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          [Determination of Quorum / Meeting Called to Order]
          [00:00:03]
          MEETING NOVEMBER 10TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER IT IS SIX OH TWO OH SIX OH THREE. 
          AND, UM, JUST QUICKLY, I'M JUST GOING TO READ OFF WHO I'M SEEING HERE ON THIS SCREEN IS KIND OF ROLL CALLS. 
          SO WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ANDERSON, COMMISSIONER IZAR COMMISSIONER CONLEY, COMMISSIONER FLORES, COMMISSIONER HANDFUL, UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAW, LET'S SAY, UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA AND COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WERE, UH, PICKED THAT WAS EVERYBODY HERE AT THE MOMENT WE ARE MISSING, UH, COMMISSIONER SEGER AND, UH, UM, PERHAPS WE'RE MISSING A COMMISSIONER YANEZ POLITO, BUT MAYBE SHE'LL JOIN US IN A BIT. 
          SO, UM, REAL QUICK, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO, UM, VICE CHAIR, TENFOLD, JUST TO MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT ON ONE OF OUR EX OFFICIO MEMBERS. 
          I ASSUME WE GOT, I CAN HEAR AN ECHO, SORRY. 
          UH, WE HAVE AN EMAIL OR, UM, COMMISSIONER TYKES SEND AN EMAIL SAYING THAT SHE IS COMING OFF OF THE AISD BOARD AND, UM, AS OF DECEMBER 7TH AND SO SHE WILL NOT BE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION ANYMORE. 
          AND SO, UM, THE TRUSTEES, UH, SHE'S GOING TO LET THE TRUSTEES REMAINING ON THE BOARD UNDERSTAND THAT THAT POSITION NEEDS TO BE FILLED. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, JUST, UH, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR OTHER EX-OFFICIO MEMBER WHO I DON'T SEE OUT HERE ON THE SCREEN TODAY. 
          UM, UH, DON LAYTON BIRTWELL BURWELL. 
          SO, UH, HE IS, UH, JUST AT THIS MOMENT, NOT PRESENT EITHER. 
          UM, SO MOVING INTO JUST QUICK REMINDERS, UH, HOPE YOU ALL HAVE YOUR YELLOW, UH, GREEN AND RED ITEMS FOR VOTING, UM, AND REMAIN MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING, RAISE YOUR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED AND YEAH, GET ME VERBALLY IF I'M NOT SEEING YOU IT'S, UH, BECAUSE IT'S LOOKING AT YOU ON THE SCREEN, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO TELL WHO'S GOT THEIR HAND RAISED. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR PARTICIPANTS, UH, OUT THERE, UH, REMEMBER STAR SIX TO UNMUTE AND, UM, IF YOUR ITEM IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE. 
          UH, YOU'LL GET AN EMAIL ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM WHEN WE, UH, TAKE UP YOUR ITEM. 
          AND, UM, UH, 
          [Reading of the Agenda]
SO WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WE TYPICALLY DO. 
          THIS IS KIND OF VERY WELL. 
          I GET TO TALK FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UM, SO, UH, GOING THROUGH THE, UH, STAFF HAS PULLED UP THE AGENDA HERE. 
          UH, THE FIRST SIGN OF CONSENT IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. 
          DID ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY, UH, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? ALL RIGHT, DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT, UH, OR THE AGENDA AND READ THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, UH, THIS IS A SECTION B AND B. 
          ONE IS A PLAN AMENDMENT, UH, NPA TWO ZERO TWO ZERO ZERO ZERO ONE SIX.ZERO THREE AT 1135 GUNTER STREET. 
          AND, UM, THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          IT IS PULLED FOR DISCUSSION, UM, AND THE COMPANION ITEM B TO A C 14 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO EIGHT THREE, UH, ALSO 1135 GUNTER STREET, UM, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, UH, IT'S, WE'VE GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, UH, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE REQUEST. 
          UH, STAFF RECOMMEND CSM USI, O N P. 
          AND, UM, THE APPLICANT IS RECOMMENDING CSM, U V AND P. 
          SO WE'LL BE DISCUSSING THOSE TWO ITEMS TOGETHER. 
          UM, ITEM B3, ALSO A DISCUSSION ITEM C 14 DASH 2020 DASH OH ONE OH NINE DEBT, UM, AT FOUR 11 RANDOM LANE. 
          AND THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND IT'S, UH, LOC O N P TO L O C O N T. 
          AND WE'RE TRYING TO, 
          [00:05:01]
UH, APPLICANT WISHES TO CHANGE, UH, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE ZONING ON THAT CASE. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          WELL, WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY WANTING TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM. 
          SO, UH, ITEM D FOUR, UM, WHICH, UH, I'M GOING TO GIVE US SOME FOLKS HERE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO BEFORE WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, THAT I, WE ARE OFFERING THIS FOR CONSENT. 
          UH THAT'S UM, C 14 2020 ZERO ZERO NINE SIX AND THREE SEVEN ZERO SEVEN SOUTH SECOND STREET, UH, STAFF RECOMMENDING SHE O M U. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE LAST, I SAID, I'LL GIVE US SOME COMMISSIONERS, A CHANCE TO, UH, TO OFFER SOME COMMENTS ON THAT IN A BIT. 
          UM, C UH, I'M SORRY, B FIVE SITE PLAN, ENVIRONMENTAL BEARING SOLELY S P 2020 ZERO ZERO NINE THREE D S. 
          AND ONE, ONE, ONE TWO WEST ANDY STREET. 
          UH, THIS IS A CONSENT ITEM, UH, RECOMMEND APPROVED STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE VARIANCE REQUESTS WITH CONDITIONS, UH, B6 FINAL PLAT, AND A PRELIMINARY PLAN C EIGHT DASH 2018 DASH ZERO TWO ONE SEVEN THREE EIGHT, COLTON BLOCK PHASE TWO. 
          UH, AND THIS ONE IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          IT IS ON CONSENT P SEVEN FINAL PLAN. 
          I HAD A PRELIMINARY PLAN ALSO ON CONSENT, C A DASH 2018 ZERO TWO ONE SEVEN DOT FOR A, UH, COLD BLUFF, UH, PHASE THREE. 
          THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF MOVING ON TO B EIGHT, UH, FINAL PLANT OUT OF, FROM MILITARY PHASE, UH, ALSO ON CONSENT C EIGHT 2017 ZERO THREE ZERO SEVEN DOT FOUR, A, UH, THIS DOES SECTION FIVE, UH, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          AND THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE FINAL ITEM B NINE FINAL PLAN FROM THE APPROVAL, UH, PRE PRELIMINARY PLAN, C H J DASH 2018 ZERO ONE ZERO FIVE DOT TWO EIGHT EASTERN PARTS, SECTION THREE, A PHASE TWO FINAL PLAT RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE THE ITEMS I'M JUST GONNA, UH, SO 
          [Consent Agenda (Part 1 of 2)]
RIGHT NOW, JUST OFFERING, UH, NOW THAT, UH, I'VE GONE THROUGH THOSE, UM, I WANT TO OFFER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO ITEM B FOR, OR JUST COMMENT ON ITEM BEFORE, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          UH, ANYBODY WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON BEFORE. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE COMMISSIONERS AZHAR COMMISSIONER SHEA, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          SO I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU GUYS, LET'S JUST, UH, MAYBE TWO TO THREE MINUTES IF WE CAN KEEP IT TO THAT. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF STAFF? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF IF WE GET IN TOO MUCH BACK AND FORTH, WE'LL JUST PULL IT. 
          SO COMMISSIONER ZAHRA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN WITH YOUR COMMENT? SURE. 
          CAN WE FIRST START WITH THE QUESTIONS OF QUESTION? ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          YOU WANT TO KICK THIS OFF? SURE. 
          I'M HOPING TO HEAR FROM STAFF AND JUST HEAR WHY THEY COULDN'T RECOMMEND A B FOR THIS PROPERTY, THE HOUSING AND PLANNING. 
          ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, STAFF WAS NOT RECOMMENDING THE V TO THE STRING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT IS CLOSE TO AN ACTIVITY CORRIDOR AND A LEVEL THREE STREET, WHICH IS, UM, SOUTH FIRST STREET, THIS PROPERTY IS ON THE INTERSECTION OF TWO LEVEL ONE STREETS AND ARE MORE OF A LOCAL STREET. 
          AND WE LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY AND VIEWED IT MORE INTERNAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STARTING TO ENCROACH ON THAT RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF IT VERSUS ON THE ACTUAL PERIMETER AND TOUCHING ADJACENT TO THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR. 
          AND SO IT'S STAFF POSITION THAT THE CAN ONLY BE PUT ON CORRIDORS. 
          I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD GOTTEN PAST THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          OUR, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW WE ARE FOLLOWING WHAT OUR CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS. 
          AND THE V IS ALLOWED ONLY ENCORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          [00:10:04]
I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD GOTTEN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT THE FACT, THERE ARE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR THE FEE, BUT THOSE, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THEM WERE EITHER ON EXTENSIONS OF FUTURE CORE TRANSIT QUARTERS THAT HAD NOT BEEN EXTENDED AND UPDATED MAPS. 
          AND THEY WERE ALSO ON THE CAP, METRO FREQUENT BUS, RAPID FREQUENCY ROUTES. 
          UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS NEITHER ON THE FREQUENCY ROUTE BUS LINE OR, UM, ADJACENT TO THE TRANSIT CORRIDOR. 
          YEAH. 
          I ASSURE YOU. 
          IT IS THE BUS 10 RUNS A COUPLE HUNDRED FEET AWAY AND IT'S EVERY 12 MINUTES I RIDE IT ALL THE TIME. 
          ANYWAY. 
          UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SECTION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, WHERE IT PROHIBITS. 
          ARE YOU GUYS SAYING THAT IT MUST BE ON A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR? I DID NOT THINK THAT THAT WAS THE CASE. 
          COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. 
          DO YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT ANYWAY, LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION. 
          D DOES THE, UH, DOES THE COMMISSIONER WANNA PULL THIS AND DISCUSS BECAUSE WE CAN, OKAY. 
          IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR STAFF TO HAVE THAT READY FOR US BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER CASE ON HERE WHERE STAFF WAS UNABLE TO RECOMMEND THE V AS WELL. 
          SO IF WE CAN HAVE IT READY BY THEN, I GUESS, WHILE I'M ALREADY CUTTING OUT, GO AHEAD AND GO. 
          COMMISSIONERS ARE TOO. 
          SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME, AND THANK YOU, MS. CLARK. 
          UM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE SO FEW TOOLS FOR AFFORDABILITY IN THIS CITY, AND IT JUST ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THIS ONE TOOL THAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE ON THIS FIVE ACRE TRACT OF LAND RIGHT NEXT TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL NEXT TO A HUGE BOSTON PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT TO SOUTH FIRST, NEXT TO BEN WHITE. 
          I MEAN, IF WE CAN'T ALLOW MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE, BUT WE CAN ALLOW A 60 FOOT MARKET RATE BUILDING, BUT VERY LARGE UNITS HERE, WHICH IS WHAT ALSO COULD BE BUILT UNDER GEO EMU. 
          I MEAN, THIS, THIS MAKES ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE. 
          AND SO IT SEEMS THAT THE ONLY THING STANDING IN OUR WAY HERE QUITE LITERALLY STAFF THAT IS NOW MERGED WITH HOUSING. 
          SO MY HOPE IS THAT THIS JUST HAD AN INERTIA OF STATUS QUO PAST. 
          DON'T WORRY AS MUCH ABOUT HOUSING AS WE NEED. 
          AND YEAH, I THINK I HEARD A BOLSTER THERE. 
          LET'S GO TO GIVE A, LET'S SEE IF OUR COMMISSIONER IS AZHAR MR. SHAY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD A FEW POINTS? AND MY LAST THOUGHT, SO NOW THAT HOUSING IS WITH, UM, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          HOPEFULLY THEY CAN WORK TOGETHER AND NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, ONE DEPARTMENT COMPLETELY WORK AGAINST THE BEST INTEREST OF THE OTHER SINCE THEY'RE IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT. 
          JUST TO HOPE COMMISSIONER CZAR, FINE TALKING WITH TRISHA HERE. 
          GOING AHEAD. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO STOP YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          UM, SO I WANTED, THERE'S A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. 
          SO, UM, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY PAST THIS. 
          IT WAS JUST NEVER RESOLVED, RIGHT? STAFF HAS TO APPROACH IT VERY MUCH IN A BLACK AND WHITE FASHION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE GET TO WEIGH IN. 
          I THINK WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN ASK FOR V PRETTY MUCH ANYWHERE, RIGHT. 
          BUT, UM, STAFF MIGHT NOT RECOMMEND IT. 
          AND THAT THROWS IT BACK TO US TO BE THE BODY THAT HELPS CREATE THIS AND, UM, AND EVOLVE IT. 
          BUT BECAUSE WE'RE STUCK WITH THE ARCHAIC CODE THAT DOESN'T GIVE US THE TOOLS. 
          AND, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, UM, IT WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTING NOT TO SEE THIS V MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THIS WAS MORE OF A COMMON, YOU KNOW, FOR, I GUESS, FOR THE COMMUNITIES AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEAM NEED, RIGHT? B IS DON'T THINK OF IT AS, OH MY GOSH, IT'S GOTTA BE IN A QUARTER, BUT WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT THIS AS A TOOL, A TOOL TO THE MEANS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AND LOOK AT IT THAT WAY. 
          IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE VA GIVES US THAT OPTION. 
          IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE COMPLETE COMMUNITIES, THE FORCES, THIS TO HAPPEN, YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL TOGETHER. 
          WHEN IT JUST AS M YOU, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK MEU IS LIKE, OH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A MIXED ABUSED. 
          THERE'S NO IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER, JUST BECAUSE YOU GET, AND YOU, IT MIGHT BE A RESIDENTIAL GUM, OR IT MIGHT BE COMMERCIAL, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BOTH. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS IS SITUATED, IT'S A GOOD SPOT BECAUSE IT'S CLOSE TO THE CORRIDOR, IT'S CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIALS ACROSS THE, FROM RESIDENTIAL. 
          IT'S THE MIX. 
          SO I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED NOT TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD. 
          I WAS EXCITED. 
          SO ANYWAY, UM, I DO HOPE THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE YEARS TO COME AS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IF WE GET ONE OR WE GET MORE NEW TOOLS THAT THIS WOULD COME BACK AND GIVE US SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GIVE US THIS COMBINED SET OF USES, BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD TOOL BRINGS AFFORDABILITY, CREATES COMPLETE COMMUNITIES. 
          THAT'S MY THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHAY. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE WITH MY HUSBAND SAID SO FINE. 
          I THINK IT IS A BIT OF A SHAME, AND I HOPE THAT STAFF CAN CONSIDER THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE WOULDN'T HAD 10% OF ALL HOUSING THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN BILLED AS AFFORDABLE FOR 60% MFI AND BELOW. 
          SO RENTAL. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY SIGNIFICANT. 
          [00:15:01]
THAT'S WHY THE HIGHEST, UM, SORT OF USE WE HAVE FOR ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SUBSIDY. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PRODUCE AFFORDABLE UNITS WITHOUT HAVING ANY KIND OF SUBSTANCE. 
          AND I'M SAD TO SEE THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONSIDERED. 
