Sep 14, 2020 Resource Management

COMMISSIONER BABIAK COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, COMMISSIONER BRENNAMAN COMMISSIONER CHAVARRIA, PRESENT COMMISSIONER DIELMAN COMMISSIONER FREELAND, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

I THINK YOU LET US KNOW WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT IN COMMISSIONER SMITH.

UM, SO WE WILL GET STARTED.

I AM GAMEY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR CITIZEN COMMUNICATION? I EVEN REACHED OUT TO SOMEBODY NOT RESPOND.

THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE APPROVED APPROVAL OF MINUTES.

THEN WE'LL, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM ONE ON

[1. Approve minutes of the August 17, 2020 Special Called Meeting of Resource Management Commission.]

WE DID HAVE A COUPLE OF TYPOS, UM, AND JAMIE SENT OUT A REVISED VERSION OF THE MINUTES JUST BEFORE THIS MEETING.

UM, SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE NEWLY DISTRIBUTED VERSION OF THE MINUTES.

IF YOU ALL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW.

I'M SORRY.

COMMISSIONER BLACK ROOM.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

COMMISSIONER DEMON, GENTLEMEN, ALL IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.

TO ITEM TWO ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION, UH, FOR THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROGRAM REBATES.

UM, WE'VE GOT TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY THAT WILL, UH, FOR POSSIBLE ACTION.

ONE FOR ACTION.

ONE FOR POSSIBLE ACTION.

THE FIRST WILL BE, UM, UH, RCA FOR THE AUSTIN ENERGY, ENERGY EFFICIENCY REBATE BUDGET.

UM, AND THEN LATER IN THE, UH, THE MUTATION OF THE AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLANNED, UM, AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOR THAT MEETING.

SO, UH, LET'S MOVE ON

[2. (9/17) [ Austin Energy] Authorize issuance of energy efficiency program rebates by Austin Energy during Fiscal Year 2020-21, in an amount not to exceed $2,700,000 for multifamily energy efficiency rebates and $3,350,000 for commercial and small business energy efficiency rebates, for a total combined amount not to exceed $6,050,000.]

I BELIEVE WE HAVE, UM, IS MANNY GARZA ON THE LINE IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS REQUEST FOR COUNCIL ACTION? SURE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US.

UM, IS THERE, FORGIVE ME, IS THERE A PRESENTATION OR ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, REGARDING THIS RCA OR SHALL I JUST OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AND ACTION, TWO QUICK COMMENTS.

I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY BENEFITED US AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT THEY TOTALLY SHUT DOWN.

WE LOST ABOUT A QUARTER, BUT, UM, IT REALLY HAS BENEFITED OUR MULTIFAMILY PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY.

UM, SO IT DOUBLED OUR CONTRACTOR BASE.

WE'VE INCREASED OUR PARTICIPATION SIGNIFICANTLY AND WE'RE ON TRACK TO BEAT OUR ESTIMATES FOR OUR INCOME QUALIFIED MULTICHANNELS PROGRAM IN OUR DEPARTMENT TO DEFINITELY GET A, TO MASTER.

SO YOU HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GARCIA.

AND IF I RECALL CORRECTLY LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME WE APPROVED THIS SORT OF BLANKET REBATE.

UM, AND ARE YOU, UM, SHARING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT ALLOWED, UH, THE INCREASED VOLUME IN THE PROGRAM? YES, THAT'S DEFINITELY A LARGE PART IN THAT.

IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL AND OUR CONTRACTORS HAD TO FLOAT A LOT OF MONEY PREVIOUSLY AND KIND OF THE MESSAGE AND THEN HAVE THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, I'LL GET FOR A WHILE UNTIL WE GOT APPROVAL.

SO THIS IS, UH, EXPEDITED THE PROCESS AND ANSWER HER CONTRACTOR BAYLOR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT UPDATE.

UM, SO OPEN UP TO, UH, TO THE COMMISSIONERS, ANY, UH, QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? YES.

COMMISSIONER WHITE.

OH, OKAY.

I THINK YOU'RE MUTED.

ON WHAT WAS BEING PROVIDED AND WONDERING IF THAT'S AVAILABLE.

UM, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO BOTH, BUT WHEN WE AUTHORIZE THIS LAST TWO THINGS AND REPORTING BACK DATA

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COMMISSIONER WHITE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY IN OUR PIPELINE REPORT AND THAT'S POSTED MONTHLY.

UM, AND, UH, WE GIVE YOU ALL THE DATA JUST LIKE WE DID BEFORE, UH, FOR ALL CAS.

SO YOU CAN LOOK AT VERY, VERY FAMILIAR, BUT ALSO GIVE ME PIPELINE DATA WHAT'S COMING IN OUR PIPELINE.

SO YEAH, ALL OF THAT'S POSTED MUST BE WITH THE RMC REPORT.

SO YOU'RE NOT PLANNING TO PRESENT ANY OF THAT TODAY, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? UH, I WOULD NOT BUY THAT, BUT YOU HAPPY TO SHARE THAT WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU.

BUT I THINK THAT THE WAY THAT WE HAD THIS POSTED WAS REALLY JUST FOR, UM, ACTION ON A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM.

WE DIDN'T HAVE IT POSTED FOR THE FULL REPORT OUT.

UM, BUT ONE OF, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR FUTURE, UM, AGENDA ITEMS, IF WE WOULD LIKE TO COME IN AND HAVE A FULL PRESENTATION, WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THAT REQUEST.

ARE THERE OTHER, UH, QUESTIONS OR, OR ITEMS FOR DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS RCA? OKAY.

UM, AT THIS POINT I WILL, UM, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RCA.

THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RCA IS WRITTEN.

LEO.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

I APOLOGIZE.

I THINK I MISSED THAT.

JONATHAN WAS AT YOU A SECOND.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN.

AND THEN I BELIEVE I HEARD SOMEONE ELSE.

IS THAT YOU REBECCA? OKAY.

AT THIS POINT, UM, I'LL TAKE A VOTE ALL IN FAVOR OF, UH, OF PASSING THIS RCA.

AYE.

ALL OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY, JAMIE, JUST TO CHECK.

DO YOU HAVE ALL YOU NEED OR DID WE NOT NEED TO GO INTO, OKAY.

WE'LL GO TO ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE ON THE CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

THE MOTION PASSES.

THANK YOU, MANNY, FOR BEING HERE WITH US TODAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU GOT FAT.

UM, NEXT

[3. Briefing regarding the Austin Climate Equity Plan by the Office of Sustainability.]

UH, ZACH, CAN WE TURN IT OVER TO YOU PLEASE? YEP.

I'M HERE AND I'M GONNA LET, Y'ALL ALL SHARE THE SCREENS I'M GONNA SHARE WHEN I SHARE WITH WEBEX, SOMETIMES IT TOTALLY FREEZES UP.

I THINK, I THINK WE'VE GOT SCREEN-SHARE YOU SEE THE TITLE SLIDE.

UH, I'M STILL WAITING ON IT.

ALRIGHT, SO, SO I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER, SO WE'RE, I'M SPEAKING TO LIKE 24 COMMISSIONS WITH THIS PRESENTATION SO I CAN EVEN PRESENT IT.

DID I COME AND PRESENT TO THIS GROUP EARLIER IN THE SUMMER? YOU DID ZACH.

I BELIEVE YOU WERE THERE IN JULY.

IF I WERE JAMIE MIGHT NEED TO CHECK MY DATE MEMORY, BUT I THINK IT WAS JULY.

IT WAS JULY MADAM CHAIR.

I THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

SO I'M GOING TO TALK TO KIND OF EARLY SLIDE IN THIS PRESENTATION IS SET UP TO KIND OF TELL THE WHOLE STORY OF HOW WE CREATED A PLAN AND THEN TALK ABOUT THE GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO, BECAUSE THAT WAS ALREADY HERE, I WANT TO GO QUICKLY IF YOU WOULD BE GETTING SLIDES AND SORT OF GET TO THE, UH, THE PROPOSED WHOLESOME STRATEGIES.

TO REACH DIFFERENT AUDIENCES.

SO NEXT SLIDE.

SO THANKS AGAIN FOR HAVING ME ZACH BOMBER, A CLIMATE PROGRAM MANAGER IN OFFICE OF SUSTAINABILITY.

UM, SO THE UPDATE NOW IS THAT THE FULL VERSION OF THE DRAFT AUSTIN CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR REVIEW ONLINE.

YOU CAN FIND IT LINKED THROUGH, COME OFF SUSTAINABILITY WEBSITE OR THROUGH THE SPEAK UP AWESOME PAGE.

YOU CAN ADD COMMENTS, EMAIL COMMENTS TO US.

THERE'S A SURVEY IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN TAKING IT.

UM, AND THERE'S A SHORT VERSION, THAT'S LIKE 15 PAGES, AND THEN THERE'S A FULL A HUNDRED PAPERS.

UM, AND WE DID THAT TO TRY

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SO THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD RUNS FROM SEPTEMBER 2ND THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH.

UM, AND THEN WE WILL BE MAKING REVISIONS IN OUR TRAINING FOR EITHER THE OCTOBER 29TH OR NOVEMBER 12TH FOR ADOPTION.

SO, UM, I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR FEEDBACK TODAY AND, UM, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO AS YOU ALL KNOW, THERE WAS THE INITIAL DOZEN 15 AUSTIN COMMUNITY CLIMATE PLAN SORT OF FIVE-YEAR REVISION CYCLE.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE ARE AINS OUTFIT.

SO THE, THE PLAN CREATION PROCESS ESSENTIALLY STARTED LAST SUMMER.

WHEN YOU GOT GUIDANCE FROM THE JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE ON WHAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN WHAT APPROACH WE SHOULD TAKE.

UM, MONDAY WE ENGAGED WITH, UH, ABOUT 24 CITY STAFF, AS WELL AS OVER 120 COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO BE ON OUR STEERING COMMITTEE ON FIVE ADVISORY GROUPS TO CREATE THIS PLAN.

SO THESE GROUPS HAVE BEEN MEETING EVERY OTHER WEEK OR MONTHS, UH, TO CO-CREATE THIS, THIS PLANNING EFFORT WITH CITY STAFF.

SO I JUST SAY THAT THIS IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SORT OF A ONE WAY PLANNING EFFORT.

THIS IS LIKE WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS TO CREATE EVERYTHING EXCELLENT.

UM, I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THIS ALREADY.

THESE ARE THE MEMBERS OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE, STEERING COMMITTEE WAS KIND OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE PLAN.

THEY WERE KIND OF OVERSEEING THE PROCESS AND THE BIG PICTURE DECISION MAKING, UM, AND YOU KNOW, SPECIAL THANK YOU TO MY ERA CHAIN JOHNSON AND KATIE COHEN.

THEY HAVE PUT IN UNBELIEVABLE EFFORT TO REALLY HELP GUIDE THIS PROCESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

IT'S LIKE, SO WHEN WE STARTED THIS PLANNING FOR JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE, IT MADE IT REALLY CLEAR.

WE HAD INITIAL MEETINGS WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE, WE MADE IT CLEAR THAT EQUITY REALLY NEEDED AT THIS PROCESS.

SO WE STARTED WITH WHAT ARE THE INEQUITIES THAT EXIST TODAY? AND, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN HAS BEEN NAMED A, I THINK MOST ECONOMICALLY SEGREGATED CITY IN THE COUNTRY, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT IT'S THE MOST RACIALLY SEGREGATED.

AND THIS STARTED A LONG TIME AGO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, STATE, FEDERAL, UM, LOCAL LAWS AND ACTIONS.

IT WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY DRIVEN, UM, WITH THE 1928 MASTER PLAN DIVIDING THE CITY.

UM, AND THEN EVER SINCE THEN INEQUITIES HAVE JUST PERPETUATE YOUR ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE, THE DIFFERENCES IN HEALTH OUTCOMES, DIFFERENCES IN HOMEOWNERSHIP ECONOMIC STATUS, UM, TOO MUCH IN AUSTIN PREDICTED BY RACE.

UM, SO WE REALLY FOUND THAT LIKE IT WAS, UH, IT'S, YOU'RE UNABLE TO IGNORE THIS IF YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, UM, EQUITY AND JUST THINK ABOUT BEING A CITY PLANNING PROCESS.

IT'S LIKE, WELL, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE OBVIOUSLY CHANGING OUR CLIMATE.

UM, WE'RE GLOBAL EMISSIONS HAVE NOT STARTED TO COME DOWN YET.

UM, THERE'S THE URGENCY TO REDUCE EMISSIONS FASTER, UM, JUST GROWS EVERY SINGLE DAY.

THAT'S WHY THE OTHER EQUITY TYING IN IS HOW ACTUAL CLIMATE CHANGES ARE RIDING AUSTIN.

SO, UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE, THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, UH, NATURAL CLIMATE THREATS.

THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN IN AUSTIN, BUT EXTREMELY DROUGHT FLOODING WILDFIRE ARE JUST PROJECTED TO GET MORE INTENSE AND HAPPENED MORE FREQUENTLY.

AND IF YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES, YOU CAN DEAL WITH THESE THINGS, BUT LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED BY THESE THINGS.

NOW IT JUST WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE AFFECTED MORE BY THESE THINGS AS WE GO ON WITH THE FUTURE.

SO IT'S ESSENTIAL TO, TO CENTER THEM.

SO AFTER WE, YOU KNOW, HAD ALL THIS HISTORY AND STARTED THINKING ABOUT ONE OF THESE ISSUES MEAN, AND HOW DO THEY COME TOGETHER? UM, THIS SLIDE, THESE VALUES IN THE CENTER CAME OUT OF A WORKSHOP THAT WE HELD FOR ALL THE PLAN PARTICIPANTS, OUR ADVISORY GROUPS, STEERING COMMITTEE.

UM, SO IT WAS A ONE DAY CLIMATE EQUITY WORKSHOP THAT WE, WHERE WE REALLY DOVE IN AND UNPACKED ALL THESE ISSUES AS A GROUP TALKING TOGETHER.

AND SO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT ELIMINATING THE USE OF FOSSIL FUELS IN THE COMING YEARS AND THE, WE THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE ELIMINATE DISPARITIES, THAT CAN BE PREDICTED BY RACE.

WHAT WE COME TO IS IF WE HAVE FAIR AND EQUITABLE, UM, HEALTH AFFORDABILITY, ACCESSIBILITY,

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CULTURAL PRESERVATION, COMMUNITY CAPACITY, JUST TRANSITIONED TO ACCOUNTABILITY.

WE CAN EAT THOSE VALUES FOR ALL COMMUNITIES, LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ALIVE.

THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS, RIGHT? SO THESE VALUES ENDED UP, UM, THEY RECRUITED DURING THIS WORKSHOP AND THEN WE ENDED UP CREATING AN EQUITY TOOL FOR THE PLAN BASED AROUND THIS AND REALLY THE BOTTOM LINE.

AND THAT WE REALLY CAME TO IS THAT IF WE'RE NOT PROACTIVELY ADDRESSING EQUITY AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, IF WE WOULD JUST BE PERPETUATING INJUSTICE AND CAN'T ADDRESS CLIMATE WITHOUT ALSO ADDRESSING.

SO THIS IS JUST THE SNAPSHOT OF THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY WIDE CARBON FOOTPRINT FROM 2010 TO PRESENT.

AND THEN YOU SEE WHERE IT SHADED THAT'S PROJECTING FUTURE.

UM, SO EMISSIONS HAVE ALREADY STARTED TO COME DOWN, UH, IN THE AUSTIN AREA AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECTED, THE BLUE WAS ESSENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING THE AUSTIN ENERGY RESOURCES GENERATION PLAN.

WE'LL CREATE LARGE REDUCTIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THE NEXT DECADE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, EVEN TO ME, THE EXISTING CITY COUNCIL TARGET OF NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2050, WE'RE GOING TO START TO FALL SHORT, UM, BECAUSE TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS ARE SO LARGE AND SO HEART ATTACK.

SO, SO A LOT OF THE EFFORT IN THIS PLAN IS ACTUALLY FOCUSED ON THAT SECTOR.

SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT DURING THIS PROCESS, THE STEERING COMMITTEE HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE, THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A DIFFERENT TARGET WHEN WE ADOPT THE TARGET OF NET ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2040 WITH THIS SPECIFIC WIDE PATH HERE, AND THEN TRY TO AIM FOR OVERALL NEGATIVE EMISSIONS.

UM, AND THIS IS JUST BASED ON SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FROM EVERY OTHER SORT OF INTERNATIONAL GROUP, JUST STATING THAT AS WE DON'T DRAMATICALLY REDUCE EMISSIONS FAST ENOUGH, THERE'S JUST MORE AND MORE TO REDUCE FASTER BY LARGER AMOUNTS.

THAT'S FINE.

IN THIS PLANNING EFFORT, YOU KNOW, DOING A CLIMATE PLAN IN A CITY LIKE AUSTIN, WHERE YOU HAVE AUSTIN ENERGY DOING THEIR THING, GOD, UH, RESOURCE RECOVERY, YOU KNOW, WITH A MASTER PLAN PROCESS, YOU'VE GOT TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT CABINETRY, YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS OTHER, THESE OTHER CLANS AND EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

SO YOU HAD TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE OUR PLANNING FIT IN BETWEEN.

SO WE FOCUSED ON THIS TIME AROUND ADVISORY GROUPS WERE CREATED FOR SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS, EDUCATIONAL, ELECTRIFICATION, TRANSPORTATION, LAND, USE HOUSING, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, AND THEN NATURAL SYSTEMS AND CONSUMPTION.

IT'S FUN.

SO, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE CREATED AN EQUITY TOOL FOR THIS PROCESS THAT STARTED WITH THAT INITIAL EQUITY WORKSHOP AND WORK WITH STEERING COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO SORT OF TAKE THE PROCESS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE IS BASED ON THE GOVERNMENT ALLIANCE ON RACE AND EQUITIES EQUITY EVALUATION PROCESS.

SO WE TOOK THIS PROCESS AND THEN WE CREATED A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AROUND THE VALUES THAT WE CREATED DURING OUR WORKSHOPS.

AND THEN WE KIND OF CREATED THIS INNER PROCESS THAT EACH OF OUR ADVISORY GROUPS WENT THROUGH TO ENSURE THAT EQUITY IS BAKED INTO, UM, INTO THEIR SECTIONS.

SO IT WASN'T A THINK ABOUT EQUITY LIKE ROCK OR LIKE, HEY, DON'T FORGET.

LIKE YOU JUST REALLY MADE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GOAL STRATEGIES WERE STEEPED IN ASKING HARD QUESTIONS.

UH, AND THE LAST THING ON SORT OF OUR PROCESSES THAT WE, WE HEARD FROM THE, UH, THE TRANS SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE VERY EARLY IN THIS PROCESS, THEY GAVE US THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SHOULD CREATE A COMMUNITY CLIMATE AMBASSADOR PROGRAM.

AND IT WASN'T EXACTLY CLEAR WHAT, WHAT THEY MEANT OR WHAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE.

UM, BUT WHEN IT TURNED OUT TO BE WAS WE DID A CALL FOR APPLICATIONS, AND THEN WE SELECTED THE INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE.

AND WE COMPENSATED THEM FOR THEIR TIME TO ESSENTIALLY GO OUT TO THEIR COMMUNITIES, TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEIR, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GET, THEY GO TO CHURCH WITH, THEY GO TO SCHOOL WITH, UM, AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON WHAT DOES THE COMMUNITY AND SPECIFICALLY COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T TYPICALLY BEEN AT THE TABLE AND CITY PLANNING PROCESSES, AND REALLY TELL US WHAT THEY THINK.

SO EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS DID ALL OF THIS WORK ON THEIR OWN AND THEN DID INTERVIEW HER FOR REPORTS AND FED IT BACK TO US.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FULL VERSION OF THE CLIMATE, YOU CAN SEE FEEDBACK FROM THE CLIMATE AMBASSADORS KIND OF ALL THROUGHOUT.

SO THIS WAS A NEW AND KIND OF DIFFERENT WAY TO, TO GET SORT OF DEEP ENGAGEMENT.

WE THINK IT WAS SUCCESSFUL.

THERE ARE EATING GOALS AND, UM, BETTER THAN LAST TIME, THESE 18 GOALS ARE ALL QUANTITATIVE.

SO DRACO CAN STRATEGIES.

SO THIS IS WHAT IS IN THE PLAN.

SO OVERALL

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SO THERE ARE 18 QUANTITATIVE SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE MEANT TO BE WHAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED BY 2030 TO KEEP US ON TRACK COMMUNITY WIDE.

NONE, THERE ARE 75 STRATEGIES, WHICH ARE SPECIFICS ON WHAT SHOULD WE ACTUALLY DO.

AND THEY'RE REALLY FOCUSED ON THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

UM, WE'RE NOT EQUITY ENDS UP SHOWING UP, UM, KIND OF IN THE SPECIFICS OF IMPLEMENTATION AND REALLY LIKE THE RULE OF TEXT AND ALL THESE STRATEGIES.

SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT REALLY THE WAY THAT EQUITY ENDS UP SHOWING UP IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS PRIORITIZATION OF INCENTIVES, COMMUNICATIONS AT LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES AND COMMUNITIES OF COLOR SPECIFIC AND ACTIONS ON UNITED DISPLACEMENT.

UM, LOTS OF FOCUS ON JUST TRANSITION AND THE NEED FOR TRAINING AND WORKFORCE PROGRAMS, ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROGRAMS RELATED TO THESE INDUSTRIES, UM, REALLY FOCUSING ON HEALTH.

UM, HEALTH WAS SORT OF LIKE THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY OUR CLIMATE AMBASSADORS IN TERMS OF LIKE HAVING THE ENVIRONMENT AND INTERACT WITH PEOPLE.

AND THEN THE LAST ONE, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WHERE WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.

SO SARAH AND COMMUNITY IS A PART IN ONGOING LEARNING THAT WILL GO ON IMPLEMENTATION HAPPENS.

SO TO KICK OFF, THERE WERE THREE CROSS CUTTING STRATEGIES THAT EMERGED FROM LIKE A BUNCH OF THE DIFFERENT ADVISORY GROUPS AND KIND OF CAME UP OVER AND OVER.

SO WE BROUGHT THEM TOGETHER HERE AT THE FRONT.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT WE NEEDED TO CREATE LIKE A DISTINCT GREEN JOBS AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP PROGRAM, UM, AND REALLY GET LIKE MORE ENERGY AND EFFORT BEHIND THIS TO REALLY SUPPORT THIS IDEA OF JUST TRANSITION FOR, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

THE SECOND ONE IS REGIONAL COLLABORATION.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN TEXAS, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THE STATE.

UM, BUT THE OTHER BIG CITIES IN TEXAS ARE TAKING ACTION ON CLIMATE CHANGE.

THEY ALL HAVE FIND THE PLANS THAT WERE ADOPTED IN THE LAST YEAR AND, UH, TO REALLY REACH SOME OF THESE TARGETS, YOU KNOW, WE DO THIS PLANNING EFFORT WITH THIS INVISIBLE CITY BOUNDARY LINE, BUT THE SURROUNDING SUBURBS AND COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, THOSE PEOPLE LIVE AND WORK AND COME BACK AND FORTH INTO AUSTIN.

SO WE REALLY NEEDED TO COLLABORATE MUCH MORE.

AND THEN FINALLY, IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED CARBON OFFSETS AND EVENTUALLY CARBON DIOXIDE FROM THE ATMOSPHERE TO BE REACHING THESE LONGTERM TARGETS.

SO WE REALLY NEED TO START THINKING NOW ABOUT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET OFFSETS? WHERE ARE WE GOING TO SPLIT THEM AND WHAT KINDS, ALL THE SPECIFICS.

SO BEFORE WE DIE, I THINK TO THE DEPTHS OF ALL THE ADVISORY GROUPS, JUST PUT THE SPECIFICS OF THE 20, 30 RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN UP HERE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ADMISSIONS BACK, WHEN WE STARTED TO DO THE MATH ON, HOW ARE WE GOING TO REACH THESE TARGETS, AUSTIN ENERGY ONLY IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN AND REACHING ALL THESE TARGETS IS ESSENTIAL FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

SO JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, UM, JUST GIVE THEM A CLAUSE AND GIVE ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WHO HELPED CREATE THIS APPLAUSE, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY SORT OF LIKE THE, THE INITIAL THOUGHT OF HOW COMMUNITY-WIDE OPTIONS WILL COME DOWN.

YOU KNOW, 99% OF OUR TRANSPORTATION IN AUSTIN IS BASED ON MUSIC.

SO THE FIVE FOCUS AREAS, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS SUSTAINABLE BUILDINGS.

UM, SO THE GOAL THAT WE ENDED UP HERE IS BY 2030 DECARBONIZED BUILDINGS AND REDUCE ENERGY BURDEN BY ACHIEVING NET ZERO CARBON FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS, AND ALSO BY 23 MEN, 25% OF THOSE BUILDINGS, UM, EXISTING BUILDINGS, EVENTUALLY GETTING TO ALL OF THAT TO YOUR, THE SECOND GOAL IS REDUCING EMISSIONS FROM REFRIGERANT LEAKAGE.

THIS IS KIND OF A MISS SECTOR.

THAT'S NOW EMERGING AND SHOWING MUCH MORE PROMISE THAT RESTON TAKE ACTION ON IS THAT THE CHEMICALS THAT ARE IN AIR CONDITIONERS THAT ARE BEING COOLERS AND REFRIGERATORS, FREEZERS, THOSE THINGS LEAK A LOT.

