[Reading of the Agenda: Call to Order]
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I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE STAFF.
UM, THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE ON THE PHONE.
HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR, BETH VALANCE.
WELLA WE HAVE A QUORUM, SO ONE AND WE ARE MEETING REMOTELY TONIGHT TO REVIEW A NUMBER OF CASES BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
EMILY REID HAS FALLEN SWALLOW, PRESENT WIT OTHER SIN HERE.
MATTHEW JACOB HERE, KEVIN COOK.
I SAW KEVIN, UM, HOLLY LITTLE PREY MCWHORTER HERE.
ALEX, CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH, I THINK A COMMISSIONER PAPA FACILITY MAY BE HAVING TROUBLE WITH HIS AUDIO.
UH, BLAKE TOGGLE AT YOUR, OKAY.
WE WILL GET STARTED BY REVIEWING OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
I WILL START WITH THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON COMMISSIONERS.
AS I GO THROUGH THE LIST, UM, MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE ON THE LINE AS WELL.
IF YOU HEAR A CASE, UM, DURING THIS PORTION OF, UH, REVIEWING THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, NOT ONE THAT YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF, BUT ONE THAT YOU WANT FULL FOR DISCUSSION.
IF YOU COULD PLEASE ALSO LET ME KNOW OUR FIRST, UH, CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
HEY, THIS STEVE HAS, Y'ALL HAVE SEEN I'M SURE THAT WE'VE BEEN MADE AWARE ALSO THAT, UM, SEVERAL RESIDENTS OF THE TYNDALL APARTMENT OR CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE LOPEZ HOUSE ARE SAYING THAT THEY DID NOT GET NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S GOING ON THIS EVENING.
UM, WE CHECKED WITH OUR NOTIFICATION OFFICE NOTICES WENT OUT ON JULY 15TH.
UH, SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD COMMUNICATED WITH US THAT THEY DID NOT RECEIVE A NOTICE, UM, WERE NOT ON THE LIST AND THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, BUT THE MOST COMMON ARE THAT THE LIST IS GENERATED FROM THE LATEST AVAILABLE DATA FROM BOTH AUSTIN ENERGY AND, UH, THE TRAVIS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, WHICH MAY BE, WHICH MAY HAVE LACKED.
UH, SO I JUST WANT THE COMMISSION TO KNOW SINCE THAT CASE IS UP FOR CONSENT, THAT THERE HAVE BEEN REQUESTS FOR POSTPONEMENT OF THAT PROCEEDING.
IT IS ENTIRELY WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION TO DECIDE ON A POSTPONEMENT OR PROCEED THIS EVENING.
THE, THE SITUATION IS STRANGE BECAUSE, UH, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN BEFORE AND SAY, I DIDN'T GET NOTICE OF THE HEARING, BUT THEY STILL SHOW UP AND WE'VE ALLOWED THEM TO SPEAK IN THIS CASE WITH OUR REMOTE MEETINGS, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY TO AFFORD THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE Y'ALL AWARE OF THAT.
UM, AND I GUESS, YEAH, THAT IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR THE CASE THIS EVENING OR POSTPONE IT.
I'M SURE I DID SEE THOSE EMAILS AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE THAT TO THE, UM, I GUESS, WOULD THAT BE A DISCUSSION? POSTPONEMENT IS, UM, NOT NECESSARILY, UH, THE OWNERS WISH TO DO THAT.
SO I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE THAT, UM, TO THAT DISCUSSION PERFORMANCE POSTPONEMENT SECTION OF THE MEETING.
[Consent Agenda: 1, B6, B7, C2, C4, C6, E1]
SO AGAIN, GOING, GOING DOWN THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF THE JUNE MEETING MINUTES.THE NEXT ITEM, UM, UNDER APPLICATIONS FOR CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REHAB CASE B TO THE DAVID SIBLEY HOUSE AT 2210 WINDSOR ROAD.
CITY HALL, JUST A FRIENDLY REMINDER.
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PLEASE KEEP YOURSELF ON MUTE BECAUSE THIS IS BROADCASTED.AND IF YOU ARE NOT ON MUTE AND YOU'RE IN, YOU'RE MAKING NOISE TO INTERRUPT THE BROADCAST THAT WE'LL HAVE TO MEET YOU.
SO WE'VE PULLED, UH, ITEM B TWO FOR DISCUSSION ITEM B THREE IS THE GRAM BY B RESIDENTS AT 1406 INFIELD ROAD.
WE'VE PULLED AT A CASE BEFORE 1406 AND FIELD.
UM, OUR NEXT CASE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS ITEM B SIX, THE UNLOCK CULTURE, GARDEN, AND MUSEUM ITEM B SEVEN, THE ALDRICH PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I DON'T WANT TO PULL THAT, BUT I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT THEM.
I THINK THIS IS REALLY, REALLY GOING TO BE A NICE ADDITION AND A NICE EXPANSION IN THAT AREA OF THE HISTORIC PRESENCE NEXT, UNDER PERMITS WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE HAVE TO COLUMBUS DRIVE 2338 COLUMBUS DRIVE WITHIN THE ZILKER PARK NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT 26 OH SEVEN MCCALLUM DRIVE WITHIN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
I WANTED TO PULL THAT FOR DISCUSSION.
AND THEN OUR DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASE, HE WON THE SEAT.
BRIAN'S NEED HOUSE AT 1801 NOUNS DRIVE.
RIGHT? SO JUST GOING OVER THOSE AGAIN, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES.
WE HAVE THE CASE, BEESTIX THE ALOFT SCULPTURE, GARDEN AND MUSEUM.
IT USED TO BE SEVEN IN THE ALDRIDGE PLACE, HISTORIC DISTRICT AC TWO 2338 COLUMBUS DRIVE OR 1404 HARD-WON AVENUE, KC SIX 85 RAINY STREETS AND CASE HE WON THE CBRE ON SNEAD HOUSE.
THOSE ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ANNUAL REPORT.
UM, MR.
I CAN JUST, UM, AND THOSE TO YOU, BUT I ALSO, UM, WANT TO JUST DISCUSS OUR FUTURE, UM, ACTION ITEMS AS WELL.
I PREFER TO KEEP THAT ON THE DISCUSSION UNLESS, UM, EVERYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE THAT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA? I MOVE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MEYER.
DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE VOTE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED THE CONSENT AGENDA PASSES.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, TWO CASES NOW, UM, ON THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT AGENDA ON ONE OF THE CASES WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS SIGNED UP AGAINST, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, WORK.
AND SO I, I JUST WANT TO, UM, KEEP THOSE THAT ARE ON THE LINE.
UM, I GUESS IF YOU WANT IT TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR THIS CASE TONIGHT, UM, PLEASE, PLEASE, UH, SPEAK
[Postponed Items: B1, B4, B5]
OUT.THE TWO CASES FOR CONSENT WAS THE MOMENT ARE UNDER APPLICATIONS FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS ITEM B ONE THAT BARTHOLOMEW ROBINSON BUILDING AT 14, 15 LAVACA STREET, AND THEN CASE B FIVE, THE AT OUR PERIOD STATE AT SEVEN 10 EAST 41ST STREET, BOTH OF THOSE WERE OWNER APPROVED CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS.
BUT IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR THOSE, WE'LL MOVE THOSE TO THE DISCUSSION FOR MOMENT.
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MADAME CHAIR, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ABSTAIN ON ITEM B ONE.AS I DID PREVIOUSLY, WHEN THIS CASE WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TAKE THEM SEPARATELY AND I CAN SIGN OFF BRIEFLY WHILE YOU DISCUSS THIS ONE.
IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE, UM, FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THE, THE POSTPONEMENT FOR EITHER OF THESE CASES? COULD YOU, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE CASES THAT ARE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW? THE FIRST ONE IS A CASE B ONE, THE BARTHOLOMEW ROBINSON BUILDING AT 1415 LAVACA STREET.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS THE COMMODORE PERRY ESTATE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION TO PASS THESE TWO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT WITH MISSIONARY MINDSET, THIS ABSTAINING FROM ITEM
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, LITTLE, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MYERS.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THESE TWO CASES HEARING NONE, THOSE IN FAVOR TO, UH, MOVE THESE TO OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETINGS, PLEASE VOTE.
BY RAISING YOUR HAND, ALL THOSE OPPOSED IT WAS, UM, TWO CASES PASSED ON PROSPECTIVE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT TO NEXT MONTH.
SO I GUESS WE NOW HAVE A MEETING, AN AGENDA ITEM BEFORE WHERE WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT.
MR. COULD ASK YOU TO HEAR THAT BEFORE OUR PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
I'M SORRY, MATT, I'M TAKING YOU REPEAT THAT.
THE CASE FOR DISCUSSION POSTPONEMENT.
I ASSUME THAT WE HEAR, UM, THE SPEAKERS ON, ON THAT, UM, POSTPONEMENT, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO, UM, I GUESS, OBJECT TO POSTPONING THAT TO THE NEXT MONTH.
YES, WE WOULD HEAR FROM THE REQUESTERS OF THE POSTPONEMENT FIRST AND THEN ME APPLICANTS.
WELL, WE WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY TO PLEASE LIMIT COMMENTS ONLY TO THE POSTPONE, BUT NOT THE MERITS OF THE CASE.
IS THERE ANYONE ON THE LINE, UM, TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE POSTPONEMENT OR LET'S SEE THE CASE AT THE WRITTEN ALVAREZ LOPEZ HOUSE AT EIGHT OH NINE EAST NINTH STREET.
IS ANYONE ON THE LINE? I'M IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING THIS TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING? WELL, MADAM CHAIR, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BEAT ON THE LINE.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO JUST GO BY THEIR EMAILS.
THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST BY SEVERAL PEOPLE VIA EMAIL, BUT BECAUSE THIS WAS A REMOTE MEETING, THEY DIDN'T GET THE NOTICE.
THEY DIDN'T CALL IN, IN ADVANCE AS REQUIRED.
SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY THERE THAT THEY CAN PARTICIPATE THAT WAY.
DO WE HAVE, UM, ANY REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE OPPOSED TO POSTPONING THIS CASE TO NEXT MONTH? WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE, TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP IN FAVOR OF THIS CASE, MR. MARK ROGERS AND, AND TOM HATCH.
ARE, ARE YOU IN AGREEMENT? ARE YOU OKAY WITH US POSTPONING THIS CASE UNTIL NEXT MONTH? OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO HEAR THIS CASE? RIGHT.
I REPRESENT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.
AND, UM, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE TO SPEAK ON, ON THE DISCUSSION POST MOMENT, AND I HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE THIS CASE, AUGUST MEETING COMMISSIONER HAIM, SET A MOTION.
DO I HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER, A LITTLE, UH, ALL THOSE, OR IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? I JUST WANTED TO SAY I RECEIVED SEVERAL LETTERS ON IT THAT THEY GOT NOTICE OF IT TOO LATE AT THE MEETING.
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ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING, THIS CASE TO OUR AUGUST MEETING, PLEASE VOTE.BY RAISING YOUR HAND, THAT'S EVERYONE OUT, THOSE OPPOSED.
SO I BELIEVE THAT PASSES 10 TO ZERO.
SO MOVING ON TO OUR PUBLIC TESTIMONY, UM, WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM THOSE THAT HAVE REQUESTED TIME TO SPEAK TO THIS PATIENT.
AND THOSE ON THE LINE WILL SPEAK IN THE ORDER OF THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAY ON MUTE UNLESS YOU ARE CALLED ON TO SPEAK IN THE INTEREST OF OUR LIMITED RESOURCES AND TIME.
PLEASE DON'T REPEAT INFORMATION THAT OTHER OTHER FOLKS IN FRONT OF YOU HAVE GIVEN OUR MEETING THIS EVENING HAS A HARD STOP AT 10:00 PM.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ABLE TO GET ALL OF OUR CASES YOU'D NEED.
WHEN YOU'RE CALLED ON TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
IF THERE IS ANYONE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE CASE, THOSE, UM, THE FIRST SPEAKER WHO SPOKE IN FAVOR, WE'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO OFFER A THREE MINUTE REBUTTAL.
SO WE'LL MOVE TO OUR FIRST CASE UP FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH IS THE DAVID SIBLEY HOUSE AT 2210 WINDSOR ROAD.
WOULD WE NOT HAVE THE, UH, ROGERS, WASHINGTON HISTORIC DISTRICT? I'M SORRY.
YOU'RE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
RIGHT? WE W WE WILL START WITH, UM, OUR APPLICATIONS FOR HISTORIC ZONING.
UM, SO WE WILL HEAR FROM THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS, THE STORY DISTRICT SPEAKERS FIRST.
SO OUR FIRST SPEAKER, UM, THIS EVENING WILL BE MISS BRENDA MALICK.
MY NAME IS BRENDA MALIQUE, MADAM KAREN COMMISSIONERS.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
AND PLEASE AS THE LATE SAM COOK MINUTE, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING, BUT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO YOU.
I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH THE CONTENT AND MATERIAL THAT'S ALREADY BEFORE YOU, BUT THE PROSTATE TO SAY THAT THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IS A SMALL, YET UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE WERE BOARDED JUST NORTH AND SOUTH BY CHESTNUT AND CEDAR AVENUE, EASTERN WEST MLK JOURNEY BOULEVARD AND MAIN ARE ROADS.
OUR NEIGHBORS ARE THE BLACK LIONS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND L CAMPBELL ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
OUR ROOTS GO WAY BACK, BACK TO AN ERA.
WHEN OUR BLACK WORLD WAR II VETERANS WERE TRYING TO GAIN A FOOTHOLD IN A STILL SEGREGATED SOCIETY.
WHEN OUR FATHERS AND MOTHERS TOOK ON THE MANTLE OF GUIDING OUR COMMUNITY TO A BETTER, MORE PROMINENT STANDING IN AUSTIN'S HISTORY, WE BECAME PREACHERS, DOCTORS, NURSES, LAWYERS, TEACHERS, PROFESSORS, CHURCH BUILDERS, SCHOOL, SUPERINTENDENT, STORE OWNERS, SEAMSTRESSES, COOK GAS STATION OWNERS AND EVERYTHING.
OUR COMMUNITY NEEDED TO BUILD UP STRONGER AND MORE UNITED.
WE'VE GOT CONNECTIONS TO THE OLDEST INSTITUTION OF LEARNING AND THE CITY CONNECTIONS TO THE FAMILY LINEAGE OF PRESIDENT THOMAS JEFFERSON CONNECTION TO THE WORLD, RENOWNED ARCHITECT, JOHN CHASE, THE HARLEM CAP COMPANY, AND OTHER LUCRATIVE BUSINESSES.
YOU'LL HEAR MANY OF THESE STORIES FROM MY NEIGHBORS.
THIS GROUP YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR FROM WASN'T FOUNDED AS A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION WITH RULES AND REGULATIONS AND MONTHLY FEES TO BECOME A MEMBER.
YOU KNOW, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE EARLY SIXTIES WITH AUNTIE KIRK IS THEIR FIRST PRECEDENT IN ORDER TO CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER, HOLD ONTO EACH OTHER AND LIFT UP EACH OTHER.
THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS CONTINUES TO BE A GUIDING LIGHT AND VOCAL ADVOCATES FOR THE WELLBEING OF ALL OUR NEIGHBORS, BLACK, WHITE, YOUNG, AND OLD.
SO WHEN WE BEGAN TO SEE SOME OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PRESSURES THAT BEGAN TO SHOW ITSELF AND THE DEMOLITION OF NOT ONLY HOUSES, BUT FAMILY, THE RISE OF MCMANSIONS AND SIX FOOT HIGH BARRIERS MADE OF STONE, AND WHY SOME TACTICS THAT PREVENTED OUR CHILDREN'S STAYING ARE RETURNING TO ABOUT TO OUR BELOVED COMMUNITY.
WE KNEW WE HAD TO STEP UP AND SPEAK OUT.
THAT'S WHY WE WORKED SO TIRELESSLY OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS TO HONOR THE LEGACY OF OUR FATHER AND MOTHERS, AND TO PRESERVE THE FUTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
NOW, DURING THIS TIME OF HEIGHTENED AWARENESS OF COVID-19
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INEQUALITY, I'VE JUST GOT A FEW MORE SENTENCE.WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR MORE THAN JUST A FLAT TO SIGNIFY THE HARD WORK AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF BOTH THAT BUILT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE ASKING YOU TO JUST STAND UP, TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE GREAT HISTORY AND SIGNIFICANCE OF SOME TRULY GREAT HEROES WHO BUILT A LEGACY OF LOVE, TENACITY AND DECENCY.
OUR NEXT NEXT SPEAKER IS IN FAVOR OF THE DISTRICT, PAT CALHOUN.
MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OUR DESIGNATION.
I AM PATRICIA COW, BORN AND REARED IN AUSTIN AND THE DAUGHTER OF TC AND VELMA CALHOUN WHO DESIGNED AND BUILT THEIR HOME ON THE CORNER OF MAPLE AT 24 OH ONE GIVENS AVENUE IN 1959, THEY PURCHASED THEIR PROPERTY FROM A LARGE SUBDIVIDED PARCEL OF LAND OWNED BY BLACK PHYSICIAN, DR.
M J WASHINGTON, MY FATHER, THE SECOND PRINCIPLE OF T LEE JUNIOR HIGH RETIRING AFTER 40 YEARS OF SERVICE, MY MOTHER, A SUPERVISOR OF AFRICAN AMERICAN COUNTY SCHOOLS LATER RETIREMENT IN THE EIGHTIES AS A READING SPECIALIST FROM AISD, BOTH ACTIVE, VITAL PARTS PARTICIPANTS IN THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE FOUNDING AND OPERATION OF THE BLACK TEACHERS CREDIT UNION.
I RETURNED IN 2016 TO THE WHOLE.
MY PARENTS BUILT ONLY HAD THE SHOCK OF PROPERTY TAXES GOING FROM 3000 TO $8,000.
I IMMEDIATELY BECAME A MEMBER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH TWO MISSIONS IN MIND, A VEHICLE TO ADDRESS THE TAX BURDEN FOR EHRS AND NUMBER TWO, TO PREVENT THE RANDOM DEMOLITION OF PROPERTIES AND CONSTRUCTION OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE NO ARCHITECTURAL RELATIONSHIPS TO THE COMMUNITY.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD ALREADY BEGUN DELIBERATIONS WITH VARIOUS ENTITIES TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
AND IN 2016 FORM THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, WHICH BEGAN ACTIVELY WORKING TO INTEGRATE THE DATA FROM THE EAST AUSTIN CITY SURVEY WITH DESIGN STANDARDS FOR OUR APPLICATION.
NOW UNDER YOUR REVIEW, THE COMMITTEE MET WITH PRESERVATION AUSTIN, THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND OTHER ENTITIES ON A REGULAR BASIS FROM SPRING OF 2016 TO PRESENT ALL THE WHILE DISTRIBUTING FLYERS DOOR TO DOOR PRIZING, EACH HOUSEHOLD, THE MEETINGS AND PLANNING UNDERWAY, INCLUDING INVITATIONS TO BE ACTIVE IN THAT PLANNING.
I'LL JUST LIST SOME OF OUR ACTIVITIES, DISTRIBUTION OF FLYERS, MONTHLY TO EACH HOUSEHOLD DELIVERED IN MAILED PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE AT NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER IN 2017, FLYERS DISTRIBUTED AT EACH NATIONAL NIGHT OUT NOTING FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS.
AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SPRING FLING HELD AT THE VORTEX THEATER TO DISSEMINATE INFORMATION AND MEET MORE NEIGHBORS FOR UPDATES.
A SECOND WORKSHOP HELD AS THE VORTEX THEATER.
AGAIN WITH FLYERS HAND DELIVERED AND MAILED APPLICATION PACKETS WITH ALL DETAILS OF DESIGN STANDARDS WERE HAND DELIVERED TO EACH LOCAL HOUSEHOLD AND MAILED TO THOSE OUT OF TOWN WITH ASSOCIATION, CITY CONTACTS, INVITATIONS FOR CONFERENCE CALLS WERE EXTENDED TO THOSE OUT OF TOWN.
SO ALSO ADDRESS IN INDIVIDUALS CONCERNS MANY OF WHICH RESULTED IN MODIFICATION.
IF YOU HAVE HEARD OUR ASSOCIATION AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO INCLUDE AND ENGAGE EVERYONE IN THE PROCESS, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF OUR HISTORIC DESIGNATION WITHOUT DELAY.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JEN MARGULIES.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TONIGHT IN FAVOR OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF CEDAR AND GIVENS AND A HOUSE ORIGINALLY OWNED BY VALERIE CANNON WHO RAN THE SHAMROCK RESTAURANT IN PARK.
ONE OF THE JUKE JOINTS ON EAST 11TH IN THE 1960S.
SHE ALSO MANAGED THE HISTORIC VICTORY GRILL AND WAS LIKE A MOTHER TO LEGENDARY MUSICIANS.
BOBBY BLUE BLAND WOULD PULL UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND HIS BIG BLUE TOUR BUS AND STAY WITH HIS WHOLE BAND AND THIS MODEST HOUSE, THEIR HOME ON THE ROAD IN JIM CROW, AUSTIN.
WHEN MS. CANNON PASSED BOBBY BLUE, BLAND PAID FOR HER FUNERAL AS SHE NEVER MARRIED AND HAD NO CHILDREN.
THE NEXT FAMILY WHO LIVE SCARED WITH THE RIGHT FAMILY, STELLA WRIGHT LEFT THE HOME TO AMBIEN.
I'M GUESSING MS. GOODIE, RIGHT? WHO RAISED SIX CHILDREN IN THE THREE BEDROOM, ONE BATH HOUSE.
MY FAMILY MOVED HERE IN 2013 AFTER MS. WRIGHT PASSED AWAY
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IN THE HOUSE, WHICH HAD A REVERSE MORTGAGE, WAS SOLD TO SOMEONE WHO RENOVATED AND FLIPPED IT.I WANT TO SPEAK TODAY ABOUT HOW OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROMOTE EQUITY AND AFFORDABILITY.
HISTORIC PRESERVATION FOCUSES ON PRESERVING THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF PART OF SUSTAINING LIVING MEMORY OF A PLACE AND THE PEOPLE WHO CREATED IT WHEN HISTORICALLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS ARE TREATED AS A CLEAN SLATE FOR DEVELOPMENT IT'S AS IF HE'S RICH HISTORY HAS NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS PART OF THE RAPIDLY DISAPPEARING BLACK HERITAGE OF EAST AUSTIN.
DISPLACEMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE FROM EAST AUSTIN IS AN ONGOING ISSUE.
HE STOPPED AND LOST 66% OF ITS BLACK RESIDENTS IN THE DECADE BEFORE THIS ONE UNCONSTRAINED DEVELOPMENT.
AND HE STOPPED HIM AS A BIG REASON.
WHY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THAT AS ELDERS PASS AWAY, FINANCIAL CIRCUMSTANCES, DRIVE THEIR FAMILIES TO SELL THE FAMILY HOME DEVELOPERS BUY THE PROPERTY GRAPES A LOT AND PUT UP NEW HIGH END SINGLE OR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING WITH EACH UNIT PRICE $300,000 OR MORE ABOVE THE COST OF EXISTING HOMES IN THE AREA.
WE'VE SEEN THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS, CONTRIBUTING TO A HUGE RISE IN PROPERTY VALUES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND INCREASE PROPERTY TAXES TO DRIVE MORE ORIGINAL BLACK FAMILIES OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
EVEN WHEN THEIR HOMES ARE LONG PAID OFF FOR US, DEVELOPMENT HAS LED TO LESS AFFORDABILITY.
WE HAVE TO STABILIZE THE SITUATION.
OUR APPLICATION FOR A HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT IS IN PART A PLEA TO PUT PEOPLE OVER PROFIT.
OUR PROPOSED DESIGN STANDARDS DO ENCOURAGE THE INCLUSION OF INCREASED DENSITY PROVIDING FOR AB USE AS PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAKEUP AND A WAY TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AFFORDABLE, OFFERING MORE AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING UNITS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND AN ADDITIONAL INCOME STREAM THAT HELPS HOMEOWNERS STAY IN THEIR HOMES, CREATING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT WITHIN ROGERS, WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS WILL HELP SLOW THE DEMOLITION, PREVENT THE ERASER OF THIS AREA'S HISTORY AND MAINTAIN RACIAL DIVERSITY AND ECONOMIC ACCESSIBILITY.
OUR VISION IS A VIBRANT MULTIGENERATIONAL MULTI-RACIAL COMMUNITIES AND INCLUDES APARTMENTS WHILE THERE'S IN THE MAJOR QUARTERS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND RENTERS AND HOMEOWNERS LIVING WITHIN THE PORTION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPRISING THE PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT.
WE ENVISIONED GENERATIONS OF THE FAMILIES WHO FOUNDED THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING OR RETURNING TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN HERE SIDE BY SIDE, WITH NEW RESIDENTS WHO WERE PUTTING DOWN NEW ROUTES.
IN OUR CASE, WE SEE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AS KEY TO A DIVERSE DYNAMIC FUTURE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR. NORMAN.
THANK YOU FOR BEING LISTENING TO US TONIGHT.
I LIVE AT 25 OH NINE WHEREBY I'M ACTUALLY NORMAN SCALES JR.
MY DAD WAS AUSTIN, TEXAS, AND I DO MEAN FIRST BEFORE THEY JOINED SCINTILLA, HE VOLUNTEERED TO GO ONTO THE ARMY OF WORLD WAR II.
HE WAS IN THE ARMY AS AN OFFICER TO BECOME PILOT AND MANY LETTERS TO GET INTO THE AIRMAN EXPERIMENT.
