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SO

[Call to Order]

WE CAN GO AHEAD WITH STARTING TONIGHT'S ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST.

AND I WILL DO THE ROLE, A CONDITIONER.

I GUARANTEE HERE.

COMMISSIONER VICE CHAIR, BOROUGH RAMIREZ HERE.

COMMISSIONER GRAY HERE.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DECKER, PRESENT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, COMMISSIONER EVANS, COMMISSIONER KING HERE.

ME CABASA IS HERE.

COMMISSIONER RAY AND COMMISSIONER SMITH HERE.

OKAY, GREAT.

[Reading of the Agenda]

AND THEN, UH, OUR AGENDA IS A ONE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM AUGUST 18TH, 2020.

AND HOW DO THEY, UM, ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING OR ARE THEY GOOD TO GO? I HAVE NOT LOOKED AT THEM, BUT THEY CORRECTIONS TEACHER RECOLLECT AT THE AUGUST BOARD MEETING MINUTES WERE AMENDED.

SO THEY WERE ACCEPTED WITH AMENDMENTS AND THE ITEM BEAT BY CHEEK REFLECT THAT THE MOTION WAS MADE BY COMMISSIONER SMITH AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.

I GAVE IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO THE MINUTES AS AMENDED AND THEN SECOND, UM, BE TO, I MEAN, BE ONE ADDITIONAL MINUTE CORRECTIONS, UM, BEING CIRCUIT OF THE AMERICAS POD.

UH, ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE VOTED ON WAS TO TRACK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THE LAND USE TABLE.

ON ANDREW RIVERA.

JUST A REMINDER THAT THE MINUTES ARE A FLIGHT, THE COMMISSION'S ACTION UNDER CODE AND OTHER CONDITIONS ARE REFLECTED AND MEMORIALIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDED TO COUNCIL.

THAT WAS NOT IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS ADDED AS AN AMENDMENT, AS PART OF THE MOTION.

SO WE WILL NEED TO TRACK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER THE LAND USE.

OKAY.

AND I CAN SEE FOR A SECRETARY, I BELIEVE I HAVE A FUNNY FEELING.

YOU WERE CHECKING YOUR NOTES.

YES.

MR. DECKER.

THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION.

HE STATED THAT STAFF TO CRACK THE IMPERVIOUS COVER.

WELL, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER, SECRETARY OF GARY UNDER THIS, THAT IS IN MY NOTES.

UM, I GUESS INCLUDED IN MY NOTES AND I WAS GOING TO ADD, I'M HAPPY TO REVIEW THE TAPE ALSO TO SEE IF WE VOTED ON IT, THEN IT SHOULD BE IN THE MINUTES IS THE WAY IT GOES.

AND SO THE MINUTES AS CORRECTED ON A ONE AND THEN D UM, B ONE ZONING AND THAT IS OFFERED FOR C 14 DASH 2020 DASH ZERO ZERO FIVE SEVEN ONE WAY OUT DISTRICT ONE.

AND THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

A B TO FINAL PLAT WITH PRELIMINARY CA DASH TWO ZERO ONE EIGHT ZERO TWO ONE 7.38, COLTON BLUFF PHASE TWO.

AND THAT IS CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS PER EXHIBIT C AND B THREE RESUBMIT RE SUBDIVISION, CA DASH TWO OH ONE NINE DASH ZERO ONE ZERO 0.08, RESUB DIVISION OF LOT THREE BLOCKY WESTOVER HILLS SECTION FOUR, SECTION PHASE TWO.

AND THAT IS A DISCUSSION ITEM BEFORE FINAL WITH PRELIMINARY PLANS, SEE EIGHT DASH TWO OH ONE TWO DASH ZERO ONE SIX 1.7, A KARA DRIVE BRIDGE FINAL PLAT THAT IS OFFERED FOR CONSENT.

AND THAT IS IT FOR OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? AND REMEMBER, I AM GOING TO BE USING THE HAND RAISE.

UM, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRAY FOR INTRODUCING THAT TO US.

UH, I'LL BE LOOKING AT ON THE LITTLE THING ABOUT WHO HAS RAISED THEIR HANDS ON THE LITTLE ICON THINGS.

UM, ANY,

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ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, IF NOT OKAY.

HOW TO USE THAT HAND RAISED.

IT IS, UH, IT IS ON THE, AND THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

CAUSE I DON'T USE IT PARTICIPANTS LIKE WITH LIBERAL PERSON, I FOUND AT THE BOTTOM, YOU OPEN UP IN A SUITABLE, HAND-EYE COME BACK YOUR NAME, WHICH SYMBOL.

THEN I GO DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.

THAT'S LIKE A LITTLE PERSON WITH A COUPLE OF LINES AND IT SAYS PARTICIPANTS AND YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE OVER IT.

IT SAID THAT IT'S LIKE THE MIDDLE OPTION PARTICIPANTS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF YOUR SCREEN.

AND THERE'LL BE A HAND NEXT TO YOUR NAME ON IT.

OKAY.

I CLICKED IT.

HOW DO I USE IT NOW? WELL, IT'LL, IT'LL HIGHLIGHT BLUE IF YOUR HAND IS UP.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

SORRY FOR INTERRUPTION.

YES, I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, BUT THE, WE NOTE THE EXHIBIT C FOR NUMBER TWO.

OH.

I SAID PER EXHIBIT.

EXACTLY.

AS YOU WROTE THE CONSENT DISAPPROVAL FOR REASONS PER EXHIBIT C.

OKAY.

THANKS UNTIL ONLY WHEN, IF ALL READY TO TAKE THE FALL FOR IT AND RIGHT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BRAY.

AND NOW I ACTUALLY REALIZED, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CONNECT, HOW TO TAKE THE BALL.

AND LAST TIME IT WAS JUST VERY INTUITIVE AND NOW I AM NOT FINDING IT.

UM, IN FACT, GO OVER YOUR WORK AS YOUR INITIALS, JUST CLICK THAT.

AND IT SAYS, MAKE ME PRESENTER GO OVER MY, LIKE THE PARTICIPANT'S NAME.

YOU'LL SEE YOUR NAME.

AND IF YOU PUT YOUR MOUSE OVER THE, UH, IT SHOULD SAY LIKE J K YOU SEE LIKE MAKE ME PRESENTER.

OKAY.

AND WE'RE, I JUST HAVE THE GRID RIGHT NOW.

SO I AM SO SORRY.

Y'ALL UM, WHERE DO I GET THE PARTICIPANT'S NAME? OPEN PARTICIPANTS OR CLOSED PARTICIPANTS? IT'S AN ICON WITH THE PERSON ON THE BOTTOM, LIKE ON THE BOTTOM? YEAH.

OKAY, GREAT.

OKAY.

NOW I GOT IT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

IT WAS VERY INTUITIVE LAST TIME.

NOW IT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE AND I APPRECIATE IT.

AND I AM TAKING THE BALL, MAKING MYSELF PRO PRESENTER.

OKAY.

AFTER ALL THAT I WANT TO ASK, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE WHO IS ONLINE? WE HAVE A LIST OF SPEAKERS, BUT IS THERE ANYBODY WAITING TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE CASES THAT WE, UM, HAD PUT ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA? WHO WISH TO SPEAK, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE NIXON LANE OR ALSO FOR, UM, I GUESS EVEN SEE TWO, THREE, ONE THE FINAL, THE COLTON BLUFF SPRINGS ROAD, OR WANTS TO SPEND SPEAK ON THE CARA DRIVE AT GERARD DRIVE.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND WE HAVE JUST MISSED YOU OKAY.

SAYING THAT THEN IT COULD BE CLOSED.

YEAH.

COMMISSIONER KING.

I DID RAISE MY HAND OVER HERE ON THE LITTLE HAND ICON, SO, OKAY.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

NO WORRIES.

UH, BUT UH, I WAS WONDERING IF I JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ABOUT, WONDERING IF THERE'D BE A POSSIBLE TO ADD THE CONVENIENCE STORE AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE, IN THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY.

AND I WAS JUST ASKING IF ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WOULD SUPPORT ME IN THAT I WOULD PULL THAT, BUT IF NO, ONE'S WILLING TO SUPPORT ME AND KNOW THAT I'M NOT GOING TO PULL THAT.

UM, AND OKAY.

SO THEN I SEE, I SEE PEOPLE.

OKAY.

