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AND WAIT UNTIL THE CHAIR ACKNOWLEDGES.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, CAN YOU HEAR US? I BELIEVE WE'RE ALL READY TO GO.
I THINK ATX N IS LIVE ON THE AIR WHEN YOU GET HERE.
WITH THAT, I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
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A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING OF THE SAY BOSTON MUSIC COMMISSION.TODAY IS THE 29TH OF SEPTEMBER 30TH, SEPTEMBER I'M, DAY OFF ALREADY.
UM, AND WE ARE MEETING REMOTELY.
WE WILL BEGIN WITH CITIZENS COMMUNICATION.
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WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS SIGNED UP FIRST WOULD BE FREDERICO.I DON'T KNOW IF I'D SAID YOUR LAST NAME CORRECTLY.
THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU GUYS SERVING TODAY.
I APPRECIATE THE TIME I'M FEDERICO GUY ALSO KNOWN AS FEDERICO SEVEN.
I HAD A LONG TIME, UM, SESSION HERE IN TOWN, UH, PLAYING INTERNATIONAL MUSIC AND CULTURAL MUSIC, AND ALSO INVOLVED IN ARTS EDUCATION.
IN ADDITION, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE AUSTIN MUSICIANS, UH, ADVISORY BOARD.
AND TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO COME IN SUPPORT OF THE MEDICAID ADVISING FUND.
UH, AND IN ADDITION, UH, IN FONTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THE AUSTIN COMMUNITY, THE AUSTIN WON'T BE THE UP.
OUR MISSION IS GOING TO POWER ALSO MOMENT AS ARTISTS TO BE ATTAINABLE FOR YEARS AND TO GAIN WIDER RECOGNITION IN OUR SOCIETY ALARMS. WE ARE A GROUP OF MUSICIANS AND LEADERS PLAYING AT THE CROSSROADS SEVERAL STYLES AND BEING RECOGNIZED THAT OFTEN THESE THREE, UH, OFTEN HAVE GLASSES OVER COLLECTIVELY THOUSANDS OF PATROL WITH A PATIENT IN 15 MINUTES AND REACHING LOCAL THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY TO JUST GET A MUSIC FUND AND EQUITY.
SO THE BIG WORD TO HEAR FOR EQUITY LEAD FROM THE AUSTIN
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
I DO THAT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, EVERY MEETING.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER THEN WOULD BE NIKIA, RHINO, SORRY.
THIS IS NIKITA FROM BOSTON, TEXAS MUSICIANS.
I'M CALLING AND TO SUPPORT THE CHRISTMAS MUSIC THING, THE PRESERVATION FUND.
UM, HOPEFULLY, UH, I WOULD LOVE IT IF THERE WOULD BE A CHAIR TO HAVE, UM, PERMISSION PASSED THE RESOLUTION.
IT'S SUPPORTIVE THAT, UM, MOVING THAT TO CITY COUNCIL SO THAT THEY CAN, UH, HAVE THAT BEFORE THEY'RE NEEDING TOMORROW.
UM, THE MUSIC IN TOWN, UM, ARE ASKING FOR $10 MILLION.
UH, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT DONE WITH EXPANDED FEE TRANSPARENCY AND EQUITY.
AND, UM, WE REALLY WOULD OPTIMIZE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY STAFF HAS TO INCLUSION WITH QUALIFIED EXPERTS, UH, TO OVERSEE AND EVIDENCE FROM, UM, IT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, ON MONDAY WE HELD A RALLY.
THAT'S BEEN WITH OUR FRIENDS AT THE APRIL FIVE SOUND COALITION, UM, AND OPPORTUNITY PEOPLE TURNED OUT TO SUPPORT
UM, AND, UH, THAT MESSAGE WAS SENT LOUDLY CITY HALL.
UH, AND WE'RE ALL GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SERVICE AND, UM, ALL OF YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS WORK.
THAT CONCLUDES SYSTEMS COMMUNICATION.
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GO TO APPROVAL OF THE LAST MEETINGS MINUTES, WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN SENT OUT TO EVERYBODY.HOPEFULLY WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW MOTION
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TO APPROVE.DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER ROSENTHAL, ALL IN FAVOR.
AND WITH THAT, LET ME SEE HERE.
LET ME SEE, LET ME GET MY AGENDA HERE.
[2a. Discussion and Possible Action on Venue Preservation Working Group following update from Commissioner Graham Reynolds.]
BUSINESS.UM, IT'S TO A DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION ON VENUE PRESERVATION, WORKING GROUP FALLING UPDATE FROM COMMISSIONER GRAHAM REYNOLDS.
SO I WILL YIELD THE FLOOR TO COMMISSIONER ROMANS IMMUNE DID THEIR GRANDPARENTS.
UH, SO, UH, WE HAD A COUPLE OF GOOD MEETINGS, UH, UH, WITH THE GROUP AND WE CAME TOGETHER WITH THE PROPOSAL AND THE GROUP.
THERE WERE 10 OF US AND I MAY NEED HELP FROM THE PARTICIPANTS FROM HERE ON THE, UH, MUSIC COMMISSION.
WE HAD GAVIN AND DOUG AND OREN ALL PARTICIPATED.
AND THEN I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER MERCEDES LAST NAME FROM VENUE ATX.
UM, GAVIN WHAT'S REMIND ME MERCY FERRIS.
SO MY COMPUTER DOESN'T RUN OUT OF POWER.
UM, HAROLD MCMILLAN WILL BRIDGES FROM ANTON'S AND LAMBERT'S REBECCA FROM THE MUSIC VENUE ALLIANCE.
UM, I KNOW BODIE GOING FROM COHEN FROM RED RIVER.
WE TEND TO NOT THE BACK STARTED WITH US, BUT THEN DECIDED THAT, UH, HE WASN'T THE RIGHT FIT FOR THE JOB, BUT IS MORE INTERESTED IN LONGTERM, UH, VENUE, EQUITY, CONVERSATIONS, AND DISTRIBUTION OF VENUES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
EVERYBODY, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THIS, UNLESS PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS, SO EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE TWO DOCUMENTS YESTERDAY.
THERE'S AN AND STAFF HAS, UM, CAN PUT THEM UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT THERE'S THE MUSIC VENUE, PRESERVATION WORKING GROUP'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT INCLUDES AN, UM, TWO EQUITY PARAGRAPHS, ONE ABOUT RACIAL EQUITY, ONE ABOUT GENDER EQUITY, AND THEN A SUBSTANTIAL, UH, LAYING OUT OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH A SPECIAL FOCUS ON RACIAL EQUITY FROM EU AUSTIN, WHICH IS A SUPPLEMENTAL DOCUMENT ATTACHMENT, ET CETERA, WHICH LAYS OUT MORE THOROUGHLY, UM, SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN TOWARDS EQUITY.
AND THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WOULD BE, UH, AN ASS FOR $12 MILLION OVER 12 MONTHS TO HELP.
THEN YOU SPECIFICALLY WITH COVID RELATED COSTS.
AND THEN, UH, IN EXCHANGE, THERE WOULD BE AN ASK THAT ONE, THIS WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY A PASS THROUGH TO THE AUSTIN ARTS AND MUSIC COMMUNITY AND WITH A SPECIFIC FOCUS AND COMMITMENT TO EQUITY THAT IS VERY CLEARLY LAID OUT.
AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T ACCEPT THIS MONEY WITHOUT ACCEPTING THESE EQUITY COMMITMENTS.
UM, SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU RECEIVED YESTERDAY, LET ME KNOW.
AND ANY OF US THAT WERE ON THE WORKING GROUP CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU KIND OF JUST VERSION OF WHAT'S ALL IN THE RECOMMENDER? YEAH.
SO IT'S A $12 MILLION WITH A RE RE RATHER THAN APPLY ONCE AND GET A SUM OF MONEY.
IT'S THIS RECOMMENDATION IS THAT YOU REPEATEDLY, I WOULD APPLY THE RECOMMENDATION, IS THAT A TALA, A THIRD PARTY AND THE TEXAS ACCOUNTANTS AND LAWYERS, BUT THEY AREN'T TO ADMINISTER THE ACCOUNT, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, THAT CONSULTANTS ARE PAIRED WITH THE VENUES, UM, UH, AS MENTORSHIP IS TO STRONG BOARD, BUT TO HELP, UH, UH, FIGURING OUT SUSTAINABILITY PLANS.
SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UH, MEN, UH, TEAMWORK OF EXPERTS, YOU KNOW, CO CODY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
SOMEONE WHO HAS TAKEN A VENUE TO PROFITABILITY CAN WORK WITH ANYONE.
HAROLD SAID, CODY, YOU COULD BE MY CONSULTANT, LIKE WORK WITH HAROLD ON MAKING KENNY DORMS, BACKYARD SUSTAINABLE, HEALTHY, AND TALK ABOUT,
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HAVE SOMEONE TO BOUNCE OFF IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO SPEND THE SUPPORT MONEY AND HOW TO BEST MAKE SURE THAT HE'S BEEN USED.THEY'RE STILL HOPING AT THE END OF COVID.
SO TO THE, THOSE THERE'S TWO LAYERS, THE TALA, A NONPROFIT, THAT'S NOT SPECIFICALLY A MUSIC ORGANIZATION TO DISTRIBUTE THE FUNDS AND THEN CONSULTANTS WHO ARE MUSIC EXPERTS TO HELP WITH THAT, UH, CASE MANAGEMENT IS THE, IS THE PHRASE THAT WE ENDED UP USING WITH IT.
SO IT CAN BE REALLY, INSTEAD OF ONE SIZE FITS ALL, OR IF YOU APPLY AND YOU GET APPROVED, YOU GET X AMOUNT OF MONEY, AND THAT'S THE BLOCK IT'S ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE CASE BY CASE BASIS, DECIDING ON AT RISK ASSESSMENT AND WHAT IS, WHO NEEDS THE FUNDING THE MOST TO SURVIVE COVID YEAH.
I WILL LET GAVIN ILLUSTRATE MORE DETAIL BECAUSE IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL DOCUMENT OF SEVERAL PAGES.
THOSE WERE CALLED OVER ABOUT 2000, UH, WITH VARIOUS GROUPS.
UH, UH, OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF THIS WAS DONE BEFORE, UH, 2020 WHEN THE BLACK LIVES MATTER AND SHAKA JOINED US WITH SOME MORE URGENT NEEDS FOR VENUES.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY HARD TO DETERMINE SINCE THERE ARE NOT SEVERAL AFRICAN AMERICAN OWNED MUSIC VENUES, RIGHT? SO, UM, THE, THE BACKGROUND THAT GOES BACK TO THE OMNIBUS RESOLUTION IN 2016, AGAIN, REALLY NEVER UNDERSCORED ONE PARTICULAR GROUP AS MORE VULNERABLE THAN ANOTHER AND EQUITY AND DIVERSITY, BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CERTAINLY UNDERSCORE RIGHT NOW, UH, AS WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL TO SPEND 10, $12 MILLION ON THE VENUES.
