPRISING THE PERCENT OF CRITICAL INCIDENTS RESPONDED TO BY SPECIAL OPERATIONS THAT RESULTS IN NO INJURIES, OR THAT RESULTED IN NO INJURIES TO OFFICERS HOSTAGE PASSAGES OR THE PUBLIC, THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE RISK REASSESSED. 
          IT COULD BE ACCURATE. 
          I'M NOT SURE, BUT CURRENTLY APD IS REPORTING 100 OR EACH YEAR, UM, WITH A TARGET FOR 2020 BEING 102. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE 2017, 100 2018, 100 2019 100 TARGET FOR 20 2100. 
          SO JUST NOT SURE, JUST ADDING THAT ONE AS ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE REASSESSED. 
          AND SO BACK IN 2018 MEASURE DID PROVIDE, UM, A RECOMMENDATION TO, WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT FORTH A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD REQUIRE APD TO PUBLISH REQUIRED THE REGULAR, SORRY, USE OF FORCE DATA. 
          THAT WAS DIS-AGGREGATING. 
          BUT UNFORTUNATELY THIS WAS LARGELY NOT ENFORCED. 
          SO TO ENSURE THAT THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN TO RESOLUTION 15, A MEASURE SEEKS TO INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL CRUCIAL MEASURES, AGAIN, TO TELL A MORE ACCURATE STORY OF THE DEPARTMENT'S PERFORMANCE AND TO ASSESS THE DESIRED COMMUNITY POLICING OUTCOMES. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEM ALL, BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS WAS A RESOLUTION THAT WAS PASSED AND VOTED AND WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN A WAY, BUT IT WAS NOT, UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF OUR MEASURES THAT WE DID PROVIDE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND I'LL MENTION THOSE ONES TOO, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND NUMBER ONE, LIKE THE PERCENT REDUCTION IN OVERALL, YOU SUPPORT SOME DEADLY DIS-AGGREGATED BY DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION. 
          AGAIN, THIS ALIGNS DIRECTLY WITH RESOLUTION 50, THE PERCENT AND NUMBER OF INTERACTIONS LEADING TO CRITICAL INCIDENCES LIKE SHOOTINGS 
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OR SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, JUST AGGREGATED BY DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION. 
          AGAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, LEADS TO, TO THE GOALS OF RESOLUTION, 50, SEVERAL MORE PERCENT OF OFFICER'S SUSPENSIONS FOR MISCONDUCT OR SUSPENSION IS NOT OVERTURNED OR REDUCED UPON A PILL. 
          UM, THERE THERE'S ONE THAT WAS, THAT WAS PROVIDED AND IT LOOKS LIKE HAS BEEN ADOPTED ON THE WEBSITE, ON THE KPI WEBSITE FOR APD, AND THAT'S THE PERCENT CASE CLEARANCE RATES BY TYPE OF THING FENCE. 
          AND SO, UM, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WAS THE NUMBER OF RESIDENT COMPLAINTS AND THE NUMBER OF THOSE COMPLAINTS INVESTIGATED. 
          IT'S NOT CLEAR. 
          I HONESTLY, I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED MORE INFORMATION TO COMPARE THIS DATA AGAINST, UM, THE OFFICE OF THE POLICE MONITORS DATA, TO BE SURE IF THIS DATA IS, UM, IS ACCURATE AND UP TO DATE, SOME OTHER ONES ARE, UM, JUST AGAIN, A RESIDENT SATISFACTION, THEY CONSISTENT ANNUAL SURVEY PROTOCOL IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND THEN HAVING THAT INFORMATION DIS-AGGREGATED BY CITY DISTRICT AND DEMOGRAPHIC CHARACTERISTICS, SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS, GENDER, RACE, ETHNICITY, NATIONALITY, ZIP CODE. 
          AND WE REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND POLICE OFFICER AND STAFF JOB SATISFACTION. 
          IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE BEING COGNIZANT OF THOSE THAT ARE ON THE FRONT LINES, UM, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW THEY ARE, UM, FEELING ABOUT BEING SUPPORTED AND FEELING ABOUT DOING THEIR JOBS EVERY DAY. 
          AND SO IN THIS PRESENTATION, I'LL END WITH THIS, UM, MEASURE HAS PRESENTED A THEORETICAL FRAMEWORK THAT GIVES FULL PRIORITY TO THE COMMUNITY COMPRISING OF ALL PEOPLE IMPACTED AND WORKING TO ELIMINATE DANGER IN AUSTIN, TEXAS, WE'VE CALLED THIS FRAMEWORK, THE SYSTEMS OF SYSTEMS OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          WE PRESENTED A DEFINITION THAT REACTS TO THE CALL TO REIMAGINE POLICING AND PUBLIC SAFETY INCORPORATING THE VITAL NEED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY, TO THINK HOLISTICALLY AND TO THINK WITH HEALING AT THE CENTER TO ACHIEVE A MORE JUST AND LESS RACIST SYSTEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          AND SO, AND, YOU KNOW, EFFECTIVE TRANSFORMATION INVOLVES MEASURING THE IMPACT OF PROGRAMS AND POLICIES THAT ARE TO WORK FOR THE PEOPLE WE SHOULD INVOLVE. 
          THE PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY PERTINENT TO THIS DISCUSSION MEASURE RECOGNIZES THAT METRIC DEVELOPMENT HAS TRADITIONALLY LEFT OUT THE ROLE OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO WHEN THE NEED TO FIX THE CURRENT METRIC SYSTEM AT APD AND ALIGN THEM WITH RESOLUTION FIFTIES GOALS MEASURE SUGGESTS AGAIN THAT AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT WORK WITH THE DEPARTMENT INCORPORATING THE COMMUNITY TO REDEVELOP KPIS THAT REFLECT THE AFFIRMATION, THE AFFIRMATION SUGGESTIONS. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, WHEN I TELL YOU ALL, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND TO ADDRESS YOU ALL. 
          AND IT'S REALLY GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY IN PERSON AGAIN, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HOUSE FOR, FOR JOINING US. 
          I THINK, UH, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ARIANNA, YOU WANTED TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE STAFF SIDE, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          SHARE A FLAT AGAIN. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME FIRST OF ALL? YES. 
          SOUND GOOD. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S REALLY AN EARLY START TO THE DIRECTION PROVIDED IN, UM, AS RELATION, UH, ZERO FIVE, ZERO AS I WOULD REFER TO IT. 
          UH, MS. STYLES DID REFER TO SOME OF THE, UH, POINTS OF DIRECTION, UH, THAT ARE IN THERE WITH REGARDS TO THE METRICS CENTER, UH, DESIRED TO BE PUT IN PLACE. 
          I'LL JUST BROADLY SAY THAT THE MEETINGS AREN'T IN PROGRESS IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT FIRST, HOW TO PUT THESE METRICS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CLEARLY, UM, IDENTIFIED IN THE RESOLUTION INTO OUR STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS, A DASHBOARD THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO DERIVE A NUMBER OF THE METRICS. 
          SOME OF WHICH MS. STYLES IS MENTIONING, AND THAT WORK IS HAPPENING BETWEEN THE OPPOSITE FORM PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, UH, AT LEAST DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE OPPOSITE, UH, POLICE OVERSIGHT AND THE INNOVATIONS OFFICE. 
          I THINK I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THOSE BROAD COMMENTS AND SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS AND REALLY, UM, BE RESPONSIVE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE MAY HAVE. 
          SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, ALL OF, WE HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE FROM THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE, UM, READY TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS. 
          YOU MAY HAVE PRETEND GARZA. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MISS 
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STYLES, YOU BEAUTIFULLY, UM, SUMMARIZE THE GOALS OF, OF ITEM OF ITEM 50 AND, UM, AND ALSO RIGHTFULLY, UM, EXPLAINED HOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT ONLY WHAT MAYBE THE ITEM THAT MEASURE HAD IN 2018, BUT, UM, MANY TIMES AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE, UH, PUT FORWARD RESOLUTIONS AND IT, UM, UNFORTUNATELY DOESN'T, UH, THINGS WE DON'T SEE THE RESULTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE FROM THERE. 
          AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, UM, I'M CURIOUS TO WHY OPM WAS, UM, PICKED TO TAKE THE LEAD WHILE WE, THEY WERE PART OF THE RESOLUTION IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LAID OUT DEPARTMENTS THAT SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS, WHICH INCLUDE INNOVATION, EQUITY, OPO. 
          UM, BECAUSE I GUESS I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT, WE WANT SOME ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS AND I LIKED, I LIKED THE, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION OF AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. 
          AND SO TWO QUESTIONS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTENT IS CLEAR THAT ABOUT WANTING ACTION, ACTIONABLE RECOMMENDATIONS, NOT JUST A DASHBOARD, NOT JUST A REGURGITATION, SO TO SPEAK OF, OF DATA THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, THAT THIS IS WANTING TO TAKE A WHOLE NEW LOOK AND, AND, AND THINKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY IN A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          THAT'S NOT DRIVEN BY REPORTING JUST CRIMES AND HOW WE RESPOND TO THEM. 
          BUT LIKE, UM, THE EXAMPLES THAT MS STYLES GAVE HER PERFECT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE WE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS? ARE WE ASKING FOR THE RIGHT DATA IN THE RIGHT KIND OF CONTEXT? UM, SO, SO I GUESS FIRST QUESTION, WHY, WHY DID WE CHOOSE OPM TO LEAD? SO IF I MAY, UH, MAYOR FOR TIM, I THINK IT, IT WAS KIND OF THE LOGICAL CHOICE. 
          SO FOR THE OPPOSITE PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT, SINCE IT HAS THE OVERALL RESPONSIBILITY OF ORCHESTRATING CHANGES AND UPDATES TO THE STRATEGIC DIRECTIONS DASHBOARD, OR, UM, OVERALL FRAMEWORK, HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT CERTAINLY THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY WITH REGARDS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT, THEN INNOVATIONS OFFICE AND EQUITY OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING REALLY FALL IN, UH, UNDER AND, UM, ADDRESS THOSE COMPONENTS OF THE RESOLUTION. 
          IT CERTAINLY IS MORE THAN JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT THE METRICS ARE THAT ARE CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED AND, OR METRICS THAT MIGHT BE, UM, FURTHER DEVELOPED. 
          AND CLEARLY THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WORK OF THE DEPARTMENTS OTHER THAN, UH, THE OPPOSITE PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT. 
          SO WHILE OPM IS IDENTIFIED, IT POTENTIALLY AS THE LEAD DEPARTMENT, CLEARLY THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT I JUST MENTIONED ARE GONNA BE TAKING LEAD IN DEVELOPING THOSE METRICS. 
          THE, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT WORK EFFORT AROUND IDENTIFYING, UH, LET'S SEE HERE IMPLEMENTING REMEDIAL STRATEGIES TO ACHIEVE REVISED, UH, UH, JUSTICE RELATED POLICY GOALS. 
          AND CLEARLY THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WORK, UH, THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO BE DOING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE, THE OTHER THREE OFFICES THAT ARE INVOLVED. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING OURSELVES IN A POSITION THAT WHEN WE, WHEN WE ARE POLICING OURSELVES, SO TO SPEAK, UM, THERE ARE LIKE CONCESSIONS GIVEN, RIGHT? THERE'S IF, IF THE, IF ONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS THINKS IT'S LIKE, WE, WE, WE THINK WITHIN THIS BOX BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BE, AND I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT THE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS WHAT LET'S SAY, THIS IS WHAT ABE CAN DO. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO ASK TOO MUCH, WE WANT TO BE GOOD PARTNERS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, LIKE I JUST WANT US TO BE, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THINKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, AND I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT CONVINCED RIGHT NOW. 
          I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION THAT, UM, THAT THE PROCESS WE HAVE SET FORTH AT THIS POINT, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT, RIGHT? UNDERSTANDING THIS ITEM AND HOW WE, HOW WE GET THE, THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT. 
          I, AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT'S THE PATH WE'RE HEADING DOWN, BUT I CERTAINLY HOPE, HOPE IT IS BECAUSE I WANT US TO THINK BIG AND DREAM BIG AND, AND, AND NOT BE LIMITED BY, UM, WELL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS A REASONABLE REQUEST OF THE DEPARTMENT OF APD? WHAT IS A REASONABLE, YOU KNOW, AND IF THAT IS GOING TO TAKE ANY KIND OF, UM, INDEPENDENT PERSON, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO, UH, LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE BUDGET TO GET THAT, TO GET THAT PERSON. 
          AND THEN I HAD ONE, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M SURE THERE ARE OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          AND IF I MIGHT JUST RESPOND JUST BRIEFLY, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR TO ALL 
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OF US, UH, THAT ARE, UH, ARE EMBARKING UPON THIS, UH, THIS JOURNEY, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. 
          AND CERTAINLY, I THINK, UH, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MY COLLEAGUES AT, UH, INNOVATION OFFICE STOPS POLICE OVERSIGHT AND EQUITY OFFICER GOING TO DO A JOB AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING US THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. 
          MORE QUESTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST TO, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON, IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE PRESENTATION ACMR I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TODAY WITH YOU TODAY ABOUT, UM, LEADERSHIP TEAM AND THE WORK THAT IT'S DOING WITH REGARD TO OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          UM, AND YOU JUST LET US KNOW WHETHER PART OF THAT WORK WILL INCLUDE LOOKING AT THE METRICS, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY SLASH, UM, A CITY LEADERSHIP HAS IDENTIFIED AN EXPLORATION? I THINK THE STYLES, COMMENTS ABOUT THE NEEDS THAT ARE, ARE, ARE VERY WELL. 
          WE CAN, WHAT I'LL SAY IS WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY TALKED ABOUT SPECIFIC METRICS AND SO FORTH. 
          HOWEVER, AS WE HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, CERTAINLY, AND WE GET THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT PARTICULAR ADVISORY WORKING GROUPS MAY MAKE SENSE. 
          SOME OF THAT WORK AND IDENTIFYING WHAT THOSE GROUPS MAY BE IS GOING TO EMERGE OUT OF OUR WORK. 
          INITIALLY IN A LISTENING SESSION, THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE, UM, THE JOINT INCLUSION COMMISSION OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION AND OUR QUALITY OF LIFE COMMISSIONS THAT WILL EXPAND OUT TO A NUMBER OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO LISTEN TO HOW THE COMMUNITY IS FEELING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY WITH THIS CONVERSATION. 
          AND CERTAINLY WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW METRICS MIGHT BE AN AREA FOR US TO EXPLORE IN MORE DEPTH. 
          THANK YOU, CUSTOMER ALTAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M WONDERING, UM, RAY, IF YOU CAN SHARE WITH US HOW THESE PERFORMANCE METRICS MAY TIE BACK TO SOME OF THE THINGS WE INCLUDED IN THE DECEMBER RESOLUTION ABOUT, UM, CREATING PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR LEADERSHIP, UM, THAT WERE BASED ON HOW THINGS WERE DOING. 
          I KNOW THESE ARE KIND OF MORE BROADER MACRO MEASURES, AND THERE ARE SOME MORE MICRO MEASURES THAT ARE SPECIFIC. 
          UM, BUT, BUT I THINK THAT AS WE TALK ABOUT, UM, THESE MEASUREMENTS, WE HAVE TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY SET IN MOTION A COUPLE THINGS, AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THOSE THINGS MIGHT FIT TOGETHER. 
          AND SO LET'S SEE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT SOME OF THOSE DIRECTIONS WERE FROM THE DECEMBER, UM, RESOLUTION. 
          I WILL BROADLY SAY THAT CLEARLY WITH THE, WITH THE DIRECTION THAT'S MOST RECENTLY IN THE JUNE RESOLUTION THAT TALKS ABOUT, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, UM, PUTTING IN PLACE ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES FOR, UH, THE TEAM THAT THOSE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          I THINK IT'S A LITTLE RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LITTLE EARLY TO SEE HOW SPECIFICALLY THAT MIGHT BE PUT IN PLACE, BUT CERTAINLY, UM, WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IN, IN DECEMBER, UM, I HAD AN AMENDMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THINKING AHEAD TO OUTCOMES THAT ARE, WE WERE GOING TO BE BUILDING INTO THE ACCOUNTABILITY STRUCTURE, UM, FOR LEADERSHIP, HOW THEY WERE ADJUSTING DIVERSE. 
          THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT WANT IN THERE. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF CONNECT THE DOTS. 
          I KNOW THAT WE'RE STILL MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND IN LIGHT OF THE ADDITIONAL GOALS THAT WERE PACED THERE, BUT I THINK THAT, OR, UM, AND THEN FOR A CHAIR, I JUST WANTED TO FLAG FOR A POTENTIAL TOPIC FOR A FUTURE MEETING, IF WE WANT TO GET INTO DATA. 
          UM, IN ITEM 96, UM, WE HAD AN AMENDMENT THAT EXPANDED HOW WE WERE LOOKING, UM, AT SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE WERE COMING UP WITH, UM, MEASURING AT-RISK OFFICERS, UM, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF DATA THAN THE OVERALL PERFORMANCE. 
          UH, BUT I THINK THAT THESE TWO THINGS, UM, IF WE'RE GOING TO AFFECT THE PERFORMANCE INDICATORS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY, UM, WE HAVE TO BE MAKING SURE THAT OUR MEASURES THAT ARE GETTING, UM, US TO IDENTIFY THOSE AT RISK OFFICERS, UM, ARE WORKING PROPERLY. 
          UM, AND WHAT WE DID IN 96 WAS, YOU KNOW, SAY, YOU KNOW, ENGAGED FOLKS AND EXPERIENCE STAFF TO DO THAT. 
          UM, SO I THINK THESE ARE ALL INTERCONNECTED AND I JUST WANTED TO FLAG IT IN CASE WE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO, TO A FUTURE MEETING, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE CAN HAVE ALL OF THESE GREAT PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENTS, BUT IF WE'RE NOT ALIGNING INCENTIVES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM, WE AREN'T GOING TO GET THE CHANGES ON THOSE METRICS 
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ONCE WE GET THEM RIGHT. 
          UM, THAT WE WANT. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT FULL GAMBIT OF, UH, OF A CONVERSATION. 
          THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD ASSUME THAT AT RISK OFFICER METRICS WOULD LIVE IN THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT MORE THAN IT WOULD LIVE IN OFFICE OF PERFORMANCE MANAGEMENT. 
          UM, YOU'RE A CRITIC NONSENSE, NOT WITHSTANDING A CAST MEMBER KITCHEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. 
          UM, I JOINED A LITTLE LATE. 
          UH, SO THANK YOU, MS. STYLES, UM, IS I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A, UM, PARTICULAR REPORT THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          I THOUGHT THAT THE, THAT THE, UM, SUGGESTIONS YOU WERE MAKING IN THE SPECIFIC MEASURES YOU WERE PROVIDING US AS A, UM, AS EXAMPLES WAS REALLY VERY HELPFUL, UM, AND VERY MUCH ON POINT, UH, AND ALSO SHOWED A LEVEL OF DEPTH IN TERMS OF OUR ANALYSIS WHERE WE CAN ACTUALLY GET CLOSER TO CAUSATION, SO TO SPEAK, OR, OR DIRECTLY LINKING MEASURES WHERE THEY NEED TO BE LINKED. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, IS HAVE YOU, AND I MAY HAVE DISMISSED IT. 
          HAVE YOU PRODUCED A DOCUMENT FOR US THAT KIND OF LISTS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS? AND I APOLOGIZE IF I HAVE MISSED IT. 
          NO, IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY FINE. 
          UM, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. 
          SO I HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I WENT AHEAD AND CREATE AND WROTE A REPORT LAST NIGHT. 
          UM, I WILL GO AHEAD. 
          I'M GOING TO SEND IT THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY TWO BIG, CRAZY, YOU KNOW, ARIZONA. 
          UM, AND THEN I WILL GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT TO YOU HOPEFULLY BY, BY END OF DAY TODAY OR EARLY IN THE MORNING TOMORROW. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S GREAT. 
          CAUSE I WAS FURIOUSLY TAKING NOTES AND THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, I'M GOING TO MISS SOMETHING, SO THANK YOU. 
          WE'RE GOING TO GET OFF OF THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOUR BOX, DEFINITELY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS JUST A TWO MOVE ON AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE, UM, I'LL HAVE MY STAFF POST THAT REPORT TO THE COUNCIL MESSAGE BOARD. 
          SO IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WANT TO TRACK IT DOWN@AUSTINCOUNCILFORUM.ORG. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE SECOND QUESTION IS JUST TO COMMENT THAT, UM, WITH THE, UM, WELL, WITH ALL OF THESE PROGRAMS, UH, ACROSS THE BOARD, THERE'LL BE A NEED TO, UM, TO, TO REALLY, UH, WHAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, UM, TO REALLY UP OUR GAME IN TERMS OF, UH, OF OUR ANALYSIS. 
          AND THAT ALSO MEANS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO COLLECT THE DATA AND TO PRODUCE THE DATA AND THE WAY THAT WE NEED THAT. 
          SO, UM, AND SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UM, ISSUES, ONE ASPECT OF THAT IS THE FIRST FIRST RESPONSE FOR MENTAL HEALTH CALLS. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT IN PLACE A METHOD FOR BOTH COLLECTING CALL DATA IN A, IN A, UM, IN A, UM, IN THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT THOSE DATA ELEMENTS AS WELL AS LINKING THEM TO RESULTS FOR THAT PROGRAM. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE DOLLARS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THAT RELATE TO THE SYSTEMS, THE TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS, UM, AT THE, UM, AT THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, AND SO I'M, I'M GOING TO WANT TO UNDERSTAND IN MORE DETAIL AND THAT'S JUST, WHEN WE DO IT, I HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW, CHAIR, BUT I'M GOING TO WANT TO UNDERSTAND IN MORE DETAIL HOW THOSE SYSTEM, THAT THE DOLLARS FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR SYSTEMS, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE FUNCTIONALITY THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT THE MEASURES THAT WE NEED, AND THEN BOTH COLLECT AND PROVIDE THE DATA IN A WAY THAT WE CAN ANALYZE RESULTS. 
          SO THAT MAY BE A FOLLOWUP FOR YOU, RIGHT? A CHAIR. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT IN THIS COMMITTEE OR NOT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT AS SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY NEEDS SOME DISCUSSION SOMEWHERE. 
          WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DIG INTO BUDGET, NOT AT THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL TODAY. 
          AND TALK ABOUT WHERE MOVED FROM THIS ITEM. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. STYLES OR FOR RAY ON METRICS, CUSTOMER CONCERN, JUST ONE NOTE AND SOMETHING THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE LOOK AT IN THIS BUDGET AND THEN IN FUTURE BUDGETS IS THAT I REMEMBER FROM LAST YEAR'S BUDGET THAT MANY OF THE INVESTMENTS MADE BY THE CITY MANAGER WERE SUPPOSED TO MOVE A CERTAIN METRIC. 
          WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PRODUCE A CERTAIN OUTCOME. 
          UM, THE EXTRA POLICE OFFICERS LINE DID NOT COME WITH AN OUTCOME THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO PRODUCE. 
          AND SO WHILE I THINK WE SHOULD MEASURE NEW THINGS, I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE TRYING TO REDUCE VIOLENCE OR REDUCE HARM. 
          UM, I WANT TO KNOW THAT OUR DOLLARS BEING INVESTED ARE MOVING AN OUTCOME METRIC. 
          UM, THE MOST THAT 
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WE CAN, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AWAY FROM SAYING, WE WANT A RESPONSE TIME TO GO DOWN BY X, OR WE WANT X STAFF PER THOUSAND. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO ACTUALLY A CHANGE IN OUTCOMES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND I, UM, REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE APPLYING THAT TO EVERY SINGLE PART OF THE WORK THAT WE, THAT WE DO. 
          UM, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH, WITH, UH, COUNSELOR COSAR. 
          UM, ONE EXAMPLE WE THOUGHT OF WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE MEASURE ABOUT NEW METRICS WAS LIKE, AND MAYBE THIS METRIC EXISTS ALREADY, BUT YOU KNOW, HOW MANY INCIDENCES WERE SUCCESSFULLY DEESCALATED AND, UM, AND, AND, AND, AND SHOWING THAT BY PART OF TOWN I THINK IS PROVIDES US, UH, UM, A METRIC TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT, WE WANT THAT NUMBER TO GO UP. 
          WE WANT DEESCALATIONS TO GO UP. 
          I SAID, ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          I THINK FOR CHIEF MANLEY, I'VE HEARD OF A THEME, NOT ONLY IN, IN, IN THESE KINDS OF, UM, DISCUSSIONS, BUT AS WELL WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE ADVOCATES WHO WERE, UM, IN OUR MUNICIPAL COURT CONVERSATIONS IN TRYING TO GET DATA AND, AND HOW HARD THAT HAS BEEN, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THE NASTINESS TO GET THE DATA BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET IT. 
          I GUESS MY QUESTION IS CHIEF, ARE WE COMMITTED? ARE YOU COMMITTED TO, UM, PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DATA THAT, THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS OFTEN TELL US THAT THEY HAVE TROUBLE, TROUBLE GETTING? ABSOLUTELY. 