          SO I AGREE WITH BOTH COMMISSIONS, SHARON ANDERSON, I HOPE THAT STAFF CAN SORT OF MOVE FORWARD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          I KNOW WE HAD WORKED THROUGH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT POLICIES AND, YOU KNOW, THIS COMES UP AGAIN AND AGAIN, BUT REALLY IF WE HAD ADOPTED ORLANDO LAND DEVELOPMENT GO, WHO WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THIS, AND THE QUESTION ALWAYS IS, WELL, WELL, HOW, THAT'S NOT TRUE WHEN I CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY. 
          IF YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE DASH QUEUE, THIS PROPERTY WOULD HAVE BEEN BOUGHT OFF ANY OF THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS, BECAUSE IF IT'S BASED COMMERCIAL ZONING WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO TO MIXED USE. 
          BUT IF I HAD TO PROVIDE A PERCENTAGE OF AFFORDABILITY BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, WHICH HERE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED, ALL UNITS IS BONUS. 
          SO I'M SAD TO SEE THE WORD, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT MOVING AHEAD WITH THAT. 
          WE'RE NOT EVEN FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO THAT CURRENTLY. 
          AND WE'D RATHER LET SOMEONE EITHER DO COMPLETE MARKET OR GENEROUS OR COMPLETELY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND NOT GIVE US THE AFFORDABILITY ASPECT THAT WE ARE SO MUCH YEARNING FOR WITHIN THIS COMMISSION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, WITHIN ALL OF OUR POLICIES AND GOALS. 
          SO I REALLY HOPE THAT STAFF CAN FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND AS MR. ANDERSON SAID, THIS IS REALLY IT'S, IT'S LESS THAN A HALF MILE FROM IN BUS STOP AND DO MAJOR CORRIDORS. 
          IT HAS BEEN A SHAME. 
          WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WALK SHED FROM A BUS STOP, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. 
          SO IT REALLY WAS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND I FEEL LIKE WE'RE LOSING THAT. 
          AND I THINK THE LAST THING I'LL JUST SAY TO THE APPLICANT WOULD BE IF, IF A CASE IS ABOUT BRINGING A NON-CONFORMING USE INTO CONFORMITY, THEN LET THAT BE THE CASE THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE EXPLORING OTHER IDEAS. 
          AND IF WE'RE EXPLORING OTHER IDEAS, THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLORE THEM FULLY. 
          BUT I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I APPRECIATE HOW THIS IS AT LEAST THEIR BUILDING TO WORK WITH A LITTLE BIT AND FIND A COMMON GROUND. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, ALLOWING US TO DO THAT JERRY SHAW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THANK YOU. 
          VERY GOOD POINTS FOLKS. 
          AND I GUESS WE'LL, WE DO HAVE LIKE, UH, I GUESS KIND OF SHERRY ANDERSON SAID, WE'LL LOOK AT A SIMILAR CASE HERE SOON. 
          AND SO, UH, MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. 
          SO I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UH, ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, OKAY. 
          WE GOT, UH, YES, I SEE. 
          UH, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA I'M LOOKING AROUND? I DON'T SEE ANY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND, UH, I THINK WE'VE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COMMISSIONERS WANT TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION OR WE GET WITH THE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO, UH, UM, JUST REACHING OUT, I DID HAVE SOME SPEAKERS FOR SOME OTHER ITEMS, SO I GUESS IF THERE ARE ANY SPEAKERS OUT THERE THAT, UH, WANTED TO PULL, UH, WE HAD , BUT I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK THOSE WERE JUST LISTED APPLICANTS. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT, UH, NEEDED TO, UH, PULLING ANY OF THEIR OTHER ITEMS? UH, STAR SIX, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEAK AND TO UNMUTE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE CLEAR, UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO I GUESS, UM, WE GO AHEAD AND GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, CONSENT ITEMS I'VE READ OFF. 
          AND THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING I HAVE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER SHAVE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SR. 
          UH, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, UH, VOTE, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, YES, THAT'S 10 FOLKS FOUR AND THAT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          UM, THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, SO MOVING ON, UM, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE UP ITEMS B ONE AND B2. 
          AND SO, UH, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE FOLKS, UH, AN OUTLINE OF OUT THERE, WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, OH, YES. 
          UH, I SEE, UM, VICE-CHAIR 
          [Additional Item]
HENFIELD DID YOU WANT TO JUST FILL FOLKS IN ON THE, WHAT WILL HA CITIZENS COMMUNICATION THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA IN THE FUTURE? YEAH, SURE. 
          UM, SO STARTING THIS WEEK, UM, WE CAN TAKE THE FIRST FOUR SPEAKERS THAT ARE SIGNED UP PRIOR TO THE SPEAKER REGISTRATION DEADLINE, UM, WHICH IS NOON THE MONDAY OR THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          AND EACH SPEAKER WILL BE ALLOWED A THREE MINUTE ALLOTMENT TO ADDRESS THEIR 
          [00:20:01]
CONCERNS REGARDING ITEMS NOT POSTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          SO WE'RE BRINGING CITIZEN COMMUNICATION BACK. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UH, YEAH, THE VICE CHAIR HAD, UH, REQUESTED THAT A WHILE BACK, UH, WHEN WE WERE IN A MEETING WITH ANDREW AND SO IT'S BACK. 
          SO SHE KNOWS FOLKS THAT, UH, WERE KIND OF LIKE TO SPEAK AT THE CITIZEN COMMUNICATION, UH, REACH OUT TO THEM AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, UH, THEY CAN JOIN US AT THE BEGINNING AGAIN. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I'M MOVING 
          [Items B1 & B2]
INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UH, WE HAVE, WE WANT TO BE TOO, AND I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS REAL QUICK. 
          I WILL HAVE A STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, THAT'S FIVE MINUTES, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE IN FAVOR. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE PRIMARY PROPONENT, WHICH WILL BE GIVEN FIVE MINUTES, AND THEN WE, UM, UH, WE HAVE THE OTHER SPEAKERS FOR, UH, WE'RE LIMITED. 
          UH, WE HAVE THREE AT THREE MINUTES, AND THEN AFTER THAT ONE MINUTE EACH FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, AND THEN WE'LL HEAR FROM THE OPPONENTS, UH, THE PRIMARY OPPONENT GETS FIVE MINUTES AND SIMILARLY, UH, THREE AT THREE MINUTES AND ONE AT ONE MINUTE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE APPLICANT REBUTTAL AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC AREA AND WE'LL HAVE TWO AND A HALF TO THAT. 
          SO THAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          AND SO WE WILL START WITH, UH, WE'LL TAKE ON AS V1 AND V2 TOGETHER. 
          AND SO WE'LL START WITH THE APPLICANT AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE I HAVE, UH, MICHAEL WHALEN AND, UM, AND POSSIBLY I GUESS, YES, MICHAEL LEYLAND TO START AS THE PRIMARY, UH, APPLICANT REPRESENTATIVE  I'M HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE FIVE MINUTES ON ANDREW RIVERA. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          ANDREW WE'LL BEGIN WITH A STAFF PRESENTATION. 
          AH, APOLOGIES. 
          YES, MICHAEL, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, LET'S GET THE STAFF FIRST. 
          THE ITEM B ONE IS NPA 2020 ZERO ZERO ONE 3.03. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1135 AND 1129 AND A HALF DENSER STREET. 
          IT IS WITHIN THE ECO VOLLEY JOHNSON TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING AREA. 
          THE GO VOLLEY SUBSECTION. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM COMMERCIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY TO MIXED USE LAND USE. 
          IT IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. 
          IT IS SUPPORTED BY THE VOLLEY JOHNSON TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM, AND THE GOOD VOLLEY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION WITH CONDITIONS AND THEIR LETTERS ARE PROVIDED IN THE STAFF CASE REPORT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT, IS THAT IT FROM STAFF? I GUESS SO LET'S, UH, SHARE, WE'LL KNOW, HEAR FROM THE ZONING PLANNER. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAPE THOSE TOGETHER. 
          SO LET'S SEE AROUND THE ZONING B2 FROM STEPH GOOD EVENING, HEATHER CHAFIN FROM THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CASE C 14 2020 ZERO ZERO EIGHT THREE, ALSO 1135 OF GUNTER STREET. 
          IT ALSO INCLUDES 1129 THAN HALF CENTER STREET. 
          STAFF IS COMMENDING INSTEAD OF THE REQUESTED CFMU, B C O N P WE'RE REQUESTING OR RECOMMENDING CF, AND YOU BE UNSAFE. 
          SO NOT THE V. 
          AND ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE COURT, IT LISTS ALL THE RECOMMENDED PROHIBITED USES OFFERED BY THE APPLICANT, WHICH FAST OFF THAT RESTAURANT, THE PROPERTY IS NEAR AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          IT'S THE SECTION OF AIRPORT ROLE OF ART THAT IS NOT A CORE OR A FEW PORTRAITS FUTURE CAR TRANSIT CORRIDOR AT DOESN'T HAVE FRONTAGE OR VEHICULAR ACCESS TO AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          IT ACCESS IS ONLY TWO LEVEL ONE, WHICH IS A LOCAL LEVEL STREET. 
          UH, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED CSCO AND IS USED FOR A CAB COMPANY AND BEST CHARTER COMPANY. 
          THERE ARE PROHIBITED USES OF VEHICLE STORAGE, AND THERE WERE CONDITIONAL USES OF CONSTRUCTION SALES, AGRICULTURAL SALES AND SERVICES ON THE WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION, BUILDINGS, MAINTENANCE SERVICES, LAUNDRY SERVICES, EQUIPMENT SALES EQUIPMENT, REPAIR SERVICES. 
          THERE'S ONE SMALL LOT AND SEND SF THREE WITH A SINGLE FRAMEWORK. 
          [00:25:01]
RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN JOINED INTO THIS PROPERTY. 
          UM, STAFF IS NOT SUPPORTING THIS BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTIAL STREET. 
          THE ASM P LEVEL ONE STREETS IS NOT ON AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE ACCESS TO AIRPORT BOULEVARD AND PRETTY MUCH SOMEBODY THAT, OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE READY FOR, UH, MR. WAYLAND AT THIS TIME. 
          UM, YOU WANTED TO GO AND SPEAK TO, UH, AND IT'S B ONE AND P TWO. 
          CAN YOU TAKE THOSE AT THE SAME TIME? YES. 
          I THINK OF THE PRESENT TENSE. 
          I AM. 
          THERE'S A PRESENTATION. 
          I BELIEVE SOMEBODY WILL JUST TELL ME WHEN THAT'S UP. 
          YES, WE SEE THE, UH, COVER SHEET. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU ALL, UH, CHAIR VICE CHAIR COMMISSIONERS. 
          THIS IS MICHAEL WHALEN ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT SLIDE TWO. 
          I'M HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS A REZONING AND A NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN AMENDMENT FOR 1135 AND 1129 AND A HALF GUNTER STREET THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO BUILD A VERTICAL MIXED USE PROJECT WITH 265 APARTMENTS, APPROXIMATELY AND INCLUDED WITHIN THAT 10% OF THE UNITS WOULD BE AT 60% MFI. 
          THE SITE LARGELY HAS FULL COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS ALREADY AND IS NOT SEEKING ANY CHANGES TO HEIGHT. 
          WE ALSO HAVE AGREED TO A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION THAT PROHIBITS MANY OF THE MORE INTENSE USES AND THAT FULL LIST IS IN THE STAFF BACKUP AND IT'S ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, UH, SUPPORT BUTTER. 
          THE MAIN THING WE WERE ASKING FOR IS THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE HOUSING PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY'S BMU DENSITY BONUS PROGRAM, WHICH ULTIMATELY WOULD PROVIDE A LOWER INTENSITY PROJECT THAN WHAT COULD ALREADY BE, BE BUILT TODAY. 
          UNDER THE EXISTING ZONING, WE GO TO SLIDE THREE SITE IS LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF AIRPORT BOULEVARD AND SPRINGDALE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, ACCORDING TO THE SURVEY, IT DOES TOUCH AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          AND I AT GRANTED IT DOESN'T TAKE ACCESS FROM AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          IT'S ABOUT 20 OR 30 FEET ON AXON AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          OKAY. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE HERE AND IS LARGELY ZONE FOR CSCO CHRIS STRIP ALONG THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, WHICH MS. MISSHAPEN JUST REFERENCED, WHICH IS CURRENTLY ZONED FOR SF THREE, IT'S ALL PART OF THE FAMILY, UH, TRACK THAT THE MEANS FAMILY OWNS THE CS PORTION OF THE SITE IS CURRENTLY USED FOR VEHICLE STORAGE, WHICH IS THE USE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ANY PROHIBITED HERE YEARS AGO, BUT IT IS IT'S BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN AS A NON-CONFORMING USE AND IS STILL ACTIVE. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE ENTIRE SITE VISA, WE ZONED TO ADD THE VMU OVERLAY AND TO IDENTIFY THE SITE AS MIXED USE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, SLIDE FOUR. 
          WITH THIS REZONING, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A MORE COMMUNITY FRIENDLY AND COMPATIBLE MIXED USE PROJECT WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AS I MENTIONED, THE EXISTING USE ON THE CS PORTION OF THE SITE TODAY IS VEHICLE STORAGE PROPOSAL WOULD INSTEAD PROVIDE HOUSING, INCLUDING AFFORDABLE, WELL HOUSING ABOVE GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL, AND MOVE IN AND WOULD MOVE AWAY FROM VEHICLE STORAGE AS IT WAS CALLED FOR BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS. 
          IN ADDITION, AS I'VE MENTIONED, WE HAVE AGREED TO PROHIBIT A NUMBER OF MORE INTENSE USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED TODAY. 
          AND WE WOULD ACCOMPLISH THIS WITHOUT ASKING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL HEIGHT, SLIDE FIVE. 
          THIS IS A CHART THAT ILLUSTRATES THESE POINTS. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, HEIGHT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME AND WOULD BE KEPT AT LESS THAN 60 FEET DUE TO COMPATIBILITY. 
          AND THERE IS A MARGINAL INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVER THE MAIN COMPONENTS OF OUR REQUESTS AREN'T ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL USES AND IMPORTANTLY, ALLOWING US TO PARTICIPATE IN THE VMU AFFORDABLE HOUSING BOOM, AND THIS PROGRAM, I SHOULD ALSO MENTION THAT STAFF IN THEIR REPORT HAVE RAISED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT APPROVING A VME PROJECT WITHOUT FRONTAGE ON AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          AND YET THE SURVEY DOES SHOW THAT WE ABUT AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          THE FIRST THING I WOULD NOTE ON THAT QUESTION THOUGH, IS THAT THE CITY HAS NUMEROUS PRECEDENTS OF VMU LOTS THAT DO NOT HAVE DIRECT CHRONIC ONTO THE CORRIDOR, BUT ARE NEVERTHELESS READILY ACCESSIBLE AS IS THE CASE HERE. 
          THE SECOND THING I WOULD NOTE IS THAT THE EXISTING ZONING ALREADY ALLOWS A BROAD RANGE OF OFFICE RETAIL AND OTHER COMMERCIAL USES THAT ARE MORE INTENSE THAN RESIDENTIAL APPROVING VMU ZONING HERE WITH US, ALLOW US TO PROVIDE MUCH NEEDED HOUSING WITHOUT RAISING THE LEVEL OF POTENTIAL VEHICULAR TRIPS BEYOND WHAT IS ALREADY 
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ALLOWED ON THE SITE TODAY. 
          SLIDE SIX. 
