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THEY HAVE IT AT SIX.

[CALL TO ORDER]

O'CLOCK WELCOME, JANET, ARE YOU OKAY WITH ME CALLING US TO ORDER? I TOLD YOU I HAD NIGHTMARES ABOUT THIS BEING MY FIRST MEETING JACKSON.

YES.

COMMISSIONER NUNEZ.

WELCOME.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, THREE, A ONE.

I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN CONFIRMATION FROM, UH, MS. JACKSON, IF WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD.

SO STAFF LINE IS STILL MUTED IF SOMEONE'S TALKING ON THAT TO ME.

THANK YOU GUYS.

THIS IS JANET.

HI THERE YOU ARE NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

SHALL WE GO AHEAD AND GET A STELLA? GO AHEAD AND CALL US TO ORDER.

UM, I THINK EVERYONE THAT, UM, I SEE PETE IS ON WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE COMMISSIONER .

SO SHE'S ALREADY ON, UH, WE'RE JUST MISSING, UH, COMMISSIONER WEBBER, WHO I BELIEVE WAS GOING TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE QUORUM.

SO IF YOU'RE OKAY, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND MOVE.

OH, YES, I'M OKAY WITH IT.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, SO GOOD AFTERNOON.

CALLING THE SPECIALLY CALLED PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION MEETING TODAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2020 3:00 PM.

CENTRAL VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING.

THANK YOU ALL FOR JOINING US.

MMM.

WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IF ANYONE IS ONLINE.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU KNOW, PUBLIC THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE, RIGHT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'M MOVING ON TO OUR

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

NEXT APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

WE HAVE TWO SETS OF MINUTES TO APPROVE ONE FROM THE SPECIALLY CALLED MEETING ON MAY 18TH.

SECOND FROM THE REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 3RD.

IS THERE ANY, LET'S GO ONE BY ONE.

IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OR FURTHER COMMENTS ON THE MAY 18TH MINUTES, JANET, IF YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING I DID NOT UNDERSTAND YOU.

I COMMISSIONED A WEBER.

IF THERE'S NO COMMENTS OR NO, THEN THE, WE DON'T NEED A VERBAL CONFIRMATION ON MINUTES.

WE WILL JUST ASSUME THOSE MINUTES ARE PASSED.

IS THERE ANY COMMENT CORRECTION, ANYTHING ON THE AUGUST 3RD MEETING? YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GOOD TO GO.

THOSE MINUTES MAY 18TH AND AUGUST 3RD ARE APPROVED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

CRUISE IN THROUGH THREE OH FIVE AND WE'RE ALREADY TO OUR SECOND, OUR SECOND

[2. Introductions of Dr. Jonathan Kringen, Austin Police Department, Chief Data Officer and Cristina Tangredi, Public Safety Commission Liaison, Office of Police Oversight]

ITEM.

I HOPE THAT DOESN'T MEAN OUR, OUR FOLKS ARE LATE.

UM, I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, INTRODUCE THIS NEXT INTRODUCTION.

WE HAVE BOTH JONATHAN CHRISTIAN AND I APOLOGIZE IF I SAY YOUR NAME WRONG, WHO IS THE CHIEF DATA OFFICER FROM THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT? IT'S A BRAND NEW ROLE, NEW HIRE.

WE WANTED TO BRING HIM ON AND INTRODUCE HIM TO US AS WELL AS CHRISTINA , WHO IS FROM THE OPO.

SO SHE WILL BE OUR OFFICIAL, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, LIAISON FROM THE OPO.

SO, UH, DR.

ARE YOU ONLINE? I AM.

OKAY.

WONDERFUL.

WELCOME.

FEEL FREE.

YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME ACTUALLY FREE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF.

WELL, YEAH, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE.

I'M A THING.

AND I, UH, STARTED IN THIS ROLE, UH, STARTING, UH,

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JULY THE 20TH.

UM, I'M ACTUALLY JUST NOW GETTING INTO AUSTIN AND GETTING SET UP IN THE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AND, UH, I WAS FAMILIARITY PROFESSOR OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE, UH, LEE HENRY IN COLLEGE AND THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAVEN.

UM, AND ACTUALLY I'M GUARDING DECK THE NEXT SIDE OF THE, UH, WONDERFUL.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FOR DR.

WHILE WE HAVE HIM ON LINE COMMISSIONER WEATHER.

OKAY, THERE YOU GO.

YEAH.

I WAS JUST HOPING THAT, UM, YOU CAN DESCRIBE WHAT HELPS DOING AND WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT IT AT APD.

YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR THE QUESTION.

YEAH.

I WAS JUST ASKING YOU TO DESCRIBE YOUR ROLE AT ATD AND HOW YOUR ROLE IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT CAME BEFORE.

SURE.

UH, LET'S SEE.

SO MY ROLE AT APD IS THAT I OVERSEE THE RECORDS DIVISION, THE RESEARCH AND PLANNING UNIT AND THE CRIME ANALYSIS UNIT.

UM, THERE WAS A PREVIOUSLY A POSITION THERE THAT WAS FILLED BY RON MCKAY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, UM, WHO PERFORM THAT IN A MANAGER CAPACITY.

UM, I'M ENGAGED IN, UH, AS A CONTENT EXPERT, UM, AND LIKELY, UM, ORIENTING IT MORE TOWARD WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE.

UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, DATA, SERIOUS DATA LIMITATIONS, UM, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S COLLECTED, WHAT CAN BE ANALYZED, WHAT CAN BE REPORTED.

UM, LIKEWISE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH, UM, THINGS BEING ANALYZED, SORT OF INCORRECTLY.

SO METHODOLOGICALLY FLAWED.

SO WE'RE HAVING SOME ISSUES, UH, WHEN WE'RE SENDING OUT DATA AND HAVING ANALYZE.

SO I HOPE TO WORK, TO OVERCOME SOME OF THOSE CHALLENGES, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DATA THAT WE ARE PROVIDING ARE, UM, BEING USED IN A WAY THAT'S, UH, BEING USED IN A WAY THAT'S MOST DETRIMENT OR IN TRUTH.

AND SO, UM, I'M WORKING ON, UH, ASPECTS OF INTEGRATING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RESEARCH AND PLANNING UNIT WITH CONTENT EXPERTS, UH, UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS, UM, AND OTHER EXPERTS AND PRACTITIONERS, UM, TO SORT OF ENHANCE THE CAPACITY OF THE UNIT, UM, SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO TRY TO ANSWER MORE COMPLICATED QUESTIONS THAT ARE MORE RELEVANT TO THE CURRENT ISSUES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

COMMISSIONER WEBER.

DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, OF COURSE, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR MORE ABOUT WHAT, IN YOUR OPINION, YOU ARE 16 AND WHAT YOUR, UM, WHAT PAST PROBLEMS IS THAT YOU'RE IN THE PROVINA AND I'M SORRY.

CAUSE OF THE CUTTING OUT.

I DIDN'T GET THE LAST PART OF THE QUESTION.

SO YOU, YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, DATA NOT BEING PROPERLY ANALYZED IN THE PAST, AND SO I'M HOPING YOU CAN EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT IT IS EXACTLY.

YOU'RE IMPROVING.

SURE.

UH, I HAVE, UH, I'LL CLARIFY THAT I HAVE NO, UH, I HAVE NO INFORMATION ABOUT ANYTHING ANALYZE INTERNALLY.

THAT'S INCORRECT.

I HAVE BEEN, UM, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO DISCUSSIONS, UM, ABOUT REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED, WHERE THERE ARE DISPARITIES, UM, BECAUSE WE COMPLY WITH THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT REQUESTS.

UH, WE DELIVER, UH, DATA TO A WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES.

UM, THE DATA THEMSELVES ARE INHERENTLY COMPLICATED AND THE REQUESTS DON'T REQUIRE AN INDICATION OF HOW THEY INTEND TO BE USED.

SO YOU COULD ASK FOR A PARTICULAR PIECE OF INFORMATION AND YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES BECAUSE IT'S INFORMATION THAT RELATES TO A SEQUENCE OF EVENTS.

AND SO INFORMATION THAT'S PUT INTO THE SYSTEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EVENT BY INDICATE WHAT AN ADDITIONAL ASSUMPTION IS ABOUT AN ACTIVITY, A MORE, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S PUT IN LATER, AS SOON AS LIKELY GOING TO BE WHAT AN OFFICER'S CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT ACTIVITY WAS ACTUALLY FILED AS IF IT WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS AN ARREST THAT WOULD MAYBE BE INDICATION OF WHAT THAT ARREST ACTUALLY WAS.

SO THE BETA INHERENTLY COMPLICATED.

