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ALL RIGHT, FOLKS.

UH, I DO WANT TO BE COGNIZANT OF TIME BECAUSE WE DO ONLY HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF.

AND AS YOU KNOW, ARE VERY STRICT ABOUT CUTTING IT OFF AT THAT HOUR AND A HALF.

SO, AND WE HAVE A, A FULL AGENDA AND A PRESENTATION THAT I THINK FOLKS HAVE BEEN EAGERLY ANTICIPATING FROM THE, UH, OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY.

AND I THINK IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RATHER LARGE SLIDE DECK AND I IT'S GOT A LOT OF INFO, A LOT OF MEAT.

SO I THINK, UM, I'M SURE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.

SO WHY DON'T WE GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED? UM, CHAIR, CHAIR, I DON'T THINK THE BROADCAST ATX AND BRONCHUS IS READY THAT THEY'VE INFORMED ME THAT THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE AUDIO SIGNAL OR THEY NEED, IF WE CAN JUST WAIT ONE MINUTE.

I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT I COMMUNICATE SOMETHING GREAT.

NO PROBLEM.

WHILE WE'RE WAITING.

CAN PEOPLE HEAR ME? OKAY.

ATX ANNA'S SAYING THEY'RE GOOD NOW THAT'S MY QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, THEN

[CALL MEETING TO ORDER]

I WILL CALL THE VIRTUAL MEETING OF THE ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION TO ORDER IT IS SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2020 AT 10:04 AM.

UM, WE HAVE AN ATTENDANCE FOR THE RECORD COMMISSIONERS, UM, HOPKINS VIRTUAL HUDDLE, UH, REED BOYLE WELDON PUNK HELTER, FRONTAL STONE.

UM, AND WE, I THINK ARE EXPECTING COMMISSIONER HADDON TO JOIN US THAT AT SOME POINT, UM, WITH THAT I WILL MOVE ON TO CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, UH, WITH DEVICE.

DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? WE DID.

THANK YOU.

[1. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

THANK YOU.

SO THEN MOVING ON TO APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, UM, THE MINUTES WERE, UH, FROM THE AUGUST, THE 10TH REGULAR MEETING ARE INCLUDED IN OUR MEETING MATERIALS.

UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EDITS OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? THE NONE.

I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE LAST MONTH.

I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES.

THANK YOU.

UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE.

AND RAISE YOUR HAND PLEASE.

AND FOR THOSE ON THE, WHO, WE DON'T SEE A VIDEO FEE, UM, WE MAY NEED TO GET A VERBAL VOTE FROM YOU ON, ON STUFF.

SO THAT'S, UH, COMMISSIONER OR PHONE CALLS OR MR. SHE'S ON MUTE AND COMMISSIONER STONE.

HI, COMMISSIONER COCO.

WE WEREN'T ABLE TO HEAR YOU IF YOU VOTED ON THE MINUTES.

HI.

OKAY, GREAT.

MOVING.

THIS IS KAREN HADN'T.

I BOOK I AS WELL.

OH, GREAT.

GREAT.

THANKS COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU.

[NEW BUSINESS – CONSENT]

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS, UH, WE HAVE 13 ITEMS ON THE, UM, NEW BUSINESS.

IS THERE ANY ITEMS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE FULL FOR DISCUSSION? I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON, I THINK IT'S FOUR ABOUT THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY REBATES.

I DID TWO ON THE, ANY OTHER ITEMS COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS.

OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEMS. TWO, THREE, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN THROUGH 14, JUST CARRY FOR A CHILL SUMMER.

AND IS THERE A SECOND? THIS IS KAREN.

AND SECOND DAY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

AYE.

I THINK I ONLY DIDN'T HEAR COMMISSIONER STONE, RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

[4. (9/17) [Austin Energy] Authorize issuance of energy efficiency program rebates by Austin Energy during Fiscal Year 2020-21, in an amount not to exceed $2,700,000 for multifamily energy efficiency rebates and $3,350,000 for commercial and small business energy efficiency rebates, for a total combined amount not to exceed $6,050,000.]

OKAY, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER FOUR.

UM, AND I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONERS

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READ AND A COUPLE THAT HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON ITEM, NUMBER OF WORK, DANIEL GARZA.

I'M THE INTERIM DIRECTOR OF ENERGY EFFICIENCY.

HEY, HEY, THIS IS, UM, COMMISSIONER REED CYRUS READ.

SO I KNOW THIS, THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS DISCUSSED, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS AGO THAT FOR VARIETY OF REASONS, UM, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR AUSTIN ENERGY TO INDIVIDUALLY TAKE, UH, REBATE DECISIONS TO THE COMMISSIONS.

UM, IT CREATED A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, RED, RED TAPE THAT MEANT, UH, PROJECTS WEREN'T GETTING DONE, WHICH MEANT YOU WEREN'T MEETING YOUR GOALS AND UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.

BUT, UM, WHAT I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON IS HOW, HOW YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO SHARE SOME SORT OF EVALUATION OF THOSE PROGRAMS TO THE COMMISSION.

SO WE CAN SEE WHETHER THEY'RE MEETING THEIR GOALS OR NOT.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU AND DEBBIE HAD, HAD HAD A PLAN FOR HOW TO DO THAT.

UH, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE'RE NOT, IF WE JUST APPROVED THIS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, ANY SORT OF, UM, MID YEAR PRESENTATION OR, OR EVALUATION, THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR US TO KNOW WHETHER THE PROGRAMS ARE SUCCESSFUL.

SURE.

CAN I SHARE? THANKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

WE DO PROVIDE THE PIPELINE REPORT WHERE IT HAS EFFECTIVELY ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE, THE OLD RCA APPROVAL.

UM, SO WE DO PROVIDE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND ALL THE PIPELINES AND ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

UM, FOR ALL PROJECTS ABOVE THE COUNCIL LIMIT, I FIND REPORT IN THE R R AND B, UH, DOCUMENTS.

SO WHEN WE PROVIDE THE RMC REPORT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE ALSO PROVIDE A PIPELINE REPORT WITH ALL OF THE RCA DOCUMENTATION, JUST LIKE WE DID PREVIOUSLY WITH ALL THAT DETAIL, BUT EVERY PROJECT.

WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, JUST, I'M SENDING SOMETHING TO JEFF TO SHARE WHERE WE CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION.

CAUSE I'M NOT HYMAN I'M CLEAR ON WHERE TO FIND THAT.

OKAY.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

THANKS.

YEAH.

MY QUESTION WAS RELATED TO, WE HAVE, I THINK A GENTLEMAN WHO HAD A COMPANY AND HE WAS CONCERNED, THERE WAS A LENGTHY PROCESS AND AGAIN, UNCERTAINTY, AND IT WAS A HAMPERING, THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE DESCRIPTION OF ITEM FOUR, THERE'S BEEN A RADICAL INCREASE, THE AMOUNT OF PARTICIPATION, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE US A NOTION OF WHAT THE DELAY WAS IN THE PAST AND THEN HOW MUCH BETTER IT'S GOTTEN IN THE FUTURE WITH WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS YOU'VE GOTTEN? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE THAT HAS LED TO WAS 5,300 VERSUS MUCH LOWER IN THE PAST? SURE.

UM, SO THE BIG ONE, AND THIS IS REALLY SPECIFIC TO MULTIFAMILY CAUSE THEY WAS DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED.

UM, SO, UH, MULTI-FAMILY STRUGGLED WITH THE SPLIT INCENTIVE AND UM, AND WHAT HAPPENS IS CONTRACTORS, UM, EFFECTIVELY HAVE TO STINK A LOT OF WORK AND TIME ANALYZING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT MEASURES QUALIFY, AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO TAKE IT THROUGH THE RCA PROCESS AND THE WHOLE BIT FOR INDEPENDENT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES COUNCIL DOESN'T NEED AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHERE IT CAN GO FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS, UM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PROCESS BEFORE WE GET APPROVAL TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

AND, UM, IT JUST CREATED A LOT OF, A LOT OF HESITATION WHEN WE HAVE INTERESTS, ESPECIALLY IN THIS PROGRAM, WE'RE HARD TO REACH.

UM, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE, WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY, UM, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR MIND.

SO IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY EFFECTIVE.

UM, AND IT ALSO SPEAKS WELL TO, UH, OUR PROGRAM DELIVERY.

SO IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK A LONG TIME TO JUST GET APPROVAL.

IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THE PROCESS WOULD BE CUMBERSOME AND, UM, AND THEY WOULD JUST PREVENT CUSTOMERS FROM MOVING FORWARD.

SO REALLY IT'S BEEN A WRAP A LOT AROUND THAT AND ONE OF THE REAL BENEFITS AND WHAT YOU HEARD FROM A CONTRACTOR THAT THEY HAD TO EFFECTIVELY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TIED UP FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

UM, AND SO WE'VE ACTUALLY GROWN OUR CONTRACTOR BASE BECAUSE FOR THAT VERY REASON.

SO NOW THEY DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT MONEY AT RISK.

SO IT USED TO BE THREE TO SIX MONTHS.

AND NOW WHAT IS THE TURNAROUND TIME? SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AFTER OUR, OUR, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR BEDDING PROCESS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITHIN A WEEK OR TWO, UM, I MEAN TO BE IN WORST CASE.

UM, AND THEN IT'S JUST A MATTER OF ACTUALLY THE CONTRACTOR STAFFING UP AND COMPLETING THE PROJECT.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, JEFF, UH, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT GETTING THAT RMC REPORT ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE

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CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT IT BEFORE THE MEETING.

IS THAT STILL, CAN WE DO THAT SO WE CAN REQUEST FOR INFORMATION? IN FACT, I WAS JUST NOTING TO ONE OF MY FELLOW STAFF THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL START TO DO IS I'LL JUST TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE MY REPORT AS WELL.

JUST TO CLARIFY, IN OTHER WORDS, IT WON'T BE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU GUYS, BUT IT'LL BE A REPORT PROVIDED.

YEAH, I JUST MEANT IN THE DOCUMENTATION.

SO IF WE WANT TO REQUEST INFORMATION, WE CAN, WE HAVE TIME TO KNOW, UM, IT CAN, IS THERE, CAN WE ALSO, IS THAT, IS IT NOTED IN THAT REPORT, WHICH BUILDINGS ARE LOW INCOME OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT TRACKED SOMEWHERE ELSE? A NOTE IS INDICATED AS A SEPARATE PROGRAM, MULTI-FAMILY INCOME QUALIFIED.

ARE YOU, ARE YOU SEEING THE SAME KIND OF RESULTS IN THOSE PROPERTIES AS THE UPTAKE IN THE OTHER? THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN THE BIGGEST INCREASES IS, UH, INCOME QUALIFIED.

UM, SO THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN, UH, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THE, THE STAY AT HOME ORDER, IT WAS BLOWING THE DOORS OFF.

SO, UM, WE'RE GOING TO EXCEED GOAL AND THAT EVEN WITH THE COVEN SHUTDOWN, UM, SO THEY'VE BEEN THE MOST, UM, BENEFITED.

SO IN GENERAL, THE PROGRAM, AS IT RELATES TO MULTI FAMILY INCOME QUALIFIED HAS BEEN DOING EXCEPTIONALLY WELL.

GREAT.

THANK YOU ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ITEM, NUMBER FOUR WITH THAT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION APPROVE ITEM NUMBER.

WAIT JUST A SECOND.

THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

AYE.

AYE.

OKAY.

I THINK I GOT EVERYONE, UH, ITEM NUMBER FOUR PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM,

[15. Briefing regarding the Austin Community Climate Plan by the Office of Sustainability.]

MOVING ON TO STAFF BRIEFINGS AND REPORTS.

UH, AS I MENTIONED AT THE TALKER READING, WE HAVE AN, UM, A PRESENTATION FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY ON THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN AND IT'S, UH, A VERY ROUGH, ROBUST PRESENTATION.

I'M SURE THERE WILL BE, UH, LOTS OF QUESTIONS.

UM, WHO IS YOUR TO PRESENT ON THAT? THIS IS ZACH BOMBER FROM THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY AUTHORITY.

YUP.

I'M HERE.

GREAT, MR BALLMER.

THANK YOU.

UM, QUICK QUESTION TO YOU, AS FAR AS PROCESS GOES, UM, WOULD YOU PREFER FOR US TO HOLD QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END OR CAN WE INTERRUPT YOU AND ASK QUESTIONS AS WE GO? UM, AS THEY COME UP, YOU'D PROBABLY BE BETTER IF WE HELD THEM TO YET.