AND THERE ARE POLICIES AND PROGRAMS YOU CAN DO TO HELP REDUCE THAT LEAKAGE.

AND THE THIRD ONE IS THINKING BIGGER PICTURE ABOUT A BUILDING MATERIALS.

SO TRYING TO STRIVE TO REDUCE THE EMBODIED CARBON FOOTPRINT OF BUILDING MATERIALS SINCE THAT'S MASSIVE UPSTREAM IMPACT BEFORE THOSE THINGS COME TO OUR CITY.

SO TRYING TO REDUCE THAT BY 40% BY 2030, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS CONNECTED BACK TO WATER.

SO BACK TO THE WATER FORWARD PLAN.

SO TRYING TO REACH, UM, 152,000 ACRE FEET PER YEAR, IT'S KIND OF THEIR TRAJECTORY IN THE WATER FORWARD PLAN TO REDUCE OVERALL COMMUNITY WATER DEMAND, AND REALLY RECOGNIZE THAT ALIGNMENT BETWEEN WATER USAGE AND ENERGY, NEXT SLIDE, FIFTH PATIENT LAND USE.

SO THERE ARE TWO SECTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE IT VERY QUICKLY IS GOING TO BECOME THE LARGEST SECTOR OF EMISSIONS.

AND RIGHT NOW, UH,

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SO THE FIRST TWO GOALS ARE AROUND, UM, CHANNELING DEVELOPMENT IN CITIES, GROWTH CENTERS AND CORRIDORS, AND THEN REALLY FOCUSING ON TRYING TO, UM, INCREASE THE GROWTH OF HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE AS PEOPLE ARE PUSHED FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY, THOSE PEOPLE STILL LIVE AND WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEN JUST HAVE A LONGER PART AND FOOTPRINTS DRIVING PERSONAL VEHICLES.

UM, AND THE SECOND FEW TARGETS AROUND, UH, SPECIFICALLY AROUND GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF CARS.

SO, UM, GOAL NUMBER THREE IS CONTINGENT ON, YOU KNOW, UH, PROJECT CONNECT, PASSING AND GETTING BUILT OUT RIGHT NOW, LESS THAN 1% OF THE TOTAL DISTANCE TRAVELED FOR ALL TRIPS IN OUR COMMUNITY IS ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

UM, WHICH IS UNBELIEVABLE.

WELL, SO THIS IS SETTING THE GOAL OF 5%, WHICH IS LIKE, UH, WE'LL TAKE BILL OUT OF, UH, PROJECT CONNECT AND THEN REALLY TAKE LIKE DRAMATIC EFFORT TO GET PEOPLE.

THEN THE LAST GOAL IS AROUND, UH, ENABLING MORE BIKING, WALKING, UM, TRIPS THAT JUST DON'T USE A CAR.

SO AGAIN, THIS NUMBER IS CURRENTLY BELOW 1% ROLL TRIPS, AND WE WOULD JUST TRY TO AIM TO GET IT UP TO 4%.

SO EVEN IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL AT GETTING PEOPLE, UM, KEEPING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF CARS, THERE ARE STILL GOING TO BE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CARS EACH MORNING.

SO, UH, WE REALIZED THAT THIS SOLUTION FOR THAT CAN BE ELECTRIFICATION.

SO AS AUSTIN ENERGY GETS TO ZERO CARBON ELECTRICITY, BUT THAT ELECTRICITY CARS, UM, AND MAKE A HUGE DENT IN THE TRANSPORTATION SHEETS AND ALSO IN VOCAL AIR QUALITY EMISSIONS, ET CETERA.

SO THE GOLDEN YEARS BY 2030, THEY GET TO 30% OF TOTAL VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED IN THE CITY AND ELECTRIFIED.

SO THAT'S LIGHT DUTY AND HEAVY DUTY.

THAT'S A COMBINED LIKE RESIDENT BUSINESS.

NUMBER TWO IS AROUND HAVING COMPELLING AND EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTED CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE CITY TO MEET THAT LEVEL OF DEMAND, WHICH IS THIS HIGH.

AND THEN GO THREE IS AROUND REGIONAL COLLABORATION THAT WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S A MASSIVE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY HERE IN TERMS OF LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS, UH, WHAT YOUR TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WITH THE LONGEST COMMUTE IN OUR SUBURBAN AREAS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY CAN HAVE AN ELECTRIC CAR CAN CHARGE IN AUSTIN, UM, WE CAN DRAMATICALLY REDUCE TRANSPORTATION EMISSIONS AND SAVE PEOPLE MONEY WHO HAVE THE LONGEST COMMUTES, NEXT SLIDE, LAST FEW AREAS, GOOD PRODUCT CONSUMPTION.

THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S, UM, FOCUSED ON MATERIALS, BUT KIND OF GOING BEYOND JUST THINKING ABOUT RECYCLING, COMPOSTING UPSTREAM.

SO THE FIRST GOAL HERE IS ON SEED.

SO TRYING TO FOCUS ON FOOD INSECURE AND FOCUS ON PROCLINE AND PROHEALTH FOOD, UM, SOLUTIONS FOR PEOPLE.

NEXT ONE IS AROUND REDUCING THE IMPACT OF INSTITUTIONAL PURCHASING.

SO THE PURCHASING POWER THAT GOES ON BY THE CITY AND STATE LIKE T UH, WHEN WE'RE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON THINGS LIKE PAPER OR AGGREGATE MATERIAL, THEY CAN HAVE A BIG IMPACT IF THEY CAN, UM, MAKE THOSE CHOICES MORE SUSTAINABLE.

THEN THE LAST ONE WAS ESSENTIALLY JUST SHORT TO SUPPORT US A RESOURCE RECOVERY IN THEIR NEW ZERO WASTE PLAN TARGETS, AND THEN REALLY TRY TO HELP THEM BOLSTER THEIR CURRENT EFFORTS ON CIRCULAR ECONOMY, PROMOTING, REUSE, FIXING, AND, UM, JUST A MORE REGENERATIVE SORT OF LOCAL MATERIAL.

SO THE LAST AREA, THIS IS A BRAND NEW AREA FOR THIS PLAN THAT HAD BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE PREVIOUS BRAND.

IT ISN'T IN A LOT OF CLIMATE PLANS.

IT IS ON NATURAL SYSTEMS. SO THE IDEA HERE IS THAT THE TREES, THE AGRICULTURE LANDSCAPE PARKS OPEN SPACE, SHUTTLES, MILLIONS OF TONS OF CARBON RIGHT NOW, IF WE PROTECT THAT CARBON STORE AND WE INCREASE THAT CARBON STORAGE, WE CAN ACTUALLY OFFSET SOME OF OUR, OUR MISSIONS.

SO PROTECTING, UH, EXISTING CARBON POOLS ON NATURAL LANDS, UH, INCREASING THE SUPPORT FOR FARMLAND AND REGENERATIVE AGRICULTURE PROGRAMS IN OUR FIVE COUNTY AREA, UM, GROWING TREE CANOPY ACROSS THE CITY.

AND THEN FINALLY, UH, FOCUSING ON CITY OWNED LANDS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE WORD MANNER HELPS THE QUESTION MORE PART, BECAUSE WITH SIMPLE CHOICES, YOU CAN EITHER, THE CARBON WILL BE A MEANING OR A LANDSCAPE CAN BE EMITTING EMISSIONS OR WESTERN AND SOMEWHAT ACTIVITIES.

YOU DID.

AND STACK THEM UP, THIS IS THE PROJECTED EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE.

SO JUST TELL ME QUICKLY, HOW DOES IT ALL ADD UP IF YOU TAKE THOSE QUANTITATIVE TARGETS FOR ALL OF THOSE 2030 GOALS

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SO TOP LINE HERE, THE TOP SMOOTH LINE IS LIKE A BASELINE AND WE'LL JUST STOP TAKING ACTION.

AND THEN THE REDUCTIONS ARE STACKED UP IN TERMS OF WHAT IS THE RESULT SHE CAN SEE.

THE BIGGEST RESULT WAS THE AUSTIN ENERGY RESOURCE GENERATION PLAN.

THAT'S THE DARK DARKWOOD SECOND LARGEST REDUCTION THAT WOULD BE CREATED AS FROM ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND USING RENEWABLE ENERGY IN THOSE.

AND THEN THE OTHER SORT OF CATEGORIES STACK UP THERE, YOU KNOW, ALL IMPORTANT, HELP US REACH THE TARGET.

SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE APPLY THIS ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2040, AND BY EVERYTHING IN THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY TRIED TO STAY IN THE REALM OF LIKE, THIS IS REALISTICALLY POSSIBLE, NOT LET'S JUST DOCTOR THE GOALS TO MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THEM REACH THE TARGET.

SO WHAT WE SHOW HERE IS THAT THERE IS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, LIKE A REAL GAP THAT WE MEET NEXT SLIDE.

SO THEN HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS THAT GAP? SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY LIKE PEOPLE DAY AND IT WAS UNDERNEATH THE CHOCOLATE, THE TARGET THERE.

UM, WE THINK THAT WE FULLY IMPLEMENT THOSE NATURAL SYSTEMS. UM, THOSE ARE THE STRATEGIES WE CAN, HER 700,000 TONS OF CARBON PER YEAR BY 2030.

SO THAT'S, UM, SORT OF WHITE GREEN THERE, BUT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE, UM, IN ALL LIKELY HAD BEEN FOR SOME AMOUNT OF OFFSETS.

AND THE PLAN IS WE HAVE, WE HAD A WORKING GROUP ON OFFSETS AND TO TRY TO NOW EXPLORE KIND OF WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD BE APPLIED TO WHERE AND WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES FOR OFFSETS, UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FUTURE LOOKING, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER CAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LACK OF CITY CONTROL AND THE NEED FOR INDUSTRIES TO EVOLVE, LIKE IT VERY MUCH PLAYS INTO THIS WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE LIKE FULL CONTROL OVER THIS REDUCTION.

THAT'S FINE, THAT'S IT.

SO, AS I SAID, THE FULL, UH, FULL DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE, UH, OR WE'LL BE TAKING COMMENTS THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, THEN WE WILL BE MAKING ALL THE FINAL WORD REVISIONS IN OCTOBER AND THEN AIMING FOR THE END OF OCTOBER, UH, EITHER, LIKE I SAID, EITHER OCTOBER 29TH OR NOVEMBER 12TH TO BRING THIS TO CITY.

SO THAT'S THE TIMELINE AND THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION SO I CAN GET THE QUESTIONS.

UM, LET ME THINK EXACTLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT PRESENTATION.

AND COMING BACK BEFORE US, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GO BEFORE 20 DIFFERENT, 20 PLUS DIFFERENT CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING AND YOUR TEAM IS DOING.

AND ALSO TO THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMISSION WHO HAS, UM, BEEN VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

UM, IF ARE OBJECTIONS I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO MOVE ITEM SIX ON THE AGENDA UP, UM, ITEM SIX IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON, ON THIS, UH, CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN.

UM, ANY OBJECTIONS.

BAD TREE COVER, REALLY POOR TREE COVER, WHICH HAS BEEN THE CONSEQUENTIAL INCREASED ENERGY.

UM, WELCOME COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER RICK BABIAK THAT, THAT YOU GUYS CAN JOIN US.

UM, SO I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS FOR ZACH.

WELL, I HAVE SEVERAL, UM, AND I KNOW ZACH WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT HE WOULD BE AS WELL MORE THAN ONE QUESTION ON YOUR TRANSPORTATION STUFF, SACK.

UM, DID YOU STUDY, OR WHERE DO YOU THINK AND ABOUT A TON OF BUS TRANSPORTATION AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO PLAY IN THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY DISTINCTLY INCLUDED.

WE WERE, WELL, I GUESS 10 YEARS OUT, UM, THE SOLUTIONS MIGHT START COMING.

UM, MOST OF THE STRATEGIES ARE KIND OF FOCUSED ON LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THE NEXT FOUR TO FIVE YEARS? AND SO THERE WASN'T A LOT OF, LIKE YOU GOT FROM THE GROUP THAT LIKE THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME DRAMATIC CHANGE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

UM, SO YEAH, WE DIDN'T REALLY, MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, UM, ABOUT TREE CANOPY.

UM, AND I THINK YOUR GOAL 50% SHADY COMMUNITIES, CERTAINLY A GOOD ONE.

UM, WHERE ARE WE NOW? I THINK THE LAST NUMBERS I SAW WERE, BUT CITYWIDE WHERE I THINK IT'S 37%, UM, IT'S VERY ON EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED.

SO THERE ARE PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE OVER 50%, BUT THEN THERE ARE PARTS THAT ARE DRAMATICALLY.