AND SO WE ARE IN A CHALLENGED POSITION IN THAT AS WE DISSEMINATE DATA WITHOUT, UM, AN ABILITY TO ENGAGE WITH, UM, WITH, UH, INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ANALYZING THE DATA THAT WERE THERE, STRUGGLES, AND THIS IS, THIS IS A NATIONAL TREND.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST HAPPENING IN AN AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT.

UM, WE STRUGGLE WITH, UH, THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE DATA, ONCE THEY GO OUT CAN BE ANALYZED.

UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY NECESSARILY ANSWERING

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THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING ASKED.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE THAT I CAN POINT TO, UM, I THINK ABOUT TWO MEETINGS AGO, I THINK DH OR AHD ANALYTICS DID A PRESENTATION TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, UM, WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING AT AUSTIN CALLED FOR SERVICE DATA.

UM, AND IN DOING SO WELL, IT'S NOT INVALID PER SE.

UM, THEY COERCED THE DATA INTO UCR FORMAT, WHICH IS GENERALLY A STANDARD PRACTICE FOR COMPARING BETWEEN CITIES WITH THREE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, THAT CHANGE IN THE DATA MEANT THAT WHAT THEY REPORTING COULDN'T ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE BEING ASKED AND, UM, I NOTED IN THAT PARTICULAR NEEDED A LIMITED APPEARANCE.

SO IT GIVEN THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN IT, I, UH, FOLLOWED UP WITH THE ORGANIZATION, UH, AHD ANALYTICS TO DISCUSS WHAT THEY HAD DONE, THE WAY IT WAS INTERPRETED, WHAT THE CONCERNS WERE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN I WORKED WITH, UH, INNOVATIONS SAY TO PERFORM SOME ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS TO FILL IN THE BLANKS AT A MINIMUM, UM, AND PERHAPS ADDRESS SOME OF THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS ABOUT WHAT HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN PRESENTED.

AND WE PRESENTED THAT BACK TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE IN THE LAST MEETING.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC.

UM, I NOT NECESSARILY AS WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION, BUT DELIVERING DATA OUT TO PUBLIC FOR ANALYSIS IS, IS INHERENTLY WROUGHT WITH, UH, A VARIETY OF POTENTIAL ISSUES.

AND SO PART OF WHAT I'M DOING IS WORKING IN THAT CAPACITY TO TRY TO ADDRESS THEM.

GREAT.

UM, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

YEAH.

UM, I HAD A QUESTION.

SO YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT COERCING DATA OUT OF, UM, INFORMATION.

IS IT REALLY A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT A DIFFERENT WAY TO READ EXISTING DATA SETS AND CONNECT THEM? ARE THERE TECHNICAL DEFICIENCIES IN THE SYSTEM THAT ARE MAKING IT, UM, OR IS IT BOTH? IT'S BOTH AND THERE'S AN INTERPLAY AND, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST AS A MATTER OF CLARITY, WHEN I TALK ABOUT CORSI DATA, WHAT'S A TERM THAT'S USED IN DATA MANAGEMENT.

UM, AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY SAYING IS A LOT OF IT COMES DOWN TO HOW DO YOU ACCOUNT THINGS.

THEN WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT I'M A SOCIAL SCIENTIST.

I COLLECT DATA BASED UPON MY DESIGN FOR COLLECTING DATA TO ANSWER SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

AND I, AND I BELIEVE FUNDAMENTALLY THE MOST DIFFICULT QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.

HE'S GENERALLY HAVE TO TURN TO ORIGINAL DATA COLLECTION.

THE DATA COLLECTION AND DESIGN HAS TO BE ORIENTED TOWARDS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PRIMARILY HOUSES ADMINISTRATIVE DATA.

AND SO THE DATA SYSTEMS THEMSELVES ARE BUILT, UM, TO FACILITATE POPULATIONS, NOT NECESSARILY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, UM, ANYONE WORKING IN DATA ANALYSIS OR POLICING DATA STRUGGLED ON THIS KIND OF ISSUE THAT AS WE PULL THOSE DATA OUT AND WE BEGIN TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS WITH THEM, WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE LIMITATIONS OF HOW THE DATA WERE COLLECTED.

AND SO, UM, THE PROCESS THAT SUPPORTS THE DATA COLLECTION HAS LIMITATIONS FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES, AND THAT'S AN AREA THAT MOST PEOPLE PAY VERY LITTLE ATTENTION TO.

UM, ON THE OTHER HAND, THERE ARE TECHNICAL ISSUES IN TERMS OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO COLLECT BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE COLLECTED THAT OUR CURRENT DATA SYSTEMS CAN'T SUPPORT.

AND SO THERE'S A VERY IMPORTANT KIND OF TRIANGLE HERE WHERE WE'RE LINKING THE PROCESS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, SAY IN A POLICE CITIZEN INTERACTION, THE DATA, THE PROCESS THAT LEADS TO THE DATA THAT ARE COLLECTED THE WAY THOSE ARE WAREHOUSE AND THE CURRENT DATA SYSTEMS AND THE WAY THEY'RE EXTRACTED AND ANALYZED.

AND SO THOSE THREE INDEPENDENT PARTS, THERE'S AN INTERPLAY THERE THAT LOOKS A, YOU GENERALLY A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CONFUSION WHEN WE LOOK AT SIMPLIFIED RESULTS, THE REPORT.

GREAT.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MR. NUNEZ, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

HI.

YEAH, I HAD A QUESTION.

IF THERE IS YOU DISCUSSED THE DIFFICULTIES OF EXPLAINING TRANSLATING DATA TO THE PUBLIC, UM, DO YOU HAVE LIKE A PUBLIC RELATIONS OR COMMUNICATIONS PLAN OR SOME KIND OF PUBLIC WEBSITE, UM, PLAN IN THE WORKS, JUST TO BE SURE THAT THERE IS THAT LINK BETWEEN THIS DATA AND THE PUBLIC SO THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THIS DATA TO INFORMED POLICY.

YEAH.

AND I THINK THAT, AND I'LL, I'LL START BY SAYING, I THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY IS ABSOLUTELY

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FUNDAMENTAL AND I THINK THAT TRANSPARENCY INVOLVES, UM, ACCESS TO DATA.

UM, I THINK THAT THERE, I THINK THAT THERE, UH, THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FUNCTION.

I THINK THERE ARE SORT OF, IF I, THE WAY I HEARD IT, THERE ARE SORT OF TWO QUESTIONS IN THERE.

ONE IS KIND OF ABOUT HOW ARE YOU DISSEMINATING THINGS, UM, AND THE OTHER IS ABOUT HOW YOU ALLOW THEM TO ACCESS.

UM, AND I THINK THAT MY UNDERSTANDING AT THIS POINT THAT, UH, THERE'S A TRANSITION IN THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, UH, POSITION AT THE DEPARTMENT.

UM, I BELIEVE SOMEONE NEW IS COMING ON BOARD.

UM, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ACTIVELY ENGAGING THEM, UM, TO ADDRESS THE FIRST, HOW ARE, HOW IS THE DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REPORTS THAT THE DEPARTMENT GENERATES.

I LOVE YOU COME OUT OF RESEARCH AND PLANNING OUT TO GET MODEL FROM THAT CRIME ANALYSIS, UM, THAT ARE SORT OF STANDARDIZED REPORTS.

UM, THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR TO THE THINGS THAT, UH, OPO IS PRODUCING.

AND, UM, HOW, HOW IS, HOW ARE THE REPORTS BEING DONE? HOW IS IT ACTUALLY BEING PRESENTED? UM, BUT NOW A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF DASHBOARDING INFORMATION.

SO I'M WORKING WITH, UH, THE OFFICER'S INNOVATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT REGARD.

UM, SO THAT THESE THINGS ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE NECESSARILY ANNUALLY REPORTED OR MAYBE BY ANYWAY, UM, THINGS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO STAKEHOLDERS ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS, BOTH AT A SUMMARY LEVEL AND ALSO AT A DATA LEVEL.

OBVIOUSLY THE CITY RUNS THE OPEN DATA PORTAL.

UM, BUT THEY'RE LIKE IN THEIR CONTEXT TO ACCENT, THE HELP MENU, THAT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD SOME ISSUES LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CLEAR.

ALRIGHT.

DID YOU, WAS THAT, UH, WAS THAT ALL DR.

KENYON? THAT LAST QUESTION I WASN'T TRYING TO CATCH YOU OFF.

OKAY.

UH, THE BEATS CAME IN, BUT I, UH, VERY GOOD, UH, COMMISSIONER HOPKINS, LIKE, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I WASN'T SURE IF THAT IT WAS A HANDBRAKE.

NOPE.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR.