          SO VMU WOULD NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF POTENTIAL TRIPS, BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          AS YOU KNOW, VMU IS CURRENTLY THE ONLY ZONING AUCTION OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN AND REGULATING PLAN AREAS. 
          IT ALLOWS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS BY PARTICIPATING. 
          WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE HOUSING AND WE'LL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE 10% OF TOTAL UNITS AVAILABLE ON SITE AT 60% OF THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME DOING SO IS BOTH THE RIGHT CALL FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT'S ALSO, BUT IT IS ALSO THE RIGHT CALL IN TERMS OF HELPING MEET THE CITY'S HOUSING GOALS. 
          THE CITY'S STRATEGIC HOUSING BLUEPRINT SETS US A TOTAL GOAL OF 6,295 AFFORDABLE UNITS IN DISTRICT THREE BY 2027, AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, THE CITY'S PROGRAMS HAVE ALREADY PRODUCED. 
          WE'RE LEFT WITH A GAP OF ABOUT 387 UNITS PER YEAR THAT WE'LL NEED TO PROVIDE IN DISTRICT THREE IN ORDER TO HIT THAT GOAL TODAY. 
          HOWEVER, THE CITY HAS BEEN PRODUCING ABOUT 120 AFFORDABLE UNITS PER YEAR IN DISTRICT THREE, ON AVERAGE BEING USED AS A KEY AFFORDABLE HOUSING TOOL AND APPROVING BMU ZONING HERE WILL HELP MOVE THE CITY CLOSER TO ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOALS, SLIDE SEVEN. 
          SO TO RECAP, 1135 IS CURRENTLY VEHICLE STORAGE SPACE. 
          THIS PROPOSAL WOULD PROVIDE A MIXED USE PROJECT WITH LONG-TERM ONSITE, AFFORDABLE UNITS, AND THIRD IT WOULD DO SO IN A MANNER THAT MAINTAINS NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY AND HAS EARNED THE SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE CONTACT TEAM. 
          BOTH OF THOSE LETTERS ARE IN YOUR BACKUP. 
          I HAVE THREE ADDITIONAL ITEMS, ONE, UH, COMMISSIONER SEEGER. 
          WHO'S NOT HERE HAD ASKED ME IF WE WOULD AGREE TO ALSO ADD AS A PROHIBITED USE ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES. 
          AND OF COURSE THAT'S FINE. 
          UH, WE HADN'T EVEN CONSIDERED THAT, UH, FRANKLY, BUT YES, THAT, SO WE WOULD AGREE. 
          SHE WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR THAT AND WE WOULD HAVE AGREED TO THAT PUBLICLY. 
          I ALSO WANTED TO PUBLICLY STATE THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO REACH OUT TO THE GUADALUPE NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WHEN UNITS FIRST BECOME AVAILABLE AND TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH G AND D C THEREAFTER, UH, TO, TO ALERT THEM WHEN UNITS ARE AVAILABLE, SINCE THEY HAVE A LIST, UH, IN A WAITING LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO RETURN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND FINALLY, ALTHOUGH WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED THE BUILDING YET, WE ARE EXPLORING THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE SAME PRO-RATA MIX OF ONE AND TWO BEDROOMS AS THE MARKET RATE UNITS. 
          SO I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED AND THAT WE ARE DEFINITELY LOOKING AT THAT. 
          AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU, SARAH. 
          YOU'RE ON MUTE. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S TRY AGAIN. 
          UH, SO I HAVE ON MY SPEAKER LIST, UH, SECOND, UH, PROPONENT IS, UH, MR. MICHAEL  STAR SIX ON MUTE. 
          HELLO, MR. GOT DANNY. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. 
          YES. 
          SO I'M JUST HERE ALSO, UH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND JUST HERE BASICALLY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, SO I DON'T NEED TO, TO TAKE UP ANY MORE OF Y'ALL'S TIME UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          NO, NONE AT THIS POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GOOD. 
          THAT'S ALL THE SPEAKERS. 
          SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, UH, WE WILL, I GUESS CLOSE IS WE HAVE STAFF. 
          UM, WELL, I GUESS WE HAVE, UM, I WANT TO SEE IF, UH, APPLICANT, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OPPOSITION. 
          DO YOU GUYS NEED TO HAVE ANY MORE THINGS YOU WANT TO ADD OR ARE WE GOOD TO MOVE ON STAFF? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? THIS IS MICHAEL WHALEN AND NOTHING ELSE TO ADD. 
          WE WOULD SIMPLY ASK THAT, UH, THAT THERE'D BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST WITH THE ADDITIONAL PROHIBITED USES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE STAFF BACKUP, WHICH WERE PART OF THE NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, ALONG WITH THE ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT, UH, A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. SHAY GOT A SECOND, MR. HOWARD, I GUESS. 
          UH, BUT SHOW ME YOUR COLORS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE KNOW. 
          UH, ALL RIGHT. 
          THAT'S UM, OH, 11, I THINK COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. 
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ONE MORE. 
          DO I SEE YOURS? ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. 
          I'M GOING TO PAULA. 
          IS THAT A YELLOW OR GREEN? I CAN'T TELL IF IT'S GREEN. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          IT'S MY SCREEN. 
          IT LOOKS A LITTLE YELLOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          HERE WE GO. 
          I GOT IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE NOW HAVE 11, UH, COMMISSIONER JADA'S POLITO IS WITH US. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO INTO Q AND A ON THIS ONE. 
          UH, HE WANTS TO START US OUT JUST FOR REMINDER, WE HAVE EIGHT CONDITIONERS AT MINUTES EATS INDIVIDUALLY TO BEGIN, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, I GUESS I'LL JUST REQUEST AGAIN TO STAFF TO HELP EXPLAIN WHAT THE POLICY IS ON, ON VMU BECAUSE I, I THOUGHT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD A PRESENTATION TO, CAUSE WE ASKED FOR A PRESENTATION FROM STAFF. 
          WE HAD A PRESENTATION AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS THAT SAID, YES, IN FACT, IT IS LEGAL EVERYWHERE. 
          UM, OR, YOU KNOW, IN MOST CASES AND IT'S, IT'S JUST THAT THE STAFF DOESN'T LIKE TO PUT THE, THE, ON THINGS THAT WERE NOT FUTURE OR POOR TRANSIT CORRIDORS OR FUTURE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          AND CAN WE JUST GET SOME CLARIFICATION FROM STAFF, YOU KNOW, DO THEY HAVE DIRECTION WITHIN THEIR DEPARTMENT TO NOT PUT THE VMU AND THOSE LOCATIONS? AND THEN IF THEY DO HAVE THAT DIRECTION WHERE THEY FEEL, THEY GOT THAT DIRECTION. 
          MY SHARES, HEATHER CHAPMAN HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE ARE INSTRUCTED BY CODE TO FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE FOR VMU, WHICH IS CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND FUTURE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF MOVEMENT IN THE DIFFERENT DIRECTION THAT THAT WAS PERSE ESTABLISHED, BUT WE ARE FOLLOWING CODE BY, AND THIS IS MY UNDERSTANDING, AND THIS IS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING. 
          AND THIS IS NOT WHAT HAS BEEN TOLD TO US BEFORE, WHEN WE HAD A PRESENTATION BY, UM, I BELIEVE IT WAS, I CAN'T QUITE REMEMBER THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WOULD, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO ASK, UH, YOU KNOW, AT A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR STAFF TO GIVE US A PRESENTATION AND IT'S FOR STAFF TO GIVE US A MEMO THAT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DOCUMENTS THIS FOR POSTERITY. 
          UM, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY CLEAR IN MY MIND THAT THERE IS NO CODE REQUIREMENT FOR IT TO BE ON A FUTURE TRANSIT CORRIDOR AND FOR IT TO BE ON FOR THIS PROPERTY TO BE ON AN IMAGINE AUSTIN CORRIDOR AND FOR STAFF TO SOMEHOW NOT FIND DIRECTION, NO WITHIN IMAGINE AUSTIN WITHIN THE METRICS OF IMAGINE AUSTIN WITHIN EVERYTHING THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE HOUSING BLUEPRINT, WITHIN OUR TRANSPORTATION PLAN FOR, FOR US NOT TO, FOR STAFF, NOT TO HAVE DIRECTION ON THAT. 
          I JUST THINK WE NEED SOME CLARITY FROM STAFF ON WHAT IS THE DIRECTION I UNDERSTAND. 
          I UNDERSTAND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE INSTRUCTED BY CODE. 
          ALTHOUGH POLICY MAY HAVE CHANGED. 
          AND THE CODE SECTIONS THAT WE WERE FOLLOWING MAY NOT BE CURRENT WITH, BUT CLEAR GUIDANCE FROM STAFF THAT CODE DID NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE ON A FEATURE TRANSIT CORRIDOR. 
          AND SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT DID NOT GET THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS PROPERTY ONLY HAS ACCESS TO LOCAL ONE STREET, IT'S NEAR A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR, BUT IT'S,  ACCESS IS ONLY THROUGH LOCAL STREET. 
          SO THAT WAS A BIG PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION IN, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IF, IF IT DID HAVE ACCESS BECAUSE THE CLIENT SAYS, IN FACT IT DOES HAVE ACCESS, BUT IF IT DID HAVE ACCESS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IF, IF A PROPERTY HAS ACCESS TO A LARGE CORRIDOR LIKE AIRPORT OR LAMAR, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE OTHER LARGE CORRIDORS AND THEY HAVE ACCESS ON ANOTHER STREET, THERE'S TRANSPORTATION USUALLY ASK THEM TO TAKE THE ACCESS FROM THE, THE CORRIDOR. 
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I CAN'T ANSWER THAT FULLY, BUT I CAN ANSWER THAT THIS PROPERTY TOUCHES AIRPORT BOULEVARD SLIGHTLY. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT'S A RECTANGLE, THAT ONE CORNER OF THE RECTANGLE TOUCHES AIRPORT AND THE REST OF THE FRONTAGE IS ON THE TWO LOCAL STREETS. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HIS NEXT WITH A QUESTION I SAY, COMMISSIONER FLORES. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. GILL. 
          DENI. 
          IS HE ON THE LINE? UH, WELL, MY QUESTION THEN FOR YOU IS, UM, JUST TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT FROM YOU. 
          UM, TELL US WHO YOU'RE WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND, UM, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY YOU'RE SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT WITH THE V OH, I'M MICHAEL WHALEN. 
          UM, I WORK AT ARMBRUST AND BROWN AND WE ARE REPRESENTING, UM, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          YEP. 
          COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH COMMISSIONER THOMPSON'S QUESTIONS TO STAFF. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A NUMBER OF THINGS, BUT ONE IS A PRESENTATION ABOUT OUR AUTHORITY TO BE FROM OCTOBER. 
          UM, GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK, UM, FROM OCTOBER 23RD, 2018. 
          AND THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, DOES THIS ALLOW ANY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN TO ASK FOR BMU REGARDLESS OF THEIR STREET DESIGNATION AND THE STAFF RESPONSE IS YES, IT DOES. 
          AND I LOOK UP CODE SESSION FOR THAT THREE DOT FIVE DOT B DOT FIVE DOT D ANY PROPERTY OWNER. 
          AND THIS IS OUR RIDICULOUS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          SORRY, IT'S A BEAST IN A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. 
          UH, ANY PROPERTY OWNER MAY FILE A ZONING APPLICATION FOR VERTICAL MIXED USE OR MIXED USE IMMU COMBINING THE DISTRICT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT PLAN COMBINING DISTRICT HAS BEEN ADOPTED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WHAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HERE IS HOUSING AND PLANNING IS NOW TOGETHER. 
          AND SOMEHOW THERE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT DEPARTMENT TONIGHT TO SAY NO TO 60 INCOME RESTRICTED HOMES PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER THROUGH DEVELOPMENT, GETTING MORE EFFICIENT MARKET RATE HOMES, THE 60 AFFORDABLE HOMES AT 60% AND BELOW MFI. 
          AND WE'RE ALREADY LOSING, LIKE ALL OF OUR NUMBERS ARE BAD. 
          LIKE IT'S NOT AS THOUGH, LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE CAN GIVE UP THESE EXTRA 60 HOMES BECAUSE WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE'RE NOT GOOD. 
          AND ANY METRICS, SO STAFF, PLEASE WALK ME THROUGH LIKE, WHAT IS GOING ON? HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE? HOW HAS STAFF STANDING IN THE WAY OF STAFF AND SENDING THEM THE WAY HOUSING? SO HEATHER CHAPLIN PLANNING HER HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, OUR MERGER IS RECENT. 
          THE CODE DESCRIPTIONS AS VIRTA FOR COMIX USE ARE NOT RECENT. 
          THEY HAVE CHANGED. 
          IT'S NOT THAT WE CANNOT HAVE VMU IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. 
          IT'S JUST STAFF FOLLOWS CODE AND CODE SAYS, THESE NEED TO BE ALONG CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS AND FUTURE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CASES APPROVED IN LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT FOR DOORS OR FUTURE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDORS, BUT AS STAFF, WE ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW CODE. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE KEY BASIS OF THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          IT'S JUST STAFF, MAKING SURE WE DON'T GET AFFORDABLE UNITS, BUT YET THE BUILDING CAN STILL BE BIG. 
          IT CAN STILL BE EVERYTHING. 
          IT WAS GOING TO BE. 
          IT JUST CAN'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOMES. 
          LIKE, AND I GET IT THAT THE MERGER'S NEW AM, I GUESS, IS THE SECOND. 
          THIS MAKES ITS WAY UP THE ROSIE BE LIKE, WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE WE DOING? THIS MAKES ZERO SENSE. 
          LET'S JUST HOPE IT GETS TO HER SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. 
          THANKS. 
          THE STAFF, THE STAFF IS FOLLOWING CODE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA. 
          NO, I GOT TO SAY, I FEEL FOR STAFF. 
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UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE FOLLOWING VERY BLACK AND WHITE OF WHAT IT SAYS AND WHICH IS MORE REASON WHY WE NEED TO REVISE THE CODE. 
          UM, BUT IF I WANT TO, BUT, UM, APART FROM THAT, I MEAN, I'M GOING TO JUST KIND OF JUST DIVE RIGHT IN. 
          AND SO I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF POSSIBLY WHAT, UM, GIVE STAFF AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO KIND OF GIVE US A HINT INTO WHY THEY'RE RECOMMENDING ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT, UM, THE LEVEL ONE STREETS. 
          SO, UM, SCOTT, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT WHEN IT'S ON A LEVEL ONE STREET, HOW THE V DOESN'T FIT WITH THAT? UM, BECAUSE I MEAN, I'VE SEEN WHERE IT CAN WORK. 
          UM, YOU'VE SEEN VERY, UH, NARROW STREETS, I MEAN, AROUND AND THEY STILL HAVE A COMBINATION OF USES. 
          I MEAN, WE'D GO AROUND WEST CAMPUS AND WE LOOK AND SEE ALL OF THAT. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THIS WHOLE LEVEL ONE STREETS VERSUS, OH, NOBODY I'M YOU WHEN THERE'S EXAMPLES AROUND WHERE IT DOES WORK. 
          SO MAYBE THAT CAN HELP EDUCATE US. 
          I WILL HAVE TO TURN THIS OVER TO STAFF FROM THE AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT REGARDING LEVEL ONE STREET. 
          THIS IS BEEN A GENERAL POLICY FOR VMU TO NOT BE ACCESSING SMALL STREET THEN TO ACCESS PORTRAIT CORN GROWERS IN FUTURE CALL TRANSIT CORRIDORS. 
