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          WELL, 
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HOW DO YOU, EVERYONE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          GREAT. 
          [Call to Order]
WELL, IT IS SIX O'CLOCK. 
          SO WE MIGHT AS WELL START TONIGHT. 
          ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. 
          AND FIRST I WILL CALL, DO THE ROLL CALL. 
          COMMIT COMMISSIONER ACOSTA, COMMISSIONER GEARY HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER GARY. 
          YEAH, I CAN SEE YOU I'M HERE. 
          IS IT NOT WORKING? THAT'S WEIRD. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A, I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND ALSO I DIDN'T AND, UH, VICE CHAIR. 
          BERRERA RAMIREZ HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER BRAY, COMMISSIONER. 
          DINKLER PRESENT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, AND THEN I, CAUSE I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE VOICE. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER KING. 
          I'M HERE. 
          KOBASA COMMISSIONER RAY HERE AND COMMISSIONER SMITH. 
          ALTHOUGH I KNOW COMMISSIONER SMITH IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE TODAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN FOR, UM, BEFORE I FORGET, UM, OH ACTUALLY IT MIGHT AS WELL. 
          UM, 
          [Reading of the Agenda]
THE TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS, UM, A ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM OCTOBER 20TH, 2020. 
          AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          B ONE REZONING C 14 DASH TWO OH TWO OH DASH ZERO ZERO NINE TWO. 
          UM, ONE, THREE, FIVE OH FIVE BURNETT ROAD REZONING. 
          AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AND, UH, B2 REZONING. 
          YES. 
          AND THE, AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND THAT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF MF THREE AND THEN S B TO REZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO NINE ONE JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR RECOMMENDATION OF L I C O AND B THREE, REZONING C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ONE ZERO EIGHT ROGERS LANE PROJECT. 
          THAT IS, UH, THIS IS REZONING FROM SF TWO TO SF THREE AND RECOMMENDED, AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          AND THAT IS ALL OF OUR AGENDA. 
          UNLESS ANYBODY WANTS TO PULL ANYTHING OR DO ANYTHING, UM, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE. 
          THIS IS COMMISSIONER. 
          I GAVE IT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM B TO FRICK. 
          IT'S JUST FOR DISCUSSION. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          WE WILL PULL B TOO. 
          AND UM, SO 
          [Consent Agenda]
THE CONSENT AGENDA IS  APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES, B ONE REZONING AND WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF  AND B3, UM, WHICH IS, UH, SF TWO TO SF THREE, UM, CLOSED. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GRANT THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, I SAW COMMISSIONER BURRELL, RAMIREZ OR VICE-CHAIR BERRERA RAMIREZ. 
          RAISE YOUR HAND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER DENTLER, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND GRANTING THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          IT LOOKS UNANIMOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          [B2. Rezoning: C14-2020-0091 - Johnny Morris Road Light Industrial; District 1]
AND NOW ON TO B2 AND SHERRY, THAT WOULD BE YOU AND THERE ARE SOME SPEAKERS LINED UP, BUT THERE'S THIS IS SHARON. 
          HI SHERRY. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS SHERRY FOR WAITRESS WITH THE CITY OF AUSTIN HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS IS ITEM NUMBER B TWO, WHICH IS CASEY 14, 2020 ZERO ZERO NINE ONE, JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. 
          SORRY, I JUST NEED ONE SECOND HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 62, 13 AND A HALF JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD. 
          THE REQUEST IS FROM L I C O AND W L O C O TO ALLY ZONING. 
          THE STAFF RECOMMENDS EL ICO LIMITED INDUSTRIAL CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          COMBINING DISTRICT ZONING. 
          THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY WILL LIMIT THE SITE TO USE IS PERMITTED IN THE IP INDUSTRIAL PARK DISTRICT. 
          AND THE CONSUMER CONVENIENCE SERVICE TO USE THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION 
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IS A MODERATELY VEGETATED AND DEVELOPED 14 ACRE AREA THAT FRONTS ONTO JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD TO ATTRACTIVE LAND TO THE NORTH, CONTAINS A MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE SOUTH. 
          THERE IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A BARN AND ANOTHER OTHER MANUFACTURED HOME PARK. 
          THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST ACROSS JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD CONSISTS OF AN UNDEVELOPED TRACK, A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND AN OFFICE WAREHOUSE VIEWS TO THE EAST. 
          THERE'S A RAIL LINE AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM LIC O AND W L OCO TO DEVELOP THE SITE WITH THE LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION USE. 
          THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THE BASIS AS FOLLOWS THE PROCESS, THE PROPOSAL, AND IT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE PURPOSE STATEMENT OF THIS DISTRICT SOUGHT THE LIMITED INDUSTRIAL SERVICE DISTRICT IS INTENDED AS AN AREA PRIMARILY FOR COMMERCIAL SERVICES AND LIMITED MANUFACTURING USES GENERALLY ON MODERATELY FIVE SITE. 
          THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS A 14 PLUS ACRE TRACT OF LAND THAT IS LOCATED ON JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY ACROSS FROM EXISTING AND STREET. 
          INDUSTRIAL USES THE ZONING SHOULD ALLOW FOR A REASONABLE USE OF THE PROPERTY. 
          OH, I SEE, IS THAT IT WILL COME IF THE APPLICANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION USES THAT WERE PERMITTED IN THE ORIGINAL ZONING ORDINANCE IN 1988, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL OVERLAY WILL LIMIT TO SITE TWO IP INDUSTRIAL PARK USES THIS CEO WILL PROHIBIT THE MORE INSENSITIVE OF DOCSIS INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES ON THE SITE AS A RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND EAST OF THIS TRACT OF LAND. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS STATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN THE CONSUMER CONVENIENCE CONVENIENCE SERVICES USE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE PROPERTY TO USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE IP DISTRICT. 
          HOWEVER, THIS USE IS PERMITTED IN MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN ZONING DISTRICTS AND PROVIDES FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES AND IT WOULD NOT BE INAPPROPRIATE AT THIS LOCATION. 
          THE PROPOSED LSU ZONING IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE IT FRONTS ONTO AND WILL ACCESS AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY ACROSS FROM LIC ZONING TO THE WEST THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH LIMITED WORK ON HOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION USE. 
          THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE COLONY PARK STATION NEIGHBORHOOD ACTIVITY CENTER AND IS 13,000 FEET DUE TO THE SOUTH OF LIONEL LANE ACTIVITY CORRIDOR AS PLANNED IN THE NAVY. 
          AND THE IMAGINE AUSTIN NEIGHBORHOODS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE AS STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SHERRY. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. 
          I FORGOT YOUR NAME. 
          I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER DOCUMENT, BUT JOHN COMMISSION-WISE ON HAND FOR HER. 
          THAT'D BE SIX MINUTES. 
          OH, SIX MINUTES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES. 
          HELLO. 
          UH, I'M AMANDA BROWN, UH, WITH KIMLEY-HORN, UM, I'M REPRESENTING THE, UH, PROPERTY DEVELOPER AT 62, ONE FIVE AND A HALF JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD. 
          UM, IT CAN EVERYBODY, IS THERE, I JUST GO TO SLIDE TWO, PLEASE. 
          THIS IS A GENERAL SITE LOCATION OF WHERE THE SITE IS. 
          UM, THAT'S RIGHT ON JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD. 
          UM, IT'S WITHIN FIVE MILES OF ONE 30, ONE 83 TO 90 AND 35. 
          UM, AND THERE'S ALSO A RAIL LINE THAT GOES JUST WEST TO THE SITE. 
          AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER IN MY NEXT SLIDE. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS IS A GENERAL JUST ZONING MAP THAT SHERRI ALREADY DID A GOOD JOB COVERING, UM, OUR EXISTING ZONING ICO AND W L O DASH T O. 
          UM, BUT INTO TWO TRACKS, UM, SURROUNDING IS MH  AND THEN, UM, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CEO AND INDUSTRIAL PARK ACROSS FROM JOHN ANYMORE. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, THIS IS THE CURRENT ZONING, UM, WE'RE BASICALLY GOING FROM LLI TO, UM, LLI AND WLO TO L I A, THE EXISTING RESTRICTIONS ON THE SITE. 
          UM, CURRENTLY RESTRICTS THE USES THAT ARE ALLOWED AND INDUSTRIAL PARK, WHICH IS A, UM, MORE RESTRICTIVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING. 
          UM, THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO KIND OF, UM, REDUCE THE, UM, OF NOXIOUS USES INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED ON THE SITE. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IT'S, UH, LIMITS THE, A PORTION OF THE TRACK TO THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ESTABLISHED AN IP. 
          UM, IT LIMITS THE ENTIRE TRACKS TO 0.09, SIX TO ONE FAR AND, UM, LIMIT IT LIMITS THE ENTIRE TRACK TO THE PDA PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ESTABLISHED IN 13 DASH TWO DASH TWO 96, UM, WHICH IS REFERENCING THE 19 RIGHT 88 CODE. 
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UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WE'RE PROPOSING TO SIMPLIFY THE ZONING ACROSS THE SITE TO L I C O M AND ALSO EXPAND THE RESTRICTED USES TO THE ENTIRE SITE, UM, TO THOSE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK DISTRICT, WHICH AGAIN IS A MUCH MORE RESTRICTIVE INDUSTRIAL ZONING USE, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CONSUMER CONVENIENCE SERVICES. 
          UH, SLIDE SIX, PLEASE. 
          UM, SO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY HAS PROVISIONS, UM, SET IN IT, THAT ACCOUNT FOR SITUATIONS WHERE YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL ZONING NEXT TO, UM, RESIDENTIAL ZONING. 
          UM, AND THAT IS COMPATIBILITY AND THAT'S GOING TO BE TRIGGERED FROM THE EAST AND THE SOUTH. 
          UM, ADDITIONALLY, THE THERE'S ADDITIONAL BUILDING SETBACKS THAT ARE REQUIRED, UM, FROM THE NORTH IT'S 25 FEET IN FROM THE SOUTH. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE 50 FEET. 
          ADDITIONALLY THERE'S LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO MEET ACROSS A LONG JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD TO ADDITIONALLY SCREEN THE INDUSTRIAL USE FROM THE JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD VIEW. 
          UM, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO TRANSPORTATION, A TIA IS NOT REQUIRED. 
          ONLY 1100 VEHICLE TRIPS ARE PROPOSED PER DAY. 
          UM, AS SHERRY ALREADY MENTIONED, ACCESS WILL BE TAKEN FROM JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD, WHICH IS AN ARTERIAL. 
          UM, SO SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE DONE ALONG THE SUBJECT TO TRACK, UM, IN THE RIDE ALONG JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP, THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, AND THROUGH THOSE CONVERSATIONS, ONE OF THE BIGGEST SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION WAS THE SIDEWALK GAPS FROM OUR SITE, JUST SOUTH OF OUR SITE, ALL THE WAY UP TO LOYAL ELAINE, UM, WHICH CONNECTS TO TWO BUS STOPS AND, UM, TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, JUST NORTH OF LOYOLA LANE, UM, WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THEM TO ENTER INTO A PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FILL THAT GAP IN THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, SO THAT'S GENERALLY THE, UM, THE, THE ZONING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          UM, SLIDE EIGHT, PLEASE. 
          I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER OF THE SITE WHO IS GOING TO BE THE ULTIMATE USER TO KIND OF GO BRIEFLY, GO THROUGH, UM, THE USE OF TEXAS COLD WORK. 
          OH, HELLO. 
          AND THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M CHRISTIAN GARCIAS, MANAGING PARTNER FOR TEXAS CO-WORKS. 
          UM, TEXAS COAL WORKS ESSENTIALLY IS A REFRIGERATED WAREHOUSE FOR FOOD SERVICING THE WIDER AUSTIN COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THIS WILL BE A STATE-OF-THE-ART FACILITY, VISUALLY APPEALING CLASS, A BUILDING, AND AUSTIN'S FIRST PUBLIC COLD STORAGE. 
          UH, THE REASON THAT'S IMPORTANT, UM, 80% OF ALL COLD STORAGE IS, UH, PUBLIC, UH, THERE'S OVER 40, UH, PUBLIC POOL STORAGE FACILITIES IN TEXAS. 
          AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE NONE HERE IN AUSTIN. 
          UH, THE FACILITY IS ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY, VERY LOW AND NO POLLUTION, NO WASTE, NO, UH, NO NOISE IT'S APPROXIMATELY, UH, OR ITS PROXIMITY TO DOWNTOWN AUSTIN. 
          AND FOR ME, YOUR HIGHWAYS, LIKE AMANDA MENTIONED, UH, WE ESTIMATE WILL INCREASE THE EFFICIENCY OF FOOD DISTRIBUTION, UH, BY 50%, UH, WHICH CONSEQUENTLY REDUCES AUSTIN TRAFFIC. 
          THEY USE OF CARBON FUELS AND GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS. 
          UM, TEXAS COAL WORKS WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT DRIVER ALSO FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THE REGION FILLING THE MISSING PIECE FOR THE LONG AWAITED CENTRAL TEXAS FOOD HUB. 
          ACCORDING TO THE SUSTAINABLE FOOD CENTER, THIS WILL PROMOTE LOCAL FARMING, REDUCE FOOD WASTE, INCREASE THE AVAILABILITY OF FRESH FOODS, ESPECIALLY FOR EAST AUSTIN. 