CREAGAN.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING UPDATES FROM YOU ON YOUR, YOUR PLAN AND HOW YOU'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ROLE WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN SEEING YOUR WORK AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME.

ALRIGHT, THANKS SO MUCH.

VERY EXCITING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND CHRISTINA 10, GRETTY FROM THE OPO.

ARE YOU ONLINE? YEAH.

HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY.

WE SURE CAN WELCOME.

AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, LET US KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF.

AND SO WE'LL SEE IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

GO AHEAD.

SURE.

WELL, MY NAME IS CHRISTINA AND I'M A PROGRAM SPECIALIST WITH THE OFFICE OF POLICE OVERSIGHT.

SO I'VE WORKED A LOT ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SIDE AND DOING SOME SPECIAL PROJECTS WITHIN THE OFFICE.

I'M ALSO SERVING AS THE COMMISSION LIAISON FOR OPO AND SIMPLISTIC.

THEY'RE WORKING ON THE COMMUNITY POLICE REVIEW COMMISSION, WHICH WAS A COMMISSION MADE UP OF VOLUNTEERS APPOINTED BY THE CITY MANAGER, AND THAT WILL OFFICIALLY LAUNCHED TOMORROW.

UM, AND JUST SOME GENERAL OFFICE UPDATES ON OUR BEHALF THAT THINGS ARE WORKING ON, WE'RE WORKING ON EXPANDING OUR POLICY AND RESEARCH I'M AT THE OFFICE OR WORKING ON OUR 2019 RACIAL PROFILING REPORT AS WELL AS OUR 2019 OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING REPORTS.

UM, YEAH, I AM SO EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU ALL AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, SO YEAH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME GREAT.

UM, JUST A QUICK QUESTION FROM ME, UM, THESE TWO, THE 2019 REPORTS FOR RACIAL PROFILING AND OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS.

DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE AROUND THOSE WHEN YOU EXPECT TO PUBLISH THIS? UM, WE'RE STILL IN THE WORKS OF THAT.

SO UP UNTIL FEBRUARY, UM, OUR TIMELINE TRYING TO PROJECT RIGHT NOW, SO I CAN GIVE YOU A CLEAR DEADLINE ONCE WE HAVE MORE INFORMATION, RIGHT.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRISTINA GOING TWICE? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, CHRISTINA, FOR JOINING US AND WE LOOK FORWARD FOR, UH, TO YOUR UPDATES, UM, MOVING FORWARD.

THANKS AGAIN.

UH, THANKS A LOT.

WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME AND JAY THERE AFTER YOUR MEETING.

THANK YOU.

UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO ADDRESS, UH, THE CALL TO ORDER, WHICH I CONVENIENTLY FORGOT WAS, UM, WE HAVE BEEN, UM, HAVING REPORTING FROM EACH OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY ORGANIZATIONS ON, UH, THEIR

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QUARTERLY REPORTS.

I SPOKE WITH COMMISSIONER HEALTH AND LUCK AND, UH, STARTING NEXT MONTH IN OCTOBER, WE WILL BE SEPARATING EACH ORGANIZATION OUT INTO ONE REPORT OF THEIR OWN.

SO INSTEAD OF HAVING EACH ORGANIZATION BREAK INTO FIVE MINUTE CHUNKS TO GO THROUGH THE PREVIOUS QUARTERS DATA, WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT THEM OUT.

UM, STARTING IN OCTOBER WITH EACH ORGANIZATION, PRESENTING THEIR ENTIRE QUARTER OF, UM, OF DATA.

SO WE CAN TAKE A DEEPER DIVE AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS.

SO I'M GOING TO WORK WITH EACH ONE OF THE CHIEFS.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THEM DRAW STRAWS TO SEE WHO GETS TO GO NEXT MONTH TO GO FIRST.

AND, UH, WE'LL HAVE A FULL 15 MINUTES TO REVIEW THE DATA.

SO THIS IS ALL THE, ALL THE DATA THAT WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING ON A MONTHLY BASIS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO IT BY QUARTER AND PER ORGANIZATION TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THAT DATA AND ASK A QUESTION.

SO EXPECT THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH.

ALRIGHT, I'M STILL RUNNING AHEAD.

VERY EXCITED FOR US RIGHT NOW.

SO, UH, NEXT IS,

[3. Shady Hollow MUD, Acquisition of Fire Station 46 (currently owned by Shady Hollow MUD)/ service agreement and RCA scheduled to go before Council on October 1, 2020]

UH, CHIEF BUYER WHO WILL BE TALKING TO US ABOUT THE SHADY HOLLOW MUD, AND I BELIEVE YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR US, AND THIS IS GREAT.

THIS IS AN ITEM THAT REQUIRES ACTION.

WE, UM, TWO BARS WILL ASK US FOR OUR SUPPORT ON THIS PER COUNCIL.

SO TO FIRE.

YEAH, CHIEF COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

UM, A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS THERE TO HELP US TO SHARE A STORY OF AN EXISTING AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD IN PLACE, UH, INVOLVING FIRE STATION 46, WHICH IS ON ROADIE LANE DOWN SOUTH IS ACTUALLY IN, UM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AIDS TERRITORY, BUT ALSO SERVES FIVE AS WELL.

SO THOSE TWO DIFFERENT DISTRICTS ARE SERVED BY THIS FIRE STATION AND THERE WAS SOME STATE LEGISLATURE THAT CAME IN AND DISRUPTED THE AGREEMENT.

AND THIS IS THE SOLUTION THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN FOR YOU ON HOW TO RECTIFY ALL THAT.

AND WHAT WE HAVE FOR SPEAKERS ARE, UH, JAMEELA SIERRE WHO'S FROM OUR, UM, UH, DIRECTOR OVER OUR RESEARCH DATA ANALYTICS SECTION.

SO SHE CAN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE VALUE AND BENEFIT OF WHAT THAT STATION PROVIDES TO OUR CITIZENS.

AND ALSO ROSS CROW, WHO IS WITH CITY LEGAL, A LAWYER WHO'S BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO SORT OUT HOW TO SOLVE THE DILEMMA THAT THAT STATE LEGISLATURE CREATED.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO YIELD THE FLOOR TO THEM TO PROVIDE YOU THE INFORMATION IS SUPPOSEDLY GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS JAMEELA ED AND I AM THE MANAGER OF THE RESEARCH AND DATA ANALYTICS DIVISION, UM, AND ALSO THE OFFICE OF THE FIRE CHIEF AT THE AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UM, AS SHE FIRES MENTIONED TODAY, MYSELF AND CITY ATTORNEY ROCK CRO WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE PROPOSED IN OUR LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE SHADY HOLLOW MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT.

UM, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STOP ME IF I'M GOING TOO QUICKLY, OR IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED FURTHER CLARIFICATION DURING THE PRESENTATION.

UM, ONE THING I DO WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT AT THIS TIME, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PRESENT THE FINAL ILA AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT'S STILL CURRENTLY UNDER LEGAL REVIEW WITH THESE SHADY HOLLOW MUD ATTORNEY.

SO THIS PRESENTATION IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE INNER LOCAL AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

SO IF WE, UM, IS THIS SLIDE SHOW UP? OKAY.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS.

UM, JANET, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT PUT THAT UP FOR US OR DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR OWN, UM, UM, IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO IT ON TIME, SO LET'S, UM, HOPEFULLY IT'LL COME UP IN JUST A MOMENT HERE IN THE MEANTIME IS ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN PRESENTATION THEY'VE RECEIVED AND KIND OF THEM AS WELL, THAT MIGHT HELP US TO MOVE ALONG WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR IT TO BRING UP THE POWERPOINT.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT OPEN ONE MOMENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.

IF Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT THE SECOND SLIDE THAT IS TITLED SHADY HOLLOW MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICTS.

SO TO PROVIDE SOME BACKGROUND, SHADY HOLLOW WAS CREATED IN 1980, AND IT'S MADE UP OF APPROXIMATELY 1600 HOMES.

THIS AREA IS SLATED TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF AUSTIN

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IN DECEMBER OF 2020.

SO BACK IN JUNE, 2008, THE CITY OF AUSTIN APPROVED THESE SHADY HOLLOW MUD BOND TO BUILD A FIRE EMS STATION ON SOUTH BRODY LANE.

THE CITY AUTHORIZE THE LEASE TO THE STATION TO EMERGENCY SERVICE DISTRICT FIVE WHILE ALSO RESERVING THE RIGHT FOR AFE TO PARTIALLY OCCUPY THE STATION UNTIL 2020, AFTER 2020, WE WOULD FULLY OCCUPY THE STATION ACADEMIC STATION.

SO WHEN THE STATION WAS BUILT, IT WAS DESIGNED TO MEET AFC STANDARDS AND WAS INITIALLY BUILT TO HOUSE BOTH ESD AND AFC SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH ADDITIONAL OFFICE SPACE AS WELL.

IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE IT TITLED SHADY HALLIBURTON IS FULL UTILITY DISTRICT CONTINUES.

SO TO PROVIDE SOME GEOGRAPHIC CONTEXT, SHADY HOLLOW IS AN ISLAND SURROUNDED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN, FULL PURPOSE IN SOUTH OFFICE.

SO IF YOU CAN TELL, UM, IN YOUR SLIDE, THE SPANISH COLOR IS AUTHENTICAL PURPOSE AND WITHIN THAT IS SHADY HOLLOW MUD AND THE AUSTIN TWO MILE EXTRA TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION.

SO STATION 46 IS LOCATED JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

SO REALLY THE INTENT IS THE UNIT THAT IS RUNNING ON A STATION 46, NOT ONLY PROVIDES SERVICE TO SHADY HOLLOW AND THE OPTION TWO MILE ETJ.

IT ALSO PROVIDES SERVICE TO THE BOSTON FULL PURPOSE AREA AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT SLIDE.

SO IN 2016, THE CITY OF AUSTIN ACCELERATED THE FULL OCCUPATION CLAUSE AND THE RENT FOR THE STATION WAS $50,000 WITH THE LEASE SET TO EXPIRE DECEMBER, 2020 WHEN THE CITY OF AUSTIN PANICS THE AREA.

SO ASB MOVED IN OUR WILDFIRE DIVISION INTO THIS STATION AS WELL SINCE RUNNING A UNIT ADAM STATION 46, AFC HAS SHOWN SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN RESPONSE TIMES TO NOT ONLY THE SHADY HOLLOW MUD AREA, BUT ALSO TO THE FULL PURPOSE AREA THAT'S AROUND SHADY HOLLOW.

AND THEN A SLIDE WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.

ALSO IN 2016, ESC FIVE MOVED OUT OF STATION 46 AND CONSOLIDATED TO STATION FIVE OH ONE, WHICH IS LOCATED ON FM 1526, AND EFC FIVE BEGAN RUNNING FOR PERSON STAFFING AT THAT TIME.

AND LATER ON IN THAT YEAR, ENTERED INTO A FULL AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT TOGETHER.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO, AS I'D MENTIONED BEFORE, SINCE RUNNING A UNIT OUT OF STATION 46, WE HAVE SEEN ROUGHLY A FOUR TO SIX MINUTE IMPROVEMENT IN RESPONSE TIME TO THE AUSTIN FULL PURPOSE RESIDENTS.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN 2019, WE HAD 424 INCIDENTS THAT WERE RESPONDED TO WITHIN THIS AREA.

42.5% WERE LOCATED WITHIN THE AUSTIN FULL PURPOSE.

32.3% WERE IN SHADY HOLLOW AND 25.2% WERE IN THE AUSTIN TWO MILE ETJ.

SO AFC HIS GOAL IS TO RESPOND TO EMERGENCY INCIDENTS WITHIN EIGHT MINUTES, 90% OF THE TIME FROM CALL RECEIPTS, THE FIRST FRONTLINE UNIT ARRIVE.

SO BEFORE WE HAD A UNIT, AN AFC UNIT RUNNING OUT OF STATION 46, THE RESPONSE TIME THAT THIS AREA WAS EXPERIENCING WERE ROUGHLY 12 TO 14 MINUTES AFTER ASC BEGAN RUNNING A UNIT OUT OF THAT STATION.

WE SAW A RESPONSE TIMES BETWEEN SIX TO EIGHT MINUTES, 90% OF THE TIME.

SO IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT TO NOT ONLY THE SHADY HOLLOW AREA, BUT AS I'D MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU ARE CITY OF AUSTIN, FULL PURPOSE RESIDENCE.

NEXT SLIDE.

HEY, THANKS.

YEAH.

AND THIS IS, UH, ROSS CRO, UH, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH .

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD.

THANK YOU.

SO, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS AGAIN.

UH, MY NAME'S ROSS CROW.

I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE THE CITY AND I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE AFTS ON SOME AGREEMENTS WITH SHADY HUDDLE AND BLOOD.

AND I WANTED TO START BY PROVIDING YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK THEN ON THIS WRITE DOWN, WE'RE WORKING AT A SLIDE NUMBER SIX PASSAGE OF SENATE BILL 1468.

SO BY WAY OF BACKGROUND, THE CITY AND SHADY HOLLOW ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT BACK IN 2013, WHEREBY THE MUD WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY ON DECEMBER 15TH, 2020, THIS YEAR,

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AND MANY PREPARATIONS OVER THE YEARS FOR ANNOTATION HAVE BEEN MADE, INCLUDING AS WAS MENTIONED, AFP, FULLY OCCUPYING THE FIRE STATION.

HOWEVER, THE LEGISLATION PASSED IN 2019 HAS CAUSED THE CITY TO CHANGE DIRECTION.

AND THIS SP 1468 NOW REQUIRES AN ELECTION PROVE ANNEXATION RATHER THAN AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION.

SO RATHER THAN PURSUING AN ELECTION, UH, THE CITY THOUGHT THE MOST PRODUCTIVE APPROACH WOULD BE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE MUD RESIDENTS AND TRY AND WORK THINGS OUT, INCLUDING AN AGREEMENT FOR THE DISTRICT TO START COMPENSATING THE CITY FOR PARK SERVICE AND TRANSFERRING OWNERSHIP OF THE FIRE STATION TO THE CITY.

AND ONE OTHER DETAIL REGARDING THIS, YOU KNOW, THESE DISCUSSIONS IS THAT IN 2018, IN PREPARATION FOR ANNEXATION, THE BLOOD HAD TRANSFERRED ITS WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO THIS, TO THE CITY.

NOW, THE MUD INDICATED DURING DISCUSSION THAT IT WANTED ITS FORMER SYSTEM BACK THEN THE CITY INDICATED WHO WAS WILLING TO DO THAT.

AS LONG AS THE PARTIES WERE ABLE TO REACH A SATISFACTORY AGREEMENT ON THE FIRE SERVICE AND THE FIRE STATION ISSUES, WE'RE READY TO MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

NUMBER SEVEN, THE TITLE CITY OF AUSTIN AND THE DISTRICTS IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT.

SO NO THROUGH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DISTRICT, WE FOUND THAT THEY APPRECIATED AND WANTED THE SERVICE FROM AFP TO CONTINUE, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE PAYMENT FOR THAT SERVICE.

AND THE AGREEMENT AS CAMILLE MENTIONED, IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING FINALIZED.

BUT WE WANT TO GO OVER SOME OF THE BASIC TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT WITH YOU AND FOR YOUR REFERENCE, WE'LL USE THE RECENT SUNSET VALLEY, OUR SERVICE AGREEMENT AS A TEMPLATE THAT WAS EXECUTED IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

NOW THE FIRE AND EMERGENCY SERVICE AFD WOULD PROVIDE INCLUDES THE STANDARD SERVICE PROVIDED BY AN AMT IT'S PATCHING FIRST RESPONDER, BASIC LIFE SUPPORT HAS HAZARDOUS MATERIAL RESPONSE, YOU KNOW, ASSISTING WITH WILDLIFE, YOU KNOW, WILDFIRE PROTECTION PLANS, ET CETERA.

UM, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

NUMBER EIGHT WOULD BE TITLED CITY OF AUSTIN AND DISTRICT IN A LOCAL AGREEMENT.

AND AS WELL AS SHOW TABLES, SHOWING PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO, THE PAYMENT SCHEDULE.

SO, UH, THE CITY IN MINISTRY BASICALLY NEGOTIATED A WEIGHT THAT'S IN TWO PHASES.

AND THE FIRST PHASE BASICALLY LAMPS UP THE RATE GRADUALLY OVER A PERIOD OF EIGHT YEARS.

SO HOW THIS FIRST PHASE CAME ABOUT IS IT, THE MUD WAS ALREADY COMMITTED TO PAYING OFF THE DEBT ON ITS BONDS ISSUED FOR THE FIRE STATION.

SO THIS WAS ALREADY WORKED INTO THEIR FINANCIAL PLAN AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE MUDD RESIDENTS, THE CITY PROPOSED TO THE RUDD, THAT IN THE PURCHASE OF THE FIRE STATION TO GIVE THEM BY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT NEEDED TO FULLY PAY OFF THAT DEBT FOR THE MUD WOULD NO LONGER NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE ANNUAL PAYMENTS ON THEIR BOX THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS, AND HAVE BEEN PARTICULARLY FREED UP SOME CAPACITY FOR THE MUD TO START PAYING FOR FIRE SERVICE.