OKAY.

UM, I THINK I, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE WITH THAT GENERALLY.

UM, I KNOW IT'S TOUGH FOR US TO DO THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING ON A SLIDE, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWER NOW, BUT I DO THINK THAT HELPS US, UM, MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION MORE QUICKLY AND WHERE WE ARE TIME CONSTRAINTS.

SO IF FOLKS COULD TRY TO JOT DOWN YOUR QUESTIONS AS YOU GO, AND THEN LET'S CIRCLE BACK, UM, AT THE END FOR, UH, THE QUESTION YUP.

AND SHARE HOPKINS.

SO I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT IF YOU'D LIKE YOU COULD CONCURRENTLY TAKE UP ITEM, I THINK IT'S 19.

UH, SO THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION THAT YOU ALL WOULD CARE TO, IF ZACK, IF YOU'RE SEEKING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE LUCY, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YES, LET'S DO THAT.

RIGHT.

LET'S TAKE UP ITEM NUMBER 19 AS WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THE CALL TO ACTION HERE IS THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY IS LOOKING FOR A PLEDGE OF SUPPORT FROM THE EMT.

SO WE CAN, UM, VOTE ON THAT AS WELL AT THE END.

OKAY.

GO AHEAD, MR. BOMBER.

GREAT.

UM, I TRY TO SHARE MY SCREEN SO MAYBE CAN CITY HALL OR JEFF WHEN YOU SHARE IT AND THEN CITY HALL IS GOING TO DRIVE FOR YOU.

IF I COULD REMIND EVERYONE TO PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF, ZACH, WE HAVE THE TITLE SLIDE UP, BUT, UH, I CAN'T SEE

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IT YET, BUT WHEN IT, WHEN IT LOADS FOR ME, I'LL, I'LL JUST SWITCH BACK TO THIS.

OKAY.

SO, SO HI EVERYBODY.

I'M ZACH BOMBER, UM, CLIMATE PROGRAM MANAGER HERE IN THE CITY, UH, AND THE OPPOSITE OF SUSTAINABILITY IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

UM, SO I'M HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE, UH, THE FULL DRAFT OF THE REVISION OF THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN, WHICH IS NOW TITLED TO AUSTIN, FIND IT NEXT WEEK.

SO NEXT LINE, SO SUMMARY.

SO WE HAVE BEEN UPDATING THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY KIND OF PLAN FOR ALMOST THE LAST YEAR NOW.

UM, THE FIRST DRAFT, THE FULL, A SHORT VERSION OF THE DOCUMENT AND A VERY HUNDRED PAGE LONG VERSION OF THE, UM, DOCUMENT ARE BOTH OUT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AVAILABLE ON SPEAK OF BOSTON.

THERE'S A SURVEY.

YOU CAN ADD COMMENTS THERE AND YOU CAN REVIEW THE FULL DOCUMENTS.

WE'RE AIMING TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THIS REVISED PLAN, EITHER AT THE OCTOBER 29TH OR NOVEMBER 12TH COUNCIL MEETING.

UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OPEN FROM NOW UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH.

SO THERE'S STILL, UH, LIKE 16 DAYS OF PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

UM, SO TODAY WE'RE JUST LOOKING THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS, AREAS OF INTEREST.

UM, WHEN I SAY PLEDGE OF SUPPORT, THE, THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE PASSED A RECOMMENDATION OF SUPPORT, UM, AT THEIR AUGUST MEETING.

AND AS WE WERE PRESENTING, AS WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED, UM, WE'RE PRESENTING LIKE 22 TOTAL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

UM, SO WE'RE TAKING UP RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, DURING OUR CONVERSATION, SOME ARE LIKE GONNA THINK ABOUT IT AND DO SOMETHING AT THE NEXT MEETING.

THAT'S ENTIRELY UP TO YOU.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

SO YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER, UM, AUSTIN CITY COUNCIL PASSED THE ROLE OF NET ZERO COMMUNITY-WIDE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BY 2050.

THEY PASSED THAT GOAL IN 2014.

UM, MY STAFF AND I, ALONG WITH STAKEHOLDERS WORKED IN 2014 AND 15 TO CREATE THIS INITIAL AUSTIN COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN.

UH, THE FOCUS HERE WAS THERE WERE THREE THERE, FOUR MAIN FOCUS AREAS, ELECTRICITY AND NATURAL GAS CAN TRADITIONAL LAND USE CIOS AND WASTE MANAGEMENT, INDUSTRIAL PROCESSING.

THIS PLAN WAS LONG.

AND AT THE TIME, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GROUNDBREAKING AND LIKE PROGRESSIVE.

UM, BUT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, VERY QUALITATIVE WAS VERY FOCUSED ON CITY ACTIONS.

AND THE IDEA HERE WAS THAT, UM, IT NEEDED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC AND MORE QUANTITATIVE.

AND WE REALLY WEREN'T THAT LIKE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO LEVERAGE MORE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND COMMUNITY ACTION, NOT JUST SORT OF WITH CITY DIRECTORS, ET CETERA.

SO THAT'S SLIDE.

SO THAT PLAN HAD BEEN UNDER IMPLEMENTATION FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

THERE WERE ANNUAL THAT WERE SUBMITTED, UM, ON LIKE PROGRESS ON THE ACTIONS.

BUT IN THAT PLAN, IT SAID THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS IT SHOULD BE UPDATED.

SO LAST, UH, AUGUST, UH, JULY, AUGUST, WE GOT DIRECTION FROM THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE ON WHAT WE SHOULD INCLUDE IN A REVISION.

AND WE RECRUITED PARTICIPANTS TO JOIN US IN THIS PLAN REVISION PROCESS LAST SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER.

AND THEN WE KICKED OFF THE PROCESS WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE AND FIVE DIFFERENT ADVISORY GROUPS OVER 20 CITY STAFF REPRESENTING LIKE 10 DEPARTMENTS, 120 PLUS COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, STARTED LAST NOVEMBER TO DIVE IN AND CREATE THIS PLAN REVISION PROCESS.

SO BETWEEN THEN AND NOW THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF DONATED TIME.

THIS HAS REALLY BEEN LIKE A COMMUNITY CITY COCREATION PROCESS WHERE WE'RE STEERING COMMITTEE AND ADVISORY GROUPS.

THEY MEET EVERY OTHER WEEK FOR TWO HOURS.

WE'RE ON LIKE MEETING 20 WITH EACH ONE OF THESE GROUPS.

SO THERE'S FIVE ADVISORY GROUPS AND A COMMITTEE.

SO IT'S LIKE HUNDREDS OF MEETINGS.

I MEAN, JUST A MASSIVE AMOUNT OF COLLABORATION THAT'S OCCURRED BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY TO CREATE THIS STRAP.

EXCELLENT.

UM, JUST VERY QUICKLY WANT TO SHOW YOU ALL THE LIST OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

THESE ARE MEMBERS THAT HAVE DONATED A PARTICULARLY, UM, YOU KNOW, LARGE AMOUNT OF THEIR TIME TO REALLY HELP SORT OF BE THE PLAN'S KIND OF BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND MAKE BIG DECISIONS, GIVE US GUIDANCE ON DIRECTION, LIKE REALLY SORT OF DRIVE, UM, WHAT ENDED UP AND GOT INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN.

UM, SO THESE, THESE STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS WHO REALLY STRIVE TO HAVE A DIVERSE SET OF EYES AND EARS, SO THAT LIKE ON THIS, UM, AND SPECIAL THANKS TO MY ERA CHANGE JOHNSON AND, AND KATIE COIN, WHO'VE BEEN TO CO-CHAIRS THAT REALLY HELPED ME CRAFT THIS, THIS WORLD.

OKAY.

SO WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED THIS PLANNING EFFORT, YOU KNOW, LAST SUMMER, IT BECAME REALLY CLEAR FROM, UH, OUR, THE DRUNK SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE THAT WE NEEDED TO VOTE CENTER EQUITY IN THIS

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PROCESS.

AND SO WE HADN'T DONE THAT BEFORE.

UM, THE OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY, HADN'T DONE THAT IN LIKE A PLANNING PROCESS, AND WE STARTED CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE WITH COMMUNITY AND WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND IT STARTS WITH THIS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALSO HAS BEEN NAMED AS, UH, ONE OF THE MOST ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITIES IN THE COUNTRY, WHICH ESSENTIALLY JUST MEANS IT'S ONE OF THE MOST SEGREGATED CITIES IN THE COUNTRY.

UM, IT GOES BACK TO PRE 1928 MASTER PLAN, BUT THEN REALLY WAS LIKE AND CITY POLICIES WITH A 28 MASTER PLAN DIVIDING, UM, THE CITY AND, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY SEGREGATING THE CITY, UM, WHICH LED TO ENVIRONMENTAL INJUSTICES, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE 19 HUNDREDS, UM, WHICH HAS NOW LED TO A MASSIVE, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, MASSIVE GENTRIFICATION GOING ON WITH DECLINE OF AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

UM, UH, THERE ARE MASSIVE ECONOMIC INEQUALITIES GOING ON WITH HOMEOWNERSHIP.

AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, COVID-19 HAS REALLY EXPOSED ACID HEALTH DISPARITIES THAT ARE ALSO OCCURRING IN OUR, SO I THINK IT JUST GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT LIKE THESE INEQUITIES WERE STARTED A LONG TIME AGO, IT REALLY PERPETUATED FOR THE LAST CENTURY AND THEY EXIST TODAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE MORE THAT WE STARTED THINKING ABOUT ALL THE CITY STAFF AND HOW, UH, WE DO A PLANNING EFFORT, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT WE COULDN'T BE IGNORED IT'S THAT THIS IS IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S INSEPARABLE FROM WORK THAT THE CITY DOES TO NOT THINK ABOUT PRESS EXCELLENT.

WELL, AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A CLIMATE PLAN.

SO, UH, AND WHEN WE SAY CLIMATE PLAN, WE MEAN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EMITTING MILLIONS OF TONS OF GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE FROM BURNING OIL, COAL AND NATURAL GAS.

AND WE NEED TO DRAMATICALLY REDUCE THOSE EMISSIONS.

UH, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, GLOBALLY EMISSIONS HAVE NOT STARTED TO COME DOWN YET.

THERE'VE BEEN LOTS OF COMMITMENTS, LOTS OF ACTION.

YOU KNOW, LOCAL EMISSIONS HAS STARTED TO COME DOWN, BUT THE SENSE OF URGENCY AND A NEED FOR DRAMATIC ACTION, LIKE IT'S JUST GROWING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

I MEAN, ONE DEGREE ON TO RECEIVE WARMING HAS ALREADY OCCURRED ON THE EARTH AND WE ARE RAPIDLY MOVING TOWARDS LIKE, WELL, MORE THAN TWO DIFFERENT, SEE A WARMING DRAMATIC ACTION, SOMETHING THAT'S FINE.

SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE, THIS IS ANOTHER LIKE VERY STRONG EQUITY TIME IS THAT WE HAVE DONE A WORK WITH CLIMATE SCIENTISTS ON HOW THE CLIMATE WILL BE CHANGING AND AFFECTING THE AUSTIN AREA.

AND IT MEANS MORE EXTREME HEAT, MORE DROUGHT, MORE WILDFIRE RISK, AND MORE INTENSE, INTENSE RAIN AND FLOODING.

AND THESE THINGS WILL BE HAPPENING.

THIS IS KIND OF THE CLIMATE, AS WE KNOW IT IN CENTRAL TEXAS, BUT THESE THINGS WILL BE INCREASING IN THEIR INTENSITY, INCREASING IN THEIR FREQUENCY AND THE LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE THOSE THAT ARE MOST DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BY THESE CLIMATE ASSETS.

SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES YOU CAN DEAL WITH EXTREMELY, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE RESOURCES, EXTREME HEAT IS A REALLY BIG PROBLEM.

UM, SO IT JUST BECAME CLEAR THAT THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE POINTS WHERE YOU SORT OF CAN'T SEPARATE OUT, FIND THE ACTION FROM, UH, FROM EQUITY SUITS, X, Y.

SO NO, WE STARTED THESE CONVERSATIONS.

WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN.

WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE IT INTERSECTS.

UM, IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OF 2019, WE TOOK EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

SO A HUNDRED AND A HUNDRED PLUS PEOPLE WENT THROUGH, UM, A FULL DAY EQUITY TRAINING.

SO WE HIRED A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER GUY NAMED DR.

TONY WARD.

