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AUGUST 24TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER IF WE HAVE A QUORUM, UM, THE TIME IS 6 0 6 AND DOUBLE START WITH A ROLL CALL.

I'LL JUST GO THROUGH, UM, UH, THE NAMES, UH, JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AND ANNOUNCE YOURSELF.

UH, SO LET'S SEE, WE HAVE MYSELF THE CHAIR.

UH, WE HAVE VICE-CHAIR HEMPEL.

YES.

UH, OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, CZAR.

UM, MAYBE WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A SECOND.

I SEE HIS NAME, BUT I DON'T SEE HIS FACE.

UH, LET'S GO INTO, GO DOWN THE ROAD.

WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS, UM, CAUDALIE, COMMISSIONER CUPS, UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD, UH, COMMISSIONER, YOU AND HIS PALITO.

UH, THANK COMMISSIONER.

MR. TODDLER SAID SHE'D BE A BIT LATE, UH, COMMISSIONER PRAXIS, UH, COMMISSIONER SNYDER HERE.

THANK YOU.

AND OUT, UH, COMMISSIONER FLORES IS OUT.

UM, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SHEA, UM, WILL NOT MAKE IT, UH, EITHER.

UM, AND EX OFFICIOS THIS EVENING, WE HAVE, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, COHEN AND I THINK, UM, THAT'S IT FOR ASSETS ISSUES THIS EVENING.

AND, UH, LET'S SEE.

WE DO HAVE, OH, MY NAME, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ON RECORD.

YES.

SORRY.

YES.

COMMISSIONER THOMPSON.

I APOLOGIZE.

YOU'RE PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

UH, AND AGAIN, COMMISSIONER IS, ARE CHECKING YOU IN.

THANK YOU, SO, OKAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE GOT GOOD ATTENDANCE THIS EVENING.

UM, SO THIS, UH, JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU ALL TO HAVE YOUR FILLER CARDS, UM, GREEN, RED, YELLOW, UH, FOR VOTING AVAILABLE, UH, REMAIN MUTED WHEN YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING AND, UH, RAISED THEIR HAND TO BE RECOGNIZED, UH, FOR PARTICIPANTS OUT THERE, STAR SIX TO UNMUTE, UH, WHEN YOUR EYES IS PULLED, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN ON THE LINE.

YOU WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL ABOUT 15 MINUTES AWAY FROM TAKING UP YOUR ITEM.

UH, SO, UH, REAL QUICK, WE'RE GONNA, UH, BEFORE WE GO INTO THE AGENDA ITEM, UM, UH, JUST WANTED TO, UM, MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

UH, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE KNOWN, UH, JIM SCHISSLER, UH, WITH A GREAT STYLE.

I'M HERE TO ANNOUNCE TO YOU ALL OF IT.

UH, JIM DIED OF CANCER LAST TUESDAY.

UM, I WORKED WITH JIM THROUGH, UH, TWO VERSIONS OF THE LAND CODE AND HE WAS PARLIAMENTARIAN, UH, SERVING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION FROM 2015 TO 2019.

AND, UM, WHAT I RECALL ABOUT JIM AND, UH, IS HE NUMBER ONE THING I NOTICED HE HAD REALLY GREAT TIES.

THAT'S WHY I'M HONORING HIM BY WEARING A TIE TO SEE EVENING.

THIS ONE DOES NOT EVEN, UH, REALLY, UH, DO JUSTICE.

UH, JIM HAD SOME REALLY GREAT TIES.

I WAS REALLY JEALOUS AND HE WORE THEM TO EVERY MEETING, UH, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, JIM, UM, AS A, UH, AN ENGINEER THAT WORKED IN THE DEVELOPMENT INDUSTRY.

AND ACTUALLY I GOT A CHANCE TO WORK WITH HIM ON SEVERAL US AND ENERGY PROJECTS, UH, WHERE WE'RE EXTENDING CHILLED WATER TO SOME HIGH RISES DOWNTOWN.

UM, SHE HAS BROUGHT, UM, JUST A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT CODES, UH, DESIGN PRINCIPLES, AND COSTS.

A LOT OF TIMES IT WOULD BE VERY, IT'D BE VERY GOOD TO HAVE HIS PERSPECTIVE TO KNOW WHAT WAS POSSIBLE AND WHAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT VARIOUS, UH, ZONINGS, UM, THAT WE'RE INVESTIGATING AS PART OF THE CODE PROCESS.

SO, UH, DEFINITELY, UM, WE HAVE AN ITEM ON, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UH I'M TO ON FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS, UH, TO SEE IF I CAN GET SOMEBODY TO SUPPORT A, UH, IN OUR NEXT MEETING, JUST A FURTHER REMEMBRANCE OF JIM WITH SOME SPEAKERS.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL MOVE THAT WHEN WE GET TO IT A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE AGENDA, BUT, UM, YEAH, IT'S, UH, IT'S REALLY SAD.

WE'VE LOST, UH, ONE OF OUR FINEST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSIONER MEMBERS.

[Reading of Agenda]

SO MOVING ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, UM, THIS EVENING, UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR THOSE LIFTS IN THE, OUR FIRST ACTIVITY, UH,

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IS WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH WILL INCLUDE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES AND THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS THAT ARE CONSENT POSTPONEMENTS ARE NOW IN DISCUSSION ITEMS. UH, I WILL READ EACH OF THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND IDENTIFY THOSE THAT ARE CONSENT POSTPONEMENT OR NON-DISCUSSION.

UM, IF YOU ARE WAITING ON THE LINE, UM, TO DISCUSS AN ITEM THAT IS, UH, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, NOT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

AND, UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO, UH, UH, PULL OUT THE CONSENT, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

UM, THIS WE'RE REALLY THROUGH THE ITEMS, UM, AS WELL AS THE CONDITIONERS TOO.

SO THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE, UM, ON CONSENT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE AUGUST 10TH, 2021 MEETING.

DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, CHANGES TO THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST MEETING? OKAY, WELL, MOVE THOSE AS, AS, UM, AS THEY ARE.

UM, NOW I'M GONNA MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, AND THIS WILL TAKE A LITTLE WHILE WE HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS ON THE LIST.

UH, I'LL TRY TO RUN THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY.

AND, UH, I WILL POINT OUT THAT FOR ITEM B 13, UH, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, UH, THAT ITEM IS GOING TO REMAIN ON CONSENT, BUT WE DID HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK NEUTRALLY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM DO THAT DURING THIS, UH, CONSENT AGENDA, UH, DELIBERATIONS.

SO, UH, AT THAT TIME, ONCE I GET THROUGH THE LIST, UH, ANDREW, UH, MR. RIVERA'S GONNA HELP ME, UM, KIND OF NAVIGATE THROUGH THE SPEAKERS.

SO LET'S GO AND GET STARTED, UM, RUNNING THROUGH, UH, AGENDA ITEM B PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, ITEM B.

ONE IS, UH, WE HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT NTA 20 21 0 0 2 NINE.ZERO ONE DOT S H 10 21 EAST ST.

JOHN'S.

UH, THIS IS POSTPONED BY STAFF TO SEPTEMBER 14TH, ITEM B TO C 14 DESK 2021 S H 10 21 EAST ST.

JOHN'S.

UM, SIMILARLY POSTPONED SEPTEMBER 14TH, WE HAVE B3 PLAN AMENDMENT NPA 20 21 0 0 2 ZERO.ZERO ONE SHELBY LANE RESIDENCES.

UH, THIS IS STAFF INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT ITEM BEFORE C 14, 20 21.

AS THERE WAS 0 1 5 SHELBY LANE RESIDENCES IN STAFF, INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT THAT'S RE REZONING, UH, FOR THEN ITEM, UH, ITEM B FIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IN PA 2021 DESK 0 2 6 0 1, GRADY AND BROWNIE AND MIXED USE.

UH, THIS IS APPLICANT POSTPONEMENTS IS SEPTEMBER 14TH AND, UH, ITEM B SIX, REZONING C 14 DASH 2021.

DESTIN WAS 0 3 9 RADIANT BROWNIE MIXED USE AGAIN, APPLICANT POSTPONEMENT TO SEPTEMBER 14TH, ITEM B SEVEN, REZONING C 14 DASH 20 21 0 0 9 17 25 TUNI ROAD.

UH, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM RECOMMENDED BY STAFF .

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ITEM B EIGHT REZONING C 14 DASH 2021 DASH 0 1 1 5, CLAWSON HEIGHTS, RESIDENTIAL.

UH, THIS ITEM IS ON CONSENT, UH, ITEM B NINE REZONINGS C 14 20 21.

THAT'S 0 1, 1, 1 THAT, UH, PARCEL ONE, 300 AND 301 PRESSLER AND 1505 WEST THIRD STREET.

UH, THIS ITEM IS ON CONSENT.