SO, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL NEED A CHAKA AND AFRICAN AMERICAN LEADERSHIP AND DETERMINING, UH, HOW THE OUTLINE THAT WHEN THERE'S JUST A DEARTH OF AFRICAN AMERICAN OWNED ESTABLISHMENTS, OTHERWISE, UH, THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THIS, UH, ADDENDUM THAT AGAIN, GO BACK, UH, FOR SIX OR SEVEN YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN VETTED.
OTHER GROUPS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO SOME OF THE STUFF IN THE OVERLAY THAT WOULD HELP WITH, UM, DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, POSITIONS FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR WITHIN THE, IN VENUE OWNERSHIP? I SAW SOME THINGS ADDRESSING THAT.
CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT? WELL, UH, AND IT GOES BACK TO WHAT EDD HAS BEEN LEADING WITH AND, AND BRIAN OAKS AND THE DIVERSITY OFFICE FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE, BOTH OF THEM ON WORKSHOPS, UM, AND STAFF DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT OWNERSHIP OF THE VENUES, BUT HOW MANY MEMBERS OF COMMUNITIES OF COLOR ARE UNDER STAFFS? UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE, UH, SEVERAL THINGS, UH, AUDIENCE AND CONSUMER DEVELOPMENT, UH, HAS, HAS BEEN OUTLINED, UH, HERE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
IT'S NOT THAT THE COMMUNITY IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF BY PARK, UH, ARE ARTISTS AND MUSICIANS.
IT'S THE AUDIENCES THAT ARE NOT THERE, UH, OF MINORITIES, BLACK AND LATINO, ASIAN, TOO.
UM, SO AGAIN, THIS HELPS TO ADDRESS SOME OF THAT THROUGH, UM, SOME STRATEGIES FOR CONSUMER DEVELOPMENT THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT WITH VISIT AUSTIN, AS WELL AS THE EDD LEADING THAT, UH, WE HAVE TOWN HALL.
SOME OF YOU REMEMBER THAT, UH, FROM BACK IN, UH, 2015, WE DID A 10 CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT TOWN HALLS WITH SEVERAL GENRES AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT FOR EACH OF THOSE.
AND, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT I THINK WE CAN DO AT SOME POINT AFTER COVID IS ENGAGED COMMUNITIES AND ALL THESE DISPARATE, UH, LAYOUTS OF AUSTIN RIGHTS TO BE PART OF THE EDI EQUATION, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST DOWNTOWN THAT THIS NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE, BUT IN EVERY DISTRICT.
AND AGAIN, UH, THE DEMOGRAPHICS IN THIS CITY, THE CITY IS SO SEGREGATED THAT AGAIN, THE LATINO AND THE BLACK COMMUNITIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE FOUND IN CERTAIN AND THE ASIAN COMMUNITY TOO, IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS HEAVILY VERSUS OTHER ONES.
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WHATEVER DEVELOPS FOR VENUES OR LIVE MUSIC, AGAIN, NEEDS TO COORDINATE SOME, UM, OPERATION WITH CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THOSE 10 DISTRICTS.UH, THERE'S OTHER THINGS HERE, IT GOES ON AGAIN IN THE 22 DIFFERENT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT LEADS WITH THE, THE DIVERSITY WORKSHOPS THAT EDD IS ALREADY, UH, UNDERSCORED HERE.
UM, AND WE DO WANT TO WORK TOWARD RE-EMPLOYED MUSICIANS AND, AND WORKERS OF DIVERSE IDENTITIES AS WELL, AND ALL, ALL OF THESE INITIATIVES AT THIS POINT.
UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE GRANT DATA, WHICH LOOKS GOOD, I THINK, IN THAT AREA.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, UM, IT GETS DOWN INTO THE WEEDS HERE OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR OF HAVING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OPENING ACTS OR COORDINATING, UM, PRODUCERS OF COLOR WITH GROUPS LIKE MARGIN WALKER AND C3 PRESENTS LIVE NATION, CAUSE THOSE AREN'T GOING TO MATERIALIZE OVERNIGHT.
UM, SO THIS OUTLINES SOMETHING, UH, AS AN EXAMPLE, A LATIN, UH, PROMOTE OR WORKING WITH A LIVE NATION OR MARGIN WALKER ON A SHOW.
SO PRODUCERS ARE DEVELOPED AS WELL.
UH, AGAIN, NOT SOUND PRODUCERS, BUT, UH, EVENT PRODUCERS OVER GENERATIONS.
SO THEY'RE NOT ISOLATED FROM THE BIG DOLLARS THAT EXIST IN SOME PLACES, UH, WATERLOO GREENWAY, THE LONG CENTER AND OTHER LOCATIONS ARE GOING TO BE, UH, VEHICLES FOR THIS CHANGE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'LL GO DOWN TO WHERE ALL THE, THE PEOPLE OF COLOR AS SOUND ENGINEERS AND TALENT BUYERS THAT'LL HAVE TO COME OUT OF, UH, INTENTIONAL STRATEGIES.
AND SO ALL THAT FIT WITHIN THESE 22, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND AGAIN, THEY GO BACK TO, TO MAYOR ADLER, UH, TALKING ABOUT THIS IN 2014 BEFORE HE WAS EVEN THERE.
AND HE'S BEEN SHEPHERDING THIS FOR SEVEN YEARS, EIGHT YEARS GOING ON.
UM, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST THE GENERAL OVERVIEW.
IS THERE ACCESS FOR PEOPLE, TELL HER IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY AT SOME LEVEL.
SO IT WILL REALLY HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL AND CREATING ALL THESE THINGS, TALENT BUYERS, PROMOTERS, UH, EVENT PRODUCERS.
UM, THERE ARE PLENTY OF ARTISTS OF COLOR.
IT'S JUST, IS THAT IT'S THE INDUSTRY ITSELF AND THE VENUES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HOLISTICALLY NAVIGATE, UM, THAT ACCESS INTENTIONALLY AGAIN, THANK YOU.
AND PART OF THE HOPE IS THAT THIS WORKS IN COORDINATION WITH EDC DISCUSSIONS THAT I'M FEEDING BACK SOMEWHERE.
IT SOUNDS LIKE MMM, THAT, UH, THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL IS HAVING WHICH THAT COMBINED WITH THE BOND MONEY.
SO THIS ISN'T THE ONLY PIECE OF THE VENUE PUZZLE, AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY PIECE OF THE LONGTERM EQUITY PLAN FOR VENUES.
UH, THIS IS THIS SPECIFIC ASK IS A SHORT TERM, MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THINGS GO BACK TO AS CLOSE TO NORMAL, AS THEY GET THAT AUSTIN MUSIC VENUES, INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY FOR THAT, THAT IT IS STILL ALIVE AND READY TO OPEN THE DOORS.
AND THEN WHEN TOURISTS COME BACK AND WHEN MUSIC FANS COME BACK AND ONE SHOWS CAN HAPPEN AGAIN, THERE ARE STAGES FOR THOSE SHOWS TO HAPPEN ON.
AND SO THAT THIS IS ALL PART OF A SMOOTH RECOVERY AND GETTING AHEAD OF THAT, WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND THAT IN A WAY, BUT TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOST GROUND AND PREPARE FOR WHAT'S COMING, UH, AT THE SAME TIME AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S AN EQUITY COMPONENT AND TRADEOFF BUILT, UH, BUILT INTO THIS SHORT TERM PACKAGE, AS WELL AS BEING PART OF A LONG TERM EFFORT, WHICH OREN IS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, EITHER OF THE DOG.
WELL, I THINK, UH, I'M SORRY, THERE'S SOMEBODY ELSE, WOULD I, I WOULD JUST WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING, RIGHT? HERE'S THE SHORT TERM CATASTROPHE BECAUSE OF COVID AND THE IMMEDIATE SHUTDOWN, AND THERE'S A LONGTERM CRISIS.
WE NEED TO ULTIMATELY ADDRESS THE LONGTERM CRISIS, WHICH MAY INCLUDE THINGS LIKE, UH, IDENTIFYING WHERE THE GAPS ARE IN TERMS OF FIND THE UNDERSERVED GROUPS WITHIN THE CITY AND BRINGING THE MUSIC TO THEM.
AND IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING NEEDS THAT, THAT MEET THAT OR, OR ADVANTAGES OR TARGETED INVESTMENT IN MAKING MUSIC MORE ACCESSIBLE TO UNDERSERVED COMMUNITIES, THAT'S GREAT.
AND THAT, THAT WILL ADDRESS THE, UH, THE LONGTERM CRISIS THAT WE'RE FEELING.
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BUT FOR THE SHORT TERM CATASTROPHE THAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY.AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I, MY EXPECTATION ABOUT WHAT THE GROUP WAS, I HAD HOPES THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE LONGTERM.
HOWEVER, WE CAN'T THINK ABOUT THE LONGTERM AND WE CAN GET UNTIL WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS CATASTROPHE.
SO THIS IS AN ONGOING DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY WELL THOUGHT THROUGH APPROACH FOR WHAT WE'RE FACING IMMEDIATELY.
IS THERE A BALLPARK FIGURE FOR VENUES OF THE $12 MILLION WOULD, WOULD SERVE? I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT 50 AT SOME POINT.
SO WHATEVER REMAINS OF THAT, IT'S AN IT'S AROUND 50 DENNY'S I BELIEVE.
AND WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF WHAT THE APPLICATION PROCESS WOULD BE LIKE OR THE CRITERIA? THE, SO THERE'S THE VENUE DEFINITION THAT W UH, THAT WE HAD WORKED ON YEARS AGO, AND THEN THERE'S A STATEMENT OF NEED AND ILLUSTRATION OF HOW YOU'VE BEEN IMPACTED BY COVID.
UM, AND, UH, I MEAN, TRYING TO SCROLL DOWN ON MY SCREEN TO THE KIND OF LINES, BUT, UM, YES, PLEASE.
DO YOU LIKE ME TO PICK THIS UP IN THE SPRING FOR EVERYBODY? I WAS JUST NOTIFIED THAT CTM WASN'T ABLE TO DO IT, BUT I THINK I CAN SHARE MY SCREEN.
SO, UH, THE GROUP DID NOT COME UP WITH A, WITH A FULLY LAID OUT SKETCH OF A, OF AN APPLICATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UH, IT'S MORE CLARIFIED THAN ON AN AS NEED BASIS AND THAT HELP SHAPED AND DEFINED BY WHAT COULD DO THE MOST GOOD IN THE MOST IMMEDIATE TERMS. SO IF SOMEONE'S STABLE, BUT MAY, UH, THEY, I THINK THE THOUGHT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD GET LESS THAN SOMEONE WHO'S IN AN UNSTABLE POSITION.
EVEN IF THE LESS STABLE, THEN YOU MIGHT BE A SMALLER VENUE WITH LOWER, LOWER COSTS OVERALL.
UM, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS TO SUSTAIN AND STABILIZE.