          UH, ACCORDING TO, UM, TO THE TEXAS WORKFORCE COMMISSION, UH, THIS INDUSTRY IN PARTICULAR, UH, IS ONE OF THE LEAD CREATOR OF JOBS, ESPECIALLY FOR A PAYING LIVING AWESOME JOB, UH, ESPECIALLY FOR NON-DEGREE HOLDERS. 
          UH, SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY AND, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          GREAT SLIDE. 
          THANK YOU, CHRISTIAN. 
          I'VE GOT ONE MORE SLIDE. 
          UM, UM, SO JUST IF YOU REASONS TO, TO, TO SUPPORT AND TO RECAP, UM, WE'RE REMOVING EXISTING RESTRICTIONS, WHICH, WHICH RENDER THE PROPERTY AND VIABLE FOR A MODERN LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S PRIMARILY REFERRING TO THE RESTRICTIVE FAR, UM, OF 0.09621, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A 63,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ON A 15 ACRE SITE, UM, WHICH, WHICH GREATLY LIMITS THE USERS OF THAT TYPE OF BUILDING. 
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UM, AGAIN, WE'RE SITUATED IN, UM, IDEAL IN AN IDEAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK FOR AN INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          UM, UH, ADDITIONALLY I RECENTLY CAME ACROSS A STUDY THAT I BELIEVE WAS, UM, GIVEN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING THE CITY OF BOSTON'S DWINDLING, INDUSTRIALLY ZONED PROPERTIES IN AUSTIN. 
          UM, AND FINALLY THE ENHANCED SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS BOTH ON OUR SITE AND THE OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AND WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ACHIEVE. 
          UM, SO I 10 AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND WE ARE AVAILABLE. 
          I ALSO HAVE THE ENGINEER HERE, UM, FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MAY HAVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AMANDA. 
          AND, UM, I BELIEVE THAT I, IT LOOKS LIKE CHRISTIAN GARCIAS HAS SIGNED UP AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE WANTS TO SPEAK OR HARRISON HUDSON, UNLESS WE JUST HEARD THEM THEY'RE ON OUR TEAM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN JOEL WICKSON ALSO ON OUR TEAM. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY BUDDY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AGAINST, SO, UM, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO REBOOT, BUT IF YOU, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING FROM YOUR TEAM, GO AHEAD. 
          AND IF NOT, WE'LL JUST, UM, OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN, UH, OPENING UP FOR QUESTIONS. 
          AND SINCE COMMISSIONER GARY PULLED IT, I WILL GO TO HER FIRST. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU COULD GIVE THE LITTLE HAND ICON, I'M GOING TO GRAB THE TOWER BACK. 
          UM, AND SO COMMISSIONER GARY. 
          SURE. 
          IF WE WISH TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OH YES. 
          UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I SEE COMMISSIONER DANKA DUNCAN RAISING HIS HANDS, COMMISSIONER SUDAN, CLAIRE SECONDING, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CLOSING, REPAIRING, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          GREAT. 
          IT IS UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER GEARY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          AND I JUST BASICALLY WANT TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS, UM, BECAUSE I SAW THIS, UM, REPORT AND I WOULD JUST WANT, ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MS. BROWN FOR TAKING THE TIME TO VISIT WITH ME REGARDING MY CONCERNS. 
          AND, UM, WHAT MIGHT MY POINT IS REGARDING THIS? I SUPPORT THE PROJECT. 
          UM, BUT WHAT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT  EAST BOSTON LIVED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO INDUSTRIALIZE ZONING AREAS. 
          I CAN RELATE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ADJACENT TO THIS, TO THIS ZONING. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE PROHIBITED USES THAT ARE BEING LISTED. 
          UM, I JUST WANT TO REMIND STAFF AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT AND THIS IS NOT AGAINST THE APPLICANT OR THE OWNERS. 
          IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAME LIKE TO ME ON PAGE SEVEN, IT TALKS ABOUT YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN INDUSTRIAL ZONING IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES, THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR NEGATIVE IMPACT LIKE NOISE, LIGHT POLLUTION, NOXIOUS SMELLS, ET CETERA. 
          AND OF COURSE THERE'S SAFETY ISSUES. 
          SO MY POINT IS IS THAT IF, WHEN THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO BE ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL ZONING, IT IS SO IMPORTANT THAT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE RESIDENTS NOT BE COMPROMISED. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, YOU KNOW, EAST AUSTIN, PRIMARILY A POOR, POOR PART OF TOWN. 
          AND JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE POOR, THE RESIDENTS REPORT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY SHOULD BE TREATED POORLY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNERS BEING CONSCIENTIOUS AND WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDING THIS, UM, BECAUSE IF NO ACTION RESULTS IN WHAT COULD BE, UM, SYSTEMIC RACISM, INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM, WHEN THOSE POOR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE TO SETTLE IN, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO SETTLE, UM, REGARDLESS OF THEIR ECONOMIC SITUATION. 
          SO I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY STAFF AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE, AND I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT THE APPLICANT OWNERS ARE PUTTING FORTH, UM, TO REALLY MITIGATE ANY POTENTIAL FOR NOISES, ANY POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT POLLUTION, ANY POTENTIAL FOR OBNOXIOUS SMELLS. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE, SAFETY. 
          I WAS EXCITED TO SEE ABOUT THE EFFORTS REGARDING ADDRESSING THE SAFETY ISSUES. 
          UM, I'VE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS ROAD. 
          UM, I KNOW WHEN RESIDENT, THE CHILDREN ARE LEAVING THE SCHOOL THAT BARBARA JORDAN, THAT DRIVEWAY GETS REALLY PACKED IN, IT BECOMES VERY UNSAFE. 
          SO JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE 
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EFFORTS OF THE OWNERS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT PLEASE STAFF I WORK WITH, WITH THEIR WORK, WITH THEIR RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT NO QUALITY OF LIFE IS NOT COMPROMISED. 
          THEN I HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO SAY SOMETHING, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T SAY SOMETHING, WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING, THEN YOU BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          AND I WILL NOT CONTRIBUTE TO ANY POLICY THAT WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, YOU KNOW, CREATE A SYSTEMIC OR INSTITUTIONAL RACISM POLICY. 
          SO THAT'S BASICALLY MY POINT. 
          AND AGAIN, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE MS. BROWN TAKING THE TIME TO VISIT WITH ME. 
          AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I'M GOING TO RELY ON THE LITTLE, THE HAND ICONS, BUT, UM, I DID SEE COMMISSIONER DINKLER AND THEN I'LL GO TO, AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING HAS THE LITTLE H IS USING THE LITTLE HAND ICON. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER DENTLER. 
          YOU ARE STILL ON MUTE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I JUST GOT A NEW LAPTOP AND I CAN'T FIND THE HAND ICON, UH, TWO QUESTIONS, ONE FOR, UH, THE APPLICANT. 
          UH, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEIR HOURS FOR, I KNOW THERE WERE REFRIGERATING, UM, PRODUCTS TO BRING TO GROCERY STORES. 
          DO THEY ANTICIPATE, UH, HAVING TRAFFIC, UM, DELIVERIES AFTER 10 O'CLOCK AND BEFORE SEVEN. 
          AND THEN THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, CAN, UM, WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRIDE WALKS, UH, SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AS PART OF A RISK PUBLIC RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          UH, SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADING AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IF THE APPLICANT CAN, UM, RESPOND IF THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO DOING THE SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION AS PART OF A, UH, PUBLIC RC. 
          SO ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S TWO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME, ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          I WAS UP WAY TOO LATE LAST NIGHT, UM, APPLICANT, UH, HOURS OF DELIVERY AND WHETHER THEY'D BE AMENABLE TO A PUBLIC RC. 
          OKAY. 
          WHO WANTS TO ANSWER YES. 
          COMMISSIONER DINKLER. 
          THIS IS SHARON TO WITNESS WITH THE STAFF. 
          SO THE SIDEWALKS WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THIS PROPERTY AT THE TIME OF SUBDIVISION BECAUSE THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN SLOTTED. 
          SO IN THE PLANNING PROCESS, THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE REQUIRED ALONG THE FRONT EDGE OF JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          THE EXTENSION OF SIDEWALKS BEYOND THIS PROPERTY CANNOT BE PART OF THE ZONING CASE BECAUSE THAT IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE ZONING. 
          AND IT WOULD BE AN OFFSITE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE CANNOT PLACE IN A PUBLIC DOCUMENT AND WE CANNOT REQUIRE, SO THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN A PRIVATE RC WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SO HAVE WE EVER APPROVED THE ABILITY TO, UH, PART WASN'T PART OF TRAFFIC IMPACT FEE JOG MY MEMORY THAT WE COULD GO BEYOND THE ZONING DISTRICT? THE ONLY TIME WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO BEYOND THE ACTUAL PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS IF WE HAVE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PART OF THE ATI. 
          OKAY. 
          GOTCHA. 
          UH, AND THEN THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, UM, UH, WHETHER THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO DO A PRIVATE RC, UH, FOR THE EXTENSION OF THE SIDEWALKS AND WHAT ARE HOURS FOR DELIVERY. 
          SO I CAN, I CAN TAKE THE FIRST ONE. 
          YES, WE ARE. 
          WE ARE WILLING TO DO A PRIVATE RC AND WE ARE ALREADY IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UM, IN ORDER TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          UM, AND I'M HAPPY TO KEEP YOU GUYS UPDATED ON THAT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. 
          UM, AND I THINK CHRISTIAN, IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE HOURS OF OPERATION QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          AND IT OBVIOUSLY RIGHT AT THIS CURRENT MOMENT, WE DO NOT HAVE THE OPERATOR, BUT WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH OBVIOUSLY WITH CONNIE PARK FOR THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS, AND WE DO PLAN TO, UH, PROPOSE A SPECIFIC HOURS OF OPERATION. 
          AND, UH, WHAT WOULD THOSE BE? USUALLY PUBLIC COLD STORAGE FACILITIES ARE OPERATED IN TWO SHIFTS. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE HAVEN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT AS TO THE TIMES THE, BUT I THINK BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10 IS SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN, THAN, THAN THE, THAN, UM, THAT WE CAN WORK WITH. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
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OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KING AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, YES. 
          AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, UM, BASED ON THESE, UH, PROHIBITED, UH, AND THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD THE FOLLOWING USES, UH, FIRST OF ALL, HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PERSONAL SERVICES. 
          WHAT SPECIFIC USES ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THAT CATEGORY? THAT WAS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE TO FALL IN THE DEFINITION IN THE CODE COMMISSIONER. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT AS I UNDERSTAND THAT RESTAURANT GENERAL RESTAURANT LIMITED SERVICE STATION, UM, AND THEN ALSO STABLES WOULD BE ALLOWED. 
          THEY WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED IF THEY ARE PERMITTED BY THE IP DISTRICT, THEN YES, THEY WOULD BE PERMITTED ON THE SITE. 
          THEY'RE IN THERE, THEY'RE ALLOWED UNDER L I, IF THEY ARE PERMITTED IN THE IP DISTRICT, ONLY IP PERMITTED USES. 
          THAT'S WHAT THIS IS LIMITING. 
          THE LIC WOULD LIMIT THE PROPERTY TO IP PERMITTED DISTRICT USES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE HIS RESTAURANT LIMITED RESTAURANT GENERAL SERVICE STATION, WOULD THOSE BE ALLOWED UNDER THE PROPOSED CEO WITH A PROBATED USERS? SO LET ME GO DOWN THE COLUMN PRIZE HE USED. 
          YEAH, I'M SORRY, SHERRY. 
          I WAS LOOKING AT THAT AND I COULDN'T, I MIGHT'VE GOTTEN CONFUSED OR WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THAT, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YES. 
          RESTAURANT IN GENERAL IS PERMITTED RESTAURANT LIMITED IS PERMITTED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT OTHER USERS SERVICE STATION SERVICE STATION IS PERMITTED UNDER IP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO THOSE, THOSE KIND OF CONCERN ME IN TERMS OF USES AND, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M REALLY JUST, YOU KNOW, I WONDER IF THOSE COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PROHIBITED USES COMMISSIONER, YOU COULD OFFER THAT AS A PROPOSED CONDITIONAL PART OF THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, WELL, UM, THE, I ALSO WONDER ABOUT, UM, I'M JUST KIND OF UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS PROPOSED ZONING, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE RIGHTS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING, BUT I'M JUST VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS ZONING RIGHT NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          AND THESE ARE MOBILE HOME FAMILIES THAT ARE LIVING IN THESE MOBILE HOMES. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST CAN'T HELP, BUT JUST, AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT STAFF NECESSARILY, BUT JUST GENERALLY THAT IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO HAVE THIS KIND OF ZONING NEXT TO, TO, TO, TO THESE FAMILIES HERE, THESE, THESE RESIDENTIAL FAMILIES HERE, I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE IN THIS. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE RIGHTS UNDER THE CURRENT ZONING. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ZONING IS GOING TO HELP LIMIT SOME OF THOSE USES THAT ARE CONCERNING NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          BUT FUNDAMENTALLY AT THIS KIND OF ZONING CASE CAME UP AND ANOTHER SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH SINGLE FAMILY ZONING. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE JUST LIKE ON CONSENT. 