WE HAVE ITEM B 10 REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 THAT'S 2021 DESK, 0 1 1 2, PARCEL TWO AT 300 AND 301 PRESSLER AND 1505 WITH THIRD STREET.

UM, IT IS ON CONSENT.

B 11 REZONING C 14 DASH 2021 DESK 0 1, 1 3, PARCEL THREE, 300 AND 301 PRESSLER AND 1505 WEST THIRD STREET.

UH, THIS ITEM IS ALSO CONSENT, UH, MOVING TO B 12 REZONING FEET, UH, C 14.

YES, UH, DESK 2021 DASH 0 1 0 1.

VERIDAY SQUARE.

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UH, THIS IS ON CONSENT ITEM B 13 REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 DASH 2021 DOES 0 0 1 7 57 0 8 SPRINGDALE ROAD.

UM, THIS IS THE ITEM WE'LL HEAR FROM SPEAKERS DURING, UH, RIGHT AFTER I GET DONE HERE.

UM, UH, BUT THIS IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM D 14 REZONING CASE NUMBER C 14 H S 2021 DASH 0 1 1 6, TRAVIS COUNTY FIRE CONTROL TEAM OPERATION CENTER.

THIS ONE IS, UH, ON CONSENT B 15.

THIS IS A APPEAL DENIAL, A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, UM, ITEM C 14 H THAT'S 2 0 0 4 0 0 8 H R 2021 DASH 0 8 5 7 3 9.

MITCHELL ROBERTSON BUILDING.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM, UM, THIS EVENING, UH, MOVING ON TO B 16 CODE AMENDMENT CASE NUMBER C 20 DASH 2021 DASH 0 0 7 NORTH BURNETT GATEWAY, PARKLAND DEDICATION DECIDE OF HIS OWN CONSENT, UH, MOVING TO THE 17 PLANT VACATION CASE NUMBER C A DASH 2017 DESK 0 1 2 FOUR.ONE, A, UM, PARENTHESES V A C T S H LIKE FIELD, UH, PLAT VACATION.

THIS IS ON CONSENT.

WE HAVE A, UH, ITEM D 18 FINAL PLAT C EIGHT S 2020 DASH 0 0 2 1 DOT OH, A FORT FORT BRANCH CREEK SUBDIVISION.

THIS IS A CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS.

UH, DISPROVAL THE REASONS ARE SHOWN IN EXHIBIT C OF THE BACKUP.

AND, UH, LASTLY WE HAVE ITEM B 19 FINAL FLAT FROM APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAN, UH, CASE NUMBER C H DASH 20 18 0 1 6 5 DOT THREE, A CASCADES AT ONION CREEK EAST PHASE THREE.

IT'S APPROVED WITH CONSISTENT CONDITIONS.

THIS ITEM IS ON CONSENT.

AND, UM, SO JUST REVIEWING QUICKLY, WE HAVE THE MINUTES, UH, WE HAVE, UM, ALL THE ITEMS I READ IT'S THAT THE ITEMS WE HAVE FOR DISCUSSION, WHICH INCLUDE, GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE.

ITEM THESE SEVEN, UM, ITEM B 15.

OKAY.

AND I'M MISSING ONE HERE.

LET'S SEE.

SO ALL WE HAVE THIS EVENING, ANDREW, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE SPEAKERS.

YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD AND, UM, UM, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER WE HEAR FROM SPEAKERS ON B 13, UH, ANDREW, YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND LEAD US THROUGH THE SPEAKER LIST.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

SO WE'LL HEAR FROM MS. NADIA BARBA, MS. BARBARA SELECT STAR SIX.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

OKAY.

MOVE ALONG.

WE'LL HEAR FROM MR. WILLIAMS STOUT SELECT STAR SIX.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

CHAIR, COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ANDREW.

HER THIS CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS.

I DO NOT HAVE THEM ON THE TELECONFERENCE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

UM, QUICKLY A FEW OTHER ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, COMMISSIONERS THAT NEED TO RECUSE THEMSELVES FROM ANY OF THE ITEMS THIS EVENING? OKAY.

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UH, ANY COMMISSIONERS WISH TO PULL, UM, ITEMS FROM THE AGENDA THAT WERE I'VE I F I D IDENTIFIED AS BEING ON CONSENT.

OKAY.

UM, SO, UH, I'M GOING TO JUST REAL QUICKLY READ THROUGH THE NUMBERS, UH, REAL QUICK THAT WE'RE, UM, WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM AUGUST 10TH.

WE HAVE ITEMS, UH, V1 V2, V3, V4 B FIVE, B SIX, B EIGHT, THE 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17, THE 18 AND 19 ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[Consent Agenda]

UH, WITH THAT, CAN I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? JUST TO CLARIFY THE B ONE THROUGH SIX WERE POSTPONED TWO TO THE 14TH, EXCEPT FOR THREE AND FOUR, WHICH WERE INDEFINITE.

AND THAT B 18, THE CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS, AND B 19 CONSENT WITH CONDITIONS THAT THOSE CONDITIONED AND APPROVAL ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT.

UH, YEAH.

YES.

ITEMS B A ONE THROUGH SIX ARE POSTPONED.

AND THEN WHAT WAS YOUR SECOND POINT COMMISSIONER? THE 18 SAYS DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS.

AND, AND THAT THOSE REASONS ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THAT B 19 IS CONSENT WITH CONDITIONS AND THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE IN THE STUFFER.

YES.

CORRECT.

UM, EXHIBITS ARE FOR D 18 EXHIBIT C AND THE STAFF REPORT, UH, CONTAINS THE REASONS.

AND THEN FOR B THE CONDITIONS, WELL, LET ME, UM, IT SAYS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

UH, MR. RIVERA, CAN YOU CONFIRM, ARE THOSE ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE CONDITIONS FOR ON HER? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.

AND ALSO I HAVE THE, UH, A COUPLE OF SPEAKERS FOR .

OKAY.

UM, THEN LET'S GO AHEAD AND HOLD OFF ON THOSE IN THE HEARING.

BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE MINUTE, WE ARE IN MEETING THEM.

MICHELLE, CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION, PULLING A BORDER? UH, ART WAS THE POST-OP CITIZEN COMMUNICATION.

WE, WE ARE, AND WE, I WAS NOTIFIED BY MR. RIVERA THAT, UH, THE PERSON THAT WAS WANTING TO SPEAK WAS NOT ACTUALLY PRESENT.

SO YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPEAKERS TODAY.

THANK YOU.

CHAIR COMMISSION, LIAISON, AND VARIOUS, OR THE INDIVIDUAL IS NOW ON THE LINE.

SHE WAS ALSO ONE OF THE SPEAKERS FOR B 13.

SO, UM, WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THAT AFTER THE CONSENT AGENDA.

OKAY.

WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THE CITIZENS COMMUNICATION, CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO NOW IF WE'LL HEAR FROM MISS BARBA, UH, Y'ALL HAVE, UH, THREE MINUTES SELECT STAR SIX.

HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? HI.

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY, GREAT.

HI, MY NAME IS NADIA BARBEAU I'M SECRETARY OF PSS AND A, AND ALSO ON THE DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'M SPEAKING ON B 13.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT SINCE JANUARY OF THIS YEAR, ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS, UM, OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND MY SUB COLUMBUS HAS MET FOR, UM, DOZENS OF MEETINGS, EMAILS, AND PHONE CALLS TO HEAR FROM ALL PARTIES AND DEANS CONSENSUS ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD ON 57 AND EIGHT SPRINGDALE.

UM, THE DEVELOPER TODAY, THE DEVELOPER, AND OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS, THE DEVELOPER AND THEIR AGENT HAVE AGREED TO MANY OF OUR REQUESTS TO MAKE THIS DEVELOPMENT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJOINING BUSINESS AND PROVIDED COMMUNITY BENEFITS FOR ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH WE APPRECIATE.

SO WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, INITIALLY I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE OTHER SIDE NOTES.

UM, PLEASE.

UM, INITIALLY WE WERE ASKING FOR A COMPLETE MORATORIUM ON ALL DEVELOPMENTS AND REZONING CASES, BECAUSE DURING THE PANDEMIC, IT HAS BEEN EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO COORDINATE A RESPONSE TO THESE COMPLEX CHANGES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

UM, WE HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND NEW UNITS ALREADY COMING TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BOUNDARIES IN THE PAST THREE YEARS.

UM, AND WE'RE EXTREMELY COMBATIVE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COMBINED IMPACT OF THESE

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DEVELOPMENTS.

UM, WITH THAT IN MIND, I HAVE THREE REQUESTS THAT ARE NOT RELATED TO THIS DIRECT DEVELOPMENT, ONE COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS TO A COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS, AND THREE I'M A NEW POSITION TO COORDINATE DEVELOPMENTS WITH NEIGHBORHOOD DIRECTLY, UM, ON THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, UM, OUR ROADS ARE EXTREMELY UNSAFE WITH ALL OF THESE HUNDREDS OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PECAN SPRINGS AND SPRINGDALE HILLS AREA.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE COMPREHENSIVE SIDEWALKS OR LIGHTING OR CROSSWALKS OR PROTECTED BIKE LANES OR OTHER FEATURES THAT MAKE WORDS SAFE.