UM, THE, THE PROCESS, THE, UH, THE, THE LONG CENTER DOES HAVE A, AN APPLICATION PROCESS THAT'S IN DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO THERE ARE, THERE ARE PARTIES THAT ARE WORKING ON POTENTIAL ACTUAL APP, MORE THOROUGHLY DETAILED POTENTIAL APPLICATIONS, PREFERENCE WHAT'S REFERRED TO AS LEGACY BUSINESSES, UM, WHICH ARE SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE DOC 10 TO 20 YEARS IN OPERATION.
UM, I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD BE, UM, PRIORITIZED AS WELL.
YES, BUT NOT, UH, BUT CERTAINLY NOT EXCLUSIVELY.
UM, AS YOU KNOW, TO BE CAREFUL NOT TO, UH, PRIORITIZE THAT TO THE POINT WHERE NEWER VENUES, WHERE OWNERSHIP IS MORE DIVERSE, GET THIS INCENTIVIZED, OR, UH, AND SO IT'S, IT'S A BALANCE BETWEEN THE TWO, I THINK.
INDEPENDENTLY OF QUESTIONS FOR THE WORKING GROUP MEMBERS IS ABOUT ANY SPECIFICS AROUND THE DOCUMENT.
I HAD A QUESTION, AM I UNDERSTANDING, UM, IN PARTICULAR TO WHAT YOU WERE ADDRESSING GRAHAM, LIKE A LOT OF GRANTS, UM, IS IT, IS IT STRUCTURED, IS THERE AN ACTUAL POINT SYSTEM AND DEALING WITH THOSE, UH, ASPECTS THAT YOU WERE DESCRIBING IN REGARD TO EQUITY AND LEGACY AND SO FORTH? HI, UH, I'M GAMMON TALK ABOUT THE HECK THE EQUITY COMPONENT.
HE'S BEEN SPORTY IN FULL TIME ON THAT.
SO, WELL, AS THEY ARE ASKING ABOUT CULT, WE'RE THINKING OF VINNIE'S IN THIS REGARD AS CULTURAL SPACES.
AND SO IF WE'RE SAVING VENUES, WE'RE SAVING THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR CULTURAL SPACE IS FOR BRIDGE BUILDING REALLY.
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AND, UH, REEMPLOY AND AGAIN, THE MUSICIANS AND, AND TO, UH, HELP BUILD THESE NEW AUDIENCES.AND AGAIN, THAT GOES INTO THE GENRE DEVELOPMENT WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT.
AND, UM, IF THERE'S A SCARCITY OF WORK AND OPPORTUNITY FOR ARTISTS A YEAR FROM NOW, THAT'S GONE TO OPS OBVIOUSLY FILTER DOWN ON EDI STRATEGIES.
SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU BUY VIA MISSION CAPITAL, FOR INSTANCE, FOR SOME OF THE GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE AVAILABLE FOR VARIOUS EMERGENCY FUNDING AND CREATIVE FUNDING, UM, THEY JUST USE THAT THERE'S A POINT SYSTEM, MEANING FOR INSTANCE, IF A BUSINESS, FOR INSTANCE, IS A LEGACY BUSINESS, BUT IT ALSO WOULD HAVE QUOTE POINTS BECAUSE OF ITS EQUITY PRACTICES.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF DISCLOSURE ON ALL, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT BUSINESSES WOULD WIN OR ACQUIRE THESE GRANTS VERSUS OTHERS? IS IT LIKE, YOU KNOW, AN AGGREGATE OR DATA THAT'S POINT STRUCTURE LIKE THAT? I THINK WE LAID THAT OUT SPECIFICALLY, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT POSITIONED TO DO THAT AGAIN, THAT THAT'S BRIAN OAKS AND, AND ERIC AND SYNOVIA AND VERONICA AND CITY STAFF TO THIS, SINCE THIS IS CITY DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SECTOR MONEY, THEY HAVE VERY GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF THAT BACKGROUND AND BIPAP COMMUNITIES.
SO AGAIN, AS WE, AS WE HEARD BEFORE, UH, RECENTLY PATRICE, UH, EDD IS DOING AN OVERLAY WITH, UH, THE HERITAGE GROUP AND ARTS AND MUSIC AS WELL.
UH, AND AGAIN, THESE GRANTS ARE GONNA ALIGN WITH CITY STANDARDS, UH, GOING FORWARD, BUT OUR GROUP OR THE MUSIC COMMISSION, WE'RE NOT WRITING THE CORRECT CRITERIA.
IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT FOR VENUE TO HAVE A CHECKLIST, WHAT WE FOCUSED ON MORE OF THE HIGH LEVEL GOALS.
AND SO WE HAVE THE TWO EQUITY STATEMENTS IN THERE AND NOW, AND KNOWING THAT SO NOVA AND ERICA ARE WORKING REGULARLY, I'M GETTING THE FEEDBACK, UM, UH, ARE WORKING REGULARLY WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE.
UM, AND SO IN THE, IN THE, WE WANT TO, THE, THE HOPE IS TO GET THIS FOR COUNCIL, UH, RIGHT AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH, AS SOON AS WE'RE DONE WITH THIS MEETING.
AND, UH, AND SO WE WERE LOOKING FOR GOALS AND PRINCIPLES AND BARS TO BE SET, BUT NOT WE DIDN'T, THIS IS IT'S A TWO PAGE DOCUMENT.
IT'S NOT, IT'S, DOESN'T GET INTO SOME OF THOSE DETAILS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GAMMONS DOCUMENT ABOUT EQUITY SOLUTIONS, UH, NOT, NOT THE CRITERIA YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT, UH, SPECIFIC ON THE GROUND SOLUTIONS IS A MORE THOROUGHLY LAID OUT MULTI PAGE DOCUMENT.
AND, AND PLEASE, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CAUSE THE HOPE IS TO, UH, UH, TO MOTION TO APPROVE THIS AND PASS THIS ONTO COUNCIL TODAY.
UM, SO IF ANYONE ELSE HAS CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, THOUGHTS, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THEM.
UM, I NOT SURE WHAT THE QUESTION I'M ALSO, UM, I REALLY DON'T SEE HOW THESE VENUES THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE ALREADY HAD ISSUES WITH THESE QUESTIONS OF EQUITY ARE GOING TO CHANGE, UM, UM, JUST BY GIVING THEM MONEY AND THEN DOING WORKSHOPS OR EDUCATION.
UM, I THINK THE, THE, THE POWER OR THE RESOURCES NEED TO BE IN TERMS OF, UM, CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, NEED TO BE PUT IN THE HANDS OF COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND, UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DIRECT, DIRECTLY ENGAGE THESE VENUES AND ALSO COME UP WITH THE SOLUTIONS, UM, TO, TO THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACE BECAUSE THE NONPROFITS IN AUSTIN AND THE VENUES HAVE FAILED CONTINUOUSLY.
AND SO IF THERE'S NO FUNDING, UH, SET UP, UM, TO ACTUALLY HAVE THAT BE CHANGE, GIVING THEM MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, HELP SAVE THEIR VENUES.
I'M NOT, I'M NOT AGAINST THAT.
AND, AND IN A LOT OF CAPACITIES IN SOME CAPACITIES, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF CONSISTENCE TO IT, BUT OVERALL, BUT IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH THIS EQUITY ISSUE, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT, UM, THEY ARE INCAPABLE OF DEALING WITH, UH, STRUCTURALLY, UM, AND, UH, THERE'S BEEN NO NONPROFIT.
UM, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, RUN BY A MAJORITY WHITE PEOPLE THAT HAS SHOWN CAPABILITY OF DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE.
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THERE NEEDS TO BE, UM, AGAIN, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS AND COME UP, IMPLEMENT CHANGE, UH, FOR THESE VENUES THAT'S AS MANY JUST HAVE TO FOLLOW NEEDS TO BE LED BY A COMMUNITY COLLEGE.IT NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED BY JUST GO.
AND GAVIN, IF YOU HAVE ANSWERS TO, BUT MY THINKING IS THAT WE SPLIT THIS OFF FROM YOUR SYSTEMIC OR THE SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, UH, TO MOST DIRECTLY AND EFFECTIVELY IMPACT EQUITY IS GOING TO NEED TO BE LED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR.
AND THAT'S WHY I'M NOT LEADING THAT WORKING GROUP.
AND SHOULDN'T BE, UM, SO THE, THE, THE AT THE SAME TIME, EVEN THOUGH YOU GO WHERE YOU'RE GOING IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, IF THERE'S $12 MILLION, THAT'S GOING TO GO TO VENUES.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A PORTION OF THAT MONEY.
THAT'S GOING TO JUST BE ALLOCATED TO DEAL WITH THE EQUITY ISSUE.
AND IT SHOULDN'T JUST GO OUT TO VENUES.
THERE NEEDS TO BE MONEY, PUT A SIDE, UM, FOR, UH, PEOPLE WITH SOLUTIONS TO THEN USE THAT MONEY TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY, UM, FOR THEMSELVES WITHIN THESE VENUES AND WITHIN THE SYSTEM.
SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
IT'S LIKE, IF WE JUST, IF WE JUST GIVE THESE FOLKS MONEY AND SAY, COME TO THESE WORKSHOPS AND LEARN ABOUT DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION, YOU KNOW, W W THE WORKSHOPS HAVE ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING.
EDUCATION IS NOT THE ISSUE, RESOURCES AND ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES IS THE ISSUE AND WILL REMAIN THE ISSUE UNTIL IT GETS TO A DIRECTLY ADDRESSED.
AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT MY, I MEAN, I, MY HOPE IS THAT FOLKS LIKE HAROLD MACMILLAN AND MERCEDES FARES WILL BE APPLYING FOR THIS.
AND, UH, GIVEN THE, THE, THAT WE SPECIFICALLY PUT EQUITY IN THERE AS PART OF THE GOAL THAT THEY WILL GET A DISPROPORTIONAL IS THE WRONG WORD, BUT THEY WILL GET, THEY WILL, UH, THEY WILL BE ENTHUSIASTICALLY FUNDED AS MY, MY HOPE.
AND SO I DO SEE IT GOING DIRECTLY TO AWESOME, THE LIMITATIONS AT THIS VENUES HAVE IN TERMS OF WHAT, THE WAYS THAT THEY'VE ALREADY FAILED THESE COMMUNITIES TO SERVE THESE COMMUNITIES.
SO GIVING THEM MONEY AND SAYING, PLEASE DO BETTER.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH FOR A PORTION OF THIS MONEY NEEDS TO GO TO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS LED BY PEOPLE OF COLOR TO HAVE AN, OF HOW TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, HOW TO CHANGE WHAT THESE VENUES ARE DOING SO THAT THE CHANGE, THE SOLUTIONS CAN COME FROM THEM.
AND THEN WE INFORM YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IN JUNE? I THINK I DO.
AND IN MY MIND, LIKE WHEN WE LAST MET, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ONE ASK THAT WOULD ADDRESS SYSTEMIC RACISM, AND ONE THAT WOULD ADDRESS MUSIC VENUE IN THE SHORT TERM KOBE'S RELIEF.