WHAT IS SHOWN HERE ARE THE AMOUNTS OF THE MUD WOULD HAVE PAID AN ANNUAL DEBT PAYMENTS.

THE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THAT AMOUNT TO THE CITY OF FIRE SERVICE.

NOW THE DEBT WOULD HAVE BEEN PAID OFF IN 2028.

SO PHASE TWO STARTS IN 2029, AND THAT'S WHEN THE MATER CREED, IT WOULD START PAYING AN ANNUAL AMOUNT SIMILAR TO THE PAYMENTS MADE BY SUNSET VALLEY FOR FIRE SERVICE.

AND THAT'S BASED ON A FORMULA, WHICH IS BASICALLY BASED ON PROPERTY VALUES AND AFCS BUDGET.

UH, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IF WE USED TODAY'S VALUES, SUCH AS TODAY'S PROPERTY ASSESSMENTS IS THIS FORMULA WOULD RESETTLE RESULTS IN ABOUT $463,000 A YEAR CAME INTO THE CITY.

SO THAT NUMBER WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN 2029, BUT IT GIVES YOU A GENERAL SENSE OF HOW MUCH THIS PAYMENT WILL BE AT THE START IN THAT YEAR.

AND IT WILL ALSO INCREASE BY 3% PER YEAR FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, JUST AS IT DOES IN THE SUNSET VALLEY AGREEMENT.

BUT WHEN I MOVED TO THE NEXT SLIDE, OLD VIDEO LOSS AND A DISTRICT PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT.

SO REGARDING THE PURCHASE OF THE FIRE STATION MENTIONED, THE CITY OFFERED TO PAY AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE REMAINING DEBT ON THE STATION AS THE PURCHASE PRICE, WHICH WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE DISTRICT TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR DEBT AND ALSO A GOOD VALUE TO THE CITY.

SO THE PARTIES ARE WORKING TO FINALIZE A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT

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BASED ON THIS AMOUNT.

AS YOU CAN SEE IT PICTURED THERE $1,985,000.

SO, UH, LIKE TO MOVE TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WHICH IS A FINAL SLIDE, FINAL OCTOBER CITY COUNCIL AGENDA.

SO WE BELIEVE THESE NEGOTIATIONS HAVE RESULTED IN BASICALLY A GOOD OUTCOME FOR BOTH PARTIES, AND WE BELIEVE BOTH PARTIES CONSIDER THE PROPOSED AGREEMENTS TO BE A WIN WITH.

THERE ARE.

SO THERE'LL BE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WILL BE ON COUNCIL'S AGENDA ON OCTOBER 1ST REGARDING THIS, BUT BESIDES THE AGREEMENTS REGARDING FIRE SERVICE AND THE SALE OF THE FIRE STATION, THERE WILL BE A FEW ITEMS RELATED TO FINANCING THE PURCHASE OF THE STATION.

AND THERE WILL ALSO BE AN AGREEMENT TRANSFER THE WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEM BACK TO THE DISTRICT AND AN AGREEMENT TO TERMINATE ANY AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION PROVISIONS.

SO YES, TODAY IS SPEAKING THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION ON TWO ITEMS, FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENT AND THE PURCHASE AND PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT ON THE FIRE STATION, THOSE ITEMS, UH, WE WOULD, UH, LIKE THE CONDITIONS, UH, RECOMMENDATION ON AND I'LL STOP HERE.

AND WE WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THIS.

SO, BECAUSE THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION IS UP, I CAN'T SEE ALL OF YOU.

SO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE JUST GO AHEAD AND UNMUTE YOURSELF AND, UH, AND LET ME KNOW, OH, NEVERMIND.

YOU'RE BACK.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER HOFFMAN BOOK, THE NUMBERS THAT YOU PRESENTED SEEM TO MAKE SENSE, UH, FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD, UM, PROVIDE US WITH WHAT YOU WOULD SEE, UH, COULD BE SOME OF THE RISKS INVOLVED WITH, UH, PROCEEDING EITHER WHAT THE PROPERTY PURCHASE, AS WELL AS WITH THE AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, AND EVERY DEAL THERE'S SOME RISK.

AND I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE.

WELL, UH, I'LL SAY OVERALL AGAIN, THAT WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH WHAT THE BUTTON WAS WILLING TO COME FORWARD AND, AND AGREE TO.

SO, UH, RIGHT NOW THE MAIN RISK I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHETHER THEY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE GOING TO GO GO FORWARD, BUT WE'VE HAD EVERY INDICATION FROM THEIR REPRESENTATIVES THAT THEY ARE, ARE GOING TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS AGREEMENT.

UM, SO, UH, LET'S SAY IF I CAN IDENTIFY THE DOWNSIDE, I MEAN, UH, IT'S A LONG TERM AGREEMENT.

UH, SO, UH, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN SUNSET VALLEY.

SUNSET VALLEY IS USUALLY IF THEY SET UP AS A FIVE YEAR, BASICALLY FIVE-YEAR AGREEMENT, THEY WANT TO LEAVE, GO SHADE EVERY FIVE YEARS.

I ACTUALLY THINK THAT A LONGTERM AGREEMENT, UH, IS A GOOD THING, BUT I GUESS THERE ARE THINGS THAT COULD HAPPEN DURING THIS, YOU KNOW, A PERIOD OF 13 YEARS, UH, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY DECIDE YOU NEEDED SOME KIND OF COURSE CORRECTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, OR YOU WANTED TO CHANGE THIS FORMULA, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PAYMENT WAS BASED ON, BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, AT THE END OF THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SECOND PHASE, UM, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF WE HIT THE CITY, SAW IT AS ADVANTAGEOUS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT FORMULA, YOU KNOW, UH, BASICALLY, UH, CALCULATING THE FIRE RATE, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT AT THAT TIME.

SO IF I WAS TO SAY THERE WAS ANY, HAVING IT VERY LONG TERM, BUT I THINK PARTIES ABILITY, BASICALLY THE DEAL, IF I CAN INTERJECT ANOTHER RISK WOULD BE, IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT AND A FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO VACATE THAT STATION, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A RESPONSE TIME TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS INCREASE BY THEN SIX TO EIGHT MINUTES, THE ESD FIVE DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO STAFF THEIR CURRENT STATION AND ALSO STATION 46.

SO, UH, AS A RISK, WE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR RESPONSE TIMES AND TAKING CARE OF THE CITIZENS, EXTRA ETJ, AND ALSO, UH, THROUGH OTTAWA, THE ESD PARTNERS AS WELL.

GO AHEAD.

YEAH, SURE.

I WAS JUST WONDERING, UM, IF YOU COULD BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND DO WE, LIKE, WHY IS THIS INFORMATION BEING PRESENTED TO US? ARE WE BEING ASKED TO WEIGH IN ON THESE TIMES OR IS THIS JUST

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A WAY TO PUSH OUT INFORMATION TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC? OKAY.

YEAH.

WELL, I IT'S, UH, IT'S COMMON WHEN THERE'S SOMETHING LARGE, LIKE THE PURCHASE OF A FIRE STATION AND A MAJOR FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENT, UH, THAT AT CITY COUNCIL OFTEN WANTS TO MISS THAT AND IT'S FOUNDED ACCEPTABLE, UH, AND, UH, WOULD GIVE ITS RECOMMENDATION.

SO IT'S JUST A COMMON PRACTICE OF GOING TO THE COMMISSIONS.

WE JUST WENT TO THE WATER WASTEWATER COMMISSION THIS AFTERNOON ON THE TRANSFER OF THE WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEM BACK IN THE MUD, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS A BIG, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG ASSET BEING TRANSFERRED BACK TO THE MUD AND WE EXPLAINED THESE SIMILAR DETAILS TO THEM AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY VOTED TO GET THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THAT ITEM.

SO IT'S JUST A SHOW THAT SHOW COUNCIL THAT IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE USUAL, UH, COMMISSIONS.

YOU HAVE A FOLLOWUP COMMISSIONER, WHETHER, UM, I MEAN, I WOULD TAKE ISSUE WITH ANYONE SAYING THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED IT.

UM, IS THAT GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF US.

RIGHT.

SO R IS THE POINT SHE BUYERS, ARE YOU GOING TO SAY TO COUNCIL THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSION REVIEWED THE AGREEMENT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND TO SEE WHAT JOHN'S THOUGHTS AND FEEDBACK, THE CAPACITY TO SUPPORT THAT.

OKAY.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

YEAH.

OKAY.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION THAT YOU'RE ASKING, RIGHT.

WE'RE BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LAYING OUT THE BASIC TERMS. WE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAD, UH, THE AGREEMENTS TO LAY OUT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT WE'VE, IT'S BEEN A LONG NEGOTIATION AND WE'VE PRESENTED THOSE ABOUT A MONTH AGO.