HE, UH, WORKED WITH OUR OFFICE AND CREATED A ONE DAY SORT OF LIKE IMMERSION WHERE WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, 30, 35 PEOPLE AT A TIME GO THROUGH THIS FULL DAY, UM, DISCUSSION SORT OF UNPACKING OF WHAT IS EQUITY AND FIND IT MEAN WHERE DO THEY INTERSECT? SO WHERE ARE WE, WHERE ARE WE FOUND THAT THEY INTERSECTED WITH THESE SEVEN VALUES IN THE MIDDLE? SO WHEN WE REALLY START STARTING TO UNPACK SPECIFICALLY, WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY ELIMINATING USE OF FOSSIL FUELS? AND THEN WHAT DO WE MEAN WHEN WE SAY ELIMINATING DISPARITIES THAT CAN BE PREDICTED BY RACE? WE MEAN, UH, HEALTH AFFORDABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY, CULTURAL PRESERVATION, COMMUNITY ACIDY, JUST TRANSITION AND ACCOUNTABILITY AND GREENING GIRLS AND STRATEGIES, AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE IN A WAY THAT SPECIFICALLY BENEFIT LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES USE FIRST IN OUR IMPLEMENTATION.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IN THIS IS THAT, UH, IF WE'RE NOT PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING EQUITY IN THE CITY PLAN LIKE THIS, IN HOW IT'S DESIGNED, WE WILL JUST BE PERPETUATING THOSE INEQUITIES OF THE PAST AND PERPETUATING THAT INJUSTICE.

AND SO, UM, THIS EFFORT IS, IS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO MOVE THOSE ACTIONS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

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EXCELLENT.

SO, UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME OF THE QUANTITATIVE ANALYSIS IN THIS PRESENTATION.

THERE'S A LOT MORE IN THE, UH, WE HAVE A FULL, UH, CARBON DASHBOARD THAT HAS ALL OF THE NUMBERS AND ANALYSIS ON THIS.

UM, BUT SORT OF THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT, UH, THE BASELINE FOR COMMUNITY WIDE ADMISSIONS IN 2010 WAS FOUR 14 MILLION METRIC TONS OF EMISSIONS.

THIS IS OR TRICITY NATURAL GAS, ALL THE TRANSPORTATION FUELS, INDUSTRIAL EMISSIONS, REFRIGERANT, EMISSIONS, AND WEIGHTS.

UM, THOSE EMISSIONS HAVE BEEN COMING DOWN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST DECADE.

AND YOU SEE WHAT THE GLUE WAS, A GLUE AS A PROJECTION TO THE FUTURE IS, UH, THROUGH IMPLEMENTING AUSTIN ENERGY'S, UH, RESOURCE PLAN.

THAT'S WHERE IT'S PROJECTED.

THOSE EMISSIONS WILL GO.

SO AS YOU SEE, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS ARE VERY SOON TO BE THE FINAL, UH, UH, WARDS MAJORITY WITH THE EMISSIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE INITIAL, UH, THE INITIAL GOAL THAT WAS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL WAS NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050.

UH, THE STEERING COMMITTEE FOR THIS PLANNING EFFORT IS RECOMMENDING IN THE STRAP PLAN IN FOR COUNCIL ADOPTION, THAT THE GOAL WILL BE CHANGED TO NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2040 WITH A STEEP LINE, AND THEN AIMING FOR NEGATIVE EMISSIONS.

AND, AND THEY'RE DOING THAT BECAUSE THE SCIENCE TELLS US FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM , BUT, UM, LET'S CITIES NEED TO BE TAKING MORE DRAMATIC ACTION SOONER IF WE'RE GOING TO AVOID THE WORST UPON CHANGE.

SO THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT'S COMING FORWARD AS PART OF THIS POINT.

EXCELLENT.

SO, WELL, WE FOCUS ON THIS PLANNING EFFORT.

SO, UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A, WE HAD A CHALLENGE WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, STOKING OUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO REALLY FOCUS ON? UM, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN ENERGY HAS ITS PLANNING EFFORT, BUT IT, UH, THE RESOURCE PLAN WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR.

UM, EARLIER THIS YEAR, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PROJECT CONNECT JAN'S, THERE'S ETE PLANS, THERE'S WATER PLANS, THERE'S YOUR WASTE PLANS.

SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE FOCUS ON THE RIGHT TOPICS THAT ARE GONNA NOT OVERSTEP INTO THESE OTHER TOPIC AREAS, BUT REALLY BRING NEW SPECIFIC TARGETED TOPICS TO THE TABLE.

SO WHAT WE ENDED UP WITH THESE BOYS, THESE FIVE AREAS, SO SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS, TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION, TRANSPORTATION, LAND, USE NATURAL SYSTEMS AND CONSUMPTION, AND THE NATURAL SYSTEMS AND CONSUMPTION ARE SORT OF TWO BRAND NEW AREAS.

EXCELLENT.

SO I BELIEVE ON THE PHONE, DO WE HAVE ON THE PHONE SALINE? HEY, SO SALINAS, UH, OUR OFFICE, UH, FOR THIS PLAN COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SPECIALIST, SHE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT FEW SLIDES REALLY BRIEFLY, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS ON THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES.

THANK YOU, ZACH.

HI EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS .

UM, LIKE ZACH SAID, I'VE BEEN WITH ME ENGAGEMENT SPECIALISTS WITH PROCESSES SUSTAINABILITY FOR A YEAR NOW, UM, FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT FOR THE NEW CLIMATE PLAN.

UM, HERE WE HAVE THE EQUITY PROCESS OUTLINED, UH, FOR ADVISORY GROUPS.

THIS WAS ADOPTED FROM THE GOVERNMENT ALLIANCE ON RACE AND EQUITY, THEIR, UM, RACIAL EQUITY TOOLKIT, WHICH IS WHAT THE EQUITY OFFICE USES FOR THEIR ASSESSMENT REPORTS.

AND, UM, THIS IS PROVIDED FOR ALL ADVISORY GROUPS TO HELP DEVELOP THEIR GOALS AND STRATEGIES.

UM, LIKE ZACH MENTIONED, WE DID HAVE A CLIMATE EQUITY WORKSHOP THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE IN.

SO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND MAJOR LEGACIES OF, UM, RACIAL EQUITY HERE IN AUSTIN GROUPS ALSO LOOKED AT DATA, UM, INCLUDING THAT DEMOGRAPHIC DATA, UH, TO FOCUS IN ON THEIR, UH, TARGET AREAS WHERE THE GROUPS TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE GOALS INCLUDE A CLIMATE EQUITY COMPONENT.

UM, WE ALSO HAD AN EQUITY TOOL THAT WAS DEVELOPED, UH, THAT WAS CO-CREATED WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT SERVED ON OUR STEERING COMMITTEE.

AND THE EQUITY TOOL WAS JUST A SERIES OF QUESTIONS BASED ON THE 17TH THAT ZACH MENTIONED EARLIER, SUCH AS HEALTH AFFORDABILITY, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND SO ON.

UM, AND WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, WHAT THAT LOOKED LIKE, THAT IT WAS JUST A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, UM, THAT ALL OF THE GROUPS, UH, KIND OF RAN THEIR GOLDEN STRATEGIES, BUT TO ALSO THINK ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION, TO USE THAT TOOL AS WELL FOR, UM, FURTHER OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT, AND WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO ONE OF THE MAJOR, UM, ENGAGEMENT COMPONENTS OF THE COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN WAS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMMUNITY CLIMATE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM.

UH, WE HAD 12 INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE SELECTED AND THEY WERE COMPENSATED TO FACILITATE THEIR OWN CLIMATE CONVERSATIONS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND WE HAD A LOT OF REALLY GREAT, WE HAD A REALLY GREAT COHORT THIS YEAR.

UM, THIS IS NEW A PILOT PROGRAM FOR ENGAGEMENT, AND EACH OF THEM PASSENGERS WANTED TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT RELEVANT FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES, SUCH AS LANGUAGE ACCESS FOR LIKE SPANISH SPEAKERS,

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UM, CULTURAL CONNECTION, UH, HISTORY OF DISPLACEMENT AND LOSS OF CULTURE.

AND, UM, EVEN SOME OTHER FOLKS FOCUS ON PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES.

AND SO WE HAD A LOT OF GREAT TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS, AND THIS IS JUST HELPFUL FOR US TO JUST THINK ABOUT FURTHER OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT FOR OUR OFFICE AND HOW WE DO OUR COMMUNICATIONS, BUT ALSO DEVELOPING A COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH DIFFERENT COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

SO REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE THIS GROUP WITH US, UM, LEARNED A LOT.

AND WE HAD A PANEL THAT OCCURRED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

WE HAD SIX OF OUR AMBASSADORS TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE AND THAT'S AVAILABLE ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA ON OUR FACE, BUT THERE'S A FACEBOOK LIVE RECORDING OF THAT.

AND I'M GONNA GIVE IT BACK TO ZACH TO GO OVER THE DRAFT GOALS AND STRATEGY.

EXCELLENT.

SO THE NEXT SLIDE.

OKAY.

SO NOW INTO, UM, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S IN THIS DRAFT PLAN WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

EXCELLENT.

SO IN SUMMARY, THERE ARE 18 QUANTITATIVE GOALS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH IN THESE FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS.

AND THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON WHAT DO WE NEED TO ACHIEVE BY 2030 TO KEEP US ON TRACK.

AND THEN THERE ARE 75 STRATEGIES THAT ARE PROPOSED AND THEY ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO WE, IN THE FIRST PLAN, WE KIND OF GOT INTO THIS LONG RANGE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT 20 YEARS OUT AND WE'VE KIND OF REMOVED THAT STUFF.

SO THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSES ON NEAR TERM ACTIONS, THE WAY THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT ABOUT HOW WE INCLUDED EQUITY PROCESS.

SO, UM, THE SPECIFICS OF HOW, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY NOT SEE IT IN THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES AS THEY'RE LISTED IN THIS LIKE HIGH LEVEL SUMMARY IN THIS PRESENTATION.

BUT AS YOU, YOU KNOW, DIVE INTO THE SPECIFICS IN THE DOCUMENT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE LOTS OF PRIORITIZATION OF INCENTIVES AND TARGETED COMMUNICATIONS AND CENTERING COMMUNITIES OF COLOR IN ONGOING WORK AND LIKE IMPLEMENTATION SPECIFIC FOCUS ON ANTI-DISPLACEMENT POLICIES AND STRATEGIES WHERE POSSIBLE, UH, FOCUSING ON ADJUST, TRANSITION, LOTS OF CONVERSATION ABOUT JOBS, TRAINING AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP, SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN THIS TRANSITION.

AND THEN FINALLY, REALLY A FOCUS ON HEALTH BENEFITS, THE EASTERN CRESCENT COMMUNITY, THE NEXT SLIDE.

SO THERE ARE THREE CORE CROSS-CUTTING STRATEGIES THAT KIND OF CAME UP OUT OF ALL OF THE PFIZER GROUPS THAT GO ACROSS THE WHOLE THING.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS REALLY WORKING HARD TO CREATE A NEW EFFORT AROUND GREEN JOBS, ENTREPRENEURSHIP, TO ADVANCE, UM, MORE WORK IN THIS AREA.

THE NEXT ONE IS AROUND REGIONAL COLLABORATION.

WE HAVE TO BE MORE SUCCESSFUL WITH ELABORATING WITH OR SURROUNDING CITIES COUNTIES BECAUSE WE SORT OF DRAW OUR EMISSIONS, GOT COUNTY, THE CITY, THE CITY LINE, BUT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, OUR COMMUNITY IS MUCH MORE THAN, THAN JUST THE CITY.

SO I'M EXPANDING BEYOND THERE AS WELL AS LOOKING AT STATEWIDE.

AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S A STRATEGY ON CARBON OFFSETS AND CARBON DIOXIDE REMOVAL, SORT OF LIKE REALIZING THAT WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO REDUCE EMISSIONS LOCALLY, BUT WE'RE LIKELY GOING TO HAVE TO BE ALSO, UM, INVESTING IN REDUCTIONS OUTSIDE OF THIS COMMUNITY TO GET EMISSIONS DOWN A BASELINE.

IT'S THE NEXT SLIDE? SO I WON'T GO THROUGH THE SPECIFICS HERE.

YOU GUYS ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

I JUST PUT THIS SLIDE IN HERE BECAUSE WHICH 20, 30 AUSTIN ENERGY RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN IMPLEMENTING THAT PLAN FULLY IS ESSENTIAL TO REACHING AS CARBON GOALS.