AND THE THOUGHT WAS BECAUSE, UH, AND SO ESSENTIALLY THE, WHATEVER THE ASK THAT THE SYSTEMIC RACISM GROUP WANTS TO MAKE TO MY MIND IS THE MOST DIRECT PORTION OF THIS LARGER ASS.
CAUSE WE'RE WE AS A MUSIC COMMISSION, UH, ONLY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE COME UP WITH THESE BIG ASS.
AND SO I'M SEEING THIS AS SORT OF A PORTFOLIO AND A MUSIC VENUE IS PART OF IT.
SYSTEMIC RACISM IS PART OF IT.
AND I THINK YOU ARE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION AND YOUR GROUP IS IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO SPECIFY THAT, ASK THEN THE MUSIC VENUE POSITION AT THE SAME TIME, UH, THE GAMMONS WORK ON HOW CAN THESE VENUES THAT AS YOU'VE SAID, IS A FAILED THAT HOW THEY CAN IMPROVE AND PUT ACTUALLY SPECIFIC, UH, LIST OF THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO SUCCEED RATHER THAN FAIL WHAT WE WANT TO CREATE SUCCESS STORIES, UM, BOTH FOR THE ECONOMY AND FOR EQUITY.
I HAVE A QUESTION I NEED TO ASK YOUR CHOCOLATE.
UH, YOU'RE YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SYSTEM, IN OTHER WORDS, THESE VENUES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING AND STRUGGLING UNDER COVID HAS SYSTEMIC RACISM IN EMBEDDED INTO IT.
WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF PRESERVING THIS EXISTING SYSTEM AND ALLOCATING SEPARATE FUNDS DEDICATED TO REMOVING THE RACISM FROM THE SYSTEM AND COMING UP WITH A MORE EQUITABLE SYSTEM? OR WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF NOT, UH, LET, LETTING THE SYSTEM GO AWAY AND STARTING SOMETHING NEW,
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FRESH? UM, I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE CAN START ANYTHING FRESH.WE'RE NOT IN A, IN A, IN A POSITION TO MOVE THAT, BUT I MOVED WITH THE FRESH IDEAS.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME IDEAS THAT ARE INNOVATIVE AND SHOULD BE LOOKED AT, BUT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A, A FORMAT, A TRADITIONAL FORMAT THAT PEOPLE ARE USED TO THAT HAS, HAS TO CHANGE.
I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THESE VENUES, UH, THE BUSINESS MODEL IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S LIKE, UH, YOU EV DOES EVERYTHING CHANGES OVER TIME? LIKE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, YOU USED TO WATCH TV NOW LATE, NOT ON THE INTERNET FOR ENTERTAINMENT OR WHATEVER.
AND EVERYBODY HAS TO ADJUST ACCORDINGLY TO, TO THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSUMING INFORMATION OR THE WAYS THAT PEOPLE ARE CONSUMING, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.
UM, AND I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE VENUES ARE IN A POSITION WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO ADJUST AND THAT ADJUSTMENT HAS TO NOT JUST BE ABOUT THE, UH, CONSUMER.
UH, IT ALSO HAS TO BE ABOUT WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING IN THE PAST AND IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HEAR, THAT I'M PRIVY TO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT IN A LOT OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, BUT THE THINGS THAT I CAN SEE FROM THE OUTSIDE, UM, IT'S ABOUT, LET'S JUST GET BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
AND THAT'S LIKE SAYING, MAKE AMERICA GREAT.
AGAIN, IT HASN'T BEEN GREAT FOR, FOR BLACK PEOPLE.
SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST GET BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS, IS NOT WHAT I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF PERSONALLY, REALLY WHAT RESONATES WITH ME OR WHAT I WANT TO HEAR AS, AS SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, A MUSICIAN HERE IN AUSTIN, BECAUSE NOBODY, UM, OR VERY FEW VENUES OR VERY FEW MUSICIANS OR ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, CRIED WHEN BLACK VENUES AND BLACK BUSINESSES WERE CLOSING DOWN THROUGH THE GENTRIFICATION, ALL TYPES OF OTHER ECONOMIC PANDEMIC, LIKE SITUATIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY, RECESSIONS AND DEPRESSIONS AND THINGS HAVE EXISTED FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THE PAST.
AND, YOU KNOW, VERY FEW, UM, LET'S JUST SAY WHITE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WENT DOWN TO CITY HALL TO PROTEST ABOUT THAT.
AND SO WHEN, WHEN I, WHEN I HEAR THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT, LET'S GET BACK TO, DO YOU WANT TO SAVE THE OLD WAY? I'M SAYING THE OLD WAY HAD FAILED US.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE WAYS THAT IT'S FAILED COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, SPECIFICALLY BLACK PEOPLE, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IN MIND.
AND, UH, TO, TO ASK ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE START FRESH? I GOT PLENTY OF IDEAS ABOUT SOME, SOME, SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT CAN HAPPEN, BUT ALSO REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS YES.
UM, THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE IN PLACE FOR WHEN PEOPLE DO COME BACK TO MUSIC, UM, IN TERMS OF LIVE MUSIC.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK VENUES DO PLAY A ROLE THERE, BUT ALSO, UM, VENUES HAVE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY BEEN IMPLICIT OR COMPLICIT AND A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST SPECIFICALLY FOR COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT PART OF THE CONVERSATION IS, IS WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL LIKE I ALWAYS HAVE TO BRING IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, MINORITIES, UM, WE'RE NOT MINORITIES IN THIS CITY.
PLEASE TAKE THAT OUT OF DOCUMENTS.
WE ARE THE MAJORITY, BUT WE GET TREATED LIKE MINORITIES AND WE GET, UM, SILENCE AS IF WE'RE NOT HERE, BUT WE ARE HERE.
AND SO THE REASON THAT THE SITUATION IS THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE OF ALL TYPES OF HISTORIC AND CULTURAL, UM, WHATEVER THE WORD IS, NOT ENTROPY, BUT JUST MOVEMENT.
AND SO, UM, I'M NOT SAYING THAT VENUE SHOULDN'T BE PRESERVED.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WOULD NEVER SAY THAT, BUT I'M ALSO SAYING THAT THE WAY THAT WE CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT IS THE WAY THAT FAILED US, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE CONTINUE TO USE IS THE LANGUAGE THAT FAILED US.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, AND CORRECT, CORRECT, IS THAT UNFETTERED CAPITALISM, OR WHAT WOULD IT, WHAT, WHATEVER THE SITUATION, THE CAPITALISM AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE HAD HAS FAILED.
UH, AND I'M, I'M CAREFUL NOT TO USE THE PHRASE MINORITY.
I WANT TO SAY UNDERREPRESENTED COMMUNITIES, INCLUDING AFRICAN AMERICANS, LATINOS, ASIAN AMERICANS, AND MORE LGB LGBTQ.
WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A DOCUMENT THAT SAYS, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE SYSTEM AND TRY TO PRESERVE WHAT PIECES OF THE SYSTEM CAN BE PRESERVED WITH SOME SPECIFIC OVERLAYS.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EDIT AND WE
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WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, UH, THAT THE VENUES THAT WE ARE, THAT WE ARE PRESERVING HAVE A GOOD FINANCIAL PLAN.AND THAT'S THAT, THAT'S WHY WE'RE INCLUDING THE FINANCIAL PIECE.
SO THAT THAT'S ONE PIECE OF IT.
AND THE SECOND THING IS THE EQUITY OVERLAY.
NOW, IF THE ISSUE IS THAT YOU DON'T FEEL THE EQUITY OVERLAY IS ENFORCEABLE IS STRONG ENOUGH, OR IF IT'S REFERRING TO THE WRONG STAGE OF THE PROCESS OF IT'S ONLY REFERRING TO THE COVID, THE COVID CATASTROPHE, AND IT'S NOT REFERRING TO THE LONGTERM PROCESS, THEN LET'S, LET'S GO, LET'S GO AHEAD AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.
THAT WAS THE ATTEMPT THAT WAS MADE IN THE EQUITY OVERLAY.
BUT IF THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT, THEN THIS IS THE TIME TO, THIS IS THE TIME TO DISCUSS HOW WE'RE GOING TO FIX IT.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YES, THAT IS EXACTLY.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M, THAT IS EXACTLY.
YOU BROUGHT IT TOGETHER, SUMMARIZE IT WELL, AND MY ISSUE THAT I CAN'T VOTE ON THIS, I CAN'T BASED ON WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE.
AND THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A GOOD START.
AND, BUT AGAIN, IT'S THE SAME IN UTTER BINS OF THE OLD WAY THAT HAS FAILED.
AND SO ORANGE IS NOT JUST THE STAND THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS IS MOVING AND WHERE THIS IS GOING, BUT I'M JUST STATING MY INABILITY TO PROVE THIS.
OR I AGREE WITH THIS AS IT IS NOW, BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUATION OF THE SAME OLD SAME.
AND ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR PHRASES IN THE DOCUMENT THAT DEMONSTRATE THE OLD THINKING? THAT WAS THAT, THAT SHOW WHERE THAT I DON'T WANT TO, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIKE TAKE UP TOO MUCH.
I'M JUST SAYING THAT AS THIS IS RIGHT NOW, I CANNOT APPROVE IT.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, WOULD YOU ABSTAIN? YES, I WILL.
YOU WILL, YOU, WOULD YOU VOTE AGAINST IT OR WOULD YOU ABSTAIN? I MEAN, TO MAKE IT MAKE IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES IT YESTERDAY AS IT IS RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK, I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE PRETTY FAR APART, BUT I THINK WE'RE CLOSER THAN THEM AND REALIZE IN A LOT OF WAYS.
UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS A VERY TIMELY ASK.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THIS TO COUNCIL BY TOMORROW.
UM, AND SO I DON'T WANT, I'M AFRAID TO NOT PUSH THIS AHEAD BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERFECT.
OH, RICK, I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD PUSH IT AHEAD.
I'M JUST GIVING YOU MY STAND UP.
WHEN I, WHEN I VOTE ON IT, WHY I'M VOTING THAT THAT'S ALL YOU, YOU CAN PUSH IT.
I FEEL LIKE IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SHORT OF THE BAR THAT I HAVE PERSONALLY, FOR WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND THE LANGUAGE AND HOW IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ME PERSONALLY.
SO I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO THE VOTE AND WHY I'M VOTING THAT TOTALLY, TOTALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND I THINK WE ALL WANT, I THINK WE CAN ALL SAFELY SAY WE WANT THE SAME THINGS.
WE WANT THE MUSIC BUSINESS TO BE BETTER.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE SILVER LINING OF ALL OF THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUILD THIS IN A BETTER WAY.
AND SO I THINK IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO ACT QUICK THOUGH, WE'VE NEVER, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MUSIC INDUSTRY.
WE'VE NEVER FACED ANYTHING LIKE THIS EVER GOING BACK IN THE HISTORY OF THE MUSIC BUSINESS.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
UM, EVEN, EVEN IN TIMES OF WAR, THERE WAS STILL MUSIC BEING PRODUCED AND PLAYED IN CONCERTS.
THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
UM, AND IT'S SUCH A PART OF OUR AUSTIN IDENTITY, BUT TO YOUR POINT, SHAKA, IT'S BEEN FLAWED AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN FLAWED.
AND SO NOW IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO REBUILD IT IN A BETTER WAY.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE TO DO THE FOLLOWUP STEP.
WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE IT IS THAT WE WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS CONVERSATION.
IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS NOT DONE TOMORROW EITHER.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S LIKE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SAVING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.
THEN WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT REVITALIZING IT.
THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK CHUCK IS OF A REVITALIZATION, BUT WE'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF SAVING IT.
WE DON'T WANT TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.
THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO EVERYTHING EVERYBODY'S DOING.
SO I, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY IN, IN YOUR POSITION OF WHY YOU CAN'T SUPPORT IT AS IS.
BUT I ALSO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOU KNOWING THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT COUNTER TO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU WANT.
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THE SAME THING.WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO GET THERE.
YOU KNOW, FIRST WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA SAVE THE PATIENT PATIENTS DYING, RIGHT? SO WE GOTTA MAKE SURE WE STABILIZE THE PATIENT.
BUT THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, IF THE PATIENT WAS SICK, WHAT MADE THE PATIENT SICK? WAS IT, YOU KNOW, IS IT HEREDITARY? IS IT BAD DIET? IT'S ALL THOSE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN TAKE ALL THOSE METAPHORS INTO THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.
WE WERE NOT TAKING CARE OF OUR SOCKS IS A HEREDITARY.
BECAUSE STUFF CARRIES OVER FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION, BUT LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS GENERATIONAL, YOU CAN BREAK THOSE, THOSE, THOSE CHAINS.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN GET AWAY FROM A FAILED MODEL.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO HOPE WE COME AWAY WITH IS EVEN THOUGH WE MAY DISAGREE ON THE SHORT TERM ABOUT A FEW THINGS HERE, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY THAT AS A COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, PRESERVING THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS JOB ONE TODAY, JOB JOB ONE TOMORROW WANTS TO SAVE IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
UM, SO IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, PAUL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO, SO AS THE DOCUMENT READS RIGHT NOW, I WOULD WANT TO MAYBE ADD SOMETHING TO THAT AGENDA OF EQUITY GUIDELINES.
UM, THE, THIS EDD, UH, EQUITY IN THE GUIDELINE IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED AND THE SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP STILL HASN'T DEVELOPED THAT, BUT I KNOW THE URGENCY OF THIS DOCUMENT, AND I THINK WE DO NEED TO SAVE THOSE VENUES FROM CLOSING.
UH, WE CAN TALK ABOUT EQUITY AND, AND EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SYSTEMIC RACISM GROUP WANTS.
I CAN SAY THE MUSIC COMMISSION WANTS, BUT IF THESE VENUES AREN'T PRESERVED THERE PROBABLY WON'T BE THERE.
OR, YOU KNOW, AFTER THIS, UM, PLACES WILL GET TURNED INTO CONDOS, PLACES JUST WILLED AT SHUT DOWN, AND THEN THIS CONVERSATION DOESN'T REALLY BENEFIT ANYBODY.
BUT I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY MAYBE TO MAKE THIS A LIVING DOCUMENT WHERE WE KEEP UPDATING THESE EQUITY GUIDELINES.
WE LOOK THROUGH THAT LENS AND WE KEEP REFINING THOSE DETAILS AS WE PUSH THIS FORWARD, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY, UH, THE CONCERN THAT IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE CHOCOLATE HAS.
AND I ALSO HAVE, UM, I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT JUST SAYING, OKAY, GO BACK TO HOW EVERYTHING WAS, BECAUSE THAT ISN'T ACCEPTABLE.
WE NEED TO MAKE IT SO THAT WE'RE USING THIS AS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THESE VENUES BETTER.
SO I JUST, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO ASK CHAKA, WHAT ORGANIZATIONS DO YOU THINK WOULD BE A GREAT FIT FOR BEING AN EQUITY CONSULTANT TO THESE VENUES? CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE, IN THIS DOCUMENT, THERE ARE FINANCIAL CONSULTANTS, BUSINESS CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED BY THE WORKING GROUP, I THINK RIGHT BELOW THAT WE NEED TO ALSO ADD, UH, ORGANIZATIONS OF COLOR THAT ARE GOING TO HELP AND BE THE ONES THAT ARE RECEIVING MONEY TO GIVE THAT HELP TO THESE VENUES.
SO WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, UH, RIGHT NOW, UM, AS GREAT ORGANIZATIONS OF COLOR TO RUN EQUITABLE, UH, UM, TO DO EQUITABLE WORK WITH THESE VENUES? I MEAN, THERE ARE, THERE ARE A FORMALIZED, FORMALIZED GROUPS AND THEIR OWN FORMULIZED GROUPS.
I THINK FORMALIZED GROUPS LIKE THE AUSTIN URBAN LEAGUE, UM, SIX SQUARE, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN JUSTICE COALITION.
UM, AND THEN THERE, YOU KNOW, THE UNFORMALIZED GROUPS LIKE THE BLACK AUSTIN MUSICIANS GROUP, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, THAT WAS NOT A, UH, YOU KNOW, STARTING A NONPROFIT RIGHT NOW, BUT I FELT LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOME OF THE BEST WORK IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH THE ISSUES THAT THE CITY HAS, THE HOLES THAT THE CITY HAS.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I WOULD SAY OFF THE TOP, UM, THAT YOU CAN GO TO THAT, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.
UM, THINK ABOUT THESE ISSUES, UM, EXPERIENCE THEM DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONES I WOULD SAY OFF THE TOP THAT, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND NOT JUST HAVING WORKSHOPS AND TALKING ABOUT IT.
IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THAT IN ARTICLE THREE, RIGHT UNDER PROGRAM AND ADMINISTRATOR, WE HAVE EQUITY EQUITY, EQUITY ADMINISTRATOR, AND ARE THE, I GUESS THAT WOULD NOW BE THE COMMISSION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE WORKING GROUPS, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU JUST LAID OUT.
WOULD YOU THEN SUPPORT THIS DOCUMENT? THERE'S TOO MANY, THERE'S TOO MANY THINGS THAT I FELT LIKE, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE INTENTION OF THIS, BUT ONE OF MY BIGGEST ISSUES, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, CHALLENGES IN THIS WORK THAT I'VE DONE FOR SO LONG IS THE INTENTION.
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UM, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID.I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE VENUES NEEDED, BUT IN A DOCUMENT THAT I'M GOING TO SIGN OFF ON BECAUSE I'VE SIGNED OFF ON DOCUMENT FOUR, I'VE BEEN COMPLETELY UTTERLY DISAPPOINTED BY THE, THE END RESULT THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I PUT MY NAME ON SOMETHING, WHEN I VOTE FOR SOMETHING I HAVE TO THROUGH AND THROUGH, UM, THINK THAT IT'S SOLID AND, AND IT'S REALLY WHAT I, WHAT I, I FEEL.
UM, AND THAT, THAT HAS NOTHING DO WITH ME, KNOWING THAT VENUES NEED TO BE PRESERVED AND KNOWING THAT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT VENUES, I WOULDN'T HAVE A CAREER, YOU KNOW, I CAN, I CAN SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE STEVEN STERN, SHINE AND EMPIRE, AND PEOPLE LIKE WILL BRIDGES AT ANTONE'S.
AND LAMBERT'S THAT SPECIFICALLY INVESTED IN, IN ME AS A MUSICIAN.
UM, SO I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS.
AND SO MY PERSPECTIVE, MY EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THIS SITUATION IS THAT THIS DOCUMENT TO ME DOESN'T RESONATE ENOUGH JUST AS THAT, THAT RALLY THAT WAS HELD AT CITY HALL, IT DIDN'T RESONATE WITH ME ENOUGH FOR ME TO PARTICIPATE.
SO I, MY, MY, MY VOTE HAS, YOU KNOW, HAS TO BE THAT I DON'T GRIEVE THIS DOCUMENT.
I DO AGREE IN, IN, IN, IN, IN, UH, IN WORD AND, AND, AND IN, IN LIFE AND SPIRIT THAT WE NEED TO PRESENT THESE VENUES, BUT THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT RESONATING WITH ME.
AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I CAN SAY.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP ANY MORE TIME, I THINK YES.
UM, BUT YOU KNOW, FOR ME SPECIFICALLY, I CAN'T, I CAN'T, UM, FOLK FOR THIS, IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION AROUND THE DOCUMENTARY, ON THE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? SO IS THERE, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TIME CONSTRAINT, UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS MOVE, TRY ATTEMPTING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AFTER THIS MEETING.
UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AROUND THE EQUITY CONVERSATION.
UM, IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED, UH, THE PRESENTATIONS WE'VE HEARD FROM HAROLD, THE STRONG RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY CHAKA AND THE HISTORY OF THE DISTRICT BORDERING
THAT WAS A DISTRICT, AS WE ALL KNOW OF, UH, JUST THRIVING BLACK MUSIC, CULTURE, AND BUSINESS BUSINESSES.
UM, THERE'S BEEN DECADES OF CONVERSATION AROUND IT.
AND I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE THERE IS A BURNING DESIRE AND IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED AMONGST US AND IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT UNDER THE PORTION WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT EQUITY, THERE COULD BE ANY EXTENDED LANGUAGE THAT TALKS ABOUT SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT WOULD BE COMMUNICATED WITH AND A COMMITMENT FOR THAT.
IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN ADD THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO, CAUSE I, I CAN DEFINITELY SAY FOR ME AS WELL, IT'D BE MUCH MORE, UH, NOT JUST COMFORTABLE, BUT EXCITED.
AND I WOULD FEEL LIKE SOMETHING WAS MOVING IN THE DIRECTION WE REALLY NEEDED TO, TO ADDRESS THESE ONGOING CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS, THAT IT WOULD BE ACTUALLY REFLECTED IN THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE VOTING ON THE MUCH OF THE, THE OTHER, THE EKU AUSTIN DOCUMENT THAT COMES IN, UH, ATTACHED TO THIS IS MUCH MORE DETAILED.
IT DOESN'T NAME THOSE SPECIFIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UH, SHOTGUN MENTION, BUT I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ADD THAT LANGUAGE IF YOU'RE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MOTIONING TO DO.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT TO THE DDI OVERLAY ATTACHMENT, OR IF YOU WANTING TO ADD IT TO THE INITIAL DOCUMENT.
UM, I LIKE WHAT I'M PRAYING FOR SHOTGUN IS THAT WE'RE VOTING ON THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT AND I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND AND HELP ESTABLISH WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN SOME WAY CAN BE ADDED TO THIS DOCUMENT IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE A STRONGER SUPPORT FOR THIS DOCUMENT.
I CAN'T SAY WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO BE IN A SEPARATE DOCUMENT ABOUT EQUITY, BUT IT FEELS LIKE THE SECOND DOCUMENT IS PART IS IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A MORE DETAILED LANG OUT OF EQUITY PORTION OF THE INITIAL DOCUMENT.