SO THEN, SO THEN I SEE PEOPLE WAVING THEIR HANDS, BUT SO SHOULD WE, I GUESS WE SHOULD, BECAUSE WE HAVE A PERSON WHO WANTS TO UP CONDITIONAL OVERLAY AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S A JOSEPH CAUSE SHE WAS, SHE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS CASE BEFORE THAT IS POSSIBLE TO ADD THIS AS PART OF THE CONSENT AGENDA OR SHOULD WE JUST GO FORWARD AND HAVE, AND HEAR THIS CASE? UM, AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD, I, I, I SUSPECT THAT THE APPLICANT OR I DID SEE THAT HE HAS SIGNED UP.

UM, WHY DON'T WE JUST GO AHEAD, VOTE ON THIS CONSENT AGENDA WITHOUT AND THEN POSSIBLY THIS WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF HIM WITH A QUICK QUESTION.

OKAY.

THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

IS THERE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT COMMISSIONER SMITH, UH,

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CANCEL OR NOT CANCEL IT.

STOP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND

[Consent Agenda]

APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS RED, OR IS THERE A SECOND? AND THAT LOOKS LIKE COMMISSIONER EVANS IS SECONDING OR, UM, OR A COMMISSIONER I'LL JUST THROW OUT COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.

OH, OKAY.

AND ACTUALLY MY LITTLE SPEAKER LIST IS RIGHT OVER YOU.

UM, OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DUNKIN HAS SECONDED ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS VISUALLY.

OKAY.

THAT IS GREAT.

OKAY.

THE CONSENT AGENDA AS RED,

[B1. Rezoning:C14-2020-0057 - One Way Out; District 1]

WE HAVE PULLED THE ONE AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S NOT A FULL BLOWN CASE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT.

I KNOW THE APPLICANT IS, HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AND, UM, WOULD YOU BE OKAY AND I HAVE TO GET YOUR NAME AGAIN.

UM, ALL THIS PAPERWORK, TWO, WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THE CONDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT COMMISSIONER KING HAS PROPOSED? ARE YOU THERE? AND THAT IS SOMEBODY GOT THE TV ON THE VIDEO IN THE BACKGROUND.

THANK YOU.

AND SELECT STAR SIX.

WE HAD OUR CHAT AND PLANNING AND ZONING.

IF I CAN CLARIFY, WHEN THIS ITEM WAS PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED A DIFFERENT REQUEST, THE REQUEST AND ITEM THAT WAS AMUSED BY ZONING, THE PLANNING WITH TWO PROHIBITS SERVICE STATION, JUST TO CLARIFY, NOT CONVENIENT SERVICE SERVICE STATION, CAUSE THE PREVIOUS REQUEST.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT.

AND MR. ALAMI.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, HEATHER AND MR. RAMI J WITH CONSISTENT, WITH THE SAME CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, WHICH I THINK COULD BE FAIR WOULD BE THE GAS STATION.

ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? I'M TRYING TO GR TO SEE, OH, THIS IS MY CONDITION OR OVERLAY TO SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE CONDITION.

OKAY.

IT WAS ME.

I'M SORRY.

I JUST POINT OF ORDER TO HEAR THE GENTLEMAN.

I CANNOT, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS A RECORDING OF THIS.

THAT'S APPARENTLY ON ATX N PLAYING IN THE BACKGROUND.

YOU CAN HEAR IT'S A DELAY THERE.

IT'S MR. RAMI.

SO MR. SO I THINK IF MR. RAMI, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA, IF, UM, THEN WE SHOULD JUST HEAR THIS CASE AND JUST, AND, AND VOTE AS WE WOULD NORMALLY DO.

AND SO, UM, HEATHER, IF YOU COULD PRESENT THE CASE IN MR. RAMI, YOU'LL BE ALLOWED, UM, SIX MINUTES AND THERE WAS NOBODY SIGNED UP IN OPPOSITION.

IT'S JUST THAT WE DID GET AN EMAIL CAUSE I I'M SEEING IT NOW FROM MISS ENOVIA, JOSEPH.

SO, UM, HEATHER, IF YOU COULD GO AHEAD.

SURE.

AGAIN, HEATHER CHAFFIN PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT, THE CASE IS C TEAM 2020 ZERO ZERO EIGHT OH ONE, LAY OUT.

THE REQUEST HAS BEEN AMENDED, REQUESTING A CHANGE FROM G R C O T G R N U A STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE REQUEST.

THIS IS PREVIOUSLY HER WITH A DIFFERENT REQUEST OF LR AND YOU, AND THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE PERSON AND OPPOSITION WHO REQUESTED THAT SERVICE STATION VEHICLE HABITED USE, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME.

AND THE APPLICANT PREVIOUSLY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE REQUESTING WAS GOING TO REDUCE THE LIABLE HEIGHT FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY PROHIBITED, COMMITTED, AND HAS THEN CHANGED THE REQUEST TO GRN YOU, IF IT'S AT THE CORNER SOUTHWEST CORNER OF NINE 69 AND NIXON LANE, IT'S CURRENTLY GRC, OH, THE ONLY CONDITIONAL OVERLAY IS RELATED TO VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY COURSE.

ANY FUTURE SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT CODE.

IF YOU'RE REQUIRED AN NTA OR A TIA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,

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I'M GONNA KIND OF SKIP THROUGH THE REST.

THERE ARE S ROUNDING MIX OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LAND USES TO THE SOUTH.

MOSTLY COMMERCIAL ZONING AND LAND USES TO THE WEST AND THE EAST.

THERE IS A SERVICE STATION ACROSS NIXON LANE TO THE EAST.

I'VE RECEIVED LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND AN OPPOSITION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, HEATHER.

AND NOW MR. RAMI YOU'LL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

OKAY.

UH, AS A HEADACHE, THAT'S HIM, UM, THAT'S THE STATION RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, THERE WAS ALSO ONE I HAD TO CROSS LAND 69, 39, 69 AND NIXON LANE.

SO RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH OF THOSE THREE, THERE IS ALREADY A GAS STATION AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF DOING IT, GET THE STATION, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT MYSELF TO SUCH A OVERLAY AT THIS POINT, GO TO CONDITIONER OVERLAY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF THAT OVERLAY TO BEGIN WITH.

BECAUSE THE LAST TIME I CHANGED THE ZONING, THEY APPROVED THAT GR CEO, UH, CONDITION, BEING THAT, AS THEY SAID, NO OTHER MOTIVE SERVICES, THINGS IN THAT NATURE, CARWASH OR WHATEVER.

I UNDERSTAND THAT PART.

AND, UH, AGAIN, MY INTENTION IS TO GET THE MOST USE OF THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY AT THE CORNER.

UH, BUT I WANTED TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE RULE AND REGULATION.

I LOVE TO GET THE MOST USE OF IT.

THERE IS NOTHING TO, FROM MY SIDE, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO COVER IT.

AND I'M TELLING YOU ALL LIT UP AND IT'S A GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY.

UNFORTUNATELY, MAJORITY OF IT IS IN FLOOD PLAIN.

SO THAT IS NOT THAT MUCH THAT THEY COULD USE TO DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO EXCEPT POSSIBLY MIXED USE SO THAT I COULD GET THE MOST OUT OF IT.

UH, AGAIN, I TOLD YOU GUYS LAST TIME THAT IT'S VERY GOOD PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNFORTUNATE.

AND IT'S A SHAME THAT, THAT KIND OF BACKGROUND, AS IN BEING IN THE FLOOD, I, THE TIME FACTOR IS GETTING MORE, MORE, MORE FLOOD BY FEMALES MAP, WHICH I HAD NO IDEA IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THIS.

OTHERWISE I PULL UP BASED SOMETHING ON IT BACK IN 2003, FOUR, FIVE WHEN I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY.

BUT SO I DO APPRECIATE IF Y'ALL CAN SEE THE, JUST, YEAH, I KNOW GR UH, AND YOU WITHOUT ATTACHING ANY CONDITION TO IT.

AND I DO, I DO, I DO NOT WANT TO DO .

I'M DONE, I'VE DONE A LOT OF GUMMIES DURING MY LIFE IN THE PAST, BUT IN 2008, I JUST SAID GOODBYE WITH THE FACT I DON'T DO THAT NO MORE SO, BUT I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THAT THINGS IN THERE.