IT'S THE MUD THAT LOOKING AT THEM, THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THEY'RE, UM, THEY LIKE WHAT THEY SEE IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT THEY HAVE NOT RETURNED THEM WITH THEIR COMMENTS.

SO, UH, WE DIDN'T, WE DON'T HAVE THEM YET IN A ABSOLUTE FINAL FORM, UH, TO SHOW YOU, UH, HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE TIMELINES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHERE BASICALLY THE LEASE ON THE FIRE STATION, ONE'S OUT ON DECEMBER 15TH, UM, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OTHER, UH, PROVISIONS THAT GET TRIGGERED ON DECEMBER 15TH.

WE'RE BUMPING OUT AGAINST THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS TO BE DONE IS FINALIZED IS, UH, WE, UH, WE WANTED TO KEEP THINGS MOVING AND WE FELT LIKE THE BASIC TERMS THAT WE'VE LAID OUT FOR YOU ARE THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE AGREEMENT LIKE WE'RE PURCHASING THE FIRE STATION.

AND THE AMOUNT IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE THAT $1.9 MILLION AMOUNT THEY'RE AGREEING TO PAY FOR FIRE SERVICE.

THERE'S A SCHEDULE FOR THEIR PAYMENTS.

THE OTHER PROVISIONS ARE PRETTY MUCH, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE SUNSET VALLEY AGREEMENT, WHICH HAD THE STANDARD TERMS OF, WE BASICALLY USE THAT AS A TEMPLATE.

SO THAT'S THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE SEEN.

UH, AND SO IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY MUCH LIKE THAT SUNSET VALLEY AGREEMENTS, UH, EXCEPT WITH THESE AMOUNTS THAT WE SHOWED YOU.

AND, UM, SO, UH, AND WE FEEL IT, ESPECIALLY TO WHERE WE STARTED IN THIS SITUATION THAT WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.

AND, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT THE MONTH HAS BEEN WILLING TO UGLIER HERE.

UH, OKAY.

I THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S A GOOD GAME FOR THE CITY.

SO, UH, AS CHIEF BUYERS WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, UM, WHERE WE CAN COMMUNICATE THESE NEW, THE TERMS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION HERE, AND THAT YOUR ROLE IN RECOMMENDATION IS BASED ON THE TERMS THAT YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED.

AND IF I COULD OFFER IN ROSS, CORRECT ME, IF I MISSED UP SOME OF WHAT YOU'VE SHARED WITH ME, THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT HAD A CERTAIN COURSE PLANNED OUT THAT WE WERE ALREADY MIDSTREAM IN WHEN THE LEGISLATION OCCURRED THAT REQUIRED THOSE

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DISRUPTED THE AGREEMENT, THAT ORIGINAL AGREEMENT, IT HAD LANGUAGE IN IT AND SAID, IF SOMETHING EVER DISRUPTED THIS AGREEMENT, BOTH PARTIES WOULD COME TOGETHER AND THEY WOULD WORK TOWARDS A SOLUTION AND A RESOLUTION THAT WAS IN LINE WITH THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

AND THAT IS WHAT ROSS AND JAMEELA AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT PRESENTED BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE GOAL OF THE WORK.

AND THE EFFORTS WERE TO GO BACK TO WHAT THEIR INTENSE OF THE COMPONENTS, ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NEGOTIATING SOME THINGS THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE TO THE GUIDANCE IS THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND THE LANGUAGE IN IT THAT SAID, IF THIS HAS EVER DISRUPTED THAT YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO THE TABLE AND FIND SOLUTIONS THAT, THAT AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE MATCH THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT.

IS THAT A FAIR CHARACTERIZATION OF THINGS OR ELSE YES, IT IS.

IT IS IT BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT IN 2013 THAT HAD THE AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION IN THE CITY WOULD HAVE TAKEN ON ALL THE MUD ASSETS, INCLUDING THE FIRE STATION.

SO WE WOULD HAVE PERCEIVED THE FIRE STATION AND ALL OF THE DEBT.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN ON THAT SAME DEBT, THAT $1.9 MILLION.

AND IN ADDITION, AT THAT POINT, THE MUD RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE STARTED PAYING FOR FIRE SERVICE THROUGH THE AD VALOREM TAX.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT BASICALLY WE WERE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT THINGS BACK TO BASICALLY WHERE THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE, THE AGREEMENT DISRUPTED.

SO WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE JUST HOPING THE TIME TIMELY WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

SO I HAVE, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THIS, THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, 1.9, $1.9 MILLION INVESTMENT, WHAT WOULD IT COST TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION IN THAT PART OF TOWN? SO RIGHT NOW WAS AS WE'RE, WE'RE CURRENTLY BUILDING FIRE STATIONS, THE NEXT ONE THAT'S ON THE ABILITY TO BUILD IS OVER IN TRAVIS COUNTRY, PURCHASED FOR THE PRICE TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE STATION.

I BELIEVE IT'S JUST A BUILDING, NOT THE LAND THAT GOES ON.

SO LAND PURCHASE WOULD BE SEPARATE, BUT JUST TO BUILD THE BUILDING IS ROUGHLY $15 MILLION.

VERY GOOD.

AND, UM, BECAUSE THIS AUTOMATIC ANNEXATION ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT DUE TO THE, UH, THE SENATE BILL.

SO THIS BASICALLY GIVES US THAT FIRE STATION AND DOES, SO THEY JUST BASICALLY GET THE BENEFIT OF FIRE SERVICE AND WE GET THE, WE GET THE FIRE STATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NO OTHER ANNEXATION GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THE ANNEXATION BASED ON LEGISLATION REQUIRES A VOTE.

THE OTHER PART THAT WE GET IN ADDITION TO THE FIRE STATION IS A SERVICE FEE THAT GOES WITH THAT SERVICE FEE, WHICH I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY SATISFIES AN ANNEXATION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TAX BASE THAT COMES IN THERE.

A SERVICE FEE IS THE SUBSTITUTE FOR THAT TO EXCELLENCE.

OKAY.

ROUGHLY SAID, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ.

SO I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, THE SPEAKERS AND NEW AGREEMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THE, I REFLECT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM IN THE STUDY BUDGET OR WHETHER THESE ARE WHOLLY SEPARATE EIGHT YEARS, LIKE PLANNING.

YEAH.

SINCE EVERYONE'S BEEN PLANNING A WHILE BECAUSE THE AGREEMENT'S NOT REACHED YET AND ROZ CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT CALCULATED IN THE CURRENT BUDGET THAT WAS ADOPTED JUST ON OCTOBER, THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT ON THE MECHANISM, BUT BASICALLY, UH, CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION BONDS, UH, YOU KNOW, DEBT CAN BE ISSUED.

SO IT SHOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH THE BUDGET.

WHAT, WHAT THERE WOULD BE.

THERE'S TWO ITEMS BASICALLY.

THERE'LL BE, UH, THERE'LL BE TWO ITEMS FROM FINANCE AND ONE WOULD BE AMENDING, UH, BUDGET TO INCREASE APPROPRIATIONS BY 1.9 MILLION.

SECOND ITEM IS A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD DECLARE THE CITY'S INTENT TO REIMBURSE ITSELF THAT AMOUNT FROM THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION.

SO, UH, THAT'S, UH, THAT'S BASICALLY WOULD BE THE MECHANISM AND YOU'RE CORRECT.

THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE BUDGETING IN THE RECENT PROCESS.

AND, UH, WE WOULD HAVE BLOCKED HIS HAND ALL OF THIS WRAPPED UP MONTHS

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AGO, BUT, UH, NO, WE JUST NOW ARE STARTING TO APPROACH THE FINISH LINE.

SO, UH, IT CAN STILL BE WORKED OUT WELL THOUGH WITH THAT AMENDMENT AND REIMBURSED REIMBURSEMENT PROPS.

NOW, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, BUYER'S LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FOR US ON THE FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENT ITSELF AND THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT ON THE FIRE STATION.

IS THAT CORRECT? DID I REPEAT THAT? PERFECT.

WE'RE DONE WITH DISCUSSION.

DO WE HAVE, UH, ANYONE THAT WILL MOVE TO SUPPORT THIS RECOMMENDATION? I'LL MOVE THAT WE ACQUIRE A FIRE STATION THAT WE NEED.

I JUST I'M UNCOMFORTABLE SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE REC AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

ANYONE WANT TO ADD TO THAT? UM, I AGREE WITH THE MISSION OR WHATEVER.

I MEAN, BEING THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, UH, REALLY, I MEAN, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT, UH, AT LEAST I AM HEARING ABOUT THIS.

IT IS HARD TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL SAYING YES, APPROVE THIS.