SO THEY, THEY WILL ALWAYS, THEY WILL BE ATTACHED AND COME TOGETHER.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF, SO WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER, IF YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE, LIKE DOUG SAID AN EQUITY CONSULTANT, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE THE FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS CONSULTANT AND PUT THAT RIGHT NEXT TO THE BUSINESS CONSULTANT.
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UH, AND WE COULD SPECIFICALLY NAME POTENTIAL ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THOSE CONSULTANTS COULD BE SOURCED AND CONNECTED TO, UM, OR IT CAN BE PUT INTO THE MORE DETAILED LAID OUT, UH, EDI DOCUMENT HERE, OR THIRDLY, UH, THESE COULD BE CONSIDERED LIVING DOCUMENTS, AS I THINK PAUL SAID, UM, THE, THE GENDER EQUITY COMPONENT IS NOT LAID OUT IN ANY DETAIL AT ALL.UM, AND SO THERE'S WORK TO DO ON NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF THIS DOCUMENT BECOMING MORE EQUITABLE OVER TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE WHOLE, THIS IS ALL A MULTI-DECADE LIFETIME EFFORT AS WELL, BUT, UM, W WHATEVER, WHICHEVER ONE, YOU SPECIFICALLY THINK YOU WANT A MOTION FOR.
I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T ADD IN LANGUAGE.
UM, DO YOU KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, THE GAVIN AND HAROLD AND MERCEDES WERE ALL PART OF THE WORKING GROUP THAT HELPED FORMULATE THE EQUITY LANGUAGE THAT IS THERE, AND TO GO OVER THE EDI, OVERLAY LANGUAGE, THOSE THAT AREN'T.
AND WE SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF TIME ON, UH, WORKING THROUGH POINT BY POINT.
I THINK IF WE CAN ADD ANYTHING, SORRY, I'M FADING BACK THERE.
SO I THINK IF WE CAN ADD AN EQUITY CONSULTANT INTO THAT FIRST DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS BE ABLE TO, UH, TO PROVIDE SOME WAY TO UPDATE THESE EQUITY GUIDELINES, TO WHAT THE SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP AND EDD, UH, EVENTUALLY RECOMMENDS, UM, I WOULD BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE SIGNING MY NAME TO THIS, UM, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW THAT IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT ALL SOUNDS GREAT.
THAT SECOND DOCUMENT DOES LAY IT OUT, BUT IT'S MOSTLY JUST WORDS.
IT DOESN'T HAVE CONCRETE ACTION FOR HOW THAT WILL BE APPLIED IN THIS FONT.
AND I THINK IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, THERE'S NO POSSIBILITY OF ENFORCING IT.
DOES SOMEONE WANT TO COME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE THEY WANT TO ATTACH? I'M LOOKING AT KIM, CAN YOU BRING UP THE OTHER DOCUMENT AND BRING INTO NUMBER TWO, RIGHT.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THE SAME THING TO LOOK AT.
ARTICLE TWO PURPOSE KIM, YOU COULD FIND THAT PART AND GO DOWN, PLEASE.
KIM TO THE EQUITY PART BACK UP AGAIN.
IT KIND OF JUMPS LOOKS LIKE ON TWO PAGES OR THERE WE GO.
SO READING DOWN JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE FURTHER, KIM ON EQUITY A AND THEN GENDER.
SO IS THAT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT WRITING AN, UH, SOMETHING PAUL? YES.
I SEE THAT SECTION THAT SAYS ANY PROGRAMS DEVELOPED SHOULD INCLUDE AN EQUITY OVERLAY.
I THINK THAT WE NEED TO GO A STEP FURTHER AND SAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN ORGANIZATION, A THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATION THAT CAN CONSULT AND DETERMINE IF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE FOLLOWING THIS EQUITY OVERLAY AND THAT THE PROPERTY OVERLAY CAN BE DEVELOPED FURTHER AS THIS, THIS IS MORE DEFINED BY THE SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP OR EDD.
HOW ABOUT IN ARTICLE THREE, NUMBER TWO, WHERE IT DISCUSSES A CASE MANAGEMENT, YOU COULD ADD A SECOND, UM, UH, EQUITY CASE THAT GETS PAIRED WITH EACH RECIPIENT.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND THINK IS A APPROPRIATE FOR AN EQUITY CONSULTANT.
CAN, CAN I ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THE LANGUAGE WHEN CHUCK WAS SAYING THAT SOME OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AN EQUITY OVERLAY, RIGHT.
THAT THAT'S TAKING A CORRUPT STRUCTURE AND SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO OVERLAY SOMETHING ON TOP OF THE CORRUPT CORRUPT, JUST IN TERMS OF THE MEANING OF THE WORDS.
CAN WE INSTEAD TALK ABOUT AN EQUITY FOUNDATION INSTEAD OF THE OVERLAY KIM KIM? I MEAN, I REALIZED THAT THAT THAT'S THAT'S NEW LANGUAGE, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, CHUCK AND TELL ME, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE, THAT THE PHRASES AND THINGS LIKE THAT DEMONSTRATE THE SYSTEMIC RACISM.
AND MY THOUGHT IS HEARING ABOUT AN EQUITY OVERLAY AS IF THE EQUITY IS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
CAN WE JUST GET THAT WORD OVERLAY OUT OF HERE? YEAH.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT DEMONSTRATES A NECESSARY STANDARD RACISM.
IT JUST DEMONSTRATES KIND OF THE SAME OLD SAYING TO ME THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS THAT ENCOURAGES ME OR INSPIRES ME THAT, UM, THESE, THESE, UM,
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INSTITUTIONS ARE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THROUGH THIS, THIS LANGUAGE.AND I KNOW THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT WILL, BUT FOR ME, LIKE PERSONALLY, JUST READING THIS, UM, IT, IT, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW GAVIN WAS INVOLVED, NO HEROIN WAS INVOLVED.
AND, UM, I'M NOT SURE THE OTHER WOMAN THAT YOU WERE SAYING CONTINUE ATX, I'M NOT REMEMBERING THE NAME MERCEDES.
UM, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK, BUT LIKE, AGAIN, IT'S FROM ME PERSONALLY, AND I, THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WE SHOULD ALL VOTE ON IT AT THIS POINT.
YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAYING FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT'S NOT RESONATING STRONGLY ENOUGH.
AND, UM, PART OF IT IS THE LANGUAGE.
UM, IT JUST, IT'S JUST NOT SPEAKING STRONG ENOUGH TO THE THINGS THAT, UM, ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF MY MIND RIGHT NOW, WHEN I THINK WHEN I PERSONALLY THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS, UH, MUSIC INDUSTRY GOING BACK OR RESTARTING.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY ON THAT.
HOW ABOUT, UM, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS SOON AND CAUSE WE'RE TAKING MORE TIME AND NOT EVERY MINUTE WE TAKE TAKES AWAY FROM THE SYSTEMIC RACISM CONVERSATION.
UH, AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT FOLKS TO FEEL THAT ARE CONSIDERING VOTING FOR IT TO FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT, UH, RATHER THAN US DETERMINING NOW EXACTLY WHAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO HOLD VENUES ACCOUNTABLE FOR EQUITY, THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THE STAFF WORK WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE TO DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO HOLD RECIPIENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR EQUITY COMPONENTS, WORKING GROUPS, IT WOULD BE STAFF AND SYSTEMIC WORKING GROUP WORKING TOGETHER FOR THOSE GUIDELINES.
I THINK HAVING THAT CONSULTANTS TERM IN THERE JUST REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT, LIKE WE'RE, WE NEED TO KIND OF GIVE SOME TEETH TO THAT, UH, TO THAT SAY, WE CAN SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AN EQUITY FOUNDATION, WE CAN SAY THESE THINGS, BUT IF THERE'S NO ONE REALLY OBSERVING AND SEEING THIS CASE BY CASE THAT PROBABLY ISN'T GOING TO BE THE RESULTING GOAL.
AND I THINK THAT THAT MESSAGE WILL BE COMPROMISED.
I'M GOING TO MOTION THAT WE ADD TO ARTICLE THREE, NUMBER TWO, A THIRD BULLET POINT THAT, UH, EACH RECIPIENT WILL BE PARTNERED WITH AN EQUITY CONSULTANT TO HOLD, UH, TO, TO ADVISE AND CONSULT AND HOLD ACCOUNTABLE.
THE EQUITY GOALS OF THIS, UH, EFFORT ARE THE, ARE THESE EQUITY CONSULTANTS GOING TO BE PAID FOR THIS WORK? IS THAT, IS THAT PART OF THE FUND PART OF THE TOTAL? YES, THE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE PAID, I THINK.
WELL, THAT LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED AS WELL.
THAT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS COVERING IS IN REGARD TO THE GRANTING OF FUNDS AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF ACCOUNTABILITY IN REGARD TO WHO THESE FUNDS ARE DISTRIBUTED TO IN TERMS OF EQUITY AND MAKING SURE, BECAUSE THIS KEEPS COMING UP AROUND, YOU KNOW, CHOCOLATE BRINGING UP SIX SQUARE.
AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE AND BURNING DESIRES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE, UH, SOME OF THOSE, UH, THOSE LONG TIME DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING ABOUT THAT DISTRICT TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THIS THERE'S, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE THINGS TO POTENTIALLY BE ADDRESSED, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM MAKING SURE WHOEVER GETS THE MONEY IS DOING IT IN DOING THEIR BUSINESS IN AN EQUITABLE WAY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS, UH, PASA.
SO IF MY THOUGHT IS THAT WE VOTE ON THE MOTION, I'M A, WITH THE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION THAT THE CONSULTANTS WOULD BE PAID.
AND THEN IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO MOTION TO ADD SO THAT WE CAN BOTH VOTE ON THAT AND THEN VOTE ON THIS RECOMMENDATION OVERALL.
SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TO THE SYSTEMIC RACISM DISCUSSION.
KIM, CAN YOU GIVE US A FULL SCREEN SO WE CAN SEE FOLKS? CAUSE I W A N.
AND SO I'M GOING TO MOTION AGAIN AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A SECOND SO WE CAN VOTE ON ADDING EQUITY CONSULTANT TO THE ARTICLE THREE, NUMBER TWO.
I MEANT GET RID OF THE DOCUMENTS SO WE CAN SEE EACH OTHER SO WE CAN SEE WHO'S INDICATING I WOULD SECOND THE MOTION FOR THE EQUITY CONSULTANT.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR, ALL OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES.
AND DO WE HAVE THE LANGUAGE STRAIGHT FOR THAT? IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT?
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I THINK WE'RE BEING RECORDED.SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT LANGUAGE EXACTLY GREAT POINT.
WELL THAT THEN WE CAN MOVE TO, TO BE DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION, BUT WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY VOTE ON THE FULL DOCUMENT.
AND I THINK THE TREES ON ADDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL EQUITY LINE.