          I THINK THERE'D BE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. 
          SO I ALSO AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT I PERCEIVE AS A LITTLE BIT OF INEQUITY HERE, AND MAYBE SOME AREAS OF THE NEIGHBOR OF THE, OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE REPRESENTATION THEY NEED NECESSARILY, OR THE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES THEY NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THESE ZONING CASES. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. 
          I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THIS. 
          ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND YOU'RE CREATING THE JOBS AND, YOU KNOW, SERVICING, YOU KNOW, OUR FOOD INDUSTRIES HERE IN AUSTIN IS IMPORTANT, JUST FUNDAMENTALLY AND VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH LA ZONING. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES LATER ON. 
          AND IF I WERE TRYING TO LIMIT THOSE IN CERTAIN AREAS, AND IF WE LOOK AND ZOOM OUT AND WE SEE THAT EAST AUSTIN SEEMS TO BE THE EASTERN CRESCENT SEEMS TO BE AN AREA WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THE ZONING. 
          AND SO I'M JUST VERY, VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FUNDAMENTALLY WITH THIS. 
          SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO COMMISSIONER, I DO HAVE THE DESK, THE DEFINITION OF PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT. 
          YES, I WOULD. 
          THANK YOU, SHERRY. 
          OKAY. 
          PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT SERVICES YOUTH IS THE USE OF THE SITE FOR THE PROVISION OF INFORMATIONAL INSTRUCTION, PERSONAL IMPROVEMENT AND SIMILAR SERVICES OF A NON-PROFESSIONAL NATURE. 
          THIS USE INCLUDES PHOTOGRAPHY, STUDIOS, DRIVING SCHOOLS, HEALTH OR FITNESS STUDIOS, REDUCING SALON, DANCE STUDIOS, AND HANDICRAFT OR HOBBY INSTRUCTION. 
          THANK YOU, MR. HARRIS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANKS. 
          I BELIEVE, UM, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN HAS HIS HAND RAISED AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAY. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I RUBBER STAMP PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT MY COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER JERRY SAID. 
          UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE USE OF THE AREA, BUT I AM FINISHED TO THAT. 
          IT'D BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
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AND, UM, UH, I, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT IT WAS A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION BY THE AFRICAN AND STAFF. 
          UH, BUT THE, UH, I'M USUALLY A LITTLE WEARY WHEN I SEE, YOU KNOW, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING, WHICH SHOWS SOMETHING LIKE AN OVERLY GENEROUS FRONT YARD. 
          UH, THE APPLETS, UH, IF I RECALL THIS 0.9, SIX FAR TO ONE, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS WE TO COVER THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, LOOKING AT THE RENDERING, UH, I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S A ONE STORY, A THREE STORY FITS WITH THE STORAGE NATURE OF IT. 
          SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE ONE REASON AND THAT MIGHT'VE BEEN PRESENTED AND I MISSED IT. 
          AND I APOLOGIZE IF I DID, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, HOW IT'S GOING TO SIT THERE. 
          I MEAN, IT LOOKED, THE BRIDGE LOOKED GREAT, LOOKS LIKE AN OFFICE PARK. 
          UH, LIKE I SAID, THAT RARELY TURNS OUT HERE. 
          THE OTHER THING IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, SHOW ME A JOB TUTOR WRITER THAT ALSO MAY HAVE BEEN, UH, DISCUSSED, UH, STORAGE FACILITIES ARE GENERALLY NOT JOB GENERATORS. 
          UH, UH, LET'S FACT THAT I MISSED THE NUMBER. 
          WHAT ARE WE I'VE HEARD SHIFTS IN ELENA AND THE REFERENCE TO, UH, THE NEED FOR INDUSTRIAL? I AGREE. 
          UH, MY COLLEAGUE CONDITIONER, JANE JUST SAID LATER THAN THIS MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION BY STAFF ON INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH, UH, LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING. 
          UH, BUT I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS. 
          I AM NOT AGAINST THE PROJECT. 
          I JUST WANT IT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. 
          IF I MISSED ANY OF THOSE, I APOLOGIZE. 
          IF NOT LIKE TO HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE ANSWER. 
          THANK YOU MUCH. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          UM, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IN THE ZONING IS 60 FEET. 
          UM, THE CURRENTLY PROPOSED HEIGHT AS, AS DESIGNED, UM, JOEL, I'M GOING TO PUNT THAT ONE TO YOU. 
          ARE YOU AWARE OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL BASICALLY USE THE HEIGHT OF THE FACILITY IS MEASURED ACCORDING TO THE, THE HALF ROOF HEIGHT ON THE EVE. 
          UM, AND IT'S BASICALLY A FUNCTION OF WHERE THE BUILDING SITS, UM, RELATIVE TO THE NATURAL GRADE AROUND THE PERIMETER. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE WOULD ANTICIPATE SOMETHING, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE 40 TO 50 FOOT RANGE. 
          THANK YOU, JOEL. 
          AND THEN CHRISTIAN, IF YOU CAN ADDRESS THE JOBS WELL, THE, THE, UM, WHAT PARTICULAR PART OF THE JOBS, I MEAN, WELL, BEFORE WE GET THE JOBS, WHAT ABOUT THE, UH, THE FOOTPRINT BUILDING COVERAGE, 45 SPORTS FACILITIES WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A 45 FOOT TIDE ONE STORE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO BE COVERING 30%, 40%, 50% OF THE SITE? YEAH, I THINK WE'RE COVERING YES. 
          COMMISSIONER. 
          I THINK WE'RE COVERING 38% OF THE SITE TO A JOKE AND CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT, BUT IF I'M WRONG, BUT, UH, UH, AND IT'S, IT'S A ONE STORY THAT'S NOT A GOOD BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN NEXT THE COMMISSIONER RAY. 
          SO AS THE D ONE COMMISSIONER, UM, I'D LIKE TO ECHO A LOT OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS CONCERNS ABOUT EQUITY ISSUES ON THE EAST SIDE HAS REALLY BEAR THE BRUNT OF A LOT OF THE ADVERSE IMPACTS OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN THE PAST. 
          UM, WHILE I'M GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE OF THE JOB CREATION THAT INDUSTRIAL ZONING ENTAILS, UM, WHETHER THAT'S DIRECT OR INDIRECT THROUGH THINGS LIKE LOGISTICS INDUSTRY, I THINK WE ALWAYS DO NEED TO BE WARY ABOUT, UM, WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          UM, SO ALL THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO LIFT UP THE ACTUAL VOICES OF THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. 
          UM, AND I WANTED TO JUST ASK FOR THE APPLICANT TO ELABORATE ON WHAT THEIR WORK WAS LIKE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND WHAT CAME OUT OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          SURE. 
          I CAN, SORRY. 
          I CAN SPEAK TO THE, TO THE HISTORY AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF CORRELATE THE PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT DISCUSSION. 
          UM, SO COMMISSIONER IS JOEL WICKSON. 
          UM, THE APPLICANT, UM, WE INITIALLY CONNECTED WITH THE COLONY PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND PRESENTED THE, UM, THE LARGER CONCEPTS. 
          UM, THIS WAS ALL DONE SHORTLY AFTER THE INITIAL ZONING CASE. 
          UM, WE HAVE TRIED TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND FORTHCOMING ABOUT SCHEDULES AND DATES, UM, TO THE POINT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE ANTICIPATED GETTING THE STAFF REPORT. 
          WE KIND OF LET THEM KNOW THAT IT WOULD 
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BE FORTHCOMING. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH THEM ON ITEMS SUCH AS THE PROPOSED RESTRICTIONS TO BE SURE THAT THESE WERE NOT ITEMS, WHICH THEY WOULD DEEM DESIRABLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          UM, IN OUR EARLY DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT, UM, YOUR STANDARD RUNOFF, RIGHT? WHO'S GOING TO TREAT FOR STORM WATER QUALITY. 
          UM, WHAT TYPE OF TREE PROTECTIONS DO WE HAVE IN PLACE? WHAT ARE YOUR LAND USES? UM, AS A ZONING PLACE IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO GET TOO FAR DOWN INTO THE, UM, THE FINAL USERS, PEOPLE, WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SEVERAL CONCERNS, UM, PRIMARILY ABOUT LIGHTING, UM, AND, UH, THE TRANSPORTATION CONCERNS. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE PRECIPICE FOR THE, THE SIDEWALL COMPONENT. 
          WE, WE SAW SOMETHING WHICH COULD BE DONE AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND, UH, AGREED THAT, UM, STUDENTS HAD NO BUSINESS WALKING IN JOHNNY MORRIS, UM, IN ORDER TO FIND THEIR WAY TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE HAD THREE CONFERENCE CALLS THAT HAVE BEEN COORDINATED WITH, UH, MS. SCOTT AND THIS WINFREY. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, AMANDA HAS ACTUALLY TAKEN LEAD REGARDING THE PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE, UM, MANAGER OF THE PECAN MOBILE HOME PARK, WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, AND THE PRIMARY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT WAS WITH THE NEED FOR THE SIDEWALK. 
          UM, AND SO WITH REGARDS TO THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE, WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD HAVE LIKED TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT IN WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY OR A TAP, ATTACH IT TO THIS ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          UM, BUT AS SHERRY MENTIONED EARLIER, IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND SO INSTEAD WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TO, UM, TO DRAFT AN EXECUTE, A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT REQUIRING THAT SIDEWALK. 
          UM, THE RESTRICTED COVENANT WILL BE EXECUTED BY BOTH PARTIES PRIOR TO US GETTING TO THE COUNCIL HEARING, AND THEN WE'LL BE RECORDED, UM, ON THE DAY AFTER. 
          UM, AND, AND THE BENEFIT OF HAVING IT RECORDED ON THE PROPERTY IS THAT IF YOU KNOW, CODE WORKS GOES AWAY AND ENDS UP NOT DEVELOPING THE SITE AND SOMEBODY ELSE COMES IN, THAT'LL STILL BE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT PROPERTY. 
          IT RUNS WITH THE LAND. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN, UM, COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER, DANCLER, I WANT TO THROW UP FOR DISCUSSION THAT THE CONCERNS SEEMED TO BE NOT WITH THE USE, HOWEVER, WITH THE POSSIBLE IMPACTS OF THE USE AND ZONING, VERY OFTEN YOU CAN TAKE ZONING AND MAKE IT CONDITIONAL SO THAT THE SITE PLAN COMES BACK TO YOU AND YOU CAN LOOK AT ISSUES LIKE, UH, THE LIGHTING, THE HOURS OF OPERATION SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA. 
          SO THIS MAY BE A WAY TO SKIN THE CAT, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UM, IF, UH, I'M NOT THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          I DO THINK THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THEM IN GOOD FAITH, BUT WE HAVE, NO, WE CAN'T TELL IF THIS WILL BE EXECUTED. 
          UH, ALL THESE CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED BEFORE COUNCIL OR NOT. 
          SO I'D LOVE TO HEAR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THOUGHTS ON THAT, UH, BECAUSE COUNCIL CAN CERTAINLY NOT TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATION IF EVERYTHING GETS EXECUTED AND I PRIVATE RC. 
          UM, BUT IT IS ONE WAY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I'M HEARING FOLKS RAISE. 
          UM, I'D JUST LOVE TO HEAR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THOUGHTS ON THAT. 
          I DON'T SEE LITTLE HOT HAND ICONS RAISING, UM, WITH ANYBODY, UH, COMMISSIONER GARY. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT OPTION TO USE AN, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE VOICES OF THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS, UM, AND HAVE THEM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE FOR ME, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS WHO'S AT THE TABLE WHEN THE DECISIONS ARE MADE IN, IF WE DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT THE TABLE, UM, THEN WE, THINGS CAN HAPPEN. 
          AND SO I THINK THEM HAVING A VOICE AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ENGAGED, UM, WOULD BE A GREAT OPTION, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM. 
          AND, UM, AGAIN, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT ARE BEING PUT ON BY THE OWNERS AND THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, BUT I THINK WE CAN ELEVATE AND ENSURE THAT THERE'S A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT IS NOT COMPROMISED HERE. 
          AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          IS ANYBODY ACTUALLY GOING TO PROPOSE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON COMMISSIONER DANCLER? 
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UM, I WILL APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, UM, PROVIDED THE IP USES ARE CONDITIONAL. 
          UM, I IS THAT WE DO IT THAT WAY. 
          SHARING. 
          YEAH, YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY, BUT I THINK THE USE THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT AS LIMITED WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION, SO WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IS JUST MAKE THAT SPECIFIC USE CONDITIONAL. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WORKS. 
          WHY MAKE ANOTHER SUGGESTION? SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO IN, IN, IN THE PREVIOUS ZONING IN 1988, THERE WAS THE PDA STANDARDS THAT WERE REQUIRED ON THE PROPERTY. 
          UM, AND THOSE HAVE TRANSLATED TO THE CURRENT CODE AND THE PDA STANDARDS ARE VERY FOCUSED ON SMELLS AND, UM, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND LIGHTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. 
          UM, THE PDA IS IN PLACE SPECIFICALLY TO ALLOW FOR INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES AROUND RESIDENCES. 
          UM, MANY OF OUR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS TODAY ARE ACTUALLY PDAS. 