          I THINK THAT WE HAVE OPEN DATA PORTALS. 
          WE PUT OUR INFORMATION OUT ON THE WEB. 
          YOU WILL RECALL WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST, AND I THINK MAYBE THE FIRST MAJOR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO JOIN THE POLICE DATA INITIATIVE ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL. 
          SO I THINK WE HAVE A HISTORY OF SHARING DATA, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          SOMETIMES IT IS DIFFICULT TO PULL DATA TOGETHER. 
          SOMETIMES THE REQUESTS ARE VERY SPECIFIC AND OUR SYSTEMS DON'T VERY EASILY PRODUCE THAT TYPE OF DATA. 
          AND THAT TOO WAS ONE OF THE FOCUS AREAS. 
          AS WE LOOK AT REINVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN POLICE RECORDS, MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AND OTHER AREAS SHOULD ALLOW US TO MORE EASILY AND READILY PULL THESE TYPES OF DATA REQUESTS TOGETHER. 
          OKAY, LET'S GO TO HERE BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK WE ALL WANT TO GET TO THE SAME PLACE, LESS VIOLENCE FOR EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW? UM, AND, AND I THINK, AND I'VE HEARD THAT JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM DIFFERENT ADVOCATES THAT IT'S BEEN, IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET CERTAIN TYPES OF DATA. 
          SO, UM, WHATEVER WE CAN DO ON THE COUNCIL SIDE, PLEASE LET US KNOW TOO, TO MAKE THAT DATA MORE ACCESSIBLE AND READILY AVAILABLE AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS CERTAINLY MAYBE HAVE DONE. 
          AND I WOULD JUST, I WOULD ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A WEB DEVELOPMENT TECHNOLOGY BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT PROBLEM, UH, WHERE THE SOURCE OF THE DATA ITSELF, IF WE'RE ASKING OFFICERS TO ALSO BE DATA ENTRY EXPERTS IN THE MIDDLE OF CALLS OR ANY OF OUR FUTURE FIRST RESPONDER ENTITIES TO MAKE THOSE DATA ENTRIES. 
          AND I THINK WE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT ON SEXUAL ASSAULT, WHERE THERE WAS MAYBE ONE CODE WHEN THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE CODES TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN DIFFERENT OUTCOMES. 
          UM, SO NOT, NOT JUST A TECHNOLOGY SOLUTION, BUT I'M ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING THE BURDEN, UH, THE DATA ENTRY PIECE. 
          UM, ONE OF THE IDEAS THAT I HAVE BROUGHT UP BEFORE IS OFFICERS, OR, OR ANY FIRST RESPONDER, BEING ABLE TO READ THEIR REPORT INTO A BODY CAM AND THEN ALLOW A PROFESSIONAL DATA ENTRY PERSON TO CODE ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE ONE WAY TO FREE UP OFFICERS OR FOLKS WHO ARE OUT IN THE FIELD AND HAVE DATA ENTRY FOLKS GETTING US THE CLEANEST SOURCE OF DATA AS POSSIBLE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO BUDGET COUNCIL MEMBER, HARPER, MADISON, I READ THAT THAT MUTE BUTTON HAS GIVEN ME A HARD TIME. 
          UH, JUST WANTED TO, UM, SAY MOST OF WHAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID. 
          I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH AND THE SENTIMENT SPEAKS TO ME. 
          THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WEREN'T MENTIONED, AND I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY, UM, IT, IT KIND OF PIGGYBACKS ON WHAT, UM, MAYOR PRETEND SAID ABOUT, UM, SPECIFIC DATA, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO, UM, GIVE ME JUST A SECOND. 
          I PULLED UP THE RESOLUTION CAUSE I WAS THINKING, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN THERE. 
          IT WAS A DATA POINT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THAT WAS TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC DATA ON, UM, USE THE FORCE AND A CERTAIN PART OF TOWN. 
          AND SO I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE, UH, ITEM NUMBER 66, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED CLAUSES. 
          UM, AND THESE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED 
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TO MAKE SURE TO, TO HIGHLIGHT AS WELL. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY THE TRAINING MATERIALS, UM, AND CADET INFORMATION, ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT AUDIT ARE TOP OF MIND FOR ME, ESPECIALLY AFTER I'M CERTAIN, EVERYBODY ON THE LINE RECEIVED, UM, AN EMAIL THAT I DID ALSO, UH, IT WAS A REPORT BY SARAH VILLENUEVA, UM, LEAD IN THE ACADEMY REVIEW. 
          AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL REPORT BY MICHAEL FERGUSON ISSUED ON JUNE 19TH THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE CONCERNS, ORIGINAL CONCERNS THAT WE HAD. 
          AND THUS SOME OF THIS, THIS, UH, UNDER BULLET NUMBER TWO TRAINING METORIC MATERIALS COURSE, UH, SECTION DESCRIPTIONS AND DURATION. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN HERE THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT WE SPEND SOME TIME FOCUSING ON, UM, AS IT PERTAINS TO ACADEMY IS THE, THE COMPONENTS THAT ARE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE DIVERSITY OF THE PEOPLE, TEACHING DIVERSITY. 
          UM, AND SO, UH, MS. STYLES, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SPECIFICALLY IS ON YOUR RADAR, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S TOP OF MIND FOR ME IS WE'D GO THROUGH THE ACADEMY SPECIFIC ELEMENTS. 
          AND I JUST WONDERED IF, YOU KNOW, JUST FROM YOUR INITIAL GLANCE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ACADEMY SPECIFIC CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NEED SOME DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL OR FOR US TO BE PAYING SOME SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO? I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, BUT DEFINITELY CAN SPEND SOME TIME IN DEEP THOUGHT. 
          UM, JUST BY RAISING THE IDEA ALREADY KIND OF SPARKS A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN WORKING ON THE BOARD, UM, UH, THE, THE LOCAL BOARD T COLE HAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF DROPPED JOTTED DOWN SOME IDEAS AND SAW EVEN SOME PROGRESS HAPPENING, HAPPENING, LIKE WITHIN GENDER AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, FEMALE REPRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE, UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHO'S TEACHING DIVERSITY, UM, IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY WHEN MEASURE WAS NOT REALLY KIND OF FOCUSING ON EVIDENCE BASED METRICS, WE ARE MORE SO FOCUSING ON JUST, JUST METRICS, RIGHT. 
          UM, WE WERE ASKING FOR IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING AND A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL POLICE OFFICERS TO BE TRAINED IN IMPLICIT BIAS TRAINING. 
          AND THEY, WE BROUGHT IN A EXPERT. 
          UM, BUT NOT SO SURE, BUT WITHOUT ANY TRACKING METHODOLOGY AFTER THAT, LIKE HOW DO WE EVEN KNOW THAT SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY WORKING A LOT OF IT IS BASED ON PSEUDOSCIENCE WITHOUT ANY REAL EVIDENCE OR REAL, UM, YOU KNOW, OUTCOME METRICS ABOUT IF THAT TRAINING IS EVEN WORKING. 
          SO PERSONALLY, IF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ON THAT HAT, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ASKED, UM, AND A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, ESPECIALLY IN AUSTIN, BECAUSE WE'RE SO DATA DRIVEN. 
          UM, I DID HEAR THAT WE, THAT AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF, IF YOU COULD, UM, RESPOND TO THIS, BROUGHT ON A NEW CDO WHO WE AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, REQUEST OF MEASURE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, BRINGING ON A CHIEF DATA OFFICER THAT REALLY FOCUSES IN, ON, ON DATA AND OUTCOMES AND EVIDENCE-BASED POLICING, UM, THAT WE COULD REALLY SERIOUSLY ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES TOGETHER. 
          AND MAYBE I WILL RESPOND TO THAT. 
          UH, HE ACTUALLY STARTED TODAY. 
          TODAY WAS HIS FIRST DAY. 
          I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH HIM AND WAS VERY PLEASED TO EXPLAIN AND TALK WITH HIM ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HIS POSITION AND OF THE ROLE THAT HE WILL PLAY, ESPECIALLY NOW AS WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, EVALUATING POLICING HERE IN AUSTIN. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY WE CAN DO THAT IS WITH ACCURATE DATA. 
          SO OUR CHIEF DATA OFFICER, THIS WAS DAY ONE FOR HIM. 
          AWESOME. 
          AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S SUPER HOPEFUL, LIKE WHEN IT COMES TO US NEEDING DATA, NEEDING ACCURATE INFORMATION, HAVING ACCESS TO THAT, TO THAT PERSON WITHIN THE, UM, WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT AGAIN, TO YOUR POINT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER MEDICINE, UM, ARBOR MADISON IS JUST REALLY, IS THAT PERSON GOING TO FOCUS IN ON EVIDENCE-BASED POLICING? WE'VE CREATED A, I KNOW MEASURE HAS CREATED A FANTASTIC PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF EVIDENCE BASED POLICING, SOME OF THE MOST ACADEMICALLY SOUND AND READY RESEARCHERS THAT ARE ALSO COPS, UM, LED BY A COP RESEARCHER FOR NAMED MITCHELL. 
          UM, ARE WE GOING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION? THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION FOR, YOU KNOW, UM, AS THAT PERSON TAKES THAT SEAT. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, JUST TO AGAIN, UM, ESPECIALLY TO ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, RAY, ARIANA, ARIANA, JUST, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES METRICS ARE COME, YOU KNOW, ARE PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT THE END, RIGHT? LIKE WE HAVE ALL THESE BIG, BEAUTIFUL IDEAS AND WE HAVE ALL THESE SOLUTIONS 
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THAT WE THINK MIGHT WORK. 
          UM, A LOT OF ANECDOTAL, LIKE FLOWERY IDEAS, BUT METRICS NEED TO COME FIRST. 
          RIGHT? SO LIKE THAT, THOSE GOALS AND RESOLUTION 50 PAINT A PICTURE OF A, OF A, OF A WONDERFUL AUSTIN, BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO DON'T REALLY SEE GRAY ALL THE TIME, I TAKE THOSE. 
          LITERALLY I TOOK THOSE LITERALLY WHEN I SAW THAT, LIKE, HOW DO WE GET TO THIS? WHAT METRICS, WHAT INPUT METRICS AND OUTPUT METRICS WILL WE NEED IN ORDER TO GET TO THIS STATE IN AUSTIN? AND SO JUST REALLY, YOU KNOW, WANT TO HAMMER THAT IN, LIKE, MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU START WITH THE END FIRST AND THAT, UM, THAT METRICS COME FIRST. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, MEASURE IS ALWAYS HERE TO SUPPORT THE CITY, UM, AND ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM. 
          IS THERE ANY PRESSING FINAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU, MS. STYLES FOR JOINING US IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETING TODAY, A LOT OF GREAT WORK TO DO ON METRICS, A LOT OF GREAT WORK TO DO OVERALL, GLAD TO HAVE YOU AS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY EXPERTS JOINING THIS CONVERSATION. 
          OKAY. 
          LET US, UH, I THINK MOST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE ATTENDED, WHO ARE PART OF THE MEETING HAVE SPOKE. 
          I FORGOT TO DO THE LIST OF NAMES, BUT I WILL ADD A MAYOR. 
          THE MAYOR HAS JOINED OUR MEETING BECAUSE MY BOSS OF COURSE, IS HERE TO JUST TALK TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HAVE SPOKEN UP AND ASK QUESTIONS. 
          UH, OKAY, LET'S DIG INTO THE BUDGET. 
          [2. Discussion of the City’s public safety budget.]
AND IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME, I WILL TRANSITION OUT OUR STAFF ATTENDEES FOR THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK WE WILL START WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION FROM MR. VAN EMAIL. 
          ED, ARE YOU THERE? I AM HERE. 
          I HAVE THE PRESENTATION. 
          IF YOU WILL. 
          UH, LAST TIME I DID THIS, MY LAPTOP CRASHED. 
          SO WE'LL SEE HOW THIS WORKS THIS TIME. 
          YOU'LL SEE THE PRESENTATION, RIGHT? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL I'LL JUST WANT ME TO JUMP IN COUNCIL MEMBER, TAKE IT AWAY. 
          YEAH, I'LL JUMP IN. 
          UM, WE PUT TOGETHER, UM, I THINK WE HAVE ABOUT NINE OR 10 SLIDES HERE, JUST TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE CALL OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, ARTS IN AUSTIN. 
          WE HAVE OUR SAFETY OUTCOME THAT ALSO INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SAFE DRINKING WATER. 
          IT INCLUDES BLOOD MITIGATION RISKS. 
          SO SAFETY IS BROADER THAN JUST OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENTS, BUT HERE TODAY FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE FIVE DEPARTMENTS THAT WE, UM, THAT FIT UNDER OUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND GROW UP. 
          IT'S OFTEN CODE MUNICIPAL COURT, EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THIS IS REALLY A HIGH LEVEL PICTURE OF THE BUDGETS FOR EACH OF THESE FIVE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO WE'LL GO KIND OF LIKE A LAYER LOWER OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, CAUSE WE ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE A LOT OF INTEREST, UM, IN THAT. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WE HAVE STAFF ON THE LINE TO HELP ME OUT WITH QUESTIONS, BUT THIS, FOR THE SAKE OF TIME I'M GOING TO, UM, AND, AND DO AVOID KIND OF HAVING TO BOUNCE AROUND BETWEEN A BUNCH OF PRESENTERS. 
          I'LL JUST WALK THROUGH THE, UM, THAT THE HIGH LEVEL PRESENTATION WE GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SO OF COURSE, AUSTIN CODE, YOU CAN SEE FOR FISCAL YEAR 21, THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THE MANAGER DON'T EVER DO THAT AT 26.9 A MILLION DOLLAR. 
          THAT'S A SLIGHT DROP FROM FISCAL YEAR 2020 LEVEL, WHICH IS THE RESULT OF REMOVING SOME ONE TIME BUDGET ITEMS THAT HAD BEEN INCLUDED IN THE CODE DEPARTMENT OR, OR FISCAL YEAR 2020. 
          AND SO ACROSS THE BOARD, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DEPARTMENTS FOR FISCAL YEAR 21, TYPICALLY HAVING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER BUDGET BECAUSE OF WAGE INCREASES AND OTHER BUILT IN COST DRIVERS. 
          UM, BUT IN THIS CASE, THOSE COST DRIVERS ARE BEING OFFSET BY A REDUCTION IN ONE PINE PROGRAM EXPENDITURES THAT WERE PART OF THE REPERTOIRE 21 BUDGET. 
          UM, THE DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING THREE NEW ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, POSITIONS, UM, THEIR WHOLE REVENUE FOR FISCAL YEAR 21 AT 25 POINT $4 MILLION. 
          WE'LL SEE OVER IN THAT, UH, THAT THIRD COLUMN OVER SOURCES, UM, THEY'RE ALMOST 90% FUNDED ALMOST FROM THE COMMUNITY FEE. 
          SO 
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WHEN WE GET AWAY FROM CODE COMPLIANCE, WHICH IS SET UP AS AN ENTERPRISE DEPARTMENT AND IT RECOVERED ITS COST THROUGH THE FEES OF THE CHARGES, UM, WHEN WE GET INTO THE GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE GOING TO SEE A MUCH LARGER PORTION OF THE FUNDING FROM THE DEPARTMENT COMING FROM, FROM TAXES. 
          UM, IN REGARDS TO BOAT OPERATIONS, UH, NEARLY 50%, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR BUDGET IS ALLOCATED SPECIFICALLY. 
          THEY VOTE INVESTIGATIONS, COMPLIANCE, AND ENFORCEMENT ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES, UM, TRANSFERS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND SUPPORT SERVICES. 
          I'LL JUST SPEND A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME WITH HIM ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE PROGRAM NAMES ACROSS ALL THE DEPARTMENTS AND YOU'LL SEE THESE PROGRAM NAMES AND ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS. 
          LET ME JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THEY ARE. 
          SUPPORT SERVICES IS WHERE WE BUDGET ACROSS ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, GENERALLY WHERE WE BUDGET, UM, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES, YOU KNOW, HR SUPPORT, FINANCIAL SUPPORT, IT SUPPORT IT, THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AROUND IT, PEOPLE, UM, BUT ALSO THE MANAGERIAL TEAM OR THE DEPARTMENT GO INTO SUPPORT SERVICES FOR CODE. 
          THIS PIECE OF THE PIE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN, UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE AND IN MOST OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO, UM, WHERE WE INCLUDE THE, UM, THE FUNDING FOR THE, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESS. 
          IF THE CODE DEPARTMENT HAS TO TRY TO AVOID COURT CASES. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THEIR SUPPORT SERVICES IS LARGE HERE, UM, TRANSFERS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS. 
          UM, GENERALLY IT'S WHERE ALL THOSE CITYWIDE COST ALLOCATION CODE. 
          SO WE HAVE CITYWIDE BUNCHES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL IS ONE OF THOSE CITY FUNCTIONS AS PART OF OUR SUPPORT SERVICES FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE AND OTHER FINANCIAL SERVICES PROGRAMS, IT AND HUMAN RESOURCES. 
          THOSE ARE ALL CORPORATE FUNCTIONS THAT GET ALLOCATED OUT TO ALL THE ENTERPRISES IN GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS IN ORDER TO RECOVER THOSE COSTS EQUITABLY. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT GOES INTO TRANSFER THAN OTHER REQUIREMENTS. 
          AGAIN, COMPARED TO SOME OF THE GENERAL PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE, UM, IT'S HIGHER HERE THAN IT IS FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS FOR THE CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          UM, PART OF THEIR COSTS COMES THROUGH THE AUSTIN ENERGY CUSTOMER CARE AND THEM PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE OF THE CUSTOMER CARE B, UM, WHICH IS HOW THEY GET THEIR BILLS OUT TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AND COLLECT, COLLECT THEIR REVENUE THOUGH. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE THOSE SUPPORT SERVICES AND TRANSFERRED THAN OTHER REQUIREMENTS ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT FOR WHY THEY'RE PRETENDING TO BE HIGHER AND OFTEN CODE. 
          YOU'LL SEE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          SO THE NEXT ONE IS WHERE THE MUNICIPAL COURT WITH A PROPOSED BUDGET OF 34 POINT $5 MILLION BARKLEY IS THE BASE COST DRIVER BUDGET, A ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR PAY FOR A WAGE INCREASES AND WAGE INCREASE FOR CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE TO BE AN ALARMIST DRIVER THERE YOU'LL SEE UNDER SOURCES IS I PROMISE FOR THIS DEPARTMENT NEARLY 77% OF THEIR BUDGET COME THROUGH TAX SUPPORT, OR BASICALLY NOT BE REVENUE. 
          UM, THIS DEPARTMENT DOES NOT GENERATE QUITE A BIT OF THE REVENUE THROUGH, UM, THE FINES THAT THEY COLLECT, BUT IT'S NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO FULLY FUND THEIR OPERATIONS. 
          77% OF THEIR BUDGET IS FUNDED THROUGH TAX SUPPORTED, A REVENUE STORY CITIES, THEIR REVENUE CONTINUE, THE DOWNWARD TREND AND PEOPLE YEAR 21, WE'RE PROJECTING AN $800,000 REDUCTANT IN THEIR REVENUE COLLECTIONS. 
          UM, THAT IS A PART OF A LONGTERM TREND OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          WE'VE SEEN DROPS IN THE NUMBER OF CITATIONS THAT ARE COMING THROUGH, UM, THE MUNICIPAL COURT. 
          UM, AND WE'VE SEEN ABOUT A FIVE POINT $5 MILLION DROP IN REVENUE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS YEAR THOUGH IS ALSO AS A RESULT OF COVID. 
          THE COURT HAS EXTENDED THE DUE DATES FOR SOME OF THE FINES AND CITATIONS. 
          SO THAT PART OF IT PLAYING INTO THE REVENUE DROP YOUR FEAR. 
          IT'S REALLY MORE OF A TIMING ISSUE. 
          UM, THE LARGEST PROGRAM IN THE MUNICIPAL COURT IS ACTUALLY THE DOWNTOWN AT 28% OF THE BUDGET. 
          THAT INCLUDES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING FOR HOMELESSNESS SERVICES AND THE DOWNTOWN REPORT. 
          UM, PART OF THE WRAP AROUND NETWORK OF COMMUNITY, UH, MUNICIPAL COURT OPERATIONS NEXT AT 25%. 
          AND, UM, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D MENTIONED ON THIS SLIDE IS, UM, THAT THE, UH, THE SUPPORT SERVICES PORTION OF THIS SLIDE, ACTUALLY THAT WARRANTS SLICE. 
          I NOTICED THIS TOO. 
          THERE IS SOMETHING, UM, THERE IS SOMETHING THAT DESCRIBE THAT ORANGE SLICE THAT SHOULD BE SUPPORT SERVICES. 
          AND I THINK IT'S AROUND 18, MAYBE 20% OF THE BUDGET, BUT EXACT BEING, OH, IT SHOWED UP ON THIS ONE ON MY SCREEN. 
          I'M LOOKING AT, IT WILL SHOW UP WHEN WE GET 20% OF THE BUDGET AND SUPPORT SERVICES. 
          AND, UM, AND THAT'S ALSO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN OUR OTHER DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THE LEASE COSTS WHERE THEIR NEW FACILITY, THE BIRTH COMPLEX CENTER PART OF SUPPORT SERVICES COSTS HERE. 
          UM, WE GO ON TO EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES. 
          SO LET ME JUMP IN AND SAY, 
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I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON POLICE. 
          SO COUNCIL MEMBERS, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THEM NOW. 
          SO WE ALREADY DID CODE. 
          THIS IS MUNICIPAL COURT. 
          I HAVE TO CLARIFY, ED. 
          I KNOW ARE FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC WHO SOMETIMES BELIEVE THAT THE FEES THAT ARE CHARGED FOR TICKETS AND OTHER THINGS ARE A SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR THE CITY WHILE TECHNICALLY CORRECT. 
          IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY COST RECOVER BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE THAT EVEN THE MUNICIPAL COURT IS MORE THAN 75% SUBSIDIZED BY PROPERTY TAXES AND SALES TAXES, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          IT DOESN'T EVEN COST RECOVERY COURT SERVICES, LET ALONE OFFICE HERE THROUGH OUR WRITING AND CITATIONS, THAT KIND OF POLITICAL TOPIC, CO COMMON, COMMON, URBAN MYTH CHAIR ON THAT POINT. 
          UM, MR. , HOW MANY, HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS DID YOU SAY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS? WE'VE UH, WE'VE REDUCED TO THAT COST. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IT'S, IT'S, UH, I'D HAVE TO DO THE MATH HERE. 
          I GUESS IT MUST HAVE BEEN 15.4 MILLION, FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          UM, UM, SO YEAH, 5.5 MILLION DROPPED TO THE CURRENT LEVEL OF 7.9 MILLION. 
          AND THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT THINK WE HAVE SOME KIND OF QUOTAS OR WRITING CITATIONS, LIKE THE BALANCE, OUR BUDGET ON 7.9 MILLION COMPARED TO A ONE POINT $1 BILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS NOT ONE OF OUR MAJOR REVENUE SOURCES. 
          I'VE SEEN NEWS REPORTS THAT THAT'S TRUE IN SMALLER TOWNS. 
          IT'S JUST NOT TRUE HERE. 
          RIGHT? ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON. 
          YEP. 
          WE CAN MOVE ON EMS. UM, THIS IS ONE OF OUR LARGER, WE'VE GOT REAL FUN, BUT, UM, BUDGETS JUST SHORT OF A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS 96 POINT $9 MILLION INCREASE, UM, THREE POINT $8 MILLION. 
          OF COURSE THE WAGE INCREASE IS CALLED FOR BY THE CONTRACT. 
          WELL, AS CIVILIANS, AS PART OF THAT INCREASE. 
          UM, BUT ALSO WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD 19 NEW PARAMEDICS IN FISCAL YEAR 2021. 
          WELL, THOSE ARE NEEDED FOR THE OPENING OF THE TRAVIS COUNTRY BY YOUR EMS STATIONS. 
          SO LET ME GET THE FUNDER. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME FIREFIGHTERS IN THE BUDGET ALSO FOR THAT, UH, PLANNED OPENING AT THE DRAFT METRIC STATION, UM, IN JULY, UH, WHEN WE, ONCE WE MOVE ON, BUT HERE IT'S 12 POSITIONS AND THEN SEVEN POSITIONS ARE FOR THE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY HEALTH CARE MEDIC USE THEORY TO IMPLEMENT ANOTHER REPORT, UM, WITH, WITH PART OF OUR AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET REALLOCATIONS, THAT WE ARE REDUCING THE BUDGET AMOUNT. 
          AND POLICE IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAD PROPOSED TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY HEALTH PARAMEDICS TO PROVIDE, UM, ADDITIONAL MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSE SERVICES. 
          UM, HERE YOU CAN SEE THEIR TAX SUPPORT IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER, DEFINITELY LOWER THAN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SEE FOR FIRE AND EMS AT 60.7% BECAUSE THEY DO GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE THROUGH FEES THAT ARE ASSESSED FOR THEIR SOLDIERS IS LARGELY PAID THROUGH INSURANCE COLLECTION, BUT ALSO TRAVIS COUNTY HAD THE CONTRACT WITH US. 