          IF AMBER IS AVAILABLE TRANSPORTATION. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THIS IS WHAT THE AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU CONTINUE. 
          YES. 
          UM, TRANSPORTATION ASSESSMENT, UM, DOESN'T TYPICALLY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S SPECIFICALLY ON A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR. 
          AS MUCH AS WE LOOK AT CONNECTIVITY ACCESS. 
          UM, THIS SITE IS CLOSE AND ACCESS EASILY ACCESSIBLE BY AIRPORT BOULEVARD. 
          ADDITIONALLY, IT IS ON THE, UH, SECTION OF AIRPORT THAT IS PART OF THE 2016 MOBILITY BOND. 
          IT'S GOT GOOD ACCESS TO TRANSIT. 
          UM, AND I THINK ANY KIND OF HIGHER LEVEL ASSESSMENT THAT WE WOULD DO TO KIND OF REALLY LOOK AT THE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS, UM, WHETHER OR NOT A CIA IS REQUIRED TO BE DONE AT THE SITE PLANT LEVEL. 
          SO WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING AT THIS TIME THAT WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT FROM A CONNECTIVITY STANDPOINT IS I GUESS WHAT I WOULD SAY. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD THING, RIGHT? IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S A GOOD THING, NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S AT BECAUSE OF CONNECTIVITY. 
          UM, SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, THE WHOLE STORYLINE BETWEEN TRANSPORTATION AND, AND STAFF SAYING NO, WHEN IT'S ON LEVEL ONE, WHEN YOU GUYS WERE ACTUALLY, HEY, THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH IT. 
          SO, UM, I DUNNO, I THINK, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE SOME BETTER COLLABORATION, UM, BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR, UH, THIS CASE AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS? I SEE A COMMISSIONER YOUNGEST PALITO, THANK YOU TO MY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT. 
          UM, MR. WHALEN OREGONIAN COULD ANSWER. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WERE SENT. 
          AND I DEFINITELY HEARD THE COMMENTS ON, UM, ON THE COLLABORATION AHEAD OF TIME WITH JAN DC, UM, WHICH IS GREAT AND THE PROHIBITED USES AND JUST WANTED TO, UH, REAFFIRM IN CASE I MISSED IT, UM, THAT THE TRAFFIC CALMING AGREEMENT WAS ALSO, UM, A PART OF THAT COMMITMENT, UM, AS WELL AS, UM, AFFORDABLE UNITS, INCLUDING TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS. 
          UM, SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT IN CASE I MISSED IT, OR IF YOU DIDN'T GET TO, NO, I DIDN'T. 
          I DIDN'T GET TO THAT. 
          UH, ALL THOSE ITEMS LISTED, FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS A GREAT PROCESS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION, THE CONTACT TEAM, VERY COLLABORATIVE. 
          WE WENT THROUGH, UH, IN ADDITION TO THOSE ITEMS, UH, SINCE THERE ISN'T A RENTAL UNIT, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THERE WITH A, A GENTLEMAN AND I BELIEVE IS WE'VE ALSO AGREED TO, UH, MOVE THEM, UH, AND, UH, PROVIDE THEIR, UH, FIRST MONTH RENT, WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO AND TO PROVIDE, HELP THEM MOVE BACK TO THE AFFORDABLE UNITS AND PROVIDE A MONTH'S RENT IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO RETURN TO ONE OF 
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THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ALONG WITH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT YOU, UH, HAVE MENTIONED TO PUT INTO ESCROW, UH, MONEY FOR TRAFFIC CALMING INTO GO AHEAD AND DO THE ACTUAL COUNTS THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO BENCHMARK THE, UH, UM, UH, TO PROVE UP IF YOU WILL, THE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES. 
          AND IN ADDITION, AS I MENTIONED IN MY, IN MY COMMENTS AT THE END, UH, THE PRO-RATA SHARE, UH, INVESTIGATING WHICH WE'RE DOING. 
          WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED A BUILDING YET, BUT INVESTIGATING, UH, HAVING THE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE SAME PRO-RATA MIX AS THE MARKET UNITS. 
          WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF ANALYZING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE THAT'S FIVE COMMISSIONERS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, CHAIR. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION SLASH COMMENT TO STAFF. 
          I CAN HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          I THINK I APPRECIATE YOU WANT TO DO OF COURSE, FOLLOW GORDON AND VOLUME THROUGH WHAT A BLOCK IS HERE. 
          I THINK THE ISSUE HERE IS WHETHER WE CAN ALL REASONABLY AGREED WHAT IS IN GOLD. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT SUB CHAPTER II, SECTION FOUR, ARTICLE FOUR, SORRY, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, WITHIN THAT 1.21, WHICH IS THE GENERAL APPLICABILITY SECTION, AND I'M LOOKING AT DAVID A AND I COULD COME TO, IF THEY BUILT A, IT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT 3.33 URBAN THAT THIS IS THE APPLICABLE WHERE IT GOES TO STUDENTS IS APPLICABLE ON URBAN ROADWAYS, PARTICULARLY ON SITES WHERE ALL ESSENTIALLY THERE'S NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. 
          AND AS I LOOK AT THE DEFINITIONS WITHIN THE CHAPTER, URBAN GROWTH GREENS ARE ROADS OTHER THAN THOSE DESIGNATED AS ALL KINDS OF CORRIDORS AND HIGHWAYS. 
          SO I GUESS, AM I READING THIS WRONG? WHAT I CAN, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM GOLD IS THAT THE, THIS SECTION OF THE CODE FOR THE GOLDEN STEWS IS APPLICABLE ON URBAN ROADWAYS. 
          AS LONG AS THE APPLICATION IS ON A SITE THAT IS ALREADY ESSENTIALLY A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND ERLIN NODE RESERVE, THOSE ARE DOORS THAT ARE NOT PART OF GORGONZOLA COORDINATORS. 
          AM I CORRECT? HOW THAT'S HAPPENING? HAS ONE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT SECTION OF CODE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHAT CODE SAYS FOR VERTICAL MIX, THAT IT SHOULD BE ON A CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR OR A FUTURE CORE TRANSIT CORRIDOR. 
          IF A ROAD IS IN THE URBAN AREA, A LOCAL ROAD IS NOT THE SAME AS A LOCAL ROAD IS BASICALLY A LUBER HOOD ROAD. 
          IT'S NOT COMPARABLE TO SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE IT'S AN URBAN CENTER. 
          I, BEYOND THAT, I CAN'T COMMENT. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO AP OR AT EARTH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION YOU INVITE FOR ADD, BECAUSE WHAT I CAN LOOK AT THE APPLICABLE TABLE HERE IS WHICH IS STABLE, A UNDER SECTION OF THAT SHERMAN, I FORGOT, BUT ESSENTIALLY WITHIN, UM, I'M LOOKING AT 1.1, THE GENERAL BUILD, YOU DO A, I CAN SEE FOUR KINDS OF WOUNDS WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT THEM. 
          IT'S GROUNDED CORRIDORS, URBAN ROADWAYS, SUBURBAN ROADWAYS, AND INTERNAL CIRCULATION ROUTES. 
          AND SO I THINK I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO GET SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT ON WHAT ARE URBAN ROADWAYS AS DEFINED UNDER THIS CHAPTER, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE BME IS APPLICABLE ON DOORS, BUT THERE MIGHT BE SOME DISAGREEMENT ON WHAT URBAN MORE AGREES ARE UNDER THIS CHAPTER. 
          ALL OF THOSE SEEMS TO BE A DISTINCTION OF SAYING THAT THERE ARE THOSE ROADS THAT ARE NOT ORGANIC OR YOURS. 
          UM, AND ALSO I THINK I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, NOT HAVING THE GORDON BUTTERFIELD OR SOMEONE WHO CAN DO IT'S EASILY TO PULL IT UP. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, I HOPE THAT STAFF CAN REALLY COME BACK WITH A MORE DETAILED PRESENTATION OR A MEMO THAT REALLY WALKS US THROUGH SOME OF THESE SECTIONS AND ALLOWS US TO UNDERSTAND IF WE ARE MISINTERPRETING SOME OF THESE SECTIONS. 
          SO THANK YOU, HEATHER CHAPMAN. 
          AGAIN, I WILL REACH OUT TO ATB AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET A LITTLE MORE DEFINITION OF WHAT THE DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS ARE FOR OPEN COURT, OPEN STREETS, URBAN CORRIDORS, LOCAL STREETS, AND THOSE KIND OF DEFINITIONS THAT MIGHT AFFECT YOUR 
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DECISIONS. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE TWO MORE SLOTS. 
          THERE'S OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND, UM, COMMENT, UH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON SAID. 
          YES, WE DID HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM JERRY RUSS TOVAN AND WE ASKED FOR A MEMO AND NEVER GOT IT. 
          AND I THINK IF IT'S ON OUR LIST THAT WE PROBABLY ASKED FOR IT, I THINK FIVE MORE TIMES, OR AT LEAST I DID. 
          AND SO IT WAS A TOOL TO HELP US AS COMMISSIONERS REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS VERY COMPLEX RULE. 
          AND SO NOW WE HAVE NEW COMMISSIONERS HERE THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT WELL, I WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT LETTER AND CLARIFICATION. 
          SO, UM, I WOULD REALLY, UH, UNMASKING, UH, STAFF TO REALLY PREPARE SOMETHING TO HELP GUIDE US. 
          AND I, I CAN UNDERSTAND ON STAFF, IF YOU'RE LIMITED BY THE CODE AND MAYBE THAT'S OUR JOB IS THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL TO THEN MAKE THOSE POLICY DECISIONS, UH, THAT SEEMED TO BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE. 
          UH, SO MAYBE, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR ROLE. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF, EXCEPT I DO ECHO WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID THAT WE REALLY COULD USE THE WRITTEN GUIDANCE, UH, FROM STAFF ON HOW TO TREAT THESE, UH, VMU ZONED IN CASES. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. 
          UM, ONE LAST POSITION, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TAKE THE EIGHTH QUESTION, OTHERWISE I'LL ENTERTAIN MOTIONS, JEREMY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, MOVE, UM, APPROVAL OF APPLICANT RECOMMENDATION WITH, ALONG WITH PROHIBITED USES. 
          AND DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE PROHIBITION AGAINST, UH, ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES? CORRECT. 
          UH, PERMISSION TO SECRETS REQUESTS. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK GOD OR THE ETHNICITY, THEY WERE FINE WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T THINK STAFF THIS AND I HAVE A SECOND. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, YANAS PLAYED A SECOND SESSION AND MR. ANDERSON, I WOULD. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS, UH, I THINK I HEARD STAFF TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S THEIR GENERAL POLICY TO XYZ. 
          I WOULD HOPE THE STAFF TAKES A LONG, HARD LOOK AT ALL THEIR GENERAL POLICIES. 
          AND IF ANY OF THEIR GENERAL POLICIES ARE FORCING THE DEVELOPMENT OF HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THOSE ARE GENERAL POLICIES THAT NEED TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE AND BE A PART OF THE PAST. 
          SO I WOULD REALLY HOPE THAT THEY COULD DO THAT ON OUR OWN. 
          AND ALSO IN THE FUTURE BUSINESS, WE CAN ALL TALK ABOUT ADDING A BMU DISCUSSION ON ONE OF OUR FUTURE AGENDAS, HOPEFULLY BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THIS CASE JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          AND I MEAN, EVEN ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE IN SUPPORT, WHICH DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN WHEN YOU'RE ADDING HOUSING CAPACITY. 
          AND SO, UM, THE FACT THAT STAFF IS THE ONLY GROUP STANDING UP FOR SOME REASON, OPPOSED, AND JUST MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS. 
          AND I'M SORRY, WE HAD TO SAY GOODBYE TO THE OTHER 30 PLUS AFFORDABLE HOMES, 250 HOMES ALSO IN DISTRICT THREE, BUT WE'RE NOT MEETING OUR GOALS BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. 
          SO AT LEAST WE CAN JUMP OUT IN CASES LIKE THIS. 
          SO, UH, QUICKLY, UH, MR. ANDERSON, COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY, ARE YOU, UH, WE'RE TAKING V1 AND V2. 
          ARE YOU, CAN YOU JUST RESTATE YOUR MOTION THERE? CORRECT. 
          BUT WE WANT YOU TO BE TO, UM, APPLICANTS RECOMMENDED OR, UH, APPLICANTS REQUESTS, UH, ALONG WITH THE PROHIBITED USES PLUS COMMISSIONER SEEGER'S ADDITIONAL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND YOU AGREE WITH THAT COMMISSIONER YOU ON TOLEDO AS THE SECOND? UH, CAN WE INCLUDE THE OTHER CONDITIONS AS NEGOTIATED WITH THE CONTACT TEAM, UH, WITH CONDITIONS I'M LOOKING AT THE MOTION MAKER. 
          I, I THINK CAN WE INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION I'LL BE ALLOWED TO? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          OR HOUSING PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE CERTAIN ITEMS THAT ARE IN A PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT WE CANNOT ENFORCE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE IN SOMETHING ENFORCEABLE WE CAN DISCUSS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, I GUESS COMMITTED, COMMISSIONING ON HIS PALITO. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE WE WERE GONNA GET INTO A LOT OF DETAILS. 
          SO IF WE TRY TO PULL IN THOSE OTHER ITEMS, MANY ARE WHICH IN A PRIVATE COVENANT. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, UH, DO YOU WANT A SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON'S MOTION? UM, YES, I WILL. 
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SECOND THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE NOTION IS FOR, IS I READ, UH, B ONE, WHICH IS, UH, GRIEVED BY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT BE TWO. 
          WE'RE GOING WITH THE APPLICANTS RECOMMENDATION, UH, FOR CSM, U V N P. 
          AND, UH, WITH THE PROHIBITED USES AGREED TO, AND INCLUDING, UH, THE PROHIBITION AGAINST ADULT ORIENTED BUSINESSES. 
          SO IF I COULD SEE YOUR CARDS ON THAT, UM, FOR THIS MARK, SORRY, A CHAIR. 
          ARE YOU INVITING MORE COMMENT OR ARE WE JUST VOTING? NO, WE'RE VOTING. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M RESTATING THE ASSUMPTION. 
          SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NO DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, YOU ARE, UH, I'M SORRY. 
          UH, YES, WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS IT. 
          SO YOU AS A SECOND, PLEASE. 
          UH, YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? THANK YOU. 
          UM, I JUST, UH, WOULD LIKE TO, UM, COMMENT THAT I ALSO APPRECIATE STAFF LOOKING OUT. 
          UM, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER WHAT ARE VIABLE CORRIDORS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT VERTICAL MIXED USE, UM, CAREFULLY. 
          BUT, UM, I ALSO JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT PART OF THE, UH, PART OF THE ISSUE HERE IS ALSO ADDRESSED THROUGH THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS NEGOTIATIONS. 
          SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY WHO DRIVES THE STREET EVERY DAY RECOGNIZE THAT THIS CORRIDOR, THIS FOR THEM IS ON THAT CORRIDOR. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT IS WHERE THEY WANT THE DENSITY AND HAVE NEGOTIATED IT. 
          UM, BUT I WILL SAY JUST EVEN SECONDING THIS AND I, I DON'T WANT TO VIOLATE PARLIAMENTARY DIETARY RULES HERE, BUT I DO ACTUALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE, THE RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO REQUEST TO, UH, TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION IF I CAN CHANGE FROM SECONDING TO MAKING AMENDMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO I GUESS WE NEED TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC, SO YES, GO AHEAD. 