          UM, I THINK MAYBE INSTEAD OF DOING A CONDITIONAL USE, THEY COULD, WE COULD KEEP THE PDA RESTRICTIONS ON THE SITE, UM, TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS ARE BRINGING UP. 
          WHAT DID THE PDA ADDRESS? UH, MY CONCERN REALLY IS, UH, NOISE HOURS. 
          I MEAN, I, I BELIEVE YOUR APPLICANT JUST IN TERMS OF STAFFING THAT YOU WOULD DO TWO SHIFTS BETWEEN SEVEN AND 10, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT IF I WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS HAVING TRUCKS DRIVING OFF AT 3:00 AM IN THE MORNING. 
          UM, I'M ALWAYS SURPRISED WHEN I HAVE HAD ZONING CASES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, HOW GARBAGE PICKUP WOULD BE A CONSTANT REFRAIN BECAUSE PEOPLE JUST HATE BEING WOKEN UP BY, UM, DELIVERY TRUCKS OR GARBAGE PICKUPS. 
          UH, DOES THE PDA STANDARDS ADDRESS THAT? YES. 
          SO THERE'S DECIBEL LEVELS, UM, IN, IN THE PDA STANDARD, UM, OR HOW RESTRICTIVE ARE THOSE? ARE THEY THE STANDARD ONES? UM, I GUESS I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE STANDARD ONES ARE, BUT LET ME LOOK, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, EXCEPT FOR THE NOISE FROM A TRANSPORTATION FACILITY OR CONSTRUCTION WORK, THE NOISE MAY NOT EXCEED 55 DECIBELS, UM, LAN DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS AND 45 DECIBELS LAN DURING NIGHTTIME. 
          NOW THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE RESTRICTIVE, RESTRICTIVE THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, STICKER SOUND STANDARDS. 
          SO, UH, YEAH, THAT'S GREAT. 
          UH, THANK YOU. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO ALTER MY MOTION. 
          WE WOULD ALSO, WE WOULD ALSO, UM, BE WILLING TO DO THE TIME RESTRICTION IN, UM, IN THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT, BUT GET, GET IT NAILED DOWN TO A SPECIFIC TIME AND WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH YOU AT A LATER DATE TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE DECIDE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IN TERMS OF MAKING A MOTION, I NEED YOUR HELP MISS CEREUS TO MAKE SURE I'M DOING IT CORRECTLY, APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH, UM, P UH, PDA STANDARDS. 
          SO WHAT IT IS IS GIVEN THAT MAYBE SITE PLAN, RIGHT? SO WHAT IT IS IS SAYING L I P D A SASH RECOMMENDATION FOR LIB STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR LIC ZONING, WITH THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO INCLUDE A SECTION 25 TO SIX 48, WHICH IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREA PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          PERFECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I JUST MOVED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT? OKAY. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT ACTUALLY, BECAUSE I, OKAY. 
          UH, SHERRY, LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT APPROVED STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR L I C. 
          WAS IT CS? I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE THIS UP IN FRONT OF ME. 
          C S ZONING, L I T O C A ZONING, UH, INCLUDE, UH, THE CEO TO INCLUDE, UM, WHAT IS THAT PARK LP? A ZONING USES AND SECTION TWO, FIVE, SIX, FOUR EIGHT TWO, THE PDA PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
          YES. 
          IT WOULD BE THE IP DISTRICT USES AND TWENTY-FIVE TO 48, 
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THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AREA PERFORMANCE STANDARD THAT'S YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION, COMMISSIONER, GARY SECONDS IT, AND ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON IT OR SHIN? WE CAN WE JUST HAVE A VOTE? OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER KING. 
          I, I JUST, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT, I GUESS, ON THIS ONE, THE AGENT, UH, SO MY, UH, WHAT TYPE TYPE OF VEHICLES WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS, UH, IS IT 18 WHEELERS? THAT'LL BE LOW, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IN AND OUT DIFFERENT KINDS OF PRODUCTS, UH, THAT, AND, AND JOHNNY MORRIS ROAD, IF I, WHEN I LOOK AT IT ON GOOGLE, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO, IT SEEMS TO BE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A COUNTY ROAD WITH BAR DITCHES AND NOT MUCH IMPROVEMENTS ON, I JUST WONDER HOW THAT'S CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, THAT CONCERN OR THAT QUESTION? YES. 
          UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT, UH, 80, UH, SEMI TRIPS PER DAY. 
          UM, JOHNNY MORRIS HAPPENS TO BE A, UH, LEVEL OR, UM, ARTERY TO A HIGHWAY. 
          I KNOW IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT, DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IT'S, IT HASN'T BEEN DEVELOPED. 
          UM, AND IN ADDITION TO THE 80 OR SO SEMI TRIPS, THERE WILL BE OBVIOUSLY A SMALLER COMMERCIAL VEHICLES. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD EXPECT TO SOMEWHERE AROUND 200 OR SO TRIPS PER DAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          AND, AND, AND SEMIS, YOU ARE THAT, TO ME, THAT'S LIKE 18 WHEELERS. 
          LIKE I WOULD SEE THE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD, YOU KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND, AND I DO WONDER TOO, IF, UH, IF, UH, THERE WOULD BE ANY WILLINGNESS ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT AND OR THE COMMISSION TO INCLUDE THE PROBLEM, UH, PROHIBIT THE FOLLOWING USES INCLUDE THESE FOLLOWING PROHIBITED USES IN THE CEO, WHICH WOULD BE AUTOMOTIVE SALES, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICES, OUTDOOR SPORTS, AND RECREATION RESTAURANT, GENERAL RESTAURANT LIMITED SERVICE STATION. 
          OH, I WAS GOING TO SAY, YOU SHOULD OFFER THAT AS AN AMENDMENT. 
          UM, WOULD THAT BE ACCEPTABLE AS AN AMENDMENT? YOU CAN, WE CAN JUST HAVE A VOTE IF YOU WANT TO REPEAT THAT, MAKE THAT AS A MOTION, MAKE IT A MOTION. 
          UM, THE SERVICE STATION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THERE, SO THAT ONE'S TROUBLING ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE A, UH, OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER DUNCAN. 
          I SEE YOUR HAND RAISED. 
          THE ONLY THING I WAS STILL HERE EARLIER, THERE ARE CERTAIN ANCILLARY USES SUCH AS FUELING THE TRUCKS AND DAYCARE THAT I DON'T WANT TO PRECLUDE THE, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A PROBLEM FOR, BECAUSE THOSE WILL REDUCE EXTERNAL TRIPS. 
          SO LET'S BE CAREFUL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, YOU CAN ANSWER IT, BUT I THINK THOSE WERE PROBABLY ALLOWED THEM TO PLAN MIXED USE ANYHOW, BUT ANYHOW, JUST A THOUGHT. 
          UH, AND THEN MAYBE OTHERS. 
          UH, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ACCESSORY USES TO THE PRIMARY USE IF THERE ARE 10% OR LESS. 
          SO, SO COMMISSIONER KING, DO YOU STILL WANT TO MAKE YOUR MOTION OR ARE YOU OKAY? I'LL THROW IT OUT THERE JUST TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY SUPPORT FOR IT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION BY TO ADD, UH, THE FOLLOWING USES APPROPRIATE USES TO THE LIST OF, TO USES IN THE CEO THAT INCLUDE TO INCLUDE AUTOMOTIVE SALES, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICES, OUTDOOR SPORTS, AND RECREATION RESTAURANT, GENERAL RESTAURANT LIMITED SERVICE STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M TRYING TO, UM, AND SERVICE STATION. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO IS THERE A SECOND ON THAT MOTION? IT, I BELIEVE IT, UM, IT DIES FOR LACK OF A SECOND, SO, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          COMMISSIONER KING AND ANY OTHER PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, OR IF NOT, WE'LL JUST GO ON TO THE MAIN MOTION. 
          AND THE MAIN MOTION IS, AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETELY RESTATE IT. 
          UM, PRE-APPROVED STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR L I C A, WHICH IS LIMITED INDUSTRIAL CONDITION OVERLAY. 
          COMBINING DISTRICT, THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY ELIMINATES THE SIDE TO THE USES ALLOWED IN THE IP INDUSTRIAL PARK, UM, UH, ZONING CAP, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, AS WELL AS THE STANDARDS, UH, FOR, I'VE GOT TOO MANY NOTES HERE IN SECTION TWO, FIVE, SIX, FOUR, EIGHT, UH, FOUR PDA PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. 
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I THINK, I THINK SURE. 
          IT GETS IT. 
          AND THOSE ADDRESS, THE THINGS LIKE DELIVERY HOURS, LIGHT POLLUTION, UM, SIDEWALKS, ET CETERA. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SOUNDS GOOD. 
          UM, MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER, GARY SHERRY. 
          MY CORRECT ME. 
          I BELIEVE THE CORRECT NUMBER SHOULD BE 25. 
          SO JUST LIKE MAKE SURE YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, UH, COMMISSIONER COSTA. 
          I REALLY LIKE YOUR CAT AS PEOPLE WHO'VE WATCHED. 
          NO, THAT I THERE'S USUALLY A CAT BOMB ON MY PART. 
          UM, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          UM, AND I COUNT COMMISSIONER MI DANCLER COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER, COSTA VICE-CHAIR BREWER, RAMIREZ COMMISSIONER, DUNKIN, COMMISSIONER, RAY COMMISSIONER, BRIAN COMMISSIONER EVANS, ALL THOSE OPPOSED COMMISSIONER KING. 
          AND SO IT PASSES AND I BELIEVE THAT IS A NINE TO ONE. 
          JUST THE CAB HAVE A VOTE. 
          MY CAT NEVER GOT A VOTE, UM, REAL ACTIVE IN CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          OH, I THINK IT'S VERY CUTE. 
          AND I HAVE SEEN VIDEOS OF CATS, UH, STUDENT BOMBING. 
          SO ANYWAY, SO, OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, SHERRY, AND, UM, SO THAT IS IT FOR OUR ZONING CASES 
          [C1. Briefing and discussion regarding Industrial Zoning Study. Staff: Mark Walters, 512- 974-7695, Housing and Planning Department.]
AND OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM AND BRIEFING FROM MARK WALTERS. 
          AND THANK YOU, MARK FOR, UM, SENDING THE, YOUR SLIDES BEFOREHAND, UM, UH, C1, BRIEFING AND DISCUSSION REGARDING INDUSTRIAL ZONING STUDY. 
          UM, MARK WALTERS FROM THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU MY SHARES AS A CHAIR, JUST INDICATE THAT I'M MARK WALTERS WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M STILL GETTING USED TO THAT. 
          I'M HERE TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF A RECENT STUDY THAT WE CONDUCTED TO THE STAFF. 
          IS THE TITLE SLIDE UP? YES, THE SLIDE IS UP. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          THE STUDY CAME ABOUT OVER SEVERAL YEARS. 
          WELL, OVER SEVERAL YEARS, STAFF NOTICED THAT THERE HAS BEEN A CONTINUING EROSION OF INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND, MOSTLY EITHER THROUGH REDEVELOPMENT, ON VACANT LAND TO SOME OTHER, UH, TO SOME OTHER ZONING DISTRICT. 
          AND WE, WE GOT FURIOUS AS WE NOTICED THIS AS A TREND WE NOTICED IS PRIMARILY IN SOUTHEAST AUSTIN WHERE THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF, UH, ZONING CASES THAT WOULD TAKE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND AND THEN ZONE IT TO A COMMERCIAL MIXED USE IN ORDER TO PUT, YOU KNOW, LARGE GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ON ONE WAY FRONTAGE ROADS. 
          SO WE WANT TO DECIDE, SEE, IS THIS A PHENOMENON REALLY LOCATED IN SOUTHEAST AUSTIN OR IS THIS LARGER? SO THE STUDY IN QUESTION WAS BROKEN INTO REALLY SIX PARTS, BUT FOR A QUICK QUICKNESS SAKE, WE TOLD THEM WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THREE PARTS OF IT. 
          AND THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CURRENT STATE OF AUSTIN'S INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND, THE INDUSTRIAL CLUSTER, TOPOLOGY THAT WE AS STAFF DEVELOPED AND THEN SOME CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE CAME UP WITH THROUGH THE COURSE OF THIS STUDY. 
          AND NEXT, NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE ON THE MAP IN PURPLE, THAT IS WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL USE ZONE LAND IS LOCATED WITHIN AUSTIN. 
          IT'S A LITTLE OVER 11,600 ACRES, OR ABOUT 6.6% OF AUSTIN ZONE IS ZONE FOR INDUSTRIAL. 
          NEXT IS 2018, WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT DATA THAT WE HAVE. 
          UH, BUT ONE THING WE DID FIND IS THAT AT LEAST USING BY 2018 DATA, THAT ONLY JUST UNDER 40% OF THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND WAS USED FOR INDUSTRIAL USES, UH, THE TWO LARGEST NEXT, UH, TYPE OF USES WERE, UH, WE WERE UNDEVELOPED OR THEY WERE USED FOR OFFICE SPACE. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND HERE, IF YOU REMOVE ALL THE OTHER AREA, ALL THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THAT BY AND LARGE, THE INDUSTRIAL LAND IN AUSTIN IS GROUPED IN A SERIES OF LARGER AND SMALLER CLUSTERS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE, THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND MOSTLY LOCATED ON MAJOR FREEWAYS, BUT THAT'S 
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MAKES PERFECT SENSE THROUGHOUT HISTORY. 
          UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONE, PROPER INDUSTRIAL USES HAVE BEEN ALWAYS LOCATED ON CANALS NEAR PORTS, OTHER MAJOR TRANSPORTATION OF THE TIME WHERE THOSE USES WERE, WERE BEING WERE, WERE REUSED. 
          SO IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THAT FREEWAYS AND AIRPORTS ARE REALLY THE, THE TRANSPORTATION DRIVERS, A LOT OF AUSTIN ZONE PROPERTY. 
          AND IT ALSO REFLECTS THE TIME PERIOD WHEN WHICH AUSTIN REALLY STARTED DEVELOPING MORE INDUSTRIAL USES, UH, BETWEEN OH ONE AND 18, ABOUT 1,850 ACRES. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, BETWEEN 2001 AND 2018, ABOUT 1,850 ACRES WERE REZONED FROM INDUSTRIAL TO NON-INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS ONLY THE STUFF THAT ONLY THE DATA POINTS THAT WE COULD FIND THAT WERE IN THE AMANDA SYSTEM, UH, IN THE EARLIEST EARLIEST NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN, SPECIFICALLY, YOU CESAR CHAVEZ HOLLY AND THE VALLEY JOHNSON TERRACE, A LOT OF INDUSTRIALS OWN LAND THAT WAS THERE AS A LEGACY OF AUSTIN TO MAKE RACISM FROM THE 1928 PLAN AND THE 1930 ZONING PLAN. 
          I KIND OF PUT ALL THESE, UH, DEFINITELY INDUSTRIAL USES IN EAST BOSTON. 
          SO ONE OF THE, UH, WE WERE DOING THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS BACK THEN. 
          UH, ONE OF THE GOALS WAS TO ADDRESS THESE USES AND, UH, AND, AND TRYING TO FIND A ZONING SCHEME TO KIND OF, UH, REDRESS SOME OF THOSE PAST, UH, USES INDUSTRIAL USE OF BEING PUT SO CLOSE AND AMONG RESIDENTIAL USES. 
          UM, SO WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT EACH AND EVERY ZONING CASE, WHICH THAT'S A, THAT'S A SEMESTER'S WORTH OF WORK WORTH OF WORK FOR, FOR PLANNING, GRADUATE STUDENTS. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR INDUSTRIAL LANDS IN AUSTIN, IT'S WORTH ABOUT $9.5 BILLION, OR THAT'S 6% OF AUSTIN'S TOTAL VALUE. 
          IT TENDS TO HAVE A HIGHER IMPROVEMENT TO LAND RATIO. 
          THIS IS A MEASURE OF HOW VALUABLE THE STRUCTURES ARE RELATIVE TO THE VALUE OF THE LAND. 
          AND THIS IS PROBABLY PRIMARILY DUE TO THE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES AND PLUMBING AND ALL OF THAT THAT GOES INTO A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL USE ON LAND, UH, INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROJECTS ON, ON INDUSTRIAL HIS OWN LAND. 
          UM, IN THE YEARS BETWEEN 2014 AND 2018, WE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT UPTICK IN TAX ASSESSMENTS, UH, ON INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND, UH, FROM ABOUT 52% AT THE SAME TIME COMMERCIAL LAND INCREASED BY ABOUT 50, 62%, 52% RESPECTIVELY FOR THOSE TWO. 
          AND WE'VE SEEN THIS KIND OF LOOK BACK AT SOME RECENT ZONING CASES, UH, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THERE WAS A CASE IN THE ST ELMO INDUSTRIAL CLUSTER ON 600 INDUSTRIAL, WHERE THEY WENT FROM INDUSTRIAL ZONING TO COMMERCIAL OR TO, TO PUT, UH, TO DEVELOP THE CHANGES ONLY TO DEVELOP A MIXED USE PROJECT RIGHT NEXT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS INDUSTRIAL AREA. 
          SO, AND ONE OF THE REASONS THEY SIGNED IT WAS THE TENANTS CAN NO LONGER AFFORD THE TAXES DUE TO THE LEASE STRUCTURE. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT THAT KIND OF THIS VALUE INCREASING VALUATION IS HAVING AN EFFECT ON SOME INDUSTRIAL USERS. 
          UM, HISTORICALLY MOST INDUSTRIAL LAND IN AUSTIN WAS GAINED THROUGH ANNEXATIONS. 
          AND, UH, ONE OF THE BIGGER LOSSES OF INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND WAS A POLICY DECISION BY COUNCIL AT THE TIME TO PASS THE NORTH BURDICK GATEWAY, UH, ZONING OVERLAY, THE REGULATING PLAN. 
          AND THROUGH THAT, THEY LOST ALMOST A THOUSAND ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL LAND. 
          SO THERE IS A, SOME INDUSTRIAL ZONING IN THE REGULATING PLAN, BUT IT'S MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT WAS THERE PRIOR TO 2008. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          UM, AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE DEVELOPED, WE IDENTIFY EIGHT INDUSTRIAL CLUSTERS, UH, IN AUSTIN, AND YOU CAN SEE THEM IN THE MAP OUTLINED IN GENERALLY IN PURPLE, UM, AND BASED ON WHAT WAS BEING DONE IN LOS ANGELES AND STAFF DEVELOPED IN INDUSTRIAL CLUSTER TOPOLOGY. 
          SO WE CAN KIND OF WRAP OUR BRAINS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT BE GOING ON, OR WHAT'S THE STATE AT EACH ONE OF THESE CLUSTERS AND THE, THE THREE, UH, TYPOLOGIES WERE PROTECTION, INTENSIFICATION AND TRANSITION. 
          CAN I GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? SO PUSH PROTECTION IS THAT THIS IS A VIBRANT FUNCTIONING, UH, INDUSTRIAL AREA AND 
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THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          AND IN THOSE AREAS, UH, RESIDENTIAL USES SHOULD BE DISCOURAGED TO GO IN TO THESE INDUSTRIAL AREAS. 
          INTENSIFICATION IS THAT IT IS A, IT'S EITHER A BURGEONING OR EMERGING INDUSTRIAL, UH, DISTRICT IN THAT IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO EXPAND INDUSTRIAL USES IN THAT AREA. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD TYPE OF TYPOLOGY WAS THE TRANSITION. 
          AND THESE ARE AREAS THAT ARE LIKE, THE NAME IMPLIES ARE TRANSITIONING FROM ONE TYPE OF CHARACTER TO ANOTHER. 
          AND THE ONE THAT REALLY COMES TO MIND IS THE ST ELMO DISTRICT OFFICE SOUTH CONGRESS, BETWEEN SOUTH CONGRESS, 35 SOUTH OF BEN WHITE. 
          AND JUST THAT RIGHT THERE AREA NEAR WHERE INDUSTRIAL AND ST. 
          ELMO, UH, 10 TO SOUTH CONGRESS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, YOU'VE SEEN A TREMENDOUS CHANGE IN THAT AREA. 
          AND, AND, AND COUPLE THAT WITH THE 600 INDUSTRIAL CAKES, I JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU REALLY ARE SEEING THAT AREA TRANSITIONING TO SOMETHING ELSE, TO SOME KIND OF MAYBE MORE BOUTIQUE INDUSTRIAL BOUTIQUE, UH, MANUFACTURING, AS WELL AS, UH, DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES. 
          UH, THERE THERE'S ONE OF THE MORE POPULAR AREAS OVER THERE IS ACTUALLY A STRIP AT LEAST BEFORE MARCH OF THIS YEAR, UH, IS A STRIP OF, UH, BUSINESSES THAT INCLUDED DISTILLERY, A WINERY AND A BREWERY, AS WELL AS SOME SMALL-SCALE MANUFACTURING, THERE'S A COFFEE ROASTER. 
          AND BEFORE WHEN PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY, UH, ENGAGING PERSON ONE ONE-ON-ONE WITH EACH OTHER, IT WAS ACTUALLY A VERY HAPPENING SPOT. 
          SO THAT WAS A REALLY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA TRANSITIONING, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          AND WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THOSE IDENTIFIED IN THAT MAP ON A COUPLE OF SLIDES AGO, WE KIND OF APPLIED A TYPOLOGY TO EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, INDUSTRIAL CLUSTERS. 
          UH, AND THEN HE NOTICED THAT OF THOSE FOUR ARE ACTUALLY STARTING TO TRANSITION TO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          I IMAGINE THE MOST DRAMATIC WOULD BE, UH, NORTH POINT AT GATEWAY WITH, WITH THE DOMAIN AND ALL OF THAT THAT'S OCCURRING. 
          THAT'S FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THAT CHARACTER AS WELL AS THE REDEVELOPMENT ID AND SITE AND THE SOCCER STADIUM COMPLEX. 
          YOU REALLY ARE SEEING SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGING THAT PART OF THE FAR NORTH AUSTIN. 
          SO SOME OF THE FINDINGS, BUT DON'T, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, ANNEXATIONS ARE BIGGEST DRIVER OF INDUSTRIAL LAND GROWTH, AND WE AVERAGE IT OUT, UH, OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS, WE'VE LOST ALMOST 40 ACRES A YEAR OF INDUSTRIAL ZONING, UH, TO OTHER USES AND, UH, THE PRIMARY MECHANISM PRIOR TO THAT 10 YEAR FRAME, THE IMMEDIATE PAST 10 YEARS OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL LOANS ZONE LAND BEING REZONED TO SOMETHING ELSE WHERE THE SMALL AREA PLANS SUCH AS NORTH GRAND GATEWAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. 
          NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          UM, RECENT DEVELOPMENT OF CORPORATE CAMPUSES AND BUSINESS PARKS HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRIVERS FOR NEW INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          UH, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED ABOUT ST. 
          ELMO AUSTIN'S LEGACY, INDUSTRIAL CLUSTERS ARE UNDERGOING TRANSITION AND UNDEVELOPED INDUSTRIAL LAND ALONG ONE WAY FREE REFRAMED ROADS IS BEING TARGETED FOR GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. 
          AND OFTEN THESE ARE JUST PUT THERE, UH, REQUIRES THERE'S NO VERY, IF THERE IS TRANSIT, IT'S VERY IRREGULAR, IT DOES NOT HAVE FREQUENT HEADWAYS. 
          THERE'S VERY SELDOM PLACES TO WALK TO. 
          AND, UH, IT OFTEN REQUIRES A CAR TO GO GET ANYTHING YOU NEED AND MAY REQUIRE MULTIMODAL TRIP JUST TO GO GET A LOAF OF BREAD OR SOME MILK. 
          SO, UH, STAFF HAS BEEN RECOMMENDING AGAINST THOSE IN CERTAIN INSTANCES. 
          UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. 
          SO WE'VE DEVELOPED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND ONE OF THE FIRST ONES, AND IT KIND OF ECHOES SOME OF THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCERNS FROM THE PREVIOUS ZONING CASE, UH, MA IN THESE TRANSITIONING AREAS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, NEARBY DISTRICT PROPERTIES ARE NOT RISK TO FUTURE RESIDENTS. 
          AND IN THE, IN THE CASE OF THESE INDUSTRIAL CLUSTERS, IT'S ALMOST ALWAYS SOME FORM OF MULTI-FAMILY OR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, BECAUSE WHEN THESE TRANSITIONAL AREAS, YOU WERE FUNDAMENTALLY RETROFITTING AND REPURPOSING A WHOLE DISTRICT THAT WAS INTENTIONALLY PLANTED AND PAY FOR INDUSTRIAL USES AND NOT RESIDENTS. 
          SO IN THESE AREAS WHERE WE ARE SEEING, UH, TRANSITIONS, UH, AS NEW PROJECTS COME IN, THEY SHOULD BE, 
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UH, PARTICULARLY IF POSSIBLE, UH, SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS, BIKE LANES AND STORM WATER FACILITIES, OPEN SPACE, ET CETERA, TO ENSURE THAT THEY BECOME PEOPLE PLACES AS THEY ARE TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM THEIR HISTORIC HISTORICAL AND, UH, USE OF, UH, AS INDUSTRIAL SIDE. 
          AND, UH, ALSO AS THESE CONDITIONAL AREAS, AS PEOPLE MOVE INTO THEM, UH, THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL TENANTS SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED BY PEOPLE, FUND THEM AND SAY, HEY, HE COMING AND MOVING TO THE NEW SENSE, UH, THAT PLASTIC EXTRUDING PLANT WAS THERE WHEN YOU RENTED THAT APARTMENT. 
          SO, UH, THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE AND OPERATING IN GOOD FAITH, SO INDUSTRIAL USES SHOULDN'T BE PANELIZED. 
          NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          AND IF DECISIONS TO MAKE, TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USES AND INDUSTRIAL CLUSTERS, UH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ANY JOBS THAT MIGHT GET LOST SHOULD BE, UH, SOMEHOW SOME MECHANISM PUT IN PLACE TO PRESERVE THOSE JOBS, BECAUSE THOSE JOBS DO ARE BASICALLY MIDDLE SKILLED JOBS, WHICH REQUIRE MAYBE A TWO YEAR DEGREE AND CAN PROVIDE A LIVING MORE THAN A LIVING WAGE FOR, FOR FOLKS WHO ARE EMPLOYED IN THOSE BUSINESS SECTOR. 