          SO THOSE REVENUES REFLECTED AS PART OF THAT 39.7% REVENUE OFFSET. 
          UM, YOU NOTICE OVER ON THE REVENUE LINE ITEM, A TWO POINT $9 MILLION REDUCTION THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT'S CALLED FEDERAL UNCOMPENSATED CARE PROGRAM. 
          SO WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T PAY THEIR BILLS, THERE'S A FEDERAL PROGRAM THAT PROVIDES FUNDING AND THAT MONEY HADN'T BEEN GOING DOWN OUR LAST COUPLE YEARS. 
          PART OF THAT NOW WE'RE TREND IN OUR FEDERAL UNCOMPENSATED CARE REVENUE, UM, UH, OPERATIONS, WHICH IS NOT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS. 
          THAT'S OUR PARAMEDICS GOING OUT TO EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALLS IS 65% OF THE BUDGET. 
          UM, UH, EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS IS DOWN THERE THAT PURPLE IT'S ALLIANCE IS ROUGHLY 7% OF THE BUDGET. 
          UM, THEN I WON'T REITERATE THAT SUPPORT SERVICES AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS, BUILDING SERVICES, COLLECTING, UH, YOU KNOW, SENDING THE BILLS OUT AND COLLECTING THE REVENUE GAIN. 
          YOU CAN GET YOUR COMPANY IS ABOUT A 2% OR BUDGET, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE, AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO FIRE WHENEVER PEOPLE ARE WRITING. 
          SO THIS ISN'T SO MUCH AS A QUESTION, ALTHOUGH IF THERE'S MOVEMENT ON IT, I WELCOME STAFF'S COMMENTS. 
          I WANTED TO JUST FLAG FOR MY COLLEAGUES THAT, YOU KNOW, AS I'M THINKING ABOUT RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY FOR ME, THAT ALSO GOES MUCH BEYOND POLICE. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DELIVERING THE BEST QUALITY SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, I AM WORKING ON A POTENTIAL AMENDMENT THAT WOULD, UM, CREATE A CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER. 
          UM, SO THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR LOCAL HEALTH AUTHORITY AND WE HAVE OUR MEDICAL OFFICER KIND OF MERGING THAT, SO THAT YOU HAVE A CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER THAT IS OVER, UM, PROVIDING CLINICAL, UM, REPORTING FOR A BROADER SET OF FOLKS. 
          UM, THAT WOULD THEN BE COUPLED WITH A PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED BY 
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THE OFFICE OF THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR I THINK THREE YEARS NOW, BUT NEVER BEEN BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF COUNCIL, UM, WHICH WOULD BE ADDING STAFF. 
          AND, UM, THESE TWO THINGS COMBINED HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REALLY RETHINK, UM, THE ABILITY OF OUR EXISTING MEDICAL PERSONNEL TO HELP US TO DO SOME PREVENTATIVE CARE, HELP US TO DEAL WITH THAT $50, UM, YOU KNOW, INGROWN TOE NOW WITHOUT SENDING AN AMBULANCE. 
          UM, NOW THAT WE HAVE, RE-IMAGINED WHAT TELEHEALTH LOOKS LIKE. 
          I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY DOABLE THIS YEAR. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, UM, THERE ARE SOME CHANGES UNDER FOOT AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BE ABLE TO BE BILLING ON SOME OF THIS. 
          UM, AND SO, UM, MY CURRENT ESTIMATES ARE FOR ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          WE COULD DO THIS AND THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THIS FROM FEES, NOT GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT IF THERE ARE OTHERS WHO ARE INTERESTED, UM, IN THINKING ABOUT THAT, UM, AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO FLAG IS THAT THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, ACCESS TO AMBULANCES IN CENTRAL AUSTIN AND SOME OF THE SHORTAGES THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING, UM, WHICH AGAIN ARE SOMEWHAT A FUNCTION OF SENDING THE WRONG INSTRUMENT, UM, OUT. 
          UM, AND THIS PROPOSAL WOULD HELP ADDRESS THAT, BUT THERE ARE ALSO ISSUES WHERE WE PROBABLY MAY NEED TO THINK ABOUT MORE AMBULANCES OR SOME ON DEMAND AMBULANCES TO ADDRESS, UM, A SITUATION IN CENTRAL AUSTIN. 
          THAT'S PULLING OUR AMBULANCES FROM EVERYWHERE ELSE. 
          UM, SO I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL AS THE KITCHEN. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M INTERESTING IN SEEING IF THERE'S A ROUTE FOR THIS, AND I KNOW THAT OTHERS ARE LOOKING INTO THIS TOO. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO COLLABORATE WITH, UM, WITH OTHER EFFORTS ON THIS. 
          AND THAT IS, UM, THE ADDITION OF, UH, THE ADDITION OF CHPS COMMUNITY HEALTH PARAMEDICS, UH, THAT CAN PARTICULARLY, UH, BE OF ASSISTANCE WITH, UM, THE, UH, HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THE HOST OR SOME OTHER CONDO OR PROGRAM LIKE THAT. 
          I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED ADDITIONAL EMPHASIS IN THAT AREA. 
          AND I ALSO SEE THE ABILITY FOR ADDITIONAL CHPS COMMUNITY HEALTH PARAMEDICS TO ALSO, UM, BE, UH, AVAILABLE AND TO HELP WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH, UM, UH, DIVERSION PROGRAM, THE, UM, THE, UH, FIRST RESPONSE. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WHAT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET IS, IS, UH, IS REALLY GOOD FOR THE, UH, FIRST RESPONSE. 
          BUT I WANT US TO BE SURE THAT, UM, IF WE FIND, OR, I MEAN, THERE'S SOME CONCERN THAT WE MAY NEED ADDITIONAL, UH, COMMUNITY HEALTH PARAMEDICS FOR THAT, UH, PROGRAM. 
          AND SO I'M WANTING TO, UH, TO THINK ABOUT A ROUTE TOWARDS THAT AS WELL AS CHPS THAT CAN ASSIST WITH, WITH, UH, HOMELESSNESS. 
          AND THERE MAY BE SOME SYNERGIES ACROSS THAT. 
          SO I PUT THAT OUT THERE JUST, UM, TO SAY FOR MY COLLEAGUES, IF THERE ARE OTHERS WORKING ON, UM, PROGRAMS FOR ADDITIONAL, UM, COMMUNITY HEALTH PARAMEDICS IN THE EMS BUDGET, UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT OF AFRICA STAR. 
          YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR CITY STAFF ARE ON THE FRONTLINE AND WORKING REALLY HARD DURING THE PANDEMIC, PROBABLY ALMOST MORE THAN ANYONE ARE OUR MEDICS ARE ON THE FRONT LINE OF THIS. 
          DO WE HAVE THINGS WE'RE PUTTING INTO THIS BUDGET TO IMMEDIATELY START ALLEVIATING SOME PORTION OF THAT WORKLOAD OR EXPANDING THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE CAN PUT OUT THERE TO DEAL WITH? UM, NOT JUST COVID-19, BUT OUR MEDICS HAVING TO DEAL WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, PLUS COVID-19 NOT NOTHING BEYOND. 
          AND I, WE HAVE EMS PEOPLE ON THE LINE. 
          THEY COULD MAYBE RESPOND TO THAT TOO, BUT NOTHING BEYOND WHAT'S ON THIS SLIDE IN THE 19 NEW POSITIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY HEALTH PARAMEDICS AND THE OPENING OF THE NEW COUNTRY STATION, WHICH WILL INCLUDE A 24 HOUR FIRE UNIT. 
          BUT BEYOND THAT, NOTHING I CAN PRINT THE SOUND PORTION OF THOSE 19, WHICH PORTION OF THOSE 19, WE ACTUALLY INTEND ON HIRING ANY TIME IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. 
          WELL, THE, UH, THE 12 OR, UM, TRAVIS MUNCHERY, THAT STAGE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO OPEN UNTIL JULY. 
          UM, AND THEN SOME OF IT'S GOING TO DEPEND TOO ON THE TIMING OF THE NEXT CLASS WHEN YOU GRADUATE. 
          SO UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY FROM EMS ON ONLINE, WHO KNOWS THE TIMING OF THE CLASSES A LOT, I HAVE TO GET BACK TO NORMAL. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING FOR US TO KEEP THINKING ABOUT GIVEN, BRINGING PEOPLE ON NEXT JULY AND THE INTENSITY OF WHAT MEDICS ARE DEALING WITH NOW. 
          UM, SOMETHING ALSO, I THINK, FOR US TO BE DISCUSSING IN THE BUDGET. 
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JASPER, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT ONLY TO SAY THAT, UM, JUST LIKE THIS YEAR WILL BE OPENED UP DELL VALLEY STATION, THE FTES WEREN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL JUNE, BUT WE STILL STAFFED THE STATION ON THE DAY WAS OPENED. 
          UM, THE 12 MEDICS, BOTH CLINICAL SPECIALISTS AND MEDICS, WE HIRE ALMOST, UH, IN THE NEXT CADET CLASS, USUALLY AFTER A STATION OPENING. 
          AND SO DO WE KNOW WHEN THAT WOULD BE FOR THOSE 12 OPENING IN JULY, THE 21, WE PROBABLY WOULD EITHER DO AN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER ACADEMY, UM, OR FOR THOSE POSITIONS IN, DEPENDING ON OUR OVERALL POSITION NEEDS. 
          UM, IT COULD BE IN JULY ALSO. 
          IT JUST DEPENDS WHAT THE NEEDS ARE AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME WITH OUR OPEN HOUSE. 
          SO, SO YOU MEAN YOU START A CLASS THIS YEAR IN ORDER TO HIRE THOSE PEOPLE NEXT YEAR IN THE SUMMER. 
          SORRY, YOU MENTIONED SOME MONTHS, BUT I, I LOST TRACK OF WHAT THOSE MONTHS WERE IN. 
          I'M SORRY FOR NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, IF THOSE POSITIONS ARE APPROVED, UM, WE, WE WOULD HIRE THOSE IN JULY OR AUGUST 21. 
          UM, BUT WE WOULD STAFF THE STATION WITH THE EXISTING PERSONNEL COME JULY. 
          UM, AS SOON AS THESE STATIONS OPEN AND WE CAN BE INSIDE IT, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL. 
          I THINK THE POINT THEN HOLDS THAT AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT COUNCIL AMENDMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE IN THE BUDGET, FINDING WAYS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH AMBULANCES AND MEDICS GIVEN THE CURRENT SURGE, IF WE AREN'T BRINGING NEW STAFF OR NEW RESOURCES TO THE TABLE SOON, AND IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION WE SHOULD HAVE WITH EMS AND WITH THE DICE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          THANKS JERRY COUNCIL MEMBER HOPPER, MADISON  YES. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING QUEUED UP IN THAT WAY. 
          I THINK THE LAST TWO, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO EXPRESSED QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, I HAVE THE EXACT SAME CONCERN SO MUCH SO THAT I REALLY DO FEEL LIKE AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE DIRECT ACCOUNTS OF MEDICS, THAT WE ARE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, IF WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AMBULANCES TO RESPOND IN AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME, UM, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER ALTER SAID, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY DEFINITELY GOES WELL BEYOND OUR, UM, LAW ENFORCEMENT CONSIDERATIONS, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TIMES ARE OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND MEDICS BEING ABLE TO RESPOND. 
          I HEARD A TALE OF A MEDIC WHO HAD TO DRIVE 21 MILES, UM, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO TO RESPOND TO A CALL, WHICH I'M NOT AN, AN EMS PROFESSIONAL, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT IS ABSOLUTELY INAPPROPRIATE AND UNACCEPTABLE. 
          AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THIS BUDGET TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN FASTER, UM, THEN I'D LIKE VERY MUCH TO, FOR THIS COMMITTEE AND THE FOLKS ON THE LINE WHO REPRESENT EMS TO HAVE, UH, A LONGER, MORE, UM, EMERGENT CONVERSATION. 
          UM, ALONG THOSE LINES, THOUGH, I WANTED TO ASK, UM, ABOUT HAZARD PAY AND, UH, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS WITH THIS BUDGET, SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS FREE BUDGET. 
          UM, RECOGNIZING THAT, UM, OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AREN'T RECEIVING HAZARD PAY TROUBLES ME. 
          SO COUNCIL MEMBER RARELY OUT OF HERE, IF I MIGHT JUST RESPOND AND SAY THAT CERTAINLY IF THERE'S A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN THAT REGARD, UM, I KNOW THAT WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN SEEING THAT FEEDBACK, UH, FROM, UH, SIR CONSOLE AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY, UH, AND, AND THE ASSOCIATION. 
          SO WE, AREN'T HAVING A BOTTLE OF MEETING WITH THE ASSOCIATION PRESIDENTS, UH, AND CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS. 
          SO, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, I'D LIKE VERY MUCH TO BE INCLUDED IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND BE KEPT ABREAST OF MOVEMENT TRANSPIRE. 
          AND I THINK MOST OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD PROBABLY AGREE. 
          UM, THE ONE OTHER QUESTION CONCERNED I'D LIKE TO DAYLIGHT IS BACK WHEN DR. 
          S SCOTT WAS, YOU KNOW, EXCLUSIVELY OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR. 
          THIS WAS OVER A YEAR AGO, WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND I'VE BEEN SEEING, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE NATION HAVE SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, DISPARITIES IN DISPATCH, UM, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE BROUGHT UP EARLIER, UH, DEPLOYING THE WRONG RESOURCE, UM, FOR VARIOUS CALLS. 
          AND SO, UM, I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S, I DON'T SEE ANY CONSIDERATION HERE, UM, SPECIFICALLY OR EXPLICITLY RATHER ABOUT DISPATCH ABOUT US NEEDING TO REALLY DIG DEEP AND OVERHAUL OUR DISPATCH SYSTEMS. SO WHERE WOULD THAT FALL IN THIS PIE CHART? UM, OPERATIONS. 
          SO IT COUNTS A NUMBER. 
          IT'S A COMBINATION OF OPERATIONS HERE WITHIN THE EMS DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS WITH THE OFFICE OF MEDICAL DIRECTION WITH DR. 
          S SCOTT 
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INVOLVED. 
          I'LL SAY THAT, UH, COUNSEL DID PROVIDE US WITH, UH, WITH FUNDING IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO CONDUCT A DISPATCH EQUITY AND OPTIMIZATION STUDY. 
          UM, IT HAS TAKEN, UH, ADMITTEDLY SOME TIME TO GET A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS ON THE STREET FOR AN IT CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH THAT STUDY. 
          UH, BUT THAT'S WHERE IT WOULD BE, UH, OCCURRING. 
          AND I WILL SAY THAT, UH, ALONG THE WAY, UH, DR. 
          ESCADA AS WELL AS WITH CHEAPER INGREDIENTS AND, UM, IN THE EMS DEPARTMENT HAVE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN THEY BETTER IMPROVE, UM, DISPATCH, ACCORDING TO HOW THE CALLS COME IN AND THE ACUITY LEVELS AND SO FORTH, UM, REAL QUICK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE ISSUE, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN YOU SAY IT HAS TAKEN QUITE A BIT OF TIME, WHAT'S THE DELAY. 
          SO IT TOOK US SOME TIME TO PUT TOGETHER THE SCOPE OF WORK. 
          WE HAD A, UM, A GOOD GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT INCLUDED PRESIDENTS, UM, AS WELL AS, UH, SOME MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION, UH, TO FINALIZE THAT WORK. 
          AND THEN, UH, IT THEN BECAME AN ISSUE, UH, RESPONSE TO COVID-19. 
          UH, IT HAS TAKEN A LITTLE WHILE TO GET RESPONSES IN. 
          UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THOSE RESPONSES. 
          NOW WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING, EVALUATING PROPOSALS, ANY IDEA ABOUT WHEN WE CAN EXPECT SOME RESOLUTION. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I'D BE GLAD TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY ARE IN THE, UM, THE EVALUATION OF THE HOSES. 
          OKAY. 
          APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ONE LAST QUESTION, UM, CAN YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR THE CITY MANAGER DIRECTLY, BUT, UH, HAVE YOU YOURSELF, UH, OR DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY MANAGER IS MEETING DIRECTLY WITH THE EMS FOLKS? UH, THE UNION FOLKS SPECIFICALLY? UM, I KNOW THAT TA THEIR REQUEST HAS COME TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR THAT, UH, TO MEET WITH, UH, ASSOCIATIONS TO MEET WITH THE MANAGER AND MEET. 
          AND SO WE'RE SETTING UP THAT MEETING. 
          UH, I'M NOT SURE WHEN IT'S SCHEDULED FOR, BUT I'M CERTAIN IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY SOON. 
          OKAY. 
          I CAN IMAGINE THAT YOU ALSO SHARE MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER, CUSTOMER ALTAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF UNDERSCORE, UM, GOT SOME MEMBER OF OUR MADISON'S COMMENTS AND COUNCIL MEMBER KOSSAR'S, WHICH, UM, I RAISED EARLIER, UM, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN, UM, TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, UM, TO MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR EMS PERSONNEL, WHO ARE BEING ASKED TO DO A TREMENDOUS JOB AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, COVID UM, RAY AND I SPOKE, WE SPOKE LAST WEEK. 
          WE'RE SPEAKING AGAIN TODAY. 
          UM, I DO HAVE SOME IDEAS ON THAT SCORE OF THINGS THAT WE CAN DO, AND, AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT THE MANAGER'S OFFICE WILL, UM, SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THOSE. 
          UM, AND IF NOT, I WILL, UM, LIKELY TRY AND BRING A RESOLUTION FORWARD, UM, TO ADDRESS SOME OF, SOME OF THE ISSUES, UM, THAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME EASY FIXES I THINK WE HAVE, UM, FOR ONCE WE HAVE, UH, AND WHILE THERE'S CHALLENGES FROM COVID, THERE ARE CHANGES OF FOOT, UM, AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, IN TERMS OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAY ALLOW US TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. 
          I THINK THAT, UM, WOULD ADDRESS MULTIPLE GOALS THAT WE HAVE AT ONCE. 
          UM, AND, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US BE CREATIVE AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY, UM, AND RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO TAKE, UM, SOME ACTION FOR OUR MEDICS AND ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DELIVERING THE KIND OF SERVICE THAT OUR COMMUNITY, UM, EXPECTS IN TERMS OF AMBULANCE AVAILABILITY, ET CETERA. 
          UM, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THOSE CONVERSATIONS, COUNCILMEMBER TOVA. 
          YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AROUND AVAILABILITY OF AMBULANCES. 
          AND I APPRECIATE, UM, SAVANNAH SHIA AND OTHERS WHO HAVE RAISED THIS ISSUE AND NOTICE AVAIL THAT IS AWARE OF SOME OF THE CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY IN RECENT WEEKS, THAT THIS ISN'T A NEW ISSUE REALLY. 
          AND I WANT TO ASK, UM, IS CRM ARIANA? I DID SUBMIT WE'RE WORKING ON SUBMITTING SOME QUESTIONS THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US UNDERSTAND, UNDERSTAND, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE DATA SHOWS US. 
          UM, LIKELY THERE ARE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE AMBULANCES ARE BEING DEPLOYED AND MAY NOT BE THE RESOURCE THAT NEEDS TO GO OUT. 
          BUT WE, WE ALSO WERE MADE AWARE, UM, A WHILE BACK OF SOME, SOME INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THE SHIFTS THAT TAKE PLACE WITH SOME REGULARITY, WHICH GET TO THE POINT THAT COUNCIL NUMBER AUTHOR STARTED WITH, WHICH IS THAT AT OFTEN, UM, DOWNTOWN IN CENTRAL AUSTIN, THERE 
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ARE, THERE ARE NEEDS DOWN THERE THAT, UM, REQUIRE THE SHIFTING OF AMBULANCES FROM OTHER AREAS. 
          AND SO, AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING ON PULLING TOGETHER SOME QUESTIONS FOR THE Q AND A THAT WOULD HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS SEE IN THE DATA WE DON'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE HOW OFTEN THOSE SHIFTS ARE NECESSARY TO REALLY MEET THE NEEDS, ESPECIALLY OF DOWNTOWN AND HOW OFTEN AMBULANCES FROM OTHER AREAS AND SOME AREAS ARE, ARE COMING DOWNTOWN TO MANAGE THE SUBSTANTIAL CASELOAD IN THERE. 
          CAUSE REMEMBER ELLIS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER ALSO BRINGING UP THE SITUATION ABOUT NUMBER OF AMBULANCES AND MY OFFICE WILL REACH OUT TO YOURS TO SEE IF YOU STILL HAVE SOME QUORUM SPACE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I, SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS THE TRAVIS COUNTRY AREA, WHICH IS VERY EXCITED TO HAVE A NEW FIRE AND EMS STATION BECAUSE OF THE SLOW RESPONSE RATES, UM, DISTRICT DATA IS OFTENTIMES THE ONES WHO WAS LENDING AMBULANCES INTO CENTRAL AUSTIN, AND THEN THEY DON'T COME BACK TO, TO SOUTHWEST. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE PART OF THE OTTAWA AGREEMENT IS, UM, PARTICULARLY USEFUL. 
          UM, CAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAS A QUICK RESPONSE TIME. 
          SO WE'RE CERTAINLY TALKING TO THE ASSOCIATION AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY NOT ONLY HAVE THE PERSONNEL THAT'S NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT EMS PROFESSIONALS CAN HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH DAY IF THEY NEED IT, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID OF THE AMBULANCE AND EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEED. 
          AND ALSO, UH, THE PPE, THE PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTING THEMSELVES THROUGH THIS TIME, ESPECIALLY. 
          UM, SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU KNEW THAT MY OFFICE WAS WORKING ON THAT AS WELL, SO THAT ANYONE WHO NEEDS AN EXTRA PARTNER IN THIS, WE'RE HAPPY TO LEND AN EXTRA VOICE IN SOME RESEARCH TO TRY TO SORT THROUGH THESE ISSUES AND GET THE PROPER SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS THAT EMS IS, UM, ASKING FOR AT THIS TIME. 
          SO I, I THINK A LOT OF US ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING SOME CHANGES IN THE EMS PORTION OF THIS BUDGET. 
          AND, UM, RAY, I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE THIS AS A WAY TO WORK WITH COUNCIL OFFICES ON THIS. 
          UM, MANY OF US ARE HAVING PARALLEL CONVERSATIONS AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE LESS EFFECTIVE IF WE ALL THROUGH THREE OR FOUR OF US BROUGHT DIFFERENT IDEAS. 
          SO IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO FACILITATE COLLABORATION ON HOW TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE. 
          UH, AND I DO WANT TO REITERATE COUNCILMEMBER ALTAIR'S POINT ABOUT, UH, CHANGES AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. 
          AND WE'VE CERTAINLY TALKED TO CONGRESSMAN DOGGETT'S OFFICE, UH, TO HELP TRY AND PUSH THROUGH SOME OF THOSE CHANGES THAT WOULD INCREASE THE REVENUE SIDE OF EMS AND COUNCILOR TOPO TALKS ABOUT AMBULANCES BEING SENT TO THINGS THAT MAY NOT NEED TO BE. 
          I'M VERY INTERESTED IN OUR NEXT SLIDE. 
          WE'RE SENDING FIRE DEVICES TO THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU COULD SEND AN AMBULANCE TO SINCE YOU CAN'T GET A FIRE DEVICE REIMBURSED IN A REVENUE SENSE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EMS SLIDE BEFORE WE MOVE ON? RIGHT? OH, AND THEN THE LAST THING I THINK THE TRAVIS COUNTRY STATION IS ONE THAT'S PRETTY PRETTY ON THE EDGE. 
          IT'S IN THE ETJ OR IS IT RIGHT? JUST INSIDE? NO, IT'S OFF OF TWO 90 AND MOPAC. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I'M THINKING OF A DIFFERENT STATION THEN LIKELY, UM, I KNOW THERE'S ONE IN OAK HILL. 
          THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ONE BEYOND THAT. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S SO STATIONS IN THREE 60 THAT ARE JUST OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN, UM, AND A COUPLE OTHERS EMS MIGHT BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON PARTICULAR. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DISTRACT THIS CONVERSATION TOO MUCH LONGER, BUT, UM, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE OTTAWA AGREEMENT BEING INEQUITABLE ON AUSTIN, TAXPAYERS, SINCE WE CAN NO LONGER AMEX. 
          I THINK THAT DISPARITY ONLY INCREASES OVER TIME. 
          SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MAYBE IN THE FUTURE, GO AHEAD, CHIEF BROWN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE AN AUTO AID AGREEMENT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A, A, AN ILA WITH TRAVIS COUNTY THAT THEY PAY FOR AMBULANCES IN THE COUNTY. 
          UH, BUT THOSE AMBULANCES ARE USED THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          THEY TRAVEL INTO AUSTIN. 
          UM, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON WHERE THEY GET ILA RENEWED. 
          UH, IT'LL RENEW THIS FALL IN OCTOBER. 
          IT WILL COME BEFORE COUNCIL. 