UM, OUR FAMILIES AND OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE ATTENTION TO THE TRAFFIC AND SAFETY ISSUES.

UM, SECOND, WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL.

UM, OUR NATURAL RESOURCES ARE HIGHLY AT RISK WITH ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, UM, AND OUR, OUR NEIGHBORS NPSS KNEW DIRECTLY AND MOST THE COMMISSIONERS ARE AWARE AND HAVE RECEIVED NOTICES FROM AUSTIN WATER THAT THEY SHOULD PURCHASE FLOOD INSURANCE.

UM, BUT THEN WE HEAR FROM CITY PLANNERS THAT ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THEIR WATER CONTAINED ONSITE.

UM, THIS IS A HUGE LIKE ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ALL THE TIME THAT DOES NOT, THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPREHENSIVELY ADDRESSED.

UM, AND IN THIS, UM, THIS CASE, I THINK YOU'RE ALREADY TALKING ABOUT THE ROUTINE.

UM, WE HAD ANOTHER AREA WHERE THEY TOOK DOWN THE 200 TO 300 TREES, JUST IN ONE BLOCK.

UM, NPSS ANY BOUNDARIES, UM, TO MAKE WAY FOR A LARGE COMPLEX, UM, BUT WE NEED THIS COMPREHENSIVE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS.

UM, AND THEN FINALLY, I THINK WE NEED A NEW POSITION WITHIN MAYBE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO COORDINATE THESE PROCESSES, UM, WITHIN NEIGHBORHOODS DIRECTLY, SOMEONE WHO ALMOST AS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU.

AND NOW, WHILE WE'RE HERE, UM, FOR MS. XENOPHOBIA, JOSEPH AND MRS. AND ABBY, JOSEPH, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 13, MS. JUSTICE SELECT STAR SIX.

OKAY.

MOVING ALONG TO MR. WILLIAMS DOUBT, MR. ONE-STAR STAR STAR SIX.

OKAY.

THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS ON ITEM 13.

THANK YOU, MR. RIVERA.

SO I'M TAKING UP WHERE WE LEFT OFF.

UM, WE WERE, UH, I WAS LOOKING, DOES ANYBODY NEED ME TO READ THE CONSENT AGENDA AGAIN? ARE WE CLEAR? UM, OKAY.

DO I HAVE A MOTION TO, UM, FLOATS PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, WHICH INCLUDES THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE CHAIR, HEMPHILL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SNYDER.

UH, BOTH ON THAT.

OKAY.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT.

UM, SO WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND, UH, THE FIRST, UH, WE HAVE, UM,

[B7. Rezoning: C14-2021-0009 - 1725 Toomey Rd; District 5]

IS ITEM B SEVEN AND, UH, WE'LL HEAR FROM STAFF THAT'D BEFORE THAT.

I JUST WANT TO, UM, ASK MS. RIVERA.

UM, CAN YOU PLEASE EMCEE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, YOU KNOW, ANNOUNCING THE SPEAKERS AND THEIR, UH, WHEN THE TIME THAT'S ENDED.

TOTALLY.

SO LET'S HEAR FROM, UH, STAFF, UH, IF YOU CAN, UH, PLEASE PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

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WE HAVE STAFF ON THE LINE CHAIR.

UH, BEAR WITH ME JUST A ONE MINUTE.

OKAY.

MAYBE EXPERIENCING TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

CHAIR COMMISSION, LIAISON, AND VERA, IF WE COULD RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONERS WILL RETURN AT, UH, 6 42.

THANK YOU.

HE WILL BE, UM, GO AHEAD AND, UH, BREAK UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK.

UM, I'LL SEE YOU BACK THEN.

THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

THIS IS ANDREW LIAISON TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME ON THIS ALLIANCE, WE WILL ALL TRY AGAIN AT 7:00 PM.

IF YOU'LL PLEASE CALL BACK IN AT 7:00 PM.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND WE'LL HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT HERE IN A FEW MINUTES AND, UH, WE WILL PROBABLY TAKE UP A FEW OF THE, UH, LATTER ITEMS, UM, ON THE AGENDA, BUT NOT THE HELP PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT WE'LL WAIT TO HEAR FROM ANDREW.

OKAY.

CHAIR COMMISSION LIAISON, ANDREW VERA.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE ARE HAVING DIFFICULTIES OR, UM, UH, CHAIR.

DO YOU WANT TO COME INTO THE MEETING, CALL IT BACK TO ORDER? OKAY.

UH, YES.

UM, HERE SHAW, WE'RE BRINGING THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER AT 7:18 PM.

UM, UM, MR. RIVERA, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US A STATUS OF THE TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OF, UH, HOW WE ADDRESS THE PUBLIC HEARINGS? YES, SIR.

SO IT APPEARS WE'RE HAVING, UH, DIFFICULTIES WITH THE APPLICATION FOR, UH, THAT WE HEAR FROM PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND STAFF.

UH, THE UNMUTE FUNCTION IS NOT WORKING, SO WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO, UH, GO FORWARD WITH THE TWO REMAINING ITEMS, UM, THAT WE HAD PLANNED TO HEAR THIS EVENING.

SO THOSE ITEMS WILL BE URI NOTIFIED, UH, THE PUBLIC WALL RECEIVERS, NOTICE OF THE NEW PUBLIC HEARING DATES.

UM, AND, AND WE ALSO ASK THAT THEY, UM, CONTACT THEIR CASE MANAGER, UM, WHO CAN ALSO, UH, KEEP THEM ABREAST OF THE STATUS OF THOSE CASES.

THANK YOU.

AND, UM, I THINK, W ARE WE ABLE TO TAKE UP ITEMS ONE AND D ONE WHILE THE REMAINDER OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THIS EVENING? OKAY, SURE.

I'M WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM STAFF.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE.

UM, BUT IN REGARDS TO THE AUSTIN ENERGY, UM, BRIEFING, UH, WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM STAFF.

SO IF I'LL GO ON TO, UH,

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UM, OUR HYBRID MEETING DISCUSSION.

OKAY.

AND ARE YOU, UM, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO HELP US, UH, WITH QUESTIONS WE HAVE ON THE HYBRID MEETINGS AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON TIMING AND WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE? YES.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

SO GO AHEAD.

IF YOU'RE READY, I CAN JUST DELVE INTO IT.

[D1. Discussion regarding future hybrid meetings. (Co-Sponsors Chair Shaw and Vice-Chair Hempel)]

YEAH.

SO COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM D ONE.

UH, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS, UM, THE HYBRID MEETINGS, UH, THAT WILL, UM, BE MOVING INTO AWAY FROM THE FULLY VIRTUAL SETUP THAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO I'M SURE TRICIA.

YES.

YES WE HAVE.

DO WE HAVE A QUORUM? NOPE.

LET ME COUNT 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A QUORUM NOW.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO MY ATTENTION.

YES.

FOLKS, GO AHEAD AND STAY ON THE SCREEN THERE.

SO WE MAINTAIN QUORUM AND, UH, YES.

SO ITEM D ONE, UH, MR. RIVERA WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE ON WHEN WE WILL GO TO THE HYBRID FORMAT AND WHAT THAT WILL CONSIST OF.

THANK YOU, CHERISH.

SO, UM, AFTER SEPTEMBER 1ST, THE CURRENT TOMO, UH, TEMPORARY ROLES, WELL, UH, TO OUR UNDERSTANDING WILL EXPIRE.

AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT, UM, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE, UM, IN PERSON TESTIMONY FROM THE PUBLIC, THE AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS PERMITTED THE COMMISSIONS CURRENTLY THAT ARE, UM, THAT ARE TELEVISED TO GO FORWARD WITH HAVING HYBRID MEETINGS.

SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE OR WHAT THAT ALLOWS THAT ALLOWS SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY, BUT A QUORUM OF THE COMMISSION MUST BE PRESENT IN CHAMBERS, INCLUDING THE COMMISSIONER CONDUCTING THE MEETING.

SO THAT WOULD BE SEVEN MEMBERS ON THE DYES AND THE REMAINDER COULD BE VIDEO CONFERENCED, SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WITH THE VIDEO CONFERENCING FOR A COMMISSIONER TO BE NOTED AS ATTENDING AND PARTICIPATING.

THEY MUST BE ON VIEW IN VIEW, ON THE CAMERA AND SHED THAT, UM, NO LONGER BE AVAILABLE, THEY WILL BE NOTED AS OFF THE DIOCESE.

SO THAT COULD AFFECT A QUORUM DURING THE MEETING.