          SO, UH, WE SHOULDN'T BE CHASING OUT, UH, OR TRYING TO, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING INDUSTRIAL USES AWAY THOSE MIDDLE-SKILL JOBS, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT A WAY TO PRESERVE THEM. 
          AND, UM, THEN THE LAST RECOMMENDATION IS POLICY SHOULD BE EXPLORED AS TO HOW TO INCORPORATE OR PRESERVE INDUSTRIAL USES IN NEW DEVELOPS IN TRANSITIONAL AREAS. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT PROBABLY WON'T BE YOUR LARGE-SCALE MANUFACTURING OR YOUR PLASTIC EXTRUSION OR THOSE TRADITIONAL NOISY, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE YOU ARE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT CREATES SMELLED, BUT AGAIN, IT MAY TRANSITION TO MAKING CUSTOM BICYCLES OR MAKING A CUSTOM FURNITURE OR MAKING CUSTOM PIECES FOR THE HIGH TECH INDUSTRY. 
          THOSE TYPES OF USES MIGHT BE THE AREA WHERE THESE TRANSITION TO, UH, SO THAT'S THE END OF MY PRESENTATION AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK. 
          AND I ALREADY SEE HYMNS RAISED, SO I WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN AND THEN COMMISSIONER KING. 
          WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY THAT MARK, IT'S JUST ME FOR THE GOOD STUDY AND A GOOD PRESENTATION. 
          AND THE TIMING WAS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UH, JUST SEVERAL THOUGHTS. 
          I, I LOOKED AT YOUR FIRST MAP OF WHERE EXISTING JOHNNY IS, AND I SAW HOW REALLY OUT OF DATE THE TERMINOLOGY IS IMPORTANT SOMATICS BECAUSE MOST OF OUR TELEPHONES WERE WRITTEN WHEN HE SAW THE INDUSTRIAL. 
          THERE YOU GO ALL THE WAY FROM THE STEEL BELCHING AND ALL THAT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT REALLY AWESOME. 
          EVEN HERE IN AUSTIN, WHERE YOU HEAR OF THE RANGE OF THE HIGH TECH WIDGETS COMPONENTS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, THE BILL AND DAM AND ALL THAT. 
          NOW WE'RE GETTING THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHICH IS THE MORE HEAVY DUTY STUFF I NOTICED THAT, UH, I PARTICULARLY ALWAYS LOOK WEST. 
          I KNOW WE SAY, UH, EAST, I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T EVEN LOOK EAST ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE THOUSAND PLUS ACRES PER TESLA IS SHOWING US INDUSTRIAL OR NOT. 
          BUT I DID LOOK WEST, BUT SAW THAT THE OLD SLUMBER SHAY SITE, WHICH WAS CONVERTED TO A COLLEGE COULD CORNEA LONG AGO IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST PIECE OF PLAYLISTS IN THE WEST. 
          AND IT'S SOMEWHAT MISLEADING BECAUSE IT'S REALLY NOT AN INDUSTRIAL SITE. 
          UH, IN FACT, UH, THE ONE THAT HE HAD IN THERE, THE NORTH, THE ONE 83, WHICH IS THE LTI, UH, RESEARCH AREA, UH, IS MORE OF AN OFFICE PARK TYPE SITE. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S REALLY ANY INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES IN THERE. 
          IT'S, UH, UH, IT'S MORE OF AN OFFICE TYPE COMPLEX. 
          SO I, I, I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT HE DID A GOOD JOB OF YOU'RE SAYING THE BIGGEST LOSS WAS THE NORTH BURNETT, UH, UH, DOMAIN CONVERSION, WHICH WAS THE OLD, UH, UH, IBM ANCILLARY TYPE USERS UP UP NORTH. 
          SO, SO WE REALLY NEEDED TO GET ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I THINK IT'S WHAT I TALKED ABOUT. 
          THE, UH, UM, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH SOME OF THAT, UM, I WON'T JUST DO IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE A COUPLE OF NOTES. 
          WELL, AND THOSE ARE NOT CRITICISM. 
          HONESTLY, I REALLY LIKED HOW, I GUESS HE REFERRED TO TAKING AN LA TYPE OF CATEGORIZATION BECAUSE THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, A TRANSITION. 
          AND I THINK WE'RE TRANSITIONING, UH, NOT ONLY BY TYPE BUT GEOGRAPHY, UH, 
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AND, UH, AND IT IS ALL OCCURRING. 
          AND A LOT OF IT, UH, UH, THE CONVERSION TO THE RESIDENTIAL, ESPECIALLY LONG CORRIDORS. 
          AND ESPECIALLY NOW BECAUSE OF THE PASSAGE OF THE, UH, TRANSPORTATION BOND YESTERDAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING FASTER AND FURTHER AND, AND ESTABLISHING NOTHER AND ALL OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE SOMETHING THAT'S, I GUESS WE NEED TO ADAPT THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP DOING WHAT MR. KING HAS TO BE DOING AT EVERY MEETING AND SAYING, I SEE YELLOW. 
          AND THEY WERE SAYING TO BRING IT IN MIND THAT THAT'S THE THING. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          STUDY MARK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, I, I, WE NEED TO DO MORE OF THOSE TYPES OF STUDIES TO GIVE US SOME FOUNDATION. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          AND I CAN'T TAKE ALL CREDIT FOR THIS. 
          MY, UH, STAFF THAT WE WORKED WITH WAS, UH, JESSE CUTIETTA, UH, JEFF ANGSTROM AND RACHEL TEPPER, AS WELL AS MYSELF. 
          SO IT WAS A REALLY A TEAM EFFORT. 
          AND I REALLY LIKE TO EXPRESS MY, APPRECIATE IT, THE FINE WORK THAT THEY DID. 
          ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE FIRST TWO MAPS, THE ONE SHOWING ALL THE ZONING, AND THEN THE ONE THAT CALLED OUT SPECIFICALLY, WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT INDUSTRIAL ZONED LAND. 
          AND THAT COULD BE, UH, WITH A BASE DISTRICT OF SOME FORM OF ZONING, L I M I IP OR WHATNOT. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT'S WHAT THESE MAPS ARE SHOWING. 
          THE OTHER THING THOUGH, THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE KIND OF CAME, CAME ACROSS WAS THE ISSUE OF, OF, UH, INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL GENTRIFICATION, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. 
          SO ONE OF THESE TRANSITIONAL AREAS, PARTICULARLY ST. 
          ELMO, YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT, UH, THAT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU BUY ROCKS, YOUR AGGREGATE, UH, AND OTHER PLACES. 
          UH, I THINK THINKING OF THE ONE IN FAR, NORTH FAR, NORTH AUSTIN, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO WELD BRANCH, THERE'S A WHOLE LITTLE AREA UP THERE AND IT'S, THERE'S LOTS OF LIKE TRADES OFFICES, YOU KNOW, UH, SOMEONE'S AN ELECTRICIAN, THEY'RE A PLUMBER. 
          UH, THIS IS WHERE THEY OFFICE, THIS IS WHERE THEY WAREHOUSE THEIR, THEIR GOODS AND THEIR SUPPLIES. 
          SO THERE'S ALSO A NEED FOR THOSE, UH, SKILLED TRADES PEOPLE TO HAVE OFFICES AND LOCATIONS WITHIN AUSTIN, SO THAT WE'RE NOT CHASING THEM OUT TO, UH, SEARCH IT OUT INTO THE COUNTY OR INTO OTHER COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, UH, INSTEAD OF THAT ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN COMMISSIONER KING IS THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          AND YES, I'LL ECHO COMMISSIONER DUNCAN'S, UH, COMPLIMENTS ABOUT THE STUDY AND THE REPORT. 
          UH, THANK YOU, STAFF. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. 
          UM, AND YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THE COMMENTS THAT YOU WERE MAKING, UH, JUST JUST A MINUTE AGO ABOUT THE TRANSITION AREAS, INTENSIFICATION AREAS OF PROTECTION AREAS, UH, FOR THIS, UH, THIS INDUSTRIAL ZONING, I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND I THINK THAT COULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL IN OUR EARLIER CASE TONIGHT, HAD WE HAD SOME SMALLER YOU'RE PLANNING TO REFER BACK TO FOR THIS AREA TO TELL US, IS THIS ONE, OR IS THIS AN AREA THAT'S TRANSITIONING TO WE'RE FROM INDUSTRIAL? YOU KNOW, OR IS IT AN AREA FOR INTENSIFYING, INDUSTRIAL IS AN AREA FOR, UH, PROTECTING, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO THAT, THAT I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND SO I'M JUST, AGAIN, ADVOCATING FOR SMALL AREA PLANNING AND HOPEFULLY GET SOME FUNDING FOR THAT. 
          AND I, I KNOW STAFF IS, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTIVE OF THAT, THAT IDEA OF HAVING SMALLER, YOUR PLAN. 
          SO I KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M SPEAKING TO THE CHOIR HERE, I THINK, BUT THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. 
          AND THE OTHER THING I WONDER IS AS YOU DO THIS PRESENTATION, MAYBE FOR THE SMALL AREA PLANNING COMMITTEE, AND MAYBE FOR THE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION POTENTIALLY, UH, THAT, THAT YOU WOULD MAYBE INCORPORATE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON POLICIES, UH, CITY POLICIES RELATING TO EQUITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND HOW THOSE POLICIES KIND OF FOLD INTO, UH, THE AREAS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED FOR PROTECTION OR AREAS FOR INTENSIFICATION, OR IS FOR TRANSITION. 
          I THINK THAT'D BE VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO GET THOSE INCORPORATED INTO THIS, THIS VERY BROAD PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU GAVE TO US TONIGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER KING, UH, IS THERE IS AN, UH, A RESOLUTION ON THINGS ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA REGARDING DOING SOME TYPE OF HIGH-LEVEL PLANNING FOR THE FIVE CENSUS TRACKS THAT SURROUND THE COLONY PARK, UH, REDEVELOPMENT SITE. 
          SO THE PROJECT THAT YOU, THAT, UH, CASEY YOU HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT WOULD FALL WITHIN THAT. 
          ADDITIONALLY HERE, THE CITY, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH CAP METRO, THEY RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION TO THAT WAS DO A HE'S OWNING ANALYSIS FOR THE GREEN LINE PROPOSED STATION AREAS OF WHICH ONE 
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OF THOSE, UH, FALLS RIGHT AT BASICALLY THE RAILROAD TRACKS, 90 MORRISON LOYOLA LANE. 
          SO, UH, THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AND THERE IS A STUDY THAT IS GOING THROUGH INTERNAL REVIEW RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS AGAIN DONE AS PART OF THE CITY'S, UH, CONTRIBUTION TO THE FEDERAL GRANT. 
          SO THERE IS THAT, AND EVENTUALLY THAT WILL BE RELEASED. 
          IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME OF HAVING INTERNAL REVIEW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP A POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU RECENTLY, THE CITY HAS JUST DONE, UH, UH, UH, DEVELOPED AN AGENT OF CHANGE POLICY AS IT RELATES TO, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, LIVE MUSIC VENUES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          AND, UH, IN, IN NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          SO JUST AS YOU STATED EARLIER, WHAT WAS THERE FIRST, IF THE CLUB WAS THERE FIRST AND THE RESIDENTS MOVING IN, HAVE TO NEED TO ADAPT TO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THE RESIDENTS WERE THERE FIRST, THEN THE OTHER USERS NEED TO ADAPT TO THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT AGENT OF CHANGE PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO FOLD INTO THIS, UH, THIS POLICY REGARDING INDUSTRIAL USES AND WHICH AREAS WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT FOR PROTECTION INTENSIFICATION AND FOR TRANSITION. 
          SO I THINK THAT AGENT OF CHANGE IS A GOOD KIND OF MODEL TO LOOK AT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK. 
          ANY OTHER CO OH, I ACTUALLY, I SEE SOME MORE HANDS GOING UP. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER GARY, UM, AND I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          UM, DDO ON THE, THANKS FROM THE PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS IN REGARDS TO THE WORK THAT THE STAFF HAVE DONE ON THIS, SO REALLY APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, I HAVE QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO, HAS THIS STUDY BEEN REBURIED OR HAS THE EQUITY OFFICE BEING INVOLVED IN THIS, IN THE, IN THE STUDY? THAT'S ONE QUESTION THEN I HAVE SOME MORE, UH, NO, THEY WERE NOT THE PURPOSE OF THIS STUDY WASN'T REALLY TO ADDRESS EQUITY OR ANYTHING. 
          THE FOCUS WAS TO LOOK AT, ARE WE LOSING INDUSTRIAL ZONE LAND? AND WITH THAT, THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING AS MIDDLE SKILLED JOBS. 
          AND, UH, SO THAT WAS REALLY THE FOCUS OF IT. 
          I MEAN, THERE IS A SECTION THAT SAY, I DIDN'T GO OVER IN THIS PRESENTATION ABOUT, UH, THE AUSTIN WORKFORCE STUDY FROM SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          AND, UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE THOUGHT AGAIN, WE, WE THOUGHT IT IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP MIDDLE-SKILL JOBS WITHIN THE CITY. 