AS ALL OF IT, HE WAS ABE AND BECAME THERE.
DAN WAS PATIENT AND ROMAN SALLY ITALY, WHICH WAS AN ALL BLACK FIGHTER UNIT.
THEY WERE IN THE NORTHERN PARTS OF AFRICA AND THEY ALSO MANY MISSIONS WITH THE FAME FOR FLYING.
BAMA IS BACK AND FORTH TO GERMANY.
AS THEY KNOW MANY, MANY PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY'D NEVER LOST PALMER.
I EVER FLEW MORE THAN SEVEN EMISSIONS OUT THE HIGHS ON THE DISTINGUISHED FLYING FAULTS.
AND THEREFORE THERE WERE ONLY 100 OF THEM.
THEY BUILT THEIR HOUSE AND AUSTIN STARTED AT 712TH STREET AND WHICH NOW NO LONGER EXIST.
HE MOVED HERE IN 1959 AND I AM HERE FOR MY STUFF.
I'VE BEEN HERE OVER THE YEARS.
MY FATHER DIED IN 81, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE JOB THAT HE LIKED.
HE WAS OFF AT THE JOB THAT HE LEFT.
WHEN HE CAME HERE, I STARTED HERE.
HE WENT ON BACK TO SCHOOL AND FINISHED, UH, POLSON AND, UH, STILL COULD NOT GET WHAT HE WANTED TO.
HE DIED IN 81 AND THEREFORE, UH, UH, HONORED BY MCCLELLAN RIGHT NOW.
MY MOM WHO WAS HERE ALSO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING TO GET LL CAMPBELL SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET MAITLAND VERY LATE IN ORDER FOR THAT, BUT WANTING TO KEEP THE HOME AND THE LEGACY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HELPED PIONEER.
IT ALSO GAVE THOSE SERVICE AND
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LIFE FOR AUSTIN, TEXAS FOR THE QUALITY OF THE LIFE, NO MATTER HOW THEY WOULD TREAT IT, STILL ABLE TO STAY HERE, BUILD THE HOUSE.SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT HERE, PAID IT OFF.
WE GREW UP IN AND WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT QUALITY, NOT TO BEAT THINGS AND RUN OUT WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED OVER 40 YEARS.
SO I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
I HOPE THAT YOU AND WITH US TO MAINTAIN GOOD COMMUNITY, THAT WE'VE SO MUCH LOVE.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BARRY MCBRIDE.
MY NAME IS BARRY, MAYBE BRIDE.
I LIVE AT 1900 CEDAR AVENUE, UH, AND UH, THAT PROPERTY IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF MLK EAST MLK AND CEDAR AVENUE.
ONE OF THE LARGE LOTS IN THE ROGERS WASHINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD AND WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST PROPERTIES TO BE DEVELOPED BY THE DEVELOPER WHO DEVELOPED IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, MY, UH, AUNT AND UNCLE, THE JOHNSONS, MAXINE JOHNSON AND GARVIN DUNSON DEVELOPED AND BUILT THIS HOME AND HAD THIS HOME BUILT FOR THEM.
THEY WERE ONE OF THE FIRST ONES TO PURCHASE A HOME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I AM THE NEPHEW, UH, AND I SURVIVED BOTH OF THEM WITH MAXINE RECENTLY HAVING HATS.
AND SHE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL, WHAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, TEACHERS, UH, FROM THE ORIGINAL ELSIE ANDERSON HIGH SCHOOL.
UH, AND SHE WAS A VERY PROUD LONGTERM TEACHER AT THAT SCHOOL.
AND THEY BOTH LOVE LIVING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS, AS WELL AS MANY OF THE OTHERS WHO YOU'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THIS EVENING.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THE HISTORY, UH, IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT ENRICHES THE LIVES OF THOSE WHO ARE COMING BEHIND US.
WE'VE NOTICED THE PROBLEMS AND ISSUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE SPOKE ABOUT ALREADY, BUT EVEN MORE SO PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW MOVING INTO THIS AREA ARE CONSTANTLY ASKING ABOUT THE AREA.
THEY LEFT WITH A C, THEY LOVE THE LAYOUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY GET A SENSE OF COMMUNITY AND A SENSE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS BEEN YOUR, FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT PRESERVED.
MANY OF THEM WHO I TALKED TO AND SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO DON'T LIVE HERE, AND MANY WHO DO LIVE HERE, WHO ARE RECENT PURCHASES OF PROPERTIES HERE, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SEE THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT, WHICH IS A UNIQUE TIME IN HISTORY WHERE THEY PANDEMIC, WHICH HAS WORLDWIDE AND WITH ALL OF THE PROTESTS THAT ARE GOING ON.
THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT IN HISTORY MUST BE SEIZED TO HELP PRESERVE SOMETHING THAT IS VITAL TO THIS CITY.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT ENRICHES THE LIVES OF EVERYONE HERE.
UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD MENTIONED IS LL CAMPBELL SCHOOL.
IT HAPPENS TO BE THE SAME ELEMENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT I WENT TO, UH, AND IT BOUGHT IT.
IT WAS PUT HERE A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, AS WELL AS THE HOSPITAL DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME NOW, PAUL, THE AUSTIN KANSAS AUSTIN CANCER CENTER.
WELL, BEFORE IT WAS A CANCER CENTER, IT WAS THE SECOND VERSION OF HOLY CROSS HOSPITAL, WHICH USED TO BE OFF OF 11TH STREET NEAR, UNDERNEATH THE CHURCH NOW, NOW, WHICH IS HOLY CROSS CATHOLIC CHURCH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SO IMPORTANT, UH, TO HAVE THE HOSPITAL HERE WAS TO HAVE THE HOSPITAL HERE, BECAUSE THERE WAS SUCH LIMITED ACCESS, UH, FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN DOCTORS WHO COULD PRACTICE THEIR MEDICAL PROFESSIONS HERE.
HOLLOWAY WAS ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
HE PRACTICED AT THIS HOSPITAL, UH, AND IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL AS LOS CAMPBELL.
ALL OF THOSE ARE INTEGRAL PARTS OF THIS VERY VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT SHOULD BE PRESERVED IN THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY SHOULD HELP TO GIVE US THE IMPETUS TO PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE ALSO HEARD, IT MENTIONED A LOU RAWLS A MOMENT AGO, WHO HAD AN IMPACT ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND WHO STAYED HERE.
WELL, IF YOU THINK BACK JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT WAS A FILM CALLED THE GREEN BOOK.
WELL, THE GREEN BOOK ACTUALLY HAD IN IT PLACES TO STAY FOR ENTERTAINERS AND FOLKS WHO WOULD COME TO AUSTIN.
THIS WAS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ERA WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT MISSING THINGS.
I TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AREA, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE OUR TIME AND ASK YOU TO GIVE US THE CONSIDERATION THERE WE'RE ASKING.
SO THAT LIVE IN THIS CITY CAN BE FURTHER ENRICHED.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS LAVONNE MARSHALL LAVONNE MARSHALL ON THE LINE.
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I THOUGHT IT WAS SORRY ABOUT THAT.MADAM CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I AM LAVONNE JACKSON, MARSHALL NATIVE AUSTINITE PRODUCT OF AUSTIN, INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT AND HOUSTON TILLOTSON UNIVERSITY.
MY PARENTS, MARION AND SOPHIA JACKSON LONGTIME AUSTIN RESIDENTS BECAME INTERESTED IN BUILDING A NEW HOME IN THE SPRING OF 1958 AND WERE ENCOURAGED BY A FRIEND TO VISIT THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS A RAPIDLY DEVELOPING AREA WITH LARGE LOTS AND A DIVERSE POPULATION.
EDUCATORS, ENTREPRENEURS, PEOPLE WITH GOING FAMILIES.
THEY MET WITH BUILD A TRAVIS COOK WHO OFFER THE LOT AND CONSTRUCTION AT 25 OH EIGHT GIVENS AVENUE FOR $15,000.
IT WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE HOME OF JIMMY SNAIL DISTRICT MANAGER OF ATLANTA LIFE INSURANCE COMPANY, WHO WOULD LATER BECOME CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FROM TRAVIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER.
HIS WIFE, JOANNA WAS A REGISTERED NURSE THAT NURSE AT HOLY CROSS HOSPITAL, WHICH WOULD LATER BUILD IN THE AREA.
ALSO BUILDING ON THE SAME BLOCK WAS DR.
JOHN QUILT TAYLOR KING, LONG TIME EMPLOYEE AT HOUSTON TELLERS COLLEGE LATER UNIVERSITY WHO SERVED AS PROFESSOR OF MATHEMATICS BEING PRESIDENT AND CHANCELLOR OF THE INSTITUTION.
HE WOULD ALSO BECOME PRESIDENT OF KING T HIS MORTUARY AND A THREE STAR RETIRED ARMY GENERAL IN THE RESERVES.
MY FATHER WAS ONE OF THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN POSTAL EMPLOYEES AT THE DOWNTOWN FACILITY.
AND MY MOTHER WAS HOME ECONOMICS TEACHER AT HOUSTON TILLERSON COLLEGE.
SHE WAS ALL, SHE ALSO WORKED AT MAINLY INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT IN PURVIEW AND M UNIVERSITY WHEN GENERAL AND I RETURNED TO AUSTIN IN 1966, WE BECAME RESIDENTS AND I CHILDREN GREW UP ON GIVENS AVENUE.
MY HUSBAND GENERAL WAS EMPLOYED AT HOUSTON TILLOTSON UNIVERSITY AS A MATHEMATICS INSTRUCTOR, THEN DEPARTMENT CHAIR OF NATURAL SCIENCES AND RETIRED IN 2001.
HE WAS AN AVID GOLF OF MORE THAN 60 YEARS AND A MEMBER OF THE SAVE MUNI FOUNDATION FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS, GENERAL MADE FOUR HOLES IN ONE IN HIS LIFETIME.
ONE OF WHICH WON HIM A MAZDA MIATA CONVERTIBLE.
HE WAS REMEMBERED LAST MONTH DURING HIS PASSING, BUT MANY OF AUSTIN'S OUTSTANDING GOLFERS DURING HIS VISITATION AND FUNERAL, INCLUDING TOM KITE AND BEN CRENSHAW.
AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL SUPPORT OUR PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU, MS. MARSHALL, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CONNIE KIRK.
HELLO, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
I AM A NATIVE AUSTINITE AND I GREW UP ON 1908 MAPLE AVENUE.
MY MOTHER IS WILLIE MAE AND HER FIRST BLACK WOMAN TO HAVE A LIBRARY NAMED AFTER HER.
SHE WAS THE FIRST FEMALE, UH, SUPERVISE CHAMPION.
MY FATHER WAS LEE, ANDREW KIRK.
HE WAS THE FIRST BLACK EMPLOYEE AT THE POST BOUT.
HE STARTED THE BRONZE EAGLE CHAPTER HERE FOR BLACK PILOTS, AND HE WAS ONE OF THE ELECTORAL JUDGES.
AND MY BROTHER IS RON, WHO BECAME THE FIRST BLACK OF DALLAS.
HE BECAME THE SECRETARY OF STATE OF TEXAS, AND HE WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH OBAMA AS U S AMBASSADOR OF TRADE.
UH, MY SISTER WAS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.
WE HAVE HISTORICAL FIGURES THAT, UH, UNKNOWN, UH, TO SOME PEOPLE, BUT TO STRANGERS, BUT WELL KNOWN TO MANY.
WE HAVE SERVED THE COMMUNITY WELL AND FAITHFULLY, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL CAN'T TAKE FROM US.
THE HISTORY OF THE BLACKS AT EAST AUSTIN HAVE HAD PROTEST CIVIL RIGHTS PROTEST AGAINST SEGREGATION IN THE SIXTIES.
AND OURS WERE PEACEFUL BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE.
I WAS ONE OF THE PROTESTS THAT MR. STONE CONGRESS, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE POLICE.
WHAT WE CALL WHITE SCHOOLS BACK THEN.
MY MOTHER WAS THE FIRST BLACK TEACHER AT MESS ELEMENTARY, AND SHE ALSO INTEGRATED DOLPHIN ELEMENTARY.
AND SO WE ARE HERE TO PROUDLY TELL, TELL YOU THAT WE WANT CHANGES.
WE WANT THIS VOTE IN FAVOR OF I IS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THEY'VE GIVEN YOU ENOUGH PROOF TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE IS NOT ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN AUSTIN, IN CENTRAL AUSTIN THAT CAN COMPARE TO WHAT THE BLACK LIP DONE FOR THIS HISTORICAL STATUS, STATUS AND VALUE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
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AND WE STILL UPHOLD THOSE ACTS AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THEM.AND SO I WANT TO THANK YOU TODAY.
WHAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU? MADAM CHAIR AND THE COMMISSIONER, AND GOD BLESS YOU DOING THESE GIANT TRY AND TIME OF THE PANDEMIC CHAIR.
I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR MS. KURT.
UH, MS. KIRK, MAY I HAVE YOUR MOTHER'S NAME? YOU SAID WAS THE FIRST BLACK TEACHER AT METS.
UH, WE'RE TRYING TO COLLECT THE HISTORY OF THAT SCHOOL AS IT'S CLOSING.
AND I CAN TELL YOU, I HAVE NOT COME ACROSS THAT RECORD.
WHAT IS HER NAME PLEASE? KURT
AND WHAT YEAR DID SHE, WHAT TWO YEARS DID SHE TEACH THERE? SHE TAUGHT THERE IN THE SIXTIES AND MAYBE THE LATE FIFTIES, IT WILL BE.
WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT, THAT, THAT IS ADDED TO THE RECORD IS AS WE'RE COMPILING IT.
WELL, THAT'S OUR LIBRARY ON OAK SPRINGS AS WELL.
THEY RENAMED IT OUT THERE WILL WILLAMETTE KURT BRANCH LIBRARY.
OH, I KNOW YOUR MOTHER BY HER REPUTATION.
I HAD I, OF COURSE, AND I'M ALSO MY WIFE TAUGHT AT BETSON.
WE WERE VERY ACTIVE WITH THAT COMMUNITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M GETTING THE CHANCE TO PUT THE TWO TOGETHER.
SO I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS OPPORTUNITY.
THANK YOU, MS. KURT SO MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING.
UM, OUR NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS KATE MILLS, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON A CIRCLE AND OUR COMMISSION AND FOR HEARING OUR APPLICATION AND COMMENTS TODAY, MY HUSBAND THREE CHILDREN AND I MOVED TO AUSTIN THREE YEARS AGO, WE WERE LOOKING FOR A RACIALLY AND GENERATIONALLY DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST SETTLING.
AND WE FOUND IT IN THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE FELT WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY FROM OUR FIRST DAY AND HAVE BEEN TREATED LIKE FAMILY EVER SINCE MY KIDS LOVE WAITING TO NEIGHBORS.
THEY SEE IN PASSING AND LOOK FORWARD TO A MINI PLAN TO NEWSY EVENTS LIKE BLOCK PARTIES, PICNICS, AND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
WE TRULY ENJOYED LEARNING ABOUT THE MINI HISTORIC CONTRIBUTIONS OF OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE'VE APPRECIATED HAVING A PERSONAL LIVING CONNECTION TO EAST AUSTIN, BLACK HISTORY.
AS YOU'VE HEARD BY NOW, THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS MANY FIRSTS.
THE FIRST BROAD TRAVIS COUNTY CONDITIONER, THE FIRST BACK LICENSED PILOT, THE FIRST CERTIFIED AI AIC SECRETARY, THE FIRST BLACK TO RECEIVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN ZOOLOGY FROM UT TO RECEIVE A MASTER'S DEGREE IN SPECIAL EDUCATION FROM UT THE FIRST BLACK TO BE APPOINTED TO A CITY OF AUSTIN HUMAN RIGHTS COALITION, THE FIRST BLACK TO BE ELECTED AS THE MAYOR OF DALLAS AND SERVE AS A US TRADE AMBASSADOR IN THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
THE FIRST BLACK TO ESTABLISH A TEACHER'S CREDIT UNION FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN FEATURES THE FIRST BLACK IN AUSTIN TO RECEIVE THE DISTINGUISHED FLYING CROSS FROM THE US AIR FORCE.
ONE OF THE FIRST BLACK SUPERVISORS AT AIC CLIFTON CENTER, THE FIRST BLACK TO BECOME A HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL OF THE FIRST INTEGRATED SCHOOL IN THE STATE, THE FIRST UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS OMBUDSMAN, ONE OF THE FIRST LOCAL TELEVISION ANCHORS AND A STORY.
WE STILL LOVE TO TELL THE FIRST TO THINK A WHOLE AND ONE AND RECEIVED A SHINY RED CAR IS EVERY WORD.
SO THIS HISTORY IS IN OUR PAST.
IT'S STILL LIVING FOR US TODAY.
WHEN I TAKE MY KIDS TO THE WILLIAM ECKRICH LIBRARY, I GET TO TELL THEM WITH PRIDE THAT THE LIBRARY WAS NAMED AFTER AUNTIE CONNIE'S MOTHER FOR HER MANY CONTRIBUTIONS TO AUSTIN.
WHEN WE SAW A TUSKEGEE AIRMAN MURAL IN ANOTHER STATE, I HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO TELL THEM THAT'S ON MR. SCALES.
THE FIRST BLACK FIGHTER PILOT FROM AUSTIN.
AS MY KIDS WALKED TO LILA WITH CAMPBELL, THE MENTOR, DO THEY KNOW GRANDMA BRENDA DOWN THE BLOCK, WENT TO EL CAMPBELL WHEN SHE WAS THEIR AGE, THESE STORIES WE TELL AND CONNECTIONS WE HAVE, DON'T JUST AFFECT THEIR PAST.
THEY SHAPE OUR PRESENT AND OUR FUTURE, AND THEY NEED TO BE PRESERVED.
MY FAMILY AND MY NEIGHBORS WANT THIS STORY HISTORY OF THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS NEIGHBORHOOD, TO CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF OUR PRESENCE AND OUR FUTURE.
WE DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RATES THERE BY DEVELOPERS AS IF NOTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE TOOK PLACE HERE.
WE WANT THIS PIECE PIECE OF THE RICH BLACK HERITAGE OF EAST AUSTIN TO BE PRESERVED FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MS. MISAEL RAMOS.
MY NAME IS MICHELLE RAMOS, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
I WANT TO TELL A PERSONAL STORY OF MY EXPERIENCES HERE AT WA ROGERS, WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS.
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UM, JUST SOME BACKGROUND CONTEXT ON MYSELF.I ORIGINALLY MOVED TO AUSTIN FROM DALLAS IN OH SIX AND MOVED BACK TO DALLAS IN 2011 ONLY TO RETURN TO AUSTIN AND 2000 14:00 AM I RETURNED.
I HAD A TEMPORARY LIVING SITUATION IN WHICH I WOULD NEED TO FIND A PLACE WITHIN A FEW MONTHS OF MOVING BACK TO AUSTIN.
I DECIDED TO TAKE SOME TIME WITH MY SEARCH WHO PUT TOGETHER SOME CRITERIA BECAUSE I KNEW MY NEXT LOCATION WOULD BE A PLACE I WANTED TO PLANT SOME ROOTS.
I WAS LOOKING FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD POTENTIAL WALKABILITY TO RESTAURANTS, THE UNIVERSITY, DOWNTOWN AND PARKS, WHILE STILL MAINTAINING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING COMMUNITY AFTER EXPLORING MANY NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, I SOMEHOW SOME WAY ALWAYS FOUND MY WAY BACK TO ROGERS, WASHINGTON.
HOLY CROSS FROM DAY ONE, THE NEIGHBORS OF OUR WACC HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WILLING TO OPEN THEIR DOORS AND HEARTS TO NEW NEIGHBORS IN HOPES OF BUILDING A COMMUNITY ACCEPTING OF EVERYONE DURING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS PRE COVID.
IT WAS NOT OUT OF THE ORDINARY FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MEET AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE.
IF THEY HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND TALK THROUGH ADU HEIGHTS WITH THEM OVER ICE TEA AND DEVILED EGGS, OR ORGANIZED SPECIAL CALLED CONFERENCE MEETINGS WITH ANY NEIGHBORS CONCERNED ABOUT SETBACKS.
SO THAT ALSO INCLUDED IN THIS LONG, LONG, LONG PROCESS, THIS TYPE OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WHETHER IT'S PARTNERING WITH OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES TO COMBAT DISPLACEMENT, ADVOCATING FOR TEACHERS, RIGHT, OR JUST SIMPLY ORGANIZING PEOPLE FOR HOT DOGS AND SODAS FOR OUR LEGENDARY NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ALWAYS TREATED NEIGHBORS AS AN EXTENSION OF THEIR FAMILY WITH THE 1928 PLAN THAT HAS POPPED UP IN MUCH RECENT CONVERSATIONS.
WE'RE SEEING AGAIN, THE SYSTEMIC REMOVAL OF AFRICAN AMERICAN HOUSEHOLDS FROM EAST AUSTIN, WHICH AFRICAN-AMERICANS SUBSEQUENTLY BUILT THRIVING SCHOOLS, HOMES, AND BUSINESSES ONLY TO BE PUSHED OUT AGAIN THIS TIME.
SO THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY DESTROYING OUR HISTORY AND OUR TRADITIONS AND ITS PATH, BUT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE CITY IS NOT ONLY PRESERVING THE LOOK AND FEEL OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S PRESERVING SOMETHING MUCH MORE RICH LEGACY THAT'S STEEPED IN BLACK EXCELLENCE.
ACCEPTANCE LOVE THE URGE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL COMMUNITY.
AND IF YOU WERE WONDERING, I ENDED UP MOVING INTO THE APARTMENTS, WHICH ARE NOW CONDOS ON 24, ZERO ONE FADER ROAD.
THEY USED TO BE KNOWN AS EAST SIDE COMMONS OR BETTER KNOWN IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES AS VANDERBILT OR NEW MAINER APARTMENTS, AKA THE NUDIST COLONY, AND NO CLOTHING IS NOT OPTIONAL.
YOU NEED TO COVER UP WHILE STILL LIVING THERE.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARILYN POOL.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HISTORICAL PERTINENT, NOT ONLY FOR ARCHITECTURE, BUT FOR ALL OF THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT ON MY LITTLE HALF BLOCK, OUR TWO ORIGINAL DESIGNED BY NATIONALLY KNOWN ARCHITECT, JOHN CHASE, WHO WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN TO RECEIVE A DEGREE IN ARCHITECTURE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
AND HE WAS THE FIRST BLACK LICENSED ARCHITECT IN THIS SPACE.
HIS VERY FIRST RESIDENTIAL DESIGN WHEN HE GRADUATED IS THAT 1906 MAPLE AVENUE.
AND IT WAS CREATED FOR IRENE HILL THOMPSON, WHO WAS WIDOW OF OSCAR L THOMPSON.
OSCAR THOMPSON WAS THE VERY FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN TO GET A DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS RECEIVING A MASTER'S IN ZOOLOGY IN 1951, IRENE HERSELF WAS THE ONLY CERTIFIED SCHOOL TEACHER IN AISD.
AND THAT WAS BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER INTEGRATION.
THE OTHER CHASE DESIGN IS THE OFTEN FEATURED MODERN HOME AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF MARTIN LUTHER KING AND MAPLE AVENUE THAT WAS BUILT FOR RESPECTED BUSINESS WOMAN, DELLA PHILLIPS, WHO OWNED PHILLIPS A SHAW FUNERAL HOME IN THE EAST BOSTON.
THAT HOME HAS HOSTED MANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS FUNCTION, AND IT IS A COMMUNITY LANDMARK ACROSS THE STREET FROM DELLA PHILLIPS HOUSE IS OUR SCHOOL CUSTOM BUILT SINGLE STORY RANCH HOME, BUT HIS HOUSE GETS OVERSHADOWED BY HIS AWARD WINNING YARD DESIGNS THAT FEATURE A 10 FOOT STATUE OF LIBERTY, A THINKER AND HIS RED AND WHITE PAINTED OAK IRA.
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DAD IS UNIQUE YARD.ART HAS BEEN FEATURED NATIONALLY AND TELEVISION SHOWS, SYNDICATED NEWS, BOOK, PUBLICATIONS, DISSERTATIONS, AND LOCAL NEWSPAPERS.
A POOL IS A, WAS A WELL LOVED TEACHER.
HE WAS ALSO RENOWNED AS THE BLACK COWBOY LEADING THE TRAVIS COUNTY.
SHERIFF'S POSSE ON HORSEBACK HAS FLAGGED THERE IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES BEHIND POOLS HOUSES.
THE CUSTOM BUILD BY ROBERT AND RUTH MCALLISTER.
RUTH WAS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN TO RECEIVE A MASTERS FROM UT IN SPECIAL EDUCATION.
AND HER HUSBAND OWNED AND OPERATED ONE OF THE VERY FEW GROCERY STORES IN EAST AUSTIN.
I ONCE MET A WOMAN WHO HAD GROWN UP IN EAST AUSTIN, AND SHE TOLD ME THAT AS A CHILD, SHE WOULD RIDE THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST WISH THAT SHE COULD LIVE THERE.
IF IT BUILDS EV IF IT WAS FILLED WITH EVERYONE'S TEACHERS AND COMMUNITY LED LEADERS, IT REPRESENTED AND INSPIRED SUCCESS.
THE INVESTORS WHO ARE DESTROYING THE CHARACTER OF OUR HOMES HAVE NOT BOTHERED TO GET TO KNOW THIS HISTORY.
OUR APPLICATION IS ASKING YOU TO PROTECT IT.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PAULA WILLISON.