AGAIN, THE TESTIMONY FOR THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ONLY IN PERSON.

THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, UH, REGISTER IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING.

AND ALSO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, WE WILL NO LONGER HOLD THEM TO A TIMEFRAME, UH, TO, UM, WHEN THEY MUST REGISTER TO PARTICIPATE IN A MEETING.

AND I BELIEVE WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

SO LET ME GO AHEAD AND START OFF WITH THE FIRST ONE I HAVE.

SO THE SEVEN, UM, THE QUORUM REQUIREMENT, THAT'S A, A MINIMUM, WE, IF COMMISSIONERS WISHED OF COURSE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'LL SOCIALLY DISTANCE, UH, BUT WE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS COULD, UM, COULD, UH, COME JOIN, JOIN THE OTHER.

I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE A FULL MEMBERSHIP ON THE DICE.

IS THAT CORRECT? JERRY? THAT IS CORRECT.

UM, ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, IN REGARDS TO DISTANCING, UM, THERE ARE 13 SEATS ON THE DIOCESE.

UM, SO IF YOU DID WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THAT WOULD BE EVERY OTHER SEAT, UH, THERE ARE AS SPACE OF FOUR, SEVEN SEATS ON THE DIES.

OTHERWISE, UH, 13 SEATS ARE PHYSICALLY AVAILABLE.

OKAY.

AND, UH, MASKING IS A REQUIREMENT.

THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE SEVEN ON THE DYES, UH, MINIMUM WELL AND MASS REQUIRED.

YES.

OKAY.

SO IS THERE A WAY THAT THE OTHER GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER MOOSE TALLER? I'LL LET OTHER FOLKS CHIME IN.

SO I HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, DUE TO MY TIMING AND COMING ON THE COMMISSION, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN OUR, I GUESS I PRESUMING WE HAVE A TYPICAL MEETING SPACE THAT, THAT PLANNING COMMISSION TYPICALLY OCCUPIES.

UM, I WAS CURIOUS HOW BIG THAT ROOM IS.

CHAIR COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ADVERSE.

SO WE WOULD BE MEETING IN CITY HALL,

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COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, AND THEN ARE WE ABLE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION CHAIR, UH, HERE TODAY ABOUT THIS? YES.

UM, UH, WE, YES, I'LL ALLOW SOME, LET'S GO AND GET THROUGH THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, CAUSE I HAVE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP.

JAMES IS NOT ON TONIGHT, BUT HE AND I LING AROUND SOME THOUGHTS, UM, ON OTHER PROBLEMS WE WERE TRYING TO, BUT IT MIGHT BE APPLICABLE IN THIS SITUATION.

OKAY.

UH, LET'S SEE.

I'M LOOKING AT IT.

I KNOW OTHER FOLKS HAVE HANDS UP.

UM, LET'S I THINK IT WAS COMMISSIONER SNYDER FIRST AND THEN WE'LL MOVE TO COMMISSIONER COHEN AND THEN COMMISSIONER.

THOSE ARE ALL RIGHT.

YOU UNMUTE PLEASE COMMITTED SCHNEIDER.

SORRY.

OH, THERE WE GO.

A QUESTION FOR MR. RIVERA.

UH, W WE, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO HAVE A QUORUM, UH, PRESENT, PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE MEETING.

UH, SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF SOMEBODY LEAVES THE ROOM THAT WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM FOR THE MEETING ANYMORE IS QUORUM COUNTED BY THE PEOPLE PHYSICALLY IN THE ROOM AND NOT BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON VIDEO.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE PEOPLE ON VIDEO CAN STILL PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING, BUT THEY DON'T COUNT AGAINST THE QUORUM.

THAT'S GREAT.

THE PHYSICAL PRESENCE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DIAS, UH, MAKES THE QUORUM, OH, THAT'S A NUANCE.

I HADN'T RE OKAY.

SO WE, WE CUT IT A LITTLE CLOSE WITH SEVEN.

IF SOMEBODY GETS DELAYED IN TRAFFIC OR HAS TO LEAVE ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM ANYMORE.

SO THAT MAY BE A CONSIDERATION WE MAY WANT TO SHOOT FOR A SLIGHTLY LARGER NUMBER IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BILLING FOR.

OKAY.

UH, NEXT QUESTION, I GUESS, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE FOR MR. SHATNER? IS THAT OKAY MR. COHEN, ONE OR TWO, SEEING IF MR. RIVERA OR CTM COULD COMMENT AS TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ATTENDING THE MEETING REMOTELY? UH, MY, THE EMAIL I READ SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE, THEY WERE PRETTY STRICT AND THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SOME, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT HAD TO BE MET.

COULD WE HEAR MORE ABOUT THOSE PLEASE? THE CHAIR COMMISSIONER LEADS ON AND VERA.

SO CURRENTLY, UM, I BELIEVE THE CURRENT, UH, SETUP THAT, UM, WE ARE TELECOM.

WE ARE CONVERSING RIGHT NOW, WHAT SUFFICE.

UM, THE COMMISSIONER WOULD RECEIVE A LINK AND, UM, THEY WOULD LOG INTO THAT, UM, LINK AND THAT WOULD BE THEIR PARTICIPATION, UM, ACCESS AGAIN, THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, CONVEY OUR PARTICIPATE ENTIRELY THROUGHOUT THE MEETING.

UH, SO IN ESSENCE, A, A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION COULD OCCUR, UH, BETWEEN THE BODY PHYSICALLY PRESENT AND THE MEMBER PARTICIPATING VIRTUALLY.

AND THE, OF COURSE THE CAMERA WOULD HAVE TO BE ON AT ALL TIMES.

AND THE INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE TO APPEAR ON THE CAMERA.

AUDIO ONLY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED.

OKAY.

I WAS GOING TO VOLUNTEERS EX OFFICIO, NOT TO TAKE A SPOT ON THE GUY.

I THINK MAYBE THAT WOULD BE A WISE TWICE FOR ALL OF US.

YEAH.

I THINK COMMISSIONER, UM, UH, THE END, UH, MR. RIVERA SAID THERE WOULD BE SPOTS DOWN A BIT.

THERE IS A ROW OF CHAIRS AND A TABLE THAT YOU COULD OCCUPY OFF THE DIOCESE.

SO YOU COULD BE IN THE CHAMBERS, JUST NOT ON, ON THE DICE, UM, COMMISSIONER CZAR, AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COMMISSIONER PUPS TEACHER.

UM, MR. RIVERA, CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK TO IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE HYBRID OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMUNITY FEEDBACK? YEAH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I GUESS I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT TO SAY, I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED.

I HAVE BEEN EXCITED TO SEE HOW MANY FOLKS SIGN UP FOR OUR CASES IN A VIRTUAL, UM, SETTING, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THAT THERE'S DIGITAL LITERACIES AND OTHER ISSUES THAT REMAIN,

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AND IT HAS BEEN EXCITING TO SEE, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO ENGAGE IN WHATEVER WAY SEEMS BEST TO THEM.

UM, THE OTHER QUESTION, CAN YOU PLEASE REPEAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING REGARDING, UM, SPEAKERS HAVING TO SIGN UP OR HOW THOSE RULES WILL WE AFFECT IT? YES.

SO, UM, CURRENTLY WE REQUIRE THAT, UH, CITIZENS SIGN UP IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING THAT WILL NO LONGER BE THE CASE.

SO, UH, ONCE WE APPEAR IN PERSON, UM, CITIZENS, UH, WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIGN UP IN EVENTS OF THE MEANING IF THEY SO CHOOSE, WE WILL ALSO BE UTILIZING QR CODES.

UM, THAT CAN BE, THAT WILL BE DISPLAYED IN CHAMBERS.

SO INDIVIDUALS CAN USE THEIR MOBILE DEVICE TO SCAN THE QR CODE AND USE THEIR MOBILE DEVICE TO SIGN IN AND LOG ON TO REGISTER TO SPEAK.

WE WILL ALSO, UM, HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEM TO SIGN UP AS WELL.

I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU.

AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THAT THAT LIMITATION WILL NO LONGER BE THERE BECAUSE I KNOW FOLKS HAVE MISSED THAT TIMELINE IN THE PAST, AND IT'S DISAPPOINTING WHEN YOU WANT TO TESTIFY AND CANNOT BECAUSE OF THE TIMELINE.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE, UM, STAFF AND COUNCILS, UM, DILIGENCE ON THAT.

THANK YOU, JERRY.

THAT WAS ALL MY QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

UH, FINISHING HER CUPS.

YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONERS ARE SAID.

I WAS EXCITED TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA AND I THOUGHT IT, THE FLEXIBILITY OR THE HYBRID APPROACH WAS GOING TO EXTEND TO THE PUBLIC AS, AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO REDUCE BARRIERS TO PARTICIPATING IN THESE PROCESSES.