I HOPE YOU ALL UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM, BUT I'M TRYING TO SAY, I DO APPRECIATE A VOTE IN FAVOR OF GR IN YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND, UM, I WON'T GO WITH THE HANDS RAISED ON THE LITTLE ICON THING AND THAT IS COMMISSIONER HANK SMITH.

YEAH.

I REMEMBER THE MONSTERS.

WE SAW IT LAST TIME.

AND SO CONSTRAINED MY FLOOD PLAIN.

THERE SIMPLY IS NO LAND LEFT AND HE NEEDS THE MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY WITHOUT ANY OVERLAID TO BUILD ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY.

AND SO WE AGREED LAST TIME THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT IN THE OVERLAY BECAUSE THERE'S SO LITTLE DEVELOPABLE LAND.

WE DON'T WANT TO CONSTRAIN HIM ANY MORE THAN WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BECAUSE I WOULD NOT SUPPORT PUTTING AN AGENT ON THE PROPERTY.

THANK YOU.

THEN COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER KING, AND THEN COMMISSIONER DANGLER AND THEN DUNCAN.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, YOU KNOW, I RECALL WHEN THIS CASE CAME UP, UM, I BELIEVE I POINTED OUT THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING WOULD, UH, AS I RECALL IN THIS CASE THAT WOULD WE LIMIT HIM TO 35 FEET, I BELIEVE, OR SOMETHING LESS THAN 60 FEET.

I BELIEVE I POINTED THAT OUT BECAUSE I, IF I'M NOT CONFUSING IT WITH ANOTHER CASE, BUT SO I'M SURPRISED THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOW SAYING THAT, THAT THE,

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OF THE APPLICANT WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT SITUATION WHEN IT WAS DISCUSSED DURING THE ZONING, WHEN WE HEARD THIS ZONING CASE EARLIER.

SO, AS I UNDERSTAND AND RECALL, WE DID PASS IT WITH A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY TO PROHIBIT GAS STATIONS.

THAT'S WHAT WE PASSED.

SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT WOULD CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THAT.

AND I THINK IT IS REASONABLE GIVEN THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID, HE DOESN'T WANT TO PUT A GAS STATION THERE.

IT DOESN'T WANT TO PUT A CONVENIENCE STORE IN THERE.

SO IF THEY, IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO DO THAT, THEN I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS GOING TO REALLY IMPAIR HIM AND WHAT HE'S, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO THESE TWO USES.

SO I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE RESTRICTING CONVENIENCE STORE USE.

WE'RE SAYING IF WE ADD THIS IN, BUT WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT IT HAS TO GO FOR A CONDITIONAL USE A HEARING AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, SO, UH, OR WOULD THAT COME TO US? WOULD THAT COME TO US? IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, RIGHT? YEAH.

SO ANYWAY, THAT'S ALL THAT'S SAYING.

AND THEN THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT, DOES THAT FIT INTO THE CONTEXT INTO WHAT'S NEEDED BY THE COMMUNITY THERE, IN THAT AREA AND WHAT'S ALREADY THERE AND HOW THAT AREA IS CHANGING.

SO ANYWAY, I SUPPORT A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, UH, WITH, UH, PROOFREADING GAS STATIONS IN A, AND A CONVENIENCE STORE BEING A, UH, A, UM, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

OKAY.

AND NOW COMMISSIONER DANCLER AND THEN COMMISSIONER DUNKIN, AND THEN COMMISSIONER EVANS.

I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS HE WANTED TO DO IT A GYRO, A HIERARCHAL.

I HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING THAT CORRECTLY STORE.

UM, SO I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH HIM, UM, AND SEE IF THAT WAS STILL WHAT HE WAS PROPOSING TO DO.

I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? UH, COMMISSIONER BANKER, COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION PLEASE? BY MY, UH, CALL THE MEETING? UM, SO WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO ON THE PROPERTY? WHAT WAS YOUR PROPOSAL? YOU SAW IT AS ZONING CHANGE.

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? OKAY.

I BOUGHT TO BUILD SOMETHING SINCE I AM LOSING THE LINKS, RIGHT.

MAYBE I GAINED SOME OF HEIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO.

YOU WERE TRYING TO DO A, UH, A GYRO, UH, SHOP, A SANDWICH KIND OF SHOP? NO, NO, I'M SORRY.

THAT WAS NOT THE INTENDED, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET WORD FROM THAT IS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.

OKAY.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE A GYRUS SHOP.

OKAY.

UM, THANK YOU.

SO, UM, THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

I'M KIND OF LIKE DAVID, I AM TRYING TO FOLLOW THE PLANNING PRINCIPLES HERE.

I'M LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP AND I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE LR WAS MORE APPROPRIATE GIVEN WHAT WAS SURROUNDING THE PROPERTIES, UM, LR CROSS, UH, THIS, UH, NINE 69.

IT'S ALMOST ALL LR.

UM, AND, UM, I REALIZED THERE IS FLOOD PLAIN ON THE PROPERTY.

UH, THE MAP THAT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE ABOUT A QUARTER TO A THIRD OF IT IS FLOODPLAIN, BUT THAT STILL GIVES HIM, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, TWO AND A HALF ACRES TO DEVELOP.

WE ACRES TO DEVELOP THAT I'M NOT SEEING WHY THE HEIGHT IS NEEDED.

AND I HAVE TO ADMIT, I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR ANOTHER GAS STATION.

UM, SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT ON THE MATTER.

UM, I'M TRYING TO FOLLOW PLANNING PRINCIPLES HERE, UM, BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE HAD BEFORE ON THIS CASE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER EVANS.

OH, YES.

FIVE ACRES OF WOODLAND.

IT'S TOTAL 4.7 ACRE.

THAT IS USABLE.

ALMOST, NOT EVEN

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AN ACRE, ACCORDING TO THE MAP, I'VE BEEN TOO SEVERE MANY TIMES AND I KIND OF EVEN GOOD A RESTAURANT IN THERE.

I WAS TRYING TO, WHAT DID SHE INFORMATION? THAT IS NOT CORRECT? I AGREE.

SHE WAS OKAY.

AND NOW COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND THEN COMMISSIONER EVANS.

I FORGOT.

MY QUESTION WAS, IS, IS COMMISSIONER DUMPING GOING TO PASS? APPARENTLY I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF AUDIO DIFFICULTY ON MY END, BUT IF Y'ALL CAN HEAR ME A COMMISSION.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

ONE, UH, I THINK THAT WE'RE REMISS WHEN WE ASK AN APPLICANT, WHAT HE AND DAMS TO DO WITH THAT PIECE OF LAND.

WHAT WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT IS WHETHER THE ZONING IS APPLICABLE TO THAT PIECE OF LAND FROM THE WHOLE CODE ASPECT.

AND WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THAT APPLICANT MAY GET THAT JOAN, HE MAY HOLD IT, HE MAY BUILD ON IT, OR HE MAY SELL IT.

AND SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, IT'S CERTAINLY GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED.

LESSEE FIGURED OUT HOW TO LIVE FOREVER.

AND, UH, WE APPROACH SO MANY OF THESE CASES WITH A SPECIFIC QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU MR. APPLICANT INTEND TO DO RIGHT THERE? AND BY PUTTING THESE CONDITIONAL OVERLAYS IN PLACE, WE JUST CONTINUE TO INHIBIT THE ACTUAL, UH, PROFITABLE VIEWS.

WE WANT THESE PEOPLE TO PAY TAXES.

WE WANT THEM TO DO THINGS, BUT WE WANTED TO DO IT WITH SO MANY RESTRICTIONS.

SO I CANNOT SUPPORT ANY OVERLAY ON THIS.

I'LL GO BACK TO THE SAME BOAT WE DID THE LAST TIME.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND HIS NEED FOR HEIGHTS.

IF HE'S IMPAIRED BY ALL THE FLOODPLAIN.

OKAY.

COMMISSIONER, I WILL DO THAT.

I MOVE, I WOULD MOVE THAT.

WE THANKS ALREADY.

SECOND, DID IT FAR BE APPROVED AS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR G R M U AS AMENDED? YEAH.

LESS THAN A 10TH OF AN ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO LIVE AT THE NEW ATLAS 13 FLOOD, PLAIN, NOT THE OLD FLOOD PLAIN, BUT THE NEW ATLAS, 14 FLOOD PLAIN THERE SIMPLY BURIED VERY LITTLE LAND LEFT IN DEVELOPMENT.