MS. SIMPSON, ARE YOU ON THE LINE AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO LINDSAY DARRINGTON.
I'M PRESERVATION, AUSTIN'S EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND WHERE THE CITIES WE'RE AUSTIN CITYWIDE, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, NONPROFIT.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND ALL THE STAFF FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK THIS EVENING AND FOR ALL, FOR ALL THAT YOU DO.
AND I'M REALLY HONORED TO CALL IN TONIGHT TO JOIN NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATES AND SUPPORTING THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS HISTORIC DISTRICT.
OUR NONPROFIT IS SUPPORTED THESE EFFORTS FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, AS PAT CALLAGHAN INDICATED FROM HELPING IN THE EARLY STAGES OF DESIGN GUIDELINES AND RESEARCH TO PROVIDING TWO MATCHING GRANTS, TO HELP COVER CITY FEES AND MAILING COSTS.
AND ALL OF THAT IS TO SAY, WE'RE, WE'RE EXCITED TO PLAY A VERY SMALL ROLE IN THIS VERY HUGE EFFORT AND EXCITED TO SUPPORT THESE NEIGHBORS AND ADVOCATES TO SEE JUST FOR WHAT THEY ARE, WHICH IS A WAY TO PRESERVE THEIR HISTORY AND THEIR COMMUNITY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.
THIS DISTRICT MARCH MARKS A MAJOR STEP FORWARD AND EXPANDING OUR CITY'S LOCALISTS OUR DISTRICT PROGRAM INTO EAST AUSTIN, UM, TO CORRECT A LONG OVERDUE IMBALANCE AND PROTECTING AFRICAN AMERICAN AND MEXICAN AMERICAN HERITAGE.
UM, IT'S CLEAR TONIGHT, UM, THE ADVOCATES, PASSION AND GRASSROOTS DEDICATION TO PROTECTING THEIR HERITAGE, UM, IS, UM, IT'S EVIDENT, IT'S CLEAR.
UM, WE'RE HONORED TO SUPPORT THEIR WORK AND ENCOURAGE COMMISSIONERS TO DO THE THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WELL, CAN NOW HEAR FROM MIKE BLACKHURST, MR. BLACKHURST, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? THE LINE? OH, YES.
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT WITH YOU ALL, UH, VERBALLY.
WE OWN A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY ON GIVENS AVENUE.
WE MOVED AWAY, UH, TO SUPPORT MY FATHER WHO HAS PARKINSON'S HE'S PITTSBURGH, PA, UM, AND RENAMED TO RETIRE TO THE RUSH WASHINGTON NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, I HAPPENED TO PASS THE SCENTED, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT'S BEEN REALLY WONDERFUL TO CONNECT WITH YOU ALL VERBALLY.
I'VE REALLY ENJOYED HEARING YOUR STORIES.
I WAS IGNORANT OF THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WAS IGNORANT OF YOUR FAMILY'S HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY, I FEEL SAD THAT I WASN'T ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT THESE STORIES BEFORE NOW.
UM, AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M, UM, I'M TOTALLY FULLY
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IN SUPPORT OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.UM, I KNOW THAT I CAST MY VOTE AS NEUTRAL FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS MEETING, BUT, UM, I REALLY ENJOYED HEARING YOU ALL SPEAK AND, UM, I SUPPORT THE ADOPTION OF THE STANDARDS.
THANK YOU, MR. BLACK, CHRIS, THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT AS WELL.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HEAR.
WE HAVE TWO FOLKS LINED UP, UM, IN OPPOSITION, A HISTORIC ZONING WE'LL FIRST HEAR FROM TAYLOR MCDOWELL.
WELL, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S BEEN HERE SPEAKING FOR SHARING THEIR THOUGHTS AND, UH, ILLUMINATING TO HEAR, UM, UH, MY WIFE AND I ARE, ARE AN INTERRACIAL COUPLE THAT, UH, UH, BOUGHT THE CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY LOCATED AT TWO ZERO ONE ONE MAPLE AVENUE A FEW MONTHS AGO DURING THE PANDEMIC.
UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THIS HISTORIC DESIGNATION PROCESS HAS BEEN PERCOLATING FOR AWHILE, BUT IT'S, IT'S RELATIVELY NEW TO US.
I MEAN, WE, WE NOTICED THE SIGNAGE OF THE NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING LATELY, UH, THURSDAY NIGHT.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GET UP TO SPEED ON EVERYTHING.
UM, BUT FOR US, OUR, OUR PROPERTY ACREAGE IS LARGER THAN MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION ON OUR PROPERTY IS A, IS A KEY ECONOMIC FACTOR FOR THE APPRECIATION OF OUR PROPERTY VALUE AND FOR FUTURE RETAIL.
UM, AND SO, SO, SO WE AREN'T DEVELOPERS OURSELVES, BUT ATTACHING A HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING DESIGNATION TO OUR PROPERTY WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY AND ADVERSELY AFFECT OUR ABILITY TO RESELL OUR HOME.
UH, SINCE A BUILDER WOULD BE MORE HESITANT TO BUY A HOME THAT WOULD REQUIRE EXTRA PERMITTING OR CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, UH, IN LIGHT OF RESTRICTIONS ON CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO, SO FOR THAT REASON, MY WIFE AND I FEEL THAT WE WOULD BE UNDULY AND DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BY THE ZONING PROCESS AND TO BE SPEAKING CANDIDLY, WE FEEL IT'S A BIT UNFAIR TO POTENTIALLY HINDER OUR POOL OF PROSPECT OR PROSPECTIVE BUYERS IN THE FUTURE.
AND SO OUR PROPERTIES THAT NORTHERN MOST ON THE, ON THE PROPOSED, NOT FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
AND SO LITERALLY THE HOUSES RIGHT NEXT TO OURS WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE DISTRICT.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE REALLY JUST ASKING IS IT ARE THE BE SLIGHTLY REVISED TO EXCLUDE OUR PROPERTY.
AND WE THINK THIS WOULD BE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYONE.
YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I IS PROPERTY RIGHTS AND AUTONOMY WOULD BE PRESERVED.
AND THOSE WHO WEREN'T SUPPORTIVE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING WOULD BE SPARED, YOU KNOW, TIME AND EXPENSE AND KIND OF RESPONDING TO US OR AS WE UTILIZE THE APPELLATE AND ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.
UM, I WOULD NOTE THAT EVEN WITH OUR PROPERTY EXCLUDED, THERE WOULD STILL BE 56 PROPERTIES IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, 46 OF WHICH WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING, CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES, MEANING THE EXISTING 82% CONTRIBUTION RATE WOULD STILL BE PRESERVED.
UH, AND I ALSO DID NOT SEE ANYTHING IN THE SUBMITTED NARRATIVE HISTORY THAT MADE SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO OUR PROPERTY.
UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY OUR PROPERTIES INCLUSION WOULD BE PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE.
UM, IN, IN THE ALTERNATIVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPROVAL PROCESS, BE SOMEWHAT DELAYED SO THAT, UM, OUR VOICE, ANY OTHER POSSIBLE DISSENTING VOICES CAN PROVIDE INPUT ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS OR, OR POTENTIAL, UM, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS, UH, COMMUNICATIONS AND DISSEMINATION OF INFORMATION HAS BEEN KIND OF HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT DURING THE ENDEMIC.
WE'D LIKE, UH, YOUNGER AND NEWER OWNERS SUCH AS MY WIFE AND I HAD TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND PARTICIPATE IN, YOU KNOW, JUST FOR, UH, TO CONCLUDE, YOU KNOW, JUST VERBIAGE THAT I'VE HEARD SUCH AS STABILIZING PROPERTY VALUES ALMOST SEEMS TO BE A EUPHEMISM FOR SUPPRESSING PROPERTY GROWTH.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO, UH, IF MY, OUR PROPERTY CANNOT BE EXCLUDED, BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS REGARDING THE FORECAST ECONOMIC IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION PROCESS, UH, IS APPROVED, UH, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
HIM IT'S PAMELA LAMB ON THE LINE, PLEASE.
WE WILL MOVE BACK TO MS. MALIQUE, IF SH IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A REBUTTAL, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES,
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CERTAINLY.UM, I'VE GOT A FEW POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS.
WE THOUGHT ABOUT BETWEEN PRESERVING AND NEIGHBORHOODS WITH HERITAGE AND MAINTAINING FLEXIBILITY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN UPDATE ALTER AND USE THEIR CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES ACCORDING TO THEIR CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WAS IMPORTANT TO US FOR THIS REASON.
WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS A MIX OF RETIREES, SINGLE PEOPLE, FAMILIES WITH KIDS, RESIDENTS, HOMEOWNERS, PEOPLE WHO RENT OUT THEIR PROPERTIES AND RECORDS STARTING WITH OUR FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD PRESENTATION IN OCTOBER, 2017, WE'VE WORKED TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAD A VOICE IN THE PROFIT.
WE DISTRIBUTED INFORMATION ABOUT PRACTICE DOOR TO DOOR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MONTHLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND FIVE IN PERSON EVENTS AT TWO DIFFERENT POINTS.
OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS, WE SPENT MAIL-OUTS WITH FACTS ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICT AND DRAFT DESIGN STANDARD TO ALL IN TOWN AND OUT OF TOWN.
HOMEMADE HOMEOWNERS AT THE MAILING ADDRESS LISTED IN T HAD THE CITY'S OFFICIAL MAILING AND PUBLIC WORKSHOP FOLLOWED OUR UP REACH.
EVEN WHEN IT WASN'T AS SMOOTH AS WE LIKED, WE MADE SURE TO ENGAGE HOMEOWNERS WHO LIVE OUT OF TOWN, INCLUDING MANY PHONE CALLS AND EMAIL EXCHANGES WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, HE LEASED OUT THEIR PROPERTY AND CURRENTLY LIVE OUT OF STATE.
WE REVIEWED AND RESPONDED TO PAGES OF QUESTIONS, INCORPORATED FEEDBACK INTO THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND SHERIFF THE NEW DRAFTS.
WE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH THE COUPLE.
WE BOUGHT A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY AND WE'RE MAKING SIGNIFICANT EXTERIOR CHANGES, INCLUDING THE BUILDING OF AN ADU TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW TO FINE TUNE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF NEW NEIGHBORS, MAKING A HOME IN A CONTRIBUTING CROP.
THESE ARCHITECTURAL AND ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE HELPED US MAKE DETAILED CHANGES TO REQUIREMENTS IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND SUMMARY FROM THE START OF OUR DISCUSSIONS IN EARLY 2016, UP UNTIL THE MEETING, OUR APPLICATION MAY 8TH, 2020.
WE MAY SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND RESPOND TO ALL OF THE CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS WE RECEIVE FROM NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO CHANGING THE LANGUAGE ABOUT REPLACING WALLS, DOORS, ROOF, PORCHES, AND WINDOWS TO ALLOW STATICALLY CONFORMING REPLACEMENT AND NOT REQUIRE MATCHING OF ORIGINAL MATERIAL AND FEASIBLE CHANGE THE 21 FOOT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, A NEW CONSTRUCTION, INCLUDING ADU TWO 27 FEET AND ADDED LANGUAGE TO MATCH CHAPTER F FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE ADDED STANDARDS PERMITTING.
WE ADD ENERGY EFFICIENCY AS A REASON TO REPLACE WINDOWS AND CHANGE AND CHANGE STANDARDS TO ENSURE THAT THEY CLEARLY PERMITTED USE OF A VARIETY OF ENERGY EFFICIENT EQUIPMENT.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A COMPLEX PROCESS WITH MANY MOVING PARTS, AND WE'D DONE A LOT OF WORK IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
WE URGE THE COMMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS, UH, APPLICATION, UH, AND, UH, WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANY LONGER.
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO TOOK TIME OUT OF THEIR EVENING TONIGHT TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE.
UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO STAY ON THE LINE AND THE, UM, YOUR CASE IS, UH, PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION FORMALLY.
UM, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE CASE IN KESKIN CASE, THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTION, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT, UM, DISCUSSION CASE, UM, FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
IT'S THE DAVIS SIBLEY HOUSE AT 12, 10 WINDSOR ROAD.
WE HAVE, UM, ONE SPEAKER WHO SIGNED UP IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES, I AM.
MR. HUBBERT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, UH, TO, TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER.
UM, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU, ARE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT A PRESENTATION
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OR NO, WE WILL NOT.MR. COVET, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE JUST HEARING, UM, PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
UM, AND AFTER WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYONE THAT'S ON THE PHONE, WE WILL MOVE TO A PRESENTATION AT, UH, UH, YOUR AT THAT POINT.
UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, PRIOR TO THAT PRESENTATION, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
NO, I'LL WAIT, NO NEED TO TAKE TIME RIGHT NOW.
I'LL WAIT TILL WE CAN START THE PRESENTATION.
IF YOU WAIT UNTIL THE PRESENTATION THOUGH, YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT FOR COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PRESENT YOUR PROJECT, WE, WE ARE NOW, UM, LOOKING AT THE, UM, PROJECT PLANS THAT YOU PRESENTED TO US.
UH, I MET WITH CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE LAST WEEK AND, UM, CHANGE THE PRESENTATION, FOLLOWING THEIR MEETING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
UM, I, I WILL SAY IN GENERAL, THE, THE PROJECT CONSISTS OF ABOUT 80% RESTORATION OF THE EXISTING HOUSE, UH, AND, UH, INCLUDING A 1975 EDITION.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I DID IN THE PRESENTATION WAS TRIED TO SHOW WHERE THE 75 ADDITION OCCURS BECAUSE SOME OF OUR CHANGES IN WINDOWS OCCUR IN THAT EDITION.
UM, I ALSO INCLUDED AN OVERALL SITE PLAN TO TRY TO MAKE IT MORE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE DOING.
UM, WE ARE IN GENERAL, WE ARE REPLACING THE ROOF ON THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE TO TAKE THE LUCY TILE OFF, PUT A NEW ROOF ON, PUT THE, PUT THE HISTORIC TILE BACK.
WE HAVE A SOURCE FOR NEWT, FOR RECLAIMED, LITERALLY SEE TILE TO SUPPLEMENT THE MATERIAL.
UM, WE HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT SOME WALLS DUE TO ROT.
UM, WE HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT SOME WINDOWS, SOME OF THE WOOD WINDOWS DUE TO ROT WHERE WE CONSTRUCTING THOSE WITH ALL WOOD, BUT ONLY WHERE WE HAVE TO OTHERWISE WE'LL BE REPAIRING WINDOWS.
UM, SOME OF THE DOORS AND WINDOWS IN THE HOUSE HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH STEEL AND OR VINYL UNITS.
WE'LL BE TAKING THOSE OUT AND REPLACING THEM WITH NEW WOOD UNITS TO MATCH THE ORIGINAL WOOD WINDOWS.
UM, THERE ARE TWO ADDITIONS ON THE HOUSE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING THAT I THINK ARE REALLY THE AREAS THAT, THAT ANY OF YOU MIGHT HAVE CONCERNED WITH.
THERE IS A ONE STORY, UH, DICK SIX FOOT ADDITION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC.
UM, IF IT'S ONLY VISIBLE FROM THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
WE ARE PROPOSING A REMEDY 15 SECONDS.
UM, WHEN'S THEIR SIDE, UH, REMAINS MOSTLY UNCHANGED, JUST NEW WINDOWS, THE T'S ROADSIDE, WHICH IS BEHIND THE WALL HAS A NEW ROOM ADDITION.
UH, AND WE ARE PROPOSING A NEW CAR PORT ON THE DRIVEWAY AND THOSE, THOSE ARE VISIBLE IN THE, IN THE MATERIAL.
WELL, WE'LL MOVE NEXT TO CASE B THREE AT 1406.
INFIELD IS LEAH ROMERO ON THE PHONE.
I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH WORD AND CARD DESIGN GROUP.
UM, I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE LANDSCAPE SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO 1406 N FIELDS.
UM, THE MAJOR TRENDS THAT I BELIEVE TRIGGERED THIS REVIEW IS THE DEMO OF THE GARAGE IN THE BACKYARD.
UM, IT DOESN'T MATCH THE HOUSE OR SEEM TO HAVE BEEN CITED AT THE SAME TIME AT THE HOUSE.
UM, REMOVING THE GARAGE WILL ALLOW US TO OPEN UP THE SCALE TO MATCH THE HOUSE IN A WAY THAT SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING AN ADDITION OF A POOL, A SIMPLE FORM WITH A CONCRETE COPING TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE AGE AND THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE.
THE STYLE OF THE LANDSCAPE IS TERMINATING AS UNCLUTTERED AS POSSIBLE.
AND IN KEEPING WITH THE PRAIRIE STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, UM, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY VERTICAL OBSTRUCTIONS OR ANYTHING NEW THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.THANK YOU, MR. ROMERO, WILL NEXT HEAR FROM DAVID CLARK ON THIS CASE? HEY, DAVID CLARK HERE, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, CARTWELL STUDIO FOR THE INTERIOR REMODEL REMODEL PORTION OF THE PROJECT.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING, UM, REMOVING, UH, SOME WINDOWS AND A DOOR ON THE EXTERIOR ELEVATION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT FEASIBLE FROM, UH, EITHER THREE SIDES OF THE, EITHER TO LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE OR THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE ARE PROPOSING TO, UH, PUT IN WINDOWS THAT HAVE, HAVE THE SAME PROPORTION AND THE SAME COLOR OF THE EXISTING TRIM, KEEPING ALL OF THE EXISTING EXTERIOR COLORS AND OVERALL LOOK OF THE HOUSE, IDENTICAL.
UM, AND THEN PUTTING IN A WOOD DOOR WITH TWO SIDELIGHTS, UM, REPLACING THE EXISTING DOOR.
UM, AGAIN, UM, THE DOOR EXTERIOR IS TO BE PAINTED TO MATCH THE EXISTING EXTERIOR DOORS AND THE NEW WINDOWS GOING IN OUR TO BE MATCHED THAT TO THE EXISTING TRIM, UH, AND TO THE SAME STYLE AND PROPORTIONS OF EXISTING WINDOWS.
THANK YOU, MR. CLARK, WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM UNDER PERMITS WITHIN A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
WE HAVE A KC ONE 90 TO 92 RAINY STREET WITHIN THE RAINY STREET NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
IS AMANDA SWORE ON THE LINE? YES, MA'AM AMANDA SCORE HERE AND I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO KC THREE 26 OH SEVEN MCCALLUM DRIVE WITHIN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
UM, C WE HAVE JENNIFER HANLON ON THE LINE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE.
HI, DAVID, ON THE, UH, ON THE CASE FOR PERMIT PARTNERS AND LUKE JENNIFER FERBER'S OUT OF TOWN, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THE CASE WAS UP CONSENT AND STAFF PULLED IT, BUT, UM, OF COURSE, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT COMMISSIONER HAL.
CASE IS C5 THREE 13 BRECKER DRIVE IS STUART SAMPLING ON THE LINE.
I'M ON THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT PERMISSION.
OUR NEXT THREE CASES ARE WITHIN, UH, DEMOLITION OR RELOCATION PERMITS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE IS, IS CASE
UM, WE HAVE ONE PERSON SIGNED UP IN OPPOSITION TO THIS.
MS. DERRINGTON ARE YOU ON THE LINE? YES.
I'M SPEAKING ON A COUPLE OF, UM, CASES TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY, UM, PRESERVATION AUSTIN SUBMITTED A LETTER REGARDING 25 OH TWO PARTS YOU DRIVE FOR THE LAST IS DIRECT LANDMARK COMMISSION.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO CALL TONIGHT TO, UM, RESTATE OUR SUPPORT FOR HISTORIC ZONING FOR THIS IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT PROPERTY.
AND ALSO TO ENCOURAGE THE LANDMARK COMMISSION TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THIS PROPERTY HAS IMPACT ON LOCALISTS OR DISTRICT EFFORTS OR FUTURE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT EFFORTS.
THERE WERE ABOUT 22 ORIGINAL AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE HOMES IN THIS VERY SMALL SUBSET OF ALLENDALE.
AND SEVERAL OF THEM HAVE BEEN LOST IN THE LAST FEW YEARS ALONE.
WE, FOR OUR 2016 HOMES TOUR FEATURED TWO HOUSES IN THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE.
AND EVEN SINCE THEN, JUST FOUR YEARS AGO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT.
SO, UM, FOR OUR PART AS THE CITY'S, UM, YOU KNOW, LEADING VOICE FOR CERT PRESERVATION, WE JUST ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THIS UNIQUE HOMES, HISTORY, UM, IT'S LEGACY AS PART OF THE EARLY WORKS OF ARCHITECT FRED DAY.
UM, IT'S UNIQUE HISTORY, UH, AS PART OF THE AIR CONDITIONER VILLAGE AND KNOW HISTORY THAT NO OTHER CITY HAS, BUT US, BUT THEN ALSO AGAIN, UM, WHAT ITS POTENTIAL DEMOLITION COULD MEAN FOR HONORING THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS, HERITAGE, UM,
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THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION MOVING FORWARD.UM, OUR NEXT, UH, CASE FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS CASES D THREE 55 12 SHOW WOULD IS MARK CANADA ON THE LINE.
I AM ON THE LINE AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY, OKAY.
I'M NOT SURE IF THEY ARE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED.
SARAH, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? HI, THIS IS BRIAN.
UM, I GUESS WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE.
D FOUR 25 OH ONE SOUL WITH WILSON AVENUE.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THAT.
UM, YOU SAY SOMETHING GOOD? YEAH.
SO I, I JUST LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING.
YOU'RE INVITED TO REMAIN ON THE LINE IN CASE THE COMMISSION HAS QUESTIONS.
UH, YOU MAY LEAVE THE CALL AND CONTINUE TO WATCH THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE WEB LINK THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU.
UM, BUT PLEASE, IF YOU REMAIN ON THE LINE, UM, REMEMBER TO REMAIN ON MUTE UNLESS YOU'RE CALLED ON TO SPEAK.
[2A. Presentation by AISD regarding Yellow Jacket Stadium]
THE PRESENTATION FROM AISD ON THE YELLOW JACKET STADIUM.THIS IS DREW JOHNSON WITH OPTIMIZED SPEAKING.
UM, COMMISSIONER, THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING ME IN FRONT OF ALL THIS EVENING.
UM, I WANTED TO COME AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND RESPOND TO A FEW QUESTIONS THAT WE GOT FROM SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING, UH, THE EAST SIDE MEMORIAL PROJECT AND THE EXISTING YELLOW JACKET STADIUM LOCATED AT THE ORIGINAL HEALTH SANDERSON CAMPUS.
UM, I'M REFERRING TO MY PRESENTATION HERE.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LAG ONLINE.
SO IF Y'ALL WOULD GO TO THE SECOND SLIDE HERE, UH, YOU SHOULD SEE, YOU SAID MEMORIAL AGREEMENT, UM, JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORIC PRESENTATION AGREEMENT, UM, WHICH I'VE SEEN BEFORE, BUT AS YOU'RE AWARE, WE, UM, ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT TO TAKE DOWN THE MAJORITY OF, UH, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AT TOP OF THE HILL, UM, AND, AND REBUILDING ITS PLACE, UM, WITH DESERVED MATERIALS, MANY OF THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS, AS WELL AS MADE CERTAIN AGREEMENTS, THAT'S HISTORIC PRESERVATION REGARDING YELLOW JACKET STADIUM, WHICH IS DOWN THE HILL FROM WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS OCCURRING.
UH, NEXT SLIDE WE'LL SHOW YOU THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION AREA.
UH, YOU'LL SEE, SHADED IN YELLOW IS WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTING.
YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE VAST MAJORITY OF THIS WORK IS TAKING PLACE UP THE HILL WHERE THE, UM, ORIGINAL LC ANDERSON, UH, STRUCTURE WAS AND WHERE THE NEW, UH, SCHOOL BUILDING WILL BE.
YOU WILL NOTE THOUGH THAT WE ARE COMING DOWN THE HILL FOR A FEW THINGS.
THERE IS SOME SITE AND CIVIL WORK, UH, DOWN THE HILL, AS WELL AS THE FENCING AS WAS, WE ARE BUILDING A NEW FIELD HOUSE, BUT, UH, I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE NOT MODIFYING OR DEMOLISHING THE EXISTING FIELD HOUSES ON SITE.
UH, SLIDE FOUR SHOWS THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES.
UM, THE, THESE ARE HISTORIC STRUCTURES THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED, UM, YOU KNOW, DECADES IN THE PAST.
AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, THESE ARE NOT BEING TOUCHED AS CURRENT, THE PART OF THE CURRENT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT TIMELINE.
UM, WHAT YOU'LL SEE ANNOTATED HERE, WHAT, WHAT'S THE CAT MEANING THAT'S A COMMUNITY ARCHITECTURAL TEAM OR A CAMPUS ARCHITECTURAL TEAM, UM, THAT THAT HAS BOTH STAKEHOLDERS FROM, UM, THE EAST SIDE MEMORIAL CAMPUS, AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL ANDERSON ALUMNI ASSOCIATION.
AS I BELIEVE WE'VE SPOKEN WITH Y'ALL PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE WORKING WITH ALUMNI FROM THE ORIGINAL LC ANDERSON CAMPUS TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROJECT IS BEING DESIGNED AND EXECUTED WITH, UM, KIND OF THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN MIND FROM THEIR COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE WITH A MEETING WITH THEM THROUGHOUT THOSE MEETINGS CONTINUE, AND THEY WILL CONTINUE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DURATION OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR COMPLETION, UH, NEXT SUMMER, ABOUT 12 MONTHS FROM NOW.