SO SINCE THIS ISN'T MY FORTE, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, SUCCINCT LANGUAGE IN TERMS OF THESE KINDS OF DOCUMENTS.
CAN ANYONE HELP IN REGARD TO THIS REQUEST TO ADD LANGUAGE IN REGARD TO THE EQUITY SPECIFIC TO WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING FUNDED, WHEN PEOPLE ARE BEING CHOSEN FOR THE GRANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S EQUITY WITH AN EMPHASIS WHAT'S BEEN SKIPPED OVER IN TERMS OF THE DISTRICT THAT WE'RE, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UH, HOW ABOUT AN ADDENDUM NUMBER THREE, UH, REQUEST THAT STAFF WORK WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE TO DEVELOP THE MATRIX THAT DETERMINES, UH, EQUITY REQUIREMENTS AND, UM, AND, UH, UH, WHAT'S THE, AT THE OPPOSITE WHERE, WHAT THAT MAKES YOU ABLE TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS? YOU KNOW, I JUST, OKAY.
HOW ABOUT THIS, UH, DENIM NUMBER THREE, RECOMMEND ITS STAFF WORK WITH EQUITY OFFICE TO COME UP WITH EQUITY GUIDELINES FOR THE APPLICATIONS.
I THINK THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE, UH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE GOOD IF IT WAS NOT, UH, AMBIGUOUS IN TERMS OF THE CONSULTANTS THAT WE'VE.
HOW ABOUT INSTEAD OF, UH, HOW ABOUT EQUITY REQUIREMENTS INSTEAD, INSTEAD OF GUIDELINES.
SO, UH, WORK WITH THE EQUITY OFFICE TO DEVELOP EQUITY REQUIREMENTS THAT COVER SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT JUST SORT OF DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT BLANKET BLANKET EQUITY, BECAUSE PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF PEOPLE OF COLOR AND THE DISTRICT IN PARTICULAR, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE GUIDING THIS WITH A STRONG EMPHASIS ON, UH, KNOWING THAT THERE IS A STRONG, UM, THERE'S BEEN A STYLE, A LONG CONVERSATION AND STRONG EMPHASIS ON WANTING RESOURCES TO GO TO BLACK BUSINESSES THAT ARE SEEKING RESOURCES FOR EQUITY TO REALLY START SHOWING UP THE BALANCE OF EQUITY, JUST START SHOWING UP IN OUR VENUE.
UH, EGO MINE IS WE KNOW THE EQUITY OFF, BUT THE REASON TO DIRECT IT TO THE EQUITY OFFICE IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE EQUITY OFFICE IS SPECIFICALLY ON RACISM AND SYSTEMIC RACISM AND BLACK ISSUES IN PARTICULAR.
SO WE WOULD BE ASKING THAT THOSE WHO ARE BETTER EQUIPPED CERTAINLY THAN I AM TO LAY OUT THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
SO I DON'T THINK IN, WELL, WE ONLY HAVE 20 MINUTES LEFT FOR THE REST OF THE DISCUSSIONS, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH BETTER SPECIFICS BEFORE THEN, THEN THE EQUITY OFFICE COULD.
SO IS EVERYONE HAPPY WITH THE LANGUAGE AND FOR, TO GO TO A VOTE, UM, MOTION TO ADD ADDENDUM NUMBER THREE, UH, STAFF WILL WORK WITH EQUITY OFFICE TO DETERMINE EQUITY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE APPLICATION AND PROGRAM.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, WHICH WE SECONDED ALL IN FAVOR, ALL OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES MOTION TO APPROVE THE DOCUMENT AND ATTACHED DOCUMENT AND SEND TO COUNCIL AND THE SECOND AND WHEN ONE SECOND, THAT PAULO SECONDS, ALL IN FAVOR, ALL OPPOSED.
[2b. Discussion and Possible Action following update from Systemic Racism Working Group and Live Music Fund Working Group.]
DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION FOLLOWING UPDATE FROM SOME SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP AND THE LIVE MUSIC FUND WORKING GROUPS.SO LET'S START WITH THIS SYSTEMIC RACISM WORKING GROUP.
UM, SHAKA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHERE THE GROUP'S AT AND WHAT'S HAPPENED SO FAR? YEAH, SO, UM, THE FIRST MEETING HAPPENS, UM,
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AND WE WERE BASICALLY JUST GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER PRETTY MUCH.I'M GUESSING I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T MAKE THE MEETING, BUT WE, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY JUST GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND, UM, STARTING THE CONVERSATION, UM, AND JUST OUTLINE AND KIND OF LIKE WE'RE WHERE WE WANT TO HEAD, BUT NO, NOTHING REALLY SPECIFIC YET.
WE'RE HOPING TO HEAR FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT DOING A SUSTAINED RACISM, UM, WORKSHOP SO WE CAN GET A REAL UNDERSTANDING OF RACE AND HOW IT PLAYS ITSELF OUT IN OUR LIVES AND OUR DAILY LIVES, NOT JUST AS MUSICIANS OR FATHERS OR MOTHERS OR WHATEVER WE ARE, AND LIKE, UM, WE'RE ALL AFFECTED BY THIS.
AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR FIRST PRIMARY GOAL IS TO HAVE A SOMETHING UNDER OUR BELT, SO WE CAN ALL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
I'M WAITING TO HEAR FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, IF, IF WE DON'T HEAR FROM THEM BEFORE MEETING, THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, I LED THE, UM, THE FACILITATION OF THE LAST MEETING.
I WILL LEAD THE FACILITATION AGAIN, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE THAT CAN, UM, DO LEAP CONVERSATIONS ON AUSTIN, SPECIFICALLY THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN MUSIC SPECIFICALLY, AND HOW RACE PLAYS A ROLE IN THAT.
BUT AGAIN, FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO GET THINGS UNDER OUR BELT.
SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING LIKE MINORITIES, AND THIS IS NOT CALLING ANYBODY OUT.
THIS IS JUST, I'M JUST SPEAKING.
SO WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING LIKE MINORITIES AND WE ARE NOT MINORITIES, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SEE, UH, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR VERSUS THE REALITY? UM, SO WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO GET THESE THINGS INTO OUR MINDS AND UNDERSTAND THEM AS QUOTE UNQUOTE, BLACK PEOPLE, WHITE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW RACISM, ILLUSION, WE KNOW RACE IS NOT A REAL THING.
IT'S BEEN INVENTED, IT'S A CONCEPT, BUT WE ACT ACCORDING TO THESE CONCEPTS AND THESE CONCEPTS CONTROL AND DICTATE OUR POLICIES.
AND SO WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS ON A MUCH DEEPER LEVEL THAN WE DO CURRENTLY.
UM, SO THAT'S THE GOAL, THAT'S THE IMMEDIATE GOAL OF THE GROUP BEFORE WE EVEN START PUTTING ANY DOCUMENTS TOGETHER OR SEND OUT SURVEYS OR ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, PAUL WAS AT THE MEETING, HE CAN ADD ON IF HE HAS ANYTHING MORE TO SAY, BUT, UM, WE'RE HOPING AGAIN, TO START WITH OUR NEXT TWO, THREE, FOUR MEETINGS, JUST GETTING, UH, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF RACE.
UM, AND, AND, AND WHAT, HOW WE IDENTIFY OURSELVES IN THAT, WHERE DO WE, WHERE ARE WE IN THIS EACH ONE OF US, UM, WHERE ARE WE AND HOW DO WE PLAY A ROLE IN PERPETUATING THE WAY IT IS, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WAY THINGS ARE.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I, WHEN I CHALLENGE OR I CRITICIZE THE WAY THINGS ARE, I SEE MYSELF IN THAT I'M CHALLENGING CRITICIZING MYSELF AS WELL, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED IS MORE PEOPLE TO CHALLENGE AND MORE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF THIS ISSUE.
SO PAUL, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT, YEAH.
UH, FIRST OFF, I JUST DO WANT TO DO IT PUBLICLY, A REAL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AT CHOCOLATE'S HARD WORK ON THIS.
HE DID A GREAT JOB FACILITATING OUR CONVERSATION, AND IT FEELS LIKE WE HAVE A REALLY WELL ROUNDED GROUP OF PEOPLE WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND LIFE EXPERIENCES, AS WELL AS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROLES IN THE AUSTIN MUSIC COMMUNITY.
UM, I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR DISCUSSIONS, UH, AND I'M REALLY, I'M EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OUR EQUITY TRAINING OR DIFFERENT PRESENTATIONS ON THE HISTORY OF AUSTIN MUSIC MAY COME UP BECAUSE I THINK CHUCK DOES REALLY SET THE GROUNDWORK FOR HAVING A GOOD OPEN DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, JUST WANTING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FANTASTIC.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED MARGIE AND STAFF, OR TO HAVE, UM, SOME SENSITIVITY AND, OR, YOU KNOW, RACIAL EQUITY TRAINING FOR THE WORKING GROUPS AND FOR JUST THE COMMISSION IN GENERAL.
SO I LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING INTO THAT PHASE, UM, AND WHAT THAT WILL BE LIKE, THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, I THINK A GREAT STEP FOR US AND, AND IT WILL HELP WITH THIS LARGER CONVERSATION THAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON THE REST OF OUR LIVES, RIGHT? IS NOW THIS IS NOT A ONE AND DONE, IT'S NOT CHECKING A BOX.
WE WANT TO APPROACH THIS IN THE RIGHT WAY.
SO I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S HARD WORK, UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, VICE CHAIR MAHONEY.
UM, THIS IS IMPORTANT WORK AND IT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO WORK ON THESE ISSUES
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THROUGH, THROUGH THAT LENS.YOU GUYS CAN CONFIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO APPLY AS FAR AS OVERLAY TYPE SITUATION.
I KNOW STAFF HAS ALREADY WORKING ON THIS IN A WHOLE VARIETY OF AREAS, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THE HOT FUNDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS GOOD WORK, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S EVERYONE'S EFFORT ON THAT.
WITH THAT WE CAN SHIFT GEARS INTO THE LIVE MUSIC FUND WORKING GROUP.
UM, I'LL START BY SAYING THAT, UH, CHAIR CATLIN WHITTINGTON HAS RESIGNED THE GROUP.
UM, BUT IN RESIGNING, THE GROUP HAD PREPARED A DOCUMENT THAT WE'LL BE SHARING OUT TO EVERYONE.
WE DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO SHARE IT OUT TO EVERYONE BEFORE THIS MEETING.
UM, AND I WOULD LIKE THAT DOCUMENT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TO BE TAKEN UP IN OUR NEXT MEETING.
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN DISSEMINATE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, UH, SCHEDULE OUR NEXT MEETING AND MAKE HOPEFULLY THAT THE FOCUS OF THAT MEETING, AS WELL AS WHATEVER ELSE WE DECIDE TO TAKE ON.
UM, THEY'RE ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SAW, THERE WAS, UH, THE CLERK SAID THAT WE CAN EXTEND THESE MEETINGS NOW, WHICH IS VERY HELPFUL.