UM, YOU KNOW, JUST GIVE A BLANKET RECOMMENDATION.

UM, I MEAN, I FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.

UH, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT IT SEEMS THAT, UM, UH, THAT IS WHAT IT'S NEEDED.

UM, BUT I DO NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE SAYING, YES, THIS ARE THE NUMBERS.

THIS ARE, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE GOING FURTHER THAN THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYONE ELSE WITH ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE THAT WE ARE COMFORTABLE TO SUPPORT BASICALLY SAYING WE AGREE WITH, UH, TAKING ON A FIRE STATION IN, UH, AN AREA WHICH IS NEEDED FOR THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

UH, BUT WE ARE NOT WILLING TO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY WE AGREE WITH ALL THE NUMBERS ON THE PURCHASE.

WOULD THAT BE CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE MY POSITION.

YES.

OKAY.

DOES ANYONE HAVE A SECOND UNLESS WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS, WAS THAT YOU SECONDING COMMISSIONER WEBER COMMISSIONER? YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

WHO'S SECOND.

WHO IS, I GUESS THERE WAS A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER I WASN'T FROM COMMISSIONER WEBER.

YES.

OKAY.

SO I SECOND THAT LAW SYSTEM CLARIFICATION, I HEARD YOU MENTIONING THE PURCHASE WHEN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT SAID THAT YOU WERE THINKING THAT INCLUDED THE FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENTS OR, UH, I MEAN, IT'S NOT WORTH TAKING THAT ONE OR, UH, WHETHER YOU WERE JUST REFERRING TO THE PURCHASE.

I BELIEVE WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING THAT WE SUPPORT THE FIRE SERVICE AGREEMENTS, WHICH PROVIDE FIRE SERVICE OF THAT AREA OF TOWN.

I DO NOT BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE A MOTION THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IN THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME WITH THESE NUMBERS, UH, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE A QUOTE UNQUOTE GOOD, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT MR. WEBER, GO AHEAD.

YEAH.

I MEAN, I'M COMFORTABLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU TO THE FIRE SERVICE AND THE CITY LEGAL FOR, YOU KNOW, WORKING HARD ON AN AGREEMENT TO, YOU KNOW, BRING FIRE SERVICE TO AN AREA THAT NEEDS IT.

I'M JUST NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING, HEY, COUNSEL, YOU SHOULD SIGN THIS INTERLOPER.

I CLARIFY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

I MEAN, IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE.

I MEAN, UM, YEAH, I WISH THERE WAS MORE WE COULD CONVEY.

WE, WE FEEL LIKE THE, THE PURCHASE AMOUNT IS ISN'T SHE FINDS AS MENTIONED, IT COULD TAKE QUITE A BIT MORE MONEY

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TO SELL THIS PATIENT.

I MEAN, MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS MORE SO, YOU KNOW, ARE REQUIRING A STATION FOR 1.9 MILLION.

IT SAID WE BELIEVE A VERY, VERY GOOD, UH, THING FOR THE CITY, UH, AND A VERY GOOD OUTCOME, UH, IN OUR VIEW FROM THIS NEGOTIATION.

AND, UH, SO, UM, BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN, IT WOULD BE A STANDARD OTHERWISE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT OUR REAL ESTATE, UH, PEOPLE DO ALL THE TIME OR PURCHASE OF LAND AND FACILITIES.

UH, SO IT'S JUST BASICALLY PLUGGING IN THAT MOUTH, UH, WHICH, UH, WE THINK OF THEM AS A GOOD VALUE FOR THE CITY.

AND I KNOW, UH, UH, ROB, IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, NO QUESTION.

THE CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE PURCHASING SOMETHING FOR ONE PLACE.

THE VALUE IS LESS THAN, OR IS THERE A, THE SERVICE ALREADY EXISTS WITH THE AUSTIN FIRE DEPARTMENT WORKING OUT OF DESIRE STATION? THE, BECAUSE OF THE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE IN, IN DECEMBER THAT IF NO AGREEMENT IS REACHED, THAT THERE COULD BE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND US HAVING TO VACATE THAT PROPERTY, UH, WHICH THEN CREATES A SERVICE DELIVERY ISSUE OR A DISRUPTION POSSIBLY, UM, BECAUSE OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE, THAT WOULD EXPIRE WITHOUT A NEW AGREEMENT TO SOLVE WHAT TRANSPIRED FROM THE LEGISLATION.

SO IS THE QUESTION OR CONCERN IN REGARD TO THE VALUE THAT THE COST BEING PAID FOR THE STATION VERSUS THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S ON? OR IS IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT? I APOLOGIZE.

I'M LOOKING FOR SOME CLARIFICATION.

SO I GUESS AS THE ORIGINAL MOVEMENT, I'LL TRY AND ANSWER.

I JUST THINK CHEAP FIRES, YOU'RE GETTING WAY INTO THE WEEDS ON THINGS THAT WE ARE QUALIFIED OR PREPARED TO WEIGH IN ON.

I MEAN, WHAT ABOUT IF WE SAY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE FULLY SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S EFFORTS TO PUT IN AN INNER LOCAL SUCH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF THAT AREA HAVE FIRE SERVICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OKAY.

SO THE CONCERN IS THAT THAT'S THE CONCERN BE ABLE TO SEE THE FINALIZED, THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE ILA THAT'S STILL IN, IN LEGAL REVIEW.

IS THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE QUESTION? I APOLOGIZE.

I'M JUST UNDERSTANDING MAYBE IT WOULD HELP CHIEF, IF YOU TOLD US WHAT LANGUAGE IT IS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET US TO PASS, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE.

OKAY.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD, ROSS, COULD YOU REPEAT THE ITEMS THAT WERE SAID A MOMENT AGO, THE TWO COMPONENTS? WELL, UH, BASICALLY, UH, WE'VE, UH, WE'VE UH, HOW WILL I, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY I PUT IT OVER, WE'VE NEGOTIATED WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE GOOD TERMS, THE BASIC OUTLETS, RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE AGREEMENTS OR WHATEVER, THESE ARE THE HIGH LEVEL TERMS THAT WE'VE COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH WITH THE MOD AND WE'VE PRESENTED THOSE.

AND SO WE, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION IS COMFORTABLE WITH IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDING SAYING THE COUNCIL THAT, UH, THAT WE RECOMMEND AT THE, UH, AT THE CITY, UH, UH, CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE MUD TO, YOU KNOW, FINALIZE AND IN A LOCAL THAT WOULD, UH, ADULTS, ADULTS IN THE PURCHASE OF THE FIRE STATION FOR THE, UH, FOR THE AMOUNT OF, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE $1.9 MILLION AMOUNT AND FOR THE FIRE SERVICE, UH, PAYMENTS THAT THE MUD IS INDICATED IT'S WILLING TO DO.

UH, THAT'S, THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

JUST SOME INDICATION OF SUPPORT AT THAT HIGH LEVEL, FOR THOSE THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THE, THESE AGREEMENTS TO, UH, CLOSURE WITH THE MUD.

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UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT, UH, WHAT THE PATHWAY, UH, FOR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, TYPICALLY IT'S WORDED AS RECOMMENDED, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT THESE ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDED, UH, THE NEGOTIATION AND EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT FOR FOREST SERVICE AND FOR THE PURCHASING PURCHASE AND SALE OF THE PATIENT.

BUT IT COULD JUST SIMPLY BE, UH, SOMETHING MORE HIGH LEVEL THAT YOU SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS TO FINALIZE THESE AGREEMENTS.

I WAS ABOUT TO ASK REBECCA, WOULD YOU BE, WOULD YOU APPROVE BASICALLY SOMETHING VERY SIMPLE? LIKE WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZE THIS INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE SHADY HOLLOW MUD, NOT PUTTING ANY NUMBERS AROUND IT, NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, PAY THIS OR PAY THAT, BUT JUST SAYING WE SUPPORT THEM MOVING FORWARD TO PROVIDE BUYER SERVICES.

SO THIS PART OF THE CITY, YEAH, A LITTLE MORE EXPLICITLY, YOU KNOW, WE SUPPORT THE EFFORTS, KEEP AN EVENT, A DISRUPTION OF SERVICE IN THAT AREA.

OKAY.

I GOT THAT.

YEAH.

IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH SAYING YOU HAD TO GO OUT TO FINALIZE MUSIC RAYMOND'S FOR THE FIRE SERVICE AND THE PURCHASE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

OR HOWEVER, AS YOU MENTIONED, THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE, LIKE YOU SAID, AND TO AVOID THAT DISRUPTION, AS FAR AS WHEN THIS AREA, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO UTILIZE SOME WATER, YOU SUPPORT THE NEGOTIATION AND EXECUTION OF A CONTRACT WITH THE PURCHASE WITH ALLEN MUD, FOR THE PURCHASE AND ACQUISITION OF THE STATION AND PROPERTY, IN ADDITION TO, UM, THE SERVICE FEE FOR ONGOING SERVICE IN THAT AREA.