SO, UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY THAT GOAL IS SORT OF LIKE CONNECTED WITH THE CITY TREE, UM, ENROLLMENT SERVICES, TREE GROUPS, AND WATERSHED PROTECTION, THEIR, THEIR ENDORSEMENT OF WHAT THEY THINK THEIR, THERE WAS A WONDERFUL MAP IN THE NEW YORK TIMES OR HORRIFIC NAC.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU MAP TREE COVER AND, UM, POVERTY, UM, IN THE UNITED STATES, NOT SURPRISINGLY, UH, LOW INCOME NEIGHBORHOODS TENDED TO HAVE REALLY

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UM, AND THEN IN THE, UM, IN YOUR ANALYSIS, UH, WHERE WOULD THIS PUT US IN TERMS OF RANKS AMONG CITIES IN TERMS OF AGGRESSIVENESS? WELL, IF COUNCIL ADOPTS THAT THE TARGET OF NET ZERO BY 2040, UM, WILL BE ONE OF THE MOST AGGRESSIVE, LIKE ONE OF THE MOST PROGRESSIVE IN THE U S IN DEPARTMENTS, ALMOST ALL US CITIES RIGHT NOW HAVE BEEN ALMOST TRAJECTORY.

I CAN SHARE SLIDES FROM LIKE THE PROCESS THAT WE GOT TO SITE ON THE SCHOOL ARE EUROPEAN CITIES THAT ARE NOW, UM, ADOPTING GOALS OF ZERO BY 2040 AND 2035, 2030, BUT IN THE U S WE WILL BE LIKE NEAR THE FOREFRONT OR AT SOME POINT, WOULD YOU, EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO DIG THEM UP NOW, BUT IF HE WOULD SHARE SOME OF THE SLIDES WITH THE COMMISSION, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.

YUP.

I SUSPECT WE'LL BE CALLED UPON TO, UM, AS THIS GOES TO A LEGISLATOR OR TO THE COUNCIL, FOR OUR OPINION, AND HAVING THAT BIT OF AMMUNITION WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.

ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AT THE MOMENT, MAN.

I'M SURE OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ITEMS. YES.

GIVE MR. WHITE JUST A KIND OF COMMENT FIRST.

I WANT TO THANK ZACH AND EVERYBODY WHO HAS WORKED ON THIS, I THINK THAT IT'S BEEN A REALLY GOOD PROCESS AND A LOT OF GOOD WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

AND I THINK THAT THIS PLAN WOULD BE A REALLY BIG STEP FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY PENCIL A JOB SET, AND WE CAN ALL TAKE THAT NEXT STEP OF ACTUALLY GETTING IT IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE THAT'LL BE HUGE THING.

UM, AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL ACHIEVE THE VERSION OF THE PLAN AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IMPLEMENTATION THERE'S SOME MAJOR WORK TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING AND WORKING OUT SOME NEXT STEPS.

SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PUT THEM IN PEOPLE'S MINDS, BUT, UM, ALSO JUST WANTED TO MAKE FOLKS AWARE, BUT, UH, TEXAS GUESTS HAS BEEN ACTIVE IN LOBBYING ON THIS PLAN.

AND THE VERSION THAT WAS RELEASED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOT THE SAME IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THE VERSION THAT EVEN LAST MONTH I WAS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF TEEING UP SOME OF THE GOALS AND STRATEGIES.

AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT THERE WERE BOWLS AROUND REDUCING NATURAL GAS USE AND ABOUT ELECTRIFICATION OF BUILDINGS AS A VERY CLEAR, THIS IS THE WAY FORWARD KIND OF STRATEGY.

NOW, WHAT YOU SEE IN THERE IS THAT THAT IS ONE OF SEVERAL OPTIONS.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS APPROPRIATE, THAT THOSE CHANGES WERE MADE.

I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST TO, FROM A CLIMATE PERSPECTIVE, FROM A HEALTH PERSPECTIVE OR FOR AFFORDABILITY.

AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS OUT, THIS COMMISSION NUMEROUS TIMES, UH, IN THE PAST.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL ARE AWARE OF THAT.

AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING AND I, YOU KNOW, INDICATED THAT I INTENDED TO BRING A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING, UH, THIS PLAN TO THIS MEETING.

AND WE DID ADOPT THAT IF THEIR JOINT SUSTAINABILITY COMMITTEE.

UM, SO I JUST WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT.

THAT HAPPENED BEFORE THE PLAN WAS ACTUALLY RELEASED.

SO I WAS WORKING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT THOSE THINGS THAT WERE IN THERE WERE GOING TO REMAIN IN THERE.

UM, NOW THAT THEY'RE NOT, I'M HOLDING OFF, I'M PUTTING FORTH THAT RESOLUTION.

I THINK WE'LL STILL HAVE TIME NEXT MONTH TO DO THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL.

SO IT IS MY HOPE THAT THIS COMMISSION WILL ADOPT SOMETHING, UH, SUPPORTING.

I DO THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT, UH, IN THE MORE IMMEDIATE I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHETHER WE TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION OR NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK MAKING IT CLEAR THAT PHASING OUT THE USE OF NATURAL BATHS STARTING WITH NEW BUILDINGS IS, YOU KNOW, AN ABSOLUTELY APPROPRIATE STRATEGY AND A CLIMATE PLAN.

IF I SHARE WHAT, ARE THERE OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR RESPONSES TO OF EVA'S COMMENTS, JONATHAN, ARE YOU, I BELIEVE YOU'RE MUTED.

IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE TALKING.

UM, A QUESTION ON THAT.

CAN, YOU CAN HEAR ME NOW? YES.

ON THAT POINT, I THINK PROBABLY FOR ZACH, BUT YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE GRAPH YOU SHOWED WHERE YOU STACKED UP THE EMISSIONS REDUCTIONS VERSUS THE PLAN IN THAT GRADE BIT, ARE, IS THERE ANY DATA OR ARE YOU ABLE TO TIE THAT TO MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY A FUEL TYPE, BUT CAN'T, CAN WE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT GAP, UM, YOU KNOW, THE GREAT BIT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE CAN IS TIED TO THE USE OF NATURAL GAS? YES.

KIND OF A QUESTION

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SO, SO I BELIEVE THERE WAS A, LIKE A WORKING GROUP AT RMC, LIKE DIVE INTO THE DEPTHS ON THESE NUMBERS.

UM, YEAH, SO NATURAL GAS EMISSIONS FROM NATURAL GAS IN BUILDINGS FOR SPACE CONDITIONING FOR EATING WATER AND SUCH AND COOKING IS ABOUT 11% OF THE TOTAL EMISSIONS.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY IT STARTS AT 11 AND THEN AS WE REDUCE EMISSIONS DOWN, THAT PERCENTAGE GROWS, IT STAYS STATIC.

UM, SO, UM, YEAH, SO LET'S SEE, I GUESS THE TOTAL 11% OF IT'S LIKE A LITTLE BIT OVER A MILLION TONS PER YEAR, THE TOTAL EMISSIONS OF ALL OF THE NATURAL GAS USAGE.

SO IF WE WERE TO GET THAT TOTALLY TO ZERO, THAT WOULD BE ONE POINT SOME MILLION.

GOTCHA.

DON'T WANT TO BE TOTALLY LIKE GETTING IT TO ZERO WOULD MAKE US LIKE TOTALLY MEET THE 20, 30 TARGET.

BUT AT THIS POINT, LIKE EVERY, EVERY AMOUNT OF CATS YEAH.

PUT THAT IN CONTEXT, EVEN THE, THE RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL PASSED ADOPTING THE CURRENT GOAL, UH, ESTABLISHED, TRYING TO LIMIT THE USE OF OFFSETS TO 10% OF THE WHOLE.

SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT, NATURAL GAS SECTOR WOULD BE EATING UP MORE THAN THAT TOTAL 10%.

AND WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE OTHER EMISSIONS THAT WE JUST ARE PROBABLY UNLIKELY TO GET TO ZERO THINGS LIKE HEAVY MACHINERY.

AND, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE ARE OTHER SOURCES THAT ARE MORE DIFFICULT THAN, YOU KNOW, BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS WITHOUT NATURAL GAS APPLIANCES AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EAT UP THE WHOLE 10% IN ONE AREA LIKE THAT.

SO, UM, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, I KNOW WE HAD AN UPDATE LATER IN OUR AGENDA FOR THE, AN UPDATE FROM THE WORKING GROUP, UH, ON THE, THE CLIMATE EMISSIONS DASHBOARD, UM, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR OUR OTHER SPEAKERS.

UM, HOW WOULD YOU ALL FEEL ABOUT MOVING ON WITH OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY, BUT THEN KIND OF, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU INTEND TO PROPOSE A RESOLUTION TO THIS COMMISSION AT OUR OCTOBER MEETING THAT WOULD BE, UH, INFORMED BY THE WORK OF THE WORKING GROUP.

AM I, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? OR AM I IN MY WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH? NO.

NO, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE WORKING GROUP IS NECESSARILY WEIGHING IN ON THIS.

I THOUGHT THAT WAS MORE ABOUT KIND OF VISUALIZE SOME OF THE DATA.

IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT? YEAH.

WE'RE JUST GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFICS OF LIKE ANY QUESTION ABOUT PERCENTAGES OR AMOUNTS OR WHAT IMPACT IS WHAT POLICY DECISION HAVE.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO DIVE INTO THE DETAILS OF LIKE ONE PACKAGES, GRAPHS.

SO, AND, AND SO I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT, AND I DON'T MEAN TO PUT TWO THINGS TOGETHER IF THEY DON'T GO TOGETHER, BUT IT DOES FEEL LIKE THAT WORKING GROUP AND DIVING INTO THE DETAILS.

WE WILL BETTER UNDERSTAND THE ANSWER TO JONATHAN'S QUESTION ON EXACTLY HOW MUCH, UM, WOULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL BUILDING ELECTRIFICATION OR HOW MUCH REALLY IS RESIDENTIAL, NATURAL GAS CONTRIBUTING, UM, WHICH CAN HELP, I THINK, INFORM THIS DISCUSSION.

BUT I ALSO DO APPRECIATE THE CHI THAT, UM, IS, IS PER IT MAY INFORM THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE, BUT, UM, MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE, UH, UH, THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE SEPARATE TOPICS.

UM, BUT SO IF, UH, WOULD THE COMMISSION AGREE TO, UM, MOVING ON FROM THIS AGENDA ITEM NOW AND TAKING POSSIBLE ACTION AT OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING? OR IS THERE ANYONE WHO'D LIKE TO TAKE ACTION NOW, TAKE ACTION ON THAT? I THINK WE JUST WANTED TO PUT IT IN MY REAL QUICK, MY 2 CENTS ON ONE ITEM, JUST RELATED TO WHAT I SAW ON THE, ON THE, AGAIN, THAT SAME CHART OF THE REDUCTION AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE TRANSIT AND THE BIKING AND WALKING, AND THEN IT'S NOT REALLY OUR KIND OF OUR SPACE TOO MUCH, BUT, UM, JUST

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WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE ARE THE CURRENT VALUES AND THE GOAL VALUES, THOSE, YOU KNOW, THEY SEEM LESS THAN THEY SEEM KIND OF LIKE SMALLER VALUES, RIGHT.

JUST RELATIVELY.

AND I ALWAYS THINK IT'S A METRIC ARE HARDER TO VISUALIZE AND KIND OF SHOW IMPACT AND CHANGE.

SO MAYBE WORTH RECONSIDERING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S LIKE PERCENT OF TOTAL, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL, UM, OF, OF SOMEBODY WHO NECESSARILY TRAVEL, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I CAN, YOU KNOW, MYSELF, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GO IN A, IN A WAY OF GETTING AN 80% OF MY NEEDS DONE TO I'M WALKING OR BIKING.

BUT IF I DO THAT AS A TOTAL DISTANCE METRIC, YOU KNOW, I DRIVE ONCE TO, YOU KNOW, GO GET FOOD SOMEWHERE.

AND THAT IS, IS, WOULD NOT ACTUALLY THAT, THAT WOULD INCREASE MY DISTANCE TRUMP BY A LOT.

SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF ONE THING THAT I, UM, IT MAY BE WORTH RECONSIDERING THE WAY THAT'S LOOKED AT.

THAT'S IT.

THANKS FOR THAT.

WELL, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

NOW LET'S, UH, LET'S MOVE ON OUR AGENDA, UH, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE, UH, AUSTIN SHINES PROJECT.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE BILL KELLY HERE TOO.

UM, I'M SORRY, ZACH.

SO NOW LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I TYPICALLY, I APOLOGIZE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM,

[4. Staff Presentation on the Austin Sustainable and Holistic Integration of Energy Storage and Solar Photovoltaics (SHINES) project.]

UM, ON THE AUSTIN SHINES PROJECT CITY HALL, THERE SHOULD BE A PRESENTATION.