          WE JUST NEED TO AVOID THE PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT ITEMS, RIGHT? SO IT BORING, BORING. 
          SO MY AMENDMENT WOULD BE BARRING ANY ITEMS THAT WOULD FALL INTO A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT THAT WE RECOMMEND THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR BMU, FOR B ONE AND TWO, UM, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS NEGOTIATED WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN CONTACT TEAM, AND AS WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY AS REQUIRED IF NEEDED FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS, UM, AND OMITTING ANYTHING THAT WOULD FALL INTO A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          SO I THINK THE MOTION IS ON THE TABLE FOR, IS ALREADY ON THE TABLE FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN AMENDMENT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SUBSTITUTE NEXT TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SECOND, SORRY. 
          SUBSTITUTE MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          ANDREW, CAN YOU, UM, KIND OF HELP US OUT  LANDROVER JUST TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR THE COMMISSION THAT WOULD, UH, IF YOU COULD DO IT A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, UH, THE MOTION OR, AND THEN HAVE A SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          SO GO AHEAD AND RESTATE THAT MOTION AGAIN SO I CAN WRITE IT DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          APOLOGIES FOR THE CONFUSION THERE. 
          SUBSTITUTE MOTION WOULD BE TO APPROVE B ONE AND B2 APPLICANT'S REQUESTS ON B ONE AND B2 WITH THE CONDITIONS AS DETAILED, UH, WITH THE CONTACT TEAM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD RE UH, APPLY TO A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT CAN SORRY, CAN WE JUST GO THROUGH THEM ONE BY ONE? AND I THINK THAT WOULD OFFER CLARITY. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, THE TRAFFIC CALMING AGREEMENT, THE GOOD STUFF, CAN STANFORD SORT OF COMMENT ON EACH OF THESE AND WHETHER THEY'RE WELL, HOUSING, HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT, SEVERAL OF THESE ITEMS ARE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN A PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT SPOT I'M WITH INCORPORATING THINGS THAT ARE IN A PUBLIC RESTRICTED COVENANT OR AN UNCONDITIONAL OVERLAY, BUT THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC CALMING, THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL HAVE TO BE THE PRIVATE COVENANT. 
          SO CAN WE JUST WALK THROUGH EACH, EACH ONE AND HAVE STUFF COMMENT AFTER EACH ONE? WHETHER THAT CAN BE PART OF THE, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          CARMEN, IF YOU READ THEM AND MAYBE STAFF CAN COMMENT. 
          SURE. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THE TRAFFIC CALMING AGREEMENT WAS TO, WAS BASICALLY FUNDING, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING 
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VEHICLE COUNTS AND TRAFFIC CALMING. 
          SO THAT CAN BE, UH, THAT WOULD BE PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          I UNDERSTAND, UM, THE, UH, AGREEING TO PARTNER, UM, WITH THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING GMDC, UM, TO DO WRITE A FIRST REFUSAL THING. 
          SO PREFERENCE POLICY, UH, INCLUDING TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS AS THE, CAN WE GET STUFF TO COMMENT ON EACH ONE THAT WOULD ALSO BE PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN, BUT ALL, UH, BOTH OF THOSE, THE TRAFFIC CALMING AND THE WHITE, WHEN WAS IT, WHEN WAS THE PREFERENCE POLICY AND THE OTHER IS THE AFFORDABLE UNITS BEING INCLUDING TWO AND THREE BEDROOM. 
          YEAH. 
          THESE ARE BOTH, THOSE ARE ALL PRIVATE AGREEMENT, NOT INCLUDE THOSE. 
          AND I THINK THE MAIN THING OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT AND KEVIN SIMPLY JUST RESTRICTED USES. 
          OKAY. 
          I MEAN, I, MY HOPE WAS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LET LEGAL AND STAFF FIGURE THAT OUT AND SORTED ACCORDINGLY AND TO HONOR THE COMMITMENT OF A VERY LONG ELABORATE NEGOTIATED PROCESS. 
          UM, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THINGS, UH, BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE ASIDE FROM JUST OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED, THAT ALL OF THE PROHIBITED USES ARE INCLUDED. 
          AND THAT WAS THE INTENT OF YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION. 
          CORRECT? I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO, UM, DO I HEAR WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION AND DO YOU USE, DO YOU SECOND, THE ORIGINAL MOTION COMMISSIONING ON IS PALITO? ARE WE BACK THERE? YES. 
          IF I CAN BE ASSURED THAT ALL OF THIS IS ACKNOWLEDGED AND NOT, DOES NOT NEED TO BE INCORPORATED IN THIS IN ANY WAY I CAN REVERT BACK. 
          SO APOLOGIES FOR WALKING THROUGH, BUT I DO THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO, TO ACKNOWLEDGE, UM, THAT FULL AGREEMENT. 
          SO I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. 
          SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND VOTE. 
          WE DO, WE DO HAVE SOME OTHER SPOTS NOT TO HURRY IF ANYBODY DOES WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS VOTE IN FAVOR. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          CONDITIONERS ARE BACK TO THE, OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH THE SECOND BIONICS AND FURTHER DISCUSSION COMMISSIONED AS OUR CHAIR. 
          WHILE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER NON-US BELIEVED IT WAS FRUSTRATION. 
          WHY THE CITY OF AUSTIN LEGAL DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE A MECHANISM WHY WE CAN DO THESE THINGS IN A PUBLIC WAY IS A GROWING AMOUNT OF FRUSTRATION FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT ALL OF THESE HAVE TO BE DONE THROUGH NONPROFITS AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS. 
          AND THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER WAY ANOTHER DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER REMINDER OF THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, FISHER IS OUR, UH, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU CHAIR. 
          SO I THINK JUST SAYING THAT I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE, ESCIENCE HAPPY TO SEE THAT IN THE WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE INCLUSION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL BE ON STRONG GUIDANCE AND WE'LL CONSIDER THESE AS THEY'RE COPING, THAT THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING THESE GOSSIP CALMING, WHICH WE WENT TO THE IN AGREEMENT TO FIND THE COOKOUTS AND TO FIND GRAPHIC COMMON DEVICES IN PREFERENCE POLICY FOR LONG TIME AND TURNING RESIDENTS WITH PARTNERSHIP AND A GARDEN DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO PROVIDE NOTIFICATION AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING VACANCIES. 
          UM, AFFORDABLE UNITS, UH, WILL INCLUDE TWO AND THREE BEDROOM MINUTES OR EMOTIONAL COUNT OF BEDROOMS. DO THE MARKET RATE GRADIENTS, UM, GUNTER HOUSEHOLD ASSISTANCE, UH, FOR THE AFRICAN HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE IN LOCATING HOUSING. 
          AND THEN ALSO I HOPE SO. 
          I JUST WANT TO READ THESE TWO RECORDS AND SEE THAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THAT THEY ARE WORKING AND AGREEING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          I HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL LIVE UP TO THAT. 
          AND ALSO TO ADD THAT I HOPE THAT THEY WILL CONSIDER IT AND WORK ON AFFIRMATIVE MARKETING STRATEGIES. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THEY'VE REFERENCED POLICY IN SOME WORK THAT DO IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADAGE AS WELL. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT HAS GONE IN, AND I'M READING THIS, UM, JUST TO SORT OF, UH, FARM THAT THESE ARE ALSO THE INTENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OR AT LEAST MY PERSONAL INTENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANYBODY IS SPEAKING AGAINST AND THEN AGAINST, OKAY, SO COMMISSIONER, UH,  YOU WANT TO SPEAK FORWARD? YEAH, IT'S NOT AGAINST, IT'S JUST, MY COMMENT IS VERY BRIEF. 
          UM, I JUST, I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S STRONG SUPPORT OF WHAT I'VE JUST SAID. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HERE'S HOPING THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE A REAL COMMITMENT ON THE PART OF THE APPLICANT TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH ALL THE PROMISES MADE. 
          UM, AND AT THE SAME TIME, JUST WANTING TO, WANTING TO EXPRESS 
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THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON THINGS LIKE PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF THAT ARE JUST SO UNTRANSPARENT, YOU KNOW, AND THERE SHOULD BE A MORE, UH, PUBLIC AND ACCOUNTABLE, A WAY TO HOLD THE APPLICANT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THESE KINDS OF COMMITMENTS. 
          IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE HAVE TO RELY ON THESE KINDS OF COVENANTS. 
          THAT'S ALL MINE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THE, UH, UM, INVOLVED THERE. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, VOTE ON THIS. 
          AND AGAIN, IT WAS A MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER YANAS POLITO. 
          AND THIS WAS TO PROVIDE AS B ONE AND P TWO TO, UM, FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST, INCLUDING THE PROHIBITED USERS, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF THE ADULT ORIENTED, UH, BUSINESS IN THOSE PROHIBITED USES. 
          SO IF WE COULD GO AHEAD AND SEE THOSE IN FAVOR, WE HAVE 11 IT'S UNANIMOUS. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          SO NOW, UM, ON HAVING A REALLY GOOD NIGHT HERE AND WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE CLEAN UP, I'LL GO AHEAD. 
          AND MR. ANDERSON, YES, THEY'RE SUPER QUICK. 
          UM, WHILE STAFF IS HOPEFULLY NOT HANGING UP TOO QUICK, I KNOW THAT THAT WAS ROUGH ON STAFF. 
          AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THAT'S JUST THE RESULT OF A 36 YEAR OLD LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF FRUSTRATIONS THERE. 
          AND I DID NOT MEAN, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US MEANT TO BE HARSH ON STAFF, BUT IT'S JUST TOO BAD WHEN, YOU KNOW, THE CODE GETS IN THE WAY THEY HAVE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THEY CAN'T BE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, AND I NEED YOU GUYS TO HELP ME WITH A LITTLE CLEANUP 
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ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UH, LEGAL WANTS US TO MOVE INTO THAT ONE MORE TIME. 
          UH, SO I NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE PUBLIC HEARING SO THAT WE CAN, UH, GO THROUGH AND, UH, CLARIFY THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN WE WILL, UH, THEN WE WILL CLOSE IT. 
          AND SO IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER DISHONOR, AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER. 
          UH, GO AHEAD AND VOTE TO OPEN UP THE, UH, PUBLIC AREA AGAIN. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S UNANIMOUS SO 11 TO ZERO. 
          AND SO I THINK I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THROUGH IT ONE MORE TIME. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS WANTING ME TO DO. 
          I'M JUST GOING TO READ THEM BY NUMBER AND THEN ALSO CLARIFY, UH, THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE AGAIN. 
          SO LET ME JUST, UH, GO THROUGH THIS ONE MORE TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, UM, WE HAVE THE, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHICH WE JUST HEARD OR BEYOND B ONE B2. 
          B3 IS ALSO ON DISCUSSION, UH, BEFORE IS ON CONSENT. 
          B FIVE IS ON CONSENT. 
          B SIX IS ON CONSENT. 
          B SEVEN IS ON CONSENT. 
          THE EIGHT IS ON CONSENT. 
          THE NINE IS ON CONSENT. 
          AND SO NOW I NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND AS COMMISSIONER IS OUR COMMISSIONERS, SECOND VICE MINISTER SHALE, LET'S GO AND VOTE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CLOSED IT OUT, AND THEN, OKAY, WE'VE GOT 11. 
          OH. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO AND VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE MINUTES. 
          SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? WE HAVE TO MISS HER BIZARRE AND, UH, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER. 
          SO LET'S GO AND VOTE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S UNANIMOUS 11 ZERO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK THAT WE'LL CLEAN THAT UP. 
          SO NOW LET'S SEE, WHERE WERE 
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WE? WE WERE B THREE. 
          AND, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START WITH THIS STAFF PRESENTATION, UH, STAFF, WHO DO WE HAVE? THIS IS WENDY ROSE PLANNING WITH THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          PLEASE START. 
          UH, THIS IS ATTRACT ON RANDOM LANE OR 4,800 SQUARE FOOT ONE AND A HALF STORY OFFICE BUILDING. 
          IT DOES HAVE L O C O N P ZONING THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2001. 
          UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY AND SPECIFICALLY TO REMOVE TWO PROVISIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY. 
          ONE IS TO LIMIT THE HEIGHT OR STRUCTURE TO ONE AND A HALF STORIES. 
          AND THE SECOND IS TO REQUIRE A BUFFER ALONG THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. 
          TO THAT END. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS PURCHASED THE ADJACENT TRACK TO THE WEST THAT WAS SINGLE FAMILY AT THE TIME. 
          AND IS NOW ZONE GRM, YOU AND P THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY FOR ONE AND A HALF STORIES DID PRESENT A CHALLENGE IN TERMS OF ITS INTERPRETATION. 
          DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, 
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THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND, UH, SINGLE STORY OFFICE BUILDING THAT SPANS THE WESTERN PORTION OF THIS AREA, AS WELL AS THE ADJACENT G R M U N P LOT THAT HE OWNS TO THE WEST. 
          AND, UH, ALSO PLEASE NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE REMAINING CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH LIMIT HEIGHT AT 30 FEET AND PRIVATE MEDICAL OFFICES. 
          THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE CHANGE, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL AS A MEMBER OF THE CONTACT TEAM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, APPLICANT A REP IS UNTIL I HAVE AARON WELSH, UH, STAR SIX CENTIMETERS. 
          MY NAME IS AARON WELTON WITH LAND STRATEGIES, UH, REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER OF, UH, THE TRACKS AT FOUR 11, FOUR OH SEVEN AND FIVE OH THREE RANDOM, WHICH WILL ULTIMATELY BE JOINED TOGETHER IN A SINGLE, UH, DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST THIS CASE TONIGHT IS JUST FOR FOUR 11. 
          AND WHEN YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF PRESENTING, WHAT THE KIND OF ASK IS JUST REMOVING TWO CONDITIONS THAT ARE NO LONGER APPLICABLE. 
          UM, THOSE CONDITIONS WERE PLACED ON FOUR 11. 
          RADOM WHEN THE ADJACENT TRACT AT FIVE OH THREE RADOM WAS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. 
          AND AS WENDY SAID, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AT FIVE OH THREE RAT. 
          AND WE ARE GOING TO CONVERT THAT TO AN OFFICE BUILDING, UH, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY AT FOUR 11. 
          RADOM ALMOST A MIRROR IMAGE OF THAT. 
          AND SO WE HAD TO GET RID OF THESE TWO, UH, TWO OF THE FOUR CONDITIONS THAT WERE AGAIN, NO LONGER APPLICABLE. 
          THAT'S REALLY ALL WE'RE DOING IN MY MIND. 
          THIS IS KIND OF A CLEANUP, UM, UH, CLEANUP ZONING CASE. 
          AND I HAVE HAD SOME COMMUNICATION, UH, WITH MARIO AND GLEN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAM. 
          WE ACTUALLY RECEIVED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM MARIO LATE THIS AFTERNOON. 
          UM, WENDY HAS SENT THAT OVER TO YOU. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE RECEIVED IT YET, BUT THAT SHOULD BE ON FILE NOW. 
          AND THEN I'VE ALSO HAD SOME COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS THE STREET, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AT THE INTERSECTION OF RICHLAND. 
          AND RADOM HER NAME IS LORI HUMPHREYS. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH HER OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO SHE DID EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY APPLY TO THE ZONING. 
          IT'S MORE A CONCERN SHE HAS WITH SITE PLAN, AND THOSE CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED LATER. 