IS THAT QUESTION, IS THAT I GUESS AT THE MOMENT, UM, I'M NOT HONESTLY, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM OTHERS IF Y'ALL THINK I'M, UM, BEING TOO CONSERVATIVE ABOUT WHAT WE SAY, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ, GO AHEAD.

YOU'RE ON MUTE.

THERE YOU GO.

THERE I GO.

UM, I THINK, UM, AYE, I THINK I CONCUR THAT I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A DISRUPTION IN SERVICE, UM, AND BE A DETERRENT TO THIS NEGOTIATION MOVING FORWARD.

BUT AS FAR AS AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT, I MEAN, WE JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

NO, WE'RE NOT.

WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE WILL, THAT WE ARE APPROVING AN AGREEMENT.

THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT ON THE TABLE.

THIS IS JUST US SUPPORTING CITY COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD WITH THE EXECUTION OF THIS AGREEMENT, BUT WE'RE NOT SAYING, YOU KNOW, FULL FUNDING MONEY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

I THINK TO REBECCA, TO COMMISSIONER WEBER'S POINT, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DETAILS OF THE CONTRACT.

THEY ARE STILL BEING, UM, NEGOTIATED.

SO I THINK, UH, WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT GIVES OUR SUPPORT OF, I W I LOVE CALLING OUT THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO CREATE THIS DISRUPTION OF SERVICE.

UM, AND WE HAVE THE NUMBERS.

I HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM THE PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT WE FEEL LIKE THE NUMBERS WOULD WOULD DO IF WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK WE CAN KEEP THE LANGUAGE HIGH LEVEL ENOUGH, UH, THAT WE SAY WE SUPPORT THE AUSTIN FIRE SERVICE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS AGREEMENT AND SUPPORT THE COUNCIL, DO THAT, BUT NOT GIVE THEM THE ACTUAL AMOUNTS TO SAY, WE'RE OKAY WITH YOU SPENDING $1.9 MILLION.

OKAY.

FOR SURE.

WHETHER THIS WAS YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION.

DO YOU STILL AGREE WITH THAT MOTION? OKAY.

AND, UH, COMMISSIONER ALVARENGA DO YOU STILL SECOND THAT MOTION? FANTASTIC.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO AN AUDIO VOTE ON THIS, SO BE PREPARED WITH YOUR MICROPHONE.

UM, SO LET'S START WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER NUNEZ.

YES.

WONDERFUL COMMISSIONER HOFFMAN PLUCK.

YES.

I'M SURE.

RAMIREZ YES.

COMMISSIONER LANE.

YES.

COMMISSIONER KELLY.

YES.

AND I THINK WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE A AND I AM A YES,

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MYSELF.

PERFECT.

THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MS. JACKSON.

I THINK I HAVE A GOOD OVERVIEW OF THIS I'LL WORK ON THIS.

UH, AND I WILL SEND YOU THE RESOLUTION, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION, UH, RIGHT AFTER THIS MEETING ALL FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONVERSATION ON THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

WONDERFUL.

SO, WELL, THE LAST ONE IS, OH, WELL, WHEN WE DO MORE, WE'VE GOT ABOUT 24 MINUTES.

SO, UH, PELITOS IS RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LATE ON THAT.

THIS

[4. Public Input: Proposed Decommissioning and Reusing Land at Austin Police Department Headquarters]

NEXT ITEM IS THE PUB, UH, PROPOSED, UH, DECOMMISSIONING AND REUSING LAND AT THE AUSSIE PUBLIC.

UM, SORRY, THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS, UH, COMMISSIONER WEBER.

DO YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE US? I'M SURE I CAN START OUT.

SO Y'ALL, THIS CAME OUT OF OUR NOW, UM, WAY OF COLLABORATING WITH THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE THAT'S MADE UP OF A FORECAST NUMBERS, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THE SHARE COST NUMBER PLAN, AGAIN, ASK THIS COMMITTEE TO START TRIAL BALLOONING AND BRINGING TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THE MEDIA IS, UM, ANY PLAN AGAINST THE IDEA THAT APD HEADQUARTERS WOULD BE MOVED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT, THAT LAND RIGHT THERE AT EIGHT AND I, 35, I'VE DEVELOPED AND REDEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, HONORS THE MOVEMENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SUMMER VALUING BLACK AND BROWN LIVES.

AND, UM, THAT IT WOULD ALSO BE A, YOU KNOW, THE EMBODIMENT OF COUNCIL'S RE-IMAGINING PUBLIC SAFETY, SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECTS OF IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE POLICE, BUT WOULD BE SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

WONDERFUL.

OKAY.

UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE, UM, WE, I'M GETTING THE NAME OF OUR SPEAKERS FROM THE, SORRY.

THERE IT IS.

OH, WE HAVE DARRYL ALEXANDER ON THE LINE FROM, UH, THE CFO'S OFFICE, THE CITY CFO OFFICE.

IS THAT CORRECT? MR. ALEXANDER HERE? I THINK CONNOR KENNY WAS GOING TO INTRODUCE THE SPEAKERS.

YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

I JUST WANTED, I DIDN'T KNOW IF CONNOR KNEW THAT THAT WAS A NEW PERSON ON THE LINE.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE AND LET THEM KNOW THAT CONNOR, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? PERFECT.

WONDERFUL.

OKAY.

AND BY UNMUTE IT, YES, EVERYONE.

I THINK WE CAN HEAR EVERYONE.

CONNOR.

DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE THE PANEL AND START THE CONVERSATION? SURE.

GREAT.

UM, WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME OUT.

MY NAME IS .

I AM, UH, IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR NOW I'M A DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS AT THE CIVILITY GROUP, A LOCAL DEVELOPMENT AND ENGINEERING FIRM, BUT I'M THE IMMEDIATE PAST CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND JUST STEPPED OFF A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

AND I, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M, I'M USEFUL HERE AND THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON THE PLANS FOR, UH, FOR DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING THIS AREA.

SO, UM, WITH ME TODAY, I HAVE, UH, SWEENEY.

SHE WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE AUSTIN EMS ASSOCIATION, OUR PARAMEDICS UNION, UH, SHOSHANA KRIEGER, THE PROGRAM DIRECTOR WITH BOSTON, LOCAL TENANTS RIGHTS AND ASSISTANCE ASSOCIATION AND PERSON JANE FIO IS GIVING A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WORKING TO TRANSFORM THE EXISTING ENTREPRENEURIAL TECH ECOSYSTEM INTO A MORE AUTHENTICALLY INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT.

UM, SO THIS IS A PRETTY DIVERSE, UH, GROUP BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST ONE, WHAT I EXPECT TO BE, HAVE A LONG SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS, BUT I WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THE END.

THE DISCUSSIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH FOLKS WERE REALLY DIVERSE SET OF NEEDS AND, UH, THAT THIS SITE COULD ADDRESS.

UM, AND SO JUST, UH, TO KIND OF, UM, TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SITE AND THEN I'LL LET THE PANELISTS, UH, UM, SPEAK A LITTLE BIT AND THEN WE'LL OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.

UM, THAT, ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

YES, PLEASE.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, SO I JUST WANT TO, FIRST OF ALL, SAY THAT, UM, I REALLY DO NOT SEE THIS AS PART OF THE, THE FUNDS, THE POLICE CONVERSATION, UH, ABD HAS HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THIS SITE FOR A LONG TIME.

UM, IT'S DESTINED TO BE REDEVELOPED WITH ALISA SUBSTANTIAL PART OF PORTION OF THE DEPARTMENT MOVING OFF SITE.

SO IT'S REALLY JUST A QUESTION OF HOW TO BEST USE THIS SITE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL COMMITTEE IS, IS ASKING FOR.

UM, AND IT'S ALSO THIS CONVERSATION I THINK, IS NOT NECESSARILY SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE.

SO IF DIFFERENT IDEAS

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START BEING DEVELOPED TO THIS SIDE, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER PUBLICLY OWNED SITES NEARBY, INCLUDING THE CONVENTION CENTER.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT, I THINK NECESSARILY NOW.

SO I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT A SITE IN THIS AREA OF DOWNTOWN.

UM, THE, THIS SITE ITSELF, UH, IS UNDER A CAPITAL CITY CAPITAL, THE CORRIDOR, WHICH PRETTY SEVERELY CONSTRAINED THE HEIGHT.

UM, BUT THE CITY ALSO DID CHANGE PLANS FOR A CAPITOL CORRIDOR OVER THE