CRICKETS WAS PRETTY GOOD.

LIKE AS IF NO ONE COULD HEAR ME THEN CRICKETS WERE PLAYING.

THAT'S GREAT.

I'M A DISTRIBUTION PROCESS MANAGER FOR ADVANCED GRID TECHNOLOGIES AND DER INTEGRATION IS ONE OF THE PROGRAMS UNDERNEATH THAT UMBRELLA.

UM, I'M SURE THAT MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH SHINES AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH SHINES, YOU'RE USED TO SEEING LISA MARTIN.

SO YOU'RE WILDLY DISAPPOINTED THAT SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT I WILL DO MY BEST TO DO MY BEST TO FILL HER, FILL HER SHOES.

SO WE'LL GIVE A, UH, I KNOW WE'VE GOT TIME CONSTRAINTS, UM, BUT WE WILL GIVE A, A BRIEF UPDATE ON PROJECT SUMMARY AND THEN FINDINGS TO DATE.

AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO CONTINUE TO REINFORCE IS THAT THERE ARE FINDINGS TO DATE.

WE ARE STILL IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES, UM, OF THE POST DEMONSTRATION PERIOD, UM, ON THIS PROJECT.

SO, UM, IF WE WANT TO JUMP RIGHT AHEAD TO SLIDE NUMBER THREE, THERE YOU GO.

SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, JUST A QUICK, UH, I'LL GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF SLIDES OF A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, OF SHINES JUST TO REFRESH EVERYBODY.

UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE POINTS IN THERE WILL LEAD INTO, UM, UH, SOME MORE OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT WE HAVE.

SO FOR THOSE OF YOU, UM, FAMILIAR WITH SIGNS OR ROUGHLY FAMILIAR SIGNS, THAT IS THE SUSTAINABLE AND HOLISTIC INTEGRATION OF ENERGY STORAGE AND SOLAR PV, UH, IT'S A DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY GRANT THAT AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, PLAYED A PART IN, WAS FUNDED, UM, AT THE AMOUNT OF $4.3 MILLION WITH A TCEQ GRANT OF A MILLION DOLLARS ON TOP OF THAT.

UM, IN ADDITION TO THE INVESTMENT THAT THE AUSTIN ENERGY MAINTENANCE.

SO THE OVERALL CONCEPT OF IT IS TO INTEGRATE UTILITY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DER RESOURCES, UM, INTO ONE AGGREGATE AND BE ABLE TO CONTROL THAT THROUGH A DISTRIBUTED RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

A DERMS ARE WHAT WE CALL, UM, A DERAIL IN HOUSE.

UM, NEXT SLIDE, SLIDE FOUR, IF YOU WOULD.

OKAY, ONE MORE.

CAN YOU GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE? THERE WE GO.

COMMERCIAL SCALE, WE HAD THREE AGGREGATED BATTERIES AND PV, SO THERE WERE THREE LOCATIONS AASB SITE AND AUSTIN COMMUNITY COLLEGE SITE AND THE JEREMIAH HOUSE.

I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY ON MY SIDE.

UM, AS AN ASIDE, WE HAVE, UH, UH, A POD OF A FOUR, 10 YEAR OLDS DOWNSTAIRS.

AND SO THEY'RE HOGGING UP ALL THE BANDWIDTH ON THEIR VIRTUAL MACHINES.

THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE EXTREMELY LOUD.

SO JUST IN CASE ANY NEW ONES COMES THROUGH.

SO ANYWAY, THE, THE AUSTIN SHINES ASSETS THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UM, THE TWO ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, ONE AT KINGSBURY, WHICH IS THE PICTURE IMMEDIATELY TO THE RIGHT, A LITTLE LOMA COMMUNITY.

SOLAR FARM IS RIGHT OVER THAT FENCE.

UH, AND THEN THE MUELLER ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM IS ON THE FAR, RIGHT.

THAT'S A DRONE VIEW.

IT'S NOT THE LATEST VIEW.

IN FACT, THAT WAS THERE YESTERDAY.

UM, AND IT IS NEARLY COMPLETE MINUS AND PUNCH ITEMS, AND IT REALLY LOOKS BEAUTIFUL FROM THE OUTSIDE.

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AND THEN FROM THE RESIDENTIAL SCALE, WE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ASSETS.

WE HAD, UM, SIX AGGREGATED BATTERIES WITH, WITH PV ONE, UH, ELECTRIC VEHICLE AT PECAN STREET HEADQUARTERS, 12 UTILITY CONTROL, TV, SMART INVERTERS, AND SIX AUTONOMOUS SMART INVERTERS.

NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WE IDENTIFIED ABOUT SIX USE CASES OVER THREE VALUE STREAMS THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO, UM, TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND FOCUS ON.

SO FROM THE MARKET PERSPECTIVE, WE WANTED TO TAKE A LOOK AT UTILITY PEAK LOAD REDUCTION, UH, DAY AHEAD, ARBITRAGE AND REALTIME PRICE DISPATCH.

SO LOOKING AT PRICES A DAY AHEAD, AND THEN REALTIME PRICE DISPATCH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, UH, PRICE SPIKES FOR GRID, RELIABILITY, VOLTAGE SUPPORT, AND DISTRIBUTION, CONGESTION MANAGEMENT WERE VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

THEY WERE VERY VALUABLE USE CASES TO THE UTILITY AND THEN, UH, TO THE CUSTOMER DEMAND CHARGE REDUCTION WAS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON.

UM, AND AGAIN, TAKING EITHER IN AGGREGATE OR IN PART, THESE USE CASES ON THESE VALUE STREAMS TO SEE, UM, HOW WE CAN MAXIMIZE THE BENEFIT AND, UH, MOST OF IT USING A DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.

UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO WITHIN THOSE USE CASES, UM, THIS IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE VALUE STACK, RIGHT? SO ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IN THE GRAY, UM, YOU'LL SEE LISTED, UH, THE ASSETS THAT WE HAVE IN THE PROFILE.

SO KINGSBURY MUELLER, UH, ON THE GRID SCALE SIDE, AND THEN OUR COMMERCIAL ASSETS AND OUR RESIDENTIAL PV, UM, ASSETS AS WELL, EACH ONE OF THOSE USE CASES LISTED OUT UNDER THE VALUE STREAMS AND THEN WHICH ASSETS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF WE COULD DO THE VALUE STACK ON BASICALLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS FOR THE INVESTMENT, UM, THAT WAS MADE.

AND THAT IS REALLY, UH, ONE OF THE KEY POINTS IS TO TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH THE ECONOMIC AND THE TECHNICAL USE CASES TO SEE IF YOU CAN HAVE THOSE LINEUP AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS LINE UP.

RIGHT.

SO TRYING TO SATISFY ALL OF THE NEEDS IN THAT ONE STACK COULD ELIMINATE THE SYSTEM'S ABILITY TO EVEN MAKE A DECISION.

RIGHT.

SO, UM, YES, IN ONE COLUMN, NO, AND THE OTHER NEGATES EACH OTHER, AND YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE PRIORITIZATION OF THE VALUES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DRIVE OUT OF THE SYSTEM.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

LAGGING BEHIND THE TECHNOLOGY, AND WHICH IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE CASE FOR, FOR JUST A LITTLE WHILE AS THIS TECHNOLOGY KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY.

AGAIN, FINDINGS TO DATE.

SO, UM, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO FINDINGS TO DATE AGAIN, MEANS, UM, THE SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

THE DEMONSTRATION PERIOD IS OVER, BUT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN RUNNING THEM FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO WHAT WE FOUND TO DATE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TODAY, UH, IN SHORT THERE'S TECHNICAL LESSONS AND THEN THERE'S ECONOMIC LESSONS, RIGHT? SO FIRST THING WE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON IS THE TECHNICAL LESSONS THAT WE LEARNED.

SO WHEN TAKING A LOOK AT THESE SYSTEMS, INTEROPERABILITY WAS, UH, IS A BIG KEY TO THE SUCCESS OF THESE SYSTEMS. UM, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE MATURE SYSTEMS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE, UH, MATURE STANDARDS, UM, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH, YOU KNOW, PLUG AND PLAY ABILITY, EITHER A SOFTWARE PERSPECTIVE, A COMMUNICATION PERSPECTIVE, UH, AN INTEGRATION PERSPECTIVE, HARDWARE PERSPECTIVE.

UM, WHAT WE FOUND IS RICK, THIS KIND OF NASCENT TECHNOLOGY, EVEN THE, UM, INTEROPERABILITY AND OPEN STANDARDS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO USE STILL NEEDED.

SOME CONFIGURATION.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS AVOID VENDOR LOCK, ESPECIALLY WITH SOMETHING, UM, UH, AS SIGNIFICANT AS AN ENERGY SOURCE SYSTEM AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES THAT HAVE TO GO INTO IT, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE YOU WANT TO AVOID VENDOR LOCK IN, UM, SIZING IS CRITICAL AS WELL.

IT'S HIGHLY DEPENDENT UPON THE VALUE APPLICATION IN THE GRID LOCATION THAT YOU'RE, THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? SO FROM A RESIDENTIAL OR A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, HOW LARGE CAN YOU ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATE, WHAT IS THE VALUE YOU'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THAT? AND FROM A UTILITY PERSPECTIVE, SIZING SPECIFICALLY, UH, FROM A REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE, HOW BIG IS TOO BIG TO ACCOMPLISH THE VALUES THAT YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH WITH IT? IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, LOAD REDUCTION FROM THE UTILITY SIDE, FROM ERCOT PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE TO BE BELOW THAT ONE MEGAWATT LIMIT.

OUR SYSTEMS ARE A MEGAWATT AND A HALF.

SO, UM, IT'S UH, AND THEN FROM A VAR PERSPECTIVE OR FROM A GRID CONGESTION AND, AND, UH, RESOURCE MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE, HOW CLOSE TO THE SUBSTATION ARE YOU, OR HOW CLOSE TO THE END OF THE THEATER ARE YOU AS WELL? UM, CITING IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.

AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ENCOUNTERED WERE THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND, UH, AND I'LL EVEN BUNDLE SAFETY IN HERE.

EVEN THE FIRE CODES WERE, UM,

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WHAT WE FOUND MORE AND MORE OFTEN WAS WE WOULD, UM, HAVE REVIEWS FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

WE WOULD HAVE REVIEWS FROM CODE DEVELOPMENT, INTO VERBATIM THOSE SPECIFIC CODES, UM, THAT, UH, ALIGNED TO THE, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATIONS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.

AND SO THAT WAS A BIG LEARNING PROCESS FOR US, WHICH IS WORKING WITH CODES AND COMPLIANCE AND WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT WE SAFELY, UH, INSTALLED THESE SYSTEMS. UM, BUT THAT WE DID SO AND GAVE THEM COMFORT AND DID SO WITH, FROM A, UM, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING UPON WHAT THE ACTUAL CODES AND PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD BE IN THE FUTURE.

NEXT SLIDE ECONOMICS.

SO ALL THE TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENTS AND INNOVATIONS IN THE WORLD CAN BE GREAT, BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FROM AN ECONOMICS PERSPECTIVE AND REALLY WHAT DO YOU HAVE? SO FROM A HOLISTIC CONTROL PERSPECTIVE, VALUE STACKING IS POSSIBLE.

YOU CAN, UM, GENERATE MORE VALUE, UM, THAN JUST ONE OF THOSE USE CASES, BUT YOUR PRIORITIZATION HAS TO BE CRITICAL.

AND AGAIN, IF, UM, IF EVERYTHING'S A PRIORITY, THEN NOTHING'S A PRIORITY.

UM, WHAT WE FOUND WITH THE SYSTEM IS WHEN YOU TAKE EVERYTHING IN AGGREGATE, UM, YOU'RE GOING LOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO BENEFIT THE CUSTOMER.

YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO BENEFIT GREAT RELIABILITY.

UM, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE OF YOUR SYSTEMS. YOU REALLY NEED TO PRIORITIZE THOSE AND TAKE THEM ALL INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, BUNDLE THEM IF YOU CAN, BUT REALLY ALMOST TAKE THEM TO SEPARATE ENTITIES AND USE CASES.

UH, WHEN, WHEN YOU NEED TO RELIABILITY IS ABSOLUTELY HIGHLY DEPENDENT UPON THE LOCATION AND UNDERLYING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE INTERCONNECTED GRID.

CAN'T UNDERSCORE THAT ENOUGH.

SO ON THE FEEDERS THAT WE HAVE ARE TO, UH, UTILITY SCALE, UH, ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW, UM, AUSTIN ENERGY ACROSS THE TERRITORY HAS A VERY RELIABLE GRID AS IT IS.

UM, SOME OF THE USE CASES IS REALLY, UM, DEPENDS UPON CONGESTION MANAGEMENT AND DEPEND UPON, UM, SOLAR PENETRATION AND DER PENETRATION, UH, UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS.