UM, BEING PHYSICAL AT CITY HALL IS, IS VERY MUCH A CHALLENGE.

UM, BUT, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO STAFF, I HAVEN'T BEEN INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS IN A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT IF WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DIOCESE AND THEN COMMISSIONERS TUNING IN FROM CALM, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? BOTH TO THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DAYAS, UM, IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMISSIONERS OR VIEW THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, WHO ARE TUNING IN FROM HOME.

AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR PEOPLE BOTH PRESENT IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND PEOPLE TUNING IN ON THE TELEVISION? DOES IT LOOK LIKE IT DOES NOW? AND THEN ONE OF THESE LITTLE BOXES ARE GOING TO BE THE, THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS CHAIR COMMISSIONER LAYS ON, EDVERA SAID THE QUESTION OF HOW WELL THE COMMISSIONERS BE DISPLAYED AND HOW THEY, UM, THE, UH, UH, CITIZENS WOULD BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE, UM, VIRTUAL, UM, SCREEN FOR THOSE THAT ARE PARTICIPATING VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE, THE VIEWER BOXES OR THE CAMERAS OF THE COMMISSIONERS WILL BE ON DISPLAY ON A LARGE SCREEN, THAT'S DISPLAYED IN THE METAL OF THE DIAS.

THERE'S ALSO, UM, VARIOUS SCREENS THAT ARE, UH, SUSPENDED, UM, IN CHAMBERS.

HOW WOULD THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE DIOCE THE COMMISSIONERS TUNING IN REMOTELY? WELL, THAT'D BE ON THE COMPUTER SCREEN THEY HAVE IN FRONT OF THEM.

YES.

YES.

THEY WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE WAY YOU LOG IN NOW, UM, WHERE, UM, YOU WILL NOTE, UM, YOU'RE ATTENDING A EVENT OR A MEETING.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, IF, IF WE WERE TO WANT TO PRESS THE ISSUE OF FLEXIBILITY IN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, IS THAT PURELY A COUNCIL DECISION OR DOES THAT ORIGINATE FROM LEGAL? HOW WOULD, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT DOING THAT? SO UNDER, UM, TOMA, THERE ARE, UM, LIKE WAS CONVEYED, THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS AND AT THIS TIME, UM, THE, THERE ARE NOT THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE, UM, TO HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.

AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO A FURTHER LEGAL REVIEW AND TO THE MATTER OF, UM, CITIZENS PARTICIPATING VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE.

OKAY.

UM, ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE I ASK ANOTHER, UH, FINISHER COHEN TO ATTEND IN PERSON MR. ROBOT, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO KEEP OUR MASKS ON THE ENTIRE TIME CHAIR, COMMISSION, LIAISON AND VERA AS THE, UM, CURRENT ROLE IS THAT, UM, MASS MUST BE WORN IN

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A CITY OF BUILDING.

IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A REQUIREMENT.

SO, UM, MR. RIVERA, I HAVE A CLARIFICATION.

SO THE, THE HORAM HAS TO BE MADE UP WITH THOSE THAT ARE IN CHAMBERS, BUT THOSE THAT ARE VIRTUALLY, UH, PARTICIPATING, THEY ARE STILL VOTING THERE.

WE'RE STILL COUNTING THEIR VOTES.

ABSOLUTELY.

OKAY.

SO, SO, UM, ALL RIGHT, SO WE MAKE UP HORAM WITH THOSE ON THE DIOCESE.

IT CAN'T CONSIST OF THOSE THAT ARE IN VIRTUAL ATTENDANCE.

UM, BUT WE STILL, UH, WILL INTERACT AND VOTE.

UH, IT'LL JUST BE A CHALLENGE FOR ME, UH, HAVING TO LOOK BOTH AT THE DIOCESE AND COUNT THOSE VOTES AND THEN SWITCH TO THE SCREEN AND COUNT THOSE VOTES, BUT ALL VOTES NEED TO BE COUNTED.

CORRECT.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

AND, UH, SO THIS WILL BEGIN THE NEXT MEETING.

IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? YES.

SO THE CURRENT ROLES EXPIRES SEPTEMBER 1ST, SO OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE SEPTEMBER 14TH.

AND SO THE NEW ROLES WOULD BE IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.

SO WHAT IF EVERYONE HERE WANTED TO, UH, GO TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS? IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO SPREAD OUT AND OCCUPY, UM, MORE CHAIRS OR WE, WE JUST HAVE, WE HAVE A LIMIT ON IF WE ONLY PUT SEVEN ON THE DIOCESE, IS, IS THERE A WAY ANYMORE, CAN SHOW UP, DO WE HAVE A WAY TO SET THEM UP WITH A COMPUTER AND GET THEM INTERACTING? LIKE A, LIKE THE ONES ON THE DIOCESE CHAIR CURRENTLY, WE CANNOT ACCOMMODATE THAT REQUEST.

OKAY.

UH, COMMISSIONER AZHAR OKAY.

IT GETS YOUR, AND MR. BURR.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HELP ME CLARIFY THIS.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DICE HAS THIRD GAME SEATS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT ONLY SEVEN FOLKS CAN SIT WITH ONE PERSON SPACE BETWEEN THEM.

I'M CORRECT.

RIGHT.

CHAIR COMMISSION LANES ON ANDROMEDA IS CORRECT.

SO 13 SEATS ON THE DIAS, EVERY OTHER SEAT WOULD BE SEVEN SEATS.

I WOULD NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE ONE DIVIDER IN BETWEEN ONE SEAT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UH, COMMISSIONER CONNOLLY AND, UH, REAL QUICKLY HERE.

UM, I THINK MR. RIVERA, WE WERE GOING TO FOLLOW OUR RULES TO LIMIT THIS TO EIGHT QUESTIONS.

I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OFFER UP THAT WE SUSPEND OUR RULES AND ALLOW FOR, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, UH, LIMIT THEM TO FIVE MINUTES.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO.

I'M GOING TO JUST SAY ANOTHER EIGHT COMMISSIONERS, EIGHT QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK WE'LL NEED IT, BUT I HAVE A, I HAVE A, OKAY.

UH, I HAVE SECOND BY COMMISSIONER COX.

LET'S GO AND VOTE ON SUSPENSION OF OUR RULES AND HOLD ON.

OKAY.

THERE WE GO.

I THINK THAT'S ALL GREEN.

THANK YOU.

IT'S UNANIMOUS, MR. MOOSE TALLER.

IS THAT A GREEN STRAW? I'M JUST CHECKING.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

IT'S UNANIMOUS.

SO LET'S CONTINUE, UM, WITH MR. CONLEY WHERE YOU NEXT, I BELIEVE YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP.

YES.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UH, I JUST WAS KIND OF BUILDING UP OFF THE QUESTIONS, UH, FROM BEZ AND FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.

I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO WELL, SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT SEVEN PEOPLE CAN BE, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE NEED TO CREATE SOME KIND OF A SYSTEM WHERE WE SIGN UP SO THAT WE KNOW WHO'S GOING TO BE PRESENT AND, AND, UM, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S NECESSARY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO BE THERE OR NOT IN ORDER FOR US TO HAVE FORUM.

SO I'M JUST KIND OF REALLY THINKING ON MY FEET HERE, WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, BUT IT WILL BE HELPFUL.

I THINK IF WE HAD SOME AGREED UPON SYSTEM TO, TO FACILITATE THAT.

UM, AND, UH, MS. , UM, TELL ME IF I'M GETTING TOO FAR AHEAD OF MYSELF, BUT COULD WE ENTERTAIN, UH, JUST TRYING TO SET THE, UM, THE, UH, PARTICIPANT PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT'LL BE ON THE DAYAS.

COULD WE ESTABLISH THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING HERE TODAY? UH, JUST TO GIVE US, YOU KNOW, COULD WE GO AHEAD AND, UM, APPROVE THAT? OR WHAT DO WE NEED TO APPROVE IS, UH, I GUESS TO COMMISSIONER CONNELLY'S POINT, HOW DO WE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO VOTE ON EACH MEETING? OR DO WE JUST, UM, I'M NOT CERTAIN, AND MAYBE WE CAN EXPLORE IT IF CERTAIN

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MEMBERS JUST DON'T WANT TO SHOW UP TO CHAMBERS AND SOME REALLY DO.

AYE.

AYE, AYE.

AYE.

WE'RE BEING PUBLICLY RECORDED, RIGHT? AS PART OF OUR OFFICIAL YES.

IS IT OKAY TO SPEAK? UH, WELL LET'S LET'S REAL QUICK.

UM, COMMISSIONER, LET ME GET, UH, COMMISSIONER, UM, SORRY.

UM, MR. RIVERA'S INPUT ON HOW WE WOULD ACTUALLY ESTABLISH MEMBERSHIP.

UM, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP BECAUSE ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

UM, SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO ICU CAPACITY IN THIS COUNTY.