          SO AUSTINITES, WOULDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY TO, TO GET, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY GOOD PAYING JOBS, BUT THEY DON'T REQUIRE A FOUR YEAR DEGREE SYMPATHY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS STUDY UP, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE REPORT. 
          THEY NEED TO SAY THAT, UM, THERE WAS, THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO SECURE MIDDLE SKILL JOBS BY 2021. 
          WHERE ARE WE IN REGARDS TO THAT PROPOSAL? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU VERY CLEARLY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU BROUGHT UP THE STUDY AND IN, ON, ON THE REPORT ON PAGE 22, IT TALKS ABOUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT IT WOULD BE SECURING MIDDLE-SKILL JOBS BY 2021 HAS THAT, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE WERE JUST REFERENCING THAT STUDY THAT WAS NOT CONDUCTED BY US. 
          IT WAS, UH, ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, BUT IT WAS PROBABLY EDD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT WHO TO PLAY THE LEAD ON THAT. 
          SO WE WERE JUST REFERENCING IT AS AN ADOPTED CITY POLICY THAT WE NEED, WE SHOULD LOOK AT IN REGARDS TO THESE INDUSTRIAL ZONE PROPERTIES. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND HAS THIS STUDY BEEN PRESENTED TO OTHER BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS OR TO ANY CONTACT TEAMS? AND IF SO, WHAT FEEDBACK OR WHAT RESPONSE DID YOU GET? UH, WE, UH, PRESENTED IT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, UH, BUT, AND THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WATCHED, THEY SAW THE PRESENTATION AND I THINK THEY SAID THEIR RESPONSE WAS, SO WHAT DO WE DO WITH, AND MY REPLY WAS, THIS IS JUST A STAFF STUDY. 
          WE SAW THIS ISSUE AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED, WE FELT WE NEED TO BRING TO SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION. 
          SO THAT WAS REALLY, IT'S THE ONLY OTHER, IT'S THE ONLY OTHER BOARD OF COMMISSION THAT WE PRESENTED TO, OR ANYONE ELSE, JUST A PC NOW, THE ZONING AND PLANNING. 
          UM, AND JUST TO SHARE, I GUESS I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING, UM, BECAUSE HE BROUGHT UP THE APARTMENTS THAT ARE IN 
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SOUTHEAST AUSTIN AND ACTUALLY I'M INVOLVED WITH THE CONTACT TEAM AND THE CONTACTING WHEN THE DEVELOPER APPROACHED THE CONTACT TEAM ABOUT THAT PROPOSAL. 
          UM, WHAT WORRIES ME ABOUT THIS REPORT IS THAT HE TALKS ABOUT FUTURE, BUT HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT CURRENT CONDITIONS RIGHT NOW IN SOUTHEAST SAWSAN YOU HAVE, UM, INDUSTRIAL ZONING, VERY IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO WE'VE GOT CERTAIN SURFACE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT I THINK COULD BE WORKED ON TO CREATE A SAFER ENVIRONMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY, FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WHERE THAT IS NOT BEING ADDRESSED. 
          SO THE CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, AND THIS IS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE DONE TO US. 
          SO THE CONTACT TEAM DID SUPPORT THE DEVELOPER'S PROPOSAL TO PUT IN GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS ALSO BECAUSE BEHIND THE PROPERTY AT THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY WAS A CRITICAL ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES AND, UM, CREEK. 
          AND SO OUR THOUGHT WAS, WELL, IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVING APARTMENTS WOULD PRESERVE AND FAR MENTALLY BETTER PROTECT THAT ENVIRONMENT. 
          PLUS WE CREATE PARKS SPACE, UM, AND BE MORE PROTECTIVE AS OPPOSED TO INDUSTRIAL ZONING. 
          SO JUST TO SHARE WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH A PROPOSAL, THEN THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO JUMP ON THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LACKING IN PARTS, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, GREEN SPACE IN OUR AREA. 
          UM, SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO SHARE THIS CONCERNS WITH THE CONTACT TEAMS AND WORK WITH THEM. 
          UM, THIS IS AN EXCELLENT TOOL, AND I THINK IT COULD BE ELEVATED IN BENEFIT CURRENT RESIDENTS AND NOT JUST WORK TOWARDS THE FEATURE. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT CURRENT SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT COULD BE JOINTLY, UM, UH, RESOLVED WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          SPECIFICALLY, THE ZONING CASES WERE MOSTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BEN WHITE, NOT THE CASE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING, UH, PARTICULARLY AROUND CRACK THERE AND ALL OF THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BEN WHITE, NOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          SO THAT WAS WHERE WE FIRST NOTICED THIS PHENOMENON. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAD A SIMILAR CASE IN COASTAL, MAINE WHITE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND COMMISSIONER RAY. 
          UM, LIKE SEVERAL OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS REALLY WANT TO APPLY THIS WORK. 
          UM, I THINK IN GENERAL, THERE'S A REAL LACK OF ATTENTION TO INDUSTRIAL REDEVELOPMENT IN THE PLANNING PRACTICE. 
          SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE SHINING A LIGHT ON THIS AND THANKS SO MUCH TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM. 
          UM, AND THEN THAT LACK OF ATTENTION REALLY DOESN'T CORRESPOND TO CURRENT CULTURAL AND ECONOMIC TRENDS. 
          RIGHT NOW, WE SEE REALLY A RISE IN URBAN MANUFACTURING, AND THEN WE SEE A STRONG APPETITE, UM, FOR THINGS LIKE SMALL SCALE CRAFT PRODUCTION AND MAKERSPACES, UM, ON THE DEVELOPMENT FRONT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S CALLS FOR ADVANCED MANUFACTURING EVERYWHERE. 
          SO I GUESS WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS IN YOUR STUDY, WHEN YOU CONSULTED WITH OTHER PEER CITIES WHO WAS DOING A GOOD JOB OF ACCOMMODATING THESE TYPES OF TRENDS, UM, AND HOW CAN WE LEARN FROM THAT? UM, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS ON THE ADVENT OF REVISION STORE OWNED CODE, WHAT COULD WE DO TO ACCOMMODATE KIND OF THE CHANGING BASE OF MANUFACTURING AND WHAT THAT COULD MEAN FOR AUSTIN? WELL, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL CITIES THAT THE TYPOLOGIES ACTUALLY CAME FROM, UH, LOS ANGELES AND PHILADELPHIA PORTLAND HAD AN INTERESTING, UH, APPROACH. 
          AND IF I'M, IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE READ THIS STUDY, SO FORGIVE ME, I DON'T GET IT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          THEN WE WOULD PUT THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THE MAJOR ROADWAYS IN THESE INDUSTRIAL AREAS AND TO THE REAR OF THAT WOULD BE, OR TO THE BACK WOULD BE WHERE THE INDUSTRIAL USES WERE. 
          THAT WAS ONE APPROACH, UH, AND SEE SAN FRANCISCO, UH, HAD A PROBLEM JUST BECAUSE OF THE SAME LAND COSTS THERE, BUT THEY WERE HAVING PROBLEMS RETAINING THESE LEGACY, UH, USES IN COMMERCIAL USES, UH, AND, UH, BASICALLY FOUND THERE WASN'T A LOT OF HOOD SUCCESS HERE AND THERE IN SAN FRANCISCO, THE PROBLEM WAS PEOPLE WERE CHEATING. 
          IT WAS AWFUL HARD TO CATCH THEM. 
          YOU WOULD SAY YOU WOULD GO, NO, NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL USE IN THE SAME SITE AND OFFICE USE, AND THEN JUST RENT IT OUT TO SOME HIGH TECH FIRM. 
          SO UNLESS SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, CALLED HIM IN AND, AND REPORTED HIM THAT WOULD JUST CONTINUE TO COACH, UH, I THINK THE PORTLAND, I DID LIKE THAT IDEA. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE, BUT IN VANCOUVER THINKING THE FALSE CREEK DISTRICT, WHICH 
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IS A FORMER INDUSTRIAL AREA, IT KIND OF TRANSITIONED TO, AGAIN, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED MORE OF A, UH, MAKE HER SPEAK, MEGHAN MAKER-SPACE AND MORE CRAFTSMAN OR MORE CUSTOMED, FINE TUNED MANUFACTURING, UH, AMONGST RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO YOU DIDN'T FIND A LOT OF GOOD IN PERFECT EXAMPLES THAT MAY BE MAPPED ON TO AUSTIN, BUT, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE, THE, THE PORTLAND ONE THAT STRUCK ME AND THAT'S SCENE IT'S TO RESCIND THE REPORT. 
          AGAIN, I HAVEN'T READ IT IN A SEVERAL MONTHS. 
          SO AFTER YOU WRITE SOMETHING AND WORK ON ANYTHING, IT'S HELPFUL, HARD TO READ IT AGAIN. 
          SO THAT'S THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER BRAY HAS A QUESTION OR COMMENT. 
          UM, I WAS WONDERING, HAVE YOU, UH, TYPES OF INDUSTRIAL USES, UM, LIKE ARE COMPATIBLE NEXT TO RESIDENTIAL AND WHAT ARE I, I THINK THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE JOBS, BUT ALSO, I THINK ONE OF THE BASE THINGS FOR ZONING IS LIKE, YOU DON'T WANT YOUR SMOKE STACK RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE THE FUNDAMENTALLY, HOW ZONING KIND OF STARTED WAS IN MANY CASES, WAS THAT, AND I THINK IT'S LEGITIMATELY SEPARATING RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. 
          LIKE, I THINK ALMOST EVERYONE AGREES ON THAT. 
          WE MIGHT NOT AGREE ON OTHER THINGS LIKE WHETHER MULTIFAMILY IS BAD WHEN IT'S NEXT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I THINK NO ONE WANTS TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO NEED JOBS. 
          WE ALSO, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE MORE WALKABLE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE LIGHTLY, THAT AREN'T NOISY OR A NUISANCE TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, UM, CAN WE ENCOURAGE THAT KIND OF INTEGRATION WITHOUT HAVING ZONING THAT MIGHT ALLOW ONCE THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LIKE HAVE AREAS THAT'S LIKE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL WHERE WE CAN HAVE THINGS THAT ARE, WOULD BE A NUISANCE, BUT MAYBE A LOT MORE AREAS TO HAVE LIGHT TESTS OR RESIDENTIAL THAT AREN'T INDUCES TO, UH, TO THEIR NEIGHBORS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I'M GOING TO KIND OF LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY ANY SPECIFIC USE. 
          I WOULD LOOK AT THE EXTERNALITIES THAT THEY GENERATE. 
          UH, DO THEY GENERATE A LOT OF TRUCK TRAFFIC? DO THEY, ARE THEY SMELLY? ARE THERE FUMES COMING OUT? DO THEY STORE TOXIC IN LARGE, LARGE AMOUNTS OF TOXIC IMPLANTABLE MATERIALS? SO THAT USE REQUIRE THAT, UH, DOES IT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT, UH, DELIVERIES, ARE THERE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE TRUCKS LEAVING? YOU KNOW, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS SOUND VIBRATION, THOSE TYPES OF USES, UH, THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE LOTS OF THE, THOSE EXTERNALITIES, I THINK WOULD BE THE ONES IS HOW I WOULD APPROACH LOOKING AT, UH, CREATING, UH, A TRANSITIONAL OR A BUFFERING ZONING DISTRICT AS YOU WORK, IF YOU WOULD. 
          UH, SO WHATEVER THOSE USES ARE HARD THAT MEET THOSE CHARACTERISTICS WOULD BE, UH, I THINK A GOOD TRANSITION BETWEEN THE SAY RESIDENTIAL, THAT TYPE OF USE TO SOMETHING EVEN MAYBE MORE INTENSIVE, A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE AN, UH, MY APOLOGIES, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, INDUSTRIAL ZONING VERY WELL, BUT DO WE HAVE SONY THAT KIND OF FITS THAT DISTINCTION THERE BETWEEN LIKE RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBLE AND NOT RESIDENTIAL COMPATIBLE, YOU KNOW, ZONING? NO, NOT THE MOUNTAIN. 
          I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE THOUGH. 
          YOU COULD, YOU COULD ARGUE THAT SOME OF THESE LARGE FAB FACILITIES WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SMELLS AND VIBRATIONS, OR, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TRASH TRUCK TRAFFIC, I MEAN, YOU HAVE AN AMD RIGHT THERE OFF OF OLD TOUR, SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL, UH, SO MEAN THERE ARE USES, BUT THAT'S A PRETTY LARGE CAMPUS USE. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD JUST, MY THOUGHT IN GENERAL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, UNFORTUNATELY, SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THAT STUFF, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT DISTINCTION WE RUN INTO, THEN IT BECOMES BEFORE BOARDS OR COMMISSIONS, OR THERE'S NOT AS MUCH OF A SYSTEMIC WAY TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          AND IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO REGULATE SPECIFIC USES ON THE DIOCESE IN A LOT OF CASES. 
          AND I, AND I DON'T LIKE THAT WHEN I FEEL LIKE WE COULD HAVE MORE ZONING CATEGORY. 
          I MEAN, I HATE HAVING WORDS ONLY KIND OF FOR SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE TOO MANY, BUT THE, IN THIS CASE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WORTHWHILE DISTINCTION TO MAKE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE LAND USE TOAD IS HAVING A RESIDENTIAL CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, A SERIES OF LISTS OF THINGS. 
