* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] SO [Call to Order] WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH STARTING TONIGHT'S ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST. AND I WILL DO THE ROLE, A CONDITIONER. I GUARANTEE HERE. COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR, BOROUGH RAMIREZ HERE. COMMISSIONER GRAY HERE. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DECKER, PRESENT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER KING HERE. ME CABASA IS HERE. COMMISSIONER RAY AND COMMISSIONER SMITH HERE. OKAY, GREAT. [Reading of the Agenda] AND THEN, UH, OUR AGENDA IS A ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 18TH, 2020. AND HOW DO THEY, UM, ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING OR ARE THEY GOOD TO GO? I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THEM, BUT THEY CORRECTIONS TEACHER RECOLLECT AT THE AUGUST BOARD MEETING MINUTES WERE AMENDED. SO THEY WERE ACCEPTED WITH AMENDMENTS AND THE ITEM BEAT BY CHEEK REFLECT THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER. I GAVE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE MINUTES AS AMENDED AND THEN SECOND, UM, BE TO, I MEAN, BE ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE CORRECTIONS, UM, BEING CIRCUIT OF THE AMERICAS POD. UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE VOTED ON WAS TO TRACK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE LAND USE TABLE. ON ANDREW RIVERA. JUST A REMINDER THAT THE MINUTES ARE A FLIGHT, THE COMMISSION'S ACTION UNDER CODE AND OTHER CONDITIONS ARE REFLECTED AND MEMORIALIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED TO COUNCIL. THAT WAS NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS ADDED AS AN AMENDMENT, AS PART OF THE MOTION. SO WE WILL NEED TO TRACK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER THE LAND USE. OKAY. AND I CAN SEE FOR A SECRETARY, I BELIEVE I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING. YOU WERE CHECKING YOUR NOTES. YES. MR. DECKER. THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION. HE STATED THAT STAFF TO CRACK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER. WELL, OKAY. COMMISSIONER, SECRETARY OF GARY UNDER THIS, THAT IS IN MY NOTES. UM, I GUESS INCLUDED IN MY NOTES AND I WAS GOING TO ADD, I'M HAPPY TO REVIEW THE TAPE ALSO TO SEE IF WE VOTED ON IT, THEN IT SHOULD BE IN THE MINUTES IS THE WAY IT GOES. AND SO THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED ON A ONE AND THEN D UM, B ONE ZONING AND THAT IS OFFERED FOR C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FIVE SEVEN ONE WAY OUT DISTRICT ONE. AND THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. A B TO FINAL PLAT WITH PRELIMINARY CA DASH TWO ZERO ONE EIGHT ZERO TWO ONE 7.38, COLTON BLUFF PHASE TWO. AND THAT IS CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS PER EXHIBIT C AND B THREE RESUBMIT RE SUBDIVISION, CA DASH TWO OH ONE NINE DASH ZERO ONE ZERO 0.08, RESUB DIVISION OF LOT THREE BLOCKY WESTOVER HILLS SECTION FOUR, SECTION PHASE TWO. AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM BEFORE FINAL WITH PRELIMINARY PLANS, SEE EIGHT DASH TWO OH ONE TWO DASH ZERO ONE SIX 1.7, A KARA DRIVE BRIDGE FINAL PLAT THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT. AND THAT IS IT FOR OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? AND REMEMBER, I AM GOING TO BE USING THE HAND RAISE. UM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRAY FOR INTRODUCING THAT TO US. UH, I'LL BE LOOKING AT ON THE LITTLE THING ABOUT WHO HAS RAISED THEIR HANDS ON THE LITTLE ICON THINGS. UM, ANY, [00:05:01] ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, IF NOT OKAY. HOW TO USE THAT HAND RAISED. IT IS, UH, IT IS ON THE, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. CAUSE I DON'T USE IT PARTICIPANTS LIKE WITH LIBERAL PERSON, I FOUND AT THE BOTTOM, YOU OPEN UP IN A SUITABLE, HAND-EYE COME BACK YOUR NAME, WHICH SYMBOL. THEN I GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. THAT'S LIKE A LITTLE PERSON WITH A COUPLE OF LINES AND IT SAYS PARTICIPANTS AND YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE OVER IT. IT SAID THAT IT'S LIKE THE MIDDLE OPTION PARTICIPANTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN. AND THERE'LL BE A HAND NEXT TO YOUR NAME ON IT. OKAY. I CLICKED IT. HOW DO I USE IT NOW? WELL, IT'LL, IT'LL HIGHLIGHT BLUE IF YOUR HAND IS UP. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. SORRY FOR INTERRUPTION. YES, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT THE, WE NOTE THE EXHIBIT C FOR NUMBER TWO. OH. I SAID PER EXHIBIT. EXACTLY. AS YOU WROTE THE CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS PER EXHIBIT C. OKAY. THANKS UNTIL ONLY WHEN, IF ALL READY TO TAKE THE FALL FOR IT AND RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRAY. AND NOW I ACTUALLY REALIZED, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONNECT, HOW TO TAKE THE BALL. AND LAST TIME IT WAS JUST VERY INTUITIVE AND NOW I AM NOT FINDING IT. UM, IN FACT, GO OVER YOUR WORK AS YOUR INITIALS, JUST CLICK THAT. AND IT SAYS, MAKE ME PRESENTER GO OVER MY, LIKE THE PARTICIPANT'S NAME. YOU'LL SEE YOUR NAME. AND IF YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE OVER THE, UH, IT SHOULD SAY LIKE J K YOU SEE LIKE MAKE ME PRESENTER. OKAY. AND WE'RE, I JUST HAVE THE GRID RIGHT NOW. SO I AM SO SORRY. Y'ALL UM, WHERE DO I GET THE PARTICIPANT'S NAME? OPEN PARTICIPANTS OR CLOSED PARTICIPANTS? IT'S AN ICON WITH THE PERSON ON THE BOTTOM, LIKE ON THE BOTTOM? YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. NOW I GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT WAS VERY INTUITIVE LAST TIME. NOW IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE AND I APPRECIATE IT. AND I AM TAKING THE BALL, MAKING MYSELF PRO PRESENTER. OKAY. AFTER ALL THAT I WANT TO ASK, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO IS ONLINE? WE HAVE A LIST OF SPEAKERS, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY WAITING TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE, UM, HAD PUT ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? WHO WISH TO SPEAK, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE NIXON LANE OR ALSO FOR, UM, I GUESS EVEN SEE TWO, THREE, ONE THE FINAL, THE COLTON BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD, OR WANTS TO SPEND SPEAK ON THE CARA DRIVE AT GERARD DRIVE. IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND WE HAVE JUST MISSED YOU OKAY. SAYING THAT THEN IT COULD BE CLOSED. YEAH. COMMISSIONER KING. I DID RAISE MY HAND OVER HERE ON THE LITTLE HAND ICON, SO, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO WORRIES. UH, BUT UH, I WAS WONDERING IF I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT, WONDERING IF THERE'D BE A POSSIBLE TO ADD THE CONVENIENCE STORE AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE, IN THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. AND I WAS JUST ASKING IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WOULD SUPPORT ME IN THAT I WOULD PULL THAT, BUT IF NO, ONE'S WILLING TO SUPPORT ME AND KNOW THAT I'M NOT GOING TO PULL THAT. UM, AND OKAY. SO THEN I SEE, I SEE PEOPLE. OKAY. SO THEN, SO THEN I SEE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR HANDS, BUT SO SHOULD WE, I GUESS WE SHOULD, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PERSON WHO WANTS TO UP CONDITIONAL OVERLAY AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S A JOSEPH CAUSE SHE WAS, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS CASE BEFORE THAT IS POSSIBLE TO ADD THIS AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA OR SHOULD WE JUST GO FORWARD AND HAVE, AND HEAR THIS CASE? UM, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, I, I, I SUSPECT THAT THE APPLICANT OR I DID SEE THAT HE HAS SIGNED UP. UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD, VOTE ON THIS CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT AND THEN POSSIBLY THIS WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF HIM WITH A QUICK QUESTION. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH, [00:10:01] CANCEL OR NOT CANCEL IT. STOP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND [Consent Agenda] APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS RED, OR IS THERE A SECOND? AND THAT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER EVANS IS SECONDING OR, UM, OR A COMMISSIONER I'LL JUST THROW OUT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. OH, OKAY. AND ACTUALLY MY LITTLE SPEAKER LIST IS RIGHT OVER YOU. UM, OKAY. COMMISSIONER DUNKIN HAS SECONDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS VISUALLY. OKAY. THAT IS GREAT. OKAY. THE CONSENT AGENDA AS RED, [B1. Rezoning:C14-2020-0057 - One Way Out; District 1] WE HAVE PULLED THE ONE AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S NOT A FULL BLOWN CASE. IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT. I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS, HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND, UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY AND I HAVE TO GET YOUR NAME AGAIN. UM, ALL THIS PAPERWORK, TWO, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT COMMISSIONER KING HAS PROPOSED? ARE YOU THERE? AND THAT IS SOMEBODY GOT THE TV ON THE VIDEO IN THE BACKGROUND. THANK YOU. AND SELECT STAR SIX. WE HAD OUR CHAT AND PLANNING AND ZONING. IF I CAN CLARIFY, WHEN THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED A DIFFERENT REQUEST, THE REQUEST AND ITEM THAT WAS AMUSED BY ZONING, THE PLANNING WITH TWO PROHIBITS SERVICE STATION, JUST TO CLARIFY, NOT CONVENIENT SERVICE SERVICE STATION, CAUSE THE PREVIOUS REQUEST. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT. AND MR. ALAMI. OKAY. THANK YOU, HEATHER AND MR. RAMI J WITH CONSISTENT, WITH THE SAME CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, WHICH I THINK COULD BE FAIR WOULD BE THE GAS STATION. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'M TRYING TO GR TO SEE, OH, THIS IS MY CONDITION OR OVERLAY TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE CONDITION. OKAY. IT WAS ME. I'M SORRY. I JUST POINT OF ORDER TO HEAR THE GENTLEMAN. I CANNOT, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS A RECORDING OF THIS. THAT'S APPARENTLY ON ATX N PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND. YOU CAN HEAR IT'S A DELAY THERE. IT'S MR. RAMI. SO MR. SO I THINK IF MR. RAMI, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA, IF, UM, THEN WE SHOULD JUST HEAR THIS CASE AND JUST, AND, AND VOTE AS WE WOULD NORMALLY DO. AND SO, UM, HEATHER, IF YOU COULD PRESENT THE CASE IN MR. RAMI, YOU'LL BE ALLOWED, UM, SIX MINUTES AND THERE WAS NOBODY SIGNED UP IN OPPOSITION. IT'S JUST THAT WE DID GET AN EMAIL CAUSE I I'M SEEING IT NOW FROM MISS ENOVIA, JOSEPH. SO, UM, HEATHER, IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD. SURE. AGAIN, HEATHER CHAFFIN PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, THE CASE IS C TEAM 2020 ZERO ZERO EIGHT OH ONE, LAY OUT. THE REQUEST HAS BEEN AMENDED, REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM G R C O T G R N U A STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE REQUEST. THIS IS PREVIOUSLY HER WITH A DIFFERENT REQUEST OF LR AND YOU, AND THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON AND OPPOSITION WHO REQUESTED THAT SERVICE STATION VEHICLE HABITED USE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME. AND THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE REQUESTING WAS GOING TO REDUCE THE LIABLE HEIGHT FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, COMMITTED, AND HAS THEN CHANGED THE REQUEST TO GRN YOU, IF IT'S AT THE CORNER SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NINE 69 AND NIXON LANE, IT'S CURRENTLY GRC, OH, THE ONLY CONDITIONAL OVERLAY IS RELATED TO VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY COURSE. ANY FUTURE SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT CODE. IF YOU'RE REQUIRED AN NTA OR A TIA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, [00:15:01] I'M GONNA KIND OF SKIP THROUGH THE REST. THERE ARE S ROUNDING MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LAND USES TO THE SOUTH. MOSTLY COMMERCIAL ZONING AND LAND USES TO THE WEST AND THE EAST. THERE IS A SERVICE STATION ACROSS NIXON LANE TO THE EAST. I'VE RECEIVED LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND AN OPPOSITION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU, HEATHER. AND NOW MR. RAMI YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. OKAY. UH, AS A HEADACHE, THAT'S HIM, UM, THAT'S THE STATION RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. UM, THERE WAS ALSO ONE I HAD TO CROSS LAND 69, 39, 69 AND NIXON LANE. SO RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OF THOSE THREE, THERE IS ALREADY A GAS STATION AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING IT, GET THE STATION, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT MYSELF TO SUCH A OVERLAY AT THIS POINT, GO TO CONDITIONER OVERLAY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT OVERLAY TO BEGIN WITH. BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I CHANGED THE ZONING, THEY APPROVED THAT GR CEO, UH, CONDITION, BEING THAT, AS THEY SAID, NO OTHER MOTIVE SERVICES, THINGS IN THAT NATURE, CARWASH OR WHATEVER. I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. AND, UH, AGAIN, MY INTENTION IS TO GET THE MOST USE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THE CORNER. UH, BUT I WANTED TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE RULE AND REGULATION. I LOVE TO GET THE MOST USE OF IT. THERE IS NOTHING TO, FROM MY SIDE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO COVER IT. AND I'M TELLING YOU ALL LIT UP AND IT'S A GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY. UNFORTUNATELY, MAJORITY OF IT IS IN FLOOD PLAIN. SO THAT IS NOT THAT MUCH THAT THEY COULD USE TO DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO EXCEPT POSSIBLY MIXED USE SO THAT I COULD GET THE MOST OUT OF IT. UH, AGAIN, I TOLD YOU GUYS LAST TIME THAT IT'S VERY GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNFORTUNATE. AND IT'S A SHAME THAT, THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND, AS IN BEING IN THE FLOOD, I, THE TIME FACTOR IS GETTING MORE, MORE, MORE FLOOD BY FEMALES MAP, WHICH I HAD NO IDEA IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THIS. OTHERWISE I PULL UP BASED SOMETHING ON IT BACK IN 2003, FOUR, FIVE WHEN I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY. BUT SO I DO APPRECIATE IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THE, JUST, YEAH, I KNOW GR UH, AND YOU WITHOUT ATTACHING ANY CONDITION TO IT. AND I DO, I DO, I DO NOT WANT TO DO . I'M DONE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF GUMMIES DURING MY LIFE IN THE PAST, BUT IN 