AND I'M GOING TO STEP IN AND SAY, I'M, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THE MOTION BECAUSE I LOOKED UP THE HISTORY.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE DID RECOMMEND THE G L M M U C O, THAT NEVER WENT TO COUNCIL.

AND SO IT'S STILL GRC THOUGH.

AND I HAVE DRIVEN PAST THAT PROPERTY SEVERAL TIMES AND IT, YEAH, IT IS.

IT'S AN INTERESTING PROPERTY AND AN INTERESTING AREA.

AND, UM, AND THAT NEEDS MORE DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S RIGHT NEAR AS I BELIEVE AT ONE 83 ALSO.

SO, UM, I WILL SUPPORT IT.

SO, UM, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, OR SHOULD WE JUST TAKE A VOTE? OH, COMMISSIONER GARY.

I JUST WANT SAY IT AGAIN, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SO CLOSE TO THE FLOOD PLAIN.

AND I KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERTS AT THIS AND MEET THAT NEED, BUT I JUST WORRY WHEN YOU HAVE CHEMICALS THAT POST, MY CONCERN IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE HAVING A SERVICE STATION SO CLOSE TO THE FLOOD, PLAIN.

ANY OTHER USES WOULD BE GREAT.

YOU NEED, YOU JUST HAVE TO WATCH THE CHEMICAL PIECE, BUT THIS IS SO, SO CLOSE TO A FLOOD PLAIN.

I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE ACTUALLY.

SO, UM, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH HEIGHT, UM, ANY OTHER USES, BUT THE CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE AGAIN, WOULD BE THE, ANY POSSIBLE CHEMICAL CONTAMINATION I WILL GO DOWN.

I, UH, ALL GO.

I SEE COMMISSIONER, I SEE COMMISSIONER EVANS RAISING HIS HAND VERY OPENLY, BUT I WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER BENKLER AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER EVANS ON THE HAND NIGHT TIME THING, I KEPT MY HAND.

I COUNT ON, UM, I, I COULD,

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I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER SMITH HAS DONE A GOOD JOB.

I WAS RELYING ON THE ZONING MAP AND IF HE'S TELLING ME THE ATLAS MAKES UP PROPERTY, THAT I'M RENDERABLE, I CAN SEE GIVING HIM BEHIND, BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR AN ADDITIONAL ASK STATION BACK AND GIVE HIM THE NUMBER THEY HAVE AND GIVE HIM THE PROXIMITY TO THE, UM, FOREIGN PLANE.

UM, I WOULD SUPPORT THE GR IF THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL OVERLAY, PROHIBITING A SERVICE STATION, WHERE DOES GTR HAVE, UH, 50, 60 USES VERSUS LR, WHICH IS 40 USES.

SO I THINK THE CASE HAS BEEN MADE TO GIVE HIM EVEN MORE USES, BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT SERVICE STATION.

I DON'T THINK ADDING A THIRD SERVICE STATION IS REALLY GOOD PLANNING THERE.

WELL, I'M GOING TO INTERJECT BEFORE I GO TO COMMISSIONER EVANS AND JUST SAY, THEN SOMEBODY MAKE A MOTION ABOUT A SERVICE STATION.

SO WE GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF YES OR NO.

AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE GR AND GR NOW REMEMBER THAT IT'S NOT THE LR THAT WE VOTED ON.

UM, I'LL MOVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION PROHIBITING, UM, SERVICE STATIONS.

IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY.

COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER IS OUR THEORY AND COMMISSIONER KING, BUT I'LL GO WITH COMMISSIONER GARY.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION AND WE CAN JUST DO A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT THE GAS STATION, UM, COMMISSION I'M RELYING ON COMMISSIONER EVANS, CAUSE HE'S HAD HIS LITTLE ICON HAND UP.

RIGHT.

I REALIZE WE'RE GOING TO PLAY BOTH, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS WE'VE GOT A, A VERY ADAPT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL SEEN CASES LIKE THIS BEFORE, UH, ADS APP, WHERE THERE'VE BEEN SERVICE STATIONS NEXT TO A FLOOD PLAIN AREAS.

AND I WOULD THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH THE ADJACENCY THAT THIS SITE OFFERS, YOU WOULD FIND THAT THE PHYSICAL FACILITIES THAT WOULDN'T NEED TO BE ERECTED FOR CONTAINMENT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE UP ALL THE PLAN THAT WAS LEFT FOR DEVELOPMENT.

WE ARE, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS HERE ON USES.

AND WHO'S TO SAY THAT 15 YEARS FROM NOW, THESE SERVICE STATIONS THAT ARE JASON ACROSS THE STREET, THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS FOR WHATEVER REASON OR ANOTHER.

UH, I'M NOT SAYING THAT HE'S GOING TO BUILD, HE SAID, HE'S NOT GOING TO BUILD A SERVICE STATION, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, EVEN IF IT WAS ALLOWED, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE.

BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE FUTURE WHERE HE COULD ACQUIRE THE LAND, THERE WOULD BE SOME ABANDONMENT, WHATEVER.

WHY WOULD WE WANT TO RESTRICT IT AT THIS POINT IN TIME JUST TO BE DOING SO ON SOMETHING THAT CAN'T HAPPEN ANYWAY.

SO I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, I'LL JUST CALL FOR A VOTE.

OH, UM, COMMISSIONER DINKLER DO YOU HAVE YOUR LITTLE IMAGINARY HAND SIGN? OKAY, GREAT.

OKAY.

THEN SEEING NONE THEN ALL I'M ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO PROHIBIT A SERVICE STATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

I'M GOING TO GO ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND I'LL READ IT OUT FOR THE RECORD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR WAS COMMISSIONER WAS ME.

CABASA DINKLER COMMISSIONER KING COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER, DUNKIN, COMMISSIONER RAMIREZ, ALL THOSE OPPOSED FOR COMMISSIONER SMITH, COMMISSIONER BRAY AND COMMISSIONER EVANS.

AND I SH AND UM, SO THE MOTION PASSES OR FAILS, UH, SIX TO THREE OR SIX TO THREE.

SO WE'VE GOT A C ON THERE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND TOO BUSY FOCUSING ON MY MATH THERE.

AND NOW FOR THE MAIN MOTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO DO GRM YOU, OR IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION KAREN LISTENER? I AM GOING TO GO WITH THE IMAGINARY LITTLE HAND COMMISSIONER.

DANCLER WE JUST CALL THE QUESTION ON THE MAIN MOTION NOW? I MEAN, WE, WE DIDN'T, I, I JUMPED TO IT THINKING THAT WE WERE SORT OF DONE WITH OUR DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER KING.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE IT ONE LAST TRY HERE AND I'LL BE REAL QUICK.

WOULD ANYBODY BE WILLING TO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO HAVE REQUIRED A CONVENIENCE STORE TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT?

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OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MOTION FAILS FOR LACK OF A SECOND.

AND GOOD TRY THOUGH.

AND NOW FOR THE MAIN MOTION IS FOR A STAFF RECOMMENDATION WITH THE AMENDMENT WITH, UH, TO MAKE A GR AM NEW CEO WITH THE CEO BEING TO PROHIBIT A SERVICE STATION, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I SEE IMAGINARY HANDS, BUT I THINK THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

UM, SO ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND MOTION.

IT IS ME COMMISSIONER DANGLER, COMMISSIONER, KEN COMMISSIONER, GARY COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, VICE CHAIR, BURWELL, RAMIREZ, COMMISSIONER BRAY, ALL THOSE OPPOSED COMMISSIONER SMITH AND COMMISSIONER EVANS.

SO THEIR MOTION PASSES SEVEN TO TWO.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RAMI FOR STICKING WITH US.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

HEY, YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU.

I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

YES, CAUSE SECOND, THE MAIN MOTION AFTER, UH, COMMISSIONER EVANS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND NOW I'M GOING TO DO

[B3. Resubdivision: C8-2019-0100.0A - Resubdivision of Lot 3, Block E, Westover Hills Section Four Section Phase Two; District 10]

B3, WHICH IS THE RESUB DIVISION C EIGHT DASH 2019 DASH ZERO ONE ZERO 0.08.

AND THE STAFF MEMBER IS CAESAR SAVALA COMMUNITY COMMISSIONERS.

THIS IS HOUSE OF ALLAH.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

THEY, UM, COULD EVEN THE COMMISSIONER TO US FROM ALL OVER THE CITY OF MY DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT FOR TTD 2019 ZERO ONE ZERO 0.08, THE RE SUBDIVISION OF LOT THREE BLOCK E WESTOVER HILLS, SECTION 42, A PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 0.4329 ACRES.