THERE MAY BE ONE TO FOUR BEDS, DEPENDING ON THE DAY THAT IS ACROSS HCA, ASCENSION AND BAYLOR SCOTT AND WHITE.

AS OF TODAY, LEANDER ISD SENT OUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL THE PARENTS THAT DUE TO THE EXPLOSION OF COVID CASES AND THE CHILDREN DUE TO OUR OPTIONAL, MANDATORY MASKING POLICY, THAT THEY WERE INFORMED BY WILLIAMSON COUNTY, THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO CLOSE ALL THE SCHOOLS.

LEANDER ISD HAS APPEALED THAT TO THE TEA SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO STAY OPEN AND ATTEMPT TO STAY OPEN.

FRIDAY NIGHT, FOOTBALL STARTS THIS WEEK WITH PEP RALLIES AND LARGE GATHERINGS OF THE NURSES WHO CAME IN FOR THEIR REGULAR CHECKUPS WITH ME OVER THIS WEEK, THAT WORK IN OUR ICU'S.

THEY HAVE INFORMED ME THROUGH TEARS AND DESPERATION THAT THEY ARE EXASPERATED AND EXHAUSTED, AND THAT PATIENTS ARE COMING IN ARE YOUNGER THAN MANY OF US ON THIS DIOCESE.

AND THEY ARE ALL ON THE VENTILATOR AT ASCENSION.

THERE ARE 32 PEOPLE ON THE VENTILATOR TONIGHT, AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO SURVIVE.

AND THEY'RE ALL YOUNG.

THEY'RE ALL ALSO MOSTLY UN-VACCINATED FOR THOSE OF US THAT WERE FRONTLINE HEALTHCARE WORKERS.

WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BEGIN OUR VACCINATION PROCESS IN DECEMBER, WHICH I DID.

AND THE STUDIES ARE SHOWING WANING ANTIBODIES AND BREAKTHROUGH CASE INFECTIONS.

AND WE ANTICIPATE FROM THE CDC FULL RELEASE OF BEING ABLE TO GET BOOSTERS, BUT THAT'S GOING TO COME LATER IN SEPTEMBER.

SO GIVEN THAT UNTIL I AM ABLE TO RECEIVE A BOOSTER, AND BECAUSE I AM A HEALTHCARE WORKER, I WILL NOT BE ON THE DAYAS UNTIL I'VE HAD MY BOOSTER SHOT.

I'M DOING THAT BOTH FOR EVERYONE ELSE'S PROTECTION, THE PATIENTS I CARE FOR, AS WELL AS MY OWN, I DO HAVE A SUGGESTION ON HOW TO HANDLE THE PUBLIC.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT UP WHEN EVERYBODY'S READY TO HEAR THAT.

SO, UM, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU JUST CONTINUE WHILE YOU'RE, UM, CAUSE I THINK IT MAY FEED INTO HOW WE, UH, NAVIGATE THIS AND DECIDE ANYWAY, CONTINUE COMMISSIONING WITH PAUL.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITIES AND MAKING SURE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS.

UM, SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT COVID AND IN DOING THIS HAS TAUGHT US.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE OBSERVED IS THAT OFTENTIMES WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC OPEN COMMENTARY, A LOT OF THE COMMENTARY WE'RE LISTENING TO TENDS TO BE REPETITIVE ABOUT THE POINTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING, EITHER IN FAVOR OR AN OBJECTION OF A PARTICULAR CASE.

AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD THOUGHT WAS WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR US TO CREATE A MECHANISM BY WHICH THE PUBLIC COULD SIGN, UH, A PETITION LETTER, IF YOU WILL, THAT WOULD STATE THEIR RELEVANT POINTS AND EACH PERSON WOULD SIGN THEIR NAME.

AND IF THERE ARE CERTAIN NUMBER OF NAMES SIGNED, UM, THEN WE WOULD, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM COME AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO TESTIFY AND TAKE UP THE TIME WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF TIME AND LENGTH OF MEETING, BUT IT MAY HELP.

IF WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN WE WOULD READ THAT LETTER INTO THE PUBLIC MINUTES AS AN OFFICIAL TESTIMONY.

AND THAT MAY BE A WAY FOR GROUPS OF CITIZENS TO PUBLICLY SPEAK AND HAVE THEIR TESTIMONY RECORDED AND PRESENTED BY THEIR NAME WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE WHATEVER WE SET THE MINIMUM, 10 PEOPLE SIGN IT OR 15 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER.

AND THAT, THAT CAN BE HEARD AND READ IN AND UNDERSTOOD THAT 10 PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITHIN THIS RADIUS HAVE THESE POINTS IN FAVOR OR THESE POINTS IN DISFAVOR, WHATEVER THEY'RE WANTING TO EXPRESS.

SO I LIKE, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT AND TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE EXPOSURE AND DEFINITELY THE SOBERING NEWS.

THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE.

AND, UH, DEFINITELY, UM, SUPPORT YOU NOT COMING IN, GIVEN THE, UM, URINE.

WE NEED YOU TO STAY SAFE AND HEALTHY.

UM, BUT UH, MR. RIVERA

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SPEAKING, WHAT I'M HEARING IS, UH, ANY ENTERTAINMENT OF KIND OF THE PUBLIC NODE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND HOW WE, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW WE KIND OF GET THE PUBLIC INPUT IS CANCELED GIVEN ANY, OR IF YOU AWARE OF ANY COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE I THINK WE WOULD FOLLOW THEIR LEAD ON HOW PUBLIC INPUT IS, IS OBTAINED AND HOW ARE THEIR LIMITING KIND OF PUBLIC, UH, YOU KNOW, EXPOSURE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO EACH OTHER WITH THIS VIRUS.

IS THERE ANY BEEN ANY CONVERSATIONS CHAIR, COMMISSIONER LAYS ON ADVERSE? SO THE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT UNDER TOMA, WE CANNOT LIMIT SPEAKERS.

AND SO, UH, WE, WE, UM, CANNOT, UM, GIVE, UM, THAT, UH, PERCEPTION THAT WE'RE TRYING TO, UM, JUST SO I HAD SPEAKERS FROM ATTENDING A MEETING.

OKAY.

SO WE KIND OF BRIEFLY LET'S CONVINCE YOUR COSTS.

DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR WE BET.

I THINK LET'S GO BACK TO OUR QUESTION TRACK IF WE CAN OR COMMENTS GO AHEAD.

UM, UH, FOR, FOR ANDREW PEOPLE CAN STILL SIGN UP FOR AGAINST EACH ITEM, CORRECT? THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK, IT CAN JUST SIGN UP FOR AGAINST, IN THE, OR IS THAT ONLY FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS? THE PUBLIC ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO SUBMIT, UM, LETTERS OF, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE FOR, OR AGAINST AN ITEM, BUT AS FAR AS THE REGISTRATION IT'S TO INFORM, UH, US, IF THEY ARE REGISTERED, REGISTERING TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST AN ITEM.

OKAY.

CAUSE I REMEMBER AT LEAST FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS, YOU'RE ABLE TO REGISTER FOR EXAMPLE, AGAINST, AND THEN SELECT IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD THAT INFORMATION, TALLY INFORMATION.

UM, EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I GUESS THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST FOR COUNCIL.

UM, AND THEN I GUESS TO THE CHAIR, I I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD JUST TAKE AN INFORMAL POLL OF WHO WANTS TO GO TO CITY HALL VERSUS WHO DOESN'T I'M I'M PERSONALLY IN THE, I'M HAPPY TO REMOTE IN UNTIL THINGS STABILIZE.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE THE SAME WAY OR IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO ATTEND AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT FROM THERE, WHETHER WE NEED TO FORCE PEOPLE TO COME IN TO MAINTAIN QUORUM, OR IF WE'RE ALL COMPETING FOR A SMALL NUMBER OF SEATS TO SAFELY DISTANCE.

SO, UH, REAL QUICK LET'S, UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT, JUST FINISH OUR QUESTIONS.

UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE MORE, UH, LOSING COUNT.

LET'S GO AND FINISH OUR QUESTIONS, UH, COMMENTS, AND THEN WE'LL GO AHEAD.

I WOULD LOVE, I SUPPORT THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A POLL TO SEE WHO IS WILLING TO COME IN LATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING, COME IN AND SERVE ON THE DIOCESE SO THAT WE CAN ESTABLISH QUORUM.

SO, UM, LET'S GO IN FIVE MORE SPOTS, UH, FINISHER COHEN AND THE COMMISSIONER SCHNEIDER AND THEN COMMISSIONER, UH, VICE-CHAIR HEMPEL I THINK IT'S YOUR, I HAVE A COMMISSIONER COHEN SO REAL QUICK, AND THIS CAN WAIT TO THE END WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY COME UP WITH A SOMEWHAT SIMILAR PLAN AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT THAT I'M WILLING TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL, UH, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE THE NIGHT BEFORE Y'ALL'S NEXT MEETING.