          UM, AND THAT'S REALLY, IT REALLY HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE SITE PLAN ON FIVE OH THREE RADOM THAN IT DOES WITH THE ZONING CASE. 
          UM, SO I'M REALLY JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF, UH, THE CONTACT TEAM OR ANYONE ELSE, ANYONE ELSE WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          THOSE ARE ALL THE SPEAKERS I HAD, EXCEPT FOR JUST, UH, I HAVE MARIO CANTINA SPEAKING NEUTRALLY. 
          UH, SO MR. CANTU, ARE YOU, ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES. 
          I CAN HEAR YOU. 
          HOW MANY MINUTES DO I HAVE YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID ANY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN YOUR HEALTH TODAY? MY NAME IS MARIO  I'M CHAIR OF THE SOUTH CONGRESS CONTACT TEAM. 
          AND WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH ERIN WELL, TO HAVE POTENTIAL THIS PROPERTY ON, UH, FOUR RANDOM LANE. 
          UH, WE DID A LETTER OF SUPPORT TO HER. 
          WE DO, WE WILL BE GETTING THIS TO YOU AS WELL. 
          UH, NO DISRESPECT ON THAT. 
          UH, ALSO I WANT TO JUST MENTION, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SEEING SOME OF THE THINGS GOING ON HERE SHORTLY, BUT I JUST WANT TO REACH OUT TO WENDY AND SAY THAT SHE IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB FROM THE CITY, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE, HER CORRESPONDENCE AND FOLLOW UP AND FEEDBACK WITH THE CONTACT TEAM AND APPLICANTS AS WELL. 
          SO GOING BACK TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, JUST WANT TO MENTION, WE DID, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE GOING BY THE BURKE STERN SPORE, WHICH IS THE FUTURE AREA. 
          THIS IS GOING TO BE KIND OF REALLY CLOSE TO THIS PROPERTY. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID MENTION TO, UH, AARON WAS ABOUT, UM, POSSIBLY, UH, AND FOR THEM TO REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT IF THERE'S ANY PIECE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BERKSON, OR THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF AN OPEN SPACE THAT, UH, THE, EITHER THEY COULD PROVIDE SOME PARKING SPACE, WHICH PROBABLY AT THIS TIME PROBABLY WON'T HAPPEN. 
          BUT WE DID MENTION IN OUR LETTER OF SUPPORT WHAT OUR WATER FOUNTAIN, UH, AREA SPACE, UH, OR A REST AREA SPACE OR EXERCISE SPACE OR DOG AREA SPACE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN KIND OF PICK FROM ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE LISTED. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO RESTRICTIVE COVENANT WITH 
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THE CONTACT TEAM, BECAUSE WE JUST DIDN'T REALLY WANT TO PUSH BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF THAT THEY MAY BE LIMITED WITH IN REGARDS TO THE CITY AND, AND PROVIDING THESE VERY SPECIFIC. 
          SO WE'VE KIND OF OPENED IT UP AND LEFT IT THERE, UH, IN HIS LETTER SUPPORT, SHOULD THEY HAVE THE SPACE AVAILABLE THAT THEY COULD PROVIDE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, UH, FOR USE INDIVIDUALS THAT WANT TO USE THE PURCHASE FOR, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ON JUST TO BE A LITTLE CLEAR TO THE INTENT AND CONVERSATIONS WITH KAREN WELCH, AND SHE WILL BE PASSING THIS ON TO THE OWNER AS WELL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? WELL, I'LL GET TO QUESTIONS IN A MOMENT. 
          UH, SO STAY ON THE LINE. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS. 
          UH, SO AT THIS POINT, DOES THE APPLICANT NEED ANY REBUTTAL TIME? UM, NO, I DON'T. 
          UH, MARIO AND I SPOKE EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON BEFORE THE HEARING TONIGHT AND EVERYTHING HE SAID IS ACCURATE, UM, IN COORDINATION WITH, WERE IN CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND ANY POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BERGSTROM SPUR MADE THAT BE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, OR LIKE YOU SAID, A WATER FOUNTAIN, THE DOG AREA EXERCISE THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, UH, PROPOSED AS A CONDITION OF ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I SEE, UH, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, HELP HIM FOLLOW THE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER. 
          SO LET'S GO AND VOTE THOSE IN FAVOR CLOSING. 
          I SEE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE'VE GOT 11 ZERO FAIR, UH, TO CLOSE THE HEARING. 
          AND NOW SARAH, A ROUND ROBIN QUESTION TIME WHO WANTS TO START US OFF? GIVE ME EIGHT SPOTS, FIVE MINUTES EACH, UH, COMMISSIONER HIPPO. 
          I THINK. 
          SO THIS IS A QUESTION FOR, UH, THE APPLICANTS. 
          UM, THERE WAS MENTIONED ABOUT A CONVERSATION WITH THE, THE ADJACENT LANDOWNER AND THEIR CONCERNS, WHICH MAY BE ADDRESSED IN THE SITE PLAN. 
          I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THOSE CONCERNS ARE. 
          UM, YES, HER CONCERNS WERE THAT I THINK SHE HAS A CONCERN ABOUT AXLE LIMITS, YOU KNOW, LARGE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN RADOM LANE. 
          AND OF COURSE THIS ZONING WON'T HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THAT. 
          UH, BECAUSE THE PROPOSED, AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON WE'RE DOING THE ZONING IS BECAUSE WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, ROUGHLY 57, 50 SQUARE FOOT OFFICE BUILDING ON THE ADJACENT TRACT. 
          SO OFFICE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MASSIVE SEMIS OR ANYTHING THE MOST THAT WOULD BE, WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A FEDEX OR A UPS TRUCK. 
          SO, UM, HER CONCERN ABOUT ACTUAL LIMITATION, AGAIN, ISN'T REALLY SPECIFIC TO THIS ZONING CASE. 
          IT'S JUST HER EXPRESSING CONCERNS WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, TRUCK ACTIVITY IN HER NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          AND THE OTHER CONCERN SHE HAD TO THAT WAS THE ACTUAL, AND THEN SHE HAD ANOTHER CONCERN ABOUT, UM, VEGETATION, YOU KNOW, SCREENINGS FROM HER PROPERTY, UM, ACROSS THE WAY. 
          SO W YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S MINIMUM LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO MEET AND EXCEED THOSE AS WELL. 
          HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          UH, HE'S BEEN AT THIS LOCATION FOR OVER 30 YEARS, UM, AND HE'S BEEN A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, TO EVERYONE AROUND HIM HE WANTS TO CONTINUE TO DO SO. 
          SO IF THAT MEANS PUTTING UP A BUNCH MORE TREES, HE'S WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          AND THOSE WERE HER TWO MAIN CONCERNS. 
          AND WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH FOR SEVERAL DAYS, UM, ABOUT THOSE ISSUES. 
          AND I THINK THOSE ISSUES WERE FOR MS. HUMPHREY, LAURIE HUMPHREYS IS HER NAME. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE JUST GOING TO REMAIN. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING AND WE'LL MEET, UH, AT LEAST MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, IF NOT MORE FOR SCREENING AS WELL AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. 
          SO THOSE WERE HER ISSUES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, UH, TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, UM, MR. CANTU SPOKE ABOUT POTENTIAL OPEN SPACE AND, UH, WITHOUT HE DIDN'T WANT TO DO, UM, THE PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          SO I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT, UH, MIGHT MOVE FORWARD. 
          UM, COULD YOU, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? I'M SORRY. 
          IT WAS UNCLEAR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          SURE. 
          SO, UM, MR. CANTU SPOKE ABOUT AN OPEN SPACE, LIKE A DOG PARK OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, UH, ACCESSIBLE FOR THE FUTURE VERSUS TRANSFER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT NOT WANTING TO DO A PRIVATE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT. 
          SO I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM, FROM THE APPLICANT'S PERSPECTIVE, HOW DOES THAT MOVE FORWARD? UM, WELL, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE REALLY SOMETHING MORE AT THE TIME OF SITE PLAN. 
          SO WE HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING 
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THAT WE'RE PROPOSING AT THE ADJACENT TRACK, WHICH IS WHAT IS TRIGGERING THE ZONING CASE. 
          AND THE SITE ITSELF IS GOING TO BE FAIRLY LIMITED. 
          IT'S FAIRLY TIGHT WITH RESPECT TO IMPERVIOUS COVER THE SHAPE OF IT, AND THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS COVER THERE'S DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS AND WATER QUALITY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET. 
          SO, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MARIO AND WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHO'S HAD PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS BY THE WAY, UM, WITH CITY STAFF AND, UH, THE CITY'S CONSULTANTS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED BIRDS FROM SPUR IMPROVEMENTS, THE, THE ATHLETE OR THE OWNER IS WILLING TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF ACCESS FROM RADOM LANE THROUGH A PORTION OF HIS PROPERTY, UH, TO THE BERGSTROM SPUR. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVE TO REALLY KIND OF BACK INTO WHAT AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT WILL BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON GETTING OUR SITE PLAN KIND OF NAILED DOWN, UM, WITH RESPECT TO NOW, PARKING IS GOING TO BE A WHOLE OTHER THING. 
          WE PROBABLY WON'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ANY ONSITE PARKING FOR ACCESS TO THE SPUR, JUST BECAUSE OF THE TIGHTNESS OF THE SITE AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET. 
          UM, BUT AS FOR OTHER IMPROVEMENTS, LIKE A WATER FOUNTAIN, MAYBE AIR UP YOUR BICYCLE TIRE OR PAVILION DOG AREA, UM, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE REVIEWED WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE SITE PLAN TO SEE WHAT AREAS WE COULD USE. 
          AND IF WE HAVE IMPERVIOUS COVER SUFFICIENT ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THOSE, EVEN THOSE MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE CITY. 
          UM, WE'RE JUST NOT QUITE AT THAT POINT YET, BUT THESE ARE ALL ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE TABLE, UH, WITH, UH, MYSELF, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND WITH MARIO AND HIS GROUP. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE OF WHAT THINGS WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          AND I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD ALSO KIND OF LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THERE AS WELL. 
          IT'S JUST WHAT THAT MIX IS GOING TO BE IS UNDETERMINED RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OTHER COMMISSIONERS WITH QUESTIONS I'M LOOKING AROUND. 
          I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS. 
          UM, SO DO, UH, COMMISSIONER AZHAR. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR STAFF STUFF. 
          I KNOW IN THE PAST WE HAVE DONE THE NUMBER ONE OF NICOTINE IN LARGE NUMBERS IS CONDITIONER. 
          DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA AT THIS POINT OF THE SCOPE OF HOW MANY OF THESE CEOS EXIST OUT THERE THAT LIMIT THINGS, AND HOW MANY OF SIMILAR CASES WE'LL BE SEEING THE FUTURE? BECAUSE IF THERE WAS ACTIONS OF THE FAST, UH, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR CASE ONLY HAD FOUR CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS AND TWO ARE PROPOSED FOR REMOVAL. 
          UH, HOWEVER, THERE ARE CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS THAT HAVE BEEN PLACED ON PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, SINCE APPROXIMATELY 1987, UM, REZONING CASES THAT OCCURRED IN 1987 AND, AND, UH, UP TO CURRENT, UH, PRESENT DAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS ARE OUT THERE, BUT I'M SURE THAT THERE ARE NUMEROUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT, STAFF? ALRIGHT. 
          ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? I'M LOOKING AROUND, UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA. 
          SURE. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SUPPORT STAFF. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND, A SECOND BITE FOR MANAGERS SNYDER. 
          DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR MOTION COMMISSIONER SHEA? YEAH, SURE. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE THAT I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT'S JUST CLEANING UP SOME S SOME, UH, THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. 
          AND, UM, TIMES THAT HAVE EVOLVED PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THE AREAS CHANGED, THE OWNERSHIP HAS CHANGED. 
          SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE PUT IN THERE TOO FOR CERTAIN PROTECTIONS DURING THAT TIME, BUT, UM, IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. 
          SO, UM, AND TO YET, IF MINISTER ISO SACRAMENT, I MEAN, WE COULD BE SEEN AS WORTHY AS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO, I MEAN, THIS IS CLEANUP TIME, SO THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS, UH, AGAINST, UH, CNN, UH, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO YOUR SECOND, UH, COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, JUST TO, UH, UNDERSCORE WHAT COMMISSIONER SHAY SAID, AND ALSO ADD, UH, AN APPRECIATION TO THE APPLICANT FOR WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAM AND FOR THE WORK OF MR. CANTU AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONTACT TEAM AND WORKING WITH, UH, THE APPLICANT TO REACH A SETTLEMENT THAT MAKES EVERYONE AT OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ANY OTHER SPEAKING IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WELL, LET'S GO. 
          WE HAVE, UH, THEN I'LL JUST, UH, IT'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR, IT WAS MOTION 
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BY COMMISSIONER, UH, JAY SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER. 
          SO LET'S GO AHEAD. 
          AND, UH, THOSE IN FAVOR, I'M SEEING, UH, UNANIMOUS, SO THAT'S, UH, YEAH, 11 SARAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UH, THOSE ARE ALL OF THE DISCUSSION CASES. 
          I, UM, WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO A NEW BUSINESS 
          [C1. Discussion and adoption of Planning Commission meeting schedule for calendar year 2021.]
AND I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE ME ONE SECOND. 
          I'VE JUST GOT TO GET MY PHONE CHARGER IT'S RIGHT DOWN THE HALL. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          SO NEW BUSINESS WHERE WE'LL DISCUSS AND ADAPT THE ART OF MEETING SCHEDULE FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR CALENDAR YEAR 2021. 
          UM, ANDREW DID, ARE YOU PUTTING THAT UP ON THE SCREEN OR ARE WE DID EMAIL THAT OUT? CHAIRMAN PRESENT? OKAY. 
          UH, THE CALENDAR, UM, OUR, I CAN'T REMEMBER. 
          DO WE NEED TO REVIEW THAT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, OR IS THAT SIMPLY WE EMAIL THAT OUT? WE CAN CERTAINLY DISPLAY THE KELLEN. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          WHEN CHAIR SHAW, AND I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS LAST WEEK WHEN SHE OR SHANNON WENT ON MONDAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS, JUST WANTED TO BRING A COUPLE OF DATES, UM, TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. 
          UM, THE HOLIDAY DATES. 
          SO LOOKING FORWARD INTO DECEMBER, DECEMBER 14TH AND DECEMBER 28TH ARE OUR TWO, UH, MEETINGS IN DECEMBER. 
          AND WE KNOW IN PARTICULAR THAT DECEMBER 28TH MEETING, UM, MIGHT, UM, PROBLEMATIC TO GET INFORMS. SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT, UH, MAKING THAT A CONSENT ONLY A MEETING, BECAUSE OUR REALLY OUR ONLY OTHER OPTION HERE WOULD BE TO HAVE, UH, THERE NOT HAVE THAT MEETING OR HAVE A MEETING ON THE FOURTH MEETING. 
          REALISTIC. 
          ANY THOUGHTS THERE? SO ALMOST NO. 
          AND THE 14TH MEETING. 
          UM, SO LET ME, UH, MY CHAIR HEMPEL, I THINK WE, AND MAYBE ANDREW MIGHT HAVE SPEAK TO THAT, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE CONSIDERING LOOKING AT DECEMBER 8TH AS AN OPTION. 
          WAS THAT, AM I ACCURATE? THERE IS FOR A SECOND, UM, SECOND MEETING THAT MONTH. 