AND THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO SUBDIVIDE THE PROPERTY INTO TWO LOTS.

THE LOCATION OF THIS RECENT DIVISION IS AT 4,201 HYDRATES DRIVE A WHAT IS OWNING A OF SF THREE? UH, THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PROPERTY ARE THAT IT HAS A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF 5,750 SQUARE FEET AND A MINIMUM LOT WITH THE 50 FEET, THE APPLICATION HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED FOR CORE REQUIREMENTS.

AND, UH, THE APPLICATION HAS MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO YOU AS A STAFF RECOMMENDATION, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

AND, UM, ALSO, UH, TRANSPORTATION REVIEW IS ALSO, UH, ON HAVE THE JOB.

HE HAS ANY INFORMATION TO PROVIDE.

SORRY, I HAD TO ANSWER THE DOOR.

I'M THE ONLY ONE HERE.

I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

AND UM, SO THEN WE HAVE, UH, UH, THE APPLICANT'S AGENT IS SCHEDULED TO SPEAK AND I BELIEVE YOUR NAME IS MR. UPPERLY.

AM I PRONOUNCING THAT RIGHT? MR. UPPERLY BRUCE OPERA? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

SO YOU WILL HAVE SIX MINUTES.

I'LL TRY TO DO THIS WITHOUT AIR, BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD.

I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, BUT SAVES OUR WIN OVER THE CONDITION.

I MEAN, UH, REQUEST, WE MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY AND STATE CODE, THEREFORE IT'S RECOMMENDED TO APPROVE IT.

UM, DO YOU HAVE EXHIBITS AT ALL? DO YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN? ANYTHING? I HAVE A QUESTION OF YOU HAVE YELL, IT'D BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THEM UP.

YEAH.

DOES ANDREW PUT THEM UP? JUST A NOTE, WHAT NUMBER PAGE HAS BEEN REQUESTED? SO A B ZERO, I GUESS.

OKAY.

WELL, THESE ZERO SHOWS THE GENERAL AREA.

THE SUBJECT TRACK IS IN THE CENTER.

UM, NEXT PAGE IS B ZERO THREE,

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WHICH IS THE ORIGINAL PLAT THAT WAS DONE APPROXIMATELY 40 YEARS AGO.

UH, THIS INTERSECTION THAT EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS.

AND THEN B ONE B THREE, AGAIN, IS THE PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.

I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE SUBDIVISION PROPOSES A PUBLIC SIDEWALK FOR THE LENGTH OF THE SUBDIVISION.

UH, IT ALSO PROPOSES A PUBLIC UTILITY FOR THE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY ALONG THE ROAD.

IT, UH, PROPOSES THAT A DRIVEWAY, UH, BE PERMITTED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN AND APPROVED.

AND ALSO, UH, THE IMPERVIOUS COVER IS LIMITED TO ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET.

UM, I INCLUDED ARIEL, NOT AERIAL PHOTOS, BUT PHOTOS OF THE INTERSECTION, ONE FROM A MOUNTAIN RIDGE, ONE FROM HIGH RIDGE, UH, EAST AND I RIDGE LEFT OR WEST.

AND THEN I WANTED TO NOTE THERE'S A APPROXIMATELY EIGHT PEOPLE OPPOSED TO IT.

UH, AND I JUST WANTED TO READ FROM CATHERINE YORK'S, UH, COMMENTS, OR SHE READ NEW STOP SIGNS WERE PUT IN LAST YEAR AT THIS INTERSECTION, BUT THEY ARE COMPLETELY INEFFECTIVE CARS AND TRUCKS RARELY STOP AND OCCASIONALLY SLOW DOWN, UH, MOST COMMONLY THE CARS AND TRUCKS CONTINUE THROUGH THE STOP SIGN WITHOUT SHOWING AT STOPPING AT ALL.

THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC IN THIS STREET INTERSECTION AND WHAT YOU DON'T SEE AS THERE ARE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, NEW STOP SIGNS, NEW STOP BARS AND NEW, A STOP AHEAD SIGNS ON THE HIGH RIDGE SIDE, A NEW STOP SIGN, A NEW STOP BARS ON THE MOUNTAIN SIDE.

SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO OVER THAT.

AND I GOT TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO DON CARRINGTON, UH, EARLIER THIS WEEK.

AND I READ ALL THE COMMENTS AND WHATEVER THEY HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.

I'M REALLY THINKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY THEMSELVES TRY TO GET THIS FIXED IN THE CITY OF AUSTIN, CAME OUT AND DID A STANDARD THREE WAYS.

STOP STOPPING HEAD.

OP BARS DID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS, BUT PEOPLE ARE NOT BEHAVING AT THE INTERSECTION.

THEY HAD 40 YEARS OF FREE TERMS, AND NOW WE'VE ASKED THEM NOT TO DO THE PRETERMS OR THE CITY HAS ASKED THEM NOT TO DO THE FREE TURNS.

SO THE PROBLEM IS REALLY HOW DO YOU GET THE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE AND BEHAVE THAT THE STOP SIGNS ARE THERE AND IN THE DO THE PROPER THING? SO THAT'S WHY I THINK, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF FALL BACK ON US, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT, THE, UM, THE LOT ITSELF WE'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT WHEN THE HOUSE IS DESIGNED AND BROUGHT IN THAT THE BUILDING PERMIT WILL INCLUDE A NEW DRIVEWAY CUT IN A NEW SIDEWALK.

ALL THOSE FEATURES WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE CURRENT OWNER AND WILL BE APPROVED BY THE CITY OF AUSTIN.

SO I'M NOT QUITE FOLLOWING WHAT OTHER ISSUES THERE MAY BE.

SO I STOPPED PRONOUNCED.

HELLO? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO REBUT AND NOW SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AGAINST IS VICTORIA CANTU AND VICTORIA CANTEEN.

WE'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

GOOD EVENING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

OKAY.

START MY THREE MINUTES NOW.

UM, SO I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM

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42 OH ONE HIGHER EDGE.

AND I'M SPEAKING TODAY IN OPPOSITION OF PROPOSED SUBDIVISION.

AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT STATE LAW REQUIRES THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE SUBDIVISION IF COVARIANCES ARE REQUIRED.

AND THE PROPOSAL BEFORE THE COMMISSION STATES TO NO VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED, BUT I SUBMIT THAT THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IS TO, UM, OBVIOUSLY I LISTENING TO THIS, I DO NOT THINK YOU GUYS ARE JUST A RUBBER STAMP.

UM, AND, UM, AND WE'LL MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER VARIANCES ARE REQUIRED AND THAT'S THE WITH SLOT.

I MEAN, I CAN SPEAK FOR WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CONCERNED ABOUT.

CAUSE HONESTLY, I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS, AND WE'RE JUST WORRIED ABOUT SAFETY.

IT'S A BLIND CURVE ON A BUSY STREET AND THERE WAS A 2009 APPLICATIONS.

THE SUBDIVIDE THAT WAS DENIED DUE TO THIS, THEY SAID, WELL, THAT'S ENOUGH STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE TO MEET CODE NOW.

UM, AS MR. APPLEGATE POINTED OUT, THERE IS A STOP SIGN AT THE LOCATION.

AND I FRANKLY DON'T KNOW WHAT HER STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE IS STILL AN ISSUE BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN ANY OF THE PUBLIC DOCUMENTATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CALCULATION WAS REDONE, BUT I'M ALSO CONCERNED FOR SAFETY WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THE INTERSEX REVENUE DRIVER WOULD BE LOCATED.

UM, I'VE GONE OUT THERE.

I I'VE WALKED IT, I ROCK IT EVERY DAY.

UM, AND IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE DRIVER WOULD HAVE TO BE LOCATED IN EITHER WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE, AND IT WOULD BE A KIND OF A BLIND AREA OF NAZI OR IN THE ACTUAL CURB OF THAT INTERSECTION.

AND I, I, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS TO ME AGAIN, I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON CITY CODE, BUT IT DOES SAY PER HEAD THAT PUTTING A DRIVEWAY IN A CURB RETURN, WHICH IS THE CURB SECTION OF CURB USE THE STREET INTERSECTIONS AND JOINING STRAIGHT SECTIONS OF THE CURB.

SO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S LIKELY FOR SAFETY REASONS.

CAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY AND THE TRAFFIC, I THINK, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK TO ANYBODY ELSE IN HERE FOR MYSELF, BUT I WILL JUST SAY I'VE SPOKEN TO A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS AND IT JUST LOOKS UNSAFE.

I MEAN, PEOPLE IN KIDS WALK THESE STREETS EVERY DAY.

I MEAN, WE CROSS IT.

THERE'S BIKES ON THESE STREETS.

UM, MY FOUR KIDS BIKE AND WALK THIS EVERY DAY.

AND I REALLY AM CONCERNED THAT IF THEY SUBDIVIDE THE SLOT AND PUT IT IN A NEW TRACKWAY, THAT IS GOING TO BE INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS FOR NOT JUST MY KIDS, BUT ALL THE KIDS WHO WALK AND LIKE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY BASIS.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN MR. ALBERT LEE I'LL PROBABLY WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO REBUT.

HMM.

OKAY.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 2009 APPLICATION WASN'T, BUT WE AGREED THAT THE SITE DISTANCE WAS NOT THERE FOR WHAT WAS PROPOSED AND THAT APPLICATION WAS REMOVED.

AND WHETHER TWO YEARS AGO, WHEN THE SIGNS WENT UP, THEY PROVIDED A STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE AT THE SIGN, THE STOP SIGNS.

SO NOW THERE IS, UM, A PLACE FOR US, A DRIVEWAY.

UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN MRS. CANTU SAID CURB RETURN.

WHEN SHE TALKING ABOUT CURVE, T U R V E OR C CURB T U R B.

THAT'S MY QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS NO CURVE RETURN AND THERE IS ONLY IN THERE'S NO CURB RETURN THERE AT THAT LOCATION.

WE CAN ASK HER, WE CAN ASK, UM, MS. CANTU THAT LATER, UM, I SUSPECT SHE'S STILL ON THE LINE.

UM, DO YOU WANT TO FINISH UP YOUR THREE MINUTES? OKAY.

NO, I STOPPED OR NO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE LITTLE HANDS THAT GO UP AND FIRST ACTUALLY WE SHOULD HAVE, I SEE COMMISSIONER DUNCAN, CAUSE I WILL CALL ON YOU, BUT WE'LL WORK ON THE HAND THING.

FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS SORT OF AN INTERSECTION I AM COMMITTED WITH.

I SENT SOME MATERIAL TO STAFF.

IF I COULD GET THE GRAPHICS PUT UP ON THE SCREEN, I'D LIKE TO, UM, YEAH, THAT ONE FIRST.

OOPS, I LOST IT.

WHERE'D IT GO? YUP.

THAT'S IT.

UH, THANK YOU.

UH, THIS IS AN INTERESTING

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AREA BECAUSE IT'S SHAUNA THE CENTROID IN THE NORTHWEST AREA AND IT HAPPENS TO BE AT THE CROSSROADS OF, UH, I THINK A SHORTCUT UP THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT TAKE SHORTCUTS, AVOID SPICE WORD, UH, OUR MESA WHEN THEY'RE MOVING IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION, UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT EXPRESSES IN THE MOST BRIEF WAY.

UM, FIRST OF ALL IS RATHER LARGE SIZE, ESPECIALLY NOT AN ISSUE.

IN FACT, I RECALL IT'S CLOSE TO HALF AN ACRE AND UH, UH, DIVIDING IT THE TWO, 10,000 SQUARE FOOT, LOTS OF WOULD NOT BE A NORMAL NORMAL SITUATION.

UH, AND IT DOES BRING UP THE OTHER ISSUE OF THE SUMMING ORDINANCE BEING 57 50, WHICH SHOWS HOW OUT OF DATE OUR CODE IS.

THERE ARE PROBABLY NO LOTS INTEGRATED NEAR THIS THAT ARE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SIZE, BUT IT IS A DANGEROUS AREA BECAUSE IT IS THE CROSSROADS.

THIS PARTICULAR GRAPHIC SHOWS RIGHT HERE THAT IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MOVE FROM MESA, UH, TO THREE 60, UH, YOU HAVE TO, IT'S SORT OF LIKE THAT OLD SAYING THAT IF YOU'RE, IT DOESN'T MATTER, WHETHER YOU'RE GOING TO HEAVEN OR HELL, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH HARTSVILLE.

AND I WOULD IMAGINE ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THIS STATE, BUT PASS THIS, THIS PICK A LOT AT ONCE A DAY ON THEIR WAY TO WORK PLATE OR A SHOPPING, UH, GO TO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT GRAPH I'VE GOT THERE.

UH, IT IS THE DANGEROUS IT'S SIGNED ALL OVER THE PLACE.

THIS IS THE LOT IT'S GOT THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO TURN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

I'M SURPRISED THAT NOBODY HAS PLOWED INTO THAT SIGN BEFORE AND IT SHOWS THE CURVE.

IT SHOWS THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS.

IT, UH, I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT AND THE LADY WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE TO PUT IT IN A DRIVEWAY IS ON THE INSIDE OF A CURB BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S COMING COMMITTED TO THE DIRECTION, UH, WHICH WOULD MAKE THIS A RATHER HAZARDOUS ASSIGNED PLANT.

I THINK THAT WAS TAKEN THE ACCELERATION ON IT YEARS AGO FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS ACTUALLY SUBDIVIDED.

UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, THE NEXT GRAPHIC.

YEAH.

THESE ARE ON GOOGLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY NEW ONES.

I THINK IT'S RATHER INTERESTING BECAUSE THE ARROW'S POINTING TO THE LOT FROM ALL THREE DIRECTIONS.

UH, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY'VE GOT THESE, EVEN THESE LITTLE FLAGS UP THERE.

I'M NOT IN THE TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT, BUT I WOULD HAVE MENTIONED THAT THAT MEANS I PUT SOME EMPHASIS ON STOP AND SOMEBODY TESTIFIED, NOBODY STOPS THERE.

WELL, I'M SURPRISED THERE HAVEN'T BEEN A LOT OF ACCIDENTS BECAUSE IT IS A DANGEROUS SITE THAT WAS STRICTED AREA AND YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE DIRECTIONS, UH, THE EMPHASIS ON STOP.

I THINK WHENEVER I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, THIS CAME UP 10 YEARS AGO AND STAFF RECOMMENDED AGAINST IT THAT COULD UNDERSTAND THAT A WATCH CHANGED TO 10 YEARS.

UH, IF ANYTHING, THERE'S BEEN MORE DENSITY AND MORE TRAFFIC.

AND, UH, SO WHAT IS COMPELLING STAFF TO RUBBER STAMP THIS APPLICATION? BUT 10 YEARS AGO, THEY FELT LIKE THAT, UH, THE CONDITIONS DID NOT MERIT, UH, THE SUBDIVISION OF THE LOT.

SO I'D LIKE TO STAFF TO DIRECTLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

I KNOW THEY WORK AROUND HERE IN 2009, UH, BUT, UH, UH, IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A VERY SMALL, AND I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE COMMISSION, MS. RAMIREZ SPECIALTY IS INTEREST IF SHE HAS ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT FROM TRANSPORTATION ACCESS POINT OF VIEW.

SO THOSE ARE JUST MY COMMENTS.

I WANTED TO GET THEM ON THE TABLE.

I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

I ACTUALLY TAKE THAT QUITE OFTEN, WHENEVER I'M TRYING TO AVOID OR GET ACROSS THIS, WHAT I DO KNOW THE SITUATION QUITE WELL.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SAY COMMISSIONER OR VICE CHAIR? BURWELL.

RAMIREZ.

DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST AND THEN I'LL GO TO COMMITTEE AND THEN I'LL GO TO, UH, MR. ZABALA.

SURE.

AND, UM, SO I DID TAKE QUITE A, YOU KNOW, I DID LOOK AT THIS QUITE A BIT.

I DIDN'T DRIVE OUT THERE AND EXPERIENCE THE CHANGE CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE.

UM, AND I ASKED THAT TRANSPORTATION STAFF BE ON THE CALL BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THE SIGHT DISTANCE, YOU KNOW, THE VISION ISSUES.

I DON'T, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS PROPOSED TO BE PLACED.

I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT THEY'RE CONSIDERING ADDING A SIDEWALK.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY NEEDED IN THIS AREA.

UM, SO THAT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD, GOOD THING.