SO WHILE THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE COMMUNITY FINAL PLAN PROCESS, THIS BEING IMPLEMENTED IS LIKE THESE DIDN'T FULLY CONSIDER IT AS LIKE PART OF THE COHESIVE SORT OF WHAT COMMUNITY CLIMATE STRATEGY.

EXCELLENT.

OKAY.

THE FIVE AREAS.

SO I'M JUST GOING TO HIT ALL THE GOALS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, EACH ONE OF THESE ADVISORY GROUP AREAS.

SO FIRST STARTED STARTING WAS SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS.

AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO AGAIN, STAY AWAY FROM AUSTIN ENERGY SPECIFIC PLAN.

SO FIRST THE GOAL HERE IS AROUND DECARBONIZING BUILDINGS AND WORKING TOWARDS NET ZERO BUILDINGS FOR ALL NEW BUILDINGS BY 2030, AND THEN IN 25% OF EXISTING BUILDINGS.

AND THEN EVENTUALLY MOVING TO EVENTUALLY ALL OF THAT ZERO BUILDINGS.

THE NEXT IS 2030, REDUCING COMMUNITY-WIDE REFRIGERANT LEAKAGE.

SO THE REFRIGERANTS, THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE IN ALL OF OUR AIR CONDITIONERS COOLERS, FREEZERS, THOSE CHEMICALS LEAK A LOT.

AND, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT CAN BE DONE TO REDUCE THOSE THAT WE COULD BE DIGITAL EMISSIONS.

THE NEXT ONE IS THE EMBODIED CARBON FOOTPRINT OF BUILDING MATERIALS, TRYING TO REDUCE THOSE EMISSIONS, UH, WHEN CONSTRUCTION BY 40%, UH, BY 2030, UH, THE CHOICES THAT WE MAKE, THE UPSTREAM EMISSIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THINGS LIKE STEEL AND CONCRETE HAVE AN OUTSIZED IMPACT WHEN WE'RE

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DOING ALL THIS NEW CONSTRUCTION, ACTUALLY.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS A CONNECTION TO WATER.

UM, SO BY 2030 WORK TO EQUITABLY ACHIEVE, UH, A COMMUNITY WIDE WATER DEMAND OF 150,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR.

SO THAT'S LIKE THE LOW OF CURRENT LEVEL.

SO REALLY TRYING TO LIKE PUSH FORWARD THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WATER ENERGY NEXUS AND, UH, SUPPORTING AUSTIN WATER IN EACH OF THE PARTS.

NEXT SLIDE IS TRANSPORTATION AND LAND USE.

SO THERE WERE TWO SECTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE IT IS VERY SOON TO BE THE LARGEST SOURCE OF, AND WE ARE HEAVILY, YOU KNOW, A RELIANT ON GASOLINE AND DIESEL POWER AND TRANSPORTATION.

SO THE FIRST TWO GOALS OR AROUND FOCUSING FUTURE GROWTH IN CITIES, GROWTH CENTERS, AND THEN POLICIES TO BUILD MORE HOUSING FOCUS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY TO KEEP PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY BECAUSE AS PEOPLE, AS DEVELOPMENT NEWS FOR FURTHER OUT AS IT IS LESS AND LESS CONNECTED, THAT JUST INCREASES TRANSPORTATION.

THE SECOND TWO GOALS HERE AROUND, UH, SUPPORTING PUBLIC TRANSIT, OF COURSE, ADOPTING PROJECT CONNECT AND FULLY BUILDING THAT OUT WOULD BE ESSENTIAL FOR US TO GET TO THIS LEVEL OF 5% TOTAL THIS AND STRADDLED ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

WE'RE CURRENTLY AT LESS THAN 1% OF ALL TRIPS ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL DISTANCE.

AND THEN THE LAST GOAL HERE IS AROUND ENABLING MORE BIKING, WALKING, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT JUST DON'T USE CARS BECAUSE IN THIS SECTOR, IT'S VERY EASY TO JUST JUMP TO ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT THE BEST AND LOWEST CARBON SOLUTION IS TO JUST HAVE PEOPLE NOT HAVE TO.

EXCELLENT.

SO NOT THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO, TO CREATE HIS FULL TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION, UH, SECTION OF THE PLAN.

SO THIS SECTION HAS THREE GOALS.

THE FIRST GOAL IS BY 2032, TO TRY TO GET TO 40% OF TOTAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED ON THE ROAD AND THE CITY OF AUSTIN BE ELECTRIFIED AND HAVE THAT OWNERSHIP BE DIVERSE CULTURALLY, GEOGRAPHICALLY, ECONOMICALLY.

UM, THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 460,000 ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

SO THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, IN THE REALM OF POSSIBLE A VERY AGGRESSIVE TARGET.

NEXT RULE IS AROUND HAVING COMPELLING EQUITABLY, DISTRIBUTED CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT IS A BROAD MIX OF TYPES IS ACCESSIBLE WORLD COSTS AND EASILY USABLE FOR ALL IN REACHING THE DEMAND AND THE USE OF THIS HIGH PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THE VEHICLES.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS AROUND REALLY STRIVING TO MAKE OUR MSA A REAL LIKE REGIONAL LEADER IN TRANSPORTATION, ELECTRIFICATION, AND REALLY BUILD ON THAT LIKE ECONOMIC CLUSTER IDEA.

AND, UM, AS WELL AS IN TERMS OF LIKE SUPPORTING SO BURDEN DRIVERS TO SUBURBAN DRIVERS ARE OFTEN THE ONES THAT HAVE THE LARGEST CARBON FOOTPRINTS SPEND THE MOST ON BASS, UM, WORKING TO REALLY SUPPORT THOSE TRIPS, EVEN FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

EXCELLENT.

SO THIS IS A BRAND NEW SECTION TO THE PLAN.

UM, IT'S MOVING BEYOND JUST FOCUSING ON LIKE THE SECOND I'M POSTING, THE IDEA HERE IS TO LOOK SORT OF UPSTREAM.

UH, SO THERE'S A GOAL AROUND FOOD, UH, PROMOTING, UH, ACCESS FOR PRO CLIMATE PRO HEALTH FOOD.

UH, THERE'S A GOAL AROUND INSTITUTIONAL PURCHASING TRYING TO REDUCE THE UPSTREAM IMPACT OF LARGE PURCHASING INSTITUTIONS.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE AROUND SU SUPPORTING AWESOME RECOVERY IN THEIR REVISE TO YOUR WASTE PLAN, UM, AND ENCOURAGING MORE AND MORE CIRCULAR ECONOMY.

EXCELLENT.

SO THE LAST SYSTEM LAST SECTION, THIS IS A BRAND NEW SECTION FOR THIS PLAN AND KIND OF A NEW SECTION FOR CLIMATE PLANS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

SO HERE, THE IDEA IS THAT THE TREES, THE AGRICULTURE, EVERYTHING THAT'S ALIVE AROUND US, THAT YOU SEE TO USE A CO2 TO LIVE AND GROW CAN PLAY A ROLE IN SEQUESTERING CARBON FROM THE ATMOSPHERE.

SO THERE ARE FOUR GOALS HERE AROUND, UH, INCREASING CARBON SEQUESTRATION IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO PROTECTING CARBON COOLS, INCREASING CARBON COOLS ON NATURAL LANDS, UM, PROTECTING FARMLAND IN THE FIVE COUNTY REGION AND ENCOURAGING REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE, UH, INCREASING TREE CANOPY IN OUR CITY, UH, AND THEN FINALLY, UH, MANAGING CARBON ON CITY OWNED LANDS AND HAVING PLANS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE, UH, AT LEAST NEUTRAL OR CARBON NEGATIVE IN OUR MANAGEMENT CITY.

SO NEXT SLIDE, THAT'S ALL THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES.

UM, I'M JUST GONNA TOUCH ON THESE REALLY QUICKLY.

THIS IS 2020, AND THIS IS PROJECTING OUT TO 2030, WHERE, SO IF YOU, IF WE ACTUALLY REACH ALL OF THOSE QUANTITATIVE GOALS THAT I TALKED ABOUT, WE CREATED THIS, UH, ONLINE TABLO DASHBOARD MODEL WHERE YOU CAN TWEAK INPUTS AND OUTPUTS AND, AND PROJECT WHERE WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE WITH EMISSIONS.

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SO THE LINE AT THE TOP IS THAT'S THE SORT OF BUSINESS AS USUAL WHERE EMISSIONS WOULD GO AND STOPPED IMPLEMENT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE DARK BLUE THERE.

THAT'S IMPLEMENTING AUSTIN ENERGY'S PLANS CREATES THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF EMISSION REDUCTIONS OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 10 YEARS.

THEN IF YOU STACK UP, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR, OLD BUILDINGS AND REFRIGERANTS AND ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND TRANSIT AND BIKING, WALKING, THOSE ADDITIONAL COLORS ARE THE ADDITIONAL REDUCTIONS THAT WE WOULD GET FROM IMPLEMENTING AND BEING SUCCESSFUL IN THAT AREA.

UM, AND WHAT'S WHAT THE GOAL LINE THAT'S DISPLAYED HERE IS THE GET TO ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2040.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW YOU'RE DOING AN ANALYSIS LIKE THIS.

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO NOT LIKE MAKE THE GOALS UNREALISTIC JUST TO MAKE THEM MATCH THE TARGET.

SO WE FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS MODEL THE REALM OF LIKE, WHAT IS POSSIBLE IN REALITY.

AND IT, WHAT THE DATA SHOWS IS THAT WE WOULD LIKELY STILL HAVE A GAP BY 2030, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY UPWARDS OF 3 MILLION TONS PER YEAR.

UM, AND THEN POTENTIALLY NOT REACH THAT TARGET, UM, IN 23RD, NEXT SLIDE.

SO THIS, UH, THIS IS THE SORT OF THE SUBTRACTION, SO THE GAP, UM, SO WHEN YOU CAN SEE THAT, UH, WE ADDED ON NATURAL SYSTEM SEQUESTRATIONS HERE.

SO THOSE NATURAL SYSTEMS, UM, REDUCTIONS, THEY AREN'T REALLY EMISSION REDUCTIONS THEY'RE, UH, NEGATIVE EMISSIONS THAT YOU WOULD APPLY LIKE TO SUBTRACT OFF.

SO IT'S ESTIMATED THAT WE COULD REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL 700,000 TONS OF EMISSIONS SYSTEMS. UM, SO THERE WOULD STILL LIKELY BE AN ADMISSION STAFF OF OVER 2 MILLION METRIC TONS PER YEAR.

SO THEN WE WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT OFFSETS AND HOW WOULD WE PROCURE OFFSETS AND WHAT KIND OF OFFSETS WOULD BE SO EXCELLENT.

SO, UH, LIKE I SAID, AT THE BEGINNING, THANKS SO MUCH FOR LISTENING.

I KNOW THAT'S A TON OF INFORMATION.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

UH, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD WAS GOING TO BE OPEN FOR THE NEXT, UH, 16 DAYS.

WE'RE DOING ALL OF THESE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS PRESENTATIONS.

AND THEN IN OCTOBER WE WILL BE DOING OUR FINAL REVISIONS AND PRESENTING TO COUNCIL, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, VERY LATE OCTOBER OR EARLY NOVEMBER.

AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, MR. BOMBER.

THAT WAS REALLY INTERESTING.

AND, UH, I SAID A LOT OF INFORMATION.

I KNOW, I EXPECT THAT SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO HAVE QUESTIONS.

UM, AND I THOUGHT I WOULD JUST KICK IT OFF BY SAYING THAT I'M, I'M REALLY, UM, PROUD OF AND HAPPY WITH THE AUSTIN ENERGY PORTION OF, UM, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LEADING THE PACK TO A NET ZERO AND HOW, HOW SIGNIFICANT THAT IMPACT IS WHEN, WHEN WE SEE, UH, THE GRAPH THAT YOU PROVIDE A PORTION OF, YOU KNOW, CARBON EMISSIONS DRAMATICALLY REDUCING AND BEING, YOU KNOW, REALLY A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING UP, GETTING UP TO THAT NET ZERO POINT.

SO I'M REALLY, I'M REALLY HAPPY AND PROUD ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THAT.

SO GOOD, GOOD WORK.

OFTEN ENERGY PUT UP.

UM, AND, AND SO THEN I I'LL JUST GO TO ONE OF MY FIRST QUESTIONS HERE.

THIS IS ON, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SLIDES AREN'T NUMBERED, SO I DON'T KNOW, BUT, BUT THIS IS GOLD BY 2030, AUSTIN HAS COMPELLING AN EQUITY EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTED CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS A MIX OF LEVEL ONE, TWO, AND DC FAST CHARGING TO ACCOMMODATE 40% OF THE TOTAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.