SO A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS I WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
I'M MOVING ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE NOW WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS LISTED.
SO ONE OF THEM WAS ABOUT THE TICKET BOOTH, UH, WHICH IS ON THE CURRENT HILL, UH, BETWEEN THE, UH, ORIGINAL SCHOOL AND THE YELLOW JACKET STADIUM.
IT'S SHOWN HERE, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S AN OLDER STRUCTURE.
UM, IT HAS DETERIORATED SOME THE CONDITION, BUT, UM, THE CURRENT PHASE OF WORK IS NOT IMPACTING THE STRUCTURE.
UM, ALTHOUGH WE DO HAVE LONGTERM PLANS IN THE MASTER PLAN TO ULTIMATELY RENOVATE AND MODERNIZE THE STADIUM, THOSE WOULD NEED FURTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, AS WELL AS FROM THE HLC
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BEFORE ANY OF THE HISTORIC COMPONENTS WERE, UH, TOUCHED IF I CONTINUE TO THE NEXT SLIDE WITH JUST SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.UM, THE QUESTION ABOUT WORK FOR THE TRACKING FIELD.
AGAIN, THERE IS NOT A CURRENT WORK BEING DONE ON THE TRACK AND FIELD, ALTHOUGH, UH, OUR BOARD DID JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED UPDATE TO THE, UM, FACILITY MASTER PLAN FOR THE DISTRICT.
AND THAT UPDATE DID INCLUDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE USE OF YELLOW JACKET STADIUM.
UM, AGAIN, MANY OF THESE QUESTIONS ASK AS KIND OF SIMILAR, UH, QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT IN THE FUTURE, WE DO INTEND TO AT SOME POINT, UH, ONCE OUR, ONCE OUR BOARD CAN SCOPE AND FUND THOSE PROJECTS, UM, MODERNIZE OR RENOVATE THE STADIUM, UH, THERE'S CURRENTLY A SEATING CAPACITY OF AROUND 500 SEATS.
THE SMP DISCUSSES A NEED TO ADDRESS THAT FUTURE OF SEATING CAPACITY DEPENDING ON WHAT THE USES WILL BE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN DESIGNED.
IT'S KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL, UM, GUIDING LIGHT, IF YOU WILL, FOR US AS A DISTRICT, WE CALL IT OUR 25 YEAR PLAN FOR ALL OF OUR FACILITIES.
UH, BUT ANY OF THESE DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS WOULD INCLUDE COMMUNITY INPUT AS WELL AS HISTORIC CONSIDERATION.
UH, THE NEXT SLIDE JUST HAS A QUOTE FROM OUR OPERATIONS OFFICER, UM, BACK IN THE, UH, WHEN WE SPOKE TO TWO SUMMERS AGO, UM, THAT, THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST UNDERSCORES THAT WE ARE LARGELY NOT TOUCHING THE HISTORICAL JACKY STADIUM, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE, THERE'S A FIELD HOUSE BEING ADDED, UH, AS I PREVIOUSLY SHOWED FOR STUDENT USE, UM, WHEN THE STUDENTS OCCUPIED THE CAMPUS AND ABOUT A YEAR, WE'RE LEAVING MOST OF THE ELEMENTS OF YELLOW JACKET STADIUM ON TOUCHED.
AND I WILL PAUSE THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
UH, YOU, YOU, UM, I GUESS, REFER TO FUTURE PLANS, UM, TO RENOVATE AND MODERNIZE THIS STADIUM, UH, WILL THOSE FUTURE PLANS INCLUDE, UM, A, EITHER AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN OR PRESERVATION ARCHITECT ON YOUR TEAM TO IDENTIFY THE CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THE STADIUM THAT ARE, ARE IMPORTANT TO BE PRESERVED IN ANY MODERNIZATION, THOSE STRUCTURES THAT YOU HIGHLIGHTED ARE ALL ORIGINAL, UM, TO THE STADIUM AND WHILE IT HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER TIME.
UM, THERE'S STILL MANY FEATURES THAT, UM, REFLECT ITS USE AS A, UM, STADIUM DURING, UM, THE TIME OF, OF SEGREGATION.
AND I JUST, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO ENGAGE THE SERVICES OF AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN OR PRESERVATION ARCHITECT TO HELP GUIDE THOSE DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE.
UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE HEARD EXTENSIVELY DURING COMMUNITY INPUT IS THE HISTORIC NATURE OF THAT, UM, THAT STADIUM, AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL ANDERSON HILL.
AND SO THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT'S PRIORITY FOR US AS A DISTRICT.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK TO DESIGN THESE PROJECTS, WE HIRE A DESIGN TEAM, THAT'S TAILOR FIT FOR EACH PROJECT.
SO I CAN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THAT TEAM WOULD ENTAIL, BUT, UM, AS WE'VE SEEN IN SIMILAR PROJECTS WITH HISTORIC, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MOST RECENTLY BROUGHT BEFORE, Y'ALL A NUMBER OF HABS PACKAGES FOR STORE CAMPUSES THAT, THAT WE DEMOLISHED AND WENT HIRED UP AN ARCHITECT THAT WAS CERTIFIED AND ACCREDITED TO DO THE HABS PACKAGE.
SO YEAH, WHATEVER, WHATEVER IS REQUIRED TO, UM, BOTH ACCOMMODATE THAT DESIGN PROCESS AND COMMUNITY INPUT, AS WELL AS EXECUTING THAT PROJECT TO THE HISTORIC, UH, INTENSE IS SOMETHING WE ABSOLUTELY WOULD CONSIDER DOING AS A DISTRICT.
AND, AND I WOULD JUST, UM, I GUESS FOLLOW UP ON THAT TOO, THAT WE DEFINITELY WOULD WANT AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT CONVERSATION IN THE FUTURE.
UM, AS WELL, I, I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT.
UM, I, IF YOU COULD GO OVER AGAIN, THAT FIELD HOUSE, THERE WAS MENTION OF A NEW FIELD HOUSE, UM, GOING IN, UM, WHERE WILL THAT BE LOCATED, UM, IN RELATION TO THE EXISTING FIELD HOUSE? CERTAINLY I BELIEVE THAT IS SHOWN ON SLIDE THREE.
UM, ALTHOUGH NOT PERHAPS ANNOTATED SUPER, WELL, LET ME SEE IF I CAN POINT THIS TO YOU AT ALL.
SO IT'S SHOWN ON SLIDE THREE IN THE NORTHERN, UH, LEFT UPPER PLAN VIEW WITHIN THE CONSTRUCTION LIMITS.
IT SAYS PROPOSED BUILDING THERE.
SO IT SAYS IT'S SOMEWHAT ADJACENT TO ONE OF THE CURRENT STRUCTURES.
WE'RE CONSTRUCTING IT IN A VERY SIMILAR, UM, ARCHITECTURAL FASHION, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COMPONENTS OF THAT BUILDING.
AND IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A RESTROOM BUILDING, UH, FOR STUDENTS IT'S NOT MEANT FOR COMMUNITY USE, BUT IT'S INTENDED TO SUPPORT, UH, THE SCHOOL, UH, ONCE OPEN ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW.
UM, AND I KNOW YOU'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT I HAD, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE THERE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR AISD ON THIS PROJECT?
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OKAY.I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS, A BRIEFING AND AN UPDATE ON THE PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, I JUST ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH US AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR PLANS FOR THE STADIUM.
AND THANKS Y'ALL FOR THE TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT BRIAN FURE, I THINK, WAS ON THE LINE.
IF WE COULD JUST GET BACK VERY QUICKLY TO THAT.
UM, THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY FOR ITEM THREE, ITEM D THREE, BEFORE MOVING INTO THE, UM, PRESENTATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS FOR THE REST OF THE CASES.
UM, MR. SEAR, YOU WILL HAVE THAT THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON 55 12 SHALL WOULD IT'S CASE D THREE, MR. SIERRA, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? I GUESS HE MIGHT'VE HUNG UP.
THAT CASE, I GUESS WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO STAFF PRESENTATIONS ON THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. YES.
[A1. C14H-2020-0069 – Rogers Washington Holy Cross Historic District – Discussion Roughly bounded by: E. 21st Street on the north, Cedar Avenue on the east, E. Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard on the south, and Chestnut Avenue (to 20th Street) on the west. Council District 1 Applicant: Rogers Washington Holy Cross Historic District Application City Staff: Cara Bertron, Historic Preservation Office, 974-6454 Staff Recommendation: Recommend historic district zoning. ]
IS THE FIRST ITEM.THE FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM IS THE ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS, HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THAT'S ITEM
UM, I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE BRIEF.
I THINK Y'ALL HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE PROCESS FOR PUTTING THE APPLICATION TOGETHER.
I KNOW A LOT ABOUT THE RICH HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I'LL JUST DO A QUICK SUMMARY.
UM, AS WE'VE MY, UM, COLLEAGUE ELIZABETH WILL PULL UP THE PRESENTATION.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG ON FROM BETWEEN THE PHONE AND THE VIDEO.
SO, UM, I'M JUST GOING TO TRUST THAT Y'ALL ARE SEEING WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SO THE ROGERS, WASHINGTON, HOLY CRAP, THE PROPOSED ROGERS WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS HISTORIC DISTRICT IS THE SECOND DISTRICT DISTRICT APPLICATION IN EAST AUSTIN.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN HISTORICAL RESOURCE SURVEY AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT.
IT IS THE FIRST PROPOSED HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT HAS REACHED YALL.
THAT'S IN A HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AFRICAN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH GREAT SIGNIFICANCE.
AS YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND SPOKE THIS EVENING, YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP THAT THE PROPOSED DISTRICT BEGINS AT THE, UM, CORNER OF CHESTNUT AND MLK AND INCLUDES 57 PROPERTIES OF WHICH 47 OR 82% ARE CONTRIBUTING.
CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES WERE CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN 1953 AND 1969, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY SMALL WINDOW IN THE OTHER.
OUR OTHER COMPARED TO OUR OTHER HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
THE DISTRICT IS ENTIRELY RESIDENTIAL.
MOST HOUSES ARE ONE STORE WITH A COUPLE OF EXCEPTIONS.
YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT MOST HOUSES ARE DESIGNED IN THE RANCH STYLE THAT WE HAVE.
THERE ARE A FEW MINIMAL TRADITIONAL HOUSES, BUT THIS IS A PRETTY, THESE ARE PRETTY TYPICAL, UM, HOMES IN THE DISTRICT.
NEXT SLIDE, A FEW PEOPLE MENTIONED THE DISTRICT'S ASSOCIATIONS WITH JOHN CHASE, WHO IS THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN ARCHITECT GRADUATE FROM UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL AND THE FIRST PERSON TO DO A NUMBER OF THINGS.
ONE OF THE MANY TRAILBLAZERS THAT'S WHO'S ASSOCIATED WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THOSE HOUSES ARE, ARE SHOWN HERE.
HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDINGS IN THE PROPOSED DISTRICT OR SIMPLER THE DISTRICT IS AN INTACT EXAMPLE OF A MID CENTURY NEIGHBORHOOD, REMARKABLY INTACT.
THERE ARE SOME NEW NEW HOUSES THAT YOU HEARD FOLKS TALK ABOUT, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, IT HAS RETAINED A VERY HIGH DEGREE OF INTEGRITY, NEXT SLIDE.
BUT AS YOU HEARD AMPLY FROM THE FOLKS WHO SPOKE, THE BIGGEST REASON FOR THE DISTRICT'S SIGNIFICANCE IS ITS RESIDENTS.
THIS IS A LIST OF, THIS IS A PERSONAL LIST OF PAST RESIDENTS, AND IT SHOWS SOME NAMES YOU'LL RECOGNIZE FROM NEW STORIES AND NAMES OF RECOGNIZE SOME BUILDINGS LIKE THE WILLIE KIRK BRANCH LIBRARY.
THEY REPRESENT COMMUNITY LEADERS, EDUCATIONAL LEADERS, BUSINESS LEADERS, AND TRAILBLAZERS IN SO MANY ASPECTS OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY.
AND IN AUSTIN AS A WHOLE, THESE, THESE, UH, THE FOLKS WHOSE NAMES ARE ON THIS LIST AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE NEED A REAL DIFFERENCE, UM,
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IN THE CITY, THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPLICATION.SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH IN DETAIL, BUT THIS IS IN SHORT, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE LIST OF PEOPLE EACH WITH AN INCREDIBLE STORY.
AND THERE ARE MORE STORIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, YEAH, I, I USED TO, IT WAS, AS MR BLACKER SAID, IT WAS WONDERFUL TO HEAR FIRSTHAND THE STORIES OF FOLKS WHO GREW UP IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD OR MOVED TO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MANY OF WHOM WERE THE CHILDREN OF THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION AND MAINTAIN THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
NEXT SLIDE, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE SPEAKERS, THIS, UH, APPLICATION WAS PUT TOGETHER THROUGH A COMMUNITY LED PROCESS.
THE, UM, THE INITIAL PROCESS ACTUALLY BEGAN IN 2016.
I HAD, I WASN'T, UM, WHEN I PUT THIS SLIDE TOGETHER, I DIDN'T HAVE THE COMPLETE INFORMATION.
UM, AS SPEAKER SAID, THE APPLICATION WAS INCLUDED AS AN UPDATE ON ALL ON ALL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, MEETING AGENDAS, UM, EACH MONTH, AND IT WAS DISTRIBUTED DOOR TO DOOR.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO DID OUTREACH AT NUMEROUS COMMUNITY EVENTS OVER A FEW YEARS, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
UM, IN ADDITION, THE CITY DID SEND OUT A MAILING.
UM, IN SPRING OF 2019, WE HELD A COMMUNITY DESIGN STANDARDS WORKSHOP AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN COMMITTEE, UH, INTEGRATED INPUT ON THE DESIGN STANDARDS AND THE WAYS THAT YOU HEARD FROM THE, FROM THE SPEAKERS.
SO IT WAS NOT A PERFECT PROCESS, BUT IT WAS A VERY, THE INCLUSION WAS REALLY PRIORITIZED.
AND, UM, IT WAS, UH, AN INCLUSION WITH PROTOTYPE AND IT WAS CERTAINLY PAINSTAKING.
UM, AND THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESIGN COMMITTEE, UM, DID A LOT OF WORK TO INTEGRATE FEEDBACK BASED ON THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS.
NEXT SLIDE, THE PROPOSED DISTRICT MEETS THE CITY'S STANDARD FOR CONTRIBUTING BUILDINGS.
AS I MENTIONED, 82% OF THE BUILDINGS ARE CONTRIBUTING, WHICH IS A VERY HIGH PROPORTION.
AND IT HAS THE SUPPORT OF THE OWNERS OF 53% OF THE LAND AREA WITHIN THE DISTRICT.
YOU CAN SEE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FOLKS WHO IN THAT THAT'S OF ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF FOLKS WHO DID RETURN BALLOTS OR ARE IN FAVOR OF THE DISTRICT, HAS STAFF IS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE DISTRICT.
WE KNOW IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG PROCESS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS GONE THROUGH.
UM, HAS DENOTED A NUMBER OF PROCEDURAL HURDLES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THAT HAVE NOT, UH, I'VE NOT WORKED TITLED THE KINKS YET.
UM, BUT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S COMMITMENT TO MOVING FORWARD, THE COMMITMENT TO PRESERVING THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, UM, YEAH, WE'RE EXCITED TO SUPPORT THIS.
THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE SHOWS, THE BOUNDARIES AGAIN, AND THERE'S STUFF.
I DIDN'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OR SORRY.
DID COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR MS.
I I'M, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS APPLICATION, BUT I WANTED TO, UM, ASK A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ONE IS ON THE HOUSE AT 25 OH ONE WEBER AVENUE AVENUE LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A TWO STORY REAR ADDITION.
I WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT WAS ORIGINAL OR IF IT WAS BUILT IN THE HISTORIC PERIOD.
IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ORIGINAL TO BE THE DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS RECOMMENDED AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY, I GUESS IT'S SET SO FAR BACK.
YEAH, IT WAS HIGHLY VISIBLE IN THE PACKET.
UM, I ALSO WANTED TO THE ORIGINAL MESSAGING OF THE HOUSE.
I WANTED TO KNOW WHY YOU LISTED, UM, WHY 1902 MAPLE WAS LISTED.
I DIDN'T THINK IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING.
WE COUNT ALL THE PROPERTIES FOR, FOR THE PERCENTAGE OF CONTRIBUTING AND, AND RATHER THAN COUNT THE VACANT LOT AS CONTRIBUTING, WE COME TO
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DO IT AS NON-CONTRIBUTING, I THINK IT SHOULD BE COUNTED OR NOT COUNTED AT ALL.I THINK PARTICULARLY WHEN IT GOES BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD BE COUNTED IN THE LAND AREA, JUST BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS PART OF A LAND AREA OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT.
I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT.
UM, IN 1905 CHESTNUT IT'S LISTED AS A NON-CONTRIBUTING DID EDGE.
IT'S BUILT IN 1972 WHEN IT WAS FIRST, UM, GIVEN AS NON-CONTRIBUTING, THAT WAS IN THE 2016 SURVEY.
AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS SIX OR SEVEN YEARS OUT.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW IF WE COULD MAKE THAT CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN THE DISTRICT.
I'M PULLING UP THE APPLICATION RIGHT NOW.
EXCUSE ME, JUST TO SEE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE THAT WAS OUTLINED, THE RECOMMENDED PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE GOES UNTIL 1970.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT THE APPLICANT TEAM WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO SEE IF IT MADE SENSE TO EXTEND THAT PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE.
THE COMMISSION CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FORWARD WITH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THAT PROPERTY BE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING, BUT IT, IT WOULD BE A DECISION MADE BY EITHER THE APPLICANT TEAM OR, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY THE COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PROPERTY BE CONTRIBUTING THE OTHER, UM, NON-CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES THAT ARE NON-CONTRIBUTING DUE TO AGE ARE PRIMARILY VERY RECENT PROPERTIES.
THIS ONE IS IN KEEPING WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I THINK WE SHOULD, UM, WE SHOULD GIVE SOME LEEWAY NATIONAL REGISTER GIVES LEEWAY, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER THIS AS A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
MR. MEYERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO FORMAT INTO A MOTION FOR THIS CASE? YES, I WOULD.
I I'D LIKE TO MOVE, UH, APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT 1905 CHESTNUT, UM, BE A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER 1902 MAPLE NEITHER CONTRIBUTING NOR NON-CONTRIBUTING IT'S MERELY A, THEY DON'T WANT IT AT THIS TIME.
SECOND ON COMMISSIONER MEYER'S MOTION.
I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MYERS A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HAIM STUFF.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE? I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION TO STAFF, BUT, UH, UH, I THINK IT'S MORE GENERAL IN NATURE.
YOU'RE ARE WE STILL, UH, HAVING QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ARE WE JUST MOVING IN GENERAL DISCUSSION? I BELIEVE WE CAN HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AS WELL.
I HAVE JUST A COUPLE, UM, COMMENTS I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, I THINK TO THE INDIVIDUAL AT 2011, MAPLE WHO SPOKE, UH, AT POSE TO IT, UM, I WOULD WANT TO KNOW FROM STAFF WHY THE 2000 BLOCK OF CHESTNUT IS EXCLUDED FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE A PRETTY NICE CLEAN SQUARE IF IT WERE NOT FOR THAT.
AND THEN WE MAKE THIS CARVE OUT AND IT, UH, DOESN'T SEEM SO UNREASONABLE TO MAKE ONE MORE.
SO I THINK THAT I'D LIKE STAFF TO EXPLAIN HOW WE CAME UP WITH THE DIMENSIONS OF THE CURRENT DISTRICT.
SHOULD THE DISTRICT IS A, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THAT ADDRESS IS 1911 CHESTNUT.
UM, THE, THE, THE SPEAKER WITH POST OPPOSED SPEAKER OWNS, I THOUGHT IT WAS 2011 MAPLE.
THIS IS TAYLOR MODALITY, OPPOSED SPEAKER.
THE ADDRESS IS TWO ZERO ONE ONE MAPLE AVENUE.
UM, THE PROPOSED DISTRICT IS A SUBSET OF THE RECOMMENDED ROUTE.
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HISTORIC DISTRICT RECOMMENDED BY THE 2016 EAST AUSTIN SURVEY.THE BOUNDARIES WERE PROPOSED BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AS PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND ARE BASED ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE OR IS THERE SOMEONE IN THE DESIGN COMMITTEE WHO WOULD, WHO COULD SPEAK TO THAT THE WAY THE BOUNDARIES WERE DRAWN? YES.
THIS IS A FRIEND OF MY LEE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION, UH, 2011, UH, WAS I'M SORRY, 2019 MAPLE AVENUE.
2011 MAPLE AVENUE WAS PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION, UH, BECAUSE IN FACT, IN SEPTEMBER, 2019, THE, THE FORMER OWNER, ANY MAY CITY, UH, HONORED, AND THEY HAD A DAY IN, OR OF HER 100 YEARS, BIRTHDAY, AND SHE JUST RECENTLY PASSED, BUT NOT ONLY WAS SHE THE OLDEST RESIDENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT HER HUSBAND BUILT MANY OF THE HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO IT DOES HAVE HIS STORY, UM, SIGNIFICANCE MAN, MY, YEAH, MY QUESTION IS NOT SO MUCH ABOUT 2011 MAPLE AS IT IS ABOUT 2001 CHESTNUT THROUGH 2011 CHESTNUT AND WHY THOSE PROPERTIES WERE EXCLUDED AND HOW THAT SORT OF THEN IN TURN MIGHT AFFECT THE RESIDENT AT 2011.
AND IF HE CAN HAVE SOME SORT OF APPEALS PROCESS.
SO REALLY MY QUESTION IS MORE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE 2000 BLOCK OF CHESTNUT AND WHY IT'S CURRENTLY EXCLUDED FROM THE DISTRICT.
THIS IS JEN, CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? UM, SO THIS IS GENMEGA.
LISA WAS ONE OF THE FOLKS ON THE DESIGN COMMITTEE, UM, IS 2011 CHESTNUT.
IF YOU LOOK ACROSS IS A NEW BUILD.
UM, AND THAT ACTUALLY IS SOMEBODY WHO THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY DID MEET BOTH WITH US AND WITH BLACK LAND, SINCE THAT ADDRESS WAS SORT OF ON THE CUSP, LIKE IT KIND OF ON THE EDGE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT THAT CONSTRUCTION.
UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S, UM, THEY WORKED OUT A PLAN FOR THAT BUILDING.
SO THAT, UH, THAT WAS AGREEABLE, I THINK, TO BOTH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, JUST AS A MATTER OF BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UM, AND PUTTING IN THE NEW BUILDS, BUT THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO DO SO, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY, IT IS A TWO STORY PROPERTY, UM, VERY MUCH NOT IN THE STYLE OF THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO JUST DOESN'T, UM, WE WERE THINKING OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING CONTINUOUS UP TO A STREET AND KNOWING THAT THAT CORNER PROPERTY AT 2011 CHESTNUT WAS NOT GOING TO BE CONTRIBUTING.
UM, AND THERE'S, UH, SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THEIR DOWN THE STREET AS WELL.
UM, WE STOPPED AT THE HOUSES THAT WE KNEW WERE CONTRIBUTING AND HAD SIGNIFICANT HISTORY.
SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT STRETCH OF CHESTNUT, UM, AM I ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE PURCHASING PROCESS FOR THE 2011 MAPLE APPS? I THINK IT MADE SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THE PREVIOUS, THE, I GUESS, CHILDREN OR THE PREVIOUS OWNERS VIEW OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WELL, SO THAT WHEN THE, WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS, UH, LISTED FOR SALE, UH, SAYING THE PREVIOUS OWNER PREVIOUSLY PASSED, UM, IT WAS A TRUST THAT I GUESS WAS FOR THE BENEFIT, HER CHILDREN AND HER CHILDREN, I GUESS, HAD THE PURSUANT TO THE TRUST DOCUMENT, A RIGHT OF FIRST OFFER TO PURCHASE THE HOME.
AND NONE OF THEM WERE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THE HOME.
UH, AND THEY ALSO LISTED THE PROPERTY AS A TEAR DOWN AND A NLS LISTING.
UM, MY WIFE AND I HAVE, UH, SHE WASN'T CHOSEN TO MAKE IT AT LEAST HABITABLE FOR HABITABLE FOR OURSELVES AND IN THE IMMEDIACY.
UM, BUT IT, YOU KNOW, HER, THE OWNER'S OWN CHILDREN, UM, DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO PRESERVE THE PROPERTY OF HER FOR HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND WE'RE MARKETING IT AS A TEAR DOWN.
AND SO I GUESS I'M JUST FOR ME, IT'S JUST SEEING ALMOST LIKE A, JUST A ONE 80, A LITTLE BIT ON JUST, UH, THE VIEW OF THE HOUSE.
AND, AND AGAIN, MY, MY OPPOSITION IS NOT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT.
MY OPPOSITION IS JUST TO POTENTIALLY JUST CARVING OUT OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL HOME.
BUT AGAIN, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE CHILDREN OF THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD NO ISSUES WITH POTENTIALLY, UM, TEARING DOWN, DOWN THE HOME.
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WE SAT, COULD BE SOMEWHAT CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROPERTY IS VIEWED FROM A HISTORICAL, UH, FRAMEWORK.I THINK THAT, UH, THE, THE CARVING OUT OF THE CORNER FROM 2001 TO 2011, I GUESS I HEARD A STORY ABOUT 2011 JUST NOW, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I CAUGHT THE REST OF THE FIVE PROPERTIES THERE, UM, THAT THE OWNER OF 2011 WAS ABLE TO STRIKE A DEAL AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME.