THE ONE THING I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE FOUND FROM LEGAL IS THAT WE CAN'T FORCE ANYONE.

WE CAN'T COMPEL, WE CAN'T BADGER.

WE CAN'T MAKE ANYONE COME INTO CITY HALL.

AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO MENTION BECAUSE WE CAN ASK THEM, WE CAN BEG THEM WITH COMPLETE, WHICH I ENDED UP HAVING TO DO TO GET MY QUORUM, BUT IT IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE FACTORED IN, IN MY OPINION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT GOOD POINT, DEPENDING ON THIS, HOW THIS GOES, I AM WILLING TO TAKE MY TURN ONCE I'M ABLE TO GET MY BOOSTER.

OKAY.

SO IT'S NOT A PERMANENT DECISION.

IT'S JUST GIVEN THAT I'M NINE MONTHS OUT FROM MY FIRST SHOT.

THAT'S ALL MR. SCHNEIDER, UH, UH, TWO THINGS FIRST, UH, BACK TO MR. RIVERA.

UM, I, UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION FROM, UH, COMMISSIONER COHEN.

UH, I'M A LITTLE WORRIED THAT IF WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE WHO WERE COMMITTED TO COME IN THAT, UH, IF WE LOSE ONE, WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING AND, YOU KNOW, WE SAW WHAT TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES DID TONIGHT.

UM, SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO FIND A SPOT, MAYBE NOT ON THE DIETS FOR AN ADDITIONAL PERSON,

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JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BACKUP, UH, I, UH, APPRECIATE, UM, COMMISSIONER MUSH, TODDLER'S COMMENTS, AND I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED.

UM, I'M HAPPY TO COME IN FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

UM, I'VE LIVED CLOSE BY AND IN FACTS.

SO I FEEL LIKE I, I CAN DO THAT.

UM, UH, THE SECOND POINT IS I HEAR, UH, A NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND ME INCLUDED, UH, HAVE SOME, UH, CONCERNS THAT I THINK WE WANT TO EXPRESS TO, I GUESS IT'S THE COUNCIL ABOUT, UM, LEVERAGING THE LESSONS THAT WE SAW DURING THE PANDEMIC TO IMPROVE SUCCINCT COMMUNICATION.

AND I UNDERSTAND, I HEARD MR. RIVERA SAYING THAT THERE WERE SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.

UM, BUT I, I DUNNO IF WE WANT TO CONSIDER SOME MORE FORMAL WAY TO ASK STAFF OR ASK THE, UM, UH, CITY CLERK'S OFFICE TO, UH, THINK OF IMPROVED WAYS TO, UH, GIVE CITIZENS INCREASE ACCESS.

YEAH.

LET'S UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT THAT ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. MAYBE WE CAN PUT THAT ON.

IS, IS, UH, AN ITEM FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION, UM, UH, BUS, YOUR HEMPEL I SAW YOUR HAND.

DID YOU HAVE THAT YOU WERE TAKING THEM FULL ALREADY? NO.

YEAH, NOPE.

UH, NOT, NOT, I THINK I'M ALMOST GOOD.

I DO SEE WE HAVE OUR US AND ENERGY, UM, REPRESENTATIVE HERE.

SO I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND WRAP THIS UP AND I WOULD, UH, SO I HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE JUST DO A QUICK POLL OF WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO COME TO CHAMBERS, UM, COUNCIL CHAMBERS AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? OKAY.

LET'S JUST DO A QUICK POLL OF THOSE THAT, UM, FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING INTO CHAMBERS, OR MAYBE I SHOULD REWORD IT, BUT WOULD BE WILLING TO COME INTO COUNCIL CHAMBERS FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

UM, AND BEFORE WE HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS FOR LIKE REGISTERING.

SO, UM, I HAVE PERMISSION TO THOMPSON.

LET ME, LET ME KEEP YOUR HAND UP.

I'M GOING TO WRITE DOWN NAMES.

UH VICE-CHAIR AND HEMPHILL THOMPSON, NIGHTER PARKS, FONDLY, UM, MYSELF.

WE DON'T MIND NOT SEEING, I THINK IS THAT IT? SO THAT IS 1, 2, 3.

SAY THAT AGAIN? COMMISSIONER SHAY IS OFF THE DYESS TONIGHT.

YES, NOT SURE.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE ONLY GOT SIX AND I'LL JUST, I'LL LEAVE IT AT.

OH, COMMISSIONER IS.

AND SO YOUR HAND, THANK YOU.

SO WE HAVE SEVEN WITH NO SPARES, SO HOPEFULLY, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE JUST, UM, TO HAVE AT LEAST, UH, COMMISSIONER HOWARD.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO, UM, ANYWAY, I LET'S, I WILL REVISIT THIS.

YOU'LL GET COMMUNICATION FROM ME AND ANDREW OVER THE NEXT WEEK.

THIS IS JUST A, A POLL TO SEE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO COME IN, BUT WE WILL FINALIZE THAT ATTENDANCE.

UH, THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH, UM, UH, ME AND MR. RIVERA, MISS, UH, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE, A COUPLE OF MEETINGS I CAN TELL UNTIL WE KIND OF GET THE GROUP, I WAS JUST GETTING USED TO THE VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT.

NOW THIS IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE CHALLENGING HAVING HALF OF YOU ON THE SCREEN AND HALF YOU, UH, IN THE ROOM.

UH, SO DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING BAD COMMISSIONER DESSERT? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.

I DO WANT TO THANK YOU CHAIR.

VICE-CHAIR CAMPBELL, MR. RIVERA, NURSE STAFF, FOR BEING VERY ACCOMMODATING AND HELPING US THROUGH THIS.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGING TIME FOR ALL OF US AND FIGURING ALL OF THIS OUT.

AND I PARTICULARLY JUST WANNA THANK STAFF FOR HELPING US MOVE THROUGH THIS AS LONG AS POSSIBLE.

YEAH.

THANKS.

UH, THAT IS, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND YOU ALL, IT'S A TEAM EFFORT HERE.

YOU GUYS HAVE SAVED ME AND STEERED ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO MANY TIMES.

I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.

IT'S UH, AND, UH, IT'LL BE INTERESTING SEEING A FEW FACES THERE.

UH, COUNCIL CHAMBERS, IT'LL BE A LITTLE STRANGE PUNISHER COHEN.

DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE THING? ONE LAST COMMENT.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT EITHER YOU OR MR. RIVERA SEND AN EMAIL TO THE NEW MEMBERS, INSTRUCTING THEM, HOW TO USE THE LITTLE TOUCH SCREENS NEXT TO THE COMPUTER MONITORS AND HOW TO USE THE MICROPHONES.

OH, WELL, WE ALL HAD TO LEARN THE HARD WAY I WOULD WANT TO MAKE IT EASY.

NO, I'M JUST KIDDING.

THAT IS A VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD SUGGESTION.

I SPENT, UH, MANY, UH, ABOUT 30 MINUTES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO OPERATE THAT THING WHEN I FIRST GOT THERE.

UH, COMMISSIONER COX, SORRY, ONE

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LAST THING.

UM, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN TRY TO DISTRIBUTE IN PERSON PRIOR TO THE MEETING? I'M ONE OF THOSE IN THE CAMP OF, IF I CAN DO IT VIRTUAL, I PREFER TO DO IT, BUT IF WE NEED, IF I NEED TO BE THERE FOR QUORUM, I'LL DEFINITELY BE THERE.

UH, SO IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO KNOW WHO'S SO THAT 10 PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP.

YES, NO, THAT IS TOTALLY THE PLAN.

IS WE, BEFORE THE MEETING, WE KNOW EACH MEETING IS GOING TO BE GOING IN AND WHO'S STAYING SO THAT THERE'S NO MYSTERY, UH, THAT WOULD BE COMMUNICATED.

UM, I'LL GET WITH MR. RIVERA AND KIND OF THE TIMING OF THAT, BUT GIVE US A FEW DAYS BUFFER IN CASE THERE'S AN EMERGENCY, SOMETHING COMES UP, WE CAN ADJUST, UH, AGAIN, IT'LL, WE'LL TRY SOME THINGS OUT, SEE IF THEY WORK.

UM, WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO, UM, THE OTHER ITEM WE CAN TAKE ON TONIGHT, WHICH IS THE BRIEFING THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN REQUESTED, AND MANY

[C1. Presentation by Staff regarding Design Criteria - Permanent Clearances from Overhead Distribution Lines and Facilities. Staff: Jeffrey Vice, Austin Energy, (512) 322-6087. (Co-Sponsors Commissioners Cox and Shieh)]

OF US ARE WAITING FOR, UH, ITEM C1.

AND, UM, WE HAVE, UH, MR. SCOTT BAER FROM AUSTIN ENERGY, WHICH IS HERE TOO.