UM, ESPECIALLY I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ANOTHER CONVERSATION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO A REGULAR MONTHLY TYPE MEETING, AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE BUSINESS AND ONE MEETING, ONE LONGER MEETING VERSUS TWO SHORTER MEETINGS.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MORE EFFICIENT USE OF EVERYONE'S TIME, UM, WITH, YOU KNOW, DOES ANYONE FROM THAT LIVE MUSIC FUND WORKING GROUP, GAVIN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE WORKING GROUP? WELL, AGAIN, AS YOU STATED, IT'S, IT IS A WORKING DOCUMENT AND A DRAFT FOR MUSIC COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER THIS DOESN'T GO DIRECTLY TO CITY COUNCIL OR ARTIST STAFF IT'S FOR US TO VET.
UH, THERE WERE THREE AREAS THAT NEEDED FOCUS STILL, AND ONE WAS ON FUND ADMINISTRATION OF THE LINE MUSIC FUND.
UH, ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE IF THERE WAS A BOARD, WHAT INITIAL BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MADE.
AND THEN FINALLY THE INITIAL INITIAL CRITERIA, UH, CREATED TO JUDGE GRANT APPLICATIONS.
SO THAT'S STILL QUITE A BIT, UM, FOR US TO FOCUS ON, UH, BEYOND THIS, THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'LL, WE'LL DIVE INTO, BUT AGAIN, UM, WHERE THE, THE DOCUMENT LIVES RIGHT NOW IS IT WAS NOT ENTIRELY COMPLETE, BUT IT HAS BEEN VETTED, UM, SINCE JANUARY THROUGH WHAT WAS IT APRIL OR SO, DO YOU FEEL THE DOCUMENT IS A GOOD REPRESENTATION OF THE WORK OF THE GROUP? UM, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S NOT A COMPLETE DOCUMENT, BUT DO YOU FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IT WOULD BE SAFE TO DISSOLVE THE GROUP AND FOR THE COMMISSION TO TAKE THIS ON FURTHER? I WOULD SAY, YEAH, THE DISSOLVEMENT OF THAT GROUP, BECAUSE EVERYBODY HAD, UH, UP TO THE POINT OF ITS PAUSE, THEIR INPUT, AND IT WAS A ROBUST GROUP FROM DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES IN THE INDUSTRY.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT DOES REPRESENT OUR CONVERSATION, UM, THAT IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WELL, WELL PUT TOGETHER, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE, AT LEAST ONE MORE MEETING OF THE LIVE MEANS A WORKING GROUP BEFORE WE DISSOLVE IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, HAVE A FINAL, YOU KNOW, SAY OR WHATEVER THEY FEEL LIKE NEEDS TO BE ADDED.
UM, INCLUDING CATALAN, IF HE WANTS TO COME, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE RESIGNED, BUT, UH, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN JUST DISSOLVING IT AND I HAVEN'T PEOPLE, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ADD A FINAL, FINAL FEEDBACK OR WHATEVER.
UM, BUT I DO FEEL LIKE WE CAN, UM, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS A MUSIC COMMISSION WITH THAT, UM, THOSE THINGS, AND THEN ADDING ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
CAUSE, UM, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE PROPOSED STAFF TIMELINE HAD US GETTING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO WAS THAT ABOUT RIGHT.
SO WE'RE STILL AVAILABLE TO KEEP THAT TIMELINE, UM, AND BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALSO GOOD NEWS.
UM, ANY OTHER, ANYONE ELSE THAT WAS ON THAT GROUP? UH, HAVE ANY OTHER INPUT OR ANYTHING OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT, ABOUT THE PROCESS, THE GROUP DOCUMENT, ANY OF THAT? WELL, GREAT WITH THAT WE CAN MOVE TO FUTURE AGENDA.
[FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE NEXT MEETING? WE CAN GET AN UPDATE ON WHERE THE 12 MILLION CREATIVE SPACE, UH, BOND IS AT.I DON'T KNOW, UH, ANYONE ELSE WAS CONFUSED BY THE LAST JOINT
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COMMISSION MEETING, BUT I WAS, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A REAL CONCRETE IDEAS FOR EVEN WHAT THE MONEY CAN BE USED FOR.AND, UH, I THOUGHT THE WORKING GROUP DID A GREAT JOB.
I'M TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.
AND THEN THE LAST MEETING LEFT ME MORE CONFUSED THAN WHEN I STARTED.
SO, UM, AN UPDATE WOULD BE AWESOME.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? I HAVE A SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER REYNOLDS, ALL IN FAVOR, ALL OPPOSED, ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEMS? AGAIN, WE CAN ADD THESE UP THE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING, SO WHICH IS NOT SCHEDULED JACK, ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW? WELL, THAT, DO WE HAVE EMOTION, SOMETHING JUST RELATED TO A CONVERSATION OF DIVERSITY AND ALSO MUSIC, WHETHER THAT'S A SYSTEMIC RACISM, WORKING GROUP, A CONVERSATION OR SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA RELATED TO, TO THAT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING TO, TO CITY, TO CITY STAFF.
DO YOU WANT TO JUST HAVE THAT AS AN UPDATE FROM THE SYSTEMIC WORKING GROUP? I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL, IF, IF THAT OR SPECIFICALLY JUST WHERE YOU KNOW, WHERE CONVERSATIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP BECAUSE WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE DATE, UM, UH, SYNOVIA, UM, THAT YOU GUYS NEED MET? YOU GUYS? UH, WE HAD LATE OCTOBER Q4.
SO, SO THAT YOU HAVE IT, I THINK WHEN YOU HAVE IT, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE TABLE.
WHY AM I GOING, WHAT AM I DOING? AM I ECHOING FOR YOU? NO.
UM, YEAH, I THINK SOME, SOMETHING, SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA REGARDING, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY, UM, FOR FUNDING, UM, FROM LAB DESIGN MUSIC FUND OR WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL IT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE OF THE LANGUAGE, BUT SOMETHING ABOUT A CONVERSATION ABOUT FUND A LOT, MEN FOR ADDRESSING, UM, EQUITY ISSUES WITHIN AUSTIN MUSIC MUSIC.
SO WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON THAT ELEMENT IN NOVEMBER.
SO OCTOBER, IT'S GOING TO BE JUST THE EQUITY PILLARS OF WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.
AND OUR FIRST MEETING WILL BE OCTOBER 7TH TO KIND OF GO OVER THAT WITH MARGIE AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH SOME COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN ANNOUNCED IN THAT FIRST MEETING, OCTOBER 7TH.
WE'LL BE SURE THAT YOU GUYS GET AN EMAIL IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY TO, TO REMIND YOU ABOUT THAT.
AND THEN, UM, THEN THAT'S IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK LIKE ACTUAL GUIDELINES FOR FEEDBACK AND EVERYTHING WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND THERE'LL BE ANOTHER SERIES OF MEETINGS.
THAT'S UH, SIGN, SORRY, THE ECHOES.
IF YOU'RE NOT TALKING, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY NEED EVERYONE ELSE.
UM, YEAH, I WAS JUST SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AS A MUSIC MENTIONED.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE HAVING A CONVERSATIONS, BUT I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE, UM, PREPARE OURSELVES TO BE ABLE TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE NOVEMBER, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR AGENDA.
THAT'S TALKING ABOUT THAT, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO THIS IS STILL NO NOVI AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS ARE MEETING AND WHEN YOU BRING BACK HERE RECOMMENDATION ON THE LIVE MUSIC FUN, IT'D BE LIKE YOU DID TODAY.
YOU COULD BUILD THAT IN AND THEN PASS THAT AND GIVE IT TO US.
AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL GET A TIME SLOT FOR A LONGER MEETING.
I KNOW THE CLERK IS STILL HOME, WHICH IS WHAT I WANTED TO CONFIRM WITH YOU, RICK.
SO YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER, OUR NEXT TRY TO, FOR OUR NEXT REGULAR NOVEMBER MEETING IN THE EVENING, I THINK THERE IS A FIVE 30 SLOT.
I THINK MAYBE WE WANT TO GET ONE IN OCTOBER BEFORE THAT.
SO, UM, SHOULD BE SHOOT FOR THE THIRD WEEK OF OCTOBER, WHICH WOULD BE A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT GIVE US SOME TIME FOR YOU GUYS TO, TO, TO MEET AND FOR STAFF TO ALSO GET, YOU KNOW, COME BACK WITH SOME MORE FRUITFUL INFORMATION WITH EACH OTHER THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
IS IT JUST ABOUT RIGHT? WE CAN ADJUST THE SCHEDULE ACCORDINGLY GOING FORWARD AFTER THAT.
AND WE CAN TRY TO EXTEND THE TIME PERIOD AS WELL.
UM, I WOULD GUESS REQUESTING PROBABLY THREE HOURS
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WOULD BE THE BEST TWO AND A HALF OR THREE, MAYBE START AT TWO AND A HALF.SO WITH THE EVENING WORK WITH EVERYONE BECAUSE WE HAVE SLOTS OF INFORMATION AND KIM CAN GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON EXACTLY THE OPTIONS GIVEN TO US RIGHT NOW, THE OPTION THAT THEY PUT ON THE TABLE WAS OCTOBER 5TH, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING AND THEY HAD IT, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE EVENING.
I BELIEVE IT WAS ONE O'CLOCK SLOT, BUT IT WOULD BE A WINDOW OF FOUR HOURS.
SO YOU COULD HAVE IT LATER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THE TIME THAT, UH, WE CAN ASK FOR A LATER DATE, UH, WITH A DIFFERENT SLOT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
YEAH, I THINK, CAUSE YOU GUYS SAID YOUR MEETING ON THE SEVENTH, IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER IF OUR MEETING WAS AFTER THAT.
SO MY THOUGHT WOULD BE, UH, TAKE DOUG AND SHAKA AS TWO ITEMS AND THAT HAVE BE OUR WHOLE AGENDA.
WE GOT THE TWO AGENDA ITEMS TODAY AND WE'RE GONNA WRAP UP IN A BAD TIME.
SO SHOTGUN, DID YOU HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR AGENDA ITEM? YOU, SOMEONE WAS BAD AT THIS.
HEY MAN, CAN YOU JUST SAY, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT RACE AND THE LIVE MUSIC FUND RECOMMENDATIONS SPECIFICALLY? SO, UM, MOTION, UH, WHAT IS IT? DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON LINE MUSIC, FUN ALLOTMENTS WITH SPECIFIC ATTENTION TO SYSTEMIC RACISM AND EQUITY.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER GARCIA? ALL IN FAVOR.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WANT TO ADD? LIKE TO GRAHAM'S POINT THOUGH? I THINK A COUPLE OF GENERAL ITEMS RIGHT NOW IS GREAT.
AND IF WE WANT TO SQUEEZE SOMETHING ELSE IN, ONCE WE HAVE A SCHEDULE, THEN THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS WELL.
WHAT WOULD THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, MOTION TO ADJOURN.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER PANOLA.
ALL OPPOSED MEETING IS ADJOURNED.