AND THE STUDIES THAT WE HAVE PARTICIPATED IN WITH UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AND PECAN STREET SAY THAT ROUGHLY AROUND 25% TO 40%, UM, PENETRATION RATE IS WHEN YOU'LL START TO SEE CONGESTION, UM, AND RELIABILITY PROBLEMS, OUR HEAVIEST PENETRATION RATE RIGHT NOW.

AND THOSE ARE ON THE FEEDERS THAT WE ARE SPECIFICALLY AT METER MUELLER IS 6%.

SO FROM A RELIABILITY PERSPECTIVE, ORGANICALLY, THOSE SYSTEMS HAVE NEVER DISCHARGED BECAUSE OF RELIABILITY.

WE HAD TO MODIFY THEM, UM, FROM THE SYSTEM PERSPECTIVE, IN ORDER TO SEE THEM DISCHARGE AND CHARGE WHEN THEY SAW CERTAIN VARIABLES, UM, COST VERSUS VALUE.

UM, THE VALUE BATTERY STORAGE DOES NOT YET, UH, WEIGH THE COST.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY, UM, THE BOTTOM LINE, THE VALUE THAT YOU CAN GET OUT OF IT.

SOME OF IT IS HARD VALUE.

SOME OF IT IS SOFT VALUE, BUT BASED UPON ALL OF THE VARIABLES THAT WE'VE SEEN, THE GRID RELIABILITY VALUE JUST ISN'T THERE YET.

UM, AND THE COST IS EXTREMELY EXTREMELY HIGH.

UH, AND THEN LOAD MANAGEMENT LOAD MANAGEMENT CAN BE IMPACTED UTILIZING DER, BUT IT MIGHT NOT BE ECONOMICAL IN THE END, UM, EVEN WITH THE ADVANCEMENT OF DER, UM, AND THE PROLIFERATION OF IT.

AND AUSTIN ENERGY'S GOAL OF BEING THAT GREEN GRIECO, THERE MAY BE, UM, MORE ECONOMICAL WAYS TO PERFORM LOAD MANAGEMENT THERE MORE RATHER THAN, UH, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS MAKING UP 50% OF OUR LOAD DURING THE SUMMERTIME, RATHER THAN USING DER, WHICH CAN BE EXPENSIVE, UTILIZING A HOME ENERGY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM OR A THERMOSTAT WHERE YOU CAN CYCLE DOWN YOUR HPAC, YOUR POOL PUMPS, ET CETERA, UH, MAY BE FAR MORE ECONOMICAL THAN ADDING AN ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEM OR ADDING, UM, ADDING PV.

NOT THAT THERE'S NOT VALUE THERE.

IT JUST MIGHT BE MORE ECONOMICAL.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO THE TIPPING POINTS, RIGHT? SO ECONOMICS IS A PRIMARY IMPERATIVE WHEN DEPLOYMENT DEPLOYMENT COSTS ARE TECHNOLOGY, CLOT COSTS DECREASE, AND THEN THE VALUE INCREASES THAT MIGHT BE THE COMBINATION OF VARIABLES.

IT STARTS TO HIT THAT TIPPING POINT OF YOU'RE IN THE RED.

NOW YOU'RE IN THE BLACK I'M, INCLUDING ALL OF YOUR SOFT COSTS AND ALL OF YOUR SOFT VALUES, THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS.

AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE ON THE BLEEDING EDGE OF FRONT EDGE OF DOING THINGS LIKE THIS, WHAT YOU LEARN IS THAT THE MARKET, UM, IS FULL OF, UH, UH, FIRST-COME VENDORS.

AND WHAT THEY PUT OUT IS A LOT OF, UH, PROPRIETARY, UM, HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, AND INTEGRATIONS.

THERE'S A PUSH, UM, TO BECOME AGNOSTIC.

UM, BUT

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ALL OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL BENEFITS, UM, DON'T MATTER IN A LONG TERM SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD, PLUG AND PLAY AND FIND ALTERNATIVES, UH, AND THEN POLICY IMPERATIVES.

SO REGULATORY CHANGES MAY, MAY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE USE OF STORAGE, UM, SPECIFICALLY ON THE GRID SCALE SIDE, UH, MARKET CHANGES MIGHT DO THAT AS WELL.

UH, AND THEN FROM EITHER PERSPECTIVE, MANDATES OR INCENTIVES, SOMETHING THAT CAN HELP BRING DOWN THE COST OF ENERGY STORAGE MIGHT ACTUALLY BENEFIT, UM, AS I'M SURE WE ALL KNOW, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT OUR POSITION IS, WE HAVE THESE ASSETS IN THE FIELD THAT WE HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO DEVELOP ENGINEER IMPLEMENT.

UM, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF USE CASES WHERE WE CAN START TO, UM, UTILIZE THAT KNOWLEDGE, UH, MOVING FORWARD.

SO MAINTAINING READINESS THROUGH CONTINUED RESOURCES, ASSETS, OR SOMETHING, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO TAKE A LOOK AT AND, UM, AND UTILIZED TO THEIR FULLEST EXTENT.

WE'VE MADE THE INVESTMENT, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP, UH, CONTINUE TO USE THEM, UH, OPERATIONALLY AND, UM, IN ANY OTHER GRANT FUNDED OPPORTUNITIES OR PILOT PROGRAMS, WE CAN GET TO A NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO WHERE DID WE GO FROM HERE AGAIN? I, I TOUCHED ON THAT BRIEFLY, UM, JUST THEN, AND I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH ON IT AGAIN, THERE'S, THERE'S, UM, UH, DOZENS AND DOZENS OF USE CASES WHERE, UM, ONCE THESE SYSTEMS, UM, HAVE MATURED, WE CAN START TO UTILIZE THEM EVEN MORE, BUT THE REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF IS THEY'RE NOT MATURE.

THEY HAVEN'T BEEN OPERATING, WE HAVEN'T BEEN OPERATING THEM, UM, UH, AFTER THE DEMONSTRATION PERIOD, UM, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN LESS THAN A YEAR.

SO THE EXCITING PART IS THE, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.

NOW THE REAL WORK IMPLEMENTING THEM WAS ONE THING NOW REALLY TAKING THEM BACK, DECONSTRUCTING THEM, REBUILDING THEM AGAIN, AND FINDING THOSE VALUE AND USE CASES IN THOSE EXTREMES ARE REALLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CAPITALIZE ON GOING FORWARD, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE 20, 30 GEN PLAN, TAKING THOSE LESSONS LEARNED AND APPLYING THEM TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEET THOSE GOALS.

UH, NEXT SLIDE.

HAD TO, UH, MANUFACTURE THEM TO SEE THAT THE ACT, THE SYSTEM WOULD ACTUALLY RESPOND.

THESE SLIDES ARE, UM, ARE BASICALLY, UH, I KNOW THE PRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DISSEMINATED.

SO, UH, THERE IS MORE INFORMATION THERE, A LOT MORE TECHNICAL INFORMATION, UM, RATHER THAN THE SUMMARY THAT I JUST PROVIDED, THE SHINES GRANT REPORTING, THE SIX DIFFERENT, UH, DELIVERABLES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED IN, UH, MAY TIME FRAME.

AND, UH, THE DOE HAS ABOUT SIX MONTHS TO NINE MONTHS TO REVIEW THEM AND APPROVE THEM.

SO WE'RE STILL IN THAT KIND OF WAITING PERIOD, BUT, UH, WE ARE IN THE DEMO.

UH, WE ARE POST DEMONSTRATION PERIOD IN THAT.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY INTEREST IN READING THOSE, UM, THEY ARE REALLY VERY INFORMATIVE AND DO HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL.

AND THEN, UH, NEXT SLIDE, AND THEN THIS IS THE DER WHITE PAPER WHILE IT WAS WRITTEN IN SEPTEMBER, 2019, UH, IN CAPSULATES, A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION FROM A SUMMARY PERSPECTIVE THAT I PROVIDED TODAY.

AND THEN ALSO THAT HAS BEEN IN, UM, THE FINAL DELIVERABLES.

UM, SO THOSE ARE ALSO PUBLICLY AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL.

AND THAT'S IT, THAT'S OUR UPDATE FOR NOW.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KELLY.

IT'S A FASCINATING PROJECT AND WE REALLY, TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, CLEARLY THERE'S A LOT OF, UM, I THINK THESE, MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THESE LESSONS ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR THE INDUSTRY AND FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO, SO THANK YOU.

UM, I I'LL OPEN IT UP, UH, TO THE COMMISSION FOR, FOR QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR MR. KELLY, RIGHT? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO KIND OF STARTING ON YOUR, LIKE SLIDE FIVE, WHERE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE VALUE STACKING, DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS PROVIDE ANY KIND OF VISIBILITY AND TO LIKE THE QUANTIFICATION OF WHAT IS THE VALUE OF THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE ATTRIBUTES THAT ARE NOT ENERGY RELATED? SO FOR EXAMPLE, THE GRID RELIABILITY ATTRIBUTES, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S KIND OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THOSE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, VOLTAGE SUPPORT, DISTRIBUTION, CONGESTION MANAGEMENT THAT HAS VALUE TO AUSTIN ENERGY, BUT MAYBE FROM THE CUSTOMER SIDE OR FROM A VENDOR SIDE, IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT THAT VALUE IS.

AND THAT WAS MORE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A SMOOTHER INTERFACE WITH HAVING KIND OF PRIVATE SECTOR, UH, ALL, YOU KNOW, OFFERING PROJECTS THAT CAN PROVIDE THOSE VALUES.

YOU GUYS, HOW DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT? SO WE DO THINK ABOUT IT, AND I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG LESSONS THAT WE HAD, ESPECIALLY BASED WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BOTH SPORT AND DISTRIBUTION, CONGESTION MANAGEMENT IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE TODAY.

WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE FEATURES OR SPECIFICALLY THROUGHOUT THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

UM, SO WE

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SO GOING FORWARD, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE WE ARE.

WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE'RE IN THE POSITION THAT WE'RE IN.

HOWEVER, UH, NOW STARTS THE HARD WORK RIGHT.

STARTS TO WORK WHERE WE START TO MODEL, OKAY, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THOSE, THOSE, UH, THOSE POINTS IN TIME ON WHICH FEEDERS, UH, WHEN'S OUR PENETRATION RATE GOING TO GO UP? AND THEN AGAIN, HOW MUCH DO WE VALUE THEM? I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LEARNED IS WHEN YOU TAKE, UM, FROM THE SHINE PERSPECTIVE, YOU'VE GOT COMMERCIAL, YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTIAL AND UTILITY, AND WHEN YOU BUNDLE THEM ALL TOGETHER, THAT SYSTEM IS GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS PRIMARILY, HOWEVER YOU SET THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS TO BE.

AND BECAUSE THE BIGGEST PART OF IT IS WITH ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS, THE GRID SCALE, IT WAS MAKING RELIABILITY DECISIONS FOR THE ENTIRE FLEET AND WASN'T OPERATING THE REST OF THE ASSETS.

AND SO WHAT WE FOUND WAS UNBUNDLING AND UNCOUPLING THOSE THINGS AND CHANGING THE PRIORITIES IS REALLY WHERE THE VALUE, ESPECIALLY FOR THE CUSTOMER, FROM THE COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE, AND THE RESIDENTIAL PERSPECTIVE COMES IN NOW, DO WE HAVE A FIRM NUMBER? CAN I SAY VOLTAGE SUPPORT IS WORTH AND PLUS X, NO, WE DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON WHEN IT COMES SPECIFICALLY TO THESE SYSTEMS. YEAH.

AND I ALMOST WONDER IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL ONE, MAYBE IT'S, MAYBE IT'S CAPTURED IN ONE OF THESE, BUT ADDITIONAL ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS OR TECHNOLOGIES AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO, UM, UPGRADING OR BUILDING NEW TRANSMISSION OR DISTRIBUTION ASSETS.

DO YOU GUYS LOOK AT THAT AS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING A NEW POWER LINE, WE PUT IN SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, EITHER PV OR A STORAGE SYSTEM TO SHORE UP THAT BIT OF THE GRID.

YEAH, WE ABSOLUTELY KNEW.

SO PART OF THE 2030 GEM PLAN HAS A TRANSMISSION STUDY ATTACHED TO IT.

WE'VE GOT WORKING GROUPS WITHIN THE UTILITY RIGHT NOW.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY THAT.

TAKING A LOOK AT MULTIPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN DER IS, IS CERTAINLY A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THAT.

HOW CAN WE USE NON WIRES, ALTERNATIVES OR DER TO OFFSET, UM, NEW TRANSMISSION? YEAH.

I MEAN, THIS IS VERY INTERESTING.

THIS PROJECT IS, IS REALLY GREAT.