          ALRIGHT, SO LET'S, LET'S PLAN SOME EARLIER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THAT ILA BEFORE IT SHOWS UP ON A COUNCIL MEETING, IF WEDNESDAY, ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S MOVE ON TO THE FIRE IS, UM, PROPOSED THE BUDGET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH THE 14 POINT $2 MILLION INCREASE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 THAT COMES OUT TO ABOUT 6.6%. 
          UM, BUT NEARLY HALF OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH 6.5 MILLION OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH A TRUE UP THE PERSONNEL COSTS THAT BASED UPON A NEW PRICING MODEL, THE BUDGET OFFICE IS COLLABORATED ON WITH THE, UH, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND WE ALSO BROUGHT THE FIRE ASSOCIATION ON TO THAT DISCUSSION. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER MODEL FOR PROJECTING 
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PERSONNEL COSTS, BUT, UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN RECENT YEARS AND IT'S KIND OF GOES BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 19, WHERE THE DEPARTMENT HAD ESTIMATED SOME SAVINGS THAT ULTIMATELY WERE NOT REALIZED, WHICH AFFECTED THE FYI QUANTITY BUDGET, AND IT'S PAUSING SHORTFALLS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. 
          SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET ON TOP OF THIS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT PROBLEM. 
          UM, AND I THINK WE'RE THERE. 
          I THINK WITH THE NEW MODEL WE'VE DEVELOPED AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE, UM, WE, WE HAVE A MORE ROBUST MODEL THAT ALL ALLOW US TO DO A BETTER JOB AT THIS IN THE FUTURE, BUT IN ORDER TO TRUE, THEIR PERSONNEL COSTS UP FROM WHERE IT IS AND WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          UM, WE HAVE INCLUDED SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR THAT. 
          UM, THE REST OF THE INCREASE IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS, LARGELY BEING DRIVEN BY THOSE PERSONNEL COST INCREASES. 
          THE 3% WAGE INCREASES. 
          THEN THE SINGLE BIGGEST COST DRIVER YOU CAN SEE OVER ON THE STAFFING SIDE, 20 ONES, LAUREN POSITIONS ON 16 OF THOSE SORE POSITIONS ARE FOR THE FIRE SIDE OF THE TRAVIS COUNTRY STATION. 
          THAT'LL BE OPENING IN JULY AND THAT LEAVES ANOTHER FIVE, THOSE FIVE OTHER SWORN POSITIONS, ALONG WITH THE SIX CIVILIANS YOU SEE ON YOUR SLIDE, THOSE COMBINED 11 POSITIONS ARE FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW MOVIE CODE. 
          SO THAT WILL BE GOING INTO PLACE IN FISCAL YEAR 21 BUDGET ON, THERE ARE SOME COSTS TO THOSE  POSITIONS INITIALLY IN THE FISCAL YEAR 21 BUDGET. 
          BUT IF WE LOOK FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND THAT PROGRAM FULLY GETS ROLLING, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL BE FULLY OR AT LEAST LARGELY OFFSET BY THE REVENUE THAT'S STARTING OR FOR THE WILLIE CODE INSPECTION FEES. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE SOURCES, I'M NOT A BIG SURPRISE. 
          THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, NONE OF DEPARTMENT ABOUT CHARGING FEES FOR SERVICES, 94.5% OF THEIR REVENUE COMES FROM A TAX SUPPORT. 
          I'M ONLY 11 POINT $8 MILLION IN REVENUE TOTAL. 
          UM, WITH THAT LARGELY COMING ON THE INSPECTION SIDE, THROUGH THE VARIOUS PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS, THEY DO, UH, THAT'S TWO POINT $3 MILLION HIGHER THIS YEAR. 
          AND THAT IS PARTLY BEING DRIVEN BY THE NEW RUBY CODE INSPECTION PROGRAM AND NEWSFEED FOR THE, UM, FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT CODE. 
          AND FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T KNOW, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE, IT'S A, IT'S A WILD URBAN LANDS INTERFACE CODE, UH, W UI, OR WILL WE, UM, ANY QUESTIONS REQUIRED BEFORE WE GO ON TO POLICE? NO, BUT I LOVE HEARING TOO CUSTOMER ALTERED. 
          DID YOU HAVE, UM, YEAH, I'LL HAVE PROBABLY MORE TO SAY WHEN I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THIS, UM, BUDGET, I'M PLEASED TO SEE THE FOOD CODE INCLUDED, UM, AND THAT IMPLEMENTATION, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT STEP. 
          UM, THERE ARE SOME ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS THAT WE HAD ASKED THEM TO DO WHEN WE PASSED THE WE CODE, UM, THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME BUDGETING. 
          UM, I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY PUT THAT REPORT OFF SO THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION THREE DAYS BEFORE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND PERHAPS WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT, UM, INFORMATION THAT IF WE NEED TO MAKE FURTHER ADJUSTMENTS ON THEIR RESPONSES, UM, WE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD DO THAT. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS, UH, UM, THAT, UM, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT FOR MY COLLEAGUES THAT I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME, UM, THIS, THIS BUDGET FOR FIRE, UM, IS SOMEWHAT FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THEY HAVE KNOWN ABOUT PROBLEMS WITH OVERTIME FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          UM, WE ARE ONLY SEEING THIS ON OUR AGENDA FOR THE FIRST TIME IN JULY. 
          AND WE'RE BEING ASKED FOR, I THINK A $5 MILLION AMENDMENT TO ADJUST. 
          THAT'S $5 MILLION. 
          WE CAN'T SPEND ON OTHER THINGS. 
          UM, AND THERE'S A LOT OF BACKSTORY HERE AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE FORTHCOMING WITH COUNSEL WHEN THEIR DECISIONS AND CHOICES THAT NEED TO BE MADE. 
          UM, THIS OVERAGE WAS IDENTIFIED BACK IN LIKE DECEMBER, UM, AND IT IS NOW JULY. 
          UM, AND I HAVE SPOKEN PRIVATELY WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND OTHERS, BUT I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE APPROACHING THIS BUDGET AMENDMENT ON THE AGENDA, ET CETERA, UM, I THINK THAT WE, WE DO NEED BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY ON MORE, UM, DETAILS ON WHAT HAPPENED AND HOW IT'S BEING, UM, PREVENTED FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. 
          THAT WAS GREAT IF I MAY, AND AGAIN, A COUNCIL MEMBER AFTER YOU, AND I HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS ON THIS AS WELL, AND I APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE NEED FOR INCREASED TRANSPARENCY AND TO GIVE A HEADS UP, CERTAINLY IN A MORE FORMAL WAY TO COUNCIL. 
          AND WE START TO APPROACH THESE, UH, THESE, UM, LIMITS, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UH, THERE WILL BE A MEMO THAT DOES PROVIDE MORE DETAIL IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT OCCURRED, UH, SINCE DECEMBER. 
          UH, AND THAT SHOULD BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT DAY OR SO 
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CUSTOMER BALTER. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT THAT'S COMING OUT ON THE NEXT DAY OR SO, BUT I'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THIS FOR MONTHS AND BEEN TOLD THIS MEMO WAS COMING AND COMING AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR A BUDGET AND THAT TRANSPARENCY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS HANDLED IN THE MOST TRANSPARENT WAY. 
          UM, AND IT CONCERNS, IT CONCERNS ME GREATLY. 
          UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK I THINK, TO DO ON FIRE AND, AND MYSELF AND A FEW OTHERS, COUNCILMEMBER ALTERNATIVE. 
          I'VE WORKED A LOT TRYING TO DIG INTO THE DETAILS ON FIRE. 
          IT'S WHAT INITIATED THE EFFICIENCY STUDY WITH EMS, UM, THAT WE JUST HAVE SOME PUBLIC SAFETY RESOURCES BUILT THAT NO LONGER MATCH THE TYPES OF PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS. 
          AND THERE ARE SOME GOOD REASONS FOR THAT. 
          UM, BUT A LOT OF WORK TO DIG INTO HERE, UM, THAT THEY'RE ON ME, FURTHER QUESTIONS ON FIRE, THEN I THINK WE CAN MOVE INTO POLICE. 
          AND I WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO DIG INTO OBVIOUSLY ON THE POLICE BUDGET. 
          UM, AND I, I ALSO WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE WORK THROUGH THIS BETWEEN NOW AND BUDGET ADOPTION IN AUGUST IS, IS NOT THE ENTIRETY OF THE WORK I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO, TO DO MORE THAN WHAT IS IN THE MANAGER'S PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          UM, BUT I AM ALSO NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS AN ANNUAL DEBATE. 
          I THINK WE'RE GOING TO, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT BEYOND THE DETAILS WE DIG INTO TODAY. 
          WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT RAY, IF YOU WANT TO ENGAGE WITH SPENCER IN THIS CONVERSATION, WHAT IS THE SERIES OF BUDGET AMENDMENT? SO WE CAN PLAN MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO WE CAN, AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET DONE IN AUGUST, BUT IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR US AND THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN NOVEMBER AND WE'RE GOING TO DO MORE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN FEBRUARY AND DO MORE BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF WILL DAYLIGHT IS DOABLE FAST. 
          AND SOME OF IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A LITTLE MORE WORK TO ROLL UP, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE PUNT UNTIL THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCILS WANT TO GET TO, I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE WORKING THROUGH. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO SET THAT UP BEFORE ED GIVES US THE HIGH LEVEL VIEW, AND THEN ON POLICE, WE'VE GOT ADDITIONAL SLIDES AS WE GET INTO THE DETAILS. 
          ED, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE IT AWAY? SURE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ON THE POLICE SLIDE HERE AND, UM, UM, FOR A 34 POINT $3 MILLION BUDGET PROPOSED FOR FISCAL YEAR 21, WHICH IS A $200,000 REDUCTION FROM FISCAL YEAR 20TH. 
          SO I'M GOING TO PAUSE RIGHT THERE, BECAUSE RIGHT BEFORE THIS MEETING, I HAD A, UH, CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER OF HARPER, MADISON, WHO WAS ASKING ABOUT THAT. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO JUST NARRATIVELY EXPLAIN THAT NUMBER AND HOW IT RELATES TO 11.3 MILLION AND MAYBE SOME OTHER NUMBERS THAT YOU'VE HEARD. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER IN WRITING, JUST MAKE IT EASY FOR IT TO TRACK. 
          BUT WHILE WE DEVELOP A BUDGET, WE START WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 20 BUDGET, AND THEN WE HAVE TO ADD THINGS TO THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WAGE INCREASE, THE WAGE INCREASE. 
          WE'RE A LARGE DEPARTMENT LIKE POLICE ALONE IS THAT 2% WAGE INCREASE WAS, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN FIVE AND A HALF MILLION, FIVE AND A HALF YEARS, $6 MILLION RING. 
          UM, THEN ON TOP OF THAT, AS PART OF THE POLICE STAFFING PLAN, WE HAD ANTICIPATED ADDING, UM, 30 OFFICERS. 
          SO THOSE TWO THINGS, THAT'S THE PRIMARY DRIVER. 
          THERE'S ALSO SOME SMALL FLUCTUATIONS AND CONTRACTUAL COSTS AND THINGS LIKE A SEVEN POINT $9 MILLION OF BUDGET INCREASES JUST DOING NOTHING DIFFERENT, JUST TAKING THE FISCAL YEAR, WANTING BUDGET, INFLATING IT FOR WAGES AND COST DRIVERS WAS SEVEN POINT $9 MILLION MORE. 
          IT WAS AT THAT POINT FROM THAT BASE POTS BUDGET. 
          WHEN COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION ON JUNE 11TH AND SAID, HEY, WE WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO ADD THOSE 30 POSITIONS THAT WERE PART OF THE BASE BUDGET. 
          AND WE WANT YOU TO ELIMINATE POSITIONS THAT CAN'T BE FILLED, AND WE WANT YOU TO DELAY THE JULY CADET ACADEMY. 
          SO THOSE THREE ACTIONS, UM, PULLED 11.3 MILLION. 
          SO WE STARTED WITH A BUDGET THAT WENT UP 7.9. 
          AND THEN FROM THERE, WE CUT OUT 11.3 MILLION BASED UPON ON COUNCIL AS DIRECT THEN. 
          UM, AND THEN AS WE WERE LOOKING FOR, OKAY, WE'VE JUST CUT 11.3 MILLION OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. 
          UM, WE WERE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO, UM, UM, PUT THOSE DOLLARS BASED UPON THE RESOLUTION. 
          UM, EVEN THE AREAS WE'RE RECOMMENDING IS TWO POINT $3 MILLION TO, UM, START THE REPLACEMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT'S ANTIQUATED RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD SOME RECORDS ISSUES HERE AND WE'RE, UH, OUR BELIEF IS THAT A BIG PART OF THAT PROBLEM IS A 15 YEAR OLD, VERY LIMITED IN ITS CAPABILITY RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT. 
          AND THEN $900,000, THE RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT DOING MORE, UH, RACIAL AND CULTURAL SENSITIVITY TRAINING, MORE PROMINENT FORM OF RESPONSE, TRAINING AND TRAINING ON THE USE OF DISTRIBUTION OF NALOXONE FOR DRUG OVERDOSES. 
          UM, SO WE PUT $900,000 IN THE BUDGET TO ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL TRAININGS TO OCCUR 
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THAT WENT BACK IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. 
          SO THAT WAS A TOTAL OF, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED WITH A 7.9 MILLION INCREASE. 
          AND WHEN WE CUT 11.3 MILLION FROM THAT, AND THEN, UM, FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE RESOLUTION AND OTHER REPORTS, UM, PROPOSED PUTTING 3.2 MILLION OF THAT BACK INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET, ALBEIT FOR VERY DIFFERENT PURPOSES. 
          SO THAT'S THE MAP ON HOW YOU GET TO A 200,000 ALL REDUCTANT, AND WE'LL PUT THAT IN WRITING JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHO'S LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND ARE WRAPPING THEIR HEAD ON IT. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE UNDER THE POSITIONS THAT, UM, THE, THE 70 POSITIONS IS A REDUCTION FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 20 BUCKETS. 
          SO AGAIN, THINK ABOUT FYI . 
          WE HAD ADDED 30 POSITIONS TO IT BASED UPON THE POLICE STAFFING PLAN, SO THAT NORMALLY, UM, BUT FOR THE COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS AND ALL THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY CALLING FOR CHANGE, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A 30 ADDITIONAL SWORN. 
          AND SO THE NET SWING ABOUT HUNDRED FROM WHAT WE WERE GOING TO ADD TO, UM, THE NUMBER THAT WE ACTUALLY CUT. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE ESTIMATE THEY'RE NOT REASONABLY BE FILLED. 
          UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE, I BELIEVE 170 LOREN POSITIONS, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE TIMING OF CADET CLASSES AND ATTRITION RATES, ET CETERA. 
          UM, WE'RE PROJECTING 70 POSITIONS, WON'T BE BUILT AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHERE WE PUT OUT IN BUDGET, UM, ALMOST TOTALLY TAX SUPPORTED DEPARTMENT, 97.4% SUPPORTED THROUGH, UM, REWIND FEE REVENUES. 
          UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE A SMALL DOWN TICK IN THEIR TOTAL REVENUE BEING DRIVEN BY FEWER, UM, UM, ALARM PERMITS, UM, THE BULK OF THEIR BUDGET, 48.5% THAT SHY OF 50% IS FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED POLICING. 
          UM, ESSENTIALLY MY NEXT SLIDES AND I GO, I JUST DRILL DOWN INTO THESE FIVE PIECES A LITTLE BIT. 
          IT'S ALL BELABOR IT TOO MUCH, BUT YOU KNOW, 48.5%, YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE, ON THE, UM, THE NEXT ONE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD BASED POLICING, THAT'S 200, UM, AND 10 POINT $6 MILLION. 
          UM, THAT'S PREDOMINANTLY FOR PATROL ACTIVITIES AND PERIPHERAL SUPPORT, INCLUDING THEIR REGIONAL PATROL DOWNTOWN AREA COMMAND, THE AIRPORT. 
          POLICE ARE PART OF THAT PATROL ACTIVITY. 
          I WOULD ALSO HIGHLIGHT FOR YOU. 
          AND JUST IN THE SAKE OF TIME, I'M NOT GOING TO READ IT ALL THERE, IT'S THERE AS A RESOURCE FOR YOU, BUT I WOULD HIGHLIGHT THAT THIS IS WHERE THE SPECIALIZED PATROL AND EVENT PLANNING, THE PARKS, POLICE, AND LAKE PATROL, AND THE MOUNTED WITH ROLE. 
          UM, WE'VE HEARD SOME QUESTIONS COMING FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT THESE SPECIALIZED FOR BRAWLING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE BEST PLACE FOR THEM, OR MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE IN A DEPARTMENT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICES TO. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ONE FOR YOU HERE. 
          UM, YOU'VE GOTTA JUST GO THROUGH THE NEXT THREE AND THEN THROW OUT THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, FOR THE OPERATION SUPPORT ACTIVITY, TOTAL BUDGET HERE AT 64, OUR PROGRAM, WE POST THE PROGRAM 64 POINT $7 BILLION. 
          THE BIGGEST PIECE THERE, UM, THEIR STRATEGIC SUPPORT ACTIVITY WITH COMPLETED RECORD MANAGEMENT, PRIME ANALYSIS, THEIR BOOKING SERVICES ARE HERE. 
          UM, COMMUNICATIONS IS THE, UH, THE 911 CALL TAKERS. 
          ALL PAPERS PROVIDE SERVICES TO ALL THREE PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT, BUT THEN ALSO GOING TO BE THE, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT DISPATCH THE POLICE OFFICERS AND PART OF THE COMMUNICATION. 
          AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE THE FORENSICS LAB IS HERE PART OF OPS OR SPECIAL OPERATIONS AND ENCOMPASSES YOUR SWAT TEAM CANINE UNITS AND LOCAL COORDINATES TEAM OF VICTIM SERVICES REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT FUNCTION. 
          UM, HERE THERE, UM, ALMOST 5% OF THE PROBLEM, 64 POINT $7 MILLION, UM, OPS SUPPORT. 
          BUT, UM, THESE INDIVIDUALS PROVIDE THE PSYCHOLOGICAL AND EMOTIONAL NEEDS, NOT ONLY OF OUR VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THE COMMUNITY THAT, UM, BEEN, UM, TRAUMATIZED, BUT ALSO FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS EVENTS. 
          AND THEN FINALLY OUR AIR OPERATIONS OR HELICOPTER UNIT IS BASED OUT OF THE OPPOSITE FOR YOU GO ON TO INVESTIGATION JUST ONLY TO HEAR THE INVEST KIND OF SPEAKS FOR ITSELF 62.6, 6 MILLION FOR OUR INVESTIGATION UNIT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME SPECIALIZED AREA, WE'VE GOT A HOMICIDE UNIT, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE UNIT, SEX CRIMES FILED ABUSE, ROBBERY, UM, AND THEN OTHER SMALLER UNITS. 
          SO IT'S OUR INVESTIGATIONS ORGANIZED CRIME FOCUSES, UM, UM, ON WORK RELATED TO NARCOTICS GANG SPREADING ACTIVITIES OR FIREARMS HUMAN TRAFFICKING, UM, ARE, ARE DONE OUT OF OUR ORGANIZED CRIME UNIT. 
          UM, AND THEN FINALLY IN MY LAST REAL SLIDE, 18 POINT $8 MILLION FOR PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS, UM, WHICH IS WHERE YOUR TRAINING INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND RECRUITING ACTIVITIES, UM, ARE I'M IN, UH, I DIDN'T DRILL DOWN ON SUPPORT SERVICES AND TRAINED HERE THAN OTHER REQUIREMENTS, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME TYPES OF THINGS THAT LIKE TALKED ABOUT IN THE YOUNGER DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, MAYBE WE COULD JUST PUT THE LAST SLIDE UP COUNCIL MEMBER, JUST CAUSE IT'S GOT A WEBSITE ON IT THAT IF THERE'S ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, YOU CAN GO TO OUR SPEAK UP AUSTIN AND NOT A WORD WEBSITE, AND YOU GET ACCESS TO THE BUDGET 
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AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO PARTICIPATE. 
          AND WE HAD TOWARD REQUESTED ADOPTION ON AUGUST 13TH AND 14TH. 
          GREAT. 
          SO THANK YOU, ED. 
          UM, SO I'VE GOT THE SLIDES HERE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS ASK QUESTIONS. 
          I CAN JUMP BACK AND FORTH TO DIFFERENT SLIDES IF YOU WANT THEM PULLED UP. 
          I WANTED TO SHOW ONE MORE THING. 
          THIS WAS A CHART THAT WAS IN THE AUSTIN MONITOR THAT SHOWS THE YEAR THAT WE, AS AN ACCOUNTING MEASURE, WENT TO THIS TRANSFERS CATEGORY. 
          AND I'VE SEEN SOME, SOME COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY DID THE POLICE BUDGET JUMP UP SO MUCH IN AN FYI 15? IT WASN'T THAT THERE WAS A HUGE, ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT IN POLICE. 
          IT WAS BASICALLY HOW DEPARTMENTS WERE BEING ACCOUNTED FOR AS A, AS A BUDGET MEASURE. 
          SO THE, THIS WAS IN THE MONITOR RECENTLY, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD SIGN TO SHOW THERE. 
          THERE WAS NOT SOME, SOME BIG INVESTMENT IN POLICE IN 2015, IT WAS JUST ABOUT ACCOUNTING AND HOW DOLLARS ARE ALLOCATED. 
          BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THAT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, MAYOR PRO TEM? AND YOU MENTIONED THE 7.9 WAS, UM, UH, COST DRIVERS. 
          IS THAT PURELY SWORN STAFF CAUSE OF CONTRACTS OR IS THAT A, IS THAT A MIX OF CONTRACTS, EXCUSE ME. 
          AND THE PROPOSED INCREASE FOR NON-SWORN AND WHAT EXACTLY IS THAT SOME IMPORTANT, THAT'S A MIX THIS THE 7.9 WITH PARTLY THE COST FOR THOSE 30 OFFICERS. 
          AND WE WERE GOING TO ADD AND GET AN ADD ON, BUT IT'S ALSO THE 2% THAT FOR CONTRACT WE'RE OFFICERS AND THE 2% THAT THE STAFF IS PROPOSING FOR CIVILIANS, THEN THERE'S OTHER PROVISIONS IN THE CONTRACT, LIKE STEPPING FREEZES, THEY POSSIBLY ADDITIONAL MONEY, EVERY BUDGET. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY THOSE THREE THINGS IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT 7.9 MILLION BASE BUDGET INCREASE, BUT THAT'S, IT'S PURELY PERSONNEL LIKE IT'S IT'S WAGES, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          I WON'T SAY PURELY, BUT SAY 95%. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WITH REGARDS TO THE, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT, I'M PLEASED, CORRECT ME, ANYBODY, IF I'M WRONG ABOUT THE, I THINK THAT'S IN RESPONSE TO THE TATUM REPORT ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS GOING MISSING AND I THOUGHT, AND THAT COULD BE WRONG. 
          THAT WAS ABOUT MORE LIKE AN HR KIND OF FUNCTION. 
          LIKE, UM, I GUESS IF SOMEBODY HAD BEEN REPRIMANDED FOR SOMETHING AND ARE MAYBE I'M TOTALLY OFF, BUT I, OH YEAH. 
          MAYBE I CAN TURN IT TO CHIEF ON THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT. 
          AND I KNOW WHEN I WAS BRIEFING ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TALKING ABOUT THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, I REFERENCED THAT PAID ON REPORT AND KIND OF UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE TATUM REPORT, BUT THERE'S OTHER REASONS FOR THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND OTHER LIMITATIONS THAT WE REALLY DO FEEL WE NEED TO REPLACE IT, TO IMPROVE CURRENT PARENTS AND PROVIDE BETTER ACCESS TO RECORDS AND MORE QUALITY RECORDS. 
          BUT I THINK I MISSPOKE A BIT WHEN I WAS BRIEFING THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND SPECIFICALLY SAYING, AND TO DO WITH PATINA REPORT AND MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          I'LL JUMP IN FOR JUST A MOMENT ON THAT ONE. 
          SO YES, THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS THE CORE FUNCTION WHERE WE WRITE ALL OF THE OFFENSE REPORTS FOR ALL OF THE CALLS THAT OFFICERS RESPOND TO. 
          AND THEN IT'S THE REPOSITORY FOR ALL OF THAT DATA, SUCH AS WHO WAS INVOLVED. 
          WHEN DID IT HAPPEN, WHERE DID IT HAPPEN? THAT ALLOWS US TO DO ALL OF THAT ANALYSIS. 
          THE TATUM REPORT WAS MORE HITTING ON HOW WE WERE STORING DOCUMENTS, MOSTLY RELATED TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATIONS. 
          SO IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THAT USES AN ICMS DATABASE, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. 
          WHAT THIS IS, IS THAT WE'VE GOT A SYSTEM THAT'S ROUGHLY 15 YEARS OLD AND OVER THE YEARS THEY'VE PUT OUT PATCHES AND UPDATES AND IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE'RE AT THE POINT NOW TO WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE, UH, THE SYSTEM ITSELF, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH NEW TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE THAT WILL AFFORD US SO MANY MORE OPPORTUNITIES, UH, TO ANALYZE OUR DATA, TO REALLY DIG INTO SOME OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISPARITIES AND DISPROPORTIONAL OUTCOMES AND A LOT OF THE DATA THAT IS NOT CAPTURED IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT LIMITS OUR ABILITIES AT TIMES TO DO THAT DEEPER ANALYSIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT, WHAT I GUESS, HOW THAT WAS EXPLAINED TO US BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DATA. 