2008, I JUST SAID GOODBYE WITH THE FACT I DON'T DO THAT NO MORE SO, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT THINGS IN THERE. I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM, BUT I'M TRYING TO SAY, I DO APPRECIATE A VOTE IN FAVOR OF GR IN YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND, UM, I WON'T GO WITH THE HANDS RAISED ON THE LITTLE ICON THING AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER HANK SMITH. YEAH. I REMEMBER THE MONSTERS. WE SAW IT LAST TIME. AND SO CONSTRAINED MY FLOOD PLAIN. THERE SIMPLY IS NO LAND LEFT AND HE NEEDS THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT ANY OVERLAID TO BUILD ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY. AND SO WE AGREED LAST TIME THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IN THE OVERLAY BECAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE DEVELOPABLE LAND. WE DON'T WANT TO CONSTRAIN HIM ANY MORE THAN WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BECAUSE I WOULD NOT SUPPORT PUTTING AN AGENT ON THE PROPERTY. THANK YOU. THEN COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER KING, AND THEN COMMISSIONER DANGLER AND THEN DUNCAN. THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, YOU KNOW, I RECALL WHEN THIS CASE CAME UP, UM, I BELIEVE I POINTED OUT THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD, UH, AS I RECALL IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD WE LIMIT HIM TO 35 FEET, I BELIEVE, OR SOMETHING LESS THAN 60 FEET. I BELIEVE I POINTED THAT OUT BECAUSE I, IF I'M NOT CONFUSING IT WITH ANOTHER CASE, BUT SO I'M SURPRISED THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOW SAYING THAT, THAT THE, [00:20:01] OF THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT SITUATION WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE ZONING, WHEN WE HEARD THIS ZONING CASE EARLIER. SO, AS I UNDERSTAND AND RECALL, WE DID PASS IT WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO PROHIBIT GAS STATIONS. THAT'S WHAT WE PASSED. SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT WOULD CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. AND I THINK IT IS REASONABLE GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID, HE DOESN'T WANT TO PUT A GAS STATION THERE. IT DOESN'T WANT TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE IN THERE. SO IF THEY, IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO REALLY IMPAIR HIM AND WHAT HE'S, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO THESE TWO USES. SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE RESTRICTING CONVENIENCE STORE USE. WE'RE SAYING IF WE ADD THIS IN, BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IT HAS TO GO FOR A CONDITIONAL USE A HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION. UH, SO, UH, OR WOULD THAT COME TO US? WOULD THAT COME TO US? IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL THAT'S SAYING. AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, DOES THAT FIT INTO THE CONTEXT INTO WHAT'S NEEDED BY THE COMMUNITY THERE, IN THAT AREA AND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND HOW THAT AREA IS CHANGING. SO ANYWAY, I SUPPORT A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, UH, WITH, UH, PROOFREADING GAS STATIONS IN A, AND A CONVENIENCE STORE BEING A, UH, A, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. AND NOW COMMISSIONER DANCLER AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, AND THEN COMMISSIONER EVANS. I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE WANTED TO DO IT A GYRO, A HIERARCHAL. I HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY STORE. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH HIM, UM, AND SEE IF THAT WAS STILL WHAT HE WAS PROPOSING TO DO. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UH, COMMISSIONER BANKER, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? BY MY, UH, CALL THE MEETING? UM, SO WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO ON THE PROPERTY? WHAT WAS YOUR PROPOSAL? YOU SAW IT AS ZONING CHANGE. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? OKAY. I BOUGHT TO BUILD SOMETHING SINCE I AM LOSING THE LINKS, RIGHT. MAYBE I GAINED SOME OF HEIGHT. THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO. YOU WERE TRYING TO DO A, UH, A GYRO, UH, SHOP, A SANDWICH KIND OF SHOP? NO, NO, I'M SORRY. THAT WAS NOT THE INTENDED, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET WORD FROM THAT IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE A GYRUS SHOP. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU. SO, UM, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. I'M KIND OF LIKE DAVID, I AM TRYING TO FOLLOW THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES HERE. I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP AND I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE LR WAS MORE APPROPRIATE GIVEN WHAT WAS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTIES, UM, LR CROSS, UH, THIS, UH, NINE 69. IT'S ALMOST ALL LR. UM, AND, UM, I REALIZED THERE IS FLOOD PLAIN ON THE PROPERTY. UH, THE MAP THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE ABOUT A QUARTER TO A THIRD OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN, BUT THAT STILL GIVES HIM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TWO AND A HALF ACRES TO DEVELOP. WE ACRES TO DEVELOP THAT I'M NOT SEEING WHY THE HEIGHT IS NEEDED. AND I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ANOTHER GAS STATION. UM, SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT ON THE MATTER. UM, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW PLANNING PRINCIPLES HERE, UM, BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE HAD BEFORE ON THIS CASE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER EVANS. OH, YES. FIVE ACRES OF WOODLAND. IT'S TOTAL 4.7 ACRE. THAT IS USABLE. ALMOST, NOT EVEN [00:25:01] AN ACRE, ACCORDING TO THE MAP, I'VE BEEN TOO SEVERE MANY TIMES AND I KIND OF EVEN GOOD A RESTAURANT IN THERE. I WAS TRYING TO, WHAT DID SHE INFORMATION? THAT IS NOT CORRECT? I AGREE. SHE WAS OKAY. AND NOW COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND THEN COMMISSIONER EVANS. I FORGOT. MY QUESTION WAS, IS, IS COMMISSIONER DUMPING GOING TO PASS? APPARENTLY I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AUDIO DIFFICULTY ON MY END, BUT IF Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME A COMMISSION. OKAY. VERY GOOD. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, UH, I THINK THAT WE'RE REMISS WHEN WE ASK AN APPLICANT, WHAT HE AND DAMS TO DO WITH THAT PIECE OF LAND. WHAT WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT IS WHETHER THE ZONING IS APPLICABLE TO THAT PIECE OF LAND FROM THE WHOLE CODE ASPECT. AND WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THAT APPLICANT MAY GET THAT JOAN, HE MAY HOLD IT, HE MAY BUILD ON IT, OR HE MAY SELL IT. AND SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED. LESSEE FIGURED OUT HOW TO LIVE FOREVER. AND, UH, WE APPROACH SO MANY OF THESE CASES WITH A SPECIFIC QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU MR. APPLICANT INTEND TO DO RIGHT THERE? AND BY PUTTING THESE CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS IN PLACE, WE JUST CONTINUE TO INHIBIT THE ACTUAL, UH, PROFITABLE VIEWS. WE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO PAY TAXES. WE WANT THEM TO DO THINGS, BUT WE WANTED TO DO IT WITH SO MANY RESTRICTIONS. SO I CANNOT SUPPORT ANY OVERLAY ON THIS. I'LL GO BACK TO THE SAME BOAT WE DID THE LAST TIME. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND HIS NEED FOR HEIGHTS. IF HE'S IMPAIRED BY ALL THE FLOODPLAIN. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, I WILL DO THAT. I MOVE, I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE THANKS ALREADY. SECOND, DID IT FAR BE APPROVED AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR G R M U AS AMENDED? YEAH. LESS THAN A 10TH OF AN ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO LIVE AT THE NEW ATLAS 13 FLOOD, PLAIN, NOT THE OLD FLOOD PLAIN, BUT THE NEW ATLAS, 14 FLOOD PLAIN THERE SIMPLY BURIED VERY LITTLE LAND LEFT IN DEVELOPMENT. AND I'M GOING TO STEP IN AND SAY, I'M, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I LOOKED UP THE HISTORY. AND EVEN THOUGH WE DID RECOMMEND THE G L M M U C O, THAT NEVER WENT TO COUNCIL. AND SO IT'S STILL GRC THOUGH. AND I HAVE DRIVEN PAST THAT PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES AND IT, YEAH, IT IS. IT'S AN INTERESTING PROPERTY AND AN INTERESTING AREA. AND, UM, AND THAT NEEDS MORE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S RIGHT NEAR AS I BELIEVE AT ONE 83 ALSO. SO, UM, I WILL SUPPORT IT. SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, OR SHOULD WE JUST TAKE A VOTE? OH, COMMISSIONER GARY. I JUST WANT SAY IT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE FLOOD PLAIN. AND I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERTS AT THIS AND MEET THAT NEED, BUT I JUST WORRY WHEN YOU HAVE CHEMICALS THAT POST, MY CONCERN IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE HAVING A SERVICE STATION SO CLOSE TO THE FLOOD, PLAIN. ANY OTHER USES WOULD BE GREAT. YOU NEED, YOU JUST HAVE TO WATCH THE CHEMICAL PIECE, BUT THIS IS SO, SO CLOSE TO A FLOOD PLAIN. I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE ACTUALLY. SO, UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH HEIGHT, UM, ANY OTHER USES, BUT THE CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE AGAIN, WOULD BE THE, ANY POSSIBLE CHEMICAL CONTAMINATION I WILL GO DOWN. I, UH, ALL GO. I SEE COMMISSIONER, I SEE COMMISSIONER EVANS RAISING HIS HAND VERY OPENLY, BUT I WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER BENKLER AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER EVANS ON THE HAND NIGHT TIME THING, I KEPT MY HAND. I COUNT ON, UM, I, I COULD, [00:30:01] I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS DONE A GOOD JOB. I WAS RELYING ON THE ZONING MAP AND IF HE'S TELLING ME THE ATLAS MAKES UP PROPERTY, THAT I'M RENDERABLE, I CAN SEE GIVING HIM BEHIND, BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL ASK STATION BACK AND GIVE HIM THE NUMBER THEY HAVE AND GIVE HIM THE PROXIMITY TO THE, UM, FOREIGN PLANE. UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE GR IF THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, PROHIBITING A SERVICE STATION, WHERE DOES GTR HAVE, UH, 50, 60 USES VERSUS LR, WHICH IS 40 USES. SO I THINK THE CASE HAS BEEN MADE TO GIVE HIM EVEN MORE USES, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT SERVICE STATION. I DON'T THINK ADDING A THIRD SERVICE STATION IS REALLY GOOD PLANNING THERE. WELL, I'M GOING TO INTERJECT BEFORE I GO TO COMMISSIONER EVANS AND JUST SAY, THEN SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION ABOUT A SERVICE STATION. SO WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF YES OR NO. AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE GR AND GR NOW REMEMBER THAT IT'S NOT THE LR THAT WE VOTED ON. UM, I'LL MOVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION PROHIBITING, UM, SERVICE STATIONS. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER IS OUR THEORY AND COMMISSIONER KING, BUT I'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER GARY. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND WE CAN JUST DO A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT THE GAS STATION, UM, COMMISSION I'M RELYING ON COMMISSIONER EVANS, CAUSE HE'S HAD HIS LITTLE ICON HAND UP. RIGHT. I REALIZE WE'RE GOING TO PLAY BOTH, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS WE'VE GOT A, A VERY ADAPT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL SEEN CASES LIKE THIS BEFORE, UH, ADS APP, WHERE THERE'VE BEEN SERVICE STATIONS NEXT TO A FLOOD PLAIN AREAS. AND I WOULD THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH THE ADJACENCY THAT THIS SITE OFFERS, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THE PHYSICAL FACILITIES THAT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE ERECTED FOR CONTAINMENT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE UP ALL THE PLAN THAT WAS LEFT FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS HERE ON USES. AND WHO'S TO SAY THAT 15 YEARS FROM NOW, THESE SERVICE STATIONS THAT ARE JASON ACROSS THE STREET, THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS FOR WHATEVER REASON OR ANOTHER. UH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE'S GOING TO BUILD, HE SAID, HE'S NOT GOING TO BUILD A SERVICE STATION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, EVEN IF IT WAS ALLOWED, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE. BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE WHERE HE COULD ACQUIRE THE LAND, THERE WOULD BE SOME ABANDONMENT, WHATEVER. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO RESTRICT IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME JUST TO BE DOING SO ON SOMETHING THAT CAN'T HAPPEN ANYWAY. SO I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, I'LL JUST CALL FOR A VOTE. OH, UM, COMMISSIONER DINKLER DO YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE IMAGINARY HAND SIGN? OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. THEN SEEING NONE THEN ALL I'M ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT A SERVICE STATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. I'M GOING TO GO ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND I'LL READ IT OUT FOR THE RECORD. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WAS COMMISSIONER WAS ME. CABASA DINKLER COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER, DUNKIN, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ, ALL THOSE OPPOSED FOR COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER BRAY AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. AND I SH AND UM, SO THE MOTION PASSES OR FAILS, UH, SIX TO THREE OR SIX TO THREE. SO WE'VE GOT A C ON THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND TOO BUSY FOCUSING ON MY MATH THERE. AND NOW FOR THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO DO GRM YOU, OR IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION KAREN LISTENER? I AM GOING TO GO WITH THE IMAGINARY LITTLE HAND COMMISSIONER. DANCLER WE JUST CALL THE QUESTION ON THE MAIN MOTION NOW? I MEAN, WE, WE DIDN'T, I, I JUMPED TO IT THINKING THAT WE WERE SORT OF DONE WITH OUR DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER KING. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE IT ONE LAST TRY HERE AND I'LL BE REAL QUICK. WOULD ANYBODY BE WILLING TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO HAVE REQUIRED A CONVENIENCE STORE TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? [00:35:06] OKAY. THANK YOU. MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND. AND GOOD TRY THOUGH. AND NOW FOR THE MAIN MOTION IS FOR A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE AMENDMENT WITH, UH, TO MAKE A GR AM NEW CEO WITH THE CEO BEING TO PROHIBIT A SERVICE STATION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. I SEE IMAGINARY HANDS, BUT I THINK THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. UM, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND MOTION. IT IS ME COMMISSIONER DANGLER, COMMISSIONER, KEN COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, VICE CHAIR, BURWELL, RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER BRAY, ALL THOSE OPPOSED COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER EVANS. SO THEIR MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO TWO. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RAMI FOR STICKING WITH US. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. HEY, YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YES, CAUSE SECOND, THE MAIN MOTION AFTER, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. AND NOW I'M GOING TO DO [B3. Resubdivision: C8-2019-0100.0A - Resubdivision of Lot 3, Block E, Westover Hills Section Four Section Phase Two; District 10] B3, WHICH IS THE RESUB DIVISION C EIGHT DASH 2019 DASH ZERO ONE ZERO 0.08. AND THE STAFF MEMBER IS CAESAR SAVALA COMMUNITY COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS HOUSE OF ALLAH. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. THEY, UM, COULD EVEN THE COMMISSIONER TO US FROM ALL OVER THE CITY OF MY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR TTD 2019 ZERO ONE ZERO 0.08, THE RE SUBDIVISION OF LOT THREE BLOCK E WESTOVER HILLS, SECTION 42, A PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 0.4329 ACRES. AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS. THE LOCATION OF THIS RECENT DIVISION IS AT 4,201 HYDRATES DRIVE A WHAT IS OWNING A OF SF THREE? UH, THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY ARE THAT IT HAS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 5,750 SQUARE FEET AND A MINIMUM LOT WITH THE 50 FEET, THE APPLICATION HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED FOR CORE REQUIREMENTS. AND, UH, THE APPLICATION HAS MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO YOU AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. AND, UM, ALSO, UH, TRANSPORTATION REVIEW IS ALSO, UH, ON HAVE THE JOB. HE HAS ANY INFORMATION TO PROVIDE. SORRY, I HAD TO ANSWER THE DOOR. I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE. I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND UM, SO THEN WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S AGENT IS SCHEDULED TO SPEAK AND I BELIEVE YOUR NAME IS MR. UPPERLY. AM I PRONOUNCING THAT RIGHT? MR. UPPERLY BRUCE OPERA? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES. I'LL TRY TO DO THIS WITHOUT AIR, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD. I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, BUT SAVES OUR WIN OVER THE CONDITION. I MEAN, UH, REQUEST, WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY AND STATE CODE, THEREFORE IT'S RECOMMENDED TO APPROVE IT. UM, DO YOU HAVE EXHIBITS AT ALL? DO YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN? ANYTHING? I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU HAVE YELL, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THEM UP. YEAH. DOES ANDREW PUT THEM UP? JUST A NOTE, WHAT NUMBER PAGE HAS BEEN REQUESTED? SO A B ZERO, I GUESS. OKAY. WELL, THESE ZERO SHOWS THE GENERAL AREA. THE SUBJECT TRACK IS IN THE CENTER. UM, NEXT PAGE IS B ZERO THREE, [00:40:01] WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT WAS DONE APPROXIMATELY 40 YEARS AGO. UH, THIS INTERSECTION THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS. AND THEN B ONE B THREE, AGAIN, IS THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE SUBDIVISION PROPOSES A PUBLIC SIDEWALK FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SUBDIVISION. UH, IT ALSO PROPOSES A PUBLIC UTILITY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE ROAD. IT, UH, PROPOSES THAT A DRIVEWAY, UH, BE PERMITTED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND APPROVED. AND ALSO, UH, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS LIMITED TO ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET. UM, I INCLUDED ARIEL, NOT AERIAL PHOTOS, BUT PHOTOS OF THE INTERSECTION, ONE FROM A MOUNTAIN RIDGE, ONE FROM HIGH RIDGE, UH, EAST AND I RIDGE LEFT OR WEST. AND THEN I WANTED TO NOTE THERE'S A APPROXIMATELY EIGHT PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT. UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO READ FROM CATHERINE YORK'S, UH, COMMENTS, OR SHE READ NEW STOP SIGNS WERE PUT IN LAST YEAR AT THIS INTERSECTION, BUT THEY ARE COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE CARS AND TRUCKS RARELY STOP AND OCCASIONALLY SLOW DOWN, UH, MOST COMMONLY THE CARS AND TRUCKS CONTINUE THROUGH THE STOP SIGN WITHOUT SHOWING AT STOPPING AT ALL. THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THIS STREET INTERSECTION AND WHAT YOU DON'T SEE AS THERE ARE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, NEW STOP SIGNS, NEW STOP BARS AND NEW, A STOP AHEAD SIGNS ON THE HIGH RIDGE SIDE, A NEW STOP SIGN, A NEW STOP BARS ON THE MOUNTAIN SIDE. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER THAT. AND I GOT TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO DON CARRINGTON, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK. AND I READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND WHATEVER THEY HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT. I'M REALLY THINKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY THEMSELVES TRY TO GET THIS FIXED IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, CAME OUT AND DID A STANDARD THREE WAYS. STOP STOPPING HEAD. OP BARS DID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT BEHAVING AT THE INTERSECTION. THEY HAD 40 YEARS OF FREE TERMS, AND NOW WE'VE ASKED THEM NOT TO DO THE PRETERMS OR THE CITY HAS ASKED THEM NOT TO DO THE FREE TURNS. SO THE PROBLEM IS REALLY HOW DO YOU GET THE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE AND BEHAVE THAT THE STOP SIGNS ARE THERE AND IN THE DO THE PROPER THING? SO THAT'S WHY I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FALL BACK ON US, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, UM, THE LOT ITSELF WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT WHEN THE HOUSE IS DESIGNED AND BROUGHT IN THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT WILL INCLUDE A NEW DRIVEWAY CUT IN A NEW SIDEWALK. ALL THOSE FEATURES WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE CURRENT OWNER AND WILL BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN. SO I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING WHAT OTHER ISSUES THERE MAY BE. SO I STOPPED PRONOUNCED. HELLO? OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REBUT AND NOW SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AGAINST IS VICTORIA CANTU AND VICTORIA CANTEEN. WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. GOOD EVENING. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. START MY THREE MINUTES NOW. UM, SO I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM [00:45:01] 42 OH ONE HIGHER EDGE. AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY IN OPPOSITION OF PROPOSED SUBDIVISION. AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION IF COVARIANCES ARE REQUIRED. AND THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE COMMISSION STATES TO NO VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED, BUT I SUBMIT THAT THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I LISTENING TO THIS, I DO NOT THINK YOU GUYS ARE JUST A RUBBER STAMP. UM, AND, UM, AND WE'LL MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED AND THAT'S THE WITH SLOT. I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK FOR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED ABOUT. CAUSE HONESTLY, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS, AND WE'RE JUST WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY. IT'S A BLIND CURVE ON A BUSY STREET AND THERE WAS A 2009 APPLICATIONS. THE SUBDIVIDE THAT WAS DENIED DUE TO THIS, THEY SAID, WELL, THAT'S ENOUGH STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE TO MEET CODE NOW. UM, AS MR. APPLEGATE POINTED OUT, THERE IS A STOP SIGN AT THE LOCATION. AND I FRANKLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HER STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE IS STILL AN ISSUE BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN ANY OF THE PUBLIC DOCUMENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CALCULATION WAS REDONE, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED FOR SAFETY WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THE INTERSEX REVENUE DRIVER WOULD BE LOCATED. UM, I'VE GONE OUT THERE. I I'VE WALKED IT, I ROCK IT EVERY DAY. UM, AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE DRIVER WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED IN EITHER WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE, AND IT WOULD BE A KIND OF A BLIND AREA OF NAZI OR IN THE ACTUAL CURB OF THAT INTERSECTION. AND I, I, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS TO ME AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON CITY CODE, BUT IT DOES SAY PER HEAD THAT PUTTING A DRIVEWAY IN A CURB RETURN, WHICH IS THE CURB SECTION OF CURB USE THE STREET INTERSECTIONS AND JOINING STRAIGHT SECTIONS OF THE CURB. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S LIKELY FOR SAFETY REASONS. CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE TRAFFIC, I THINK, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO ANYBODY ELSE IN HERE FOR MYSELF, BUT I WILL JUST SAY I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND IT JUST LOOKS UNSAFE. I MEAN, PEOPLE IN KIDS WALK THESE STREETS EVERY DAY. I MEAN, WE CROSS IT. THERE'S BIKES ON THESE STREETS. UM, MY FOUR KIDS BIKE AND WALK THIS EVERY DAY. AND I REALLY AM CONCERNED THAT IF THEY SUBDIVIDE THE SLOT AND PUT IT IN A NEW TRACKWAY, THAT IS GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS FOR NOT JUST MY KIDS, BUT ALL THE KIDS WHO WALK AND LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY BASIS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN MR. ALBERT LEE I'LL PROBABLY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO REBUT. HMM. OKAY. UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 2009 APPLICATION WASN'T, BUT WE AGREED THAT THE SITE DISTANCE WAS NOT THERE FOR WHAT WAS PROPOSED AND THAT APPLICATION WAS REMOVED. AND WHETHER TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN THE SIGNS WENT UP, THEY PROVIDED A STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE AT THE SIGN, THE STOP SIGNS. SO NOW THERE IS, UM, A PLACE FOR US, A DRIVEWAY. UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN MRS. CANTU SAID CURB RETURN. WHEN SHE TALKING ABOUT CURVE, T U R V E OR C CURB T U R B. THAT'S MY QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS NO CURVE RETURN AND THERE IS ONLY IN THERE'S NO CURB RETURN THERE AT THAT LOCATION. WE CAN ASK HER, WE CAN ASK, UM, MS. CANTU THAT LATER, UM, I SUSPECT SHE'S STILL ON THE LINE. UM, DO YOU WANT TO FINISH UP YOUR THREE MINUTES? OKAY. NO, I STOPPED OR NO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE LITTLE HANDS THAT GO UP AND FIRST ACTUALLY WE SHOULD HAVE, I SEE COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, CAUSE I WILL CALL ON YOU, BUT WE'LL WORK ON THE HAND THING. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS SORT OF AN INTERSECTION I AM COMMITTED WITH. I SENT SOME MATERIAL TO STAFF. IF I COULD GET THE GRAPHICS PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, I'D LIKE TO, UM, YEAH, THAT ONE FIRST. OOPS, I LOST IT. WHERE'D IT GO? YUP. THAT'S IT. UH, THANK YOU. UH, THIS IS AN INTERESTING [00:50:01] AREA BECAUSE IT'S SHAUNA THE CENTROID IN THE NORTHWEST AREA AND IT HAPPENS TO BE AT THE CROSSROADS OF, UH, I THINK A SHORTCUT UP THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE SHORTCUTS, AVOID SPICE WORD, UH, OUR MESA WHEN THEY'RE MOVING IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT EXPRESSES IN THE MOST BRIEF WAY. UM, FIRST OF ALL IS RATHER LARGE SIZE, ESPECIALLY NOT AN ISSUE. IN FACT, I RECALL IT'S CLOSE TO HALF AN ACRE AND UH, UH, DIVIDING IT THE TWO, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOTS OF WOULD NOT BE A NORMAL NORMAL SITUATION. UH, AND IT DOES BRING UP THE OTHER ISSUE OF THE SUMMING ORDINANCE BEING 57 50, WHICH SHOWS HOW OUT OF DATE OUR CODE IS. THERE ARE PROBABLY NO LOTS INTEGRATED NEAR THIS THAT ARE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SIZE, BUT IT IS A DANGEROUS AREA BECAUSE IT IS THE CROSSROADS. THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC SHOWS RIGHT HERE THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE FROM MESA, UH, TO THREE 60, UH, YOU HAVE TO, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT OLD SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE, IT DOESN'T MATTER, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH HARTSVILLE. AND I WOULD IMAGINE ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THIS STATE, BUT PASS THIS, THIS PICK A LOT AT ONCE A DAY ON THEIR WAY TO WORK PLATE OR A SHOPPING, UH, GO TO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT GRAPH I'VE GOT THERE. UH, IT IS THE DANGEROUS IT'S SIGNED ALL OVER THE PLACE. THIS IS THE LOT IT'S GOT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO TURN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I'M SURPRISED THAT NOBODY HAS PLOWED INTO THAT SIGN BEFORE AND IT SHOWS THE CURVE. IT SHOWS THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS. IT, UH, I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT AND THE LADY WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE TO PUT IT IN A DRIVEWAY IS ON THE INSIDE OF A CURB BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S COMING COMMITTED TO THE DIRECTION, UH, WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS A RATHER HAZARDOUS ASSIGNED PLANT. I THINK THAT WAS TAKEN THE ACCELERATION ON IT YEARS AGO FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ACTUALLY SUBDIVIDED. UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, THE NEXT GRAPHIC. YEAH. THESE ARE ON GOOGLE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY NEW ONES. I THINK IT'S RATHER INTERESTING BECAUSE THE ARROW'S POINTING TO THE LOT FROM ALL THREE DIRECTIONS. UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'VE GOT THESE, EVEN THESE LITTLE FLAGS UP THERE. I'M NOT IN THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, BUT I WOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT THAT MEANS I PUT SOME EMPHASIS ON STOP AND SOMEBODY TESTIFIED, NOBODY STOPS THERE. WELL, I'M SURPRISED THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A LOT OF ACCIDENTS BECAUSE IT IS A DANGEROUS SITE THAT WAS STRICTED AREA AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE DIRECTIONS, UH, THE EMPHASIS ON STOP. I THINK WHENEVER I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, THIS CAME UP 10 YEARS AGO AND STAFF RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT THAT COULD UNDERSTAND THAT A WATCH CHANGED TO 10 YEARS. UH, IF ANYTHING, THERE'S BEEN MORE DENSITY AND MORE TRAFFIC. AND, UH, SO WHAT IS COMPELLING STAFF TO RUBBER STAMP THIS APPLICATION? BUT 10 YEARS AGO, THEY FELT LIKE THAT, UH, THE CONDITIONS DID NOT MERIT, UH, THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT. SO I'D LIKE TO STAFF TO DIRECTLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I KNOW THEY WORK AROUND HERE IN 2009, UH, BUT, UH, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A VERY SMALL, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMISSION, MS. RAMIREZ SPECIALTY IS INTEREST IF SHE HAS ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT FROM TRANSPORTATION ACCESS POINT OF VIEW. SO THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS. I WANTED TO GET THEM ON THE TABLE. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS. I ACTUALLY TAKE THAT QUITE OFTEN, WHENEVER I'M TRYING TO AVOID OR GET ACROSS THIS, WHAT I DO KNOW THE SITUATION QUITE WELL. THANK YOU. OKAY. SAY COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR? BURWELL. RAMIREZ. DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST AND THEN I'LL GO TO COMMITTEE AND THEN I'LL GO TO, UH, MR. ZABALA. SURE. AND, UM, SO I DID TAKE QUITE A, YOU KNOW, I DID LOOK AT THIS QUITE A BIT. I DIDN'T DRIVE OUT THERE AND EXPERIENCE THE CHANGE CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE. UM, AND I ASKED THAT TRANSPORTATION STAFF BE ON THE CALL BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE SIGHT DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, THE VISION ISSUES. I DON'T, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED TO BE PLACED. I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING ADDING A SIDEWALK. I THINK THAT'S REALLY NEEDED IN THIS AREA. UM, SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD, GOOD THING. BUT, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE SUN GITA OR SOMEONE ELSE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS ON THE CALL THAT CAN TALK TO SOME OF THESE SAFETY CONCERNS. YEAH. WHO WAS THERE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, PLEASE [00:55:09] COMMISSIONER, UH, THIS IS A DSD. I BELIEVE I'M SHOULD TO BE ON THE LINE. I BEEN HE'S DEAD SILENT. I JUST DON'T. YEAH. I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED AN ENGINEER TO TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY CAUSE YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOUR REQUEST. I THINK THIS JUST SHOWS THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLY MASTERED VIRTUAL CONFERENCE ROOM, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE. THE REAL RAMIREZ HAD ASKED FOR SOMEBODY FROM TRANSPORTATION TO BE ON, UM, UTTERLY. I WAS HOPEFUL. I WAS HOPING FOR AN ENGINEER THAT COULD SPEAK TO THE TRIANGULATION AND THE SITES AND ALL THIS STUFF. CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S OUR MAIN ISSUE. WE CAN'T APPEAL. WELL, WE'RE WAITING ON THAT. THE SIDEWALK ISSUE, I CONSIDER A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET. SO PUTTING A SIDEWALK ON THIS ONE BLOCK. I DON'T KNOW. I SAW ONE, I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT, I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THERE IS A SIDEWALK JUST SOUTH OF THE LOT DOWN THE HILL. SO IT WOULD CONNECT TO IT. IT WOULD CONNECT TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK AND THEN WHERE MISCON TWO LIVES, UH, THEY COULD PUT IN A CROSSWALK TO, SHE'S GOT A SIDEWALK ON HER SIDE OF THE STREET THERE. OKAY. IS OUR TRANSPORTATION EXPERT? YES, I CAN. FOR SOME REASON I WAS BIT I CAN TALK TO YOU, BUT I'M HERE. OKAY, GO AHEAD. BUT A VICE CHAIR. SURE. I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T. DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SO WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THE SUBDIVISION, NOT KNOWING WHERE THIS DRIVEWAY PLACEMENT IS GOING TO BE AND THE ISSUE WITH SIGHT DISTANCE AND STOPPING DISTANCE AND VISIBILITY AND ALL THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY. YES. OKAY. I CAN ADDRESS THE VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BEGIN BY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A SEGREGATION CASE, A SIMPLE GENE, UH, ADDED, UH, W BEING ADDED ON AN EXTRA LINE. UM, SO THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW. UH, BUT IT IS THE FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED, UH, IN MULTIPLE WAYS. UH, ONE PERHAPS NOT EVEN REQUIRING A DRIVEWAY CUTS AT ALL, PERHAPS THE 16 DRIVEWAY COULD BE EXTENDED AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE OTHER, TO THE OTHER LOT. SO THAT IS AN OPTION. UM, UH, UM, I GUESS, UH, EXACT CONDITIONS WON'T BE KNOWN UNTIL EIGHT SITE PLAN IS ACTUALLY, UM, UH, IN HOUSE, UNDER, UNDER REVIEW. UH, SO THE STANDPOINT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, THE SITUATION NOW HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY AS IT WAS PROPOSED BACK IN 2009. UH, AND THE MAIN THING IS THAT NOW WE HAVE A FULLY CONTROLLED INTERSECTION, SO WE HAVE STOP SIGNS AND HOPEFULLY SIDES. WELL, AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. SO IN PREVIOUS YEARS, UH, CROSS ROADS WITH THE TRAVEL SPEED LIMIT IS 30 MILES AN HOUR. UH, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO SPIT A LITTLE BIT OVER AT ANY POINT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU MEASURED THE FIVE BUSINESS AT BED TIME UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS, YES, THE LIFT WAS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE. AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT PROVED LIKE THAT. UH, WE'LL HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, STOP SIGNS ON OPEN DAYS. SO THEN THE POST COME THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THERE, THEY JUST, THE ZERO MILES PER HOUR, AND THEN FROM ZERO MILES GRADUALLY INCREASE THEIR SPEED AND HIT THE RED. THE DRIVER WILL BE LOCATED. IT WOULD BE SO [01:00:01] LOW THAT IT'S REALLY NOT A CONCERN FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, THAT WE HAVE A SITE DISTANCE CONCERN AT THIS POINT. SO THE SITUATION WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF A STOP SIGN. UH, IF WE DID THE CALCULATIONS FOR SET STEPS EXCEPT INSIDE DISTANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MULTIPLY THAT NUMBER, THOSE NUMBERS, AND CAN BOUNCE A ZERO, ZERO FIVE, THIS WAS REQUIRED. SO, UM, UH, FOR THAT, AND IF THAT COMES IN, BUT, UH, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AND, UH, SITE CONSTRAINTS, LET'S SAY LIKE, UH, UH, PLANTS, UH, WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE FOR THE DRIVEWAY, UH, TO HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME COLUMNS FOR VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING THEN AT BACK WHEN THEY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY MAKE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS TO, TO AVOID THAT. UH, ONE OF THEM COULD BE PERHAPS, UH, REQUIRING THE DRIVER TO BE IN AND OUT. SO THIS WOULD CAUSE DO NOT BACK OUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE HE'S ON THE LINE FOR MR. NEURONO AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE LITTLE HANDS ON THE LITTLE THINGS, BUT, UM, THEN I'LL ASK. AND THAT IS BECAUSE I PULLED UP, UM, THANK YOU TO TORIA CANTU FOR FIRST. UM, SENDING US THE INFORMATION FROM THE 2010 CASE WHEN IT WAS DENIED BY THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION. AND THERE'S A LOT OF MEASUREMENTS, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE AND CALCULATIONS. AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, UM, THIS, UH, REPORT, UM, ALL THAT STAFF SAID ALL THAT WAS ON THE STAFF'S, UM, REPORT FOR THIS PART OF IT WAS THE, UH, THAT THE SUBDIVISION OF THE SITE CREATES A SITE DISTANCE, A SITE DISTANCE ISSUE FOR THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY. HOWEVER, IT WILL BE ALLOWED DUE TO THE SITE BEING ON A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION. ADD THE FOLLOWING NOTE TO THE PLAT. THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE SITE SHALL BE LOCATED IN A POSITION THAT MAXIMIZES THE VISIBILITY OF A VEHICLE TO THE ADJACENT INTERSECTION. AND FOR ME, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE MORE DETAIL TO SHOW EXACTLY THAT YOU, THAT EVERYBODY IS SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK, PUT A DRIVEWAY IN THAT LOCATION BEFORE WE APPROVE A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS DENIED 10 YEARS AGO. AND YES, THERE IS A THREE WAY STOP THERE, BUT I'VE DRIVEN THAT CAUSE I'VE USED THAT AS A CUT THROUGH. AND I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPROVING A SUBDIVISION THAT WORKS, AND I WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER EVANS. AND I MEAN, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. AND, UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE STANFORD. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF STAFF I'VE EVER SAID SOME SUGGESTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE, SO THAT COULD QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD WORK. ONE WAS IN AND OUT. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW, I'M SORRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK. I USUALLY YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOPPING CENTER AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, I MEAN, OKAY, NEVERMIND. NO, THE SECOND ONE IS THE JOINT DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO THIS LAW, I GUESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME TYPE OF ILLEGAL AGREEMENT WHERE YOU WOULD USE THE, THAT WAY TO THAT HALF OF THE LIFE THAT'S GOING TO BE REMAINING OR SOMETHING. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS I I'M SURE THIS, THIS IS A FACTUAL THING, BUT I'VE DRIVEN THAT ROAD THE LAST, WHEN DID THE SIZE, I THOUGHT THE SCIENCE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. SO I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I EVER DROVE THAT IS CONFUSING WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH. AND I, WHEN WERE THE SIGNS OF STALL, I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WHEN DID MICHELLE HAVE A THREE WAY STOP SIGN? SO THOSE ARE JUST THREE QUESTIONS I'VE GOT STAFF MAYBE TO ELABORATE ON. AND ALSO THERE WAS NOTHING SAID ABOUT MY STATEMENT AND I'D LIKE TO NOTIFY HIM. I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY. WHEN I SAY THAT WHEN I TOOK TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CLASSES IN COLLEGE, THEY SAID THAT THE DRIVEWAY ON THE INSIDE OF A CURVE WAS TO BE AVOIDED. AND I DON'T THINK [01:05:01] THAT ANYTHING WAS SAID ABOUT THIS BEING ON THE INSIDE OF IT POTENTIALLY. I MEAN, WE HAVE A BUSY STREET, WE HAVE A MAJOR TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE AND AN INSIDE, I CAN'T, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE THREE STRIKES NEAR OUT OF PHILLY. SO I'D LIKE FOR A SPECIALIST FROM TRANSPORTATION TO ADDRESS MY THREE CONCERNS THAT THANK YOU, MR. NEURON HILL, AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HERE TONIGHT. I MEAN, THIS IS RIDICULOUS. OKAY. I MEAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE STAFF, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE PROCEEDING. THE BEST ANSWER, BUT I CAN, I THINK WE HAVE, WELL, LET'S DECIDE HERE. WE CAN, WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO POSTPONE FROM COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GARY. AND SO I'M SEEING NODDING OF HEADS AND SO TO MOTION TO POSTPONE TO, I WOULD GUESS THE NEXT MEETING AND IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM ATD BE HERE AND, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION. AND I'M SO SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF MR. NEURONO, BUT IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THIS MOTION, THEN WHEN DOES THE SOUTH DIVISION CASE EXPIRE? DO WE HAVE ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THIS COMMISSIONERS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THE APPLICATION WOULD NOT EXPIRE ON AN AGENDA. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANKS. SO JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING IT COMMISSIONER DANCLER, UM, WRESTLING WITH THIS EARLIER TOO, BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN. SO I'M HEARING COMMISSIONER BURWELL, RAMIREZ. I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR COMMISSIONER GARY. UM, JIM DUNCAN IS POINTEDLY MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT SIDE DISTANCE BEING AN ELEMENT OF NOT JUST SPEED, BUT CURVATURE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THINGS RELATED TO THAT GRADE, YOU GOT A 23 FOOT GRADE HERE. UM, AND SO I NOT ASSUME THEY'LL MEET SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AFTER SUBDIVISION, AND I'M REALLY HESITANT TO PROVE THAT SUBDIVISION WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER THEY CAN DO THAT. UH, AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, WHEN THEY CAN, WE REQUIRE A PLATINUM NOTE TO THAT EFFECT. I SPOKE TO IVAN AND HE SUGGESTED WE COULD MODIFY THE PLAT NOTE, UM, TO REFLECT THAT IT HAS TO MEET THE SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. BUT WE, UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW, UH, WHETHER WE NEED THE IN AND OUT, WHETHER WE NEED TO CLEAR THE BRUSH, FRANKLY, I WAS SURPRISED WE HAD FENCING WITHIN A CITY WIDE AWAY. SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE POSTPONEMENT BECAUSE I REALLY THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE LOOK-SEE AT THE, THE, ALL THE SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUES AND SHOULD HAVE PLAT NOTES THAT REFLECT IT. UM, AND WE'LL BE GLAD FOR THE GOOD QUESTIONS HERE BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T COMPROMISE ON THIS. OKAY. OKAY. UM, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK THAT, OH, I SEE, I SEE COMMISSIONER KING, BUT SINCE I WAS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY A MATTER OF SAFETY FOR WHOEVER, HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY IS SUBDIVIDED. AND ALSO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A VARIANCE COMING BEFORE US AND YOU KNOW, LIKE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE. AND IF SOMEBODY COULD JUST GIVE ME A NUMBER AND SHOW ME THAT IT WORKS, I'M SIGNING OFF ON THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER KANE. YES, YES. THIS IS A LARGE LOT HERE. 14,000 SQUARE FEET. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUBDIVIDING IT, BUT I DO SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE LIMITED SITE DISTANCE HERE. AND IF, IF THIS GETS POSTPONED AND COMES BACK AND WHAT I WOULD NEED INFORMATION TO THAT I CAN, CAN RELY ON THAT THIS IS SAFE, YOU KNOW, INGRESS [01:10:01] EGRESS INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, INTO, AND FROM THIS PROPERTY. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NEED TO SEE IS WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO BE FOR THIS? I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE DRIVEWAY OF THE CURRENT HOME THAT'S THERE. SO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THE SUBDIVISION. I'M FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THAT, THAT, THAT THIS MEETING ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS, IF IT'S MEETING ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THERE'S SOME CODE WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS KIND OF SUBDIVISION BEFORE IT COMES TO US. I'M GOING TO TRY TO RELY ON THE LITTLE RACY HANDS. AND IF NOT, IF THERE'S NO RAISING HANDS, OKAY. IT WAS COMMISSIONER SNIP. MY HAND HAS BEEN UP SINCE THE BEGINNING, MY BLUE HAND. SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONDITION LIVES EITHER. I'VE BEEN AS THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW AND DEVELOPMENT CIRCLE, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY TRANSPORTATION STAFF, ASSIGNING IT MEETS ALL CODES AND ORDINANCES. UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE POSITION THAT TRIED TO TELL STAFF HOW TO DO THEIR JOB OR WHAT THEIR JOB IS. IF THEY COME TO US WITH A CASE SAYING IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH ME. UM, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY STAFF ENGINEER. I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE REMOVER IN THIS CASE. I WANT STAFF TO DO THEIR JOB. THEY'VE DONE IT IN THIS CASE. THEY'VE TOLD US THERE'S NO VARIANCES THAT, UM, YOU CAN MAKE THIS SUBDIVISION WORK. THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I SUBDIVISION A OF PROPERTY FOR ONE LOT. AND THE TWO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A DRIVEWAY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE ISSUES. THAT'S SECONDARY. THAT'LL BE ABOUT THAT, LIKE FOR BUILDING PERMIT PHASE. AND SO WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, BUT IF A CONTINUOUS FOR TWO WEEKS, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT COMMISSIONER BURROW RAMIREZ. AND THEN, UM, OUR VICE CHAIR, BALLOU RAMIREZ, SORRY. I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IF STAFF HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THIS IS IN FACT MEETS ALL OUR CODES, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT NO, WE DO HOLD SOME SORT OF BURDEN TO, UM, THE SAFETY AND THE WELLBEING OF RESIDENTS. AND MY HOPE IS THAT THE CODE ALSO REINFORCES THAT. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I REALLY JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THEIR STAMP ON THIS, THAT IT'S A SAFE, UM, A SAFE OF SITE DISTANCE. AND, UM, SO I'M KIND OF TORN. UM, ANYWAY, I KNOW I'M NOT HELPING CAUSE IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, UH, BECAUSE OF MY, I DO BELIEVE IN THE STAFF AND THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, THAT THE SUBJECT SO DIVISION WOULD WORK, BUT, UM, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD GO. AND I KNOW WHAT, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. THAT'S THE STAFF'S JOB IN SITE PLAN REVIEW. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GARY, AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I MEAN, I LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THAT STAFF PROVIDE, BUT ANOTHER CRITICAL COMPONENT THAT WE ALSO, I FEEL I NEED TO CONSIDER IS PUBLIC COMMENT, PUBLIC INPUT. AND IF THERE ARE ANY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT LIVE THERE, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DRIVE THERE. UM, SO I CAN CERTAINLY REVIEW WHATEVER INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY SCAB, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO MY OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT AND TELL US WHAT THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS ARE. THE LIVING CONDITIONS ARE. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT THE ENGINEERS. WE RELY ON THE STAFF TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE IN, DRAG YOU, TO ET CETERA. SO I'M BALANCING THOSE AND I'M NOT GOING TO RUBBER STAMP JUST BECAUSE STEPH SAY ONE THING DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT'S SHOULD BE FINAL. I'VE TALKED TO HIM, IT'S AN OBLIGATION ON MY PART TO ACCEPT AND LISTEN TO ME, NOT NECESSARILY ACCEPT, BUT YOU SEEM TO PUT THE PUBLIC AS TO SAY, OKAY, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, LET ME JUST COMMENT ON. AND THIS HAPPENED BEFORE, BUT WE DO HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES, ESPECIALLY ON SUBDIVISION. WE'RE NOT REALLY GETTING INTO THE ZONING PART BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ESTABLISHED, BUT SCIFI IS A REAL IMPORTANT IT STAFF ON THIS PROJECT, THEY'VE DONE MANY CONCEPTS. OKAY. YOU GUYS REALLY DON'T NEED TO WORRY BECAUSE WE CAN TAKE THE OUTSIDE PLAN. HOW WISH I COULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT RESPONSE. BUT, UH, MR. SMITH, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IF IT MEETS CODES AND ORDINANCES, IF IT DOESN'T NEED A VARIANCE, THAT CERTAINLY MAKES ME INCLINED NOT TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION THAT AT THIS POINT, THE ALSO THE CURRENT COACHING ORDINANCES ARE IN ANY SHAPE CONDITION ARE TO GUIDE THIS CITY. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF IN SUBDIVISION. I THINK THAT WHEN THIS SUBJECTION WAS APPROVED, APPARENTLY ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO AND FOR THE TOPOGRAPHY AND EVERYTHING YOU SEE, IT'S LIKE, IT WAS PRETTY WELL LAID OUT THAT THE REASON THIS LOT WAS LARGE WAS WAS IT A BUTTON, A [01:15:01] THREE WAY INTERSECTION? AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT US UP. I LOST THERE. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS JUST SQUEEZE ANOTHER LOCK. WE USE ANOTHER LOT AND WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT ALL. WE GOT NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TO HOLD ANOTHER. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE SAFETY OF NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE ON THE INSIDE OF A CURVE, WHICH FAST STILL HAS TO FILL ME IS NOT A GOOD PLANNING PRINCIPLE. AND I WILL TELL THEM TO GO BACK TO THEIR TEXTBOOKS BECAUSE IT'S IN THERE. UH IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA. AND AS I SAID EARLIER, HAVE THERE EVER BEEN ANY ACCIDENTS WITH THE INTERSECTION? I MEAN, WHAT'S THE ACCIDENT REPORT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M QUOTING TYPE THING I'D LIKE TO KNOW HAVE THERE NOT BEEN, IF I HADN'T DONE ANY ACCIDENTS, THAT SECTION, THE LAST VENUE, I WILL VOTE FOR IT. OKAY. BUT I KNOW THAT THIS IS A DANGEROUS THING. I HAVE BEEN THERE. I'VE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES. IT IS LIKE CUT THROUGH. AND IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET DOWN, AS FAR AS SPICEWOOD, IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD BECAUSE OF THE CUSTOMER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, I, I THINK IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY TO WATCH OUT FOR THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF OUR, UH, OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THE SUBDIVISION DESIGN. THIS WAS A ONE TIME THING. I DOUBT THERE'S ANY OTHER LOTS IN THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS IS GOING TO FIT THIS BILL. UH, SO IT, IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME ON THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. BUT, UH, BUT IT IS IMPORTANT, JUST NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD PUT POTENTIALLY LIVE IN THIS HOUSE, BUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT NORTHWEST STATES, WE'VE GOT THE, IT'S REALLY THE CORNERSTONE OF THREE SUBDIVISIONS IN THAT AREA. ANYHOW, LET'S, LET'S MOVE THE QUESTION. SAY IF WE GOT THE NUMBER OF BOOKS, GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL. UM, I SEE. YES, YOU CAN STAND FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES. I BELIEVE A T D MAY BE CALLING IN, OKAY, CAN WE TABLE THIS OR, AND COME BACK TO IT. AND WE COULD MAYBE TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL INTERVIEW. UM, REIKI IS CALLING IN, WE'RE GOING TO NEED PLAT NOTES THAT ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUES. SO I'M NOT SURE A POSTPONEMENT ISN'T AN ORDER, SO THEY CAN LOOK AT THIS. AND WITH MORE TIME THEY HAVEN'T HEARD OUR DISCUSSION. I MEAN, I HEARD ANYBODY. I MEAN, I THINK TWO WEEKS IS NOT GONNA HURT ANYBODY ON THIS ISSUE. CAN I SHARE WITH YOU ALL MY SERVICES? JUST, UH, JUST A NOTE ON PLACING RESTRICTIONS ON A, ON A FLAT, YOU CANNOT PLACE RESTRICTIONS ON A FLAT. THE ONLY INFORMATION THAT I NOTE PER REFERENCE IS SOMETHING RELATED TO CODE. SO IF IT IS NOT COORDINATED, YOU CANNOT. THEN I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE HERE IT SAYS, ADD THE FOLLOWING NOTE TO THE PLATTE. AND THEN THE DRIVEWAY TO THE SITE SHALL BE LOCATED IN A POSITION THAT MAXIMIZES THE VISIBILITY OF A VEHICLE TO THE ADJACENT INTERSECTION. AND TO ME, AND THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT I'M REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON AND OBSESSED WITH, BECAUSE THAT IS VAGUE. AND THAT DOESN'T TELL ME, I MEAN, AND THAT DOESN'T TELL ME IF IT'S GOING TO, I MEAN, MAXIMIZES THE VISIBILITY OF THE VEHICLE TO THE ADJACENT INTERSECTION, BUT HOW ABOUT THE VISIBILITY OF THE TRAFFIC COMING INTO THERE AND DOES IT REALLY FEEL SITE REQUIREMENTS? AND WE'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ON OTHER REPORTS. SO I WAS JUST HOPING FOR SOME CONCRETE INFORMATION ON THAT CHECK COMMISSION LIES ON ANDREW. DO YOU HAVE A TD ON THE LINE? AWESOME, SHANE. OKAY. YES. MA'AM. WE NEED TO REPEAT ALL MY QUESTIONS RIGHT HERE. YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING. OKAY. I MEAN, THIS IS RIDICULOUS. ATD WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW [01:20:05] POINT OF PRIVILEGE. I CAN HEAR, WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU AT REALLY HARD TIME. I HAVE A PHONE DIETETIC FRONT OF ME. MA'AM I APOLOGIZE. HELLO. HOW CAN WE CAN HEAR YOU? THAT'S MAKES BETTER. IF YOU COULD ANSWER IT, WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. WE DID NOT REVIEW THE SUBDIVISION AT AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT WAS ON A LEVEL TWO FOR THE ASM P AND THAT'S WHY DSE IS TRYING TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. MR. IVAN, THAT ENVOY IS ON THE LINE. THAT'S EVEN MORE REASON TO PAUSE FOR TWO WEEKS. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO, I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN DISCUSSION HELL RIGHT NOW AND QUESTION HELL SO I, IF THERE'S, UNLESS THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS, UM, THAT CAN'T BE ANSWERED THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CAUSE I'M FAVORITE COMMENT. AND I WOULD JUST, EVEN IF YOU JUST GIVE ME A MEMO, I WOULD BE SO HAPPY. SO, AND LIKE, UM, SO IF, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE A GOAL AROUND POSTPONING IT FOR TWO WEEKS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DANCLER I WANT TO VOTE TO SUPPORT IT. ARE WE ALSO ASKING THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF TO LOOK AT THE SITE DISTANCE ISSUES AND WHETHER WE CAN ADD ANY PLAT NOTES THAT ADDRESS SAFETY. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. BALA WAS SAYING, BUT MR. NEURON, WHO WAS TELLING ME WE CAN ADDRESS SAFETY BY JUST SAYING COMPLY WITH SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AS PER THE TRAFFIC CRITERIA MANUAL. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOLUTIONS HERE. I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION STAFF LOOK AT IT, GIVEN THE GRADE, GIVEN THREE STREETS COME INTO THIS DRIVEWAY. AND I DON'T SEE WHAT OUR THEY'D HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THE EXISTING HOUSE. I MEAN, THIS IS THERE'S SOME ISSUES HERE. UM, I, I THINK THIS IS ALL FOR, WE SHOULD DO OUR VOTE FOR POSTPONEMENT. AND I THINK THEY, THEY KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE HERE AND THERE WILL BE, WE CAN ALSO GIVE THEM THEIR QUESTIONS TOMORROW AND, OR THEY CAN TAKE HIM FROM TONIGHT. AND I KNOW EVERYBODY WILL BE PREPARED TO ANSWER ALL THIS. SO I THINK WE CAN JUST SAY POSTPONE IT FOR TWO WEEKS. WE DON'T NEED TO SPECIFY EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT EYES NEED TO BE DOTTED AND WHAT TZ TO BE CROSSED. SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF POSTPONING IT FOR TWO WEEKS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT'S ME DUNCAN. IT IS UNANIMOUS. SO THAT IS GREAT. AND THEN, UM, SO WE WILL SEE YOU ALL BACK IN TWO WEEKS, UH, YOU TRANSPORTATION FOLK AND, UM, AND THANK YOU TO THE APPLICANT AND ALSO FOR, UM, EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATED IN THIS AND WE WILL SEND YOU OUR QUESTIONS TO TRANSPORTATION EARLY. SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN HANDLE IT SO YOU CAN, UM, GET BACK TO US. SO THANK YOU. AND THEN NEXT IS, IS IT FOR R D ITEMS ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS, C [C. NEW BUSINESS] BUSINESS, AND UNLESS I'M FORGETTING SOMETHING, AND THAT IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT FOR JULY, 2019 THROUGH JUNE, 2020. AND IT WAS SUBMITTED FOR BACKUP. I MEAN, IT WAS. AND DO WE WANT TO PUT IT ON THE DOCUMENT DIRE ON THE DOCUMENT THINGY OR JUST, UM, WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE, IT IS ALL UP TO YOU. I DRAFTED IT, I'M DONE WITH IT. SO, UM, SO HANDS RAISED, UM, I WILL, I SEE A LITTLE HAND RAISE FROM COMMISSIONER KING, HIS CHAIR, YOU KNOW, I READ THROUGH THAT AND I THINK IT'S, IT COVERS EVERYTHING THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT WE DID. AND AS IT RELATES TO THAT REPORT, THAT I DID HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS FOR SOME POTENTIAL GOALS TO, FOR NEXT YEAR. CAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED [01:25:01] TO THINK ABOUT AS OUR GOALS FOR NEXT YEAR. YOU HAD, I THINK YOU HAD ASKED US TO DO THAT. SO, UH, THE GOALS THAT I HAD LIKED IT ACTUALLY I WILL INTERRUPT BECAUSE THEN I'LL SAY, THEN WE WILL GO, HE, ANDREW, WOULD YOU, OR, UH, UH, CITY HALL. AVI, COULD YOU PUT THE, UM, COULD YOU PUT THE REPORT ON PLEASE? AND, UM, GO TO THE, UM, THE THIRD ITEM? I THINK MR. ANDREW IS GETTING THAT BROUGHT UP. IF YOU GIVE US ONE MINUTE, IF OKAY, THANKS. OKAY. WHILE HE'S GETTING THAT UP. OKAY. COMMISSIONER K, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU, CHAIR. UM, I W I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT OR RECOMMEND THAT WE, WE ADD A GOAL TO THE NEXT YEAR TO GET, UH, AN ANNUAL REPORT UPDATE OR METRICS FOR THE DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION PROGRAMS IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT AND PROJECT CONNECT INCOME, RESTRICTED HOUSING PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, BONUS PROGRAMS, DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS, AND CHANGES IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT AND EQUITY PROGRAMS ADMINISTERED BY THE EQUITY OFFICE. AND I CAN, I KNOW I JUST WENT THROUGH THOSE. I JUST WANTED, THAT'S ALL, IT'S JUST ADDING GOALS TO GET THAT INFORMATION THAT OUR COMMISSION WOULD BE PROVIDED WITH THAT INFORMATION SOMETIME DURING THE YEAR. I'M NOT GOING TO BE TOO SPECIFIC ON THAT. SO WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY, BUT BASICALLY IT'S TO TRY TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT, UH, THE DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION PROGRAMS, HOW, HOW THEY'RE DOING AS IT RELATES TO THE EASTERN CRESCENT IN PROJECT CONNECT, HOW THE INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING PROGRAMS ARE, ARE DOING HOW MANY INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING UNITS HAVE BEEN BUILT, YOU KNOW, AND HOW MANY ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT KIND OF INFORMATION. SO WE CAN SEE HOW THOSE PROGRAMS ARE WORKING. UH, AND THEN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, HOW MANY NEW DENSITY BONUS UNITS, AFFORDABLE DENSITY BONUS UNITS WERE PRODUCED AND AT WHAT INCOME LEVELS, AND, AND I, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE TOO SPECIFIC HERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COMMISSION HERE AND, UH, THEN THE DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN KEEP WHATEVER DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES WE CAN SEE. I KNOW THAT USUALLY IT'S A 10 YEAR PERIOD, BUT I BELIEVE OUR DEMOGRAPHER IS ABLE TO GET INFORMATION ON A MORE FREQUENT BASIS THAT MIGHT BE, GIVE US SOME DATA ON THE TRENDS. ARE WE, ARE WE SEEING MORE DIVERSITY OF INCOMES? ARE WE SEEING MORE DIVERSITY IN TERMS OF ETHNICITY AND RACE IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN THE EQUITY PROGRAMS BY THE EQUITY OFFICE, JUST AN UPDATE ON THOSE, HOW THOSE PROGRAMS WORKING. OH, THANK YOU. AND THAT WOULD BE PAGE TWO. AND I HAVE A SUGGESTION COMMISSIONER KING, BECAUSE THAT IS JUST A LOT, AS YOU SAID, IT'S SORT OF A LOT OF DETAIL. AND HOW ABOUT, I'M JUST SAYING UPDATES, YOU ACTUALLY SAID IT, UM, IN, IN THAT, UM, UPDATES ON DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT, IS THAT A GOOD THING TO, IS, IS, WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH THAT WORDING? YES, YES. THAT WOULD BE GOOD, BUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND JUST, COULD WE SAY, COULD WE SAY ON DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION PROGRAMS, COMMA, DISPLACEMENT, MITIGATION PROGRAMS AND EQUITY PROGRAM, JUST MAY I CAN DO THAT. I CAN SAY DEMOGRAPHIC TRENDS, DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION PROGRAMS, AND EQUITY PROGRAMS. I KNOW THAT'S A LOT, BUT YOU SEE WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I WANT TO SEE THE IMPACT. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IN OUR COMMISSION, WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS, WE'VE ASKED FOR UPDATES ON THESE PARTICULAR IN OUR CITY. AND WE, WE, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO SWITCH. I'M GLAD THAT WE DO, BUT I JUST WANT TO TRY TO RAISE THE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE AND PRIORITY FOR THESE, THIS KIND OF INFORMATION. UM, SO LET, LET ME, LET ME SEE IF I CAN DO TH THE WORDS, SO YOU JUST WANT IT TO BE A SHORTER BRIEFER THING. OKAY. I MEAN, IT, YOU CAN KNOW YOU CAN BE AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE. IT'S JUST FOR, I WOULD SAY, JUST MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERY, UM, BUDDY, GRAB THE BALL AGAIN. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE IT REAL SIMPLE UPDATE ON THE CITY OF AUSTIN DISPLACEMENT, MITIGATION PROGRAMS, INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, BONUS PROGRAMS AND EQUITY PROGRAMS. OKAY. SO THAT IS PRETTY SIMPLE. SO IT'S DISPLACEMENT MITIGATION, [01:30:05] INCOME, RESTRICTED HOUSING PROGRAMS, HOUSING PROGRAMS, DENSITY BONUS PROGRAMS AND EQUITY PROGRAMS. THAT'S IT JUST TO LEAVE IT LIKE THAT, THE DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, YOU KNOW, UH, I GUESS WE COULD HAVE A SEPARATE GOAL ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TOO. AND I REALIZED THAT WE CAN'T REALLY, IT'S HARD TO LOOK THAT, GET THAT KIND OF DATA ON A, LIKE AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT IS JUST NOT THAT MUCH READILY AVAILABLE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO I COULD DEAL WITH HAVING THAT ON A LESS FREQUENT BASIS, MAYBE FIVE YEARS, BUT ANY WAY THAT WE COULD DO THAT, IT WAS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. BUT ANYWAY, SO AN UPDATE ON DISPLACEMENT, MITIGATION, INCOME, RESTRICTED HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, BONUS, AND EQUITY PROGRAMS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE AND I'M GOING TO WORK WITH COMMISSIONER DUNKIN BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING ON THAT WHOLE ICON THING. I MISSED IT THIS LAST TIME I FOUND THE BUTTON, TELL ME IT IS, OH, IT IS ON. IT IS ON. OKAY, GOOD FOLLOW UP. WELL, FIRST ONE IS, AND I DON'T WANT TO, I'M NOT SAYING THIS NEGATIVELY, BUT WHO IS OUR DEMOGRAPHER RIGHT NOW? DO WE HAVE ONE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A QUESTION. I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT, FRESH TO UNDERSTAND ON A CONTINUAL BASIS ON MANY OF THESE THINGS FOR FIVE YEARS, I KNOW I HAVE, UH, INTERESTED IN AND FRUSTRATED BY NOT REALLY KNOWING THAT, UH, HOW SUCCESSFUL OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS INCENTIVE PROGRAMS WITH THEM. UH, EARLY I ASKED HIM, EVERYBODY JUST LOOKED AT ME LIKE A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE KEPT UP. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT ON AN ANNUAL OR FIVE YEARS. I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ON A CONTINUING MONTHLY BASIS, BECAUSE IT'S SO IMPORTANT. UH, AND IT CAN BE DONE. I'M HAVING IT. IT'S, IT'S A MONITORING. IT'S KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT PERCENT, UH, INCOME ARE BENEFITING. I MEAN, ARE WE DOING IT ALL AT THE 80%, WHICH IS 60%? WHAT ABOUT SOME PHOTONS, 30%, THIS TYPE OF DATA NOT BEING JUST DONE FOR ZAP. OKAY. IT SHOULD BE DONE FOR EVERYBODY. AND I THINK THAT IF WE HAD THAT FACT INFORMATION NOW, AND I THINK WE ARE CALLING, MAKING PROGRESS, I DON'T WANT TO SOUND NEGATIVE ALL THE TIME ON THIS, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD HELP ME THIS COMMISSION AND THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO SEE SOME NUMBERS. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW IT, LIKE I SAID, BY PERCENTAGE OUT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT BY DISTRICT ARE WE REALLY MEETING THE STANDARD OF TRYING TO SPREAD, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY? WHERE IS IT ALL HAPPENING? IS IT ALL HAPPENING IN EASTERN BRESLIN OR IS IT ALL HAPPENING IN THE SUBURBS? I MEAN, WE HAVE NO IDEA. AND YET WE CA WE GET COMMISSION, UH, THIS COMMISSION AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION GET, UH, A PROJECT EVERY DAY. EVERY, EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING AND WE MAKE A DECISION BASED UPON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT THERE. IT'S ALMOST LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A OCEAN FRONT PROPERTY IN ARIZONA TO SAY, OKAY, OKAY. BUT IT'S AFFORDABLE, BUT GIVE IT TO YOU. I'M NOT TO KNOW WHERE IT'S MADE GIVEN AND HOW EFFECTIVE IT'S BEEN. AND I DON'T MEAN TO RANT ON THIS, BUT THIS WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FACING THE CITY TODAY. AND WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO MAKE INTELLIGENT DECISIONS. SO ANYHOW, THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS. I AGREE WITH YOU. I SPENT A LONG TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ONLINE. I CONTINUING EASY TO UNDERSTAND. WHAT'S NOT JUST ME, BUT ANYBODY. UH, YOU KNOW, I CAN LOOK UP THERE AND SEE HOW PR HOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS. I'LL TELL YOU IF WE HAD THAT BE A LOT HAPPIER IN THIS COMMUNITY. I THINK I LOVE THE PEOPLE. I LOVE MORE REALLY PROGRESS. LIKE I SAID, I'M SLOWLY THAT THIS IS A SUBJECT THAT I HAVE BEEN RANTING ON FOR FIVE YEARS. AND I KNOW I'M TIRED, RANDY. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND CAN WE DESCRIBE GARY? I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, ACTUALLY, WE NEEDED THIS INFORMATION LIKE YESTERDAY. UM, I CAN SEE THAT THERE'S SOME EFFORTS RIGHT NOW. I'M ALSO VERY, VERY CURIOUS AS TO WHERE THE CONCENTRATION OF THE PERFORMANCE. WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE CURRENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE AT AND WHERE THE NEED WANTS TO BE ADDED, UM, AND SEE THAT COMPARISON HOW, AND SPECIFICALLY FOR EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT, UM, DEFINITELY, AND SOMETIMES THEY EVEN CONDENSED AREA. SO [01:35:01] FOR EXAMPLE, DISTRICT TWO IS QUIET BIG, BUT, UM, A PORTION OF OUR DISTRICT TOO, IS IN THE BOTTOM PART OF THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE EASTERN CRESCENT. SO, UM, WE NEED A MORE DETAILED BREAKDOWN OF ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. AND SOME OF THESE MONIES ARE TIED TO OUR BOND DOLLARS, OUR AFFORDABLE, UM, BOND MONIES. AND SO WE NEED, WE SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO THE, TO THE COMMUNITY, TO THE PUBLIC. AND SO HOW THESE MONIES ARE BEING USED. I THINK WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE A TRACK RECORD AS TO WHO'S GETTING THESE MONIES TO IMPLEMENT THESE PROGRAMS AND TO SEE HOW THOSE, UM, TO SEE THAT TRACK RECORD OF THOSE THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, GETTING USING THOSE DOLLARS TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THANK YOU. AND THEN COMMISSIONER BENKLER, DID YOU HAVE YOUR MA A LITTLE HAND UP? OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY, UM, COMMISSIONER KING CHAIR. THANK YOU. UH, I, I, I REALLY AGREE WITH EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD OF, YOU KNOW, TONIGHT ON THIS TOPIC HERE AND, AND I'M NOT SURE, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO MAYBE IS PUT THIS IN AS A, AS A HIGH, AS A GOAL. AND THEN AS WE GET THESE UPDATES SCHEDULED ON OUR AGENDA, THEN WHEN WE, WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET THEM SKID, WE COULD FIT AND SAY, WE WANT THAT INFORMATION BROKEN DOWN AT THESE LEVELS AND BY DISTRICT, BUT TRYING TO INCORPORATE ALL THAT DETAIL INTO THIS GOAL, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO THAT TONIGHT, BUT SO ONE STRATEGY MIGHT BE JUST TO HAVE THIS HIGH LEVEL GOAL, BUT WHEN WE THEN DO GO AND SCHEDULE THE UPDATES ON THESE DIFFERENT AREAS, THAT'S WHEN WE CAN SAY, WHEN YOU PROVIDE THAT UPDATE, WE WOULD LIKE IT AT THE DISTRICT LEVEL, AT THE, YOU KNOW, AS, AS HAS BEEN STATED HERE AT THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE HAS IT BEEN CONCENTRATED IN A CERTAIN AREA AT THE DIFFERENT INCOME LEVELS, SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND, YOU KNOW, FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. OKAY. AND COMMISSIONER, OKAY. ACTUALLY, I THINK EVERYBODY'S, SO WHAT WORDING WOULD YOU LIKE, OR JUST YOUR ORIGINAL WORDING COMMISSIONER OR GARY, DID YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT OR, UM, SO WHY DON'T WE JUST GO WITH THE WORDING THAT YOU PRESENTED AND WE'LL JUST GET AN WE'LL VOTE. AND DO YOU WANT TO REPEAT YOUR WORDING COMMISSIONER KING? YES, I WILL SHARE. AND I'M TRYING TO GET, I'M TRYING TO BE REAL GENERAL AND I NET RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S A GOAL, BUT WE CAN GIVE YOU GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC AS WE, AS WE ACTUALLY SCHEDULE THESE UPDATES. BUT BASICALLY IT'S AN UPDATE ON CITY OF AUSTIN, DISPLACEMENT, MITIGATION PROGRAMS, INCOME, RESTRICTED HOUSING PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, BONUS PROGRAMS AND EQUITY PROGRAMS. AND I CONSTRUCT THE WORK PROGRAMS AND LEAVE IT ONLY AT THE VERY END. SO IT JUST SAYS UPDATE ON CITY OF BOSTON, DISPLACEMENT, MITIGATION, COMMON INCOME, RESTRICTED HOUSING, COMMA, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, BONUS, AND EQUITY PROGRAMS. I GOTCHA. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADD THAT TO THE ANNUAL REPORT AND THEN TO ALSO APPROVE THE ANNUAL REPORT? IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE ANNUAL REPORT COMMISSIONER KING? WELL, THAT WAS A MOTION. OKAY. I'LL MAKE THAT IN THE FORM OF IMMERSION. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND COMMISSIONER GARY, ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND IF NOT, UH, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. OKAY. AND THAT IS DONE. THAT ANNUAL REPORT IS ACTUALLY ANNUAL INTERNAL REVIEW AND REPORT. AND SO GOOD. WE'RE DONE WITH THAT WITH, UM, AN ADDITION FROM COMMISSIONER KING AND NOW D [D1. Discussion and possible action regarding matters related to any proposed revisions to the Land Development Code including but not limited to staff updates, presentations and scheduling. Sponsors: Chair Kiolbassa, Commissioner Duncan] ONE ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING PROPOSED REVISIONS ON THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? NOPE. AND I DON'T AND, OR ANYBODY ELSE? I DON'T SEE ANY THAT. OKAY. THEN D [D2. Discussion and possible action regarding postponement policy and postponement history. Sponsors: Commissioners Evans and Denkler] TWO DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSTPONEMENT POLICY AND POSTPONEMENT HISTORY. UM, AND THAT WAS A SPONSORS COMMISSIONER EVANS AND DANCLER, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE ALSO, UH, CITY STAFF POSSIBLY. I WON'T I'M ON THE PHONE WAITING VERY PATIENTLY TO ALSO, I KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS, SO I DON'T WANT TO CUT OFF ANYBODY FIRST, BUT, UM, CITY STAFF DID LISTEN TO OUR DISCUSSION AND ANDREW, WAS THERE ANYBODY THERE WHO WANTED TO ADDRESS IT? JOE COMMISSION LIAISON, ANDREA VIRGO. SO ONE [01:40:01] OF THE, UM, ONE OF THE WAY THIS CAME ABOUT IS THAT, UM, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO, UM, HAVE BETTER INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO POSTPONEMENTS. SO WHAT STAFF WILL BEGIN DOING IS WHEN YOU RECEIVE A POSTPONEMENT MEMO, THE POSTPONEMENT MEMO WILL INCLUDE THE POSTWOMAN HISTORY. THANK YOU. AND CAN I ADD ONE OTHER THING TO ADD? AND THAT WOULD BE, UM, EVEN IF IT'S BEEN ON OUR AGENDA, MAYBE I'M QUIBBLING AND THEN THERE'S BEEN A NOTIFICATION ERROR. AND THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE I KNEW THAT WE HAD, I HAD REVIEWED THE CASE THAT WE JUST POSTPONED. I KNEW THAT WE HAD, I HAD GONE OVER MY MATERIAL AND EVERYTHING, AND I COULDN'T FIND IT. AND I THOUGHT WE MUST HAVE POSTPONED IT. AND I REALIZED IT. AND THEN I WENT THROUGH THE MINUTES AND FOUND IT A NOTIFICATION ERROR. SO IF IT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA, EVA, AND THAT IS RARE, BUT IF, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SO COULD WE ALSO ADD NOTE IF IT'S BEEN POSTPONED BECAUSE OF A NOTIFICATION ERROR, JUST FOR EASE FOR SOME OF US WHO LIKE TO GO THROUGH THE BACKUP MATERIAL AND MAYBE HAVE MADE ANNOTATIONS NOTED. OKAY, GREAT. OKAY. COMMISSIONER AND ARE GOING TO GO WITH THE HANDS, BUT I'LL FIRST GO WITH COMMISSIONER DUNCAN THAT GO COMMISSIONER A COMMISSIONER. I LIKED G RESPONSE WITH ANDREW, JUST STATELESS. IF WE COULD MAKE IT REALLY SIMPLE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE ON THE FRONT PAGE AND NOT ONLY THE NUMBER. AND I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS I GET LOST ON SOME OF MY BACKUP MATERIALS WHEN IT'S A HUNDRED PAGES. I JUST NEED TO SEE THIS. ALSO LET US KNOW WHETHER IT'S UP AND IT CAN BE DONE WITH JUST A, A LETTER APPLICANT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STAFF, OR COMMISSION WHO ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THAT POSTPONEMENT. CAUSE I THINK THAT'S SORT OF IMPORTANT TO PATTY, BUT I LIKE TO SUGGEST, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE MAKING IT AND A LITTLE BOX ON THE FRONT. IT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I DON'T NEED A LOT OF VERBIAGE DOWN THERE. ISN'T THE THING, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE RIGHT UP FRONT IS WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. YES. I, I THINK THAT WAS ENOUGH. I SEE YOUR, YOU RAISE YOUR HAND, BUT, UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T SEE ANY LITTLE HANDS ON THE SCREEN. OKAY, GOOD. THEN ARE WE TAKING CARE? HAVE WE TAKEN CARE OF, OR, AND DO WE EVEN NEED A MOTION ON THIS? I MEAN THAT JUST AS PROTOCOL, IT'S GOING TO BE PROTOCOL FOR THE WAY STAFF DOES ITS REPORTS AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY NICE. UM, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES. UM, I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THIS TODAY. I'VE SPENT A COUPLE HOURS RESEARCHING IT. I THINK THE STAFF HAS COME UP WITH A GREAT SOLUTION, UM, THAT, UH, BECAUSE OUR RULES STATE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TO HAVE A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST IN OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BY THE MONDAY BEFORE WHAT I'M SEEING, INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, AS THE APPLICANTS ARE GETTING THEM IN THE DAY, WE'RE JUST REALLY MAKING A LOT OF WORK FOR ANDREW HAVING TO ADD THIS TO THE BACKUP PLAN, ADD IT TO THE WEBSITE, AND HE'S DONE A BEAUTIFUL JOB WITH IT, BUT WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE DILIGENT, BIT ABOUT PUSHING OUR APPLICANTS, BUT OUR STAFF ISN'T ALWAYS TELLING US WHY THEY ARE POSTPONING ITEMS. THEY NEED TO PROVIDE THE REASON THAT WE ASK THE APPLICANTS MB AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO, WE NEED MORE TIME TO REVIEW OR WE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS MORE TIME TO REVIEW OR WHATEVER. UM, BUT I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT SOLUTION AND YOU KNOW, MY COMPLIMENTS TO, UM, MR. RIVERA, CAUSE AFTER LOOKING FOR ALL THE POSTPONEMENTS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, I WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, HE'S GOT A LOT TO KEEP UP WITH AND HE'S DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT'S ALL ON HER. I KNOW BACKUP COMMISSIONER EVANS. THANK YOU CHAIR. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. I THINK IT WILL CERTAINLY HELP US ALL OUT OUT. AND I'D LIKE TO REVISIT A LITTLE WORKING GROUP THAT WE HAD. WE HAD A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS DONE QUITE A WHILE BACK TO THE REVISION OF THE LANGUAGE IN THE, IN OUR RULES AND PROCEDURES. AND THERE WERE REALLY TWO, TWO POINTS. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER KING, YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THAT ALSO. CORRECT. AND, UH, BUT WE CAME UP WITH THE, UH, THE IDEA OF A POSTPONEMENT REQUEST BEING IN WRITING TO A COMMISSION LATE LIAISON BY NOON OF THE FRIDAY BEFORE SO THAT THERE WERE CERTAINLY ADEQUATE TIME TO GET THAT IN PROCESS. [01:45:01] AND THEN THE LAST SENTENCE WE ADDED A GENERAL PRACTICE IS WITH REASON TO ALLOW FOR OUR BONES FROM, BECAUSE WE HAD GONE THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE WE WERE GETTING A NUMBER OF POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS JUST ON GENERAL. I WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ONE JUST SO WE CAN SLOW THIS PROCESS DOWN OR THEY MAY BE SOMETHING VALID, BUT WE'RE NOT KNOWING, NEVER TOLD WHAT IT IS. AND IN DOING A LITTLE BIT ON THIS FURTHER, UH, CAME ACROSS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I'D LIKE TO THROW OUT TO HER, SEE IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN, IN PURSUING. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT HAS, HAS DONE. AND THIS SOMEWHAT COMES ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN 10 OF US SINCE OCTOBER, WE'VE GOT A, A SEAT THAT HADN'T BEEN FILLED CENTRAL. ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS LEFT AND THE BOARD HAS SOMETHING AS SOME LANGUAGE LIKE THIS. IT SAYS IF A MEMBER IS ABSENT AND THE VOTE OF THAT MEMBER ADDING TO THE NUMBER OF VOTING FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD EQUAL THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF AFFIRMATIVE VOTES REQUIRED TO APPROVE A REQUEST. AND THE APPLICANT IS AGREEABLE. THEN THE MOTION SHALL BE REGARDED AS A VOTE TO POSTPONE ACTION AND CONTINUED CONSIDERATION OF THE MATTER TO THE NEXT MEETING. THAT KIND OF ACTION FOR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE WOULD PREVENT US FROM SENDING SOMETHING TO THE COUNCIL WITHOUT A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME ABOUT DUE TO A FIREFIGHTER BOAT, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A FULL COMMISSION. SO, UM, I'M SURE I SEE SOME HEADS SHAKING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER OUT THERE. THERE'S NOT, UH, MAYBE NOT SOME AGREEMENT ON IT, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE LIKE TO SEND THINGS TO THE COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATION. I KNOW WHEN WE DON'T, I GET A CALL FROM MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, A PLAN LAND USE REPRESENTATIVE, OR LANDIA STAFF MEMBER TO DISCUSS THE CASE AND ASK WHAT THE HISTORY WAS. SO ANY INTEREST IN DISCUSSING THAT FURTHER, IF I UNDERSTOOD I'M GETTING BACKGROUND, OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IF WE GET TO A FIVE, FIVE, RATHER THAN SENDING IT FORWARD, GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY OF SAY A TWO WEEK OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER DISCUSS IT, TO MAYBE BE ABLE TO SHIFT THAT TO A SIXTH FLOOR. OKAY. BECAUSE I REALLY SENDING A FIVE, FIVE, I SAID, CITY COUNCILS, LIKE KISSING YOUR SISTER. OKAY. WE DON'T, HE SAYS I GOT A PRETTY SISTER. I'LL PICK IT UP NEXT TIME. ANYHOW, I AGREED WITH, UH, WITH FELLOW COMMISSIONER EVANS. UH, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER GOOD REASON FOR US TO CONSIDER, UH, ALMOST AN AUTOMATIC POSTPONE THE AFRICA. SO, NO, I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO AGREE WITH THIS OR NOT ON THAT. I THINK IT WAS FIVE, FIVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, BUT WE DON'T, BUT WE WOULD ONLY DO IT ONCE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PROLONG IT. IF IT'S A FIVE, FIVE SOLID KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE INVESTMENT FAIR TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. OKAY. COMMISSIONER KING, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS, THIS, YOU KNOW, TAKING, TAKING AN ACTION ON THIS, THIS PROPOSAL TONIGHT, I THINK I NEED MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT. UH, BUT, BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL OF TRYING TO GET A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL AND ON EVERY CASE THAT WE HIT, THAT WE SEND TO THEM, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH, I AGREE WITH THAT. I JUST, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, CAUSE I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS POLICY OF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, BUT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF IT GETS POSTPONED BECAUSE OF FIVE AND FIVE, THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THE NEXT MEETING, THERE MIGHT BE SOMEONE ELSE'S ABSENT THAT DAY, YOU KNOW, AND NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE FIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT FIVE TO FIVE, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST, IT KINDA CONCERNS ME A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE GOAL SHOULD BE THAT WE, THAT, THAT THE COMMITTEE, WE HAVE A FULL COMMISSION AT EVERY MEETING. AND I KNOW THAT THAT IS OUR GOAL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IT IS OUR GOAL. UH, AND, AND THAT'S REALLY THE BEST WAY TO GET OUR WORK DONE IS TO HAVE A FULL COMMISSION. AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE HAVE A VACANCY, THAT'S NOT ANY OF THE COMMISSIONER MEMBERS HERE. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT OUR FAULT. THAT'S THE GUY, THAT'S THE COUNCIL. SO IF THAT'S THE REASON WHY THIS ISSUE IS COMING UP, THEN THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO SOLVE THAT ISSUE, UH, ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A VACANCY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FIVE TO FIVE VOTES POTENTIALLY. UH, AND SO I JUST WANT TO POINT TO KIND OF GET THAT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. I JUST NEED MORE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS AND, [01:50:01] UH, YOU KNOW, BUT I'D BE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COMMISSIONER EVANS ON THIS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS POSTPONEMENT POLICY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, OKAY. I THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE POSTED FOR, UH, CREATING A WORKING GROUP BECAUSE THAT WORKING GROUP ON THE POSTPONEMENT POLICY NO LONGER IS MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WE CAN POST FOR THE NEXT AGENDA. I'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN HERE TOO, BECAUSE I WAS ALSO ON THAT COMMITTEE, THE CHALLENGES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ON POSTPONEMENT POLICY, THEN I UNDERSTOOD THAT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN'S FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THE CASE HE WAS REFERENCING ABOUT POSTPONEMENTS HAS BEEN POSTPONED FOR SIX MONTHS WORK, THE POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS. AND I THINK I'M GOING TO JUST CALL THE STAFF AND MANAGEMENT AND SEE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME KIND OF INTERVENTION TO GET THAT ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION TO US IN A TIMELY WAY. BUT THE CHALLENGE WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE ON THIS, UH, IS, UH, ROLES REQUIRE A TWO THIRDS AND THE SEMANTICS ARE REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND WHAT IS A REASONABLE REASON TO ONE PERSON IS NOT ALWAYS A REASONABLE REASON FOR ANOTHER PERSON. UH, WE HAD A APP UP ONE CASE WHERE A NEIGHBORHOOD CAME IN AND SAID, WELL, WE THOUGHT WE WERE ENTITLED TO POSTPONEMENT. WE WANTED A POSTPONEMENT. SO WE HAD MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE CASE. AND WE HAD THE DISCRETION, EVEN IN OUR OWN RULES TO NOT AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY HAS ALSO USE THAT CARD UP. SO I HAVE A MEETING OUT OF TOWN, WHATEVER WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHAT ANYONE IS GOING TO TELL US IS TRUE OR NOT. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND IT IN MORE THAN THE AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS ISSUE. AND I WORRY THAT A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS REALLY MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR PARTICIPATION RATHER THAN EASIER PARTICIPATION. SO IF THERE'S A WORKING COMMITTEE, SINCE I DRAFTED THESE ORIGINAL ROLES AND HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SECOND ROUND OF REDRAFTING IN 2017 AND SAT THROUGH THE LAST MEETING, I'D LIKE TO BE ON IT, BUT I'M REAL SKEPTICAL ABOUT WHAT WE PROPOSE LAST TIME. DAN, I AM SKEPTICAL ABOUT USING RULES THAT WORK FOR A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS A QUASI JUDICIAL BODY THAT APPEALS GO TO DISTRICT COURT, NOT TO COUNCIL. THEY HAVE A HIGHER VOTING THRESHOLD. NOW THESE NOT THE SAME, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT BODIES. SO IF WE REALLY WANT TO SPEND THE TIME ON THIS, AND I'M NOT SURE THE RUBY SIX VOTES FOR THIS, THEN I'M HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE, BUT I'LL COME. I'M GOING TO BE COMING IN WITH A BIT OF A JOHN TO STAY ON IT. WELL, IT ONLY TAKES TWO PEOPLE TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR A WORKING GROUP TO FORM A WORKING GROUP. SO IF THERE'S TWO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, UM, GO AHEAD. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S AND JUST FOR THE NEXT AGENDA TO JUST HAVE AN ITEM TO FORM A WORKING GROUP ON POSTPONEMENT POLICY, IS ANYBODY WILLING TO DO THAT? AND IF NOT, IT CAN ALWAYS COME BACK. OKAY. THERE'S COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER SMITH DISAPPEARED, COMMISSIONER SMITH. I'M SORRY. AND I ACTUALLY SEE SOME LITTLE HANDS KEVIN'S IS ALSO RAISING HIS HAND. YEAH. OH HELL. I'M HAVING, I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF DIS WHY DON'T WE GO WITH COMMISSIONER EVANS AND I AM JUST NOT SEEING YOU. AND ALSO MY LITTLE, MY LITTLE THING DISAPPEARED, BUT NOW IT'S BACK COMMISSIONER EVANS, THEN COMMISSIONER GEARY. NO DAMN COMMISSIONER SMITH. AND THEN SEE, OH, COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER GARY. EVERYBODY'S DISAPPEARING FROM VIEW. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION OR COMMENT. SO I'M PUTTING DOWN ON MY NOTES THAT IT'S COMMISSIONER EVANS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH THAT ARE ASKING THAT THIS ITEM BE PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. AND I AM SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BUT PEOPLE ARE DISAPPEARING AND SOUNDS ARE DISAPPEARING. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AT MY END, IT'S CALLED A TWEAKING OR TEMPORARY OUTAGE. NOT LONG ENOUGH TO COMPLETELY SHUT YOU DOWN, BUT IT MAKES YOU READ, READ, APPEAR. BUT LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION [01:55:01] BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AGAIN, ON THE WORKING GROUP, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, BUT WE DID THIS THE LAST TIME WE CAME UP WITH SOME LANGUAGE AND THEN IT JUST SORT OF DIED AFTER WE CAME UP WITH IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, WE WANT BOTH SIDES TO BE ABLE TO BE TREATED BARELY ON THE APP. BUT THE THING THAT, UH, WHEN WE, WHEN WE FIRST APPROACHED THIS, WHAT WE FELT LIKE WAS HAPPENING, OR AT LEAST SOME OF US FELT LIKE WAS HAPPENING IS THIS POSTPONEMENT ISSUE WAS BEING DROPPED THE DAY OF THE MEETING. AND WITHOUT ANY REAL, UH, SUBSTANCE SUBSTANCE BEHIND IT, IT'S JUST TO SAY WE WANT IT POSTPONED. AND I THINK IN SOME OF THOSE CASES, WE FELT LIKE IT WAS JUST ACTION TO, TO DELAY ANYTHING HAPPENING ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE. AND WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S EXPENSIVE FOR ALL THE PARTIES INVOLVED AND THE CITY TO, TO HAVE TO GO BACK IN AND RE PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO GET IT BACK BEFORE US. SO IF THERE'S NOT A FEELING AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS, THAT WE'RE REALLY GONNA TRY TO DO SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL TO, TO ADDRESS THIS AND, AND MAINTAIN SOME REASON, THEN I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE'S ANY, ANYTHING TO GAIN BY HAVING A WORKING GROUP. AND WE COME BACK TO THE SAME STALEMATE THAT WE HIT THE LAST TIME, JUST OPEN FOR THOUGHT ON THAT. OKAY. I THINK I'M GOING TO BE USING THE EYE, THE HAND ICONS BECAUSE I AM JUST NOT SEE, UM, MY IT'S DEFINITELY GOING OUT. SO COMMISSIONER GARY, I SEE YOUR LITTLE HAND ICON ON YES. MY HANDS BEEN UP FOR AWHILE. UM, SO JUST WHEN IT ASKS A QUESTION, BECAUSE I THINK I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY EARLIER THAT THE APPLICANTS CAN ASK FOR THE POSTPONEMENT BP UP ASKED IT'S THE NOTICE IS SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE THE DAY BEFORE BY NOON. SO SOME PEOPLE ARE BEING ALLOWED TO PHONE THE DAY UP. THEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE EQUALLY APPLIED THROUGHOUT, NOT JUST FOR CERTAIN PARTIES. SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHAT ASSETS THEY'RE, IF THE EQUITABLE, THE RULES ARE EQUITABLE IN THAT THEY BE FOLLOWED AT ALL TIMES SEEN AS, SO THAT IT'S EQUAL. WELL, DAMMIT, I, SORRY, GO AHEAD. UH, COMMISSIONER DANCLER, UM, WHAT, I'M THE RULES AND I'M GOING TO READ THEM DIRECTLY FROM A RULES. YOU HAVE TO RE CHANGE THE RULES TO REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THE STAFF HAD TO HAVE THEIR POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS FAN BY MOON. ON THE MONDAY BEFORE I SPENT SEVERAL HOURS TODAY, TYPING UP ALL THE MEETINGS WE HAD IN 2020 AND 2019. AND I WAS STRUCK BY HOW MANY APPLICANTS WERE GETTING THEIR POSTPONEMENT REQUESTS IN THE DAY OF, UM, NOT THE DAY BEFORE. AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP, IT'S NOT TO BE ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER. IT'S JUST, I'M SAYING EVEN IF WE WERE TO MOVE IT TO FRIDAY, I THINK WE WOULD STILL HAVE PEOPLE SHOWING UP SAYING I SUDDENLY GOT CALLED AWAY. MY GRANDMOTHER WAS ILL BY SOMEONE ELSE ON A, WE IT'S REAL DIFFICULT TO DRAFT THINGS THAT PEOPLE WILL FOLLOW. IT'S KIND OF LIKE THOSE STOP SIGNS. WHY BY WESTOVER CLUB, I WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT THAT SITE TODAY AND YEAH, THEY WILL ROLL IN LIFE. I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT I'M GONNA GET TO ZERO AND THE SIGHT DISTANCE IS GOING TO WORK. SO THAT'S THE POINT I'M MAKING. WE CAN SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THESE RULES AND ISN'T REALLY GONNA CHANGE A WHOLE LOT. IN FACT, WHAT I SHOT IS MOSTLY THE WORK QUEST FOR POSTPONEMENT OR COMING FROM THE APPLICANTS. UH, THE SECOND CATEGORY WAS STAFF. I'LL SHARE THE SPREADSHEET, I'LL SEND IT TO ANDREW. UM, AND HE, THIS IS JUST FOR 20, 20 AND 2019, AND I'LL HAPPILY PASS IT ON, BUT I'M HUGE. A PROBLEM IS SOME OF THIS HAS BEEN MADE OUT TO BE, WE ALMOST ALWAYS POSTPONE PADS BECAUSE STAFF NEEDS MORE THAN A YEAR TO CUSTOMIZE DEVELOP CUSTOMIZED ZONING. AND THE LETTER CASES WHERE WE HAVE HAD APPLICANTS REQUESTING POSTPONEMENTS IS TO WORK IT OUT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THEY HAVE A CONTROVERSIAL CASE AND THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH STEP WITH THE ENVIRONMENT, ET CETERA. UM, [02:00:01] MY POINT BEING, I DON'T SEE US STOPPING, NOT SUPPORTING POSTPONEMENTS WHEN PEOPLE COME IN. I JUST THINK THAT WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT TWO THIRDS OF US WILL SUPPORT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND THEN COMMISSIONER EVANS. I FORGOT TO TURN OFF MY HAND. I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. BACK IN THOSE, WHO'S GOING TO PASS THEN BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD, IF, IF NOBODY'S GOING TO FOLLOW ANY RULES, WELL THEN WHY DO WE HAVE THEM? I MEAN, IF, IF WE'VE GOT A PROCEDURE FOR POSTPONEMENT AND WE'RE JUST GONNA LET IT GO HELTER SKELTER, DEPENDING UPON WHAT WE HEAR AT THE TIME WHEN WE HEAR IT WELL, THEN LET'S JUST GET RID OF THE WHOLE WHOLE DEAL AND, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW THAT ALONG. WHY DON'T WE JUST TAKE DOWN ALL THE STOP SIGNS THAT PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO STOP AT THEM. I MEAN, EITHER HAVE ROOTS ROOMS AT WORK AND YOU TRY TO GET, KEEP THEM INTACT, OR YOU JUST DON'T HAVE ANY RULES AT ALL BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE RULES AND YOU DON'T APPLY THEM CONSISTENTLY, THEN YOU'RE NOT BEING FAIR TO EVERYBODY. SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO DO? WE JUST, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMISSION, WE NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT. AND IF WE JUST WANT TO SAY, HEY, COME UP HERE AND TELL US ANY STORY YOU WANT. WE'LL PROBABLY GO ALONG WITH IT. SO WITH IT, LET'S JUST DO THAT. AND LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD GIVES OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T COME UP WITH YOUR REQUEST AS PER THE PROCEDURES FOR WHICH ARE WELL KNOWN. THEY'RE PUBLISHED. YOU CAN FIND THEM, I'M SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THAT HAPPENS A COUPLE OF TIMES, THEN PEOPLE WILL START PAYING ATTENTION TO THE RULES AT THAT INTERSECTION WITH THE ROLLING STOP SIGNS. AND THEY BEGAN TO STOP PEOPLE FOR ABOUT TWO WEEKS. ALL EVENTUALLY FOLKS WILL FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, STOB DOES MEAN STOP. SO, YEP. YOU KNOW, I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH COMMISSIONER EVANS, WE DO NEED SOME RULES AND, AND I, AND, AND WE NEED TO ENFORCE THEM CONSISTENTLY. AND SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS YOU AND I AGREED, I APPRECIATE IT. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR LEAVING COMMISSIONER DECKER OUT OF OUR WORKING GROUPS. HE WAS PART OF OUR WORKING GROUP, OUR PREVIOUS WORKING GROUP. AND, UH, BUT WHAT, WHAT IF WE DID THIS? WHAT IF WE, INSTEAD OF CREATING ANOTHER WORKING GROUP, WE, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, ASK COMMISSIONER EVANS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH TO COME BACK WITH SOME, BRING SOME RECORD AND KEEP THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, THE SAME AGENDA ITEM ON FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. AND LAST TIME TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO OUR, UM, TO OUR, UH, OUR, UH, POSTPONEMENT POLICY AND, AND PROVIDE THAT THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO US AS, AS, AS ACCORDING TO OUR POLICY, WHICH WOULD BE THE NOON BY NOON THE DAY BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING. THAT WAY WE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM BEFORE THE MEETING. CAUSE I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THE WORK. WE DID DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT. WE DID SPEND A SIGNIFICANT TIME ON THAT AND NOTHING REALLY CAME IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS BEING, UM, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTED. SO I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TIME ON ANOTHER WORK GROUP. I DON'T WANT TO WASTE ANY OF OUR COMMISSIONER'S TIME ON A WORK GROUP LIKE THAT. UH, SO WOULD THAT BE APPROPRIATE TO JUST ASK THEM TO BREAK RECOMMENDATIONS AND BRING THEM BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING AND SEND THEM TO US BY NOON ON MONDAY SO WE COULD REVIEW THEM AND POSSIBLY THEN BE, AND POSSIBLY TAKE ACTION AT OUR NEXT MEETING. OKAY. COMMISSIONER EVANS, YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE HAND UP, I'M SORRY. I'M PULLING THE COMMISSIONER BACK IN. I FORGOT TO TAKE IT. NOW. LET ME REMIND PEOPLE THAT IT WOULD BE A CHANGE TO OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS. AND SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, YES, COMMISSIONER. IT REQUIRES PUTTING HIM IN ADVANCE AND VOTING HIM ON THE MEETING AFTER, SO THEY COULD BE PROPOSED NEXT TIME, BUT THEY COULD NEED THEM BE VOTED ON UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING, AFTER THAT AND THE RULES AND THE REQUIREMENT IS A TWO THIRDS VOTE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO I MEAN, WE CAN START THE PROCESS. THAT SOUNDS LIKE, I MEAN, UNLESS THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO BE ON A WORKING GROUP, BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO PRECLUDE STARTING A WORKING GROUP, IF THERE IS SOMEBODY WHO WISHES TO BE ON IT. AND SO IF DO I SEE ANYBODY WHO SAYS, OH, I WANT TO BE ON A POSTPONEMENT WORKING GROUP BECAUSE THEN WE SHOULD JUST POST FOR THAT. AND WE SHOULD JUST HAVE BE INCLUSIVE IN IT AND PUT PEOPLE IN THAT. SO [02:05:01] IF NOT, THEN WE CAN JUST BRING THIS BACK AS A DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING POSTPONEMENT POLICY. AND THE SPONSORS WOULD BE COMMISSIONER EVANS AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, AND ACTUALLY ANYBODY COULD SUBMIT PAPERS ANYWAY, IT'S CUT. ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO SUBMIT ON ANY AGENDA ITEMS SO WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY. DOES THAT SUIT EVERYBODY THEN? OKAY. THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM FROM COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONERS, EVANS AND SMITH. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. TAKEN CARE OF AND IS NOT THE NEXT ZAP MEETING. THERE WOULD BE THE FOLLOWING RULES. CORRECT. AND [E. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS] THEN ON, UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, IS THERE, ARE THERE ANY COMMISSIONER EVANS JUST LIKE THE ASH DOWN RANGE FOR A BRIEFING FOR US 2020, IMAGINE AUSTIN ANNUAL REPORT. THAT'S AN ANDREW, THAT'S A CHARTER COMMISSION COMMISSIONER WAS ON ANDREW. THAT'S HOW I GREAT TIMING, BECAUSE WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT FUTURE DATES. UM, SO IF THE COMMISSION HAS A DATE IN MIND, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THAT. AND THEN, UM, ONE OTHER, UM, DATE TO KEEP IN MIND IS THE ONION CREEK BRIEFING. SO IF WE CAN PLAY WITH THOSE TWO TO COME UP WITH DATES. OKAY. YEAH. THAT, UH, THAT SOUNDS GOOD BECAUSE YES, THE ONION CREEK BRIEFING IS GOING TO BE, UM, IN OCTOBER, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN DECIDE WHICH MONTH, I MEAN, WHICH WEEK THE FIRST MEETING OR THE SECOND MEETING IS MY UNDERSTANDING. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY, GREAT. SO, OKAY. BRIEFING ON. IMAGINE AUSTIN. THAT SOUNDS GOOD TOO. AND, UM, ANDREW WE'LL COORDINATE ANYTHING. ANYTHING ELSE FROM, UH, ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION? ANYTHING AT ALL? OKAY. THEN, [F. COMMITTEE REPORTS & WORKING GROUPS] UM, COMMITTEE REPORTS AND WORKING GROUPS, CODES AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE. IS THERE A REPORT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE? IS THERE A REPORT, A SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE? IS THERE A REPORT? OKAY. THIS IS COMMISSIONER KING. UH, ARE WE DONE? WE ARE MEETING THAT WAS SCHEDULED LAST WEEK WAS CANCELED BECAUSE OF A LACK OF A QUORUM. AND WE'RE TRYING TO RESCHEDULE ANOTHER MEETING HERE IN THE NEXT, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. GREAT COMMISSIONER DANCLER UM, YEAH, IN COATSIN ORDINANCES MET ON AUGUST 17TH AND HE PROVED A, UM, CODE AMENDMENT TO SUBDIVISION THAT WOULD ALLOW A PARCEL OF LAND THAT IS OBTAINED A MINIMUM LOT WITH VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO SATISFY A MINIMUM FRONTAGE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FOR PLANTING REQUIREMENTS UNDER LEGAL WATTS. I KNOW IT'S VERY TECHNICAL, BUT, UM, I DON'T, I THINK I WAS THE ONLY ZAP COMMISSIONER THERE, BUT IT, IT PASSED, UM, WHEN THE BRIEFING WAS QUITE EXCELLENT. BUT UM, IF YOU GET A BOARD OF COMMISSION ADJUSTMENT BOARD AND ADJUSTMENT VARIANCE ON THE MINIMUM FRONTAGE, UM, YOU CAN, UH, CREATE A LEGAL LOT AND NOT BE REQUIRED TO DO, UH, TO CREATE A PLATTING EXCEPTION. OKAY. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. I'LL JUST HAMMER QUESTIONS ON IT. I'M STILL LEARNING. I GET THIS LITTLE BLACK AND WHITE TARGET IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEBODY SAID LIKE COMMISSIONER BRUCE. AND IT SAYS A PRIVATE CHAT. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE HAVING PRIVATE CHATS? ARE, IS THAT WHAT, WHAT, WHAT IS THE PRIVATE CHAT FEATURE? I WOULD HAVE NO IDEA. OKAY. THAT WAS A STUPID QUESTION, BUT I'M LEARNING ALL THIS AND I JUST THINK I'VE GOT THE RADIO TONIGHT. SO THE OTHER QUESTION IS MR. DUNKIN, MAY I TELL YOU THAT, THAT, THAT WHAT THAT CHAT IS, YOU CLICK ON IT, THEN YOU CAN CHAT PERSONALLY WITH THAT PERSON. YOU CAN SEND THEM A CHAT MESSAGE JUST TO THAT PERSON AND THEY CAN SEND [02:10:01] YOU A CHAT MESSAGE BACK. THAT'S WHAT THAT CHAT BOX IS ABOUT. ANDREW STEP IN ANDREW FEATURE SHOULD NOT BE UTILIZED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S COMING UP NOW MY SECOND QUESTION, AND MAYBE THERE'S A JEW. I LOOK AT THE BOXES OF ALL MY COLLEAGUES UP THERE. SOME OF YOU ARE FUZZIER THAN OTHERS. OKAY. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE MATH THAT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT THE CAMERA ON YOUR EQUIPMENT? THAT IS JUST ME? YOU'RE A TINY BIT FUZZY. UM, BUT SO, YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A MATTER OF THE CAMERA STUPID QUESTION, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT I NEED TO DO TO MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER. AND THE ONLY WAY TO IMPROVE IT IS TO BUY ANOTHER IS TO BUY A CAMERA FOR YOUR COMPUTER. SO ANY OTHER, UM, THOSE ARE THE COMMITTEE REPORTS, SO WE ARE DONE. SO WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THE WORD, THE MAJOR . * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.