UM, I, I I'M SURE COMMISSIONER PUDDLE IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE, UH, ENLIGHTENED QUESTIONS, BUT I, BUT I HAD SORT OF JUST SOME BROAD STROKE QUESTIONS HERE.

HAVE YOU GUYS INTERACTED WITH, UM, UH, AUTHOR ENERGY STAFF ON, ON THIS GOAL AND, AND HOW THAT, THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED OR, OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS COMING TO AUSTIN ENERGY AFTER IT'S ADOPTED AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN? SO, UH, ONLY ADVISORY GROUP THAT WORKED ON THAT SECTION, UM, CAMERON FREEBIRD AND CARL POPPIN WERE ON THE TEAM.

I WORKED DIRECTLY WITH THEM.

SO TO DEVELOP THAT SECTION OF THE PLAN, UM, AND DAVE TUTTLE WAS ALSO ON THAT ADVISORY GROUP.

SO HE HELPED SHAPE THAT.

UM, IT'S NOT IN THE SLIDES, BUT THERE, YEAH, THERE WAS KIND OF A NEXT LEVEL OF DETAIL DONE TO DETAIL OUT.

OKAY, IF YOU HAD THAT MANY VEHICLES AND IT WAS SPLIT BETWEEN LIGHT DUTY AND HEAVY DUTY, WHAT WOULD THE ACTUAL LIKE NUMBER OF KILOWATT HOURS AND AMOUNT OF KILOWATT DEMAND AND NUMBER OF, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE AVAILABLE.

ALL OF THAT MATH AND SPECIFICS HAS BEEN DONE, UM, AND SHARED WITH THE ADVISORY GROUP, AS WELL AS SHARED WITH STAFF WHO WORK ON INCLUSION IN THEIR CLAIM.

SO GREAT.

OKAY.

THANKS.

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DO WE HAVE ANY SENSE OF ABOUT THE, THE COST OBVIOUSLY, UM, IMPLEMENTING THAT THAT NUMBER OF, UH, CHARGING IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EXPENSIVE, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE A REVENUE OFFSET I ASSUME.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY INFORMATION ABOUT, UM, COSTS? I DO NOT.

WE DID NOT DEVELOP COSTS FOR ANY OR ANY OF THESE GOALS.

I MEAN, THIS IS THE VISIONARY WORK IS WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE? SO THE, THE PLAN IS AFTER THIS IS ADOPTED, WE ARE GOING TO STAND UP IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING GROUPS FOR EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS.

AND THERE WILL BE A SPECIFIC COST TIMELINE BUDGET.

THAT'S THE REVENUE IS GOING TO BE, UH, UH, WHERE'S THE FUNDING GOING TO COME FROM? THERE WILL BE A SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPED FOR EACH ONE OF THESE, UH, EACH ONE OF THESE GOAL AREAS.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT STEP.

SO THIS IS THE CONCEPT OF THIS PLAN IS LIKE ADOPT WHAT NEEDS TO GET ACHIEVED AND THEN WE COME BACK WITH COSTS.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAD.

I'LL FOLLOW ON JUST BECAUSE IT'S A RELATED QUESTION.

I THINK IN TERMS OF HOW WE DO THE COST ASSESSMENT, I I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE PLAN.

I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR UPFRONT, VERY, VERY SUPPORTIVE.

I SEE IT AS A VISION DOCUMENT WITH DETAILS TO FOLLOW.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ENCOURAGE THAT OR ASK, WHAT DO YOU ENVISION AS THE, UH, THE NORMALIZATION OR THE BASIS OF COMPARISON, UH, BETWEEN THE PLANS? BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS A CLIMATE PROTECTION PLAN, THE OVERARCHING GOAL OF THIS KNOW GREENHOUSE GAS REDUCTION.

NOW IT'S JUST GONNA ENCOURAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN POSSIBLE THAT WE DO TRY TO TRANSLATE THAT TO, TO THE EFFECTIVE COST PER METRIC TON CO2 EQUIVALENT.

THAT'S KIND OF THE UNIVERSAL NORM.

I GUESS I WAS JUST ASKING, IS THAT KIND OF THE BASIS OF COMPARISON YOU SEE BETWEEN THE PROGRAM? SO WE CAN ASSESS WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE MOST BANG FOR OUR BUCK IN TERMS OF, UH, APPLYING, UH, DOLLARS TO PROJECTS.

ABSOLUTELY.

COST WOULD BE THE FIRST PLACE THAT WE WOULD GO.

UM, THERE'S GOING TO BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE SORT OF COMPLICATING FACTOR OF EQUITY AND EQUITY BENEFIT.

HOW DO WE FACTOR IN AN EQUITY BENEFIT IN WITH PROSPER? CAUSE LIKE IT'S ON, YOU KNOW, IS IT NECESSARILY ALWAYS APPLES TO APPLES IF IT'S ME VERSUS ANOTHER PERSON? SO YOU STILL GOT WORK TO DO THERE, BUT YOU KNOW, YES.

THE INITIAL PLACE WE'LL START WITH.

YEAH.

AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

CERTAINLY THAT'S NOT THE END ALL BE ALL A VALUE BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, VALUES THAT STACK ON TOP OF THAT.

THEY'RE INDEPENDENT OF THAT, THAT PARTICULAR FACTOR.

BUT THANK YOU.

OH, SORRY.

GO AHEAD, CARRIE.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, AS IT TURNS OUT, THE AREAS THAT I HAVE THE MOST EXPERTISE IN ARE THE TWO BIGGEST CHUNKS OF YOUR GRAPH.

UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS, IS THE AUSTIN ENERGY GIN PLAN.

I HAVE A HUNDRED PERCENT CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIT, THAT WE SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND EFFORT AS THIS ENTIRE GROUP KNOWS, UH, COMING UP WITH DETAILED PLANS ON HOW WE GET THERE.

AND FRANKLY, WE CONTROL IT.

WE OWN THE UTILITY.

WE GET TO DECIDE WHAT WE BUY.

WE GET TO DECIDE HOW WE IMPLEMENT IT.

UM, AND THAT'S A PART OF THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS FOR THE UTILITY.

UM, THE NEXT BIGGEST CHUNK IS YOUR TRANSPORTATION ELECTRIFICATION PIECE.

I'M ON THE BOARD OF TECH CETERA.

UM, SO WE'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT IN, IN, UH, COMPATIBILITY WITH YOUR GOALS.

UH, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST AS AN OBSERVATION, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF LEVERS ON THE TRANSPORTATION PIECE.

UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME, UH, SOME ITEMS IN YOUR TRANSPORTATION PIECE THAT TO ME SEEM LIKE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE VERY REALISTIC SUBSIDIZING PEOPLE TO BUY ELECTRIC VEHICLES IS AN INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE THING THAT WE'VE NEVER HAD A BUDGET FOR.

MEANWHILE, THERE ARE THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE SUBSIDIZING THOSE THINGS IN A BIG WAY RIGHT NOW.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS US GOING OUT AND MAKING SURE THAT WE BUILD A BUNCH OF, UH, CHARGING STATIONS.

YOU STILL GOT TO GET PEOPLE TO BUY VEHICLES.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CONTROL A LITTLE BIT WHAT CAP METRO METRO'S DOING AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, THE BUS FLEET, UH, IS DOING, MAYBE NOT DIRECTLY BUT INDIRECTLY.

UH, BUT

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I'M JUST TRYING TO POINT OUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT IF THAT'S SUCH A BIG CHUNK OF MEETING THE GOALS, THAT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF LEVERAGE THERE.

UM, AND, UM, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE HANGING SO MUCH, UM, HOPE ON SOMETHING WHERE WE DON'T, WE DON'T REALLY CONTROL THE RESULT THAT MUCH.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION, UM, BECAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH IT.

I MEAN, IF I HAD MY WAY, WE'D BE A HUNDRED PERCENT ELECTRIFIED TRANSPORTATION TOMORROW, BUT IN FACT, FIGURED OUT A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN EITHER.

SO, UM, UH, THAT'S MY FIRST OBSERVATION, THE SECOND THING IS I WAS WONDERING, WAS THERE A BUNCH OF, UH, UH, PUSHBACK AND, AND DISCUSSION OVER, UH, DOING, UH, OUT OF MARKET OFFSETS, UH, IN YOUR GROUP TO, TO MEET YOUR, THE LAST BIG CHUNK OF YOUR GOAL, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE RESISTED AND AVOIDED AND REFUSE TO DO IT, AUSTIN ENERGY IN ALL OF THE GIN PLANS THAT WE'VE EVER DONE OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS OR SO, UH, THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF PUSHBACK IN THE COMMUNITY SAYING, HEY, WE'RE NOT BUYING THAT.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUST REACH OUR GOALS BY PAYING SOMEBODY ELSE, SUPPOSEDLY TO REACH THEM.

AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THAT A, IS NOW A MORE ACCEPTABLE APPROACH OR WAS THERE PUSHBACK ON THAT? OR, OR HOW DID THAT PLAY OUT? YEP.

SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ON THE ELECTRIC YEAR PERFORMANCE THAT LIKE, IT IS REALLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE DON'T HOLD ALL THE CONTROL LEVERS.

AND WE THINK THAT THE GOALS AND WE THINK THE STRATEGIES IN THERE WILL HELP MOVE IT FORWARD, BUT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE MORE THAT THAT HAPPENS BEYOND JUST WHAT'S IN THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL LEVEL AND THE MANUFACTURERS, LIKE THERE'S GOING HAVE TO BE A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, A MULTITUDE OF OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN FOR US TO GET THERE.

UM, IN TERMS OF OFFSETS, THERE WAS A WORKING GROUP AND THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT OFFSETS.

UM, AND, AND IT'S NOT REALLY THE WAY THAT THAT SLIDE PRESENTS IT AS LIKE, THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD NEED TO OFFSET.

UM, BUT THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED IN THE PLAN IS THAT WE WOULD NOT, WE WOULD NOT USE MORE THAN 10%.

UM, WE WOULD NOT USE MORE THAN USE OFFSETS FOR MORE THAN 10% OF REACHING A GOAL.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BASELINE IS 14 MILLION METRIC TONS, WE WOULDN'T USE MORE THAN 1.4 MILLION TONS OF OFFSETS.

AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY, WE CREATED LIKE A PRIORITIZATION OF LIKE FIRST WE WOULDN'T PRIORITIZE, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENT LOCAL PROJECTS.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF LIKE IF YOU HAVE TO INVEST IN OFFSETS, INVEST LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, OFFSET THAT IS CREATED, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO AUSTIN.

AND THEN IT'S ESSENTIALLY AT THE VERY BOTTOM, IT'S LIKE BY AN OFFSET FROM WHAT'S CREATED FROM FAR AWAY.

SO IT'S NOT PERFECT, BUT THE, AND I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE PRESENTATION CAUSE IT GETS PRETTY WALKIE.

BUT IF YOU LOOK IN THE FULL VERSION OF THE PLAN, THERE'S KIND OF LIKE A FULL EXPLANATION OF THE GROUP'S AND THOUGHTS ON PRIORITIZATION AMOUNTS OF OFFSETS.

THAT WOULD BE LIKE, ALRIGHT, THANKS.

I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW, OH YEAH, GO AHEAD.

SO ONE, TWO COMMENTS FIRST, THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND ALL THE PEOPLE WITH TIME TO DO THIS, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE DOCUMENT.

AND THEN ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT OUR COMMITTEE, MARTY AND OTHERS, NOT ONLY HAS AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAN THIS BECAUSE LOTS OF GENERATION PLAN.

WE ALSO LOOK AT BUILDING CODES AND, AND NEW BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF THIS, UH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OUR ENERGY CODES GOES THROUGH AUSTIN ENERGY.

SO WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ROLE TO PLAY.

ZACH, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, UH, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE MISSING, IT MIGHT NOT, I MIGHT NOT BE READING.

IT IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME LARGE EMPLOYERS, PRIVATE EMPLOYERS IN THE CITY.

UM, HAVE THEY BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS PLAN BECAUSE KIND OF WHAT, LIKE WHAT CARRIE SAID, YOU KNOW, THOSE BIG, IF WE'RE GOING TO ELECTRIFY VEHICLES, THOSE BIG FLEETS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT.

THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE POLLUTION COMES FROM.

UM, AND YOU CAN ELECTRIFY ALL THE, UH, YOU KNOW, SMALL VEHICLES AND IT WILL, IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT THE REAL DIFFERENCES IN THE BIGGER VEHICLES.