          SO I'M, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, BUT I'M STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE, HOW WE HAVE AN OVERALL REDUCED, UM, APGS BUDGET. 
          AND SO I'LL JUST, THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. 
          I JUST QUICKLY, UM, THE POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER AND YOU MADE SURE FLANAGAN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHOWING A PATH TO REDUCTION THAT IT MAY NOT ALL 
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HAPPEN. 
          I GUESS I'M, I'M MORE ON THE SIDE OF SEEING A DRAMATIC REDUCTION AND THEN HAVING CHECK-INS ALONG THE WAY, UM, JUST TO HOLD OUR FEET TO THE FIRE, UM, AS, AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD, THAT THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S THE SIDE I WOULD PREFER TO BE ON IS MORE SIGNIFICANT, UM, SEEING MORE SIGNIFICANT CUTS AND THEN ASSESSING AS WE, AS WE MOVED DOWN THE ROAD AND INTO, INTO THE YEAR. 
          THANKS. 
          PERFECT, TIM. 
          I THINK WE'RE ROUGHLY ON THE SAME PLACE WITH THAT. 
          IT'S JUST, YOU'RE USING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WORDS. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. 
          COUNCILMEMBER CASAR, THERE'S BEEN A CONVERSATION FOR SOME TIME NOW ABOUT MOVING FORENSICS OUT OF APD AND MAKING IT ITS OWN INDEPENDENT, UH, OPERATION. 
          AND WE ENDED UP GETTING A FINAL RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. 
          AND WHAT WOULD BE THE, WHAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGES OR BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, GETTING THAT DONE THIS, UH, IN THIS BUDGET? SO COUNCIL, MATTER OF FACT, I'D TAKE A SWING AT THAT. 
          AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE TAKING A LOOK, THERE'S A GROUP THAT'S TAKING, LOOK, YOU HAVE THE DNA LABS SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS A PART OF THE FORENSIC SCIENCE BUREAU. 
          WE'RE ALMOST AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS, HAVING GONE THROUGH THE WORKING GROUP AND NOW POISED TO DO A BRIEFING FOR THE CIVILIAN ADVISORY WORKING GROUP THAT, UH, COUNSEL, UH, PUT IN PLACE AND AFTER WHICH WE WILL BRING TO THE COUNCIL, THAT FINAL REPORT AND BE POSITIONED TO HAVE A BRIEFING FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE CERTAINLY IS AN INTEREST IN, AND AT LEAST FOR THE LAB ITSELF, UH, TO BE SEPARATE, AS WE'VE HEARD FROM, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH ON THIS WORKING GROUP AND MY EXTENSION COULD APPLY TO THE FORENSIC SCIENCE BUREAU IN TOTAL. 
          I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT IN A THOUGHTFUL WAY. 
          UM, CERTAINLY YOU COULD SAY HERE IT IS TODAY AND THERE IT IS TOMORROW, BUT THAT DOESN'T, UM, NECESSARILY ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THOSE CONNECTIONS MADE? WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT, UM, MAKING THOSE CHANGES? AND SO CERTAINLY THERE'S ALSO A CHANGE MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. 
          I MEAN, EVEN AS SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS POTENTIALLY HR MANAGEMENT, UH, HR EXPERTISE WITHIN APD REQUIRES SOME THOUGHTFUL REVIEW BEFORE YOU MAKE A CHANGE. 
          AND SO JUST GENERALLY, UH, WE'RE CERTAINLY THIS IS AN AREA AND THE FORENSIC SCIENCE BUREAU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY POTENTIALLY FOR MID, BY ANY, A MID YEAR BUDGET CHANGE TO EFFECTUATE THAT KIND OF A THING. 
          AND SO I, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY THAT PARTICULAR INITIATIVE IS. 
          AND WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING ON BRINGING THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL? AND WHEN ARE YOU MAKING THAT, LIKE YOU NAMES ABOUT THREE STEPS, WHEN ARE THOSE TIMELINES? AND SO WE'RE SCHEDULING A, IN THE PROCESS OF SCHEDULING THE ADVISORY PANEL, UH, UM, BRIEFING IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE AT THIS JUNCTURE IN AUGUST. 
          UH, ONCE THAT IS DONE, THEN WE'LL MAKE A, A LITTLE RELEASE SUPPORT TO COUNCIL IN ITS ENTIRETY AND THEN SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE AUGUST POTENTIALLY SEPTEMBER-ISH AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEES, UH, AGENDA, IT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. 
          I KNOW THERE MIGHT BE LEGAL CHALLENGES. 
          HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHETHER INTERNAL AFFAIRS, UM, APPROPRIATELY FITS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR IF IT COULD FIT OUTSIDE OF IT? DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S LEGAL BARRIERS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? SO AGAIN, THESE ARE AREAS AND PARTICULARLY FOR THE INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A VERY COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED. 
          UH, WE WERE MENTIONING, UH, POTENTIALLY LEGAL CHALLENGES THAT MIGHT HAVE LIMITATIONS AS WELL. 
          SO THAT ONE BROADLY HAS A LONGER LEAD ITEM. 
          I WOULD S I DARE SAY, UH, WHAT OUR INTENT IS AS WE, UH, THE CORE LEADERSHIP TEAM, AS WE TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MIGHT GET TO THAT PATH. 
          I THINK THAT THE CHAIR IS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE CAN CONSIDER EARLY ON, UH, THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD. 
          AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS POTENTIALLY LIKE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS THAT MIGHT REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DEPTH STUDY BEFORE WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I THINK BY LAW, THIS ISN'T A QUESTION, BUT THERE MAY BE A REQUEST FOR FOLKS THAT WOULD BE, WE COULD GET THE BUDGET NUMBER OF WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE IF WE DIDN'T HIRE, UH, PATROL POSITIONS IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE AREN'T HIRING LOTS OF CIVILIAN POSITIONS RIGHT NOW, AND WE'RE IN A BUDGET FREEZE ON THOSE, IT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT TO THE BUDGET OF THAT WOULD BE. 
          SO IT WORKED OUT IT'S OKAY IF YOU HAVEN'T JUST WANTED TO CHECK ED THAT, SORRY. 
          UM, NO, WE HAVE NOT RUN THOSE NUMBERS YET. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON BELIEFS BECAUSE 
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OF HOW THE CADET ACADEMY, WHERE YOU DON'T JUST SAY, WE'RE GOING TO RECRUIT FOR A POSITION AND HIRE IT. 
          YOU KNOW, TWO MONTHS LATER, WE ACTUALLY, BASED ON THE TIMING OF THE GOOD ED CLASSES, UM, UH, CHIEF MANLEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP ME WITH IT, BUT I PRETTY SURE WE'RE DELAYING THE JULY CADET CLASS. 
          THE NEXT ONE I BELIEVE IS IN NOVEMBER AFTER THAT, MAYBE MARCH OF 2021. 
          AND I THINK THEY DID ANOTHER ONE MAYBE IN JULY OF 21. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF, ARE WE GONNA DO THOSE CADET CLASSES OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, A SEVEN MONTH PROCESS THAT GRADUATE ROUGHLY 65 INDIVIDUALS. 
          SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE HIERARCHY. 
          THAT'S JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION IN MASS ABOUT, ARE WE GOING TO DO THE CONTENT CLASS OR NOT? WE'RE GOING TO DO IT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NEED TO BRING ON ALL THE CADETS AND ALL THAT. 
          JUST BE USEFUL TO KNOW WHAT THE COST IS OF EACH OF THOSE THREE CLASSES. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE OFF THE CUFF. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT A CADET CLASS PROCESS ABOUT TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS FOR RUN FOR THE WEIGHT OF THE CADETS PLUS THE COST OF TRAINING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, ONCE THEY GRADUATE, THERE'S ROUGHLY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR NEW OFFICER. 
          SO ADD THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU, YOU'RE VERY GOOD AT PROVIDING INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL OFFICES. 
          AND YOU'VE SHARED WITH MY OFFICE A KIND OF A LINE ITEM FROM FISCAL YEAR 20, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          UM, IT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL LEVELS OF DETAIL BEYOND A POWERPOINT SLIDE. 
          UM, SOME OF THE AREAS THAT I'M INTERESTED IN, UM, WELL, I WANT TO START WITH THIS. 
          WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE STATE LAWS THAT REQUIRE SWORN STAFF TO BE MANAGED. 
          I SWORN DEPARTMENT HEADS. 
          SO THE CHIEF, UM, BUT I DON'T THINK THOSE STATE LAWS REQUIRE THE BUDGETS TO BE MANAGED BY THE SWORN LEADERSHIP. 
          I THINK YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT LEADERSHIP IN CHARGE OF THE BUDGET THAN YOU HAVE IN CHARGE OF THE OPERATIONS AS DEFINED IN STATE LAW. 
          AND AGAIN, THE GOVERNOR HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR. 
          WE SHOULD BE SEEKING OUT EVERY LOOPHOLE THAT WE CAN FIND IN STATE LAW TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND SO I AM TAKING THAT TO HEART. 
          SO THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN CHANGE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK OUR ARE INCREDIBLY SUBSTANTIVE. 
          AND THEN I THINK THERE ARE BUDGET CHANGES KIND OF TO THE MAYOR PRO TEMPS POINT BUDGET CHANGES WE CAN AND MAKE NOW THAT SHIFTED WHICH CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP IS IN CHARGE OF MOVING THAT AREA FORWARD. 
          AND IT WOULD BE A BUDGET CHANGE WE COULD MAKE NOW. 
          UM, THE AREAS THAT I'M ABOUT TO MEET WOULD BE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE, WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT AND IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR THE, FOR THE COUNCIL TO JUST AMEND THE BUDGET AND MOVE THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT LINE ITEM OVER TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT. 
          WHILE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE MANAGEMENT OF SWORN STAFF HAVE TO BE DONE BY SWORN LEADERSHIP. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          THERE ARE LINE ITEMS FOR PARK POLICE AND LAKE PATROL. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT LINE ITEMS RELATED TO COMMUNICATIONS THERE, THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT, RIGHT? LIKE THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IN THE  BUDGET WAS ALMOST 20 MILLION. 
          THE COMMUNICATIONS, WHEN YOU START PICKING OUT THE INDIVIDUAL PIECES, YOU GET, I THINK OVER 20 MILLION, WHEN YOU START ADDING UP ALL THE COMMUNICATIONS PARTS, AND IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT MUCH OF THE COMMUNICATIONS IS SWORN, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF IT IS CIVILIAN. 
          SO WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE, LIKE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, BECKY MOVED OVER, SAY TO CTM, OR SHOULD THERE BE A SEPARATE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS THAT IS PART HOMELAND SECURITY THAT IS PART FIRE AND EMS COMMUNICATIONS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER POSITIONED TO WORK AT A REGIONAL LEVEL. 
          RIGHT. 
          I SIT ON THE CAP COD BOARD, WHICH IS ALSO THE REGIONAL EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DISTRICT, IF I'VE GOT THE NAME RIGHT. 
          UH, WHICH ALLOCATES THE FEES THAT PEOPLE SEE ON THEIR PHONE BILLS TO NINE 11 COMMUNICATIONS. 
          UH, WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE DEPARTMENT THAT DOES NINE 11 IT'S SPREAD ACROSS MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO WHAT WOULD IT MEAN TO SHIFT THOSE AROUND, INTO AN EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT THAT COULD THEN HAVE METRICS SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED ON CHANGES TO DISPATCH, YOU KNOW, JUST MOVING TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OVER TO THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT MIGHT ALSO CHANGE THE METRICS THAT WE'RE USING TO MEASURE THE STAFF THAT OPERATE UNDER THAT LINE. 
          YEAH. 
          ITEM WHERE I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS, WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS SAYING. 
          AND WHAT I THINK I'M REPEATING IS THAT WE WANT TO SHIFT FROM PUNITIVE ENFORCEMENT TO PROTECT, SUPPORT AND COMPLY. 
          AND THERE ARE IDEAS THAT CAN SHIFT HOW WE MANAGE IT, SAFETY ON OUR ROADS THAT MIGHT BE YEAH. 
          BENEFIT FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, BEING AN EQUAL PARTNER TO THAT CONVERSATION IN A WAY MAYBE THEY'RE NOT NOW, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF IDEAS THAT I THINK ARE DOABLE IN AN AUGUST BUDGET, BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST ESSENTIALLY ADDING A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT, HEAD TO THE INTERNAL STAFF CONVERSATION. 
          AND BY THE TIME YOU ADD 
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ALL THOSE THINGS UP, YOU REALLY ARE COMING UP ON A HUNDRED MILLION KIND OF SOONER THAN YOU THINK THAT THAT'S THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT I'M LOOKING FOR, THAT I'M LOOKING TO, TO OFFER AS BUDGET AMENDMENTS. 
          SO WHEN WE SEE THE FYI 21 LINE ITEM VERSION, WHICH, UM, I'M SURE THE PUBLIC WILL ALSO WANT TO SEE, SO STAFF, YOU CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO PUBLISH THAT, OR IF YOU WANT ME TO PUBLISH IT ON THE MESSAGE BOARD. 
          UM, I ASKED TO PROVIDE THAT THROUGH A BUDGET QUESTION AND JUST POSTED IT IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD STUFF IN THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE ARE PARTS OF THAT LINE ITEM THAT I WONDER, UM, HOW WE MIGHT HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EFFICACY, LIKE MOUNTED PATROL. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE HEARING A LOT OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATION ON MOUNTED PATROL AND THE ROLE THAT IT PLAYS. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS AN ITEM ON AN AGENDA PREVIOUSLY THAT WE POSTPONED ABOUT EXTENDING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR MOUNTED PATROL SUPPORT. 
          UM, I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A UNNECESSARY EXPENDITURE AND YOU START I'M, I'M CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, AIR SUPPORT IS, IS 2 MILLION. 
          I'M WONDERING IF, UH, IF THAT IS THE TYPE OF OPERATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE JUST THROUGH APD, OR MAYBE WE COULD BE LOOKING AT A REGIONAL PARTNERSHIP THROUGH CAP COD WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT MIGHT ALSO LIKE TO USE AIR SUPPORT IN THE FEW TIMES THAT IT'S NECESSARY. 
          SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN USE THE BUDGET AMENDMENT PROCESS TO SHIFT IN MORE CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP OVER BUDGET AREAS LIKE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AND COMMUNICATIONS THAT WILL SHIFT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THIS BUDGET OVER WHILE THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE ON THE PATROL PART OF THE BUDGET, THIS 48.5% NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING, WHERE IT IN THE LIGHT ON BREAKS IT OUT BY REGION BREAKS IT OUT BY COMMAND AREA. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS GET KIND OF SMALL BY COMPARISON. 
          I CAN LOOK AT A REGION TO ADAM, WHICH IS EVEN BIGGER THAN MY COUNCIL DISTRICT. 
          MY COUNCIL DISTRICT IS SMALLER THAN REGION TO ADAM AND ALL OF THE LINE ITEMS FOR REGION TWO, ADAM, THE  BUDGET WAS JUST 14 MILLION. 
          SO WHEN YOU START BREAKING IT DOWN BY PARTS OF TOWN, YOU START TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT 434 MILLION OF OFFICERS PATROLLING THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT GETS A LOT MORE COMPLICATED. 
          AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE AREAS I'M INTERESTED IN INCREASING LIKE, UM, UM, UH, WHAT WAS THE ONE I'M GONNA HAVE TO SCROLL? CAUSE I LOST IT ALL. 
          I LOST MY PLACE INVESTIGATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE VALUE IN INCREASED RESOURCES FOR INVESTIGATION, CERTAINLY ON SEXUAL ASSAULT, WHICH MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES I'VE WORKED ON, BUT MAYBE IN OTHER AREAS, WE ARE A GROWING CITY THAT IS MEAN THERE. 
          SOME, THESE INCIDENTS OF PRIME ARE GOING TO INCREASE AND WE MAY WANT MORE INVESTIGATION. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD IS AT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I WANT TO GET ALL THE KENNEDY MEMBERS FIRST AND WE'LL MOVE ON COUNCILMEMBER KITCHEN. 
          UM, I THINK YOU MAY HAVE ANSWERED THIS. 
          I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM, SO, UM, THE, THE THREE CADET CLASSES THAT YOU MENTIONED, THE, UH, THE BUDGET, THE CURRENT PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDES BOTH THE COSTS OF THOSE THREE CLASSES, PLUS THE, UM, PERSONNEL THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED TO GO THROUGH THOSE THREE CLASSES, IS THAT CORRECT? AND THOSE CLASSES WERE IN THE FALL AND IN THE SPRING AND NEXT SUMMER, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YES. 
          THE BUDGET WOULD INCLUDE THE FUNDING TO RUN THOSE CLASSES. 
          AND THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CADETS GRADUATING TWO OFFICERS DURING THE YEAR, WE'VE INCLUDED THE FUNDING TO ALLOW THAT IT HAPPENS, BUT I WOULD DEFER TO , WE'LL BE PLANNING FOR THAT'S A GOOD ESTIMATION. 
          UH, AND WHAT WE LOOK TO DO IS ABOUT EVERY FOUR MONTHS START THAT NEXT CLASS. 
          SO ASSUMING WE GET ONE STARTED IN NOVEMBER, YOUR, YOUR TIMELINE WAS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THEN I WOULD JUST LIKE, I THINK THAT SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE I ALREADY ASKED FOR THIS, BUT I'D LIKE TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH EACH OF THOSE CLASSES, BOTH THE CLASS, PART OF IT AND THE, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, STAFFING PART OF IT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT, UH, COUNCIL, UH, CHEER, FLANAGAN, I THINK YOU ASKED MY OTHER QUESTION, WHICH, WHICH WAS REALLY, UH, RELATED TO DISPATCH. 
          UH, AND THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT EARLIER IS I, I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT PERHAPS A DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH WOULD PUT ALL THAT IN TOGETHER, WHICH I THINK IS SOMETHING OF INTEREST GOING FORWARD. 
          SO, UM, THAT ANSWERS MY OTHER QUESTION, EXCEPT THAT I WAS A BIT CONFUSED. 
          CAUSE THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION EARLIER RAY ABOUT, UM, MAYBE I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING IT ABOUT SOME, UM, CONSULTANT ANALYSIS. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WAS RELATED 
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TO DISPATCH. 
          MAYBE I WAS MISUNDERSTANDING. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK YOU HEARD IT CORRECTLY AGAIN, BASED ON THE PROPOSAL, THE MANAGER MADE A IN THE CURRENT YEAR, FYI AT 20, TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE DISPATCH EQUITY AND OPTIMIZATION. 
          UH, AND SO WE'RE JUST IN THE PROCESS AND I GOT A, UM, AN UPDATE, UH, THAT THE PROPOSAL IS GOING TO BE EVALUATED ON 31ST OF JULY. 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY DISPATCH, YOU MIGHT MAYBE I'M LUMPING TWO THINGS TOGETHER IS DISPATCH DIFFERENT THAN THE CALL CENTER AND THE CALL TAKERS. 
          IT IS NOT, I THINK I'M USING A GENERIC TERM IN TERMS OF DISPATCH, ACTUALLY QUEEN'S CALL TAKING AS WELL. 
          AND THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT A FIRE AND EMS DISPATCH AND EMS DISPATCH AND CALL TAKING. 
          SO IT'S NOT LOOKING AT POLICE, FIRE AND EMS. UH, NO, THIS IS TO LOOK IRONY AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN IS I ACTUALLY SEE THIS AS, UM, I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THESE, UM, TOGETHER, BECAUSE I SEE THAT IN PARTICULAR CALL TECH CALL TAKER PERSPECTIVE OF THAT WHEN SOMEONE CALLS IN, WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT POLICE, FIRE, EMS, OR MENTAL HEALTH, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT, WHAT IS NEEDED. 
          AND SO THE CALLER HAS THE OPTIONS OF ALL FOUR. 
          AND SO WHICH REALLY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ARGUES FOR SOME, UM, SOME CONSOLIDATION OR COORDINATION OF THOSE. 
          AND SO I LIKED THE CONCEPT THAT YOU WERE SUGGESTING, UM, UH, COUNCILMEMBER FLANAGAN. 
          SO I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, RIGHT. 
          IF WE'RE JUST, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT DISPATCH JUST FOR FIRE AND EMS, UM, I'D LIKE TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT IS, HOW THAT'S EXPANDED IN TERMS OF WHAT ANALYSIS NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR, UH, FOR POLICE OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, I, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE HERE. 
          AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A, UH, AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT THE COMMUNITY IS, HAS MADE SOME VERY SPECIFIC REQUESTS. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN DO MORE THAN WHAT THE MANAGER'S BUDGET PROPOSED, BECAUSE I THINK THE COUNCIL IS MORE WILLING TO USE THE BUDGET AS A LEADING INDICATOR FOR CHANGE, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING UNTIL YOU'VE DEVELOPED THE FULL SOLUTION AND THEN CHANGE THE BUDGET. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO DO IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHY THE MANAGER AND THE STAFF WOULD DO IT THE WAY THEY DID IT. 
          UM, ALSO, UH, ED, WOULD YOU VERIFY THIS SLIDE THAT WE HAVE UP WHERE IT SAYS SWORN WITH THE MINUS 70? I KNOW YOU SET UP, BUT I WANT TO PUT UP, PUT UP KIND OF PERIOD ON THE END OF THE SENTENCE, THAT'S NOT FIRING 70 OFFICERS, RIGHT? YOU'RE CURRENTLY VACANT POSITION, RIGHT. 
          AND EVEN REDUCING BY 70, THERE ARE STILL HOW MANY IN THIS PROPOSED BUDGET, VACANT POSITIONS IN THE PROPOSALS, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A HUNDRED VACANT POSITIONS, WHEN YOU GET BUILT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, YOU GET THOSE CADET CLASSES, RIGHT? SO, UM, I'M ALSO INTERESTED IN, IN MAYBE RETHINKING HOW WE TREAT VACANT POSITIONS AND RATHER THAN, RATHER THAN HAVING VACANT POSITIONS BE SALARIES ALLOCATED THAT THEN GETS SPENT IN OVERTIME, WHICH IF I'M UNDER, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THAT'S GENERALLY HOW IT'S DONE OR AM I REMEMBERING THAT WRONG? IT'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO I CAN'T REMEMBER IT'S DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND, UM, AN THING TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE, WE DO ALSO BUDGET WHAT WE CALL A VACANCY SAVINGS AMOUNT. 
          UM, SO AS COUNCIL LOOKS AT THE VACANT POSITIONS AND MAYBE DECIDE, YOU WANT TO REDUCE MORE VACANT POSITIONS, YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT WE HAVE BUDGETED IN EXCESS OF $12 MILLION, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WELDING IN DOLLAR, IT'S A VACANCY SAVING, THAT'S A NEGATIVE NUMBER. 
          WE ACTUALLY BUDGET AND NEGATIVE DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR VACANCY SAVINGS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF VACANT POSITIONS AND THAT THEY WON'T COOLLY EXPEND THOSE DOLLARS DURING THE YEAR. 
          UM, SO THAT'S JUST PART OF THE CALCULUS THAT YOU'LL NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT SOME OF THESE FURTHER REDUCTIONS IN VACANCIES, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT IT TO GO, WE'LL HAVE THE SAME SAVINGS THAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          THEY COULD SEE SAVINGS DYNAMIC. 
          WE ESSENTIALLY, WE ARE TRYING TO BUDGET FOR IT. 
          I FIND THAT THE VACANCIES ARE, ARE LESS THE ISSUE BECAUSE THEY'RE MORE A FACTOR OF HOW QUICKLY AND EFFECTIVELY WE CAN RECRUIT AND TRAIN. 
          WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITY IS WE NEED TO BE INVESTING IN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T OFTEN SEE THAT PART OF THE SAUSAGE MAKING WERE WE'RE INDEPENDENTLY AUTHORIZING THE NUMBER OF SWORN AND THE DOLLAR NUMBERS. 
          AND SO YOU GET INTO THIS, 
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THIS ACCOUNTING LIGHT ITEMS SITUATION, THAT'S WHERE HER KITCHEN. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO YOU SAID THAT THE VACANCY SAVINGS AMOUNT IS ESTIMATED AT 12 MILLION, BUT THERE'S ONLY A HUNDRED VACANT POSITIONS, RIGHT? SO A HUNDRED VACANT POSITIONS IS 10 MILLION, RIGHT? SO WOULDN'T THE, WOULD THE VACANCY SAVINGS AMOUNT BE SOME PERCENTAGE OF THE VACANT PERCENT, A VACANT AMOUNT? IS THAT THE WAY IT WORKS? WELL, THE THING YOU HAVE TO BE ON AN EXTENDED ACCOUNT REMEMBER IS THAT ON TOP OF THE A HUNDRED VACANT POSITIONS, THE DEPARTMENT TRIPS ABOUT SEVEN OR EIGHT PER MONTH, THAT NUMBER WILL GROW DURING THE YEAR. 