I THINK THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT 2011 MAPLE ISN'T ABLE TO DO THE SAME.
I THINK THAT THE CASE FOR THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT IS SO STRONG THAT IT IT'S, IT'S A MOOT POINT, BUT I THINK THAT WEEKENDS, I THINK THAT THERE, I DON'T KNOW.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT POINT.
MAY I JUST CLARIFY, BECAUSE I THINK I'VE MUDDIED THE WATERS A LITTLE BIT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT 2011 CHESTNUT, THAT, THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BUILD HAPPENED BEFORE THIS PROCESS, THAT HOUSE WAS BUILT BEFORE WE STARTED EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WHEN WE WENT TO CREATE THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE NOTED THAT BOTH 2005 CHESTNUT AND 2011 CHESTNUT, UM, WHERE NEW BUILDS IN 2005 IS, UM, VERY MODERN, UM, NEW BUILD.
AND SO IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE THAT.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONTINUOUS CONTIGUOUS STRETCH OF CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES ON THAT CHUNK OF CHESTNUT, WHICH IS, UH, MORE WITH A THOUGHT PROCESS.
WAS THERE, DOES THAT CLARIFY, UM, THAT, UH, 2000 BLOCK OF CHESTNUT FOR EACH COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, IT SOUNDS LIKE THESE PROPERTIES BE NON-CONTRIBUTING AND SO THEY FORMED A BOUNDARY TO EXCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT CONTRIBUTING.
I THINK THE CASE FOR THIS DISTRICT IS VERY, VERY STRONG.
I THINK THAT CARVING OUT THAT CORNER, WEEKENDS IT, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S PROBABLY IRRELEVANT COMMISSIONER MYERS NATIONAL REGISTER PROTOCOL, WHICH WE FOLLOW AS A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT RECOMMENDS TAKING THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES AND NOT GERRYMANDERING THE LINE.
WHAT WE HAVE OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES ARE SOME MODERN CONSTRUCTION.
THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY.
AND IT BACKS UP THE REAR, CARVING IT OUT WOULD BE LIKE CHERRY PICKING AND THAT'S, UM, NOT RECOMMENDED PRACTICE.
AND I WANTED TO NOTE THAT THE SECTION OUT AND CHESTNUT IS ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT WITH A CITY BLOCK, EVEN THOUGH 20TH STREETS BROKEN THERE.
SO IT KINDA, IT KINDA MAKES SENSE BEING AN ENTIRE BLOCK FACE REMOVED, WHEREAS 2011 MAPLE WOOD WAS REALLY START NICKING INTO IT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE AN AD.
I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION.
I DIDN'T WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE ENTIRE TEAM FOR THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE EXCEPTIONALLY WELL-WRITTEN.
THERE WAS CLEARLY A LOT OF THOUGHT PUT INTO IT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I DON'T REALLY SUPPORT FROM MOVING 2011, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO FLEXIBLE TO ALLOW FOR CHANGE WHILE RETAINING THE CHARACTER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR EXPANSION AND DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY WITHOUT LOSING THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR LOT.
UH, BUT, BUT OVERALL, THIS IS AN AMAZING DISTRICT.
UM, I'M AN ENTHUSIASTIC TO SUPPORT IT.
AND AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF REAL WORLD SCENARIOS AND THE DESIGN STANDARDS SHOW THE LEVEL OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO THEM.
AND THEY'RE CLEAR, THEY'RE DETAILED, THEY'RE SPECIFIC, THEY'RE FLEXIBLE, BUT THEY STRIKE A PERFECT BALANCE BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL AND RETENTION OF HISTORIC FABRIC AND NOT A STUPID BIG BRAVO TO THE TEAM THAT PUT THEM TOGETHER.
DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YES.
IT MAY BE ALSO ADDRESSED BY THE, UH, BY THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT LEVEL OF OUTREACH HE MAY HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH THE WILLIE CHAPEL, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM CHESTNUT.
AND EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE, UH, EXACTLY REPRESENTING SOME OF THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AS A HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN CHURCH, UH, THERE ARE SEVERAL ITEMS AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT MAKE IT HARDER FOR A PROPERTY LIKE THAT TO BE PRESERVED OR TO HAVE THE PROTECTIONS OF OUR PROGRAM.
AND SO I WAS WONDERING IF THAT WAS JUST ALREADY CATEGORICALLY NOT DISCUSSED OR WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN OUTREACH TO THAT CONGREGATION AND WHETHER THERE WOULD BE SOME INTEREST IN THEIR PART OR AT LEAST TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE ADJACENT HISTORIC DISTRICT
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COMMISSIONER.UM, BUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, WAS, UM, THE CHESTNUT SOUTH SIDE AND NOT THE CHESTNUT NORTH SIDE.
UH, WE WERE BUMPING INTO THE CHESTNUT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND SO WE, WE DID NOT WANT TO OVERSTEP OUR BOUNDARIES.
BUT IF, IF THERE HAVE BEEN HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS WITH THE FAMILIES OR MEMBERS, I I'D STILL ENCOURAGE THESE CONVERSATIONS.
CAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME OF THESE HISTORIC CHURCHES THERE.
THEY'RE VERY THREATENED ALL ACROSS EAST AUSTIN.
UH, YES, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT.
AND, AND, UH, WE HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS WITH THE CHAPEL CHURCH AS WELL.
THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE.
I HAVE LIKE FOUR COMMENTS THAT ARE OTHER ONE IS SPEAKING TO THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, I THINK THAT I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COOK, UH, 99.9%.
UM, I WAS FRUSTRATED TO SEE, ALTHOUGH IT'S THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE TRUTH, THAT A LACK OF SIDEWALKS IS A, IS CONSIDERED A PREDOMINANT FEATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND TODAY IS, UH, 30 YEARS PLUS ONE DAY FROM THE ENACTMENT OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.
AND I THINK THAT IN THESE LAST 30 YEARS, WE FOUND THAT UNIVERSAL DESIGN IS BENEFICIAL TO ALL, AND THAT IS INCLUSIONARY THAT ARISES AND LIFTS ALL BOATS THAT NEED TO GET AROUND IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, IN A WHEELCHAIR.
UM, THEY FOUGHT HARD FOR THOSE OF US WHO USE STROLLERS FOR APPRECIATE THAT FIGHT.
SO IF YOU READ DOWN FURTHER IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS, IT DOES ACKNOWLEDGE THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW SIDEWALKS AND GIVES GUIDANCE ON HOW TO DO THAT.
SO I APPRECIATE A FOLLOWUP LATER ON IN THE DESIGN STANDARDS WITH RESPECT TO NEW SIDEWALKS BEING INSTALLED IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THE LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT IS I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I HEARD TALK OF AFFORDABILITY A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE SPEAKER'S COMMENTS, BUT IT JUST, I FEEL LIKE THE GOALS OF PRESERVATION AND AFFORDABILITY ARE NOT CONGRUENT AND NOT WELL ALIGNED.
I THINK THAT THE MOST ELEMENTAL AND PURE MOTIVATIONS OF EACH PROBABLY ARE, ARE EXTREMELY SIMILAR, BUT ALONG THE WAY, THE MEANS AND METHODS FOR THOSE TWO THINGS DIVERGE.
AND WE ACTUALLY, WHEN WE HAVE A PROPERTY THAT WE, OR, OR A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE DESIGNATED OFFICIALLY HISTORIC, WE'RE SAYING THAT IT'S VALUE TO US AS A COMMUNITY TRANSCENDS WHAT A DEVELOPER WOULD CONSIDER HIGHEST AND BEST USE, AND THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SUBSIDIZE, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TAX ABATEMENTS, UH, WHAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE AN ONEROUS UP KEEP OF A PROPERTY THAT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED TO ITS HISTORIC STANDARDS? I THINK THAT WE, WE GET TO PRESERVE BUILDINGS AND WE GET TO PRESERVE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOPEFULLY ALONG THE WAY WE TAKE THE CULTURE, BUT I THINK THE CULTURE IS ALWAYS GOING TO GO WITH THE PEOPLE.
AND I'M HAPPY TO HEAR FROM ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL HERE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, AND GIVEN ITS CULTURE AND ITS DIVERSITY, BUT THE POWERS, THE, THE FORCES THAT ARE, UH, WORKING TO DIMINISH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S CULTURE AND DIVERSITY ARE, ARE, THEY'RE NOT BEING PUT AT BAY BY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE TODAY.
MORE HAS TO BE DONE ON LARGER AND SMALLER SCALES EVERYWHERE.
UM, AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT IN SOME WAYS I HOPE WE CAN JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND THE LIMITATIONS OF IT.
AND THERE'S MORE TO BE DONE ELSEWHERE, PLEASE.
NO, THIS IS CHARACTER TURN, AND I AGREE THAT MORE SHOULD BE DONE.
AND I HOPE THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT THE COMMISSION CAN HAVE.
I DID WANT TO NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF AFFORDABILITY AND PRESERVATION, THERE'VE BEEN NUMEROUS STUDIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE SHOWN THAT PROPERTIES WITHIN HISTORIC DISTRICTS DO APPRECIATE IT HIGHER RATES THAN THOSE OUTSIDE HISTORIC DISTRICTS.
HOWEVER, AT THIS MOMENT IN AUSTIN'S HISTORY, IN OUR REAL
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ESTATE MARKET, THE TRAJECTORY OF THE REAL ESTATE MARKET, HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS A TOOL FOR AFFORDABILITY.I BELIEVE, UM, THERE IN TERMS OF PRESERVING OLDER, SMALLER HOUSES, THAT THAT JUST, UM, WILL NOT NECESSARILY SUCH AS MUCH ON THE MARKET.
UM, I WANTED, I'D LOVE TO PROVIDE A SHORT BRIEFING AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING I CAN PROVIDE IN WRITING OR IN A PRESENTATION FOR A FUTURE MEETING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN AUSTIN, DR.
MICHAEL
AND HE'S ACTUALLY FOUND THAT HISTORIC DISTRICTS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL HAVE MORE THAN TWO TIMES THE NUMBER OF RENTAL HOUSING UNITS THAT ARE AFFORDABLE AT 16, 80% MEDIAN INCOME.
AND THAT'S THAT PROPORTIONALLY OF COURSE, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS FINDING THAT THAT SURPRISED HIM AND, AND HE, HE SLICED THE DATA A NUMBER OF WAYS.
UM, BUT I WOULD BE, I'D BE GLAD TO SPEAK MORE WITH YOU ABOUT THAT OR MORE WITH THE COMMISSION ABOUT THAT, BUT IT'S NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE, ARE GOING TO BE FANCIER AND MORE EXPENSIVE HOUSES.
UM, SO I THINK IT IS A CONVERSATION THAT'S WORTH HAVING IN MORE DETAIL.
UH, AND I HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THERE IT'S THREADING A NEEDLE IN SOME WAYS IN THE SHORT TERM AT THIS MOMENT IN AUSTIN, I THINK IT IS A TOOL FOR AFFORDABILITY.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT HOW IT CAN BE A TOOL FOR AFFORDABILITY IN THE LONG TERM.
UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE OF THAT INFORMATION ON, UM, DR.
I AGREE THAT IT CAN BE A SHORT TERM SOLUTION.
I THINK LONGTERM, THE HOUSING THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE HAPPENS AT THE MARGINS AND HAS A HIGHER CARBON FOOTPRINT.
IT HAS A HIGHER INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS AND OFTEN ENDS UP BEING WHERE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES GET PUSHED TO.
UM, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT FOREVER LATER.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON.
UM, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE? I'LL SAY JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.
I'M, I GUESS I'M REALLY NOT HAPPY WITH SECTION FIVE OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS ON SPECIFICALLY THE ADDITIONS IN THE, THE LIMITATIONS ON THE USE.
I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL IN THE LONG RUN TO THIS, UH, DISTRICT.
UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS JUST YET, BUT I THINK THIS IS, UH, SEEING THE FIVE FOOT CONNECTOR IN THE SETBACK.
I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT, BUT I THINK IT IS GOING TO CAUSE A LOT LESS DESIRABILITY IN THAT AREA FOR PEOPLE WHO DO WANT TO EXPAND THEIR HOMES, UH, FROM HOMES THAT MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENT IN SIZE FOR, FOR GROWING FAMILIES.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT FOR THE RECORD.
UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PACKAGE AND I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK, HOW MUCH TIME AND ENERGY GOES INTO LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT OUTREACH ALONE IS EXCEPTIONAL.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MYERS.
I THINK, UM, AS AN ORDER OF BUSINESS, WE ALSO WILL NEED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING MR. MEYERS, AND YOU AMEND YOUR, ARE YOU AMENABLE TO AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO INCLUDE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, I AM.
MR. HINDSIGHT, ARE YOU ALSO AMENABLE TO THAT? YES, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE HOLY CROSS, UH, HISTORIC DISTRICT ZONING, UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A 10 IN FAVOR, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
THEN THE, A VOTE PASSES TEND TO ZERO.
STEP OFF THE DYES FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
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LOOKS LIKE WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT CASE,[B2. C14H-2008-0016 – Offered for consent approval Davis-Sibley House, 2210 Windsor Road Council District 9 Proposal: Construct additions and a carport to the rear of the house; restore damaged and deteriorated architectural features, replace non-historic metal windows with wood windows, install new windows, modify the garage door opening. Applicant: Tim Cuppett, architect City Staff: Steve Sadowsky, Historic Preservation Office, 974-6454 Committee Recommendation: Retain the feeling of open spaces, minimize the presence of the carport, provide additional drawings and perspectives. Staff Recommendation: Approve the plans.]
WHICH IS THE DAVIS SIBLEY HOUSE AT 1210 WINDSOR ROAD.COMMISSIONERS AT STATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE.
UH, THIS IS A CASE FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED ONCE BY THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS REVIEW COMMITTEE WHO MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT THEN TOOK THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO HEART AND REVISED PLANS.
THIS HOUSE IS, IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HOUSES IN THE CITY AND WAS HOME TO A WOMAN WHO CONTRIBUTED GREATLY TO THE CULTURAL LIFE OF THE CITY.
UH, IT IS, UH, IT HAS, UH, PRINTED ON BOTH WINDSOR ROAD AND IN THE BACK ON PEAS ROAD.
NOW THE PROJECT HERE INVOLVES A LOT OF RESTORATION OF THE HOUSE, BUT IT ALSO INVOLVES SOME ADDITIONS.
THERE IS AN ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, UH, THAT IS MORE MODERN THAN THE, UH, THE, THE TRADITIONAL ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOUSE.
THAT ADDITION IS GOING TO INVOLVE THE CLOSURE OF WHAT IS NOW AN EXTERIOR LOGIA ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE, ON THE BACK.
UH, THE SECOND BIG ADDITION TO THE HOUSE IS THAT OF A CARPORT ON THE PEAS ROAD, ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
AND THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS REDUCED THE SIZE AND THE PRESENCE OF THAT CARPORT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
SO STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PROPERTY, THE PROPOSAL, AND FOUND THAT IT MEETS THE APPLICABLE STANDARDS SET OUT FOR THE COMMISSION, THEN THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS PROPOSED.
THANK YOU, MR. SEDOWSKY, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? SO WE CAN START DISCUSSION.
I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS PROPOSED.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? ONE SECOND.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE? I JUST WANTED TO NOTE IN THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE, THAT THERE WAS SOME DISAGREEMENT OVER THE LEVEL OF APPLICATION, THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON ON THIS PROPERTY.
IT WAS KIND OF HARD TO KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON.
I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF PROGRAM CHALLENGES WITH THIS, BUT BY AND LARGE, THE ARCHITECT REALLY BALANCED THE DESIRES OF THE OWNER WITH THE BEST INTEREST OF THE HOUSE, MAKING RESTORATIONS TO SOMETHING MORE COMPATIBLE WERE EITHER DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR OR NOT ORIGINAL.
THERE IS AN ADDITION IN THE BACK, WHICH DOES IMPACT THE SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS, BUT IT WAS DONE SENSITIVELY AND SET OFF SO THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE IS VISIBLE.
I DIDN'T SEE MUCH, OH, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON.
I DIDN'T SEE MUCH ACTUAL LOSS OF HISTORIC FABRIC AND ANY CHANGES THAT MAY IMPACT THE REAR ARE REVERSIBLE.
AND ALTHOUGH THIS DOES HAVE A KIND OF TWO FACADES PRIMARY FACADE IS, IS VERY WELL MAINTAINED.
AND, UH, I THINK THE REAR FACADE BECAUSE OF THE WALL IS REALLY SECONDARY.
AND, UH, AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF RESTORATION GOING ON AT HIS PROPERTY.
UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BALANCE ANY, ANY CONCERNS ABOUT SPATIAL RELATIONSHIPS TO GET THE ADDITIONS THAT ARE FULLY REVERSIBLE WITHOUT IMPACTING HISTORIC FABRIC.
MR. MYERS, I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.
UM, I THINK THE ENCLOSURE OF THE
UM, THE NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY OF ITS STYLE AND THE ORIGINAL LAYOUT ARE IT'S SHOULD HAVE A COURTYARD EFFECT IN THE ENCLOSURE OF THE LOGO.
UM, ALSO, UM, THE REAR, THE SIDE ELEVATION, UM, IS AN IMPORTANT ELEVATION.
UH, IT'S DOESN'T JUST HAVE ONE FACE.
IT HAS TWO FACES TO THE PUBLIC VIEW.
I WAS, UM, CONTACTED BY TWO LONGTERM PRESERVATION ADVOCATES IN AUSTIN, ONE WHO LIVES IN THE DISTRICT AND ONE WHO'S AN ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIAN AND THEY SAID, THIS SHOULDN'T BE DONE TO A LANDMARK.
IT'S NOT, IF IT WERE JUST A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE MIGHT NOT BE CONCERNED WITH THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY,
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BUT THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE SIDE STREET.AND I THINK WHEN, UM, WHEN MR. CUP, IT SAID THAT 80% OF THIS IS RESTORATION, I THINK I'M A LANDMARK, MAYBE 95% SHOULD BE A RESTORATION.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MYERS.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? I TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MYERS.
UM, I DO FEEL LIKE THE CARPORT ON THE, THE REAR ADDITION DOES, UH, DISRUPT THE, THAT LANDSCAPE AND THAT COURTYARD IN THAT AREA.
UM, AS WELL AS THE ENCLOSURE OF THE LOWE'S.
I, I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION, MR. MEYERS.
I TOO THINK THE CARPORT WILL BE VISIBLE AND IT REALLY DISRUPTS THE, THE INTENT OF THAT COURTYARD SPACE.
IF THERE IS NO MORE DISCUSSION, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
PLEASE VOTE BY RAISING YOUR HAND.
WE HAVE THREE THOSE IN FAVOR ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED WE HAVE FOUR OPPOSED THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS.
IS THERE AN ALTERNATE MOTION? LET ME ASK IF THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CARPORT AND WHAT, WHERE IT COMES FROM.
UH, I THINK THERE ARE REALLY TWO ISSUES HERE IN THE BACK.
UM, PART OF THE REASON I VOTED FOR THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS I STILL DO BELIEVE IS, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, UM, HAS MENTIONED THAT THE, THE WINDSOR, UH, ELEVATION IS, UH, THE PRIMARY AND SOME MODIFICATION IN THE BACK BEHIND THE WALL.
I COULD, I COULD SEE GIVING UP ON THAT, BUT IF, IF, IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, UH, I THINK THAT THE CAR PORT IS ONE, THE ENCLOSURE OF THE LOGIA IS THE OTHER, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION PROGRAMMATICALLY ABOUT, UH, YOU ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CAR PORT GOT SMALLER.
IS IT A, IS IT A MUST HAVE, UH, THE LOGIA ENCLOSURE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS SUBJECT TO FURTHER DISCUSSION? UM, I THINK WE COULD, I COULD SEE MAKING A MODIFICATION TO SAY REMOVE THE CARPORT, BUT EXCEPT ALL THE REST OF THAT, INCLUDING THE LOGIA ENCLOSURE, BUT I'D WANT TO HAVE SOME SENSE THAT THE OWNER, UH, WOULD BE ABLE TO ADVANCE THIS PROJECT IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE.
ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO COMMISSIONER? YES.
UM, THE, THE, THE CARPORT, HE HAS A PROGRAMMATIC REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOMEOWNER BECAUSE THE GARAGE IS, IS SMALL, IS REALLY SMALL, THE EXISTING GARAGE.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE, I THINK IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO, TO FEEL SATISFIED WITH NOT HAVING A COVER.
UM, THAT, THAT COURTYARD RIGHT NOW IS THAT DRIVEWAY EXISTS.
UM, THERE'S A METAL STRUCTURE IN THAT SPOT RIGHT NOW THAT KIND OF SITS KINDA COCKEYED OFF IN A CORNER.
UM, AND WE REALLY JUST NEED TO REPLACE ACTUALLY, THEY'VE JUST, THEY'VE, THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN THAT THING DOWN BECAUSE IT WAS, IT WAS FALLING DOWN ANYWAY.
IT WAS A METAL KIND OF A METAL BUILDING.
UM, I THINK THE OWNER WOULD BE DISSATISFIED TO LOSE THE CARPORT.
UM, AND I ACTUALLY THINK IF YOU DRIVE BY THE CARPORT IS HIDDEN BY THE WALL, LOOKING THROUGH IN THE PRESENTATION, OUR VIEWS OF THE TWO OPENINGS OF THE DRIVEWAY, AND YOU'RE LOOKING RIGHT THROUGH TO THE EXISTING HOUSE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD HOPE, UM, THAT YOU WOULD RECONSIDER, WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION THEN IS IF WE'RE THIS CLOSE, BUT WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS ON SOME VERY FINER ELEMENTS OF YOUR DESIGN, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO, UH, OR WOULD YOU ACCEPT A POSTPONEMENT WHERE THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION MIGHT GO BACK TO THE, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE? I BELIEVE IS THE ONE THAT REVIEWED THIS.
I, I HAVE A, UH, I HAVE A THOUGHT, WHAT IF WE, WHAT IF WE PULL THE CARPORT OUT,
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REMOVE IT FROM THE APPLICATION AND SO THAT WE CAN START WORK ON THE HOUSE.AND THEN IF WE DECIDE IF THE OWNER WANTS TO PUT THE CAR PORT BACK IN, WE COME BACK AND START ON A SEPARATE APPLICATION FOR OUR CARPORT.
THIS IS A COMPLETELY DETACHED STRUCTURE.
I DON'T SEE ANY PROCEDURAL REASON WHY THAT WOULDN'T WORK, BUT I, I, AGAIN, UM, IF, IF THAT WOULD CARRY THE DAY WITH EMOTION, I THINK WE OUGHT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE CARPORT DID NOT.
I HATE TO SAY THE OWNER DENIED BECAUSE OF THE CARPORT, UM, ON THEIR BEHALF, I WOULD SAY, UM, LET'S, I WOULD PREFER TO REMOVE THE CAR FOUR FROM THE DISC, REMOVE IT FROM THE APPLICATION AND TRY AGAIN, JUST IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING FORWARD ON THE HOUSE, THERE IS SO MUCH WORK TO DO THERE, THERE ARE WALLS THAT ARE PROPPED UP WITH TEMPORARY STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT FEELS DANGEROUS ON SITE.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY I WOULD PULL THE CARPET OFF THE APPLICATION SO THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA, IT'S JUST NOT PART OF THIS.
I'LL HOLD OFF ON MAKING A MOTION THEN, UH, MADAM CHAIR AND ALLOW MORE CONVERSATION.
COMMISSIONER
I'M ACTUALLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ENCLOSURE OF THE LOGIX THAN THE CARPORT.
I, UM, I THINK BOTH OF THEM, UH, DEPART FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AND CONCEPT BEHIND, BEHIND THIS BUILDING, BUT THE ENCLOSURE OF THE LOGO IS REALLY WITH THE STEEL AND GLASS WALL.
I THINK REALLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THE LOTION.
UH, THE STEEL AND GLASS WALL COMES WAS INSPIRED BY, WELL, ONE PROGRAMMATICALLY, IF WE DON'T ENCLOSE THE LOGIN, THEN WE, WE DON'T ADD ON THE ROOM ON THE SIDE THAT WILL NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER, UM, TO THE STEEL AND GLASS CHANNELS THAT ARE ON THE INFILL THAT IS, IS SHOWN HERE WAS ACTUALLY INSPIRED BY THE STEEL AND GLASS PANELS IN GOLDSMITH HALL, DESIGNED BY CASS GILBERT ON THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.
IT'S THE SAME LANGUAGE, A TWO DIVIDED LIFE STEEL AND GLASS WALL.
IT WOULD BE A FANTASTIC WAY TO FILL IN THE MASONRY OPENINGS.
THANK YOU, MR. PEPIN, IS THERE A ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS CASE? UM, WOULD, WOULD COMMISSIONER SUPPORT AN EMOTION, UM, WITH THE CAR PORT REMOVED FROM THIS DESIGN? WELL, LET ME GO AHEAD FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE, AT LEAST GET THAT ON THE TABLE.
UH, LET ME GO AHEAD AND PROPOSE THAT, UH, THE STAFF MAKE A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CARPORT AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES.
LET ME JUST SPEAK TO THE MOTION.
UH, I DO THINK THIS IS A VERY STRUCTURE.
HIS STAFF HAS TOLD US, I THINK, TO ADVANCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE WORK, UH, AND HELP THIS OWNER, UH, AND KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD IS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT.