SO I DON'T KNOW, HAVE YOU HAD ENGAGEMENT WITH INDUSTRY, BOTH ON THEIR BUILDINGS AND THEIR, AND THEIR FLEETS? SO THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW PARTICIPANTS IN THE PLAN, BUT WE KIND OF WANTED TO STAY AWAY.

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KIND OF DID THAT THE FIRST TIME AROUND INCLUDED MANY ARE BUSINESS REPRESENT BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES, LIKE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS AND SORT OF SKEWED THE PROCESS.

UM, SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE HAVE SENT OUT A, WE HAD A WEBINAR SERIES AND NOW WE'RE HAVING THIS, WHAT'S CALLED THE CLIMATE LEADERS FORUM, WHERE WE HAVE BEEN ASKING MAJOR EMPLOYERS AND BUSINESSES TO LIKE, HANG ON, TO SUPPORT THE PLAN.

AND THEN WE WERE ASKING FOR THEIR LIKE SPECIFIC ONGOING PARTICIPATION AND SUPPORT ON THINGS LIKE ZERO ENERGY BUILDINGS ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND LIKE TRYING TO BUILD THAT SUPPORT SORT OF LIKE PARALLEL.

SO WHEN THE PLANS ADOPTED THAT WE SORT OF CAN SHOW THAT, YES, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, I HELD THESE WEBINARS IN AUGUST.

WE PROBABLY TALKED TO LIKE PROBABLY 60 TO 70 BUSINESSES THAT WERE ON THESE CALLS, MANY OF THEM, THE BIGGEST EMPLOYERS IN AUSTIN.

SO NOW WE'RE ASKING THEM TO LIKE, OKAY, YOU SUPPORT THE PLAN AND THEN HOW CAN WE SPECIFICALLY WORK WITH YEAH.

JUST FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE BUSINESS.

YUP.

YEAH.

AND ANOTHER ONE, I THINK THAT WE GOT A FLAG THAT FOR THE FUTURE SOMETIME, UM, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS THERE A GREAT BENEFIT WHEN YOU START GETTING RID OF NOX AND PM 2.5, THAT'S ALL THE GOOD STUFF.

BUT WHEN YOU GO TO THOSE LARGER VEHICLES AND THEY HAVE MUCH HIGHER POTENTIALLY CHARGE RATES THAT COULD HAVE ACTUALLY, UM, A GREATER INVESTMENT NEEDED, POTENTIALLY IF IT'S NOT PLANNED OUT IN THE DISTRIBUTION INFRASTRUCTURE THAT AEU WOULD HAVE TO INVEST CAP X AND PLAN SEEMS TO THAT AS FAR AS EQUITY IS CONCERNED, UH, DEAL WITH AFFORDABILITY AND TRYING TO STOP DISPLACEMENT IN THE EASTERN CRESCENT, HOW DO YOU DEFINE AFFORDABILITY AND WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH IT? UM, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DEFINITION IN OUR EQUITY TOOL.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS ON AFFORDABILITY.

IT'S PRIMARILY FOCUSED AROUND, UM, INCREASED COST OF HOUSING AND FOOD AND UTILITIES LIKE BASIC LIVING EXPENSES.

UM, ANYTHING THAT SORT OF RAISES THE COST OF THOSE THINGS.

WELL, AFFORDABILITY IS A BIG ISSUE AS YOU KNOW, AND EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE WITH CODING, EXTRA PROJECT CONNECT OR WHATEVER, AND GETTING THAT RIGHT.

IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT TO HAVING THE KIND OF DIVERSITY EQUITY THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE.

I MEAN, IT, AND THERE'S, THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE DO IT, UH, THE MEDIUM SIZED FAMILY AND THERE'S, THERE'S MUCH CONTROVERSY AND GETTING THAT RIGHT IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.

WHAT DO YOU, WHAT KIND OF TOOLS DO YOU RECOMMEND FOR STOPPING DISPLACEMENT? SO, SO DEFINITELY SUPPORTING, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, DEFINITELY SUPPORTING, UM, KEEPING INCREASE IN UTILITY COSTS AND THINGS FROM GROWING UP.

UM, WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TOP OF MIND, WE WOULD NEED TO GO THROUGH AND SORT OF PULL OUT FOR WHAT ARE THE SPECIFIC EXPLICIT STRATEGIES, BUT WE CAN DO THAT.

IT'S UM, THERE WAS, WE SORT OF WENT THROUGH AND LIKE DID A SCREENING OF LIKE, WHEN WE SAY ANTI-DISPLACEMENT, WHAT ARE WE MEAN? AND HOW DOES THAT FIT IN? SO I CAN GO BACK, I CAN PULL THAT OUT AND SEND IT TO JULIE IN YOUR COMMENT, YOU RECOMMENDED PROJECT CONNECT.

WHY DO YOU DO THAT? HOW MUCH BENEFIT IS THERE GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF STOPPING DISPLACEMENT IN DEALING WITH AFFORDABILITY THROUGH PROJECT CONNECT? WELL, I THINK THE, I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE PROJECT CONNECT PROCESS, NOW THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD, THEY ARE DEVELOPING LIKE A WHOLE ANTI-DISPLACEMENT STRATEGY, AN EQUITY COMPONENT TO PROJECT CONNECT AND HOW IT GETS BUILT.

UM, HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT LIKE, JOEL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A FULL WELL IN ADVANCE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN THIS CITY.

LIKE IT IS JUST LIKE, JUST LIKE REACHING THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSION RETARD TARGETS JUST GETS HARDER AND HARDER AND HARDER.

UM, THE CONGESTION IN THE CITY WILL JUST GET WORSE.

I MEAN, LIKE, UM, THERE ARE LOTS OF EQUITY BENEFITS THAT CAN BE CREATED FROM PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IF IT'S DONE IN AN EQUITABLE WAY.

SO WHEN I REALIZE IT'S, IT'S, IT'S COMPLICATED AND IN THE IMPLEMENTATION, LIKE THE CHALLENGES IS THE DETAILS.

UM, BUT WITHOUT ADVANCING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGING TO MEET ANY OF THESE TARGETS.

UH, THE ONE FIREWALL AREA IS DEALING WITH BIKES AND THE EVS I'M HERE IN SEATTLE, SPEAKING OF PM,

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2.5 AND PM 10, WE'RE LOADED WITH IT AT THE MOMENT.

BUT, UM, IN TERMS OF BIKES, UH, THE STUDIES UP HERE THAT'S THE KIND OF A BIKING AREA IS LOW INCOME PEOPLE OR LEONARDI RESIDENTS DON'T USE BIKES TO GO TO WORK.

THEY DON'T USE THEM TO COMMUTE.

THEY DON'T USE THEM FOR RECREATION.

IT DON'T, YOU HAVE AN EQUITY PROBLEM WITH BUGS AND ISN'T THE SAME THING TRUE WITH EVS.

YUP.

YUP.

AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE STRATEGY, BUT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT RIGHT NOW, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE CERTAINLY TRUE.

AND SO HOW CAN WE INCREASE EQUITY AND AVAILABILITY WITH THE USE OF BIKES AND WITH ELECTRIFICATION? ABSOLUTELY.

SO THOSE ARE GOALS YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH.

YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIX THAT SOME WAY.

YEAH.

I MEAN, IN THE, IN THE SPECIFICS OF THE STRATEGY, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE TWO SECTIONS, THERE ARE NUMEROUS ATTEMPTS AT WHAT WOULD A PROGRAM, WHAT WOULD PROGRAMS LOOK LIKE? HOW WOULD YOU FOCUS ACTIONS, EFFORTS TO TRY AND MAKE PROGRESS IN THOSE AREAS? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T THEN JUST CREATE MORE INEQUITIES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONER THAT ARE NOT ON VIDEO, HOW ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER FUNKHOUSER? DO YOU HAVE ANY, I DON'T HAVE ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTION.

YOU KNOW, I'M WITH ME FOR SOME OF THE SAME THINGS THAT ARE MENTIONED, UM, AROUND HOW THEY FILL CROSSWALK BIG HOT CATEGORY.

UM, ALSO WITH THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES DEVELOPING A SECONDARY SECONDARY VEHICLE MARKET, THE LOW INCOME STRATEGY, BUT I REALLY DID HEAR IT OUT, UH, JUST GO BY THERE TOWARDS THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE.

AND I LIKED IT OVERALL, THE VISION DOCUMENT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER HATTON.

YEAH.

AND THE COMMENT, UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANKS TO ZACK AND PHOEBE AND SALINE.

UM, THERE WAS AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF REALLY GREAT WORK THAT WENT INTO THIS AND THE PRODUCT IS REALLY GOOD AND STRONG.

UM, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ONE AREA, UM, THAT WAS THE REDEFINING OF THE NET ZERO CARBON BUILDING DEFINITION AND THE ADVISORY GROUP, UM, THE, UH, WAS OVERSEEING WAS AGREED THAT THE DEFINITION WOULD NOT ALLOW COMBUSTION.

AND NOW I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ALLOWING SOME NATURAL GAS TO BE PART OF THAT.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND POSSIBLY REVISIT THAT.

UM, AND ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO BUILD IN SOMETHING ABOUT HOW WE ENFORCE, UM, BUILDING OWNERS, UM, PURCHASING OFFSETS.

SO, UM, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN AND JUST NEEDS A TINY BIT OF TWEAKING, BUT I THINK WE HAVE MADE INCREDIBLE PROGRESS AND THANK YOU.

IT WAS GOOD TO BE PART OF THE SUSTAINABLE, UH, BUILDING COMMITTEE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER TRUTHFUL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UM, I DO NOT.

I'M, I AM LATE TO, UH, UNDERSTANDING THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

UM, BUT I SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN VOICED ABOUT THE GOALS FOR REDUCTION IN TRANSPORTATION.

I'VE BEEN AN AUSTIN RESIDENT SINCE 1971 AND, UH, YOU KNOW, TRANSPORTATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN ENORMOUS ISSUE AND I HAVE, UH, I, I, UM, FEAR THAT IT'S GOING TO BE AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM TO TRY TO GET ANYTHING DONE THAT WILL, UH, UM, BE EFFECTIVE IN ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES, BUT ALSO JUST IN ADDRESSING THE NEED FOR GOOD PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN THIS CITY.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER STONE.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.

THEN I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT GOES ON.

I WORK AT, UH, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DISPLACEMENT, BUT I THINK JUST INCLUDING THESE, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING THE EQUITY LENS MAKES SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT'S GONE ON AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO REALLY STAY ON IT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS EXECUTED AND WITH AS MUCH, UH, THOROUGHNESS AS THE PLANNING HAS DONE.

SO THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SOUND KOSHER.

WELL WELDON.

DID YOU HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION OR, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

I THINK THAT HAS GIVEN EVERYONE AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, TO HOG.

UH, SO WITH THAT I WILL, UM, ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, RECOMMEND

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OR SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE.

MAKE SURE I HAVE, OH, SORRY.

I ACTUALLY HAD TO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

UM, ARE ONLY GOING TO BE, I SAW IN TERMS OF THE ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND GREEN JOBS, DO YOU THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE MORE GRANTS COMING OUT OF OPPOSITE ABILITY? LIKE THE LAST INITIATIVE IN 2019? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING IS THAT WE ARE, WE LEARNED A LOT DURING THAT PROCESS OF DOING THAT GRANT PROCESS WITH THE INNOVATION OFFICE.

AND NOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK AND INITIATIVES GOING ON WITH THE AUSTIN CIVILIAN CONSERVATION CORPS.

SO I THINK THE IDEA IS TO KIND OF BUILD ON THOSE INITIATIVES AND TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

THANKS.

OKAY.

SO I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO RECOMMEND IT AND, UH, OR SUPPORT THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

WELL, I'LL STEP IN SINCE, UH, YOU KNOW, SINCE MOST OF THE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION AND NOT ARGUING WITH THE NEED, UH, OR, OR THE FACT THAT THIS IS A, A DECENT DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF QUANTIFYING WHERE WE HOPE SOME OF THESE EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS WILL COME FROM, UH, I, UH, PUT FORTH THE MOTION, SUPPORTING THE DOCUMENT AND RECOMMENDING IT TO MOVE FORWARD AND GETTING ALL THE APPROXIMATE PROCESS STEPS.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, THEY QUIT, BUT THIS QUICK QUESTION, IT, THEY WERE ASKING, UH, ZACH, YOU WERE SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSIONS OR COMMITTEES.