          UM, EVEN DURING A CADET CLASS, THAT NUMBER WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. 
          AND THEN THE CADET CLASS GRADUATES, AND THERE'LL BE A REDUCTION OF ABOUT 65 PEOPLE AND IT STARTS GROWING AGAIN. 
          SO, UM, IT'S NOT JUST THE A HUNDRED NOW IT'S ADMISSION OVER YOUR DIVISION. 
          SO WHAT IS THE 12 MILLION BASED ON, IN TERMS OF THE, OF THE ESTIMATE OF THE VACANT POSITION? IT'S BASED UPON A HISTORICAL ANALYSIS, KIND OF LIKE LOOKING AT TRADITIONAL ATTRITION RATES AND VACANCY LEVEL OF LOGISTICAL DEPARTMENT, WE DO IT FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS. 
          YOU SEE GENERALLY, WHAT KIND OF CURRENCY RATES DO THEY RUN OUT? WHAT SAVINGS IS THAT RESULT IN OUR MOUNTAIN SAVINGS CAN DEPEND UPON THE DEPARTMENT. 
          CAUSE SOME DEPARTMENTS LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, MAYBE YOU'D ALL THAT SAVINGS YOU'LL SEE DONE OVER TIME BASIS. 
          IT REALLY ISN'T EVEN SAVING. 
          SO THOSE ARE JUST KIND OF THINGS THAT GO INTO IT AND IT REALLY COMPLICATED ANALYSIS AND IT VARIES BY DEPARTMENT. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL IT'S OFFLINE SO THAT NOT SO AS NOT TO USE THE TIME OF THE COMMITTEE, I WANT TO, I WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY POSITIONS THE 12 MILLION IS BASED ON. 
          YEAH. 
          I'VE ALSO ASKED FOR AN ANALYSIS OF ATTRITION AND THE IMPACT OF THE BUDGET. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FACTOR KIND OF PENSION IMPACTS AS WELL AS WE'RE ALSO HAVING AN COUNCILOR ALTER WHO CHAIRS, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE KNOWS WE'RE HAVING A SEPARATE CONVERSATION ABOUT PENSION ISSUES. 
          AND SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT. 
          SO COUNCILMAN WE'RE PLANNING AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT'LL BE SHARED FOR ALL OF US TO SEE, I ASSUME. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          MY LAST QUESTION, AND THEN WE'LL GO ON TO THE NINE ONE, ONE ANALYSIS. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN DELICATE, BUT THE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CALLS FROM THE POLICE ASSOCIATION TO, UM, NOT RESPOND TO CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN RESPONDING TO. 
          SO I'M NOT SURE IF, IF CHIEF, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU OR IF IT'S A QUESTION FOR ED, BUT IF THE, IF OFFICERS ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO FEWER CALLS, DO WE EXPECT TO SEE THAT REFLECTED IN A SAVINGS AND OVERTIME OR AN INCREASE IN UNCOMMITTED TIME? HOW WILL WE TRACK WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S ACTUALLY OCCURRING AND HOW MIGHT WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET? WELL, I'LL GO FIRST. 
          AND THAT IS, I HAVE NO EXPECTATION THAT OFFICERS WILL RESPOND TO FEWER CALLS UNLESS WE MAKE CHANGES TO OUR OPERATIONS. 
          AND THAT THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT'S GIVEN. 
          UH, I DON'T SEE THIS AS NECESSARILY AN IMPACT TO OVERTIME. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, OFFICER'S RESPONDING TO CALLS. 
          THEY'RE DOING THAT ON THEIR REGULAR DUTY TIME. 
          THAT'S NOT A DRIVER FOR OVERTIME COSTS. 
          NOW, IF YOU BRING UP UNCOMMITTED TIME, IF WE WERE TO THROUGH ORGANIZATIONAL OR OPERATIONAL CHANGES, REDUCE THE CALLS, DIRECT OFFICERS, REDUCE THE CALLS THAT THEY RESPOND TO, THEN THAT WOULD CREATE ADDITIONAL UNCOMMITTED TIME, POTENTIALLY DEPENDING UPON WHAT WE SEE IN CALL GROWTH, BEING THE GROWING CITY THAT WE ARE KNOWING THAT AS THE POPULATION INCREASES, THE CALLS FOR SERVICE WILL INCREASE IT'S WHERE IS THAT OFFSET? BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY IMMEDIATE REDUCTION IN OVERTIME THAT, UH, THAT I WOULD SEE, UH, OFFICERS WRITING CITATIONS DO GET CALLED INTO MUNICIPAL COURT, BUT WE HAVE, I THINK REALLY DONE A GOOD JOB MUNICIPAL COURT HAS IN ENSURING THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE OFFICERS, THOSE TICKETS ARE SCHEDULED IF THERE'S A TRIAL DURING THEIR ON-DUTY TIME. 
          SO AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT'S HITTING THAT OVERTIME BUDGET, AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD WAY TO ENTER INTO OUR NINE 11 CONVERSATION UNLESS THE COUNSELOR COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON BUDGET. 
          UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, OUR NEXT, JUST SO THAT EVERYONE KNOWS OUR NEXT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING IS AUGUST 6TH. 
          WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO NINE 11 THERE AS WELL, AND WE CAN CONTINUE OUR BUDGET CONVERSATION. 
          SO THIS WON'T BE THE LAST TIME EVEN IN COMMITTEE THAT WE TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH, UM, FOR YOUR, YOUR HARD WORK. 
          I'M GONNA SEE IF I CAN UNSHARE WITH THERE TO STOP SHARING. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          UM, AND THANKS FOR YOUR HARD WORK ON THAT. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE LINE ITEM VERSION OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I'M GONNA MY QUICK, THANKS TO WILL NEXT IN FRONT OF THE BUDGET OFFICE WHO WORKED OVER THE WEEKEND AND THE SLIDES ARE PREPARED. 
          THANK YOU WILL. 
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OKAY, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA TRANSITION 
          [3. Discussion of the City’s 9-1-1 call center data.]
INTO OUR FINAL ITEM. 
          UH, WE'RE DOING GREAT BY THE WAY. 
          WE'RE RIGHT ON SCHEDULE EVEN A LITTLE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. 
          GOOD JOB EVERYBODY. 
          UH, SO I'M GONNA BRING IN, WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER OR TWO SPEAKERS, MAYBE IF THESE HERE FROM, UH, IT'S SECURE, LET'S SEE MS. SHARP, MR. ASHES. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT MAY BE, WE NEED, SO THIS IS OUR LAST ITEM FOR TODAY. 
          UH, BEFORE WE GET TO OUR FUTURE ITEMS AND CLOSE OUT, UM, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AN ANALYSIS OF NINE ONE, ONE CALLS, AND WE HAVE A SPEAKER WHO IS JOINING US. 
          UH, AND THEN I WILL LET STAFF SPEAK TO THE WORK THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO. 
          AND THEN WE WILL TAKE QUESTIONS. 
          UM, RYAN, YOU CHIEF, YOU WANT ME TO BRING IN AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          I BROUGHT IN MR. QUIT HARDO AND YOU WANT ME TO BRING IN KEN MURPHY? THERE WE GO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, BEN, WHY DON'T YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF WHILE I BRING UP YOUR PRESENTATION? HI EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. 
          MY NAME IS BEN HORWITZ. 
          I AM ONE OF THE COFOUNDERS OF AHD ANALYTIC. 
          MY PREVIOUS BACKGROUND BEFORE CREATING THE, THE FIRM WAS I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF ANALYTICS FOR THE NEW ORLEANS POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THEN HAVE A LONG HISTORY IN DATA ANALYSIS AND INFORMATION SYSTEM. 
          UM, MY COLLEAGUE AND I COMPLETED AN ANALYSIS OF CALL FOR SERVICE DATA FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND I KNOW WE'RE WANTING TO BE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. 
          SO I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION. 
          TRY TO GET GOING. 
          UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AGE ANALYTICS, UM, WHICH IS ON THE SECOND FLIGHT HERE IS THAT WE'RE AN ORGANIZATION THAT DRIVES TO PROVIDE 20% FREE ANALYTICS TO A VARIETY OF STAKEHOLDERS AND CLIENT. 
          UM, WE WORKED WITH A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENTS. 
          OH, ONE SECOND. 
          BEN, TOUGH TIME HERE. 
          I'M BEN. 
          I WONDER IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE HIS AUDIO LET'S BUT LET'S TRY IT. 
          YES. 
          IS THIS BETTER? THAT'S MUCH BETTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          I HAVE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF INTERNET, UH, EARLY ON WITH PRESENTATION, SO TO BE SAFE, I WAS TRYING TO PHONES. 
          SO NOW I'M OVER THE COMPUTER. 
          UM, SO H J ALYTICS HELPS SERVE ORGANIZATIONS WORKING IN THE PUBLIC. 
          GOOD. 
          AND WE TYPICALLY WORK WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION. 
          UM, ON THE SECOND SLIDE, IT'S JUST A FEW SMATTERING OF SOME OF THE ORIENTED, UH, DEPARTMENTS OR CITIES WE'VE WORKED WITH WITH ARLINGTON, TEXAS, AND YOU ALL STAY, UH, FERGUSON, MISSOURI, OR WHERE WE'RE FROM. 
          UH, WE WORKED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IN NEW ORLEANS, JUST A FEW BRIEF EXAMPLES OF THE TYPE OF WORK WE WORKED ALONG THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SPECTRUM, PROVIDING DATA PRODUCTS AND VISUALIZATIONS TO SUPPORT CRIMINAL JUSTICE WORK, CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM WORK, AND HAVE DONE A VARIETY OF REPORT, UH, SUCH AN ASSESSMENT ON RELEASE ON RECOGNIZANCE AND OTHER CRIMINAL JUSTICE ISSUES. 
          OUR ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, HOW DO POLICE ACTUALLY SPEND THEIR TIME RELEASED ABOUT A MONTH AGO, UH, REALLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT, UH, WHAT DUPLI SENT US TIME ON AND HOW SHOULD WE HAVE AN INFORMED DISCUSSION WHEN WE DISCUSS POLICE BUDGETING AS YOU GUYS JUST SO ELOQUENTLY, UH, SHOWED, DEMONSTRATED, MOVING TO THE FOURTH SLIDE. 
          I JUST WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY, PROVIDE A FEW OF THE, UH, FINDINGS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY LEAVE AMPLE TIME FOR DISCUSSION. 
          WE RECEIVED 18 MONTHS OF CALL FOR SERVICE DATA FOR THE AUSTIN EMILY'S DEPARTMENT. 
          WE DID RE REMOVE OUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE. 
          UM, SOME OF THEM ARE SECONDARY EMPLOYMENT. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, ASSIGNMENT RELATED CODES. 
          UM, AND FROM THERE WE GROUPED THAT CULTURE SERVICE INTO SEVEN BUCKETS, AND THIS IS ALIGNED WITH WHAT WE DID IN THE ARTICLE AND HAVE DONE FOR SOME OTHER DEPARTMENTS, UH, JUST GOING KIND OF DOWN THE LINE HERE, ALPHABETICALLY, THE FIRST BUCKET IS MEDICAL. 
          THESE TYPICALLY INVOLVE MENTAL HEALTH, SUICIDE DEATH INCIDENT. 
          ONE NOTE ABOUT THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS. 
          WE ARE JUST STRICTLY LOOKING FOR ALL OF THESE ANALYSES BASED ON THE PROBLEM CODE OR THE CALL TYPE OR CALL CLASSIFICATION DEPENDING ON YOUR WORDING. 
          AND SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT ONES THAT WERE EXPLICITLY LABELED AS MENTAL HEALTH. 
          WE DID RECEIVE A SUPPLEMENTARY DATASET, WHICH HAD THE MENTAL HEALTH LOT FLAG ADDED TO THEM. 
          CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT IN MORE DETAIL. 
          UM, WE DID NOT HAVE THE RECORDS AND INFORMATION TO CONNECT THE TWO DATASET, BUT ILLUSTRATES THAT A MULTITUDE 
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OF DIFFERENT CALL SIGNALS MAKE UP OR CALLS WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING, UH, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR EXPERIENCING MOMENTS OF CRISIS. 
          SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE DIFFERENT SIGNAL TYPES ARE RESPONSIVE. 
          OUR CALLS ARE NOT INITIATED BY THE OFFICER. 
          THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE CRIMINAL IN NATURE MAY INCLUDE EVERYTHING FROM ASSISTING OTHER AGENCY, DISTURBANCES COMPLAINTS, OR ALARMS. THEN YOU HAVE YOUR NON UCR CRIME. 
          THESE ARE, ARE CRIMES INCIDENTS THAT CRIMINAL IN NATURE, BUT THEY DON'T MATCH THE FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING FOR PART ONE CATEGORY. 
          THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM A CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATION TO KIDNAPPING AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN PROFILE ACTIVE ARE INCIDENTS INITIATED BY THE OFFICER TAKE PLACE DURING DISCRETIONARY TIME, FOLLOW UP INVESTIGATIONS, INVESTIGATING SUSPICIOUS PERSON AND ROUTINE PATROL ACTIVITIES LIKE AREA CHECK. 
          THEN YOU HAVE PROPERTY CRIME, WHICH MATCHES THE FBI DEFINITION OF AUTO THEFT, BURGLARY AND THEFT TRAFFIC, WHICH IS RESPONDING TO THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENT, ENFORCING TRAFFIC LAWS AND DIRECTING TRAFFIC, AND THEN VIOLENT CRIME, WHICH IS CRIMINAL HOMICIDE, RAPE ROBBERY, AND AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. 
          SO MOVING TO THE FINDINGS. 
          AND ONCE AGAIN, WE CAN, OF COURSE GO BACK THROUGH AND CONVINCE THAT AS YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT A PLURALITY OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE WERE IN THAT RESPONSIVE CATEGORY. 
          YOU CAN SEE THAT REALLY MAKES UP THE LARGEST AMOUNT. 
          UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WORTH NOTING IS, IS THAT VIOLENT CRIME AND PROPERTY CRIME TOGETHER REPRESENT NO MORE THAN 5% OF ALL THE CALLS FOR SERVICES THAT COME OUT FOR THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO MANY POLICE DEPARTMENTS, RIGHT? UM, AND SO THE FINDINGS KIND OF REMAIN CONSISTENT AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE CALLS FOR SERVICE BREAKDOWN FOR SOME OF THESE OTHER TYPES. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE THOUGH, HOWEVER, WILL SHOW, WELL, NOT JUST HOW THE CALLS COME OUT, BUT HOW MUCH TIME IS SPENT, RIGHT. 
          SURELY TIME SPENT ON THE SCENE OF A HOMICIDE IS DIFFERENT THAN TIME SPENT ON A SCENE FOR A FALSE ALARM. 
          SO ONLY IF YOU TAKE THE TIME SPENT, YOU GET THIS BREAKDOWN, AND WHAT YOU FIND IS THAT WHILE VIOLENT CRIME AND PROPERTY CRIME NOW INCREASED TO 10% OF ALL TIME SPENT YOU REALLY HAVE THESE REALLY LARGE BUCKETS OF RESPONSIVE, NON UCR CRIME, TRAFFIC, AND PROACTIVE THAT MAKE UP NEARLY 90%. 
          AND THEN FINALLY, WE'VE GOT THE, UH, HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT ENDS IN A REPORT WITH THE OVERALL ACTING IDEA HERE IS THAT CALLS IN THE REPORT, UM, INDICATE THAT THERE IS ADDITIONAL WORK TO BE DONE. 
          SO THE MOST OBVIOUS, UH, POINT THAT YOU WOULD THINK, RIGHT, THE MAJORITY OF VIOLENT CRIME AND PROPERTY CRIME CALLS FROM SERVICE AND IN THE REPORT AS ONE WOULD EXPECT, WHEREAS TRAFFIC CALLS DON'T END IN AN RMS OFFENSE REPORT. 
          MOST OF THE TIME THAT WE'RE GOING TO END IN A TRAFFIC CITATION, THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DISPOSITION. 
          AND OF COURSE, THINGS LIKE BURGLAR ALARMS, YOU KNOW, NEARLY ALL OF THEM ARE, ARE FALSE ALARMS. UM, SO THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE HAVE, UH, A REPORT AND THEN YOU CAN, I JUST PROVIDED A SAMPLING. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT GOES. 
          A GENERIC COMPLAINT CALL ABOUT 15% AND THEIR REPORT, A GENERIC DISTURBANCE CALLS ABOUT 30%. 
          WHEREAS A ROBBERY IS AGAIN, A VIOLENT CRIME. 
          WE'RE ABOUT TWO THIRDS. 
          AND IN A REPORT, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE LARGE FINDINGS. 
          UH, THE PAPER STUDY WAS, WAS, IS AVAILABLE ONLINE. 
          IT'S GOT DETAILED BREAKDOWN, MORE BY TYPE, BUT I'M TALKING WITH THE COUNSELOR. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LEAVE AMPLE TIME FOR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR THOSE, YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT MY PARTNER LOOKS LIKE. 
          THAT'S ON THE LAST SLIDE WHO WAS UNFORTUNATELY UNABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY WITH ALL THE VARIOUS CHILDCARE ARRANGEMENTS WE ALL HAVE TO MAKE NOW AND, UH, IN THE NEW ERA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY, ANY INITIAL QUESTIONS FOR BEN FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE LET STAFF, RIGHT. 
          STAFF, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO JUMP IN? SO I'LL MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. 
          HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DO A REAL QUICK RUN THROUGH, THROUGH THE DATA LYTICS REPORT AND JUST A COUPLE OF, OF, UH, I GUESS METHODOLOGICAL ISSUES HERE. 
          UM, JUST, JUST TO MAKE NOTE, UM, VIOLENT CRIME, UH, DOES NOT INCLUDE FROM WHAT I JUST HEARD ASSAULT AND WE CONSIDER ASSAULT VIOLENT CRIMES. 
          UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ONLY INCLUDES THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT CATEGORY. 
          SO THAT WAS ONE THING. 
          AND THEN I GUESS, UM, MR. HOROWITZ, A QUESTION FOR YOU, DID YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO WEIGHT THE DATA? IN OTHER WORDS, WE WOULD SEND MULTIPLE OFFICERS TO THOSE MORE VIOLENT CRIMES AND THOSE CRIMES THAT TEND TO TAKE LONGER TO INVESTIGATE. 
          SO ALTHOUGH THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS MAY BE DISTRIBUTED IN THE MANNER YOU JUST DESCRIBED, THE TIME OFFICER SPEND, I DON'T THINK 
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WAS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THAT THERE'S MANY, MANY MORE HOURS SPENT ON SOME OF THESE CALLS BECAUSE WE HAVE MULTIPLE OFFICERS THERE. 
          AND SO IF WE'RE TRULY TALKING ABOUT HOW OFFICERS SPEND THEIR TIME, I DON'T THINK THAT'S CAPTURED IN HERE. 
          AND, AND, AND THAT'S LET ME PAUSE THERE. 
          CAUSE THAT WAS A QUESTION AND I WAS NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          CHIEF OF, SORRY, I'M SORRY. 
          I WANNA SAY COUNCIL MEMBERS CHECK YOUR INBOXES. 
          WE'RE HAVING STEPS SEND YOU THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO SINCE I'VE TAKEN IT DOWN FROM THE SHARED SCREEN, OKAY. 
          MY APOLOGIES COME TO NUMBER. 
          UM, YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          CHIEF. 
          UH, THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS ON SCENE WOULD BE IDEAL TO KNOW THE WEIGHT OR EVEN SPECIFIC DATA FOR THE OFFICERS THAT DATA WAS UNAVAILABLE, UM, FOR USE OF THE ANALYSIS. 
          UM, AND AS YOU POINT OUT THAT WOULD MAKE FOR A MUCH MORE THOROUGH AND ROBUST, AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF ANALYSIS THAT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE DONE, UM, FOR AN INDEPTH STAFF STAFFING STUDY, WHICH, UH, CERTAINLY THIS WAS NOT INTENDED TO REPLICATE TO YOUR FURTHER POINT ABOUT FILING CRIME WHILE THAT, UM, EACH JURISDICTION MAY DEFINE THEM THAT WAY WITHIN THEIR CODE. 
          UM, THE TYPICAL APPROACH WE TRY TO USE IS TO ADHERE TO THE FBI DEFINITION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR ANALYSES ARE CONSTITUENT JURISDICTION TO JURISDICTION. 
          THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WITHIN JURISDICTION, THERE MAY BE REASONS TO LOCALIZE THE METHODOLOGY AS YOU, UH, STATE. 
          I SHOULD ALSO KNOW ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, PIECES THAT WE, WE MENTIONED NOT HAVING THE MENTAL HEALTH FLAG. 
          WE DIDN'T ALSO HAVE WHETHER OR NOT A CALL WITH SELF INITIATING OR NOT. 
          SO WE SIMPLY TO USE, UM, KIND OF ASSUMPTIONS BASED ON THE CALL TYPE WHEN WE GROUP THEM IN THE RESPONDING AND THE PROACTIVE CATEGORY, BUT CERTAINLY AN OFFICER MAY SEE SOMETHING AND SELF INITIATE OUT THAT MIGHT LAND IN ONE OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES. 
          AND THEN JUST THE OTHER THING THAT WE NOTED AS WE WERE DISCUSSING, THIS IS TRYING TO TAKE OUR CAD DATA, UH, AND CONVERT THAT OVER TO UCR DATA, YOU KNOW, IN CAD, IT MIGHT SHOW UP AS A DISTURBANCE, BUT IF THE OFFICER DIDN'T RECODE THAT CALL, YOU DON'T KNOW IF THAT DISTURBANCE WAS AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT OR JUST A REGULAR ASSAULT. 
          AND SO THEREFORE IT MIGHT FEED DIFFERENTLY INTO THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU DID. 
          SO, UM, WE JUST HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE ACCURACY OF SOME OF THOSE CONVERSIONS OF CAT DATA OVER TO WHEN YOU TRIED TO PLUG IT INTO UCR DATA. 
          CAUSE WE'RE NOW AT NEIGHBOR'S DEPARTMENT, UM, IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT SOME OF THE DATA MAY HAVE BEEN LOST IN THAT TRANSLATION AS WELL. 
          SURE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE POTENTIALS WITH NOT HAVING THE CROSSWALK BETWEEN CAD AND THE RMS. UM, AND THAT'S ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE TO DEAL WITH, TO KNOW HOW IT EVENTUALLY GETS CODED AND WHETHER OR NOT THE OFFICER RECODED, THE CAT TYPE OR JUST, UM, CAT THE CAT TYPE, THE SAME ONE WITH THE CHARGE, UM, ON THE RMS, WITHIN THE RMS SYSTEM. 
          BUT OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT EVEN ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, WHEN WE CAN, THAT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BIG PICTURE, IT MIGHT CHANGE IT FROM THE 0.6%. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, BUT IF YOU'RE, EVEN IF YOU DOUBLE THAT OR TRIPLE THAT IT'S STILL VIOLENT CRIME ITSELF IS A VERY SMALL PRETENDED. 
          IT'S A VERY SERIOUS, VERY IMPORTANT PIECE. 
          UM, BUT TOWARDS INFORMING THE CONVERSATION OF HOW THAT TIME GETS ALLOCATED, WHICH WE FIND REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT A LOT OF THE OTHER ACTIONS AREN'T NECESSARILY USES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT THOSE CERTAINLY ARE USEFUL FOR THE COUNCIL TO DISCUSS. 
          CERTAINLY THEY MIGHT. 
          MY ONLY FINAL POINT WOULD BE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VIOLENT CRIME, AGAIN, WE CONSIDER ASSAULT A VIOLENT CRIME, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER CATEGORIES WE MAY CONSIDER AN ACT OF VIOLENCE THAT DIDN'T FALL INTO YOUR ANALYSIS, UM, IN THAT SAME AREA. 
          BUT THAT'S, UM, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY MY, MY INITIAL COMMENTS. 
          UM, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, ENGAGING WITH ME, MR. HOROWITZ AND, AND, UH, UH, CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME A FEW MOMENTS TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE DATA WE HAVE INTERNALLY. 
          UM, UH, OUR WORKING WITH OUR, OUR DATA FROM 2019 AS WELL, WE'VE GOT A 517,623 CALLS THAT WE RESPONDED TO, AND WE'VE BROKEN THOSE DOWN INTO EVERY SINGLE TYPE CALL THAT WE RESPOND TO. 
          AND WE'RE DOING ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS ON THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE THIS IS AN AREA OF INTEREST FOR US ALSO. 
          UM, BUT WITH THAT, CHERYL, I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, BRIAN RAY, WHEN I SPOKE TO OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WHO I DON'T THINK IS SIGNED IN FOR THE CALL TODAY, SHE WAS SHE TO ME THAT THE NINE ONE, ONE ANALYSIS THAT YOU ALL WILL BE DOING IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT THERE'S OTHER STAFF THAT ARE GOING TO DO THAT. 
          AM I REMEMBERING THAT CONVERSATION CORRECTLY? YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          AND I THINK CARRIE O'CONNOR FROM THE INNOVATION OFFICE IS ACTUALLY THE PANEL HERE THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO TALK TO THAT. 