I WOULD HATE TO HAVE THIS TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT WAS A QUAGMIRE, AND WE MIGHT LOSE THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT HAVING BEEN SAID, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE STEEL AND GLASS PORTION OF THE ENCLOSURE.
UH, HOWEVER, I NOTE THAT THAT'S NOT REALLY GOING TO BE THE, WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE SIDE, THAT THAT'S MORE OF A SOLID WALL THAT THEY'VE USED, AND CLEARLY THAT'S TO BUFFER THEMSELVES FROM THE, WHAT WILL NOW BE PROMINENT DRIVE.
EXCUSE ME, MY, BUT I'M FINE, BUT I'M FINE WITH THE DESIGN GOING FORWARD.
CAUSE AGAIN, I THINK IT, IT IT'S THE MOST, IT WILL STILL BE THERE AND IT WILL STILL BE OPERABLE.
UH, BUT IT WILL BE AN INTERIOR SPACE.
I'M PRETTY MUCH OPPOSED TO MISSING.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LITTLE, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS MATTHEW.
UM, I AGREE WITH MR. LITTLE, I WILL GO AHEAD AND SUPPORT THE MOTION WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CHANGE.
I, I SEE MR. COMMISSIONER TALLAGHT
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IS REJOINED US.UM, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE ON THIS, UH, RE REVISED MOTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AS OPPOSED ONE, THE MOTION CARRIES NINE TO ONE.
I DIDN'T VOTE BECAUSE I WAS OFF THE DIME.
SO IT WAS EIGHT TO ONE TO ONE I'M ABSTAINING MOVING ONTO OUR NEXT CASE.
[B3. C14H-2009-0058 – Offered for consent approval Graham-Bybee Residence, 1406 Enfield Road Council District 9 Proposal: Modify window and door openings on the rear of the house; demolish detached garage and install an in-ground pool in its place; demolish a stone wall along the alley. Applicant: Holly Arthur for house; Cary Devore for landscape aspects City Staff: Steve Sadowsky, Historic Preservation Office, 974-6454 Committee Recommendation: Not reviewed. Staff Recommendation: Approve the plans if the Commission feels that the modifications to the rear of the house do not compromise the historic integrity of the house, and that the detached garage and stone wall do not contribute to the context of the property.]
THE GRAHAM VIBEY RESIDENCE AT 1406 INFIELD ROAD.THIS IS ALSO AN APPLICATION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS OF THIS CASE.
UH, IF WE CAN PULL UP A PRESENTATION, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
THESE ARE ALL IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME WINDOWS THAT ARE MOVED.
SOME WINDOW OPENINGS THAT ARE MODIFIED THE DOOR OPENING WILL BE MODIFIED NEW DOOR, PUT IN NEW WINDOW TYPE, PUT IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR, OVERLOOKING THE BACKYARD.
AND NONE OF THIS CAN BE SEEN THE STREET, BUT IT IS STILL PART OF THE FOUR WALLS.
SO IT'S A LANDMARK ON THE, UH, THE SECOND PART OF THE PROPOSAL IS FOR, UH, LANDSCAPING AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL IN THE BACKYARD.
THE TWO REAL ISSUES HERE ARE THE DEMOLITION OF A DETACHED GARAGE, WHICH IS UNDETERMINED AT PAGE.
UH, IT SHOWS UP ON THE 1960S SANBORN MAP, BUT NOT BEFORE IT IS NOT OF THE SAME STYLE OR EVEN MATERIALS AS THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S QUESTIONABLE WHETHER IT WAS BUILT CONTEMPORANEOUSLY OR EVEN CLOSE TO CONTEMPORANEOUSLY WITH THE HOUSE.
UH, THE SECOND IS A SECTION OF STONEWALL THAT RUNS ALONG RETALIATE IN THE BACKYARD THAT PROTECTS THE BACK PART OF THE BACKYARD, UH, FROM VIEW IN THE ALLEY.
THIS IS ALSO A WALL OF UNDETERMINED AGE.
UM, IT LOOKS TO BE HISTORIC, BUT WE REALLY HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT WHEN IT WAS CONSTRUCTED.
AND, UH, I'M SORRY IF I SAID BRICK EARLIER, UH, IT'S NOT STUCCOED.
AND, UH, SO IT DOESN'T BEAR ANY ARCHITECTURAL RELATIONSHIP TO THE HOUSE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, UH, IS THAT IF Y'ALL ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CHANGES TO THE HOUSE AND THEN, UH, TO APPROVE IT BECAUSE STAFF HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANY DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE THAT THE GARAGE AND THE STONEWALL ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CONTEXT OF THE HOUSE, UH, STAFF CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AS PROPOSED.
UM, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR SEDOWSKY OR, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS SO WE CAN BEGIN A DISCUSSION? OKAY.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
COMMISSIONER JACOB, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, COMMISSIONER MYERS? AGAIN, I OPPOSE THE CHANGE IN THE HISTORIC WINDOWS AND DOORS.
IT'S A LANDMARK AND IT DOESN'T REALLY SEEM TO BE NECESSARY.
COMMISSIONER MYERS, COMMISSIONER COOK.
CAN I ASK FOR A CLARIFICATION ON THE MOTION THAT IT APPROVAL OF ALL WORK? BECAUSE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UH, LEAVES THE QUESTION OPEN TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE CHANGES TO THE BACK OF THE HOUSE VERSUS THE PARK BOARD AND THE WALLS TO APPROVE THE WORK TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
UM, BUT I, THAT WAS MY INTENT FOR DISCUSSION.
I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION I WOULD SUPPORT, UH,
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UM, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THEY CALL THE VOTE, BUT AN ALTERNATE MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE GARAGE AND THE WALL, WHICH DON'T APPEAR TO BE CONTRIBUTING TO THE, UH, HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.BUT I AGREE THE ALTERATIONS TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE ARE WHILE I GENERALLY SUPPORT SOME REMOVAL OF HISTORIC FABRIC FOR FULL ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
I FEEL LIKE THESE ARE STYLISTIC CHANGES AND DON'T REALLY, UH, EXTEND TO ANY ABILITY TO ADD ON TO THE HOUSE.
UH, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST CHANGING THE STYLE OF THE HOUSE AND IMPACTING HISTORIC FABRIC NEGATIVELY, EVEN AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
I KNOW IN A PREVIOUS, UH, I SAID I WAS MORE ACCEPTING OF, UH, CHANGES TO THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, BUT THIS PARTICULARLY IMPACTS HISTORIC FABRIC, WHICH IS MY MAIN OBJECTION.
THERE MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS MOTION.
YEAH, IF NOT, I WILL CALL THE VOTE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ONE, TWO, THREE, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
AT SEVEN, THE MOTION DOES NOT PASS.
IS THERE AN ALTERNATE MOTION? I'LL OFFER AN ALTERNATE MOTION TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF THE GARAGE AND THE STONEWALL, BUT NOT THE CHANGES TO THE DOORS AND WINDOWS OF THE REAR OF THE HOUSE.
DO I HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER MYERS? OKAY.
COULD I JUMP IN HERE WITH, THIS IS DAVID WITH CARBO STUDIO IS DOING THE INTERIOR OF THIS HOUSE HERE.
UM, THE BIGGEST QUESTION IS WE HAVE TWO TEAMS THAT ARE MR. MYERS.
WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING YET, UM, BY RULE, UM, IF, IF, UH, THE APPLICANT COULD, COULD QUICKLY ADD ON TO THIS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON TO THE VOTE.
I THINK, UH, JUST LIKE WE DID, UM, FOR THE, UH, ROGERS, WASHINGTON, HOLY CROSS HISTORIC DISTRICT, WE DO NEED TO GO AHEAD AND ADD CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK.
WOULD YOU BE A MINIMAL TO ADDING THAT TO YOUR MOTION AND COMMISSIONER MYERS AS THE SECONDARY? YES.
THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE.
LET ME JUST ADD ONE QUICK COMMENT, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS, IT CAN BE MISUNDERSTOOD OR MISCONSTRUED THAT WHEN WE HAVE A HISTORIC HOUSE AND THERE ARE PARTS OF IT THAT AREN'T INVISIBLE FROM THE STREET DIRECTLY, THAT SOMEHOW THAT THAT'S OKAY TO JUST BASICALLY HAVE AT IT.
AND, UH, IN COMPARISON TO THE PREVIOUS ISSUE THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING, I THINK, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK MAKES A VERY GOOD POINT THAT TOGETHER, THE ONLY REASON FOR DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE REALLY IS BASED ON CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK IF ANY, ONE OF THESE ITEMS IN ISOLATION WERE BEING PROPOSED AND THERE WAS A GOOD REASON FOR IT, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH A CONVERSATION, BUT, UH, THIS DOES JUST SEEM LIKE A WAY OF JUST TAKING THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND DOING SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WOULD BE A CHANCE THAT DAVID CLARK HERE WITH HEART WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK THE QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE DESIGN PROCESS HERE, AS IN DIVIDING UP, LIKE SAY IF WE LEFT THE REAR DOOR AS PART OF THE FABRIC OF THE ORIGINAL, UH, LANDMARK BUILDING.
UM, BUT THE KITCHEN WINDOWS, UH, IN REGARDS TO THAT KITCHEN HAS NO NATURAL LIGHT AND THE KITCHEN AND THE WINDOWS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN, EVEN IF WE WENT TO A DOUBLE HUNG, UH, STYLE WINDOW VERSUS A, UH, BIBLE, UH, CASEMENT STYLE, WE COULD MATCH THESE WINDOWS WHERE THEY'RE BASICALLY, UH, MINUS THE PROPORTION LEFT OR RIGHT.
UM, BUT OVERALL, WHAT WOULD READ IDENTICAL? IS THERE ANY ROOM FOR DISCUSSION IN THAT AREA? I GUESS THE DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSION WOULD BE WHETHER TO GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE PERMIT, UM, FOR THE GARAGE AND THE STONEWALL, UM, THAT TO DENY, UM, AS, AS THE MOTION STATES OR TO REFER THE CASE, UM, TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE AND POSTPONE IT, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON.
I WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DETAILS AND IT SHOULD BE BACK TO THE SIGNIFICANT REPORT FOR THIS COMMITTEE.
THIS IS LEAH ROMERO SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE LANDSCAPE IN FAVOR
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OF APPROVING THE DEMO OF THE GARAGE AND OF THE STONEWALL FIRST, SO THAT WE CAN GET WORK STARTED WITHOUT HAVING TO POSTPONE AGAIN.I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE, ON THE MOTION IN THE SECOND, UM, EITHER WE CONTINUE WITH THE VOTE OR WE RETRACT THE MOTION AND I HAVE A POINT POINT OF ORDER AND MAYBE STAFF CAN HELP US.
UH, THIS IS BEING PRESENTED TO US AS ONE CASE, EVEN THOUGH THEIR IMPLICATIONS FOR THESE TWO SEPARATE ELEMENTS.
IS IT POSSIBLE TO APPROVE ONE AND THEN STILL KEEP THE CASE OPEN WITH A POSTPONEMENT ON THE OTHER PORTION OF THIS CASE OR BY DEFINITION? YES.
WE HAVE THEM APPLY FOR A NEW CASE.
NO, NO, THESE ARE ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE APPLICATIONS.
SO THE COMMISSION CAN APPROVE ONE AND REFER THE OTHER TO BE A COMMITTEE IF YOU LIKE.
THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
SO DO WE NEED TO, UM, I GUESS MODIFY A, UM, THE MOTION OF IT TO REFER THE, UM, RENOVATIONS TO THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THE FENESTRATION TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE COMMISSIONER COOK.
SO I WOULD MODIFY, MODIFY THE MOTION AS STATED TO APPROVE THE DEMOLITION OF THE WALL AND THE GARAGE, BUT REFER THE ALTERATIONS TO THE OPENINGS, THE REAR OF THE HOUSE TO THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION UNDER THAT SEPARATE APPLICATION.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT ADDITION? YOU DISAPPOINTED? YEAH.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES 10 TO ZERO.
[C1. NRD-2020-0004 – Discussion 90-92 Rainey Street (Rainey Street National Register District) Council District 9 Proposal: Demolish a ca. 1911-12 contributing building. Applicant: Nelsen Partners City Staff: Kalan Contreras, Historic Preservation Office, 974-2727 Committee Recommendation: The building’s scale precludes the possibility of compatibility through design choices. Staff Recommendation: If the Commission votes to release the permit, then staff recommends relocation over demolition and completion of a City of Austin Documentation Package]
OUR NEXT CASE.IT IS THE 90 TO 92 RAINY STREET PROJECT WITHIN THE RAINY STREET NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, MEANING COMMISSIONER AND CHAIR, THE CASE MANAGER FOR 92 RAINY STREET.
UM, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION OF A CIRCA 1911 BUNGALOW.
UM, Y'ALL ARE PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE AT THIS POINT.
SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE RESEARCH, UM, QUICKLY, UM, THE HOME FIRST LONGTERM RESIDENCE, WHERE BUSINESSMAN EMIL BOWLS, UM, AND HIS FAMILY.
UH, HE RAN AN AUTO PAINT SHOP ON FIFTH STREET AND THE 1920S AND THIRTIES.
AND LATER ON, HE PURCHASED A FILLING STATION AND THE TOURIST CAMP ON SOUTH CONGRESS, UM, BOTH SOLD THE HOME IN 1939 TO 12.
AND, UH, THEY LIVED ACROSS THE STREET, UH, SINCE 1922.
UH, CHARLES WAS ONE OF THE FIRST HEALTH AND COMPANY EMPLOYEES IN AUSTIN.
AND THERE'S SOME MAJOR HOW YOU GREW UP TO BECOME THE EDITOR OF THE BROWNSVILLE HERALD.
UM, HE LET HER JOIN THE AIR FORCE AND CONTRIBUTED STORIES, ADDED EXPERIENCES, UM, ON MILITARY LIGHTS TO VARIOUS PUBLICATIONS THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, UM, AND WELL INTO HIS RETIREMENT ALSO.
UM, AND WHEN YOU LEFT THE AIR FORCE, HE RETIRED DOCTOR HIS CHILDHOOD HOME AT 92 RAINY, UM, AND HE LIVED THERE UNTIL HIS DEATH.
UM, SO WHILE THIS BUILDING REMAINS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE RACE HISTORIC DISTRICT, UM, WE LOOKED AT MODIFICATIONS, UH, WHICH MAY RENDER IT AND ELIGIBLE AS A LANDMARK.
UM, SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS, UH, SHOULD THE COMMISSION VOTE TO RELEASE THE DENTAL PERMIT? UH, STAFF RECOMMENDS ENCOURAGING RELOCATION, THEN A COMPLETION OF A CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
UM, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, UH, THIS IS THE LAST MEETING, UH, WHERE Y'ALL CAN, UH, CAN COMMENT ON THIS CASE.
UM, IT WILL NOT APPEAR ON THE AGENDA AGAIN, UNLESS THE COMMISSION VOTES TO INITIATE IT.
SO EXPLAINING, UM, THE PERMIT WILL HAVE TO BE RELEASED OTHERWISE.
AND AS THE COMMISSION HAVE ALREADY TOLD THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME ALLOWED BY CODE, UM, OR THE DEMOLITIONS, UM, ON THIS CASE.
UH, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? I MAY HAVE MISSED SOME OF THAT, BUT CAN WE POSTPONE IT AGAIN? WAS THAT ONE OF OUR OPTIONS WE CANNOT, THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT IT WILL
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APPEAR ON OUR AGENDA.SO IF WE WANT TO, UM, OFFER COMMENTS, UH, ON THE PROJECT, UM, TO FOLLOW STAFFER RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO PREPARE A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, UM, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO MAKE THAT MOTION OR TO DENY, DENY THE REQUEST, BUT STILL REQUIRE THAT OR ALL RIGHT.
UM, MISS CONTRAREZ, WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION TO DENY ME THE DEMOLITION FROM IT, BUT TO REQUIRE A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND YOU CAN NOT DENY THIS DEMO BECAUSE IT'S IN A, A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
SO YOU CAN EITHER VOTE TO INITIATE OR YOU CAN BATCH RELEASE, THOUGHT APPROVING, UM, REGARDLESS, UNLESS YELLOW INITIATE, UM, TONIGHT, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO REALLY SICK IT TOMORROW.
TODAY, TODAY IS IT'S EITHER AND LANDMARK OR IT'S NOT, UNFORTUNATELY.
SO I'LL, I'LL GO AHEAD AND RECOMMEND THAT, UH, WITH GREAT HESITATION THAT WE INSTRUCT THE STAFF TO RELEASE THE TOMORROW, BUT ONLY AFTER THEY RECEIVE THE COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENT PACKAGE ON THE EXISTING HOUSE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HOMESNAP.
IS THERE A SECOND TO HIS MOTION, MR. COOK THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE HEARING NONE.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED YOU HAVE EIGHT IN FAVOR, TWO OPPOSED, UH, COMMISSIONER COOK.
I MEAN, COMMISSIONER JACOB AND COMMISSIONER VALANCE WILL UPS, UM, ON THAT, UH, THE MOTION,
[C3. NRD-2020-0027 – Offered for consent approval 2607 McCallum Drive (Old West Austin National Register District) Council District 9 Proposal: Demolish a ca. 1941 contributing house. Applicant: David Cancialosi & Jen Hanlen City Staff: Kalan Contreras, Historic Preservation Office, 974-2727 Staff Recommendation: Release the permit upon completion of a City of Austin Documentation Package, consisting of photographs of all elevations, a dimensioned sketch plan, and a narrative history, for archiving at the Austin History Center. Alternately, the Commission may choose to initiate a 180-day demolition delay, as the building contributes to a National Register Historic District.]
OUR NEXT CASE IS ITEM C3, 26 OH SEVEN MACALLAN DRIVE WITHIN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.COMMISSIONERS AND ITEM C THREE A IS AN APPLICATION FOR DEMOLITION OF A 1941 HOUSE.
THIS IS A TWO STORY FRAME AND STUMPING YOUR HOUSE BUILT FOR JOSEPH AND MILDRED ALEXANDER.
UM, JOSEPH ALEXANDER WORKED AS A SALESMAN FOR THE SET COMPANY ON FIELD OFFICE OF BIAS BY 1955, THE ALEXANDERS HAD SOLD THE PROPERTY TO ROBERT PAYNE WHO WORKED IN THE OIL INDUSTRY, UM, AND HIS WIFE, MARY J. PAYNE, WHO HEADED THE UNITED FUND PROGRAM FOR THE AREA.
UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS RELEASE OF THE DEMOLITION PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
UM, AND JUST TO NOTE, THE COMMISSION WILL NEED TO REVIEW PLANS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THIS PROPERTY.
UM, WHEN I WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, ULTIMATELY THE COMMISSION HAS THE OPTION TO POSTPONE THIS CASE UP TO 180 DAYS OF THIS IS AND SHIPPING BUILDING ON A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS CASE? I HAVE A MOTION.
I PULLED THIS FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT IS A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY WITHIN A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WORTHY OF OUR CONSIDERATION.
I GUESS I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.
HAS THE APPLICANT INDICATED WHAT THE PROPOSED REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE WILL BE, OR HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION WITH, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE ON, UH, OPTIONS OR ALTERNATIVES? UH, THERE HAS NOT COMMISSIONER.
WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED PLANS, UM, FOR THIS, UH, NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SPOT YET.
SO WE'RE IN A HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL REPLACE A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.
WELL, LET ME JUST SAY THAT, THAT, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT FACTOR BECAUSE THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TAKE IT BACK ONCE IT'S GONE, BUT, UH, SOMETHING THAT AT LEAST IS SYMPATHETIC TO AND SUPPORTIVE OF
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THE SURROUNDING AREA MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THE ULTIMATE LOSS OF A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DISTRICT AND CLASHES OR, OR WEAKENS THE OVERALL DISTRICT, UH, INEVITABLY AS A CONCERN.
YES, MR. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT QUICKLY THAT, UM, THE, THE DEMOLITION PERMIT WON'T BE ABLE TO BE RELEASED UNTIL THE COMMISSION HAS, UM, LOOKED AT THE NEW PLAN.
SO THEY CHOSEN TO DO IT IN TWO PARTS.
AND USUALLY WE SEE THESE AS ONE.
UM, BUT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LET GO OF THAT DEMO PERMIT UNTIL YOU GUYS HAVE A WEIGHED IN, ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, MR. AS THE APPLICANT CANCELED.
MOSTLY I WOULD JUST ADD THAT WE FULLY INTEND AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO BE, UM, CONSISTENT AND CONSIDERATE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH THERE'S MAJOR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO IT PER THE REPORT THAT WE DID PROVIDE STAFF, BUT WE UNDERSTAND FULLY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK AND GAIN YOUR SUPPORT FROM THE STUPID APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION ITSELF IN ORDER TO BUILD BACK A BRAND NEW SINGLE COMING HOME THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, OR DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? WELL, LET ME JUMP IN ON THIS ONE.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, I THINK IT'S A TERRIBLE STRATEGY, BUT IT'S THE ONLY ONE WE SEEM TO HAVE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE NECESSARILY MERITING, UH, THIS MERITS A, UH, HISTORIC DESIGNATION AS AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, BUT I THINK I MADE THE CASE FOR WHY RELEASING A DEMO PERMIT WITHOUT FURTHER CONVERSATION, EVEN IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE RELEASED, UH, MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.
AND, UH, THE OTHER OPTION I SEE WE HAVE IS TO INITIATE 180 DAY DELAY.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S NOT A GREAT TOOL.
I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO SOLVE PROBLEMS, BUT AT LEAST IT DOESN'T PUT US INTO A DIFFICULT POSITION WHERE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED A DEMOLITION PERMIT.
UH, EVEN AS WE'RE TRYING TO REVIEW WHAT COMES IN ITS PLACE.
I DO THINK THE TWO IT'S BEEN 180 DAYS, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME SENSE OF WHAT THIS OWNER IS HAVING IN MIND FOR A REPLACEMENT FRESHENER.
I'M SETH, WE TYPICALLY DO THE ONE, 180 DAY DELAY ONE MONTH AT A TIME.
WOULD YOUR EMOTION, UM, SEE TO DELAY UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING? THAT'S CORRECT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, UH, COMMISSIONER MYERS.
AND I'LL SECOND THAT, DO WE GO FURTHER DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND WITHOUT A TIMEFRAME, ARE WE JUST HOPING THAT THEY GET AROUND TO IT? I DON'T.
I WE'RE LIKE, CAN WE SAY LIKE, NO, WE HAVE TO SEE THE NEW PLANTS BEFORE WE'LL APPROVE THE DEMOLITION, BUT I GUESS IF OUR, TO LIKE DELAY ONE AND WAIT FOR THE OTHER, IT'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS.
WHAT THAT IS MR. MYERS, OUR, UM, GENERALLY WE GET AN APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH WITH THE PLANS FOR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO IS BUY A PIG AND A POKE MORE OR LESS.
WE DON'T KNOW, UH, WHAT YOUR, WHAT YOUR CONCEPT IS EVEN FOR ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION ON THE SITE.
SO I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HIND, SETH, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DELAY THIS AND HOPE THAT YOU COME BACK WITH SOME PLANS FOR US FURTHER DISCUSSION.
IF NOT, WE WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HYP, SETH, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE HAVE, UH, EIGHT IN FAVOR TO OPPOSE CONDITIONER, PAPA CECILIO, COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTON.
IT PASSES EIGHT TO TWO AND, AND BY POSTPONING, OF COURSE, WHATEVER THE OWNER CAN BRING US IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS WILL BE APPRECIATED, UH, NOT A REQUIREMENT, BUT APPRECIATE IT.
[C5. 3313 Bryker Drive (Old West Austin National Register District) – Offered for consent approval Council District 9 Proposal: Demolish a contributing ca. 1941-42 duplex and construct a new building. Applicant: Stuart Sampley City Staff: Kalan Contreras, Historic Preservation Office, 974-2727 Staff Recommendation: Comment on and release the permit upon completion of a City of Austin Documentation Package, consisting of photographs of all elevations, a dimensioned sketch plan, and a narrative history, for archiving at the Austin History Center. Alternately, the Commission may choose to initiate a 180-day demolition delay, as the building contributes to a National Register Historic District.]
ON TO OUR LAST CASE, UM, UNDER PERMITS WITHIN THE NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT, WE HAVE THREE 13 BRECKER DRIVE, UH, AGAIN, WITHIN[02:40:01]
THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER, ALL RIGHT, CONTRIBUTING 1941, DUPLEX, UH, AND CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY BUILDING AND IT'S PLACE.UM, THE EXISTING DUPLEX IS COMPOSED OF TWO SINGLE STORY FRAME UNITS WITH ENTRANCES AT 33 BREAKER DRIVE AND 1705 WEST 34TH STREET.
UM, ALEX BRANDON, WHO WAS A SUPERVISOR WITH THE TEXAS EMPLOYMENT COMMISSION, UM, WAS THE LONGEST TERM OWNER OF BOTH HALVES OF THE SIDE OF THIS DUPLEX.
UM, AND THROUGHOUT THE 1940S AND FIFTIES, SHE AND HER FAMOUS FAMILY LIVED OFF AND ON IN BOTH SIDES.
UM, SO FRIENDS IN LAWS, UM, THEY ALL KIND OF, UH, SKIPPED BETWEEN BOTH SIDES OF THESE DEFECTS.
SO IF YOU'RE AT MID CENTURY, UM, THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING IS A TWO STORY HOUSE, CLADDING, VERTICAL WOOD SIDING.
