* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:12] HOW DOES SILENCE THE REST OF THE HOUSEHOLD. OKAY. UM, GOOD EVENING. UH, [ Reading of the Agenda: Call to Order] TODAY IS AUGUST 24TH AND 6:01 PM. I'M EMILY REED, CHAIR OF LANDMARK COMMISSION. AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. I WILL BEGIN BY CALLING ROLE, UM, THAT FELONS WILLA W FEATHERSTON. YEAH. AND JOSE HERE AT THE JACOB, KEVIN COOK MCWHORTER HERE. HEY, MYERS, ALEX PUPPET. CECILIO. I HEARD BLAKE. IT SAYS HERE SOMEWHERE. ALEX, ARE YOU WITH US? OKAY. HE WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH HIS AUDIO. OKAY. YEAH. I DON'T SEE HIM, UH, CONNECTED AT THE MOMENT. WE'VE STILL GOT, UM, WE'RE UM, LET'S SEE. ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. WE HAVE ALEX THAT'S EIGHT. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO START BY READING THE CONSENT AGENDA. UM, AND THEN WE WILL DO CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS. I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT TWO POSTPONEMENTS THAT WERE APPLICANT REQUESTED. UM, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BRIEFING. THEN WE WILL GO INTO PUBLIC TESTIMONY. UM, THEN WE WILL PROBABLY MAKE A MOTION ON THE GRANTS THAT ARE PRESENTED IN THE BRIEFING. UH, AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO OUR DISCUSSION CASES. UM, SO ITEMS ON THE CONSENT [ Consent Agenda: 1, B1, B6, C1, C2, C5, D2, D4] AGENDA ARE THE, UH, JULY 27TH, UM, MEETING MINUTES, UM, ITEM B ONE SIX, 11 WEST 22ND STREET ITEM BEFORE EIGHT OH NINE EAST NINTH STREET, SEVEN 10, I'M SORRY. ITEM B FIVE, SEVEN, 10 EAST 41ST STREET. OKAY. THAT WAS SEVEN, 10 EAST 41ST. YES. LET ME, LET ME ASK. I THINK WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION, UH, ON BEFORE, UH, BRUTON ALVAREZ LOPEZ HOUSE. SO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT. OKAY. UM, THE SIX, UH, 38 OH TWO AVENUE, G C ONE 26 OH SEVEN MCCALLUM DRIVE, C TWO 33 13 BREAKER DRIVE, C3 THREE 19 TO THREE 23 EAST SIX. I WANT TO PULL THAT ONE. OKAY. THE FIVE 13, 17 WESTOVER, D TWO 25 OH ONE SOUL WILSON, THE THREE EIGHT 15 RUTHERFORD PLACE AND 1200 FOR ALTA VISTA PULL EIGHT, 15 RATHER OCCURRED. AND 1204 OFTEN DOES STA. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO POSTPONE THOSE SEVEN. OKAY. UH, D PHI THE POSTPONEMENT, EXCUSE ME. THE POSTPONEMENT FOR EIGHT 15 RUTHERFORD. SORRY, WHO'S SPEAKING. MY NAME'S HOON KIM. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. IF YOU CAN, UM, HOLD YOUR COMMENTS. UM, THE MOTION WAS [00:05:01] TO PULL IT FOR DISCUSSION AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING, UM, WHAT TO DO. IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND IT'S NOW BEEN PULLED FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS 1405 KENT LANE, AND THAT WAS THE LAST, UM, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM. SO TO READ THOSE BACK MINUS THE ONES THAT WE PULLED THAT IS THE JULY 27 MINUTES. UM, AESICS C ONE C TWO C FIVE D TWO D FOUR. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. UM, MEYER AND VALANCE LAYLA, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AS OPPOSED. AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER POPOVA CELIO AND JACOB. SO WE ARE NINE. UM, THAT MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAD, UM, TWO ITEMS THAT WERE REQUESTED [ Postponed Items: A3, D6] TO BE POSTPONED BY THE APPLICANT, A THREE 25 OH TWO PARK VIEW AND D SIX 47 14 ROWENA. UH, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO POSTPONE THOSE CASES, UM, TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. SO MOVED AND I'LL SECOND, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO. OKAY. UM, AND THEN OUR NEXT ITEM IS GOING TO BE THE BRIEFING. AND I JUST WANTED TO REMIND, UM, THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE FOLKS ON THE LINE. UM, THE WAY THIS WILL WORK IS AFTER THE, UM, BRIEFING. AND WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY. THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY WILL REALLY BE THE ONLY CHANCE THAT YOU HAVE TO, UM, MAKE YOUR CARROTS, UH, IF YOU'RE AN APPLICANT AND IF YOU'VE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO, UM, PLEASE, UH, THINK OF ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE DURING THIS POINT IN THE MEETING. IT CAN GET DISRUPTIVE IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK, UM, AND, AND TALK TO THOSE FOLKS, UM, DURING THE DISCUSSION OF THE CASE, AND WE'D RATHER NOT DO THAT. SO, UM, AND THOSE FOLKS WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED UNLESS, UM, I CALL ON THEM AS CHAIR. SO, UH, PLEASE RESPECT THE MEETING AND YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AT THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY, UH, KNOWING THAT THAT'LL BE YOUR, YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THAT CASE. YES, THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL MOVE ALONG TO [2. PRESENTATIONS, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE ACTION] THE BRIEFING. UM, MELISSA ALVARADO IS HERE FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE HERITAGE GRANT. THIS IS MELISSA ALVARADO HERITAGE FOR THEM DIVISION MANAGER, WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY ELSE CAN. NO, WE DIDN'T LOSE AUDIO. HANG ON JUST A SECOND, MELISSA, ARE YOU STILL THERE? YES, I'M HERE. OKAY. YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. WE'VE GOT IT PULLED UP IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. OKAY, GREAT. IF YOU'RE WATCHING IT FROM THE TV, THERE'S ABOUT A 32ND TO A MINUTE DELAY, SO PLEASE DO NOT WATCH THE TV. OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. UM, SO, SO I WANTED TO, UH, BEGIN, UH, BY PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON THE CURRENT INITIATIVE THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS PURSUING WITH AN EXTERNAL CONTRACTOR BY THE NAME OF MJR PARTNERS. UH, THEY ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH US AND THE HERITAGE TOURISM DIVISION, THE MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT AND CULTURAL ARTS DIVISIONS, UH, TO CREATE A UNIFIED UNDERSTANDING [00:10:01] OF THE PERIMETERS OF THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS AND, UM, AND RECEIVE AND RESPOND TO PUBLIC INPUT THAT WILL STRENGTHEN THE ALLOCATION PROCESSES ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT. THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE'RE COMMITTED TO ACHIEVING RACIAL EQUITY AND EQUAL ACCESS TO FUNDING AND SERVICES AND KNOWLEDGE BUILDING TO ENSURE THAT RESIDENT AND VISITING AUDIENCES ARE ABLE TO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE CULTURAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN THE CITY. OUR GOAL IS TO AUTOMATE, AUGMENT AND STRENGTHEN PRACTICES THAT LEAD US TO EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE, AND EQUITABLE PRACTICES. AND I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE STAFF TO SCHEDULE TIME ON YOUR AGENDA IN SEPTEMBER FOR AN UPDATE BY OUR CONSULTANT, MARGIE REESE, WITH MJR OUR PARTNERS FOR YOUR INPUT AND FEEDBACK ON THIS PROCESS OF INPUT IS HIGHLY HONORED. AND WITH THAT, I WILL BEGIN MY PRESENTATION. NEXT SLIDE. PLEASE. CAN YOU ADVANCE THE SLIDE PLEASE? YEAH. SO AS SOON AS YOU SAY NEXT SLIDE OR THE SLIDE NUMBER, WE WILL HAVE IT UP ON THE SCREEN FOR THE COMMISSIONERS AND FOR THE ATX AND FEED. BUT LIKE I SAID, THERE WILL BE A DELAY, SO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IT AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU SAY, OKAY, SO THE PURPOSE OF THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM IS TO PROMOTE TOURISM THROUGH PRESERVATION RESTORATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS OR PLANNING, EDUCATIONAL AND MARKETING PROJECTS TIED TO A HISTORIC BUILDING. THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THE FUNDING TO BE USED TO PROMOTE TOURISM AND THE CONVENTION AND HOTEL INDUSTRIES. IT ALSO REQUIRES THE GRANTS TO BE AWARDED TO PROJECTS THAT ARE EITHER THE VICINITY OF THE CONVENTION CENTER OR IN A LOCATION WITHIN THE CITY REASONABLY LIKELY TO BE VISITED BY TOURISTS AND CONVENTION DELEGATES. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. IN THE NEXT DAYS, I WILL BE PROVIDING A BROAD OVERVIEW OF THE ENGAGEMENT TIMELINE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM LAUNCHED IN ORIGINALLY LAUNCHED IN EARLY MARCH 1ST, MONDAY OF MARCH. AND APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS LATER, WE DECIDED TO PAUSE THE PROGRAM, GIVEN THE WORK FROM HOME ORDERS AND, UM, ALL OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS RELATED TO THE PANDEMIC. UH, WE THEN SUBSEQUENTLY RELAUNCH THE PROGRAM IN MAY AND HAD THE APPLICATION PROCESS OPEN FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS. WE PIVOTED ALL OF OUR OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT WITHIN A TWO WEEK PERIOD TO OFFER VIRTUAL INFORMATION SESSIONS, VIRTUAL OFFICE HOURS, ONE-ON-ONE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE BY EITHER PHONE OR VIA VIRTUAL MEETING. UH, WE RELIED SIGNIFICANTLY ON, UM, A ROBUST NEWSLETTER AND SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGN TO ENGAGE INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE NOT FAMILIAR WITH OUR PROCESS OR OUR PROGRAM. UH, WE THEN SUBSEQUENTLY CONDUCTED INTERNAL PEER REVIEW PANELS AND EXTERNAL PEER REVIEW PANEL. AND, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, WE WILL BE MOVING, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS FORWARD TO COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, UM, ON SEPTEMBER 17. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AS A RESULT OF THE LAUNCH OF THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAM, WE SAW 24 TOTAL APPLICATIONS RECEIVED REQUESTING APPROXIMATELY $2.6 MILLION IN FUNDING. UH, WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF AFRICAN LATINO, HISPANIC, ASIAN, AND NATIVE AMERICAN APPLICANTS RISE BY 16. UM, I'M SORRY, BY 13 PERCENTAGE POINTS. UM, A LARGE MAJORITY OF THE APPLICANTS WERE IN FACT NONPROFIT AND REALLY NO SURPRISE TO US. WE DID SEE MORE MARKETING, EDUCATIONAL AND PLANNING RELATED PROJECTS, UH, THIS YEAR, UH, IN COMPARISON TO LAST YEAR. UM, QUICKLY BEFORE WE, UH, DECIDED TO PAUSE THE APPLICATION PROCESS, I WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH THE PARKS AND RECREATION AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION STAFF. AND WE ASSEMBLED A SHORT LIST OF RECOMMENDED PROJECTS THAT COULD STILL MEET THE APPLICANT NEEDS EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, [00:15:04] AFTER THE APPLICATION DEADLINE AND INTERDEPARTMENTAL TEAM, INCLUDING LAW, BECAUSE STORK PRESERVATION, OFFICE PARKS AND RECREATION, THE EQUITY OFFICE AND MEMBERS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE VALUE EVALUATED APPLICATIONS TO ENSURE THAT EACH PROPOSED PROJECT MET THE STATE STATUTE ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA WITH THE LAUNCH OF THE HERITAGE GRANT PROGRAMS, A GREAT EMPHASIS WAS PLACED IN THE AREAS OF TOURISM AND PRESERVATION IMPACT. AS PART OF THE EXTERNAL PEER REVIEW TEAM. WE DID HAVE A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ASSIST US IN THAT EFFORT AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS INCLUDED PAMELA OWEN'S ACTING EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SIX SQUARE, JUSTIN GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE TEXAS HOTEL LODGING ASSOCIATION, LINDSEY BARRINGTON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR PRESERVATION AUSTIN WITH FEATHERSTON HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION GRANTS COMMITTEE, STEVE GENEVESE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT OF VISIT AUSTIN DAVID LANG, DIRECTOR OF HOTEL OPERATIONS FOR NEW WATERLOO KELLY, LITTLE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION GRANTS COMMITTEE, AND EMILY REED, HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION CLAMPS COMMITTEE. NEXT SLIDE PLANTS. THE NEXT FEW SLIDES PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE APPLICANT, THE DISTRICT AND THE PROPOSAL 19 OUT OF THE 24 APPLICATIONS WERE RECOMMENDED AFTER THE TWO PEER REVIEW PANELS FOR CONSIDERATION FOR FUNDING. THAT LIST INCLUDES EIGHT TOTAL CAPITAL PROJECTS AND 11 MARKETING EDUCATIONAL AND MARKETING PROJECTS. ALL PROJECTS RESIDE WITHIN COUNCIL DISTRICTS, ONE THREE EIGHT, NINE, AND 10. THIS FIRST SLIDE INCLUDES ALL CAPITAL PROJECTS PROPOSED FOR FUNDING ALONG WITH A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE, UM, PROPOSAL. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THE FOLLOWING TWO SLIDES INCLUDE MARKETING EDUCATIONAL PLANNING TYPE PROJECTS. WE DID SEE AN INCREASE IN TOUR DEVELOPMENT, UM, WHICH WAS, UM, NOT REALLY A SURPRISE, BUT, BUT IS WELCOMED, UM, AND, AND SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM LAST YEAR. SO WE WILL WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH VISIT AUSTIN TO ENSURE THAT OBJECTIVES AND GOALS RELATED TO THESE NEW TORE DEVELOPMENT OFFERINGS ARE IN LINE AND SUPPORT WHAT VISIT AUSTIN IS CURRENTLY DOING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE MARKETING EDUCATIONAL AND PLANNING PROJECTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND THIS ROUNDS OUT OUR, UM, LIST OF MARKETING EDUCATIONAL AND PLANNING PROJECTS. AGAIN, A COMPLETE LIST OF THIS COMPLETE LIST OF RECOMMENDED HERITAGE GRANT PROPOSALS. UM, PLUS A RECOMMENDED FUNDING WILL BE SUBMITTED AS BACKUP, UM, FOR THE SEPTEMBER 17TH COUNCIL MEETING AND UNRELATED TO THE HERITAGE GRANT, BUT IMPORTANT. NONETHELESS, THE AUSTIN CREATIVE WORKER RELIEF PROGRAM GRANT OPPORTUNITY IS CURRENTLY OPEN AND BEING MANAGED BY THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. THE AUSTIN CREATIVE WORKER RELIEF GRANT PROVIDES IMMEDIATE AND EQUITABLY FOCUSED GRANTS TO INDIVIDUAL CREATIVE AND INDUSTRY SUPPORT STAFF IN AUSTIN APPLICANTS CAN APPLY FOR A $2,000 GRANT TOWARD RENT BILLS, GROCERIES, AND OTHER ELIGIBLE RELATED EXPENSES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AND FOR PURPOSES OF THE AUSTIN CREATIVE WORKER RELIEF GRANT, CREATIVE WORKER IS DEFINED AS AN INDIVIDUAL WHOSE CURRENT OR PRIMARY OCCUPATION IS, OR HAS BEEN WITHIN CULTURE, [00:20:01] ART HERITAGE, OR PRESERVATION, AND THIS CAN INCLUDE, BUT ISN'T LIMITED TO ARTISTS WORKING IN THE CREATIVE SECTOR AND STAFF AND ASSOCIATED PERSONNEL WORKING IN ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE CREATIVE SECTOR, SUCH AS CURATORS, LIGHT TECHNICIANS, ET CETERA. THIS OPPORTUNITY IS OPEN THROUGH AUGUST 28TH AT 5:00 PM, AND MORE INFORMATION CAN BE ACCESSED@ATXWITHHOVERS.COM. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SPREADING THE WORD ON THAT PARTICULAR INITIATIVE. THIS CONCLUDES MY UPDATE ON THE HERITAGE GRANT PROCESS AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER FROM THE COMMISSION? JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. I DID SEE THAT DISTRICT EIGHT DOES HAVE A, UH, GRANT IN THERE SINCE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PRESERVATION ACTIVITY IN DISTRICT EIGHT. WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS COLLATERAL THAT, UH, IS BEING REQUESTED OF THE ZILKER BOTANICAL GARDENS? THAT IS CORRECT. UM, THE ZILKER BOTANICAL GARDENS PURSUED A NEW LOGO AND NEW WEBSITE CREATION, UH, WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, THIS ROUNDS OUT, UM, SOME OF THEIR, UM, THEIR GOALS TO CREATE MORE COLLATERAL USING THAT NEW LOGO. AND, UM, AND SO THEY, UM, SUBMITTED, UM, A REQUEST FOR, UM, UPDATED COLLATERAL. UM, I'LL ALSO SAY THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS PURSUING A DESIGNATION ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, UH, WHICH SHOULD BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SURE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HER? OKAY. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HEAR FROM YOU WERE ATTEMPTING TO REACH IS UNAVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. PLEASE EITHER USE AN ALTERNATE CONTACT. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HEAR FROM KEITH ZIMMERMAN, WHO HAS CALLED IN, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE GRANTS. AND THEN, UM, WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AND EMOTION, UM, BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE REST OF THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. MR. ZIMMERMAN. THANK YOU. I, UM, SO WE WERE ONE OF THE ONES ON THE LIST. I DIDN'T KNOW, AT THE TIME I SIGNED UP WHETHER WE WERE IN OR OUT. AND SO, UM, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF LEADERSHIP, AUSTIN AND PROJECT WALK, THE TOWN. UM, ONE QUESTION I HAVE REALLY IS RELATES TO BEFORE MY COMMENTS WOULD BE IF WE WERE ON THE LIST, DOES THAT MEAN THE GRANT AMOUNT THAT WE ASKED FOR, WE RE ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE RECEIVED OR IS THAT DOLLAR FIGURE STILL UNDETERMINED FOR ALL OF US? I BELIEVE THAT A RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN MADE IN TERMS OF THAT, UM, WHETHER, UM, MELISSA IS READY TO DISCUSS THAT AT THIS POINT. I'M NOT SURE. UM, MELISSA. SURE. UM, SO WE JUST WRAPPED UP THE, UM, SECONDARY PEER REVIEW, UM, PROCESS ABOUT A WEEK AGO. AND SO WE ARE STILL, UH, EVALUATING THE AMOUNTS AND RUNNING THAT THROUGH OUR MATRIX. UM, THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF, UH, AWARD AMOUNTS WILL BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE COUNCIL BACKUP FOR THE SEPTEMBER 17TH MEETING. THIS, UH, THIS UPDATE IS THE, UH, FIRST UPDATE RELATED TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. GOT IT. OKAY. WELL THEN, THEN I'LL KEEP MY MARKS REMARKS FAIRLY, VERY QUICK. SO THANK YOU. WE'RE GLAD TO BE INCLUDED. THE PROCESS HAS BEEN MELISSA AND HER TEAM HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN TRYING TO KEEP THIS INCLUSIVE AND KEEP EVERYBODY INFORMED. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, BASICALLY OUR PROJECT IS A HISTORIC WALKING TOUR, DOWNTOWN AUSTIN. WE DID ONE BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE IT. IT'S GOT 74 BUILDINGS. WE TRIED TO BRING IN LOTS OF PARTNERS. UH, THE DRISCOLL IS OUR SITE ADDRESS. WE HAVE, AS I SAID, 74 BUILDINGS, WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF BUILDINGS ALL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH LINKS TO OTHER PROJECTS. UH, WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE INCLUSIVE AND MORE DIVERSE THAN WE DID WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. AND WE'VE GOT PRESERVATION, AUSTIN, AUSTIN HISTORY CENTER, DOWNTOWN AUSTIN ALLIANCE, [00:25:01] HOTEL, LODGING ASSOCIATION, AND BUSINESS AUSTIN ALSO, UH, LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATIONS. AND, UH, IF SELECTED, WE WOULD WORK WITH ALL OF THEM AND YOU ALL TO TRY TO MAKE A GREAT INTERACTIVE HISTORIC WALKING TOUR FOR DOWNTOWN AUSTIN THAT CAN LINK TO OTHER THINGS. SO WITH THAT, UM, I JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS GRANT PROCESS AND, UH, WE APPRECIATE BEING INCLUDED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY. I THINK AT THIS POINT THERE, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, BUT IF THERE WAS ANY, UM, DISCUSSION, UM, WE COULD ALSO OFFER A MOTION OF SUPPORT FOR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS IT MOVES, UM, TO CITY COUNCIL, I WILL MOVE TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER IS COKE AND VALANCE VILLA. ANY DISCUSSION SOUNDED LIKE A GOOD DIVERSE TEAM THAT WAS REVIEWING IN THERE. HAVING LOOKED AT THE DETAILS AND IT LOOKS LIKE A WELL ROUNDED, A COLLECTION OF PROJECTS FOR THIS POINT IN OUR HISTORY. OKAY. UM, ALL FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. AS OPPOSED TO PASS IS NINE ZERO ONE. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, MELISSA. UM, NOW WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC TESTIMONY. UM, [Additional Item] WE WILL GO IN ORDER OF THE AGENDA. UM, AND AS I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, YOU MAY BEGIN, UH, YOU'LL HAVE, UH, FIVE MINUTES I BELIEVE FOR THE FIRST SPEAKER. UM, SO FOR ITEM A ONE 1607 WEST 10TH STREET, I'M A SCHAFFER, HEY COMMISSION, HOW ARE YOU DOING, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK ON MY PROJECT TONIGHT. UM, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND I BROKE UP THE TALK INTO FOUR PARTS, WHICH IS, UH, WE'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE MARY BAYLOR HOUSE AT 1607 WEST 10TH STREET. UM, THE FIRST COMPONENT TO WHY THIS HOUSE IS SO SPECIAL IS ITS LOCATION. IT'S, UH, LITERALLY THE FIRST HOUSE YOU SEE, WHEN YOU ENTER THE ORIGINAL OLD CLARKSVILLE, NOT THAT NOT THE CLARKSVILLE THAT'S KNOWN TODAY, WHICH IS FROM INFIELD TO, TO, UM, SIXTH STREET, BUT THE ORIGINAL CLARKSVILLE THAT WAS FROM WATERSTON STREET TO 10TH STREET. WE'RE ON 10TH STREET AND WHERE THE SECOND HOUSE, UM, RIGHT ON THAT BLOCK. SO WHEN YOU ENTER OUR ORIGINAL CLARKSVILLE, WHERE THE FIRST HOUSE, YOU SEE THE SECOND PART THAT MAKES IT REALLY SPECIAL IS THE STRUCTURE. UM, I WOULD ARGUE IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF LESS THAN A HANDFUL OF THE REMAINING STRUCTURE THAT LOOKS ORIGINAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S ONLY 528 SQUARE FEET, AND IT'S A CLASSIC CRAFTSMEN STYLE WITH DOUBLE FRONT DOORS. IT'S SUPER SMALL SINGLE STORY. AND THIS HOUSE IS LITERALLY A PHYSICAL REPRESENTATION OF THE HISTORY OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE'S, UM, THEY ARE, UH, THE LITTLE HOUSES THAT ARE HERE ARE LEFT ARE, UM, UM, DETERIORATING RAPIDLY AND BEING TORN DOWN EVEN MORE RAPIDLY. UM, OF COURSE THE MAIN REASON THIS HOUSE IS SO SPECIAL IS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED HERE. MAY MARY BAYLOR RAISED HER SIX CHILDREN IN THIS 528 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE. UM, AND HER, HER KIDS, UM, HAVE GONE ON TO THE PILLARS OF THE COMMUNITY LIKE DON BAYLOR. WHO'S A FAMOUS BASEBALL PLAYER, ONE OF THE FIRST BLACK BASEBALL PLAYERS. UM, ALSO LINDA DAILER, WHO IS OUR NEIGHBOR. WHO'S BEEN AN EDUCATOR AT MATTHEWS FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS OF AUSTIN CHILDREN. UM, SHE HAS, UM, SHE WAS THE FOUNDER OF THE CCDC, THE CLARKSVILLE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, WHICH STILL EXISTS TODAY. AND IT'S STILL SAVING THE HISTORY, CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY BUILDING. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ACTIVISM WAS OF COURSE, UM, VERY WIDESPREAD. SHE FOUGHT AGAINST THE CREATION OF MOPAC, WHICH SHE UNFORTUNATELY LOST AND WHICH TOWARDS THROUGH THE, AND, AND REALLY, UM, UH, BUT SHE DID SUCCESSFULLY FIGHT AGAINST THE CROSSTOWN EXPRESSWAY THAT WOULD HAVE WIPED THE CAR STILL OFF THE MAP COMPLETELY. SHE ALSO HELPED TO ORGANIZE THE COMMUNITY TO FIGHT FOR PAVE ROADS, LIGHT PLUMBING, AND OTHER CITY CITY UTILITIES THAT WERE SYSTEMATICALLY LEFT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD DUE TO ZONING LAWS AND RACIST CITY POLITICS. [00:30:01] UM, SHE IS OF COURSE, NOT ONLY A HISTORICAL FIGURE OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I BELIEVE A REASON WHY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS THRIVING TODAY. UM, THE LAST COMPONENT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY. WHEN WE, UM, WHEN ME AND MY WIFE MEGAN BOUGHT THE HOUSE, UM, WE, IT WAS IN COMPLETE DISREPAIR. IN FACT, THERE WAS PEOPLE SQUAT IN THE HOUSE, THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT RIGHT BEFORE US, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS OUT OF THE BAYLOR FAMILY. AND HE WAS A DEVELOPER IN TOWN AND WAS GOING TO BUILD A 2100 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE ON THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE SIZE OF A REGULAR PROPERTY. UM, WHEN THE CITY DECIDED HE WASN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE CAME IN AND WE, WITH OUR OWN TWO HANDS SANDED THE FLOORS BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL GLORY. WE RAISED THE HOUSE OFF THE CEDAR TRUNK, UNDER CONCRETE PILLARS WITH AROUND TWO HANDS. WE BOMBED A MAN ELECTRICAL AND WORKLOAD SIDING AND TENDED TO THE LANDSCAPING AND PAINTED AND PUT THE HVAC SYSTEM IN FOR THE FIRST TIME. AND WE LOVE ONLY BROUGHT, BROUGHT THAT OUT BACK TO LIFE WITH OUR OWN TWO PANTS. WE DIDN'T HIRE ANY CONTRACTORS OR PROFESSIONALS OR ARCHITECT, BUT INSTEAD IN THE SPIRIT OF MARY BAYLOR, WE WORK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY TO RAISE THE HOUSE BACK TO ANOTHER GENERATION OF COMMUNITY, BUILDING ACTIVISM AND FAMILY AND TRADITION. ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS WAS THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, DOZENS AND DOZENS OF PEOPLE CAME OVER WHILE WE WERE WORKING ON THE HOUSE AND WOULD TELL US STORIES ABOUT THE BAYLOR FAMILY AND WHAT THEY DID FOR THEM. SO EVEN THOUGH SHE RAISED SIX CHILDREN AROUND, SHE REALLY WAS A TRUE MENTOR AND COMMUNITY BUILDER AND MOTHER AND FRIEND AND ORGANIZER TO SO MANY CHILDREN. AND IT SEEMED LIKE EVERY, EVERY CHILD HAD A STORY TO TELL ABOUT MARY BAYLOR AND WHAT THEY DID FOR HER. SO THAT WAS SUPER INSPIRING. ARE YOU ABLE TO WRAP UP YOUR THOUGHTS? OKAY. YEAH, SURE. UM, I GUESS THE LAST PART WOULD JUST BE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE HAVE, WE WERE SUPPORTED BY MANY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. OF COURSE, THEY WROTE LETTERS TO CCDC PRESERVATION OFFICE AND GAVE US THE HISTORICAL GRANT. THE AWANA WROTE A LETTER AS WELL AS MULTIPLE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WROTE, WROTE LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF US. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM FROM THE COMMISSION SEEING NONE? WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT TO 1154, UH, LYDIA STREET, GREGORY SMITH. YES. MY NAME IS GREG SMITH AND I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE AUSTIN REVITALIZATION AUTHORITY. AND I BELIEVE STEVE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB IN, UH, DEPICTING THE HISTORY OF, OF, OF THE HOUSE, UH, STARTING BACK IN THE 1940S. AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO THE TIME WHERE THE OFFICE REVITALIZATION AUTHORITY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN 1996 WHEN IT WAS AN APP TO OUR CLUB. AND IT WAS A CRITICAL ACQUISITION FOR REVITALIZATION AUTHORITY BECAUSE IT WAS THEIR FIRST PROPERTY THAT THEY PURCHASED AS A NONPROFIT CORPORATION. ABBY WAS ONE OF THE LAST PROPERTIES THAT THEY DEVELOPED, WHICH TOOK PLACE IN 2015. BUT BEFORE I GET THERE, UH, WITH THE ACQUISITION OF THIS PROPERTY IN 1996, ELIMINATING THIS AFTER HOUR CLUB, WE ALSO REMOVED A LOT OF THE CRIME ELEMENTS THAT WAS TAKING PLACE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, WHICH, UH, ASSISTED US IN JUMPSTART AND REVITALIZATION OF THE 11TH STREET CORRIDOR. UH, SO IN, IN, IN 2015, WE DID, UH, PRESERVE THE HISTORIC HOUSE. FIRST OF ALL, WE RELOCATED AND, UH, 2014 AND IN 2015 WE PRESERVED THE HOUSE AND ADDED A TWO STORY ADDITION TO IT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, UH, THE SHEAFFER FAMILY, WE HAD NEARLY 11 MEMBERS THAT HAD IN IT, THE OPEN HOUSE. AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF WHAT WE HAD DONE IN TERMS OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE HOUSE THAT SOME OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS GREW UP, UH, WITH, UH, A WEEK IN THAT HOUSE. WE CURRENTLY, UH, LEASE THAT OUT TO A DEAD, WHICH IS A SERVICE THAT WORKED, THAT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE MEETING AREA. IN ADDITION TO, WE HAVE SOME PSYCHIATRIST THAT OCCUPYING THE, UH, THE FOUR OF THE TWO STORIES, DISHES AND THE TOP FLOOR AT ICANN, THE OFFICE OF THE OFFICER. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE WITH THIS BUILDING. UH, IT IS VERY BEAUTIFUL OUTSIDE AS WELL AS IN THAT. AND SO I WISH, AND, AND, AND ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, UH, AS WE CONTINUE [00:35:01] ON TO MAINTAIN THAT ARCHITECTURE OF THAT BUILDING. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION? I MEAN, I'M GLAD TO SAY THAT THIS IS, UH, MADE PROGRESS. UH, MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE MOVE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS JUST MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE SAME SITE. IS THAT, THAT IS CORRECT. IT WAS PROBABLY RELOCATED NO MORE THAN ABOUT 20 FEET BY MR. RACHAEL LOCATION. TERRIFIC. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. YES. COMMISSIONER MYERS. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, THE CHANGE OF THE PORCH POSTS THAT WERE ON THE BUILDING FOR SO MANY YEARS TO THE VICTORIAN POSTS THAT ARE THERE NOW. UM, DID YOU HAVE SOME PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OR, UM, DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT? ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE USE WERE REVIEWED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND AS WELL AS WE UTILIZE RUPE AND ASSOCIATES OR THE ARCHITECT ON IT TO ENSURE THAT WE PRESERVE THEM, I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY, UH, PERMISSION TO MEYER, BUT THE REVIEW OF THE LANDMARK COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECT. SO HE SHOWED THAT IT WAS DONE APPROPRIATELY. YEAH. IT'S CAN I SHARE A COOK? GOT IT. ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE RELOCATION TO CONFIRM BASED ON THE PHOTOS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE DID RETAIN A SIMILAR ORIENTATION TO THE STREET, A SIMILAR DISTANCE FROM THE STREET AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY. IS THAT CORRECT? WAS THAT A QUESTION FOR ME? YES. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM BASED ON THE PHOTOS, THE HISTORIC PHOTOS AND CURRENT, IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOUSE IS ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE CURB AND RETAINS ITS ORIGINAL HISTORIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE STREET. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WE ACTUALLY GET MOVED IN PARALLEL. WE ACTUALLY KNEW THAT THE MAIN PAIN. ALL OF THOSE SETBACKS THAT EXISTS IN TERMS OF IS HALYARD. YEAH, THAT'S CORRECT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM B TO 14, 15 LAVACA STREET. WE'LL HEAR FIRST FROM WILLIAM FRANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR. I NEED TO ABSTAIN ON THIS ONE. SO I'LL JUST DISAPPEAR FOR A FEW MINUTES, I GUESS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MADAM CHAIR, WILLIAM FRANK. AND I WANT TO YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME BEFORE YOU AGAIN, UH, TODAY. UH, ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. STEVE SUDAN AND, UH, MS. ANGELA GODDAMMIT FOR ALL OF THEIR HELP AND ASSISTANCE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. THAT'S ONE OF THE LANDMARK COMMISSION AND THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF FOR THE DILIGENCE WORK AND EFFORT. UH, IT HAS BEEN VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. WE BELIEVE YOUR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATIONS ARE FAIR. WE KNOW THIS IS A BUILDING, UH, WITH ALL A BIG ISSUE AND IT IS ONE THAT'S NOT EASY, A COMPLETE LEAP OF SUPPORT. IT IS NOT A NORMAL OR STANDARD CASE STUDY NOR IN POWER REQUEST, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THIS BUILDING WILL BE SAFE FOR THE FUTURE GENERATIONS TO COME. THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION THAT REQUIRED THE VERY SPECIAL SOLUTION. WE HAVE INCORPORATED COMMENTS FROM, UH, BOTH MISSION ALSO FROM COMMITTEES AND ALSO FROM STAFF DISCUSSIONS, UH, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS MADE FOR THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. WE DO HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS WITHIN THE BUILDING, AS WELL AS ICE CONSTRAINT, AS WELL AS LACK OF CONSTRAINT, BUT WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO TRY TO INCORPORATE [00:40:01] ALL OF THESE, UH, TO THE BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME. I AM ASKING FOR THE COMMISSIONS TO PORT THIS EVENING. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO OUR ARCHITECT, MR. PAULSON, WITH MITCHELL CARLSON STONE, TO EXPLAIN THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED INTO OUR PLANS. UH, SINCE THE LAST TIME YOU HAVE USED THEM, KATE, UH, YES, THE CASE CARLSON, UH, SINCE WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED OUR PROPOSAL, UH, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF CHANGES SPECIFICALLY, UH, BEGINNING WITH THE, UH, UPPER BUILDING, WHICH WAS A LITTLE MORE, UH, GYMNASTIC, I GUESS, SIMPLIFIED IT TO COLORS AND THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDING TO MAKE IT A MORE NEUTRAL STRUCTURE. UH, ALSO IN THE PLANNING OF THE BUILDING, UH, WE HAVE LEFT THE ELEVATIONS OF THE HISTORIC BUILDING ON 15TH AND LAVACA, UH, VIRTUALLY UNTOUCHED. THEY WILL REMAIN THE WAY IT IS TODAY. UH, OUR INTERNAL PLANNING THAT FLOOR, UH, WAS REDONE TO ALLOW THE ENTRY INTO THE FIRST FLOOR ON THE CORNER OF 15TH AND LAVACA, WHICH IS WHERE IT ALWAYS, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY THE, UH, BUILDING WAS SET FURTHER BACK FROM THE FACE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING ELEVATIONS, UH, 10 FEET. WE INCREASED OUR CAM LEAVERS, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THAT, UH, ANY THAT ARE NON-VISIBLE HANDRAILS. AND, UH, SINCE WE ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN SECTION THAT HAS A BONUS CRITERIA, WE CAN, UH, ELEVATE THE BUILDING TO 150 FEET, WHICH WE HAVE DONE AND HAVE ALSO CHANGED THE, UH, BOTTOM OF THE BUILDING. UH, OUR CAM LEVER NOW IS A SLOPED CAM LEVER, WHICH ALLOWED US TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING ABOVE THE PARAPETS THAT ARE ON THE EXISTING HISTORIC BUILDING. WE'RE NOW 29 FEET, UH, UP TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE PROJECTION FORWARD PROJECTION OF THE BUILDING AND ALMOST 13 FEET ABOVE THE COOPERS. SO THOSE ARE SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONS. THE COLORS ON THE, UH, HISTORIC BUILDING WILL BE, UH, MAINTAINED. AND, UM, I BELIEVE THOSE COVER THE PRIMARY, UH, MODIFICATIONS WE'VE MADE SINCE WE ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU QUESTIONS FOR HIM. I CAN'T SEE EVERYONE AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND SPEAK UP. WE'LL MOVE ON TO JOE, WILLING TO PALESTINE. YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US FOR THIS EVENING WAS GOOD. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE ON CALL TODAY. THIS IS THE WAY HARRIS. UM, I WORKED WITH JOE WILLY ON THE PROJECT. UM, WE ARE, WE WERE ASKED, UH, I'M WITH MIKKELSEN ASSOCIATES. UM, WE WERE, WE WERE CONTACTED BY TOMA, UH, THE ORGANIZATION THAT OWNS THE BUILDING THREE YEARS AGO AND ASKED TO HELP, UH, LEASE THE PROPERTY. UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE NEED FOR, OR AT LEAST FOR A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY HAD THE NEED TO OPERATE IN THE ENTIRE BUILDING, BUT THEY WERE TRYING TO REMODEL THE PROPERTY. AND WHAT THEY DISCOVERED WAS THAT THE BUILDING WAS, WAS IN DISREPAIR. UM, THE RESTROOMS, THE ORIGINAL RESTROOMS OR QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE. UM, THERE WAS A, UH, A PLUMBING ISSUE AND THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, THE SEWAGE HAS BEEN DETERIORATED TO A POINT WHERE, UH, SOME SERIOUS REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE. AND IT WAS OF HOLLY. UH, UH, THERE WAS SOME RISKS TAKEN TO THE BUILDING AND ALL, UH, WE ALSO FOUND THAT THERE WAS WATER. UM, THEY WAS TAKING ON WATER FROM AN UNKNOWN SOURCE IN SEPARATE ISSUE, JUST THROUGH A PROBLEM WITH MOLD. UM, AND WE GOT SOME, WE GOT SOME CORE SAMPLES DONE BY, UH, A GROUP THAT CAME IN WITH SPECIAL EQUIPMENT TO COME IN AND DRILL CORE SAMPLES TO FIND OUT WHAT IF THE SOIL WAS PROBLEM. UH, JUST THIS DID NOT, IT DID NOT TURN UP THE ANSWERS THAT WE NEEDED. UM, THE SOIL SEEMED TO BE GOOD, BUT THE WATER CONTINUED TO, TO GET INTO THE WALLS AND THE FLOOR SLAB. [00:45:01] AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL WALLS OF THE BUILDING. SO WE, UH, THEY DECIDED THEY WANTED TO SELL THE BUILDING. THEY WERE KIND OF FACED WITH A REAL CHALLENGE FINANCIALLY. THE BUDGET JUST WASN'T, IT WASN'T MAKING ANY SENSE THAT IT REALLY NEEDED TO BE SOLD. SO WE SPENT THE NEXT YEAR TRYING TO SELL IT, GOT UNDER CONTRACT WANTS FOR THEM, UH, THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT. WE FOUND A, WHAT WE BELIEVE TO BE THE IDEAL, UH, DEVELOPER AND BUYER WHO WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN THE HOTEL. UH, BILL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE BUILDING IS IN DISREPAIR. UM, THE TONE TOMA, TEXAS, UH, OSTEOPATHIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, UM, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP THE BUILDING AS IT IS, UH, IN, IN A REPAIR THAT YOU COULD HELP PEOPLE OR EVEN SAVED THE BUILDING LONG RUN. UH, WE BELIEVE THAT MOLD WOULD EVENTUALLY GET A BIG PROBLEM THERE. SO THEY NEED SOME, THEY NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SELL THE BUILDING. WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE FOUND THE DEVELOPER THAT CAN DO THIS. UM, I THINK Y'ALL HEARD FROM THEM QUITE A BIT ON THIS. AND WE ASKED BECAUSE WE ASKED THAT YOU CONSIDER, UM, WERE THERE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES THAT THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE POSITION TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE BUILDING AS IT IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? OKAY. JILL SUTTON. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JILL SATIN AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE TEXAS OSTEOPATHIC MEDICAL ASSOCIATION. WE ARE A NONPROFIT MEDICAL ASSOCIATION THAT PROVIDES CONTINUING MEDICAL EDUCATION AND ADVOCACY TO OSTEOPATHIC PHYSICIANS ACROSS THE STATE. IN 1995, OUR ORGANIZATION BOUGHT THE BARTHOLOMEW ROBINSON BUILDING, WHICH WAS THREATENED FOR DEMOLITION AND RESTORED BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL STATE. IT'S BEEN UPPER LEVEL AND TREASURED PART OF OUR HISTORY. AND WE HAVE TAKEN GREAT PRIDE IN HAVING OUR HEADQUARTERS HERE. IN 2017, WE BEGAN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING THE BUILDING ONLY TO LEARN THAT ONE OF THE WALLS WAS STRUCTURALLY COMPROMISED. THE PLUMBING NEEDED TO BE COMPLETELY REDONE. WE HAD MOLD MOLD, THE CONCRETE HAD MOISTURE IN IT, AND THE LIST GOES ON. NEEDLESS TO SAY IT WAS NOT A SAFE WORK ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR STAFF. THIS NEWS WAS DEVASTATING AS THE REPAIRS NEEDED, NEEDED FAR EXCEEDED OUR MODEST BUDGET. AND AFTER MUCH DELIBERATION, OUR BOARD AGREED TO SELL THE BUILDING. OUR ORGANIZATION IS IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS PRESENTED BY MR. MOMINA. WE BELIEVE THAT HE WILL BE ABLE TO KEEP THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THE HISTORIC ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING. RESTORED. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, STEVE. DARREN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? YES. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. UH, MY NAME IS STEVE DURHAM. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TOMA SINCE 2015, SO I'VE WITNESSED THE DETERIORATION OF THE BUILDING FIRSTHAND. UM, ALL THE EMPLOYEES WERE EVENTUALLY FORCED TO MOVE OUT OF THE BUILDING IN 2017 TO AVOID HEALTH CONCERNS. SO THE BUILDING HAS BEEN EMPTY AND PER SALE FOR ALMOST THREE YEARS WHERE SHE PROBABLY HEARD A COUPLE OF TIMES, UM, TOMA BEGAN RENOVATING IN 2017 AND FOUND THOSE STRUCTURAL ISSUES. AND THE MOLD IS, UH, SORT OF NEEDS A COMPLETE OVERHAUL, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HEADING DOWN THE PATH WE HAVE DONE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, BEING A NONPROFIT, WE WERE UNABLE TO PAY FOR THOSE RENOVATIONS. AND, UH, AGAIN, THAT WAS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO. SO WE CHOSE A BUYER THAT WE BELIEVE CAN EXIT EXECUTED A EXTENSIVE REMODEL. AND MR. HAS DONE PAST HISTORICAL BUILDINGS, AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE WANTED TO KEEP THE INTEGRITY PARTICULARLY AT FIRST FOR AND FIXING THE BUILDINGS ISSUES. UM, SO THEY WOULD SORT OF ELIMINATE THE HEALTH RISK GOING FORWARD. CAUSE THEY'RE STILL THERE. YOU KNOW, WE REALIZE IT'S HARD TO REPRODUCE 1880, UH, AT THE CURRENT STATE IN 2020, BUT I THINK THE GROUND FOUR WILL PROVIDE, UM, AMPLE HISTORIC INTEGRITY. AND HOPEFULLY THE MODERN ADDITION WILL PROVIDE A SAFE PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO SLEEP. AND, UM, WE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. [00:50:03] ANY QUESTIONS? ALI MARINE? UH, I'M ASSUMING IN, I'M LISTENING IN, UH, UH, YEAH, I'M JUST GOING DOWN THE LIST HERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK OR JUST LISTENING? NO, I THINK BILL FRANK SAYS, MADE A PRESENTATION ON OUR BEHALF, SO WE ARE FINE. THANK YOU. VERY OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNERS FROM THE COMMISSION? OKAY. UM, TREY ADVIL. YES, MA'AM UH, THANK YOU. UH, MY NAME'S TREY ADVIL AND I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE STATE BAR OF TEXAS. AND WE'RE THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TO THE, UH, FUCK COLOMY ROBINSON BUILDING. UH, WE ALREADY IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE EAST, SO WE ARE 14, 14, COLORADO. AND, UM, SO WE, WE WOULD LOVE AND HOPE TO SEE THAT WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THIS PROPERTY, THAT THE HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE AND CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY WOULD BE MAINTAINED. AND WE BEING AN IMMEDIATE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR FAILED TO SEE HOW A 150 FOOT STRUCTURE, 10 OR 10 STORY, 12 STORY, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE ON TOP OF THE CURRENT BUILDING ACCOMPLISHES THAT OBJECTIVE OF MAINTAIN THAT HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE CHARACTER AND INTEGRITY. ADDITIONALLY, WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THIS ADDITION WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, THE BACK WALL OR THE EAST WALL OF THE BARTHELEMY ROBINSON BUILDING IS OUR BASICALLY OUR WALL AND GO RUNNING DOWN THREE, UH, UNDERGROUND LEVELS IS A PARKING GARAGE THAT HOUSES THE PARKING FOR STATE BAR OF TEXAS EMPLOYEES. WE HAVE ABOUT 200 EMPLOYEES IN THE BUILDING AND WE HAD A FULL BUILDING AND PARKING A GARAGE FULL OF EMPLOYEES. SO WE ARE CONCERNED THAT ANY ATTEMPT AT CONSTRUCTING ANY TYPE OF STRUCTURE AS HAS BEEN DESCRIBED IS GOING TO BE NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE FROM A STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY STANDPOINT, EITHER FOR THE BARTHOLOMEW ROBINSON BUILDING AND OR THE HOTEL ON TOP OF IT OR TO OUR EXISTING FACILITY AND CAMPUS STRUCTURE. SO WE HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO WE ARE, UH, WE'RE INTERESTED IN THE, IN, IN THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROPERTY AND ALSO IN MAINTAINING ITS HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE. WE APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON IT, AND WE APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S TIME AND ALLOWING US TO SPEAK. WE ALSO SPOKE BACK AT YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING, UH, AND WE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THIS CONTINUES FORWARD, WE WILL BE, WE WILL STAY AS AN INTERESTED PARTY, SO TO SPEAK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? OKAY. ALISON MCGHEE. HI, MY NAME NAME'S ALISON NIKKI AND I SERVE ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF PRESERVATION AUSTIN. AND WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION DENY A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICATION, UH, AS IT'S PRESENTED, UM, WE STRONGLY FEEL THAT THE PROJECT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE OR THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AS THEY APPLY TO THIS LANDMARK PROPERTY SECTION 25, 11, TWO 43 OF CITY CODE STATES THAT WHEN TAKING ACTION ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THAT THE COMMISSION SHALL CONSIDER THE UNITED STATES, SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR REHABILITATION STANDARD NINE SAYS THAT I NEED A NEW WORK WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE MAPPING SIZE SCALE AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE HISTORIC, UH, TO PROTECT THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT NEW ADDITIONS SHOULD BE UNDERTAKEN IN SUCH A MANNER THAT IF THEY ARE REMOVED IN THE FUTURE, THE ESSENTIAL INFORM AND INTEGRITY OF A HISTORIC PROPERTY WILL BE UNIMPAIRED FURTHER GUIDELINES ON HOW TO APPLY THE STANDARD, UH, PROVIDE CLARIFYING RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW ADDITIONS, THAT THEY BE SUBORDINATE TO THE HISTORIC [00:55:01] BUILDING, THAT THEY ARE IN CONSPICUOUS WHEN VIEWED FROM SURROUNDING STREETS, BUT THEY WERE LIMITED TO ONE ADDITIONAL STORY IN HEIGHT, AND THAT THEY APPEAR AS A SEPARATE BUILDING DESIGNED, PRESENTED TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION. IT DOESN'T MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OR THE CLARIFYING GUIDELINES. WE APPRECIATE THAT THE NEEDS OF PROPERTY OWNERS CHANGE OVER TIME AND UNDERSTAND THAT LARGE TOWERS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ADJACENT TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS AND AUSTIN'S URBAN DOWNTOWN. HOWEVER, LANDMARK DESIGNATION WAS INTENDED TO PROTECT THE PROPERTIES. OUR COMMUNITY IDENTIFIES AS SIGNIFICANT, BUT THAT THEIR HISTORIC MATERIALS AND INTEGRITY ARE NOT COMPROMISED OVER TIME DUE TO CHANGING PREFERENCES AND NEEDS A FUTURE OWNERS. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DECISIONS OF THE COMMISSION ARE NOT EASY ONES. HOWEVER, ENSURING THAT THE COMMISSION APPLIES CONSISTENT AND OBJECTIVE STANDARDS TO THE REVIEW PROCESS AS DIRECTED BY CITY CODE IS VITAL TO THE INTEGRITY OF YOUR DECISION MAKING PROCESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? UH, GEORGIA HARRISON? YES. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UH, OUR COMPANY OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY SOUTH AS THE PROPOSED SITE. AND SINCE OTHERS HAVE COMMENTED ON NON-ADHERENCE TO STATUTES, OURS IS AN OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE. YES, ARCHITECTURALLY, IT APPEARS THAT THE HOTEL WHILE IT'S A VERY INTERESTING CONTEMPORARY STRUCTURE, THERE'S NO RELATIONSHIP TO THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE EITHER IN FORM OR MATERIAL. UH, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE GLOSS, THE REMAINS OF THE ORIGINAL BUILDING AND TO OUR COMPANY IS DISTRACTING. UH, FURTHER THE PLANS, UH, CALL FOR 168 ROOMS PLUS COMMON AREAS. AND AUSTIN IS A CITY THAT THRIVES ON EVENT AND BUSINESS TRAVEL. AND SINCE THERE ARE NO EVENTS OF SIZE AT THIS TIME, AND BUSINESS IS BEING HANDLED REMOTELY, PRIMARILY HOTEL DEMAND IS NOT FORECASTED TO RESUME PRE BOWEL REST RECOVERY UNTIL 2023. SO REVENUE PER AVAILABLE ROOM IS FORECASTED TO DROP TO 41 31 THIS YEAR FROM 86 64 IN 2019. I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY AUSTIN WOULD NEED ANOTHER HOTEL WITH THIS STUNNING MIC. UM, WHAT ALARM SAYS MOST SIGNIFICANTLY IS THE APPEARANCE OF A FOUR OR FIVE DROPOFF SPACE AREA PER GUEST FOR 168 ROOMS TO UTILIZE. I DID NOT SEE INDICATION OF A PARKING GARAGE, EVEN IF THE OFFSITE PARKING IS SECURED, THE BALLET TURN AROUND WILL LIKELY BLOCK THE BEST LINE ADJACENT TO THE DROP-OFF SPACES. AND THE FEW SPACES WE HAVE FOR OUR TENANTS AND OUR OWN BLOCKS WOULD SURELY BE POACHED BY NON TENANTS. AND THAT'S ALREADY A MATERIAL ISSUE IN ALL LOCATION, AND THIS WOULD ONLY EXACERBATE IT. UH, I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW THE PLANNERS WOULD INTEND TO STAGE CONSTRUCTION ON THIS TINY PROPERTY AND WHATEVER FORM THAT WOULD TAKE WOULD SURELY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE ADJACENT OWNER'S PROPERTY, BUT THE STATE BAR AND OUR PROPERTY SAY IN SUMMARY, I FAILED TO SEE HOW THIS CONCEPT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR AUSTIN AND THE FLOOR PATIENTS, HOW IT WOULD ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVES OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND HOW IT WOULD NOT DAMAGE THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WILL BE NOT SUPPORT IT WHILE WE DO SUPPORT SOME FORM OF DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. WE DID NOT BELIEVE THIS IS IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO TESTIMONY FOR THE NEXT CASE, WHICH IS BEFORE EIGHT OH NINE EAST NINTH STREET. VERY CHESS. HI, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. ME. I'M A HOMEOWNER IN THE GUADALUPE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE TYNDALL, AND WE HAVE SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE BACKYARD OF A HISTORIC HOUSE. AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THE SCALE OF THE TOWER ORIGINALLY, WE WERE TOLD IT WOULD BE SEVEN STORIES, AND NOW IT'S BEEN REVISED TO NINE STORIES. SO THE SCALE ALONE IN THE BACKYARD OF A HISTORIC HOUSE IS CONCERNING. UM, ALSO THE PLAN ELIMINATES THE FRONT YARD OF THE HOUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO, RIGHT. THEY PROPOSED MOVING [01:00:01] THE HOUSE FORWARD SIX FEET, BUT BECAUSE THE FRONT YARD IS OUT OF STEEP SLOPE, THAT WOULD PRETTY MUCH ELIMINATE THE FRONT YARD. AND THEN ALSO THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE SUPPOSEDLY SEVEN FEET BETWEEN THE LOPEZ HOUSE AND THE NEW TOWER. SO, UM, THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY CLOSE AND WE'RE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE SAFETY. SINCE THERE WON'T BE A FIREWALL OR ANYTHING TO SEPARATE THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FROM THIS HISTORIC WOODEN STRUCTURE. SO WE, WE HOPE YOU TAKE THIS ALL INTO ACCOUNT WHEN CONSIDERING THIS, AND IF YOU ARE ABLE TO COME WALK THE PROPERTY AND SEE HOW TINY THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS, UM, BEHIND THE, THIS HISTORIC HOUSE. THANK YOU. I WOULD INTERRUPT. CAUSE WE MIGHT START WITH THE APPLICANT OR THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT ON THIS CASE, AND THEN THOSE IN FAVOR AND THEN GO TO THOSE OPPOSED. YES, THAT WAS MY MISTAKE. THAT LAST SPEAKER DID NOT INDICATE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. UM, THERE WAS, UM, SO LET'S GO NOW TO MARK ROGERS. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS SINCE ABOUT 2015 WHEN OUR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY FROM THE AIR MARY HELEN LOPEZ. UM, AT THAT TIME, THE HOUSE WAS, UM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, A TOTAL LOSS DUE TO FIRE IN 2010. SO WE, UM, BEGAN THE PROCESS OF RESTORING THE HOUSE AS BEST WE COULD. AND I THINK THE CURRENT ACTUAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS ABOUT AS CLOSE AS ONE CAN GET TO THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE. IN ADDITION IN THE BACK WHERE THE, WHERE THE ELECTRICAL FIRE STARTED, THAT WAS REMOVED. AND THEN AN ADDITION OFF TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS ALSO REMOVED. SO THE HOUSE IS I THINK VERY WELL RESTORED TO ITS ORIGINAL, UM, FOOTPRINT AND, AND LOOK. AND, UM, COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE APPLIED FOR FEDERAL FUNDS TO, AT PART OF THE AGREEMENT WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WAS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THE ENTITLEMENTS, UH, ARE PART OF AN NCCD THAT ALLOW, UM, HEIGHT IN THE SAME NCCD OF UP TO 200 FEET. UM, OUR ENTITLEMENTS ALLOW US MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 105 FEET AS MEASURED IN THE NCCD. SO WE'RE WHAT WE'RE DOING IS EXPLORING OBVIOUSLY THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WE CAN GET THERE. AND WE HAVE A SENIOR PROJECT WITH 34 UNITS. THE FEDERAL FUNDS THAT WE, UM, UH, SECURED REQUIRED A SECTION 106 REVIEW. UH, SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION. UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT REVIEW, WE REMOVED BALCONIES ON EACH OF THE STORIES, UM, THAT WERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TOWER BEHIND THE HOUSE PROJECTING OUT TOWARDS THE HOUSE. AND WE HAD A ONE STORY ADDITION OR CONNECTING, UM, ADDITION BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE TOWER THAT, UH, AS A RESULT OF THAT ONE OH SIX REVIEW WAS ALSO REMOVED. UM, AND THEN TO CREATE GREATER SEPARATION BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE TOWER, WE MOVE IN THE PLANS AND WE MOVED THE HOUSE FORWARD SIX FEET. THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 16 FEET BETWEEN THE CURB AND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AFTER THAT, UH, AFTER MOVING THE HOUSE FORWARD. SO THERE'S, UM, FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, SORT OF THE SAME FRONT YARD THAT EXISTS NOW, UM, WHAT IT DID DO AS A RESULT THOUGH, IS GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A KIND OF A COURTYARD BACKYARD DECK, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY, UH, BETWEEN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BACK OF THE LOPEZ HOUSE AND THE TOWER, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 16 FEET, WHICH ALLOWS KIND OF A NICE SEPARATION AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADD SOME LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS AND CREATE KIND OF A, AS I SAY, KIND OF A BACKYARD TO THE HOUSE AND COURTYARD AREA FOR THE HOUSE AND TOWER, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, WHICH WAS VERY HELPFUL, WE CONTINUED INSTEAD OF HAVING THE METAL, UM, KIND OF ARTICULATION ON THE, ON THE NORTH AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE, THE NORTH FACADE AND WEST FACE OF THE TOWER, WE INSTEAD CONTINUED THE STUCCO, UM, MATERIAL ON THE FIRST TWO STORIES IN ORDER NOT TO COMPETE AND DISTRACT FROM THE HOUSE ITSELF. UM, I THINK THOSE WERE THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF CHANGE IN ORDER TO, UM, EMPHASIZE MORE EMPHASIZE THE HOUSE AND NOT COMPETE WITH IT WITH THIS TOWER BEHIND IT. UH, WE DON'T [01:05:01] DO ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THE HOUSE ITSELF. IN FACT, IT'S REALLY ESSENTIALLY NOT TOUCHED IN TERMS OF ITS STRUCTURE, UM, AND THERE'S NO ADDITIONS, ET CETERA. SO I THINK IN THAT DAY, WELL LOOK IT AND DIFFICULT, CHALLENGING BALANCE BETWEEN SORT OF MAXIMIZING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THE POTENTIAL OF THE PROPERTY BASED ON OUR ENTITLEMENTS AND RESPECTING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE GOT. UH, I THINK WE'VE STRUCK A GOOD BALANCE AS GOOD A BALANCE AS WE CAN GET. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? YES, MARK. THIS HAS BEEN HAIM SETH, AND I'M, I'M STRUCK BY THIS AS ONE OF A PATTERN OF PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE HAVING THESE OVERWHELMING, UH, STRUCTURES AGAIN, ADJACENT TO, OR, OR OVERTAKING HISTORIC BUILDINGS. AND, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST, IS IT, IS THERE ANY REASON WHY IT HAS TO BE SO BIG OTHER THAN JUST YOU, CAN YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT IT, PUT THAT PROPERTY, UH, AT A HIGHER HEIGHT, BUT IS THERE ANY OTHER JUSTIFICATION FOR WHY THAT AMOUNT OF DENSITY AND HEIGHT HAS TO BE IN THIS LOCATION? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE 850 APPLICATIONS OF HOUSEHOLDS WAITING FOR HOUSING WITH OVER 180 SENIORS WAITING FOR HOUSING. UM, THAT'S REALLY TRULY OUR MISSION. AND, UM, TO TRY TO SERVE THOSE FOLKS THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TIES TO THIS EXACT NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME OF THEM PROBABLY LIVED AND GREW UP WITHIN A BLOCK OR TWO OF THIS AREA WHO NO LONGER HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO LIVE AND LIVE IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT THEY HAVE TIES TO. SO THAT'S, IT DOES HAVE A CAPACITY. YOU'RE SAYING THAT THERE'S SUCH A DEMAND THAT THIS IS, THIS IS THE PLACE TO PUT IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT ITS RELATIONSHIP IS WITH A HOUSE. YEAH, I THINK THAT IT ABSOLUTELY IS. IN FACT, I THINK BY MOST DEVELOPERS STANDARDS, THE HOUSE IS IN THE WRONG PLACE. UM, THE TOWER IS THE RIGHT THING THERE. WE'VE GOT A TOWER BEHIND US AT THE TINDALL WE'VE GOT IN THAT IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA, ZONING ALLOWS UP TO 200 FEET. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE SORT OF SWIMMING UPSTREAM IN THE SENSE THAT WE, WE FEEL IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PRESERVE THAT HOUSE. IT'S AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT FOR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FOUGHT FOR FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS NOW TO TRY TO PRESERVE THE HERITAGE. SO KEEPING THE HOUSE THERE IS, IS REALLY KIND OF NOT BUILDING THE TOWER THERE. UM, BUT IT'S VERY WORTHWHILE TO US TO TRY TO DO BOTH. I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE, UM, FOR US, HOW DO WE GET THE MOST AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE, UH, WHILE PRESERVING THE IMPORTANT HISTORY AND HERITAGE OF OUR, OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, ALRIGHT. ANYWAY, I KNOW WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE CASE HERE. WE'RE JUST ASKING THE OWNER, BUT I JUST, OTHER THAN CAPACITY, I, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THERE'S A GREAT DEMAND. AND SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. AND SO THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE RESPONDING. I GET IT. AND THAT TOUCHED OUR PRIMARY MISSION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, RACHEL STONE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. I'M TOM HATCH. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CHALLENGE ALREADY LOST IN A SEA OF VERY MASSIVE APARTMENT PROJECTS BY WHAT IS ALREADY THERE. IT WILL COMPLIMENT THE LOPEZ RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? I'M SORRY, TERRY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARK OR FOR TULUM. IS THERE NOT ANOTHER AREA YOU CAN PUT THIS TOWER ON? THAT'S PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD? NO, NOT THAT WE COULD AFFORD AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THERE'S NO WAY. UM, WHEN WE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY, FORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE OWNERS GOODWILL, WE ACQUIRED IT AT ABOUT HALF OF THE VALUE THAT WAS BACK IN 2015. IT'S PROBABLY [01:10:01] WORTH TWICE THAT AMOUNT. NOW WE ARE UNABLE TO PURCHASE SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS ZONED SF IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE COST THAT THEY ARE NOW WHILE PRODUCING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THE APARTMENTS IN THIS, IN THIS LOPEZ, UM, TOWERS ARE GONNA ARE GONNA RENT FOR ANYWHERE FROM ABOUT $350 A MONTH TO ABOUT 650 $700 A MONTH. UM, THAT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO DO. AND NOW IF YOU COULD FIND US A LOT THAT WE COULD AFFORD AND WE CAN BUILD A TOWER LIKE THAT, I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT, BUT THE ANSWER TO THAT'S REAL STRAIGHTFORWARD. NO, I HAVE A FOLLOWUP QUESTION TO THAT. UM, FOR THE OWNER, WHAT GUARANTEES DO YOU HAVE THAT THIS WILL REMAIN AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS? IS THIS JUST ONE RENT TERM, UM, AND ONE LEASEE, OR IS THIS, WILL THIS BE PERMANENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SENIORS OR GMDC? OUR NONPROFIT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST, UM, ORGANIZATION IN TEXAS TO CREATE WHAT'S CALLED A COMMUNITY LAND, WHICH IS A 99 YEAR AFFORDABILITY TERM, USUALLY DONE FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, CURRENTLY, EVERYTHING THAT WE, I CAN THINK OF THAT WE BUILT SINCE 2004, WE PUT A 99 YEAR AFFORDABILITY TERM ON THAT VIA A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN. UM, SO WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT AT ALL. UM, IT ACTUALLY HELPS ART. WE PAY TAXES ON OUR PROPERTIES AND IT HELPS US REDUCE THE TAXES BECAUSE OF THE LONGTERM AFFORDABILITY WITH RESTRICTIONS ALSO, UH, RELATED TO THE INCOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS OR FAMILY MEMBERS WHO LIVE THERE. SO IT WILL BE RESTRICTED LEGALLY RESTRICTED IN TERMS OF THE INCOME LEVELS AND THE, THE TERM. AND MY SENSE NOW IS IT'LL BE A 99 YEAR TERM. SO THAT, THAT IS AS CLOSE TO PERMANENT AS YOU CAN GET IN THE STATE OF TEXAS BY LAW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. MR. MEYERS, MARK ELLA, WHEN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS HAVE COME UP IN THE PAST, WE HAVE ALLOWED HISTORIC ZONING TO REMAIN ON THE HISTORIC PROPERTY AND SEVERED THE NON HISTORIC PORTION AND REMOVED HISTORIC ZONING ON THAT. UM, IS THAT YOUR UNDERSTANDING ON THIS PROJECT AND THAT WASN'T MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. UM, CURRENTLY WE DON'T USE THE HISTORIC, UH, PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION ON THE PROPERTY ANYWAY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE OTHER, THE OTHER EXEMPTIONS THAT WE GET A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST EXEMPTION, EVEN AT A SOLAR EXEMPTION. AND THEN AS A, AS A TURBO, A COMMUNITY HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION WERE ELIGIBLE TO GET A REDUCED VALUATION BASED ON THE INCOME. AND THEN THAT'S A CUT IN HALF, BASICALLY THERE'S A 50% EXEMPTION. SO OUR TAXES USUALLY REMAIN VERY LOW BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. UM, THE TOWER KNOW, EVEN IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE HISTORIC OR THE PROPERTY UNDERNEATH THE TOWER, IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE DESIGNATION OF HISTORIC, WE WOULD STILL GET EXEMPTIONS BASED ON THE AFFORDABILITY AND THE TERM THAT I MEANT THE 99 YEAR TERM, ET CETERA. SO THAT'S FINE. SORRY. I'VE LOST YOU GUYS THERE FOR A SECOND. UM, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, CYNTHIA NELSON WAS UP. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO ALLOW ME TO SPEAK. I'M CYNTHIA NELSON. I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE TYNDALL CONDO, WHERE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PROPOSED, THAT'D BE SAID, UM, THE LOPEZ, AND I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE RESIDENTS, I ASKED YOU TO VOTE AGAINST A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR FOUR REASONS. ONE THE SCALE OF THE PROPOSED NINE STORY TOWER COMPARED TO THE ONE STORY HOME IS INAPPROPRIATE. THE SCALE LACKS HUMAN CONTEXT, AND SUCH, AND, UM, SORT OF TIGHT AND CONFINED SPACE, NO MATTER WHAT EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE USED, WHAT WE KNOW THOUGH TO HIDE HOW OUT OF PROPORTION [01:15:01] THE TOWER IS TO THE HOME. SECONDLY, THE CURRENT PLAN ELIMINATES THE FRONT YARD. THE UPDATED PLAN MOVES THE HOME FORWARD. SIX FEET COVERING THE LEVEL OF SPACE IN FRONT OF THE HOME. THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WAS PREVIOUSLY COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING THE HOME FORWARD. AS LONG AS IT RETAINED A FRONT YARD, BASED ON THE SLOPE OF THE PROPERTY, MOVING THE HOME WOULD EFFECTIVELY ELIMINATE THAT THIRD. THE PLAN TO CREATE VISUAL SEPARATION BETWEEN THE HOME AND TOWER BY ADDING TREES IS A GAMBLE AT BEST STATED TO MOVE THE HOME FORWARD IS TO CREATE VISUAL SEPARATION AND PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE HOME OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TREE. ISN'T A SMALL ARIELA DESCRIBED IN THE SHADOW OF A NINE STORY TOWER WILL LIKELY BE UNSUCCESSFUL FOR THE TREES SHOULD NOT BE RELIED UPON TO PRESERVE THE SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP AND CHARACTER OF THE HOME LASTING. THE HEIGHT IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN RECENT YEARS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMALIE ACROSS THE STREET AT FOUR STORIES, AND WHEN THE TIMBER WAS CONSTRUCTED, REQUIRED TO STEP BACK ALONG NINTH STREET, WHICH IS WHY THE TINDALL IS ONLY FOUR STORIES HIGH ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROJECT, THIS REDUCED HEIGHT WAS STOPPED BY THE COUNCIL TO BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD NINE STORY BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO IT, OVERSHADOWING THE LOPEZ HOUSE, AND THEN THE DRIEST BUILDINGS IN THE AREA WE'LL LOOK AT A PLACE AND THEN NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC LOPEZ HOUSE. BASED ON THESE FOUR REASONS YOU VOTE AGAINST IT ISSUING A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER MATT MATHIAS RIGGINGS COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS MATT MESSIAH. I GREW UP IN NORTHEAST AUSTIN AND I WENT TO PIERCE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL REAGAN AND GRADUATED FROM LB GAY. MY WIFE AND I HAD BEEN VOLUNTEERS AND HE SAW AUSTIN FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS. AND DO THAT REGULARLY ON AN ONGOING BASIS. I JUST TELL YOU THIS TO SAY, I'M NOT A NEWCOMER. I LOVE THE PEOPLE IN THE HISTORY OF EAST AUSTIN. WE WERE INVOLVED WITH AUSTIN REVITALIZATION AUTHORITY IN THE COMPLETE REDEVELOPMENT OF EAST 11TH STREET AS THERE A PRIVATE SECTOR PARTNER IN THAT REDEVELOPMENT. SO WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE AREA A LONG, LONG TIME. AND MR. HATCH IS A RESPECTED ARCHITECT AND IS SOMEONE WHO THAT I ADMIRE. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE CAUSE OF GE AND DC FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS AN APPROPRIATE AND A GREAT CAUSE FOR OUR CITY ALSO, BUT AFFORDABILITY SHOULD NOT OVERSHADOW THE HISTORY OF EAST AUSTIN AFFORDABILITY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO OVERSHADOW THE HISTORY OF EAST AUSTIN. I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT OVER 20 YEARS AGO IN THE YEAR 2000, WHEN IT WAS ZONED, ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES SHOWN HATCHED HERE ON THE SCREEN, OR THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF THE NCCD ORDINANCE. UH, ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE REZONED IN 2001 BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAD APPROVAL FOR 1.5 MILLION SQUARE FOOT REGIONAL MALL ON THE SITE. UM, I BET COMMISSIONER HAIM, SAS REMEMBERS THOSE, UH, THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. UH, AND WE ENTERED INTO A ONE YEAR PROCESS WHERE THE CITY OF AUSTIN WAS THE APPLICANT TO DOWN ZONE ALL OF THESE PROPERTIES, UH, INCLUDING, BUT IS SHOWN HERE AS THE LOPEZ PROPERTY, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE NCCD. WE, WE STARTED A ONE YEAR PROCESS OF NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORS, UH, WHICH WAS HEADED UP BY MR. ROGERS. YOU SPOKE A MINUTE AGO. MS. LOPEZ WAS PART OF THAT. I WAS PART OF THAT AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN OVERSAW THAT PROCESS, THEY IN THAT PROCESS, RESIDENTIAL USES WERE, WERE ADDED AS A POTENTIAL USE, WHICH HAD BEEN PROHIBITED UNDER THE PRIOR ORDINANCE FOR A MALL. THE HEIGHTS WERE ALTERED IN THE DENSITIES WERE ALTERED IN ALL REDUCED. UH, I WANT TO POINT OUT, I BELIEVE MR. ROGERS MISSPOKE SIGNIFICANTLY A MOMENT AGO WHEN HE SAID HE WAS ALLOWED 105 FEET ON THE LOPEZ PROPERTY UNDER THE NCCD. THAT IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. THE ENTIRE BLOCK THAT THE LOPEZ HAS GONE IS 70 FEET IN HEIGHT, INCLUDING THE LOPEZ HOUSE. AND AFTER THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH HAD PASSED TWICE IN 2001, UM, MR. ROGERS HIMSELF, MS. LOPEZ IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, GUADALUPE HAD NEVER HAD GROUP, UH, APPEALED FURTHER TO COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, TO REDUCE HEIGHTS AROUND [01:20:01] THE LOPEZ HOUSE, UH, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. AS WE STATED ON THE THIRD, THE HIKE ALONG EAST NINTH STREET WAS REDUCED 50 FEET ALONG THE ENTIRE BLOCK OF THE LOPEZ HOUSE ON, ON NINTH STREET, IN ORDER TO FURTHER PROTECT THE LOPEZ THAT MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER ALVAREZ AND SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER THOMAS, WHICH I THINK IS SIGNIFICANT. UH, TODAY WE ARE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER A TOWER OF 112 FEET WHERE 70 FEET IS ALLOWED ON THE ENTIRE BLOCK, AROUND THE LOPEZ HOUSE AND INCLUDING THE LOPEZ PROPERTY WITH A REDUCTION OF 50 FEET FULLY NEGOTIATED BY COUNCIL WITH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE OTHER THREE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN THIS SUB DISTRICT HAVE ALL COMPLIED A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH THE HEIGHT AND DENSITY OF THE MCCB YET, FOR SOME REASON, AFFORDABILITY ON LOT IS BEING USED TO SAY, WE WANT TO INCREASE THE HEIGHT ABOVE WHAT IS THE LAST, AND IT'S, IT'S INTERESTING THAT MR. ROGERS, THE NEIGHBOR PICKED ROOTS AND THE SLOPE I HAVE TO STOP YOU THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? YES. MR. JOSE. YEAH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU SAY IS THAT THE NCCD CURRENTLY, UH, HAS A LOWER HEIGHT LIMIT. HAS THAT BEEN CHANGED OR IS THERE SOME BONUS THAT IS BEING GRANTED THIS PROPERTY? ALL OF A SUDDEN, I THINK THAT MARK, I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS ADDRESSED TO THEM. I SAID ON TITLEMENTS ALLOW US, UM, THE CALL HEIGHT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS BASED ON THE NCCD MEASURE, SIR, SIR. EXCUSE ME. YES. THE QUESTION WAS DIRECTED TO MR. MATTHIAS. OKAY. SORRY. THE, UH, THE ENTIRE BLOCK BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE, THREE 35 AND EMBASSY STREET WAS GREENLIT 70 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT, THE NCCD IN 2001 THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN, CAME WITH THE EXPRESSION TO PROTECT THE LOPEZ HOUSE. ON THE THIRD READING, THE HYPE WAS BROUGHT ALONG NINTH STREET, WHICH IS THE FRONT DOOR OF THE LOPEZ HOME TO 50 FEET FOR THE FIRST 50 FEET OF A NIGHT. THREE. I'M SORRY, I'M GETTING FEEDBACK. I'M HEARING MYSELF SPEAKING IN AN ECHO. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY, UM, THAT HAS NEVER BEEN CHANGED, BUT OUR UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE USING THE AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKED THE NEW AFFORDABILITY, UNLOCK THE ORDINANCE TO ASK FOR A 50% BONUS IN HEIGHT ABOUT WHAT THE NCCD ALLOWS. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD, THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I WAS ASKING FOR. THANK YOU. YES, COMMISSIONER. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE USING AFFORDABLY UNLOCKED AND EXACTLY THE WAY COUNSEL INTENDED TO BE USED. UM, YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING EARLIER. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YOU SAID AFFORDABILITY SHOULD NOT OVERSHADOW. YOU SAID AUSTIN OR AUSTIN CULTURE. I JUST, I WANTED TO, I MISSED THE VERY END OF WHAT YOU SAID. SO I WANTED TO ASK ONE MORE TIME. IF YOU COULD REPEAT THAT. I SAID IT'S NOT OVER THE HISTORY OF EAST AUSTIN. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE 50 FOOT HEIGHT AT A CERTAIN DISTANCE. WHAT IS THE, I'M NOT SURE WHO BEST TO ANSWER THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE ENTIRE DEPTH OF THE LOT AND DOES THAT 50 FEET NONSTOP ROUGHLY WITH THE BACK OF THE EXISTING HOUSE? 150 FEET DEEP. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. NO, IT IS. AND YET THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE, PLUS THE FRONT YARD GO BACK PROBABLY VERY CLOSE TO THAT. 50 FEET, IF NOT A LITTLE BEYOND IT. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOUGHT FOR THAT 50 FOOT HEIGHT ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF EAST NINTH STREET IN ORDER TO NOT OVERSHADOW THE HOUSE. AND IT WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S DONE NOW. THAT'S THE WAY THAT TINDER WAS BUILT. AND THEN THE THING WILL RISE UP TO 70 FEET BASICALLY, UM, JUST BEFORE THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. SO IT'S ALREADY GOT US A 70 FOOT TOWER BEHIND THE HOUSE AND THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE THAT LOOKS ABOUT THE POINT WHERE THE TOWER WOULD BE, WHERE THAT WE'RE IN THAT HYPE INCREASES. YEAH. I THINK HE'S A LITTLE FARTHER BEHIND THAT. OKAY. I THINK THERE'S A 74 HEIGHT OF THE TYNDALL. [01:25:01] THAT WOULD BE VISIBLE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE WESTPORT, THE HOUSE, YOU SEE THE SPINDLE AT 70 FEET AND THEN THE FOLLOWUP. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION FOR MR. MATTHIAS MOVING ON TO, UM, SCOTT BRUNER. HI, GOOD EVENING. UH, I'M ALSO A NEIGHBOR OF THE LOPEZ LIVING IN THE TYNDALL CONDOS, AND I TAKE THE SUBJECT IN VERY WELL COVERED. UH, I WILL JUST TAKE A, I'LL TAKE LESS THAN A MINUTE OF EVERYONE'S TIME JUST TO STATE THAT, UH, STEVE MADE SOME COMMENT IN 2011, THAT THE HOUSE WAS SIGNIFICANT WHERE ITS ARCHITECTURE, ITS HISTORIC ASSOCIATION OR COMMUNITY VALUE FOR TELLING THE STORY OF THE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. UH, AND SO THE DAY IT FEELS LIKE THAT THE PROPOSED OVERWHELMING NINE STORY LOPEZ TOWER IN THE BACKYARD AS A LOPEZ POEM IS INCONSISTENT WITH THAT, WITH THE LANDMARK STATUS. SO AGAIN, OTHERS MADE THE POINT VERY WELL. I DON'T THINK I NEED TO ELABORATE, OBVIOUSLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE NO, AS, AS PROPOSED. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? I'M MOVING ON TO ITEM B FIVE 17 EAST 21ST STREET, MICHELLE LUNCH. DID HE MAKE COMMISSIONERS? THIS IS MICHELLE LYNCH WITH MATT CASTLE, STEWART AND WILLIAMS. UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT. MOST OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMODORE PERRY RESTORATION EFFORTS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, AS FAT AS INDICATED IN THEIR REPORT. THE STANDARDS THAT RELATE TO SIGNAGE AND HISTORIC AREAS ARE MORE CLOSELY RELATED TO SIXTH STREET, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO POLE SIGNS AND NOT NECESSARILY AREAS SUCH AS RED RIVER. UM, WE HAVE MADE SURE THAT THE SIGNS WERE TASTEFULLY CRAFTED TO RESEMBLE A 1920 DESIGN WITH THE NEON HALO. AND THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR ALMOST IDENTICAL STYLE SIGNS ON A HISTORIC HOTEL THAT REDO CALLED THE SAINT CECILIA. YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH THAT CONGRESSMEN ACADEMY, WHICH WAS ALSO AN HISTORIC STRUCTURE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, WHILE NOT HISTORIC. UM, THERE IS EXPOSED ME ON, ON A, ON A SIGN POLE, BUT EXISTS JUST A BLOCK UP AT A BUSINESS CALLED THE AUSTIN VINTAGE GUITARS, THE ACTUAL SHAPE OF A GUITAR, THE SIGN AT THE CORNER OF 41ST THAT YOU CAN SEE IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS IS AN EXISTING POLE THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY DECADES. UM, AND IT'S VERY NEXT TO TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL BOXES LOOK CLUTTERED THERE. THE SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE, THE NOTE, THE ONE ALLOWED ENTRANCE DRIVEWAY TO THE PROJECT, UM, ON BUSY RED RIVER STREET, UH, IT'S IN A VERY EASY TURN TO MISS IF YOU'VE DRIVEN THAT WAY. AGAIN, THE SIGNS ARE TASTEFULLY DONE AND IN LINE WITH SIMILAR NEON SIGNS OF OTHER HISTORIC REDEVELOPMENT WITH LANDMARK AND BASED ON THIS INFORMATION AND STAFF INPUT, WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER, MR. MYERS? UM, AT LEAST ONE OF THESE SIGNS IS ALREADY YET. UM, WHY DIDN'T WE BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS? UM, YES, MA'AM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE SIGNS ALREADY IN PLACE? UM, I WAS ALSO NOT AWARE OF THAT UNTIL RECENTLY. UM, MY ONLY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IN THE RUSH TO GET THE HOTEL OPEN AND THE PANDEMIC CRAZINESS, BUT THAT WAS UNFORTUNATELY OVERLOOKED. UM, I'M, UH, BRINGING IT NOW BECAUSE WE IMMEDIATELY, AFTER TALKING TO MR. DELSEY REALIZED THE OVERSIGHT AND QUICKLY PUT IN THE APPLICATION MATERIALS. UM, SO I'VE TRIED TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO GET TO YOU AS SOON AS I CAN. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'M MOVING ON TO ITEM C THREE, WHICH IS THREE 19 TO THREE 23 EAST SIXTH STREET. FIRST WE'LL HEAR FROM RON BASKET. OH, I'M SORRY. I'M GETTING, UM, FEEDBACK. I'M WORKING ON THIS PROJECT. I'VE BEEN WORKING IN AUSTIN FOR 40 YEARS, PEPPER DIVERSIONS. THE OWNER HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY BEEN LEASING SPACE, JASON HISTORIC BUILDING [01:30:01] TO THE EAST, UH, PROPERTY FOR CORPORATE AND PRIVATE EVENT. AND HE'S WISHING TO ADD THE THIRD FLOOR TO ACCOMMODATE THE INCREASED NEED FOR THESE SPACES ON SIXTH STREET, HE'S INFORMED ME THAT HE QUALIFIES FOR THE HERITAGE GRANT, PROMOTING TOURISTS. MAGGIE MELODY WORKS CLOSELY WITH THE AUSTIN VISITORS AND CONVENTION BUREAU TO COMBINATE CORPORATE VISITORS THERE BY INCREASING SALES TAX, UH, LOCAL SPENDING BY VISITORS, UH, AND SPECIFICALLY WILL ENHANCE THAT EFFORT. UH, THE OWNER IS PUTTING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO THIS PROJECT DURING THIS VERY UNCERTAIN TIME FOR THE BAR BUSINESS. AND I'M SURE YOU'RE PROBABLY LIKE ME. YOU WANT THE BAR BUSINESS TO COME BACK SOON AS YOU CAN. I REALLY WANTED TO BE DOING SWING DANCE LESSONS BY NOW, BUT I'VE BEEN HELD UP FROM THAT. BUT ANYWAY, HE WANTS TO USE THIS IMPOSED CUT DOWN TIME TO BUILD UP ITS MAXIMUM POTENTIAL, UH, UH, AREA. AND WITH THE ATTENTION OF PASSING THIS ON TO HIS FAMILY, WHEN THE TIME COMES, UH, YOU HISTORY BUFF, THE OWNER IS A REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IS OCCUPIED THIS SPACE FOR 42 YEARS SINCE 1978, UH, IS PURCHASED, UH, THE THREE BUILDINGS OVER THE TIME. UH, LAST, WHEN HE PURCHASED WAS, UH, IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, JUST IN TIME FOR THE COCONUT SHUTDOWN ROOF DECK WITH THAT ADDED 1991, MY COVER PAGE DOES A SHEET, A PHOTO OF THE BUILDING OPTIMIZED FROM YOUR GUIDELINES. UH, SO AT THAT TIME IN 1991, HE ADDED A STRUCTURAL GRID AND EGRESS THERE, UH, 29 YEARS AGO. AND THESE TWO THINGS OR KIND OF, UH, I'M HAVING TO DEAL WITH, UH, AS I SAID, BUILD UPWARDS. AND SO I'VE UNFORTUNATELY IMPOSED, DIDN'T FIGURE SETBACK ABOUT, ABOUT TWO AND A HALF FEET GIVE OR TAKE. AND, UH, THIS SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY POINT AND YET STAFF REPORTS THAT POSE A BIT OF A PROBLEM. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE 15 FEET THERE. I'VE DONE MY BEST TO MINIMIZE THAT AS POSSIBLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, TRYING TO ENCLOSE THE STAIR AND THE NECESSARY COLUMN GRIDS AND ON THE THIRD FLOOR SET BACK A BIT FROM THE, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE DEPTH. UH, THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS BACK BEYOND 25. THERE'S A, UH, A DEBT, UH, PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT. I WOULD SAY IN MY PROFESSIONAL JUDGMENT, I'D CONTEND THE AMOUNT OF INTRUSION THAT I'M PROPOSING HERE IS MUCH LESS OFFENSIVE THAN THAT, OF OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE WEST, UH, THE BLIND PIG. AND I HOPE THAT THE COMMISSION APPRECIATES THAT WE'RE ASKING HERE ASKING FOR PERMISSION, NOT ASKING FORGIVENESS, UH, LIKE THE BLIND PICNICS OR, UH, AND GRANT US THIS PROPOSAL, UM, TO ADD THESE TWO FLOORS TO THE BUILDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BASKET? I HAVE A QUESTION. UH, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT CONSIDERATIONS YOU'VE GIVEN TO THE, THE DESIGN, THE MATERIALS OF SIMPLICITY? SO AS NOT TO DETRACT FROM THE HISTORIC BUILDINGS BELOW, IT, IT, UH, IT LOOKS A LITTLE BUSIER THAN IT PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE. AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, WHAT, WHAT THOUGHTS OR WHAT, UH, WHAT YOU DID MINIMIZE THE VISUAL IMPACT OF IT? YES. UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO SEND A PICTURE I AM, BUT, UM, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS THREE STRUCTURES AND THEY'RE ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SO IT WAS A LITTLE LIKE, WHAT DO I DO IN THIS SITUATION? SO, WHEN I WAS TRYING TO DO IS KIND OF A COUNTERBALANCE THAT WITH THE KIND OF PROJECTION ON THE SECOND, THIRD FLOOR, UH, DIAGONALLY CROSS, SOME KIND OF THE BUFF BRICK BUILDING, I WAS THINKING THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE THE WOOD, UM, KIND OF MORE NATURAL MATERIAL. AND IN THE BUILDING THAT KIND OF RECEDES IN THE BACK WOULD BE MORE, THE GREEN KIND OF CLABBERED BUILD IT. UM, SO I WAS KIND OF LIKE COLLABORATIVE SIDING ON THAT LEFT SIDING AND THEN VERTICAL BOARD AND BATTENS ON THE, UH, THE WOOD PART IN THE PROJECTION AND JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE COLORS. AND THEN THE WOODS KIND OF WOULD SORT OF MIMIC THE, UH, THE BUFF, UH, BRICK, WHICH IS, UH, PRETTY, UH, ATTAINED 0.1 [01:35:04] WHEN I WAS TRYING TO MAKE UP A STORY FOR THIS THING, UH, READING YOUR GUIDELINES ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS PROJECT AND GOING BACK TO WHEN IT WAS LIKE WAGON YARDS AND LIVERY STABLES AND BLACK SMELLS, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF TOOK THE FANTASY OF, WELL, WHAT IF THIS WAS SORT OF ONE OF THOSE KINDS OF BUILDINGS BACK IN THE DAY, LET'S SAY IT WAS A, A WAGON YARD AND YOU'D HAD THESE BIG, UH, OPENINGS THAT ARE NOW GARAGE DOORS, UH, FOR THE FIRST FLOOR FOR THOSE KINDS OF USES. AND THEN UPSTAIRS WAS THE LIVING QUARTERS, THE FAMILY, OR SOME SORT OF PUBLIC SPACE. UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT WAS KINDA MY FANTASY OF TRYING TO, UH, DO SOMETHING THAT KIND OF RESPONDED TO, UH, SIXTH STREET. YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT, UH, THE STAFF SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD BE MOVED FURTHER BACK AND YOUR RENDERINGS DO SHOW THAT IT IS STILL GOING TO BE QUITE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH AN EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT YOU'RE BUILDING A ABOVE THE EXISTING ELEVATOR, IS THAT RIGHT? BUT YEAH, THEY'RE IN SPECIAL DREADS. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REST OF THE STRUCTURE BACK, EVEN IF THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT INTRUDED, YOU WENT FURTHER BACK, THE 15 FEET, I BELIEVE IT WAS THAT THEY WERE SUGGESTING. I KNOW IT WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK A LOT LESS DOMINANT, RIGHT. SO I'M STICKING IT ON THE, I WOULD LOVE TO MOVE IT BACK AS JUST THE STRUCTURAL GRID KIND OF DOESN'T ALLOW FOR THAT. AND IF I DID THE STAIR WELL WOULD BE POKING OUT, UH, THERE'S A LANDING UP THERE. IF YOU GO TO THE LAST PAGE IN MY PROPOSAL PRETTY, UH, DESCRIBED THOSE TWO CONSTRAINTS. UH, I THINK IN A LOT OF DETAIL, UH, BUT YEAH, THERE'S AN EXISTING STAIR THAT'S DATED, YOU KNOW, THE GUIDELINES, UM, AND IT'S KINDA HARD TO MOVE AND IT WAS ONLY LIKE TWO FEET THAT WE'D HAVE TO MOVE IT, BUT THAT'S A BIG UNDERTAKING. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR YOUR CONSENT TO, UH, STICK OUT TWO FEET PLUS, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE LINE? OKAY. TO RAY HEAD? NOPE. OKAY. UM, THAT WAS IT FOR THAT CASE. SO MOVING ON TO C FOUR, WHICH IS 32 11 OAKMONT, UM, AND ZIP. YES. HI, MY NAME IS KIM AND I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND, UM, I'M SORRY, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS KIND OF THING. SO I JUST, UM, WANTED TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, OBVIOUSLY. UM, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE VERY EXCITED TO GET OUR FAMILY INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE BEEN, UM, THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD WITH OUR ARCHITECT, UM, TO COME UP WITH, UM, A SOLUTION, UM, IN ORDER TO STAY COHESIVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ACHIEVING A DELICATE BALANCE, UM, WITH THE EVER CHANGING NEEDS OF OUR GROWING FAMILY, AS, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, HANDLE THESE UNPRECEDENTED TIMES, WE'RE WORKING FROM HOME AND WE ARE, OUR PLANS HAVE CHANGED ALONG THE WAY, UM, IN RESPONSE TO THAT AND TRYING TO DEVELOP, UM, A HOME THAT, UH, CAN GET US THROUGH THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS WE HAVE GROWING CHILDREN. SO WE ARE VERY EXCITED TO PROCEED WITH THIS AND FEEL VERY LUCKY TO BE A PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE THINK EVERYBODY FOR ALL OF YOUR TIME, UM, INCLUDING THE COMMISSION AND THE BRICK WOODS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO US. UM, SO WE LOOK VERY MUCH FORWARD TO MOVING THIS ALONG. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER? HI, UM, THIS IS COMMISSIONER MYERS. UM, I WENT THROUGH, UH, THE BACKUP MATERIALS AND SOLVE THE VARIOUS, UM, OTHER [01:40:01] EXAMPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF HOUSES THAT, UM, THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED AS HAVING SOME OF THE FEATURES THAT, UM, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH AND THEY WERE ALL NEW PROPERTIES OR AT LEAST THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE, WERE NEW PROPERTIES. WOULD YOU BE AMENABLE TO REDUCING, UM, SOME OF THE BUSY-NESS OF, OF YOUR DESIGN WITH THE VARIOUS CHIPPED AND GABLES AND SHED, UM, DORMERS AND THINGS, AND ALSO, UM, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED TAKING THE GARAGE, UM, DOING SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THE FRONT GARAGE ON THE HOUSE? HI THERE. UM, UH, I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. I'M SORRY. DID, DID I STOP YOU TOO EARLY? YEAH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. OKAY. YES. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS KIM'S UP SELL THE PROPERTY OWNER OF A 32 11 OKLAHOMA. UM, SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UH, SPECIFICALLY WE DID, WE, WE FIRST MET, WE WERE, WE WERE PROACTIVE AND WE, UM, SUBMITTED OUR PLANS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO THE BREAKER WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THEY VOCALIZED THOSE CONCERNS AS WELL. IT WAS A COHESIVE VOICE WITH WHAT WE LEARNED FROM KARA AND WORKING WITH KARA AS WELL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS WITH THE BUSY-NESS. UM, AND WE WENT BACK WITH OUR ARCHITECTS AND WE REVISITED THE POSSIBILITIES, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE THAT, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MODIFIED THAT QUOTE UNQUOTE BUSY-NESS OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND IN DOING SO WE HAD, WE WERE TRYING NOT TO SACRIFICE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE INSIDE OF THE HOUSE. SO WORKING WITHIN WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE INTERIOR FOOTPRINT, WE'VE WE DID GO AHEAD AND MODIFY COMPONENTS OF THE HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU SEE THE FIRST, UM, RENDERING WE SUBMITTED. UM, WE HAD SINCE ADDED A GABLE AT THE FRONT PORCH, WE ADMITTED SOME OF THE SHINGLES THAT I THINK CONTRIBUTED TO, THAT WE GOT RID OF A GABLE ON THE STAIRWAY, ON THE SECOND FLOOR. UM, WE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BLEND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S THIS DELICATE BALANCE THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACHIEVE TO CREATE A FUNCTIONAL HOME FOR OUR FAMILY, UM, AND WORKING FROM HOME AND HAVING KIDS LEARNING FROM HOME AND TAKING ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OF THIS GOES ON, YOU KNOW, MUCH LONGER HOW WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO USE THE SPACE. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. UM, WE ALSO HAVE, I BELIEVE THE ARCHITECT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK UNLESS I RAN INTO QUESTIONS FOR THE OWNER, MAYBE HASTINGS. HI. YES. UM, KATIE HASTINGS HERE ARCHITECT. UM, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ALLOWING HIM TO SPEAK. UM, SO I SHOULD FOLLOW UP ON WHAT KIM, UM, WAS DISCUSSING, UH, DOES A POLE HIRED ME AS AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN THEM AT HOME, UM, A CUSTOM HOME FOR THEIR FAMILY TO LIVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR YEARS TO COME THEY'RE. UM, THEY ARE, KIDS ARE ALREADY ENROLLED IN BREAKAWAY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEY JUST WANT TO BE A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE ON THE, ON THE SAME SIDE OF 35TH STREET TO BE ABLE TO WALK THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL. UM, SO I'M JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURAL, UM, UH, UH, STRATEGIES WE USED TO ARRIVE AT THIS DESIGN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, WE, ONE THING THAT WE DID WAS WE WANTED TO DEFINITELY MAKE SURE TO EMPHASIZE, UH, THE FRONT PORCH, WHICH I KNOW IS IMPORTANT TO THE BRIGHTON WOODS NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND JUST THE SOCIALNESS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, FAMILY HANGING OUT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND ALSO TO, UM, USE SOME HORIZONTAL STRATEGIES. THEY ARE AT THE FRONT PORCH TO EMPHASIZE THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. UM, GIVEN THAT HISTORICALLY THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IS MOSTLY ONE STORY HOMES. NOW THAT HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT. AND IN CURRENT TIMES WITH CURRENT NEEDS OF FAMILIES. UM, AND SO WE STRATEGICALLY OR VERY PURPOSEFULLY, UM, WANTED TO, UM, STEP THE HOUSE BACK FROM THE STREET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WHILE ALSO MAXIMIZING THEIR LOT. SO WHAT, UM, SPECIFICALLY TO ANSWER, UM, MS. MEYER'S QUESTION, THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY SET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE BY ABOUT 15 FEET. IT'S HARD TO TELL IN THE 2D ELEVATION OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIDE, ELEVATION THE SIDE, ELEVATION NORTH, YOU SEE THE CAR IN ELEVATION. AND SO THERE'S A CARPORT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE, AND THAT WAS INTENTIONAL TO, UM, SET [01:45:01] IT BACK FARTHER, UH, FROM THE STREET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, AND ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE DESIGN OF THE SECOND STORY, WE DID THE SAME THING TRYING TO STEP BACK THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE FROM THE STREET, AND ALSO FROM THE HERITAGE TREES IN FRONT OF THE FLAW, THEY'RE GORGEOUS, UM, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE IT TO THE, SO THE FRONT OF THE SECOND STORY ACTUALLY STEPPED BACK. IT VARIES BETWEEN 10 AND 15 FEET FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT MIGHT NOT BE TOTALLY CLEAR IN TWO D DRAWINGS IS HOW MUCH THE SECOND STORY WILL STEP BACK FROM THE FRONT, UM, AND ALLOWED THE FIRST FLOOR TO, UM, BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE PROMINENT. UM, LET'S SEE. UM, WE USED, WE DID USE WE'RE, WE ARE USING SOME AWNING ROOF OVER WINDOWS, UM, TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL, BUT ACTUALLY TO SPEAK TO KIM POINT ABOUT FUNCTION, TO PROVIDE SOME SHADING AND WATER PROTECTION FOR THOSE WINDOWS. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, UM, NOT IDEAL FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT TO HAVE WINDOWS WITH NO PROTECTION AND NO, SOME SHADING. UM, WE HAVE TAKEN SOME OF THIS STAFF OF PARIS COMMENTS FROM, TO CHANGE THE PORTIONS OF WINDOWS ON THE, ON THE, ON THE FRONT FACADE TO BE SET UP THE WINDOWS, ALL SORT OF MATCHING THEIR PAIRINGS, BUT BETTER. AND WE'VE ADDED COLUMNS ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE STEP TO THE FRONT, MAKE THAT, UM, MAKE THE PORCH THAT MORE PROMINENT. UM, THANK YOU. SO WE'VE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS COMMENTS FROM BOTH BIKER WOODS AND, AND STAFF. UM, AND WE RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. WELL, WHAT I'M READING INTO THIS IS THAT YOU BASICALLY HAVE KEPT THE SAME DESIGN AND IT MADE SOME VERY SMALL ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU THINK MIGHT ACCOMMODATE, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM, AND WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY HERE TO DESIGN FOR YOU, BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE RESPONDING TO IS THAT THE CONCEPT AS IT IS MAST IS REALLY NOT LENDING ITSELF TO COMPATIBILITY WITH ADJACENT ONE-STORY PRIMARILY HORIZONTAL RANCH STYLE STRUCTURES. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THE WAY YOU'VE GONE ABOUT THIS DESIGN THAT WOOD WOULD EMULATE OR BLEND IN WITH THAT. NOW WE COULD, IF YOU WERE AGREEABLE, PERHAPS GO THROUGH IDEAS WITH YOU, OR I SHOULD SAY WE, MY COLLEAGUES WITH OUR SUBCOMMITTEE, UH, THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SUBCOMMITTEE, I THINK WE'RE STILL CALLING IT THAT. UM, BUT I CAN JUST SAY IF THAT COMMITTEE, IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS YOUR SIDE ELEVATION, WHERE INSTEAD OF HAVING THE MASSIVE HEIGHT OF THAT BIG GABLE FACING THE STREET AND BEING A PROMINENT DESIGN ELEMENT, YOU LOOK AT YOUR SIDE ELEVATION AND YOU TOOK THAT AND YOU TURNED IT 90 DEGREES. EVEN USING THAT ELEMENT AGAINST THE STREET WOULD KEEP THE SAME MASS WITHIN THE ROOF, BUT WOULD NOT PUSH IT. SO PROMINENTLY AGAINST THE STREET. OWNER'S NOT WILLING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME, BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE REALLY TALKING APPLES TO APPLES HERE. THERE'S THERE'S LITTLE TEENY PIECES THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN A DESIGN THAT REALLY IS NOT APPROPRIATE, OR WE COULD HAVE YOU GO THROUGH AND RETHINK THE DESIGN. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND THE OWNER WILL HAVE TO DISCUSS, BUT IF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT, WE COULD POSTPONE IT AND ALLOW THAT COMMISSIONED AT THE COMMITTEE TO MEET. CAN I SHARE? I JUST THINK THIS IS CARE. THEY'RE TRYING TO ARCHITECT AND ONLY ATTEMPT TO RESPOND, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE DOES HAVE A LIMITED AGENDA THESE DAYS, BECAUSE IT'S A VIRTUAL MEETING. SO WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, WE CAN DO OUR BEST, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES IN TERMS OF GETTING, ESPECIALLY NON-LOCALLY DESIGNATED PROJECTS ON THE AGENDA. WELL, THERE'S THE SHORT VERSION OF WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY IS WHAT I JUST MENTIONED. CAN YOU, CAN YOU BRING THE PLATE HEIGHT DOWN AGAINST THE STREET? SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS TURNING IT 90 DEGREES. SO THE SIDE ELEVATION THAT I SAW ARE ELEMENTS THAT MIGHT WORK. IF YOU INTEGRATE THAT INTO A DESIGN. THAT'S THE QUESTION? UM, I'M SORRY. AM I ALLOWED TO RESPOND? YES, GO AHEAD. OKAY. UM, I DO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE TO POINT OUT THE, UM, THE GABLE THAT'S OVER THE GARAGE, UM, SHOWN IN THE FRONT ELEVATION THAT GABLE IS SETBACK. IT'S ACTUALLY OVER THE MASTER IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY SET BACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. UM, BYE. I THINK OF THE ELEVATION WITH THE FIREPLACE ON IT OUTSIDE ELEVATION. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. SO THIS PROJECT [01:50:01] DOES HAVE, WHAT'S CALLED A HABITABLE ADDICTS DESIGNED INTO IT, UM, WHICH IS COMPLETELY ALLOWABLE BY MCMANSION. AND, UM, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A STORY BY CODE BY LOCAL CODE AS WELL AS NATIONAL CODE. UM, SO THE POLES WERE INTERESTED IN THE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR THEIR FAMILY, BUT THE INTENT OF THE, THE MCMANSION, UH, OR THE CODE RELATED TO A HABITABLE ATTIC IS TO NOT ADD ADDITIONAL MATH TO THE STRUCTURE AND TO KEEP IT UNDER ROOF LINES. THAT COULD BE THERE IF IT WAS A TWO STORY HOUSE. UM, SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT. UM, ALSO I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE IS ACTUALLY QUITE A BIT BELOW THE 10TH. THE CITY MET MANAGEMENT, HENCE THE ONLY PLACE THAT IT PENETRATES A TENT IS ON THAT, THAT, UH, SOUTH ELEVATION. AND IT'S ONLY A DORMER THAT'S 15 FEET WIDE. UM, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF HIDDEN BY THE CHIMNEY A LITTLE BIT, I BELIEVE, UM, THOUGH, QUITE PROMINENT ON THE FRONT ELEVATION. THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE STREET. WELL, IT'S, IT IS SET BACK THAT, THAT DORMER SET BACK. YEAH. BUT ARCHITECTURALLY, IT IS, IT IS PRESENTED TO THE FRONT ALL THE WAY UP, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN YOUR BUILDING FOR YOU, BUT, UM, THEY'RE, THESE ARE ISSUES THAT MAKE THIS APPROACH, UH, IN MY MIND, UNWORKABLE, IF YOU, OUR DESIRE IS IF OUR COLLECTIVE DESIRES TO GET A BUILDING THAT FITS INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, BUT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE'LL ADD IN OUR CONVERSATION UNLESS OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WROTE THIS IS KIM ZIP? TELL THE OWNER, IS IT OKAY IF I JUST SAY SOMETHING? UM, YES, PLEASE MAKE IT BRIEF. OKAY. UM, OUR INTENTION WITH THE HABITABLE ATTIC IS PRIMARILY FOR STORAGE. UH, WE ARE JUST, WE, WE GREW UP IN THE MIDWEST. WE GREW UP HAVING BASEMENTS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THREE KIDS WITH HOCKEY EQUIPMENT, WE NEED, WE DON'T HAVE A GARAGE. WE INTEND TO USE THAT PRIMARILY FOR STORAGE. SO THAT'S WHAT OUR ORIGINAL INTENTION WAS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE PLANNED TO USE THE MAJORITY OF THE SPACE FOR, UM, THAT THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU. OUR LAST SPEAKER FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS FOR ITEM D THREE EIGHT 15 REFERRED PLACE. UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, THIS, UH, WILL BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING. UM, HOWEVER, CONSIDERING THAT A HOUSE HAS BEEN RESEARCHED AND THE STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT DOES NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A LANDMARK DESIGNATION AS SAID, WHAT IN THE CITY CODE AND FURTHER THAT THE CITY RECOMMENDS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO, UH, ENCOURAGE WHERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY STATION AND ADAPTIVE, REUSE AND RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, BUT THEY DO RELEASE THE PERMIT FOR BOTH HOUSES UPON COMPLETION OF THE, UH, DEMOLITION PACKAGE. UM, SO INSTEAD OF A SPAWNING THAT'S UNTIL SEPTEMBER, I ASKED THAT, UH, THIS, UH, PERMIT BE ISSUED AT THIS TIME. THAT'S IT? ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT, UM, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT. THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTIFICATION YESTERDAY AND BOTH HOUSES WERE CONTRIBUTING TO THE PENDING NATIONAL, THE GARAGE, WHICH I IMAGINE WILL BE DEMOLISHED TO IS ALSO A CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE, BUT WE DISCUSS THAT PACK DURING DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR CALLING IN FROM PUBLIC TESTIMONY, IT'S YOURS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO STAY ON THE LINE TO WHAT'S END FOR ALL THE CASE, WE WILL NOW MOVE [A1. C14H-2019-0161 – Mary Baylor House, 1607 W. 10th Street – Discussion Council District 9] TO ITEM A ONE 1607 WEST 10TH STREET. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS FACE SPACE, UH, BRINGING TO YOU THE MARRIED PAYMENT BAYLOR HOUSE AT 1607 WEST 10TH STREET. THE PROPERTY OWNER [01:55:01] DID AN ADMIRABLE JOB. I THINK OF DESCRIBING THESE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE HOUSE AND SIGNIFICANCE OF THE HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE STAFF REPORT ALSO SETS OUT ALL OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF MS. BAYLOR, UH, DURING HER TENURE IN CLARKSVILLE, SHE WAS ONE OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE CLARKSVILLE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION. APPARENTLY THIS HOUSE WAS ONE OF THE, WAS THE FIRST HOUSE REHABILITATED, UH, B UH, CCBC. SO IN ADDITION TO, UM, HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS AND ARCHITECTURE STOP ALSO BELIEVES THERE COULD BE A CRITERIA FOR COMMUNITY VALUE FOR THIS HOUSE. MS. BAYLOR IS SIGNIFICANTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS HOUSE, UH, AND HER FIGHTS FOR CLARKSVILLE RESULTED IN, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT HER DILIGENCE. SHE FOUGHT FOR PAVED STREETS. SHE FOUGHT FOR SEWER LINES. UH, SHE FOUGHT AGAINST THE MOPAC EXPRESSWAY GOING THROUGH AND TAKING OUT MUCH MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAN IT ACTUALLY DID. AND, UH, SHE WAS VERY CLOSELY INVOLVED IN COMMUNITY ADVOCACY EFFORTS UNTIL SHE PASSED AWAY IN 1997. SO STAFF SUPPORTS AND RECOMMENDS HISTORIC ZONING FOR THE MARY FREEMAN BALER HOUSE FOR ITS ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE HAS A SECOND 1950 CLARKSVILLE COTTAGE, BUT VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WOULD BE HISTORIC MORE HISTORIC HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS WELL AS THE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS WITH MARY FREEMAN BAILEY AND FINALLY POOR COMMUNITY VALUE AS A CENTER OF NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY OVER THE YEAR FOR THE ENTIRE CLARKSVILLE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, MR. SEBASKI, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AND EMOTION ON THE CASE, MR. MARS, I MOVE, WE APPROVE HISTORY ZONING FOR THE MARY FREEMAN BEING YOUR HOUSE. I'LL SECOND. I NEED DISCUSSION JUST TO CLARIFY THAT UNDER THE THREE CRITERIA, BUT MR. SADOSKY OUTLINED FOR ARCHITECTURE, HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS AND COMMUNITY VALUE. THANK YOU. UM, UNDER ALL THREE, UH, CRITERIA, UM, I THINK IT WAS WELL DOCUMENTED. IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT THIS, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT HOUSE, NOT ONLY FOR THE PERSON MARY FREEMAN BALER, BUT THE HOUSE ITSELF AS A GATHERING PLACE AND A MEETING PLACE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADVOCATES. AND SO I THINK COMMUNITY VALUE IS, UH, AS AN IMPORTANT CRITERIA TO MAINTAIN HERE, TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSION. I JUST WANT TO ADD, I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO POINT TO WHEN SOME OF THE FOLKS LOOK AT HOUSES THAT MAY APPEAR VERY MODEST AND MAY NOT OBVIOUSLY BE OF HISTORIC MERIT. AND THEN WE START GETTING THE OWL AND IT'S IN BAD SHAPE AND IT CAN'T BE RESTORED. I MEAN, THIS IS ALL THOSE INGREDIENTS, UH, THAT WE KEEP HAVING THROWN AT US WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING NOT TO DO THE RIGHT THING BY THESE HISTORIC HOUSES. AND HERE WE HAVE AN OWNER THAT HAS DONE EXACTLY THAT WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD STRONGER FOR IT, I'M REALLY PROUD THAT THIS WILL BECOME IDEALLY A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE CLARKSVILLE LEGACY WELL SAID, UH, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES, UH, NINE ZERO. WONDERFUL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. OUR NEXT CASE IS ANOTHER [A2. C14H-02-0010 – The Schieffer House/Agricultural Extension Office, 1154 Lydia Street – Discussion Council District 1 ] OWNER BROUGHT A HISTORIC ZONING CASE. THIS IS THE CHEAPER HOUSE AT 1154 LYDIA STREET. AND, UH, THIS INTERESTING CASE BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY CAME TO THE COMMISSION, UH, 18 YEARS AGO AND WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GOT TO THE FIRST READING OF COUNCIL. AND, UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AT THAT TIME WAS TO NOT GO THROUGH WITH ALL THREE READINGS UNTIL THE HOUSE HAD BEEN MOVED. AND THE ADDITION WHICH WAS APPROVED BY THE WAY MARK COMMISSION WAS COMPLETED. NOW ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AND WE ARE BACK TO BRING THIS CASE FORWARD. [02:00:01] A CHEAPER HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1903 CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A VERNACULAR VICTORIAN WING AND GABLE ARCHITECTURE AND COMMISSIONER MINORS. I KNOW YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRENCH FRONT PORCH POSTS AND ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL STAFF REPORT OF 2002, THE SQUARE POSTS THAT ARE SHOWN IN EARLIER PHOTOGRAPHS WERE A 1920S EDITION. AND WHEN THE HOUSE WAS RESTORED, THEY DID FIND EVIDENCE OF THE TURN POSTS THAT ARE ON THERE NOW. SO THIS IS AN ACCURATE RECONSTRUCTION OF A MISSING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. AND ALL OF THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION OVER THE YEARS, DURING THE COURSE OF THE REHABILITATION AND PRESERVATION OF THE HOUSE, THE HOUSE WAS THE HOME OF THE SHEEP OR FAMILY UNTIL 1950, MR. SCHIEFFER WAS A BUTCHER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HE HAD HIS MARKET JUST SOUTH OF THE SOUTH. AND, UH, AFTER HE AND HIS WIFE BOTH PASSED AWAY, IT THEN BECAME THE OFFICE, THE OFFICE OF THE TRAVIS COUNTY NEGRO AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION EXTENSION SERVICE, WHICH WAS A SEGREGATED BRANCH OPERATED UNDER, UH, MRS. OPRAH WASHINGTON WITH SUPERVISION FROM PRAIRIE VIEW A AND M, WHICH WAS IN CHARGE OF ALL OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN EXTENSION OFFICES THROUGHOUT TEXAS. THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EXTENSION OFFICE IS, UH, IS INCREDIBLE. THEY PROVIDED SERVICES FOR AREA FARMERS. AND IF I KNOW IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE NOW, BUT EVEN AS LATE AS 1950 IN 1960, THE CITY OF AUSTIN WAS MUCH SMALLER AND SURROUNDED BY MOSTLY COTTON AND TRUCK FARMS. AND MANY OF THE FARMERS IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOODS WERE AFRICAN AMERICAN THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICES OFFERED BY THIS EXTENSION OFFICE. THEY PROVIDED EDUCATION ABOUT HOW TO HAVE MORE PRODUCTIVE, UH, CROPS, HAVE TO FERTILIZE FIELDS, ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION THAT WOULD TO AGRICULTURAL EXCELLENCE IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES IN TRAVIS COUNTY. THEY ALSO PROVIDED HOME DEMONSTRATION SERVICES. SO, UM, MRS. WASHINGTON RAN CANNING CLASSES AND SHOWED WOMEN HOW TO PRESERVE THEIR, UH, THE PRODUCE THAT THEY HAD GROWN ON THEIR FARMS, UH, HOW TO IN LATER YEARS SHE SHOWED PEOPLE HOW TO USE MICROWAVE AND OTHER NEW, UH, KITCHEN, HOME ECONOMIC, UH, ADVANCES. SO THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS HOUSE, UH, UNTIL 1960 WAS A MANIFOLD, NOT JUST THROUGH THE SHIPPERS, BUT THROUGH THE EXISTENCE OF THE AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION OFFICE, UH, WHICH OPERATED HERE UNTIL AROUND 1960, UH, THEN THEY MOVED AND THEN EVENTUALLY DESEGREGATED IN 1965. AND THE SEGREGATED BRANCH OBVIOUSLY, UH, WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE LARGER, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY, AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION OFFICE. SINCE THAT TIME AS MR. SMITH DETAILED, IT WAS, UH, A FIRST A RESTAURANT CALLED LA PETITE. THAT WAS A MEETING PLACE FOR, UH, THE OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN POLITICAL COMMUNITY. AND AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD STARTED TO DECLINE, HOWEVER, IN THE LATE 1960S, UH, LA PETITE CLOSED, AND THIS BECAME A NIGHTCLUB AND FINALLY, AN AFTER HOURS CLUB, THAT WAS A MAGNET FOR CRIME. SO WHEN ARA TOOK THIS PROPERTY OVER, IT WAS WELCOMED THROUGHOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE HOUSE WAS MOTHBALLED FOR MANY YEARS UNTIL THE, UH, TILL THE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE TO REHABILITATE AND RESTORE THE HOUSE. SO STAFF BELIEVES THAT THE HOUSE QUALIFIES FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION UNDER ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION WITH BOTH THE SHIPPERS AND THE, UH, AND MRS. WASHINGTON WHOSE PRIVATE HOME BY THE WAY IS ALSO A HISTORIC LANDMARK ON EAST SEVENTH STREET AND ALSO FOR COMMUNITY VALUE FOR ITS PRESENCE AND EXISTENCE WITHIN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND RECOMMENDS LANDMARK DESIGNATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, RECOMMEND THIS BASED ON STAFF'S PRESENTATION AND ALL UNDER ALL THREE CATEGORIES. [02:05:02] ALRIGHT. I'LL I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. I ACTUALLY DO HAVE TWO MORE QUICK, TWO QUICK, QUICK QUESTIONS. I THINK, UM, I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE COLOR, UH, THE SIDING, AS WELL AS THE ROOFING AND JUST THAT IF I WAS TO BE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET AND DRIVE PAST THIS BUILDING, I WOULDN'T, IT WOULDN'T REGISTER TO ME AS A HISTORIC PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR. SO I WONDERED, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION, BUT I WONDERED IF THAT COLOR, UH, WAS PART OF THAT. AND IF IT'S CURRENTLY HISTORICALLY ACCURATE, UM, ALSO IF THIS HISTORIC ZONING GOES UP, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY TO FRUITION, UM, WOULD THERE BE ANY SEVERABILITY THERE BETWEEN THE ADDITION THAT IS ON THE BACK AND A FRONT, OR HOW WOULD THAT WORK AT THIS TIME? SO TWO SEPARATE QUESTIONS, LIKE THE COLOR OF THE SITING OF THE ROOFING AND THEN THE, UH, AUDITION AND HOW IT WOULD PLAY INTO ZONING. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, UH, COMMISSIONER. I CAN, UH, I CAN TAKE A STAB AT THAT. THE COLOR I BELIEVE WAS APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. UM, IT, UH, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVIDENCE THEY HAD AT THAT TIME. UH, I COULD LOOK THAT UP, BUT, UH, THE COLOR DOES SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE TIME PERIOD AS WELL. AND AS FAR AS THE, UH, SEVERING OF THE ADDITION TO THIS, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HASN'T MOVED FORWARD. WE WILL PUT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL, UH, THE OFFICE BUILDING OBVIOUSLY IS NOT HISTORIC AND SHOULD NOT RECEIVE THE TAX CREDIT, UH, THE TAX EXEMPTION THAT THE ACTUAL HISTORIC HOUSE RECEIVES. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL DEFINITELY, UH, PUT FORWARD AS THIS CASE MOVES FORWARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. YEAH. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE BUILDING HAVING BEEN MOVED. I THINK COMMISSIONER COOK A APPRECIATE ALSO THE CLARIFICATION, BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT STILL MAINTAINS LARGELY THE SAME ORIENTATION TO THE STREET, THAT IT WAS A MINOR ADJUSTMENT ON THE SITE. UH, SO THAT SOMETIMES BECOMES A CONCERN. UH, AND I WANT TO POINT OUT TO FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT, UH, OBVIOUSLY A PREVIOUS COMMISSION APPROVED THIS, UH, IT'S A SHAME THAT IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH WHEN EVERYTHING GETS FINISHED, BUT THAT ADDITION IN THE BACK IS ONLY STORIES. AND WHETHER YOU LIKE THE DESIGN EXACTLY OR NOT, YOU COULD ARGUE WHETHER IT RELATES WELL OR NOT, BUT IT DOES NOT. OVERSCALE THIS BUILDING AS YOUR MYERS. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ADDITION IN THE BACK, BUT I, UM, I'VE WORKED ON THIS PROJECT, UM, TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING AND GIVE IT A DESIGNATION. I THINK IT WAS 1996, THE CITY, THE TEXAS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, AND ARA ENTERED INTO A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT TO, UM, PROTECT THIS HOUSE. AND AT THE TIME IT HAD THE SQUARE COLUMNS WITH THE LITTLE DIAMOND, UM, APPLICATORS ON IT, AND THEY WERE STUCCOED. AND THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE WHILE IT WAS THE NEGRO AGRICULTURAL EXTENSION OFFICE. UM, AND DURING THE TIME THAT IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. SO I WANTED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT, UM, I'M NOT CONVINCED OF THE EVIDENCE OF THIS PARTICULAR, IT'S SORT OF A PRETTY, UM, FANCIFUL VICTORIAN TYPE OF, OF PORCH POSE AND THAT, BUT IT WAS CHANGED. IT WAS ALTERED IN THE HISTORIC PERIOD. WHEN DID IT ACHIEVE MUCH OF ITS SIGNIFICANCE? SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I CAN SAY, I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE ISSUE AND THERE IS ALWAYS A JUDGMENT CALL ABOUT THE LONGER HISTORY OF THE STRUCTURE OF THIS KIND. UM, CLEARLY WE WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF THERE WAS A HISTORIC RENDERING PHOTOGRAPH OR, OR DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD BE, UH, INDICATING THE SPECIFICITY OF WHAT THAT ORIGINAL, UH, PORCH MIGHT'VE LOOKED LIKE. UM, OR IF WE HAD THAT, UH, STUCCO COLUMN PRESERVED, BUT WE DON'T, WE HAVE WHAT IS STILL APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TIME [02:10:01] PERIOD. AND, UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOSING ANYTHING IN THE FACT THAT IT'S ASSOCIATION WITH THE ORIGINAL OWNERS, UH, WHO BUILT IT, UH, THAT WE, WE HAVE A, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY AN OWNER REALLY IS NOT GOING TO GO AND PUT THE PLASTER COLUMN BACK ON, BUT, UH, I THINK IT MAINTAINS ITS, ITS HISTORIC INTEGRITY BASED ON, UH, WHAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT ORIGINAL ERA THAT THAT COLUMN WOULD, AND THOSE, THOSE THAT PORCH NOW REPRESENTS THAT'S I SURE BALANCE MY LIFE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE STUCCO. UM, IS, IS THAT, WAS THAT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING OR WAS IT ORIGINALLY WOOD SIDING AND WHY DIDN'T THE ENTIRE BUILDING GO BACK TO THAT EARLIER AND NOT? UM, I GUESS THAT'S, I, I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THE STUCCO COLUMNS WERE REMOVED BECAUSE I THINK THAT TELLS THE COMPLETE STORY OF THE BUILDING. UM, SO IT, IT, AT THIS POINT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THE PORCH COLUMNS WERE PUT BACK, BUT THE SIDING, UM, REMAINED, SO IT'S KIND OF HALF AND HALF AT THIS POINT, THAT'S CORRECT. IT WAS A WOOD SIDED BUILDING TO BEGIN WITH. THEN IT WAS STUCCOED AND THE STUCCO, THE BOX COLUMNS WERE ADDED AND STUCCOED. UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE AT THAT PERIOD. NOW IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE A HYBRID OF SOME SORT WITH STUCCO FROM THE LATER PERIOD AND, AND THE, UM, VICTORIAN COLUMNS FROM THE ORIGINAL SHEET FOR OCCUPATION. BUT, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IT RETAINS THE INTEGRITY. THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO, UM, MEET OUR CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION IN WITH, WITH THAT ALL BEING SAID, I STILL THINK IT RETAINS ENOUGH INTEGRITY TO BE ZONED TO HISTORIC. I AGREE. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO. ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO WAS THE SECOND ON THAT? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. [B2. C14H-1996-0003 – Discussion Bartholomew-Robinson Building, 1415 Lavaca Street Council District 9 ] UH, LOOKS LIKE WE NEXT GO TO B TO THE BARTHELEMY ROBINSON BUILDING AT 14, 15 LAVACA STREET. UH, THIS WAS A CASE THAT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION. UH, THE SLED CASE THAT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE COMMISSION, UH, SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY IN THE COMMISSION HAS PROVIDED SOME GUIDANCE TO THE APPLICANTS AS TO, UH, WAYS TO MAKE THIS PROPOSED ADDITION MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING. UH, THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT CASE BECAUSE LIKE WE'VE SEEN AT THE MASONIC TEMPO, LIKE WE'VE SEEN AT NINE 16 CONGRESS, THERE SEEMS TO BE A TREND OF PUTTING HIGH RISE ADDITIONS ONTO HISTORIC LANDMARK BUILDINGS. AND OUR BASIC PHILOSOPHY IN PRESERVATION IS THAT OUR HISTORIC LANDMARK BUILDINGS ARE, ARE SPECIAL AND SHOULD BE PROTECTED. UH, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THIS CASE IS NEUTRAL BECAUSE THIS IS, UH, THIS IS A UNIQUE CASE. THIS IS A BUILDING THAT EXISTS SOLELY AS IT SHELL, A LARGE PORTION OF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN REMOVED FOR AN INTERIOR PARKING LOT. UH, AND THE IT'S REALLY JUST THE WALLS THAT REMAIN OF THIS BUILDING. AND IN FACT, EVEN THE WINDOW OPENINGS AND DOOR OPENINGS ALONG LAVACA STREET HAVE BEEN CHANGED OUT. UH, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE ARCHITECT, UH, THIS BUILDING HAD SEVERE PROBLEMS THAT REQUIRED THE REMOVAL OF THE CURRENT TENANT OF THE TENANTS, THE LAST TENANTS IN THE BUILDING, UH, THESE, THESE PROBLEMS CANNOT BE REMEDIED. AND SO THERE, THERE NEEDS TO BE A MAJOR INTERVENTION ON THIS BUILDING. IF IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE AS ANYTHING MORE THAN, UH, A HALL OR THE SHELL OF, OF ITS FORMER BUILDING, THE APPLICANTS HAVE COME ALONG WITH A PROPOSAL FOR, UH, ECONOMIC REVITALIZATION OF THIS BUILDING AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, PROPOSED HOTEL. THEY, AS I SAID, THEY HAVE GONE TO BOTH [02:15:01] THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION SEVERAL TIMES NOW FOR REFINING OF GOOD DESIGN AND HAVE COMPLIED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE AND THE COMMISSION TO RAISE THE, UH, BASE OF THE CANTILEVERED SECTION OF THE HOTEL AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE, UH, OFF OF THE PARAPET TO INCREASE THE SPACE BETWEEN THE CUMULUS, WHICH ARE THE, UM, VERY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES OF THIS BUILDING, UH, WAY ABOVE. AND SO THAT THE VISUAL INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING IS MAINTAINED TO A, A RATHER HIGH DEGREE HERE. UH, THIS IS NOT A CASE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AS A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. UH, THIS WAS NOT A CONCEPT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE AS A PRECEDENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. OUR LANDMARK BUILDINGS DESERVE GB, UH, LEFT ALONE TO THE GREATEST EXTENT THAT WE CAN, BUT, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING AND, UH, THE CHOICES BETWEEN DOES THE, UH, DOES THE BUILDING JUST REMAIN AN EMPTY SHELL UNUSABLE, UH, LEFT OR DETERIORATE, OR IS THERE A PROPOSAL HERE THAT THE COMMISSION CAN APPROVE THAT WOULD BRING THIS BUILDING BACK TO LIFE? SO, UH, STAFF, AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION HAS STRUGGLED WITH THIS SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS THAT IT'S BEEN BEFORE US, UH, AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AT THIS POINT IS NEUTRAL. UH, WE CAN SEE BOTH SIDES. THE ECONOMIC REALITIES SEEM TO DICTATE THE SCALE OF THE ADDITION TO THIS. AND, UH, IT SET BACK AND PRESERVES THE EXISTING WHAT'S LEFT OF THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE BUILDING. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION ON THIS ONE. I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF FROM THE COMMISSION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SECOND, SECOND DISCUSSION. I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THIS DESIGN IS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I FEEL LIKE I LIKED THE LAST ITERATION BETTER THAN THIS ONE. UM, BUT I STILL WANT TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT MR SAID, UH, HE SAID, WE MUST PROTECT OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS. UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE OUR TO PROTECT. WE DON'T GET TO CHOOSE WHO PROTECTS THEM FOR US BECAUSE WE DON'T GET TO DO IT OURSELVES CAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT OURSELVES. UM, AS FAR AS THIS BEING A PRECEDENT, UH, I ALSO DON'T WANT IT TO BE A PRECEDENT. I DON'T THINK, UH, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THIS BUILDING IS LITERALLY A SHELL, WHICH IS OCCUPIED CURRENTLY BY PARKING PARTIALLY. UM, AND LASTLY WE, UH, WHEN, WHEN APPLICANTS SPEAK OF CONSTRUCTABILITY TO US, SOMETIMES WE SCOFF AT THEY'RE JUST UNWILLING. THEY DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE HARD WORK OF PRESERVING A HISTORIC BUILDING. UM, WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SCOFF THAT, UH, ONE PROPERTY OWNER TELLING ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER, WHAT THEY THINK A HOTEL ROOM RATES WILL BE IN THREE YEARS. UM, THE OWNER IS TAKING A RISK ON THEIR OWN. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST JUDGE THIS ON THE MERITS OF HOW DO WE DO BEST BUY WHAT IS LEFT OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING? AND THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT MY OWN MOTION. MR. MEYERS, DO YOU SHARE ANY OF THE CONCERNS OF, UM, THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND THE EFFECT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THEIR BUILDING? OR YOU'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT? I DO. AND I, I MEAN, WHEN WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE MASONIC LODGE, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS ON A CONDITIONAL BASIS AND WE HAD A LOT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MANAGE THAT BUILDING [02:20:01] STRUCTURALLY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT HERE YET. AND I'D BE WILLING TO ADD TO MY AMENDMENT THAT WE NEED TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW THEY MOVE FORWARD STRUCTURALLY BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LET THEM, UM, EARLY ON BACK IN FEBRUARY, WE ASKED THE TEXAS BAR ASSOCIATION IF WHY THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE TO PURSUE OWNING THIS BILLING THEMSELVES. AND THEY SAID THEY HAD, AND I WAS CHECKING TRAVIS KIND OF JUST NOW THE DEED HASN'T ACTUALLY TRANSFERRED OVER TO THE APPLICANT YET. I THINK THAT THE SELL IS CONTINGENT ON THIS, UH, ON THESE ENTITLEMENTS BEING APPROVED, WHICH MAKES ME THINK THAT THE TEXAS BAR ASSOCIATION ALSO STILL HAS A FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY. IF THE SALE DOES NOT GO THROUGH CONSIDERING THEY TRIED TO BUY IT BEFORE. SO I'M, I'M SCOFFING AT ALL KINDS OF THINGS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY MOVING FORWARD. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD GET APPROVED SEPARATELY FROM THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO WHAT IS THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR IF IT'S NOT FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US? I THINK IT IS FOR THEM TO GO AHEAD WITH WHAT THEY'VE GIVEN US. I THINK THAT I WOULD BE WILLING TO SAY, WE WANT ANOTHER LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL PLAN. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW. I'D TAKE YOUR ADVICE ON THAT. I'M NOT SURE. I THINK, I, I DON'T THINK THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER SAFEGUARD FOR THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING BUILDING. UM, AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. SO I'LL MODIFY MY MOTION TO SAY THAT YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT MODIFY THE MOTION TO SAY, UM, APPROVAL IN CONCEPT. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU ANY IDEAS, BUT, UM, WITH ALL THE DETAILS TO, TO HAVE, I HAVE TO COME BACK AND GO THROUGH THE STRUCTURAL SAFETY AND THE EXACT MATERIALS AND THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION DESIGNS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. YEAH. I THINK THAT WHEN WE DID THE MASONIC LODGE, THE LANGUAGE WE USED WAS THAT WE APPROVED THIS SCHEMATIC DESIGN, UM, WHICH IS A CLEARLY DEFINED PHASE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE PROJECT TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS ON THAT PROJECT. WE ALSO HAD MORE INFORMATION AT THAT TIME ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MANAGE IT STRUCTURALLY. UM, BUT I WOULD, YEAH, I'LL, I'LL AMEND MY MOTION TO SAY THAT, UM, APPROVED IS SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND WE WANT TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PLANS TO MANAGE IT, THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE STRUCTURALLY, UM, AS, AS PART OF THE COMMITTEE THAT'S GONE THROUGH THIS DESIGN, I, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE, UM, THE CHANGES THAT HAVE MADE BEEN MADE UP UNTIL THIS POINT, BUT I, I STILL JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE THERE. THIS IS A ONE STORY BUILDING. UM, JUST THE SIZE MASSING SCALE OF THIS TOWER, UM, DOES NOT MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS FOR THE TREATMENT OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. UM, AND I, I JUST CAN'T SEE THIS DESIGN, UM, REALLY MEETING THAT STANDARD THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY ALSO, IF YOU WERE TO MOVE THAT TOWER, UM, OUT OF THE VIEW, UM, WHAT'S THERE NOW IS, UH, A STRAIGHT VIEW TO THE CAPITOL DOME. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT, IT'S NOT WITHIN THE REGULATED AREA OF THE CAPITOL VIEW CORRIDOR, BUT THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CAPITAL, UM, IS TIED TO THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING. UM, AND, AND BECAUSE OF THAT AS WELL, I WILL NOT SUPPORT, UM, PREP GROOVINESS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR THIS BUILDING. I AGREE WITH A COMMISSIONER OF ALAN'S WAY, BUT I DO WANT TO THANK THE APPLICANTS FOR THEIR DEDICATION ON THIS. I WANTED TO BE SURE WE WEREN'T LEADING THEM DOWN THE ROSY PATH BY GIVING THEM SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE THIS. SO I ALWAYS HAD THE COFFEE OUT THAT THE MASONIC LODGE WAS PASSED BY A SLIM MARGIN, AND THIS WAS A VERY DIFFERENT CASE. UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UM, WE'RE AT 29 FEET, UH, TO THE TOP OF THE BUILDING IN 13 FEET ABOVE THE COUPLA IS WHERE THE MASONIC TEMPLE ITSELF WAS 46 FEET TALL. AND THE FIRST KICK-OUT WAS ABOVE THAT 71 FEET HIGH AND THE FULL FOOTPRINT WASN'T UNTIL IT WAS 86 FEET HIGH. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEARLY DOUBLE THE HEIGHT BEFORE YOU, YOU SENSE THE MASS I'D ASKED FOR SOME SITE PERSPECTIVE SIGHT LINES, [02:25:01] AND I SUSPECT DOESN'T MAY NOT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED JUST BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO, I THINK IT'LL REINFORCE THE IDEA THAT A ONE STORY BUILDING CAN'T, CAN'T SUSTAIN THE MASS OF A TOWER ABOVE IT WITHOUT, WITHOUT LOSING THE SENSE OF ITS OWN MASS. AND, UH, I DO HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SIGHT LINE OF THE CAPITOL. UH, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CASES BEFORE US, UH, THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THE ASPECTS OF INTEGRITY AND INCLUDING THOSE ARE SETTING FEELING AND ASSOCIATION, AND YOU HAVE, BUT BY CIRCUMSTANCE YOU HAVE THE SETTING AND THE FEELING WITH THE VIEW OF THE CAPITOL OVER IT AT THIS BUILDING ARE HEMMED IN BY TOWERS RIGHT NOW. AND THAT WASN'T THERE. I WOULDN'T SAY DON'T PUT A TOWER THERE BECAUSE THE VIEW IS ALREADY BLOCKED, BUT WHEN YOU DO ALREADY HAVE A VIEW OF THE CAPITOL, I HESITATE TO ALLOW A CHANGE TO THE LANDMARK ITSELF THAT WOULD ELIMINATE ELIMINATE THAT ASSOCIATION WITH THE CONTEMPORARY, UH, CAPITAL AND, UM, AND THE FIELD AND THE SETTING, UM, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC REALITIES, IT'S A SHELL OF A BUILDING. THERE'S LOTS OF POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT COULD GO BUILD THE ABILITY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIMITED, LIMITED CONTROL OVER THAT. WE, WE DID GET FEEDBACK THAT I THINK MADE PEOPLE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MASONIC LODGE. UM, AND THEY'RE AT, UH, EIGHT 16, NINE 16 CONGRESS. WE TRIED AND TRIED AND NEVER GOT A SATISFACTORY ANSWER AND HAD TO RELEASE IT. AND NOW I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU NOTICE, BUT IT'S SITTING AS AN EMPTY SHELL RIGHT NOW, AND HASN'T BEEN FOR ABOUT A YEAR, UH, BECAUSE OF CONFLICTS WITH CONSTRUCTION. SO I SHARED THOSE CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, BUT SOME SENSE OF CONFIDENCE MAY HELP. BUT MY MAIN CONCERN IS JUST THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, THE ABILITY OF A 13 FOOT TALL BUILDING TO CONVEY THE SAME SENSE OF ITSELF AS A 46 FOOT TALL BUILDING, UM, AND WANTING TO SEE MORE SIGHT LINES PERSPECTIVES. I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THERE. AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN GET THERE MR. MYERS, I, IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD ALSO HAVE THIS, UM, KIND OF STRANGE CONUNDRUM ABOUT WHAT PART OF THE FINAL RESULT IS THE HISTORIC BUILDING AND WOULD THE HOTEL THEN COME UNDER, UM, THE TAX ABATEMENT, UH, THAT'S GIVEN TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS, SOMETHING THAT I CONSIDERED IN, IN THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAY, WELL, THIS WOULD BE A UNIQUE CASE. WE WOULDN'T, UM, CALL THIS A PRECEDENT, BUT IN FENIX, UH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD COME BACK AS A PRECEDENT. YOU'VE ALLOWED THOSE. AND I THINK FINALLY, UM, IF THIS BUILDING WITH THE HOTEL WITHIN A STORAGE SHELL AND THE HOTEL I'M AT CAME TO US FOR LANDMARK DESIGNATION, WE WOULD NOT APPROVE IT. IT WOULD NOT PASS. IT WOULD NOT MEET THE CRITERIA. AND, UM, WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO DOES NOT MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS. AND, AND THERE'S NO GETTING AROUND THAT. IT'S NOT, I MEAN, STAFF RECOGNIZES THAT AS WELL AND DID SO IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION, JACOB, YOUR VOLUME IS EITHER OFFER SUPER QUIET. CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY. I GUESS MY PRIMARY CONCERN AND WANTING TO RESERVE, WHAT HAPPENS IF CAN YOU DO A LOT MORE, I DO WANT TO KNOW, ARE THERE ANY CASES WHERE A BUILDING DESIGNATED BEFORE IT ULTIMATELY FALLS IS NO LONGER USABLE? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO LET ME THINK. COOL. WELL, WE HAVE RETAINED THEM AS HISTORIC PROPERTIES. WE'VE HAD ONE ON OUR AGENDA FOR YEARS. THAT'S, UM, THAT'S A RUIN, BUT IT'S STILL A LANDMARK. OKAY. [02:30:01] HAS THERE BEEN ANY OCCASIONS WHERE IT NEVER RESTORED IN THE FALL THAT THEY DON'T RECEIVE TAX NET, BUT THEY REMAIN ON THE BOOKS AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PURSUE A DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT CASE. IF, IF A LANDMARK IS THREATENED TO THE POINT OF DESTRUCTION, WHICH I DON'T THINK HAS, HAS EVER HAPPENED, BUT THAT IS THE TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING. AND WHEN YOU HAVE AN OWNER WHO'S NOT FINANCIALLY CAPABLE OF MAINTAINING IT, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT PATH ENDS, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, THE PENALTIES WOULD BE SUCH THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE TO TAKE IT, TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. MR. MEYERS, ONE THING IS WE'RE SORT OF BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER ANYTHING CAN BE BUILT ON THIS SITE. AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION TO APPROVE AN ADDITION THAT RISES UP FROM THE CENTER OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING. AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY POSSIBILITY FOR THIS, FOR THIS HISTORIC RESOURCE. THAT'S JUST WHAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN TO, TO LOOK AT. WE'RE NOT COMPELLED TO APPROVE THIS BUILDING. GOOD. I THINK ULTIMATELY THE ECONOMICS OF WHETHER YOU COULD TAKE THIS LOAD BEARING OR ENVELOPE AND TURN IT, YOU KNOW, DO NEW INFILL AND HAVE A ROOF DETAILED SUCH THAT IT BECOMES A ONE STORY STRUCTURE. AGAIN, WHETHER THAT CAN BE FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. UM, YOU KNOW, IF THAT COULD BE SHOWN TO US THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE, UM, MAYBE WE CAN CONSIDER IT, BUT IT ALL TIES BACK TO THE, THE SALE VALUE, WHICH WOULD VARY BY THE POTENTIAL USE. AND THAT JUST GETS INTO ALL SORTS OF BIG MARKET QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY HERE TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN. WE'RE JUST HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN WHETHER SOMEONE'S PROPOSED IDEA OF WHAT THEY COULD DO. IS IT STILL RETAINS THE ASPECTS OF INTEGRITY OF THE LANDMINE? I AGREE WITH THAT, MR. COOK, I THINK THAT'S OUR ROLE HERE. AND I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, WE'VE GOT CECILIO OTHER SIN AND JACOB, THOSE OPPOSED, NAY, NAY. SO THERE ARE, UH, THE MOTION FAILS, UM, THREE, FIVE WITH I'M SETH I'M AT STANDING. YOU HAVE ANOTHER MOTION, I'LL MOVE TO DENY THE CERTIFICATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. I'LL SECOND THAT THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS COOK AND MYERS. UM, WE WILL NEED TO PERSUADE SOMEONE TO VOTE DIFFERENTLY THAN LAST TIME AS WE NEED SIX VOTES FOR THE MOTION TO PASS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. IF WE HAVE NO, IF WE HAVE NO EMOTION THAT PASSES, IS IT THE FACT THAT IT DENIED, UM, OH, THE CLOCK, UM, WILL, CAN YOU TICKING, UM, STAFF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE ON THEM? IT GOES TO PLANNING WITHOUT OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS GOING TO DO WELL. THAT WOULD BE THE APPEAL COMMISSIONER. UM, IT WOULD, UH, BECAUSE I WAS ON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THE LANDMARK COMMISSION IS THE ARBITER, THE FINAL ARBITER OF THAT UNLESS THE APPLICANT APPEALS. SO IT WOULD BE TANTAMOUNT TO A DENIAL BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO, UH, NO MOTION FOR APPROVAL THAT PASSED. UH, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH OUR LAW DEPARTMENT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE PROCESS THERE WOULD BE IF, UH, [02:35:01] IF THERE'S NOT A QUORUM VOTE ON IT. THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS TO, UH, POSTPONE IT AND SEE IF WE GET THE TWO MISSING COMMISSIONERS TO COME BACK NEXT MONTH, WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE CLOCK. I KNOW THIS WAS UNDER THE, A PORTION OF THE AGENDA FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES IT'S UM, YEAH, I MEAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK THAT I'M NOT SURE I CAN, UH, IF THERE'S ANOTHER MEMBER OF STAFF THAT CAN LOOK AT THAT, I CAN, I CAN LOOK IT UP. I DO KNOW IT WAS POSTPONED AT THE OWNER'S REQUEST AT LEAST ONCE. YES, MR. MAYOR FOR A REQUEST TO DEMOLISH, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION, BUT THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, RIGHT? IT WOULD STILL FALL UNDER THE 75 DAY TIME PERIOD FOR A DECISION BEFORE THE APPLICATION WOULD BE RELEASED. WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE RELEASED, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK SO RELEASE MEANING THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY WANT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. RIGHT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD DEFAULT TO A NEGATIVE, WHEREAS IN A DEMOLITION IT WOULD DEFAULT TO ALLOWING IT. IS THAT CORRECT STAFF? I AM LOOKING, LOOKING IT UP RIGHT NOW. UH, TELL YOU WHAT, HOW ABOUT WE TAPE TO ALLOW ME TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND GET BACK TO YOU? ALTHOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE AT LEAST A VOTE ON THE MOTION THAT'S BROKEN, UM, OR, OR IT COULD BE WITHDRAWN, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE WAS A BRIEFING AT THE JUNE AND IN JULY, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED A POSTPONEMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE THE CLOCK HAS, IT MIGHT START TICKING TODAY JUST 75 DAYS CLOCK. IS THAT SUPPORT WITH YOUR UNDERSTANDING, MR. SADECKI, UH, THAT IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO CHECK, BUT THAT DOES SOUND RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT. YEAH, I WOULDN'T CHECK THE AGENDAS IN THE DRAFT MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH. SO SINCE IT WAS IN TERMS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN WITH, IF THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT THAT, BUT I DO FEEL PRETTY CONFIDENT IN SAYING THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AND IT WAS AN APPLICANT REQUEST TO POST, AT LEAST IT WAS UNCONTESTED. OKAY. SO THEN A POSTPONE, IF THAT IS CORRECT. AND, UH, WHICH I HAVE NO REASON NOT TO NOT TO AGREE WITH THAT, THEN A POSTPONEMENT IS STILL A VIABLE OPTION. AT THIS POINT. WE CAN ALSO CALL A CITY ATTORNEY WHILE Y'ALL, WHILE THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED, DISCUSSES ANOTHER CASE, AND THEN IN RETURN TO THIS. OKAY. UM, OKAY. I PREFER TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THE MOTION, UM, AND TO REALLY VERIFY THAT WE'RE WITHIN THAT 30 DAYS. CAUSE I WOULD HATE TO FIND OUT AFTER THIS MEETING IS OVER THEM, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO POSTPONE IT IN IT. UM, HIS RELEASE ON THE AGENDA WAS IN JULY. YES. GO AHEAD. CALL. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AS OPPOSED EMOTION. OH MY SHARON PROBLEM. CELIA, ARE YOU SAYING YES, THERE'S A MUTE BUTTON. I WANTED TO CLARIFY THE MOTION POSTPONEMENT OR DENIAL DENIAL. I'M IN FAVOR OF DENYING. OKAY. WE ARE SIX TWO AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE CLEAR ALL THOSE IN FAVOR [02:40:01] OF DENIAL, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES SIX, TWO. I DIDN'T GET THIS BIG ON THE CLEAR, BUT THIS AFFORDS THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURSUE THEIR APPEAL IN MY OPINION. YES. YES. THE CODE DOES ALLOW FOR THE APPEAL OF A DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS BOBBY APPLICANT. OKAY. SO NOT SUPER URGENT, I GUESS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE SCENARIO OR, UM, NO ACTION BY THE MISSION. YES, WE WILL. WE WILL DEFINITELY FIND THAT OUT AND REPORT BACK. OKAY. THAT BRINGS [B4. C14H-2011-0002 – Offered for consent approval Routon-Alvarez-Lopez House, 809 E. 9th Street Council District 9 ] US TO BEFORE 899TH STREET. OKAY. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS, UH, EIGHT OR NINE EAST NINTH STREET IS ALSO A CASE THAT YOU HAVE SEEN BEFORE. UH, AND ALSO IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE PERSPECTIVE, UH, THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO CONSTRUCT A TOWER AT THE REAR OF THE LOT, BUT THE HISTORIC LOPEZ HOUSE SITS ON ON NINTH STREET. IT WOULD REQUIRE MOVING THE HOUSE, UH, APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET FORWARD TO ACCOMMODATE A, THE MAXIMUM DISTANCE POSSIBLE BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE FRONT OF THE TOWER. THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE SEVERAL TIMES AND HAVE INCORPORATED THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE INTO THE LATEST PROPOSAL, WHICH IS BEFORE YOU, UH, STAFF, IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT DOES THE, WHAT ARE THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS SAY ABOUT THE CONTEXT OF THE LOPEZ HOUSE, UH, IN THIS CASE AND THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS FELT THAT BECAUSE THE HOUSE, THE CONTEXT OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN MODIFIED SO SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF ADJACENT APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT, UH, THE RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL CONTEXT OF THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DECIMATED SO THAT, UH, THEY WERE LOOKING AT THIS AS AN APPROPRIATE IN CONCEPT. AND NOW LOOKING AT JUST REFINEMENTS TO THE DESIGN TO MAKE IT TO BLEND IN AND BLEND INTO THE LANDSCAPE, BUT ALSO CONTINUED THE PROMINENCE OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE ON THE SITE. SO BASED UPON THE CONVERSATIONS AT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, SAME QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, UM, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT, THE SURROUNDING AREAS , IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS HOW, HOW BIG IS THE MODIFIED PROPOSAL NOW? HOW MANY FLOORS NINE? YES. AND EVEN WITH THE HOUSE MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT A PHYSICAL SEPARATION. UH, WASN'T ABLE TO SEE THAT THERE'S ANY CALLED OUT DIMENSION, BUT THEY SAID 16 FEET. THAT'S CLEAR BETWEEN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS RATHER MASSIVE WALL. IS THAT RIGHT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, THERE MAY BE OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE I MAKE MY MOTION. WELL, IT'S BETTER TO LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE TO HAVE, UM, DISCUSSION UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. YEAH. I, I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS IS APPROPRIATE AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO I MOVED AN AISLE. I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. IF I GET A SECOND. I'LL SECOND FOR THE PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION. UM, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, UM, IF YOU WERE PLEASED WITH THEIR MODIFICATIONS OR WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVE WAS, UH, I THINK IN, IN GENERAL, I WON'T SPEAK FOR THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS, BUT WE WEREN'T THRILLED ABOUT THE SITUATION, BUT WHEN YOU SEE THE HOUSE AND ITS CONTEXT WITH [02:45:01] ON ONE SIDE AND ENCROACHED ON TWO SIDES BY TOWERS, IT'S, IT'S ALMOST COMICAL, YOU KNOW, AS IT IS, UH, BUILDING A TOWER IN THE BACK AGAIN, JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS CASE WHERE, WHERE YOU DO HAVE, UM, YOU SHEDS AND YOU DO HAVE CONTEXT WHERE YOU CAN RETAIN FEELING AND SETTING. I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO REMOVE THAT BY APPROVING AN ADDITION TO THE LANDMARK THAT WOULD DESTROY THAT. BUT WHEN IT'S ALREADY HEMMED IN AND SURROUNDED BY WALLS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ANGLES, FROM WHICH YOU CAN, YOU CAN VIEW THIS ARE, YOU KNOW, THE DEAD END OF THE NINTH STREET, UH, IT'S TUCKED IN AROUND THE CORNER OF, OF THE TYNDALL NEXT TO IT. SO YOU, YOU CAN ONLY REALLY SEE IT FROM APPROACHING IT FROM NINTH STREET. AND THEN FROM MY 35, I DON'T THINK THOSE AVAILABLE PUBLIC VIEWING ANGLES ARE GOING TO BE TERRIBLY IMPACTED AND CONSIDERING WHAT'S WHAT'S THERE ALREADY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD, BUT GIVEN WHERE THE SETBACKS THAT HAD BEEN ESTABLISHED ARE BEING HONORED AND ALL HYPE TO, TO THE PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH IS BADLY NEEDED, UH, I WOULD GIVE A HESITANT APPROVAL JUST BASED ON THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE THERE. NOW, THE HOUSE ITSELF WILL BE RETAINED IN ITS ENTIRETY AND PROTECTED, AND THE TOWER IS REVERSIBLE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE INJURY TO THE CONTEXT AND THE SETTING AND FEELING IS ANY GREATER THAN WHAT'S THERE ALREADY. WELL, LET, LET ME JUST SAY MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS THERE'S A HISTORY HERE WHERE THIS IS RESTORED. THE HOUSE IS NOT IN JEOPARDY. IT HAS BEEN IN THE PROGRAM. AND NOW THE QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE, AS STEWARDS DO TO MAINTAIN ITS INTEGRITY OVER THE LONG PERIOD OF TIME? AND YES, THE CONTEXT HAS BEEN MODIFIED. AND THAT WAS, UH, I THINK PERTINENT TO MY QUESTION ABOUT, UH, WHERE DID THE EXTRA HEIGHT COME FROM? WHAT'S GENERATING THIS. AND RIGHT NOW THE NEIGHBORS ARE PRIMARILY FOR STORIES. AND EVEN FOR STORIES, IF THEY ALWAYS SHOWING THAT AS THE ADDITION, WE HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT, AND WE MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO ARCHITECTURALLY MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN THIS STRUCTURE AND THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN TWICE THAT HIGH AND IT IS STANDING RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. AND WE'RE SEEING THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WHERE THE COMMISSION IS BEING ASKED, NOT TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS APPROPRIATE OR BASICALLY WITH, WITH, WITH PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY DEEMED OVERSCALED AND NOT APPROPRIATE AND NOT MEETING THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OF BEING APPROPRIATELY SCALED TO THE EXISTING BUILDING. BUT THEN WE'RE SAYING, BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMICS, WE HAVE ALL THIS ECONOMIC PRESSURE. AND SO THAT'S BEING TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. AND I THINK IN A SIMILAR WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE AND SAY THAT OUR JOB IS NOT TO MAKE MONEY FOR A DEVELOPER OR NOT. I THINK IN A SIMILAR WAY, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S THE POTENTIAL FOR SHOVING MORE HOUSING AND THERE'S ONE LOCATION JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE ZONING ALL STACKS UP. I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT THAT IS WORTH THE SACRIFICING OF THE INTEGRITY OF THIS HOUSE. SO I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO START SETTING EVEN MORE BAD PRECEDENT FOR THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT AND WHETHER IT IS MORE OPPORTUNISM TO PUT MORE AFFORDABILITY IN ONE VERY NARROW SPOT WHERE IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE REALLY VERY, VERY DIFFICULT OR WHETHER IT'S JUST BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE SO GREAT, BUT THAT POOR LITTLE HISTORIC BUILDING IS IN THE WAY OF SOMEBODY'S LAND VALUE. UM, I THINK THEY, WE NEED A BETTER TOOL IF THERE WAS A WAY THAT THIS PROPERTY AND ITS LOCATION COULD WORK, FOR EXAMPLE, INTO SOME SORT OF AIR RIGHTS SWAP, OR IF THERE WERE SOME OTHER WAY THAT IN KEEPING THE VALUE OF THE, OR THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE AFFORDABILITY IN SOME ADJACENT OR RELATED PLACE, WE COULD, UH, BE ABLE TO RAISE SOME OF THE FUNDS, BUT, UH, ALL THOSE ARE ANCILLARY TO OUR CHARGE. OUR CHARGE IS, IS THIS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE? AND I THINK IN FACT, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT PRETTY SURE FEATHERSTON, ALRIGHT. I HOPE I DO A BETTER JOB ARTICULATING MYSELF ON THIS ONE THAN I DID ON THE LAST ONE. UM, PARTLY BECAUSE I THINK THE STAKES ARE SO MUCH HIGHER HERE. UH, I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER HINDSIGHT DIFFERENTIATING THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ECONOMIC PRESSURE THAT WE'RE WORKING ON THE LAST ONE VERSUS WORKING ON THIS ONE. AND, UM, IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT SOME DEVELOPER HAS THEIR LAND VALUE TIED UP HERE. IT'S THAT WE HAVE SUCH A CRITICAL NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT [02:50:01] IT TAKES TO ZONA PROPERTY HISTORIC, UH, ONE OF THOSE IS COMMUNITY VALUE AND I'M GOING TO TAKE WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE COMMUNITY VALUE AND, UM, AND TAKE OUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT AND OFFSET MY OWN CONCERNS THAT I HAVE WITH THE MASSING. UM, AND THEN I HAVE WITH MOVING THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE AND SUPPORT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, UH, THE ARCHITECT, TOM HATCH SAID, I THINK THAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT HE UNDERSTOOD BOTH SIDES. HE SAID, LIFE IS A CHALLENGE. AND I THOUGHT, YEAH, IT REALLY IS. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED IT DESPERATELY. AND THAT OVERRIDES SO MUCH OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ALSO SAID, AFFORDABILITY SHOULD NOT OVERSHADOW THE HISTORY OF EAST AUSTIN. UM, THAT HISTORY WAS WRITTEN BY DISENFRANCHISED COMMUNITIES WHO FOUND HOUSING IN EAST AUSTIN. AND SO THE DISCONNECT THERE, I THINK, HAS TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A METAPHOR OUT OF UP A BUILDING THAT'S TOO TALL AND LITERALLY CAST A SHADOW. UM, BUT THAT WE NEED HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. AND THE PEOPLE CREATED THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN, NOT ANY STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO SAVE OR NOT SAY IT'S THE PEOPLE. SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THIS, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RAISED SOME GOOD POINTS HERE. I, I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONSIDERATION OF, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ANY MORE OUR PURVIEW THAN A DEVELOPER'S PROFITS. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING OUR CHARGES, THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION AND CONSIDERING WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. UM, THAT SAID, I DO THINK THAT MR. COOK MAKES A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF SETTING ALREADY BEING COMPROMISED. UM, AND THE PRESERVATION OF SOME OF THE MORE IMPORTANT, UH, VIEWS THAT PROPERTY. I KNOW I LOOK FOR IT AS A LANDMARK ON, ON 35, AND IT'S SORT OF ONE LITTLE LAST VESTIGE OF WHAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD USED TO LOOK LIKE. SO THAT ANGLE IN THE PUBLIC, UM, PUBLIC FACING VIEWS OF THAT BUILDING ARE VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK, AND IF THIS PROPERTY IS NOT, YOU KNOW, PHYSICALLY IMPOSING ON THIS BUILDING, IT'S NOT BEING HOLLOWED OUT AND GUTTED AND BUILT IN THE INSIDE OF IT. IT'S NOT BEING ATTACHED TO IT. SO I THINK I COULD BE CONVINCED TO SUPPORT THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT NOT BECAUSE I'M MAKING A JUDGMENT ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF ONE PROJECT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING AIMS OVER, UM, APPROPRIATENESS FOR DEVELOPMENT IN A HISTORICALLY, UM, SENSITIVE CONTEXT, COMMISSIONER, PAPA CELIA, ONE QUICK COMMENT. I THINK PROJECTS LIKE THIS TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF OTHER DEMOLITIONS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY. I MEAN, THAT HOUSE LOOKS SO OUT OF PLACE. I THINK THE PEOPLE IN THE TYNDALL ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR VIEW BEING LOST MORE THAN ANYTHING, GUYS, THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. WHAT'S YOUR BALANCE. I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER FATHER-SON SAID, WHAT COMMISSIONER COOK SAID AND EMILY, WHAT YOU SAID AS WELL. UM, I DO THINK THAT THE SETTING IS ALREADY HIGHLY DISTURBED. UM, I DO, UM, CONSIDER IT THE, UM, I GUESS THE APPROACH THAT THIS WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF GUARANTEE, UM, THAT WERE GUARANTEES MADE ON RAINY STREET THAT THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT CHANGED OVER ONE OCCUPANT. UM, SO, UM, I THINK THAT AFFORDABILITY, UM, IN THIS LOCATION, UM, IS MUCH NEEDED AS COMMISSIONER FATHER-SON SAID. UM, I, I DO THINK THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION AFFORDABILITY ARE PARTNERS. UM, AND, AND WE NEED TO PROMOTE THAT, UM, IN WHAT WE DO, BUT, UM, I GUESS I DO APPRECIATE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE BASED ON CORPORATE CONVERSATIONS, UM, WITH THE ARCHITECT. UM, AND I DO FEEL LIKE I WOULD SUPPORT A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE CERTIFICATE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. IF THERE WAS A GUARANTEE OF THAT 99 YEAR RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, THAT THIS WOULD BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I DON'T THINK IF THIS, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY DECISION PROCESS. I THINK THAT IF THIS WAS A FOR PROFIT LUXURY DEVELOPMENT, MY FEELINGS WOULD BE DIFFERENT. MR. MYERS, I'M SORRY, BEN. [02:55:02] I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DOLAN SUELA AND, UM, AND READ AND COOK. THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY CONFUSION BETWEEN THE HISTORIC HOUSE AND THE TOWER BEHIND IT. IT'S NOT COMING OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF THE HISTORIC HOUSE, LIKE A THEANO, UM, RISING UP OUT OF THE HEAD OF ZEUS, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD WITH THE LAVACA STREET, THE BARTHOLOMEW, UM, HOUSE. BUT I WOULD RATHER SEE IT LOWER. I WOULD, I WOULD RATHER SEE IT SMALLER. I WOULD RATHER SEE IT RESPECT THE HISTORIC LOPEZ HOUSE MORE, BUT I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN MARK ROGERS AND THE 99 YEAR, UM, AFFORDABILITY. UH, THAT'S, THAT'S VIRTUALLY GUARANTEED IN THIS EYE TO GO FORWARD AND, AND I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. I THINK THIS IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN THE, THAN THE LAVACA STREET BUILDING. SORRY, MICROPHONE TROUBLE. I WAS JUST GOING TO AGREE THAT I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE IS ANY, ANY CONTEXT AROUND THAT HOUSE TO BE IN LINE WITH. IT'S ALL GONE. SO I'M THANKFUL THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO GET SOME CARE AND SOME, SOME IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME USE THAT I THINK OTHERWISE MIGHT NOT. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M NOT GOING TO GET THE VOTES, BUT I REALLY WANT TO SAY TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT AS AN ARCHITECT, I AM EXTREMELY CONCERNED AND I HAVE VOICED THIS CONSISTENTLY THAT WE HAVE A SCALE AND AN APPROPRIATE SIZE THAT COMES TO US HISTORICALLY WITH THESE BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUR CHARGE AND NOW KNOW VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE CENTER CITY IS GOING TO HAVE THIS VERY SAME PROBLEM WHERE WE ARE NOW ALLOWING AS PRECEDENT. THESE MASSIVELY OVERSCALED BUILDINGS THAT DON'T RELATE AND NO ONE'S EVEN MAKING THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THEIR CONTEXT. AND JUST BECAUSE SOME OF THAT CONTEXT IS DETERIORATED STILL OUR CHARGES TO THAT BUILDING AND WHAT WE PUT IN AROUND OR WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO OVERSEE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. I THINK WE HAVE TO START RECALIBRATING WHAT WE ARE LETTING OUT AND GETTING AS FAR AS APPROVAL GOES, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO COME BACK ON EVERY SINGLE DOWNTOWN PROPERTY FROM HERE TO ETERNITY. EVERY SINGLE ONE'S GOING TO POINT TO THIS ONE OR POINT TO THE MASONIC LODGE OR POINT TO A COUPLE OF THESE OTHERS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEY WILL IN FACT, MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO REIGN IN. AND FRANKLY, DO WHAT I THINK IS OUR JOB, WHICH IS TO HAVE RESPECTFUL, EVEN THOUGHTFUL ARCHITECTURE THAT RELATES TO ITS HISTORIC CONTEXT. WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT IN THESE PROJECTS. THEY'RE TOO BIG. AND I WAS HOPING WE COULD START DRAWING A LINE SOMEWHERE, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE AT A FUTURE DATE. I THINK IT'LL BE HARDER AS WE GO ON, UM, OUR APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER, HIGH OBSESS, PASSIONATELY. AND, UM, AND IT IS, IT IS PERSUASIVE, BUT I, I GUESS, UM, WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THAT SOME OF THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT HAD BEEN LOST AND, AND I'M LOOKING FOR ANY, AND I'M JUST, I'M WONDERING, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WERE REFERENCING TO PORT? I HAVE SOME HISTORY ON THIS PROJECT AND I, I AM AWARE THAT WHEN THEY DID THE, UM, THE NCCD IN ORDER TO MODIFY THE SCALE, THEY SCALED AROUND NINTH STREET WITH SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THIS HOUSE. I THINK THE HOPE AT THE TIME WAS THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE, UH, UH, HOUSING THAT WOULD, WOULD BE MAINTAINED, UH, MAYBE OVER TIME. MAYBE THAT WAS NOT A, UM, MAYBE IT WAS A WISHFUL THINKING, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY THE REASON WHY THERE'S FOUR STORIES, UH, ON NINTH STREET ACROSS FROM THE HOUSE. UH, I MEAN, I, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY, AS FAR AS I WOULD THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT. I JUST, I DO THINK THEN IT IS REMARKABLE [03:00:01] THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE CITY BLOCKS THAT ALL LOOK THE WAY THEY DO BECAUSE OF A SINGLE HOUSE. WELL, MR. HOMESICK, UM, POINT DOES REMIND ME OF THE EXHIBIT THAT, UM, DURING PUBLIC TESTIMONY ABOUT HOW, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER SURROUNDING, UM, DEVELOPMENTS DID COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THE NCCD. SO IT'S CHALLENGING. UM, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTEGRITY SETTING THAT'S LEFT. I DID HAVE ISSUE WITH THAT AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY I SPECIFICALLY ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DEPTH. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THEY ARE COMPLYING, THEY ARE GOING TO BE TALLER, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE LIKE TO BE LIKE THERE, I WAS ABLE TO HASH OUT THOSE DETAILS BECAUSE I DID HAVE A BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT NOW THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, TO ME, IF IT WERE A STORY TOWER VERSUS A NINE STORY TOWER IN THE BACKYARD IS DOESN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENCE IN YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE BUILDING. YOU STILL GOING TO HAVE A TOWER IN THE BACKYARD AND THE CONTEXT IS GONE AND THE ODD VIEWING ANGLES ON THE ODD SITUATION IN THIS HOUSE, I'M ALWAYS VERY CLEAR TO INCLUDE IN MY DISCUSSION FINDINGS OF FACT ABOUT WHAT MAKES THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT. AND IF THERE WERE ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT WERE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY FIVE STORY TOWERS WITH JUST A BIG YARD THAT WAS GOING TO BUILD A NICE STORY TOWER, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I WOULD, I WOULD APPROVE IT IF IT WEREN'T A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS ALL SINGLE STORY, I WOULD NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE THE CONTEXT WAS STILL THERE. SO I FIND A LITTLE, LOTS OF CONSISTENCY AND, UM, I, I FEEL LIKE I CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT MAKING THAT INSTRUCTION BEING CONSISTENT AND FAIR TO EVERYONE MR. MEYERS, SO CONCERNS AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SORT OF ADDRESS THIS TO COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE NCCD. HOW WAS IT THEY'RE NOT CONFORMING TO THE NCCD? HOW, HOW IS THAT ALLOWED? AS FAR AS I KNOW, YOU'LL HAVE TO ASK STAFF ON THAT, BUT I DO BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE THOROUGHNESS THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN BECAUSE OF THE AFFORDABILITY USE, THE AFFORDABILITY UNLOCKS PASSED BY COUNCIL, WHICH I THINK IS CITYWIDE INDEPENDENT OF ANY NTC CD OR, AND SO THAT GIVES THEM THE ABILITY BECAUSE THEY'RE PROVIDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO IT'S WITHIN ENTITLEMENTS. UM, THERE'S JUST ENTITLEMENTS THAT, UH, ARE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY OVERRIDE OUR CITYWIDE, UM, INDEPENDENT OF NCCC OR THEIR DISCUSSION. THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS TO, UH, DENY THERE'S. THERE SHOULD BE GOOD APPROPRIATENESS ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE WAS IMPOSED ON ME. THE MOTION FAILS ONE EIGHT. WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION AND HAVE TO APPROVE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS SECOND BY JACOB. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. EIGHT ONE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU. UH, BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CASE, I DO NEED TO REMIND YOU THAT WE HAVE LESS THAN AN HOUR LEFT WITH SEVERAL CASES TO GO PLUS OFFICER ELECTIONS. SO, UH, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO JUST ASK YOU TO BE MINDFUL OF THE TIME CONSTRAINTS. SO WE GET THROUGH EVERYTHING WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS EVENING. AS FAR AS DISCUSSION, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, CASES THAT ARE GOING TO LEAD TO YOUR VOTE, BUT, UH, FOR JUST EVERYONE TO BE MINDFUL OF HOW MUCH MORE WE STILL NEED TO GET THROUGH BEFORE OUR TIME IS UP. THE NEXT CASE [B5. C14H-2013-0040 – Offered for consent approval Commodore Perry Estate, 710 E. 41st Street Council District 9 ] IS, UH, TWO SIGNS AT THE COMMODORE PERRY HOTEL, SEVEN 10 EAST 41ST STREET. THESE, UH, B SIGNS ARE COMING TO YOU. UH POST-CONSTRUCTION UH, AS, [03:05:01] UH, COMMISSIONER MYERS MENTIONED TO THE APPLICANT, UH, THE SIGNS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE SIGNS THAT THE ST CECILIA HOTEL ON ACADEMY DRIVE, AS FAR AS THEIR NEON USE OF NEON AS AN OUTLINE MATERIAL, UH, USE OF NEON AS A HALO LIT FOR HALO LIGHT FOR THE LETTERS, UH, B SIGNS ARE A LITTLE BIT LARGER THAN THE ST CECILIA AND MAY ALSO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL NEON DETAIL, BUT, UH, STAFF BELIEVES THAT THEY COMPLY WITH OUR, UH, SIGN STANDARDS FOR HISTORIC LANDMARKS. UH, THEY ARE A POLE MOUNTED, WHICH ARE, UH, DISCOURAGED ON SIXTH STREET, BUT, UH, ALLOWED AT LEAST BY POLICY IN A MORE SUBURBAN AREAS. SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THESE SIGNS. I HAVE A MOTION CHAIR, MYERS I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL SECOND. YOU NOTICE THAT WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT THE SIGN ON ST. SICILIA ON HOTEL ST. SICILIA AS A PRECEDENT, THESE THINGS COME BACK, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU APPROVED. I DON'T THINK THAT THE SIGN ON THE SAINT CECILIA IS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT NEOCLASSICAL HOUSE. UM, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY COMMODORE FOR THE PERRY ESTATE. AND I THINK THAT IT LOOKS OUT OF CHARACTER WITH THE ITALIAN RENAISSANCE, HER BIBLE, UM, AND MANSION AND THE LANDSCAPING. AND I THINK THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE IN KEEPING THE NEON IN PARTICULAR IS OFFENSIVE. AND I THINK THE LETTERING, THE FONT COULD HAVE BEEN MORE APPROPRIATE TO A 1920S ITALIAN RENAISSANCE REVIVAL ESTATE. I'M GOING TO AGREE. THAT'S MY OLD NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PERRY STATE REPRESENTS A VERY SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME AND ARCHITECTURE. AND EVEN THOUGH NEON WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THERE IS NO WAY THAT THE PERRYS WOULD HAVE HAD THAT. UH, AS, AS SIGNAGE. I THINK THERE'S A VERY ELEGANT WAY TO HAVE DONE THIS. IT'S A SHAME THEY DIDN'T ASK US AHEAD OF TIME, UH, WHERE THEY, TO AT LEAST REMOVE THAT MAY ON. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE PRESSURE BALANCE. BUELA I AGREE. I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOTION. MR. JACOB, WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU. IT MAKES ME WONDER INSTEAD OF PERMISSION, UH, I'M KIND OF ON THE FENCE ABOUT THIS ONE. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A VISCERAL VISCERAL REACTION TO IT. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THE TIME THEY ALSO WOULD NOT HAVE HAD A SIGN, UM, AVERAGE ADVERTISING THEIR HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY HAS CHANGED OVER TIME. IT'S BECOME, UM, AN EVENT VENUE. UM, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, I THINK THAT IT'S DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT NO ONE WOULD THINK THAT IT'S FROM THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. UM, UH, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. I THINK IT'S, UM, IT SERVES ITS PURPOSE TO DRAW ATTENTION TO THE PROPERTY. UM, AND I DON'T THINK THAT, UH, IT SHOULD NECESSARILY BE MADE TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING FROM THE 1920S WHEN THESE FOLKS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD A SIGN, UM, ADVERTISING THEIR PRIVATE HOME IN THE 1920S, MR. COOK, COMMISSIONER REED. I KIND OF APPRECIATE YOUR SENTIMENTS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE SIGNED STANDARDS. AND HONESTLY IT FRUSTRATES ME TO SPEND TWO SECONDS TALKING ABOUT SIGNS WHEN STANDARDS ARE SO CLEAR. AND THERE IS THE ISSUE OF ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS RATHER THAN ASKING FOR PERMISSION. WHEREAS THE STANDARDS ARE CLEAR. THIS IS NOT A PRE 19 [03:10:01] APPLE'S 1950 BUILDINGS IS NOT ALLOWED. UH, I DON'T SEE YOUR REASON TO GET A VARIANCE JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE, THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROCESS. THAT'S YOUR POINT? I THINK THAT THE DEVIL THAT ADVOCATES THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME THE SCIENCE STANDARDS ARE FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ALWAYS HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. AND, UM, THAT SIGN APPLIED TO A HISTORIC COMMERCIAL BUILDING COULD LEND, UM, SOMETHING FALSE AND INAPPROPRIATE. UM, THEY'RE ALSO USUALLY FLUSH ON THE BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH ON SIXTH STREET. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T REALLY GET THAT FAR AWAY. I THINK THAT THIS IS A DIFFERENT ENOUGH CASE THAT IT WASN'T ORIGINALLY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IT'S NOT ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING. UM, SO, SO I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. UM, NOT PLEASE BE, UM, RETROACTIVE, UM, REQUEST. HOWEVER, MR. MEYERS, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO OUT AND RESEARCH THE ITALIAN RENAISSANCE FOR BIBLE FONT STYLES, BUT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MORE STATELY OR GRAND OR IN SOME WAY REFLECT THE, THE IMAGE THAT THE PERRY'S IS WANTING TO CONVEY. AND IN FACT, THEY DID USE THE MANSION AND THE GROUNDS AND THE WALL TO PROMOTE THEIR OWN ADDITION ALONG PARK BOULEVARD, BUT PERRY IS STATE'S EDITION. AND I THINK THAT IF, IF THEY WERE, IF THEY HADN'T ALREADY ROLLED OVER IN THEIR GRAVE ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED, UM, THEY WOULD PROBABLY NOT GO FOR A KIND OF TWENTIES HONKY TONK SORT OF LOOK WITH THE NEON, BUT WOULD GO FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE STATELY OR AS THEY PROMOTED THEIR, UM, THEIR ADDITION AS AN ENGLISH VILLAGE, UH, OTHER THAN, THAN, THAN WHAT'S THERE NOW, WHICH IS JUST KIND OF A BAR SIGN OR THEIR DISCRETION. SO THE MOTION AND A SECOND ARE TO APPROVE THE SIGN ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED MOTION FAILS. UM, THREE, SIX, MR. HANSEN. OKAY. ISN'T IT PAST THREE TO FIT THERE. IT FAILS THREE TO SIX. SORRY. SO WE NEED ANY MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, BUT ASSIGN OR ASSIGNED LIMITS. SORRY, ONE SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LAYLA AND FEATHERSTON. UM, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. AS IT PASSED AS A 63. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. I THINK MS. BERTRAND'S CASE IS NEXT. OKAY. THREE 19 TO THREE 26TH STREET. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. YES, YES, IT IS FOR DISCUSSION. [C3. HR-2020-107348 – Offered for consent approval 319-323 E. 6th Street (Sixth Street National Register District) Council District 9 ] SO COMMISSIONERS YOU'VE, THIS WAS THE ADDITION OF ALONG THREE BUILDINGS ON EAST SIXTH STREET, BUT ALL THREE WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, BUT NONE OF THEM ARE LANDMARKS. SO YOUR REVIEW OF THIS WOULD BE ADVISORY, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT WERE TO PULL IT BACK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE SO THAT, UH, YOU WOULD MINIMIZE THE VISIBILITY OF THE ADDITIONS FROM THE STREET, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SIXTH STREET ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES. THE USE OF MATERIALS SEEMS TO BE APPROPRIATE. UH, AS THE THREE BUILDINGS HAVE DIFFERENT MATERIALS ON THEM. THERE'S NOT ONE MATERIAL THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH ALL THREE. UH, SO I THINK MOVING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT HAS A MORE MODERN APPEARANCE, LIKE THE, UH, CLEAR COATED WOOD ON THE, UH, SECTION THAT PROTRUDES CLOSEST TO THE PARAPET AND THEN A DARKER PAINTED, UM, WOOD HORIZONTAL SIDING ON THE, ON THE BACK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS FAR AS MAKING THE PROPOSED ADDITION [03:15:01] RECEDE INTO THE BACKGROUND, VISUALLY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF STAFF AND, UH, THE COMMISSION I'M SURE HAS ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT. YEAH. UH, I, I GO WAY BACK WITH THIS COMMISSION, BUT I WAS NOT ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THEY, IF THEY, IF THEY WERE APPROVED THIS, I CERTAINLY DON'T RECALL IF I WAS EVER PART OF IT BECAUSE I'VE HAD PEOPLE ASK ME, HOW DID THAT EVER GET APPROVED, UH, AS IT IS NOW, IT IS VERY PROMINENT FROM THE STREET. IT'S, UH, TAKING A SITUATION THAT'S NOT DESIRABLE. UH, EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY IT AT LEAST GET PREVIOUS GROUP SCRUTINY AND NOW WE'RE MAKING IT WORSE. SO, UH, I THINK THE ONLY SOLUTION I WOULD RECOMMEND IS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY, IN PUSHING THIS BACK, THEY WILL HAVE LESS VOLUME THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE USE OF. BUT I THINK THAT WILL LESSEN THE IMPACT FROM THE STREET. AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE IF THEY WANTED TO SOMETHING ABOUT A STAIR TOWER IN THE CORNER, WHICH MAY STILL HAVE TO BE THERE, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE JUSTIFICATION FOR ALLOWING THAT ENTIRE FACADE TO CONTINUE AS PROMINENTLY AS IT DOES. UH, AND THEN IN CLOSING IT NOT ONLY ON THE SECOND FLOOR, BUT THEN ADDING TO IT WITH THE THIRD FLOOR, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE SPOT. SHE PULLED THIS ONE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS, GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD. I, UM, I COULD NEGOTIATE ON IT. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS, UM, I'M MAKING A MOTION TO DENY THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT DETAILS AND I'LL SECOND THAT ASHLEY COMMISSIONERS, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THIS WAS NOT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. SO THIS IS ADDED ON A NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE TO ASK, SO YOUR OPTIONS COULD BE TO, UH, POSTPONE IT AND REQUEST A NEW DESIGN, UH, IF POSSIBLE, OR, UH, DELIVER COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT AND MAKE A MOTION TO ENDORSE THOSE COMMENTS. MR. MYERS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO WITHDRAW OR AMEND YOUR MOTION? I WOULD LIKE TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION COMMISSIONER. I'M SET. OKAY. I'LL GO AHEAD AND HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE TILL THE NEXT, UH, MEETING WITH THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE OWNER AND ARCHITECT TO, UH, LOOK AT THE MASSING IN SUCH A WAY THAT THE PHYSICAL STRUCTURE IS FURTHER REMOVED FROM THE PROMINENT VISUAL, UH, BASICALLY LESS THAN THE PROMINENT VISUAL IMPACT ON THE STREET. AND THEN WE COULD ALSO, IF THEY WANT TO LISTEN TO, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SOME OF THE MATERIALS, SUGGESTIONS OF STAFF, UH, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE ADVISABLE, BUT I STILL THINK THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE I'M SEEING IS THAT IT IS A DOMINANT MASSING. AND SO IN THE COURSE OF THE POSTPONEMENT, IF THEY WOULD LIKE WE WOULD MUCH PREFER SEE A REVISED PLAN AS IT WAS PUT IN THAT MOTION. I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION. I WOULD, UM, I WONDER IF WE COULD ASK THEM TO VISIT THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE BEFORE COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. THAT IS A POSSIBILITY, BUT AS WE RELATED EARLIER IN THE MEETING, UM, WE ARE VERY LIMITED ON OUR ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND WE ARE PRIORITIZING EITHER LANDMARKS OR, UH, CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES AND LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS FOR THE TIME THAT WE HAVE THERE. SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THERE'S TIME TO PUT IT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, WE WILL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE ANY GUARANTEES THAT EITHER WE'LL HAVE THE MEETING OR THAT WE'VE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE NATIONAL REGISTERED DISTRICT PROJECTS ON THAT AGENDA. THEN I JUST SECOND, THE MOTION [03:20:01] EMOTION AND A PLAIN OLD SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, AYE. AS OPPOSED, MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO NEXT MONTH. ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU, MR. SADECKI FOR QUITE A RUN AND COMMISSIONERS. I KNOW WE HAVE LIMITED TIME. I'LL BE QUICK ON THIS. THE NEXT CASE [C4. HR-2020-110112 – Discussion 3211 Oakmont Boulevard (Old West Austin National Register District) Council District 10 ] IS 32 11 OAKMONT BOULEVARD IN THE OLD WEST AUSTIN NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT. A, THE DEMOLITION OF A CONTRIBUTING PROPERTY WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. THE PROPOSAL NOW IS TO CONSTRUCT A TWO AND A HALF STORY HOUSE. UH, YOU SAID DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, IT HAS AN IRREGULAR PLAN IT'S CLOUD AND FIBER SUMMIT FIGHTING. AND IT'S CAPPED WITH A VERY COMPLEX ROOF, INCLUDING GABLES OVER THE MAIN PART OF THE HOUSE AND VARIOUS PROJECTIONS. IT HITS OVER THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING AND SHED DORMERS HAS FIXED IN CASEMENT CLAD WOOD WINDOWS AND EXTERIOR BRICK CHIMNEY. THE FIRST FLOOR WINDOWS ARE CATHOLIC TRANSPLANTS. UM, WELL THE SECOND FLOOR WINDOWS HAVE BRACKETED PENT ROOF. THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR STANDARDS NUMBERS NINE AND 10 TO EVALUATE PROJECTS AND NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICTS IS CLEAR THAT THE HOUSE IS DIFFERENTIATED FROM NEARBY HISTORIC BUILDINGS, STAFFED RULES THAT IT'S COMPLEX COMPLEX MASSING AND ROOFLINE AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SCALE MASSING DESIGN FEATURES AND ORNAMENTATION. AND THEN, UM, THE REST OF THE DISTRICT, THAT'S THE OTHER EXAMPLES OF TWO STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE COMPATIBLE, BUT THIS DESIGN STAFF DOES NOT FEEL THAT THIS DESIGN IS COMPATIBLE AND INTERESTING. A TWO STORY DESIGN ACTUALLY THAT WAS APPROVED ON CONSENT IS 1317 WESTERVILLE, WHICH IS A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH STRUGGLE, HORIZONTAL LINES. THAT WOULD BE IT JUST INTERESTING THING TO LOOK AT THE STAFF FEELS DOES MEET THOSE STANDARDS. UM, WE PROVIDED EXTENSIVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT ON, UM, WAYS THE DESIGN COULD BE MADE MORE COMPATIBLE. I COPIED THOSE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND SOME CHANGES WERE MADE TO THE, TO THE SKIN OF THE BUILDING IN TERMS OF WINDOW SIZE AND PAIRING AND THE LOCATION OF A COUPLE OF GABLES AND THE ADDITION OF COLUMNS. SO YOU APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT RESPONSIVENESS ON THAT. HOWEVER, STAFF STILL FEELS THAT THE DESIGN IS, IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE DISTRICT NEARBY AND RECOMMENDS POSTPONING THE CASE TO SEPTEMBER 28TH AND ENCOURAGING REVISIONS, PARTICULARLY AROUND STRONGER HORIZONTAL PROPORTIONS, SIMPLIFYING THE PLAN ROOFLINE AND MASSING. UM, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES AND THERE ARE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT ARE ON THE STAFF REPORT, KIND OF HAPPY, HAPPY TO DISCUSS THOSE WITH THE APPLICANT AT ANY POINT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. AND IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, COULD YOU QUICKLY JUST SHOW THE ELEVATION WITH THE, UH, FIREPLACE THAT SIDE ELEVATION, IF YOU HAVE THAT SLIDE THAT WILL BE IN THE BACKUP. OKAY. WELL, I, I, I HAVE IT IN MY MIND. UH, THE COMMISSIONERS MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT OR IF THE, IF THE OWNER WANTS TO LISTEN TO THE TAPE OR WHATEVER AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT THE QUESTION THAT WAS POSED BY THE ARCHITECT WAS ALL OF THIS VOLUME AND THEY COULDN'T REDUCE IT BECAUSE IT WAS REQUIRED BY THE DESIGN. BUT IF THE PITCH OF THE ROOF, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE GABLE FACING THE STREET, YOU HAD THE PLAINT FACING THE STREET. NOW THAT SIDE ELEVATION SHOWS A ROUGHLY THE SAME WIDTH. AND IF THAT WAS THE SECOND STORY ELEVATION THAT THEN FROM THE TWO STORY PLATE ROSE UP AND BEHIND NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE ESTABLISHED TWO STRONG HORIZONTALS, ONE AT THE BASE AS THEY BEGUN TO DO, UH, WITH THE FRONT DOOR AND THE STEP BACK. AND THEN ONE WITH THE SECOND FLOOR. UH, IF THE OWNER REALLY WANTS TO WORK WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THEIR HISTORIC NEIGHBORS, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO, AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. UM, BUT THAT THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL, I THINK WHAT WE OUGHT TO BE INSTRUCTING THEM OR GIVING THEM SOME MORE, MORE, VERY SPECIFIC DIRECTION BECAUSE THE LITTLE SMALL EVENTS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING, AREN'T LISTENING THE OVERWHELMING IMPACT OF THAT VERY LARGE CABLE FACING THE FRONT. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION TO POSTPONE. UM, AND IF WE GET A SECOND THAT, OKAY, ANY [03:25:01] FURTHER DISCUSSION, LET ME CLARIFY THAT MY MOTION TO POSTPONE WOULD BE UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND TO, UM, THE INTERIM TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE, UM, CONCERNS, UM, OUTLINED BY STAFF AND THE COMMISSION. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. OKAY. COMMISSIONERS. [D1. HDP-2020-0231 – Discussion 2609 San Pedro Street Council District 9 ] OUR LAST CASE IS AN APPLICATION FOR THE DEMOLITION OF TWO HOUSES IN TRAVIS HEIGHTS. FIRST, THE FIRST ONE IS AT EIGHT 15 RUTHERFORD PLACE. IT'S A 1932 TO REVIVAL HOUSE. I SHOULD ASK YOU, SORRY. DID WE SKIP OVER D ONE 26 OR NINE SAN PEDRO? WE DID. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE THREE MORE CASES. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I WAS GETTING EXCITED. SO MS. CONTROLLERS WILL PRESENT THE SAN PEDRO CASES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE TWO CASES. AMY HCP, SECTION ITEM C. ONE IS A PROPOSAL TO DEMOLISH A CIRCUIT 1935 DUPLEX. AND IT'S BUILDING HIS TWO STORIES OF HORIZONTAL SIDING, SIX OVER SIX WOOD WINDOWS, SHINGLED ROOF, AND A SECOND FLOOR BALCONY, TWO SINGLE CAR GARAGES, LIKE THE FRONT OF THE LOT 2,600 AND SAN PEDRO WAS BUILT 1935 AND SERVED PRIMARILY AS A RENTAL PROPERTY. AND LATER AS A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING FOR OWNER JOSEPHINE DRAPER, DANIEL DANIEL WAS A MEDICAL JOURNALIST WHO TOOK OVER THE TEXAS MEDICAL JOURNAL AFTER HER HUSBAND WHO WAS OUT OF THE JOURNAL FOR AN DANIEL PASSED AWAY IN 1914. THE JOURNAL WAS EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL AS TEXAS IS MOST WIDELY READ MEDICAL PUBLICATION OF THE LATE 19TH AND EARLY 20TH CENTURIES. UH, AND MOST OF NOT, UM, I WOULD SAY MOST OF THE MEDICAL AND SCIENTIFIC PUBLISHING AT THE TIME WAS DONE BY MALE AUTHORS. THIS, THERE WERE A FEW NOTABLE FEMALE MEDICAL JOURNALISTS, NOT NECESSARILY IN TEXAS THOUGH. UH, THERE'S A 2001 ARTICLE AVAILABLE IN YOUR BACKUP THAT DESCRIBES HOW DANIELS, UM, SHE HAD A VERY SUBTLE WAY OF INTRODUCING FEMINIST CONCEPTS TO THE READERSHIP WHO WAS MOSTLY MALE AT THE TIME. UM, AND SHE ATTEMPTED TO CORRECT SOME OF THE, UH, THE BIASES PROMOTED BY FERNAND DANIEL, UM, IN HIS, UH, HIS EUGENESIS COMRADES, UM, IN, UH, IN MEDICAL JOURNALISM IN TEXAS, UM, AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY. SO BY THE 1930S, HOWEVER DANIEL HAD SOLD THE JOURNAL BY THE FORTIES. SHE WAS MANAGING A BIOLOGICAL LAB IN AUSTIN AND LIVING FULL TIME AT THE SAN PEDRO HOUSE. UNFORTUNATELY, MRS. DANIEL'S EARLIER RESIDENCE ON SALITO STREET WAS DEMOLISHED TO MAKE ROOM FOR STUDENT APARTMENTS. SO THIS IS THE ONLY REMAINING BUILDING ASSOCIATED WITH THE TEXAS MEDICAL JOURNAL AND THE DANIEL FAMILY HERE IN AUSTIN, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONSIDER INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING BASED ON THE BUILDING'S ASSOCIATION, WHICH HAS BEEN DRAPER DANIEL, SHOULD THE COMMISSION DECIDE INSTEAD TO RELEASE A DEMOLITION PERMIT, STAFF RECOMMENDS COMPLETION OF THE CITY DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU, MS. YEAH. QUICKLY, WOULD YOU SPEAK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL CONDITION OF THE HOUSE YOU MADE GENERAL REFERENCE TO THAT IN YOUR REPORT? YES, SHE WAS IN COMMISSIONER. UM, HERE, THIS IS A TWO STORY COLONIAL REVIVAL, UH, INFLUENCE BUILDING. IT'S GOT HORIZONTAL SIDING, UM, WOOD WINDOWS. MOST OF THEM ARE SIX OVER SIX. UH, THE SHINGLE ROOF IS COMPOSITION, I BELIEVE. AND THERE'S A SECOND FLOOR BALCONY. UM, THE TWO CAR GARAGES, TWO SINGLE CAR GARAGE IS IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. UH, LOOKING A LITTLE WORSE FOR WEAR, BUT IN GENERAL IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, THIS BUILDING MAINTAINS INTEGRITY. UH, AT LEAST FROM THE TIME THAT, UM, JOSEPHINE DRAPER, DANIEL LIVED THERE PERMANENTLY. SO THE WINDOWS ALL INTACT THE PORCH, THE COLUMNS, THAT WAS WHAT ALL AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL ASCERTAIN ALL BE ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING FAR AS WE CAN TELL, UM, WE DID DO A DRIVE BY, UM, THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY WASN'T ACCESSIBLE, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE MOST OF THE FACADE WINDOWS ARE INTACT OR AT LEAST OUR WOOD WINDOWS. [03:30:02] THANK YOU. AND WE CAN ALSO CLARIFY THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AS WELL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE A MOTION? I THINK THIS MERITS OF THE INITIATION OF ZONING, I THINK WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING. UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE ALSO A VERY GOOD WAY TO ENCOURAGE THE CURRENT OWNER TO CONSIDER ALTERNATIVES TO DEMOLITION. SURE. BALANCE. WELL, UM, I'LL SECOND. THE MOTION WITH JUST A, UH, AN ASK ON CLARIFICATION OF THE TWO CRITERIA THAT YOU ARE INITIATING A HISTORIC ZONING UNDER, UNDER THE ARCHITECTURE, AS WELL AS THE ASSOCIATION OF HISTORIC ASSOCIATION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, WE HAVE VERY FEW PROPERTIES ASSOCIATED WITH WOMEN, UM, AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THIS EMOTION. ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, MOTION PASSES. EIGHT ONE EIGHT 15 RUTHERFORD PLACE [D3. HDP-2020-0274 – Offered for consent approval 815 Rutherford Place and 1204 Alta Vista Avenue Council District 9] AND 1204 ALTAVISTA. YES. COMMISSIONER EIGHT, 15, RIGHT. WAS AS A 1930 HOUSE DOWN. IT WAS BUILT DRY CLEANING BUSINESS. HE LIVED HERE UNTIL ABOUT 1936 AND THAT WAS PURCHASED BY ATTORNEY JESSE BUTLER, HIS WIFE, RUBY, MR. BARTLETT PASSED AWAY AND THEY BUILT THE HOUSE ACTUAL RENTAL PROPERTY. AND THAT HOUSE WAS RENTED BY CLARENCE AND ANNA MAE WATERS FOR THE FIRST 10 YEARS OF ITS EXISTENCE. MR. ROGERS WAS IN THE FOOD SERVICE BUSINESS. HE MANAGED ONE OF THE NIGHTHAWK RESTAURANTS. WE BELIEVE THE ONE ON SOUTH CONGRESS. UH, HE RAN APPARENTLY OPENED ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS IN THE TERRACE MOTOR HOTEL ON SOUTH CONGRESS, AND THEN MOVED ON TO BE A SALES MANAGER FOR POLAR ICE CREAM. UH, WE REVIEWED THESE HOUSES FOR, UH, HOW THEY, UH, MEET THE CRITERIA FOR DESIGNATION AND OUR EVALUATION WAS THAT THEY DO NOT. SO THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO ENCOURAGE REHABILITATION THEN ADAPTIVE, REUSE, THEN RELOCATION OVER DEMOLITION, BUT TO RELEASE THE DEPARTMENT FOR HOUSES UPON COMPLETION OF A CITY DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU, MR. PETOSKEY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR STAFF TO, UM, MR. MYERS, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? YES. MR. SEDOWSKY DID THEY ALSO INCLUDE THE HISTORIC GARAGE AND THE DEMOLITION REQUEST? YES. I BELIEVE EVERY, EVERY BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO DEMOLITION COMMISSIONER. OKAY. I WAS GOING TO MOVE TO, OH, SORRY. COMMISSIONER JACOB, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF? I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS IF STAFF COULD ELABORATE ON THE REASONING THAT IT DIDN'T MEET CRITERIA. SURE. UM, THE, THE TUTOR REVIVAL HOUSE MADE ME PICK CRITERION FOR ARCHITECTURE, BUT, UH, WE DON'T FEEL THAT THE 1948 HOUSE ON ALTA VISTA DISPLAYS ANY DISTINCT ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. UM, IT ACTUALLY LOOKS OLDER THAN IT REALLY IS. IT'S GOT AN OLDER [03:35:01] CONFIGURATION TO IT, ALMOST A WING AND GABLE CONFIGURATION. UH, IT WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY AND, UH, AFTER THE WATER HAS MOVED OUT, THERE WERE, UH, THERE WAS REALLY NO INFORMATION ABOUT WHO ALL LIVED IN THERE SINCE THEN. UH, THE CONDITION OF THE TUTOR REVIVAL HOUSE IS PRETTY BAD. UH, STAFF HAS GONE BY IT. IT'S IT'S, UH, RATED SIGNIFICANTLY. AND, UH, IN REVIEWING THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE TWO OWNERS AND OCCUPANTS THAT WE KNEW, THERE WAS REALLY NO FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, EITHER MR. FASLANE WHO HAD THE DRY CLEANING BUSINESS OR MR. BUTLER, WHO WAS THE ATTORNEY. SO WE DIDN'T FEEL THAT EITHER HOUSE MET THE CRITERIA FOR HISTORICAL ASSOCIATIONS, MR. MEYERS, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE POSTPONE THIS ITEM. UM, BOTH HOUSES AND THE HISTORIC GARAGE ARE CONTRIBUTING RESOURCES IN THE PENDING TRAVIS HEIGHTS, UM, FAIRVIEW PARK, NATIONAL REGISTER DISTRICT AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, WANTED TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE OWNER AND DISCUSS THE PLANS. UM, THEY, UH, I GOT THREE LETTERS AND THEY ALL SAID THAT THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTICE UNTIL YESTERDAY. AND SO THEY, THEY WERE ASKING US TO POSTPONE THAT ALL SECOND. I SAID FOUR TO POSTPONE, MAN. I KNOW, UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP IN OPPOSITION, BUT WE DID GET SOME EMAILS. AND I KNOW THAT THERE, UM, FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS CASE AND I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY NEXT MONTH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MR. CHRISTIAN? YEAH. I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION OF POSTPONE FOR THE REASONS THAT COMMISSIONER MEYER SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT, THAT ASKED FOR IT. UM, I ALSO THINK THERE WAS A, A DUPLEX LAST MONTH THAT I NOTICED MOST POSTS AND THE DEMOLITION OF IF WAS GOING TO BE REPLACED BY A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. AND THAT ONE PASSED ON, UH, CONSENT THIS TIME AROUND AND AS COMMISSIONER COOK KIND OF SAID EARLIER, YOU CAN HAVE A TINY LITTLE KNOTS AND LOGIC WITHIN YOUR BRAIN TO KEEP IT ALL STRAIGHT OF WHERE YOUR VALUES LIE. UM, AND MAKING SURE YOU'RE BEING CONSISTENT. I THINK THAT HERE WE HAVE TWO HOUSES THAT I PROBABLY AGREE WITH THE STAFF ON THEIR MERITS FOR HISTORIC ZONING. UM, BUT I THINK THAT THAT IS SYMPTOMATIC OF THE BAD LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, BREAKING UNDER THE WEIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, SYSTEMIC WEALTH INEQUALITY, AND PEOPLE SPEAK DISPARAGINGLY OF UP ZONING AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO TO OUR COMMUNITY. WELL, NOW WE'VE GOT DEFACTO DOWN ZONING AND IT'S TERRIBLE. SO I'LL SUPPORT THE MOTION. ARE THERE DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. BYE BYE. THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. EIGHT ONE BRINGS US TO [D5. HDP-2020-0294 – Discussion 2816 San Pedro Street Council District 9 ] 28, 16 SAN PEDRO COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS ITEM D FIVE 28 16 SAN PAGERS STREET. UM, THIS IS ANOTHER APPLICATION TO DEMOLISH, UM, CIRCA 1924 STUCCO CAPE COD HOUSE ON SAN PEDRO, UH, DIE GABLES WITH A SHINGLE ROOF AND THREE GABLED DORMERS. ALL THE WINDOWS APPEAR TO BE WOOD, UH, WITH THE DOORS SURROUNDED BY SIDELIGHTS AND A FAN LIGHT. AND THE ENTRYWAY COVERED BY A PEDIMENT AT PORTICO. THE SIMPLE PUMPKIN COLUMNS, THE BUILDING OF A SMALL ADDITION AT THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MAIN ELEVATION AND THE TWO STARTED A LASH APARTMENTS TO THE REAR SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPERTY WITH HOMELESS. HE STARTS FOR ELLEN AND WILLIAM WISE AND THEIR FAMILY AND THE 1920S. UM, WILLIAM WISE WORKED IN THE OIL AND COAL INDUSTRY AND HIS FAMILY, BUT MYSTIFIED FUEL TO CITY OF AUSTIN FACILITIES. UH, HE DIED A YEAR AFTER MOVING INTO SAN PEDRO HOUSE. SO HE REALLY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO LIVE IN IT FOR VERY LONG ISLAND. BROS WISE WAS A WRITER, EDITOR, PUBLISHER, AND ENTREPRENEURS WHO STARTED HER CAREER AT THE TURN OF THE CENTURY AS A SOCIETY EDITOR FOR THE AUSTIN STATESMAN IN 1911, SHE ESTABLISHED GOSPEL ADVERTISING AFFIRM THAT PUBLISHED MARKETING MATERIALS AND A NEWSPAPER AND WAS HOUSED IN THE NATIONAL BANK BUILDING. AND THE SCARBOROUGH BUILDINGS, UH, [03:40:01] WAS ALSO ADVOCATED FOR WOMEN IN THE PRESS AS A MEMBER OF THE TEXAS CUSTOMERS' ASSOCIATION. AND SHE SPOKE OFTEN AT THEIR GATHERINGS ABOUT ENTERING THE MALE DOMINATED ADVERTISING WORLD. SHE WAS ALSO A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE QUILT CLUB, WHICH GREW INTO A CONSORTIUM OF AUSTIN'S PROFESSIONAL AUTHORS, INCLUDING JOSEPHINE DANIEL OF 2,609 SAN PEDRO. THEY CLAPPED REGULARLY MET AT WISER, THE STATE DUB OWL'S ACRE AND THE 1920S, BUT IT WAS LATER RENAMED FIVE ACRE BY LITERARY MINDED OCCUPANTS ELLEN BROS WISE ALSO RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT PRESS FOR HER ROLE IN PLANNING AUSTIN'S MUNICIPAL FLAG ALONGSIDE THEIR AP BALDRIGE. UM, AND HER SON WILLIAM WISE, JR. FOLLOWED IN HIS MOTHER'S FOOTSTEPS, EDITING AT THE ADVERTISING FIRM ALONGSIDE HER UNTIL 1940, WHEN HE MOVED TO KANSAS TO START HIS OWN RADIO BROADCASTING COMPANY. AND WILLIAM WISE, JR WAS ALSO A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE AUSTIN ADVERTISING CLUB. AND, UM, HE RAN ITS MERCHANDISING AND MARKETING SCHOOL DURING THE 1930S, UNTIL HE MOVED TO KANSAS. WISEACRE WAS A FREQUENT STOP OR PORSCHE ARTISTS, WAYMAN ADAMS, ALSO, UM, ADAMS, HIS WIFE IS BROTHER-IN-LAW AND HE TRAVELED THE COUNTRY MAKING OFFICIAL PORTRAITS FOR POLITICIANS, EDUCATORS, AND OTHER PUBLIC FIGURE. SO HE AND HIS FAMILY, UM, OFTEN STOPPED IN TO SEE, UH, HIS SISTER-IN-LAW AND TO VISIT, UM, WITH HER SON AND DAUGHTER IN LAW WHO ALSO LIVES THERE UP UNTIL 1940 ADAMS AND HIS FAMILY EVENTUALLY MOVED PERMANENTLY TO AUSTIN AND PURCHASED A HOUSE IN SAN GABRIEL WHERE IT WAS A SISTER MARGARET BURROUGHS ADAMS FOUNDED A PRESERVATION ADVOCACY GROUP, THE HERITAGE SOCIETY AT AUSTIN, AND UNFORTUNATELY THE SAN GABRIEL HOUSE AND STUDIO BOTH BURNED IN 1976. UM, SO THERE ARE STAR STAFF AND THERE'S NO OTHER BUILDINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WITH THE ADAMS FAMILY AND THEIR ARTISTIC LEGACY STAFF RECOMMENDS INITIATION OF HISTORIC ZONING BASED ON THE HOUSES ASSOCIATION WITH ELLEN BURROWS, WIFE AND HIS FAMILY. UH, BUT SHOULD THE COMMISSION DECIDE AND SUCH RELEASE THE DEMOLITION PERMIT RECOMMENDS COMPLETION OF A CITY DOCUMENTATION PACKAGE. THANK YOU, MR. MYERS, I MOVED THAT WE INITIATED START ZONING BASED ON ARCHITECTURE AND ALL. THEN THE ASSOCIATION WITH MS. WISE, OTHERWISE ACRES, HISTORIC ASSOCIATIONS. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CONDITION OF THE ARCHITECTURE, UM, THOSE ELEMENTS, UH, ON EITHER SIDE OF THE WINDOWS, UH, WHETHER THERE'S BEEN ANY MODIFICATION TO THE DOOR OR ANY, UH, EVIDENCE OF CHANGE OTHER THAN THE ADDITIONAL OFFICE SIDE, WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION IF WE NCE DISTRICT ZONING. EXACTLY. FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY, AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES NINE ZERO. OKAY. I BELIEVE THAT IS THE END OF OUR DISCUSSION PIECES. WE HAVE NO UPDATES ON THE CBRE AND SNEAD HOUSE, UM, TO ANY COMMITTEES, HOW MANY [4A. Discussion and Possible Action on Committee Reports 1. Architectural Review Committee 2. Operations Committee 3. Grants Committee 4. Preservation Plan Committee] REPORTS TO MAKE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATE? THE LAST MEETING OF THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS COMMITTEE. NOW THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW COMMITTEE MET AND WE DID GO OVER, UM, THE LOPEZ HOUSE, THE TOWER, UM, THE, UH, BARTHOLOMEW BUILDING AND OTHERS THAT CAME UP ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT AND GIVE THEM [03:45:01] FEEDBACK. THE GRANTS COMMITTEE DIDN'T REALLY MEET IN PERSON, BUT, UM, EACH OF US PARTICIPATED IN THE EVALUATION OF THOSE, UM, GRANTS THAT WE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, I THINK WAS A GOOD CROP OF GRANTS AND REALLY WELL DONE, UM, EVALUATION PROCESS BY THE CITY. ANYTHING, I JUST MENTIONED THAT A PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS COMING MONDAY. UM, AND WE'LL DISCUSS A CENTRAL FRAMEWORK FOR A PHASE, ONE OF A PRESERVATION PLAN. UM, WE WOULD APPLY FOR A CLG GRANT FOR, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THOSE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. OKAY. AND SPEAKING OF COMMITTEES, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SOME COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS, BUT I THINK WE CAN MAYBE CAMPBELL THAT TO NEXT MONTH, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. [4B. Officer Elections] OKAY. WE'VE GOT OFFICER ELECTIONS. SO COMMISSIONERS IN THE PAST, UH, WE'VE JUST HAD OPEN NOMINATIONS AND A VOTE FOR THE OFFICERS OF THE COMMISSION THAT WILL SERVE FOR THE NEXT YEAR. WELL, I'D LIKE TO ASK THE TORCH AND I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE MR. MEYERS FOR CHAIR. I'LL SECOND THAT ANY OTHER, I AGREE TO SERVE THIS GREAT, UH, ALL IN FAVOR OF NOMINATING COMMISSIONER MYERS TO YOUR CHAIR, PLEASE SAY, AYE. AYE, AYE. MOTION PASSES SIGNED ZERO. NOW THERE'S SOME SORT OF CONVENTION, RIGHT? CONVENTION. THE BALLOON DROP. WELL, WE HAVE A NOMINATION FIRST BEFORE THE BALLOON DROPS BEFORE. OH, RIGHT. YES. ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIR? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER HINDSIGHT, BUT BEST DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT AGAIN. MY TERM ACTUALLY WANT WE'RE NEW, SO I WON'T BE ON THE COMMISSION NEXT YEAR. SO WE'LL SECOND. THE NOMINATION FOR BEN FOR, SORRY. WELL, I, I WON'T SAY NO. ALRIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AS OPPOSED MOTION PASSES. NINE ZERO. OKAY. WONDERFUL. CONGRATULATIONS. WELL, THE ONLY QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK IT COMES TO COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS WAS I'VE NOT HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN COMMISSION CAUSE THEY KEEP CANCELING THEIR MEETINGS. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE HEADWAY WITH THAT GROUP ON THIS ISSUE THAT WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT OR I'M MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT, WHICH IS THESE, UH, ALL THIS PRESSURE ON THESE DOWNTOWN PROPERTIES. SO, UH, WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE THAT THE PRESERVATION PLAN COMMITTEE IS GOING TO HAVE SOME ASPECT OF THAT THAT'LL ADDRESS? IF SO, I'LL JOIN THE GROUP AS THE NEW CHAIRMAN, ALL OF A SUDDEN TO THAT GROUP, TO THAT GROUP. UM, [4D. Future Agenda Items 1. Briefing on Housing and Planning Department] DID WE HAVE A FEATURE AGENDA ITEM BRIEFING ON HOUSING RELATED TO THIS IS RELATED TO THE COUNCIL PASSED A BUDGET THAT COMBINES THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING. SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSING. SO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT LIKE, UM, WE UNDERSTAND THAT I NEVER BROUGHT IN COMMISSION, HAD REQUESTED A BRIEFING ON THE NEW DEPARTMENT AND WE THOUGHT [03:50:01] WE WOULD, I BELIEVE THAT MANAGEMENT IS CONSIDERING REQUESTS FOR THAT TYPE OF BRIEFING. AND WE THOUGHT WE WOULD OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUEST ONE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT, NOT THE HISTORIC AS OF OCTOBER 1ST, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE WILL BE HOUSED IN THE NEW HANNY HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IT SEEMS LIKE A BRIEFING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF, UH, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT REQUEST, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO BE ON WHAT THAT MEANS, UM, IN TERMS OF PRESERVATION AND THE ROLE OF THE HISTORIC LANDMARK COMMISSION, MY EMOTIONS FOR THAT, JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR. SO MOVED SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR FAST WAS THAT WITH THE VOTE NINE DAYS. SO THERE'S A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DELAY. YES. THERE'S AN ICON IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONER JACOBS PHASE. SO I COULDN'T, I COULDN'T SEE IF HE HAD HIS HAND UP. OKAY. EIGHT MINUTES TO SPARE. SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN ON FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. UNTIL NEXT TIME. THANKS EVERYONE. . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.