          CARRIE, ARE YOU THERE? EXCELLENT. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU GIVE US THE, THE 10 CENT VERSION OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE ABOUT TO START UP? I'D LOVE IT IF YOU WERE DONE WELL, I'M NOT DONE LOOKING 
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AT THE DATA SET PROVIDED BY APD. 
          UM, AS THE, THE CHIEF WAS EXPLAINING IT, I CAN'T DO A SORT OF APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON WITH AGE, UH, DATA LYTICS. 
          UM, OVERALL I THINK THEIR REPORT IS REALLY HELPFUL AT THE STATE OF STAGE OF WORK. 
          THEY DID A CONSCIENTIOUS JOB THAT THAT SHOWS THEIR EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, LOOKING AT THE, THE INITIAL COMPARISON, UM, WE CONCUR WITH THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO NEED A BETTER CATEGORIZATION OF CALLS FOR SERVICE, UM, AND THE SIXTH RECOMMENDATION TO MAKE SIGNALS CLEAR. 
          UM, AND ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, UM, TECHNOLOGY MODERNIZATION, OBVIOUSLY, UH, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT WORK EASIER ON ALL INVOLVED. 
          UM, WITHOUT THOSE STEPS, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO ACCOMPLISH SORT OF LIKE THINGS LIKE THE FOURTH RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS ON EVERYONE'S TOP OF MIND, WHICH IS IDENTIFYING NON POLICE RESPONSES TO MENTAL HEALTH CRISES. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TO NOTE THAT THE INNOVATION OFFICE, UH, WE STRUCTURE OUR RESEARCH IN TERMS OF FUTURE ORIENTED, UM, AS OPPOSED TO AN ANALYSIS OF THE CURRENT STATE. 
          SO WE WOULD VERY MUCH BE LOOKING INTO THE DATA FOR PATTERNS, UM, AND TO INVESTIGATE HOW THOSE PATTERNS MIGHT PLAY OUT THROUGH VARIOUS CHOICES AND OPTIONS, UM, THAT EVERYONE IS DISCUSSING HERE TODAY. 
          SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A KEYWORD TRAFFIC IN ALL OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE DATA, UM, YOU'VE GOT 14% OF CALLS FOR SERVICE INCLUDE THE KEYWORD TRAFFIC. 
          YOU START FROM THERE. 
          UM, YOU TEASED OUT TRAFFIC STOP. 
          THAT'S A 7.8% OF CALLS FOR 2019. 
          UM, IT'S AN OFFICER INITIATED STOP, RIGHT? AND SO THAT IS A MORE, UH, PROACTIVE RATHER THAN RESPONSIVE. 
          SO WE MIGHT LOOK THEN AT, AT PATTERNING THAT, THAT DATA TO SEE, WELL, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE? UM, IF WE LOOKED AT ATD OR SOMEONE ELSE ENGAGING IN THOSE, UH, FOR THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS, YOU WOULD WANT TO GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO CONTEXT. 
          YOU WANT TO LOOK AT, UH, WHAT BROUGHT THAT CALL FORWARD. 
          UM, WHAT DOES THE CAD DATA SAY MORE QUALITATIVELY ABOUT, UM, HOW THAT CALL WAS CODED? UM, AND SO THAT KIND OF ANALYSIS CAN TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME. 
          SO, UH, THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, SO TO LOOK AT THIS, UH, COST PER SERVICE DATA, RIGHT. 
          QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS, THAT'S MY, THE KITCHEN. 
          UM, SO JUST TO BACK UP FOR A LITTLE BIT, UH, SO THE, UM, THE PRESENTATION WE JUST SAW, WHAT WAS THE DATASET THAT WAS LOOKED AT? IS IT THE SAME DATA SET THAT CARRIE IS LOOKING AT? I UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST HAD BETWEEN THE CHIEF AND CARRIE AND, UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, LOOKING AT THOSE DATAS, UH, HOW YOU LOOK AT THOSE DATA SET AND ANALYZE IT, BUT I MISSED THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          WHAT IS THE DATA STEP THAT THE A H ANALYTICS LOOKED AT? IS IT THE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT KIDS. 
          WE LOOKED AT DATA FROM ALL OF 2019 IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2024, THE CAD DATA. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          THE DATA THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS ONLY FOR 2019. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I REMEMBER CASAR. 
          I THINK I LOST IT IN THE BACK AND FORTH, MR. HORWITZ, WHERE IS A ASSAULT, BUT NON AGGRAVATED ASSAULT CATEGORIZED IN YOUR YEAR REPORT, THEY WOULD BE IN THE NON UCR CRIME BUCKET. 
          SO THEY WOULD STILL BE IN A CRIME BUCKET, BUT NOT, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO KEEP THOSE VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIMES ALIGNED WITH UCR FOR OUR CONSISTENCY. 
          AS WE APPLY THE METHODOLOGY FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES PAPER AND THE NON UCR CRIME BUCKET, REMIND ME WHICH PERCENTAGE OF, OF POLICE TIME AND NINE 11 CALLS THAT WAS THAT REPRESENTED ABOUT 17% OF ALL THE CALLS WERE SPEED AND ABOUT 24% OF ALL OF POLICE TIME. 
          BUT AS, AS SHE NOTED, THAT'S JUST BASED ON AN ARRIVAL AND CLOSE, NOT BE ABLE TO DISCERN THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS, AS HE MENTIONED, SURELY MORE OFFICERS THAT DON'T RESPOND TO MORE SERIOUS CRIME AND THEN SAY A FALSE ALARM. 
          SO THE WAITING IS NOT APPLIED AND MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, AND SPEAKING OF THE ALARMS, I REMEMBER WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THAT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          WE KNOW WHICH PERCENT ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME, EITHER CHIEF FOR MR. HORTZ. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS IN YOUR STUDY, YOU SPEND RESPONDING TO, UM, COMMERCIAL BURGLAR ALARMS. WE WERE UNABLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. 
          UM, SO I'LL DEFER 
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AND COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA HERE TODAY. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT WE COULD SEGMENT IT OUT THAT WAY. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I REMEMBER, I THINK UNDER CHIEF ACEVEDO, WE HAD THAT PRESENTATION. 
          I RECALL THAT THERE WAS OTHER RESIDENTIAL IN A COMMERCIAL CATEGORY AND WHAT WE WERE SHOWN, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. 
          UM, UH, I REALLY LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THE CITY'S OWN NUMBERS SHOW. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT YOU BROUGHT MR. UM, MR. HORWITZ, BECAUSE I THINK THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ARE, ARE INTERESTED BOTH IN INVESTIGATING WHO COMMITS VIOLENCE, BUT ALSO IN PREVENTING IT AND IN REDUCING IT, UH, IN MY OWN DISTRICT, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE KILLED, UH, SINCE THURSDAY, MS. HENSON, WINDSOR PARK, MR. HARRIS, BEHIND JOBY MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, JUST A FEW WEEKS BEFORE THAT MR. OES NEEDLESSLY KILLED, UH, IN MY DISTRICT. 
          AND THEN TWO PEOPLE KILLED IN CAR ACCIDENTS. 
          THAT SEEMED FROM THE INFORMATION I'VE SEEN VERY, VERY AVOIDABLE. 
          UM, AND WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S DEBATING THAT WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE, UM, UH, DEATHS AND INVESTIGATES VIOLENCE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, MY DISTRICT BEING SO HEAVILY EFFECTED BY THAT REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME, NOBODY'S SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DATA, IT DOES SEEM LIKE ONLY A PRETTY SMALL PORTION OF THE POLICE BUDGET ACTUALLY GOES TO INVESTIGATING IT. 
          AND FRANKLY, VERY LITTLE TO, UH, TO THE PREVENTION EFFORTS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR YEARS. 
          SO I THINK ALLOCATING DOLLARS TO TRY TO MAKE, TO NOT JUST INVESTIGATE WHY SOMEBODY, UH, DIED IN AN ACCIDENT OR WHY SOMEONE AND WHO KILLED SOMEONE, UH, BUT ALSO ACTUALLY PREVENTING THOSE THINGS FROM EVER HAPPENING IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I HOPE SOME OF THIS REALLOCATION CONVERSATION GOES TO. 
          UM, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE FAILED IN MANY, MANY TIMES AT, AT PREVENTING SOME OF THE, OF THE NEEDLESS HARM IN THE THING. 
          AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU RAISING THE FACT THAT WE ACTUALLY DON'T DEDICATE THAT MUCH OF OUR TIME, UH, UH, TO HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AND INVESTIGATING VIOLENCE MUCH LESS PREVENTING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          I THINK THE, THE, I KNOW THE ALARM FEES WENT UP IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 
          MY, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT IT WAS A RIGHT SIZING TO THE AMOUNT OF FALSE ALARMS. AND SO THAT PORTION MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE COST RECOVERING WITH FEES, BUT WE'D WANT TO WANT TO CONFIRM THAT WITH ED ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, CUSTOMER TOGO, OH, ANYBODY WANT TO GO FIRST? CAUSE NUMBER ALTAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION FOR IT MIGHT BE LEGAL. 
          UM, I AM WONDERING FOR, UM, THE TRAFFIC, UM, ARE THERE LEGAL CONSTRAINTS WHERE IT HAS TO BE AN OFFICER WHO STOPPED SOMEONE WHO RAN A STOP SIGN, WHO, UM, DOESN'T HAVE A TAIL LIGHT OR OTHER KINDS OF THINGS, OR THAT HAS TO RESPOND AT A CRASH SCENE IN ORDER TO WRITE A CITATION FOR INSURANCE? ARE THERE LEGAL RESTRICTIONS THAT REQUIRE IT TO BE A SWORN OFFICER UNDERSERVED? SOME CIRCUMSTANCES? I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE LEGAL ON THE LINE, BUT I'LL SPEAK TO, YES, SOME OF THIS IS STATUTORILY DIRECTED, AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENT THAT POLICE OFFICERS BE DISPATCHED LIKE CRASHES THAT ARE GOING TO REQUIRE CODE TRUCKS AND THINGS OF THE LIKE, AND THEN JUST THE, UH, THE OTHER POINT WOULD BE TRAFFIC STOPS ARE SOME OF THE MOST DANGEROUS ENCOUNTERS THAT OFFICERS HAVE SHORT OF SOME OF THE DISTURBANCE CALLS THEY GO TO. 
          AND WE ONLY NEED TO GO TO THE OFFICER DOWN MEMORIAL PAGE TO SEE HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS HAVE BEEN KILLED DURING TRAFFIC STOPS THIS YEAR ALONE. 
          UM, I KNOW THERE'S A COMMUNITY IN CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY THAT HAS CHANGED THEIR APPROACH TO THAT. 
          AND THAT IS VERY CONCERNING FOR THOSE OF US IN THE POLICE PROFESSION, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE INHERENT DANGERS OF TRAFFIC STOPS. 
          I JUST PREFACE ANY CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AS A COMMUNITY ON THAT TOPIC. 
          UM, I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU HAVE ON, ON THAT. 
          I MEAN, I THINK THE AREA THAT I HEAR VERY OFTEN FROM MY CONSTITUENTS THAT THEY WANT MORE OF IS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THAT, UM, SO, SO I WOULD, I WOULD LOVE TO UNDERSTAND BETTER THE RESERVATIONS AND UNDERSTAND, UM, ANY OPPORTUNITIES YOU SEE THERE FOR US, UM, TO BE ABLE TO BE MORE RESPONSIVE, BUT, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY IF THERE ARE, I, I HAD ANY INCLINATION 
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THAT THERE WERE SOME, SOME DANGERS THERE THAT MIGHT NOT BE THERE ON THE, ON THE SURFACE, BUT WOULD LOVE TO KNOW TWO MORE OF THOSE, MORE OF THOSE DETAILS. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT OFFICERS DO WHEN THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING TO CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          AND SO REDUCTIONS IN THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WILL REDUCE THAT TIME. 
          THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ACTUALLY CONDUCT THAT TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT THAT WE KNOW THE COMMUNITY VERY MUCH WANTS. 
          THANK YOU TOO, FOR, ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT YOU FEEL LIKE THERE ARE, UM, SAFETY ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND OR HISTORY THAT IS, UM, USEFUL FOR US TO, TO KNOW? I THINK AS WE, AS WE GO INTO, AS WE GO INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS OF TRANSITIONING WORK POTENTIALLY, UM, THERE ARE SOME SIMPLE SERVICE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT GETTING WORK THAT WAS DONE BY A CERTIFIED PEACE OFFICER TO A CIVILIAN. 
          THAT, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OVER MY SKIS ON, ON, ON LEGAL ISSUES HERE, BUT THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS. 
          CITIZENS DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITIES THAT POLICE OFFICERS HAVE TO DETAIN AND TO ARREST. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, JUST THOSE INHERENT DANGERS THAT COME WITH SOME OF THE, THE THINGS POLICE OFFICERS ARE ASKED TO RESPOND TO. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN AS IT'S BEEN FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          NOT THAT WE CAN'T FIND WAYS TO HOPEFULLY DIVERT DO THINGS WITH MENTAL HEALTH CALLS WHERE WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT JUST BY THE INHERENT DANGER OR BY THE REQUIREMENT OF AUTHORITIES, THEY CANNOT BE, UM, GIVEN OFF TO ANYBODY OTHER THAN YOUR LOCAL POLICE AGENCY. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          UM, UH, MR. ARIANA, PERHAPS YOU COULD ASK LEGAL TO GIVE US A MEMO THAT OUTLINES SOME OF THOSE THINGS ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE, UM, SORRY, THERE'S NOISE HERE AT MY HOUSE. 
          UM, WHEN, WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF LEGAL MEMO THAT WOULD HELP US TO UNDERSTAND, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE A SWORN OFFICER IN WHICH CIRCUMSTANCES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SWORN OFFICER GO TO A BURGLARY ALARM, UM, FOR INSTANCE, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC STUFF, THERE'S A BUNCH OF THE IDEAS THAT ARE FLOATING AROUND. 
          THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL IF WE HAD FURTHER LEGAL, LEGAL INSIGHT AND MAYBE IN A, IN A MEMO TO COUNCIL OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, I'LL BE SURE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT POINT CUSTOMER BROWSER. 
          UM, THEN IN YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE YOU TALK ABOUT CALLS FOR SERVICE, THAT THIRD COLUMN SAYS PERCENT WITH A REPORT, AND IT SHOWS THAT IN RE IN THESE, IN YOUR ANALYSIS, WHICH I'M LOOKING FORWARD AGAIN TO SEEING CITY STAFF TAKE THAT, TAKE THE, THEIR LEVEL OF DATA AND GO DEEPER, BUT IT SHOWS THAT AT LEAST IN BENCE INVENTS STUDY, IT SHOWS ONLY 12% OF RESPONSIVE CALLS, HOW TO REPORT THAT IN YOUR ANALYSIS. 
          BEN DOES THAT MEAN FROM WHAT YOU COULD SEE FROM THE DATA ONLY 12% OF THOSE 384,000 CALLS RESULTED IN AN ACTION THAT LIKELY REQUIRED IT TO BE SWORN? SO FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE CERTAINLY THERE'S THE COMPLAINT AND DISTURBANCES CATEGORIES, AND THOSE ARE GOING TO BE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO END IN A REPORT COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHER ONES. 
          THOSE COMPLAINTS WERE ONLY 15% AND AN END IN A REPORT AND THE SERVANT IS 30%. 
          BUT CHECK, CHECK ON WELFARE IS BURGLAR. 
          ALARMS WAS REALLY THE BIGGEST ONE AND AWARE 0.5% AND THEN A REPORT. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE'S A 15 OTHER AGENCIES, WHICH IS A LITTLE, ALWAYS UNCLEAR BECAUSE THE OTHER AGENCY MIGHT BE THE ONE TAKING THE LEAD ON SOME OF THOSE. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT DISTURBANCES AND COMPLAINTS, RIGHT, THERE'S A LOT OF COMPETITION OF WHAT THOSE CALLS CAN LOOK LIKE, UM, AND HOW THEY END. 
          AND AS THE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS SHOW THAT THE, WHEN WE DID THE ANALYSIS OF THE CULTURE SERVICE WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH FLAG, THAT WE COULDN'T MATCH UP TO THE MAIN DATASET, WE WERE AT LEAST ABLE TO LOOK AT THE TYPES OF CALLS THAT THESE REPRESENTED. 
          AND WE FOUND THAT THESE REALLY CAPTURE EVERYTHING FROM COMPLAINTS AND DISTURBANCES ALL THE WAY TO, TO VIOLENT CRIME POTENTIALLY. 
          SO MENTAL HEALTH MIGHT BE PRESENT ON A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF CALLS, AND EVEN IF THEY DON'T END IN THE REPORT, THEY, THOSE COULD CERTAINLY ALTERNATIVE METHODS OF HANDLING THOSE TYPES OF CALLS. 
          AND I BRING IT UP REALLY JUST TO SAY, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF NUANCE AND DETAIL, AND IT'S ALWAYS HARD WHEN IT ROLLS UP TO, YOU KNOW, EIGHT ROWS IN A TABLE, UM, TO, TO REALLY DIVINE THAT LEVEL OF COMPLEXITY. 
          UM, I REMEMBER SEEING THE STORY ABOUT BERKELEY AND I, MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT LIKE MANY OF THE STORIES WE'RE SEEING OUT OF OTHER CITIES THEY'RE BEING REPORTED AS HAVING BEEN DONE WHEN THEY JUST PASSED A RESOLUTION. 
          AND WE ALL KNOW THAT PASSING THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T ACTUALLY DO IT, BUT DOING COMES LATER. 
          SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REPORTING THAT SAYS CITY X SUDDENLY MADE A DRAMATIC CHANGE TO THEIR POLICING IN THIS CERTAIN WAY, WHEN REALLY THEY, THEIR COUNSELS SIGNALED SOME INTENT TO DO IT BECAUSE 
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THEY HAVEN'T WORKED OUT THE DETAILS ON THE CHALLENGES YET. 
          SO I'M, I'M GLAD THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT CONTINUING TO REPEAT THAT WE DID OUR BIG RESOLUTIONS AND NOW WE'RE DOING THE WORK THAT'S, I'M GLAD TO SEE US CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          UM, AND, AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS SAYING THAT WE WOULD TAKE ANY ACTION THAT WOULD REDUCE SAFETY. 
          IN FACT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS IMPROVE SAFETY. 
          AND AS WE GET INTO THE DETAILS, WE'LL FIND OUT WHERE THAT'S HARDER OR EASIER BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LEARNING. 
          CAUSE REMEMBER, TOBO, LET'S SEE IF YOUR TECH SOUND GOOD. 
          GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ON SLIDE FIVE. 
          I WANT TO BE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN CHIEF FAMILY AND THE CONSULTANT. 
          UM, SO AS I UNDERSTAND, SLIDE FIVE, WHICH TALKS ABOUT HOW CALLS OF SERVICE TIME WAS USED, THE VIOLENT CRIME FIGURE HERE, THE 3% DOES NOT INCLUDE VIOLENT CRIMES THAT WOULD FALL WITHIN THE NON UCR CRIME CATEGORY. 
          AND THOSE COULD RANGE FROM ASSAULT. 
          AS CHIEF MANLEY MENTIONED, I ALSO SAW AN INDICATION EARLIER THAT, THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND RELATED TO KIDNAPPING. 
          UM, SO I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS FOR NON UCR CRIME, THERE'S A DESCRIPTION, A DEFINITION THAT TALKS ABOUT INCIDENTS THAT ARE CRIMINAL IN NATURE, BUT DO NOT FIT IN FBI'S UNIFORM CRIME REPORT. 
          ONE CATEGORIES RANGE FROM CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS TO KIDNAPPING AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. 
          IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHETHER THE CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS TO KIDNAPPING AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN ARE ROOTED WITHIN PART ONE, OR ARE EXCLUDED ON PART ONE. 
          I ASSUME IT'S THE LATTER, BUT WANTED TO THERE, CORRECT. 
          THEY'RE EXCLUDED FROM THE VIOLENT OR PROPERTY CRIME DEFINITIONS AS SET FORTH BY THE FBI. 
          AND AGAIN, THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT IS FOR COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN GEOGRAPHIES TO HAVE A CONSISTENT DEFINITIONS, RIGHT? LOCAL CONDITIONS CERTAINLY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, BUT AS WE LOOK AT SLIDE FIVE, WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF, OF THE CALLS OF SERVICE CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT THE VIOLENT CRIME CATEGORY HERE THAT'S 3% DOES NOT INCLUDE ASSAULT. 
          WE KNOW IT MAY NOT INCLUDE KIDNAPPING. 
          IT MAY NOT INCLUDE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT OUR JURISDICTION AND PROBABLY A LOT OF OUR WOULD REGARD OUR SILENT FUND, RIGHT? WHAT IT'S USING IS THE STANDARD FBI DEFINITION FOR VIOLENT CRIME, THAT, UM, THOSE ARE PROS AND CONS OF THE STANDARDIZED DEFINITION ALLOWS FOR COMPARISON ACROSS COMMUNITIES. 
          UM, THE DOWNSIDE IS IT'S BEEN A VERY STANDARDIZED APPROACH THAT HAS BEEN USED FOR DECADES, UM, WHICH AGAIN HELPS YOU UNDERSTAND LONGEVITY OF CRIME STATISTICS, BUT IT DOESN'T GET INTO THAT HYPER NUANCE AS WE UNDERSTAND THINGS. 
          I MEAN, EVEN THINGS LIKE THEFT BY FRAUD, ISN'T CONSIDERED TO BE A PROPERTY CRIME ASSESS BECAUSE IT WASN'T REALLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE THINK ABOUT IDENTITY THEFT AND THINGS OF THOSE NATURES, WEREN'T REALLY QUITE AT THE SCALE THAT THEY ARE TODAY. 
          SO, UM, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT DOES BE CONSIDERED, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE NON-PRIME, UH, NON UCR CRIME CATEGORY AS WELL. 
          I SEE THAT. 
          I, I THINK THAT, UM, MANY PEOPLE LOOKING AT THIS WON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S CONTAINED WITHIN 900 CR CRIME. 
          I DON'T MYSELF. 
          SO I WOULD ASK THAT, UM, AND PERHAPS THIS CAN BE WELL HANDLED THROUGH A BUDGET QA. 
          IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO SEE WHAT, WHAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE FBI'S DEFINITION DESCRIPTIONS OF THE UCR CRIME. 
          ESPECIALLY AS, YOU KNOW, AS WE ENGAGE WITH CONSTITUENTS AROUND THIS INFORMATION, IT WOULD BE USEFUL TO KNOW WHAT IS IN THAT NON UCR CRIME CATEGORY, UM, AND, AND WHERE IT FITS WITH GRIN WITHIN SOME OF THOSE OTHER CATEGORIES, PRIME PROPERTY, CRIME PRODUCT LINE, ET CETERA. 
          UH, AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT I, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT BURGLAR ALARMS, AND I DO THINK WE GOT THAT DATA AS PART OF A Q AND A IN PREVIOUS YEARS, BUDGET QUESTION AND ANSWER. 
          AND SO THAT KIND OF LEADS ME TO THE POINT I WAS HOPING TO MAKE DURING, DURING THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS MORE FOCUSED ON BUDGET SESSION. 
          BUT AT THAT POINT I WAS JUST LISTENING AS A PARTICIPANT AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK. 
          SO I KNOW THAT MY OFFICE SUBMITTED SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON FRIDAY REGARDING APD APDS BUDGET, INCLUDING THE ONE THAT ED REFERENCED ABOUT ASKING FOR THE SPREADSHEET INFORMATION FOR FISCAL YEAR, THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED FOR FISCAL YEAR 21. 
          WE ALSO RECEIVED IT FOR FISCAL YEAR 20 AND ASK THAT THAT'D BE ADDED TO THE BUDGET UNA. 
          AND TO THE EXTENT THAT OUR INDIVIDUAL OFFICES ARE ASKING FOR INFORMATION RELATED TO APD BUDGET OR PERCENT OF THE BUDGET THAT RELATES TO SALARIES AND OTHER THINGS ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE TODAY, IF WE COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE BUDGET, QA, THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL THAT WAY ALL OF OUR OFFICES, AREN'T ASKING FOR THIS INFORMATION INDEPENDENTLY, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE IT FOR, FOR FUTURE YEARS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF A CHEAP POINT JUST TO REQUEST THAT WE ALSO NEED OUR QUESTIONS THAT WAY SO THAT WE CAN ALL SEE THE INFORMATION AND SEE THE INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN JUST A SUGGESTION. 
          I THINK I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THIS, BUT I DO THINK 
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WE HAVE THAT BURGLAR ALARM INFORMATION AND DATA POSSIBLY IN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS YEAR CUBICLES. 
          SO THANKS VERY USEFUL CONVERSATION. 
          I DID MISS THE TIMELINE OF WHEN OUR CITY OF THE 2019 DATA WITH YOU, RAY OR CARRIE, I DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE A DATE FOR YOU, UH, JUST YET. 
          UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON STRUCTURING, UH, ALL OF THE WORK THAT IS TO ASK WHICH QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING OF THE DATA. 