UM, IT'S GOT A COMPOSITION SHINGLE ROOF AND CLAD WOOD CASEMENT WINDOWS.
THE MAIN ELEVATION CONTAINS A COVERED PORCH, UM, AND A HORIZONTAL PANEL GARAGE DOOR.
UM, THE NORTH ELEVATION ON 34TH STREET FEATURES A PARTIAL WOOD PORCH, A STUCCO CHIMNEY AND APPROVAL.
UM, SO WE HAVE CRAMMED FOR THIS ONE.
UH, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO COMMENT ON THE PLANS AND RELATES TO DEMOLITION PERMIT UPON COMPLETION OF THE DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE.
UM, AGAIN, ALTERNATELY THE COMMISSION, UM, STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO GO WITH CONE UP TO 180 DAYS, UH, FROM THE APPLICATION RECEIPTS, UM, AS IT'S BUILDING AS WELL, CONTRIBUTES TO A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR DO WE HAVE I MOVED TO POSTPONE THE CASE TO OUR AUGUST MEETING? THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER COOK.
DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? OKAY.
I USUALLY HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THE NASH, THE NATIONAL REGISTRY, HISTORIC DISTRICT PROPERTIES AND THE USE OF THE DELAY.
UH, I HATE TO SEE THE EROSION OF OUR DISTRICTS AND, BUT THIS IS A TOOL AVAILABLE TO US.
I TEND TO LOOK AT THE CONTEXT IN A GIVEN SITUATION, BUT SEE IF WE ARE IN AN AREA THAT'S BEEN DRASTICALLY CHANGED OR IS ON A PERIMETER.
UH, THIS AREA SEEMS TO BE RELATIVELY, RELATIVELY INTACT AND AT A GATEWAY ENTRY.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, UM, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF, UH, COMMENTARY THERE IS ABOUT HISTORIC DISTRICTS, PREVENTING DENSITY.
I HAVE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM DEMOLISHING A DUPLEX AND REPLACING IT WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE NAME OF ERODING A NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC DISTRICT IN THE PROCESS.
WHAT MAY EXPRESS SOME CONCERN THAT ANYTIME WE'RE DOING A DELAY, ARE WE GOING TO INFLUENCE POSITIVELY THE OUTCOME MEAN WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T HAD A FULL RESEARCH NECESSARILY, BUT WE'RE NOT RIGHT.
ALL OF US IMMEDIATELY SAYING LET'S INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING ON THIS.
THOSE ARE REALLY OUR TWO ALTERNATIVES.
AND LOOKING AT THE DESIGN THAT'S PROPOSED AND LOOKING AT THE SENSITIVITY OF THAT DESIGN TO SOME OF THE CONTEXT, UH, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS HAVING THE ACTUAL HISTORIC BUILDING, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT THAT BUILDING IS AS EXISTS AS READILY ADAPTABLE TO, UH, OTHER USES OTHER THAN ITS EXISTING CONDITION AS A VERY MODEST DUPLEX.
UH, AND I DO THINK THAT A PROPERTY OWNER WHO'S WILLING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S AT LEAST A SENSITIVE DESIGN.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ROLL THE DICE IF, UH, SOMEONE COMES BACK LATER AND IS BASICALLY WANTING TO, UM, FOREGO ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL AND JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THEY WANT.
SO I, UM, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S PLAYING NICE, MAYBE WE USE OUR TOOLS MORE SELECTIVELY, UH, AGAIN, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE THAT THIS, THIS, UH, THIS OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE IMPROVED BY A DELAY.
I THINK THAT, UH, COMMISSIONER I'M STUFF AND I ARE LIKE, UM, IF, IF A CASUAL OBSERVER WAS IGNORING ALL THE NUANCES, THEY THINK THAT WE TOTALLY SWITCHED SIDES RELEVANT, WENT DOWN ON RAINY STREET.
UM, BUT I THINK MY, MY ARGUMENT FOR THIS ONE IS IT IS A MODEST TO DUPLEX,
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YOU KNOW, TWO UNIT COMPLEX, WHEREAS RAINY STREET.UM, HADN'T BEEN USED AS A RESIDENCE FOR SO LONG AND HAD BEEN MODIFIED SO SEVERELY.
AND I, I WAS, I FEEL LIKE, UH, GENERALLY I AM AGAINST, UM, USING OUR DELIGHT TACTIC FOR THE SAKE OF IT HERE.
I'M JUST FRUSTRATED ENOUGH AT LOSING, GOING NET NEGATIVE ONE ON HOUSING UNITS IN THE CITY THAT, UH, THAT'S HOW FRUSTRATED I AM.
I'M GOING AGAINST MY PRINCIPLES.
AND I'M SAYING NO WAY IT, I DUNNO IF I'M OUT OF TURN HERE, BUT I'M THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT AND I'M HERE.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
I, I THINK COMMISSIONER PUPPET, I HAD A COMMENT.
YEAH, THOSE SENTIMENTS, UH, SURE.
IF BUY IN THE GATEWAY ARGUMENT INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, I MEAN KIND OF, SORT OF, UM, SUPPORT DELAYING, UM, JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHOSE TAXES I CAN JUST IMAGINE IN WHAT THE RENT IS IN THAT.
SO, UM, PROBABLY HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED INSIDE IN 50, 60 YEARS IN THE PRIDE PAIN AMOUNT OF RENT.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE WILL GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
I'VE UM, ALL THOSE OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WHAT, I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THE MOTION COMMISSIONER COOK? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESTATE YOUR MOTION? TWO TO POSTPONE 30 DAYS.
DO WE NEED TO VOTE AGAIN? NOT EVERYONE VOTED ON THAT MOTION.
SO THE MOTION IS TO POSTPONE 30 DAYS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, ALL THOSE OPPOSED.
ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, ASK THIS SIX TO FOUR COMMISSIONER MCWHORTER, UH, HAIM SET, JACOB AND PAPA FACILITY, OPPOSED TO THAT MOTION.
SO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT IN 30 DAYS.
[D1. HDP-2020-0214 – Discussion 2502 Park View Drive Council District 7 Proposal: Demolish a ca. 1954 house. Applicant: Ashlin Williamson City Staff: Steve Sadowsky, Historic Preservation Office, 974-6454 Staff Recommendation: Review the structural reports and proposal and either initiate historic zoning or release the permit upon completion of a City of Austin Documentation Package.]
OR RELOCATION PERMITS.UM, OUR NEXT CASE DEEP ONE 20 FARGO TO PARKVIEW DRIVE.
AND THEN COMMISSIONERS, UH, THIS CASE IS YOU HAD SEEN BEFORE LAST MONTH, IT IS THE APPLICATION FOR THE DEMOLITION OF THE 1954 HOUSE.
THAT WAS A PART OF AUSTIN'S AIR TO A DEVELOPMENT.
UH, BUT THE AUSTIN THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER WAS ONE OF SEVERAL THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS WAS TO TEST THE EFFICIENCY AND THE FEASIBILITY OF USING STEVIE CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING IN MODESTLY SIZED AND MODESTLY PRICED HOUSES FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS BEFORE THIS MOST AIR CONDITIONING WAS EITHER IN VERY HIGH END HOUSES OR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
SO THIS WAS TRULY A PIONEERING STEP IN PROVIDING CENTRAL AIR CONDITIONING TO MIDDLECLASS FAMILIES IN THE CITY.
22 HOMES WERE BUILT BETWEEN 1953 AND 1954, INCLUDING THIS ONE.
THIS ONE WAS KNOWN AS THE CHRYSLER AIR TAP HOUSE.
AND IT WAS DESIGNED BY FOR A DAY WHO WAS A LOCAL ARCHITECT, BUT THEY HAD PREVIOUSLY WORKED WITH BARREN GRANGER WHO WAS NOTED FOR THEIR MID CENTURY MODERN DESIGNS.
AND, UH, THE HOUSE WAS BUILT BY WAYNE BURNS, WHO WAS THE DEVELOPER OF SUBDIVISION THAT ENCOMPASSED THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE.
THIS HOUSE IS REMARKABLY INTACT AND IT DISPLAYS QUITE A NUMBER OF, UH, MID CENTURY MODERN DESIGN AESTHETICS.
IT USES MATERIALS IN A, IN INNOVATIVE WAYS.
IT'S GOT DEEP EAVES, UH, A VERY INTERESTING ROOF LINE AND THE USE OF OTHER MATERIALS LIKE PERFORATED BRICK TO SET OFF THE DRIVEWAY AND WALK TO THE HOUSE.
THE HOUSE WAS, UH, PURCHASED VERY EARLY ON BY GERALD AND NANCY KELLY.
MR. KELLY WAS THE CHIEF ENGINEER FOR TIPS, IRON AND STEEL COMPANY ON BAYLOR STREET.
AND WE LIVED IN THIS HOUSE UNTIL VERY RECENTLY.
UH, SINCE THE LAST HEARING, THE APPLICANT
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HAS PROVIDED A COUPLE OF STRUCTURAL REPORTS WITH COST ESTIMATES AS TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO BASICALLY BRING THIS HOUSE UP TO A SALABLE CONDITION.UH, THE AIR CONDITIONING IN THE HOUSE HAS FAILED AND BECAUSE OF THE SLAB FOUNDATION AND THE WAY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, IT'S GOT, UH, A SERIES OF CLERESTORY WINDOWS THAT PREVENT THE INSTALLATION OF FEELING AND ATTIC DUCKS THROUGHOUT THE HOUSE.
SO, UH, I'M A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT THEY DID NOT PROVIDE ANY TESTIMONY TO DECEIVING, BUT, UH, THIS IS AN AREA AT THE AIR CONDITIONER VILLAGE THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT DESIGNATION.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST INTACT HOUSES REMAINING IN THE AIR CONDITIONED VILLAGE.
SO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AS A SHOUT ON OUR, UH, STAFF REPORT WAS TO EITHER INITIATE HISTORIC ZONING OR RELEASE DEPARTMENT UPON COMPLETION OF A CITY DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, BUT STAFF WOULD ADD A THIRD ALTERNATIVE AND THAT WOULD BE TO POSTPONE UNTIL HARVEST AND, UH, AFFORD THE APPLICANT, THE ABILITY TO ADDRESS YOU, UH, AS TO THE REASON FOR OBTAINING THE STRUCTURAL REPORT AND THE PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY.
I DO WANT TO ADD THAT THIS IS, THIS IS NOW JUST STATE 30, SO WE DO HAVE ROOM FOR POSTPONEMENT.
I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT, UH, BARRY WILLIAMSON, UM, IS, IS ON THE LINE.
UM, IF NOT, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? I'M DEFINITELY ON THE LINE.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MA'AM THANK YOU.
I MOVED THAT WE INITIATED HISTORIC ZONING.
IT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT ARCHITECTURALLY, AS STRONG AS STORY ASSOCIATIONS WITH NEW INNOVATIONS, AUSTIN WOULD NOT HAVE GROWN TO THE CITY THAT IT IS IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR AIR CONDITIONING, UM, AND IT HAS STRONG COMMUNITY VALUE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER, MY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT MEETS THE CRITERIA FOR ARCHITECTURE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MYERS AND LITTLE AFTER FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE, MR.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES PRESENTED IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL FEASIBILITY ON THE DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS INCLUDED ONLY A 600 FOOT ADDITION, WHICH IS JUST A SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF AN ADDITION TO A LANDMARK.
A LARGER ADDITION COULD BE DONE SENSITIVELY TO THIS HOUSE TO PROVIDE ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS WHILE WE'RE PUTTING TOGETHER THE CONSIDERATION FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR LANDMARK STATUS, THE OWNER CONSIDER THAT OPTION, MR. SETH.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT POINT.
I JUST WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT AS WE'RE BEING SHOWN DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY INDICATING AN ECONOMIC HARDSHIP FOR A PRESERVATION OPTION.
WHEREAS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A TEAR DOWN OF A RESALE AT 3,500 SQUARE FEET AND HIS AD AUCTION, THAT'S ONLY GIVING HIM 1800 SQUARE FEET, UH, VERSUS EVEN THE RESTORATION OF 1200 SQUARE FEET.
OUR JOB IS NOT TO MAKE A DEVELOPER MONEY.
OUR JOB IS TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT THE PRESERVATION OF OUR ARCHITECTURAL HISTORY.
UH, I'LL LEAVE A NOTE THAT THE ENGINEERS REPORT READING BETWEEN THE LINES WAS VERY SELECTIVELY GIVING FEASIBILITY TO THE WAY THE OWNER TOLD THEM TO, TO ADD OR SUBTRACT PLUMBING LINES AND MECHANICAL LINES.
SO THAT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS DECIDING THAT YOU WANT TO RESTORE THIS BUILDING AS WE ARE ENCOURAGING IN EVERY SINGLE WAY AND EMBRACING THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING WOULD HAVE.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE SOME OF THE EFFORT THAT THE OWNER WENT INTO, BUT I REALLY DO THINK THEY'RE TAKING THE WRONG APPROACH AND IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY, I BELIEVE APPLICABLE TO THE KINDS OF EVALUATIONS THAT WE'RE TASKED TO MAKE IN EVALUATING THE MERIT ULTIMATELY OF THIS BUILDING HISTORICALLY.
SO I WOULD LIKE US TO BEGIN THAT RESEARCH SO WE CAN REALLY GET INTO THE PROCESS EFFECTIVELY.
HI, SETH, MR. MCWHORTER NOTE EARLIER THAT I'LL BE ABSTAINING FROM THE VOTE ON THIS CASE.
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THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.IS, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SO THE MOTION BEFORE US IS TO ACHIEVE HISTORIC ZONING, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WOULD YOU LIKE I'LL RESPOND TO THE COMMISSIONER OR OUR ENGINEER? OKAY.
WE HAVE, AND ONE OF STAINING COMMISSIONER REPORTER AT SEVEN IN THE GROUP.
SO THE MOTION PASSES AND I'M SORRY, MR. WILLIAMSON, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION? YES.
UH, I THINK HE MADE SURE I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT OUR ENGINEERING REPORT.
IT SUGGESTED THAT IT DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T ADDRESS WHAT HIS CONCERNS ARE.
AND I WAS WONDERING ABOUT HIS CONCERNS THIS MORNING, SORRY FOR HAVING TO BE TREBLE.
AND HERE, I THINK I SAID A COMMISSIONER TO ASK ABOUT THE ENGINEERING REPORT AND IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS.
IF YOU WOULD ASK ME WHAT HIS CONCERNS ABOUT OUR ENGINEER REPORT WAS COMMISSIONER I'M SET FOR QUESTIONS.
NO, ACTUALLY I WAS, I WAS MORE MAKING A STATEMENT IN THAT.
UH, AND, AND OF COURSE NOW BY INITIATING HISTORIC ZONING, THERE WILL BE A CHANCE FOR THIS OWNER TO ENGAGE WITH THE STAFF.
AND I GUESS I WAS MAKING THAT POINT THAT THE APPROACH I'M INTERPRETING FROM THE MATERIALS WE'VE RECEIVED IS A DETERMINATION THAT THEY DO NOT WANT TO EMBRACE THE OPPORTUNITY OF REALLY RESTORING THIS HOUSE.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO USE THIS AS A CHANCE TO RECONSIDER THAT POSITION.
I WANTED TO NOTE IN THAT MOTION THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS LEFT OPEN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
[D3. HDP-2020-0233 – Discussion 5512 Shoalwood Avenue Council District Proposal: Relocate a ca. 1935 house. Applicant: Kevin Woodworth & Kathy Robinson City Staff: Kalan Contreras, Historic Preservation Office, 974-2727 Staff Recommendation: Consider initiation of historic zoning. Otherwise, encourage rehabilitation and adaptive reuse, then release the relocation permit upon completion of a City of Austin Documentation Package.]
HEY, MOVING ON TO OUR NEXT CASE, IT IS ITEM D THREE 55HI COMMISSIONER, I ITEM C AN APPLICATION FOR A RELOCATION ON A SINGLE SCURRY ROCK FROM YOUR RESIDENCE, UH, CONSTRUCTED IN 1939.
UM, THE FIRST RESIDENTS WERE CHARLES KOCH AND HIS WIFE, UH, PITNEY WAS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.
SHE HAD MOVED TO AUSTIN TO START HIS OWN FIRM, UM, EARLIER IN 1939.
UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS IN AUSTIN.
UM, AMONG MANY OTHERS HAS EARLY INCLUDED.
I'M CITING SUBDIVISION PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR ROSEWOOD AND CHALMERS COURTS.
UH, THE DELLWOOD DUPLEX, THE ALLENDALE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, AND THE PRINCIPAL NATION RESTORATION AS WELL.
UM, NOTABLE CLIENTS INCLUDED THE BERGSTROM AIR FORCE BASE, UM, CITY OF AUSTIN, STATE OF TEXAS, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UM, IBM AND DOZENS OF PRIVATE OFTEN RESIDENTS AS WELL.
UM, SO LIKE IT WAS TODAY ON, UM, SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL LANDMARKS, UM, AS WELL AS PUBLIC AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AROUND TOWN.
UM, SO AFTER AROUND 10 YEARS, THE PINCKNEY SOLD HOME TO BOOKKEEPER ALICE STEVENS WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN A SCHOOL TEACHER WITH, UM, OFTEN IFC, UM, AND STEPHEN LIVED IN THE HOME UNTIL 1961, UM, THROUGH THE BUILDING APPEARS TO MAINTAIN HIGH INTEGRITY.
ANOTHER IS AN ENGINEER REPORT, UH, PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT IN YOUR BACKUP, UH, THAT SUGGESTS SOME STRUCTURAL ISSUES.
UM, SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER INITIATING STUART'S ZONING BASED ON THE HOMES ASSOCIATION WITH, UH, CHARLES KOCH, BERTH, PINCKNEY.
UM, HOWEVER, SHOULD THE COMMISSION CHOOSE TO RELEASE THE RELOCATION PERMIT, UH, STUFF RECOMMENDS COMPLETION OF THE CITY OF AUSTIN DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, UM, AS THE HOUSE WILL BE RELOCATED OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.
AND, AND THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE APPLICANT APPLICATION ALSO IN YOUR BACKUP.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER MEYERS? YEAH.
PROPOSING TO RETAIN THE STUFF.
I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF I MAY.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? IT'S
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MARK CANADA.I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THIS HOUSE HAS BEEN, UH, WE'VE MADE ARRANGEMENTS TO DONATE THIS TO A NONPROFIT WHO HAS IN TURN, PUT US IN CONTACT WITH A COUPLE OF WHO'S GOING TO BE MOVING THIS HOUSE OUT TO THE, UH, THE SAN GABRIEL RIVER.
UM, THE STONE ITSELF WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
UM, I'M NOT POSITIVE THAT THAT STONE IS ORIGINAL.
I SUSPECT THAT IT IS NOT, UM, BUT IT IS ROUGHLY TWO INCH THICK FLAGSTONE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN PUT ON THE HOUSE AND, UH, WILL ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO, UH, RELOCATE THE HOUSE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE TAKING TO BE TAKING THE ROCK WITH THEM BASICALLY TO REINSTALL IT, ONCE IT FIND ITS PERMANENT HOME, IS THERE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS CASE? I MIGHT'VE, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN SET BY STAFF, BUT IS, I GUESS THE HISTORIC ASSOCIATION IS THROUGH A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS THAT LIVED THERE.
IS THERE ANY OF THE LANDSCAPE FEATURES THAT ARE ORIGINAL TO DESIGN BY THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT THAT LIVED THERE? WELL, COMMISSIONER I'M, UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTATION OF THAT.
UM, MOST OF MR. PINKIES, UM, PLANS AND DESIGNS ARE AT THE, UH, THE ALEXANDER ARCHIVE AT UT AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET INTO THOSE ARCHIVES AND DO THE PANDEMIC, UNFORTUNATELY.
UM, BUT MOST OF THOSE REFER HIS, UH, HIS CLIENTS AND NOT NECESSARILY HIMSELF.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WOULD BE ANY DOCUMENTATION.
UM, SO HIS OWN HOUSE, UM, MAY I ADD THAT THERE IS NO LANDSCAPING ON THE PROPERTY WHATSOEVER? WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE FROM THE, AND THAT WAS PLACED BY THE COURT.
JUST PUT YOUR HOUSE ON BACK LAST YEAR.
THERE IS WE'D GO BY AND GETTING ON THE PROPERTY.
THE MOTION OF THIS CASE, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RELOCATION OF THE HOUSE.
FURTHER SEND, DO I HAVE A SECOND TO HIS MOTION FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. MYERS, MOVING THIS HOUSE? I BELIEVE IT'S SIGNIFICANT FOR ARCHITECTURE USING THE STONE PART OF THE MOVE, MOVING THE HOUSE.
I WAS GOING TO NOTE THAT I'M ALSO SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE FEASIBILITY FOR RELOCATION.
I WAS GOING TO, I WAS CONSIDERING MOVING TO POSTPONE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECAUSE THE INSPECTION REPORT WAS PRETTY CURSORY AND STONE IS NOT VERY FORGIVING ON PROBLEMS, BUT LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS, I DO SEE A MAJOR CRACK ALONG THE LEFT SIDE OF THE STONE, WHICH IF I CAN SEE IT IN GOOGLE MAPS, UM, USUALLY DOES INDICATE SOME ISSUES.
I WOULD STILL BE INCLINED TO SEE SOME MORE INFORMATION BACKING UP, UH, ISSUES OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AS OF THE, AS PART OF THE ISSUE.
UH, BUT AT THE MOMENT, I'M A BIT ON THE FENCE PENDING FURTHER DISCUSSION.
CAN I SHARE A BEDROOM CLARIFICATION? DID MR. CANADA SAY THE STONE, THE STONE WOULD BE REMOVED BEFORE THE HOUSE WAS MOVED, BUT TODAY ACTUALLY BE TAKING THAT STONE WITH THEM.
AND I GUESS WE ALSO DON'T KNOW IF THE STONE IS ORIGINAL TO THE HOUSE.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE ABOUT THE STONE, I GUESS, FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE.
UH, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE FACT OF IF THAT'S DONE, I'M SORRY.
UH, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT THE STONE WAS ORIGINAL OR NOT.
UM, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT IT WAS NOT, BUT I, I CAN'T BACK THAT UP, UH, TO, TO MOVE THE HOUSE.
THEY MUST DISASSEMBLE THE STONE OFF OF THE STRUCTURE.
UM, THE HOUSE MOVER THAT HAS ALREADY TAKEN A LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND THE HOME OWNERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE TAKING, UH, POSSESSION OF THE HOUSE, UH, PLAN ON TAKING THE STONE OFF, MOVING IT WITH
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THE HOUSE AND THEN RECONSTRUCTING IT ONCE IT'S ON A NEW FOUNDATION, THE HOUSE HAS GOT A COBBLED TOGETHER FOUNDATION THAT THE PIER AND BEAM, UH, SOME OF THEIR PEERS ARE NOT EVEN SITTING ON, UH, ANYTHING BUT DIRT.UH, THERE ARE A FEW, UM, SONOTUBES WITH, UH, SOME CONCRETE, UH, THAT A FEW OF THE BEAMS ARE SITTING ON, BUT, UH, THE FOUNDATION IS HAPHAZARD.
IT LOOKS AS IF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN ADDED ONTO AT LEAST TWO TIMES, UH, SINCE, SINCE THE ORIGIN, UH, AND, UH, THE STRUCTURE FOR THE, UH, WALLS ARE, THE HOUSE IS WRACKED.
IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT TERM, IT'S LEANING AT LEAST TWO INCHES OUT OF PLUM TO THE SOUTH.
UH, IF YOU WALK INSIDE THE HOUSE, THE WALLS ARE LEANING.
SO, UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS ALSO COMMENTED ON THE CEILING, UH, STRUCTURE THAT IT'S ALL TWO BY FOUR FRAMING, 30 INCHES ON CENTER FOR THE RAFTERS WITH NO RIDGE BEANS.
UM, SO THE HOUSE IS NOT ALL THAT GREAT.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE WANTING THE HOUSE TO HAVE IT RELOCATED, UH, FUTURE COMPETITORS ARE, UH, WANTING TO RELOCATE THE ROCKS, UH, ALONG WITH THE HOUSE AND THEN REASSEMBLE IT.
UH, THEY HAVE DONE ONE OF THE HOUSES, UH, IN THE PAST YEAR FROM WILLOW STREET IN EAST AUSTIN.
UH, AND IN THE PACKET THAT I'VE GIVEN YOU GUYS, THEIR INTENT IS TO CONTINUE TO BRING THESE OLDER HOMES TO THEIR PROPERTY AS A ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THEIR WEDDING VENUE, UH, BUSINESS THAT THEY HAVE BUILT OUT THERE.
UM, IN THE PACKET, YOU'LL FIND THAT THE WILLOW STREET HOUSE IN ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION PHOTOGRAPHED AND DOCUMENTED, UH, HAS TURNED OUT TO BE SOMETHING SPECTACULAR, UH, ON THEIR PROPERTY.
UH, AND THEY CURRENTLY USE THAT IN THEIR BUSINESS.
THIS SPECIFIC HOME IS GOING TO BE THE OWNER'S PERSONAL RESIDENCE, UH, OUT ON THEIR, UH, THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY LIVE ON THE SAME GROUNDS AS THEIR WEDDING VENUE.
THANK MR. CANDIDATE, UH, MS. CONTRERAS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING MORE TO ADD? UM, I DID ACTUALLY.
I HAVE A COUPLE, A COUPLE POINTS.
UM, SO STAFF IS FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THE STONE ON THIS HOUSE IS ORIGINAL.