UM, AND ANDREW, DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OR IS THIS JUST, ARE WE JUST STARTING WITH Q AND A? OH, WE DO.

THANK YOU.

THERE IT IS.

SO WE'LL START WITH THE PRESENTATION AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH OUR NORMAL RULES FOR Q AND A.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, MR. BARRY, YOU WANT, UH, CAN YOU, I GUESS WE, HAVEN'T DONE A SOUND CHECK.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN HEAR YOU.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIRMAN SHAW.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

WE CAN HEAR YOU, PLEASE CONTINUE.

GOOD DEAL.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION TO YOU.

UM, THIS IS A CHANGE, A REAL CHANGE TO OUR DESIGN CRITERIA MANUAL CONCERNING OUR OVERHEAD DISTRIBUTION LINE CLEARANCES.

UM, YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UH, WHAT I THOUGHT I'VE COVERED WAS JUST, UH, COMPARED AGAINST THE, UH, PREVIOUS CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS.

HAVE A DIAGRAM THERE TO TALK ABOUT WHY WE, UH, CHANGED THIS RULE AND GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED OF THE CLEARANCE DIAGRAM SHOW YOU VIOLATIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN HISTORICALLY, AND THEN, UH, SOME, UH, ULTIMATE LINE CONSTRUCTION TO HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACT TO SOME OF OUR HOME VISITORS.

NEXT SLIDE.

SO ON THE LEFT IS, WAS THE PREVIOUS, UH, CLEARANCE THAT WE HAD KEEP IN MIND.

THIS IS A CLEARANCE FROM OUR PRIMARY VOLTAGE SWITCHES.

WE CALL IT 15 K D.

THE ACTUAL VOLTAGE IS 12.47 K D UH, 7,200 VOLTS TO GROUND OR NEUTRAL, BUT ON THE LEFT WE HAD, UH, WE FOLLOW THE NDSC, UH, GUIDELINE OF SEVEN AND A HALF FEET.

UH, AND WE, WE TERMED IT FROM GROUND TO SKY.

SO ENERGIZE CONDUCTOR, NOTHING COULD BE BUILT WITHIN THAT, UH, THAT COLUMN THERE.

AND ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BIT OF A RADIUS OF 10 FOOT OSHA RULE, UM, ON THE RIGHT IS THE NEW CURRENT, UH, RULE THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED.

AND, UH, WHAT WE DID THERE WAS WE ADDED A 15 FOOT RADIUS CLEARANCE FROM THE ENERGIZED CONDUCTOR AND FROM THE, UH, THE NEUTRAL CONDUCTOR.

SO YOU CAN TELL FROM THE BACKGROUND HOW THAT, HOW THAT AFFECTS, UH, NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO, AS I SAID, NSC PROVIDES AT MINIMUM CLEAR DISTANCE OF SEVEN HALF FEET HORIZONTAL FOR ANYWHERE FROM 750 VOLTS TO 22 K D.

UM, THE OSHA 9, 10, 19 10, UH, 3, 3, 3 IS REALLY TO PROTECT UNQUALIFIED WORKERS BY MEANING NON ELECTRIC UTILITY WORKERS BE ABLE TO PERFORM THE WORK ADJACENT TO THOSE ENERGIZED CONDUCTORS.

AND THAT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD IT'S, IT'S, UH, 10 FEET FOR, YOU KNOW, THE VOLTAGE PLANTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

NEXT SLIDE.

AND SO WHAT DROVE US HERE WAS REALLY PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, BUILDINGS BUILT SEVEN HALF FEET FROM THAT TOP OF VOLTAGE JUST DON'T ALLOW THE UNQUALIFIED WORK IS PERFORMED THE CONSTRUCTION MAINTENANCE STAFF BUILDING, UH, UNDER THE PREVIOUS RULE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE DEVELOPER CONTRACT COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION, UH, AN ELECTRICAL HAZARD COULD EXIST, YOU KNOW, TO UNINFORMED WHEN PERFORMING MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE IF THAT BUILDING WAS, WAS ACTUALLY BUILT, EVEN FROM THE ENERGIZED LINE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF IT COULD BE WORK ON THAT BUILDING FOR THE ENERGIZED CONDUCTOR, THEY'RE ALREADY VIOLATING THE OSHA RULE.

SO WHAT WE ENDED UP DOING WAS WE TOOK THE 10 FOOT OUT YOUR RULE AS THE CLEARANCE RULE, AND THEN WE ADDED FIVE

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FEET FOR ALLOWANCE FOR STAFF LAYING AND MATURE TO WHERE IT WOULD ENSURE THOSE WORKERS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR WORK IN A SAFE MANNER.

WE HAVE HAD A PAST HISTORY OF NON-COMPLIANT CONSTRUCTION, UH, INCLUDING, UH, KELSEY OF, UH, OF NON-QUALIFIED WORKER AND SINCE 2017, OUR, OUR SAFETY INSPECTOR THAT PASSED OUT OVER 70 NOTICES OF ELECTRICAL HAZARDS, UH, IN THOSE YEARS.

NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

SO THIS JUST SHOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL, THE SAME DRAWING THAT WE HAD BEFORE ON THE LEFT, UH, SHOWS THAT THE SCAFFOLDING AND THE WORKERS IN THAT AREA, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THEY GET INTO IT, THEY'RE ALREADY WITHIN THE 10 FOOT OSHA, UH, RULE IN VIOLATION.

AND THE DRAWING ON THE RIGHT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, FIVE FOOT, UH, SCAFFOLDING WITH THE WORKERS IN THERE AND MAINTAINING THAT 10 FOOT RULE STAY OUT OF IT.

SO NEXT LOT, WE HAVE A LOT OF DIALOGUE AS THIS WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING PUBLISHED, PUBLISHED WITH ARCHITECTS BUILDERS AND, UH, THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, MATTER OF FACT, IS THIS RULE WAS APPEALED BY THE HOME BUILDERS ASSOCIATION, AND IT WAS A PILL BY THE CITY MANAGER, BUT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK, UH, TO MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR WORK YET, KEEP A, YOU KNOW, A, UH, ENVIRONMENT THAT PROTECTS THE WORKERS.

SO WE HAVE ISSUED TO THE, UH, TO THE DAX CENTER DRAWINGS THAT WILL HELP THEM, UH, GET THE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR GIVING THEM INFORMATION ON THINGS.

AND THIS, THIS DIAGRAM RIGHT HERE ACTUALLY SHOWS THE DIFFERENT HOPS OF THE WOODS HOLE ON THE LEFT OF THE, IN THAT CHART AND WHERE THE CLEARANCES WOULD BE GIVEN DISTANCES AWAY FROM THE POLE.

I KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE LOOKING AT 10, 15 FEET AWAY FROM THE ENERGIZED CONDUCTOR, BUT WE REALIZED THAT THAT'S DIFFICULT SOMETIMES TO GAUGE.

SO THIS DIAGRAM ACTUALLY ADDS THE, UH, UH, FOUR FEET TO THE POLE BECAUSE NORMALLY ON A THREE-PHASE LINE, YOU'LL HAVE A, UH, EIGHT FOOT CROSS ARM.

SO YOU ASSUME THAT ONE OF THE PHASES WOULD BE TO ENTER THAT CROSS ON, GIVE YOU THAT EXTRA FOUR FEET.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT TWO FEET AWAY FROM THE POLE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OUT OF THE AREA FOR SURE.

AND THEN AS YOU, AS YOU GO UP, YOU CAN GET CLOSER AS YOU NEED TO.

SO GO TO THE NEXT DIAGRAM, PLEASE, WE'LL SHOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONCRETE, UH, DRAWING HERE.

SO THIS IS A 50 FOOT POLE, WHICH IS OUR STANDARD NOW 50 AND 50,000 FEET.

AND IF YOU'RE, UH, 15 FEET FROM THE POLE, YOU CAN GO UP 31 FEET ON THAT BUILDING HAT, WHICH I KNOW WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF, UH, FEEDBACK ON, UH, I'M STILL RIG UNITS.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN THAT SOME BUILDERS HAVE WITH BEING ABLE TO BUILD THOSE, UH, COMPETENCE FACILITIES.

UM, BUT THIS, THIS GIVES A THIRD ONE BILLING HALF, WHICH IS NORMALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ALMOST A TWO-STORY BUILDING, YOU KNOW, WITHIN, WITHIN 15 FEET OF THE POLICE SAY, OFFICER, UH, GO AHEAD AND GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE THERE.

SO HERE ARE SOME VIOLATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD HISTORICALLY, UH, SHOWING SOME OF THE, UH, UH, BUILDINGS GOING UP.

THIS MEETS THE ACTUAL OLDER, UH, COURSES.

THESE ARE ALL OVER, UH, PICTURES MEETS 75 FOOT 80 CLEARANCE, BUT YET, UH, THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE 10 FOOT CLEARANCE