          OH, I DON'T REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT'S SO, UH, SO THE OTHER OPTION YOU PROPOSED, I THINK WAS, UM, JUST COVERING EVERYTHING IN ONE MEETING ON THE 14TH, RIGHT. 
          OR A CON AND, OR A CONSENT ONLY AGENDA ON THE 28TH. 
          SO PLENTY OF NOTICE IF WE'RE ADOPTING THE CALENDAR, NOW THAT THAT WOULD BE A CONSENT AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          SO THOSE ARE YES. 
          CONSENT ONLY IN THE 28TH, KEEPING THE 14TH, WHICH, UH, IT MAY BE A BUSY, UH, MEETING. 
          UH, SO ANY OF THIS IS JUST OPEN DISCUSSION ON OPTIONS FOR DECEMBER OF 2021, IF ANYBODY WANTS TO CHIME IN. 
          AND I CAN'T, LET'S SEE IT, UH, I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS, BUT I CAN'T SEE YOU ALL IN ONE SPACE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER, YOU, OKAY. 
          YOU GOT TO PULL IT UP. 
          ANY OTHERS, ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER IS OUR, I WANT TO SEE AGAIN, AT LEAST I WOULD NOT BE WRONG WHEN THE COMMISSION DECIDES THAT SHOULD NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD ANYBODY BACK, BUT EFFECT IN BACK SCORES, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          YEAH. 
          THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER OPTION, WHICH YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO LOOK FOR THIS, UH, THIS YEAR AS WELL. 
          IT'S LOOKING AT THAT, UH, WEDNESDAY DATE, UM, EARLIER IN THE, UM, IN THE MONTH IS, UH, SO IT WOULD BE A WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS AS WELL. 
          UM, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? IF I KNOW THAT'S BETWEEN OR ON, YOU KNOW, IF WE REALLY 
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THINK THAT'S A RISKY TIME WE COULD GO AHEAD AND MOVE THE MEETING. 
          SO, UM, HERE'S MY THOUGHTS. 
          SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT FINAL MEETING WAS GOING TO BE A CONSENT ONLY, RIGHT. 
          THEN WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT AS PART OF THAT PREVIOUS MEETING? AND BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE PUT INTO THAT PREVIOUS MEETING AND WE'RE TALKING IT'S IT'S OVER A YEAR FROM NOW. 
          SO IT WOULD BE UP TO STAFF BECAUSE I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS ABOUT TIMING, RIGHT? IF IT'S CONSENT IT'S BECAUSE, UM, EITHER WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, OR IT HAD TO BE APPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION OR SOME DISAPPROVED BY PLANNING COMMISSION BY THAT DAY BY CONSENT. 
          IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN, IN, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE MATTER OF A FEW MINUTES. 
          SO WE CAN'T, WE JUST PUT THAT INTO OUR AGENDA FOR THAT, FOR THAT FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAVE ITS CONSENT ANYWAY, EITHER CONSENT APPROVAL OR CONSENT DISAPPROVAL DOESN'T TAKE ANY TIME. 
          AND STAFF JUST NEEDS TO PLAN ON IT. 
          THAT THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GONE. 
          WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HORROR ON PRIDE. 
          IF WE THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE, UH, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO PLAN AROUND, BUT WE'RE GOING TO, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT FIRST MEETING DECEMBER, YOU SHOULD HAVE MORE ABILITY TO HAVE QUORUM THERE. 
          THEN THE LAST MEETING IN DECEMBER IS I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE UP MEETINGS. 
          WE MISS, I RECOMMEND INSTEAD OF THE 28TH TO THE 22ND, THAT WEDNESDAY, YOUR IDEA THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          GET IT OVER WITH BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS. 
          YEAH, NO, I THINK WE SHOULD GET IT OVER WITH, BUT IF YOU'RE, BUT GREG, IF YOU'RE PRETTY SURE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE UP A MEETING, SO IT'S ACTUALLY A SEPARATE MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          THEN LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, LET'S JUST KNOCK IT OUT WHILE WE HAVE QUORUM, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT DAY OR WHATEVER, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          SO, UH, I GUESS WE'LL, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE THE MOTION AND A VOTE ON THE CALENDAR IF THERE'S ANY CHANGES TO OUR STANDARDS. 
          SO DO I HAVE ANY, ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A PROPOSAL HERE? I'LL MOVE TO MOVE DECEMBER 28TH TO DECEMBER 22ND WEDNESDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON TO, UH, JUST MOVE. 
          UM, SO, UH, JUST SO WE HAVE THAT ONE, UH, LET ME GO AHEAD AND ADD JUST, UH, AN AMENDMENT TO CONSIDER, UH, I THINK VICE CHAIRMAN HEMPEL AND I WERE WE ALSO LOOKING AT THE THANKSGIVING WEEK AS POSSIBLE? WE MIGHT WANT TO ADD THAT INTO YOUR EMOTION. 
          SO, UM, CAN WE BRING UP THE CALENDAR, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON 23RD TO THE 17TH? YEAH. 
          LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          SO WE ASKED WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 23RD. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION TO MOVE THAT TO WEDNESDAY, THE 17TH I'LL HAPPILY MAKE THAT A PART OF THE MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S, SO THE ELECTION IS TO HOLD MEETINGS ON, UH, UH, THE MEETING IN DECEMBER TO, FROM THE 20TH TO THE 22ND AND MOVE THE MEETING ON THE 23RD TO NOVEMBER 17TH. 
          UH, SO THAT WAS A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ANDERSON SECONDED BY, WOULD THAT BE, UM, BUT VACATION. 
          SO WOULD THAT BE A CONSENT? I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THE ONE IN DECEMBER THAT WE'RE MOVING, IS THAT A CONSENT ONLY? AND THEN THIS, THEN WE GO BACK TO THE THANKSGIVING. 
          ONE IS I CONSENT ONLY TO LET'S GET A QUICK NOVEMBER. 
          REGULAR DECEMBER IS OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT, OKAY, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND, UH, GET, UH, TAKE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          LET'S GO ON ANY DISCUSSION. 
          I FIGURED THIS WOULD BE AN EASY ONE, ANY DISCUSSION. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          HEARING NONE. 
          LET'S GO ON AND VOTE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S, UH, GOT 11. 
          OH. 
          AND THAT TAKES CARE OF THE CALENDAR FOR 2021. 
          AND THEN FOR, UH, THIS COMING 
          [C2. Discussion and possible amendment to the Planning Commission meeting schedule of 2020.]
OUT, UM, LET'S SEE. 
          WE, UM, LONDON CHECK AND SEE IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CORUM. 
          D DO YOU, COULD WE SEE HANDS OF THOSE, THAT PLAN ON, UH, BEING HERE ON THE 24TH OF THIS MONTH? UH, ATTENDING THE MEETING, SAY WE, UM, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE MONTHS LEADING UP REAL QUICK. 
          ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GONNA, WE'LL HAVE KORAN, SO LET'S KEEP THE 24TH. 
          UM, AND, UH, ON THAT ONE, UH, VICE CHAIR HEMPEL WILL CHAIR. 
          I WILL NOT BE IN TOWN AND NOT GUARANTEED TO HAVE GOOD CONDUCTIVITIES, SO, UH, SHE WILL LEAVE OUT MEETING. 
          AND THEN ON DECEMBER, UH, IN A SIMILAR TYPE STRATEGY, WE, WE HAVE A MEETING ON DECEMBER 22ND. 
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UM, AND SO THE, UH, IF WE COULD GO AND PUT UP THE CALENDAR FOR THIS YEAR, DECEMBER SURE. 
          I DIDN'T HAVE ONE PREPARED, BUT IT'S, UM, I HAD, UM, SO THE OPTION WOULD BE TO HAVE A WEDNESDAY MEETING, UH, THAT IS IF WE ARE DOUBTING THAT WE'LL MEET CORE AND HAVE A WEDNESDAY MEETING ON THE 16TH, CAN WE HANDLE THESE? LET'S SEE WHO CAN MAKE THE 22ND, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE A NORMAL DISH DAY, RIGHT BEFORE EVERYTHING WAS WILD. 
          OKAY. 
          SO RAISE A HAND ON THOSE THAT, UH, THERE'LL BE HERE DECEMBER 22ND, THIS YEAR 2020 COMING UP TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S KEEP IT. 
          I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL HAVE FORUM, SO NO CHANGE THERE. 
          SURE. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY IF THAT'S A FOR CONSENT AGENDA, ANY PREFERENCES? I THINK IT WILL BE LIGHTENED, SO, OKAY. 
          SO THERE'S THE WHOLE IDEA THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO, YOU KNOW, DECORATE THEIR HOUSE. 
          SO NOT JUST KIDDING, GET ALL FESTIVE AND EVERYTHING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          SO, UH, ANDREW, THERE'S NO NEED TO VOTE ON THAT CAUSE WE'RE STICKING WITH THE, UH, THE SCHEDULE AS IS, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THAT CLEARS A C1 AND C2, UH, MOVING ON TO, 
          [D. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS]
UM, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UM, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER THOMPSON. 
          YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS ON TOD, SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO REQUEST THAT TO STAFF, UM, UH, PULL SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR US FOR A FUTURE MEETING. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT REQUIRES, UH, A MEETING OR PRESENTATION AS MUCH AS JUST KIND OF AN ANSWER. 
          SO SOME OF US ON THE TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP WE'RE DISCUSSING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE. 
          UM, AND I THINK PROBABLY THE, THE PLANNING PRIORITY SINCE WE JUST PASSED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PROP A, A AND PROJECT CONNECT WOULD BE TO PUT SOME PLANNING IN PLACE FOR, FOR THAT I THINK. 
          AND, AND I THINK WHAT THE TRANSPORTATION GROUP COULD DO IS LOOK AT, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TODD'S RIGHT NOW. 
          SO LIKE THE TODD AND SALTO IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THIS, THE TODD UPDATE GATEWAY. 
          UM, AND SO LIKE, DO WE, DO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SORT OF GLOBAL TODD, YOU KNOW, THAT WHERE THE ZONES ARE CLEARLY DEFINED, THEY COULD BE PLACED, YOU KNOW, HOW THE TOOLKIT WAS USED AND IT COULD BE DEFINED BY ANY INDIVIDUAL, UH, STATION AREA. 
          BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF, IF, IF STAFF WAS EVEN GOING TO CONSIDER, UH, YOU KNOW, REVISING THE CURRENT POD REGULATIONS, IF THEY HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STILL IN THE WORKS. 
          AND SO IT WOULD JUST BE OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THAT KINDA THE QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT STAFF IS WORKING ON ANY CHANGES? AND I GUESS WE COULD, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANYONE FROM STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE LOOKING AT CHANGES PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THE CODES. 
          IS THAT YOUR QUESTION COMMISSIONER? YEAH. 
          AND IF, AND IF WE CAME UP WITH CHANGES, WOULD THEY EVEN ENTERTAIN THEM OR WOULD THEY JUST SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING UNTIL THE LDC GETS BY, SO I'M NOT SURE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE, WE'RE NOT REALLY, WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A FUTURE ITEM. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THAT AND THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO ANSWER IT TONIGHT. 
          THEY CAN JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL SAYING, DON'T BOTHER GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, SIR. 
          COMMISSIONER LAYS ON HYDRO. 
          I CAN CONFER WITH THE APPROPRIATE STAFF AND PREDATOR PROVIDER AS WELL. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT THAT WAY. 
          UM, COMMISSIONER CAUDALIE. 
          YES. 
          LIKE TO ALSO SEE THAT RESPONSE. 
          I'M INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE WILL WE'LL SHARE COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE A LOT OF SENSE FOR US TO HAVE STAFF WITH US TO TALK AND WORK THROUGH THINGS. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW OUR TOBS REQUIRE PARKING AS THOUGH THEY DON'T WANT TO FOSTER TRANSIT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO A STAFF FOR, WAS A PART OF PUTTING TOGETHER A REGULATING 
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PLANS. 
          AND IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR TO ME. 
          HE'S LIKE THE REASON WE HAD TO DO DIFFERENT REGULATING PLANS FOR EACH STATION IS BECAUSE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DIDN'T HAVE THE TOOLS IN IT TO ZONE APPROPRIATELY AROUND THEM. 
          SO WE HAD TO CREATE, CREATE THINGS EACH AND EVERY TIME. 
          AND IT'S JUST A GIANT MESS. 
          EACH ONE OF THEM IS DIFFERENT. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA OWN DIFFERENT PIECES OF PROPERTY AND TRY AND DEVELOP DIFFERENT AREAS OF AUSTIN EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          IT'S A BRAND NEW CHALLENGE AND GAME, AND IT'S JUST THERE, THERE'S NO EFFICIENCIES THERE. 
          SO WE CARE ABOUT HOUSING AND THE TAX BASE AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, LET'S START WITH THE QUESTION. 
          UH, I GUESS COMMISSIONER THOMPSON, IF YOU WANT TO, I KNOW YOU HAVE THE QUESTION, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BROADER IN LIGHT OF THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT AND HAVE STAFF ANSWER AND WE CAN START WITH THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, OKAY. 
          AND THE SECOND ITEM THAT I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IS, UH, AND IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT OUR FUTURE, UH, LOCATION, WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS. 
          AND I THINK FOR A FUTURE, UH, PUTTING, UH, ASKING STAFF, I THINK IN DISCUSSIONS WITH ANDREW, THERE WAS SOME BUDGET CONSIDERATIONS AND THE VICE CHAIR, AND I ARE WONDERING WHO WOULD KIND OF MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          AND IT SOUNDED LIKE, UH, WASN'T REALLY A COUNCIL DECISION SO MUCH AS, UH, JUST KIND OF WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND, UM, UH, BUT IT REALLY, YOU KNOW, AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          SO I THINK, UH, WE CAN MAKE A, UM, OH, JUST A, NOT REALLY A RECKONED FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT JUST A SUGGESTION THAT WE, UH, MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT LOCATION AT CITY HALL. 
          LET'S GO AHEAD AND ADD THAT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM FOR FUTURE AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO WE GOT ANDREW SAYING THAT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE ANYMORE AND COMMISSIONS ARE GOING TO STAY AT, UM, THE COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ALL RIGHT. 
          SO WE DO NOT NEED OKAY. 
          THAT IS VERY GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO NEVERMIND. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE SORT OF JUST ON THE QUESTION OF BEING, YOU CAN STOP US, WHETHER THEY'RE MOVING ON TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME MEANING OR SOME INFORMATION TO THAT, OR WOULD IT BE MORE ADVISABLE FOR US TO HAVE A PRESENTATION? UM, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          YES. 
          I WOULD HOPE THAT WE HAVE THAT AS INDEFINITELY WORKING WITH STAFF AND SEE WHAT WORKS FOR THEM, BUT NOW THE B, AND NOW IT'S THE HOUSING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE WOULD HOPE THAT THEIR GENERAL POLICIES, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT STAND IN THE WAY OF HOUSING COULD STEP ASIDE FOR SOME OF THESE BIGGER DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE'RE BLOCKING VMU AND WHATNOT. 
          SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT COULD BE A BIG DISCUSSION IN PERSON OR TOGETHER WITH STAFF WHENEVER IT WORKS FOR THEM, HOPEFULLY SOME TIME NO LATER THAN JANUARY. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, UH, LET'S GO AHEAD AND PUT THE IVORY. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD, UH, THERE'S A LOT OF NEW, UH, COMMISSIONERS HERE THAT, UH, WOULD BENEFIT FROM THAT, UH, BRIEFING FROM STAFF. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT THEY MAKE FOR SOME GOOD Q AND A, UH, TO KIND OF LEARN KIND OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITS OF STAFF VERSUS THE POLICY DECISIONS AND WHO THAT ANY OF THOSE DECISIONS FOR US WITH. 
          SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE. 
          UH, LET'S SEE, SOMEBODY ELSE, UH, MR. SHAY, YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP AND WE'LL JUST GET TO COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER BMU. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER RIDER. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, SORT OF AN ANALOGOUS THING. 
          THIS ISSUE THAT KEEPS COMING UP ABOUT, UH, WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT INCLUDE IN OUR RECOMMENDATION. 
          UM, WHAT HAS TO BE A SEPARATE PRIVATE, RESTRICTIVE, COVENANT, OR PRIVATE AGREEMENT VERSUS WHAT CAN ACTUALLY BE PART OF OUR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. 
          AND I KNOW WE'VE, I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT A LOT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON, AND IT'S STILL VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET MY HEAD AROUND. 
          UM, AND I KNOW THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY SOME NEW COMMISSIONERS SINCE I'VE JOINED. 
          UM, I, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL SORT OF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT AND WHAT IS JUST OUR PRACTICE OR OUR PREFERENCE, OR THE PREFERENCE ON THE PART OF, UH, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR THE, OR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. 
          SO I KNOW THAT'S A LITTLE BROAD AND VAGUE, BUT, UM, SOME SORT OF BRIEFING FROM STAFF ABOUT PROBABLY THE LAW DEPARTMENT FROM, UH, ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN'T DO AND, AND WHAT, WHY THAT IS THE CASE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
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UH, AND ANDREW, I'M SORRY, YOU'RE, UH, TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH ME THAT I MAY NEED YOU TO COME DOWN AND, UH, CLARIFY THE LEGAL MEMO THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF TURNER COMMISSIONAL HE'S ON ANDREW RIVERA. 
          I BELIEVE IT WAS EITHER, UH, TWO MONTHS AGO OR SO. 
          UM, THERE WAS A MEMO PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION TO THE LAND-USE COMMISSIONS, AND I CAN, UM, RESCIND THAT. 
          UM, BUT, UM, IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A BRIEFING, WE CAN DO SO AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          LET'S, UH, LET'S GO. 
          AND, UM, WE'LL INCLUDE THAT REQUEST TO PUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. 
          UM, AND THEN YEAH, IF YOU COULD SEND THAT MEMO OUT TO THE ENTIRE PC, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. 
          I MEAN, IF THERE WAS A CO-SPONSOR OH, YES. 
          SO WE'VE GOT, UH, LET'S SEE. 
          CO-SPONSOR, UH, COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, RIGHT. 
          HIS HAND FIRST. 
          AND THEN, SO ON THE FIRST ONE, THE DMU PRESENTATION WE HAD, WHO I GUESS THAT WAS COMMISSIONER, UM, UH, ANDY WHO REQUESTED THAT COMMISSIONER ANDERSON AND THE CO-SPONSOR WAS MR. . 
          OKAY. 
          CAN I SERVE AS OUR AND CORRESPOND BY COMMISSIONER? YOU INTERESTED? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE ARE THE TWO FUTURE ITEMS, ANY OTHERS, EXCUSE ME. 
          AND THAT ON THE VMU ON, CAN I JUST CAN, CAN JUST WANT TO GET REAL CLARITY FROM STAFF ON THAT ONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRESENTATION INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, IS IT LEGAL TO PUT IT, YOU KNOW, ON AN, ON A NON FUTURE CORRIDOR? AND THEN THE SECOND IS IF, IF IT IS LEGAL, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY DOING, WHERE ARE THEY GETTING THAT DIRECTION FROM? I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL STATEMENTS, OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED, ET CETERA, ARE THEY GETTING THAT, THAT, THAT DIRECTION FROM, OKAY. 
          AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO JUST TAKE A SECOND TO SAY THAT I TOO IS AS COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT UP ON, YOU KNOW, THE INDIVIDUAL STAFF THAT ARE, ARE BRINGING FORWARD INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING HARD. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW ALL OF THESE DIRECTIONS AND ALL THESE POLICIES I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AT WHERE IS THAT POLICY? CAUSE I, I THOUGHT WE HAD CLEARED THAT UP IT, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS AGO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, LET'S CALL IT FOR A FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. UH, COMMISSIONER IS OUR COMMENT ON  AND THE OTHER ONE IS ONE LIFTS STAFF. 
          WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT A SPEAKING SHARE, UM, IN GRASP HIS CONDITION. 
          AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, IN ADVANCE, WE CAN PROVIDE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BEFORE THE MEETING. 
          SO STAFF CAN BE PREPARED OR INCLUDE THEM IN THEIR VISITATION WHEN PRESENTING. 
          SO I THINK JUST TO MR. THOMPSON'S BACK, IF WE FEEL LIKE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE SEEKING ARE NOT BEING ANSWERED, THEN WE CAN SORT OF SEND THEM AHEAD OF TIME. 
          SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S KIND OF MY HOPE. 
          AND INSTEAD OF STAFF HAVING TO GUESS EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT OR TRYING TO PURSUE THIS WHOLE MEETING, MAYBE WE JUST ALL KIND OF PUT OUR THOUGHTS TO AN EMAIL INSTEAD OF ANDREW INDIVIDUALLY, AND HE CAN COLLECT THEM AND PASS THEM ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, UH, I'LL START THAT, UH, IN A REQUEST TO ANDREW ON WHAT I HEARD TODAY AND MOVE IT ALONG. 
          THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER SHEA. 
          UM, I WAS WONDERING, WE GET A SNAPSHOT ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING ON OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE WHAT WE SAW TODAY FROM, UM, UM, MICROWAVE AND, UH, LOOKS LIKE, UM, OUR, YOU KNOW, HOUSING BLUEPRINT HAD THESE ASPIRATIONS. 
          I WANT TO SEE HOW WE'RE DOING, WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          UM, LET'S GET A SNAPSHOT OF HOW WE'RE DOING, BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT CAN MAYBE HELP US HELP THE DEVELOPERS HELP CITY STAFF TO AT LEAST GET A FEEL FOR HOW WE STAND AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET BACK ON TRACK. 
          MAYBE IT'S JUST A LITTLE REPORT CARD. 
          SO, UM, I AGREE. 
          AND I THOUGHT WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT AT A PREVIOUS, WHEN WE HAD THE OTHER PRESENTATION THAT WE ASKED FOR THAT AS A FOLLOWUP IN MY I'M SEEING A LOT OF HEAD NODDING. 
          SO, UM, WELL JUST TO MAKE A FORMAL SURVEY, I'M GOING TO GO ON AND PUT THAT IN THE EMAIL AS WELL. 
          SO DO I HAVE A CO-SPONSOR C FISHER CAUDALIE? ARE YOU CO-SPONSORING OR DO YOU HAVE A, YEAH, I WANT IT TO CO-SPONSOR, BUT I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING IF IT'S POSSIBLE. 
          UM, IT'S JUST A SPECIFICATION. 
          IF ALONG WITH THAT SNAPSHOT, WE GET A SNAPSHOT, NOT ONLY OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT SOME OF THE GEOGRAPHY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AUSTIN, THE DISTRIBUTION OF IT, UM, HOW EVENLY IT'S DISTRIBUTED, WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK I'M IN THE PRESENTATION TODAY, WE SAW, YOU KNOW, HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT DISTRICT THREE. 
          WELL, I THINK LET'S, LET'S KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD POINT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'VE GOT THREE, A COMMISSIONER ANDERSON. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHEN WE REQUESTED THIS A FEW MONTHS AGO, I THINK WE ALSO WANTED TO GET 
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THE MARKET RATE RESPONSE ALSO, HOW ARE WE DOING, BECAUSE WE KNEW THE GOAL EACH YEAR, ARE WE COMING IN WAY SHORT? AND IF SO, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? BUT IT BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ANY OTHERS FUTURE, UH, COMMISSIONERS ARE, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF AND STAFF CAN DECIDE TO ANSWER THIS BY EMAILS, BUT I'M FINE WITH THAT. 
          UM, BUT COMMISSIONER THOMPSON HAD SUGGESTED IS OUR LIMITATION ON OUR ABILITY TO AMEND THE CODE AT ALL IN ANY WIND FARM AT THIS MOMENT, IF THEY, THEN I THINK WE WILL HAVE MORE FLAGS THAN WHAT WE CAN NOT ONLY DO WITH DVDS. 
          WE WORK WITH THE COURTS AS WELL. 
          UM, I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE SOMEBODY FROM STAFF THAT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          WE CAN ANSWER THAT LATER ON BY EMAIL AS WELL. 
          I'M FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          LET'S UH, LET'S ROLL THAT INTO THE EMAIL AND THEN I THINK WE WILL START SOME DIALOGUE THAT WAY. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THESE CHURA GENDA ITEMS AND NOW, UH, WE'RE KINDA GONNA 
          [E. BOARDS, COMMITTEES & WORKING GROUPS UPDATES]
CLOSE OUT WITH, UM, THE BOARD COMMITTEES, UH, WORKING IN GROUPS UPDATES. 
          AND WHAT I WILL SAY ON THIS ITEM IS I WAS GOING TO ASK THOSE THAT ARE KIND OF IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS IN THE VARIOUS WORKING GROUPS. 
          UH, I KNOW MY, UH, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING GROUP, UH, THAT, UM, I'M ON ALONG WITH, UM, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES, UH, AND, UH, COMMISSIONER YANAS POLITO. 
          UH, WE HAVEN'T MET IN A WHILE. 
          AND SO I'LL BE ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE MIGHT BE STUCK IN THIS COVID UNIVERSE FOR AWHILE. 
          AND SO I'M GOING TO BE REQUESTING, BUT THAT RIGHT THERE WE GO AHEAD AND DO A VIRTUAL MEETING AND STAFF SET THIS UP KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. 
          UH, DO YOU ALL THAT ARE ON THE OTHER, UH, WORKING GROUPS AND COMMITTEES? UM, DO YOU FEEL LIKE IF YOU'VE BEEN ON PAUSE, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN MEETING WHEN IMPORTANT CASES COME UP, UH, JUST TO SPEAK TO, UM, HOW YOU'RE DOING AS FINE, UH, COMMISSIONER SHEA. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MEET, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC CASES IN FRONT OF US. 
          SO THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A ERROR IN, I THINK, HOW STAFF WAS HAVING ON THE POSTING OF IT, BUT WE WERE SET TO MEET, TO DISCUSS TOPICS OF LIKE THE OUTER AREAS OF AUSTIN THAT'S CHANGING REALLY QUICKLY. 
          AND WE WERE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, HOW PLANNING CAN HELP IN THOSE AREAS, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SO MUCH WE'RE PLAYING IS LOOKING AT CENTRAL AREAS AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS. 
          IT'S MUCH A GENTRIFIED PRETTY QUICKLY. 
          AND THERE'S, THERE'S NO IDEA. 
          THERE'S NO REGULATING CONCEPT OF ANYTHING OUT THERE. 
          SO WE WERE SET TO DISCUSS, BUT, UM, WE STAFF CANCELED BECAUSE OF SOME, UM, I GUESS CLIPS, OFFICE POSTING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN ERA, BUT WE ARE ACTIVELY MOVING. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, HOW ABOUT CODES AND ORDINANCES, ANY UPDATES AND KIND OF PLANS TO MEET? HOW DO YOU GUYS DOING WE'VE HAD NO ITEMS COME FORWARD, SO WE'RE CANCELING OUR NEXT MEETING AS OF RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU GUYS, IS THAT KIND OF HOW YOU OPERATE IT'S BASED ON THINGS THAT KIND OF PENDING ON YOUR AGENDA AND OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S JUST LIKE A LOT OF SCARINESS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT AUSTIN'S EVEN ALLOWED TO UPDATE ITS CODE DUE TO THE EXTREME RULING. 
          SO WE DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, UM, AND THEN, UH, I GUESS COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER, DID YOU HAVE A JOINT SUSTAINABILITY MEETING? I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO MEET, UM, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE DID. 
          UM, UH, WE SORT OF GOT, UH, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT YOU HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE. 
          IT'S, THERE'S NOTHING OF INTEREST I THINK FOR, FOR PLANNING. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL SAY, UM, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER ANDERSON, YOU MIGHT ALREADY KNOW THIS, THAT THE UT I SAW A LETTER I'VE WORKED THERE THAT KIND OF CAME THROUGH, I WOULD SEND TO ME FROM STUDENTS AND STAFF SUPPORTING AUSTIN'S CLIMATE EQUITY PLAN AND ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR UT TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          SO IT IS HAVING A RIPPLE EFFECT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, SO I DID NOTICE THAT SO MONDAY, SOUTH CENTRAL WATERFRONT. 
          OKAY. 
          MY DOG HAS SOMETHING TO SAY THERE. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          AND MAY CONTINUE IN A MOMENT. 
          SO ANYTHING ON THE SOUTH CENTRAL, I THINK, DID YOU COME IN ON THAT, RIGHT? YES, WE WILL MEET ON MONDAY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'M GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IN MY, OVER THE MOBILITY AND 
          [02:00:01]
TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP, UH, I KNOW YOU GUYS QUEUED UP SOME QUESTIONS. 
          ARE YOU GUYS MEETING IT OR WE HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY MET, UM, I'M TRYING TO ARRANGE A MEETING. 
          SO I GUESS IF EVERYONE CAN CHECK THEIR EMAIL, UH, I SENT TO A POLL FOR WHEN WE COULD HAVE A MEETING. 
          I'VE JUST HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS ON THE PHONE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          A CONDITIONER IS OUR SERVICE IS GOING TO ASK SINCE IT IS NOT LIKE IF IT'S A WORKING GROUP, I DO NOT NEED TO BE DISAPPOINTED. 
          WHY NOT? WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME TO BE MOVED INTO THOSE CONVERSATIONS? I'M FAR MORE YOU'RE ON IT. 
          SO ANSWER THE POLL FOR ME. 
          SO, UH, JUST SO COMMISSIONER ZAHRA IS ON THE MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION WORKING GROUP. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS MAYBE NOT PRETTY MUCH. 
          WELL, WE CAN, I CAN ADD THEM. 
          IT DOESN'T BREAK. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST DIDN'T HAVE THEM HERE ON MY LIST EITHER. 
          SO, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE THAT CHANGE. 
          YES. 
          SHOULD COMMISSIONER IS OUR WISH TO BE ON THE WORKING GROUP WHERE YOU WOULD HAVE TO PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA TO ADD HIM. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO CAN WE DO THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING? SURE. 
          UH, I GUESS WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING BECAUSE, UH, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU FIND OUT MIKA FEATURES IN THE ITEM. 
          WE'LL DO HAVE NOMINATIONS AND LIKE ESSENTIALLY DO DISCUSS AND TAKE ACTION ON, UM, OUR WORKING GROUP AND TO SEE IF OTHER FOLKS WOULD WANT TO BE ON IT AS WELL. 
           REQUIREMENTS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          SO I, THAT IS THE WE'RE, UH, WE'RE FINISHED WITH OUR AGENDA. 
          SO, UH, JUST ANY FINAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE ADJOURN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          IT'S UH, ALMOST GOTTEN DONE BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK IT'S EIGHT OH FIVE AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANKS TARA. 
          THANKS TO EVERYBODY. 
          HI EVERYBODY. 
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