UM, IT MATCHES, UM, A STYLE OF HOUSE IN AUSTIN.
THAT'S, UM, THAT'S PRETTY COMMONLY FOUND WITH THIS KIND OF, UH, OF FLAGSTONE VENEER, UM, FOR THIS ERA.
UM, AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF COMMISSIONER FEATHERSTONE AND POPOVICH, WILL YOU, UM, WANT TO, UH, PERHAPS INCLUDE A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE AND THEIR MOTION, UM, FOR APPROVING THE RELOCATION? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
SORRY, SORRY FOR THAT OMISSION.
COMMISSIONER, MS. MEYER OR COMMISSIONER, I FEEL BY EITHER NAME, UM, I'D BE WILLING TO BET THIS IS THE, THIS STONE IS ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, BUT WE CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT PRETTY EASILY.
SO I WOULDN'T SUPPORT AN ALTERNATE MOTION TO POSTPONE IT FOR 30 DAYS, UM, TO SEE IF THERE'S MORE INFORMATION ON THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, WHO IS, I BELIEVE IT'S VERY PROMINENT IN AUSTIN, UH, AS TO WHAT PART OF HIS CAREER IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE, UM, WITH HIS OCCUPANCY OF THE HOUSE.
AND ALSO IF THE STONE IS ORIGINAL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MYERS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF NOT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE RELOCATION OF THE HOUSE WITH THE INCLUSION OF A DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE HAVE FOUR OPPOSED, UH, SIX IN FAVOR THAT MOTION PASSES.
[D4. HDP-2020-0258 – Discussion 2501 Sol Wilson Avenue Council District 1 Proposal: Demolish a ca. 1921 house. Applicant: Juan Martinez City Staff: Steve Sadowsky, Historic Preservation Office, 974-6454 Staff Recommendation: Postpone to August 24, 2020 to fully assess the significance of Sol I. and Mabel Wilson.]
OUR LAST CASE OF THE EVENING BEFORE 25 OH ONE SOUL WILSON AVENUE.LET ME ASK, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE? ANYBODY ON THE LINE, MR. SANDUSKY? I KNOW THERE WAS NO ONE ON THE LIST TO SIGN UP TO SPEAK ON THIS CASE.
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OKAY.WELL, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION HERE IS TO POSTPONE, UH, TO AUGUST.
THIS, UH, RESEARCH HAS FOUND HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS WAS THE HOME OF SAUL WILSON FOR WHOM THE STREET IS NAMED, UH, SUBDIVISION IS NAMED, AND WE DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ELSE ABOUT HIM.
HE, UM, HE LIVED IN AUSTIN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
HE WORKED AS A PORTER FOR SOME, UH, AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS DOWNTOWN, AND THEN HE MOVED TO LOS ANGELES WITH HIS WIFE.
AND SO WE ARE STILL TRYING TO TRACK DOWN INFORMATION.
WE'VE GOT FEELERS OUT TO VARIOUS PEOPLE AND ORGANIZATIONS, UH, BUT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A POSTPONEMENT OF THIS CASE SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THAT INVESTIGATION AND PRESENT YOU WITH, UH, THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE A GOOD DECISION.
ARE THERE QUESTIONS, IF NO QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THIS CASE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO POST ON MY CASE FOR OUR AUGUST MEETING TO GET STAFF TO INVESTIGATE THE SIGNIFICANCE.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER LITTLE, DO I HAVE A SECOND COMMISSIONER MYERS? THANK YOU.
IS THERE A DISCUSSION ON THIS CASE HAS SOME INTEGRITY ISSUES.
SO I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD OF DINING IS PROBABLY FLOODED, BUT I FEEL LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AT HAND BEFORE MAKING THAT DECISION.
I'VE GOT A FRIEND THAT LIVES KIND OF CATTY CORNER OF HIS HOUSE.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE HOUSE, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED BEFORE WE CAN.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, LITTLE COMMISSIONER MYERS.
I THINK THAT THERE'S CERTAINLY A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THERE'S COMMUNITY VALUES, SINCE SUBDIVISION IS NAMED FOR SAUL WILSON AND THE STREET IS NAMED FOR SAUL WILSON.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT SAW WILSON HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I WOULD, UM, I SUPPORT, YEAH.
IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE WILL TAKE A VOTE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING TO OUR AUGUST MEETING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
WE HAVE, UH, THREE OPPOSED COMMISSIONER
COMMISSIONER, PAPA BASILLIO AND COMMISSIONER JACOB ARE OPPOSED.
IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, SO THE VOTE CARRIES EIGHT TO TWO.
UM, OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS, UH, MR. SEDOWSKY, CAN WE MOVE ON TO THE, UM, HE REPORTS
[4C. Discussion and Possible Action on Annual HLC Report to the City Clerk]
TO DISCUSS THAT ORDER OF BUSINESS, YOUR ANNUAL HLC REPORT TO THE CITY CLERK ITEM FORESEE? YES, THIS IS, UH, THE REPORT THAT WE PREPARE EVERY YEAR FOR THE CLERK.UH, BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ACHIEVEMENTS OF THE COMMISSION OVER THE PAST FISCAL YEAR, AND THEN, UH, ALSO SETTING OUT PRIORITIES AND A WORK PLAN FOR THE COMING YEAR.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY STANDARD DOCUMENT THAT WE PRODUCE EVERY YEAR, JUST UPDATING THE INFORMATION BECAUSE THE TEMPLATES AND THE INFORMATION IS SET BY THE CLERK.
SO, UH, I'M HAPPY THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT AND, UH, WELCOME ANY SUGGESTIONS.
WE DID NEED TO FOUND THIS BY THE END OF THIS WEEK BY JULY 31ST.
I JUST WANTED TO OFFER, UM, A MAYBE I GUESS JUST A POINT OF DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, ITEM NUMBER THREE, THE LISTS, THE BOARD'S GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE NEW CALENDAR YEAR.
I KNOW ON THE PRESERVATION PLANNING COMMITTEE WE'VE DISCUSSED, UM, TAKING A LOOK AT A PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UM, AS OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A GOAL FOR NEXT YEAR OR NOT GIVEN, UM, BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION, IF MY, UH, FELLOW PRESERVATION PLANNING COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE ANY, UH, INPUT ON THAT, MR. MEYERS SAY WE WERE TAKING UP A PRESERVATION
[03:15:01]
ORDINANCE, IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WE'VE ALREADY CLARIFIED? AND MAYBE LATRON CAN, CAN SPEAK TO THIS AS WELL.I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS, UM, IN OUR ACTION PLAN, THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS WAS GOING TO BE TO TAKE UP THE REVIEW OF OUR CURRENT PRESERVATION ORDINANCE, UM, AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE DID FOR THE CITYWIDE DESIGN STANDARDS.
THE COMMISSION HAD WHAT MIGHT BE WORTH NOTING.
THE ANNUAL REPORT IS MAYBE MENTIONING THAT COMMISSION'S BUDGET MADE TO THE COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC.
SO LOTS OF THINGS HAVE SHIFTED, UM, BUT THAT DID INCLUDE A REQUEST FOR FUNDING TO DEVELOP A NEW CITYWIDE PRESERVATION PLAN AND ASSOCIATED ORDINANCE REWRITE.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO NOTE AS A PRIORITY OF THE COMMISSION UNDER, UM, THEM EVEN UNDER NUMBER THREE ON PAGE TWO.
UM, UNDER THAT FIRST SECTION 1.3.
UM, AND I DO, I KNOW THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE HAS DISCUSSED THE NEED FOR A NEW PRESERVATION PLAN.
YOU KNOW, AN UPDATE FROM A REASONABLE UPDATE FROM 1981.
AND STAFF HAS BEEN DISCUSSING IN CERTAIN, VERY GENERAL TERMS. WHAT, WHAT A PHASE ONE MIGHT LOOK LIKE BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S NOT, UH, THERE'S NO EXTRA MONEY IN THE CITY BUDGET THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT THAT THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO AND WHAT THE COMMITTEE COULD DO AND POSSIBLY WHAT A WORKING GROUP COULD DO TO MAKE, UH, TO BEGIN ADVANCING THAT, THAT LARGE PROJECT.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION OR DID I JUST TALK AROUND THE QUESTION AND COME BACK EXACTLY TO WHERE YOU LEFT IT? I DIDN'T CARE.
I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS DOCUMENT IS, IS REALLY REFLECTING THE DIRECTION, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, YOU KNOW, WANTS TO MOVE IN THE, IN THE FUTURE AS WELL AS DOCUMENTING WHAT WE'VE DONE OVER THE PAST YEAR.
SO I THINK REFLECTING THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW DUE TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, WE WON'T PROBABLY BE ABLE TO MEET THAT OBJECTIVE AS, AS WE HAD HOPED.
I THINK JUST HAVING IT, UM, WITHIN THE DOCUMENT AS A GOAL, UM, IS, IS GOOD TO, TO JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF THAT GOAL FOR, UH, FUTURE COMMISSIONS.
WELL, AND LET ME, LET ME ADD, UH, THE OTHER MEMO THAT'S BEEN ATTACHED, UH, WHICH IS A FOLLOWUP ON, UH, COMMISSIONER BALANCE, WAYLON MY REQUEST ABOUT THE BASE ZONING AND HOW IN PARTICULAR, SOME OF WHAT WE JUST EXPERIENCED TONIGHT, UH, MAJOR ECONOMIC PRESSURES, WHICH ARE JEOPARDIZING THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY, PROBABLY MORE SO THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS HISTORIC, UH, STATUS AND THE BASE ZONING AND WHAT OBVIOUSLY THE MARKET WOULD POTENTIALLY PUT, UH, AS ECONOMIC PRESSURES ON THOSE PROPERTIES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE, AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, WE MAY ALSO AT LEAST MAKE A BEGINNING REFERENCE TO THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE BASE DISTRICTS, THE ACTUAL USE OF THE PROPERTY, AND THEN ANY OTHER TOOLS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE TO ENHANCE OUR ABILITY TO PRESERVE THESE PROPERTIES.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADD TO THIS MEMO AS WELL, TO THIS REPORT, ANNUAL REPORT, MR.
AND I'M WONDERING IF, UM, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN ADDITION TO MAKING THE REQUESTED EDITS, IF IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO ADD THE HPLCS BUDGET RECOMMENDATION AS AN ATTACHMENT, JUST THAT CAUSE I THINK THAT ALSO THAT PRETTY CLEARLY STATES THE COMMISSION'S PRIORITIES, EVEN, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT HAPPEN WITH SOME SORT OF CAVEAT, BUT THAT DEPENDS EMMETT HAS CHANGED THE CITY'S FINANCIAL SITUATION, BUT THAT THESE, THESE HAVE BEEN ARTICULATED AS PRIORITIES BY THE COMMISSION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS REPORT? ANY ADDITIONAL REQUESTS? I'LL JUST SUGGEST A QUICK CHECK.
I NOTICED A FEW TYPOS IN THERE.
I'M SURE IT WAS IN A HURRY, BUT THE ACTUAL LIGHTING, THEY SLIPPED THEM IN THERE FOR YOU, KEVIN, JUST TO BE SAFE IF YOU WERE READING, I GUESS IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE DOCUMENT, WE CAN MOVE ON TO
[4A. Discussion and Possible Action on Committee Reports 1. Certificate of Appropriateness Review Committee 2. Operations Committee 3. Grants Committee 4. Preservation Plan Committee]
COMMITTEE REPORTS AND I'M NOT SURE HOW DISCUSSION OF THE LAND USE MEMO THAT WAS SENT OUT.I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WAS REALLY SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT ON OUR AGENDA.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS AS WELL.
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MR. MEYERS, ARE YOU READY FOR COMMITTEE REPORTS? YES.UM, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE MET, UM, ALL MEMBERS WERE, UH, COMMISSIONER BELEN SUELA, UM, COMMISSIONER COOK AND MYSELF WERE AVAILABLE FOR OUR FIRST EVER, UM, MEETING.
AND WE SAW SOME OF THE RESULTS OF THAT TONIGHT.
AND WE ALSO SAW SOME POSTPONEMENTS THAT WERE PROBABLY A RESULT OF THAT TONIGHT.
COMMISSIONER MYERS, HAVE ANY OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES MET AND WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A REPORT? MISSIONER LITTLE YOU'RE ON MUTE.
I FORGOT I HAVE TO PUSH IT TWICE.
UM, AND I DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE REPORT, BUT I'D LIKE TO REQUEST FROM STAFF THAT THEY SCHEDULE A MEETING OF THE OPERATIONS.
MANY OF THE COMMISSION THINKS THAT MAKES SENSE.
I'M HOPING THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE TO ESTABLISH GUIDANCE FOR TOWER ADDITION LANDMARKS, THE PROJECT ON LAVACA AT 1415 OF ASSETS, THE SECOND SUCH PROJECT ROUTINE IN THE LAST YEAR.
AND I THINK IT'S LIKELY WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE COMING THROUGH.
AND I THINK SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION SUCH AS MYSELF, A PROJECT LIKE THAT IS NOT GOING TO MEET THE STANDARDS IN IT.
WHEREAS OTHER COMMISSIONERS, I THINK CATHERINE MORE FLEXIBLE OPINION, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES.
AND I, I FEEL THERE'S A BETTER WAY WE COULD BE HANDLING THESE AND HAVING APPLICANTS COME BEFORE US FOR AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION AND THEN WORKING WITH THE ARCHITECTURE MANY TO REVISE AND TWEAK THE DESIGN FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE SOME OF US ON THE COMMITTEE THAT JUST FROM THE START, THERE'S NO AROUND THE CHRISTIAN THAT ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE TO APPROVE A PROJECT LIKE THAT.
BUT I THINK THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE COULD POSSIBLY LOOK AT SOME BEST PRACTICES OR DEVELOP AN APPROACH TO THAT THAT MIGHT REVOICE LEADING MATH LESSONS THROUGH A DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS FOR SOMETHING THAT FOR SOME OF US, THIS WAS A NON STARTER.
UM, IT'S ABOUT I HAD TODAY WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS ON THE LOCKER SUPPORT, TAKING THAT UP IN THE OPERATIONS COMMITTEE AND JUST GIVING SOME GUIDANCE.
I MEAN, UM, COMMISSIONER, A LITTLE ONE, I MIGHT BE ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE ULTIMATE GOAL, BUT I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW IT IS VERY HAPHAZARD IN THE WAY THAT APPLICANTS HAVE TO COME BEFORE US AND SORT OF LIKE, UM, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S JUST, YEAH, THERE'S NO WELL-CONCEIVED AT THE MOMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING THE BEST RESULTS AND THEY'RE EITHER ARE THEY? I THINK THE ANTICIPATION IS GOOD.
HAVING PEOPLE COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION FOR AN INFORMATIONAL SESSION TO TALK ABOUT THEIR PROJECTS, BUT IT'S, IT'S HARD FOR COMMISSIONERS THAT PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL FEEDBACK WHEN IT'S NOT A VOTING ITEM THERE'S OF APPROPRIATENESS ON THE LINE AND WE'RE SEEING VERY PRELIMINARY PHASES OF THINGS.
UM, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF STAFF COULD DO KIND OF A CURSORY AUDIT OF HISTORIC LANDMARKS.
SO THERE'S ZONES FOR MARSHALL'S SO WE COULD KNOW HOW MANY OF THESE TYPES OF BUILDINGS WE COULD BE LOOKING AT AND GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE ISSUE.
I THINK THAT THAT IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ANALYSIS WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO ABOUT THE BASE ZONING.
AND, UH, AND I'LL LET ME JUST REINFORCE THAT AS AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN, UH, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO RAISE AT THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION AND I THINK THERE'S AN INCREASING REALIZATION THAT, UH, MANY OF THESE STRUCTURES IN THE CENTRAL CITY ARE KNOW, W YOU JUST START LINING UP THE NEXT ONE.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY GETTING TO THE MAPS IN TOWN'S DISCUSSION OF, OF THE PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS, BUT I DID WANT TO SAY, UM, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR REQUEST COMMISSIONER LITTLE THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING MR.
UM, AND SO I'LL LET HIM HANDLE THE LOGISTICS, BUT I DID WANT TO, JUST TO INTERJECT THAT, THAT OUR ABILITY TO SCHEDULE COMMITTEE MEETINGS RIGHT NOW IS LIMITED TO A PRETTY NARROW DEFINITION OF ESSENTIAL.
SO BECAUSE WE ARE RELYING ON THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND ON VERY LIMITED WEBEX SPOTS TO HOLD THOSE COMMITTEE.
SO THAT'S JUST TO SAY THAT, UM, THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT STAFF CAN WORK ON, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS, WE ARE, WE WERE MADE IN AN UNUSUAL TIME, SO YEAH, WE WILL DO THAT AS POSSIBLE.
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TO PUT IT OUT THERE WHILE I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT.[4B. Future Agenda Items]
US TO DISCUSS THE COMPARISON OF BASE ZONING AND CURRENT LAND USE MEMO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, WOULD IT, WOULD IT BE CONSIDERED PART OF FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS?NO, YOU GO AHEAD GO YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THING.
OH, I WAS JUST GONNA MENTION THAT, UM, THIS IS, UM, A FOLLOW UP TO LAST MONTH REQUEST, UM, BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER HINDSIGHT AND, UM, MR. VALANZUELA, UM, WE WILL PROBABLY NEED TO DISCUSS IT IN FUTURE, UM, GIVEN, UH, GIVEN THE OUTCOME OF, OF WHAT YOU GUYS DECIDE.
UM, BUT I'M ALSO HAPPY TO, UM, DISCUSS BY EMAIL OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY OTHER WAY THAT YOU GUYS, UH, PREFER IF YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME TIME TO LOOK OVER THE MEMO AND THE DATA.
WELL, IF IT'S APPROPRIATE AND WE CAN AT LEAST, UH, OFFER SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS, I GUESS, UH, PERHAPS, UH, MADAM CHAIR, THIS WOULD ALL BE UNDER THE, UH, UM, THE REPORT OF THE, UH, UH, UH, THE, THE COMMISSION'S REQUIREMENT FOR, UM, THE, THE, UH, FILING OF OUR ANNUAL REPORT.
SO, UH, SINCE WE'VE ALREADY OPENED THAT CONVERSATION, LET ME JUST SUGGEST THAT, UH, BASED ON WHAT COMMISSIONER LITTLE WAS TALKING ABOUT, IT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING AS WELL, UM, THAT WE MIGHT PRIORITIZE YOUR EFFORTS TO BOTH COMMERCIAL ZONING AND, UH, PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, OR AT LEAST THE GENERAL CENTRAL AREA.
NOW, AS SOON AS I SAY THAT, I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF THE CASES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WERE RESIDENTIAL, AND EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE SF ZONED, THEY WERE CONTAINING, UH, MORE MODEST HOUSES ON LARGER LOTS, WHICH WOULD THEN BE THREATENED BECAUSE OF PROPERTY VALUES RISING.
I ALMOST THINK THAT'S, IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ISSUE BECAUSE THE SCALE IS SO DIFFERENT.
SO I WOULD AT LEAST, UH, IN ANSWER TO THE DISCUSSION POINT THAT RAISED IN THE MEMO, UH, WHICH OF THOSE PRIORITIES WOULD WE SUGGEST? UH, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY SUGGESTION, UH, START WITH COMMERCIAL AND REALLY PRIORITIZE THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
DID YOU COME IN, WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO OTHER DIRECTION AS WELL.
UM, ESTABLISHING ADDITIONAL LOCATION OR, UM, OVERLAY ZONING PARAMETERS, ANYTHING ELSE, UM, THAT YOU ALL THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL TO YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS? UM, WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO, UM, TO AMENDING THAT AS I COULD ADD THAT THE STAFF MAY ALSO BE AWARE OF SOME OF THE PATTERNS OF AREAS THAT WE KEEP HAVING CASES SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE WAVE TENDS TO HIT OR IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE VALUES ARE RISING, UH, DISPROPORTIONATELY.
AND SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO IN STATING WHAT I INITIALLY THOUGHT WAS THE HIGHER PRIORITY, UH, THE IMPORTANCE PERHAPS OF SOME OF THESE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, BUT I CAN APPRECIATE THAT YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING ALL AT ONCE.
I DEFINITELY MET ON THE FENCE.
I KNOW, UH, I THINK THE BIGGEST THREAT TO, UH, OUR HISTORIC LANDMARKS WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UM, THAT PROBABLY IS THE BIGGEST THREAT THAT WE SEE RIGHT NOW.
UM, BUT I MEAN, CASE AFTER CASE MONTH AFTER MONTH, WE'RE SEEING, UM, HOUSES THAT ARE NOT ABLE TO REALIZE THEIR FULL POTENTIAL.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION TO SAY, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY FOR ME, MISSIONARY PILOT.
UH, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA, UH, LIKE SOUTH OF 15TH STREET BETWEEN, UH, LAMAR AND, UM, LIKE WATERLOO, NONE OF THE RIVER OLDER, THE ORIGINAL AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES DOWN THERE THAT THEY'RE UNDERLYING,
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UH, THE BASE DISTRICTS ARE GEO RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY COULD EASILY BE, THERE'S A DOWNTOWN AUSTIN PLAN AND THEY RECOMMEND THEM GOING UP THE DMU.I THINK I AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT IF WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE, WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT HAVE CBD OR DMU, BUT THERE'S ALSO HISTORIC PROPERTIES THAT HAD GEO IN THAT AREA.
SO LISTEN UP, IT'S NOT LIMITED TO STAFF PROBABLY DON'T LIMIT IT EXACTLY THAT WAY.
MAYBE GO BETWEEN, SAY, YOU KNOW, LAMAR AND GUADALUPE FROM THE RIVER UP TO THE CAMPUS, EVEN BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROPERTIES BACK IN THROUGH THERE THAT ARE LIKE GEO OR OTHER OTHER, THEY'RE NOT QUITE DMU, BUT, UH, THE POTENTIAL DOWN THERE IS, I MEAN, IT'S ALL MONEY AND, AND IT, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO JUST, OKAY, I'LL PAY THE, PAY THE PRICE TO TAKE THE HISTORIC ZONING OFF THE PROPERTY AND WE'LL TAKE IT DOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
UH, IT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT THEY THEY'VE JUST DONE A SURVEY IN THAT AREA.
AND SO AT LEAST BY, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE BUYING INTO THAT AREA, YOU HAVE AN IDEA THAT YOU'RE BUYING INTO SOMETHING THAT'S IS STORED, UH, POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY HISTORIC OR EVEN MARKED HISTORIC.
YOU SHOULD OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT THEY, BUT WE MIGHT EXPECT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, I THINK WE COULD EXPAND THE ZONING DISTRICTS.
SO MR. MYERS, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER TELE.
UM, I THINK SOME OF THE, WE LOOKED AT THE MASONIC LODGE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY ON LAVACA NOW, AS FAR AS THESE, UH, HIGH RISE, UH, RESOURCES, BUT IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO, UM, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, LARGE ADDITIONS ON PROPERTIES IN THE, IN THE UNIVERSITY AREA.
AND THEN GOING BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE, UM, WITH THE GOLD DOLLAR BUILDING, UM, AND THE, THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT WENT UP AND OVER THE TOP OF THAT, UM, I THINK THAT THAT AREA IN UNIVERSITY, UH, THEY'RE KIND OF PLAYING FAST AND LOOSE WITH, UM, HISTORIC PROPERTIES.
I HAVEN'T PUT TOO MUCH THOUGHT TO THIS AND I'M SORRY IF I MISSED SOMETHING ALONG THE WAY, BUT THE WEST CAMPUS HAS BEEN MENTIONED, UH, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR CORRIDORS 11TH STREET, 12TH STREET CORRIDOR FIRST AND SIX.
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SECOND RECOMMENDATION TO ELIMINATE ALL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES WHERE ZONING AND USER COMPATIBLE AND SEE WHAT'S LEFT MIGHT, MIGHT BE A GOOD START TO SEE IF IT'S MANAGEABLE ONCE THAT'S DONE, BECAUSE IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WHERE WE ARE A DECLINING YEAH.
I THINK PEOPLE MAY WANT TO TURN THEM DOWN AND BUILD BIGGER HOUSES, BUT THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE POTENTIAL FOR THE PROPERTY AND THE NATURE OF THE LANDMARK THAT SITS ON IT.
I GUESS, JUST TO SUMMARIZE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UM, WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT LARGER AREA THAN JUST THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TO INCLUDE ALL THE WAY UP TO CAMPUS.
UM, AND IN DOWN, UM, OUR CORRIDORS THERE JUST NORTH OF DOWNTOWN, UM, AND ALSO TO, UM, ELIMINATE THOSE, UH, PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR USES.
IS THAT CORRECT? DID I CAPTURE EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS? I WOULD SAY CORRIDORS AS WELL.
I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, STAFF'S EFFORTS AND STARTING THIS PROCESS FOR US.
I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP US PLAN FOR THE FUTURE AND, UM, JUST HELP, HELP KEEP THOSE CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD, IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, UM, MOVING FORWARD AFTER THE MEETING.
UM, IF YOU THINK OF SOMETHING, UM, AFTERWARDS THAT YOU WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ON THIS MAP, UM, PLEASE DO REACH OUT TO US, UM, AND WE WILL TRY OUR BEST TO, TO GET IT ON THERE.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? I FEEL LIKE, UM, WE, WE ARE ABOUT TO HIT OUR 10 O'CLOCK MARK SOMETHING,
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THESE MEETINGS I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS.OTHERWISE WE CAN ADJOURN FOR THE EVENING BETTER, RIGHT NEXT TIME.