I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS FITS IN THAT ANGLE, BUT IT'S UP TO YOU WHAT YOU GUYS DO WELL, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE PROCESS DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY OFFICIAL RECOGNITION, BUT I'M STILL WILLING TO OFFER IT.

COOL.

JUST CURIOUS, ANY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OH, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IN TODAY'S AGENDA THAT OR SHOULD BE THE PRIMARY PART OF IT, BECAUSE AGAIN, ALL THE QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION AS A VISION DOCUMENT.

I THINK IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS, THERE'S JUST A QUESTION OF, WELL, ARE BIG ENOUGH ONE QUESTION ZACH, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, KAREN EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE CHANGE IN DEFINITION FOR, FOR NET ZERO.

IS THAT SOMETHING, SO IF WE SUPPORT THIS DOCUMENT WITH, WITH THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, THAT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT CAN BE LOOKED AT RIGHT AS YOU DEVELOP THE SPECIFIC CODES, ET CETERA.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, THAT THE, DURING THIS COMMENT PERIOD THAT THE SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS ADVISORY GROUP AND SOME OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAVE SORT OF BROUGHT UP THAT THEY WANT TO MAKE THE NET ZERO BUILDINGS STRONGER, LIKE FOR A FINAL VERSION.

UM, SO I WOULD SAY THAT THAT SECTION OF THE PLANE'S STILL MIGHT CHANGE, BUT IF IT CHANGED, IT WOULD JUST BE ME MAKING IT MORE WELL, I'D PUT THAT OUT THERE AS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY MERITS DISCUSSION AND DEBATE JUST CAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, ON THE FACE OF IT, IT'S EASY TO SAY WE SHOULD REMOVE NATURAL GAS, UH, AS A, AS A COMPONENT OF BUILDING HEATING OR ET CETERA.

BUT I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL HOW YOU DEFINE THAT BECAUSE, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGIES COMING OUT SO THAT WE CAN USE EXCESS, RENEWABLE ENERGY AND STORE THAT ENERGY AS A LIQUID OR GASEOUS FUEL, AND THEN BRING THAT INTO THE CITY COMPLETELY CHANGING.

AND SO WE JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL HOW WE DO THAT.

WE DON'T WANT TO PAINT WITH TOO BROAD, A NEGATIVE BRUSH IT'S COMPLICATED AND DESERVES FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T LOCKING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUE TO BE DISCUSSED AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

YEAH, WELL, AGAIN, I CONSIDER THIS A COMPLETELY, A VISION DOCUMENT.

IT DOES, IT'S NOT A PRESCRIPTIVE HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT DOCUMENT, AND THAT'S WHY WE ALL JUMPED TO THOSE KINDS OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS OCCUR IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS? I SUPPORT IT.

OKAY, GREAT.

SO I THINK WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO SUPPORT THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

SO I'LL ASK FOR A VOTE NOW, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.

AYE.

RIGHT.

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UM, CAN I SHARE HAT AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I HEARD YOU.

OH YES.

OKAY.

YES.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN COMMISSIONER STONE, I THINK IS THE ONLY OTHER ONE I DIDN'T HEAR.

OKAY, GREAT.

UM, SO I THINK WE HAVE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF THE PLAN.

THANKS AGAIN, THE SURVEY.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME.

GREAT PRESENTATION.

THANKS SO MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON.

UM, WE HAVE JUST ABOUT 15 MINUTES LEFT.

SO WHAT I THINK I'D LIKE TO DO IS, UH, WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE SHINE PROJECT, WHICH I KNOW FOR SURE.

TUTTLE HAS BEEN, UM, ANXIOUSLY AWAITING FOR MONTHS AT THIS POINT.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO AT LEAST, UM, HIT THAT A LITTLE BIT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF, WE HAVE THE THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL BRIEF TO, UH, 10, UH, AGENDA.

UM, AT SOME POINT WE MAY END UP WITH, OH, GO AHEAD, MR. BISON.

I THINK WE'VE MENTIONED THAT WE GET TO THAT REPORT.

YEAH.

THAT'S TWO MONTHS IN A ROW.

WE ACTUALLY HEARD A HARD COPY NOW FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE'RE ALMOST TO THE NEXT QUARTER UPDATE.

WE WILL NOT RETURN NEXT MONTH.

THE NEXT QUARTER UPDATE.

I'D LIKE TO GIVE BILL THAT SHE HAS TO GET THIS DATA.

YEAH.

PERFECT.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND THEN I DID JUST WANT TO MENTION, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAD ANOTHER ITEM UNDER OTHER BUSINESS.

THIS IS THE EEC ANNUAL REVIEW.

AND I, AND I, I, I WOULD LIKE, THIS HAS BEEN SORT OF ROLLING OVER AS WELL FOR MULTIPLE MONTHS NOW.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO, UM, MAKE SURE WE GET THIS DONE AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH FOLKS.

COULD, UM, TAKE A LOOK AT THAT IT'S BEEN IN YOUR MATERIALS, BUT THERE'S A PROPOSED DRAFT OR CHANGES FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR IF FOLKS WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND LET'S TRY TO ACTUALLY TAKE THAT UP NEXT MONTH.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

UM, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

UM, MR.

[16. Update regarding the SHINES project. ADJOURNMENT]

KELLY, UM, UPDATE ON SHINES PLEASE.

YES.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

UM, I BELIEVE I'VE PROVIDED A PRESENTATION.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO BE PULLED UP JUST A MOMENT.

HERE WE GO.

UH, MY NAME IS BILL KELLY.

I'M THE, UH, DISTRIBUTION PROCESS MANAGER FOR ADVANCED GRID TECHNOLOGY AT AUSTIN ENERGY.

ONE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ASSIGNMENT, I THINK WE NEED ITEM NUMBER 16.

THANK YOU.

SORRY, BILL.

NO, IT'S OKAY.

I THOUGHT I WOULD INTRODUCE MYSELF AND GO AHEAD AND GIVE, UH, MY FIRST DISCLAIMER, WHICH IS WE ARE, UH, WE'RE HOSTING ABOUT FOUR, 10 YEAR OLDS AND A LEARNING POND HERE AT THE HOUSE.

UH, I'M TRYING TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM THEM AS I POSSIBLY CAN, BUT IF YOU HEAR SOME BACKGROUND NOISE, UM, IT'S PROBABLY THEM.

SO AGAIN, MY NAME IS BILL KELLY.

I'M THE DISTRIBUTION PROCESS MANAGER FOR ADVANCED GRID TECHNOLOGIES HERE AT AUSTIN ENERGY.

UH, AND ONE OF A FEW OF THE PROGRAMS THAT, UM, I AM THANKFUL TO BE OVER IS, UH, UH, THE ER INTEGRATION.

UH, THIS SPECIFICALLY MANAGER MANAGES OUR SHINES PROJECT, AND I KNOW WE ARE SHORT ON TIME.

I AM GOING TO GO THROUGH, UM, A PROJECT DESCRIPTION AND THEN, UM, UH, INITIAL FINDINGS WE'VE HAD FROM THE PROJECT.

SO I'M GOING TO SKIP THROUGH THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION PRETTY QUICKLY TO GET TO SOME OF THE FINDINGS.

UM, IF AT ANY TIME SOMEONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS THAT CAN'T BE LEFT TILL THE END, PLEASE, BY ALL MEANS.

GO AHEAD.

UH, IF WE CAN SKIP TO SLIDE THREE, PLEASE.

OKAY.

SO MOST OF YOU ARE MOST LIKELY FAMILIAR.

OH, BACK ONE SLIDE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

MOST OF YOU ARE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH, UM, WITH THE SHINES PROJECT.

UM, SEE, THERE WE GO.

UH, AND THE CONCEPT ITSELF.

SO THE, UM, THE SHINES CONCEPTS, UH, ESSENTIALLY THE PILOT, THE INTEGRATION OF COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, AND, UM, UTILITY SCALE STORAGE AND PV AND AGGREGATE THEM UNDER ONE DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

UM, SO ONE APPLICATION THAT CAN COMMAND CONTROL AND VISUALIZE ALL OF THE ASSETS THAT WERE PLACED OUT INTO THE FIELD.

AND SO SHINES WAS A DOE FUNDED OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY KICKED IN $4.3 MILLION.

TCEQ ALSO HELPED PROVIDE SOME FUNDING AND THEN AUSTIN ENERGY DID A COST MATCH, UH, ON TOP OF THAT.

SO, UH, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO A QUICK REMINDER OF THE ASSETS THAT WERE IN PLAY THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO, UM,

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THERE ARE TWO GRID SCALE, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO PICTURES ON YOUR, UH, THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, THE FIRST ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE KINGSBURY, UH, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM.

IT'S A 1.5 MEGAWATT STORAGE SYSTEM.

UM, AND IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER, UH, SOME OF YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE THE ROMA COMMUNITY, SOLAR FARM, UM, WHICH IS A PART OF SHINES, BUT NOT NECESSARILY DIRECTLY INTERCONNECTED WITH THE BATTERY ITSELF.

IT'S CONNECTED TO THE FEAR.

AND ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A, AN OVERVIEW DRONE SHOT.

THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DATED OF OUR ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, UH, IN AGGREGATE OVER, UH, IN THE MUELLER AREA.

AND IF THERE'S TIME LATER, I CAN, I ACTUALLY VISITED THERE YESTERDAY, TOOK A PRETTY GOOD PICTURE OF IT.

UM, IT'S LOOKING FANTASTIC.

UH, COMMERCIAL SCALE, WE HAVE THREE AGGRAVATED BATTERIES AND EXISTING SOLAR PV.

THERE'S ONE AT, UH, AISD LOCATION AND ACC LOCATION AND JEREMIAH HOUSE.

UM, AND THEN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SCALE AND THE MUELLER NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AGGREGATED BATTERIES AND PV.

WE DO HAVE ONE VEHICLE, THE GRID, UM, THAT IS, UH, UH, AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE, UM, MAINTAINED BY, BUT CONCENTRATE AND THEN 12 UTILITY CONTROL PD, SMARTER MURDERS, AND SIX AUTONOMOUSLY CONTROLLED, SMARTER AND BURGERS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, UH, OH, BACK ONE, THERE YOU GO.

NOT EASY TO, UH, NOT EASY TO DRIVE.

SO, UH, WHAT WERE THE D D ER, VALUE STRATEGIES? WHAT WERE WE LOOKING TO TAKE A LOOK AT, UH, SIX DIFFERENT USE CASES UNDER THREE DIFFERENT VALUE STREAMS? SO FROM AN ENERGY MARKET PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE LOOKING AT UTILITY PEAK LOAD REDUCTION DAY AHEAD, ENERGY ARBITRAGE, AND REALTIME PRICE DISPATCH, UH, FROM A GRID RELIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT VOLTAGE SUPPORT AND DISTRIBUTION INGESTION MANAGEMENT ON THE FEATURES THAT WERE WE WERE ATTACHED TO.

AND FROM THE UTILITY PERSPECTIVE, IT WAS ALL ABOUT DEMAND, CHARGE REDUCTION AND LOWERING THOSE CUSTOMER BILLS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WE ALSO WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WE WERE REFERRING TO AS THE VALUE STACK, NOT JUST EACH INDIVIDUAL USE CASE, UM, INDIVIDUALLY, BUT WAS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE AND SATISFY MULTIPLE DIFFERENT USE CASES AND IN SOME CASES AT THE SAME TIME.

SO YOU'LL SEE ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE KINGSBURY AND MUELLER.

WE HAVE THE AGGREGATED COMMERCIAL, PV AND ESS, AND THEN THE AGGREGATED AND INDIVIDUALIZED, RESIDENTIAL, SOLAR, AND PB.

AND SO WHEN YOU WORK DOWN THE LIST OF THE SIX DIFFERENT USE CASES, UH, ON THOSE VALUE STREAMS, HOW MANY OF THOSE CAN YOU BUNDLE TOGETHER, UH, AND SEE VALUE OUT OF THESE ASSETS? NEXT SLIDE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME.

AND SO WE WON'T HAVE ANY TIME, I DON'T THINK TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND SO MAYBE YOU CAN HAVE A FOLLOW UP, BUT, UM, ARE THERE ANY MARKET RULES THAT KEEP YOU FROM DOING LIKE THE ECONOMIC VALUE STACKING OR THE ERCOT MARKET RULES HAVE TO BE RUNS THROUGH THE PROCESS TO ENABLE THEM TO BE VALUE STACK BY AUSTIN ENERGY TO, UH, BE ABLE TO DEPLOY THEM THE VALUE STACK? NOT NECESSARILY ONLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UH, PEAK LOAD REDUCTION, RIGHT? SO BECAUSE THEY'RE OVER A MEGAWATT, THEY ACT TO BE REGISTERED ASSETS WITH ERCOT AND THUS THEY DON'T COUNT TOWARDS OUR PEAK LOAD REDUCTION.