BUT, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE SUN GITA OR SOMEONE ELSE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IS ON THE CALL THAT CAN TALK TO SOME OF THESE SAFETY CONCERNS.

YEAH.

WHO WAS THERE FROM THE TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR, PLEASE

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COMMISSIONER, UH, THIS IS A DSD.

I BELIEVE I'M SHOULD TO BE ON THE LINE.

I BEEN HE'S DEAD SILENT.

I JUST DON'T.

YEAH.

I, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED AN ENGINEER TO TALK ABOUT THE SAFETY CAUSE YEAH, I APPRECIATE YOUR REQUEST.

I THINK THIS JUST SHOWS THAT WE HAVE NOT REALLY MASTERED VIRTUAL CONFERENCE ROOM, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE.

THE REAL RAMIREZ HAD ASKED FOR SOMEBODY FROM TRANSPORTATION TO BE ON, UM, UTTERLY.

I WAS HOPEFUL.

I WAS HOPING FOR AN ENGINEER THAT COULD SPEAK TO THE TRIANGULATION AND THE SITES AND ALL THIS STUFF.

CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S OUR MAIN ISSUE.

WE CAN'T APPEAL.

WELL, WE'RE WAITING ON THAT.

THE SIDEWALK ISSUE, I CONSIDER A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.

SO PUTTING A SIDEWALK ON THIS ONE BLOCK.

I DON'T KNOW.

I SAW ONE, I DON'T KNOW.

I'M NOT, I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THERE IS A SIDEWALK JUST SOUTH OF THE LOT DOWN THE HILL.

SO IT WOULD CONNECT TO IT.

IT WOULD CONNECT TO AN EXISTING SIDEWALK AND THEN WHERE MISCON TWO LIVES, UH, THEY COULD PUT IN A CROSSWALK TO, SHE'S GOT A SIDEWALK ON HER SIDE OF THE STREET THERE.

OKAY.

IS OUR TRANSPORTATION EXPERT? YES, I CAN.

FOR SOME REASON I WAS BIT I CAN TALK TO YOU, BUT I'M HERE.

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

BUT A VICE CHAIR.

SURE.

I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVEN'T.

DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, SO WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THE SUBDIVISION, NOT KNOWING WHERE THIS DRIVEWAY PLACEMENT IS GOING TO BE AND THE ISSUE WITH SIGHT DISTANCE AND STOPPING DISTANCE AND VISIBILITY AND ALL THOSE CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY.

YES.

OKAY.

I CAN ADDRESS THE VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.

UM, I THINK WE NEED TO BEGIN BY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH A SEGREGATION CASE, A SIMPLE GENE, UH, ADDED, UH, W BEING ADDED ON AN EXTRA LINE.

UM, SO THAT'S BEFORE US RIGHT NOW.

UH, BUT IT IS THE FUTURE OF THE PROPERTY CAN BE DEVELOPED, UH, IN MULTIPLE WAYS.

UH, ONE PERHAPS NOT EVEN REQUIRING A DRIVEWAY CUTS AT ALL, PERHAPS THE 16 DRIVEWAY COULD BE EXTENDED AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO ACCESS EASEMENT TO THE OTHER, TO THE OTHER LOT.

SO THAT IS AN OPTION.

UM, UH, UM, I GUESS, UH, EXACT CONDITIONS WON'T BE KNOWN UNTIL EIGHT SITE PLAN IS ACTUALLY, UM, UH, IN HOUSE, UNDER, UNDER REVIEW.

UH, SO THE STANDPOINT WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, UM, THE SITUATION NOW HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY AS IT WAS PROPOSED BACK IN 2009.

UH, AND THE MAIN THING IS THAT NOW WE HAVE A FULLY CONTROLLED INTERSECTION, SO WE HAVE STOP SIGNS AND HOPEFULLY SIDES.

WELL, AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

SO IN PREVIOUS YEARS, UH, CROSS ROADS WITH THE TRAVEL SPEED LIMIT IS 30 MILES AN HOUR.

UH, SOMETIMES PEOPLE DO SPIT A LITTLE BIT OVER AT ANY POINT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU MEASURED THE FIVE BUSINESS AT BED TIME UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS, YES, THE LIFT WAS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT PROVED LIKE THAT.

UH, WE'LL HAVE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, UH, STOP SIGNS ON OPEN DAYS.

SO THEN THE POST COME THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION THERE, THEY JUST, THE ZERO MILES PER HOUR, AND THEN FROM ZERO MILES GRADUALLY INCREASE THEIR SPEED AND HIT THE RED.

THE DRIVER WILL BE LOCATED.

IT WOULD BE SO

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LOW THAT IT'S REALLY NOT A CONCERN FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT, THAT WE HAVE A SITE DISTANCE CONCERN AT THIS POINT.

SO THE SITUATION WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF A STOP SIGN.

UH, IF WE DID THE CALCULATIONS FOR SET STEPS EXCEPT INSIDE DISTANCE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MULTIPLY THAT NUMBER, THOSE NUMBERS, AND CAN BOUNCE A ZERO, ZERO FIVE, THIS WAS REQUIRED.

SO, UM, UH, FOR THAT, AND IF THAT COMES IN, BUT, UH, WHERE THE DRIVEWAY IS AND, UH, SITE CONSTRAINTS, LET'S SAY LIKE, UH, UH, PLANTS, UH, WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS COULD BE FOR THE DRIVEWAY, UH, TO HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME COLUMNS FOR VEHICLES ENTERING AND EXITING THEN AT BACK WHEN THEY CAN, UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY MAKE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS TO, TO AVOID THAT.

UH, ONE OF THEM COULD BE PERHAPS, UH, REQUIRING THE DRIVER TO BE IN AND OUT.

SO THIS WOULD CAUSE DO NOT BACK OUT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE HE'S ON THE LINE FOR MR. NEURONO AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE LITTLE HANDS ON THE LITTLE THINGS, BUT, UM, THEN I'LL ASK.

AND THAT IS BECAUSE I PULLED UP, UM, THANK YOU TO TORIA CANTU FOR FIRST.

UM, SENDING US THE INFORMATION FROM THE 2010 CASE WHEN IT WAS DENIED BY THE ZONING AND PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF MEASUREMENTS, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE AND CALCULATIONS.

AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, UM, THIS, UH, REPORT, UM, ALL THAT STAFF SAID ALL THAT WAS ON THE STAFF'S, UM, REPORT FOR THIS PART OF IT WAS THE, UH, THAT THE SUBDIVISION OF THE SITE CREATES A SITE DISTANCE, A SITE DISTANCE ISSUE FOR THE PROPOSED DRIVEWAY.

HOWEVER, IT WILL BE ALLOWED DUE TO THE SITE BEING ON A CONTROLLED INTERSECTION.

ADD THE FOLLOWING NOTE TO THE PLAT.

THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE SITE SHALL BE LOCATED IN A POSITION THAT MAXIMIZES THE VISIBILITY OF A VEHICLE TO THE ADJACENT INTERSECTION.

AND FOR ME, I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE MORE DETAIL TO SHOW EXACTLY THAT YOU, THAT EVERYBODY IS SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO WORK, PUT A DRIVEWAY IN THAT LOCATION BEFORE WE APPROVE A SUBDIVISION THAT WAS DENIED 10 YEARS AGO.

AND YES, THERE IS A THREE WAY STOP THERE, BUT I'VE DRIVEN THAT CAUSE I'VE USED THAT AS A CUT THROUGH.

AND I WOULD JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE APPROVING A SUBDIVISION THAT WORKS, AND I WILL GO TO COMMISSIONER EVANS.

AND I MEAN, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER DUNCAN.

AND, UM, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE STANFORD.

I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF STAFF I'VE EVER SAID SOME SUGGESTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE, SO THAT COULD QUITE UNDERSTAND HOW IT WOULD WORK.

ONE WAS IN AND OUT.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW, I'M SORRY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK.

I USUALLY YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOPPING CENTER AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE, I MEAN, OKAY, NEVERMIND.

NO, THE SECOND ONE IS THE JOINT DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO THIS LAW, I GUESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME TYPE OF ILLEGAL AGREEMENT WHERE YOU WOULD USE THE, THAT WAY TO THAT HALF OF THE LIFE THAT'S GOING TO BE REMAINING OR SOMETHING.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS I I'M SURE THIS, THIS IS A FACTUAL THING, BUT I'VE DRIVEN THAT ROAD THE LAST, WHEN DID THE SIZE, I THOUGHT THE SCIENCE HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.