UM, I, I JUST, UH, I GUESS MY, MY ONE COMMENT IS THAT IT IS, SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU ARE ABLE TO MORE EFFECTIVELY KIND OF PUBLICIZE, WHAT, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC GRID ISSUES IN SPECIFIC AREAS AND, YOU KNOW, GET PRIVATE SECTOR PROPOSALS EVEN FOR, FOR PROJECTS THAT MIGHT, UM, YOU KNOW, BE MORE ECONOMIC, UM, YOU KNOW, COULD, COULD BE A REALLY INTERESTING WAY TO KIND OF LEVERAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE WHAT THE INDUSTRY CAN DO FOR YOU, YOU KNOW? ABSOLUTELY.

I'M JUST TAKING NOTES, THAT'S IT DANA? I MEAN, OVERALL, THIS IS A, THIS IS AN AMAZING PROJECT.

YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY KILLED IT WITH WHAT THE SHINES AGREED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR TAKING THE TIME TO SPEAK WITH US BILL AND FOR THIS UPDATE, I'M SURE WE COULD ASK A MILLION QUESTIONS ON, ON THE PROJECT AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO FOLLOW, UM, MORE AND MORE UPDATES AS THEY'RE AVAILABLE.

UM, HOWEVER, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, UH, I SEE WE'VE ONLY GOT 20 MINUTES LEFT.

I'M GOING TO MOVE US ALONG.

SO MR. KELLY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU BECAUSE I COULD ACTUALLY ONE THING, I'M SORRY.

I LIKED EVERYTHING THAT YOU PRESENTED, ESPECIALLY ON THE, ON THE LESSONS, BUT I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS, UM, WHERE, WHERE ARE THE KIND OF NEXT STEPS IS AS ACTIONS FROM YOUR TEAM? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT, ALL OF A SUDDEN, LIKE THIS IS MEANT TO BE LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, A CASE STUDY AND LEARN, BUT YOU BROUGHT UP THINGS, UM, THAT ARE MAYBE MORE OUTSIDE OF LIKE THE, THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF, OF, OF DEPLOYMENTS THINGS, UM, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC TO LIKE BUILDING CODES AND FIRE SAFETY.

IS THERE GOING TO BE OUR HAS ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL MAY NEED AS FAR AS TO KNOW ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOCAL CHANGES TO BUILDING CODES, PERMEATING PROCESSES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, UM, AND I CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION, BUT THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE WE'RE WORKING, UH, ALONGSIDE CODE, WE'RE WORKING SPECIFICALLY ALONGSIDE OFF THE FIRE.

UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING PENDING SPECIFICALLY.

SO I'D BE, I'D BE WAY, WAY IN FRONT OF MY SKIS IF I SAID YEAH, DEFINITELY.

THAT WAS ACTUALLY AN INVITATION IN CASE YOU DIDN'T GET THE NUANCE IN THE MISSION SPEAK, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADVOCATE FOR AN EVENT.

YEAH, NO, JUST KIND OF CURIOUS IF THERE WAS ANY, ESPECIALLY LIKE LOCAL LOCAL ACTION THAT COULD COME OUT OF THIS THAT WOULD IMPROVE JUST GENERAL, UM, UM, DEPLOYMENT ACROSS THE BOARD.

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SHOULD THAT BE INAPPROPRIATE, DEFINITELY COME BACK AND UTILIZE THAT TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE OFFER.

ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU AGAIN VERY MUCH, MR. KELLY FOR THE PRESENTATION, AND WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO, UH, TO TALKING WITH YOU MORE IN THE FUTURE.

LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS AN UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RESOURCE, UH, THE RMC ACCESS TO SOLAR WORKING GROUP RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, SO NEXT,

[5. Update on Implementation of the Resource Management Commission Access to Solar Working Group Recommendations.]

UM, JAMIE, DO WE HAVE AN AUSTIN ENERGY REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE? I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE MICHAEL LANGO FROM MARKET OPERATIONS.

IF HE'S STILL ON THE LINE, MICHAEL.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

THIS IS MICHAEL ANGER.

I MANAGE MARKET OPERATIONS AND RISK MANAGEMENT WITHIN, WITHIN ENERGY MARKET OPERATIONS HERE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE AND THEN OPEN UP FOR QUESTIONS.

UH, WE PLAN TO RELEASE OUR COMMUNITY SOLAR RFP BEFORE THE END OF THE FUND.

UH, WE WERE SHOOTING FOR TOMORROW, MAKE IT DELAYED A COUPLE OF DAYS.

UH, WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, REVIEWING FINAL EDITS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE INCLUDING ALL OF THE PREFERRED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, AS WELL AS WAITING ON A FINAL GOAL, DETERMINATIONS FROM SMB ARE, BUT ONCE WE HAVE THOSE BULLETS DONE, WHICH I EXPECT WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, AND WE'LL GET THAT POSTED AND THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO THIS COMMISSION, AFTER WE'VE DONE OUR ANALYSIS, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THE RFP OPEN PROBABLY FOR ABOUT 10 WEEKS.

UH, SO THAT WILL TAKE US PRETTY CLOSE INTO THE HOLIDAY TIME PERIOD, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING TO DO THE ANALYSIS FAIRLY QUICKLY AND LOOK TO BRING THAT FAC, UH, BRING BACK ANY PROJECTS THAT WE LOOK LIKE WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, AND, AND GO THROUGH HOW THOSE MEET THE NEEDS OF THE, UH, COMMISSION, UH, WITH THAT ALL MET THE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US, MR. ANGER.

AND FOR THAT, THAT UPDATE.

UM, I, UM, WELL WE'LL OPEN IT UP.

ANY, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ITEMS FROM THE COMMISSION? OH, OKAY.

HEARING NONE IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE ON.

I KNOW IT'S CERTAINLY BEEN A TOPIC THAT THIS CONDITION COMMISSION HAS BEEN VERY INTERESTED IN AND WE'RE, UM, UH, I THINK THANKFUL TO SEE THE RFP, UM, MOVE FORWARD IN IT, THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATIONS.

I WAS, I WAS STALLING FOR A MINUTE, KATIE, BUT CAUSE I FIGURED WHEN I CALLED AWAY AT MY APOLOGIES, WHAT I WAS HEARING, SORRY, TO BE SLIGHTLY ABSENT, UH, WAS THE, BASICALLY WE JUST HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S CORRECT.

JUST, UM, IF I MISS THIS, UM, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TIMELINE FOR CFPB WE'RE LOOKING AT ISSUE WITH BEFORE THE END OF THIS MONTH? UH, WE'RE ORIGINALLY TARGETING, UH, TOMORROW THE 15TH.

UH, BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GOING TO GET DONE, UH, BY THE END OF TOMORROW BECAUSE WE ARE WAITING ON FINAL GOAL DETERMINATION FROM SMB R.

UM, AND SO I KNOW WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THEM TODAY TO SEE IF THEY HAVE THAT AVAILABLE OR NOT.

AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, UH, HAVE A FEW PEOPLE REVIEWING SOME OF OUR EDITS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE CAPTURING ALL OF THE PREFERRED RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

THAT'S AWESOME.

I'M SUPER GLAD TO HEAR THAT.

UM, BEFORE I ASK YOU A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO TELL ME, YOU CAN'T ANSWER.

CAN YOU TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE RFP OR DO WE JUST NEED TO WAIT TO SEE IT? WELL, WE ARE, WE'RE GOING OUT FOR AN RFP.

UH, WE GENERALLY ARE A LITTLE BIT DAKE IN THE WAY THAT WE WRITE RFPS.

CAUSE WE LIKE TO CAST A WIDE NET AND USE IT FOR MARKET DISCOVERY AS WELL.

UM, BUT IT WILL BE LOOKING FOR DISTRIBUTED SOLAR.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE PREFERENCES FROM THE COMMISSION THAT WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE SCORE IT.

UM, AND WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR UP TO 15 MEGAWATTS, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW THE PROPOSALS COME IN, UH, AND, AND WHAT KIND OF ECONOMIC VALUE WE SEE.

THAT'S WONDERFUL.

SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RESOLUTION, THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ADOPTED HERE IN COLLABORATION WITH AUSTIN ENERGY STAFF, THAT THINGS ARE MOVING FORWARD.

THAT WAY, THAT IT'S STILL ALIGNED WITH THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AFTER WE'VE DONE THE ANALYSIS WE CAN WALK THROUGH AND SEE HOW EACH ONE OF THOSE PROJECTS MEETS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT'S WONDERFUL.

WELL, I'M SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

TO ITEM SEVEN ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS AN UPDATE FROM TEXAS GUESTS OR ON THE TEXAS GAS SERVICE RATE STRUCTURE, AS IT RELATES TO ENERGY CONSERVATION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE, UH, THE RFP OR THEY THE UPDATE, UH, FOR THIS COMMISSION? OKAY.

WITH THAT.

UM, MR. ANDREW, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

AND I WILL LOOK FORWARD TO, TO SEEING HOW, UH, HOW THE RFP PROGRESSES.

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[7. Update on Texas Gas Service rate structure as it relates to energy conservation.]

UM, AND RHONDELLA HAWKINS IS KIND ENOUGH TO, UH, TO JOIN US TODAY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE.

UM, IF YOU ALL RECALL TOWARDS THE END OF OUR LAST, UH, COMMISSIONING MEETING, THERE WAS A BIT OF A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE TEXAS GUESTS SERVICE RATES WERE APPROVED, UM, IN THAT PROCESS.

AND SO RHONDELLA HAS SAID JOINED, UH, TO GIVE US A BRIEF UPDATE.

UM, SO RHONDELLA THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND WE'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION.

I'M RON, RON DELLA HAWKINS WITH THE OFFICE OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS.

AND JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A VERBAL UPDATE, UM, ON THE OUTCOME OF THE TEXAS GAS SERVICE, A RAPE CASE, WHICH WAS FILED BACK LAST, UH, IN DECEMBER FERVOR, UM, THEY FILED TO CHANGE IT, UH, THE RATES AND TO CONSOLIDATE FOR SERVICE AREAS AND THEY FILED WITH THE RAILROAD COMMISSION AND THE CITIES SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND THEY FILED WITH, AND THE OTHER CENTRAL TEXAS SERVICE AREAS, COAST SERVICE AREA AND BEAUMONT SERVICE AREA.

THEY, UM, UNDER THE APPLICATION, THEY PROPOSE TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE THREE SERVICE AREAS, UM, AND INCREASED SYSTEM-WIDE DISTRIBUTION RATES BY $15.7 MILLION ANNUALLY.

AND THEY INCLUDED SOME OTHER, UH, NEW RATE RIDERS, UH, DEPRECIATION, UM, AND SOME, SOME OTHER, UM, ITEMS IN THAT FILING.

AND, UH, WE, UM, THE CITY, UM, SUSPENDED THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THAT RATE, UH, INCREASED OF A SIX.

AND THEN DURING THAT TIME, WE JOINED A COALITION OF, UH, 18 CITIES TO REVIEW YOU, UM, THE REQUEST.

AND, UH, WE WERE REPRESENTED BY LEGAL COUNSEL RATE EXPERTS.

UH, THE EXPERTS DETERMINED THAT THE, UH, PROPOSED RATE INCREASE AND CONSOLIDATION WAS UNREASONABLE AND WE ATTEMPTED TO NEGOTIATE A SETTLEMENT.

UM, AND THE EXPERTS ALSO DETERMINED AT THAT PROPOSED, UH, RESIDENTIAL RATE DESIGN.

I THINK IF YOU RECALL, LIKE, UH, A CO A CUSTOMER A AND B A WELL, AND IN FACT IT ENCOURAGED, UH, UH, IT ENCOURAGED CONSUMPTION.

AND SO WE DID, UH, ATTEMPT SOME SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS, BUT WERE UNSUCCESSFUL.

AND BACK ON MAY 7TH COUNCIL TOOK FINAL ACTION TO DENY THE RATE INCREASE AS IT PERTAINED TO AUSTIN, UH, WHICH THEN RESULTED IN THE CONSOLIDATED PATIENT OF THAT PROCEEDING.

UM, AND THE OVERALL RATE CASE AT THE RAILROAD COMMISSION.

SO THEN THE ROW, THE RAILROAD COMMISSION HAD A EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION OVER THE MATTER.

AND WE WERE ONE OF 18 CITIES THAT INTERVENED IN THAT MULTI-SERVICE AREA PROCEEDING.

UM, THE DENIAL, UH, THE, THE COMPANY, TEXAS GAS SERVICE HAD THE HAD 30 DAYS TO APPEAL THE DENIAL TO THE ROAD COMMISSION, WHICH THEY DID.

UM, AND AGAIN, IT WAS, UM, THE CASE WAS CONSOLIDATED AT THE COMMUNICATION.

UM, DURING THOSE TIME WE'RE IN RECEIPT OF RECOMMENDATIONS, PATIENTS FROM DEAN GROUPS, UM, OF ITEMS TO CONSIDER IN THE SETTLEMENT.