          UM, SO AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT SCOPE, I'LL, I'LL LET YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN WORK ON IT PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I WILL SAY AT LEAST FOR STAFF'S PART THERE, THEY WERE WILLING TO LET US SAY IT WAS GOING TO BE DONE BY THE SIXTH, SINCE THAT'S THE NEXT PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND WE ARE SCHEDULED TO GO OVER THEIR WORK. 
          SO CARRIE, IF THAT'S CHANGING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW SOONER THAN LATER, I WILL DO MY BEST. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST AS A TIME CHECK COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST 15 MINUTES CAST MEMBER ALTAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A COUPLE SORT OF THOUGHTS THAT ARE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT SCATTERED. 
          I APOLOGIZE. 
          UM, ONE, UM, I APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS DATA AND UNDERSTANDING IT, BUT I ALSO WANT TO UNDERSCORE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SAW WITH SEXUAL ASSAULT WAS THAT ONLY 10% OF WOMEN WERE REPORTING, UM, AND ARE VARIOUS REASONS WHY THEY'RE NOT REPORTING, UM, SOME OF WHICH MAY HAVE TO DO WITH OUR ABILITY TO RESPOND APPROPRIATELY. 
          UM, AND WE MAY, IT MAY BE THAT TO PROMOTE SAFETY. 
          WE HAVE TO MAKE ADDITIONAL, UM, INVESTMENTS. 
          UM, TELL US ABOUT THE FUN AGAIN, ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, YOU KNOW, WITH INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER KINDS OF THINGS. 
          I WANTED TO FLAG THAT, UM, I ALSO ON A BROADER LEVEL, WANT TO FLAG THAT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, UM, MOVING VICTIM SERVICES OUT OF APD. 
          UM, WE REALLY HAVE TO ASK IF ANY SORT OF MOVES REALLY BENEFIT THE SURVIVORS. 
          UM, AND WHILE I'M OPEN TO A CONVERSATION OF THAT, I'VE NOT YET HEARD A GOOD RATIONALE, UM, FOR THAT. 
          AND WE'LL BE, UM, ANY CONVERSATIONS TO THAT EFFECT. 
          I'M GOING TO BE REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND OF BENEFITS THEY DELIVER, UM, TO, TO, TO THE SURVIVORS. 
          UM, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO DO WAS ASK, UM, CHIEF MANLEY, IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO, UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THE NUANCES THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT, UM, PARK PATROL IS SOMETHING THAT CAN MOVE. 
          CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS MOVED TO PD, NOT THAT LONG AGO. 
          UM, AND THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A RATIONALE AT THAT POINT, UM, WHICH I'M NOT FULLY FAMILIAR WITH. 
          UM, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS SORT OF BOOMERANGING BACK AND FORTH AND STUFF, I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE THE LESSONS LEARNED. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN SHARE NOW. 
          UM, OR IF, IF RAY, IF YOU HAVE ALSO ANY, UM, DOCUMENTATION YOU CAN SHARE ABOUT WHEN THOSE CHOICES WERE MADE TO MOVE PARK PATROL INTO APD OR, OR TO MOVE THE AIRPORT PATROL, UM, INTO APD, BECAUSE PRESUMABLY THEY WERE AS RATIONALES AT THAT POINT IN TIME. 
          UM, SO MAYBE IF THERE'S BROADER INFORMATION, YOU CAN GET THAT TO US, RAY, AND THEN CHIEF MAN, IF YOU WANTED US TO SPEAK ANY THOUGHTS YOU HAD ON THAT, UM, OR CHIEF GAY, CERTAINLY. 
          SO AS A COMMUNITY, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH A, WHAT WAS CALLED CONSOLIDATION AT THE TIME WE USED TO HAVE THE PSM DEPARTMENT HERE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT, AND IT WAS THE THREE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AT THAT TIME, AIRPORT POLICE WAS A SEPARATE ENTITY STANDALONE WITH ITS OWN STRUCTURE AS WAS THE CITY MARSHALS AND THE, UM, PARK PLACE, AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, AND IN AN EFFORT TO PROFESSIONALIZE HOW EVERYTHING WAS BEING DONE AND TO UNIFY, UH, OUR APPROACH TO PUBLIC SAFETY HERE IN AUSTIN, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO BRING EVERYBODY INTO APD SO THAT WE HAVE ONE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, ONE POLICY MANUAL, ONE CRITERIA FOR TRAINING, ALL OF THE REASONS THAT YOU WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO CONSOLIDATE THOSE TYPES OF OPERATIONS. 
          I THINK THERE'S ECONOMIES OF SCALE THERE, AS WELL AS YOU DON'T NEED FULL ADMINISTRATIONS FOR EACH OF THESE OTHER STANDALONE ENTITIES, AS WE DID BACK THEN, UH, WHEN THEY WERE THEIR OWN ENTITIES. 
          AND SO THERE WAS A LOT THAT WENT INTO BRINGING EVERYONE TOGETHER TO ENSURE THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS WERE UNIFORM HERE IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD DO TO STEP AWAY FROM THAT WOULD BE GOING BACK TO THE WAY IT USED TO BE STRUCTURED AND AS COMMISSIONED POLICE OFFICERS, AGAIN, THEY CAN ONLY REPORT TO COMMISSIONED POLICE OFFICERS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, MOVING THE BUDGET IS ONE THING, BUT 
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TRYING TO MOVE THE DUTIES AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES IS ANOTHER. 
          SO HAVING PARK WITHIN APB ALLOWS US TO FOLD THEM INTO EVERYTHING WE DO. 
          MANY OF OUR SPECIAL EVENTS OCCUR IN SOME OF THE LARGER PARKS HERE IN AUSTIN. 
          AND SO WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF FOLD THEM INTO OUR LARGE OPERATIONAL PLANS, MUCH EASIER BECAUSE THEY'RE A COMPONENT OF APD. 
          UM, AND SO WE WILL LOOK BACK AND GET THE DOCUMENTS OR THE INFORMATION FROM BACK WHEN THESE DECISIONS WERE MADE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST MY INITIAL, UH, COMMENTS TO THE QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO HEAR ME, CAUSE I'VE LOST YOU THERE FOR A SECOND. 
          I'VE GOT AN UNSTABLE CONNECTION TODAY. 
          UM, THANK YOU, UM, CHIEF FOR THAT, UM, UH, ACM ARIANA, IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET SOME HISTORY ON THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY, UM, IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WENT INTO THAT AND WHAT THE RATIONALE WERE AND WHERE THEIR SAVINGS WERE. 
          UM, I'M UNDERSTANDING IS IT ENDED UP COSTING A LOT MORE, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU UNPACK THAT AND WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE OF THAT YOU LAND OFF ON IT. 
          I AM, I'M INTERESTED IN ANALYSIS TOO. 
          UM, IT SOUNDED LIKE WHAT WAS EXPLAINED TO USE TO OCCUR WERE DIFFERENT CHAINS OF COMMAND OF SWORN OFFICERS, WHICH MAKES IT SOUND LIKE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THAT AGAIN. 
          AM I MISINTERPRETING THAT CHIEF MAN? SO THERE WAS A, UH, AN ESSENCE LIKE ANOTHER POLICE CHIEF, BASICALLY WHO, UM, WHO OPERATED THE PSEN. 
          UH, HE WAS ACTUALLY A FORMER APD DEPUTY CHIEF WHO THEN, UM, BECAME THE CHIEF OVER THOSE OPERATIONS. 
          SO AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REPORT TO A COMMISSION, A COMMISSION PER SHARE, THERE WAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CERTIFICATION THAT THEY HAD PART OF THE REASON OF COST STRUCTURE WAS WHAT IT WAS, WAS BECAUSE THERE WERE VERY DIFFERENT PAY SCALES AT THE TIME, TOO. 
          SO WHEN EVERYBODY JOINED INTO APD, THE PAY SCALES HAD TO ADJUST AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN THEORY, WE DON'T, YOU CAN HAVE, AS LONG AS THE SWORN PERSON IS THE DEPARTMENT HEAD, WHICH I THINK IS THE PHRASE, WHAT STATE LAW SAYS IS DEPARTMENT ED. 
          YES, YOU CAN HAVE MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. 
          CORRECT. 
          I FIND THAT VERY FASCINATING. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL MEMBER CASSARA. 
          I WANTED TO SPEAK TO ONE OF COUNCIL MEMBER, ULTRA SPORTS, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT, UM, AS YOU RAISED, UH, ESPECIALLY IN SEXUAL ASSAULT CASES, VERY FEW PEOPLE, UH, REPORT THEIR CASE. 
          UH, SOME NATIONAL STUDIES THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, SHOW THAT A MAJORITY OF SURVIVORS OF SERIOUS VIOLENCE, UH, CHOOSE NOT TO REPORT, UH, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM, A MAJORITY OF THEM. 
          UM, AND THAT OFTENTIMES THAT, UM, THAT MANY OF THOSE STUDIES FIND THAT WHEN THOSE FOLKS ARE INTERVIEWED, UH, EITHER ONE, THEY DON'T THINK THAT ANYTHING IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE DONE TO ADDRESS THEIR SAFETY OR TO, IT IS OFTENTIMES BASED ON PEOPLE'S, UM, UH, PERCEPTION OF THE POLICE. 
          AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD BE REALLY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT VICTIM SERVICES AND OTHER SERVICES THAT, UM, UH, THAT ARE FOR OUR SURVIVORS. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT BASED BOTH ON WHAT I'VE HEARD HERE LOCALLY AND ON NATIONAL DATA, WE ARE FAR BEHIND ME. 
          I THINK OUR WHOLE COUNTRY IS FAR BEHIND ON PEOPLE ACTUALLY REPORTING. 
          AND SO, UM, IF SOMETHING ISN'T WORKING AS WELL AS WE WANT IT TO, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT REALLY CLOSELY. 
          AND, AND WHETHER THAT MEANS IT LIVES WITH AN APD, WHETHER AT SOME POINT IN OUT WHETHER WE SHOULD HAVE THE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE, I THINK WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE CLEARLY NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE FEEL COMFORTABLE REPORTING WHAT HAS HAPPENED FIVE MINUTES, THEY'RE PRETEND. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE, THE NUMBERS THAT THE, UM, THE DATA ANALYTICS GUY GAVE AND, AND CHIEF YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UM, IT'S NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON. 
          SO I WAS WONDERING IF, CAN YOU PROVIDE US SOME STATISTICS ON THE NUMBER OF, YOU MENTIONED THAT ASSAULT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE ASSAULT CATEGORY THAT THEY HAD, CAN YOU PROVIDE, AS, AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS, I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR US TO, ACCORDING TO YOUR NUMBERS AND HOW THEY'RE CATEGORIZED BY APD, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE THOSE VIOLENT CRIMES 
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AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THOSE, THOSE DIFFERENT KIND OF CRIMES ARE DEFINED. 
          AND THEN ALSO WHEN, UM, SO I GUESS, CAN YOU, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT? SO TO THAT QUESTION, I THINK SOME OF THAT'S GOING TO FALL INTO THE WORK THAT CARRIE O'CONNOR AND HER TEAM ARE DOING, AND THEN WHERE TO WHERE THAT WORK DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. 
          WE CAN, AGAIN, JUST FROM THE COUNT ON THE NUMBER OF OFFENSES, WE COULD VERY EASILY REPLICATE WHAT DATA ANALYTICS DID AND INCLUDE THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE ARE VIOLENT CRIMES HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THE PART THAT'S HARDER TO CAPTURE, AND THAT REQUIRES A MUCH MORE IN DEPTH ANALYSIS WOULD BE THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO SAY HOW MUCH TIME DO OFFICERS SPEND AS A PERCENTAGE OF ALL TIME AVAILABLE ON CERTAIN TYPES OF CRIME, YOU REALLY HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE SENT FOUR OFFICERS TO THIS CALL. 
          ONE LEFT AFTER 45 MINUTES, THE NEXT ONE LEFT AFTER AN HOUR AND 15 MINUTES, AND THE OTHER TWO STAYED FOR THREE HOURS AND FINISHED. 
          AND SO THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS IS VERY, VERY DETAILED, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN TRULY SAY WE'RE POLICE OFFICERS SPENDING THEIR TIME AND HOW MUCH TIME THEY ACTUALLY ARE SPENDING ON VIOLENT CRIME VERSUS OTHERS AS A PERCENTAGE OF THEIR TOTAL TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, IF WE COULD HAVE A GENERAL IDEA THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND THEN WHY, WHY CERTAIN THINGS ARE CATEGORIZED. 
          UM, AND THEN DON'T WHEN ISN'T THAT PART OF THE TRIAGE PROCESS AND DISPATCH, LIKE THEY'LL ASK, DOES THE PERSON HAVE A WEAPON? UM, DO YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AFRAID, ARE YOU AFRAID FOR YOUR SAFETY? IS AREN'T THOSE QUESTIONS LIKE, DO YOU, ARE YOU IN A SAFE PLACE? LIKE, ARE THOSE QUESTIONS THAT GET ASKED THROUGH DISPATCH? YES. 
          THEY'VE GOT A VERY SPECIFIC SCRIPT AND PROTOCOL FOR APPROACHING THESE. 
          AND THEN WHAT THEY DO IS THEY CODE IT. 
          THE CODINGS ARE MORE GENERAL SO THAT THEY CAN AT LEAST GET INITIALLY CODED AND THEN SENT TO THE OFFICER AND GET THE OFFICER DISPATCHED. 
          AND THEN AS THEY'RE ASKING ALL OF THOSE FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS AND GETTING ALL OF THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THEY'RE PROVIDING UPDATES TO THE RESPONDING OFFICER. 
          SO IT'S LIKELY NOT GOING TO CHANGE HOW IT WAS INITIALLY CATEGORIZED, BUT THEY WANT TO GET AN INITIALLY CATEGORIZED AS IT IS A DISTURBANCE. 
          LET'S GET OFFICERS IN ROUTE. 
          AND THEN AS THEY ASK FOLLOWUP QUESTIONS, THERE'LL BE PASSING THAT INFORMATION ALONG TO THE RESPONDING OFFICER. 
          DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED? ARE THERE WEAPONS INVOLVED? ARE THERE PEOPLE INJURED, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW, WHAT IS INITIALLY CODED AS A DISTURBANCE ON THE CAT AND THE CAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT IN OUR RMS SYSTEM. 
          IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE AN AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. 
          AND SO THE TWO SYSTEMS ARE NOT COMPARABLE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, UH, TRAFFIC STOPS, WHEN YOU SAY THAT THOSE ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS, ARE THOSE, UM, ARE THOSE, IT'D BE NICE IF WE COULD HAVE WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. 
          CAUSE WE'RE ALL LEARNING HERE. 
          IF THERE'S A WAY TO PROVIDE CONTEXT, WHERE IS THAT ALL TRAFFIC STOPS AND ANY TRAFFIC STOP THERE, THE MOST DANGEROUS CALL POLICE OFFICERS MAKE? ARE THEY MORE LIKE DWI TRAFFIC STOPS OR, YOU KNOW, A PERSON FLEEING TRAFFIC STOP? LIKE, IS IT A, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A CONTEXT OF, UM, OF WHAT EXACTLY KIND OF TRAFFIC STOP OR WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          AND THEN JUST LASTLY, UM, AS WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY CANDID CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW WE RETHINK OUR RESPONSE, UM, I GUESS I JUST ASK YOU TO, TO, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STOPS AND YOU SAID, WELL, IF WE STOPPED THIS, THEN WE CAN'T DO THIS. 
          LIKE IF WE TELL THESE PEOPLE TO STOP DOING, IF WE HAVE ANOTHER FORCE, SO TO SPEAK THAT DOES TRAFFIC STOPS, THEN WE CAN HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. 
          AND I GUESS I HOPE WE CAN, LIKE, LIKE THOSE TWO DON'T HAVE TO GO TOGETHER. 
          LIKE WE CAN, WE CAN SOLVE FOR BOTH IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET THERE AS, YES, WE STILL WANT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE, THOSE WHO STILL ARE INTERESTED IN SPEED MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE NEED THAT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUENTS DO ASK FOR A LOT, ESPECIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T RETHINK HOW WE DO THAT AS WELL. 
          SO JUST ASKED YOU TO, TO HELP US GET TO A PLACE THAT I KNOW, I KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING, BUT, UM, BUT, BUT WE NEED TO TRY TO THINK ABOUT, UM, SOMETHING AND THAT'S THE THAT'S I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY IS WE DON'T KNOW WHEN, BUT THESE ARE GOOD CONVERSATIONS FOR US TO, TO BRAINSTORM BASIS. 
          AND IF I MAY PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE COMMENTS THAT I MAKE AS RESISTANCE. 
          I JUST WANT THE SAME THING TO MAKE WELL EDUCATED AND INFORMED DECISIONS AND ARE YOU SEE IT AS MY ROLE AND, AND, AND, AND, AND ALL OF MY PEERS THAT ARE ON THIS CALL AS WELL, JUST TO THROW ALL OF THAT INFORMATION OUT THERE. 
          AND SO, YES, TRAFFIC STOPS. 
          I SAID, THEY'RE ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS AND VERY YEAR BY YEAR. 
          AND WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY STUDIES, AS FAR AS WHETHER ONE TYPE OF STOP IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN, THAN ANOTHER. 
          UM, BUT WE'VE UNFORTUNATELY SEEN THOSE HORRIFIC OUTCOMES ACROSS THE BOARD, WHETHER IT'S A SUBJECT FLEEING OR WHETHER IT WAS WHAT WAS AN INNOCUOUS TRAFFIC STOP FOR A MINOR VIOLATION. 
          BUT, UH, 
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I AM, UH, I AM NOT TRYING TO THROW UP ROADBLOCKS. 
          I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE AS INFORMED AS POSSIBLE WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AS, AS, AS WITH OUR PUBLIC SAFETY BACKGROUNDS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE ABOUT THE, UH, PARK POLICE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE COME FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF HISTORY OF WHY WE DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          SO WE ARE AT FIVE O'CLOCK. 
          WE CAN STICK AROUND AND TAKE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS, BUT IF ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO LEAVE OR MR. HORWITZ, SO GAVIN SUBMITTED AT PROBLEMS. IF YOU NEED TO LEAVE, THAT'S GOOD TOO, BUT LET'S TAKE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. 
          COUNCILMEMBER HARPER, MADISON, THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO'S PRESENTED TODAY. 
          AND WHO'S BEEN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. 
          IT'S VERY, UM, IT'S VERY HELPFUL. 
          SO I JUST WONDER IF SOMETHING WE CAN ADD TO THE PURVIEW OF THE CITIZEN BODY, THAT'S DOING SOME OF THE AUDIT WORK AND DOING SOME OF THE ASSESSMENT AROUND CADET CLASSES, AS CHIEF WAS SPEAKING TO THE EFFICACY OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, ONE VEHICLE BE THE PASTORING FOR ALL POINTS OF CONSIDERATION. 
          AND AS WE'RE THINKING ABOUT MOVING CERTAIN, UM, DEPARTMENTS AROUND, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE, I WANNA OFFER THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FOLKS WHO ARE DOING THESE ASSESSMENTS AND CONDUCTING THE AUDITS TO, TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT, UM, UH, THAT PERSPECTIVE OF EFFICACY IS AS VALUABLE AS HAVING MULTIPLE POINTS OF ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          I CAN'T HELP, BUT WONDER IF WHAT WE'RE SAYING AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE SO MANY POINTS OF CONSIDERATION WITH THE DEPARTMENT AT VARYING LEVELS, UM, AND THINGS THAT NEED TO CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY, MANY OF US ARE DEMANDING. 
          I DON'T SEE HOW THAT SAME DEPARTMENT CAN BE THE TOOL BY WHICH ALL THE THINGS CONTINUE TO FLOW THROUGH. 
          SO I JUST, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR US TO CONTINUE ON THE PATH. 
          SO COUNCIL MEMBER PLANNING, AND, AND CHAIR, UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR LINE OF QUESTIONING. 
          AND I'D LIKE FOR THERE TO BE SOME CONVERSATION WHERE WE ELABORATE ON THAT, UM, THE BENEFIT, THE POTENTIAL BENEFIT OF HAVING MULTIPLE POINTS OF, UH, ACCOUNTABILITY. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK CHIEF, WHAT YOU LAID OUT AS KIND OF, AND, AND RAY, TO THE EXTENT YOU PULL THE STUFF THAT CAME FROM THE PAST, I THINK THERE'S, THERE MIGHT EVEN BE SOME STUFF WE CAN LOOK TO AND COMPARE TO THAT, UM, COULD BE VERY INTERESTING AND HOW WE, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES EVEN MORE SAFETY TARGETED TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A CITY THAT IS MUCH BIGGER NOW THAN IT WAS THEN. 
          AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO THINGS WITH DIFFERENT SERVICES IN A WAY NOW, BECAUSE THE SCALE AND THE CALL VOLUME IS SUCH THAT YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT IN A WAY MAYBE YOU COULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH BEFORE WHEN REASONABLE, WHEN REASONABLE, YOU HAD TO EXPECT OFFICERS TO SERVE FIVE OR SIX FUNCTIONS, CUSTOMER KITCHEN. 
          I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THIS, BUT I HOPE WE ALSO CONSIDER TECH TECHNOLOGY. 
          UH, FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS, THERE MAY BE, UM, THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO USE TECHNOLOGY IN A WAY THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO USE, UH, IN THE PAST, AT LEAST WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC ISSUES. 
          UM, AND SO I HOPE THAT WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS PART OF THIS ALSO. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE WE'RE PAST, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL PRESSING QUESTIONS FOR TODAY, COUNCIL MEMBER CASAR, JUST BECAUSE I ASSUME THAT THE PRESS MIGHT BE REPORTING IT. 
          IF YOU GO TO THE APPENDIX OF MR. HORWITZ REPORT IS I ASSUME THAT WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BOUGHT THIS APPLE IS INTERNET WAS HERE. 
          WE CAN ACTUALLY PULL OUT TO THE, UH, THE ASSAULTS CATEGORY, UH, THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE MEETING. 
          UH, I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S 4.7% OF TIME. 
          IS THAT A STANDARD ASSAULT UP THERE HE IS. 
          UH, SO MAYBE I'M SPEAKING OUT OF TURN AND TELL ME IF I'M WRONG HERE. 
          UM, UH, SO THAT WOULD ADD UP IN HIS REPORT TO SEND IT ABOUT 7.5% OF ADD TIME, WHICH IS STILL PRETTY SURPRISING TO ME, SMALLER PERCENTAGE OF TIME THAN I WOULD HAVE GUESSED, EVEN IF IT WERE WEIGHTED, LET'S SAY IT WAS DOUBLE WEIGHTED. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT MIGHT BE 15%, UH, TRIPLE WEIGHTED AT 22%. 
          SO IT'S STILL A SMALLER CHUNK OF THE TIME THEN OTHER ACCIDENTS IS THAT GENERALLY RIGHT? MR. RHODES? YEAH, I WOULD CONCUR WITH THAT. 
          UM, FOR THAT I WAS INTERESTED, THE FULL REPORTS GOT A DETAIL OF THOSE SUBCATEGORIES WITH ALL OF THAT DATA AND A FULLER BREAKDOWN AND METHODOLOGY THAT WE JUST TRIED TO PROVIDE IN BRIEF. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY IT, THE GENERAL TREND SHOULD RELATIVELY HOLD. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I JUST ASK WHERE THE REPORT IS? THE FULL REPORT? 
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I KNOW THAT WE WERE SENT OUT THE POWERPOINT IS THE FULL REPORT LINK TO THE COMMITTEE. 
          WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE FULL REPORT GETS SENT OUT. 
          I THINK IT WAS SENT TO US BY THE AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION. 
          SO IT MIGHT SHOW UP IN YOUR EXTERNAL EMAIL FOLDERS, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT GETS SENT AS WELL. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY FINAL COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT, THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          THIS WAS, I THINK ANOTHER GREAT COMMITTEE MEETING, MR. HARWOOD'S. 
          THANK YOU FOR SPENDING SOME VIRTUAL TIME WITH US TODAY. 
          UM, AND THANKS TO ALL OF THE STAFF WHO CAME IN AND OUT OF THIS MEETING THROUGHOUT THE DAY, A LOT OF GREAT WORK, HOPEFULLY FOR US ON THE COUNCIL. 
          HOPEFULLY THIS HELPED REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF THIS. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO REPEAT, UH, DURING OUR BUDGET WORK SESSIONS, AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE REST OF THE WEEK. 
          CHIEF, DID YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING? OH, NO. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA TELL EVERYBODY GOODBYE. 
          THAT'S WHY I TOOK MY MIC OFF. 
          I'M WATCHING, I'M WATCHING THE WHOLE TIME. 
          YOU'RE GOOD. 
          THANKS EVERYBODY. 
          IT IS 5:06 PM. 
          AND WITH THAT, WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, DR. 
          , SHE LOVED AND LOVED BEYOND HIM WAITING FOR YOU TO GET CLEAN, TO FIND YOUR SET THINGS, RIGHT. 
          SO Y'ALL COULD START BETTER LIFE.
* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.