SO I REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME I EVER DROVE THAT IS CONFUSING WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH.

AND I, WHEN WERE THE SIGNS OF STALL, I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION.

WHEN DID MICHELLE HAVE A THREE WAY STOP SIGN? SO THOSE ARE JUST THREE QUESTIONS I'VE GOT STAFF MAYBE TO ELABORATE ON.

AND ALSO THERE WAS NOTHING SAID ABOUT MY STATEMENT AND I'D LIKE TO NOTIFY HIM.

I DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD ANYBODY.

WHEN I SAY THAT WHEN I TOOK TRAFFIC ENGINEERING CLASSES IN COLLEGE, THEY SAID THAT THE DRIVEWAY ON THE INSIDE OF A CURVE WAS TO BE AVOIDED.

AND I DON'T THINK

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THAT ANYTHING WAS SAID ABOUT THIS BEING ON THE INSIDE OF IT POTENTIALLY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A BUSY STREET, WE HAVE A MAJOR TOPOGRAPHIC CHANGE AND AN INSIDE, I CAN'T, THAT'S ALMOST LIKE THREE STRIKES NEAR OUT OF PHILLY.

SO I'D LIKE FOR A SPECIALIST FROM TRANSPORTATION TO ADDRESS MY THREE CONCERNS THAT THANK YOU, MR. NEURON HILL, AUSTIN TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT HERE TONIGHT.

I MEAN, THIS IS RIDICULOUS.

OKAY.

I MEAN, IF WE DON'T HAVE STAFF, THEN WE SHOULDN'T BE PROCEEDING.

THE BEST ANSWER, BUT I CAN, I THINK WE HAVE, WELL, LET'S DECIDE HERE.

WE CAN, WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO POSTPONE FROM COMMISSIONER DUNKIN AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GARY.

AND SO I'M SEEING NODDING OF HEADS AND SO TO MOTION TO POSTPONE TO, I WOULD GUESS THE NEXT MEETING AND IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM ATD BE HERE AND, UM, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION.

AND I'M SO SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF MR. NEURONO, BUT IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THIS MOTION, THEN WHEN DOES THE SOUTH DIVISION CASE EXPIRE? DO WE HAVE ANY TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THIS COMMISSIONERS DEVELOPMENT SERVICES? THE APPLICATION WOULD NOT EXPIRE ON AN AGENDA.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

THANKS.

SO JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING IT COMMISSIONER DANCLER, UM, WRESTLING WITH THIS EARLIER TOO, BECAUSE I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN.

SO I'M HEARING COMMISSIONER BURWELL, RAMIREZ.

I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE ISSUE FOR COMMISSIONER GARY.

UM, JIM DUNCAN IS POINTEDLY MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT SIDE DISTANCE BEING AN ELEMENT OF NOT JUST SPEED, BUT CURVATURE, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THINGS RELATED TO THAT GRADE, YOU GOT A 23 FOOT GRADE HERE.

UM, AND SO I NOT ASSUME THEY'LL MEET SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AFTER SUBDIVISION, AND I'M REALLY HESITANT TO PROVE THAT SUBDIVISION WITHOUT KNOWING WHETHER THEY CAN DO THAT.

UH, AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS, UM, WHEN THEY CAN, WE REQUIRE A PLATINUM NOTE TO THAT EFFECT.

I SPOKE TO IVAN AND HE SUGGESTED WE COULD MODIFY THE PLAT NOTE, UM, TO REFLECT THAT IT HAS TO MEET THE SITE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT WE, UM, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW, UH, WHETHER WE NEED THE IN AND OUT, WHETHER WE NEED TO CLEAR THE BRUSH, FRANKLY, I WAS SURPRISED WE HAD FENCING WITHIN A CITY WIDE AWAY.

SO I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE POSTPONEMENT BECAUSE I REALLY THINK WE NEED A LITTLE MORE LOOK-SEE AT THE, THE, ALL THE SIGHT DISTANCE ISSUES AND SHOULD HAVE PLAT NOTES THAT REFLECT IT.

UM, AND WE'LL BE GLAD FOR THE GOOD QUESTIONS HERE BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T COMPROMISE ON THIS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM, AND ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK THAT, OH, I SEE, I SEE COMMISSIONER KING, BUT SINCE I WAS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S ACTUALLY A MATTER OF SAFETY FOR WHOEVER, HOWEVER, THAT PROPERTY IS SUBDIVIDED.

AND ALSO, I JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE A VARIANCE COMING BEFORE US AND YOU KNOW, LIKE ANOTHER SIX MONTHS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE.

AND IF SOMEBODY COULD JUST GIVE ME A NUMBER AND SHOW ME THAT IT WORKS, I'M SIGNING OFF ON THAT.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER KANE.

YES, YES.

THIS IS A LARGE LOT HERE.

14,000 SQUARE FEET.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SUBDIVIDING IT, BUT I DO SHARE THE CONCERN ABOUT THE LIMITED SITE DISTANCE HERE.

AND IF, IF THIS GETS POSTPONED AND COMES BACK AND WHAT I WOULD NEED INFORMATION TO THAT I CAN, CAN RELY ON THAT THIS IS SAFE, YOU KNOW, INGRESS

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EGRESS INTO THIS, YOU KNOW, INTO, AND FROM THIS PROPERTY.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I NEED TO SEE IS WHERE IS THE DRIVEWAY GOING TO BE FOR THIS? I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE DRIVEWAY OF THE CURRENT HOME THAT'S THERE.

SO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON THE SUBDIVISION.

I'M FRANKLY, I'M SURPRISED THAT, THAT, THAT THIS MEETING ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS, IF IT'S MEETING ALL CODE REQUIREMENTS AND THERE'S SOME CODE WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS KIND OF SUBDIVISION BEFORE IT COMES TO US.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO RELY ON THE LITTLE RACY HANDS.

AND IF NOT, IF THERE'S NO RAISING HANDS, OKAY.

IT WAS COMMISSIONER SNIP.

MY HAND HAS BEEN UP SINCE THE BEGINNING, MY BLUE HAND.

SO, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CONDITION LIVES EITHER.

I'VE BEEN AS THE TRANSPORTATION REVIEW AND DEVELOPMENT CIRCLE, THIS HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY TRANSPORTATION STAFF, ASSIGNING IT MEETS ALL CODES AND ORDINANCES.

UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE POSITION THAT TRIED TO TELL STAFF HOW TO DO THEIR JOB OR WHAT THEIR JOB IS.

IF THEY COME TO US WITH A CASE SAYING IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH ME.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO PLAY STAFF ENGINEER.

I DON'T WANT TO PLAY THE REMOVER IN THIS CASE.

I WANT STAFF TO DO THEIR JOB.

THEY'VE DONE IT IN THIS CASE.

THEY'VE TOLD US THERE'S NO VARIANCES THAT, UM, YOU CAN MAKE THIS SUBDIVISION WORK.

THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I SUBDIVISION A OF PROPERTY FOR ONE LOT.

AND THE TWO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A DRIVEWAY, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THOSE ISSUES.

THAT'S SECONDARY.

THAT'LL BE ABOUT THAT, LIKE FOR BUILDING PERMIT PHASE.

AND SO WE'RE GETTING OFF TRACK OF WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT, BUT IF A CONTINUOUS FOR TWO WEEKS, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT COMMISSIONER BURROW RAMIREZ.

AND THEN, UM, OUR VICE CHAIR, BALLOU RAMIREZ, SORRY.

I DO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER SMITH.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT IF STAFF HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND THIS IS IN FACT MEETS ALL OUR CODES, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS THAT NO, WE DO HOLD SOME SORT OF BURDEN TO, UM, THE SAFETY AND THE WELLBEING OF RESIDENTS.

AND MY HOPE IS THAT THE CODE ALSO REINFORCES THAT.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I REALLY JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO HEAR FROM SOMEBODY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO PUT THEIR STAMP ON THIS, THAT IT'S A SAFE, UM, A SAFE OF SITE DISTANCE.

AND, UM, SO I'M KIND OF TORN.

UM, ANYWAY, I KNOW I'M NOT HELPING CAUSE IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, UH, BECAUSE OF MY, I DO BELIEVE IN THE STAFF AND THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, THAT THE SUBJECT SO DIVISION WOULD WORK, BUT, UM, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY WOULD GO.

AND I KNOW WHAT,