UM, AND WE, AFTER SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, THERE WAS A SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATED EXCEPT FOR THE ONE OF CONSOLIDATION OF THE SERVICE AREAS, WHICH WE FILED.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE WERE OPPOSED TO, UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS, UH, GREECE, THE, UH, WHAT RATE INCREASE THE COMPANY REDUCED THE COMPANY REDUCED, UM, THE REQUESTS FROM 15 AGREED TO REDUCE THE REQUEST FROM 15.7 MILLION PER YEAR TO 10.3 MILLION, WHICH IS A 34% REDUCTION TO THE REQUEST.

UM, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RATE DESIGN AND THE MONTHLY CUSTOMER SERVICE CHARGE.

UM, THE S ALTHOUGH THE SETTLEMENT RESULTS IN 12.8% BASE RATE INCREASE FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO CUT THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL REVENUE INCREASE OF ABOUT 21.2%.

I KNOW THIS IS A LOT OF, UM, PERCENTAGES AND NUMBERS, BUT IT WAS ALMOST IN HALF.

AND, UH, IT IS EXPECTED THAT THE AVERAGE RESIDENTIAL MONTHLY RATE, UH, WELL, IT INCREASED, UM, BETWEEN $3 AND 20 CENTS AND $3 AND 50 CENTS PER MONTH.

UM, THE FIXED MONTHLY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER CHARGE, UM, IS, UH, AT $16, UH, WHICH WAS DOWN FROM THE COMPANY'S REQUEST OF EIGHT TO $18 AND 81 CENTS, UM, IN THE CENTRAL TEXAS SERVICE AREA.

AND IN THOSE OTHER LIKE GULF COAST SERVICE AREA, THEIR CUSTOMER CHARGE INCREASE FROM $12 AND 42 CENTS, UH, UP TO THE, TO THE 16TH DOLLARS.

UM, JUST AS

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A REMINDER, I, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STATUTE THAT ALLOWS THE GAS COMPANIES TO RECOVER THEIR ANNUAL CAPITAL INVESTMENTS.

UM, THROUGH THIS ANNUAL INTERIM SEARCH CHARGE, IT'S KNOWN AS THE RIP, THE GAS, RELIABILITY, INFRASTRUCTURE SURCHARGE, AND, UM, THEY CAN LEGALLY, UH, THE COMPANY CAN LEGALLY APPLY THAT SURCHARGE TO THE FIXED MONTHLY CUSTOMER CHARGE, WHICH THEY DO.

AND, AND THAT'S WHY WE SEE THE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THE INC PIECE TO THE CUSTOMER CHARGE, UM, EVERY YEAR THROUGH THE APPLICATION OF THAT.

AND DURING THE RATE PROCEEDINGS, THERE IS, UM, YOU KNOW, THE REVIEW OF THE FIXED COST AND, AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO THERE IS, THERE IS A TRUE UP, UM, THAT WE CAN DO DURING THIS TIME.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, TIERED RATES AND, UH, TO ENCOURAGE, YOU KNOW, CONSERVATION AND AS PART OF THIS AGREEMENT, TEXAS GAS, UH, WILL PREPARE IT, UM, WORKING WITH US A TIERED RESIDENTIAL RATES STUDY.

DO YOU PRESENT AN US NEXT RATE CASE? UM, I MEAN, I ANTICIPATE, I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN THAT NEXT RATE CASE WILL BE, BUT IT'LL BE BETWEEN THREE AND FIVE, UM, THE CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, I'LL WE, WE, UM, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THERE IS, UM, A CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

UH, THE CUSTOMERS CONTRIBUTE MONEY, UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY MANAGED BY THE LES COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

UM, THE GAS COMPANY WILL, UH, WILL CONTRIBUTE $120,000 ANNUALLY, AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A WORKING GROUP TO, UM, INCREASE THE AWARENESS AND UTILIZATION OF THIS PROGRAM AND THE FUNDS, UM, WORKING WITH, UH, TRAVIS COUNTY.

UH, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THERE APPEARS TO BE, UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA.

WE KNOW THAT THE NEED IS GREAT.

AND, UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, THAT THE MONEY IS, IS, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT OUT TO THOSE IN NEED.

UM, ALL OF THE ISSUES THAT THOSE HAVE, THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS AND THE, UM, THE, YOU KNOW, THE RAILROAD COMMISSION TOOK ACTION.

I MEAN, WE OBJECTED TO THAT CONSOLIDATION OF THE SERVICE AREAS, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A TREND.

I'M THINKING THE INDUSTRY TO CONSOLIDATE SERVICE AREAS AND NOT HAVE NO DIFF RATE IN DIFFERENT.

IT JUST IT'S A TREND.

AND WHILE WE OBJECTED THE RAILROAD COMMISSION APPROVED THE CONSOLIDATION, UM, WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION.

AND, UM, AS IN PRIOR, UM, I THINK PROCEEDINGS THEY'VE REACHED CONSOLIDATIONS AND, UH, THAT WAS, UH, DONE ON AUGUST 4TH.

I MEAN, OVERALL, WE BELIEVE THE SETTLEMENT WAS GOOD OUTCOME.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE REDUCED THE COMPANY'S REQUESTS BY 34%.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BALANCE OF NEGOTIATING WHENEVER THIS IS THAT AT RAILROAD COMMISSION AND, YOU KNOW, THE CITY ISN'T AN INTERVIEW, BUT, UM, WE DID OUR BEST TO, UM, ACHIEVE THE BEST OUTCOME THAT WE FELT WAS, UH, THAT WE COULD, THAT WE COULD, UM, UH, TEXAS GAS, THE CONSERVATION ENERGY PROGRAM REVIEW THAT WASN'T PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON THAT THIS YEAR I UPDATED YOU, THAT, UH, WE CONTRACTED WITH A THIRD PARTY TO, UM, ADM ASSOCIATES TO PERFORM WORK ON THE EVALUATION.

I MEAN, IT'S CAUSED SOME DELAYS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD TO PIVOT AND SOME OF THE TECHNIQUES THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK AT FOR CUSTOMER PARTICIPATION, UM, TO EVALUATE CUSTOMER PARTICIPATION SURVEY, BUT WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT'S ONE OF THE ASPECTS, AND WE ANTICIPATE PRESENTING TO YOU, UH, IN NOVEMBER, ALONG WITH THE, THE QUARTERLY UPDATE FROM THE, UH, TEXAS GAS SERVICE.

AND, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY, MY UPDATE.

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS, THERE WAS ONLY SO MUCH NEGOTIATION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE, WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE ACTION IN LINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS COMMISSION HAD THEM RECOMMENDING AND TEXAS GAS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE UPDATE MS. HAWKINS, AND, UM, AS A BRIEF REMINDER TO THE COMMISSION, UM, SO THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE, UM, UH, AUTHORITY OR JURISDICTION PURVIEW OVER, UH, TEXAS GAS SERVICE RATES.

HOWEVER, WE DO, UM, AS IT, AS IT RELATES TO ENERGY CONSERVATION, UM, IS WITHIN OUR PURVIEW.

UM, AND SO THE REASON THAT WE ASKED MRS. HAWKINS TO COME AND GIVE THAT UPDATE WAS BECAUSE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE LEFT OUTSTANDING AT OUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING, AND ALSO, UH, TO GIVE US A PREVIEW FOR WHAT TO EXPECT, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE CONSERVATION PROGRAM UPDATES THAT WE MAY BE EXPECTING.

UM, I'M AFRAID WE'VE ONLY GOT ABOUT THREE MINUTES LEFT IN THE MEETING TIME.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO OPEN IT UP QUICKLY.

IF THERE ARE COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD EITHER HAVE QUESTIONS OR LIKE TO DISCUSS SPECIFIC PARTS OF THIS UPDATE, I HAVE A QUESTION, UM,

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WASN'T SUPER AMENABLE TO A LOT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS THE CURRENT SEARCH SERVICE PROVIDER.

I AM WONDERING WHAT, IF ANY PROCESS THERE IS FOR ANY OTHER COMPANY TAKING OVER THAT FRANCHISE? UH, UM, FOR SURE.

UH, WE, UH, THE CITY GRANTS NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS, UH, TO EXCESS GAS SERVICE OR TO ANY OTHER, WE'VE GOT ATMOS ENERGY CENTER POINT A AND D UH, THAT THOSE ARE KIND OF IN THESE NEW W TWO, THE DIFFERENT COMPANY THROUGHOUT A SOLICITATION PROCESS.

SO, UM, I MEAN OUR CITY CHARTER, WE GRANT NON-EXCLUSIVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS OR USE THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO IN OTHER WORDS, THERE COULD BE COMPETITION HERE IN THIS AREA.

UH, I GUESS KIND OF A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, HAS THE CITY EVER CONSIDERED, I GUESS, OR IS THERE A WAY FOR THE CITY TO, YOU KNOW, BE A COMPETITOR IN THIS AREA? OH, WAIT, DID THEY PROVISION, I'M AFRAID WE'RE LOSING YOUR AUDIO AND YOUR VIDEO, PERHAPS IF YOU TURN VIDEO OFF MAYBE.

AND I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY ABOUT TO GET, UH, WE'RE WE'RE AT TIME AND I'M AFRAID WE MAY NEED TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AND OTHER DAY, UM, OR, OR FOLLOW OUR RESPONSES VIA EMAIL.

I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT BETTER, A QUICK 30 SECONDS.

RHONDELLA PERHAPS IN RESPONSE, I THINK WE LOST HER.

A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE GOT UPCOMING ON OUR AGENDAS FEATURES? NO, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED CONFIRMATION.

I'M SORRY.

WELL, WE MAY HAVE TO THROUGH OTHER MEANS, UM, SO IT IS TWO 30 AND I KNOW THE CITY IS VERY STRICT ON OUR TIMELINES.

UM, SO I'M AFRAID WE, UM, WE WILL NEED TO, UH, PUSH FROM THE, UM, ADMISSIONS DASHBOARD WORKING GROUP TO OUR NEXT, UH, MEETING AS WELL AS OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS DISCUSSION.

BUT BEFORE I CLOSE JAMIE, UH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER SMITH, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE BRING BACK THE REST OF THIS TAXES, GAS COMPANY, UH, COMPETITION DISCUSSION FOR THE NEXT MINUTE.

SO NOTED.

THANK YOU FOR THAT SUGGESTION, WHICH WAS, I THINK IT GOES IN LINE WITH OUR FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, JAMIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE

[9. Discuss future agenda items.]

IT WILL BE OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER THAT, UH, THE OFFICER OF WATER UTILITY WANTED TO COME BACK.

UM, SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THEY'RE MAKING TO THEIR CONSERVATION PROGRAMS, AND THEN Y'ALL HAD SOME INTEREST IN THAT.

UM, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, CAN WE DO A PRESENTATION ON THE CHANGE TO THE TIERED RATE AT AUSTIN ENERGY? IT GOES WILL NOT BE CHANGING.

THERE WILL NOT BE AN UPCOMING.

UH, THERE WILL NOT BE A RATE REVIEW THIS YEAR DUE TO MANY CIRCUMSTANCES, THERE'S A OUT TO COUNCIL EXPLAINING WHY.

AND, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE DO A PRESENTATION ON ABITIBI CHARGING ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND, UH, WHEN, IF Y'ALL AREN'T JANETTE OR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE KATIE, BUT BY SHEER WHITE HATS, UM, I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A RATE REVIEW.

IS THERE A PLAN TO RESTORE THE CHAIRED RATES? CAN WE EITHER GET AN ANSWER TO THAT VIA EMAIL OR A MEMO OR SOMETHING, OR HAVE THAT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, WE CAN GET YOU SOMETHING IN WRITING THE, UH, TEMPORARY SUSPENSION OF THE TIERED RATES FOR COVERED RELIEF, UM, IS SCHEDULED TO END AT THE END OF THIS MONTH WHEN WAS ASKED BY COUNSEL.

SO YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT WILL JUST AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULT TO WHAT IT WAS THAT BEFORE.

I MEAN, THE COUNSELOR CAN TAKE ACTION EITHER WAY ON THAT.

I CAN GET YOU MORE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT WAS DONNA RELATED HIGH SUMMER BATTLES WERE REALLY THE SUMMER NOW, SO HOPEFULLY THE HOT WEATHER.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT REVIEW.

UM, JAMIE AND COMMISSIONER SMITH, WE HAVE YOUR CONTINUED CONVERSATION NOTED.

SO WE'LL TRY TO GET THAT ON THE AGENDA, UM, AT THE UPCOMING MEETING, IF POSSIBLE.

UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR YOUR TIME AND TO, UH, THE STAFF FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS AND DISCUSSION.

AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO, UH, TO CLOSE THE MEETING AT TWO 30.