RIGHT.

SO IF THEY WERE UNDER A MEGAWATT, WE COULD USE THEM TOWARDS THAT SINCE THEY'RE OVER A MEGAWATT, WE AREN'T USING IT TOWARDS PEOPLE REDUCTIONS.

SO IT DOES, IT DOES KIND OF, UH, MITIGATE THE VALUE THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY USE THERE, UM, FOR, UH, FOR THAT USE CASE.

UM, IN FACT, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE VALUE STACKING, A LOT OF THE LESSONS THAT WE LEARNED WERE THAT EVEN FROM A GRID RELIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE STACK, VOLTAGE SUPPORT AND DISTRIBUTION, CONGESTION MANAGEMENT, WE, UH, WE DON'T HAVE A VOLTAGE PROBLEM YET, OR A CONGESTION MANAGEMENT PROBLEM YET ON THE FEEDERS THAT WE HAVE THESE ASSETS ASIDE.

AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ONE OVERALL NECESSARILY SPEAKING EITHER.

UM, I THINK THE, THE FEEDERS THAT WE SELECTED WERE SOME OF THE MOST DENSELY POPULATED WITH DER AND THEY WERE, UM, UH, 6%, UM, UH, POPULATED WITH DER AND THROUGH STUDIES THROUGH PECAN STREET AND, UH, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.

I THINK THE VALUATION THERE IS BETWEEN 25 AND 40%.

ONCE YOUR PENETRATION REACHES THOSE LEVELS, YOU'LL THEN POTENTIALLY START TO SEE VOLTAGE SUPPORT VOLTAGE CONDITIONS IN DISTRIBUTION, CONJECTION, MAN INGESTION, PARDON ME MANAGEMENT, UH, ISSUES WHERE YOU'D WANT TO, UM, USE ENERGY SOURCE SYSTEMS FOR RELIABILITY PERSPECTIVE.

UM, I HAVE A QUESTION IF I COULD, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE FIVE OR SIX MINUTES LEFT, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK TO YOUR CONCLUSIONS.

MOST OF US HAVE A LITTLE, A LOT OF, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT MOST OF US HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY ON THE SHINES PROJECT.

AND I'M

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TRYING TO GET TO YOUR ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS, WHICH SEEMED TO ME TO BASICALLY SAY, WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.

ECONOMICALLY THE COST OF BUILDING DOES NOT JUSTIFY WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE CAN GET FROM IT.

AND MY QUESTION IS, UH, HAVE YOU NOW BUILT A MODEL THAT WILL HELP? I MEAN, THAT'S THE SAME THING THAT WE FIGURED OUT WHEN WE DID OUR RESOURCE PLANNING.

UM, AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS RATHER, WE NOW HAVE A BETTER MODEL THAN JUST THE LEVELIZED COST OF ENERGY MODEL THAT WE CAN GET OFF OF THE INTERNET, UH, TO PROJECT WHEN THE COST IS GOING TO JUSTIFY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

ARE YOU ABLE TO ABLAZE BASICALLY PLUG CURRENT MARKET VARIABLES, UH, INTO YOUR MODEL AND SAY, OKAY, GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT OUR SYSTEM AND WHAT WE'RE LEARNING ABOUT FROM THE MARKET ABOUT NEW COSTS, YOU KNOW, TODAY IT DOESN'T WORK NEXT, NEXT MONTH, NEXT YEAR, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT AGAIN AND FIND OUT BECAUSE THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE CRITICAL INFORMATION THAT WE'RE WORKING, WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

RIGHT.

AND IF WE CAN JUMP TO SLIDE 10 JUST FOR BACKUP, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, WE DON'T.

AND PART OF THE REASON WE ARE WORKING ON THAT, FOR SURE, BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, RIGHT? WHERE DO YOU GO FROM THE RED TO THE BLACK WHEN YOU START TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION? SO THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS BREAK DOWN THOSE VALUE CASES AND SEE USING THE, USING THE ASSETS WE HAVE NOW, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD AND, AND TAKE THOSE LESSONS LEARNED, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE NOT THERE YET.

UM, WE ARE CURRENTLY DECONSTRUCTING, YOU KNOW, ALL THE VALUE STREAMS THAT ARE COMING IN, UM, BEING MANAGED BY THAT, UM, DERMS ASSET THAT WE HAVE WHERE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE PLANT THAT LCO.

UM, BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT IT AND PART OF THE, THE GEN PLAN THAT WE ARE, UH, VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

UM, SO WE'RE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO SUPPLANT OR ENHANCE THAT LCLA OKAY.

WELL, MY SENSE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT ON THE BEST CASE SCENARIO OF MAKING THIS FEASIBLE.

UH, BUT I WILL SAY THAT FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO AS THE, UH, ELECTRIC UTILITY COMMISSION AND IN OUR RESOURCE PLANNING, THAT'S THE SINGLE MOST CRITICAL FACTOR IS TO USE YOUR LEARNING, TO FIGURE OUT WHEN IT'S GONNA MAKE SENSE FOR US.

SO WE ENCOURAGE, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO FOCUS REALLY HARD ON THAT ISSUE.

YEAH.

MULTI-YEAR LEAD TIME ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S ECONOMIC AND THEN WHEN IT TAKES TO GET SOFTWARE SYSTEMS UPGRADED, IT REALLY MATTERS A LOT.

I PERCEIVE THAT THIS IS A TECHNOLOGY, ONE OF THE KEY TECHNOLOGY STRATEGIES OF THE UTILITY, AND THEN THERE'S THE MAKE BUY GIVEN.

THEY'RE SORT OF AN ASSET SHIFT OF, UM, GENERALLY BEING BY AUSTIN ENERGY AND THEN PROCURING.

AND SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE SOME OF THE KEY THINGS TO THINK ABOUT IN TERMS OF POLICY, FOR THE UTILITY IN A MULTIDIMENSIONAL WAY THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS FOR THE TEAM AND WHY IT'S SO EXCITING FOR US AS THESE ASSETS HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, TOTALLY DEPLOYED AND UNDER OUR CONTROL FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SEASONS, NOT YEARS.

AND SO THERE'S SO MUCH, WE CAN STILL LEARN ABOUT THESE ASSETS AND APPLY THEM TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE.

AND YET AT THE SAME TIME TECHNOLOGY LAPPING ITSELF YEAR OVER YEAR, UM, ALSO GIVES US A STEADY OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WE WE'VE IMPLEMENTED.

WE KNOW WHAT THE CHALLENGES ARE, TECHNICALLY AN ENGINEERING WISE AND OPERATIONALLY.

AND SO NOW THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK TO AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY DID IT IN OUR OWN BACKYARD.

SO IT'S REALLY EXCITING TIME FOR US.

THANK YOU, MR. KELLY.

UM, WE ARE RUNNING SHORT ON TIME AND I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET MOVED THE ENTIRE PRESENTATION AND FOLKS MAY STILL HAVE QUESTIONS.

SO IF YOU COULD, UH, BE AVAILABLE NEXT MONTH, I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

UM, WHY DON'T WE BRING THIS ITEM BACK, UH, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, ANY FINAL, UM, QUESTIONS AND, AND I ACTUALLY MIGHT, I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION, FRANKLY, UM, INCLUDING THE CONCLUSION.

UM, SO MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT.

UM, JUST A COUPLE OF LAST MINUTE THINGS HERE.

ONE IS TO, UM, COMMISSIONER HAD, AND I KNOW WE HAD TWO ITEMS, UM, FOR FUTURE AGENDA, UM, INCLUDING VEGETATION MANAGEMENT AND ELECTRIFICATION OF HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES.

UM, I KNOW MR. VICE SENT YOU SOME INFORMATION AND I'M JUST CHECKING TO SEE IF, UH, THAT INFORMATION WAS HELPFUL AND OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE ITEMS STILL ON A FUTURE AGENDA.

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AND AS KAREN GET HER JUST WANTED TO STAY IN IT, THE INTENT WAS TO STEP, PROVIDE THE DUTY OF THE SITE ELECTRIFICATION UPDATE IN THE MONTHS AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER HAYDN, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING, WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

I'M SORRY.

I MISSED THE QUESTION I WAS ASKING IF YOU STILL WANTED TO SEE THE, UH, ELECTRIFICATION OF HEAVY DUTY VEHICLES ON A FEW OTHER AGENDA ITEMS OR VEGETATION MANAGEMENT.

YES, PLEASE.

YES, PLEASE.

WHEN WE CAN GET TO IT, I'D LOVE THEM.

OKAY.

FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THE INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED ON THE VEGETATION ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE.

IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU'RE STILL WANTING ME, OR IF YOU COULD REACH OUT TO ME, LET ME KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, GREAT.

THEN JUST ONE FINAL ITEM OF COMMISSIONERS, BOYLE AND , AND I HAVE, UH, FORMED A WORKING GROUP TO, UM, REVIEW AND DISCUSS THE, UH, RCA CRITERIA AND BACKUP INFORMATION, TRYING TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, UM, WHAT THAT CRITERIA IS AND, AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN, UM, WORK WITH AEM PURCHASING TO PERHAPS IMPROVE THAT ACROSS, UM, ALL OF THE RCA BACKUP MATERIAL.

UM, AND WE, WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT GROUP SMALLER CAUSE WE WANT TO BE EFFICIENT AND FLEXIBLE.

UM, AND WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE MONTHS, UM, BUT WOULD COME BACK TO THE GROUP TO, UH, GIVE SOME TYPE OF REPORT AT SOME POINT.

UM, BUT IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN JOINING US, PLEASE JUST REACH OUT TO ME PERSONALLY.

UM, AND I THINK THAT IS EVERYTHING.

UH, AGAIN, THANKS EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, THIS MONDAY MORNING AND, UH, HAVE A NICE SEPTEMBER.

SO GO AHEAD.

IS IT JUST NOT POSSIBLE TO DO MORE THAN 90 MINUTES? WE ARE ALWAYS RUNNING AT A TIME.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO TWO HOUR BLOCKS OR IS THAT JUST NOT IN THE CARDS? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE INQUIRED ABOUT.

UM, COMMISSIONERS B, UH, MR. AND, AND CITIZENS, I BELIEVE ARE ALL EXPRESSING THAT CONCERN.

MY, I SPOKE WITH, UM, UH, GREG CASAR RECENTLY ABOUT THAT, THE POSSIBILITY.

AND, UM, MY, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT, UH, THE AB TEAM AT, AT CITY HALL IS, IS WORKING, YOU KNOW, AT 150%.

UM, AND, AND THAT THEY REALLY ARE, UM, TAXED AND, AND GETTING MORE THAN, UH, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONS ARE GETTING AN HOUR AND A HALF AND GETTING MORE THAN THAT IS, IT SOUNDED UNLIKELY.

UM, BUT I, BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS FRUSTRATING AND, AND THAT I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I SHARE YOUR CONCERN AND FRUSTRATION AND, UM, BUT I'VE NOT BEEN GIVEN A, UH, SOLUTION.

UM, I THINK, I THINK OTHERS ARE, ARE WELCOME TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, UM, WITH THEIR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND, AND, AND JUST SEE WHERE WE GET.

BUT I, I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, GREG SAID HE TOTALLY GETS IT AND SHARES, SHARES ARE CONCERNED, BUT THAT EVERYBODY'S REALLY OVERTAXED AND THAT IT JUST, IT, IT DOESN'T POSSIBLE.

OKAY.

UM, MY OTHER REQUEST IN TERMS OF A FUTURE MEETING IS AT SOME POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT.

AND I BET YOU, RACHEL AGREES TO GET MORE OF A PRESENTATION ON THE MULTIFAMILY PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE CHANGES THAT SEEM TO BE LEADING TO MORE, YOU KNOW, TO MORE PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED.

UM, NO, NO CERTAIN TIMELINE.

I MEAN, IF THAT MAKES MORE SENSE A COUPLE MONTHS FROM NOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME THIS YEAR.

YEAH.

I DO HEAR THE METHODOLOGY.

LIKE WHAT'S, WHAT'S GONE ON WHAT'S THE NEW CONTRACT, LIKE ALL THAT STUFF.

OKAY, GREAT.

ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEM? OKAY.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

UM, UH, WITHOUT, UH, WITHOUT OBJECTION, I'LL ADJOURN THE MEETING.

THANK YOU.

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