          WE THINK OUR RESIDENTS ARE COMPATIBLE AND STUDENTS OF THE ART AND THAT WE CAN SELL IN THAT WAY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CASE, WE HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE IT WAS THE, UM, THAT 
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KITCHEN THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE WAYS WE DIDN'T WANT IT TO USE. 
          LIKE, CAN WE JUST HAVE A ZONING? THAT'S LIKE A KITCHEN, YOU KNOW, KITCHEN AND SIMILAR TYPES OF THINGS THAT NO ONE'S GOING TO OBJECT TO BE NEXT DOOR TO. 
          I DON'T A WHILE SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT IT, I THINK THE COV REVISE CODE THE BATHROOM, I'VE HAD SOME SORT OF ZONE THAT WAS GOING THAT WAY. 
          I HAVE, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE LOOKED AT THAT, BUT I THINK THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT'S AKIN TO WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          AND IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK. 
          THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. 
          AND I'LL JUST ASK ONE, UH, ONE MORE QUESTION AND THAT IS JUST, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY PLANS TO, UM, YOU SAID YOU DID IT FOR STUDY, JUST SORT OF TO KNOW ARE, HOW FAR ALONG ARE YOU IN IMPLEMENTING YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? OH, NO. 
          CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NO POLICY. 
          WE HAVEN'T BEEN DIRECTED TO DO ANYTHING. 
          THIS IS A STUDY WE CAME UP WITH AND BECAUSE OF THE ONGOING LAWSUIT CODE AMENDMENTS ARE KIND OF ON, ON ICE RIGHT NOW. 
          WELL, POINTS TO YOU FOR DOING THIS. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. 
          SO, AND I DON'T SEE ANY MORE LITTLE HANDS, SO WE CAN GO ONTO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MARK. 
          AND THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          A GOOD EVENING. 
          YOU TOO. 
          AND OUR 
          [D1. Discussion and adoption of the Zoning and Platting Commission meeting schedule for calendar year 2021.]
NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS I BELIEVE IT IS OUR CALENDAR AND, UM, YES, D ONE DISCUSSION AND ADOPTION OF THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SCHEDULED FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2021. 
          AND THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH ANDREW FOR PREPARING THAT. 
          AND, UM, AND IT WAS IN, IT WAS TO US. 
          AND DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COMMISSIONER KING? UH, YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU HAD SENT SOME INFORMATION MAYBE ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, I HAD SUGGESTED THAT OUR NEXT YEAR THAT OUR, UH, MEETING, UH, FOR NOVEMBER, I GUESS THE FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER, WHICH WOULD BE THE, I GUESS IT'D BE THE NOVEMBER 1ST, 2021 THAT, THAT MEETING, I'M SORRY, THE SECOND, UH, NOVEMBER THE SECOND THAT THAT MEETING BE MOVED TO THE THIRD. 
          LIKE WE DID JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS MEETING THAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT, UM, AND THAT MAYBE WE IT'S, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE LIKE NATIONWIDE ELECTIONS OR HE JUST, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, BY AN OFF YEAR FOR AT LEAST KINDS OF ELECTIONS. 
          SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT AGAIN NEXT YEAR OR NOT. 
          I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT BACK OUT. 
          IT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION NATIONAL ELECTION AS I, AS I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I WOULD, I WOULD JUST PROPOSE THAT WE JUST KEEP OUR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 2ND AND I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I LOOKED IT UP AND HISTORICALLY THE YEAR AFTER PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION MAY HAVE A BOND ISSUE, MAY HAVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT, MAY HAVE SOMETHING, BUT IT'S NOT A BIG, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO, UM, ELECTION WATCH PARTIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO, YES. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. 
          I'M STILL WILLING TO MOVE IT IF THAT'S STILL THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 
          AND I THINK THERE WAS THE POINT ABOUT, UH, UH, THE, UH, UH, LET'S SEE, I RAISED A POINT ABOUT THE MARCH 16TH MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD BE DURING, UM, UH, AISD SPRING BREAK, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING FOR SPRING BREAK FOR SOME OF US. 
          AND, UM, SO I JUST THREW IT OUT THERE JUST TO THROW IT OUT THERE, BUT, UM, I'M HAPPY TO, AND SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST NEXT YEAR IS GOING TO BE ONLINE, IS VIRTUAL AND THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED SELLING TICKETS FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN COMPETITION WITH TRAFFIC FOR SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST. 
          AND WHO KNOWS, WE MAY BE STILL LOOKING AT LITTLE SQUARES OF EACH OTHER. 
          SO, UM, I, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND IF NOT, WE CAN JUST MOVE TO ADOPT OUR CALENDAR COMMISSIONER KING. 
          I SO MOVE THAT WE ADOPT OUR CALENDAR WITHOUT ANY CHANGES. 
          THAT'S THE REGULAR FIRST TO FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAYS OF THE MONTH. 
          IS THERE A SECOND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS. 
          OOH, UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY, GREAT THEN THANK YOU AGAIN, ANDREW, FOR DOING THAT FOR PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GARY IS, I DON'T KNOW. 
          SHE VOTED ON THE SIDE OF HIM OR NOT. 
          I JUST SAW THE NAME BUNKER. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER JANE, ARE YOU THERE? 
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YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          SHE IS. 
          UM, I CAN NOT TELL COMMISSIONER DINKLER UM, ANDREW, CAN YOU TRY EMAILING HER? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO EMAIL HER OR I COULD EMAIL HER, I GUESS, AND JUST SEE IF SHE REALIZES THAT SHE'S NOT ON. 
          AND, AND SO, AND I'VE GOT MY EMAIL PULLED UP HERE TOO. 
          THE REASON I USE TWO COMPUTERS AND, UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF SHE'S EVEN PAYING ATTENTION TO IT. 
          SO, UM, WHY, I DON'T THINK IT REALLY MATTERS BECAUSE WE DID PASS THAT. 
          AND THEN NEXT THOUGH, 
          [E2. Establish a Working Group tasked with proposing recommendations regarding development within the Onion Creek Watershed. Sponsors: Commissioners Aguirre and King]
IT COULD MATTER BECAUSE WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER THEN NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS FOR, UH, THE WORKING GROUP. 
          UH, SO, AND I'LL READ THAT, UM, ACTUALLY  IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING MATTERS RELATED TO ANY PROPOSED PROVISION REVISIONS IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, UM, COMMISSIONER DUNKIN. 
          DO YOU WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT? OR WE'LL SKIP THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          EASY TO ESTABLISH A WORKING GROUP TASKED WITH PROPOSING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ONION CREEK, WATERSHED SPONSORS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, GARY AND KING. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO, UM, SO, AND SO COMMISSIONER GARY, I WILL HAND THAT OVER TO YOU FOR PUTTING TOGETHER THE GROUP. 
          SO I THINK MAKE SOME OF WHAT WE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED LAST TIME. 
          I THINK ONE AREA THAT'S NEGLECTED IS THE, UM, AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING CAUSE I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, THE PRESENTATION IN REFERENCE TO THE SNACK INCREASING, WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER CREEKS IN THE AREA IN AUSTIN. 
          UM, IF THE TWO THAT CAME UP PROBABLY LACKING, UM, HAVING EQUAL ATTENTION, IT PROBABLY MERITS EVEN MORE, MUCH MORE AWESOME. 
          MORE ATTENTION IS THE, UM, LOCALIZED FLOODING. 
          UM, SO I KNOW UPPER ONION CREEK IF SUSTAINED LOCALIZED FLOODING, NOT JUST CREEK FLOODING, BUT ALSO LOCALIZED FLOODING BECAUSE OF THE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE WAS INADEQUATE TOO. 
          UH, SO OF COURSE WITH THE RAIN BOMB THAT WE GOT, IT CREATED LOCAL, LESS FLOODING. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WATERSHED HAS A SUPPORT AND THAT THAT ISSUE STAYS ON THE RADAR. 
          SO THAT'S, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT JUST ONION CREEK. 
          I KNOW THERE'S OTHER DISTRICTS IN AUSTIN THAT, YOU KNOW, SUSTAIN THAT KIND OF DAMAGE WHERE YOU HAVE LOCALIZED FLOODING. 
          SO ANYBODY THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO HELP OUT AND NOT THINKING COMMISSIONER KING WAS STILL WILLING TO WORK, WORK ON THIS. 
          CAUSE I KNOW OF COURSE HIS DISTRICT SUSTAINS  ON THE ONION CREEK WATER SHIFTS. 
          SO I KNOW THEY SUSTAINED THAT DAMAGE ON THE LOCAL SLANG. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER GEAR WITH YOU ON THAT, ON THAT WORK GROUP. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO JOIN YOU ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER IS THAT THE WORKING GROUP, ANYBODY ELSE, AND THIS IS WHERE CAN'T CALL UP  IS, UM, IF SHE'S INTERESTED BECAUSE WE REALLY DO NEED TO PUT TOGETHER THE WORKS WHILE WE'RE MEETING, UM, DURING OUR MEETING. 
          AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SENDING COMMISSIONER EMAIL. 
          SO COMMISSIONER DANCLER, CAN YOU HEAR US? AND IF NOT THEN YES. 
          COMMISSIONER KING. 
          AS I RECALL FROM OUR LAST MEETING, I THINK COMMISSIONER DINKLER DID EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN JOINING THIS WORK GROUP NOW, BUT WE COULDN'T CREATE IT AT OUR LAST MEETING. 
          I RECALL THAT SHE DID SPEAK UP AND SAY THAT SHE WAS INTERESTED IN JOINING US, NOT CANCER. 
          OBVIOUSLY I, YOU KNOW, SHE HAS TO SAY THAT HERSELF, BUT IF THAT HELPS AND JUST MAYBE WE COULD PUT HER ON THE, ON THE GROUP AND IF SHE DOESN'T WANT TO, WE CAN TAKE HER OFF. 
          THEY COULD CALL HER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, LET'S SEE. 
          I COULD TRY CALLING BACK. 
          YOU CAN SPEAK TO YOUR COMPUTER. 
          SURE. 
          LET'S SAY, HEY, HEY, HI, YOUR VIDEO. 
          THIS IS JOLENE. 
          YOUR VIDEO IS NOT ON COMMISSIONER DANCLER AND 
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SO, OR RIGHT NOW I AM WATCHING. 
          OKAY. 
          NO AUDIO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THEN I WILL PRETEND THAT WE W WE DO HAVE YOUR AUDIO NOW, CAUSE I HAVE YOU ON SPEAKER PHONE. 
          AND SO I THINK THIS LEGALLY WORKS. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN THE WORKING GROUP FOR THE, UM, UH, ONION CREEK, UH, ESTABLISH A WORKING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE ONION CREEK WATERSHED. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          AND THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA. 
          COMMISSIONER BRAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COMMISSIONER DANCLER HAS SAID YES, AND WE HAVE IT HERE ON LITTLE, UM, SPEAKERPHONE. 
          AND SO ANYBODY ELSE WISHES TO JOIN AND, UM, IF NOT, I'LL JUST KEEP YOU HERE AND YOU CAN SPEAK AS YOU WANT. 
          UM, ANY OTHER, AND IF NOT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THIS IS NOT JUST SPECIFIC TO ANY CREEK. 
          OTHER PARTS OF AUSTIN ARE IMPACTED BY LOCAL LESLIE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO STOP THAT THAT'S WHAT'S SO WHEN I READ THAT, BUT THAT COULD WORK AND, UM, AND YOU CAN DO YOUR, AND SO THAT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD IDEA FOR A WORKING GROUP. 
          AND, UM, SO WE HAVE IT COMMISSIONERS, UH, GEARY, COMMISSIONER KING AND COMMISSIONER DINKLER AND THANK YOU ALL FOR VOLUNTEERING. 
          AND, UM, THAT IS THAT. 
          AND I DO, WE DO, WE DON'T NEED TO DO A VOTE ON THAT OR ANYTHING. 
          AND SO F 
          [F. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, UM, ANY PROPOSED FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS FOR YOUR Y'ALL AND IF NOT, YES. 
          WAS THERE A MOTION AND A VOTE TO ESTABLISH THE WORKING GROUP? ALL WE DO NEED TO DO THAT. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO, UM, ESTABLISH A WORKING GROUP, A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GARY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER KING, UM, WITH THOSE MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER GEARY, COMMISSIONER KING AND COMMISSIONER. 
          DANCLER ALL THOSE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          UM, AND COMMISSIONER KING, COMMISSIONER KING, ARE YOU RAISING YOUR HAND? OKAY. 
          IT'S UNANIMOUS AND COMMITTED. 
          IF YOU HEARD THAT COMMISSIONER DENTLER IS SAYING AYE, AND THAT IS SO IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY. 
          AND THEN WE WILL GO ON TO G COMMITTEE REPORTS AND WORKING GROUPS AND, UM, CODES AND ORDINANCES JOINT COMMITTEE. 
          HAS THAT MET ANY NEWS? OKAY. 
          NO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN JOINT COMMITTEE. 
          HAS THAT MET? UH, I SEE NO AND SMALL AREA PLANNING JOINT COMMITTEE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN IN THAT CASE, WE ARE ADJOURNED AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR A GOOD MEETING AND COMMISSIONER COSTA. 
          CUTE CAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
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